From adamf Thu Apr 14 15:27:57 1994 Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 15:27:57 +22300129 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 721 Status: RO Path: solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Welcome All! Date: 14 Apr 1994 19:26:53 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: solaris.cc.vt.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1 To all people interested in bees, beekeeping and hive products: Please use this group! Its for you. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ###################################################################### Below is the actual first article of the newsgroup. Adam ###################################################################### From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!birdie-blue.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 Fri Apr 15 10:08:31 EDT 1994 Article: 1 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!birdie-blue.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 14 Apr 94 16:53:43 EST Organization: University of Scranton Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.cs.uofs.edu Hi Folks! Now that we have a newsgroup, maybe we should try to come up with a FAQ...Anybody have any questions that they think should be there? How about having a list of beekeeping organizations for folks to contact. The April issue of BEE CULTURE has suck a list that we could probably scan and post. They are listed by state and county/province for the US and Canada, if I remember correctly. Maybe we can add the ones for other countries that are represented here. Just a thought... -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | Where a social revolution is pending and, University Of Scranton | for whatever reason, is not accomplished, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | reaction is the alternative. ddc1@SCRANTON | -Daniel De Leon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown Fri Apr 15 10:08:32 EDT 1994 Article: 2 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown From: rbrown@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Rich Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A lesson for us all Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 22:14:58 GMT Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1994Apr14.221458.25556@ncsa.uiuc.edu> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: space.ncsa.uiuc.edu Originator: rbrown@space.ncsa.uiuc.edu This is really an amazing coincidence. I just finished typing a story I wanted to share with the group, about a similar incident that happened to me! In article <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dbush@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Bush) writes: >I was working as an apprentice one summer a few years back. Went to take a >swig of water through my veil. One sneaky devil got me on the upper lip. >My co-workers thought I looked just swell, ha ha ha. So watch out for the >sneaky ones! If this message serves to save one person's lips it will not >have been in vain. :(() > >David I was much luckier than David. I managed not to get stung. The story follows in a separate post. Rich -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown Fri Apr 15 10:08:33 EDT 1994 Article: 3 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown From: rbrown@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Rich Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Grandma Kept Bees Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 22:18:54 GMT Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois Lines: 129 Message-ID: <1994Apr14.221854.25726@ncsa.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: space.ncsa.uiuc.edu Originator: rbrown@space.ncsa.uiuc.edu Just wanted to say hello to all beekeepers. Although I haven't had my hand in for a while, I used to help my grandma with her hives when I was a kid. I expect that when I retire I will keep a couple of hives, just for old times' sake. When I was a teenager in the 60's and couldn't get a real job, my grandma hired me at 65 cents an hour to help her with her business. Since it was agricultural in nature, she was exempt from the minimum wage laws. At that time there were no penalties either, for hiring illegal aliens, so she did that too. No, I wasn't a "wetback" but I worked alongside several. Shrewd businesswoman that my grandma was, I and my Mexican co-workers were a source of cheap labor for her. I'm originally from southeastern New Mexico (virtual Texas, really), and I guess you could say my grandma was the "Queen Bee" of honey-farming in that region. She had over 200 hives scattered over as many square miles, and each day around sunrise -- except on Sundays -- we'd hop into her old Ford pickup with our sack lunches, plenty of water, and the back end filled with empty supers and hive tools. Not that the supers were _really_ empty: Each one had (is it 10 or 12?) frames in it, and each frame held a latticework of beeswax honeycomb, empty but eager to be filled with sweet nectar. Then we'd drive to one of the 35 or so places where there would be a half-dozen hives, and start robbing honey. Usually it was just the three of us, Grandma, Jorge and me, and by the time we'd hit each location, the hives we'd started at would be full again, and the cycle would continue. Sometimes we'd manage to hit two places per day, sometimes only one. Often there would be a two-hour drive each way, since the area is in the Great Chihuahuan Desert, and water was scarce. Only some parts of the region are arable, so the hives were mostly near farms that were watered by irrigation. Some hives were actually _in_ the desert though, so that Grandma could market her "Cactus Honey" too, along with the more plentiful clover and alfalfa honeys. It was easy for Grandma to persuade the farmers to let us put the hives on their land, since as every good farmer knows, bees are essential for pollination. Now, my grandma was an avid fly-fisherman, so it was no accident that many of the sites were near fishing holes. Many were the times when we'd park the truck, pile out, and Grandma would say, "Start with