========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:07:54 +0200 Reply-To: drs@kulmbach.baynet.de Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Dr. Reimund Schuberth" Subject: Re: Yugoslavian Carniolan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Bradley, > 1) What is a ARS Y-C-1 Carniolan Yugoslavian bee? And is it really a > mite resistant ? > Don't believe everything you read in newspapers and advertisements. Regularly you can read about miracles such as mite resistant bees. . > 2) What type of bee should I bee looking for? > Ask different beekeepers in your surrounding. They know best what kind of bee breed is ideal in your region. Sincerely Reimund ______________________________ Beekeeper in Germany (Bavaria) Queen Rearing of Carniolan Bees Insemination Station ______________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:10:35 -0800 Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: Re: Spraying Bee attractants to Avocado Orchard In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:04 PM 3/31/98 -0800, you wrote: >A local avocado orchard grower is going to spray a bee phermone on his >blossoming avocado orchard to attract more bees to the blossoms. >Has anyone heard of this proceedure before? >Would this be a viable project for other plant species? Yep the sale of so called "bee attractants" is common in California and well advertised in the farm press every few years and they are sold under various trade names and list of ingredients. One must be a little careful as sugar which can be one of the main ingredient in some of this stuff and can have a bad effect on blossoms and young foliage. Anything that says it contains pheromones has just found a way to increase the asking price for it. It works...farmers spend money on this they may/would have spent on pesticides that kill bees. Sometimes the next week they use the same equipment and stuff that the same salesman sold them to kill all bees and any other living thing in the grove. Once you got your crop set who needs bees anyway? In the end the difference between those who use these so called bee attractants does not measure up to a real crop gain and does NOT gain enough extra crop to pay the cost in all but a very few cases which are used to promote the sale of the material to the next progressive farmer. If more bees are really needed it would be a better investment to pay some beekeeper to bring more of them in then trying to attract them from who knows ware. The problem is that this time of year most beekeepers are not interested in alligator pears and the black honey they can make, as it is Orange Blossom time and its white honey time, so if a grower does not have orange locations or oranges around him he has a problem. Still I know of no grower who wants bees and does not have them who can not rent bees or any big or new demand for bees to pollinate this crop. Bee Attractants have been used from time to time in many seed and nut crops in California which include almonds, apples, alfalfa seed, red clover seed, onion seed and even cotton seed. All it takes is a good flashy advertising campaign and fast talking young collage graduates to push this stuff. They must sell some as they continue to advertise it and sellers can be found at every spring agricultural fair in California. All these farm chemicals are no more then the farmers dope bag, he gets away with it because its regulated while the poor in the getoe get to go to jail. Bee extra careful around these growers they will arrest you for picking one fallen fruit off the ground and laugh at you if you complain when their irrigators rip honey off your hives.. IMHO, the OLd Drone one who in another life bent his elbow with many farm chemical people and use every dirty trick they taught me to protect bees via the legislate and courts (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:29:39 -0800 Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: Re: Yugoslavian Carniolan In-Reply-To: <352130FA.8F520DD7@kulmbach.baynet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:07 PM 3/31/98 +0200, you wrote: I apologize for the band width waste in this post but I just have to say I have a lot more interest in German Carniolan queens after reading this direct and honest reply to a question asked by so many from someone who should know what is going on. In this country it is not only the used car salesman turned beekeepers that can rip you off when it comes to the big lie about queen bee power. Watch out for that sales job from the USDA as they are just about as trustworthy as old Huck and never seem to be able to deliver on what they say they got. ttul, the OLd Drone >Don't believe everything you read in newspapers and advertisements. >Regularly you can read about miracles such as mite resistant bees. . >> 2) What type of bee should I bee looking for? >Ask different beekeepers in your surrounding. They know best what kind of >bee breed is ideal in your region. >Sincerely >Reimund ______________________________ >Beekeeper in Germany (Bavaria) >Queen Rearing of Carniolan Bees >Insemination Station >______________________________ > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:52:32 -0500 Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Guy F. Miller" Subject: Re: Finding Stuff Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:16 PM 3/30/98 -0600, you wrote: >From: kferner >To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > >Hi, I am working on doing a presentation on beekeeping for kids in >school and libraries. I am looking for honey sample packs to be able to >pass out to the kids to taste honey, or something along that line, and >also for anything else I could use to show these kids about beekeeping. >My husband is a beekeeper and I am his "helper" so I already have a suit >and tools and I will use a hive box and a super with frames to "try" to >explain the process, keeping it as simple as possible. Anyone know of >any other educational tools I might use to help create this program?? I >remember seeing some advertised in one of our beekeeping journals, but >can't find it. > >THanks for any help. >Karen > Karen, I do about ten of these a year in and around Charlottesville, Virginia. I take a squeeze bottle of honey with me, and it is the last event of a 20-25 minute pitch on honey bees. I first ask if anyone isn't supposed to eat candy or sweets, then tell them that they should get in line and stick out their cleanest finger (that's a laugh watching them deciding which is best,) lick the honey off IMMEDIATELY, and then go to the sink to wash it off. I put a drop or two on each finger, being careful not to touch anyone's finger. I hold their hand and fingers so they don't lift up and touch the spout. Early on in the session, I show them a frame of foundation, one that is drawn out, and the third full of honey, and explain what has happened and how. Typically I go to K and 1st grade classes, with an occasional event at a nursing home or the Senior Center. My last time at a nursing home, one lady kept asking, "Are you done yet?" Doesn't do much for morale! I don't recommend nursing homes. Guy F. Miller "Start every day with a smile, and get it over with." Charlottesville. VA W.C. Fields ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:02:58 +0900 Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: j h & e mcadam Subject: Re: Honey bees v Wild Bees MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Can you give me more info. on G. Pyke. and why English Nature should be so >influenced by him? Where are his "Media releases" published? > >Sorry I don't know what CSIRO is. CSIRO stands for Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial Research Organisation which is a long established Australian Government research organisation which has contributed greatly to research and development, many of their discoveries being patented world-wide. Graham Pyke's attacks on honeybees pre-date my beekeeping experience. I have seen one newspaper report in South Australia which was promptly taken up by the South Australian Apiarists Association and my information on Graham Pyke's background is drawn from the Minutes of the Association. I am sure the Federal Association of Australian Apiarists would be very glad to receive a copy of the article in question and would be the appropriate representative of the apiary industry to raise the allegations with English Nature. They will be more aware of the background of the people involved. I do not know if English Nature purports to be a scientifically based publication. It would be interesting to know if they submit proposed articles to critical analysis or accept any hypothesis which their editorial staff is in sympathy with. Betty McAdam HOG BAY APIARY Penneshaw, Kangaroo Island j.h. & e. mcadam Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Gerard Worrell Subject: Renewal of your subscription to the BEE-L list (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Gerard P.Worrell Beekeeper, Gardener,Shepherd worrell@cbl.umces.edu or worrell@chesapeake.net 3575 Ferry Landing Rd Dunkirk,MD 20754-9651 (410)257-3267 Past Pres. Assoc. of Southern MD Beekeepers Life member MD State Beekeepers Association,VP for Calvert Co. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:00:07 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Albany (1.8c)" To: "Gerard P.Worrell" Subject: Renewal of your subscription to the BEE-L list Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:00:07 Your subscription to the BEE-L list is due for renewal. If you wish to remain subscribed to BEE-L, please issue the following command to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU at your earliest convenience: CONFIRM BEE-L You will be automatically removed from the list if you do not send a CONFIRM command within the next 14 days. PS: In order to facilitate the task, this message has been specially formatted so that you only need to forward it back to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU to have the command executed. Note that while the formats produced by the forwarding function of most mail packages are supported, replying will seldom work, so make sure to forward and not reply. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- // JOB CONFIRM BEE-L // EOJ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:43:46 -0500 Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Frank Humphrey Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Apiaries In-Reply-To: <19980330.175934.3238.0.glbarbor@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Havn't delt with Blue Ridge Apiaries since they changed their name from > Huck Babcock, but had plenty of trouble with them then. The first time I > tried them was bad, the second year was a disaster. > > Jerry B. > I ordered Yugo from Blue Ridge about 3 years ago and was advised by some Georgia beekeepers that I would never see any bees. Sure enough, I had to get a back charge on my credit card because after 6 weeks, they hadn't shipped any bees to me. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@bellsouth.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:16:23 -0500 Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Frank Humphrey Subject: Re: FMGO for varroa - the Origins Comments: To: allend@internode.net In-Reply-To: <03205449024975@internode.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Changing the topic again: What's happening? Are the dreaded vampire mites turned into pussycats this year or have beekeeepers learned to cope? What is going on? Allen I think most beekeepers have adapted. I suffered a broken ankle last year and was about 4 weeks later getting the Apistan in. The mites got 16 colonies in the fall and more died in the winter even though they had stores. I found mites last week in very strong hives when I started spring treatment. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@bellsouth.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:43:58 -0600 Reply-To: lkrengel@mc.net Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Larry Krengel Subject: Re: Finding Stuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karen - You will have a ball doing these shows. I suggest that you show up all decked out in suit and veil... and walk down the middle of the school. It works like a pied piper (sp?). I suggest four props 1. A video called "the honey harvest" (for the teacher to show before you come) 2. the study prints available (I think) from Dadant 3. an observation hive 4. Honey straws This is fun. Larry Krengel Marengo, IL USA Excerpts from BEE-L wrote: > From: kferner > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > > Hi, I am working on doing a presentation on beekeeping for kids in > school and libraries. I am looking for honey sample packs to be able > to > pass out to the kids to taste honey, or something along that line, and > > also for anything else I could use to show these kids about > beekeeping. > My husband is a beekeeper and I am his "helper" so I already have a > suit > and tools and I will use a hive box and a super with frames to "try" > to > explain the process, keeping it as simple as possible. Anyone know of > > any other educational tools I might use to help create this program?? > I > remember seeing some advertised in one of our beekeeping journals, but > > can't find it. > > THanks for any help. > Karen ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:41:54 EST Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Pyke - natives vs exotics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Regarding the queries about Graham Pyke and assertions that (and I paraphrase here) honeybees do not compete with native species, I draw subscribers' attention to the previously discussed book _The_Forgotten_Pollinators_ by Stephen L. Buchmann and Gary Paul Nabhan (Island Press - ISBN 1-55963-352-2) in which there is a lengthy discussion of this issue. Again paraphrasing, the answer to the question depends on the area. There may be areas where honey bees have no impact on native species, as the natives and exotics (honey bees) have different interests - the exotics may be interested in plant X whereas the natives may be interested in plant Y. No conflict. However, there are documented cases of direct conflict. Furthermore, it may be that from the plants' point of view, the competition between exotic and native is detrimental. It is revealed that honeybees can be more correctly described as more efficient pollen collectors as opposed to more efficient pollinators. When honeybees collect pollen, they wet the pollen with nectar to make it more packable in their pollen baskets (corbuca? something) and the wet, packed pollen may not make it to the pistils as efficiently as it may if dry and carried by a native, co-evolved pollinator. The honeybee collects the pollen more efficiently but may not pollinate the flower more effectively! So, blanket statements such as "Honeybees are detrimental to native species" and "Honeybees are more efficient pollinators" are incorrect. It may be the case that in certain areas honeybees ARE detrimental to native species and in some instances honeybees ARE more efficient pollinators than natives, but neither is true in all cases at all times. As far as what this has to do with Pyke and conservation areas in Australia or the price of beans in Boston or tea in China, I have no idea. For the whole picture one would have to do lengthy studies on the native flora and fauna and coevolved relations between the two before passing judgement on the imports. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:27:47 -0600 Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Don Moore Subject: Renewal of your subscription to the BEE-L list Comments: cc: CONFIRM.BBE-L@lion.connect.more.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Return-path: >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:01:15 -0500 >From: > "L-Soft list server at University at Albany (1.8c)" >Subject: Renewal of your subscription to the BEE-L list >To: Don Moore >X-LSV-ListID: BEE-L > >Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:01:15 > >Your subscription to the BEE-L list is due for renewal. If you wish to >remain subscribed to BEE-L, please issue the following command to >LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU at your earliest convenience: > > CONFIRM BEE-L > >You will be automatically removed from the list if you do not send a >CONFIRM command within the next 14 days. > >PS: In order to facilitate the task, this message has been specially >formatted so that you only need to forward it back to >LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU to have the command executed. Note that while >the formats produced by the forwarding function of most mail packages are >supported, replying will seldom work, so make sure to forward and not >reply. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >// JOB >CONFIRM BEE-L >// EOJ > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:38:15 +0000 Reply-To: parker@airtime.co.uk Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Chris Parker Subject: Re: Good queens don't just happen! Comments: cc: andp@UAA.ALASKA.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Is anybody can help to locate the breeder of German black bees (apis melifera > melifera ) in the USA or Canada? I suggest contacting BIBBA ( http://www.millhouse.co.uk/bibba ) who may be able to help with contact names etc =A0=A0 Chris Parker Bath Beekeepers -- UK htto://www.airtime.co.uk/beekeeping/apiary/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:31:00 -0500 Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Ron Bogansky Subject: Buckfast Queens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang, I have a question on Buckfast queens. I did a search in the archives and found many posts but none really answered my question. Does the Buckfast breed true? Assuming there are Buckfast drones will the daughters still be Buckfast, and if so how many generations (practical) will still be Buckfast? I have a colony that had a Starline queen that was superseded sometime late last season. Other that I noticed that the marked queen was gone the colony seemed OK. I decided to let go through winter and probably requeen in the spring. I checked that colony this week and they were extremely aggressive, especially compared to all the other colonies. They followed me back to the truck and would not give up. I did not see the queen but there was plenty of eggs and brood so she was there. She may be a second or third generation queen, but one things for sure, she's history. I have never used Buckfast, but my daughter is in an agricultural class where she and three other students will be starting colonies for a project. They ordered packages with Buckfast queens. I am assuming that with all the inexperienced handling they will be doing, a queen may be injured and replaced. I would not want these young beekeepers to come away with a bad and "painful" experience because of an aggressive colony. I do plan on trying to help these students. One humorous side note. This ag project requires a student to raise an animal for market. When my daughter told me she chose bees I told her I would give her whatever equipment she needed and we would make a split in April. I also told her I would start nucs for the other students. She said no that the teacher had order packages, but had suggested that my daughter use one of my colonies. She declined and said she wanted a package. I asked her why. She said she told the teacher she wanted to do the same as the other students, but she told me that when school is over they take them home. This way we get a "free" hive. Why don't I think like that? Maybe she should run the operation and I should work for her, although she would probably make me take a pay cut. Any information on the Buckfast question would be appreciated. Ron Bogansky Kutztown, PA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:45:46 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Subject: USDA Opens Borders to Importation of New Zealand Bees? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Did anyone see this? Try http://www.usgov.gov/news/aprlflls/ (I take no responsibility for the content of that purported site and advise readers to verify the facts before reacting. The purported article is too long to quote here, so I'll just use a few lines here and there... and you can search for the rest). > USDA Opens Borders to Importation of New Zealand Bees > In a surprise move, US and New Zealand officials announced jointly > this morning that beginning 4/1/98, the US will allow importation and > trans-shipment of New Zealand bees to and through all US states, > including Hawaii... > ... After several years of low key discussions between agriculture > officials it has been determined that New Zealand bees are entirely free > of any harmful viruses and other diseases or pests that might affect > American beekeeping other than American Foulbrood (AFB), a disease which > exists throughout the USA anyhow. However to prevent transmission of any > new stains of AFB, the protocol requires that any apiaries from which > owners plan to export bees to the USA be treated with oxytetracycline > for at least three months previous to any shipment. > ...Moreover, in a new initiative for more open trade worldwide, it is > expected that the Canadian border will be opened to US bee imports > within the month... Further, the restrictions on Chinese honey imports > to the USA will be withdrawn June 1... ... in contemplating the meaning of this report, readers are advised to consider the date of its transmission... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:42:51 -0700 Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Rett Thorpe Subject: Re: Honey Board MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Am I right in my assumption that the Honey Board only has jurisdiction over commercial beekeepers, and not us hobbyists? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:00:50 -0800 Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: Re: Honey Board In-Reply-To: <61A1CFAB40BDCF119B3B080009D624A8282E9C@sterwent.sterwent.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:42 AM 4/1/98 -0700, you wrote: >Am I right in my assumption that the Honey Board only has jurisdiction >over commercial beekeepers, and not us hobbyists? They would be happy to take your donation. To visit some of their web presence go to: http://www.nhb.org/news.html ttul, the OLd Drone ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:04:26 -0800 Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Roy Nettlebeck Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Apiaries In-Reply-To: <352029C7.F5A07ACD@sover.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Jeffrey R. Hills wrote: > I would want to be fairly certain about whom I was talking, if I were making the > comments below. > JRH > P.S. I am in several other special-interest groups. This one takes the cake for > the level > of hostility. Hi Jeffrey, I'm sorry that you take it just as hostility. When beekeepers get burned by some outfit , in most cases, they can only tell others to save them from the same fate. I was burned buy a beekeeper for $960 last year and he laughted in my face.My lawyer told me that we can win a judgement but not be able to collect. Just spread the word around to keep others from getting hurt.I have been in beekeeping for over 30 years. 99% are good people to work and deal with.The bad ones stand out because of beekeepers telling and asking other beekeepers, if the people are good.Waiting for bees for 3 months ,is 4 brood cycles. That can be worthless in some areas of the country with a short season.We just want to help each other. I think that is very positive. It is legal also , if you can back up your claims.This list can save some people from hardship , plus work at getting the bad guys there just reward. Best Regards Roy > Conrad Sigona wrote: > > > > Does anyone have experience buying package bees or queens from Blue Ridge > > > Apiaries? I would be interested in all comments, good or otherwise. Reply > > > directly to me at swintosk@timken.com. Thanks! > > > > The name sounds awfully familiar. If they're the guys in Cayce, South > > Carolina, stay away. They never deliver! One time I waited three months > > past the scheduled delivery date and still nothing. Everytime I called, > > they said it was ready to ship and I'd have it in a few days. Eventually, > > I gave up and asked for the money back. When the money didn't get refunded, > > I asked the credit card company to credit me. > > > > If I'm confusing these bums with a reputable firm, I ask Blue Ridge > > Apiaries to accept my apology. > > > > Conrad Sigona > > conrad@ntcnet.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:17:30 -0600 Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: RICHARD BARNES Subject: Re: FMGO for varroa - the Origins Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" All of my hives tested positive for mites 1-10 per ether roll. I treated in feb. and will check the mite concentration this next week. I did not loose any hives to mites over the winter, so I guess most beekeepers have learned to cope. P.S.: Cope could also mean get out of the business of beekeeping. Richard Barnes rbarnes@halnet.com At 09:16 AM 4/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >Changing the topic again: What's happening? Are the dreaded vampire mites >turned into pussycats this year or have beekeeepers learned to cope? > >What is going on? > >Allen > > >I think most beekeepers have adapted. I suffered a broken ankle last year >and was about 4 weeks later getting the Apistan in. The mites got 16 >colonies in the fall and more died in the winter even though they had >stores. I found mites last week in very strong hives when I started spring >treatment. > >Frank Humphrey >beekeepr@bellsouth.net > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:24:34 -0500 Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Dennis Scott Subject: Re: Web address to Montana State University online beehive project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Jerry sorry about the mix up in the schools. I look forward to watching this project, good luck. Dennis Scott -----Original Message----- From: Jerry J Bromenshenk To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 11:43 AM Subject: Re: Web address to Montana State University online beehive project >At 11:27 AM 3/31/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hi: > >This is not an Montana State University Project!!! Our sister institution >can't take credit for this project. They may have an entomology program, >but they don't work with bees. > >We do the bee research at THE UNIVERSITY OF MONTANA. > >Easy to remember, MSU is the home of the Bobcats. > >We are the home of the Grizzlies! Think about bears and bees. > >The hive was set up last Friday. The camera went on today. The flight >counters will be added in a couple of days (as soon as the bees learn how >to go in and out of the window entrance). > >Temperature probes, etc. will be added over the next few weeks. > >In the meantime, you can access a video camera mounted in the flight tube, >access the indoor and outdoor temperatures and barometric pressure, and >view some of our data from last summer from our home page at: > >http://www.umt.edu/biology/bees > > >DO NOT BOOKMARK THE CAMERA!!!! Currently it is hooked to a machine called >Yoda. This will shortly become BEEKEEPER. You can bookmark the main page, >but if you bookmark the camera, the link will fail in a few days. > >I am flying to MD and then to FL on Thursday to drive bees from GA back to >Baltimore - so beekeeping will take precedence over the fancy hive. > >But it is slowly getting there. > >Cheers > >Jerry > > >> Does any one out there have the web address to the M.S.U. online bee hive >>project. This is the one where they have the beehives hooked up to all kind >>of sensors and a camera. I lost my address when I had to reload my computer, >>any help with the address will be appreciated. >> >> Dennis Scott >> >> >Jerry J. Bromenshenk >Research Professor >The University of Montana-Missoula >jjbmail@selway.umt.edu >406-243-5648 >406-243-4184 >http://www.umt.edu/biology/bees > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:31:02 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Bee Works Subject: Re: Yugoslavian Carniolan In-Reply-To: <19980330.213517.8127.0.blthompson4@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 30 Mar 98 at 22:37, BRADLEY B THOMPSON wrote: > 1) What is a ARS Y-C-1 Carniolan Yugoslavian bee? And is it really > a mite resistant ? Buyer beware becomes more and more of a catch phrase. There is (to my knowledge) only one test program in the whole of North America for T-mite resistance, and that is run by the Ontario Bee Breeders Assoc. Any other claims without a proper, independant, test program is pure conjecture. Breeding from survivors is not a proof of resistance!! While advertisers advise "Just in case, medicate".At the same time claiming resistance defies description. ******************************************* The Bee Works,9 Progress Drive, Unit 2, Orillia,Ontario. L3V 6H1. Canada. Phone/Fax 705-326-7171 http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks Quality Bee Breeders. e-mail ***************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:31:03 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Bee Works Subject: Re: Help! abandon colony - response In-Reply-To: <05233382806430@yvn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 30 Mar 98 at 21:18, James C Bach wrote: > on my colonies for the last ten years. My HBTM levels have only > been about 10 to 15 percent, but the brood patterns have been less > than ideal, i.e. spotty. This lack of larval survival could account > for keeping the HBTM levels low. This year I'm going to withhold > patties (using only TM dust) on some of the colonies and see what > will happen to the HBTM levels in the treated and control colonies. My understanding of HBTM, is that it has no or little effect on brood patterns, it is strictly an young adult problem. Spotty brood patterns are caused by lack of diversity within the drone population and therefore forces the queen to lay diploid eggs, which are then eaten or removed by the workers. ******************************************* The Bee Works,9 Progress Drive, Unit 2, Orillia,Ontario. L3V 6H1. Canada. Phone/Fax 705-326-7171 http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks Quality Bee Breeders. e-mail ***************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:31:05 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Bee Works Subject: Re: stock selection In-Reply-To: <199804010206.SAA17106@mail.thegrid.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 31 Mar 98 at 18:05, Andy Nachbaur wrote: > Some may think this is a bee breeder problem but it is not because > most buyers want the queens then and must have them and not months > latter when they also are available and be better quality but would > have little value for making spring increase, so the buyer assumes > the risk getting queens in the spring and that they are different in > their life expectancy from year to year depending on the weather. This is why most Northern dealers are trying hard to re-educate bee keepers into making splits and re-queening later in the season.If one stops and considers all the facts they will find it makes a great deal of sense. The only advantage I can find to early splits etc. is a crop in the first year. But there are a host of disadvantages. ******************************************* The Bee Works,9 Progress Drive, Unit 2, Orillia,Ontario. L3V 6H1. Canada. Phone/Fax 705-326-7171 http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks Quality Bee Breeders. e-mail ***************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:31:11 EST Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Beekeeperc Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Apiaries Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Roy, I agree completly with you. It took almost a year to get my money back. Plus, countless phone calls and getting nothing but lies. Like I stated before I finally had to file a complaint for them to credit my account. Don't deal with the CRUD. Norm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:54:06 -0800 Reply-To: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: Re: USDA Opens Borders to Importation of New Zealand Bees? In-Reply-To: <15455661528841@internode.