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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:46:21 -0700
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From:         Robert E Butcher <bobbees@juno.com>
Subject:      Re: No Extractor:???
 
hi Al,
they come across the same way to me also. i have juno too. let me know if
you get it figured out . thanks
bob
God Bless You
Robert&Teresa Butcher
bobbees@juno.com
 
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:48:23 BST
Reply-To:     Andy.Sutherland@man.ac.uk
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From:         Andy Sutherland <MBDESAS@mail1.mcc.ac.uk>
Organization: Manchester University and UMIST
Subject:      Queen Bees
 
Date:    Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:51:30 -0500
From:    "Schriner, Jeff" <jschriner@AEGONUSA.COM>
Subject: Queen Bees
 
So there I was, checking to see that my queens had been
accepted/released from their queen cages in my splits.  In one, the
queen couldn't get thru the hole in the cage because of the dead workers
clogging up the works.  So I decided to help her and poked the dead ones
aside with a large nail.  As I was laying the queen cage back--out she
came and away she flew.  Aghhhh.  Sometimes I wish I could light cigars
with $10 bills.... Anyhow, so now I'm going to order another queen, and
well might as well order two.  Always looking to try something new and
improved I am going to try a different breeder for this pair.
Currently, all my bees/queens are from Hardeman's,  I'm thinking of
trying some Wilbanks queens.  (Did I mention I only want Italians)
        All suggestions, experiences and or comments are welcome.
Production is probably more important than temperment--but not
entirely<G>.     The established hives are very busy at the moment and
the bees have moved up into the honey supers and are working the bait
comb in the top comb supers.  My packges are taking syrup like mad and
my splits--well, they are still trying to get themselves organized.
 
Best Regards,  Jeff
 
 
 Hi Jeff,
Why not graft a Queen Cell into your hive from one of your strong colonies.
If you have plenty of colonies already and they are producing well this can save alot of money.
I used to buy my queens but would never do again, I always rear my own.
Regards
 
Andy S
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:04:01 GMT+0200
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From:         Garth <g95c6713@warthog.ru.ac.za>
Organization: Rhodes University South Africa
Subject:      Re: extracting honey without mechanical assitance
 
Hi Ben and All
 
I am posting this to the list as the idea may be of use to others.
 
A very simple 9 frame extractor can be made as follows. Get hold of a
big drum (I think they are called  40 gallon drums) and two BMX
bicycle wheels (the rims). Take out the bearings on the rims and put
a threaded metal pole through the middle. Space the rims so that a
frame can fit into the gap between them such that the lugs on the
edge of the frames catch the rim. Bolt the rims into position with
nuts threaded onto the thread. Clip out spokes on the top wheel so
that frames can be lowered into the set of wheels to clip onto the
rims. It also helps to secure the whole setup with some more lighter
threaded bars from the outer bit of the rims connecting the two
wheels. You now have a spindle into which frames can be placed. The
whole thing is then just put onto bearings (e-mail me for how I did
that if interested). The system can then be powered using an electric
drill.
 
For me it meant that I was able to make a perfectly functional
extractor for about R100 (Barrel 25, wheels R60 and sundries the
rest) which in dollar terms is about US$20 something - I am sure this
is worth it - an extractor here would cost at least fifteen times
what I payed.
 
HOpe this is of some use.
 
Keep well
 
GArth
 
Garth Cambray           Camdini Apiaries
Grahamstown             Apis mellifera capensis
Eastern Cape Prov.
South Africa
 
Time = Honey
If parents taught kids about the birds and bees, guys would believe they were half the women they used to be!!
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:07:08 PDT
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From:         T & M Weatherhead <queenbee@gil.com.au>
Subject:      Re: No extractor????
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Yes Al, I have exactly the same problem as you are having with Jan Tempel=
man's posts.  Thought it was just my system not being able to read it. =
 I just scroll through Jan's posts.
 
Trevor Weatherhead
AUSTRALIA
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:31:49 +0300
Reply-To:     jtemp@xs4all.nl
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From:         Jan Tempelman <jtemp@xs4all.nl>
Organization: Home
Subject:      No mail but only garbage
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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everbody (?) can help exept me
what I will writing he can't read   ;-)  ;-(
Aaron had the same problem but he solved it
(he don't know how!!! but he did)
I'm using netscape 4.0 composers  mailfacility
nothing special !! I think so.
 
computer solutions beeman from Ireland???? (I read the emailaddresses)
 
juno users  will read this as:
3b3VsZCBzdWdnZXN0IHlvdSB0byBiZSBhIG1lbWJlciBvZiB0aGUgUm90
3b3VsZCBzdWdnZXN0IHlvdSB0byBiZSBhIG1lbWJlciBvZiB0aGUgUm90
3b3VsZCBzdWdnZXN0IHlvdSB0byBiZSBhIG1lbWJlciBvZiB0aGUgUm90
3b3VsZCBzdWdnZXN0IHlvdSB0byBiZSBhIG1lbWJlciBvZiB0aGUgUm90
 
lucky, my message is not vital interest !!! ;-)
greeting, jan
_________________------------------------------___________________
 
 
Subject: Re: No Extractor:???
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:48:42 -0400
From: Al Needham <awneedham@JUNO.COM>
To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU
=20
On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:26:53 +0300 Jan Tempelman <jtemp@xs4all.nl>
writes:
>SSB3b3VsZCBzdWdnZXN0IHlvdSB0byBiZSBhIG1lbWJlciBvZiB0aGUgUm90dGVyZGFtIEJl
 
Does anyone else have this problem where Jan's messages read
like the above garbage ? Particularly interested if this is peculiar
only to Juno subscribers.
>=20
> I never used to have this problem with Jan's messages. It seems to
> have started a couple of months ago.
 
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=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=
=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0
home of the drone frame method.   de darreraat methode
=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=
=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=
=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index3.html
Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe     |     mailto:jtemp@xs4all.nl
Sterremos 16               3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands
Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412
=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=
=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:05:54 EDT
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From:         Aaron Morris <SYSAM@cnsibm.albany.edu>
Subject:      CONFIRM BEE-L results
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LISTSERV wrapped up the annual CONFIRM BEE-L exercise at 00:00 hours
today.  339 subscribers were dropped from the list.  I suspect some were
not able to figure out the CONFIRM instructions.  A handful of the dropped
users were no longer there (the farewell message bounced back to me).
But I was surprised that the number was so high.  BEE-L subscribers
currently number 523.
 
Aaron Morris - not sure what to think about this one....
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:38:51 EDT
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From:         Aaron Morris <SYSAM@cnsibm.albany.edu>
Subject:      Problems reading Jan's mail
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Some (many?) people have reported problems reading mail from Jan
Tempelman <jtemp@xs4all.nl>.  Jan wrote,
> Aaron had the same problem but he solved it (he don't know how!!! but
> he did).  I'm using netscape 4.0 composers mailfacility
> nothing special !! I think so....
 
Well, not quite true, I haven't solved the problem, I just understand
it a little better.  I discovered that my editor cannot read Jan's
mail (I usually read my mail via the editor - XEDIT on an IBM
mainframe) but when I view Jan's mail using my mailer (LMAIL on the
mainframe or Pegasus from my PC) they are able to read his mail with
no problems.  This tells me that there are incompatabilities with
Netscape mail and XEDIT that don't exist between Netscape mail and
LMAIL or Pegasus.  This does not tell me how to address the problem
that others have.  I suspect (speculate) there may be a setting that
could be tweaked on Jan's end in the Netscape mail configuration, but
not being a Netscape mail user, I simply don't know.  Any help?
 
Aaron Morris - thinking the more I know the more I realize there's
               a lot more that I don't know!
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:29:08 -0600
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Comments:     Authenticated sender is <allend@mail.internode.net>
From:         Allen Dick <allend@internode.net>
Subject:      WIndsocks
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> A few BeeWindSocks back in stock (6)
 
How much? How big, How good quality? etc,
 
Allen
 
BTW, when you sdvertise the Honey report or any such thing it would be
very nice if you would give the whole URL, rather than just give your main
page URL and have us try to guess which topic there is the one you are
talking about.  It is not as easy to guess as you might think.  Herb
(midnitebee) always gives only his main page because he wants to trigger
the hit counter and I have got so pissed off with that I wouldn't go there
even if he promised free money.  FWIW.
 
Have you tried Netmeeting yet?
 
Allen
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:37:02 -0600
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From:         Allen Dick <allend@internode.net>
Subject:      Read your Headers Before Sending
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Hehehe (embarassed grin) & much chagrin...
 
That last email was a personal message to Andy, not meant for the list.
 
But maybe I should mention that we both have ICQ http://www.mirabilis.com
and are aware the moment the other comes online using the buddy list.
PowWow at http://www.tribalvoice.com offers a similar (non compatible)
product with a less draconian user agreement.
 
Sorry abou the misdirected email.
 
Goes to show that I *must* read the headers *every* time.
 
Allen
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:25:39 -0400
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From:         Alan Pagliere <pagliere@DNS.HTI.UMICH.EDU>
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        The city of Ann Arbor, near the township where I live, is
planningon spraying Bacillus thruingiensis var. kurstaki (Btk), a
biological agent to control gypsy moths (a problem in this area for the
last couple of years). They plan on doing this in early May, just about
three weeks after my first ever package bees arrive.
        My question. Despite all the claims about safety and how this
agent is "toxic only to leaf-eating caterpillars within 5 days of the
application," should I worry about my bees. I can tell them we don't want
our property sprayed, but it really may not be a bad idea since the moths
have been a big problem everywhere. I know the agent is not actually a
pesticide, but does anyone know whether I should protect my bees at the
expense of my trees. Then again, is it kind of moot because the bees will
be out foraging in areas that are sprayed, such as the yards right next
door.
        Thanks for any help.
 
 ------------------------------------------
|              Alan Pagliere               |
|              Ann Arbor, MI               |
|               734-647-8000               |
|             pagliere@umich.edu           |
| http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pagliere/ |
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:52:06 +0000
Reply-To:     Barry@Birkey.com
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From:         Barry Birkey <Barry@Birkey.com>
Organization: BIRKEY.COM
Subject:      Re: No extractor????/Jan's emails
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T & M Weatherhead wrote:
 
> Yes Al, I have exactly the same problem as you are having with Jan Tempelman's posts.  Thought it was just my system not being able to read it.  I just scroll through Jan's posts.
>
> Trevor Weatherhead
> AUSTRALIA
 
Can those of you who are NOT receiving Jan's posts correctly please contact him personally at <jtemp@xs4all.nl> and let him know what mail program you are using?  Hopefully this is a
small number of you!!  (Hope too that you don't mind me saying this, Jan!)  I think it will help to know this and I'll try to work this out with you Jan, privately.
 
-Barry
 
--
Barry Birkey
Illinois, USA
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BIRKEY.COM
Web Design & Digital Illustration
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630.293.1181 ph > 630.293.3613 fx
barry@birkey.com > http://www.birkey.com
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:04:03 -0500
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From:         David Eyre <beeworks@MUSKOKA.NET>
Organization: The Bee Works
Subject:      Re: Queen Bees
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On 14 Apr 98 at 16:01, Nick Shilliff wrote:
 
> these italians are very
> prolific , produce lots of honey
<snip>
> we are in upstate Ny and they dont winter as well as
> some.they tend to raise brood all winter and need to be fed in the
> spring
 
If I may be permitted, the last statement is incorrect, this does
not apply to all Italians.
        Our Italians stop laying at the first hint of frost, and don't start
again until early spring. Perhaps the statement should read, 'start
early spring, build rapidly and need to be watched as they will
sometimes over extend, to the point they need feeding'.
 
*******************************************
The Bee Works, 9 Progress Dr, Unit 2,
Orillia, Ontario, L3V 6H1
Phone/fax  705-326-7171
David Eyre, Owner.
http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks
e-mail <beeworks@muskoka.net>
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:57:53 -0700
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From:         Don Rose <darose@YOSEMITE.NET>
Subject:      1st Grade Field Trip
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Dear Bee Buddies,
 
I have been lurking on this list for several months now.  I am a 1st grade
teacher in Mariposa, CA near Yosemite NP.  I just found out that I cannot
have an active observation hive in my rural classroom due to insurance
reasons.  There is a fear that a child will be stung and have a severe
reaction.
 
We have been doing an extensive study of the honeybee throughout the year,
and I now have 21 little bee experts who have a great respect and fondness
for the little creatures.  My plan was to culminate the study by activating
a hive in the classroom so that the kids could see first hand all of the
behaviors that they have been studying.  We would then turn around and
invite other classes in to educate them.
 
However, now I must revert to plan B o C.  Plan B would be to have a local
(Central Vall
Don Rose
Mariposa, Ca
darose@yosemite.net
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:04:06 -0500
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From:         David Eyre <beeworks@MUSKOKA.NET>
Organization: The Bee Works
Subject:      (Fwd) Introduction.
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I received the following, does anyone care to correspond with this
gentleman?
 
------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
From:          "Vitaly I.Chashin" <vit@gw-vo.lipetsk.su>
To:            <beeworks@muskoka.net>
Subject:       Introduction.
Date:          Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:19:31 +0400
 
 
An amateur of beekeeping writes to you from Russia.
I am the beginning beekeeper - have bees only third year.
I am interested what methods the beekeeping in other countries apply,
what beehives they use, what tipe of bees they contain, etc. It seems,
that the dialogue with the beekeepers from other country will be
useful. A little about me. I am 46. My wife and I work as the
engineers in communication. We have three sons - 23, 18, and 8. We
live in central Russia (about 500 kms to the south of Moskow), in the
small village with about 4000 inhabitants. The steppes around as. The
woods are almost not present. All the soil is ploughed up and is
enganged in crops of various agricultural cultures. In the spring the
bees begin to fly for nectar in the beginning of May, and finish in
the beginning of September. The most active period of the tax is July.
Write a little about yours job with bees. Excuse for bad English -
translated my dullish computer.
 
With best ragards, Vitaly.      vit@gw-vo.lipetsk.su
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:07:48 -0700
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From:         Don Rose <darose@YOSEMITE.NET>
Subject:      1st Grade Field Trip
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Dear Bee Buddies,  (My apologies to the list for seeing this twice.  I have
a new keyboard that sends my messages whenever it wants to.)
 
I have been lurking on this list for several months now.  I am a 1st grade
teacher in Mariposa, CA near Yosemite NP.  I just found out that I cannot
have an active observation hive in my rural classroom due to insurance
reasons.  There is a fear that a child will be stung and have a severe
reaction.
 
We have been doing an extensive study of the honeybee throughout the year,
and I now have 21 little bee experts who have a great respect and fondness
for the little creatures.  My plan was to culminate the study by activating
a hive in the classroom so that the kids could see first hand all of the
behaviors that they have been studying.  We would then turn around and
invite other classes in to educate them.  We were also going to have the
hive in a prominent place for open house night for parent education.
 
However, now I must revert to plan B o C.  Plan B would be to have a local
(Central Valley/ Sierra Foothill) beekeeper with an observation hive come
into the classroom for a day so the kids could have a look.  Or Plan C..
Take a field trip to a nearby museum or nature center that has a hive.
 
If any of you are in my area and could help me with one of the above plans,
please email me privately or on the list.  Thank you
 
Don Rose
darose@yosemite.net
Don Rose
Mariposa, Ca
darose@yosemite.net
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:50:18 GMT+0200
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From:         Garth <g95c6713@warthog.ru.ac.za>
Organization: Rhodes University South Africa
Subject:      Nelson Mandela catches a Buzz
 
Greets All
 
Just thought I would share the news about our President and Bees.
Being a dignified elderly statesman, the sorts of ladies he drops his
trousers for appear to be A.m.scutellata/capensis hybrids and not
interns.
 
It appears the ladies entered his bathroom after being aroused by
somebody spraying water from a hose into their hive. Spotting the
president they stung him numerous times.
 