that'n yonder, I'm gonna see if the fish are bitin'." Then she'd disappear over the ridge and go down by the river, under a shade tree, and start casting. Meanwhile, Jorge and I would be suited up from head to toe in our gear, sweating in the 100-degree heat (but it was a _dry_ heat), stuffing old rags into our smokers and getting ready to rob the hives. Smart woman, my grandma. Prying the lid off the topmost super of a hive, we'd check its contents. If it wasn't full yet, and all capped off, we'd use the smokers to encourage the bees to descend into the next lower super. Then we'd dislodge the topmost one and set it aside. Usually that second super was full -- Grandma had an uncanny knack for getting the hives to just the right height so that we never had to set the second one aside too, since the bees filled the supers from the bottom up. They were very cooperative, I thought. Well, then we'd continue gently blowing the smoke into the super, and most of the bees would gladly crawl down toward the queen, in the bottom of the hive. Sometimes a few particularly diligent workers would refuse to budge. Prying loose a frame and removing it from the super with a clamp, we used brushes to flick those little gals back into the hive. Then we'd set each bulging frame into an empty super; when a super was loaded with frames, Jorge and I would take turns carrying the eighty-pound load back to the pickup. Whoever wasn't hauling a super that time would pry the now-empty super off the hive, and begin the process once more. We'd carry a "fresh" super back from the truck each time we hauled a full one. Usually we didn't rob the super just above the queen's oversized "super" at the bottom of the hive (I forget the technical term for it). Instead, we'd pry it loose from the queen's super, and hold it aside for a few seconds, filled with honey and buzzing bees -- must've weighed a hundred pounds. Then we'd place a fresh super directly above the queen's, and place the unrobbed super atop that. Then we'd stack the rest of the fresh supers above it, and replace the lid. Now we were ready to rob the next hive. But first it was _breaktime_! I remember that hives seemed to have "moods". Sometimes the least wisp of smoke would seem to put the whole hive to sleep, and it was very easy to rob the hive without any argument from the bees. Other times it seemed as if the hive was collectively saying, "Not now! We've got work to do!" and we'd have to smoke and brush, smoke and brush, constantly to coerce the little devils into letting us collect the fruits of their labor. I always thought it had something to do with the weather -- humidity or temperature or barometric pressure, or wind or something. I remember that desert anthills too would be quite busy just before a rainstorm, and I thought it must be an adaptive behavior of colonial insects, to be able to predict the weather, or something like that. One day while I was taking a break, I removed my gloves and my netted hat and took a long drink of cold water. Closing my eyes to keep out the sweat, I mopped my brow with a big bandana. The gentle wind felt good, evaporating the sweat as it still oozed from my pores. I turned to face the sun with my eyes remaining closed and just basked there for a moment, breathing deeply. I felt something tickling my upper lip and thought, "It could be just a fly, but it might be a bee or a yellowjacket or even a mud-dauber. Or it might be that loco Jorge playing a trick on me." In any case, I figured, it would be best to ignore my first impulse, to reach up and scratch my lip. So, other- wise still motionless, I opened my eyes and looked crosseyed past my nose, down at my lip. There she was, walking this way and that, her multi-faceted eyes peering up my right nostril. No! Don't even think about it! Well, sure enough, the warm moist cavern must have looked like an ineresting place to explore, and that little bee crawled right in. I almost panicked, but I had the presence of mind to breathe in slowly and deeply as I lifted my left hand. Pressing my left nostril closed, I then performed the "farmer blow" and ejected her as if she were so much snot. I felt sorry for her, but it was either her or me! Unaware of my predicament, Jorge and Grandma had a little trouble at first understanding why I had suddenly started pacing vigorously back and forth as I launched into the most proverbial cursing-a-blue-streak that they'd ever heard from me. It only took a few minutes before I calmed down enough to explain to them what had happened. My grandmother was a remakable woman. At a time when most women did not even work outside the home, she had already spent 35 years in business for herself. She retired from beekeeping, but before that she had engaged in a number of other businesses. I will always remember her as a liberated woman, years ahead of her time. Maybe I'll post some more remembrances another day. But now, it's _breaktime_! Rich -- -- Rich Brown, Programmer, Computing & Communications National Center for Supercomputing Applications University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf Fri Apr 15 10:08:34 EDT 1994 Article: 4 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grandma Kept Bees Date: 14 Apr 1994 23:53:50 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2okl2e$q6e@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1994Apr14.221854.25726@ncsa.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Thanks, your story removed me from my long day...and out to the bee-yard. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf Fri Apr 15 10:08:35 EDT 1994 Article: 5 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 1994 00:20:08 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 10 Message-ID: <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] I think Mr. Rick Hough is working on a FAQ. rshough@tasc.com He might need some help/suggestions. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!not-for-mail Fri Apr 15 10:08:36 EDT 1994 Article: 6 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!not-for-mail From: nhirsch@panix.com (Norman Hirsch) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grandma Kept Bees Date: 14 Apr 1994 21:24:01 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2okqbh$mkd@panix.com> References: <1994Apr14.221854.25726@ncsa.