From SYSAM@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDUMon May 22 07:16:41 1995 Date: Mon, 22 May 95 08:35:49 EDT From: Aaron Morris To: dicka@cuug.ab.ca ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 07:26:09 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Bee joke As mentioned, NUTWORKS out of Tulane is an interest list for posting jokes. This morning there was a bee joke, although it was quite sexual in content and may be offensive to this list. My levity about dead bee traps was ill received, and I am somewhat hesitant to post this joke as I left my asbestos suit home and am not prepared to stand the flames. On NUTWORKS, anything goes. But this list may be a different matter. So, do I post it? Perhaps I should keep it to myself and send only to those who specifically request it? If the latter, please let me know as I don't care to be an offensive subscriber. It also occurs to me that in these days of 'Political Correctness', this joke could be offensive to native Americans. Take all this as a disclaimer. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 09:54:33 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Orville G. Marti" Subject: Re: Bee joke In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 1 Oct 1991 07:26:09 EDT from On Tue, 1 Oct 1991 07:26:09 EDT Aaron Morris said: >As mentioned, NUTWORKS out of Tulane is an interest list for posting >jokes. This morning there was a bee joke, although it was quite sexual >in content and may be offensive to this list. My levity about dead bee >traps was ill received, and I am somewhat hesitant to post this joke as >I left my asbestos suit home and am not prepared to stand the flames. >On NUTWORKS, anything goes. But this list may be a different matter. > >So, do I post it? Perhaps I should keep it to myself and send only to >those who specifically request it? If the latter, please let me know >as I don't care to be an offensive subscriber. > >It also occurs to me that in these days of 'Political Correctness', >this joke could be offensive to native Americans. Take all this as >a disclaimer. What the heck. Post the joke! *********************************************************************** Orville G. Marti, Jr. OMARTI@TIFTON Dick Marti Insect Biology and Population Management Research Laboratory 387-2328 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1991 13:02:00 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Disclaimed joke There have been no nay sayers and I've already issued the disclaimer, so here goes .... Running Bear finally woke up one morning to discover that he was a man. As such, he deduced, he would require a woman. So he trekked on over to the Medicine Man's teepee to requisition a woman. "What you want, Running Bear?" queried the Medicine Man. "Running Bear want woman!" "Hmmm," said the Medicine Man, "do you know what to do with a woman once you've got her?" "Uh," said Running Bear, "no..." "Then go into the woods for two months. Find a tree with a hole in it, and practice on the tree. Once you have perfected your technique with the tree, come back to me and I will give you a woman." Running Bear agreed, and set off into the woods. Sure enough, he found a tree with the appropriately sized hole, and began his two months of practice. Two months later, he returned to the Medicine Man with pride in his eyes. "Okay," he said to the Medicine Man, "me know what to do. Give me woman." The Medicine Man nodded and brought a pretty young squaw from the back of the teepee. "Little Flower," he said to her, "you now belong to Running Bear. Do as he asks." Runnin Bear and Little Flower then retire to a vacant teepee where Running Bear instructs her to bend over. She shrugs and complies. Running Bear then gives her a swift kick in the behind. "Hey!" cried Little Flower. "What did you do that for?" "Me no stupid," explained Running Bear, "Me check for bees first." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 11:12:29 CDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Dr. James H. Hunt" Subject: ethnoentomology We have a student in our department from Ecuador who has an interest in ethnoentomology - the use of insects for medicinal or shamanistic purposes by native peoples. She has funding for field work in Amazonia in summer '92. The subject is rather far afield for me, and I have not been able to be helpful to her. Though it may also be far afield for most bee-l'ers, I thought I'd ask. Any leads to either literature or to persons with an active interest in ethnoentomology? Many thanks, Jim Hunt C4926@UMSLVMA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 08:36:00 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: KIRK VISSCHER Subject: bee joke As you probably know, honey bee mating takes place high in the air, in sites which remain the same from year to year. The drones congregate in these sites, and hang around waiting for virgin queens to fly in looking to mate (sound familiar?). Well the other day I threw a rock through a Drone Congregation area near here, and the drones followed after it in the typical "comet" configuration. It got me to thinking, so I shot a bullet through the DCA. A couple of extremely fast drones caught up with it. I didn't think much more about it until today when I was in the area, and came upon a whole nest of bee-bee guns! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 04:26:00 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: DON'T PANIC HITCHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY Subject: Re: ethnoentomology For general ethno. medicinal, incl. flora & fauna, try DROCHELEAU@VAX. CLARKU.EDU That's DIane ROcheleau. She may have info direct but will certainly be able to network your student. (Tell her the virtual came from Lois.) Good luck. I'd love to see what your student comes up with. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 08:46:26 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Peter Subject: Bee Films Here are some titles of bee/apiculture films, with comments: Honeybees and Pollination National Film Board Canada 1957 The Life of the Honey Bee J.J.Carey Productions, Burlington, Ont. 1980 (I find this to be an excellent film, well enjoyed by students in class, beekeeper groups, etc. Better than the next listing. ca. 25 mins) Life Cycle of the Honeybee National Geographic 1976 (ca. 15 mins) Good The Dance Language of the Bees (A new video, with animation, which explains all about it) Soon to be available from U of Guelph. Overwintering of Honey Bees in Ontario (Video 1990, U of Guelph) We have also: Films on Queen Rearing The Hobby Beekeeper (I think it's another J.J.Carey Production) The Life of the Bees (an old B & W with some excellent footage of the effects of excessive heat in a feral colony in a hollow tree) Language of the Bee Rearing and Instrumental Insemination of Queen Bees Honey Bee Brood Diseases Videos on The Honey Harvest Honey Bee Brood Diseases Africanized Bee Alert Instrumental Insemination I don't have the Producers etc names for the last list, but could get that if you need it. Cheers, Peter ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 00:45:00 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Kramer Subject: Forwarded Response from Anthro-L@UBVM Posting This is in response to a copy of the original request that I forwarded to ANTHRO-L@UBVM. Paul Kramer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: EDU%"stone@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU" "Glenn Stone" 2-OCT-1991 14:42: 49.90 To: PAUL KRAMER CC: Subj: Re: Ethnoentomology Received: From UBVM(MAILER) by SNYFARVA with Jnet id 2086 for KRAMERPR@SNYFARVA; Wed, 2 Oct 91 14:42 EDT Received: by UBVM (Mailer R2.07) id 0432; Wed, 02 Oct 91 14:43:10 EDT Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 14:39:59 EDT Reply-To: General Anthropology Bulletin Board Sender: General Anthropology Bulletin Board From: Glenn Stone Subject: Re: Ethnoentomology X-To: General Anthropology Bulletin Board To: PAUL KRAMER In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 2 Oct 1991 14:11:00 EDT > From: "Dr. James H. Hunt" > Subject: ethnoentomology > To: Paul Kramer > > We have a student in our department from Ecuador who has an interest > in ethnoentomology - the use of insects for medicinal or shamanistic > purposes by native peoples. She has funding for field work in Amazonia > in summer '92. The subject is rather far afield for me, and I have not > been able to be helpful to her. Though it may also be far afield for most > bee-l'ers, I thought I'd ask. Any leads to either literature or to persons > with an active interest in ethnoentomology? > > Many thanks, > > Jim Hunt > C4926@UMSLVMA An excellent person for this is Jeff Bentley, who studies agrarian ecology in Central America; he's working on "ethnoentomology" now (also the linguistics associated with agriculturally important species like wasps). Another knowledgeable person is Tom Conelly, who was the social scientist at an insect research center in western Kenya. Dr. Jeffrey Bentley Escuela Agricola Panamericana P.O. Box 93 Tegicigalpa, Honduras Dr. Thomas Conelly Dept. of Sociology and Anthropology Indiana Univ. of Pa. Indiana, PA 15705 Good luck... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Glenn Stone BITNET: stone@cunixc Columbia University INTERNET: stone@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 15:09:00 MDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: LDHARDER@UNCAMULT.BITNET Subject: Re: pollen In-Reply-To: Message of 30 Sep 91 02:41 MDT from "W.D.J. Kirk" On Sept. 30, William Kirk requested information concerning the effects of pollen size on the efficiency of transfer by bees. In fact, there seems to be little information on any biological aspect of pollen size (other than the correlation with style length which has been known for 200 years, but seems not to be universal). I have found correlations between pollen size and removal from three plant species, but they confuse, rather than elucidate (see Ecology 71:1110-1125). In particular, removal increased with pollen size for Mertensia paniculata (Boraginaceae) but decreased with size for two congeners with rather different flowers (Pedicularis contorta and P. bracteosa: Scrophulariaceae). I suspect that a correlation with some unmeasured variable may be involved. To further cloud the issue, I have recently found that removal from Pontederia cordata (Pontederiaceae) is affected by pollen size (at least for mid- and long-level anthers - this species is tristylous), but the effect depends on the time of day! Pollen size increases by 1 um during the day, presumably due to hydration. Size does not affect removal during the morning, but during the afternoon large pollen is more recalcitrant to removal. This is too bizarre even for a bee joke. William, I hope this helps (?). ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 10:02:00 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: KIRK VISSCHER Subject: a musing Some doubts have been expressed about the bee-bee guns. The way I see it, I was lucky...we've all heard of a machine gun nest! And it reminds me: what do you get when you cross an elephant and a bee? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 15:06:00 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: KIRK VISSCHER Subject: bee ethno-entomology Another person knowlegeable about interactions between native people and native bees is Joao de Camargo of Departemento de Biologia, Universidade de Sao Paulo, Riberao Preto, SP, Brasil. His studies of melliponine species in Amazonia have led to interactions with the indians of the region, who are intimately familiar with the bee fauna. Camargo communicates mostly in Portugese. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1991 10:11:01 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: EISIK@TAUNOS.BITNET Subject: Re: ethnoentomology In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 2 Oct 1991 11:12:29 CDT Dear Jim Hunt, My good friend Prof. Y Friedman is studying ethnobotany in Ecuado r and he may help, his address is : Prof. Y. Friedman Dep. of Botany, Tel-Aviv University , Tel Aviv, 69978, Israel. Gd luck. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 09:10:37 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Peter Kevan Subject: Re: a musing In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 3 Oct 1991 10:02:00 PST from A Jumbee! A Beechyderm! Elephants are already a cross between a hippopotamus and a long-tongued bumblebee, so you would get another hippopotamus or another long-tongued bumblebee or another elephant. If you did the experiment enough, you would find that the types of offspring would be represented in perfect Mendbeelian ratios. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1991 11:03:00 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: KIRK VISSCHER Subject: a musing Well, I haven't done the experiment of the bee/elephant cross, so I can't attest to the Mendbeelian ratios (?), and I don't know what you would get, but I do know that if it stung you, you'd be in big trouble. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1991 07:56:00 -0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: @FPSP.FAPESP.BR - @FPSP.HEPNET - @BRFAPESP.BITNET - .BR gateway From: UERCB%BRFAPESP.BITNET@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU Subject: VENOMS }PHPLASER } The ¦laboratory of Molecular Biology, Dpet. Biology, ¦IBRC-UNESP, is dealing bee and wasps venoms. The laboratory is ¦investigating techniques ¦of ¦venom ¦extraction ¦at ¦semi ¦industrial ¦¦manner, fractionating ¦these ¦venoms, studing mechanisms ¦of ¦action ¦and determining ¦the ¦chemical structure of several ¦components. ¦The laboratory is applying the venoms and its fractionated components in ¦¦human ¦medicine: ¦immunology, ¦allergy, ¦¦reumathology ¦¦and hematology. The laboratory is also investigating the use of venom components as selective bioinsecticides. People ¦interested ¦to interact with this laboratory ¦to ¦develop collaborative ¦research, ¦should ¦contact me by ¦Bitnet ¦or ¦Fax: (0195) ¦34-4433. ¦There ¦are ¦possibilities ¦of ¦development ¦¦of programs ¦of ¦research and studies at level of master and ¦Ph ¦D. degree, in areas of Zoology, Molecular Biology and Biochemistry. We ¦have ¦venoms of honey bees (several races) and ¦about ¦twenty different species of neotropical social wasps. In Brasil there is a company dealing with commerce of hymenoptera venoms: ¦I ¦suggest the interested to contact BRASWISS, ¦wich ¦is specialize ¦¦in ¦venoms ¦obtained ¦by ¦eletric ¦milking ¦and ¦¦by dissection of venom sac. The addres is: Rua Frei Antonio de Padua 1382, ¦CEP ¦13073, Phone: (0192) 41-7644, ¦Fax: ¦(0192) ¦47-9166, Campinas, SP, Brazil. Mario Sergio Palma ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1991 10:38:33 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Peter Kevan Subject: Bees in Space Does anyone have a refernece to what happened with the BEES IN SPACE experiments? I would be interested to know. Cheers, Peter. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1991 16:52:35 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "W.D.J. Kirk" re: BEES IN SPACE experiments I would be interested to see the design for NASA spacesuits for honeybees. Surely the bees would die very quickly if they didn't have spacesuits!? William Kirk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1991 18:39:34 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Peter Kevan In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 15 Oct 1991 16:52:35 +0100 from I just can't resist. Who better than Captain William Kirk of the Starship Enterprise to ask such an appropriate question? I don't think that there has been a Star Trek episode involving bees, or even bee-like critters. Peter ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1991 08:46:00 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ed Beary Subject: Re: Bees in Space Peter, I would like to know as well. Please send a copy to me if it does not c ome via the net. Ed ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1991 12:40:00 -0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: @FPSP.FAPESP.BR - @FPSP.HEPNET - @BRFAPESP.BITNET - .BR gateway From: OVERAL%MPEG.ANPA.BR@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU Subject: message from overal CALL TO BEE WORKERS As part of the Brazilian and Latin American Zoology Congress to be held in Bem, Brazil, in February of 1991, the organizing committee wishes to pay special homage to Padre Dr. Jesus S. Moure, President of Honor of the Congress and Professor Emeritus of the Federal University of Paran , in recognition of his many years of valued service to the study of Hymenoptera. We solicit letters of appreciation for the work and dedication of Padre Moure that can be read at the Congress and presented to him in a bound volume. Such letters from hymenopterists from around the world will form a fitting tribute to Padre Moure. Thank you for your help in providing this fitting tribute to one of Brazil's most dedicated zoologists. Please send your letter to the Secretary of the Brazilian and Latin American Zoology Congress, Dept. of Zoology, Museu Paraense Em!lio Goeldi, Caixa Postal 399, Bem, Par , BRAZIL. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1991 13:09:52 TZONE Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bernd.Brinkschmidt@RZ.TIHO-HANNOVER.DBP.DE Subject: Reply to Pollen In-Reply-To: On Sept. 30, William Kirk requested information on efficiency of pollen transfer by bees. Oct 03 LDHARDER gave some information on the subject, and he suspects that a correlation with some unmeasured variable might be involved. Our observations on pollen-collecting behaviour of honeybees in a bee flight room with controlled environment suggest, that not the size of the pollen grains, but the efficiency with which the gathering bee can collect the pollen, governs the attractivity of the pollensource. The more recalcitrant to removal (sticky) the pollen is, the less attractive the source will be. The last remark of LDHARDER points in the same direction. If this holds plants with anthers with pollen grains that are quicker collected by bees would be better off, independant of the size of the single pollen grain. Bernd Brinkschmidt/Job v. Praagh Bee Research Institute D-3100 Celle ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1991 15:16:03 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: VMIJAN@VM.UOGUELPH.CA Subject: Re: Jokes In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 16 Oct 91 11:13:50 EST from Many thanks for the bee humour--you're right it does lose something in the translation. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1991 06:46:00 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: DON'T PANIC HITCHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY Subject: Re: Bees in Space YES I'm VERY interested in Bees in Space! Please for info when it is discovered. Does anyone know of a Science Museum that has an ACTIVE bee display, or of someone who may know of someone who may know.... Thanls (whoops) Thanks Lois ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1991 12:05:01 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Stephen B. Bambara" Subject: BEES IN SPACE Wasn't "BEES IN SPACE" a movie starring Jane Fonda? Anyway, I once heard (on another topic) that NASA has a science division from which people can request results of the scientific studies which have been conducted by them. I would try making a few calls to the agency or contacting the nearest Federal Book Depository (i.e. any government documents librarian). ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1991 09:08:00 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MTS@IFASGNV.BITNET Subject: Bees in space reference--beam me up mellifluously From: IN%"hshimanuki@asrr.arsusda.gov" "HACHIRO SHIMANUKI" 16-OCT-1991 10:41: 14.61 To: IN%"mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu" "mts" CC: Subj: Bees in Space Received: from ASRR.ARSUSDA.GOV by gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (PMDF #12419) id <01GBT7B1UUWW001RA6@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1991 10:41 EDT Date: 16 Oct 91 10:33:00 EDT From: HACHIRO SHIMANUKI Subject: Bees in Space To: mts Message-id: <01GBT7B1UUWW001RA6@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> From: AS8250::HSHIMANUKI "DR. H. SHIMANUKI" 16-OCT-1991 10:25:11.85 To: WINS%"evbkevan@vm.uoguelph.ca" CC: HSHIMANUKI Subj: Bees in Space Reference VANDENBERG, J.D., ET AL. 1985. SURVIVAL, BEHAVIOR AND COMB CONSTRUCTION BY HONEY BEES, APIS MELLIFERA, IN ZERO GRAVITY ABOARD NASA SHUTTLE MISSION STS-13. APIDOLOGIE 16 (4):369-384. cc. M cc. Malcolm Sanford ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1991 15:47:46 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: EISIK@TAUNOS.BITNET Subject: Re: Bees in Space In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 15 Oct 1991 10:38:33 EST Dear Prof. P. Kevan, Prof. Y.Ishay , dep. of Medicine, Tel-aviv, Israel, Is invoved with hornet in Space, you can writehim, lif you need more help please bit it, Cheers, Dini. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1991 12:40:00 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: KIRK VISSCHER Subject: bee jokes Time for the electronic colony to exercise its collective mushroom bodies (no not a reference to the physical effects of sitting in front of monitors reading BeeL messages instead of lifting Dadant-depth hives of honey, but merely a good-as-any guess of the site of the neural funny bone in Apis) Please submit nominations for the Honey bee hit parade. Candidates so far: Let it bee, by the Beatles (Beetles?) Sting's Greatest Hits Where have all the flowers gone? by Peter Pollen Mary ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1991 16:09:29 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: LBSCOTT@ECUVM1.BITNET Subject: Re: bee jokes In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 17 Oct 1991 12:40:00 PST from How about:"Oh! Say Can You Bee By The Dawn's Early Light?" ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1991 10:11:00 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Stephen J. Clark" Subject: Re: bee jokes don't you mean: "by the dawn's early Flight?" ? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1991 09:32:00 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: KIRK VISSCHER Subject: Honey bee hit parade-the colonial anthem There seems to be some confusion over Francis Scout-Bee's timeless classic. As I listened at my hive late last night I overheard the original version, which follows: Oh, scout, can you find at the dawns early flight what so proudly we hauled at the twilights last gleaming Whose UV nectar guides, and bee purple besides Ommatidia teased, and compelled us to dancing. And the nectar so rare, with a perfume so fair, we distilled in the night. Are those flowers still there? O say with gravity-angled manner to me The sun bearing to fly from the hive of the bee. However, it seems that my colony had one patriline descended from a Santa Barbar a drone. The bees of this patriline insisted the others had it wrong, and the last lines were Oh send by that flight-aiming odor-field breeze Oer the foraging range, and the hive of the bees -Kirk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1991 13:19:48 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: LBSCOTT@ECUVM1.BITNET Subject: Re: bee jokes In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 18 Oct 1991 10:11:00 EDT from Yes! The F in Flight got lost (due to the heavy weather!) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1991 15:02:00 CDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "MR. MUSTOE, friend of Babar" Subject: LOOKING FOR FUNDING Dear Bee People, I am a teacher at a private school in Bryan Texas. We are in the process of starting an observation colony. I am looking for sources of $ funding v for a project such as this. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | :-) SINCERELY 73s (-: | | Myles Mustoe | | TASTE GEOGRAPHY! EAT WASHINGTON APPLES! | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1991 10:59:38 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Active Bee Display in a Science Museum The Museum of Natural Science section of the Smithsonian Institute has an observation hive located in the Insect Wing. Interesting to look at, but not much more of a display other than the observation hive. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1991 00:26:36 CET Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Dorota A. Nierychlewska and/or Artur A. Luczko" Does anyone have references or/and experience in bee venom analyzing? Especially I am interested in HPLC method and biological tests. Thank you Anna Kobylinska  ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1991 12:21:18 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: EISIK@TAUNOS.BITNET In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 22 Oct 1991 00:26:36 CET In reply to your Bit net, write to prof. A. Hefetz dep of Zoology, Tel-Aviv univ Tel Aviv,69978, Israel. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1991 14:06:00 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MTS@IFASGNV.BITNET Subject: Bee Venom Analysis Dr. Justin Schmidt, USDA Tucson Bee Laboratory, has been involved in this kind of thing for many years. You can contact him at 2000 E. Allen Rd., Tucson, AZ 85719, ph 602/629-6140...you can contact a colleague, Glorida Degrande-Hoffman at GDHOFF@ARIZRVAX. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1991 12:12:28 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: EISIK@TAUNOS.BITNET Subject: Re: Bees in Space In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 17 Oct 1991 06:46:00 EST Dear sir , I saw active bee display in the natural history museum ,Oxford, U.K.Y ou may write to Mr Chris o'Tool, department of Entomology, univ. of Oxford,U.K.A ll the best , Dan Eisikowitch. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1991 06:10:00 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: DON'T PANIC HITCHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY Subject: Re: Bees in Space Thanks! I'll see if I can email...if not, return to Victoriana. Lois ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1991 09:47:42 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rick Hough Subject: top 40 bee hits My apologies if this isn't submitted in an appropriate form - I've never submitted e-mail to a list like this before. Anyhow, it strikes me that the Best of the Bee Gees must be in the top 40 hit list somewhere!! Also, isn't there a Van Morrison tune called "Tripello Honey" ?? O O \______/ Rick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1991 10:12:00 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MTS@IFASGNV.BITNET Subject: October issue of APIS FILENAME: OCTAPIS.91 Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 9, Number 10, October 1991 REGISTRATION FEES The Honey Bee Technical Council, an advisory body to Agriculture and Consumer Services Commissioner, Bob Crawford, met September 24. A proposal to institute registration fees by the Division of Plant Industry's Apiary Bureau was brought before the group. Proposed fees would be charged on a sliding scale based on the number of colonies a beekeeper manages. The suggested rates are as follows: Number of Colonies Fee 1 - 19 $10 20 - 199 $20 200 - 499 $30 500 - 999 $40 1,000 - 1,999 $50 2,000 - 4,999 $60 5,000 - 9,999 $75 10,000 and above $100 These would be payable each year; there would be a penalty not to exceed $10 per year for late registration certificates, those renewed after the anniversary date. It is estimated that the sum total of these fees would constitute less than 20% of the Apiary Bureau's expenses. In addition to this registration fee, beekeepers asking the Apiary Bureau for special inspections (tracheal or Varroa mite certifications and others) would also be charged specifically for these services, not to exceed the actual cost of the service. There was considerable discussion about the proposed registration fee. Concerns were raised about the sliding scale and the mechanism by which the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services might raise the fees in the future. The Council finally tabled the issue until its next meeting which will probably take place in November. Whether or not the Honey Bee Technical Council decides to support this legislation, there seems little doubt it will be proposed in the upcoming legislative session. Payment of registration fees represents a radical shift in Florida's apiary inspection situation. The concept is consistent, however, with what is happening around the nation (see the article in last month's APIS) and the recent budgetary crisis. Should a ground swell of opposition to these "user fees" develop, the Florida beekeeping industry would risk degrading, if not losing, its bee inspecting effort. It is imperative, therefore, that beekeepers contact their legislators about bee inspection issues soon. If you are not receiving information on meetings of the Honey Bee Technical Council and missed the September 24 event, you can ask to be placed on the mailing list. Write to Mr. Laurence Cutts, Apiary Bureau, Division of Plant Industry, P.O. Box 1269, Gainesville 32606, ph 904/372-3505, Ext. 128. CHINESE BEEKEEPING Beekeeping in the world's most populous nation has always held a fascination for many. Mr. Horace Bell, recently returned from China, reported on his three-week journey at the Honey Bee Technical Council Meeting. The typical Chinese beekeeper, according to Mr. Bell, is well informed, manages from 70 to 100 colonies, lives in a tent near the colonies and has four employees. Migratory beekeeping also exists. Five to six beekeepers often join forces; the government trucks their colonies to the rail line where they are placed on cars and accompanied by the beekeepers, tent and all, to another location. Most beekeepers are producing royal jelly in China for which there is a huge market. Some 1,000 metric tons are collected each year, Mr. Bell said. Beekeepers manipulate their colonies each day and the bees are very gentle (no smoke or veils are used!). Bees are also fed every day and 125 grafted cells are put in each colony for jelly production. Virtually all honey bees seen by Mr. Bell were European (Apis mellifera); he was able to find only two colonies of Apis cerana, the Asian relative of the European honey bee. According to Mr. Bell's observations, the reason so few Apis cerana bees are used is that their production is less than European bees. He understood, however, that cerana is found more in subtropical areas where Varroa might be more problematic. Varroa mites are present in China, but beekeepers use "herbal remedies" to keep populations low in European bees; cerana bees are inherently resistant to the mite. Mr. Bell was unable to determine which remedies are being used, but he collected evidence that several formulations of fluvalinate, used elsewhere in the world for Varroa control, have found their way to China. Dr. Jim Tew, who also went to China on the same tour with Mr. Bell, also sent me an official report on the beekeeping situation. According to this document, in 1989, 7,350,000 colonies of honey bees made 189,000 tons of honey, 800 tons of royal jelly and 800 tons of marketable bee collected pollen. Product processing has grown since the 1970s to 400 factories. These market over 100 kinds of medicines and food products. A national Research Apicultural Institute employing some 