Beings south africa however we have a twist to the tail. Tribal
Healers state that his Ancestors are angry at him. Bees in Xhosa
tradition represent the ancestors, hence his stinging represents that
his ancestors are angry. It is however also an honour that the bees
had come to live in his nearby tree, but the fact that somebody
sprayed water into it is a bit rude.
 
Nevertheless, he should gather his family around, slaughter a cow and
a goat and drink mead made by the female family members.
 
He however frimly maintains that he is not of a superstitious nature
and will just treat it as a normal bee sting event.
 
Has anybody else heard of famous statespeople being stung??
 
Keep well
 
Garth
 
Garth Cambray           Camdini Apiaries
Grahamstown             Apis mellifera capensis
Eastern Cape Prov.
South Africa
 
Time = Honey
If parents taught kids about the birds and bees, guys would believe they were half the women they used to be!!
Standard Disclaimer applies to this post.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:58:08 GMT+0200
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From:         Garth <g95c6713@warthog.ru.ac.za>
Organization: Rhodes University South Africa
Subject:      Re: Bee huts
 
Greetings All
 
I was reading an old colonial edition beekeeping manual last night
and saw some mention of bee huts. I remember that somebody asked
about it a while ago, so here is what I read.
 
 They mention the use of bee huts to get bees away from 'Baboons,
people and ratels' A ratel is a honey badger - it does not feel
stings and tends to rip up hives.
 
 The basic design consists of a platform built in a tall tree. The
platform is surrounded by a thatch or plank wall with a trap light at
the top to allow escaped bees out. The suggestion was to build it for
eight hives.
 
 A barbed wire set of protrusions was then placed around the stem of
the tree, such that only an individual with a ladder could get past.
 
As I see it here one gets a number of advantages: height, shade,
early morning sun, protection, distance from ground where silly
humans can damage your bees etc.
 
Keep well
 
Garth
 
Garth Cambray           Camdini Apiaries
Grahamstown             Apis mellifera capensis
Eastern Cape Prov.
South Africa
 
Time = Honey
If parents taught kids about the birds and bees, guys would believe they were half the women they used to be!!
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:38:44 -0700
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From:         Andy Nachbaur <andy.nachbaur@calwest.net>
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At 09:25 AM 4/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>        The city of Ann Arbor, near the township where I live, is
>planningon spraying Bacillus thruingiensis var. kurstaki (Btk), a
>biological agent to control gypsy moths (a problem in this area for the
>last couple of years). They plan on doing this in early May, just about
>three weeks after my first ever package bees arrive.
>        My question. Despite all the claims about safety and how this
>agent is "toxic only to leaf-eating caterpillars within 5 days of the
>application," should I worry about my bees.
 
This stuff normally will not harm bees, in fact a beekeeper was one of the
first to use BT to control Oak Tree worms by gathering up the dead worms
and mixing them with water and spraying them on healthy worms. We have come
a long way since then and the product today is much better. Some beekeepers
have used a strain of BT to control wax worms. It could be added to a wash
in the foundation making process and all beekeepers would be protected from
the worm. But that will never happen because of the environmental and back
to nature movement.
 
> I can tell them we don't want
>our property sprayed, but it really may not be a bad idea since the moths
>have been a big problem everywhere. I know the agent is not actually a
>pesticide, but does anyone know whether I should protect my bees at the
>expense of my trees. Then again, is it kind of moot because the bees will
>be out foraging in areas that are sprayed, such as the yards right next
>door.
 
I won't try in influence your decision as I don't need the hate mail, but
there is so much to be concerned with in our environment its sad that
groups will attract some of the natural controls like BT that was indeed
found by a beekeeper looking for natural controls for Oak Months and has
developed into a product that has replaced much harsher chemical controls
but because it is now a manufactured product it is seen as no different
then those dirty old petrol chemicals we all hate.
 
ttul, the OLd Drone
 
 
 
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:49:48 -0400
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From:         Midnitebee <midnitebee@CYBERTOURS.COM>
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Holly-B Apiary
P.O.Box 26
Wells,Maine 04090-0026
http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee
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From: Allen Dick <allend@internode.net>
To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 8:30 AM
talking about.  It is not as easy to guess as you might think.  Herb
(midnitebee) always gives only his main page because he wants to trigger
the hit counter and I have got so pissed off with that I wouldn't go there
even if he promised free money.  FWIW.
nice try..I am waiting for ALL the money to roll in for the continous "hits"
on my web site.
Oh..I see now..it's my EGO!
Anyway, in the beginning of my web site,I had no clue on web designs..now
since I bought  my own web design tool....I am able to perform ,hopefully, a
better designed "Front Page".
There is also a "registered" button, where you can give your e-mail
address..this way, you will be updated on current events.
Pissed-off..to bad!
Herb(midnitebee)..enter my site..sit back ,have a cup of
java...read...learn...and the pages will not BITE!(sting).
 
Have you tried Netmeeting yet?
 
Allen
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:20:44 +0000
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From:         Jim Rasmussen <JamesR@PE.NET>
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> I suspect (speculate) there may be a setting that
> could be tweaked on Jan's end in the Netscape mail configuration, but
> not being a Netscape mail user, I simply don't know.  Any help?
 
If he is using "Composer" as he says instead of the mail program to
compose his messages, it probably is adding formatting that is not
appropriate.  Composer is not necessary to the E mail process.
 
Jim.
Jim Rasmussen
E Mail: JamesR@PE.net
P O Box 1088
Idyllwild CA 92549
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:48:36 -0700
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From:         Andy Nachbaur <andy.nachbaur@calwest.net>
Subject:      Re: 1st Grade Field Trip
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At 06:57 AM 4/15/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I have been lurking on this list for several months now.  I am a 1st grade
>teacher in Mariposa, CA near Yosemite NP.  I just found out that I cannot
>have an active observation hive in my rural classroom due to insurance
>reasons.  There is a fear that a child will be stung and have a severe
>reaction.
 
That is easy to understand and I agree. Keeping bees is dangerous to the
public and having insurance is a good idea, in fact I am sure your school
districts policy covers this activity but the powers that bee do not want
your class to become educated about bees, heck one of them may be bit by
the bee bug and bypass higher education to become a beekeeper and what a
loss this would be to the system of higher eructation in California.
 
I would look for a local beekeeper to come in with a Observation Hive so
your students can experience the thrill of seeing the bees in the hive. Not
the same as having your own class room hive but an activity that should get
by your school administrators.
 
>We have been doing an extensive study of the honeybee throughout the year,
>and I now have 21 little bee experts who have a great respect and fondness
>for the little creatures.  My plan was to culminate the study by activating
>a hive in the classroom so that the kids could see first hand all of the
>behaviors that they have been studying.  We would then turn around and
>invite other classes in to educate them.
>
>However, now I must revert to plan B o C.  Plan B would be to have a local
>(Central Vall
 
Humm, maybe that's what you were going to do anyway, part of your message
was ate by censure bugs.
 
ttul, the OLd Drone
 
 
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:59:19 -0700
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From:         Andy Nachbaur <andy.nachbaur@calwest.net>
Subject:      Re: Nelson Mandela catches a Buzz
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At 04:50 PM 4/15/98 +0000, you wrote:
 
>Just thought I would share the news about our President and Bees.
>Being a dignified elderly statesman, the sorts of ladies he drops his
>trousers for appear to be A.m.scutellata/capensis hybrids and not
>interns.
 
Great story just wish it had been one for/on the Groper but then if it had
been our lover boy president, (so much loved by many woman voters and his
wife), Algore would have got on our case and honeybees in the US would be
outlawed for not being natives and having such bad taste...
 
IMHO the OLd Drone
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:55:21 -0400
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From: David Eyre <beeworks@muskoka.net>
To: Midnitebee <midnitebee@CYBERTOURS.COM>
Date: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: EAS Conference
 
 
On  9 Apr 98 at 14:16, Midnitebee wrote:
 
> decide to call Seven Springs, you will not get the discounted prices
> unless you mention you are going to the EAS Conference!!.. Herb
> (Midnitebee)
 
Hi Herb,
   We usually bring our room with us,... a camper. Are you familiar
with the area? If so are you aware of camp sites in the area?
yes..there are campsites at their "Festival Hall"
criteria: go to the "festival hall" and park your RV..go to the front desk
and let them know you are parked at the RV hook-up..they will turn the
electricity on..the cost is $20/day and any additional days will be $15.00
important: this is a first come first serve opportunity!!
hey..what's the matter with me..I didn't tell you folks to go to my web site
for the "additional" hits!!
Herb
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:08:00 -0500
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Greetings,
 
I live about 25 minutes from Seven Springs, the location of this years
EAS Conference.
 
The question is, what is the EAS Connference? I've seen hints that short
courses and workshops will be available, which I am VERY interested in,
but can't seem to find much info about it.
 
So, if anyone could share the details with the list, it would be
appreciated.
 
Dan Jones
dgj+@pitt.edu
Mill Run, Pennsylvania
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:50:08 +0300
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:46:37 -0700
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From:         Robert E Butcher <bobbees@juno.com>
Subject:      Re: No extractor????
 
so does anybody know how to fix it so we can read Jans' posts?
God Bless You
Robert&Teresa Butcher
bobbees@juno.com
 
On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:07:08 PDT T & M Weatherhead <queenbee@gil.com.au>
writes:
>Yes Al, I have exactly the same problem as you are having with Jan
>Tempel=
>man's posts.  Thought it was just my system not being able to read it.
>=
> I just scroll through Jan's posts.
>
>Trevor Weatherhead
>AUSTRALIA
>
 
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Subject:      BT, Bacillus Thuringiensis
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product called Certan that was a Bacillus Thuringiensis strain to be
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:29:12 EDT
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If I didn't already have an extractor I wouldn't buy one.  Without an
extractor you can work for cut comb honey using the most attractive parts of
combs.  You can sell this for much more than extracted honey. The remainder is
crushed and drained/filtered.  Leave the edges of the combs to return to the
hives as starter strips so the process can be repeated.  If your comb is wired
and thus unsuitable for cut comb, scrape it down to the midrib and replace in
the hive.  You will obtain more beeswax from the hive than you would otherwise
but when it is rendered not as much as you would expect.   Wax is a high value
product and part of your legitimate crop as the bees have a biological need to
produce wax when they are about 10 days old.  If the wax scales are not used
they will be discarded so you may as well gain the benefit of their wax making
as well as their honey producing characteristics.
Chris Slade
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:34:50 -0500
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I am looking for a source for the clear (K-resin) bear containers
preferably with label panels.  Does anyone know where I can get these at
a REASONABLE price.  I have found one source that has 12 ounce, but
would like the 6 and 8 ounce as well.  ...Would appreciate any help I
can get!
 
Thanks,
Kathy Tate
Stephenville, TX
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:04:28 -0600
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From:         Allen Dick <allend@internode.net>
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> If your comb is wired and thus unsuitable for cut comb, scrape it down to
> the midrib and replace in the hive.
 
The Japanese buy entire wired white standard combs and cut them up for
chunk honey.  They remove the wire by heating it with a battery current
(like an embedder setup) and pulling it out the end.
 
> Wax is a high value product
 
Wax is low in price these days and getting lower.  Why?  I guess the
beekeepers are no longer buying it in the form of foundation.  I expect it
to go (much) lower.
 
Allen
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:21:07 EDT
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Dan:  The Eastern Apicultural Society, EAS, was started in 1957 at The
University of Maryland; and is an amalgamation of the beekeepers of 18 Eastern
States and 5 Canadian provinces.  It meets just once a year in July or August
in a different state or province for each meeting; and this year it will be
held at 7 Springs, PA from July 13 - 18.  This is NOT a fun or recreational
program, but rather five morning into the night days of meetings,
demonstrations, workshops, and lectures all designed on the idea of "HOW TO BE
A BETTER BEEKEEPER".  The lecturers, presenters, and workshop leaders (all
except me) are nationally known or even internationally known apicultural
experts.  If you do not learn something here, you better have your head
examined; because the foremost authorities in the world are present.
Generally, between 400-600 beekeepers from EVERYWHERE attend, like Alaska,
Hawaii, Nevada, Mexico, Europe, etc.,etc.
     If you come, please say "Hello, George" to me as a run the Queen workshop
on Thursday and Friday.
      For total information, get hold of the Chairman of the Board, Dr. Dewey
Caron
Dept. of  Entomology, University of Deleware, Newark, DE. 19717.  Telephone
302
831-8883  E-mail:   dewey.caron@mvs.udel.edu
 
     Thanks for asking!                           George Imirie,  65 years
with bees in MD.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:41:58 -0600
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From:         Teresa Garcma <logar@acnet.net>
Subject:      Elias, are you there?
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Sorry to post this here, but I lost Elias G. San Juan=B4s (from=20
Canary Islands) e.mail, so:
 
Elias, si lees esto, por favor, escribeme.
 
Tere
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:05:44 GMT+0200
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From:         Garth <g95c6713@warthog.ru.ac.za>
Organization: Rhodes University South Africa
Subject:      Re: Value of wax
 
Hi All
 
On the value of wax: cut comb is a big waste of money.
 
Yes bees produce wax at age ten, but then you have to assume you have
a constant supply of bees age ten. Remember end of year flows. Very
few young bees then, and so very little wax can be produced. If you
wip out the comb, you kill this flow.
 
Wax has been estimated to be worth between ten to 18 times it's
weight in honey, and that does not include lost nectar during the
time it was being synthesized.
 
Bees foraging activity is also stimulated by the surface area of comb
available for filling. Cut com,b out, you cut honey production out.
 
A beekeeping friend of mine has calculated that here in our area, he
can get four times as much honey if he extracts as if he sells comb.
He can only get about 1.5 times more money for comb, so it means that
by selling comb he is losing a lot of money, hence he only extracts.
Same for me.
 
Also wax is not a very valuable thing. Take what you get for a bottle
of honey, times it by 18 and then see if you get that per equivalent
weight of wax??
 
I like to get as much money for what my ladies do as possible,
because then I can spend more to keep them happy. I think that is a
responsibility.
 
Keep well
 
Garth
 
Garth Cambray           Camdini Apiaries
Grahamstown             Apis mellifera capensis
Eastern Cape Prov.
South Africa
 
Time = Honey
If parents taught kids about the birds and bees, guys would believe they were half the women they used to be!!
Standard Disclaimer applies to this post.
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From:         Dave Draeger <davesets@NORTHKNOX.NET>
Subject:      Bees in Haiti
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I am seriously considering starting a beekeeping project in Haiti.
Are there any special concerns with beekeeping in a hot tropical
climate?
Dave (Just got started with my first hive in Southern Indiana)
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:30:05 EDT
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Subject:      EAS Conference Information and Registration
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Hello,
If you are interested in more information on this year's EAS Conference we
would be happy to send out a registration packet containing all sorts of info.
It includes the entire weeklong program, speakers, topics, the intense
shortcourse, the many workshops and the more social aspects of the meeting. It
also has info on directly obtaining rooms and the many activities at 7
Springs, alternative housing or camping, the two apitherapy meetings, the
Master Beekeeper's course and more.
  The packet will be mailed about the first week of May or so, and it is not
online, so please email directly to kim@airoot.com your snailmail address and
we'll send one out. You should automatically receive one if you have attended
EAS in the last 3 years, but if not please contact us. Write or call: EAS 623
W. Liberty St., Medina OH 44256, or 330.725.6677 ext 3214. Please call, write
or email us rather than Dewey Caron, EAS Chair, as he will simply pass it on
to us, and that will cause some delay.
  EAS is a great group that funds research, and researchers, awards
researchers and students, provides excellent training for beekeepes who want
to go back to the community and help train others and is a huge gathering of
good people who like to keep bees. If you've never been, now's the time.
 