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com nice article. I'm an ex-beekeeper now living in New York City. I'd be interested in hearing about anyone keeping bees in a big city. Best regards, Norman Hirsch From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!usenet Fri Apr 15 10:08:37 EDT 1994 Article: 7 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!usenet From: strow@umbc.edu (L. Larrabee Strow) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Tree Date: 15 Apr 1994 01:57:09 GMT Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County Lines: 15 Sender: umbc7 Message-ID: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: turnip.umbc.edu X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0.1b19@turnip.umbc.edu X-Authenticated: umbc7 on Unix host umbc7.umbc.edu After having at least one hive for about 12 years I lost my bees to thoractic mites 2 years ago. Since I have my own business, 2 small kids,too many gardens etc. ,I have not had time to get it together for another hive. I have been lamenting that I have no bees on the property and since I was the only beekeeper in the neighborhood I really felt the loss. I was so excited to see that we have a real bee tree down near our creek. It seems very active and they are about15 feet up going in under a dead branch. I love having them even if I never harvest . Has anyone had a long time bee tree? Was it a stable hive ? I'd love more info.and or stories. Thank you and I know I have so much to learn. Van Wensil From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!ctc.com!news.cs.umb.edu!hsdndev!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!saturn.caps.maine.edu!maine.maine.edu!meljohn Fri Apr 15 10:08:38 EDT 1994 Article: 8 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!ctc.com!news.cs.umb.edu!hsdndev!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!saturn.caps.maine.edu!maine.maine.edu!meljohn Organization: University of Maine System Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 19:33:51 EDT From: Message-ID: <94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for books References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> Lines: 19 The books are: Aebi, Ormond and Harry. The Art and Adventure of Beekeeping. Santa Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1975. (Reprint: Emmaus, Pa.: Rodale Press, 1983.) Aebi, Ormond and Harry. Mastering the Art of Beekeeping. Santa Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1979. They are out of print. If you want copies of them, do the following: a) Contact a local used book dealer and ask her to do a search for you. It'll cost you a buck or so and you might get lucky. Or, b) Go to your local library with the info above and ask them to get them for y you on inter-library loan. Once you have your hands on them I'm sure you can f figure what to do! BTW, I thought this was SCI.agriculture.beekeeping and already ART is rearing its ugly head! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng Fri Apr 15 10:08:40 EDT 1994 Article: 9 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 1994 03:11:22 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Lines: 20 Message-ID: <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu In article <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Adam Finkelstein wrote: > I think Mr. Rick Hough is working on a FAQ. >rshough@tasc.com >He might need some help/suggestions. > >Adam Perhaps Tom Sanford (U. of Florida) and Eric Mussen (UC Davis) can be persuaded to post their respective newsletters on this group. Any beekeepers in the Chicago area who will let me at their drones?!! Cheers! Paul -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 Ward Bldg. Box 213 Chicago, IL 60611 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!ddsw1!not-for-mail Fri Apr 15 10:08:41 EDT 1994 Article: 10 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: justice@MCS.COM (Michael Justice) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What to do about mites? (was Re: Bee Tree) Date: 15 Apr 1994 00:07:45 -0500 Organization: MCSNet Subscriber, Chicago, IL Lines: 18 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2ol7f1$sav@genesis.MCS.COM> References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: genesis.mcs.com In article <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> strow@umbc.edu (L. Larrabee Strow) writes: > After having at least one hive for about 12 years I lost my bees to >thoractic mites 2 years ago. What can small beekeepers do about mites, and does anyone know how they get spread?? Both of the beekeepers I know have lost all their hives (four for one, six for the other) to the evil little buggers. This was years ago, about the time that the mites started making headlines. I read somewhere that placing blocks coated with menthol in the hives can kill the mites, but will also ruin the honey. -- Michael. -- Michael A. Justice \ "Bizarre diseases will continue to spawn in the justice@genesis.mcs.com) developing countries. We're all hoping for one NRA Life / ILA / TCA / that kills only lawyers." -- P.J. O'Rourke Libertarian Party / PGP PUBLIC KEY: finger -l justice@genesis.mcs.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!rah Fri Apr 15 10:08:41 EDT 1994 Article: 11 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!rah From: rah@netcom.com (Richard Hyde) Subject: Re: Looking for books Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 05:25:11 GMT Lines: 15 Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate (fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov) wrote: : I'm trying to locate the books by the Aebi's. The first is called : "Mastering the Art of Beekeeping;" I can't recall the name of the : second. As far as I know, the Aebi's still live in Santa Cruz, CA. You might try calling them. I really enjoyed those books, but looking at my shelf I seem to have misplaced mine :-( Rick -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Richard Hyde | RaH@netcom.com | This space intentionally left blank | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Fri Apr 15 10:08:42 EDT 1994 Article: 12 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: matchstic@aol.com (Matchstic) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for books Date: 15 Apr 1994 01:11:08 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2ol7lc$shm@search01.news.aol.com> References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com In article <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov>, fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov (Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate) writes: Try Wicwas Press They have a great list both of current books in print and an equally neat list of older and antique books. 