130 scientists is helping China upgrade its beekeeping. There are four national bee journals, a national Chinese apicultural association with 27 branches and 40 specialized queen rearing facilities. China's beekeeping industry has definitely made impressive strides in the last 10 years. The country is looking forward to hosting the 34th International Apicultural Congress in 1994. ABRC IN TUCSON The warm winds of Tucson, Arizona welcomed participants to the annual American Bee Research Conference (ABRC), October 7 and 8. This meeting continues to bring together beekeepers, scientists and others to share ideas about honey bee research. The full proceedings of the conference in the form of compiled abstracts of papers presented will be published in the American Bee Journal, but here are a few interesting items I picked up while attending. Dr. Martha Gilliam of the Tucson bee laboratory provided a description of her efforts to identify enzymes particular to certain strains of the disease. Three specific enzymes are now being looked at carefully in order to develop a testing kit. As a follow up, Boris Yakobson from Israel provided an interesting sketch of a large chalkbrood epidemic in Israel. The country has 800 beekeepers keeping 80,000 hives; 70% of the beekeeping is commercial in nature. Israeli beekeepers manage European bees (Apis mellifera ligustica) and try to keep the feral colonies of overdefensive Apis mellifera syriaca bees at bay by constantly requeening. Average honey production is 35 kilos (77 pounds); 2/3 from citrus. Chalkbrood was first identified in Israel in 1984, becoming epidemic in 1989 when 20% of colonies suffered serious damage. All apiaries were infested by 1990. Possible causes of this problem include stresses caused by: a new strain of the causative fungus (Ascosphaera apis), a rise in nosema levels coupled with increased use of fumagillin, a large-scale change in the genetic makeup of colonies (some 45,000 queens were brought from Australia for requeening purposes), effects of Varroa infestation and treatment for the mite, mixed infections of sacbrood and chalkbrood. Although they are searching for chemical control, the Israelis have as yet found no effective way to curb this infestation. Detecting Varroa mites more efficiently was addressed by Dr. Clarence Collison and colleagues at Mississippi State and Pennsylvania State Universities. This research showed that ether roll sampling for Varroa is extremely variable. At least 1,000 bees must be sampled in order to pick up low infestation levels. Dr. Tom Webster at Kentucky State University did a study to determine if it would be effective to use cheaper vegetable oil instead of more expensive ether on bees emerging from comb. He used newly emerged bees to bias the sample toward the most infested part of a colony, the brood comb. The vegetable oil did dislodge mites. In addition more were detected in the newly emerged bee sample, but this necessarily made it a two-step process (first combs of emerging brood are removed, then the new bees are rolled in oil). Finally, he found that Apistan (R) plastic strips were far more sensitive in finding low infestations. Unfortunately, the latter method uses pesticides in a colony and is expensive. Are destung bees suicidal? That question, asked by L.G. Schen and Dr. Justin Schmidt at the Tucson bee lab, was answered by a resounding yes. It seems that bees without stingers pursue those identified as enemies farther from the hive than do those which have retained their stings. In other words, they become expendable and are the leading vanguard of the colony's defense efforts. Given the need to develop and maintain breeding stock, Dr. John Harbo of the Louisiana bee lab provided information on how to effectively manage laying workers to conserve genetic mutant markers. Because drones are haploid and show the markers, it makes sense that maintaining drone populations developed by laying workers is a good strategy. It also is a way to ensure drone rearing for purposes of instrumental insemination. New information on the African honey bee also emerged at the ABRC meeting. Dr. Bill McKenna, an immunologist, from Harlingen, Texas provided insight into the search for an antivenom for bee stings. None has been found yet, but it is being investigated for the main components of bee venom: mellitin, phospholipase and hyaluronidase. He also indicated that there will probably be an increase in allergic reactions to stings as more and more persons come in contact with African bees. Killing bees using diesel fuel does not work as well as soapy water according to Dr. Bill Wilson of the Weslaco bee lab. And any detergent will not do--Dr. Wilson suggested the brand names Dawn (R), Dove (R), Palmolive (R) or any of that same type were the best. Drs. Justin Schmidt and Heyward Spangler from the Tucson bee lab did a number of tests in Costa Rica to see if an African bee attack can be stopped. They were able to reduce attacks by up to 80%, but this is certainly not sufficient considering the physical number of bees that might be involved. Dr. Orley Taylor from the University of Kansas and colleagues presented data to show that in northern Mexico the paternity of African bees is rapidly increasing at the expense of that of European bees. This was discovered by studying frequencies of different forms of malic dehydrogenase (MDH) and hexokinase (HK) found in the bee populations. The sizes of worker bees and worker cells in combs also declines as these frequencies change. Fortunately, according to Dr. Taylor, the rate of loss is influenced by density and distribution of a managed European population, and the outcome should change as the bees approach their climatic limits in the United States. Trapping technology continues to evolve according to Dr. Justin Schmidt and Steve Thoenes of the Tucson bee lab. The paper pulp trap now has a counterpart which accepts standard frames. In one test, there was no significant difference in attracting swarms between the two types. Traps should be placed at least 3 yards above the ground, and the more out of the way the better for passersby. Effectiveness of traps is definitely increased using pheromone lure, a combination of geraniol, citral and nerolic acid. The latter ingredient is difficult to find, but is so effective it's worth the extra