Kim Flottum
Registration Committee
EAS
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:03:09 +0100
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From:         John Goodman <j.m.goodman@CSL.GOV.UK>
Subject:      HABLA ESPANOL?
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Habla Espanol? Busce el 'Internet Apicola' en Vida Apicola (Revista de
Apicultura No 87 Enero-Febrero 1998)! Hay un breve viaje por la red apicola
en castellano - es muy interesante y hay muchas direcciones WEB de
apicultura, por exemplo:
 
URL de VIDA APICOLA
http//www.apiservices.com/vida-apicola/
v.apicola@mail.sendanet.es
 
Suerte!
 
John Goodman
 
JOHN GOODMAN
 
APINET ( http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/ )
International Multilingual Extension Network
for apiculture sponsored by CSL & EUROPEA
promotes productive and healthy beekeeping
and links extension workers and others helping
to advise, educate or train beekeepers worldwide.
 
CSL NBU ( http://www.csl.gov.uk/navf.htm )
The National Bee Unit is part of a UK research
agency, the Central Science Laboratory, which
covers bee disease control and research and
provides an extension service for beekeepers.
 
EUROPEA ( http://www.europea.org )
European Agricultural Education Association an
EU based organisation serving the agricultural
education & training sector enabling students,
teachers and extension workers to collaborate.
 
 
Regional Bee Inspector, NE England
CSL National Bee Unit, UK
Tel/Message:+44 (0)1833 690561
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From:         Allen Dick <allend@internode.net>
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> Wax has been estimated to be worth between ten to 18 times it's weight
> in honey, and that does not include lost nectar during the time it was
> being synthesized. Bees foraging activity is also stimulated by the
> surface area of comb available for filling. Cut comb out, you cut honey
> production out.
 
I agree with Garth on this -- in theory.  However have to comment the
the theorical math does not always work out. The case against comb is not
quite that bad...
 
I have never made much cut comb, but did make an awful lot of Ross Rounds.
 When making the Rounds, we often found that we made on average a bit
over half amount of honey that we did in other hives making extracted
honey nearby.  We averaged 100 sections per hive while about 100
pounds were typical at that time on extracted.  I should note that the
RR sections were often about 10 ounces, not the 8 that the label says, so
that means we got around 60 pounds average on comb.  Some hives did
make double or triple the above, of course, on both comb and
extracted.  However, poor hives or poor flows made nothing on rounds where
they might have made some honey on extracted.
 
Another big consideration is that the need to build comb puts a
lot of pressure on the brood nest.  If the queen cannot or will not
compete strongly with nectar for cells (old or conservative queens), the
populations dwindle a a bit, and wintering tends to be quite a bit poorer
as a result.
 
Allen
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Kim:  Good Job!  Sure glad that you came up with the "professional" PR.  I am
just an old hardnose scientist.  Say "Hi" to all.
Grabbed Ann from Dulles yesterday.  Glad  she is home.            George
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From:         Nick Shilliff <shilliff@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      K-resin bears
 
To; kathy tate
Betterbee in greenwich NY has them in all sizes,flat fronts for
lables,price seems reasonable but that is relative!
nick shilliff
shilliff@juno.com
 
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:43:27 -0400
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From:         Garrett Dodds <dodds.12@pop.service.ohio-state.edu>
Subject:      II Training Video from OSU
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:31:30 -0500
 
To: Garrett Dodds <<dodds.12@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>
 
=46rom: Susan Cobey <<Cobey.1@osu.edu>
 
Subject: Re:=20
 
 
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</fontfamily><bold><fontfamily><param>Palatino</param>INSTRUMENTAL
INSEMINATION=20
 
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</fontfamily></bold></bigger><bold><fontfamily><param>Palatino</param>With
Susan Cobey</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Times</param>
 
 
 
</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Palatino</param>A 25 Minute, Step By
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</fontfamily></bold></bigger><bold><fontfamily><param>Palatino</param>In
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presents the technique of instrumental insemination in specific detail.
It is designed for the beginner as well as the beekeeper who wants to
refresh and update their technique. The Schley instrument and the Harbo
large capacity syringe are used for demonstration purposes. In
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</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Palatino</param>        In step by step
detail; eversion of the drone, semen collection, positioning the queen,
bypassing the valve fold and insertion of semen are explained and
demonstrated. Key aspects of each of these topics are reviewed with
trouble shooting sections focusing on common problems. Working with
stored semen is also featured. To check your technique and success, the
video also shows a simple field dissection method of the queen's
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:32:16 -0500
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From:         Nick Shilliff <shilliff@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Queen Bees
 
RE:comments of David Eyre<BEEWORKS
 
David,
Thank you for your correction.This strain of italians(calvert) did have
wall to wall bees in january and february 1997 and 1998(looser cluster
and  quite active).I compared these to other strains of italians or
carniolans that we have that drastically reduce brood rearing in the fall
and form a small tight cluster for the winter.
Thanks
Nick Shilliff
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:42:34 -0500
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From:         Steven Albritton <salbritt@IAMERICA.NET>
Subject:      Maybe lost Queen
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Well I pulled a good one last night.  Since bees is a sideline business for
me, I keep some strange hours.  My son had a baseball game yesterday
evening, so I didn't get to install 4 new packages until about 9:00pm last
night.  My state agent had recommended not buying all my packages from the
same vendor, so I tried a new vendor for these.  Up to this point all queen
cages I've seen had candy in the end.  However these did not have any candy
and I didn't realize this until I pulled the cork.  As I was moving the cage
into position, I didn't think of putting my finger over the hole until the
second package, a bee flew off the cage.  I promptly put the cage in place
not thinking to check to see if the queen was still in the cage.  I'm not
very good at finding queens, lousy in fact, so this may be fun.  Oh well,
live an learn.  Packages 2 thru 4 went off without a hitch.
Steven Albritton
LDS Communications, Sports America, Chauvin Honey Farms
Monroe, Louisiana
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From:         "Dr. Reimund Schuberth" <drs@kulmbach.baynet.de>
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According to the information about the new video production at the Ohio State University I just want to inform about other video productions from the German"Institut f|r den Wissenschaftlichen Film".
 
The following videos are acceptable in German and English language:
 
Selection of the honey-bee (47 minutes)
Insemination of Honey Bee Queens (19 minutes)
Rearing of Honey Bee Queens (67.5 minutes)
 
There are some more videos acceptable about beekeeping issues exclusively in German.
 
If someone is interested more informations gives
 
Dr. Reimund Schuberth
Am Rehenbach 19
D-96364 Marktrodach
Germany
 
drs@kulmbach.baynet.de
 
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Beekeeper in Germany (Bavaria)
Queen Rearing of Carniolan Bees
Insemination Station
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Steve:  Tough luck, but you LEARNED!  All may not be lost however.  Today is
Thursday, Wait until at least Saturday, and with LITTLE or NO smoke, carefully
examine the frames in that hive looking for eggs or the queen, and if you find
evidence of her, QUICKLY close it, add 1:1 sugar syrup for feed, and don't
forget to bow your head and THANK the MAN UPSTAIRS.
Write me back for more info, if you need it.
George Imirie
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I have a question:  What is the best way to keep  11 queens happy until
4-18-98? They are in a battery box.
 
Nick
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Nick: I assume you mean queens in queen cages, and I don't understand the
significance of a battery box.
Although not desirable, queens can be kept for as much as two weeks from the
time they were removed from a nucleus colony until you install them in new
quarters, provided they have enough "shipping candy", the attendant workers
who feed the queen are not dead, they have a daily "drink of water", and best
kept cool
(perhaps in your basement) and dark.
Do not OVER water.  Put 1 or 2 small drops of water on the wire screen surface
once each day.
However, it is always best to take off from work, and install those queens in
the afternoon when it is clear, warm, and no wind.
Is that enough? George Imirie
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In a message dated 4/16/98 5:33:15 PM EST, GImasterBK@AOL.COM writes:
 
<< Nick: I assume you mean queens in queen cages, and I don't understand the
 significance of a battery box.
 Although not desirable, queens can be kept for as much as two weeks from the
 time they were removed from a nucleus colony until you install them in new
 quarters, provided they have enough "shipping candy", the attendant workers
 who feed the queen are not dead, they have a daily "drink of water", and best
 kept cool
 (perhaps in your basement) and dark.
 Do not OVER water.  Put 1 or 2 small drops of water on the wire screen
surface
 once each day.
 However, it is always best to take off from work, and install those queens in
 the afternoon when it is clear, warm, and no wind.
 Is that enough? George Imirie >>
 
WE do have them each in cages, inside a battery box. They have a sponge for
the "attendents" to feed the queens water.
Missing work is not possible since I am only 14 and do not work (the bees are
my work)
 
Nick
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Sounds like you are doing a good job. Let's hope Saturday is a nice day.  Each
queen cage should have two corks, one in either end.  Just before you are
going to install the queen, remove the cork from the CANDY end only.  Take
VERY THIN nail or a sewing needle and make a one tiny hold through the candy
(DON'T HIT THE QUEEN), install the cage.  Your directions probably did NOT
tell you, but a real smart beekeeper feeds those bees 1:1 sugar syrup for 2 or
3 months CONTINUOUSLY so the bees can get all the foundation drawn plus to
make the queen lay lots of eggs so they will get through the winter.  The
natural nectar flow MIGHT be enough to get the foundation drawn, but usually
NOT; so KEEP FEEDING 1:1 sugar syrup which is 1 pound of sugar dissolved in 1
pint of water.
It is best not to even look in the hive for a week after you put the cage in;
but if you just cannot resist, using very little or zero smoke, you can "peek'
a look at the queen cage after 3 days, and if she is out of the cage, take the
cage out, close up the hive and 4 days later, carefully and quickly look for
the queen and eggs of larva that she has laid, close it up, and let Nature
take over.  Your job is to keep the 1:1 sugar syrup on them at all times.
Then you will have STRONG colonies next spring.  Just ask if I can help you
more.  George Imirie
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I applaud Don for his adventure teaching bees and beekeeping to his
firstgraders and hope many more teachers will take up the challenge.
 
I would like to inform teachers and beekeepers alike of my web page written
for teachers, students, and "the man on the street" :
...Of Bees, Beekeepers and Food
http://users.aol.com/queenbjan/primbees.htm
 
Janice Green
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:34:09 -0700
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From:         "Andy Nachbaur (by way of Andy Nachbaur
              <andy.nachbaur@calwest.net> by way of Andy Nachbaur
              <andy.nachbaur@calwest.net> by way of Andy Nachbaur
              <andy.nachbaur@calwest.net>)" <andy.nachbaur@calwest.net>
Subject:      New "BS" from California
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Bee Science or "BS"?
 
"California Agriculture is a peer-reviewed journal reporting research,
reviews and news from the Division of Agriculture and Natural Resources of the
University of California", and long has been one of my favorite magazines for
keeping up on what is going on as far as agriculture research goes. This
months issue has some excellent beekeeping photos, and...well lets say in
my humble opinion several so called "peer-reviewed" story's such as "Varroa
mite impacts Africanized bee spread and beekeeping", "Blessing or curse?"
 
"BS", biased science, fables, at the best editorial, and in fact there are
several more identified editorials on honeybees in this March-April issue such
as the "Decline in pollinators could threaten food supply, biodiversity"
and the best of all a story titled "Scientists see spike in Africanized
bee numbers" which is no more then a come on to the Dr. Robert E. Page, Jr.
story listed above.
 
All I can say about what I read is it had to set a new low standard in so
called  "peer" review and I would suggest that they get some new
reviewers other then those in the English Department that may have checked the
grammar and spelling but sure missed the "editorializing"  disguised as
so called beekeeping research with references and all. The repeating of old
wives tales, and statements that have no other purpose then inflame the
interest of those who may have grant money should not be allowed in any
research magazine especially sad with the history and quality of
"California Agriculture", and these story's as so full of it I will not
waste your time by listing the "BS" as you can judge for yourself as they
are PURE entertainment and the majority will read them with interest. And most
I fear won't see the "BS".
 
The on-line version lacks the beautiful bee pictures of the print edition
and may even be abridged, but I believe if you look around on this site you
may find a way to order reprints, or the magazine itself. Sorry its free to
California
taxpayers, all others pay, but I can assure you what ever they charge you its
cheaper for you then it is for me by a long ways as all here on the Left Coast
pay and pay and pay. No doubt it will all be republished as bee science in the
bee and farm magazines.
 
You can find a connection to the above from:
 
http://209.76.50.54
 
or go direct via:
 
http://danr.ucop.edu
 
ttul, the OLd Drone
 
(c)Permission is given to copy this document
in any form, or to print for any use.
 
(w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE  AT OWN RISK!
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:34:13 -0400
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From:         John M Thorp <hallelujah.honey.co@juno.com>
Subject:      Greetings
Comments: To: davesets@NORTHKNOX.NET
 
I am seriously considering starting a beekeeping project in Haiti.
Are there any special concerns with beekeeping in a hot tropical
climate?
Dave (Just got started with my first hive in Southern Indiana)
 
Hi
Dave,                                                                   Just
getting back on line after a two week crash---yucky ! At any rate what is
the full purpose in your getting started in beekeeping in Haiti
especially after just getting started. Living in south Florida is much
the same climate as where you're talking about. The help you're asking
for is your's. We know folks down there as well as some going down in the
future.
John in Homestead-Jesus Christ is the only answer
 
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:52:22 EDT
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George Imirie <GImasterBK@aol.com> wrote about keeping queens for
more than a few days:
> ... queens can be kept for as much as two weeks from the time they
> were removed from a nucleus colony until you install them in new
> quarters, provided ... (they are) and best kept cool (perhaps in your
> basement) and dark.
 
This month's "Bee CUlture" contains an article about keeping queens
after they arrive.  The article continues "BC's" examination of the
"poorer queens in recent years" controversy and this month switches the
focus from producers to consumers by looking at the atrocious treatment
queens sometimes receive once they arrive to the beekeeeper.  Top on the
list, the numero uno recommendation is to install the queens ASAP!
Ideally, ASAP is the day you receive your queens.  Nick, if "bees ARE
your work" it's hard to understand why you're waiting until tomorrow.
However, I acknowlege that things happen, as does the "BC" article when
it goes on to give tips how to best treat your queens if ASAP is more
than a day or two.  Most of the tips George gave were included in the
article, excepting the advice "keep them cool (perhaps in your
basement)", which is also how I learned it.  The article was explicit
to point out that cool conditions are NOT(!) good for held queens and
advised a minimum temperature of 65 dF!
 
At first I questioned the advice, but after reflection I can see the
point that warmer conditions may be better.  Rarely does a queen
encounter temperature like one's basement and it seems reasonable that
warmer is better.  Perhaps George and I have been doing it wrong all
these years?
 
I don't know if the "Bee Culture" article will appear online.  The Root
web site still contains the March issue (as of this morning).  But the
article is good reading and offers food for thought and support for the
queen producers.  Trevor will enjoy the article when he reads it!
 
Aaron Morris - thinking old beekeepers CAN learn new tricks!
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From:         Musashi <LJW2974@ACS.TAMU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Holding Queen Bees when ASAP isn't today
 
Regarding how cool queens that have been mailed to you should be kept, from
my personal experience, if they arrive in an envelope and it is placed in a
closed metal mailbox on a hot day, then that is too hot.  I think that's
where the advice "keep them cool" comes from.  Since I live in Texas, I took
"cool" to mean "at room temperature" (under air conditioning since outdoor
temperatures can be at times in the 100's).  Another helpful hint is to make
friends with someone at the post office and warn them in advance that you have
a queen bee coming and how easy it is for them to die in extreme temperatures,
and ask that they give you a phone call when it arrives so you can go down
there and pick it up.  Give them a work phone number if you will not be at
home when the queen arrives.  A queen sitting inside a package in a vehicle on
a hot day makes me feel uncomfortable too.  I'd much rather go and retrieve
them from an air conditioned building.  The people at the post office know me
now, and I appreciate them.
 
Layne Westover
College Station, Texas
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I'm from Louisiana and coll means the same thing to me.  The first time we
ordered queens we used my uncle's connections.  The queens came in and were
put in his mailbox where they stayed for 1.5 days.  I avoid that problem by
renting a P.O. Box.  If they sit in the PO box at least it is cool.
 