1-203-250-7575 Hope this helps mike vincent matchstic@aol.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Fri Apr 15 10:08:43 EDT 1994 Article: 13 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: matchstic@aol.com (Matchstic) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newsletter swap Date: 15 Apr 1994 01:14:05 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 6 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2ol7qt$sic@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com Im looking for Bee associations around the world to swap newsletters with. I'm the editor of my local hobbiest group's newsletter. It comes out monthly ,usually 4 pages. Any takers? mike vincent matchstic@aol.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!tudelft.nl!et.tudelft.nl!ddtc.et.tudelft.nl!wekken Fri Apr 15 10:08:44 EDT 1994 Article: 14 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!tudelft.nl!et.tudelft.nl!ddtc.et.tudelft.nl!wekken Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Allergic reaction Message-ID: <1994Apr15.110622.3121@et.tudelft.nl> From: wekken@ddtc.et.tudelft.nl (Peter van der Wekken) Date: 15 Apr 94 11:06:21 +0200 Distribution: world Nntp-Posting-Host: ddtc.et.tudelft.nl Lines: 12 Hi beekeepers, Does anyone know of a cure and/or medication against allergic reactions from a bee-sting. -- Peter van der Wekken Delft University of Technology Phone: +31 15 781708 Department of Electrical Engineering Telefax: +31 15 623271 DIMES Design and Test Centre, 16th floor Mekelweg 4, Delft 2628 CD The Netherlands From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!cs.uiuc.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!lhc!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER Fri Apr 15 10:08:45 EDT 1994 Article: 15 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!cs.uiuc.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!lhc!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER From: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov (Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate) Subject: Looking for books Message-ID: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Reply-To: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov Organization: DCRT, NIH, Bethesda, MD Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 18:39:55 GMT Lines: 14 I'm trying to locate the books by the Aebi's. The first is called "Mastering the Art of Beekeeping;" I can't recall the name of the second. Border's bookstore here doesn't have them listed, and so I suspect that they're out of print. Does anyone know where I might locate a copy, or perhaps write to a publisher for a stock copy (or at worst, copy permission, on the off-chance that I could ever find a library copy of one)? --------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Tate | "So he dropped the heart - MSD, Inc. | the floor's clean." fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov | - Sidney Harris From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf Fri Apr 15 10:08:46 EDT 1994 Article: 16 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for books Date: 15 Apr 1994 10:32:05 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 11 Message-ID: <2olqf5$kt4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> <94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] : BTW, I thought this was SCI.agriculture.beekeeping and already ART is rearing : its ugly head! AGRICULTURE takes the ART part, for agriculture is truly a blending between art and science! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!ll.mit.edu!jfinn Fri Apr 15 10:08:47 EDT 1994 Article: 17 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!ll.mit.edu!jfinn From: jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) Subject: How much time ? Message-ID: <1994Apr15.102013.7264@ll.mit.edu> Originator: jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) Sender: news@ll.mit.edu Reply-To: jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 10:20:13 GMT Lines: 18 I'm happy to see this new group. I don't keep bees but have been interested and toying with the idea for years. I live on a 5 acre piece of land that is mostly a grassy field with scattered trees. I'm going to be planting a dozen fruit trees next week and I'm giving serious though to starting some hives. My question is this: How much time can I expect to be spending maintaining a few hives ? Do I have to work at them every day, every few days, etc ? Also, how much honey can I expect to get from a few hives ? Thanks for any help. Joe jfinn@ll.mit.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 Fri Apr 15 22:46:34 EDT 1994 Article: 18 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 94 06:56:35 EST Organization: University of Scranton Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1994Apr15.065635.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> References: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.cs.uofs.edu In article <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu>, pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) writes: > > Any beekeepers in the Chicago area who will let me at their drones?!! HEY! Take it to alt.sex, buddy! Boy Start a nice little group about beekeeping and all the sickos show up...SHEESH! 