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:45 AM 4/1/98 -0600, you wrote: >Did anyone see this? Try http://www.usgov.gov/news/aprlflls/ a better place to start is this USDA search engine at: http://www.usda.gov/Harvest/brokers/USDA/ >(I take no responsibility for the content of that purported site and >advise readers to verify the facts before reacting. The purported article >is too long to quote here, so I'll just use a few lines here and there... >and you can search for the rest). >> USDA Opens Borders to Importation of New Zealand Bees APRIL FOOL! You dirty old man you got me but I needed to check in and see if anything new was going on at our USDA web sites anyway. I did find some interesting puff pieces from the USDA establishing some of the foundation for the ideas and bee research they may do or are doing. One of these I really found interesting is the idea that all varroa mites in the US are really European and the one's in South America are Asian and that explains why in South America the Vampire mites do NOT cause the dramatic reduction of bees they do in the US. To read about this go to: http://www.ars.usda.gov/afm/hrd/arspostdocs/guzman.html Another is the cure for mites being smaller size cells in foundation found at: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/beecells0597.htm Both of these could have been released on April 1, but sadly they were not and are the basis for USDA policy on these subjects today. Have a good one, April Fool... ttul, the OLd Drone See the "killer" flower at: http://209.76.50.54 (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:10:58 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Mite free bees! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, I checked my bees and all are perfect. It is time for me to let all the beekeeping world know the secrets of successful beekeeping. Guaranteed to keep your bees mite free as well as many other advantages. The process has been scientifically studied and the results of ten years of research is included. I started the process over ten years ago. It was a serendipitous discovery. I was tending my bees and noticed mites crawling from the hive. There were lines of them, single file, marching from the hives. I checked the interior of the hive and nothing was out of the norm. Using scientific methods, I looked for the obvious and there was only one thing in my environment that was different. New neighbors had moved in up the hill and they were playing sixties music at full volume. I got a decibel meter from the codes officer and determined they were off-scale. Maybe the loudness of the noise was driving the mites from the hive. But, as the summer progress, even though they continued to play the music at high volume, the mites did not leave the hive like they did the first day. I experimented. The BeeGees did not work. Bob Denver was a bust. Eventually I stumbled on Bob Dylan singing cum by ya . The mites left the hive in droves. And it did not matter what the volume level was. It worked even when near mute. So I recorded it on a endless loop tape and have been playing it in the apiary ever since. And what has happened? The Berlin wall went down. Communism fell. Bill Clinton was elected. The mites left the hive. All because I played the Bob Dylan tape, continuously every summer. It works! Guaranteed. You know it is true because it is on the Internet. Happy April first. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:16:25 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: Re: Pyke - natives vs exotics In-Reply-To: <980401.094925.EST.SYSAM@cnsibm.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:41 AM 4/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >Regarding the queries about Graham Pyke and assertions that (and I >paraphrase here) honeybees do not compete with native species, I draw >subscribers' attention to the previously discussed book >_The_Forgotten_Pollinators_ by Stephen L. Buchmann and Gary Paul Nabhan >(Island Press - ISBN 1-55963-352-2) in which there is a lengthy >discussion of this issue. Hi Arron & Bee Friends. First I believe that honeybees do compete with other species of insects and in fact come out on the short end in numerous times such as when the insect has better equipment for getting at the nectar or pollen. In some cases such as with the Blue Curl plant other numerous insect species get first shot as the early bloom is seldom attractive to honeybees other then for pollen and this is the time that dozens of others run out their short live cycle and work the blue curl for their own sugary food. Many plants are this way and one only has to know the frustration of having honeybees ready to do the job and fields of flowers only to watch as days or weeks go by before they seem to find the source. Nature seems to have provided for every other little creature before our honeybees get a whack at it. It is well to remember that most other species of pollinators as good as they may be have a much limited useful life cycle then honeybees have which we can be extended to year around by movement of them. Some of these so called farmers friends such as the blue orchard bee do not normally come out of their sleep early enough to pollinate early season crops such as almonds but this does not keep their proponuts from saying different. The worst of these so called scientific reports come out of one little USDA lab in Utah that never has put out a report on their study interests without putting down honeybees which is not in their area of expertise or have anything to do with their so called scientific research. As for Dr. Nabham ideas, having met him personally several times in the past and enjoying his book "The Desert Smells Like Rain" it is still my opinion that he is not qualified to do more then utter opinion on honeybees with the same value as most others looking for a cause to follow and I don't agree with what I have read from him when it comes to honeybees and would suggest that some environmental writers tend to follow the smell of money. He may have degrees in ethnobiology and plant ecology but lacks much when it comes to even a basic understanding of what beekeepers and beekeeping is about. In my opinion he as an author is typical of so many other authors who get lucky with their first book and try to capitalize on that moment of fame by doing more as in this latest attempt, he is way out of his depth and off my reading list for now. ttul, the OLd Drone ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:20:35 -0600 Reply-To: stroope@wt.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: jerry stroope Organization: Stroope Bee Subject: Re: Honey Board MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr. Thorpe- Your assumption is wrong. All honey produced in the U.S. (regardless of amount) is subject to the $0.01 per pound assessment. Beekeepers that produce less than 6,000 pounds ( I think) can apply for an exemption. Otherwise, any beekeeper that has not filed for an exemption and sells honey without paying the exemption is subject to fines on a per violation basis. Jerry Stroope Coalition of Maverick Beekeepers Co-Chairman Rett Thorpe wrote: > Am I right in my assumption that the Honey Board only has jurisdiction > over commercial beekeepers, and not us hobbyists? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:55:58 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Steve & Gail Subject: Honey bees vs native bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On April 1, Aaron wrote to the effect that honey bees may not be as effective pollinators as native bees because they moisten pollen with nectar in order to keep the pollen loads intact on the corbiculae. It was suggested that moistened pollen does not get transferred efficiently to a stigma (pistil). I believe that pollination, by bees in general, is effected by the pollen clinging (by electrostatic charge) to the branched hairs which cover the bees body. This pollen will be transferred to a stigma if the bee brushes against it while collecting either pollen or nectar. The pollen carried on the scopa (corbicula, for honey bee) of any bee is completely removed from any part of the pollination process. This is an interesting thread, since many flowering plant species over the globe are endangered, for one or more reasons. All the best to those who provide pollination services. Steve Mitchell Steve and Gail Mitchell Van Isle Apiaries 4820 Wilson Rd. Duncan, BC V9L 6L6 Phone/Fax(250)746-9916 sgmitch@cow-net.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:08:08 -1000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Walter Patton Subject: Re: USDA Opens Borders to Importation of New Zealand Bees? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Allen Dick > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: USDA Opens Borders to Importation of New Zealand Bees? > Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 4:45 AM > > Did anyone see this? Try http://www.usgov.gov/news/aprlflls/ > > ... in contemplating the meaning of this report, readers are advised to > consider the date of its transmission... Great post Allen Walter April 1st.1998 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:25:37 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Barricklow, Walt" Subject: Blue ridge. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just got the first of my bee packages in their new homes today. I think that this was the first day this week that it rained, and my bees were not happy campers. But they all went into the hive and I think they were glad to be out of the rain too. Im waiting until tomorrow when the sun is supposed to shine to put out the rest. I just wanted to get a headstart for this bunch. The strawberries are already blooming and the cantalope is already in the ground. I got my bees from Blueridge, They were ready on the date, and the time that I was supposed to pick them up. I just drove up and they were loaded, and I left. It looks like it is going to be a good year. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:34:57 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Bee Works Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens In-Reply-To: <"NPlex-HUB-980301103712(08062)*/S=BOGANSRJ/PRMD=apci/ADMD=attmail/C=us/"@MHS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 1 Apr 98 at 10:31, Ron Bogansky wrote: > I have a question on Buckfast queens. I did a search in the > archives and found many posts but none really answered my question. > Does the Buckfast breed true? Assuming there are Buckfast drones > will the daughters still be Buckfast, and if so how many generations > (practical) will still be Buckfast? My understanding is as follows. Unless you have a closed mating or insemination of the first queen by Buckfast drones any mating that follows will produce an F1 hybrid. Especially if the drones available are from a different strain, ie. Italian, carniolan etc. In it's self, not a bad thing, as often you will get the best of both sides. The problem arises at the second offspring, as you have seen they can get nasty. It's very unpredictable, which is why it is not advisable to breed from production queens, unless you can take the time to select out the bad traits, then you become a breeder!!! If you want to breed, buy breeder queens. ******************************************* The Bee Works, 9 Progress Dr, Unit 2, Orillia, Ontario, L3V 6H1 Phone/fax 705-326-7171 David Eyre, Owner. http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks e-mail ******************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:46:15 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Midnitebee Subject: Re: Blue ridge. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holly-B Apiary P.O.Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -----Original Message----- From: Barricklow, Walt To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 3:35 PM Subject: Blue ridge. >>They were ready on the date, >and the time that I was supposed to pick them up. I just drove up and they >were loaded, and I left. AHA!!..so that's the solution..YOU must drive to their establishmnet to actually obtain you bees..thanks for the info. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:08:10 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: FAITHAB Subject: Addresses needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Could someonoe please send me the telephone number of the Ross Bee Company in Ga? I have a friend who is looking to buy bees and all by files are at my Virginia house. I could use a couple of other numbers too, in case Ross is out. Thanks alot Faith Andrews Bedford Tampa and Ivy, VA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:15:43 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Midnitebee Subject: Re: Addresses needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! ROSSMAN APIARIES, INC. Moultrie, GA. 31776-0905 phone: 912-985-7200 or 1-800-333-7677 fax: 912-985-0209 you must have meant "Rossman"? Holly-B Apiary P.O.Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -----Original Message----- From: FAITHAB To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 4:09 PM Subject: Addresses needed >Could someonoe please send me the telephone number of the Ross Bee Company in >Ga? I have a friend who is looking to buy bees and all by files are at my >Virginia house. I could use a couple of other numbers too, in case Ross is >out. Thanks alot > >Faith Andrews Bedford >Tampa and Ivy, VA > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:27:30 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Midnitebee Subject: hive paint/preservative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! Is it not true that you should paint your hives a dark color and besides why paint hives at all?..the wood needs to breathe . Is it not comprehensible to realize that the pores of the wood helps to rid the extra moisture than having the bees expel this moisture through the entrance? Try to use wood that has a vertical grain ..helps in moisture release. Why have my bees do this extra work..I want them busy collecting pollen/nectar. Comments? Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee CarlB fish wrote in message <1998033123255801.SAA15740@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >>If the JASCO is no good, can anyone suggest brand names, >>so I can shop for this with a bit more confidence? > >I like to use plain 'ol exterior latex paint ( any brand) ,most commercial >beekeepers I know have been using white exterior grade latex paint. Its >relatively non-toxic to both bees and beekeeper. For my Home /hobby hives I >like the natural appearance of wood. Ive been using a new water base exterior >varnish from Varathane under the brand name of ' diamond finish' . It looks >great and dries in two hours !...thats if you like the natural look. Holly-B Apiary P.O.Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:35:51 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Resistence to trachel mite There has been discussion on this subject, particularly concerning the ARS Y-C-1 Carnolian Yugoslavian bee. I seem to recall that this strain has not had a good reputation for honey production. David Eyre referenced the breeding program in Ontario. Interested persons might want to visit Sue Cobey's site at http://iris.biosci.ohio-state.Edu/honeybee/breeding/Images/Homepage.GI I have a lot of respect for Ms. Cobey and she seems to be doing some amazing things on tracheal resistance. Once at the site, click on "New World Carnolian". Ms. Cobey told me that when the New World Carnolian program was started that the stock from Hastings was very important. He was in Birch Hills, Sask.. I haven't heard anything about his program (North of the Agricultural Zone) in a few years. Anyone know if he is still producing queens? Lloyd LloydSpear@email.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:58:18 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: NHB assessment Jerry Stroope correctly told Mr.. Thorpe that all honey produced is subject to the NHB assessment, and that small producers can apply for an exemption. However, one should not assume that the NHB is going to hound any small beekeeper for not paying or applying for an exemption. I know as a fact that the NHB does not even try to enforce these provisions. The money collected would not be worth their efforts, and a lot of ill will would be generated. They are well aware of both factors. On the other hand, in my experience the NHB personnel are VERY, VERY helpful to any beekeeper, large or small, dues paying or not, who calls with inquiries. If they have information, they are quick to share it. If they don't have the information requested they are very willing to provide helpful references. I happen to own Ross Rounds, Inc. Early this year one of my commercial customers called with a question I couldn't answer. I called the NHB and they shared with me their wealth of information on the subject...and referred me to another person concerning an item of detail they did not have. He was also very helpful. While I've never paid the NHB a cent, this year I will gladly send them around $50, which will be my one cent a pound. In my opinion, any hobbyist or sideliner beekeeper looking for ideas on how to sell honey would be well-served to visit http://www.nhb.com. If you want more information, call them. I think you will find them very helpful and I'll be astounded if they even ask if you pay your assessment. On the other hand, if you find their information useful and profitable I'm certain they will accept your "contribution", and it will probably be a bargain. Lloyd LloydSpear@email.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:40:38 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Re: Addresses needed You mean Rossman Apiaries in Moultrie, GA? If you do number is 800-333-7677. -----Original Message----- From: FAITHAB To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 4:08 PM Subject: Addresses needed >Could someonoe please send me the telephone number of the Ross Bee Company in >Ga? I have a friend who is looking to buy bees and all by files are at my >Virginia house. I could use a couple of other numbers too, in case Ross is >out. Thanks alot > >Faith Andrews Bedford >Tampa and Ivy, VA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:49:12 -0800 Reply-To: dadant@dadant.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Terry Avise Organization: Dadant & Sons Inc Subject: Re: Finding Stuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guy F. Miller wrote: > > At 12:16 PM 3/30/98 -0600, you wrote: > >From: kferner > >To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > > > >Hi, I am working on doing a presentation on beekeeping for kids in > >school and libraries. I am looking for honey sample packs to be able to > >pass out to the kids to taste honey, or something along that line, and > >also for anything else I could use to show these kids about beekeeping. > >My husband is a beekeeper and I am his "helper" so I already have a suit > >and tools and I will use a hive box and a super with frames to "try" to > >explain the process, keeping it as simple as possible. Anyone know of > >any other educational tools I might use to help create this program?? I > >remember seeing some advertised in one of our beekeeping journals, but > >can't find it. > > > >THanks for any help. > >Karen > > > Karen, I do about ten of these a year in and around Charlottesville, > Virginia. I take a squeeze bottle of honey with me, and it is the last > event of a 20-25 minute pitch on honey bees. I first ask if anyone isn't > supposed to eat candy or sweets, then tell them that they should get in line > and stick out their cleanest finger (that's a laugh watching them deciding > which is best,) lick the honey off IMMEDIATELY, and then go to the sink to > wash it off. I put a drop or two on each finger, being careful not to touch > anyone's finger. I hold their hand and fingers so they don't lift up and > touch the spout. > > Early on in the session, I show them a frame of foundation, one that is > drawn out, and the third full of honey, and explain what has happened and how. > > Typically I go to K and 1st grade classes, with an occasional event at a > nursing home or the Senior Center. My last time at a nursing home, one lady > kept asking, "Are you done yet?" Doesn't do much for morale! I don't > recommend nursing homes. > > Guy F. Miller "Start every day with a smile, and get it over with." > Charlottesville. VA W.C. Fields Hello Karen, If you send me your address, I will send a bee coloring book for you to have. As long as you do not sell the book, we will allow you to make copies of the pages to hand out to school children. We have some other promotional material I will include for you to review. Some of it may be relevant for older school children. Regards, Terry -- Dadant & Sons Inc 51 South Second St Hamilton, IL 62341 Manufacturers and Suppliers of Beekeeping Equipment Publishers of American Bee Journal Manufacturers of Religious & Decorative Candles Phone 217-847-3324 Fax 217-847-3660 email Dadant@dadant.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:06:42 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Ian Watson Subject: Urgent need for Equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all I called up Walter Kelley's bee supply company today and was told that they are out of stock on a lot of equipment, namely complete hives. They have available the individual parts, but this results in significantly higher costs. My brother and I have ordered queens for splits and requeening, and they are due in 3 to 4 weeks, and I am wondering if anyone can tell me who has the best prices for equipment in the US or Canada. Kelley's are good, but I can't wait till they are re-stocked. Thanks, Ian Watson realtor@niagara.com real estate agent gardener baritone beekeeper---> 6 colonies and increasing ;) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:21:34 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: hive paint/preservative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Herb, Unpainted hives will also absorb outside moisture, like rain, and make the job even worse for the bees. I do paint them dark, but we can get away with that in Maine. In warmer climates you could bake the bees. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Midnitebee wrote: > Greetings! > Is it not true that you should paint your hives a dark color and besides why > paint hives at all?..the wood needs to breathe . > Is it not comprehensible to realize that the pores of the wood helps to rid > the extra moisture than having the bees expel this moisture through the > entrance? > Try to use wood that has a vertical grain ..helps in moisture release. > Why have my bees do this extra work..I want them busy collecting > pollen/nectar. > Comments? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:37:51 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Midnitebee Subject: Re: hive paint/preservative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holly-B Apiary P.O.Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -----Original Message----- >Herb, >Unpainted hives will also absorb outside moisture, like rain, and make the job >even worse for the bees. I do paint them dark, but we can get away with that in >Maine. In warmer climates you could bake the bees. >Bill Truesdell >Bath, ME thanks....I could never be an editor..I always seem to forget to mention 'other' pertainent information..like, I use a wood preservative called "Woodguard"..all my hives have this preservative. It is approved by the USDA and EPA..you can buy "Woodguard" at any "Sherwin Williams" store. Does a nice job keeping rain/moisture out. Herb > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:04:03 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Computer Software Solutions Ltd Subject: Mixing Bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All I came across a statement from an experienced beekeeper recently, to the effect that if you mix bees from three hives that they will not fight. Suppose that you have two hives A and B beside one another. Move both several metres away, and place Hive C half way between where A and B stood. You will now end up mixing in C, the bees from A B and C and according to my friend - no fighting. Comments please for which I will be grateful. Sincerely Tom Barrett 49 South Park Foxrock Dublin 18 Ireland e mail cssl@iol.ie Tel + 353 1 289 5269 Fax + 353 1 289 9940 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:13:01 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Re: Urgent need for Equipment Try Betterbee. 800-632-3379. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Watson To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 5:08 PM Subject: Urgent need for Equipment >Hi all > >I called up Walter Kelley's bee supply company today and was told that >they are out of stock on a lot of equipment, namely complete hives. >They have available the individual parts, but this results in significantly >higher costs. >My brother and I have ordered queens for splits and requeening, and they >are due in 3 to 4 weeks, and I am wondering if anyone can tell me who >has the best prices for equipment in the US or Canada. Kelley's are good, >but I can't wait till they are re-stocked. > >Thanks, > >Ian Watson realtor@niagara.com >real estate agent gardener baritone >beekeeper---> 6 colonies and increasing ;) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:25:30 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Bill Bartlett Subject: FGMO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A few more words on FGMO. I checked 4 more of my hives yesterday. (Southern Maryland , USA) If you remember from a previous post I used Apistan in the early Spring and then just FGMO. Only lost one hive and I think I know why. It was raining today, so I did not look in the last 4 hives. (have 3 out yards) So it has been almost one year of using nothing else but FGMO and I have more bees then I have seen in 7 or 8 years. Now, I realize that this year has been different than most years in the past. There was also a question about using control hives. Since I have tried almost everything that has been suggested and still lost too many colonies, I figuired that Dr. Rodriguez did all the leg work and it was there for me to try. From the talk I hear at bee meetings, seems like many of my beekeeeping friends are doing well this year with most using Apistan and grease patties. None are using FGMO. If I can continue to use the FGMO and find that things are going one way or the other I post a short note to the effect. Soooo Far....... You can't argue with success! billy bee ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:24:08 +0100 Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: BIRKEY.COM Subject: Re: Urgent need for Equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Watson wrote: > are due in 3 to 4 weeks, and I am wondering if anyone can tell me who > has the best prices for equipment in the US or Canada. Kelley's are good, I do, I make 'em myself :>) -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:55:51 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Re: Ohio State/Ms. Cobey Comments: To: Midnitebee Herb at Midnitebee could not use the web site I referenced for New World Carnolians resistant to tracheal mite. I had difficulty also, but that is the address on my bookmark. I changed it to http://iris.biosci.ohio-state.Edu/honeybee/breeding/ and it worked just fine. Try that. Lloyd LloydSpear@email.msn.com -----Original Message----- From: Midnitebee To: LloydSpear@email.msn.com Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 4:49 PM Subject: Ohio State/Ms. Cobey >Greetings! >I am unable to connect to this site..is it correct? >Herb > >http://iris.biosci.ohio-state.Edu/honeybee/breeding/Images/Homepage.GI >Holly-B Apiary >P.O.Box 26 >Wells,Maine 04090-0026 >http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:07:09 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Barry Davies Organization: Davies Apiaries / Barry & Freda Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excerpts from BEE-L wrote: > > From: Ron Bogansky > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > > I have a question on Buckfast queens. I did a search in the archives and > found many posts but none really answered my question. Does the Buckfast > breed true? The pedigree system developed by Brother Adam is a line breeding system in which a pure bred Buckfast queen is mated in isolation to a known drone source so controlled mating is required if the the queen is to breed true. Assuming there are Buckfast drones will the daughters still be Buckfast, Without controlled mating these will not be Buckfast, and future generations will not be Buckfast. and if so how many generations (practical) will still be Buckfast? > > >Trust this answers your question. Regards >-- Barry RR#1 Seeleys Bay ON. KOH 2NO Tel. 613 387 3171 Buckfast Queens: Buckfast is the registered trademark of Dart Abbey Enterprises Ltd. used under licence by Barry Davies ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:14:20 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Jeffrey R. Hills" Subject: Re: Honey Board MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking only for myself ... I would quit beekeeping if I thought anybody from any Honey Board had any jurisdiction over me and my bees. Jeff Hills Rett Thorpe wrote: > Am I right in my assumption that the Honey Board only has jurisdiction > over commercial beekeepers, and not us hobbyists? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:16:20 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Jeffrey R. Hills" Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Apiaries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As regards Blue Ridge, I could not agree more. I am talking about the constant insulting and fighting that goes on all the time on this list. Best regards, Jeff Hills Roy Nettlebeck wrote: > On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Jeffrey R. Hills wrote: > > > I would want to be fairly certain about whom I was talking, if I were making the > > comments below. > > JRH > > P.S. I am in several other special-interest groups. This one takes the cake for > > the level > > of hostility. > Hi Jeffrey, > > I'm sorry that you take it just as hostility. When beekeepers get burned > by some outfit , in most cases, they can only tell others to save them > from the same fate. I was burned buy a beekeeper for $960 last year and he > laughted in my face.My lawyer told me that we can win a judgement but not > be able to collect. Just spread the word around to keep others from > getting hurt.I have been in beekeeping for over 30 years. 99% are good > people to work and deal with.The bad ones stand out because of beekeepers > telling and asking other beekeepers, if the people are good.Waiting for > bees for 3 months ,is 4 brood cycles. That can be worthless in some areas > of the country with a short season.We just want to help each other. I > think that is very positive. It is legal also , if you can back up your > claims.This list can save some people from hardship , plus work at getting > the bad guys there just reward. > Best Regards > Roy > > > Conrad Sigona wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone have experience buying package bees or queens from Blue Ridge > > > > Apiaries? I would be interested in all comments, good or otherwise. Reply > > > > directly to me at swintosk@timken.com. Thanks! > > > > > > The name sounds awfully familiar. If they're the guys in Cayce, South > > > Carolina, stay away. They never deliver! One time I waited three months > > > past the scheduled delivery date and still nothing. Everytime I called, > > > they said it was ready to ship and I'd have it in a few days. Eventually, > > > I gave up and asked for the money back. When the money didn't get refunded, > > > I asked the credit card company to credit me. > > > > > > If I'm confusing these bums with a reputable firm, I ask Blue Ridge > > > Apiaries to accept my apology. > > > > > > Conrad Sigona > > > conrad@ntcnet.