 
 
 
 
Steven Albritton
LDS Communications, Sports America, Chauvin Honey Farms
Monroe, Louisiana
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From:         Nick Shilliff <shilliff@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Re: BEE-L Digest - 15 Apr 1998 to 16 Apr 1998
 
To: Beeman Nick
From: Nick shilliff
We had queens come in a battery box last spring during a month of bad
weather.The queens were cages w/no vorkers and the workers were out w/the
sponge and feed.
every few days we added water to the sponge and a good size peice of comb
honey.
each week we uses a few queens and added new young workers to the battery
box
when we had it open.It kept in a cool dark spot in the closet for 30 days
with no apparent adverse effects on the queens.
You should be OK for a few days
Nick Shilliff
shilliff@juno.com
 
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:38:47 -0700
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From:         "Gary C. Lewis" <gclewis@PENN.COM>
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Hi Bee People,
   My Bees will be shipped to me on Monday the 20th. Two four
 pound packages with queens. I need some advice. I have no drawn
foundation, there is some in one of last years hives but it has
some mold on it. I do however have ten frames with honey from last
season. Should I place some of the frames with honey into the
bottom supers and then place a second super above that and allow
the Bees to draw out the foundation above or should I place the
frames with honey in the upper super?
  I will be feeding with syrup as well as "Crisco Patties". I
have real pollen as well as pollen substitute. How should I feed
the pollen and the substitute?
  Some may remember I posted this past winter about one hive
having been completly empty after only a few weeks. Some suggest
ed that perhaps it was do to "T. mites" others said I had provided
to much room for the bees.
  I lost my second hive due to bad luck and being stupid. I
started to feed syrup in February. My hive was tipped forward
so and moisture would run out. What this did was allow for the
vacuum to be broken in the fed pail and the syrup ran down over
the cluster and the bees died from the wet and cold. I know
stupid I remind myself of this everytime I see the empty hive.
  So if anyone can address the above questions I would help greatly.
Thank You...
 
Gary C. Lewis
Duke Center, Pa.
 
 
 
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From:         "Alyn W. Ashworth" <alyn@EMPH.COM>
Subject:      Read This! CONFIRM BEE-L results
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In message <12183068210183@systronix.net>, Excerpts from BEE-L
<bees@systronix.net> writes
>This is very important if you are a BoB subscriber (you are) but also want to
>be able to post to BEE-L and access the BEE-L logs for searches, you may need
>to send a new subscribe message to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU.
>---
>
>From:          Aaron Morris <SYSAM@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
>To:            BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU
>
>LISTSERV wrapped up the annual CONFIRM BEE-L exercise at 00:00 hours
>today.  339 subscribers were dropped from the list.  I suspect some were
>not able to figure out the CONFIRM instructions.  A handful of the dropped
>users were no longer there (the farewell message bounced back to me).
>But I was surprised that the number was so high.  BEE-L subscribers
>currently number 523.
>
>Aaron Morris - not sure what to think about this one....
 
From talking to other subscribers in the U.K. I get the impression that
many are rather disappointed with the overall content. I thought that
the Bee List was a discussion of Bee Biology, and I accept that this is
a very broad net to cast, but I high proportion seems light-years off
topic. Even BoB has very dubious stuff (Nelson Mandela, Value of Wax,
Honey Market News etc). After assault by irrelevance and unsupported
opinion ("I guess it must happen this way........."), the temptation is
to vote with ones virtual feet.
 
--
Alyn W. Ashworth
Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK.
(but I don't speak on their bee-half)
http://www.emph.com/beehome
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:27:34 -0400
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What variety of buckwheat do I need to plant to get the bees to produce
buckwheat honey?  I understand some varities are better that others.
 
--
Ken Coyle
If you can't fix it with duct tape, why bother?
coyle@golden.net
http://www.golden.net/~coyle    *****Note: New web page location.*****
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From:         Andy Nachbaur <andy.nachbaur@calwest.net>
Subject:      Re: Peer Review
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At 11:35 AM 4/17/98 -0600, you wrote:
 
>I took a quick look at the article you ranted about.
 
>Then I went back to see specifically what you objected to.  Seems to me
>that your sole objection was that a bee researcher was being paid by
>California taxpayers.
 
>I saw nothing in your rant to explain why the article was reporting bad
>science.
 
>A little substance once in a while would improve your postings.  I wrote
>that and realized it wasn't fair.  Your postings often do have substance.
>A little substance with your "opinion" pieces could help provide some
>justification for your postings
 
Hi Kenn,
 
Thanks for the comments and you are write. I will try to do better next time.
 
I was trying to make it brief and I guess I took to much out and I will try
to keep this short.
 
My main objection is the use of Bee Science to advance one's personal
opinion and that is what I read as contained in Dr. Page's story. My own
opinions are much different and have been voiced many times and  I did not
feel to repeat them would serve any cause other then fill up the treads but
I will do it anyway.<G>
 
Varroa mites do not themselves kill all bees in an apiary or a hive, and
may only be present in large numbers when other conditions are met such as
extend periods of brood rearing or individual hives that are failing for
whatever reason. It is my own guess that one or more viruses are
responsible for the great dramatic losses of bees reported and seen by
myself and others off and on for almost 50 years in my own experience. Few
Scientists understand and can talk both honeybees and the virus story so
for the most part little is said. Some good work has been done in England
in the past and continues today but it is mostly overlooked by American Bee
Scientists and beekeepers for good reason and that is so far there is
little practical that can be done about them.
 
As for aggressive bees, they need not be African but many bees in all ways
can be demonstrated to have the "killer" bee traits said to be of the
African bee. The facts are that all bees kept on in the desert southwest
from Texas to California are by any standards "killers" when compared to
the same bees kept else ware. The genes may now be different now that we
are looking at them but is it not the aggressive behavior that is seen to
be the problem of the African bee anyway and if there is no real difference
why worry.
 
Varroa mites having impact on Africanized bees in the US is just so far out
that its hard to respond to such dribble.  The same can be said of the
impact on Agriculture by African bees as if the African bee was going to
have such impact why would we not see it now when a present some if not
many of the bees moved into California agriculture are Africanized and some
of these same bees are then moved to the Pacific Northwest, East Coast,
then to the North, back to the South to start the trip all over again next
winter. The reason is clear, NO one is looking at the hive bee populations
to see what they are, and for good reason as the cost would be more then
the value of the bees being looked at and what to do if they were found to
be Africanized is now a problem that can not be overcome by the poor
quarantine laws that would not stand any legal challenge. If any bees are
"killers" its the bee keepers problem and not the states just as it has
always been and should be.
 
Last the big change in beekeeping in my lifetime is the control of swarming
in our bees. When I was a teenager one job in the bee business was that of
the "swarm catcher". This was one of my own first jobs in the bees. I once
caught 100 swarms in a small town here in July and July is not the prime
time for swarming as it is/was in April. As swarming was reduced over the
years the populations of feral bees also was reduced. Again this is nothing
new, but because no one was looking all of a sudden it's news. It takes not
5 or 15 years to have background data on the feral bees but should have
been a on going lifetime of scientific work which it was not so no
scientific background data supports any reported reduction of feral bee
populations in the California or the US.
 
The feral populations are nothing more then reflections of the hive bee
populations and their condition and management. The number of bee hives has
indeed decreased as the farm population has decreased. Beekeeping is no
longer a part of the general life on the farms as it once was but has
become a industry of its own and in many cases is not based on the farm at
all.
 
Bee management continues to change. We also have switched from keeping semi
permanent bee yards to bees on wheels and now some years no bees are kept
in some areas as in the past so less and less swarms go out into these
areas. What I see is that feral bee populations have leveled off to what
any one area will naturally support and in many areas this is very small in
most years. This years is an exception here in California and all areas are
rich in bee pasture so feral populations will show an increase overall. And
of course if the hive bees have pests, predators, and disease, so will the
feral populations and if the hive populations suffer because of it so will
the feral. What's the big deal anyway......!  Some even go as far to say
that the reduction of feral honeybee population make it better for the hive
bees and they will be more productive, others say good feral numbers help
reduce the spread of the dreaded "killer" bees, so no matter which way it
goes there will be a winner, and the winner will change from year to year
if my observations are judged to be correct.
 
None of the above is science because I say so, and if Dr..OLd Drone had
written it, it would not bee science. Science is what they do at Rothamsted
take a look at:
 
http://www.res.bbsrc.ac.uk/entnem/research/chdpage1.htm
 
And even here they are now trying to tie the viruses and varroa together
which does not explain why many areas that have both do not have dramatic
losses or explain why this year the number of losses from Varroa is zilch
in the US. Viruses do change but Varroa is expected to stay the same, but
then others will say we have European Varroa and then others say we have
Asian Varroa. I suspect we have had and will continue to have great
episodes of dramatic bee loss as in the past and they will as in the past
be explained by the pest, predators, disease that is in flavor that day.
 
ttul, Der OLd Drone
 
 
(c)Permission is given to copy this document
in any form, or to print for any use.
 
(w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE  AT OWN RISK!
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i guess this would of helped with geting "more real" ideas  is that the queens
are in plastic cages, and are for re-queening. And feeding them is not useful
becuse they will be in hives that made it through the winter. So they are HUGE
populations.
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In my original reply to a query as to how to cope without an extractor I=
=0Asuggested several ideas among which was that the extra wax available f=
ollowing=0Aprocessing was a high value product worth having.  Several sub=
sequent posts=0Ahave sugested that this is not so and beeswax has a relat=
ively low value.  It=0Adepends what you do with it.  If you sell it whole=
sale or exchange it for=0Agoods or foundation with an appliance dealer th=
en I agree the value is low.=0AHowever, not a hundred yards from where I =
am sitting the village hardware shop=0Asells 1 ounce bars of wax (unfortu=
nately not mine) for 80 pence (about a=0Adollar and thirty cents) each.  =
This works out at about =A312.80 (say $20) a=0Apound. Alternatively you c=
an mix your ounce of wax with the same amount of=0Aturpentine, put it in =
a tin with a fancy label and sell it as furniture polish=0Afor =A33 (say =
$5).  If you turn the wax into foundation, a pound will give 10=0Asheets =
which will make 20 rolled candles at =A31 ($1.70) each.
Perhaps I should have said the wax has a potentially high added value.
Chris Slade
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I have been trying to find specific varieties of buckwheat and am coming up to
a dead end.  I have contacted Dr. Tew at OSU about varieties that produced the
most amount of nectar, and unfortunately there just isn't any info available.
Buckwheat just isn't grown as much anymore.  Any variety of buckwheat will
produce nectar. I am planting an acre this spring.  An acre to me is alot, but
I guess to the bees, it's minimal. Buckwheat has been tried as a cover crop in
orchards and is found to have an effect on codling moth.  This was done at the
Appalachian Fruit Research Station in WV with standard variety used (ordered
from Johnnies Seeds in Maine).  I ordered a bee pasture mix from Brushy
Mountain.  This weekend I'm checking the local feed store.  There has been
discussion on this line from a source in Russia on nectar production of
buckwheat (Buckwheat and B-honey ??) Is there someway I can get the latin
(genus-species) of these two varieties?
 
Jeanne Schell
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On Long Island we were threatened with a gypsy moth infestation and many
neighbors were spraying their trees. We contacted a local sprayer, and he said
yes, he did use BT. However we then found out the trucks and equipment are the
same as using BT or when using pesticides, and some use pesticides with BT
added to it. I would investigate thouroughly before letting anyone near your
beeyard, if your trees are not too tall you could probably do it yourself
using a hand held sprayer. Good luck. Conni Still, Bayport, Long Island NY 4
hives, 18 years
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Layne Westover wrote:
>Regarding how cool queens that have been mailed to you should be kept, from
>my personal experience, if they arrive in an envelope and it is placed in a
>closed metal mailbox on a hot day, then that is too hot.  I think that's
>where the advice "keep them cool" comes from.  Since I live in Texas, I took
>"cool" to mean "at room temperature" (under air conditioning since outdoor
>temperatures can be at times in the 100's).  Another helpful hint is to make
>friends with someone at the post office and warn them in advance that you
 
        >snip<
 
        I work at the US Poat Office as a City Carrier, as for a queen setting in
a hot mailbox the same thing goes for chicks, ducks, quail, crickets,
mealworms, ants or any live thing (plants?). You should go to the PO and
talk with the carrier supervisor and tell them the date that the queens
were sent the date that you expect them and what they were shipped in. Give
with your Phone #.  You should also leave a note for your carrier with all
the same information so that they will have it at their case if the bees
come in on there day off.
 
        As far as shipping queend in an envelope I think this is a poor way to
ship them. I got 2 queens from Texas that way and even haveing the clerks
on (bee alert) they came in on Sunday and was put in the small pkg tub.
They were not found again untill 0600 Monday when they were working the
small pkgs to the seprate routes.  They were ok but had to stay an extra
day caged.
 
        The Airlines want all bees that fly (first class mail) to be put in a
onion sack.
 
Dan
 
 
 
 
Daniel D. Dempsey
P. O. Box 5
Red Bluff,CA 96080-0005
 
ddempsey@tco.net
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Hi All
 
A neighbour of mine was stung by 3 of my bees lately.
 
He suffered severe swelling for a few days. He is on medication to control
uneven beating of his heart.
 
The same man was stung twice last year - 1 sting each time separated by
about a month and he had little reaction. He told me that he was not on the
medication last year. Is there a relationship between medication and the
severity of reaction to bee venom.?
 
Next month, two people are moving in next to me just for the summer -
neighbours of long standing - and they are both on medication, one for
cancer, the other for both cancer and heart disease.
 
My question is this - Am I putting these people at risk by having a beehive
in my back garden right beside them?
 
Thanks for any help.
 
Sincerely
Tom Barrett
49 South Park
Foxrock
Dublin 18
Ireland
 
e mail cssl@iol.ie
Tel + 353 1 289 5269
Fax + 353 1 289 9940
 
'The Beeman from Ireland'
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>A neighbour of mine was stung by 3 of my bees lately....
>The same man was stung twice last year - 1 sting each time
>separated by about a month...  My question is this - Am I
>putting these people at risk by having a beehive
>in my back garden right beside them?
 
 
I hope you are joking.  Yes, you are putting these people and others at
risk -- and your wealth as well.
 
Any situation where you have non beekeepers, whether neighbours or family
members, stung that frequently and repeatedly -- especially in an urban
setting -- is asking for big trouble.  Not just for you, but all beekeepers
in your district.
 
Isolated occurrences are one thing, but such episodes are obviously not just
rare flukes.  Legally and morally in most countries, you are pretty exposed.
It is public reactions to beekeeping like this that results in outrageous
and oppressive ordinances against innocent beekeepers.
 
Either you are doing something(s) very wrong or bees are just dangerous in
your climate.  Many expert  and amateur beekeepers routinely keep bees in
cities the world over without any bystander getting ever stung.  My father
kept 25 hives on two acres in a city in plain view and with the knowledge of
the neighbours and AFAIK no bystander was ever stung.  FWIW, I've had almost
1000 colonies in one yard right in my hamlet without anyone other than my
beekeepers ever getting stung -- in their case, only a very little bit while
working them. But bees here are not as vicious as they are some places.
Some localities just make nice bees vicious, as both Andy and I have often
observed.
 
If I were you, I'd get those bees out of there as fast as I could.
 
Allen
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On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:28:42 -0600, you wrote:
 
>> Sooooo, I'm still stumped and still getting two of everything.  <grin>
>
>Sorry.  I'm out of ideas.  No I'm not.  I'll set you to digest and see =
if=20
>both copies come as digest.  Report back, Okay?
 
Hi Allen,
 
Thanks for your efforts.  Interestingly enough, I just downloaded
e-mail and there is no digest _yet_, though I'm still getting other
Bee-L mail.  I'll keep an eye on things and compare headers between
the mail I'm getting and a digest when it comes.
 