8-} ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | Where a social revolution is pending and, University Of Scranton | for whatever reason, is not accomplished, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | reaction is the alternative. ddc1@SCRANTON | -Daniel De Leon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!roentgen.demon.co.uk!david Fri Apr 15 22:46:35 EDT 1994 Article: 19 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: david@roentgen.demon.co.uk (Dr David Lauckner) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!roentgen.demon.co.uk!david Subject: Re: Allergic reaction Organization: Wansbeck Radiology Department X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 References: <1994Apr15.110622.3121@et.tudelft.nl> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 13:08:52 +0000 Message-ID: Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Lines: 35 wekken@ddtc.et.tudelft.nl (Peter van der Wekken) writes: : Hi beekeepers, : : Does anyone know of a cure and/or medication against allergic reactions : from a bee-sting. : I used to suffer for a few days after a bee sting; painful itching in an area 5-10 cms across around the sting point. Perhaps the most annoying part was the sensitivity in this area which would flare up again with minimal provocation. After 4 days or so it would have settled completely. I felt that an antihistamine might help in moderating the primary response and decresing the sensitivity to recurrent itching over the following days. The newer antihistamines have a rapid onset of action and much less sedative side effect; additionally they are now available over the counter from pharmacies. What I do is to take a tablet with me to the hives and take it (slip it up under my veil) as soon as I feel a sting. This takes a matter of a few seconds. I do not generally take one before going to the hives although this would be quite reasonable. (but more expensive!) Since adopting this policy I have found that I am happier when in among the bees, and if I do get a sting I don't have the after effects. Drugs used: Terfenadine, Cetirizine Disclaimer: This is not necessarily sound medical advice; it is just what I have found to be useful as a beekeeper. -- Dr David Lauckner Phone: 0670-521212 Wansbeck General Hospital Fax: 0670-529778 ASHINGTON, Northumberland e-mail: david@roentgen.demon.co.uk United Kingdom. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!csc.canberra.edu.au!student!u914097 Fri Apr 15 22:46:36 EDT 1994 Article: 20 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!csc.canberra.edu.au!student!u914097 From: u914097@student.canberra.edu.au (Feldman / Mark Jeffrey (ISE)) Subject: Is anyone working on a FAQ? Message-ID: <1994Apr15.152330.738@csc.canberra.edu.au> Sender: news@csc.canberra.edu.au Nntp-Posting-Host: student.canberra.edu.au Organization: University of Canberra Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 15:23:30 GMT Lines: 13 Subject line says it all! Anyone working on a FAQ to answer things like: I wanna start my very own hive, how do I do this? How much will a setup cost? How much honey will I get? But won't I get stung????? etc... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Feldman \\_==_o Skydivers do E-mail : u914097@student.canberra.edu.au \\ it at 120mph.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!apollo1.cacd.rockwell.com!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vincent2.iastate.edu!adwright Fri Apr 15 22:46:38 EDT 1994 Article: 21 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!apollo1.cacd.rockwell.com!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vincent2.iastate.edu!adwright From: adwright@iastate.edu () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WHy did my bees die this winter? Date: 15 Apr 94 15:26:36 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Lines: 32 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: vincent2.iastate.edu This is my first hive. Things seemed to be ok. I had the varora mite strips in there and put on menthol in the fall for tracheal mites. The -23 F lows concerned me, but two days after that i put my ear to the hive and heard a lot of buzzing. We had another cold snap but i could still hear the buzzing, but this time could see a lot of dead beed that were thrown out by their live brethern. I checked a week later and all were dead. I opened the hive to find several full combs of capped honey in places yet all were dead. The thing that seemed wierd was many of them were dead right on the comb with their heads inside the cells. Many more were on the baseboard. They were not any funny looking color, they looked like bees do whern alive, so i guess that rules out chalkbrood and foulbrood. Some were so intact looking sitting on the combs that if i photographed them it would appear that i had photographed live bees. Know what I mean? I tried to find the queen but could not, though its very possible i overlooked her. Does the fact that bees were found (dead) in several places in the hive might mean she died and they were scattered? Any clues as to what happened? I had not given them any antibiotics, is that a mistake? I fed them all summer and took no honey since i wanted them to be strong for the next year. It is a big disappointment. Hope someone can help me figure what i did wrong. Many thanks Allen -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail Fri Apr 15 22:46:39 EDT 1994 Article: 22 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail From: edbu@sepia.wv.tek.com (Ed Burress) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A lesson for us all Date: 15 Apr 1994 08:54:20 -0700 Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <2omdbcINN43g@sepia.wv.tek.com> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sepia.wv.tek.com In article <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dbush@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Bush) writes: >swig of water through my veil. One sneaky devil got me on the upper lip. David, I have found that a sports-type squeeze bottle works well for this application. It can be a little messy at first, but with practice works well. Never had one on the upper lip, Ouch! On an unrelated note, has anyone heard of mites invading and destroying hives? My mother who lives in the mid Willamette valley says that her hives, as well as the neighbors (a large honey producer in the area) lost all of his hives. Apparently, these mites have been responsible for destruction of quite a few hives in Oregon and southern Washington. She just replaced her bees with a new shipment that is supposed to be more resistant to the mites. Anybody else heard of these, or lost any hives as a result? -Ed From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.amherst.edu!not-for-mail Fri Apr 15 22:46:40 EDT 1994 Article: 23 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.amherst.edu!not-for-mail From: nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu (Neil Bernstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Vergil's Fourth Georgic Date: 15 Apr 1994 12:08:47 -0400 Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA, USA Lines: 7 Message-ID: <2ome6f$9jb@amhux3.amherst.