From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 11:07:35 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-89.5 required=2.4 tests=AWL,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, SARE_FRAUD_X3,SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD8649060 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SG3Y6s017265 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:03:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:03:36 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0902B" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 84863 Lines: 2277 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:27:33 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Aula_ap=EDcola_g-mail?= Subject: Fw: Concurso internacional de fotograf=?iso-8859-1?Q?=EDa_ap=EDcola?= Comments: To: 07- ADIZ / Die Biene / Imkerfreund MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agust=EDn Arias Mart=EDnez Aula Ap=EDcola Municipal 19200 Azuqueca de Henares Guadalajara aulaapicola@jet.es www.aulaapicolazuqueca.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Aula ap=EDcola g-mail=20 To: 02- Antonio Serra Juan=20 Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Fw: Concurso internacional de fotograf=EDa ap=EDcola Estimados amigos: Ya est=E1n colgadas en nuestra web las bases de la = actual edici=F3n del concurso internacional de fotograf=EDa ap=EDcola = con importantes mejoras sobre la edici=F3n anterior. 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Un cordial saludo Dear friends: The rules of the present edition of the photography = contest, are published on our website, with major improvements of the = previous edition.=20 Thank you all for your participation.=20 Best regards Agust=EDn Arias Mart=EDnez Aula Ap=EDcola Municipal 19200 Azuqueca de Henares Guadalajara aulaapicola@jet.es www.aulaapicolazuqueca.com ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=3Dbee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:09:24 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Robert Brenchley Subject: Re: NYC beekeeping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 31/01/2009 14:31:44 GMT Standard Time, AMorris@UAMAIL.ALBANY.EDU writes: <> Sorry to reply so late, but Cadbury's have a factory a few miles from here. It's too far for my bees, but people with hives nearby have tales of Turkish Delight and other strange honeys! Regards, Robert Brenchley Birmingham UK ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:47:14 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "=?windows-1252?Q?J._Waggle?=" Subject: Re: FW: bees recognizing the beekeeper? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >> I am intrigued by the idea of bees recognizing the beekeeper, as Bob >> suggests. Can someone point me to research that has shown this ? Here is a story of bees recognizing their owner, as well as having a wonderful sense of humor. Marble Rock Journal Thursday, July 14, 1904 Marble Rock, Iowa Wise Bees Turned Joke. No Man Can Tell Why They Did It. But They Let Mr. Know-It-All Escape. Out in Colorado lives a man who takes great delight in the culture of honey bees, and this man owns a great number of hives of the little winged busybodies who so industriously make use of the long, bright summer days in carrying home the nectar which nature stores for them, in the hearts of the posies. Among the hives, however, this Colorado man discovered one, not long ago, which contained a very unruly settlement. Every inhabitant of the particular hive was a rebel, doing his part toward baffling all efforts to remove any portion of the hard-earned goodies; and many a sting was inflicted before the owner finally gave up the job as a bad one, leaving the bees to devour their stores in peace. It happened the other day that neighbor called. This neighbor was one of those well-meaning men who think they know just a little more about everything than does anybody else. Different subjects were discussed, and at last that of bees came up. The neighbor knew all about bees, he said. If there was anything in the world of which he had a great store of knowledge it was bees. The chance at once to take the conceit out of his neighbor and play a first class joke on him was an opportune one, the man thought; and when the prospective victim was not looking he kicked the unruly hive a couple of times in order to stir up the inmates to a proper fighting condition, after which the neighbor was invited to make an examination and, if possible, to remove some of the honey. Accordingly, with a broad grin overspreading his face, the neighbor grasped the hive roughly, severely shaking it, then boldly removed the top, and, without the slightest fear, drew forth several combs of honey. Myriads of angry bees immediately swarmed in the air and— What did they do? Somebody surely was surprised, for the little insects, with their stingers ready, flew over to their owner, who stood at what he considered a safe distance, and soon put him on the run, screaming with pain. Would you believe it, not one of the bees attacked the know-it-all man. And during the week he was compelled to remain indoors recovering from his many wounds, the would-be joker had lots of time to think it over and endeavor to figure out why it was that only he was attacked. He will never know, but perhaps the bees could tell, if given the power of speech.—Ross B. Franklin, in Chicago Record-Herald. Files > 17) Fun Stories - Short Bits-O-Bee-Humor Best Wishes, Joe http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/HistoricalHoneybeeArticles/ ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:23:24 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "=?windows-1252?Q?J._Waggle?=" Subject: Do bees like Van Gogh=?windows-1252?Q?=92s?= Sunflowers? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Do bees like Van Gogh’s Sunflowers? Lars Chittka, Julian Walker Although, most of C. Monet (1840–1926), flower paintings were made years earlier. Monet; an avid painter of flowers, had the lens removed from his right eye in 1923 due to cataract, and would therefore have been able to see UV patterns of flowers. In some cases there was an assumption that the fact that the bees were attracted to the centres of the flowers in Van Gogh’s painting indicated that the artist had ‘‘unwittingly’’ captured some essence of the flower, which rendered the painted flower attractive to bees. Source: http://www.biology.qmul.ac.uk/research/staff/chittka/popular%20scientific% 20articles/ChittkaWalker06.pdf Best Wishes, Joe http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/HistoricalHoneybeeArticles/ ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 14:23:34 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James and Frances Boyd Subject: Re: Do bees like Van Gogh=?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=99s?= Sunflow ers? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am having trouble finding an email services that off= Beth and Estel,=0A=0AI am having trouble finding an email services that off= ers group contact lists greater than 250 and allows quite a bit more than 2= 50 emails a day. I have contacted a friend in the business to help me out.= =0A=0AI do have a good handout on judging honey. I will get it to you.=0A= =0AWEB site updated today - several garage sale changes and Feb. March meet= ings added to calendar.