John Taylor
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From:         Andy Nachbaur <andy.nachbaur@calwest.net>
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At 10:57 AM 4/18/98 +0100, you wrote:
 
>He suffered severe swelling for a few days. He is on medication to control
>uneven beating of his heart.
 
>The same man was stung twice last year - 1 sting each time separated by
>about a month and he had little reaction. He told me that he was not on the
>medication last year. Is there a relationship between medication and the
>severity of reaction to bee venom.?
 
>My question is this - Am I putting these people at risk by having a beehive
>in my back garden right beside them?
 
Hi Tom,
 
If you lived in California you would already have been told by your dream
defence team preparing for your trial that if you had moved the bees at the
time the first person was stung you would not be looking to appeal the
$2,000,000 judgement your neighbor was awarded at your first trial, your
city would not have outlawed all beekeepers, and your lawyers would not be
selling your former home to pay their fees. All because of the small print
found in most insurance policy's that says you should have used common
seance and did what was necessary to protect your neighbors after the first
attack by your super aggressive bees.
 
Actually I would start looking for another place to keep my bees before all
the troubles begin.
 
When I was still in high school my family was threatened by a law suit by a
neighbor who lived miles up the road who had been stung and missed time on
his job as a Brain Surgeon... He had heard that I kept a hive of bees, I
had about a dozen at the time on my folks secluded ranch a mile off the
road and out of view from anyone not on our property.
 
The Brain Surgeon was serious and had just moved out in the country from
the city. After meeting with our insurance agent my Mom did what she was
told to do by him and our family attorney. The next time the Brain Surgeon
called she invited him over to discuss his problem. He never showed
up...and we never heard from him again?
 
 
The rest of the story....Mom also told the Brain Surgeon a little white lie
about having  beehives all around our home and that he was welcome to come
over and talk about his problem or he could call our attorney. He opted to
call the attorney who told him to buzz off and that unless he got the bee
who stung him registration number, as all bees are registered in California
and branded, he would not have any bite of our apple's. Anyway all this
proved that even Brain Surgeon's have brains and we never heard from him
again. I also had to go have a long heart to heart talk, so to say, with
our family attorney to understand better the risks of keeping bees to my
families wealth and was told that I should consider another hobby like
rearing worms or something. I made no changes which proves that Beekeepers
once bit by the bee bug have no brains as I should have went on to
university and been a Brain Surgeon.
 
Good Luck with Your Bee's.
 
ttul, the OLd Drone
http://209.76.50.54
 
 
 
(c)Permission is given to copy this document
in any form, or to print for any use.
 
(w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE  AT OWN RISK!
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On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:36:44 +0100, you wrote:
 
>From talking to other subscribers in the U.K. I get the impression that
>many are rather disappointed with the overall content. I thought that
>the Bee List was a discussion of Bee Biology, and I accept that this is
 
Since beekeeping is not my profession, I will probably never have a
need to discuss pure biological issues of apis mellifera.   I still
have an interest in discussing everyday beekeeping with other
beekeepers and learning more about these insects.  It would probably
be asking too much of our generous LIST Owner, but perhaps a
"Practical BEE-L", "Hobby BEE-L" or "Amateur BEE-L" could be created
for those of us who are further down on the ladder of biology
knowledge.
 
Perhaps "Practical BEE-L" could take the place of BOB; discuss pure
bee biology on BEE-L while the rest of us discuss down to earth
matters of beekeeping like the value of bees wax and Honey Market
News. =20
 
John Taylor
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From:         Andy Nachbaur <andy.nachbaur@calwest.net>
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At 01:32 PM 4/18/98 +0000, you wrote:
 
>Perhaps "Practical BEE-L" could take the place of BOB; discuss pure
>bee biology on BEE-L while the rest of us discuss down to earth
>matters of beekeeping like the value of bees wax and Honey Market
>News.
 
Nothing wrong with these ideas except because of the time required to read
and follow many lists and groups some would not and the knowledge base
would suffer.
 
I look at the B-List as the cover of a book with many chapters and authors.
New books would require new authors and I fear with the limited numbers
interested in beekeeping they would both suffer. Anyway someone opened a
new beekeeping news group for hobby beekeeping and it was getting few posts
the last time I checked and even then some of these posters were from the
original Beekeeping News group.
 
Lists are not that hard to start compared to News Groups if someone wants
to do it, again its the division of a relative small base of
readers/posters that is the problem.. Heck when I offer free the USDA Honey
Market reports that costs 36$ for the print copy in the US, including
Canada and Mexico our NAFTA partners, all others must pay $72.00 US, and
about 200-300 will show up to read them, it is easy to see why when these
lists and news groups have so few readers, and maybe why the USDA does not
bother putting the Honey Reports on line themselves. Anyway I believe the
problem we should be considering is the lack of readership and not the lack
of lists or news groups. Just my humble opinion.
 
ttul, Andy-
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Subject:      Re: Read This! CONFIRM BEE-L results
 
 <<the lack of readers.>>
 BINGO Andy.  Your right on the nose, as usual.
The more you read, the more you know you don't know and need to read more
!
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From:         Roy Nettlebeck <rnettleb@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us>
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On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Andy Nachbaur wrote:
 
> At 01:32 PM 4/18/98 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >Perhaps "Practical BEE-L" could take the place of BOB; discuss pure
> >bee biology on BEE-L while the rest of us discuss down to earth
> >matters of beekeeping like the value of bees wax and Honey Market
> >News.
>
> Nothing wrong with these ideas except because of the time required to read
> and follow many lists and groups some would not and the knowledge base
> would suffer.
>
> I look at the B-List as the cover of a book with many chapters and authors.
> New books would require new authors and I fear with the limited numbers
> interested in beekeeping they would both suffer. Anyway someone opened a
> new beekeeping news group for hobby beekeeping and it was getting few posts
> the last time I checked and even then some of these posters were from the
> original Beekeeping News group.
>
 Hi Andy and All,
 
 The B-List is a very useful tool.Most reasearchers do not have time to
read all the posts or are turned off with all the clutter on the posts.
 Time changes many things.The list is no exception to the rule.We still
have a wealth of knowledge on this list to draw from.It will never fit the
needs of all members.Don't burn your house down , unless you have a place
to stay out of the weather.This is a very good resource for beekeepers.
 Lets look at what we have and not at all we don't have for everyone.I
have made some very good connections with the research community through
this list. Pure research would turn off many people.It gets very complex
and you need a good background in science to be able to follow it for very
long.We HAVE a wealth of knowledge from around the world to draw from.This
makes the list a great plus for all of us.
 We must understand that this list is full of opinions. If you present a
topic as being a fact, you better have everything you need to back it
up.This has been a problem for researchers on this list.We want to keep as
many as possible.This is the place to ask questions and get some answers.
If peer review is too hot and makes you uncomfortable, then you should
open up to the questions.If you can't, then your not going to learn
anything.We all have much to learn about honey Bees.This is a good place
to learn. I hope we can give each other room for different opinions.
 We can all grow together , with a focus on honey bees and the problems
that they face.We all see things a little differently and we can thak God
for that wonderful tool.Progress can not be made by linear thinking. It
takes many questions to be asked before real progress can be made. Lets
stay with what we have and make it better.
 Best Regards
 Roy
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Hello everybody,
 
I need to know approximately how much pollen, propolis and royal jelly
can one colony produce in a year and the probable retail price of these
products.
 
Thank you very much,
 
Tere
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Tom wrote;
 
> A neighbour of mine was stung by 3 of my bees lately.
 
> The same man was stung twice last year - 1 sting each time separated by
> about a month and he had little reaction. He told me that he was not on
the
> medication last year. Is there a relationship between medication and the
> severity of reaction to bee venom.?
 
The others are right about your liability in this matter, if proven they
came from your hive. Unfortunately most people (not necessarily your
neighbor) will go throughout their lives saying "I'm allergic to honeybees"
when in reality, it could be from any of the flying world.
 
Your neighbor, when stung the one time, had no reaction but when stung
three times within a short period, had a reaction. His system can not
tolerate that much venom. As we get older our systems brake down. The most
danger comes when stung on the hands, arms and from the breast up which can
cause the throat to close. This happened to my friend Roy Nettlebeck in
which he lost air for two miles, while his wife drove at a high rate of
speed to the waiting paramedics, who laid him down and put a tube in his
throat and a shot in the arm.
 
I myself, had to see an allergist and take shots for five long years,
before I over came the problem. By no means am I bragging when I say that
last season I was stung 42 times, but to show that something can be done
for those who have a problem with the "bee". We should all be educating the
public on what to do about their venom reactions so they won't go through
life always afraid.
 
Joe McManus
9240 N.W. Klahowya Trl.
Bremerton, Wa. USA
<mcmanus@budsters.com>
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Date:         Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:14:47 -0400
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I wonder if anyone can explain how bees use water they have collected to
dilute granulated honey in the hive.
 
Here in c. NY the bees have been busy on the ground collecting water from
any miserable little moist patch or puddle.  They appear to have found my
house's gutters to be an attractive source as well.  For a good 3 weeks or
more they have been at it, even on cool overcast days.
 
The stores remaining from last season are by now granulated, or mostly so.
Presumably the bees are using all this water to make use of the old honey.
But -- has anyone observed just how they go about it?   I don't recall this
behavior being described in the texts or journals.
 
Thanks for any info.
 
Curious Geeeeeeorge
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I would venture to say that one of those young
people who join Bee-L,
and they ask some question like "My bees all died
- what happened" will
someday be the ones who are going to answer the
questions of other young beekeepers in the
future.  Where else can one go and receive the
knowledge
that I have seen on this site.  Bee clubs are
nice and they do alot, but this site
gives all who want an answer to any bee question
a place to go.  And it seems like it works very
well.
 
Let's be there for anyone who needs help.  Who
knows when the next Langstroth will sign on?
Beekeeeping is not on the top of the list for
young people today.  Those that show some
interest should be encouraged.  We may need them
one day.
 
I love this computer and internet stuff!!!!!
 
billy bee
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From:         Joel Govostes <jwg6@cornell.edu>
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Garth Cambray wrote:
 
>Hi All
>
>On the value of wax: cut comb is a big waste of money...<big snip>
 
Garth has presented some interesting and valid points.  The economics can
indeed favor the increased volume of extracted over comb honey.  As Walter
Kelley pointed out, however, comb honey is a unique product, whereas
extracted honey is so similar-looking to cooking oils, corn/maple syrups
and other run-of-the-mill food products.  I think of it sort-of like the
difference between maple candy and maple syrup, the former being much more
expensive specialty food, which requiring a large volume of syrup to
produce a small volume of candy.  The price reflects this(!), but people
who enjoy it are quite willing to pay more.
 
Mr. Kelley really pushed cut-comb, especially for beginners, and  claimed
it sold "faster and at higher prices" than extracted.  Evidently this is
not the rule.  Comb honey should certainly be worth a great deal more than
1.5 times the price of extracted, and some producers can (do) get a VERY
sweet price for it, if they have access to a good retail market.  This can
make comb honey a profitable endeavor despite the lower yields one has to
expect.
 
For anyone who does wish to produce comb honey, for a specialty market, for
the sheer novelty value, or just for the challenge, cut-comb isn't really
so bad -- at least, yields of cut-comb are (IME) substantially higher than
section-comb, as the bees can draw larger combs and aren't forced to work
in small isolated spaces.  C-C is cheaper to produce than sections, too,
but will often bring at least the same retail price.
 
I have had a few customers mention that they really love comb-honey, but
that they can never find it.
 
FFT
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From:         Adrian Wenner <wenner@lifesci.ucsb.edu>
Subject:      Real Science?
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   The April issue of the AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL has an article by Howard
Scott (pp. 275-276), an article that treats the question of how smoke
manages to momentarily quell guard bees.  In his presentation, Scott
employs the "multiple inference" approach, the most powerful technique we
know in scientific inquiry.  After providing all the known explanations for
the effectiveness of smoke, he concluded:
 
"Actually, I kind of like not knowing which answer is the real one.  It
adds to the mystery, plus gives us freedom to do our own theorizing.  After
all, the real magic of life is the unknown."
 
   As we have repeatedly emphasized, we have found Scott's approach to be a
good scientific attitude (see AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL, Feb. 1987, pp.
130-131).
 
   By stark contrast, some of the regular columnists of the beekeeping
magazines these past few years have steadfastly subscribed to the notion
that truth is absolute.  In particular, Tom Webster, Richard Taylor, Tom
Seeley, Frank Eischen, and Steve Tabor have strived very hard to keep the
dance language hypothesis alive --- despite an ever-growing body of
evidence at variance with that hypothesis.
 
   Any belief system that requires that much shoring up must surely be in
trouble!
 
   Through those same years, I have personally provided those same people
with hard results derived from careful experimentation, results that one
cannot reconcile with the stand they have taken.  All that effort has
apparently fallen on deaf ears.  They instead continue to focus only on
evidence that supports dogma.
 
   For instance, just four pages after Howard Scott's perceptive
appreciation of the process of science, Steve Tabor has the first of a
three part exposition of bee language --- once again --- despite the input
I have furnished him.  However, I hesitate to judge him too harshly.
Perhaps he will incorporate all of the contrary results I have fed him
through the years into the next two parts, thereby providing a balanced
presentation for the readers of ABJ.  Will he do so?  We have to wait for
the next two issues of ABJ.
 
   What difference does all this make to beekeepers?  After a half century
of bee language dogma, beekeepers must surely realize by now that the
language hypothesis has been of essentially no use to them in their
day-to-day operations. And scientists know that a valid hypothesis should
ultimately prove useful.
 
   We now have varroa and tracheal mites, as well as losses from
agricultural poisons and competition from importation of cheap (and
inferior quality) honey.  Bee researchers complain that insufficient funds
exist to tackle the mite problems.  Yet, millions of dollars have been
spent in the past several decades on the rather fruitless study of bee
language.  Just think what we could have known about basic bee biology if
those same funds had been directed instead to the real problems that
beekeepers face.  (Andy Nachbauer knows what I mean.)
 
   Do the beekeeping magazines really have that much empty space to devote
to keeping alive a hypothesis of little practical merit?  And, do these
authors get paid for the repetitive nature of their material --- material
that has been repeatedly challenged in scientific journals?  Please keep
your eyes focused on the content of the bee magazines in the future and ask
yourselves the same questions as posed above.
 
   Please excuse the above content if it seems too harsh.  In the issue
after the last part of the Tabor presentation, I will try to get a very
simple experimental design into print in ABJ, an experiment that bee
language proponents can execute themselves within only a week or two in
late summer --- and one that will yield results that differ from that they
might expect if bees have a language.  (I could do the experiment myself
and publish the results --- but we already know that results published by
me would likely be ignored by those proponents.)
 
   Howard Scott certainly was on the right track with his article about the
efficacy of smoke.  Can we somehow get bee researchers to follow his lead?
 
   Yours for the better execution of science.
 
                                                        Adrian
 
p.s.  I am sorry that I will not be able to respond directly to individual
comments.  This next week I will be doing real basic research on honey bees
out on Santa Cruz Island --- and without any government funding, all
expenses paid out-of-pocket.
 
Adrian M. Wenner                         (805) 893-2838 (UCSB office)
Ecol., Evol., & Marine Biology           (805) 893-8062  (UCSB FAX)
Univ. of Calif., Santa Barbara           (805) 963-8508 (home office & FAX)
Santa Barbara, CA  93106
 
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*  "...scientists are paradoxically resistant to change, even when    *
*  confronted with evidence that virtually demands change of them."   *
*                                                                     *
*                                 Barber, 1960 (in Greenberg, 1983)   *
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:45:54 -0700
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From:         "James R. Shaver" <shaverjr@juno.com>
Subject:      Re: No Extractor:???
 