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:41:32 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "A.S.CHESNICK" Organization: LPA Subject: beekeepers in gettysburg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit are there any beekeepers in the gettysburg area? i might want to buy a swarm of bees or maybe some used equipment. thanks ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:12:53 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Gary Bradshaw Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens In-Reply-To: <"NPlex-HUB-980301103712(08062)*/S=BOGANSRJ/PRMD=apci/ADMD=attmail/C=us/"@MHS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ron You have had the classic experience with the Starlines when they supercede. The Starline is a four-way cross hybrid which when it 'back crosses' results ina very nasty bee. I do not believe that the same is true of the other hybrids - at least I have never heard such. I believe that Larry Connor was instrumental in the development of the Starline (correct me if I'm wrong Larry) and could give a good explanation of the genetic problem. Gary Bradshaw > -----Original Message----- > From: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology > [mailto:BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU]On Behalf Of Ron Bogansky > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 10:31 AM > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Buckfast Queens > > > Hi Gang, > I have a question on Buckfast queens. I did a search in the archives and > found many posts but none really answered my question. Does the Buckfast > breed true? Assuming there are Buckfast drones will the > daughters still be > Buckfast, and if so how many generations (practical) will still > be Buckfast? > > > I have a colony that had a Starline queen that was superseded > sometime late > last season. Other that I noticed that the marked queen was gone > the colony > seemed OK. I decided to let go through winter and probably requeen in the > spring. I checked that colony this week and they were extremely > aggressive, > especially compared to all the other colonies. They followed me > back to the > truck and would not give up. I did not see the queen but there was plenty > of eggs and brood so she was there. She may be a second or third > generation > queen, but one things for sure, she's history. > > I have never used Buckfast, but my daughter is in an agricultural class > where she and three other students will be starting colonies for > a project. > They ordered packages with Buckfast queens. I am assuming that with all > the inexperienced handling they will be doing, a queen may be injured and > replaced. I would not want these young beekeepers to come away with a bad > and "painful" experience because of an aggressive colony. I do plan on > trying to help these students. > > One humorous side note. This ag project requires a student to raise an > animal for market. When my daughter told me she chose bees I told her I > would give her whatever equipment she needed and we would make a split in > April. I also told her I would start nucs for the other > students. She said > no that the teacher had order packages, but had suggested that my daughter > use one of my colonies. She declined and said she wanted a package. I > asked her why. She said she told the teacher she wanted to do the same as > the other students, but she told me that when school is over they > take them > home. This way we get a "free" hive. > > Why don't I think like that? Maybe she should run the operation and I > should work for her, although she would probably make me take a pay cut. > > Any information on the Buckfast question would be appreciated. > > Ron Bogansky > Kutztown, PA > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:12:58 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Gary Bradshaw Subject: Re: FMGO for varroa - the Origins In-Reply-To: <199804011617.AA01660@interlock.halnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01BD5DAA.9044E6A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BD5DAA.9044E6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Coping may well mean going out of business if the fluvalinate resistant mite in Florida are brought up the East coast this season. www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mediaweb/98infr0311.html Gary Bradshaw > -----Original Message----- > From: INFORMED Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology > [mailto:BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU]On Behalf Of RICHARD BARNES > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 11:18 AM > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: FMGO for varroa - the Origins > > > All of my hives tested positive for mites 1-10 per ether roll. I > treated in > feb. and will check the mite concentration this next week. I did > not loose > any hives to mites over the winter, so I guess most beekeepers > have learned > to cope. P.S.: Cope could also mean get out of the business of > beekeeping. > > Richard Barnes > rbarnes@halnet.com > > > At 09:16 AM 4/1/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Changing the topic again: What's happening? Are the dreaded > vampire mites > >turned into pussycats this year or have beekeeepers learned to cope? > > > >What is going on? > > > >Allen > > > > > >I think most beekeepers have adapted. I suffered a broken ankle > last year > >and was about 4 weeks later getting the Apistan in. The mites got 16 > >colonies in the fall and more died in the winter even though they had > >stores. I found mites last week in very strong hives when I > started spring > >treatment. > > > >Frank Humphrey > >beekeepr@bellsouth.net > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BD5DAA.9044E6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BD5DAA.9044E6A0-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:19:01 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Ian Watson Subject: equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all again I received a few answers to my question about the best price for equipment, and I thank those who answered. But out of over 600 people I thought there would be more...:) I just wanted to reiterate my question, since time is of the essence. Who have you found to have the best prices for woodenware..brood boxes, frames, bottom boards, etc..... Thanks, Ian Watson, trying not to be tedious...;) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:25:48 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Gary Bradshaw Subject: Re: Help! abandon colony - response Comments: To: beeworks@muskoka.net In-Reply-To: <19980401163215350.AAD154@Default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Spotty brood patterns are caused by > lack of diversity And what might your definition of this be? Gary >within the > drone population and therefore forces the queen to lay diploid eggs, > which are then eaten or removed by the workers. > > ******************************************* > The Bee Works,9 Progress Drive, Unit 2, > Orillia,Ontario. L3V 6H1. Canada. > Phone/Fax 705-326-7171 > http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks > Quality Bee Breeders. > e-mail > ***************************************** > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:38:33 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: Re: NHB assessment, potlicks In-Reply-To: <09acf4333210148UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:58 PM 4/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >I know as a fact that the NHB does not even try to enforce these provisions. >The money collected would not be worth their efforts, and a lot of ill will >would be generated. They are well aware of both factors. Hi Lloyd, I would like to present for your and others consideration another point of view about spending honey money and the NHB. I am not sure if we know the whole story or not but some of the efforts by the NHB to collect very small sums of money from small producer-packers compare to what you would expect from a totalitarian state but not unexpected as the NHB grows richer, at least from stories told this reporter. More times then not the NHB has been nothing more then a bank for honey producers money waiting for an embezzler to come in with a fancy proposal to relive them of what was our honey money. >On the other hand, in my experience the NHB personnel are VERY, VERY helpful >to any beekeeper, large or small, dues paying or not, who calls with >inquiries. If they have information, they are quick to share it. If they >don't have the information requested they are very willing to provide >helpful references. I can believe this for a fact as that's their job and they can afford it the information, service, and products they produce are for public consumption and we all are part of that group. I can tell you that some of us whom they believe may be able to influence others have in the past been treated to some very special favors, but that is another story. >have. He was also very helpful. While I've never paid the NHB a cent, this >year I will gladly send them around $50, which will be my one cent a pound. Each to his own and for sure if I was a manufacture who depended on the good will of my customers I would have a little different prospective on my public politics then what I now have. I would say for the $50 you are going to donate you could buy a small add in your local shopper magazine and increase your own presence in the market actually increasing sales or you could make/buy hand outs or container ties for the honey you now sell if you don't need additional sales. You for sure can enhance the product you sell by returning capital to upgrade the labels, jars, and in hundreds of other ways putting yourself out front of the competition or just making it a more happy day for your honey customers, not all that bad of an idea even if novel by most standards. For a fact the NHB does many wonderful and useful things, but for the money it costs us they should be dong just that and a lot more. We all should be able to measure some difference and yet all that can be measured is the number of dollars they have spent, no problem has been solved and in fact the NHB biggest problem is finding ways to spend our money as it does not look good to have it piling up in the bank. I believe these things would be far better if done by individual packers in the industry. Some in the industry do just that, some of which has as great or grater value then what the NHB does and these firms are penalized by having to pay for what they do for themselves and watch as their efforts are duplicated at much inflated costs with money they are forced by law to donate to the NHB. I am sure in this declining honey producer market it will not be hard to figure out who really is going to pay these extra costs. The real story is that a lot more would/could be done by individual packers good or bad but like all things when the government gets into the act it soon becomes "leave it up to big brother" as most know they can not compete with the government. Few believe the government can do it cheaper or better but allow them to hide behind a label such as NHB and most forget who they really are.. " I am from the government and here to help you." long recognized as one of the great lies has been replaced by "I am funded because of the government and I am here to help you." In both cases there is never any consideration of the fact that we as individuals may be better able to identify and solve our own problems if left alone and allowed to do it. If the collective efforts ran by the NHB worked so well we would not be forever digging into our pockets to funding so many so called emergency programs such as the funds gathered by state, and national organizations to fight adulteration, unfair foreign competition, just two of many efforts that come to mind. It is interesting to know that now that the NHB has solved all problems in the marketing of honey for the honey industry they are going to take on the beekeeping research problems for us, using honey industry money. I can only guess how that will turn out and bet it won't be one of those sweet dreams. Would not surprise me to see the NHB expand their taxing base by a per colony tax as queen breeders, some pollinators and other that do not produce much honey need to pay their fair share. Then soon there will be a discovery that those who produce and sell equipment are not paying their fair share and so on... In any case I commend all for any donation they make to the NHB or any other charity. ttul, the OLd Drone http://209.76.50.54 or you can duke it out first at: http://209.76.50.54/game/dragdrop.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:57:47 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Tom McCaffrey Subject: Re: Renewal of your subscription to the BEE-L list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don Moore wrote: > > >Return-path: > >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:01:15 -0500 > >From: > > "L-Soft list server at University at Albany (1.8c)" > > >Subject: Renewal of your subscription to the BEE-L list > >To: Don Moore > >X-LSV-ListID: BEE-L > > > >Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:01:15 > > > >Your subscription to the BEE-L list is due for renewal. If you wish to > >remain subscribed to BEE-L, please issue the following command to > >LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU at your earliest convenience: > > > > CONFIRM BEE-L > > > >You will be automatically removed from the list if you do not send a > >CONFIRM command within the next 14 days. > > > >PS: In order to facilitate the task, this message has been specially > >formatted so that you only need to forward it back to > >LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU to have the command executed. Note that while > >the formats produced by the forwarding function of most mail packages are > >supported, replying will seldom work, so make sure to forward and not > >reply. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >// JOB > >CONFIRM BEE-L > >// EOJ > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:58:18 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Tom McCaffrey Subject: Re: Renewal of your subscription to the BEE-L list (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gerard Worrell wrote: > > Gerard P.Worrell Beekeeper, Gardener,Shepherd > worrell@cbl.umces.edu or worrell@chesapeake.net > 3575 Ferry Landing Rd Dunkirk,MD 20754-9651 (410)257-3267 > Past Pres. Assoc. of Southern MD Beekeepers > Life member MD State Beekeepers Association,VP for Calvert Co. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:00:07 -0500 > From: "L-Soft list server at University at Albany (1.8c)" > > To: "Gerard P.Worrell" > Subject: Renewal of your subscription to the BEE-L list > > Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:00:07 > > Your subscription to the BEE-L list is due for renewal. If you wish to > remain subscribed to BEE-L, please issue the following command to > LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU at your earliest convenience: > > CONFIRM BEE-L > > You will be automatically removed from the list if you do not send a > CONFIRM command within the next 14 days. > > PS: In order to facilitate the task, this message has been specially > formatted so that you only need to forward it back to > LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU to have the command executed. Note that while > the formats produced by the forwarding function of most mail packages are > supported, replying will seldom work, so make sure to forward and not > reply. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > // JOB > CONFIRM BEE-L > // EOJ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:05:01 -0600 Reply-To: rcanaday@ionet.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Roy Canaday Subject: Re: NHB assessment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Couldn't get the link on the post to get me where I wanted to go, but this worked a little better, http://www.nhb.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:18:54 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: GImasterBK Subject: Re: stock selection Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well said, Andy! Should be required reading. For years, I requeen every September, but few will; and then they bitch about no good queens or the lousy queen breeder. Darn shame. George Imirie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:27:57 -0800 Reply-To: jcbach@yvn.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: James C Bach Subject: HBTM, Varroa and spotty brood MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Eyre didn't catch my intent in connecting HBTM and spotty brood patterns. My purpose was to say that anything which interrupts brood development, such as a spotty brood pattern, will also result in a lower level of HBTM or Varroa. Less bees to act as host, less brood to raise Varroa in, equals lower pest levels. It may be that a spotty brood pattern, i.e. cells where larvae has been removed, is random enough to prevent the pest from obtaining highly successful reproductive levels. James C. Bach jcbach@yvn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:48:22 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Gary Bradshaw Subject: Re: Honey Board In-Reply-To: <3522D85C.B035E00@sover.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't quit but here is how the NHB form OMB No. 0581-0153 reads: "Persons eligible for an exemption include those who: a. Produce or import a total quantity of less than 6,000 pounds of honey within a calendar year, and such honey is distributed directly through local retail outlets such as roadside stands, farmers markets, or groceries, and/or b. consume their honey at home, and/or c. donate their honey to a nonprofit, government, or other entity, rather than sell such honey. Honey that is donated and later sold in a commercial outlet by a donee or donee's agent is not eligible for exemption." There is no distinction regarding hobby, sideliner or commercial beekeeper Gary Bradshaw > -----Original Message----- > From: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology > [mailto:BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU]On Behalf Of Jeffrey R. Hills > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 7:14 PM > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: Honey Board > > > Speaking only for myself ... I would quit beekeeping if I thought anybody > from any Honey Board had any jurisdiction over me and my bees. > Jeff Hills > > Rett Thorpe wrote: > > > Am I right in my assumption that the Honey Board only has jurisdiction > > over commercial beekeepers, and not us hobbyists? > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:50:59 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: GImasterBK Subject: Re: Addresses needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If you are talking about ROSSMAN apiaries in Moultrie, GA, the phone number is 1-800-333-7677. Fred Rossman is a great guy. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:55:00 -0800 Reply-To: jcbach@yvn.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: James C Bach Subject: FGMO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Bartlett says that he used Apistan in the early spring and then just FGMO and had good results. That is just what might be expected. Apistan can reduce Varroa populations by 99 percent. That will leave very few mites to build up during the first year, depending on the weather, brood survivability, weather patterns, colony swarming, and other factors. Some damage to the colony (absconding of old bees) may occur in the fall but is often overlooked by beekeepers. It would appear that Bill's success is anecdotal like all of the testimonials on FGMO that I've read on this list. Bill doesn't say how many times he applied FGMO (I'm thinking of time and costs). Lets see how he reports his success this fall (the second year) with and without Apistan or FGMO. And lets hope he will have his bees tested for HBTM, and uses Apistan with a sticky board to determine his Varroa count, prior to his treatments next spring. I haven't seen anything yet which I would consider sufficient, or scientific evidence that FGMO works on HBTM or Varroa, has any significant effect on them, or is a cost effective way to lower mite levels some significant percentage. James C. Bach WSDA State Apiarist jcbach@yvn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:58:58 -0600 Reply-To: gmc@vci.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: beeman Organization: Honey Ridge Apiaries Subject: [Fwd: Renewal of your subscription to the BEE-L list] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------45510508756BC2943B9BEFC8" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------45510508756BC2943B9BEFC8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CONFIRM BEE-L --------------45510508756BC2943B9BEFC8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (uacsc2.albany.edu [169.226.1.21]) by access.vci.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA21926 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 05:01:06 -0600 Message-Id: <199804011101.FAA21926@access.vci.net> Received: by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 4917 ; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 06:03:29 EST Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@ALBNYVM1) by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (LMail V1.2c/1.8c) with BSMTP id 8775; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:01:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:01:12 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Albany (1.8c)" Subject: Renewal of your subscription to the BEE-L list To: "Jon B. Bee" X-LSV-ListID: BEE-L Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:01:12 Your subscription to the BEE-L list is due for renewal. If you wish to remain subscribed to BEE-L, please issue the following command to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU at your earliest convenience: CONFIRM BEE-L You will be automatically removed from the list if you do not send a CONFIRM command within the next 14 days. PS: In order to facilitate the task, this message has been specially formatted so that you only need to forward it back to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU to have the command executed. Note that while the formats produced by the forwarding function of most mail packages are supported, replying will seldom work, so make sure to forward and not reply. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- // JOB CONFIRM BEE-L // EOJ --------------45510508756BC2943B9BEFC8-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:02:44 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: Re: FGMO In-Reply-To: <03000870300164@yvn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:55 PM 4/1/98 -0800, you wrote: Why not use your own position in Washington state to set up your own experiments? >It would appear that Bill's success is anecdotal like all of the >testimonials on FGMO that I've read on this list. >James C. Bach >WSDA State Apiarist >jcbach@yvn.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:30:44 -1000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Walter Patton Subject: Re: Honey Board MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listen Up Folks We Need To Control Our Destiny With The NHB Walt in Hawaii ---------- > From: Gary Bradshaw > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: Honey Board > Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 4:48 PM > > Don't quit but here is how the NHB form OMB No. 0581-0153 reads: > > "Persons eligible for an exemption include those who: > a. Produce or import a total quantity of less than 6,000 pounds of honey > within a calendar year, and such honey is distributed directly through local > retail outlets such as roadside stands, farmers markets, or groceries, > and/or > > b. consume their honey at home, and/or > > c. donate their honey to a nonprofit, government, or other entity, rather > than sell such honey. Honey that is donated and later sold in a commercial > outlet by a donee or donee's agent is not eligible for exemption." > > There is no distinction regarding hobby, sideliner or commercial beekeeper > > Gary Bradshaw > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology > > [mailto:BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU]On Behalf Of Jeffrey R. Hills > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 7:14 PM > > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > > Subject: Re: Honey Board > > > > > > Speaking only for myself ... I would quit beekeeping if I thought anybody > > from any Honey Board had any jurisdiction over me and my bees. > > Jeff Hills > > > > Rett Thorpe wrote: > > > > > Am I right in my assumption that the Honey Board only has jurisdiction > > > over commercial beekeepers, and not us hobbyists? > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:57:44 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Midnitebee Subject: Re: FGMO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Andy Nachbaur To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 11:03 PM Subject: Re: FGMO >At 06:55 PM 4/1/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Why not use your own position in Washington state to set up your own >experiments? > >>It would appear that Bill's success is anecdotal like all of the >>testimonials on FGMO that I've read on this list. just for curiosity sake..have you read Dr.Rodriquez's "formula" for essential oil treatments? His "study" is located at my home page..http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ study #2 has a "p.s." note. Herb(Midnitebee) > >>James C. Bach >>WSDA State Apiarist >>jcbach@yvn.com >> > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:04:36 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "James R. Shaver" Subject: Re: Urgent need for Equipment Mann Lake has their budget body on sale for $6.50 until April 30. Jim Shaver, Los Angeles On Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:06:42 -0500 Ian Watson writes: >Hi all > >I called up Walter Kelley's bee supply company today and was told that >they are out of stock on a lot of equipment, namely complete hives. >They have available the individual parts, but this results in >significantly >higher costs. >My brother and I have ordered queens for splits and requeening, and >they >are due in 3 to 4 weeks, and I am wondering if anyone can tell me who >has the best prices for equipment in the US or Canada. Kelley's are >good, >but I can't wait till they are re-stocked. > >Thanks, > >Ian Watson realtor@niagara.com >real estate agent gardener baritone >beekeeper---> 6 colonies and increasing ;) > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:36:01 -0600 Reply-To: ktate@geocities.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Kathy Tate Subject: Re: Honey Board MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT If the Honey Board helps the beekeepers the way the Dairy Board has helped the dairymen, don't walk, RUN away from it!!! These "boards" tend to grow fat and only help those who can financially contribute to some bureaucrat's pocketbook or political cause. Ask any "small" dairyman in Texas!...if you can still find one! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 03:47:48 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Apiservices Subject: Beekeeping stats and main addresses for each country MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In the Virtual Beekeeping Gallery, you can find statistics and addresses for 24 countries with information such as: number of inhabitants size in square kilometers number of beekeepers number of beehives average production honey / beehive / year average honey prices wholesale / retail in US $ tons of exported honey tons of imported honey addresses of national associations addresses of relative government ministries miscellaneous: research centers, laboratories, annual congresses, WEB, et= c. Please check, correct and complete them at the URLs below. For the other countries (about 190 not yet documented), if you represent a government department or national association, please fill in the form at http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/pays_form.htm . Thank you in advance for your collaboration. http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/algeria.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/argentina.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/canada.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/croatia.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/cuba.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/czech.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/denmark.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/finland.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/france.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/hungary.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/israel.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/italia.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/japan.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/jordan.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/mexico.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/norway.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/quebec.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/slovakia.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/spain.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/sweden.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/uruguay.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/usa.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/vietnam.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/zealand.htm (\ ______ {((O8< _______________________ (/ = Gilles RATIA International Beekeeping Consultant Webmaster of the "World's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" APISERVICES Beekeeping Development "Le Terrier" F-24420 Coulaures - FRANCE Phone: +33 (0)5 53 05 91 13 Mobile: +33 (0)6 07 68 49 39 Fax: +33 (0)5 53 04 44 57 Email: gilles.ratia@apiservices.com Web: http://www.beekeeping.org and http://www.apiservices.com and http://www.apiculture.com _________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:28:56 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Computer Software Solutions Ltd Subject: Rauchfuss Management System Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All This system came up recently in discussion but I could not obtain any detail on it. I searched BEE-L for Rauchfuss and got no matches. Has anybody any information on this system? Thanks for any help Sincerely Tom Barrett 49 South Park Foxrock Dublin 18 Ireland e mail cssl@iol.ie Tel + 353 1 289 5269 Fax + 353 1 289 9940 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:18:04 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: John Goodman Subject: Re: BEEKEEPING IN CHINA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From: apinet-l@amigabee.org.uk (Apinet-l) >Subject: Re: BEEKEEPING IN CHINA >Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 19:49:07 GMT >Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers >To: j.m.goodman@csl.gov.uk > > >ceived: from Nora.PCUG.CO.UK by helen.pcug.co.uk id aa14030; 2 Apr 98 0:07 BST >Received: from (intbba1) [200.16.184.139] > by nora.pcug.