=0AJim,=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________________= __=0AFrom: J. Waggle =0ATo: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu= =0ASent: Sunday, February 8, 2009 8:23:24 AM=0ASubject: [BEE-L] Do bees lik= e Van Gogh=E2=80=99s Sunflowers?=0A=0ADo bees like Van Gogh=E2=80=99s Sunfl= owers?=0ALars Chittka, Julian Walker=0A=0A=0AAlthough, most of C. Monet (18= 40=E2=80=931926), flower paintings =0Awere made years earlier.=C2=A0 Monet;= an avid painter of flowers, =0Ahad the lens removed from his right eye in = 1923 due to=0Acataract, and would therefore have been able to see UV=0Apatt= erns of flowers.=0A=0AIn some cases there was=0Aan assumption that the fact= that the bees were attracted=0Ato the centres of the flowers in Van Gogh= =E2=80=99s painting=0Aindicated that the artist had =E2=80=98=E2=80=98unwit= tingly=E2=80=99=E2=80=99 captured=0Asome essence of the flower, which rende= red the painted=0Aflower attractive to bees.=0A=0ASource:=0Ahttp://www.biol= ogy.qmul.ac.uk/research/staff/chittka/popular%20scientific%=0A20articles/Ch= ittkaWalker06.pdf=0A=0ABest Wishes,=0AJoe=0Ahttp://pets.groups.yahoo.com/gr= oup/HistoricalHoneybeeArticles/=0A=0A**************************************= *****************=0A* Search the BEE-L archives at:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 *=0A* http://listserv.= albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=3Dbee-l *=0A*********************************= **********************=0A ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=3Dbee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:10:41 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter L Borst Subject: Effect of Negative Criticism on Research MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings At times I have been taken to task for being overly critical of non-mainstream theories and unconventional approaches. (As an aside, I am also quite critical of the mainstream and conventional.) I recently read of a study of the effects of blessing food on the persons whom eat it. The author points out that harsh criticism can have effect negative results upon ongoing inquiry. He further contends that successful experiments may actually be harmed retroactively by subsequent negative critiquing. To wit: > Although it is necessary to maintain a skeptical stance in science, persons holding explicitly negative expectations should not be allowed to participate for the same reason that dirty test tubes are not allowed in biology experiments; if one is testing the role of intention, then vigilance is required about the intention of all individuals involved in the test. This would extend to people who are aware of the experiment but are not otherwise involved; it may even extend to people who learn about the experiment in the future after the study is completed. Given theoretical support and experimental evidence for retrocausal effects, replication of intentional phenomena may be inherently limited because once conducted and published, an experiment might be influenced by a potentially infinite number of future intentions ... 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The receipe I have used for years calls for corn syrup but it is no longer easy to get that in 60 pound pails around here. I am looking for a receipe using 100% granulated sugar. Lloyd ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:42:38 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Candy Boards In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lloyd said: The receipe I have > used for years calls for corn syrup but it is no longer easy to get that > in > 60 pound pails around here. I am looking for a receipe using 100% > granulated sugar. I used my "phone a friend" and he said to make up a pail of sucrose like you want to use and then use the same recipe. Bobby Whirlycamp from Randolf, Nebraska has a large cooker he uses to make candy boards and he dumps whole drums of granulated sugar in the cooker and then adds the remaining water however I have never seen the cooker working only had its use described to me. You could probabbly call information and get his phone number and ask. Bobby removes his honey crop from 2000 hives in the fall and then extracts all winter. Only beek from our area I ever saw extract in dead of winter. One year a friend and I went to see Bobby at his operation in heavy coveralls. When we stepped inside (outside temp around 10F) Bobby was extracting honey. We did not stay long as the temp inside was around 90F. I own a 50 gallon 3 phase steam kettle which would make candy boards fast and all you would need is to place enough water in first to keep the sugar from burning. I would not think the consistency would need to be exact as long as in the middle between too soft and too hard. I am not far enough north in my opinion to need candy boards on *all* hives but some to prevent starving at times would be useful. We fed all hives needing feed this week when temps were 70F. which removed any chance of hives starving now. We are trying to get Missouri hives cranked up for pollination and splitting and liquid sucrose does a better job than a candy board as incoming syrup acts to a degree like a small flow. We had mostly 8 frame strong hives which were not needed in California for almonds. Most of those sent graded 8 frames when the contract was for a 5 frame average. The grower reaped the rewards. You never know what bees coming out of winter in January will look like. I have heard of no problems so far. I was worried after I read the CCD article in the bee magazine.(Feb Bee Culture). However if you look at page 150 of the February American Bee Journal you will see a a testimonial from commercial beekeeper Dale Rye blaming the neonicotinoids for 2000 dead hives this season. Dale does not call his pesticide kill CCD. Dale does blame Bayer in the article. Many of us hope in the near future Bayer will have to prove their product did not kill our bees rather than now beeks having to prove their product did! bob ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:52:55 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Candy Boards In-Reply-To: <200902101522.n1ACx8Ui017223@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I happen to have this in my inbox. I've never mede either myself. RECIPES!! Stovetop Candy Recipe 1. Heat one pint (1/2 liter) of water to boiling in a large pot on stove. 2. Stir in as much sugar as can be dissolved. This will be about 5 pounds (2 Kg). More sugar is better. 3. Boil, uncovered, stirring almost constantly until the mixture reaches 234 degrees F. It takes awhile. 4. Pour into molds made of cardboard or a container lined with waxed paper or butcher paper. The candy will harden as it cools. Basically, any peanut brittle recipe can be adapted to make bee candy. DO NOT USE BUTTER IN THE RECIPE IF YOU USE A BRITTLE RECIPE THAT YOU ARE ADAPTING! Something a bit more Fudgy Like in the consistency!! Having printed and studied all the bee candy references in the archives, we decided to attempt to take a fudgy or fondant-like candy. We did not wish to use corn syrup as we have some question about all corn syrup processes being good for bees. We did not wish to include cream of tartar for similar reasons. We began with the "12345" formula, using a small amount of vinegar (volatilized in process) to break down the sugar. We found the 1:5 water to sugar ratio too quick for the response of our thermometer in small batches, and backed off to 1:4, which doesn't change the end result, but slows the process. Our first pour, on a greased metal sheet, yielded a suitably friable cake but one too brittle for easy handling. Cooling the sheet with snow worsened the brittleness. Pouring onto wax paper on a towel gave a nice cake, but too thin. Cooling to 200F prior to pouring increased cake thickness. In conclusion, to obtain satisfactory cakes we: 1. Use 1 part water to 4 parts granulated sugar. 