Yes, I get the garbage and am on Juno.
Jim Shaver
 
On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:48:42 -0400 Al Needham <awneedham@JUNO.COM>
writes:
>On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:26:53 +0300 Jan Tempelman <jtemp@xs4all.nl>
>writes:
>>SSB3b3VsZCBzdWdnZXN0IHlvdSB0byBiZSBhIG1lbWJlciBvZiB0aGUgUm90dGVyZGFtIEJl
>
>Does anyone else have this problem where Jan's messages read
>like the above garbage ? Particularly interested if this is peculiar
>only to Juno subscribers.
>
>I never used to have this problem with Jan's messages. It seems to
>have started a couple of months ago.
>
>Al,
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>           Scituate,Massachusetts,USA
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>
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Date:         Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:01:14 +0300
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From:         Jan Tempelman <jtemp@xs4all.nl>
Organization: Home
Subject:      test, test
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Date:         Sun, 19 Apr 1998 07:01:07 -0500
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From:         "Walter T. Weller" <feliciana@juno.com>
Subject:      Re: No Extractor:???
 
Yes, all I get is garbage, and I too am on Juno.
 
>>On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:26:53 +0300 Jan Tempelman <jtemp@xs4all.nl>
>>writes:
>>>SSB3b3VsZCBzdWdnZXN0IHlvdSB0byBiZSBhIG1lbWJlciBvZiB0aGUgUm90dGVyZGFtIEJl
>>
>>Does anyone else have this problem where Jan's messages read
>>like the above garbage ? Particularly interested if this is peculiar
>>only to Juno subscribers.
 
Walter Weller
Post Office Box 270
Wakefield, Louisiana  70784
<feliciana@juno.com>
 
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Date:         Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:53:54 +0300
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From:         Jan Tempelman <jtemp@xs4all.nl>
Organization: Home
Subject:      Drory hive from 1874; continuing
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Date:         Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:35:25 -0400
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From:         Ivan McGill <drone@computime.bc.ca>
Subject:      Drory hive from 1874; continuing (for Jan)
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I hope this works for Jan.
 
Weeks ago I put some questions about the drawing from 1874 I find in Deutsch=
es
Bienen Journal
 
A few mails going over the net (very friendly!!!!)
 
Now I found the orginal french text (part of)  from 1874,
make a page from it;
WITH Alta Vista translating button !!!
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/DroryOrgTxt.html
 
nice to read "bee writings" 125 years ago
they had no photos, email, telephons, ......but BEES!!!!
 
 
perhaps someone who can read this message will sent it
UNEDIT on a repay,
so the juno users can read it to  ;-)
[that's a nice option, Aaron   ;-) unedit !!!!!]
 
greeting, jan
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home of the drone frame method.   de darreraat methode
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http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index3.html
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Date:         Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:39:51 -0400
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From:         David Graham <dgraham@clara.net>
Subject:      Re: No Extractor:??? OR Jans problem postings
In-Reply-To:  < <19980418.204951.3222.0.shaverjr@juno.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
I have e-mailed Jan twice informing him of the problems we are
experiencing with his postings. May be we should all do that.
 
Regards,
 
David Graham
 
!N3
 
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Posted on 04/19/98 at 19:38 BST.
From Strathclyde in Scotland.
On $(D} at 19:38 BST
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Date:         Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:39:56 -0400
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From:         David Graham <dgraham@clara.net>
Subject:      Re: No Extractor:??? OR Jans problem postings
In-Reply-To:  < <19980414.125341.3486.0.awneedham@juno.com>
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No. I am on nother server, claraNet, and I have the same problem. I ahve
e-mailed Jan twice. May be we should all mail him.
 
Regards,
 
David Graham
 
!N3
 
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Posted on 04/19/98 at 19:38 BST.
From Strathclyde in Scotland.
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Date:         Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:09:47 +0000
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Comments:     Authenticated sender is <amschelp@news>
From:         Peter Amschel <amschelp@pe.net>
Subject:      Beesue;  beekeeper liability
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In the following case our San Bernardino appeals court upheld the
dismissal of  a claim by a person in Cathedral City who had sued the
landlord of the premises where a brown recluse spider bit him. Here
are some excerpts from the case:
 
Brunelle v. Signore [215 Cal.App.3d 122]
October 31, 1989.]
 
Plaintiff has not cited nor has our research revealed any California
case that discusses the issue of whether an owner or occupier of a
residence, a business or a hotel/motel may be held liable for
plaintiff's injury as a result of an insect or spider bite sustained
on the premises. Our research has also failed to reveal any case in
any jurisdiction within the United States in which an owner or
occupier of a private residence was held liable for injuries sustained
as a result of an insect or spider bite. In addition, we note that the
very few out-of-state cases which have considered the issue of whether
a owner of a business or a hotel/motel may be held liable for injury
sustained as a result of an insect bite have split on the issue. fn. 3
Only one of those, {Page 215 Cal.App.3d 129} Rhodes v. B.C. Moore &
Sons, Inc., supra, 153 Ga.App. 106 [264 S.E.2d 500], discussed the
question of duty. The Rhodes court concluded that in the absence of
knowledge of such a danger, i.e., the presence of or imminent attack
by a flying, stinging insect, there was no duty on the part of the
proprietor to take specific steps to prevent the injury by a bee or
yellow jacket. (Id., at p. 501.)
 
-FN 3. As stated, out-of-state cases are split on the issue of
liability of businesses and/or hotels/motels for injury sustained as a
result of insect bites:
 
Yes: Brasseaux v. Stand-By Corp. (La.App. 1981) 402 So.2d 140,
certiorari denied (La.1981) 409 So.2d 617 [motel held liable for
injury caused when plaintiff slipped and fell in shower while trying
to avoid being stung by bees coming out of shower head, defendant's
liability based on facts that defendant knew bees were outside motel,
had hired beekeeper to remove bees, and failed to warn plaintiff of
bees near his room]; CeBuzz, Inc. v. Sniderman (1970) 171 Colo. 246
[466 P.2d 457] [grocery store liable for injury as result of spider
bite where same type of insect seen a few days earlier and no evidence
of effort to protect or prevent].
 
No: Rhodes v. B. C. Moore & Sons, Inc. (1980) 153 Ga.App. 106 [264
S.E.2d 500] [retail store not liable for insect bite, court found no
actionable negligence for  bee sting or insect bite where defendant
could not have discovered  and prevented condition or circumstances,
no duty in absence of knowledge]; Cunningham v. Neil House Hotel Co.
(Ohio App. 1940) 33 N.E.2d 859 [no  liability for insect sting,
negligence cannot be presumed, defendant  had no knowledge of
presence of particular insect, insect that stung plaintiff never seen
nor identified by anyone].
 
As explained by the California Supreme Court, "'duty' is not an
immutable fact of nature '"but only an expression of the sum total of
those considerations of policy which lead the law to say that the
particular plaintiff is entitled to protection."'" (Ballard v. Uribe,
supra, 41 Cal.3d at p. 572 , fn. 6, citations omitted.) Whether a duty
of care exists "is a question of law to be determined on a
case-by-case basis." (Isaacs v. Huntington Memorial Hospital (1985) 38
Cal.3d 112 , 124 [211 Cal.Rptr. 356, 695 P.2d 653].)
 
In making its determination, the court must weigh several factors:
"[T]he foreseeability of harm to the plaintiff, the degree of
certainty that the plaintiff suffered injury, the closeness of the
connection between the defendant's conduct and the injury suffered,
the moral blame attached to the defendant's conduct, the policy of
preventing future harm, the extent of the burden to the defendant and
consequences to the community of imposing a duty to exercise care with
resulting liability for breach, and the availability, cost, and
prevalence of insurance for the risk involved. [Citations.]" (Rowland
v. Christian, supra, 69 Cal.2d at p. 113 ; Isaacs v. Huntington
Memorial Hospital, supra, 38 Cal.3d at pp. 124 -125.)
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Date:         Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:41:23 EDT
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From:         JRVinLov <JRVinLov@aol.com>
Subject:      Request info on Wilbanks
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I am thinking of buying package bees form a supplier that is getting them from
Wilbanks in Georgia. Has anyone done business with them before?  How is their
quality?  What is a good price for a package?
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Date:         Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:41:23 -0700
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From:         Robert E Butcher <bobbees@juno.com>
Subject:      Re: No Extractor:???
 
Walter
i have juno to,i get the same mess. any ideas how to fix it?
God Bless You
Robert&Teresa Butcher
bobbees@juno.com
 
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 07:01:07 -0500 "Walter T. Weller"
<feliciana@JUNO.COM> writes:
>Yes, all I get is garbage, and I too am on Juno.
>
>>>On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:26:53 +0300 Jan Tempelman <jtemp@xs4all.nl>
>>>writes:
>>>>SSB3b3VsZCBzdWdnZXN0IHlvdSB0byBiZSBhIG1lbWJlciBvZiB0aGUgUm90dGVyZGFtIEJl
>>>
>>>Does anyone else have this problem where Jan's messages read
>>>like the above garbage ? Particularly interested if this is peculiar
>>>only to Juno subscribers.
>
>Walter Weller
>Post Office Box 270
>Wakefield, Louisiana  70784
><feliciana@juno.com>
>_____________________________________________________________________
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>completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno
>at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
 
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Date:         Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:42:09 -0400
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From:         Garry Libby <libbee@email.msn.com>
Subject:      Re: Request info on Wilbanks
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I saw a package today that was from Wilbanks and they looked very
healthy,with only about a couple dozen dead ones on the cage bottom.This was
one of the best packages I've ever seen.The price is comparable to other
suppliers.Good luck with them,
 
Garry Libby
Boston,USA
LibBEE@email.msn.com
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Date:         Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:47:09 -0400
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From:         Al Needham <awneedham@juno.com>
Subject:      Re: No Extractor:???
 
On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:41:23 -0700 Robert E Butcher <bobbees@JUNO.COM>
writes:
>Walter
>i have juno to,i get the same mess. any ideas how to fix it?
 
I am not certain, but it is possible that Jan is writing messages
in html, which Juno at least can't read. Juno only reads/sends
in straight old fashioned ' Dos text'.
 
Al,
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      <"Mailto: awneedham@juno.com" >
           Scituate,Massachusetts,USA
 The Beehive-Educational Honey Bee Site
    Visit Ye Olde Honey Bee Book Shoppe
     http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine
 
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Date:         Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:59:08 EDT
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From:         Pollinator <Pollinator@aol.com>
Subject:      Re: Request info on Wilbanks
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In a message dated 98-04-19 20:42:38 EDT, JRVinLov@AOL.COM (JRVinLov) writes:
 
<< I am thinking of buying package bees form a supplier that is getting them
from
 Wilbanks in Georgia. Has anyone done business with them before?  How is their
 quality?  What is a good price for a package? >>
 
   In my opinion they are among the best.  I've always had excellent service,
and their queens are very high quality.
 
Pollinator@aol.com     Dave Green  Hemingway, SC  USA
The Pollination Scene:  http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html
 
Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop    (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles)
http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm
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Date:         Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:14:31 EDT
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From:         GImasterBK <GImasterBK@aol.com>
Subject:      Re: Request info on Wilbanks
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I consider Reg Wilbanks one of the TOP queen breeders in the country.  He is
4th generation, totally honest, and dedicated to providing first class bees.
Don't judge anything by price, but if you must, Wilbanks prices are right in
line with other quality breeders.
I say all these nice things about Wilbanks, yet I buy only minor supplies from
him, because I switched from Italians to Carniolans 49 years ago since I think
Carnies give me a better honey crop in the very early nectar flow (april-may)
of central Maryland.
I have been to Wilbanks apiaries, and know him personally, and he does certain
management techniques that ALL breeders should but don't.
Try him, but it is VERY, VERY LATE in the year to expect any decent delivery
dates.  Orders should be put in December or January.
George Imirie, 65 years with bees in Maryland
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Date:         Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:01:51 -0500
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From:         BILL HUGHES JR <NHJV32A@prodigy.com>
Subject:      Re: Request info on Wilbanks
 
I have purchased packages from Wilbank's for several years and I have
always been satisfied.  They are very good people to do business with.
  I highly recommend them.
 
____
Bill Hughes
Bent Holly Honey Farm
Brighton, Tennessee
USA
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From:         John J Moore <johnbkpr@juno.com>
Subject:      honey bound
 
This past winter was very mild. At first I thought the bees would finish
their stores before spring was here.  I even fed a few colonies earlier,
now these colonies have frames that are full of honey.
 
I tried extracting some frames earlier last week but I had no heat in the
building and out of 20 frames I only extracted about 60 lbs and broke
half of the frames.  Outside of freezing them (too many for the freezer)
is their anything else I can do with them.
 
 
John
Celestial Offerings, Inc.
"Gifts of Nature"
N. Smithfield, R.I.  02896
 
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I recall seeing that we have a person(s) on the bee-line who is from Hawaii.
I need some help getting hold of a company in Honolulu who has not responded
to two letters and wonder if a fellow beekeeper could, perhaps raise a
response.
 
Thanks so much.  Faith Andrews Bedford
Tampa and Ivy, VA
FaithAB@aol.com
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Date:         Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:04:39 -0600
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> When we tipped up the top brood box and looked at the lower one, there
> was a cluster of bees that covered about 75% of the area.  I think this
> is larger than should be at this time of year?
 
No, that is good.  If you tip back the whole hive and there are bees on
three or four bottom bars or more, then they are about right for
reversing, and then splitting a week or two later.
 
> One colony of Robert's nucs was very very low on stores and bees and one
> was dead....probably from Tracheal Mites, since there were hardly any
> dead bees present.
 
That actually is more likely be queenlessness, especially if there was
no sign that they had been raising brood.
 
> the other was a Buckfast which produced 205 lbs of honey in 1997, and
> seems to have died from Foul Brood, although I treated with Terr. both in
> sugar syrup and powder on the top bars.
 
The problem with oxytet on the top bars is that the bees can't always get
it.  Sacks, or placement too far from the cluster can make it useless.
The sign of success is that it is immediately consumed.  Nonetheless, the
doses usually recommended are too small for full-sized hives, and I
recommend a dose of about double what the literature usually says.
 
We use as much 5:1 icing sugar mix as will heap up the last 1-1/2 inches
of the flat end of a standard hive tool per strong colony.  Anything less
than that will not work.  Frequent application during the brood rearing
season is essential, too.  Skip application during the honey flow.  That
does not seem to affect the efficacy, since the queen is not laying in new
cells during that time unless you do not use excluders or unless you muck
around with the brood.  Moreover they are not using old honey that might
contain spores to feed brood as they do at other times.  Medication must
be applied at least every two weeks during any dearth periods if AFB has
been seen in any hives recently.  Otherwise a less frequent application
can be successful.
 
FWIW, we are quitting dusting and cutting back on medicating syrup
with oxytet this year, since we used grease patties last year and reduced
our TM costs drastically and saw zero (and I do mean zero) AFB in our
colonies.  Moreover the overwintered hives that had the patties on over
winter looked better than some that were missed.
 
Losses here are running exactly 4%, a low figure which is unheard of in my
last 25 years.  Of course we will lose another 4% by mid-May as the weak
ones are shaken out.  Some of this success is due to a good queen season
last year in Hawaii and elsewhere.  Some of it is due to a long summer
season last year, a mild winter, and an early spring this year.  But, we
think some of it is also due to feeding pollen supplement all spring and
the use of extender patties.  Although we observe 10% (average) tracheal
mite levels in some yards each fall, we have never treated for mites.
FWIW, using grease patties last year did not change the levels of tracheal
mite activity observed noticably, although some yards tested zero and
should have shown positive.
 
Allen
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Date:         Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:36:36 -0400
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From:         Joel Govostes <jwg6@CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: honey bound
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John -
It probably isn't worth the time and trouble to try extracting this honey.
Most of it is granulated by now, and it is of more use to the bees at this
time of year.  Many of my colonies still have nearly  a super of honey
still unused at this point, too.
 
Just set the supers w/ old honey down, i.e., set the super of old honey on
the bottom board, and set the brood chambers on that.  The bees will
recycle the honey and move it up, using it to fuel the colony buildup.  The
queen normally will not venture down into the super and lay eggs there, at
least at this time of spring. After about 2 weeks weeks most of the honey
should be out of the super, and you can set the brood chambers back down,
putting the super back on top to catch the new season's honey.
 