effort and cost, Dr. Schmidt said. LEADERSHIP PROGRAM APPLICATIONS SOUGHT Across the nation there is a recognition that good leadership does not come without some training in this complex subject. The Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences (IFAS) is now soliciting applications/nominations for persons in agricultural industry who might be good candidates as leaders. Those selected for this program would be provided expense-paid training in a number of different areas in the hope they would bring a better brand of leadership back to their community and/or industry. Ideal candidates should be 25 to 45 years of age and have demonstrated strong leadership potential. They must be legal U.S. Citizens and residents of Florida for at least one year prior to the December 14 closing date. If you are interested in this concept and think you might qualify, contact me or the Florida State Beekeepers Association's Secretary-Treasurer, Ms. Eloise Cutts 2237 NW 16th Ave., Gainesville, FL 32605, Ph 904/378-7719. FLORIDA STATE BEEKEEPERS ASSOCIATION MEETING The Florida State Beekeepers meeting is still scheduled for November 7-9 in Gainesville at the Hilton. If you have not made plans to attend, now is the time. There no doubt will be in-depth discussions on the proposed inspection fees mentioned above. In addition, there should be information concerning the certification meeting which will take place October 24-27 in St. Louis, MO as discussed in last month's Apis. For more information, contact Eloise Cutts, whose address and telephone number appear above. MORE BUDGET BLUES Last month I discussed the very real budgetary crisis at the Department of Entomology/Nematology. It is a university and education-wide phenomenon as well. Recently, Dr. John Lombardi, President of the University, sent an open letter stating that layoffs were beginning and asking all to, "Please help our legislators and our governor understand that Floridians do not want to live in America's first third-world state." The numbers provided by the President for the $55 million recently cut from the University's budget include reduction of 338 faculty and 309 support staff, along with $19 million in supplies, expenses and equipment and $4.5 million in library resources, student aid and other services. Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford 0740 IFAS, Bldg 970 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0740 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1991 10:03:49 EST Reply-To: IQTI400@INDYCMS Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MacPhil Subject: "What's the Buzz?" I'm no longer on this list (or just about any other list) due to some unexpected changes in employment (about to take place). As a result, I hope I'm not duplicating information already posted. The _Chicago Tribune_'s Thursday edition is food day. Today's topic is "What's the Buzz?" and "How to cook with honey", including about a half-dozen recipes using honey. I know much of the information contained in the article is pretty much lower than most on this list would need, but for any hobby or profession that is very visible and misunderstood (much of the time), I think it's important to be familiar /c what the general public is told. P.S. If you are going to try to track down the Trib and are unfamiliar /c it, it's easy to find because of the big blue stripe across the top of the front section (on all editions). Happy Reading MacPhil | iqti400@indycms.bitnet | iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1991 10:17:24 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rick Hough Subject: Another musical tidbit .. and in the category of television show theme songs .... the theme from "Leave it to BEEver" Rick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1991 10:01:24 PDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "G. Wong" Subject: Re: Another musical tidbit How about Ripley's bee-lieve it or not? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1991 10:42:00 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: KIRK VISSCHER Subject: I dont bee-lieve it Is Ripley's bee-lieve it or not a song? Buzz a few bars, maybe I know it. As long as things have deteriorated this far: Q Why is the letter A like a flower? A Because a B is likely to come after it. Bee hearing from you.... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1991 09:12:09 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "W.D.J. Kirk" How about that old favourite from the film musicals: "stinging in the rain" William Kirk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1991 16:53:48 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Chi-Jen Cheng Subject: Polyannaspermy Hello...here's the question of the month: Are honey bee eggs polyspermic, and to what degree? Or is just one sperm donating its genetic material? Are there any references? Does anyone care to put forth a hypothesis on why there is (or is not) p polyspermy, knowing that many drones mate with one queen? thanks, Paul ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 07:44:00 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: KIRK VISSCHER Subject: honey bee polyspermy There have been several reports of detectable polyspermy in honey bees, but it appears to be an exception to the rule. Woyke has summarized these in his chapters in Ruttner's book on instrumental insemination (1969, Apimondia), and his chapter in Rinderer's book on Bee Genetics and Breeding (1986, Academic Press). The other question of the month (in a lighter vein) is: When becalmed in the Doldrums, why do sailors never go swimming? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 07:51:00 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: KIRK VISSCHER Subject: hint on the outstanding question When becalmed in the Doldrums, why do sailors never go swimming? Hint: this is not shark-L! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1991 12:13:50 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MacPhil Subject: More from a former subscriber Sorry to interrupt again... Yesterday's Chicago Tribune had an article about an artform that has been named "apiculture" where a frame is put together and the bees turned loose upon it to fill it in, some are people-sized. Apparently there have been quite a few showings from this gentleman and he's supposed to be showing in Chicago sometime later this week. If anyone is going to retrieve this for reading, I think it was in the Tempo section. MacPhil | iqti400@indycms.bitnet | iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1991 15:08:00 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: FS300022@SOL.YORKU.CA Subject: Re: Another musical tidbit Actually Yet ANother BEE Joke: A beekeeper on holiday in Scotland sat down to breakfast at the farmhouse where he had stayed the night. Finding the porridge to be thin and watery he asked the landlady for something more substantial such as toast. A few minutes later he was presented with just one slice of toast with a drop of honey on it. Observing this, and realising that his host emulated the Scotch tradition of parsiomony, he said: "Ah, I see that you keep a Bee!". . . . . End of Bee Joke - No you didn't Miss Anything . . . . ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1991 11:17:46 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Peter Kevan Subject: Re: Another musical tidbit In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 29 Oct 1991 15:08:00 EST from Where do bees go for their holidays (vacations)? The Beehamas Pollenesia Beeyellowrussia Guinea Beesau San Beeaygo Colombeea All of the above ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1991 12:21:35 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rick Hough Subject: holiday destinations... Another popular vacation destination for bees: BEEntown (Yes, the hub of the universe, Boston, Massachusetts) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1991 06:55:00 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: DON'T PANIC HITCHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY Subject: Re: holiday destinations... Wish I had a bee joke, but only a bee-query bee-cause its not my field. I'm installing a musuem exhibit for the spring with BEES, the conceptual I'm installing a musuem exhibit for the spring with BEES, the conceptual (whoops) frame for the exhibit as a whole is COMMUNICATION, inter and intraspecies. Anyone have any info or leads on current thoughts on Bee communication. (or even a joke!) Thanks, Lois Brynes New England Science Center lbrynes@vax.clarku.edu (internet) lbrynes@clarku (bitnet) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1991 08:58:00 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MTS@IFASGNV.BITNET Subject: Maybe this will get through...now I see why so much is sent to Bee-L From: IN%"Postmaster@vax.clarku.edu" "PMDF Mail Server" 31-OCT-1991 08:50:07. 11 To: IN%"MTS@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu" CC: Subj: Undeliverable mail: local delivery failure Received: from JACK (jack.clarku.edu) by gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (PMDF #12419) id <01GCE1SFK4MO004GFC@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>; Thu, 31 Oct 1991 08:49 EDT Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1991 08:49 EST From: PMDF Mail Server Subject: Undeliverable mail: local delivery failure To: MTS@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Message-id: The message could not be delivered to: Addressee: ibrynes Reason: %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user IBRYNES at node JACK ---------------------------------------- Received: from gnv.ifas.ufl.edu by vax.clarku.edu with PMDF#10413; Thu, 31 Oct 1991 08:49 EST Received: from gnv.ifas.ufl.edu by gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (PMDF #12419) id <01GCE1R5NVJO004E38@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>; Thu, 31 Oct 1991 08:48 EDT Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1991 08:48 EDT From: MTS@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Subject: bee communication To: ibrynes@vax.clarku.edu Message-id: <01GCE1R5NVJO004E38@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"ibrynes@vax.clarku.edu" I suggest reading "Anatomy of a controversy," by A. Wenner and P. Wells, Columbia University Press, 1990. That ought to give you something to chew on concerning communication in bees..Tom Sanford, Extension Apiculturist, University of Florida ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1991 09:28:27 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: peter Subject: Communication exhibit A readable account of the communication issues with honeybees is the book by Gould & Gould published by the Scientific American group. Gould, J.L. & C.G.Gould, 1988. THE HONEY BEE. Scientific American Library. This book is not as comprehensive as the title suggests, but the issues of language/communication are well tackled in a readable way. The U of Guelph has just developed an animated video on the dance-language of honey bees. I haven't seen it yet because it is so new and may be available or not right now. If you want more information, please write to Cynthia Scott-Dupree, Dept. Environ Biol, U of Guelph, Guelph, Ont. N1G 2W1, Canada. Cheers, Peter Kevan. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1991 10:31:00 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: FS300022@SOL.YORKU.CA Subject: Re: holiday destinations... BEETON, Ontario (40 miles north of Toronto) was named (in the 1800's) after a pioneer beekeeper (I believe one of the Beekeeping Jones who immigrated to north america from Wales). ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1991 10:21:00 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: KIRK VISSCHER Subject: holiday destinations This is not precisely a "Holiday" destination, but since bees MUST take honeymoons, I would suppose a favorite destination would be Queensland. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1991 18:18:45 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: peter kevan Subject: Re: holiday destinations In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 31 Oct 1991 10:21:00 PST from Oh, Oh, Oh .... I should've know not to take you seriously. But, then again, Beeyellowrussia must be beetween Beegreenrussia and Beeredrussia on the Great Colour Circle Route to the Land of Oz where poppies, beeing beeblue, caused Judy Garland, beeing beeset by bees beecause of her name to fall asleep. I can't remember how our narcosed heroine was rescued from beeing beewitched. It's getting late and I'm away home, following the beeyellowbrick road.