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Would anyone like to discuss Vergil's Fourth Georgic (the book on bees)? I'll post more when I've finished it... - Neil Bernstein -- nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu, lentus in umbra | nudus ara, sere nudus... in omnibus requiem quaesivi, et nusquam inveni nisi in angulo cum libro From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail Fri Apr 15 22:46:41 EDT 1994 Article: 24 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail From: weedk@salmon.wv.tek.com (Kirk A Weedman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Date: 15 Apr 1994 10:09:27 -0700 Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <2omho7INNfcb@salmon.wv.tek.com> References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: salmon.wv.tek.com I'm planting a few acres of fruit trees this year and would like to have some bees. I'm sure the other farmers around me would like it too. So what would I need to start a beehive and how many bees/acre of apple trees would I need? If X is the amount then would 2X or more be better or matter since there are hundreds of acres of farming around me? Kirk weedk@salmon.wv.tek.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Fri Apr 15 22:46:44 EDT 1994 Article: 25 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do about mites? (was Re: Bee Tree) Date: 15 Apr 1994 16:23:49 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 9 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2omf2l$869@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> <2ol7f1$sav@genesis.MCS.COM> Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] i lost my single hive to varroa last season. i'll be replacing it with two more. i'm told that you must use varroa strips and remove them well before harvesting. maybe someone else has had experience with the strips. btw, i'm in southern california. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Fri Apr 15 22:46:46 EDT 1994 Article: 26 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A lesson for us all Date: 15 Apr 1994 17:31:48 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 21 Message-ID: <2omj24$bt9@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <2omdbcINN43g@sepia.wv.tek.com> Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Ed Burress (edbu@sepia.wv.tek.com) wrote: [much deleted . . .] : On an unrelated note, has anyone heard of mites invading and destroying hives? : My mother who lives in the mid Willamette valley says that her hives, as well : as the neighbors (a large honey producer in the area) lost all of his hives. : Apparently, these mites have been responsible for destruction of quite a few : hives in Oregon and southern Washington. She just replaced her bees with a : new shipment that is supposed to be more resistant to the mites. Anybody else : heard of these, or lost any hives as a result? [more deletions . . .] as i said elsewhere, i lost my only hive to mites . . . the bees abscond, leaving an incredibly clean hive behind! mites are becoming endemic in the u.s., i guess. there are medicated varroa strips that you can use, but you must remove the strips some considerable time before harvesting honey. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Fri Apr 15 22:46:48 EDT 1994 Article: 27 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 1994 17:43:20 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2omjnp$38s@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com This newsgroup is great! Anyone know where I can get one of Dadant's out-of-print books on Bees and The Law? It was written by someone in Virginia. Also, I have postscript files of 4 articles that I published in ABJ last year on Beekeeping Business plans, finance applied to bee operations and one that I did on analyzing the affect of imported honey. Will internet handle postscript docs? David MacFawn Master Beekeeper Raleigh, North Carolina From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!crash!donb Fri Apr 15 22:46:51 EDT 1994 Article: 28 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!crash!donb From: donb@crash.cts.com (Donald Bowen) Subject: Bees and supers wanted Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET/crash), San Diego, CA Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 14:38:43 GMT Message-ID: Sender: news@crash.cts.com (news subsystem) Nntp-Posting-Host: crash.cts.com Lines: 4 I am looking for some bees for sale in Souhern California. A friend is looking for some supers. DonB From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER Fri Apr 15 22:46:52 EDT 1994 Article: 29 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER From: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov (Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate) Subject: Re: Looking for books Message-ID: <1994Apr15.142115.20369@alw.nih.gov> Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Reply-To: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov Organization: DCRT, NIH, Bethesda, MD References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov>,<94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 14:21:15 GMT Lines: 31 In article <94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, writes: >The books are: > > Aebi, Ormond and