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yKWa3-0003E5-00; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:06:04 +0100 >Received: from com-cliente27.buenayre.com.ar by intbba1 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) > id UAA17338; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:01:57 -0300 >Message-ID: <35230A9C.661@intbba1.buenayre.com.ar> >Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 19:48:44 -0800 >From: Eduardo Braunstein >X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: BEEKEEPING IN CHINA >References: <891370998@amigabee.org.uk> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Apinet-l wrote: > >> Subject: Beekeeping in China >> From: Herizo >> I am doing research on beekeeping with special regard to beekeeping in the People's Republic of China. I would appreciate any comments and >possible links on the subject. >> Thank you. >> Joe > >Hello Joe: >You will find the info, >China: Livestock Statistics (90014) >Description: >Comprehensive data on Chinese animal agriculture including production of >red meats, milk, eggs, poultry meats, and honey by region and province. >Also includes inventory data on cattle, hogs,sheep, goats, and draft >animals. > >in the following site: > > http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/usda/help.html > >Best regards, >Eduardo >------- >Eduardo Braunstein >New E-Mail Address: ebra@cvtci.com.ar >Argentina > >--- > APINET-L > > Towards an international approach > > to the successful control of Varroa > > and other bee diseases > +++++ > +++ + > +++ ++ > .***....++........ ++ > .**.********..++++++++++++.. > ** *********** ****************. > .*. ********** ***.**************** > .**.*..****** .**...*************** > ** .* **. *** ********** > *. *. *. **** ****** > * * ** *** ** > . . * **.. >************************************************************************ >To unsubscribe from apinet-L Email: listserv@amigabee.org.uk > MSG Body: unsubscribe apinet-L >************************************************************************ > >----- >Processed with Listserv 2.92 (Beta 5, 32-bit) for Wildcat v5 > > > JOHN GOODMAN Regional Bee Inspector, NE England CSL National Bee Unit, UK # http://www.csl.gov.uk/navf.htm) # Tel/Message:+44 (0)1833 690561 Fax(at York):+44 (0)1904 462240 j.m.goodman@csl.gov.uk International Coordinator for the "Apinet" APINET BEE (Bee Educ & Ext) NEWS # ( http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/ ) # ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:25:58 +0900 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: j h & e mcadam Subject: Re: Spraying Bee attractants... MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Paul Cronshaw wrote: >A local avocado orchard grower is going to spray a bee phermone on his >blossoming avocado orchard to attract more bees to the blossoms. > >Has anyone heard of this proceedure before? > >Would this be a viable project for other plant species? > Almonds are an important commercial crop in South Australia with pollination by bees being integrated into production strategy. Research reports I read some 5 years ago indicated bees preferred to stick to a single species when collecting pollen but almond production would increase if bees could be encouraged to visit the cross-pollinating species alternately. Sprays were being tested to counter the instinctive behaviour. I do not know if these are currently in use. The practice is to saturate the area with bees and pollination fees are paid to the beekeepers who in some cases transport hives from considerable distances. The honey harvested is negligible perhaps because of the over-supply of bees but the hives come off the almonds and must be split immediately to forestall swarming. Almonds flower here in July and swarming normally occurs around October/November. Betty McAdam HOG BAY APIARY Penneshaw, Kangaroo Island J.H. & E. McAdam Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: j h & e mcadam Subject: Re: Finding Stuff MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Karen: re: your presentation to children on beekeeping. I endorse Guy's comments on taking along a foundation, drawn and a sealed honey frame to explain the process. This is very effective when I show visitors our honey shed. For tasting, a squeeze pack as Guy uses is also the way to drive the message home that honey is good to eat. However I recommend wooden stirring sticks such as ice-block sticks for tasting rather than fingers. I buy packs of 1000 sticks from food wholesalers (try catering suppliers) and take these to public tastings with a honey pail for the used sticks (cut hole in centre of lid so there is no confusion between used and new sticks). When doing public tastings I take 5 different honey types in squeeze packs together with nectar source descriptions and some leaves and gum nuts from the eucalyptus species. It is more difficult to provide specimens from ground flora. It is my intention (New Year's resolution!) to press flowers of canola, clover, cape-weed which are the main spring nectar sources here, place on white cardboard and cover with clear Contact which is the recommended procedure for floral specimens. Perhaps you could suggest this to the children as a class project? Locate the nectar sources for their own area and prepare specimens? Some beeswax melted from cappings is also impressive to non-beekeepers. Tell them to smell the honey in the wax! This can be made into moulds for sharing around the class for "touch and smell". The real interest gripper is of course an observation hive but this is difficult to transport and safety is all important. I have used a one-frame sealed glass case where the frame the queen is on is placed in the observation hive the morning of the demonstration and returned to the hive that night. In hot weather a damp cloth on top of the frame will provide moisture. A marked queen makes "see the queen" enjoyable although many people are intrigued to discover queens are apparently born with coloured spots! One beekeeper in South Australia does presentation with fruit that requires pollination, and has examples of poorly pollinated and well pollinated fruit for comparison. You would probably need to prepare a photograph display for this. I stress that bees will sting in defence of their hives or their lives, to reassure those who are frightened to walk in the garden because of the bees on the flowers. I would be interested to hear feed-back from your demonstrations in due course. Betty McAdam HOG BAY APIARY Penneshaw, Kangaroo Island J.H. & E. McAdam Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Midnite Subject: Re: The wood preservative question Greetings! Is it not true that you should paint your hives a dark color and besides why paint hives at all?..the wood needs to breathe . Is it not comprehensible to realize that the pores of the wood helps to rid the extra moisture than having the bees expel this moisture through the entrance? Try to use wood that has a vertical grain wood..helps in moisture release. Why have my bees do this extra work..I want them busy collecting pollen/nectar. Comments? Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee CarlB fish wrote in message <1998033123255801.SAA15740@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >>If the JASCO is no good, can anyone suggest brand names, >>so I can shop for this with a bit more confidence? > >I like to use plain 'ol exterior latex paint ( any brand) ,most commercial >beekeepers I know have been using white exterior grade latex paint. Its >relatively non-toxic to both bees and beekeeper. For my Home /hobby hives I >like the natural appearance of wood. Ive been using a new water base exterior >varnish from Varathane under the brand name of ' diamond finish' . It looks >great and dries in two hours !...thats if you like the natural look. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:42:39 -0500 Reply-To: loganv@earthlink.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Logan VanLeigh Subject: Re: The wood preservative question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Midnite wrote: > > Greetings! > Is it not true that you should paint your hives a dark color Should greatly decrease your honey production in the South. and besides why > paint hives at all?..the wood needs to breathe . To keep it usable longer. Untreated wood is called fungus food down here (east TN). > > Holly-B Apiary > P.O. Box 26 > Wells,Maine 04090-0026 > http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:44:33 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Missing Posts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Gary C. Lewis asked: " ... Am I the only one that seems to be missing messages. I will see a reply but the original post is not there...." This "missing post" problem is not a common occurrence, but does happen due to "problems in cyberspace". When LISTSERV receives a post to BEE-L, the posting is fanned out to all of the 800+ subscribers. If there are delivery problems between here(cnsibm.albany.edu) and there (any one of the 800+ mailboxes) the mail bound for a "problem mailbox" returns to LISTSERV@cnsibm.albany.edu. LISTSERV makes repeated attempts to resend the mail to the problem mailbox and if the problems persist, the mail gets forwarded to the list owner. "Problems in cyberspace" can range from someone's computer is down (LISTSERV is unable to connect to the recipient), someone's ISP has changed their name (LISTSERV can't find the recipient at the new address), the recipients' mailbox is full and many other reasons. On a good day there will be fewer than 10 such delivery problems. On a bad day there can be hundreds. It's a rare Monday morning when there are fewer than 300! Systems programmers use weekends for software upgrades and such, causing a deluge of bounced mail. I simply do not have the time to personally deliver that volume of "problem mail" and it goes into the bit bucket (I delete it). Now, before there are cries of "Dereliction of duty" and "tampering with the mail" let me explain what problems I do address. Someone's computer is down: Eventually the computer is back up and the problem resolves itself. The user starts receiving mail again and all is well. This is most likely the problem Gary Lewis had. Users who missed mail during the outage can always get it by sending mail to LISTSERV@cnsibm.albany.edu requesting the log(s) containing the mail they missed during their ISP's outage. Someone's ISP has changed their name: I make attempts to hunt down users at their new address and help them get resubscribed. Recipients' mailbox is full: First I set the recipients subscription to DIGEST. This reduces bounced mail from as many posts as there are in any given day to 1 per day. If the digests continue to bounce to me for many days after that I set the recipient to NOMAIL. Whenever I make changes to anyones' subscription, LISTSERV sends out notice to the user of the change. However, if there are delivery problems that prompt me to change subscription options, the notice bounces back to me and the user never sees it. CATCH 22! So, that the story. It's easy to take for granted the work behind running a list. There's a lot work behind the scene when the automation fails. Cries for a "One eyed, left handed, Budist, Hindu Beekeeping List" amuse me. Go ahead, it's not as simple as it looks! Personally I say discuss beekeeping issues here and take the rest of the discussion to 1-EYE-L and L-HAND-L and BUDU-L where there are conscientious list owners quietly working behind the scenes to bring to you their lists as best as they can! Aaron Morris BEE-L Owner/Editor ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:08:07 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: RCLynn Subject: Re: Urgent need for Equipment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-04-01 17:08:40 EST, you write: << I am wondering if anyone can tell me who has the best prices for equipment in the US or Canada. Kelley's are good, but I can't wait till they are re-stocked. >> Try a call to Brushy Mountain Bee Farm in North Carolina 800-233-7929. They have very good prices, and they are very nice people. Randy Lynn, NC, USA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:18:58 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Ed Kear Subject: Re: Urgent need for Equipment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try Better Bee Meader Rd. Greenwich, NY 518-692-9669 ed ebk@nyserda.org (work) ed@roundthebend.com (home) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:39:18 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Marc Sevigny Subject: Re: Spraying Bee attractants to Avocado Orchard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A friend of mine is an orchard manager and uses the attractants each = year. His motivation is to get the bees in the trees rather than on the = dandelions. His empirical analysis is that the attractants work (for = him). He mentioned these attractants when I asked if he mows prior to bloom to = keep the bees off of the more desirable (to the bees) dandelions. He = claimed that it is less effort to spray the attractant than to keep = eliminating the dandelions. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:55:04 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Marc Sevigny Subject: heat wave in the east MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable does anyone have any predictions on the effect of the recent heat wave = on bees? I live in central MA and temps were into the high 70s and even 80s for 5 = days. Records were broken by as much as 15 degrees. A side effect of the heat was the premature opening of blossoms. My = forsythia is already in bloom (last year, it was after May 1st). On = this day last year, we had 30" of snow. This year, swamp maples have = already lost their blossons. Bees were actively bringing in pollen during the warm snap (which ended = Tuesday night). I assume that will encourage more laying. Would it be = safe to assume that in 30 days, the hive population will increase = dramatically? My hive was opened last friday, boiling with bees. Laying was occuring = in the top hive body, with nothing in the lower hive body. I was told = not to reverse the bodies until late April at the earliest. Has this = warm weather given cause to reverse earlier? Now that daytime temps have returned to the misty/rainy 40s, the bees = are confined again, possibly for several weeks, as spring cold rains are = common through May. Would it be safer to reverse now to give the queen more laying space?=20 I also expect that the stone fruit which have begin to blossom (apricots = and peaches in my yard) will be a total loss this year. Much too early, = hard frosts are still likely for several more weeks. I wonder how many = other sources of pollen/nectar will be negatively impacted by this = unprecedented early heat wave. Comments? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:58:16 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Equipment at a good price MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Most equipment suppliers are playing within the same ballpark - prices are roughly the same. Sometimes one supplier will have equipment at a SIGNIFICANTLY lower price, but beware that what you purchase may not be what you think you are buying. I was less than thrilled last year when the lowest priced inner/outer telescoping covers I could find arrived made out of cheap paneling and particle board! The supplier was not willing to pay return shipping so I was stuck with the cheap stuff. Fortunately, the cheap stuff will not last for long. But I digress. The point I started to make is that roughly, most suppliers charge ABOUT the same, so the thing to look at is shipping charges. It makes little sense to save a few bucks on the product when you have to shell out big bucks for it to arrive at your door. I think the best price I have seen for woodenware was/is at Western Bee Supply. But what I save from them I pay to UPS to get the quality, well priced woodenware from Montana to New York. Ian in Niagra might get the best overall deal from Dadant in Waverly, NY (607) 565-2860 or more likely, Betterbee in Greenwich, NY (1-800 632-3379). Aaron Morris - thinking don't forget the shipping! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:44:48 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Bill Bartlett Subject: FGMO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I read Dr. Rodriguez's study on FGMO. It seemed he had covered most of the bases and I was ready to try something else. I tried to apply the FGMO every three weeks. That was my plan. Sometimes I was early - most times I was late. That's Life. No I did not do a planned study with all the bells and whistles and records. I had seen where Dr. Rodriquez did all that. Just as I did not do a complete study on penicillin when it came out, but took the Dr. at his word. I have no alterior motives in this other than to see if it works for me like the Doc said and I feel he does not either. If what you are doing works for you that is fine. If you are still losing hives - find out why. Maybe if you have enough hives and enough time you will help out by doing a few scientific experiments on your own. I'm doing what I can with what I have. Any suggestions as to what else I can do are always appreciated and that is why I enjoy this list so much. Never before in all of history has man had a chance to share so much information. The better we use it the better off we are going to be. As time goes on, the FGMO will either make it or break it, and time does go on. Still can't argue with success! billy bee ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:46:24 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 10:44:23 -0800 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Subject: Re: Equipment at a good price References: <980402.091715.EST.SYSAM@cnsibm.albany.edu> Ther was a series of articles in Gleanings a few years ago, I believe by Bonney, on wooden ware comparing sizes and price. It was excellent and a good reference. Made me a believer in buying from one supplier and staying with them for standardization. For me it was Kelley. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:57:23 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: heat wave in the east MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marc, As you noted, the problem with New England weather is how variable it can be. If we are now in for a prolonged cold spell and the bees are brooding up, they are in great danger of starvation, so I am still feeding candy. Some here in Maine have reversed already. I would not reverse until the warm weather is really here. Last year I could not reverse (remember the long, cool spring) but the bees gave me a bountiful supply of honey. There was a long thread last year on reversing and not reversing, so I was not too worried about not reversing. It is something that, if you cannot do it, will not cause many problems later. But if you can, then fine. Again, the key now is to keep feeding to prevent starvation, even if the hive still has honey. I recommend candy but others use a sugar slurry or dry sugar. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Marc Sevigny wrote: > does anyone have any predictions on the effect of the recent heat wave on bees? > > I live in central MA and temps were into the high 70s and even 80s for 5 days. Records were broken by as much as 15 degrees. > > A side effect of the heat was the premature opening of blossoms. My forsythia is already in bloom (last year, it was after May 1st). On this day last year, we had 30" of snow. This year, swamp maples have already lost their blossons. > > Bees were actively bringing in pollen during the warm snap (which ended Tuesday night). I assume that will encourage more laying. Would it be safe to assume that in 30 days, the hive population will increase dramatically? > > My hive was opened last friday, boiling with bees. Laying was occuring in the top hive body, with nothing in the lower hive body. I was told not to reverse the bodies until late April at the earliest. Has this warm weather given cause to reverse earlier? > > Now that daytime temps have returned to the misty/rainy 40s, the bees are confined again, possibly for several weeks, as spring cold rains are common through May. > > Would it be safer to reverse now to give the queen more laying space? > > I also expect that the stone fruit which have begin to blossom (apricots and peaches in my yard) will be a total loss this year. Much too early, hard frosts are still likely for several more weeks. I wonder how many other sources of pollen/nectar will be negatively impacted by this unprecedented early heat wave. Comments? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:40:49 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Richard Bonney Subject: Re: woodenware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > There was a series of articles in Gleanings a few years ago, I believe by > Bonney, on wooden ware comparing sizes and price. It was excellent > and a good reference. Made me a believer in buying from one supplier > and staying with them for standardization. For me it was Kelley. > Bill Truesdell > Bath, ME The article in question (not a series) was in the January 1996 issue of Bee Culture. The February issue had an article on beginner outfits. Dick Bonney rebonney@javanet.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:35:43 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: honey straws In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980402122602.006639f4@kigateway.kin.on.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:26 PM 4/2/98 +0900, you wrote: Several times or many times I have been introduced to honey sealed in a straw. Don't get me wrong I think it is a good idea and wish all success with this and any novel way to package honey. But in all these years I never have figured how you are supposed to get the honey out of these things. If any thing is "kid proof" this packaging has been OLd Drone proof for me. Please would someone let me in on the proper way to open these and get at the honey without tools of some kind. ttul, the OLd Drone ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:37:28 -0800 Reply-To: gclewis@penn.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Gary C. Lewis" Subject: Re: Missing Posts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the explanation Aaron. Gary C. Lewis Duke Center, Pa. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:12:56 -0500 Reply-To: beesbest@mediaone.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Kathy Organization: Red Maple Farm Subject: Re: equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Watson wrote asking for best prices on woodenware: Ian, Though the prices are not the least expensive initially, we have found that the cypress woodenware we have bought from Rossman Apiaries has been the least expensive over time. It has lasted twice as long as pine (so far, time may indicate longer) and has needed 1/2 the maintenance (scraping, painting). We keep bees in a region with many wetlands that is also quite humid in the spring and summer (Eastern Mass., U.S.) and have found that cypress equipment has withstood the moisture quite well. As mentioned in another response: ROSSMAN APIARIES, INC. Moultrie, GA. 31776-0905 phone: 912-985-7200 or 1-800-333-7677 fax: 912-985-0209 Hope they still have all you need in stock, Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:27:48 -0800 Reply-To: snielsen@orednet.org Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Susan L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Finding Stuff >Karen: > >re: your presentation to children on beekeeping. >However I recommend wooden stirring sticks >such as ice-block sticks for tasting rather than fingers. I buy packs of >1000 sticks from food wholesalers (try catering suppliers) and take these to >public tastings with a honey pail for the used sticks (cut hole in centre of >lid so there is no confusion between used and new sticks). I am right with Betty on the dip-stick method. Here in the US, we call them popsicle sticks, and you can get them really cheaply by the 1,000. Much less mess than fingers. Have some paper towels on hand, though, or a damp washcloth! With little kids, you have to watch to make sure they don't whip around to the end of the line and come by again. I had one little bugger getting lunch out of my sample bottle at a kindergarten harvest fair demo. After a while, they all look alike, those kids, especially when you are wearing veil and suit, and you're hot, and every one of them asks you how many times you've been stung... >The real interest gripper is of course an observation hive but this is >difficult to transport and safety is all important. I usually catch a half dozen bees in a Mason jar, and put screening over the top instead of the canning dome. The ring spins on right over nylon netting. The kids can hold the jar right up to their faces and feel very brave. If I can get a couple of drones in there, they can see the difference between drones and workers. Besides the other ordinary stuff for show-and-tell (smoker, drawn frame, empty super w/lid and base, hive tool, suit, gloves, veil...) I have some gorgeous photos, laminated to keep them from disintegrating, that I tack up. The Apistan brochure, for instance, has a beautiful picture of a bee, all with her baskets full, that is about 9 x 12 inches, and makes a nice display. There is also a close-up of a varroa, and a wonderful shot of a beekeeper handling a frame. This stuff is cheap to prepare and makes a nice presentation. At places where the kids' parents come, too, like a school fair, I find it is the parents who are most interested in these displays. It is a lot of fun. Susan Nielsen -- Susan Nielsen | Beehive: If you build it, snielsen@orednet.org | they will comb. -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:32:55 +0300 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Mite free bees! 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I have never ordered cyprus hive bodies - good paint job keeps my "off the ground" equipment soundly. However, when it comes to bottom boards the long life of the cyprus is well worth the added expense (and shipping too!). Besides that, Fred and Ann are good people too! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:05:09 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Honey tastings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT This was discussed previously on BEE-L. Flat sticks (popcycle sticks) were mentioned, but the concensus agreed that the best tasting tool are the plastic, disposable swizzle sticks. Aaron Morris - thinking there's good readin' in them thar archives! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:12:10 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Elroy Rogers Subject: FGMO resistance? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all beelovers, I am sorry to inform everyone that reistance to FGMO as already showed up! It is on this list, I am not talking about the v-mites I am talking about everyone that has the title master beekeeper, state bee inspector, PHD or some other fancy title after their name. I had checked back on all the personal emails I have received on FGMO and the ones that disagree, or state there is no scientific evidence to backup the FGMO statements. They are people that work for the government in some way, WHY? From past expierence I have always learned to follow the money, I have lost friends because I have borrowed them money. Now I could not think of any money trail out there, but now I remmember. THERE WILL BE MONEY FLOWING LIKE HONEY FROM THE NHB FOR RESEARCH IN THE NEAR FUTURE. I don't know how many millions will be available the first year in 1999 for research. But I'll bet these people that appose FGMO now will be heading the research for other alturnatives to apistan then. Myself and beekeepers like Billybee are maybe threatening all the need for research on the v-mite or the treacheal mite. If we can prove that FGMO works now why do we need the reseach money? I would like the researchers on this list to just take one of the colonies and try FGMO and prove me wrong. After all I have pretty good prove that FGMO works, and it came as a general inspection for my bees to leave the state of Minnesota. I should have this document tonight and will see if I can some how get it into my computer so as to post it on this list. Elroy ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:16:06 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: GImasterBK Subject: Re: heat wave in the east Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Marc: Read Bill Truesdale post, because he is local. However, I want to say something about REVERSING. I am a very strong believer in reversing and start in Feb continuing until strong nectar flow in late April or early May. BUT, YOU HAVE WATCH WHAT YOU ARE DOING. IF THERE IS NO LARVA OR CAPPED BROOD IN THE LOWER STORY, just stores or empty, by all means REVERSE. However, if there is eggs or larvae in the lower box and you reverse, then that brood will be up near the inner cover, but the queen and nurse bees will be down near the bottom board. Your brood is now SPLIT, and on a cold night, one group or the other will chill because the bees cannot warm both. Good reversing practice is a "must" for good beekeeping as a swarm prevention, but screwed up reversing can badly hurt you. Talk to Bill Truesdale or Tony Jadczak. Wish I was there to help, but my strokes have "slowed me down" By the way, I no longer own a deep body. All of my 100+colonies are in 3 Illinois brood chambers, so reversing is a lot easier for me than switching two deep bodies. Just another wonderful reason for using ALL Illinois and having only ONE size frame in your apiary. I converted 15 years ago after 50 years with deeps and shallows; and wish I had started with ALL Illinois back in 1933. George Imirie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:13:59 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: FGMO resistance? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Elroy, I am only a hobby beekeeper but would love to see a good study of FGMO. There has not been one. Granted, it may work. Seems to by the posts on this list, but that means zero to me. There were similar testimonies on essential oils, followed years later by disaster. I will try it on a hive that I can afford to lose. Since I have not lost one hive in the past two years and only one in the year when many were losing all their hives, and I did not use FGMO, I will stay the course with Apistan and crisco patties. My main concern is that we northerners are in a low period for varroa. All the hives that had mites died, so took the mite with them. As the mites rebound, and they will, we will see another winter like the one three years ago, but probably not for a couple of years. If those who use FGMO last through it with no losses, then it will have proven itself. Until then, ease off on those of us who do not follow the piper. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Elroy Rogers wrote: > Hi all beelovers, > I am sorry to inform everyone that reistance to FGMO as already showed up! > It is on this list, I am not talking about the v-mites I am talking about > everyone that has the title master beekeeper, state bee inspector, PHD or some > other fancy title after their name. I had checked back on all the personal > emails I have received on FGMO and the ones that disagree, or state there is no > scientific evidence to backup the FGMO statements. They are people that work > for the government in some way, WHY? From past expierence I have always > learned to follow the money, I have lost friends because I have borrowed them > money. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:44:18 -0500 Reply-To: t_wiegelmann@conknet.