2. Add 1/4 tsp. per vinegar per pound of sugar. 3. Bring to boil, stirring constantly until boiling commences. 4. Boil without stirring for 3 minutes, covered. 5. Insert thermometer, and boil uncovered until 234F is reached. 6. Remove from heat, and allow to cool to 200F. 7. Whip with whisk until whiteness occurs. 8. Pour (QUICKLY!) onto waxed paper having a towel beneath. 9. Allow to cool undisturbed. 10. Remove waxed paper, and store each cake in a plastic bag. The cakes thus made can be handled as plates, but are fudgy. They are totally white with whiter areas inside. Tiny crystals shine from a broken edge of a cake. The waxed paper is readily removed before storage. If the towel is fluffy the wax paper depresses limiting the width of the cake. We did try to make the candy without stirring which yielded a transparent gel that was extremely sticky. We did try to recycle our earlier failures, but they were crumbly until we added vinegar again, after which they behaved as new sugar. The bees seem to like these cakes. ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:13:37 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Ralph Harrison Subject: CT Beekeepers Association Bee School MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Connecticut Beekeepers Association on Saturday, February 14, 2009 will have a one day "bee school" to be held at: CT Ag Exp Station Jones Auditorium 123 Huntington St. New Haven, CT For more information and agenda please see _www.ctbees.com_ (http://www.ctbees.com) **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:59:20 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Brian Ames Subject: Re: Candy Boards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:42:38 -0600, Bob Harrison wrote: >Many of us hope in the near future Bayer will have to prove their product >did not kill our bees rather than now beeks having to prove their product >did! > Some of us also wonder what correlation exists between shops rag fragments found in hives and hive losses....... ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:20:13 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: HFCS (was candy Boards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Harrison" To: "Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology" Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:15 PM Subject: HFCS (was candy Boards >> We did not > wish to use corn syrup as we have some question about all corn syrup > processes being good for bees. > > Wise choice! Commercial beekeepers started to have problems after feeding > HFCS a few years ago which prompted the HFCS research done at Weslaco Bee > lab and described by me in an ABJ article. > > Just when we thought we might be getting close to finding out what was > different now ( as many of us had fed HFCS for decades) the Weslaco > research > plug was pulled and the HFCS research was sent to Tucson Bee lab. I > pressed > the lab to see if the lab had found a problem. The labs > email said they would be announcing a very interesting finding before > long. > That was eight months ago and silence. > > One has to remember that HFCS is in many many foods and drinks and its use > as a bee feed is small compared. Releasing mercury findings to beeks would > have caused a media stir as people consume the most HFCS. > > Then a friend called a few beeks ago and said to turn on the news. Guess > what? Mercury found in HFCS. Then we find out the industry was selling > HFCS > with mercury in the product at the same time we were having problems. The > new story said the corn industry was told to eliminate all mercury from > its > process back in 2005 but guess what mercury is still being found. > > Now I do not know the Mercury levels or if the level is really a serious > health concern for people but even very small amounts could possibly > effect > bees especially with "feed lot" type feeding practices. > > > > bob > > ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:54:52 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: John & Christy Horton Subject: Poem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of our members in our local club sent out this poem.Know others have sent in works about bees to BEE-L. Enjoy John By Antonio Machado, translated by Robert Bly Last Night as I was Sleeping Last night, as I was sleeping, I dreamt -- marvelous error!- that a spring was breaking out in my heart. I said: Along which secret aqueduct, Oh water, are you coming to me, water of a new life that I have never drunk? Last night, as I was sleeping, I dreamt -- marvelous error!- that I had a beehive here inside my heart. And the golden bees were making white combs and sweet honey from my old failures. Last night, as I was sleeping, I dreamt -- marvelous error!- that a fiery sun was giving light inside my heart. It was fiery because I felt warmth as from a hearth, and sun because it gave light and brought tears to my eyes. Last night, as I slept, I dreamt -- marvelous error!- that it was God I had here inside my heart "Bendida Illusion" is translated to 'marvelous error' I like "blessed illusion" better. ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:33:23 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Mike S Subject: Re: Russian bees in southern U.S. In-Reply-To: <3dcef4a10807230915o756d4bc3g86198f1c6393f717@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I live about 90 miles north of Mobile, Alabama.=A0 I am seriously consideri= ng establishing one or two yards of hives headed by Russian queens.=A0 I ha= ve had some Russian queens in the past but did not keep really accurate rec= ords on productivity.=A0=A0 My question is:=A0 Has anyone in this type clim= ate (Region 8 in gardening maps) run Russian colonies and how have they bee= n as honey producers?=A0 As compared against hives headed by Italian queens= ? Mike in LA=A0 (Lower Alabama) =0A=0A=0A ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=3Dbee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:41:52 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Charles Harper Subject: Re: Russian bees in southern U.S. In-Reply-To: <16274.65607.qm@web53406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live about 60 miles from the Gulf of Mexico, Lafayette, LA when I had some Italian colonies the Russians out performed the Italian colonies by about 30# average on 100 colonies each. only 10% of the Italian colonies were around the next spring 90% of the Russian colonies were there the next spring NO chemicals were used on the Russian colonies the Italian colonies received a fall treatment. For a list of Russian Breeders go to www.russianbreeder.org Harper's Honey Farm Charles Harper charlie@russianbreeder.org labeeman@russianbreeder.com (337) 298 6261 ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:15:47 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: BillSF9c - Bill Smythe Subject: Re: BEE-L Candy Boards In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed You might try a candy thermometer. Water cannot exceed 212F / 100C at atmospheric pressure. (Sea level... ~ 14.7 psi.) Rigidity of your product will be due to sugar content. Temperature will advise you of that via soft ball or hard ball stage. I additionally use cold water-drop testing. The stages come up a little suddenly, as noticed. A thermometer will help you see the approach speed. You want to exceed syrup, but fall shy of peanut brittle, temperature wise. See also, "taffy." BillSF9c ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:11:25 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Russian bees in southern U.S. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mike, Think Russian caucasian bees, as this is originally what early Russian bees were brought in, i.e. Bolling Bee with Bill Gafford. Also, Gulf Port States and all Southern States would be equivalent transition zone/climatic zone for them. Dee A. Lusby ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:16:18 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Paul Oliphant Subject: Africanized bees found in Southern Utah MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Article today in the Deseret News, Salt Lake City, about Africanized bees found in South-West Utah. "Washington County Commissioner Alan Gardner said Africanized honeybees were discovered in seven traps near St. George and Kanab." "We figured it was an eventuality that was going to come to pass," Washington County Emergency Services director Dean Cox told the Deseret News. http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705284337,00.html?pg=1 - Paul Oliphant ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:36:53 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter L Borst Subject: Re: Russian bees in southern U.S. Comments: To: Dee Lusby Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not Caucasian. Recently discussed. See archives Item #67269 (14 Nov 2008 18:30) - Re: Caucasian bees ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:12:45 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Russian bees in southern U.S. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually Ruttner said the Primorsky bees were predominately A.m. macedonica ( Ruttner 1988) when he was asked by the USDA-ARS at the time of the first import.( published in ABJ at the time) Many have tried to label the Primorsky bees as both caucs and carniolans. I have used over 400 Russian/Russian queens since the start and although the bees have some redeeming qualities none are even close to the prolific Italian bees I keep or even come close in honey production. None have ever wintered in a cluster big enough to sell into almond pollination. That said I think the Russian bee is an excellent bee for those beekeepers which do not want to use treatments on their bees and are content with the smaller winter clusters. Also those not worried about not getting maximum honey production. Supercedure was bad with the Russian/Russian queens I received from the Russian queen breeder program last year but the bees wintered ok. Russian queens on 3 frames and Italian queens on 9 frames of bees . Italians triple the amount of brood right now. Despite what many Russian and carniolan keepers might say the *gap* is too wide for the explosion which those keepers say will happen and those races will overtake and pass the Italians .Toss a pollen patty or a gallon of syrup on an Italian hive and the Italians will convert into bees. I always keep carniolans around and am content with their production. Super less per hive on average. Especially when drawing comb honey. Beautiful white comb. People say you can not teach an old dog new tricks. I say in bees the Russian bee is a hard bee to teach new ways. many times the Russian bee will turn its nose up at both pollen patties and syrup. I am grateful for the Russian import and those beekeepers like Charlie which have kept the program alive. Others on BEE-L might have far different observations than mine on the Russian bee. bob ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:48:06 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter L Borst Subject: Caucasian Bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit As has been pointed out before, the Primorksi bees are not predominantly Caucasian bees. Furthermore, Caucasian bees are not Russian bees either -- not if you ask anyone who lives there. Caucasian Bee http://www.floretlab.ge/georgianbee.html > The bee species known in apiculture as the Caucasian Bee is the same as the Georgian Bee and it is unfair that the world knows it as the Caucasian Bee. The fact is that exploration of bee species in Caucasus and their denomination basically took place in times when Georgia was a part of Caucasus under the Russian Empire. This was the reason the species were denominated as Caucasian instead of Georgian Bee. > In September and October on the black sea coast Bees continue to collect flower nectar and pollen, while in the mountains bee-gardens are already prepared for winter. Abundance of alpine honey-bearing plants with deeply sunk nectaries, a long rainy period in spring and drought in summer, ample precipitation, frequent winds, low temperature at night, wet and long winter the mountainous regions - these are rather variable climatic conditions in which the species of grey mountainous Georgian bees [The country of Georgia lies between lat 42 and 43; it has a large body of water to the west; this compares closely with the states of Oregon, Michigan and NY in the US] ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:59:49 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Brian Ames Subject: Re: Russian bees in southern U.S. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm in the final stages in 2009 of switching my more remote yards over to all russian. these yards have no other beekeepers near by so I have a good chance of keeping the genetics intact. Half my operation will be russian then. in spring of 2008 I had over wintered singles of russians that were made up the previous spring as nucs, those hives exploded into a box and a half, during a spring that never really felt like spring. i took 2-3 deep frames of brood out of each in late may to make up nucs for 2009 and they still got swarmy. If the honey production is lower its been hard to tell. I got an average 4-5 supers off them last summer. I've not kept bees as long as some, but in my 15 yrs I've never seen a strain of bees over winter on so little honey and have so little winter losses. Those singles turn up in April with the 2 outside frames packed with honey yet. They spend the whole winter on the inner 5 frames. The drive by inspection I did last weekend during a warm spell shows preliminary numbers to look like 1 or 2 in 50 Russians hives lost so far. As others have pointed out, I think the best result with these bees is to keep them isolated from other bees to keep the genetics pure. Every thing I have heard and read says Russian hybrids lose the characteristics that make them so special. And the Russians do seem eager to replace their queens as opposed to Italians. For northern stationary operations this bee is ideal IMO. I save money by not treating or feeding much. No FB treatments, no varroa treatments, no nosema treatments either and still no real losses. You can run less brood equipment also if over wintering - more savings. A single deep or deep and a medium is adequate honey stores for over wintering. WIth high fuels costs like in 2008, this strain of bee can deliver a real advantage to the bottom line by cutting down on trips to the yard. Sure the Italians can bring some cash for pollination in CA, but what is the overall cost of the average high losses, multiple feed and treatment bills and all that extra labor? Sounds like a lot of work and risk. My final thought is this is not a bee you buy a dozen russian queens of and requeen some non russian hives and then try and run a comparison in an area thats full of other bees. ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:38:56 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter L Borst Subject: 10 years of research on CCD in Spain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This from a Spanish news source, translated by me http://www.agrodigital.com/PlArtStd.asp?CodArt=62098 13/2/2009 10 years of research on CCD The Research Group for Applied Separation and Analysis Techniques (TESE), part of Cinquima College (Center for Innovation in Chemistry and Advanced Materials) in Valladolid, Spain, has spent nearly a decade working with the Regional Apiculture Center (RAC) of Marchamalo in Guadalajara, in the study of "colony collapse disorder", a phenomenon that has caused millions of honeybees to disappear worldwide. The causes of this disorder were not clear until the year 2003, when this group of researchers sounded the alarm by pointing to the microsporidan Nosema ceranae as the causative agent of the hives which were practically empty despite having sufficient pollen and honey to survive. In addition to Europe and America, the disorder has spread to other parts of the world and Nosema ceranae cases have already appeared in countries such as Australia and Tasmania. Since the discovery of this microsporidan behind the disorder, the group coordinated by Dr Jose Luis Bernal has worked mainly in the study of a remedy to combat it. They have designed an effective treatment based on an antibiotic, fumagillin. Specifically, investigations are focusing on studying the stability of the compound, the degradation products left in honey, and the appropriate amount and frequency of administration of the product to be effective and not leave residues. The antibiotic was initially tested with powdered sugar, but it was found that, while in the laboratory was effective, "the hives went bad." And finally, after both laboratory and field tests, it was determined that the most suitable method is administration of the drug mixed in syrup. "We have established the appropriate dose and frequency, that revitalizes the hives and they are producing honey more than before," says Bernal. In parallel, the group intends to continue studies and to seek alternatives to avoid resistance to antibiotics, because with this treatment, the hives usually recover after a few weeks. Given the seriousness of the problem in the case of Spain, for example, where about 50% of hives have disappeared mainly due to this cause, there have been postulated very varied scientific hypothesis at an international level. The most widely attributed cause of the emergence of CCD is the use of certain pesticides. This has led the group coordinated by José Luis Bernal to develop a methodology for the analysis of these compounds and apply it to samples of honey and pollen to demonstrate that this was NOT the main reason since in the majority of cases residue levels are well below the detection limit of the most sensitive analytical techniques currently in use. Although even in 1999 they began to detect weakness and subsequent death of the hives, it was in 2004 when the major outbreak of the disorder occurred. At that point, the Guadalajara Regional Center of Apiculture began receiving an annual average of over 3,000 samples, which were added they began to send researchers from other countries. It was then that they began to check into the loss of bees without appearance of dead ones around the hives, the non-replacement of the queen, who was left with few bees despite having stored food. With systematic study, Nosema ceranae was found. ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:22:24 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Diana, ML" Subject: Re: Poem In-Reply-To: <002d01c98c58$b32aff40$8fbb4d0c@greenbripi7wfd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:54 AM, John & Christy Horton < johnhort@bellsouth.net> wrote: > One of our members in our local club sent out this poem.Know others have > sent in works about bees to BEE-L. Enjoy > John > > By Antonio Machado, translated by Robert Bly > Last Night as I was Sleeping Can the un-translated poem be posted? I can read Spanish and the poem will make better sense un-translated. Thank you , Diana ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:59:40 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Juanse Barros Subject: Re: almond update In-Reply-To: <3dcef4a10902042019k50145a77wcfcb4d7adeb953ad@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, that is my bet. Only the 5th of January /May there was much water here (first 12 days of year are the month of that year weather wise). What about temperature? Was it warmer also? Juanse On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:19 AM, randy oliver wrote: > Report from California > > Buds on the almonds popping suddenly--Nonpariel (main variety) already > opening up in North Valley! This is about 10 days early. Bloom starting > before all colonies are even placed. > Not swelling much yet in Modesto area. > > For those of you following weather patterns (Juanse), in Northern Calif, > only 1/3 of normal rainfall in January. > > Randy Oliver > > ******************************************************* > * Search the BEE-L archives at: * > * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * > ******************************************************* > -- Juanse Barros J. APIZUR S.A. Carrera 695 Gorbea - CHILE +56-45-271693 08-3613310 http://apiaraucania.blogspot.com/ juanseapi@gmail.com ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:00:28 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Juanse Barros Subject: Re: almond update In-Reply-To: <7eb65cc10902122159r3395e47bp3e23bb8dc680fcac@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, that is my bet. Only the 5th of January /May there was much water here (first 12 days of year are the month of that year weather wise). What about temperature? Was it warmer also? -- Juanse Barros J. APIZUR S.A. Carrera 695 Gorbea - CHILE +56-45-271693 08-3613310 http://apiaraucania.blogspot.com/ juanseapi@gmail.com ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:45:47 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Russian bees in southern U.S. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >The drive by inspection I did last weekend during a warm spell shows >preliminary numbers to look like 1 or 2 in 50 Russians hives lost so far. Drive by inspection? I thought i had heard most beekeeping terminology. Are you sure the beekeeper lurking on the next farms Italian bees were not simply robbing your Russian hives out? ( kidding Brian!) In California almonds I have been *told* some beeks in the old days would simply place the dead out in the grove with a frame of honey and the other bees robbing would really impress the *drive by* almond grower checking his hives. >As others have pointed out, I think the best result with these bees is to >keep them isolated from other bees to keep the genetics pure. You need in my opinion to keep the Russian as pure as possible to not use varroa treatments. I found most needed a treatment after a couple years but I never saw any PMS in Russian bees. The Russian best quality in my opinion is in requeening after swarming. Close to 100% in my observations ( in archives). I NEVER kept Russian bees in yards with Italians as then varroa loads would climb in the Russian hives. Not sure why. > Every thing I have heard and read says Russian hybrids lose the characteristics that make them so special. What I have observed plus hybrids can posses characteristics you may not care for. In such cases I recommend a hive tool to her as the best solution. I am not sure what you have been told but : > No FB treatments The Russian bee is not immune to foulbrood. Firsthand experience , no varroa treatments, Seems to go farther than any other race without treatment but when cranked up like commercial migratory beeks do varroa loads climb to levels needing treatment. Exactly what the Adees and Browns found when they tried the Russian bees. no nosema treatments either and still no real losses. Nosema ceranae effects all races. I have fought N.C. in yards of Russian/Russian bees. >Sure the Italians can bring some cash for pollination in CA, but what is >the overall cost of the average high losses, multiple feed and treatment bills and all that extra labor? Sounds like a lot of work and risk. Newsflash: Even with the high price being paid today for bulk honey the big money is in pollination. If you go to your banker with a bunch of signed pollination contracts you can always get money if needed. Bankers are not impressed by stories of the big honey crop you expect to get. Good luck with your Russian/Russian bees Brian! The Russian bee is a low maintenance bee for sure and perhaps the best bee for your operation. bob ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:35:43 +1100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Geoff Manning Subject: Re: 10 years of research on CCD in Spain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter L Borst" > In addition to Europe and America, the disorder has spread to other > parts of the world and Nosema ceranae cases have already appeared in > countries such as Australia and Tasmania. Congratulations, you have just managed to offend every living, dead and those in between, Tasmanian Australians. Only mainland Australians can make comments like that, and then only if they have on their running shoes, and have a considerable head start. So be warned. Or will you blame the Spaniards? Although N ceranae has been found there is no evidence as far as I know of any particular problems ensuing. Maybe it is in the future. Nosema has pretty well always been regarded as a stress induced problem. Great care being needed when we work winter flows. I feel that we have benefited by the banning of repellents when removing honey. Geoff Manning ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:51:53 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter L Borst Subject: Re: 10 years of research on CCD in Spain Comments: To: Geoff Manning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Geoff Manning wrote: >Congratulations, you have just managed to offend every living, dead and those in between, Tasmanian Australians. Yikes! I've got a truckload of apologizing to do! While it is true that I quoted the Spanish article correctly, I should certainly have known better than to refer to Tasmania as a country > ya han aparecido casos de Nosema ceranae en países como Australia o Tasmania [sic]. ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:34:52 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter L Borst Subject: Re: Poem Comments: To: Diana Vara Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Diana wrote: >Can the un-translated poem be posted? I can read Spanish and the poem will >make better sense un-translated. Anoche cuando dormía Anoche cuando dormía soñé, ¡bendita ilusión!, que una fontana fluía dentro de mi corazón. Di, ¿por qué acequia escondida, agua, vienes hasta mí, manantial de nueva vida de donde nunca bebí? Anoche cuando dormía soñé, ¡bendita ilusión!, que una colmena tenía dentro de mi corazón; y las doradas abejas iban fabricando en él, con las amarguras viejas blanca cera y dulce miel. Anoche cuando dormía soñé, ¡bendita ilusión!, que un ardiente sol lucía dentro de mi corazón. Era ardiente porque daba calores de rojo hogar, y era sol porque alumbraba y porque hacía llorar. Anoche cuando dormía soñé, ¡bendita ilusión!, que era Dios lo que tenía dentro de mi corazón. Antonio Machado ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:45:25 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Mea McNeil Subject: Re: Poem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Peter is right that the original Spanish is beautiful. For those of us who are a little lean on the high school Spanish, Robert Bly did quite a good job of translating, below. He translated a book of Machado poems and has a body of fine work of his own. Mea Last night, as I was sleeping, I dreamt -- marvelous error!— that a spring was breaking out in my heart. I said: Along which secret aqueduct, Oh water, are you coming to me, water of a new life that I have never drunk? Last night, as I was sleeping, I dreamt -- marvelous error!— that I had a beehive here inside my heart. And the golden bees were making white combs and sweet honey from my old failures. Last night, as I was sleeping, I dreamt -- marvelous error!— that a fiery sun was giving light inside my heart. It was fiery because I felt warmth as from a hearth, and sun because it gave light and brought tears to my eyes. Last night, as I slept, I dreamt -- marvelous error!