Some colonies might be a bit sluggish about moving the honey up, in which
case you can lightly scratch the cappings to expedite their removal of the
old honey.
As the colony grows they will make good use of this honey, as there are not
many sources of nectar out there yet.
 
>This past winter was very mild. At first I thought the bees would finish
>their stores before spring was here.  I even fed a few colonies earlier,
>now these colonies have frames that are full of honey.
>
>I tried extracting some frames earlier last week but I had no heat in the
>building and out of 20 frames I only extracted about 60 lbs and broke
>half of the frames.  Outside of freezing them (too many for the freezer)
>is their anything else I can do with them.
>
>
>John
>Celestial Offerings, Inc.
>"Gifts of Nature"
>N. Smithfield, R.I.  02896
>
>_____________________________________________________________________
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Is there any way to turn off the 3 line JUNO advertisement appended to
mail from JUNO?  The first time I saw it, it was interesting.  After
seeing it 8 or 10 thousand times, it's pretty annoying.  Is there any
way to just turn that off or is it beyond the users' control?
 
Aaron Morris - thinking it's free to Juno users at the expense of
               everyone else!
 
PS: It's REALLY annoying when people include the Juno ad in quoted
material!!!
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From:         Constill <Constill@AOL.COM>
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I am on AOL and have received many garbled messages from Jan and a number of
others. Some have said encoded and are pages of encripted stuff. Every once in
awhile I also get my Bee-L with a hot pink background. No idea why. I guess
this is why my hobby is beekeeping and not computer science.
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Date:         Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:26:25 EDT
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Due to technical difficulties, four posts did not get posted to the list
this weekend.  They will follow in rapid succession under my userid.
Apologies for the technical difficulties.
 
Sincerely,
Aaron Morris
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From: RCLynn <RCLynn@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:52:54 EDT
To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU
Subject: Re: Request info on Wilbanks
 
Regarding Wilbanks:
 
I bought queens last year and this year.  Both years I ordered 30 and recieved
31.  They were shipped on time, arrived on time, and they did great.
 
I plan on ordering again from Wilbanks.
 
Randy Lynn
North Carolina, USA
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To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:01:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Splitting Colonies
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From: glbarbor@juno.com (Dr. Gerald L Barbor)
 
Dear John,
 
     I make my splits in south central Pa. by taking three or four brood
frames of bees and brood, including the queen,  and one frame of honey
and placing them into a Nuc box for transport.   I try to include some
pollen, but don't consider that essential in this pollen rich area.  I
replace these frames from the original colony with drawn comb, if
possible, and introduce a new caged queen between some of the remaining
brood frames.  I usually remove this split to a remote yard, although I
have allowed splits to remain in the same yard by 1. removing them as far
from the original colony as possible and 2. shaking as many young bees as
possible into the split.  Older bees will return to the original hive so
plenty of nurses are needed.  I normally remove the split to a location
at least several miles away.
 
     The above allows the old queen to continue laying, so that the
growth of the split is uninterrupted, while the parent colony (which is
much larger and with more unhatched brood) only sustains a three or four
day "hitch" in production until the new queen is released and laying,
less the reduction in brood that was removed.
 
     I have, on occasion, especially when splitting colonies in remote
yards, placed the new queen in the split which I brought to my home yard.
 This in the interest of time and convenience in that I didn't have to
travel to see if the new queen had been released.  This procedure does
give the split a little slower start.
 
     I usually transfer the split to a hive body at the ultimate site
with either drawn comb or foundation in the other five frames.  Feed it.
 
Jerry B.
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Date:         Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:25:00 EDT
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From:         Aaron Morris <SYSAM@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
 
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:44:40 -0400
To: BEE-L <bee-l@cnsibm.albany.edu>
From: "Richard G. Hall" <rghall@pop.usit.net>
Subject: Re: Bees' use of granulated stores --?
 
At 02:41 AM 4/19/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I wonder if anyone can explain how bees use water they have collected to
>dilute granulated honey in the hive.
>
>Here in c. NY the bees have been busy on the ground collecting water from
>any miserable little moist patch or puddle.
>The stores remaining from last season are by now granulated, or mostly so.
>Presumably the bees are using all this water to make use of the old honey.
>But -- has anyone observed just how they go about it?   I don't recall this
>behavior being described in the texts or journals.
 
George my bees down here in Tennessee were doing the same thing about a
month ago.  Even my patio was filled with bees after a small shower left
standing water.  My understanding is that bees need water to dilute honey
even if it isn't granulated.  All of my bees stores seem to be still in
liquid form yet they still collect alot of water during the early spring.
My guess is that they use empty cells to dilute the honey for their
comsumption when there is no nectar available.?  Just a guess.
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 07:03:44 -0700
From: Bill Truesdell <removemister-t@clinic.net>
To:
        Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
Subject: Re: Real Science?
 
Adrian Wenner wrote:
 
>  What difference does all this make to beekeepers?  After a half century
> of bee language dogma, beekeepers must surely realize by now that the
> language hypothesis has been of essentially no use to them in their
> day-to-day operations. And scientists know that a valid hypothesis should
> ultimately prove useful.
 
Adrian,If the bees dance, polka, use odor, or black helicopters to locate
nectar sources is probably of no use to most beekeepers. Neither is the
knowledge of the Otto cycle to those who turn the ignition in their car.
Science is useful in that it provides solutions to questions. We do not need to
know the why of crisco and tracheal mites. We only need to know that there is a
reason it works.
To discount the bee dance as not useful to beekeepers misses the reason for
science, which is to explain and that explanation either confirms why things
happen or opens up avenues to more exploration. And that is useful to
scientists.  A valid hypothesis will ultimately prove useful, but to
scientists. And some of those valid hypothesis will be useful to engineers or
tinkerers, and then to beekeepers.
And for those who wonder what the Otto cycle is, look it up. I have long
forgot. But my car still works.
Bill Truesdell
Bath, ME
remove -remove- from email address- too much spam in the universe
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Date:         Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:47:59 EDT
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If it is HONEY and not bee-processed sugar in the frames, simply give the bees
room in supers.  If they need the space for brood and have somewhere else to
put the honey they will move it. They know how they want their larder arranged
far better than you do. If the frames contain non honey stores, remove them to
avoid contamination of the real thing.  Use them to feed nuclei or weak
colonies.
Chris Slade
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Induction, compression, ignition, exhaust or suck, squeeze, bang, blow.
More to the point, education, learning and science are important for their own
sakes.  If you can turn them into money into the end of the day that is a
bonus but should not be the only motive.  Mankind explores the unknown only
because it is unknown.  Beekind explores only for forage or a new home.  That
is why they are no different to what they were when dinosaurs were around and
we have changed considerably.
Chris Slade
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From:         Ron Taylor <lcblocklowcountry@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Request info on Wilbanks
 
We, the Lowcountry Beekeepers of Charleston SC recently purchased 50
packages of Bees from Reggie Wilbanks.  They were verry heavy and look in
excellent shape.  His price is $37.00 for a 3 lb package with queen.  We
picked them up.
Ron Taylor, President of South Carolina Beekeeprs.
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:41:23 EDT JRVinLov <JRVinLov@aol.com> writes:
>I am thinking of buying package bees form a supplier that is getting
>them from
>Wilbanks in Georgia. Has anyone done business with them before?  How
>is their
>quality?  What is a good price for a package?
>
 
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 Dear B-Liners:
 
              Tour Program managed by Agri-Cultural Tours
         In cooperation with the Ontario Beekeepers  Association
 
               PRE-EASTERN CANADA SYMPOSIUM TOUR ITINERARY
 
       Day 1 - Thursday, July 09 - Departure and pick-up Locations
 
    Bus 1 - Northern Group
                     Sudbury-N. Bay-Ottawa-Montreal
   Bus 2 - Central Group
                 Barrie-Peterbor.-Belleville-Montreal
   Bus 3 - Southern Group
                London -Kitchener-Toronto-Montreal
 
  Day 2 - Friday, July 10 Montreal - Quebec City
 
              Breakfast at the hotel - check-out!
  Northern Group
 The first stop will be a visit to Ferme Lune De Miel (Richard
  Cot,).  After this fascinating tour we will  travel to
  Wottonville and have lunch (included) locally, followed by a
  visit to Miellerie Lambert Inc. (Paul Lambert).  We then
  visit  Chapleau s at St. Adrien de Ham before we depart for
  Quebec City/Ste. Foy. After we arrive in Ste. Foy, we will
  check in and then have an optional visit to Old Quebec City.
  Tonight dinner on your own. Pick-up group in Old Quebec.
 
 Central and Southern Groups
 
  Today the central and southern groups will visit Intermiel,
  near St. Eustache.  After our visit to Intermiel (Macles) we
  will have lunch (included). Following lunch we travel south
  for a visit to Ferme Lune De Miel, (Richard Cot,).
 Following the visit to Ferme Lune de Miel, we depart for
 > Quebec City/Ste. Foy, check in and then have an optional visit
  to Old Quebec City. Tonight dinner will be on your own. We
>  will arrange to pick-up the group in Old Quebec.
   All three groups will overnight together at the Holiday Inn in Ste. Foy
 
 
  Day 3 - Saturday, July 11 Quebec City
 
  Breakfast at the hotel - Depart for Symposium in Deschambault - display tables/ show of beekeeping equipment,
  demonstrations,  French /English simultaneously translated  speakers amongst others: Nikolaus Koeniger  from Germany.
  Return to the Holiday Inn in Ste. Foy
 
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>  Deposit to guarantee a place on the tour is $125.00/person deposit enclosed:         $
 A receipt and invoice for balance due will be mailed upon receipt of deposit!                  Day 4 - Sunday, July 12 Quebec City
>  Northern Group
 
                        Central and Southern Group
 
 
           Day 5, Monday, July 13 Montreal - home - All Groups
 Following a group breakfast at the hotel, we all proceed to home regions - drop-offs in same locations as pick-ups!
 >
  Prices for Groups:                           Double         Single         Transport
 
  Deposit of $125/person needed to guarantee space!
  Inclusions:
>       deluxe motor coach with several pick-up and drop-off
       locations
      3 star* accommodations (4 nights)
       4 breakfasts - full Canadian style
      3 lunches throughout tour
       transfers to and from Symposium Site
       admission to attractions
       fully escorted tour program
 Exclusions:
       meals not specifically mentioned in program
       items of a personal nature - i.e. phone calls, mini-bar,
       pay T.V., laundry, etc.
       Out of province medical insurance - group rate
 Options:
>       Dinner in Montreal - $25.00 all inclusive - choice of 1
       of  3 entree s, Restaurant Le Vieux Port located in the
       Old Port Area of Montreal
 
 
  In order to take advantage of our discounted package rates, they MUST be booked through Agri-Cultural Tours
 
  4 night package - accommodations at Hotel Le Cantlie Suites (July 9),           $425.00/room (taxes
  included)
  Holiday Inn Ste Foy (July 10 & 11) & Chateau Versailles, Montreal (July 12)          $212.50/person - sharing
  This price is based on 2 people/room - one or 2 beds as required.
  Optional breakfast package - 4 buffet breakfasts.                     $ 50.00 (taxes and tips included)
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  Optional dinner - Montreal @ $25 inclusive:#
 
  For Individual (non-group) Hotel bookings with or
  without optional breakfast option - please call our toll free
  number and book directly with us.  These rates will not be
  given if you call the hotel directly!
 
         For information about tour registration and speak to
            Bruce, Gerda or Karin toll free at 1-888-297-8334
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               Cancellation penalty if cancelled under
                       30 days prior to departure
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            Deposit of $125/person needed to guarantee space!
 
 
                  Eastern Canada Apicultural Symposium
                Motor Coach Tour Program Technical Tours
              (Descriptions of each location to be visited)
                          July 9 - 13, 1998
 
  Intermiel      Operated by Viviane and Christian Macle at Mirable, these entrepreneurs have five businesses: 1)
                 1600 colonies of bees, 2) honey packing and marketing to 100 stores, 3) tourist business with store,
                 4) commercial mead production, 5) commercial maple syrup producer with 3000 taps. Each part of
>                 the business has its own personnel. The store area and tourist approach are excellent. They have a
                 glassed in extracting area and screened in porch to observe the bees. They market a great deal of mead
                 on the premises and production can be observed through a glass wall.
 
 Ferme Lune De Miel  Operated by Richard Cote at Stoke, this is an excellent tourist place with a beautiful building and
                 grounds, a very realistic queen bee as a wind vane. Visitors hear an hour long presentation and see
                 an excellent display with huge model bees. The facility also has a screened in porch for live bee
                 demonstrations in their garden. They also have a glassed in extracting room to see the honey being
                 processed.
>
  Musee De L Abeille  Take a Bee Safari, observe thousands of bees at work, the queen, or the birth of a bee. This is a
                 fascinating presentation done with humor. The museum accommodates not only the bee safari , but
                 an interesting educational segment, homemade delicacies, a gift shop and a mead winery.
 
  Miellerie Du Musee De L Abeille    This newly established part of the Musee De L Abeille has an extraction plant
>                           where the extracting process can be viewed behind glass and a warehouse.  They do
                           mead production and have an instructional area where they teach students. The
                           honey gift shop is open to visitors from all parts of the world.
 
 Sainte-Anne-de-Beaupre Shrine This magnificent and gigantic church attracts approximately a million and a half
                           visitors.  The first church was built in 1658, the first Basilica built in 1876 but was
                           destroyed by fire in 1922.  The present Basilica was built in 1923 and was
                           consecrated on July 4, 1976.
 
>  Group 1 -Northern group - Exclusive visits:
 
  Miellerie Lambert Inc.   This 1800 hive operation, run by Paul Lambert at Wottonville, has a complete air operated
                      120 frame Cowan self loading line with a de-boxer and the Cowan honey wax separator.
                      Quebec beekeepers are very careful to separate and market honey from various floral sources.
                      Paul is ingenious at making all kinds of equipment for beekeeping and has an excellent
                      barrel turner for his electric forklift.  He also has a boom loader on each truck and has
>                      worked out radio controls to do away with cables.  The booms are used for both hive
                      movement and to load honey.  The melting room contains a dairy tank with the capacity for
                      six barrels of honey.  The three brothers involved in this very efficient set up pack and market
                      to over 100 stores.
 
                      Chapleau Ent.  Jean Pierre has an excellent honey bee queen producing operation with 400 hives and 1800 queen
>                      mating nuclei located at St. Adrien de Ham.  He has worked hard to select excellent stock and is
                      testing for hygienic behavior in his bees and is showing  80% hygienic bees.  There is only one other
                      queen producer in Quebec and they produce most of the mated queens (6-7000).  Jean Pierre has also
                      developed a hot wax dip process for treating supers. The hot wax is absorbed right into the wood and
                      really protects the wood.
>
 
  Pontneuf40
  Exit 257
  Exit 254
 
>
  Quebec
  City
  138
  40
  138
>  Centre de recherche
  120 Chemin du Roy
 
  Agri-Cultural Tours
  Official Technical Tour Operator for
  World Apimondia Congress 1999 - Vancouver, Canada
 
  As you may well know, Canada has the honour of hosting the World Apimondia 1999 Convention in Vancouver in September
  of 1999.  This event will bring technical experts, professional beekeepers and hobby beekeepers from around the world to one
  place, Vancouver, Canada.
 