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Thomas Wiegelmann Organization: Wiegelmann Apiaries, Inc. Subject: Re: USDA Opens Borders to Importation of New Zealand Bees? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excerpts from BEE-L wrote: > > From: Allen Dick > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > > Did anyone see this? Try http://www.usgov.gov/news/aprlflls/ > > (I take no responsibility for the content of that purported site and > advise readers to verify the facts before reacting. The purported article > is too long to quote here, so I'll just use a few lines here and there... > and you can search for the rest). > > > USDA Opens Borders to Importation of New Zealand Bees > > > In a surprise move, US and New Zealand officials announced jointly > > this morning that beginning 4/1/98, the US will allow importation and > > trans-shipment of New Zealand bees to and through all US states, > > including Hawaii... > > > ... After several years of low key discussions between agriculture > > officials it has been determined that New Zealand bees are entirely free > > of any harmful viruses and other diseases or pests that might affect > > American beekeeping other than American Foulbrood (AFB), a disease which > > exists throughout the USA anyhow. However to prevent transmission of any > > new stains of AFB, the protocol requires that any apiaries from which > > owners plan to export bees to the USA be treated with oxytetracycline > > for at least three months previous to any shipment. > > > ...Moreover, in a new initiative for more open trade worldwide, it is > > expected that the Canadian border will be opened to US bee imports > > within the month... Further, the restrictions on Chinese honey imports > > to the USA will be withdrawn June 1... > > ... in contemplating the meaning of this report, readers are advised to > consider the date of its transmission... > > --- > Disclaimer: The articles on Best of Bee are often opinion > rather than fact, and are not necessarily completely researched. > Use with caution -- and at your own risk. ALLEN, IT DON'T WORK ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:58:28 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: GImasterBK Subject: Re: FGMO resistance? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Elroy: Some people even like olives! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:06:12 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Barricklow, Walt" Subject: Re: honey straws MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cut the end off and squeeze them. works for me Walt in SC ---------- > From: Andy Nachbaur > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: honey straws > Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 11:35 AM > > At 09:26 PM 4/2/98 +0900, you wrote: > > Several times or many times I have been introduced to honey sealed in a > straw. Don't get me wrong I think it is a good idea and wish all success > with this and any novel way to package honey. But in all these years I > never have figured how you are supposed to get the honey out of these > things. If any thing is "kid proof" this packaging has been OLd Drone proof > for me. > > Please would someone let me in on the proper way to open these and get at > the honey without tools of some kind. > > ttul, the OLd Drone ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:57:15 -0600 Reply-To: gmc@vci.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: beeman Organization: Honey Ridge Apiaries Subject: Re: Equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit everyone should call western bee!! 1-800548-8440, they have great prices on wooden ware!! RCLynn wrote: > In a message dated 98-04-01 17:08:40 EST, you write: > > << I am wondering if anyone can tell me who > has the best prices for equipment in the US or Canada. Kelley's are good, > but I can't wait till they are re-stocked. >> > > Try a call to Brushy Mountain Bee Farm in North Carolina 800-233-7929. They > have very good prices, and they are very nice people. > > Randy Lynn, NC, USA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:03:45 -0600 Reply-To: gmc@vci.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: beeman Organization: Honey Ridge Apiaries Subject: Re: FGMO resistance? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all! i offered to try any and every method used with FGMO, i asked everyone using it to send me personal email (to keep from cluttering up the list)on how they applied FGMO, and how often. so far i got two replies.... i can't do it with out your help!!!!!!!!!!!! I need to know how eveyone using FGMO is appling it and how often. Bill Truesdell wrote: > Elroy, > I am only a hobby beekeeper but would love to see a good study of FGMO. There has > not been one. Granted, it may work. Seems to by the posts on this list, but that > means zero to me. There were similar testimonies on essential oils, followed years > later by disaster. > I will try it on a hive that I can afford to lose. Since I have not lost one hive > in the past two years and only one in the year when many were losing all their > hives, and I did not use FGMO, I will stay the course with Apistan and crisco > patties. > My main concern is that we northerners are in a low period for varroa. All the > hives that had mites died, so took the mite with them. As the mites rebound, and > they will, we will see another winter like the one three years ago, but probably > not for a couple of years. If those who use FGMO last through it with no losses, > then it will have proven itself. Until then, ease off on those of us who do not > follow the piper. > Bill Truesdell > Bath, ME > > Elroy Rogers wrote: > > > Hi all beelovers, > > I am sorry to inform everyone that reistance to FGMO as already showed up! > > It is on this list, I am not talking about the v-mites I am talking about > > everyone that has the title master beekeeper, state bee inspector, PHD or some > > other fancy title after their name. I had checked back on all the personal > > emails I have received on FGMO and the ones that disagree, or state there is no > > scientific evidence to backup the FGMO statements. They are people that work > > for the government in some way, WHY? From past expierence I have always > > learned to follow the money, I have lost friends because I have borrowed them > > money. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:34:13 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "JOSEPH F. ROSSMAN" Organization: ROSSMAN APIARIES,INC. Subject: Re: Addresses needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FAITHAB wrote: > > Could someonoe please send me the telephone number of the Ross Bee Company in > Ga? I have a friend who is looking to buy bees and all by files are at my > Virginia house. I could use a couple of other numbers too, in case Ross is > out. Thanks alot > > Faith Andrews Bedford > Tampa and Ivy, VA THANKS FOR ASKING. THE NUMBER IS 1-800-333-7677. THAT IS THE NUMBER TO REACH ROSSMAN APIARIES IN MOULTRIE GA AND BY THE WAY WE ARE STILL TAKING ORDERS FOR BEES AND QUEENS. THANKS, FRED ROSSMAN ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:48:59 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "JOSEPH F. ROSSMAN" Organization: ROSSMAN APIARIES,INC. Subject: Re: Urgent need for Equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Watson wrote: > > Hi all > > I called up Walter Kelley's bee supply company today and was told that > they are out of stock on a lot of equipment, namely complete hives. > They have available the individual parts, but this results in significantly > higher costs. > My brother and I have ordered queens for splits and requeening, and they > are due in 3 to 4 weeks, and I am wondering if anyone can tell me who > has the best prices for equipment in the US or Canada. Kelley's are good, > but I can't wait till they are re-stocked. > > Thanks, > > Ian Watson realtor@niagara.com > real estate agent gardener baritone > beekeeper---> 6 colonies and increasing ;) PROBABLY IF YOU WOULD GIVE ROSSMAN APIARIES A CALL YOUR NEEDS COULD BE FILLED IN A MATTER OF DAYS. WE MAY NOT BE THE CHEAPEST BUT QUALITY STANDS OUT VERY MUCH. ALSO OUR EQUIPMENT IS MADE OF CYPRESS LUMBER AND IS OUTSTANDING FOR "LONG LIFE". YOU MIGHT CONSIDER LOOKING AT BEST PRICE INSTEAD OF CHEAPEST PRICE. IN MANY CASES THE CHEAPEST TURNS OUT TO BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE LONG RUN. THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR GIVING US CONSIDERATION. FRED ROSSMAN ROSSMAN APIARIES ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:53:15 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Ian Watson Subject: Re: Equipment Suppliers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all Just a note to thank everyone for all the help with phone numbers and opinions of the best places to buy equipment. It was greatly appreciated. What a great resource BEE-L is! Best regards, Ian Watson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:14:56 -0800 Reply-To: jcbach@yvn.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: James C Bach Subject: Can experiments be conducted in WA state? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I appreciate your question Andy. Here is an answer. Washington's apiary program was changed in 1994 from a regulatory program with educational activities to one with educational, problem solving, consulting, and a focal point for anything apicultural, with a few regulatory activities. Our current business plan put together by myself, our Apiary Advisory Committee, the Washington State Beekeepers Association Executive Board, numerous members of the industry, and some non-resident beekeepers who have exchanged communications with us, contains activities of education, communication, facilitating the labeling or relabeling of agricultural chemicals to better protect pollinators, participation with the Apiary Inspectors of America in their effort to facilitate the same, and the design of a study project which will gather data on many of the occurrances within and in the environment of bee colonies. Our priorities would be to do those studies which may not be receiving attention from others who are doing formal research investigations. One of the things many beekeepers have been asking me to do for many years is to identify and discuss the problems beekeepers face in their attempts to manage colonies effectively and economically. These include public and beekeeping industry relations and to be a media, government, private industry, and legislative resource. This includes discussing the queen and stock problems that beekeeper are experiencing, of course mites, and economics. My special interest since 1960 has been bee behavior and its response to bee management, nutrition, weather, migratory movement, etc. Many beekeepers have helped me with this interest with their innovative ideas and methods. In my discussions with researchers and government I have constantly and consistently encouraged and challenged them to conduct applied research in a manner which would quickly and cost effectively produce outcomes which would provide information and techniques to beekeepers that would enhance apiculture, agricultural pollination, and pollinator protection. I'd say that is a "tall order" for a one person program just barely funded by industry over the last few years after losing all general funds. James C. Bach jbach@agr.wa.gov jcbach@yvn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:53:46 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: GImasterBK Subject: Re: Equipment Suppliers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ian: In these 65 years of running up to 150 colonies each year, I have bought from almost every supplier, I reckon. Maybe price is of number one importance to some, but it only of number two importance to me. I want QUALITY, SERVICE, SOMEONE WHO KNOWS ME WHEN I CALL, and mostly, I want to do business with NICE PEOPLE. You will not go wrong with Fred and Ann Rossman at Rossman Apiaries (and they have cypress wood too); or Steve and Sandy Forest of Brushy Mountain are just as nice. Some of the other suppliers are closer to me here at Washington DC, they did not get my business because I didn't want to be just a "number" You and your brother have a good year! George Imirie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:36:48 -1000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Walter Patton Subject: Re: honey straws MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- The Old Drone wrote > Please would someone let me in on the proper way to open these and get at > the honey without tools of some kind. > > ttul, the OLd Drone Hi Andy Let me take a shot at this question that you have brought to the list. Being what I judge to be a professional and some what of a compulsive honey eater let me try to explain. Also having a fair amount of experience in teaching the art of honey eating I urge your attendance to my discourse.I sell honey straws. First you place one end of the honey straw firmly between for thumb and index finger of the hand on the same side of your body as your best set of upper and lower jaws. Next you squeeeze the tip of the straw firmly and securely to ensure that the tip between your fingers stays in tact while you are applying pressure to the other tip of the straw between your best set of upper and lower jaws. With any luck you should feel the eruption of warm honey into your mouth after the pressure between your jaws causes the tip between your jaws to POP open. In the absence of good upper and lower jaws you will probably want to use some tools. And thats it, no more no less. It is safe and can be done at home or in public. Bee healthy and eat your honey daily. I sure hope I get to meet you some day. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:28:21 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Cyprus vs cypress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Oops! Cyprus is a country, cypress is a tree! Sorry! Aaron Morris - thinking I have the Mediterranean on my mind ... or water on my brain! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:47:29 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Midnitebee Subject: bee suppliers/Ian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! ok..so I do not alienate any supplier on this list..go to this site: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/html/beekprs_suppliers.html Ian, by the time you convert your Canadian "dollar" to US and pay duty (fees?), cost could be quite expensive. There are two beekeeping suppliers on this list(Canadian). Phone and fax numbers included...in fact, you might want to call several suppliers and ask for their catalog..best way to compare prices. So far as keeping your equipment dry and "clean"..did you ever think about using roof shingles and cinder blocks to elevate your hives? Just a thought.. Herb Holly-B Apiary P.O.Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:03:00 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Ron Bogansky Subject: Honey Straws/Honey Sticks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy, Nothing is "kid proof", so if you want to find out how to open a honey stick, find an expert. Any youngster will do. Two to five seconds is all they need. If they are missing their front teeth they may take a few seconds longer. Be careful, kids are smart today. You will probably have to give them a few extra sticks for their effort. Ron Bogansky PS. If you don't have any "experts" around, place the end of the straw in your mouth with the seal in a vertical position and bite. It will pop right open. Don't hold the seam sideways or you will chew forever. Now you owe me a few straws. If any thing is "kid proof" this packaging has been OLd Drone proof for me. Please would someone let me in on the proper way to open these and get at the honey without tools of some kind. ttul, the OLd Drone ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 05:34:01 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Barricklow, Walt" Subject: Re: honey straws MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well, that makes it easy to get the honey out, but now for the hard question, how do you get the honey in the straw? ---------- > From: Walter Patton > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: honey straws > Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 11:36 PM > > ---------- > The Old Drone wrote > > > > Please would someone let me in on the proper way to open these and get at > > the honey without tools of some kind. > > > > ttul, the OLd Drone > > > Hi Andy > Let me take a shot at this question that you have brought to the list. > Being what I judge to be a professional and some what of a compulsive honey > eater let me try to explain. Also having a fair amount of experience in > teaching the art of honey eating I urge your attendance to my discourse.I > sell honey straws. First you place one end of the honey straw firmly > between for thumb and index finger of the hand on the same side of your > body as your best set of upper and lower jaws. Next you squeeeze the tip of > the straw firmly and securely to ensure that the tip between your fingers > stays in tact while you are applying pressure to the other tip of the straw > between your best set of upper and lower jaws. With any luck you should > feel the eruption of warm honey into your mouth after the pressure between > your jaws causes the tip between your jaws to POP open. In the absence of > good upper and lower jaws you will probably want to use some tools. And > thats it, no more no less. It is safe and can be done at home or in public. > Bee healthy and eat your honey daily. I sure hope I get to meet you some > day. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:20:24 +0300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Vladimir V. Obolonkin" Subject: Re: Buckwheat honey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> Eunice Wonnacott wrote A year or more ago, I saw a report (not on line, as I remember) which was an English translation of a Russian study on nectar producing plants. They referred to several varieties of buckwheat by name, and reported on their study as to nectar and pollen supplies. There was a vast difference in them. I wonder if there is any way of accessing this Russian study? As I remember, there were several European countries also included in the study.>>>> Nectar production of Buckwheat (B.) are known here (Russia and post-Soviet countryes) from ancient times as Buckwheat and B-honey are (and were) very respectable here. Figures of different B. sorts' nectar prodactivity present in all bee-textbooks. I remember that the prodactivity can vary from 50 to 190 kilo of honey from hectar depending of sort. Both mentined textbooks and old beekeepers say that to get B.honey often is a lack. Becous B. gives nectar in warm (not hot!), wet (not rainly!) weather. B. NEVER give (they say) nectar crop on freshly manured grounds. Yours Vladimir O. from Belarus -5 at night, +5-7 at day. Where is the spring going to come?! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 01:21:41 BST Reply-To: Andy.Sutherland@man.ac.uk Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Sutherland Organization: Manchester University and UMIST Subject: ODBKA Newsletter To receive the Oldham & District Beekeeping Newsletter on line, which includes interesting reports and facts send an email to :- Andy.Sutherland@man.ac.uk and send the following message Subscribe ODBKA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:17:12 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: CONFIRM BEE-L MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE folks, SERVICE REQUESTS GO TO THE SERVER, POSTS GO TO THE LIST!!! CONFIRM BEE-L is a service request. Do NOT send the command back to the list, we've all see it already! Sending the service request to the list will not provide to you the service you are requesting and on April 15 the list server will delete you from the list! It's really very simple - send a single line of mail to: LISTSERV@cnsibm.albany.edu that reads: CONFIRM BEE-L Aaron Morris - thinking service requests go to the SERVER posts go to the list. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:31:02 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Rod Rupert Subject: Switching from 2 deeps to 3 medium I understand the advantages of dealing with supers and frames of all the same size. My question is: What is the procedure for switching existing colonies from 2 deep to 3 medium? 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I couldn't have done it without all YOUR ideas and help, thanks so much! This list has some very special people on it!! Karen ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:32:53 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Computer Software Solutions Ltd Subject: Bee Huts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All I recently obtained some information on beehuts and I was wondering if anybody on the list is using them. I saw somewhere that they were popular in mainland Europe. I live in Ireland in a damp, temperate to cool climate (somewhat similar to the UK). We rarely get frost or snow here, as I am within a few kilometres of the sea, but the winters are cold and usually damp. I am exploring the possibility of using a beehut in my suburban garden. What I was wondering was, does a beehut isolate the bees from the noise of mowers and other gardening machines, as I have had a few stinging incidents caused by these machines. And are there any significant disadvantages which would need to be borne in mind when evaluating beehuts?. Thanks for your help. Sincerely Tom Barrett 49 South Park Foxrock Dublin 18 Ireland e mail cssl@iol.ie Tel + 353 1 289 5269 Fax + 353 1 289 9940 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:43:57 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Bee Works Subject: Re: Resistence to trachel mite In-Reply-To: <098c44033210148UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 1 Apr 98 at 14:35, Lloyd Spear wrote: > strain has not had a good reputation for honey production. David > Eyre referenced the breeding program in Ontario. Interested persons > might want to visit Sue Cobey's site at > http://iris.biosci.ohio-state.Edu/honeybee/breeding/Images/Homepage. > GI I have a lot of respect for Ms. Cobey and she seems to be doing Just a quick point. The way this post was written implies that Sue Cobey is connected in some way with the Ontario program. Nothing could be further from the truth, these are independant programs. Sue's program is at the Ohio University in the US, not in Ontario, Canada. Before I get yelled at, there is no disrespect/criticism to Sue in this statement. ******************************************* The Bee Works, 9 Progress Dr, Unit 2, Orillia, Ontario, L3V 6H1 Phone/fax 705-326-7171 David Eyre, Owner. http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks e-mail ******************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:30:00 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Calkins, Rob" Subject: splits MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I have four hives. I checked them this weekend and found the following: * One hive was strong and doing very well. Lots of brood and bees bring in pollen. * One hive was weaker and not as strong. Some brood and some pollen coming in. * One hive very week with only about five hundred bees but I did find the queen and she is alive * One hive dead. As this is my second year, I am learning and learning. I made some mistakes and am paying the price now. I am wondering if I can take the queen from the very week hive and use her for a split with the very strong hive. Both hives were very productive last year so I feel confident in the genetic properties of the queens. It was my fault that they are having problems. If I do make the split what would be the best method to do it. It is supposed to be around 65 on Sunday so I hope to do it then. Thanks for the help. Rob Calkins ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:24:51 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: GImasterBK Subject: Re: CONFIRM BEE-L Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Aaron: I'm confirmed, but it was difficult. I am glad that you rattled my Ph.D with "cyphrus". My degrees are in Chemistry and nuclear physics, not spelling. I think the confusion about confirming is your the title of your list; i. e. LISTSERV. It implies both list and service, but not posting. I'm in trouble - back to the bees - they don't write. George ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:36:19 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: GImasterBK Subject: Re: Bee Huts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "NOISE" of mowers and other garden equipment. Bees have no ears and cannot hear, only feel vibrations However, the odor of carbon monoxide from gasoline detonation makes bees most unhappy and defensive. I have no knowledge of bee huts; but I would always want moving air and sun on my colonies elevated off of damp ground. Dampness is a far greater problem than cold - don't prevent breezes (not heavy wind) and sun from keeping a colony dry. I have been all over Ireland, foxhunting, so I know the weather there. George ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:35:17 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Barricklow, Walt" Subject: Re: CONFIRM BEE-L MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit reference the imirie shim, I cut another slot in the opposite side of the wood which puts it in front and the back. I put it on my hives above the innercover, and the slightest breeze blows the heat through the hive and lowers the internal temperatures. In South Carolina it gets a little hot on the top. This seems to save some cooling effort by the bees. Can't say that I get more honey, but it has to help my girls same. ---------- > From: GImasterBK > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: CONFIRM BEE-L > Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 4:24 PM > > Aaron: > I'm confirmed, but it was difficult. > I am glad that you rattled my Ph.D with "cyphrus". My degrees are in > Chemistry and nuclear physics, not spelling. > I think the confusion about confirming is your the title of your list; i. e. > LISTSERV. > It implies both list and service, but not posting. > I'm in trouble - back to the bees - they don't write. > George ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:41:25 -0500 Reply-To: vcoppola@froggernet.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Vince Coppola Subject: Re: splits MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Calkins, Rob wrote: > I have four hives. I checked them this weekend and found the following: > * One hive was strong and doing very well. Lots of brood and bees > bring in pollen. > * One hive was weaker and not as strong. Some brood and some > pollen coming in. > * One hive very week with only about five hundred bees but I did > find the queen and she is alive > * One hive dead. > > As this is my second year, I am learning and learning. I made some > mistakes and am paying the price now. I am wondering if I can take the > queen from the very week hive and use her for a split with the very > strong hive. Hi Rob, I usually try to save these, even a poor queen lays more eggs than no queen and any queen will lay more if she has enough workers. If you add too much brood to the week colony they will probably kill her and start queen cells. If this hapens you'll probably get a poor nuc. You can usually add one frame of bees with emerging brood without a problem. A week later add another frame and a week later you will be able to add more. Spray a little thin sugar syrup on the frame you are adding and the frame in the weak colony. Place the additional frame to the opposite side that the weak queen is on. Sometimes they will supersede her later in the year, sometimes the queen will come though the next winter just fine, usually they will make a decent crop. If you don't think the queen is worth saving you can always re queen later in the year. Another advantage is that you will not pull too much from your good colony at one time so their production will not suffer. This technique is a life saver when money is short and you have alot of dead outs. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:01:20 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Subject: Re: Re.: USDA OPENS... In-Reply-To: <35254E7E.7C33@bed.buenayre.com.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Allen: > > I tried, but I receive a message: ...has not DNS entry. > >Did anyone see this? Try http://www.usgov.gov/news/aprlflls/ > Is the address o.k. ? Sorry... The post was a joke. In North America we have what is called 'April Fools Day' . On that day we try to make up believable stories and fool one another. Here everyone knows what's up and most people think it is hilarious. I now realize that BEE-L is an international list and that we all have different customs. I apologize to all those who may not have understood that the story was just tomfoolery. Nothing in that post was true. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:31:44 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: John J Moore I was just informed by the owner of the orchard where I have some hives that he will be spraying oil in the morning. No chemicals just oil. Will I have problems with just oil , should I move the hives. John Northern RI _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:54:15 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur In-Reply-To: <19980403.233145.3222.2.johnbkpr@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:31 PM 4/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >I was just informed by the owner of the orchard where I have some hives >that he will be spraying oil in the morning. No chemicals just oil. >Will I have problems with just oil , should I move the hives. I assume this is a dormant spray to apples or other dormant fruit. The only harm would be that oil that get on the hives themselves which would soon disappear. All this assumes the grower is telling you the truth, one must understand that sometimes the grower will not know or tell all. Good Luck The OLd Drone BEENEWS @ http://209.76.50.54 >John >Northern RI > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 04:53:04 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: CSlade777 Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I am told that it a common experience in the UK for crosses from the Buckfast bee to be aggressive. I don't know whether this is accidental or deliberate on the part of the breeder but it must be convenient that their customers have to come back if they want the original temper again. Chris Slade ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 04:57:24 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Midnitebee Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holly-B Apiary P.O.Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -----Original Message----- From: CSlade777 To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 4:54 AM Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens >I am told that it a common experience in the UK for crosses from the Buckfast >bee to be aggressive. I don't know whether this is accidental or deliberate >on the part of the breeder but it must be convenient that their customers have >to come back if they want the original temper again. maybee..that's why some folks call them "fast buck".. Herb >Chris Slade > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:21:16 +0900 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: j h & e mcadam Subject: Re: Mixing Bees MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I came across a statement from an experienced beekeeper recently, to the >effect that if you mix bees from three hives that they will not fight. I do not think there is any significance to the number "3" when mixing bees from separate hives. The technique for swapping a strong hive for a weak one so that bee numbers will equalize is common practice. Just switch the two over, when the bees are flying and all foraging bees will return to the original site presumably loaded with pollen and nectar and be admitted as contributors to hive stores. Weather conditions do play a role in determining whether fighting will break out. When the honey flow is on bees will not notice the changes made. The hive in place must have a laying queen and brood for bees to settle. Betty McAdam HOG BAY APIARY Penneshaw, Kangaroo Island J.H. & E. McAdam Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Tim Black Organization: Valley Apiary Subject: Dont you have a phone? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr. L. Connor, I have tried to get you to return my calls for the past 3 months! Maybe e-mail works better for you than the phone. I ordered 3 slide sets the second day of January- all I have asked of you is to let me know when I might get them. I dont think thats asking all that much. After all its payed for. Tim Black (413)584-1096 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:11:44 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Thoswhoyt Subject: Re: Re.: USDA OPENS... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-04-04 10:21:33 EST, you write: > > >Did anyone see this? Try http://www.usgov.gov/news/aprlflls/ > > Is the address o.k. ? > > Sorry... The entire post was a joke. > > In North America we have what is called 'April Fools Day' . I tried the http address - - then I noticed the last word of the address: APRLFLLS April Fools Very good (you obviously have too much time on your hands!! ) TWH Decatur, IL ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:39:31 -0800 Reply-To: jcbach@yvn.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: James C Bach Subject: FGMO on Midnitebee page MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Herb and Andy asked me if I read Dr. Rodgriques' paper. Following is a long answer. I did not previously discuss the FGMO issue for many reasons. But since it has come up again I offer the following in the interest of providing an analytical approach to reading papers about research projects as well as published scientific papers. Yes Herb and Andy, I did read Dr. Rodriques' two papers on mineral oil. I read them when they were first posted to BEE-L and again sometime back on the Midnitebee site to see if there was any newer information. What I find disturbing is the lack of data. He does say in the second paragraph of the paper that the project is incomplete but that he thinks the "release of the present findings is considered appropriate," and that ("...statistical data has been carefully limited."). But I still fail to find sufficient data in the paper to support many of his statements. On the contrary, numerous questions are raised by what he says and what he does not say. For those beginners on the list who have read Pedro's paper at your site I mention the following issues and questions to help them analyze what he is or is not saying, and to demonstrate the analytical process I use when reading any scientific paper: 1. On Page 2 in the next paragraph following #4: Pedro says "after continued treatment of my colonies with Apistan strips, mites continued to proliferate and that colony health and size were diminishing...." What is meant by continued treatment? Is it the label recommended time period, or the 51 weeks of the study described later? The data is missing. If the mites continued to proliferate, how did he measure this and what was the data? Usually Apistan results in the demise of 99 percent of the mite population during the recommended treatment period, IF, the treatment was conducted during ambient temperatures of 50 degrees F. or higher. What were the levels of Varroa at the beginning of his treatment? Colonies, depending on size, with 1,000 or more mites, have been observed to collapse, and partially collapse, with Apistan hanging in the hives. Why? Because treatment was begun after mites had reached high levels. Only young bees are left in the hive after a partial collapse of the colony. By collapse I mean absconding behaviors occurred. The reason I say that treatment must be done at 50 F. or above is because we watched thousands of commercial colonies die here because they were treated in October and November while those folks who had treated in August and September lost few colonies. The reason is that at 50 and below, the cluster of bees is too tight and the bees do not move around enough to carry the chemical throughout the cluster. 2. In the next paragraph, Pedro says the same thing again. On 1 April 1996 he applied three Apistan strips (3/colony). "After six weeks (!) of treatment with Apistan, four colonies had perished and mites continued to proliferate in all remaining colonies." At what time did the four colonies perish, in the first week? Again, mite levels must have been quite high (no data), or the Apistan was not effective because the mites had developed a tolerance to the chemical, or treatment temperatures were too low. Mite populations will again build after an Apistan treatment but they will not proliferate (semantics?) unless other colonies in the vicinity are absconding and reinfecting the treated colonies. 3. In the next or third paragraph following #4 on page 2: Pedro says he waited for two weeks to allow Apistan to wear off. Did he determine that two weeks was sufficient based on some studies, or was it just a personal opinion that two weeks is enough to remove Fluvalinate from the colony environment? If it does not disappear from the colony environment, logic would suggest that there may be even very low levels remaining to confuse subsequent treatment with other products. 4. In the fourth paragraph following #4, in the last sentence: Pedro says "Hence, mineral oil, if effective against mites, could be utilized for the treatment of bee mites during the entire year contrary to other acaricides that have seasonal limitations." Is he saying that if effective, mineral oil could be used year round? Or is he saying, it could be used during different treatment periods throughout the year because it would not be seasonal or temperature dependent? Any treatment may be temperature dependent and therefore seasonal, based on bee clustering behavior. 5. In the next paragraph, top of page 3: Pedro says "Food grade mineral oil (FGMO) does not contaminate honey or honey bee products, and is not toxic to honey bees, provided that the oil is not applied in excessive quantities." Has Pedro or others conducted tests which prove these conclusions? FGMO is foreign to bee hives and therefore a contaminate. I am not aware that scientific data exists that would support Pedro's statements about FGMO. Pedro's Laboratory work: 6. Under A, #2: Pedro says that "some mites remained active (lethal doses or lethal times were not evaluated) for some time." Why not? I thought it was common laboratory practice to collect data on observations, especially those that had not been documented previously. 7. B, 1: "Yields varied between ten in a small colony to 112 in a large colony." What is a small colony? What is a large colony? Did the small colony exist because it had previously collapsed with high levels of mites? If so, one would expect to find only low levels of mites. The pretreatment history is important to any subsequent testing procedure and any claimed results. 8. The same question can be asked in B, #2: What were the colony sizes? It seems to me that beekeepers and fellow researchers would get much more useful information from this information if we knew how many combs covered with bees (or an average) were in the test and control colonies. Field work: 9. B, #3: Here Pedro used "(up to 2.5 cc) spread on top bars of the frames." He doesn't say whether this is a five, ten, or 20 frame hive. Consequently, it is not clear how much oil is used per comb, five combs, or ten combs of bees. Pedro doesn't say when he counted the mites by uncapping brood cells, I presume at the end of the test. He says "Yields varied according to degree of infestation, size of the colonies and length of treatment. ...Mite count per hundred brood cells uncapped dropped drastically (54% in some colonies to four percent in others) as oil treatment continued." Pedro doesn't give us the average mite load prior to or subsequent to treatments. A post treatment mite level drop variation from 54% to 4% per 100 cells (without average data) suggests that the FGMO may not be an effective mite control chemical. Especially is this true when it is considered that the treatment had been applied 25 times over 51 weeks! The same issue arises in the second paragraph following #3. Under Pedros' Observations: 10. #1: Pedro claims that "FGMO can be utilized effectively to control bee mites with quantities ranging from a mere film applied on waxed paper and up to 2.5 cc applied on the top bars of the frames." Really? This statement implies that the amount of FGMO that remains on (doesn't drip off of) 1.5 x 10 inch strips of waxed paper effectively controls mites. So what is the proper or effective dose to be used per comb of bees to achieve a specific level of mite control? 11. #3: Where is the data that FGMO has not affected the queen's laying ability? What tests were performed? 12. #5: "Of the twenty colonies utilized for treatment with mineral oil: One absconded; two were small and died due to pilferage (robbing).)." This is a 15 percent loss. What was the previous treatment history and mite load of the 20 colonies? If they had been previously treated with Apistan, a 15 percent loss could be expected under normal circumstances. He says the remaining colonies are thriving and building very large populations. It would be nice to know how many combs of bees are in these colonies. 13. #6: Pedro says that in the control colonies "queens stopped laying and the bees died fighting the robbers, from disease and lack of food. Nosema was observed in two of the heavily parasitized colonies." What diseases killed the colonies? Why did they die from lack of food? Nosema is never observed! It must be diagnosed by dissecting the bee and looking at a maceration of the bee's midgut under a microscope. If he observed defecation, that is not necessarily an indicator of Nosema. I have tested a lot of bees from hives heavily soiled with defecation and I found most samples didn't show any Nosema, or only two or three thousand spores per bee. 14. #10: FGMO was applied every two weeks for 51 weeks. That is 25 applications! "The use of mineral oil did not affect egg laying of the queens nor the health of the developing larvae." Is this just an opinion, or is it based on science or some data Pedro collected? 15. Next paragraph: "While it may seem that oil applications should be made more frequently (judging by the presence of mites after 51 weeks of treatment)...." How many mites were present after the 51 weeks? One wouldn't expect to kill all of the mites with any treatment. If low levels were left in the colonies (say 100 mites per ten combs of bees, or even 20 combs, or was it three mites per colony?), one might ask whether FGMO was a sufficiently effective control strategy, and certainly whether 25 applications is cost effective. 16. Pedro's Conclusion: "mineral oil seems to offer a preferable medium based on per unit cost, ...." What data did Pedro use to calculate that mineral oil is a preferable medium? And how did he calculate the costs? The data isn't in the paper. Pedro's paper, Part #2: 17. Paragraph 1: Pedro makes a: "suggestion regarding the oil dispenser. I found that it needs to be modified because the bees soon learn to avoid it." Do they avoid the dispenser, or the FGMO? Why do they avoid it? 18. Pedros' new method of applying mineral oil from a bottle placed in the hive: If the bees avoid the dispenser or FGMO as stated above, why would Pedro think that placing the bottle in the hive would be attractive and therefore an effective treatment? How will he provide a measurable and effective dose to the environment of Varroa, the colony? Based on the way the paper is written and the apparent lack of data, I cannot conclude with Dr. Rodriques, either that FGMO is effective at controlling Varroa, or that the control colonies died from Varroa alone. They may have died from a combination of "disease, lack of food, Nosema," poor queens, or other variables that occur in colonies. I look forward to reading Dr. Rodriques' final scientific paper on FGMO. I hope it provides evidence that the product will effectively control mites, and that it will be a cost effective method to do so. It is my opinion from talking with many bee scientists in the last 20 years that many of them also analyze scientific papers in a similar manner as I have done. They want to know the who, what, when, where, and why answers so they can duplicate their colleague's work under varying weather and geographic conditions. They also want to replicate a test several times to eliminate variables and improve the statistical reliability of the data they gather. In my opinion, all of the fuss that has been stirred up among beekeepers, on this list, and in the scientific community, about credibility, and FGMO, is solidly based upon the lack of data in Dr. Rodriques' paper and perhaps on many of the issues I raised above. I hope his final paper will remove all doubt about FGMO. I appreciate innovative ideas about products, chemical or otherwise, that may have potential as a miticide. I appreciate that many products used in other fields, such as veterinary medicine, may have potential as miticides for bees. Let's test them using accepted scientific principles, processes, and methods. Beekeepers can even do this work but they should use previously accepted methods uniformly, consistently, and collect the appropriate data accurately (like Allen Dick and others are doing with Nosema). If these methods are not used, tests and any results are said to be anecdotal. I also think that anecdotal accounts of observations have some level of validity. I have learned a lot from beekeepers who have made some very analytical observations of bee colonies. If one keeps these in mind, they may add up to a word picture which has an explanation which is different than the beekeeper originally thought, and they may also lead to a potential study project which may in turn lead to a research project and some beneficial results. An example of this is the work being done, at Washington State University by Dr. Sheppard, with an extract of mint oil. The project was suggested by a commercial beekeeper who had tested the product, kept some records, and thought he was seeing some good results. Dr. Sheppard is in his second year of work with the product. This is a long reply but I hope it will be helpful to the readers of BEE-L. James C. Bach jbach@agr.wa.gov jcbach@yvn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 20:29:41 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: jon mac cann Subject: Re: CONFIRM BEE-L In-Reply-To: <980403.072253.EST.SYSAM@cnsibm.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 In message <980403.072253.EST.SYSAM@cnsibm.albany.edu>, Aaron Morris writes >PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE folks, SERVICE REQUESTS GO TO THE SERVER, POSTS GO >TO THE LIST!!! > >CONFIRM BEE-L is a service request. Do NOT send the command back to the >list, we've all see it already! Sending the service request to the list >will not provide to you the service you are requesting and on April 15 >the list server will delete you from the list! > >It's really very simple - send a single line of mail to: > LISTSERV@cnsibm.albany.edu >that reads: > CONFIRM BEE-L > >Aaron Morris - thinking service requests go to the SERVER > posts go to the list. CONFIRM BEE-L -- John McCann ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:27:51 -0800 Reply-To: jcbach@yvn.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: James C Bach Subject: Converting a deep hive to westerns MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rod Rupert asks how to switch hives from deeps to mediums boxes. The way I do it is to reduce the hive to one deep box in the spring. I move pollen into the top deep brood nest box if necessary, and remove the bottom box to the garage. If the colony is six combs of bees with three combs of brood, I add one western, if the colony is nine combs of bees with six combs of brood, I add two westerns. Feed as necessary, or if the westerns contain foundation. Add westerns as needed so as not to crowd the brood nest. This can be checked easily by coming out at night with a flashlite covered with red celophane and lifting the second and subsequent westerns to see how crowded the bees are. If they cover the combs densely from wall to wall they are two crowded. A little experience with judging density of the bees is quickly gained. When the queen has moved up into the first and second western, I turn the remaining deep box upside down. The brood will hatch and usually the bees will not store pollen or honey in cells that slope downward; Provided, that you have put on enough westerns for them to store pollen to the sides of and below the brood rearing area. If you have enough westerns on, the bees will readily move up and out of the deep as the brood hatches. At times I have put a queen excluder on top of the up-turned deep to keep the queen from going back down where there are eggs and open brood. But I no longer think this is necessary if you put the eggs and open brood in the center of the deep with emerging and capped brood to the sides of the open brood. When there is only capped brood in the deep (10-14 days later) and most of the colony can cluster above the deep an excluder is not needed, or may be removed. James C. Bach jbach@agr.wa.gov jcbach@yvn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:05:01 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Conrad Sigona Subject: Re: Converting a deep hive to westerns Comments: To: James C Bach In-Reply-To: <20330435902295@yvn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, James C Bach wrote: > Rod Rupert asks how to switch hives from deeps to mediums boxes. > > The way I do it is to reduce the hive to one deep box in the spring. I > move pollen into the top deep brood nest box if necessary, and remove the > bottom box to the garage. If the colony is six combs of bees with three > combs of brood, I add one western, if the colony is nine combs of bees with > six combs of brood, I add two westerns. Feed as necessary, or if the > westerns contain foundation. > > Add westerns as needed so as not to crowd the brood nest. This can be > checked easily by coming out at night with a flashlite covered with red > celophane and lifting the second and subsequent westerns to see how crowded > the bees are. If they cover the combs densely from wall to wall they are > two crowded. A little experience with judging density of the bees is > quickly gained. > > When the queen has moved up into the first and second western, I turn the > remaining deep box upside down. The brood will hatch and usually the bees > will not store pollen or honey in cells that slope downward; Provided, that > you have put on enough westerns for them to store pollen to the sides of > and below the brood rearing area. If you have enough westerns on, the bees > will readily move up and out of the deep as the brood hatches. > > At times I have put a queen excluder on top of the up-turned deep to keep > the queen from going back down where there are eggs and open brood. But I > no longer think this is necessary if you put the eggs and open brood in the > center of the deep with emerging and capped brood to the sides of the open > brood. When there is only capped brood in the deep (10-14 days later) and > most of the colony can cluster above the deep an excluder is not needed, or > may be removed. > > James C. Bach > > jbach@agr.wa.gov > jcbach@yvn.com > > > Conrad Sigona conrad@ntcnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:06:59 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Conrad Sigona Subject: Re: FGMO on Midnitebee page Comments: To: James C Bach In-Reply-To: <19480504602242@yvn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > hope it provides evidence that the product will effectively control mites, > and that it will be a cost effective method to do so. Can't any of you geniuses understand that Dr. Rodriguez has not published, nor has attempted to publish, a scientific paper? His "final scientific paper" was probably published years back in veterinarian school. He has no good reason to torture himself with publishing one just for us. He offers only seat-of-the-pants advice for anyone who cares to use it and doesn't pretend to present a scientific treatise. Conrad Sigona conrad@ntcnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:31:28 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rn_Johanesson?= Subject: Apimo on the road again! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BD608E.C192FC60" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BD608E.C192FC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello friends and others :-) During the Christmastime I lost my computer and it contents! Thereby = setting me 7 month back in work.Well I got my computer back but in bad = condition, so I had to start nearly over by scratch. 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Sincerely Tom Barrett 49 South Park Foxrock Dublin 18 Ireland e mail cssl@iol.ie Tel + 353 1 289 5269 Fax + 353 1 289 9940 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:17:44 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: BKPR333 Subject: Re: Suburban Beekeeping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit We have 5 hives of buckfast bees(?) in our backyard in a very suburban location and have never had a problem with keeping bees in town. In fact the neighbors encourage it because of the pollination and the general good health for the environment. One neighbor actually sets out a water dish for the bees and changes the water twice a day! I make sure they all get some honey in the fall. The neighbor directly to the north of our house has 5 young children and they play in their backyard about 30 ft from the hives and the bees have never bothered any of them. I make sure they get plenty of honey. There is no local ordinance regarding keeping bees in town. I do make sure they have good ventilation a clear flight path and plenty of clean water. We took off about 250# of honey from these hives last fall. good luck , bkpr333@aol.com close to the shores of the great lake Erie 8 hives and counting ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:06:09 +0300 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: CONFIRM BEE-L MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 RnJvbTogam9uIG1hYyBjYW5uIDxncmVlbmhpdmVAbmV3YmVlLmRlbW9uLmNvLnVrPg0KIA0K am9uIG1hYyBjYW5uIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+ID5JdCdzIHJlYWxseSB2ZXJ5IHNpbXBsZSAtIHNl bmQgYSBzaW5nbGUgbGluZSBvZiBtYWlsIHRvOg0KPiA+ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgTElTVFNF UlZAY25zaWJtLmFsYmFueS5lZHUNCj4gPnRoYXQgcmVhZHM6IENPTkZJUk0gQkVFLUwNCg0K PiBDT05GSVJNIEJFRS1MDQoNCnZlcnkgZ3JlZW5oaXZlDQpvciBuZXdiZWUNCnNlZSB0aGUg YWRkcmVzDQo7LSkNCg0KZ3JnciwgamFuDQqwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCw sLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLANCkphbiBUZW1wZWxtYW4gLyBJbmVrZSBE cmFiYmUgICAgIHwgICAgIG1haWx0bzpqdGVtcEB4czRhbGwubmwNClN0ZXJyZW1vcyAxNiAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgIDMwNjkgQVMgUm90dGVyZGFtLCBUaGUgTmV0aGVybGFuZHMNClRlbC9G YXggKFNPTUVUSU1FUykgWFggMzEgKDApMTAtNDU2OTQxMg0KaHR0cDovL3d3dy54czRhbGwu bmwvfmp0ZW1wL2luZGV4My5odG1sDQqwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCw sLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLANCg0K ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 10:54:42 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Keeping bees in suburban neighborhods Tom Barrett asks about keeping bees with a neighbor mowing his lawn as close as 5 meters (or yards). I have had several hives at home, in a reasonably dense neighborhood, for more than 30 years. And that's two different houses in two totally different neighborhoods. Initially, that was at a time when lot's of little kids were in our yard, playing with our little kids. I've never had a complaint, even when one of the little kids got stung! (I'm really amazed at no complaints.) Certainly I've had neighbors mowing lawn as close as 5 meters. If you can do it, I think the best thing would be to have a fence at least 5 feet (1 3/4 meters?) high that the bees had to fly over to and from the hive. That would prevent the occasional "bump", and make the activity nearly invisible. I've never been able to have a fence. It is important to buy gentle queens, even at the sacrifice of some honey production, and re-queen every year. Don't dress like a space walker...and don't wear gloves. I just wear jeans, and old white shirt, and a veil. If you look like a space walker, how will your neighbors feel unprotected? Be generous with your honey...neighbors come first, at no charge. Talk about your bees. Tell them you get gentle queens every year, how fascinating they are, how wild bees are being killed by mites, etc. When someone gets stung, ask about the circumstances. Emphasize that a honey bee will fly away before stinging. Find a bee on a flower, disturb it, and demonstrate that it will not attack. See if you can determine that it was a wasp rather than a bee. I always start by saying (jokingly) "anyone who gets stung around here just knows it was by one of my bees". Don't do hive inspections during times of dearth. I've had neighbors (and family) chased into their house by doing hive inspections in August...when there are huge populations, and no flora. Two weeks later, when the goldenrod and asters bloom, everything is quiet again. I don't know of any books on the subject. I hope this helps. Lloyd LloydSpear@email.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:17:06 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Bill Bartlett Subject: Scientific Experiment! ; < ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Today I am wearing my scientific hat. Here in the State Of Maryland, USA, upon request you can get a small plastic vial containing synthetic pheromone to use as an attractant to bait hives in hopes of catching a swarm. Time: Start 2:07:59P Finish 2:11:38P Temperature: 68F Relative humidity: 53% Location: Valley Lee, Md. In front of strong hive( 6 frames of brood) ( 22,365 bees in hive) Purpose of experiment: Just to see what would happen! Preparation: Rub small amount ( one dab from open end of vial) on fingers of right hand. Action: Place hand on landing board at front of hive. Very slowly at first until whole hand is resting on board. Observed action of bees going in and out of hive and around my fingers. Moved fingers slowly. Moved fingers faster. Conclusion: Nothing happened Final thoughts: Bees didn't care if I was there with or without the pheromone. ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<);<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<);<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<);<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) billy bee ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 10:40:18 -0600 Reply-To: rcanaday@ionet.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Roy Canaday Subject: Re: Scientific Experiment! ; < ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bill... read with interest your post on synthetic pheromone... The vial that I used (in the swarm trap) included a notice that gloves should be worn while handling... They didn't say why, but I'm curious! Exactly who are they trying to protect, and from what? BTW, nothing happened in my swarm trap, either. Perhaps if applied to the hand of a virgin, a lot of drones could be attracted ?!?... (you didn't mention) Kidding!! On a serious note, to anyone who has read this far... We received two 3# packages of bees w/queens yesterday, in EXCELLENT condition, hardly any dead bees at all... EXCEPT in ONE of the queen cages, ALL the attendants were dead! Statistically almost impossible, given the health of all the other bees in the cage. Could she have killed them herself? We left a nice hole abt 1/16" dia. through the candy in hopes they'd not take TOO long getting her out? Any experienced thoughts out there are greatly appreciated. Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:44:05 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: WUhlman Subject: Re: Suburban Beekeeping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've had two hives on my deck (on my 50 ft. downtown lot on Queen Anne Hill) here in Seattle for three years---no problems at all. In fact, my neighbor swears that this is the first time that he has had mare than five or six apples on his tree. My neighbors carefully watch for any undue activity and dutifully call me at the office with reports. I faithfully give them all honey at harvest time! Go for it! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:11:04 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: P-O Gustafsson Subject: New address MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit P-O's Homepage in Sweden has moved to a new server. The new URL is: http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ My email has also changed to: beeman@algonet.se -- Regards P-O Gustafsson, Sweden beeman@algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:33:38 -0600 Reply-To: rcanaday@ionet.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Roy Canaday Subject: Bee Suits MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My wife has FINALLY announced she'd like to help me with the bees... Good news, Maybe... The problem is, I KNOW, if she gets stung even ONCE early on, it's the end of the game. Perhaps later, it wouldn't be such a big deal, but I am REALLY CONCERNED right now. Her birthday is about 3 weeks away, and I'd like to get her a bee-suit... closest thing to sting-proof that was ever conceived! She's almost 5 feet tall on her tip-toes... most catalogs I've seen are a little VAGUE on what size fits who... If anyone out there has any info on quality/size that might be appropriate for her, I would sincerely appreciate by personal E-mail, since this doesn't concern the group, some advice... as some of those suits are rather pricey... I wouldn't mind the price, but I'd like to be sure I'm getting what I'm looking for. Thanks, roy. rcanaday@ionet.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:37:28 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Conrad Sigona Subject: Re: Scientific Experiment! ; < ) In-Reply-To: <199804051513.LAA14347@eaglenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Bill Bartlett wrote: > Conclusion: Nothing happened > Final thoughts: Bees didn't care if I was there > with or without the pheromone. They probably like you so much, it doesn't matter whether you have pheromone, but if you were a proper scientist, you would be prepared to discuss a) whether you washed your hands, b) whether it matters which hand you use, c) whether someone else's hand is better, and c) whether a prosthesis can also be used. Further, you'd have to delay the publishing of your results and retest everything next year to make sure the lack of response wasn't caused by El Nino. Conrad Sigona, E.E. (Egghead Extrordinaire) conrad@ntcnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:51:21 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: CSlade777 Subject: Re: HELP! abandon colony Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I would not open a hive at low temperatures except in an emergency. To find out what is happening in your hives in the winter look at the debris that has fallen onto your varroa floor. You will soon gain experience at reading and interpreting what you find there. There is an excellent little book "At the Hive Entrance" by H.Storch which tells you how to know what happens inside the hive by observation on the outside. Chris Slade ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:51:19 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: CSlade777 Subject: Re: Bee Huts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit One of our association members kept bees in an adapted garden shed in the middle of a town (Weymouth). It worked but there were some problems,: temperature control on hot days, seeing eggs and larvae in the dim light and smoke dispersal spring to mind. You can end up smoking yourself rather than the bees. Advantages are that you can use the cheapest timber. Bees tend to fly towards the light and ignore the beekeeper, but the window must be arranged so that they have an exit. To prevent drifting the front of the shed must help the bes find the right entrance, either by marking each entrance differently or by placing different landmarks e.g. potted plants by the entrances. Chris Slade ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:07:54 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: JRVinLov Subject: CT NUCS AVAILIABLE ABOUT MAY 01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I JUST SPOKE TO MY FRIEND NORMAN FARMER (BRISTOL,CT). HE TELLS ME HIS NUCS WILL BE READY ON OR ABOUT MAY 01, 97. IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN THESE NUCS, HIS PHONE # 860-589-8371. NORMAN IS A REPUTABLE BEEKEEPER I HAVE KNOWN HIM OVER TEN YEARS. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:23:10 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Robert A. Roach" Subject: Re: Suburban Beekeeping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, A lot depends on your neighbors. You can do some things with your bees = but people's perceptions about bees are another matter. I work for the = local agriculture department (or "bee police" ala The Olde Drone) and = since we don't inspect bees in this county anymore, most of my time = spent on bees is dealing with swarms calls, complaints about neighbor's = bees, bees in the old shed and so on. About half the people who call = claim to be allergic to bees and fear death if stung. I suspect only a = fraction of them really are truly allergic and at risk of anaphylactic = shock from a sting or two. The danger of getting stung is quite low. I = occasionally have a hive in my backyard. I have one there now, a swarm = I got last week. I mow right around them with a power lawnmower. My = neighbors do not complain. They probably don't know they are there. I = did put a wooden lattice on part of the fence so they have to fly up = when passing through the closest neighbor's yard. =20 Bee poop is sometimes the problem. I had a call last year from a = neighbor a block and a half away. Every car and house for 200 yards had = little yellow flecks on it. That guy had 4 or 5 vigorous hives in his = backyard. I convinced him to cut it back a bit. Now he has two and I = am not getting any complaints. I heard an anecdotal tale about a beekeeper who had some hives on his = roof, next to a car dealer. The bees would defecate all over the new = cars. A lawsuit was mentioned but they reached an agreement and paid = him to remove the hives. =20 One beekeeper in another town had the neighbors go to the city council = and complain. The city passed a law against beekeeping. This is what I = really want to avoid. But then the neighbors moved and nobody is = enforcing the law, so he has snuck a few bees back in. Last week I had a call from a new resident. Her neighbor had bees and = she was of course highly allergic. She said the bees were swarming all = over her car. I went to see the site and found a healthy colony just = across the fence and a freshly-caught swarm in a nuc in the front. The = beekeeper was fixing his car in the drive. I knew him, he had about 350 = colonies but the river took them two years ago. Now he is a gardener. = He agreed to move the bees but needed to keep a nuc around because he = was providing apitherapy for some people. His neighbor seemed to = understand and accept the situation.=20 My advice is to keep them out of sight in a fenced area. Higher fences = make better neighbors. Don't have too many colonies. Give the = neighbors some honey if they figure out you have bees. It also helps to = educate the neighbors about the value of bees, what a swarm is about and = how not to get stung around bees. Of course if any bee stings them, = they will be sure it is one of yours. Bob Roach ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:33:32 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: wd6esz Subject: Re: Suburban Beekeeping In-Reply-To: <199804051049.LAA21864@mail.iol.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Computer Software Solutions Ltd wrote: > Has anybody made a detailed study of the do's and dont's of suburban > beekeeping?. I don't know about detailed, but I know many do. > Is it possible to have bees quiet and 'non defensive' enough to virtually > cause no problems with neighbours in a suburban environment?. The nearest > neighbour could mow his grass, 5 yards from a hive. My neighbors mow their grass 3 FEET from one of my hives, but there is a 6 foot fence between. > Has anybody worked out preferred methods of handling bees in this > environment to diminish the possibility of problems?. Yes, handle them during the weekday when everybody is at work and school. Rich > Any personal experiences would be very welcome, and if any books exist on > the subject, I would be pleased to hear of them. > > Sincerely > Tom Barrett > 49 South Park > Foxrock > Dublin 18 > Ireland > > e mail cssl@iol.ie > Tel + 353 1 289 5269 > Fax + 353 1 289 9940 > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:28:22 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Urs Schaufelbuehl Subject: Re: HELP! abandon colony MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You also can put your ear (the scientific conclusion if left or right ear is not in yet) to the outside of the hive and judge by the sounds you hear the state of health of your bees. You will soon gain experience at reading and interpreting what you hear there. -----Original Message----- From: CSlade777 To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Sunday, 05 April, 1998 14:53 Subject: Re: HELP! abandon colony >I would not open a hive at low temperatures except in an emergency. To find >out what is happening in your hives in the winter look at the debris that has >fallen onto your varroa floor. You will soon gain experience at reading and >interpreting what you find there. >There is an excellent little book "At the Hive Entrance" by H.Storch which >tells you how to know what happens inside the hive by observation on the >outside. >Chris Slade > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:05:25 +0900 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: j h & e mcadam Subject: Re: Suburban Beekeeping MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Has anybody made a detailed study of the do's and dont's of suburban >beekeeping?. 1. Keep quiet bees - requeen with queens from a breeder you trust every 2nd year. 2. Asking that neighbours should be able to mow 5 yards from a hive is a little difficult. Whilst we do whipper snipper right up to the hives with nothing more than a light net in case of accident, we do choose the weather carefully. Hot humid weather does bring out aggression in bees and I have been hassled by the odd bee well out of line of sight of the hives when thunder storms are building. The fumes from mowers are offensive to bees. I would suggest place the hives as far as possible within your own boundaries, having in mind the following points: 3. If hives are placed facing an obstruction such as a high hedge or shed wall, bees leaving the hive immediately rise above the obstruction and maintain this as their flight path coming and going. They are unlikely even to be noticed by people at ground level. 4. Bees require adequate supplies of good quality water and will return to the same source. If a water supply is removed, bees will continue to check out the area for at least 6 weeks (possibly the life of the bees who have obtained water there). I strongly recommend a continuously monitored water supply closer to the hives than any alternatives on neighbouring properties. I keep an ice cream container with hessian over the side down into the water in my verandah amongst pot plants. Bees will suck up the moisture from the hessian or use it for firm footing. Betty McAdam HOG BAY APIARY Penneshaw, Kangaroo Island J.H. & E. McAdam Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Subject: Re: Suburban Beekeeping In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980406110525.00671784@kigateway.kin.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > 1. Keep quiet bees - requeen with queens from a breeder you trust > every 2nd year. 2. Asking that neighbours should be able to mow 5 yards > from a hive is a little difficult... Universal advice can be a bit misleading. Bees do behave very differently in different locales. Bees that would eat you alive in Southern Ontario can be worked without a veil in Alberta. I know I've moved bees from there to here. Andy has often talked about how vicious normal bees get when taken to some areas of Arizona. I have had close to 1,000 hives in my front yard at home temporarily with delivery people and neighbours coming and going without incident. ...And we mowed close to them and even picked up the hives to mow under them at mid-day without veils. However, I would not recommend that people try it unless they know what they are doing. Once again, the best advice is don't consider this worldwide list to be the last word. Ask around locally. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:10:48 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Frank Fox Subject: Re: Suburban Beekeeping -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain for 3 yrs. my wife & i kept 8 hives on a postage-sized lot & never had any serious incidents, even though our neighbors were mowing their lawns only 10 yards away. the biggest help was the construction of a "bee fence" to go on top of the regular 4' high chainlink fence. we added another 4' of chicken wire, forcing the bees "up and over" before leaving our yard. even when they returned, they had to drop in from high levels. this kept them out of the dangerous"swatting zone". nobody batted at them, so no response was necessary. we also constantly "coached" our neighbors about proper beeyard etiquette & plied them with LOTS of delicious honey! frank fox nashville, tn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:37:37 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: IBRA Subject: Re: Finding Stuff In-Reply-To: <06211188503268@systronix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT IBRA has a great deal of information and charts which show all aspects of bees and beekeeping. Just the thing for schools and school fairs. Check, out our website. http://www.cf.ac.uk/ibra/index.html =================================================== Richard Jones, Director International Bee Research Association 18 North Road, Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK Tel: (+44) 1222 372409 Fax: (+44) 1222 665522 Email: ibra@cf.ac.uk =================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:29:33 -0500 Reply-To: jbrown2@swbell.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Jimmy C. Brown" Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services Subject: Pop Syrup as feed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have the opportunity to obtain several 55 gallon barrels of pop syrup to use as bee feed. I've seen it mentioned in the past that some commercial bee keepers use pop syrup to feed thier bees. I need to know if this pop syrup is good for the bees. The bottling co has agreed to seperart the diet pop, so that I will get only sugared syrup. Is this syrup good for my bees? I know that in the past when the kids spill a bottle of pop, the bees are all over it. I want to have a good source of cheap feed for my bees, but I don't want to give them anything to hurt them. Thanks Jim Brown ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:38:38 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: John Goodman Subject: HONEY CROP GROSS MARGINS Comments: To: "Vladimir V. Obolonkin" Comments: cc: APINET-L Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: "Excerpts from BEE-L" To: Bestofbee@systronix.net Subject: Re: Buckwheat honey From: "Vladimir V. Obolonkin" To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Nectar production of Buckwheat (B.) are known here (Russia and post-Soviet countryes) from ancient times as Buckwheat and B-honey are (and were) very respectable here. Figures of different B. sorts' nectar prodactivity present in all bee-textbooks. I remember that the prodactivity can vary from 50 to 190 kilo of honey from hectar depending of sort. Both mentined textbooks and old beekeepers say that to get B.honey often is a lack. Becous B. gives nectar in warm (not hot!), wet (not rainly!) weather. B. NEVER give (they say) nectar crop on freshly manured grounds. Yours Vladimir O. from Belarus -5 at night, +5-7 at day. Where is the spring going to come?! Thanks for this information Vladimir - I have stored it away for future use. Do you have more details which might help me construct full Gross Margin data for honey from this source? ie Colonies/ha: Yield/ha: 50-190kg Variable Costs such as - Feed (eg sugar): Medication (eg varroa): etc Many thanks to you and all those who responded! JOHN GOODMAN Regional Bee Inspector, NE England CSL National Bee Unit, UK # http://www.csl.gov.uk/navf.htm) # Tel/Message:+44 (0)1833 690561 Fax(at York):+44 (0)1904 462240 j.m.goodman@csl.gov.uk International Coordinator for the "Apinet" APINET BEE (Bee Educ & Ext) NEWS # ( http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/ ) # ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:58:57 +0300 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Scientific Experiment! ; < ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable with how many money did your recieve for this experiment from your "Honey Board", US government, University fonds?? ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<);<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) gr, jan Bill Bartlett wrote: >=20 > Hi All, >=20 > Today I am wearing my scientific hat. >=20 > Here in the State Of Maryland, USA, upon request > you can get a small > plastic vial containing synthetic pheromone to > use as an attractant to bait hives in hopes of > catching a swarm. >=20 > Time: Start 2:07:59P Finish 2:11:38P > Temperature: 68F > Relative humidity: 53% > > Conclusion: Nothing happened > Final thoughts: Bees didn't care if I was there > with or without the pheromone. >=20 > ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<);<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) > ;<);<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<);<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) ;<) > ;<) >=20 > billy bee --=20 =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0 Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | mailto:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index3.html =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:01:54 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: CSlade777 Subject: Re: Suburban Beekeeping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The first lesson for a suburban beekeeper is to locate a bolthole more than 2 miles away asap. Keep only a very few of your most docile hives at home. If they are in sight of passers by/ neighbours disguise them as compost bins etc. or keep them in the bee house you were asking about. Don't dress up as a spaceman before playing with your bees unless you are prepared similarly to equip your neighbours. People have been known to generate complaints just from the presence of a purely decorative hive on the lawn which hasn't had a bee inside it for years. Chris Slade ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:19:42 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Midnitebee Subject: new pages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! Tony's "End of Year Summary" is located at:http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Also, George's "Ready or Not-Swarm Season" is located on the same page. Herb Holly-B Apiary P.O.Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:53:54 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: McManus Subject: Removed? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am I no longer on list? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:42:54 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Alden P. Marshall" Subject: Re: FGMO resistance? On Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:30:08 -0600 "Excerpts from BEE-L" writes: >From: Bill Truesdell >To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > >I am only a hobby beekeeper but would love to see a good study of >FGMO. There >has not been one. Granted, it may work. Seems to by the posts on this >list, >but that means zero to me. There were similar testimonies on essential >oils, >followed years later by disaster. > >I will try it on a hive that I can afford to lose. Since I have not >lost one hive >in the past two years and only one in the year when many were losing >all their >hives, and I did not use FGMO, I will stay the course with Apistan and >crisco >patties. > >My main concern is that we northerners are in a low period for varroa. >All the >hives that had mites died, so took the mite with them. As the mites >rebound, and >they will, we will see another winter like the one three years ago, >but probably >not for a couple of years. If those who use FGMO last through it with >no losses, >then it will have proven itself. Until then, ease off on those of us >who do not >follow the piper. > >Bill Truesdell >Bath, ME > Hi Bill, All due respects, which piper are we talking about? I notice you use Crisco patties, FGVO? Perhaps it is not Apistan that is doing all the Varroa control for you? I have used them myself for a number of years. Have found V(egitable) O(il) to do an exceptional job of control using the drone comb sample method. Your right, time will tell. I think this experimentation (as long as approved food chain substances are used) can be very constructive. I suppose this post will open a can of worms, will hear all this stuff about anything in excess is poisonous, to much broccoli can kill you? Alden Marshall B-Line Apiaries Hudson, NH 03051 Busybee9@Juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:56:53 -0500 Reply-To: lkrengel@mc.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Larry Krengel Subject: Re: Bee Huts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just built a "bee house" last summer. It was somewhat inspired by reading about the bee houses of Europe in the middle ages. I understand that the Germans had some very ornate ones. It was, though, more inspired by three bear attacks in one summer. The bear population has risen recently, and the bears that used to stay in the deep woods have moved closer to people... and my bees. I keep these bees at my summer home in northern Wisconsin (USA). I built this house to hold about a dozen hives in a square building made of thick rough-sawn wood. It has a shed roof and open eves to allow bees (and smoke) and easy means of escape. There are no windows down low, but a number of wood hatches that can be removed when I am working to provide better lighting. I finished the season with only one (weak) colony surviving the bears. This summer will be the first real try at keeping bees in the new abode. Bees do make life more interesting and challenging. Larry Krengel Marengo, IL USA Excerpts from BEE-L wrote: > From: Computer Software Solutions Ltd > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > > I recently obtained some information on beehuts and I was wondering if > > anybody on the list is using them. I saw somewhere that they were > popular in > mainland Europe. > > I live in Ireland in a damp, temperate to cool climate (somewhat > similar to > the UK). We rarely get frost or snow here, as I am within a few > kilometres > of the sea, but the winters are cold and usually damp. > > I am exploring the possibility of using a beehut in my suburban > garden. What > I was wondering was, does a beehut isolate the bees from the noise of > mowers and other gardening machines, as I have had a few stinging > incidents > caused by these machines. And are there any significant disadvantages > which > would need to be borne in mind when evaluating beehuts?. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 03:40:47 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Elroy Rogers Subject: Web page/FGMO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I have a web page that I am not using I been thinking of using it for my FGMO test results this spring. I thought I would put up my weekly treatments and results of mites infestation using either rolls. There will be a test done at the start and each week after. I have been thinking of using 3 test colonies with no treatment, 3 apistan, and 3 mineral oil. Iwould like to make this as even as possible by making them all 5 or 6 frame nucs around 15th of may, and giving all a new queen. I do confess I am pretty ignorant when it comes to doing research on bees. I have played around with HTML a little so I could probably write a pretty basic web page. If anyone has some ideas on what type of data they would like too see on a web page or format, please feel free to pitch in. I would like to get it put together in the next two weeks, because after that I may not have much time. Please help need lots of it to make it work Elroy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:34:13 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Varroa and funny hive colours Hi All The last week or so I have spent many many hours manning an observation hive at a Science Festival and I noted the range in hive temperature over that time. Now my observations previously have shown that brood hatches faster over warmer periods, sometimes by as much as a day earlier than expected (esp with queens). Now if we rear our bees in small cell size dimension combs and maybe paint the front and back of the hive blue so that early morning hive temps are slightly higher and afternoon temps are unaffected one would be able to raise the hive temp at times when it will not badly effect the bees (eg midday) and thus speed the brood rearing cycle up. I don't know what effect increased temp has on varroa. But hopefully in this way one could get the brood to hatch before a full varroa reproductive cycle has been filled?? Just a thought. Keep well Garth Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis Eastern Cape Prov. South Africa Time = Honey If parents taught kids about the birds and bees, guys would believe they were half the women they used to be!! Standard Disclaimer applies to this post. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:37:37 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Tom Speight Subject: Re: Bee Huts In-Reply-To: <06230820203289@systronix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In message <06230820203289@systronix.net>, Excerpts from BEE-L writes >From: Computer Software Solutions Ltd >To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > >I recently obtained some information on beehuts and I was wondering if >anybody on the list is using them. I saw somewhere that they were popular in >mainland Europe. > I use one in the southern end of the Lake District (North of Barrow-in- Furness.) My bees certainly seem to winter better than those 'outdoors', but huts do have drawbacks - at least mine does. Because there is one entrance per hive, the practice of placing one brood box over the supers in swarm control, or queen rearing is impossible. the bees can be manipulated in weather when I would not normally open a hive. No roofs are needed; just a crownboard. no problem with damp hives. Bees don't seem to bother when the hive is opened. >I live in Ireland in a damp, temperate to cool climate (somewhat similar to >the UK). We rarely get frost or snow here, as I am within a few kilometres >of the sea, but the winters are cold and usually damp. I am even nearer to a coastal estuary >I am exploring the possibility of using a beehut in my suburban garden. What >I was wondering was, does a beehut isolate the bees from the noise of >mowers and other gardening machines, as I have had a few stinging incidents >caused by these machines. And are there any significant disadvantages which >would need to be borne in mind when evaluating beehuts?. Your mowing may not bother the bees in the hut, but the I suspect flying bees outside will be affected just the same. Send private e-mail if I can be of any more help. -- tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:34:57 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: Varroa and funny hive colours MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Garth, Interesting, because all my hives are painted dark grey. Also used small cell size in one brood chamber. No loss of bees in the past few years, but I use Apistan and crisco patties, so who is to tell what is going on. I painted them after reading that varroa can be killed by high temperatures. Love to experiment. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Garth wrote: > Hi All > > The last week or so I have spent many many hours manning an > observation hive at a Science Festival and I noted the range in hive > temperature over that time. > > Now my observations previously have shown that brood hatches faster > over warmer periods, sometimes by as much as a day earlier than > expected (esp with queens). > > Now if we rear our bees in small cell size dimension combs and maybe > paint the front and back of the hive blue so that early morning hive > temps are slightly higher and afternoon temps are unaffected one > would be able to raise the hive temp at times when it will not badly > effect the bees (eg midday) and thus speed the brood rearing cycle > up. > > I don't know what effect increased temp has on varroa. > > But hopefully in this way one could get the brood to hatch before a > full varroa reproductive cycle has been filled?? > > Just a thought. > > Keep well > > Garth > > Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries > Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis > Eastern Cape Prov. > South Africa > > Time = Honey > If parents taught kids about the birds and bees, guys would believe they were half the women they used to be!! > Standard Disclaimer applies to this post. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:16:21 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Schriner, Jeff" Subject: Bee-feed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hey all, I'm working on my third year as a beekeeper. Have added 5 new hives this spring for a total of 20. In the past I have fed Granulated Sugar (sugar syrup) and am looking into trying high-fructose corn syrup. My question is what are some sources for this product? Does it need to be diluted? Is it more economical than sugar at the $20/50lb bag price I currently pay? I (the bees) are having a fantastic spring. my existing hives are all off to a booming start and honey and pollen is coming in already. Stark contrast to last year's cold wet spring. Thanks in advance for your help! jschriner@aegonusa.com Cheers, Jeff ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 06:37:27 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Roy Nettlebeck Subject: Re: FGMO resistance? In-Reply-To: <3523FF26.E358463E@starpoint.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Elroy Rogers wrote: > Hi all beelovers, > I am sorry to inform everyone that reistance to FGMO as already showed up! > It is on this list, I am not talking about the v-mites I am talking about > everyone that has the title master beekeeper, state bee inspector, PHD or some > other fancy title after their name. I had checked back on all the personal > emails I have received on FGMO and the ones that disagree, or state there is no > scientific evidence to backup the FGMO statements. They are people that work > for the government in some way, WHY? From past expierence I have always > learned to follow the money, I have lost friends because I have borrowed them > money. > > Now I could not think of any money trail out there, but now I remmember. THERE > WILL BE MONEY FLOWING LIKE HONEY FROM THE NHB FOR RESEARCH IN THE NEAR FUTURE. Hi Elroy and All, I would like to make a point about the ones that want the scientific evidence on FGMO.The definition of evidence is per American Heritage Dictionary- New College Edition, " The data on which a judgement or conclusion may be based, or by which proof or probability may be established." The reason that people with fancy titles after there names need evidence is quite simple.They want to see real proof and not just claims. Some of these people are on the leading edge of Honey Bee research.Many have studied Bees for over 30 years.We are lucky for there presence on this list. If you read there posts closley ,they do not say that FGMO will not work.They want evidence and in a nice way , ask questions that we should all ask, before screaming from the mountain top. It is dangerous to post information on this list with out being shure of the results. FGMO has been used for many years against HBTM.The people that used FGMO put it on a paper towel , then on top of the brood nest.They also treated for Varroa or they lost there bees.The way you apply FGMO is important and has to be very specific.We all love Honey Bees and don't need a title , to ask questions. We make progress only with good questions asked and as many opinions as possible. To set the records straight, there is not a lot of money out there for Honey Bee research.The people that get it have earned the right to preform the reaserch.Just having a PhD will not get you the grant money.You need more under the hood and are in compitition for the moneys that are availible.It is easy to blame the government or others.I know how the govenerment works. I spent 32 1/2 years in the DOD. Most of the time in management.We do need to work together and use others with more training as a tool and a positive help for the future in beekeeping.We make this a positive place.We all have something to say. It might not be are opinion but it is valid for the one that makes the statement. Best Regards Roy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:15:27 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Al Needham Subject: Bee Keepers in SW Washington State (USA) I received the following message from my web site. Anyone in SW Washington State care to respond to Jim ? ............................................................................................................. username: Jim Stacy email: jlstacy@pacifier.com messagetext: I just bought 4 hives. I live in SW Washington (State). I would like to know some more info about bees and internet addresses of bee associations/bee keepers in SW Washington. ............................................................................................................. Al, ................................................................... <"Mailto: awneedham@juno.com" > Scituate,Massachusetts,USA The Beehive-Educational Honey Bee Site Visit Ye Olde Honey Bee Book Shoppe http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:29:33 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Computer Software Solutions Ltd Subject: Suburban Beekeeping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All Thanks very much for all of the help I received on this topic. In my attempts to get a list of notes for myself on this subject, I have put together as best I can, the advice so kindly given to me by the members of the list. I summarise these below as I understand them, and I would be glad of further comments and criticism. The agressiveness of the colony can be kept at a low level by re queening each year with a queen of known docility. Two types of bees can cause trouble for the surrounding residents or passers by. 1. Foraging Bees 2. Guard Bees 1. Foraging Bees. Of the two, these are the more benign bees and are easier to cater for. Foraging bees may attack when:- (1) they blunder into a person. (2) they are interfered with during foraging. (3) they are foraging frenzily in the vicinity of the apiary looking for easy pickings (robbing). The following will reduce these possibilities. (1) Surround the apiary by a fence say 2 metres high which will raise the flight paths from the general public. (2) Provide a water supply in the apiary if possible, to prevent the water foragers descending on neighbours pools and water gardens. (3) Institute procedures to prevent robbing. 