— that it was God I had here inside my heart. Peter L Borst wrote: > Diana wrote: >> Can the un-translated poem be posted? I can read Spanish and the poem will >> make better sense un-translated. > > Anoche cuando dormía > > Anoche cuando dormía > soñé, ¡bendita ilusión!, > que una fontana fluía > dentro de mi corazón. > Di, ¿por qué acequia escondida, > agua, vienes hasta mí, > manantial de nueva vida > de donde nunca bebí? > > Anoche cuando dormía > soñé, ¡bendita ilusión!, > que una colmena tenía > dentro de mi corazón; > y las doradas abejas > iban fabricando en él, > con las amarguras viejas > blanca cera y dulce miel. > > Anoche cuando dormía > soñé, ¡bendita ilusión!, > que un ardiente sol lucía > dentro de mi corazón. > Era ardiente porque daba > calores de rojo hogar, > y era sol porque alumbraba > y porque hacía llorar. > > Anoche cuando dormía > soñé, ¡bendita ilusión!, > que era Dios lo que tenía > dentro de mi corazón. > > Antonio Machado > > ******************************************************* > * Search the BEE-L archives at: * > * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * > ******************************************************* > ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:53:32 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter L Borst Subject: Wolbachia bacteria MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > The Cape honeybee Apis mellifera capensis in South Africa is unique in that, under queenless conditions, workers lay unfertilized eggs that typically develop into diploid females. In all other subspecies of Apis mellifera only males are produced from worker-laid eggs. This has allowed Cape workers to be successful parasites of other honeybee subspecies, notably the neighboring Savanna honeybee (A. m. scutellata). Thelytoky in the Cape honeybee has been shown to be genetically determined by a single recessive allele. These results notwithstanding, there remains the possibility that endosymbiotic bacteria such as Wolbachia could be involved in thelytokous parthenogenesis in Cape honeybees. Multiple Wolbachia strains in Apis mellifera capensis from South Africa. Apidologie (2009) www.apidologie.org Notes: > Wolbachia is a genus of inherited bacteria which infects arthropod species, including a high proportion of insects. It is one of the world's most common parasitic microbes and is potentially the most common reproductive parasite in the biosphere. Wolbachia is notable for significantly altering the reproductive capabilities of its hosts. These bacteria can infect many different types of organs, but are most notable for the infections of the testes and ovaries of their hosts. Some scientists have suggested that parthenogenesis may always be attributable to the effects of Wolbachia. ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:38:51 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Gotham City Beekeepers Organization: Gotham City Beekeepers Cooperative Subject: Re: NYC beekeeping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I recently got to thinking about the source of nectar > in NYC and it occurred to me that maybe the bulk of > the sugar might come from spilled soft drinks and > sweet stuff in dumpsters. There are a surprising number of trees in Manhattan and the outer boroughs. Better still, when decorative flowering plants stop blooming, they are ripped out and replaced with flowers that are in bloom, thus extending the bloom for the colonies lucky enough to live here. Given the combined experience of Chicago, Paris, and other urban areas with high-profile beekeeping, it is fairly easy to dismiss the assumption that bees are collecting anything from dumpsters. We'll put our honey up against anyone's. There's even a study of unknown quality from 2006 claiming that urban bees in France were healthier than rural bees. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4621184.stm I'd agree, given that city gardens go "organic" in terms of pesticides with ease, and larger urban centers are well off the migratory routes that might re-introduced varroa and other diseases over and over. Some support for the bill currently before the NYC City Council to "legalize" beekeeping would be appreciated. The links are on this page: http://GothamCityBees.com ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:24:21 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: Re: NYC beekeeping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When did New York drop its beekeeping ordinance? Years ago, I used to point to NY City and Seattle as urban cities, like Paris, where beekeeping was allowed and regulated. In Seattle, there were limits on numbers of colonies on a city lot, requirements to place bees so that people walking by didn't intersect the flight path --- high fence, bees on rooftops or decks, etc. Jerry **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000002) ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:11:47 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: randy oliver Subject: Re: HFCS (was candy Boards In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bob, Tucson lab is currently testing HFCS for mercury. In general, they found HFCS to be variable, especially in pH. Low pH, plus heat, in an iron tank leads to rapid HMF formation, and can cause bee toxicity. Further studies have been confounded by the loss of their chemist, and by problems with greenhouse studies due to lack of a pollen supplement that will sustain more than two brood cycles. They are currently looking at the complex sugars in HFCS, but may be limited by funding. Randy Oliver ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:46:20 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: HFCS (was candy Boards In-Reply-To: <3dcef4a10902132311g34dac380x9249b72c46a5a149@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Tucson lab is currently testing HFCS for mercury. Thanks! I figured as much after the story on CNN. Did the lab tell you before the CCN report or after the CNN report they had found Mercury in HFCS? I used HFCS from the start and never had any issues. I stored for periods in drums. Bought and was given off spec and never had issues. Was never very carefully about heating. Then we started seeing problems when feeding HFCS. ( 2003-2006) After speaking with the Weslaco lab we switched to sucrose and the bees improved right away. I have never even wanted to go back although would save money on feed costs. When we approached the suppliers about our problems they recommended checking temps when tankers arrived and suggested our handling was the problem. Sound familiar? They said they would look into the issue and get back with us. Our phone never rang. The time we were having the most issues was when the FDA ( quietly) told the HFCS industry to get the mercury out of its product. According to the CNN report mercury is still being found. My guess is not at the levels back in 2005. Mercury is a serious issue for humans but I do not know of any research on the effects of Mercury on Honeybees. Maybe the FDA will recommend only ingesting a quart of food with Mercury laced HFCS a week as a solution to the problem. A better solution would be to pull HFCS and replace with honey. bob ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:16:12 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "J. Waggle" Subject: Wind Storm, Winter Check In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I arranged time to visit the bee yards after a strong front moved through the area with winds gusts recorded near 90 mph. I was surprised, given the lower than normal nectar flow last season, that I didn’t here more on the lists about wind toppled hives. I checked 2 yards at the foot of the ridge, which for some reason, -perhaps due to the terrain, winds can get particularly strong throughout the year. It can be a calm day in the ridge where I live, but windy as heck in this valley, so use of wind breaks are essential here, but still not of much help during violent winds. I had about 8 hives blown over and a few more roofs blown off. It was cold and windy when I checked the hives, so I didn’t move any combs -only to replace wind scattered combs into the hives. I didn’t have my bee gear with me, so setting up the hives that seemed to be without bees and minus roofs innercovers and bottoms went without incident. Only when I laid my ear