 
>
Medhat Nasr
Ontario Beekeepers' Association
Dept. Environmental Biology
University of Guelph
Guelph, Ontario
N1G 2W1
Tel: (519) 824-4120
Fax:(519)837-0442
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Dear B-Liners:
 
                 EASTERN CANADA APICULTURAL SYMPOSIUM
                       SATURDAY, JULY 11, 1998
         DESCHAMBAULT RESEARCH STATION - DESCHAMBAULT, QUEBEC
 
 
   8:00 am  Commercial Displays open
 
  8:30 am  Registration and Coffee
 
 9:00 am  Welcome - Helene Prince, President, Federation Des Apiculteurs Du Quebec
                           - Suzanne Pilote, Director, Deschambault Research Station
 
 9:15 am  Bee Research at Deschambault Research Station, Quebec.
           Jocelyn Marceau, Apiculture, Government of Quebec
 
 9:45 am  Pollination in Maritime .
           Phil Janz, beekeeper, Nova Scotia Beekeepers' Assoc. President, CHC Rep
 
 10:00 am  World Perspective on Honey Bee Parasitic Mites
 Dr. Nikolaus Koeniger, Professor and researcher at the Institute fur
  Bienenkunde, Oberursel, Germany.
 
 10:45 am  Provincial Reports on Beekeeping industry
                  Quebec - Helene Prince, President
                  Maritimes - Ron Burhoe, P.E.I. President
                                   Phil Janz - N.S. President
                                   Paul Vautour, N.B. President
                 Ontario - David Vander Dussen, President
 
 11:30 am  Integrated Pest Management of Honey Bee Parasitic Mites:
            Startegy and Efficacy.
           Dr. Medhat Nasr, Ontario Beekeepers' Association
 
 12:00 pm  LUNCH - catered
 
 1:30 pm  Commercial Production of Mead
            Pierre Rousseau, Pro Miel
 
 2:00 pm  Breeding Buckfast bees
           Neil Orr, Ontario beekeeper
 
 2:30 pm  Marketing Ideas for the hive Products
           Clement Lalancette
 
 3:00 pm  Current Status of Honey Bee Mite Control in Europe
           Dr. Nikolaus Koeniger, Professor at the Institute fur
  Bienenkunde, Oberursel, Germany.
 
  3:45 pm   Tour Deschambault Research Station
 
 Registration Information
 
       EASTERN CANADA APICULTURAL SYMPOSIUM
                      SATURDAY, JULY 11, 1998
                         DESCHAMBAULT, QUEBEC
 
 
 
                New Brunswick Beekeepers' Association
               in conjunction with PEI Co-Operative &
                Nova Scotia Beekeepers' Association
                Ontario Beekeepers' Association
                Club Api & Federation Des Apiculteurs Du Quebec
 
 
  For advance registration send in the following form along with your cheque payable to Eastern
  Canada Apicultural Symposium.  It must be postmarked by June 8, 1998 to qualify for the
  SAVINGS.  Mail to:
 
                Eastern Canada Apicultural Symposium
                c/o Ontario Beekeepers' Association
                      Bayfield, Ontario  N0M 1G0
 
 
  N.B.       NO POST-DATED CHEQUES OR ADVANCE REGISTRATION BY PHONE.
             CHEQUES AND FORM MUST BE MAILED BY THE DEADLINE.  NO EXCEPTIONS.
 
 
 
              Cheque & Registration Form has to be postmarked by May 15th
                     to be included in the "EARLY BIRD DRAW"
                      Draw to take place at the Symposium.
              Prize - the book "Bees and Beekeeping, Science, Practice, World
               Resources Honey" by Eva Crane, 660 pages, (approx. value $150)
 
 
  Notes:     If you wish to be included in the catered lunch, you must reserve and pay for it in advance.
 
       Your receipt/nametag(s) will be ready for you to pick up at the Symposium Registration
      Desk.  Your cancelled cheque will indicate that we have received your registration.
 
                                    EVERYONE WELCOME!
 
 
>  If you need more information contact one of the following:
 
  Maritimes - Paul Vautour 506-388-5127
  Ontario     - Pat Westlake 519-565-2622, 519-565-5452 fax, ontbee@tcc.on.ca email
  Quebec      - Peter Keating 418-251-6435, 418-251-2373 fax, keating@destination.ca email
 
 
 
                          REGISTRATION FORM
 
 
 Please print clearly:
 
 
 
  FIRST NAME                                   LAST NAME
 
 
 
 SPOUSE'S NAME
 
 
 
  ADDRESS
 
 
 
  CITY                                                                             PROVINCE                               POSTAL CODE
 
 
  AREA CODE/PHONE NUMBER     FAX NUMBER                         E-MAIL ADDRESS
 
 
 
  ADVANCE REGISTRATION   Note:  At the door $45
 
 
  Beekeeper (& Spouse)  $35                               _________
 
  Lunch ____ x $ 5.00 per person                          _________
              no.
 
 
                                          Cheque Enclosed$ _________
 
 
 Cheque payable to the Eastern Canada Apicultural Symposium. GST
 ncluded in the prices.>
 
 
Medhat Nasr
Ontario Beekeepers' Association
Dept. Environmental Biology
University of Guelph
Guelph, Ontario
N1G 2W1
Tel: (519) 824-4120
Fax:(519)837-0442
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>    Re your described use of extender patties: are you aware of the
>    supposed link between long term (beyond what would have been applied
>    as dust) use of antibiotic extender patties especially in the presence
>    of AFB scale, and the development of resistant AFB strains?
 
Yes.  But if you use extender patties properly, where is the scale going
to come from?
 
>    AFB cultures to 1994 were no more tolerant of oxytetracycline, than
>    cultures from old scales (50 or so years old), but since 1996 cultures
>    from apiaries have been found in the U.S. that ARE less susceptible. I
>    think the link with extender patties is just a hypothesis, but it does
>    make sense (continuous selection pressure, a recent change in practice
>    that has become more frequent lately).
 
Well, when I think about this, I assume that there must be several modes
of AFB function for this to be credible, rather than the simple live and
kill the larva or die without offspring scenario I have always assumed.
 
I am quite ignorant here and am assuming (again) that that bacillus
larvae (or whatever it is called now) is specific to honeybee larvae and
has no other host.  My understanding is that in a case of larval infection
that either there are enough AFB germs to kill the larva and make spores,
or there aren't.
 
In the first case, there is a vast increase in the AFB organisms in the
cell.  In the second case, the sub-lethal one, what happens?  Do the
bacteria reproduce or do they die unreplicated?  If they reproduce, where
do they then live since the larva goes on to pupate?  In the pupa? In the
cell?  Are they communicated to other larvae?  Do they sporulate?  Or
remain vegetative and viable somewhere?  Or all the above?
 
I don't know.  I always just assumed that if specific AFB spores did not
kill the larva and sporulate and make scale, that was the end of those
particular individual germs and unless there was an occasional breakdown
and death of a larva in a hive, that the bacteria just became fewer and
fewer as they germinated and failed to gain a foothold.  That's why I
figured -- and continue to figure -- that after years of completely
suppressing AFB in a hive, that hive becomes increasingly unlikely to
break down with AFB.  We know that is true empiracly.  This is my
rationalization of that knowledge.
 
Am I wrong?  Is there another form of AFB infection besides the obvious
one with scale and dead larvae?  Is there one where the bacillus merry
goes on forever in the background without breakdown?  This seems to me to
be a necessary condition for the evolution of the resistance in the
presence of oxytet scenario you describe.  And if this is the case, then
resistance is almost inevitable unless another control is alternated
periodically.
 
>   In discussions of the issue at CAPA, I think the concensus was that
>    antibiotic patties are best used in a limited period (no longer than
>    dust would have been applied) and if patties are desired for their
>    tracheal mite benefit,  non-antibiotic patties be used.
 
Perhaps, but maybe that is all based strictly on conjecture?  Does anyone
there actually understand the whole AFB process in detail?  If so I am
really interested in hearing about it.  I have never come across anything
in my reading, which I must confess is somewhat limited in scope.
 
>    I can see it might be a tough call: the patties seem a good tool to
>    win the "battle" at an individual hive, and seem a benefit against
>    varroa, but it could be a risk in the longer term "war". One might
>    hope that resistant AFB would be eliminated by each beekeeper who
>    finds hives that don't respond to oxytet, and destroys the equipment,
>    but how little "leak" would that system need to allow enough survival
>    to lead to an established resistant strain?
 
Well, here we go again with only one registered chemical to control a
serious pest and we are talking hive destruction because we haven't
developed a second line of defence.  You would think we would have learned
but we don't.  FWIW, We are right in the middle of a developing disaster
in the US because of that kind of lack of forsight.  Apistan is the only
legal treatment for varroa and within a year it will not work reliably
anywhere in the US.  Sure they'll get formic registered soon, but I'll bet
real $ (US$) that they find what we have learned here in Canada -- and
that is that formic only sorta works and does not give the kind of
reliable and thorough results that Apistan did for years -- and the kind
of results that US commercial beekeeping needs to survive.
 
There is no good excuse for not having a second line ready and approved
for AFB, except inertia and good luck -- so far.  It is well known that
there are a number of known effective treatments for AFB, including the
best one I know of: sulfathiazole.
 
We lost sulfa due to lack of good guidance and poor mitigation of the
emergency caused by the discovery of residues.  At the time of the big
sulfa problem with amounts around one part per million showing up in
honey, I sat down and quickly figured out how much syulfa medicated feed
syrup would have to get into a 100 pound honey crop to give that 1ppm
level, and it came out at about one cup per hive as I recall.   Well,
considering how bees move honey around in a hive, I think we were dreaming
if we didn't think a cup of the honey in the brood chamber from the spring
could not wind up in a super come summer once in a while.  At any
rate, rather than get the abuse under control, the industry capitulated
and we lost one of our best AFB defenses
 
We know that we cannot tolerate any sulfa in honey.  No argment there.  I
can see why sulfa in syrup is a dumb idea, but why not okay it in pollen
patties or something that the bees consume?   What about sulfa in extender
or pollen patties?  There is zero risk of it getting into honey as far as
I can see.  After all, the bees *eat* or rub against it.  They don't
regurgitate it in its entirety and store such patties in a honey-like form
like they do with syrup.
 
There are other drugs too that should be considered for rotation with
oxytet.  IMO, anyhow, and now, not after the inevitable resistance
develops.
 
Back to the resistance scenario proposed: FWIW, If it matters, I think
there is much more likelihood of using oxytet in the presence of scale
using dust than by using patties if they are made properly, and I'd wager
that over 50% of the patties used are made with a vastly incorrect dosage.
 
And anyhow, I have yet to read any really convincing explanation of how
resistance develops.  I hear it is from overdosing and then I hear it
comes from underdosing, then I hear that it is inevitable regardless of
what we do.  I trust that all these explanations must be true, because
they all originate at some university or another.  Being just a dumb
farmer, it seems to me that the obvious solution is just to use
everything available in rotation and keep the pest pinned down in a
crossfire and guessing where the next assault will be coming from, not to
just licence one product and use it until the pest gets to like it.
 
>    I haven't heard recent news of the situation in Argentina, where
>    resistant AFB is also said to be a problem.
 
Thanks for bringing this up.  It is a good subject and I do worry about
it, but not enough to stop using patties.  As you can see by my rambling,
I really know nothing about these matters, except a few things that seem
to work.  There is a lot writtten and even more said, but not a lot of it
makes sense to me, so I go with the little I do know and that is they
worked for me last year.
 
FWIW, if I were to quit using patties or dust, it would not be because of
the spectre of resistant AFB, but would likely be due to the warnings
given by my old friend and former boss, Ulf.   But that is another matter
entirely, and concerns my own health and that of my workers.  On that
matter, I am much more impressed by the arguments...
 
Later
 
Allen
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Hei all,
Tim Wilson posted the following to sci.agr.beekeeping. I must say the
means of transporting bees by ship is something I've often wondered
about. Could our Aussie and/or Kiwi members answer the questions?
 
 
>I am an 8th grader in the USA, and I am doing a science report about
>bees and how they get to different places.
>
>I read that until about 140 years ago, New Zealand didn't have enough
>bees or the right kind, and so they were imported from Europe.
>
>What I don't know is, how would you do this? Take a queen? Or a whole
>hive? And how could the hive last that long? (wouldn't it have taken a
>long time to go from Europe to New Zealand in the 1850's?)
>
>And also, I have read that Australia has plenty of bees.  Why wouldn't
>they have gotten to New Zealand? Do bee swarms not go that far?  And
>anyway, even if the swarsm don't go that far, how come they didn't
>just import Australian bees?
>
>I know these are a lot of questions, and you don't have to answer all
>of them (you don't really have to answer any of them, right?) My big
>question is, how could you keep a queen or a hive or eggs alive at sea
>for weeks and weeks in the 1850's?
>
>Thank you for your help. If I get a good grade, I'll post it here!
>
>Signed, Tim Wilson
>
>PS By the way, are you supposed to say "hive" or "colony"? I want to
>call things the right name.
>
> bo-jan@erols.com
> Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:22:28 -0700
 
Cheers, Tony Morgan
Trondheim, Norway
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     Interesting subject!  I recently became interested in this subject
when I asked permission to place a hive on a military base.  I was given
permission but under the following stipulations.  I sign a release from
harm agreement, a "not for profit statement" and that I get $100,000 in
libility insurance.
     But those cases cited are concerned with businesses, what is the
libility factor for those of us who keep bees as a hobby?  And if I need
libility insurance for my one hive which is now kept on a friends farm
in Georgia, where can I buy the insurance at a decent price?  I called
around and found two insurance companies that stated they could insure
me but only at commericial business rates, over $600 dollars (U.S.) a
year.
 
 
 
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Date:         Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:36:34 -0400
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From:         Ian Watson <realtor@NIAGARA.COM>
Subject:      Terramycin being stored?
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Hi all
 
We were out de-queening hives the other day in
preparation for new queens, and I noticed in one
strong colony, which I had treated with terramycin
and dextrose (because it's very fine and mixes
well) that it appeared the bees had stored the dust
in the comb, in the outer area where they would
normally put pollen.  I didn't know they did this,
although it seems to be a good idea.  Is this
normal?
 
Ian Watson    realtor@niagara.com
real estate agent     gardener    baritone
beekeeper---> 6 colonies and soon 12 :)
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Date:         Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:47:07 -0600
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From:         Kenn Tuckey <kenn.tuckey@AGRIC.GOV.AB.CA>
Subject:      Re: Affordable Liability Insurance
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Have you tried your state beekeepers association.  Perhaps they have
liability insurance as part of the cost of membership or as an add on.
 
Here in Alberta Canada, members of the Alberta Beekeepers' Association can
obtain $1,000,000 CAN worth of liability insurance for a modest extra fee.
 
1 - 50 hives $6.35:  51-200 hives  $17.70  and over 200 hives  $29.07.
 
The ability to purchase this protection  makes the minimum $50 membership
fee a good investment.
 
And NO, you are not eligible to become a member of the ABA.
 
Kenn Tuckey
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Date:         Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:17:52 -0700
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Subject:      Thank You.
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Hi Bee People,
   Thank you all that sent replies to my request for advice. I am now
more confused that ever. It seems that everyone has their way of doing
things so I am going to take the good parts from all the replies and see
how things come out.
 
Thanks again...
 
Gary C, Lewis
Duke Center, Pa.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:19:06 GMT+0200
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From:         Garth <g95c6713@WARTHOG.RU.AC.ZA>
Organization: Rhodes University South Africa
Subject:      Antibiotics and reduced wax production
 
Greets All
 
Has anybody ever noticed a reduction in wax synthesis in antibiotic
treated clonies??
 
Keep well
 
Garth
 
PS: if you recieve this as a file and attachment, please mail me.
Garth Cambray           Camdini Apiaries
Grahamstown             Apis mellifera capensis
Eastern Cape Prov.
South Africa
 
Time = Honey
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Date:         Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:32:28 -0400
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From:         "Dr. Gerald L Barbor" <glbarbor@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Beesue; beekeeper liability - reply
 
Several years ago I happened to mention to my homeowners insurer of 35
years, while discussiong another matter,  that I had honey bees.   I was
cancelled within a month.  Through a local agent I was able to obtaim a
farmowners policy from Old Guard in Lancaster, Pa at a rate equal to, or
less than, the original.
 
Jerry B
 
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