Harry. The Art and Adventure of Beekeeping. > Santa Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1975. (Reprint: Emmaus, Pa.: > Rodale Press, 1983.) > > Aebi, Ormond and Harry. Mastering the Art of Beekeeping. Santa > Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1979. > > [... deletions ...] > >BTW, I thought this was SCI.agriculture.beekeeping and already ART is rearing >its ugly head! No smiley? I'll take this as it stands, then.... I *believe* the Aebis hold the record for the most honey taken from a single hive in a single (season? visit?). On that strength alone I'd say their books deserve a serious look by any serious beekeeping aficionado. >From an outside reference to the books, I gather that they also didn't use much in the way of protective garb, smoke, &c., so I'm curious as to their approach. (I'll forbear from an argument about whether or not it is desirable or even possible to divorce science and art. :-) --------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Tate | "So he dropped the heart - MSD, Inc. | the floor's clean." fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov | - Sidney Harris From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Fri Apr 15 22:46:53 EDT 1994 Article: 30 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do about mites? (was Re: Bee Tree) Date: 15 Apr 1994 17:57:45 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2omkip$38s@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: <2ol7f1$sav@genesis.MCS.COM> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com > After having at least one hive for about 12 years I lost my bees to >thoractic mites 2 years ago. >What can small beekeepers do about mites, and does anyone know how they >get spread?? Both of the beekeepers I know have lost all their hives >(four for one, six for the other) to the evil little buggers. This was >years ago, about the time that the mites started making headlines. >I read somewhere that placing blocks coated with menthol in the hives >can kill the mites, but will also ruin the honey. It depends on what type of mites your a speaking about. For Tracheal mites, menthol works if the temperature is warm. A lot of the bees today are just now starting to development some resistance to Tracheal mites. During the last several years we have had a high hive mortality due to this mite but, the mites killed their hosts which ment they also died. In nature for the mite to survive, the host or bee must also survive and not bee killed. So, we are starting to see some resistance to the Tracheal mite. Vegetable Shorting / sugar patties are also showing promise for controlling Tracheal, there was another article in either ABJ or Bee Culture on vegetable shorting patties this month. Varroa mite is another story. You need to use Apistan strips in the hive and not use the strips approx 6 weeks before or during the honey flow. The strips should be left on 4-6 weeks, I can remember which, but read and follow the label directions. Make sure that you do not leave the strips on longer, since this is a pesticide and the Varrora may very well develop resistance to the Apistan. There already have been some reports of resistance to Apistan. We did have Miticur but it was recalled last year d ue to a law suit. The African bee is supposely resistant to both Tracheal and Varroa mites...maybe we can cross breed the littel devil. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Fri Apr 15 22:46:54 EDT 1994 Article: 31 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and supers wanted Date: 15 Apr 1994 19:14:26 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 16 Message-ID: <2omp2i$bt9@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Donald Bowen (donb@crash.cts.com) wrote: : I am looking for some bees for sale in Souhern California. : A friend is looking for some supers. : DonB don - i'm getting two nuks from a fellow at l.a. honey. his name is chase walker and the number is 213-264-2383 . . . this will be the first time i get my bees from him, so i don't have any history to impart. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark Fri Apr 15 22:46:56 EDT 1994 Article: 32 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark From: mark@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (M.C. Rendina ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mites Date: 15 Apr 1994 19:55:20 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 18 Message-ID: <2omrf8$op3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <2omdbcINN43g@sepia.wv.tek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu edbu@sepia.wv.tek.com (Ed Burress) writes: >In article <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dbush@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Bush) >On an unrelated note, has anyone heard of mites invading and destroying hives? >My mother who lives in the mid Willamette valley says that her hives, as well >as the neighbors (a large honey producer in the area) lost all of his hives. >Apparently, these mites have been responsible for destruction of quite a few >hives in Oregon and southern Washington. She just replaced her bees with a >new shipment that is supposed to be more resistant to the mites. Anybody else >heard of these, or lost any hives as a result? Yep. Lost all three. Mites are everywhere. (I assume we're talking about the same tracheal mite?) In the Midwest, the bees live fine thru the summer (their life expectancy is shorter than it takes for the mites to kill them) but in the winter, the hive dies. A real bummer. I'd never lost a colony in the winter before. Ouch. Mark From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark Fri Apr 15 22:46:57 EDT 1994 Article: 33 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark From: mark@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (M.C. Rendina ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much time ? Date: 15 Apr 1994 20:04:10 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 37 Message-ID: <2omrvq$q6a@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1994Apr15.102013.7264@ll.