directly on the top bars and knocked on the side was I greeted with wonderful smell of alarm odor, as well as the voices from the family of bees. I proceeded to do the same to the other hives, and was greeted more intensely by some bee families than others, and some were kind enought to see that I hurried along, and made it back to the truck in a timely manner. So far, I am very happy with how the bees wintering is going. As a rule, if the bees make it till the upswing of the season, -when morality seems to increase within the bee family, -which is seems to me, starts about the time the STEELERS win the Superbowl, -they will make it till spring. In years in which the STEELERS fail to make it to the superbowl, the upswing day is marked by Groundhogs day, which falls on the 2nd. of Feb. Best Wishes, Joe ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:14:42 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: John & Christy Horton Subject: HFCS (was candy Boards-add pollen supplement ? for Randy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy wrote: > Further studies have been confounded .........., . by > problems with greenhouse studies due to lack of a pollen supplement that > will sustain more than two brood cycles. Whoooa man....I sure would like to hear more elaboration on the above Randy Thanks John Horton ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 14:04:35 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "=?windows-1252?Q?J._Waggle?=" Subject: Valentines Day Bee Stories Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >From the pages of bee history, three of my most favorite Valentines Day Bee Stories: =====1===== >From the book, Myths of Old Greece By William Adams, 1900 Cupid and the Bee. Cupid once upon a bed Of roses laid his weary head; Luckless urchin, not to see Within the leaves a slumbering bee! The bee awak'd—with anger wild The bee awak'd, and stung the child. Loud and piteous are his cries; To Venus quick he runs, he flies; "Oh mother!—I am wounded through— I die with pain—in sooth I do! Stung by some little angry thing, Some serpent on a tiny wing— A bee it was—for once, I know I heard a rustic call it so." Thus he spoke, and she the while Heard him with a soothing smile; Then said, "My infant, if so much Thou feel the little wild-bee's touch, How must the heart, ah, Cupid! be, The hapless heart that's stung by thee!" -Thomas Moore. =====2===== Alton Telegraph Saturday, January 29, 1842 Alton, Illinois Married —at Geneva, Vt., Mr. J. D. Bee, to Miss Martha Ann Flower. Well hath this little busy bee, Improved life's shining hour. He gathers honey now all day, >From one sweet chosen flower. And from this match, if Heaven please, He'll raise a swarm of little bees. =====3===== Hagerstown Mail Friday, December 29, 1837 Hagers-Town, Maryland Strange Incident. -A young lady in Missouri was sleeping one morning in her bed, when a bee, more industrious than she, came buzzing into her room in quest of honey. Spying her ruby lips, it alighted, no doubt mistaking them for a rose. The buzzing of his little wings awoke the fair one, who in an instant struck the honey searching insect with her hand, and received in return a sting on her lip. She went with her swollen lip to a young man who happened to be near, and begged him to extract the sting. He set his head to work to devise a plan to effect her purpose; and finally concluded that the only way was, to suck it out! He proposed the plan -she agreed -the sting was extracted; but it seems it went to the young man's heart, for he kept trying to extract bee stings from her lips, till they were summoned by old Cupid to, appear at Hymen's holy altar! -Tennessee paper Best Wishes, Joe http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/HistoricalHoneybeeArticles/ ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:38:09 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: David MacFawn Subject: Re: HFCS (was candy Boards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use corn syrup in small quantities off the grocery shelf to mix with pollen substitute flour for patties. Does the mercury contamination apply to what is in grocery stores? corn syrup (HFCS) keeps the patties moist which results in the bees taking up the patties (the patties do not get hard with the HFCS) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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I'll have to see if they've replaced their chemist, with whom I had a good working relationship : ( Since I'm posting, I'll give you a weather update from Calif. We were experiencing what looked to be the worst drought on the record, and were praying for what the water managers dubbed a "fabulous February" or "marvelous March." Looks like we're getting the former! We've been hit with several cold, wet weather systems since the almond buds started to swell. Stopped the bloom in its tracks. I'm in the foothills under 18" of snow at 22F last night, following temperatures in the mid 70's before bloom! This sort of shock is obviously a challenge to colonies that had begun to brood up well (the temperatures are much milder down on the valley floor). The good news for the growers is that they may get some water; the bad news is that they may not get good flight weather during bloom. Randy Oliver ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:45:28 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: randy oliver Subject: Re: HFCS (was candy Boards-add pollen supplement ? for Randy In-Reply-To: <001101c98ed0$1ce9dcc0$d2bb4d0c@greenbripi7wfd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >Whoooa man....I sure would like to hear more elaboration on the above > Randy Hi John, I was just checking to see if anyone was paying attention : ) We're in the middle of snowstorms, so my internet connection is on and off. The Tucson Lab used Megabee as the protein source in the greenhouse trials. The colonies went downhill hard after two brood cycles. The addition of a little bit of natural bee bread scraped from combs brought them right back to health. Not sure if natural pollen (not yet fermented into bee bread would have done the same). Anyway, shows that Megabee is still apparently missing something. Dr Wardell is working on a liquid supplement. Megabee is clearly a great pollen SUPPLEMENT, but is not yet a SUBSTITUTE. It works fine if some small amount of natural pollen is available to the foragers (USDA tests and in my own tests). You may wish to check out my webpage on Pollen Supplement Formula under Nutrition. www.scientificbeekeeping.com. I tested a homemade formula that kicked butt! But I haven't tried it in greenhouse trials. Randy Oliver ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:17:13 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chris Slade Subject: Re: HFCS (was candy Boards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 14/02/2009 16:20:50 GMT Standard Time, randy@RANDYOLIVER.COM writes: Low pH, plus heat, in an iron tank leads to rapid HMF formation, and can cause bee toxicity. How toxic to bees is HMF? They must have been exposed to it in low doses for ever. Chris ******************************************************* * Search the BEE-L archives at: * * http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l * *******************************************************