2. Guard Bees. These seem to be the 'bad boys' and are more difficult to handle. The likelihood of attack from the colony depends on the number of guard bees deployed. The number of guard bees deployed by a colony:- (1) varies directly with the length of the entrance to be defended. (2) varies inversely with the amount of nectar coming into the colony. (3) varies directly with the perceived threat (from the beekeeper and/or from robbing). (4) varies inversely with the length of time which has passed since the perceived threat was a reality (the passage of time from when the threat occurred, causes the number of guards to be reduced). (5) varies with the weather - hot humid weather causes more guard bees to be deployed, warm pleasant weather causes fewer. The following will reduce the likelihood of attack from the guard bees. (1). After manipulating the bees, reduce the sizes of the entrances for about an hour. This will reduce the number of guard bees that can be deployed. To achieve this, I am installing sliders on my hives, which will make this procedure easier. (2) During a dearth, reduce the sizes of the entrances. (3) Institute procedures to stop robbing, and if robbing is occurring, then reduce the sizes of the entrances. (4). Since all manipulations must disturb the colony, keep the number of manipulations to a minimum, and try to arrange that neighbours are not in their gardens (week day beekeeping) when the bees are being worked on, or for an hour or two afterwards. (5) Do not manipulate the bees during hot humid weather. Sincerely Tom Barrett 49 South Park Foxrock Dublin 18 Ireland e mail cssl@iol.ie Tel + 353 1 289 5269 Fax + 353 1 289 9940 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:22:45 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Barricklow, Walt" Subject: bee sting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been keeping bees for about 4 years now, and have 10 hives. They seem to do quite well by using conventional medication and care. They are calm bees, and don't usually flare up, and I take my time not to hurt them. I finished with the bees, and moved away to my truck and was hit from the side. I do not think that I was in a glide path, in fact was behind the bees. I got a hot flash in the side of my eye. A quick look by my wife, a quick scrape, and a sting was out. A few hours later my eye was swollen shut. I have not had a reaction from bee stings before, only a slight swelling and itch alittle. This scares me a little. Is this a reaction because it was in a very soft place, or can I look to get more reaction in the future. I get stung very seldom. The swelling is almost gone after 3 days, but still tender. Walt in SC ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:37:20 -0700 Reply-To: acuell@hooked.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Armando G. Cuellar, Jr." Organization: ALACO District Attorney Subject: Capturing Swarms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello from Walnut Creek, California. I am new beekeer ( 5 hives) with a question, if anyone can help me. Two days ago, two of my hives swarmed. I had a hive ready to go, so I captured one of the swarms in it and they seem to be doing all right. The second swarm collected itself in a ball on the ground in front of another one of my hives where it has remained until today. I do not have any more hive bodies, so I cannot capture this swarm. My question is this: can I put this swarm in with the one that is already in a hive box? I would hate to see these guys perish. Please advise, if you have the time. Thanking you in advance, Andy Cuellar CATAMA Ranch ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:54:05 -0700 Reply-To: gclewis@penn.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Gary C. Lewis" Subject: Re: bee sting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It would not hurt to check with a Doctor just in case you have become allergic to stings. Did you have any problem with breathing? Was there a problem when you swallowed? Other than the swelling of the area around the eye was there any other problem. How long did the eye stay swollen? I have been stung many times and it seems that certain areas of the body will swell more that others. A sting on the arm is just a small red spot with no welt. A neighbor was over one day and didn't want to put on a suit. A normally quiet hive just kind of exploded when I was getting ready to close the hive up. Before my neighbor could move he got hit with a number of stings. The Stings on his head were large and red, his eye was swollen shut but the stings on the arms and hands were just red. Be on the safe side check with a doctor. It may be nothing to worry about or you may have to carry something with you if you get stung again. Gary C. Lewis Duke Center, Pa. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:03:25 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: GImasterBK Subject: Re: bee sting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Walt: It was "probably" the very soft tender location. Had you taken any anti-inflamatory agents, aspirin. ibuprofen, percoset, etc. in the 24-48 hours prior to the sting? Anti-inflamatory agents negate ones built up tolerance of sting trauma. Why not go out today, make a bee sting the end of your finger, and observe the results. If your arm swell, so an allergist and hospital today and be checked. I get stung on purpose once each day, even Christmas Day, to maintain by built up immunity (like getting a booster shot once a year for tetanus). Hence, if I do get 30-50 stings quickly, everything is OK. It helped tremendously when I worked with AHB in Brazil. My guess is you are OK, but it is better to inquire and maybe do a tiny self experiment. George Imirie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:07:41 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner Subject: Spraying Bee attractants... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Several people have now expressed opinions about the following questions: >> A local avocado orchard grower is going to spray a bee phermone on his >> blossoming avocado orchard to attract more bees to the blossoms. Has anyone >> heard of this proceedure before? Would this be a viable project for other >> plant species? Decades ago bee researchers ended up along what I consider a very wrong track --- believing on the basis of sparse evidence --- that some chemical or other would naturally attract bees searching for food sources. Gordon Waller (USDA) conducted many careful experiments in the 1960s and found that learning could play a part in attraction to food sources. However, various substances he tried failed to work as reported. (Waller, G.D. 1970. "Attracting honeybees to alfalfa with citral, geraniol and anise." J. Apic. Res. 9,9-12. ALSO, Waller, G.D. 1973. The effect of citral and geraniol conditioning on the searching activity of honeybee recruits. J. Apic. Res. 12,53-57.) During that same period, Patrick Wells and I conducted a series of experiments and achieved much the same sort of results as those obtained by Waller. (Wells, P.H. and A.M. Wenner. 1971. "The influence of food scent on behavior of foraging honey bees." Physiol. Zool. 44,191-209.) Unfortunately for beekeepers, those carefully derived results largely did not appear in beekeeping books (even today!), apparently due to a desire on the part of some researchers to maintain 1950s dogma that Nasanov gland extract will attract bees searching for food sources. Consequently, we again find people trying to "re-invent" the wheel; a host of presumed bee attractants has thus appeared on the market. Pat Wells and I also reviewed this "attractant" subject in Excursus NG ("The Scent Gland [Nasanov Gland] of Honey Bees") of our 1990 book (ANATOMY OF A CONTROVERSY: The Question of a "Language" Among Bees. Columbia Univ. Press). However --- again unfortunately for beekeepers --- establishment bee researchers wrote scathing reviews of that book, apparently without having read it first. (By contrast, we received scores of laudatory comments about the book from those outside the narrow field of bee research.) Neither, apparently, do bee researchers cite that Excursus of ours. As Andy Nachbauer so well expressed the mess that occurred in recent years: "In the end the difference between those who use these so called bee attractants [and those who don't] does not measure up to a real crop gain and does NOT gain enough extra crop to pay the cost in all but a very few cases, which are used to promote the sale of the material to the next progressive farmer." Mark Winston and K. Slessor provided a more recent review (1993. "Applications of queen honey bee mandibular pheromone for beekeeping and crop pollination." Bee World. 74,11-128). On page 119 they summarized: "Various products containing blends of worker pheromones and/or food additives have been sprayed on flowering crops over the years in attempts to attract potential pollinators and increase crop yields. These commercially available products have hopeful names such as Beelure, BeeScent, Bee-Here, Beeline, and Pollenaid, and likely contain various components of the worker Nasonov pheromone, sugars, and/or attractive oils. Unfortunately, none of these products or the individual components they contain have proven effective in commercial pollination." As Joe Traynor has stressed, the secret in pollination contracts is to provide healthy bees --- and lots of them. Adrian Adrian M. Wenner (805) 893-2838 (UCSB office) Ecol., Evol., & Marine Biology (805) 893-8062 (UCSB FAX) Univ. of Calif., Santa Barbara (805) 963-8508 (home office & FAX) Santa Barbara, CA 93106 *********************************************************************** * "...scientists are paradoxically resistant to change, even when * * confronted with evidence that virtually demands change of them." * * * * Barber, 1960 (in Greenberg, 1983) * *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:16:05 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Thomas D. Harker" Subject: Re: bee sting In-Reply-To: <19980407163055547.AAA141@DEFAULT.barnwellsc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:22 PM 4/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >I finished with the bees, and moved away to my truck and was >hit from the side. I do not think that I was in a glide path, in fact was >behind the bees. I got a hot flash in the side of my eye. A quick look by my >wife, a quick scrape, and a sting was out. A few >hours later my eye was swollen shut. I have not had a reaction from bee >stings before, only a slight swelling and itch alittle. This scares me a >little. Is this a reaction because it was in a very >soft place, or can I look to get more reaction in the future. I get stung >very seldom. The swelling is almost gone after 3 days, but still tender. > Walt, I seldom swell from stings but was hit once in a tender part of my ankle near the achilles tendon and it swelled up like a sprained ankle. The ankle was swollen and itchy for days. I was also stung last year by two bees (through canvas gloves) within an inch of each other on the back of one finger. My finger grew quite large and couldn't be flexed for about a week. Since I have gained confidence and stopped wearing gloves, I haven't been stung in the hands. :-) Last week a friend stopped by while I opened one hive and though he was 20 feet away and out of the normal glide path, a bee flew onto his head and stung him in the scalp about an inch above the ear. My friend has short hair that stands straight out about 1/4 inch from his scalp. I guess the bee had a hard time landing there and panicked. Fortunately, my friend didn't, I scrapped the stinger out and he only had a slight headache without any noticeable swelling. Tom 3 hives in Northern Illinois (Rockford) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:26:14 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Greg Maddux Subject: Re: bee sting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - >I have been keeping bees for about 4 years now, and have 10 hives. They >seem to do quite well >by using conventional medication and care. They are calm bees, and don't >usually flare up, and >I take my time not to hurt them. I finished with the bees, and moved away >to my truck and was >hit from the side. I do not think that I was in a glide path, in fact was >behind the bees. I got a hot >flash in the side of my eye. A quick look by my wife, a quick scrape, and >a sting was out. A few >hours later my eye was swollen shut. I have not had a reaction from bee >stings before, only a >slight swelling and itch alittle. This scares me a little. Is this a >reaction because it was in a very >soft place, or can I look to get more reaction in the future. I get stung >very seldom. The swelling is >almost gone after 3 days, but still tender. Walt in SC > I have been stung by bees and wasps on the face (between eyes and temples) several times before. Each time, my eyes were swollen nearly closed. It would always be gone in a few days. Stings to other parts of the body are normal, just small welts. I think it is probably just because of a soft tissue area. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:48:24 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Barricklow, Walt" Subject: re bee stings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tnx all for the info on bee stings. I had been taking ibprohen, large doses, for arthritius(sp) in my knee. but, I stopped because of stomach pains. I may have still have had some in my system. I did not experiance any shortness of breath, or dizzyness, just swollen eye. The swelling is going down, and I am getting back to normal, putting in 5 more hives. Im going to let a bee sting me to see if its alright, but im sure it will be alright. I think that it was just in a very sensitive place. Thanks again to all. Im going to have a complete knee replacement the first week of May. Ive told the doctor that I keep bees and would there be a problem. The normal drug is ibprohen for pain. That is probley not going to work, I have not heard back from him about the bees yet, but should soon. Guess I better go have a long talk with the girls about stinggers. Take care WALT in SC ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:21:04 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: BeeCrofter Subject: Re: Suburban Beekeeping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit 2 Things to consider as an urban or suburban beekeeper in addition to the things which should be common sense. 1 give the close neighbor some honey even if you are just starting and have to purchase it from another beekeeper. A jar of honey over the fence can cure a world of ills. 2 dye your beesuit khaki - if you look like a nuclear spill team when you work your hives you will attract the wrong kind of attention. WARNING Rit brand brown dye will turn beesuits pink you have to add some olive green to get a decent khaki color. Tom in CT ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:32:56 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "A.S.CHESNICK" Organization: LPA Subject: Re: bee sting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ouch i know what that feels like i have been hit in the eye a cople of times from yellow jackets{this is my first year and i am waiting for my bees to arive}. i took som benedril{sp?} and it cleared up in a cople of days. but my eye was huge for those 3 days {since i am slightly alergic to yellow jackets and other wasps} Ian Chesnick 8 Champion tr Fairfield pa 17320 {right by ski liberty!!} (717)642 8888 chestnic@cvn.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:37:09 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "A.S.CHESNICK" Organization: LPA Subject: how doth the little busy bee... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/national/sci-quantum-bees.html This article by Malcom W. Brown begins: "How doth the little busy bee improve each shining hour? By making honey, of course. But also by prompting scientists to think about the deep significance of gooey coils that pile up when honey is poured on toast, and how quantum mechanics might choreograph the dancing of bees. "Two papers that recently came to light (one in the March issue of Nature, and the other not yet accepted for publication) celebrated the humble honey bee, reminding readers that seemingly trivial problems can lead to weighty insights. " ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:43:42 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: McManus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FULLHOR ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:13:51 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Curtis Seyfried Subject: Any URBAN BeeKeepers out there ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" any urban beekeeper out there ? Disclaimer: The following is for educational purposes ONLY, and is not meant as a substitute for medical care ! It is not intended to medically prescribe or promote alternative therapies, or replace qualified medical care. If you have, or think you have, a condition which requires medical attention you should promptly seek qualified health care. Curtis Seyfried cseyfrie@mail.interport.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:33:31 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Robert E Butcher Subject: Re: bee sting Hi Walt, I once was stung on the right side of my face just above the ear. I was swollen from my right ear all across to my left eye. Because you do not receive stings on a regular basis. You will get immune to them after awhile. I also have been stung on my upper lip, it swelled up so much I looked like I had a bird beak . They were tender spots also. God Bless You Robert&Teresa Butcher bobbees@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:43:37 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: McManus Subject: Fw: Re:FULLHOR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: > To: Garry Libby > Subject: Re: Re:FULLHOR > Date: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 1:33 AM > > Hi Garry > > First, I'm new to the bee-l. I was receiving all the info off the line > until I was sent "Options". Sense then I have received nothing but the list > of options. I have sent to bee-l various messages trying to get back on the > line. So I read the little info I was sent and figured that's what I'm > suppose to do, Hence FULLHOR. Please tell me how in plain English, thank > you. Joe > > ---------- > > From: Garry Libby > > To: McManus > > Subject: Re:FULLHOR > > Date: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 1:01 PM > > > > Hi,Could You please explain??? > > > > FULLHOR ????? > > > > > > Garry Libby > > Boston,USA > > LibBEE@email msn.com > > if con is the opposite of pro, > > is congress the opposite of progress? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:40:42 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: CSlade777 Subject: Re: Varroa and funny hive colours Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This is an interesting experiment the amateur can do if he can get hold of temperature sensors that can be placed in the brood nest and read from outside the hive. On second thoughts a gardener's maximim/ minimum thermometer might suffice. My first guess at the result of the experiment is that variant B of Newton's third law (each action is opposed by an equal and opposite reaction, especially when playing with Bs) will occur: the efforts of the beekeeper to raise the temperature of the broodnest to what HE THINKS it should be will be exactly matched by the efforts of the bees to maintain the temperature at what THEY KNOW it should be. Chris Slade ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:40:43 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: CSlade777 Subject: Re: Suburban Beekeeping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Tom, That was an interesting summary and I thank you for it. As your summary contains information I didn't spot on the list I assume some people posted their information privately. I wonder why? Besides clearly being of interest to you and me there must be many others who would gladly learn more. There is so much drivel on this list (some of which is mine) that it is a pity to hide the nuggets of gold in private e.mails. Regarding the defensive/aggressive behaviour of bees I gather that this is partly governed by a number of independently inherited genetic characteristics. I suggest reading The Honeybees of the British Isles by Beowulf Cooper published by the British Isles Bee Breeders' Association or The Elements of Genetics with special reference to the Honeybee by Mesquida. Chris Slade Our friends across the larger wet bit may have more up to date information in view of the recent rapid advances in the knowledge of genetic inheritance. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:40:44 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: CSlade777 Subject: Re: bee sting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Walt I can sympathise. There may always be the odd kamikaze bee in even the most peaceful hive. Some places react worse than others. Anything on the face may make the eyes water. Ankles are most painful. Everybody reacts differently. My first stings of the season take two days coming up and two days going down again but by the end of the season I may have a slight irritation as if I have caught myself on a splinter and then find a sting embedded in my finger. It might be a worth while experiment to get oneself deliberately stung at intervals during the winter to keep the immunity going. Chris Slade ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:55:00 +0300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Carlos Aparicio Subject: Re: bee sting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Makes a pair of months was stung by a bee in an eye. It is a very distasteful sensation, and extremely painful. I lost momentarily the vision of this eye. Hours after, the pain disappeared and I recovered the vision. Speaking thereinafter with bee people, they said me that when is sat the nonfriendly buzz of a bee defend the eyes with one hand . In a nutshell: a painful experience, without consequences of long term and that is possible to avoid. CARLOS APARICIO At 12:22 PM 07/04/1998 -0400, Barricklow, Walt wrote: >I have been keeping bees for about 4 years now, and have 10 hives. They >seem to do quite well >by using conventional medication and care. They are calm bees, and don't >usually flare up, and >I take my time not to hurt them. I finished with the bees, and moved away >to my truck and was >hit from the side. I do not think that I was in a glide path, in fact was >behind the bees. I got a hot >flash in the side of my eye. A quick look by my wife, a quick scrape, and >a sting was out. A few >hours later my eye was swollen shut. I have not had a reaction from bee >stings before, only a >slight swelling and itch alittle. This scares me a little. Is this a >reaction because it was in a very >soft place, or can I look to get more reaction in the future. I get stung >very seldom. The swelling is >almost gone after 3 days, but still tender. Walt in SC > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:55:11 +0300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Carlos Aparicio Subject: Re: Capturing Swarms Comments: To: acuell@hooked.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Andy: The second swarm shouldn't be preoccupations motive. It will not remain where it is. At this time, explorers are seeking a place where to establish the definitive wild beehive, and in little time will be gone. Would be perhaps a good idea, that you give them the refuge that they are seeking, something which would permit you thereinafter to assign it to a box standard and beguin a beehive. To give them that refuge, you do not need a beehive comercial type, but a common refuge that it can be an invested booth, without floor, or a large pul pot invested, to a certain height of the soil. Regards and luck CARLOS APARICIO At 08:37 AM 07/04/1998 -0700, Armando G. Cuellar, Jr. wrote: >Hello from Walnut Creek, California. I am new beekeer ( 5 hives) with a >question, if anyone can help me. > >Two days ago, two of my hives swarmed. I had a hive ready to go, so I >captured one of the swarms in it and they seem to be doing all right. >The second swarm collected itself in a ball on the ground in front of >another one of my hives where it has remained until today. I do not have >any more hive bodies, so I cannot capture this swarm. My question is >this: can I put this swarm in with the one that is already in a hive >box? I would hate to see these guys perish. Please advise, if you have >the time. > >Thanking you in advance, > >Andy Cuellar >CATAMA Ranch > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:19:13 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner Subject: Bee attractants... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In my earlier posting today about the Nasanov gland pheromone (10:07a.m., 7 April), I failed to address Bill Bartlett's relevant comment of 6 April, as follows: ******** "Today I am wearing my scientific hat. "Here in the State of Maryland, USA, upon request you can get a small plastic vial containing synthetic pheromone to use as an attractant to bait hives in hopes of catching a swarm. "Preparation: Rub small amount ( one dab from open end of vial) on fingers of right hand. "Action: Place hand on landing board at front of hive. Very slowly at first until whole hand is resting on board. Observed action of bees going in and out of hive and around my fingers. Moved fingers slowly. Moved fingers faster. "Conclusion: Nothing happened. Final thoughts: Bees didn't care if I was there with or without the pheromone. ******* Bill is quite correct. We have there further evidence that the Nasanov gland exudate is not a general attractant, per se. By contrast, swarm scouts searching for an appropriate cavity will find that same chemical very attractive, as covered in the following article: 1992 Wenner, A.M. Swarm movement: A mystery explained. Am. Bee J. 132 (1):27-31. ******* Consider, instead, that the Nasanov gland substance is a "swarm movement" pheromone, an "orientation" pheromone, and/or a "settling" pheromone. Suddenly, all the behavioral pattens observed by beekeepers around the world make a lot more sense. If, for example, Bill Bartlett had shaken a number of bees out onto the ground and placed the plastic vial (lure) just upwind of that spot, he would have found that those displaced bees would have moved toward the lure. If he had observed scout bees checking out cavities, an addition of the lure to one of those cavities would have resulted in an increased activity there. Also, some of those searching scouts would have even approached his fingers from downwind --- as has happened to me when setting out swarm hives. When will the beekeeping books incorporate this sort of information? Don't hold your breath. Rely, instead, on what the bees tell you. I covered that issue in an invited 1989 review article ("Concept-centered versus Organism-centered Biology." American Zoologist. 29,1177-1197). That is, we should attend more to what animals do than to what theory dictates that they should do. Adrian Adrian M. Wenner (805) 893-2838 (UCSB office) Ecol., Evol., & Marine Biology (805) 893-8062 (UCSB FAX) Univ. of Calif., Santa Barbara (805) 963-8508 (home office & FAX) Santa Barbara, CA 93106 *********************************************************************** * "...scientists are paradoxically resistant to change, even when * * confronted with evidence that virtually demands change of them." * * * * Barber, 1960 (in Greenberg, 1983) * *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:11:45 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Gary Bradshaw Subject: Re: Bee-feed In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BD627A.8E0A1700" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BD627A.8E0A1700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jeff We carry HFCS in our supply store and at the levels you are talking about, the cost is about half that of dry sugar. Also, being fructose and dextrose, it is readily used by the bees. The problem, if you don't know the source is the method by which the HFCS was made. It must be enzyme converted, otherwise it could be harmful to the bees. We sell in pails or in drums but shipping is a problem for most small beekeepers. Gary GBees Honey Farm gbees@worldnet.att.net -----Original Message----- From: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology [mailto:BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU]On Behalf Of Schriner, Jeff Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:16 AM To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Subject: Bee-feed Hey all, I'm working on my third year as a beekeeper. Have added 5 new hives this spring for a total of 20. In the past I have fed Granulated Sugar (sugar syrup) and am looking into trying high-fructose corn syrup. My question is what are some sources for this product? Does it need to be diluted? Is it more economical than sugar at the $20/50lb bag price I currently pay? I (the bees) are having a fantastic spring. my existing hives are all off to a booming start and honey and pollen is coming in already. Stark contrast to last year's cold wet spring. Thanks in advance for your help! jschriner@aegonusa.com Cheers, Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BD627A.8E0A1700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Jeff
We carry HFCS in our supply store and at = the levels=20 you are talking about, the cost is about half that of dry sugar. Also, = being=20 fructose and dextrose, it is readily used by the bees.  The = problem, if you=20 don't know the source is the method by which the HFCS was made.  It = must be=20 enzyme converted, otherwise it could be harmful to the bees.  We = sell in=20 pails or in drums but shipping is a problem for most small=20 beekeepers.

Gary 

GBees Honey Farm   gbees@worldnet.att.net


-----Original Message-----
From: Informed = Discussion of=20 Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology
[mailto:BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU]On Behalf Of = Schriner,=20 Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:16 AM
To:=20 BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU
Subject: Bee-feed


Hey=20 all,
        I'm working on my = third year=20 as a beekeeper.  Have added 5 new
hives this spring for a total = of=20 20.  In the past I have fed Granulated
Sugar (sugar syrup) and = am=20 looking into trying high-fructose corn syrup.
My question is what are = some=20 sources for this product?  Does it need to
be diluted?  Is = it more=20 economical than sugar at the $20/50lb bag price
I currently=20 pay?    I (the bees) are having a fantastic spring.  = my
existing hives are all off to a booming start and honey and = pollen =20 is
coming in already.  Stark contrast to last year's cold wet=20 spring.
        Thanks in advance = for your=20 help!  =20 jschriner@aegonusa.com
Cheers,
Jeff

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