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) writes: >I'm happy to see this new group. I don't keep bees >but have been interested and toying with the idea for >years. I'm happy to see it to. I got interested in bees when I saw a show on T.V. and then in junior high, I needed to build something in industrial arts! What a perfect combo! >I live on a 5 acre piece of land that is mostly >a grassy field with scattered trees. I'm going to be >planting a dozen fruit trees next week and I'm giving >serious though to starting some hives. My question >is this: How much time can I expect to be spending >maintaining a few hives ? When I asked this question as a young-un, a wise man reminded me that bees have lived for millions of years without us. >Do I have to work at them every day, every few days, etc ? If you're touching thme more than once a week, you're getting in their way. When I went away to college, my bees did just fine without me. I had to make sure the hive was the right size (mostly a spring-fall job), harvest the honey, and that's about it. >Also, how much honey can I expect to get from a few hives ? Anywhere from zip to (what's the record?) I think it was over 400 pounds. 50-100 is probably typical, but that's my midwestern hives. ===================================================================== Mark Rendina o ___ __ jedi@uiuc.edu __/\o_ __o < \ | | \ | University of Illinois _ \<_ _/\ | |_/ | (_)/(_) / Just | | \ | From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks Sat Apr 16 08:54:25 EDT 1994 Article: 34 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Distance between hives Date: 15 Apr 1994 22:15:14 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 12 Message-ID: <2on3li$rc6@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Howdy all, I've been lurking on BEE-L for a while now, awaiting the big day, which is today: as I type I've got two 3 lbs packages of bees buzzing at me from across the room. Needless to say I'm excited. Question that I can't find the answer to in any of the books I've got: How far apart should hives bee (min. and max.)? Does it even matter? Thanks, Jordan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!clstac!pwtokar Sat Apr 16 08:54:29 EDT 1994 Article: 35 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!clstac!pwtokar From: pwtokar@csupomona.edu (Patrick Tokar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: How much time? Date: 15 Apr 94 15:30:21 PST Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1994Apr15.153021.1@clstac> NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsb.is.csupomona.edu Really once a week is enough. Basically you just have to watch that there are no new queen cells (and if so why?) and check for disease and mites. Acarapis woodi and varroa jacobsoni are the only two mites you have to look out for. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cholley Sat Apr 16 08:54:31 EDT 1994 Article: 36 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cholley From: cholley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Catherine T Holley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help,please! Date: 16 Apr 1994 00:06:32 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <2ona68$n1n@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu I hope that this group will be able to help us out on a problem. If I'm in the wrong place, then just ignore this post. 3-4 years ago, a swarm of honey bees moved into the cinder blocks that make up our chimney. They're not in the chimney pipe, just the "honeycomb" that the cinderblocks form. Every few days one of the bees gets lost and works its way into the house, not really a problem for us, but deadly for the bee since they can't get out or get back into the hive. How do we get them out of the chimney without tearing it down? I don't want to destroy an entire hive of bees; something seems very criminal in this. I just want them out of the block. We live in a log cabin and I'm afraid that the honey will draw other unwanted guests that might find the logs an excellent home or an excellent addition to a meal. Any suggestions? Cathy Holley cholley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!erg.sri.com!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!bank.ecn.purdue.edu!mbrockma Sat Apr 16 08:54:32 EDT 1994 Article: 37 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!erg.sri.com!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!bank.ecn.purdue.edu!mbrockma From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman) Subject: Bumble vs. Honey Message-ID: Sender: news@noose.ecn.purdue.edu (USENET news) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 01:23:05 GMT Lines: 13 Can someone tell me (e-mail preferred) the difference between a Bumble Bee and a normal Honey bee and any other major types of bees? Thanks, =============================================================================== Matt Brockman mbrockma@ecn.purdue.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "While a llama may produce some of the world's finest of wools, prized around the world, their breath, on the other hand, could only be prized somewhere in the far reaches of llama hell." =============================================================================== From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!blanket.mitre.org!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks Sat Apr 16 08:54:33 EDT 1994 Article: 38 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!blanket.mitre.org!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Questions from a beginner Date: 16 Apr 1994 03:58:24 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 28 Message-ID: <2onnp0$4ic@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Well, I put my two packages in their hives today, so I am now officially an apiarist. Many questions already, though, that hopefully some kind and knowledgeable soul will take a moment or two to answer: 1) My bees have found a knothole at the top and are going in and out of it, basically ignoring the more traditional (although slightly blocked by one of those wooden hole-maker-smaller-things) entrance at the bottom. Question is: is this a problem? Will they find the regular hole? Should I plug the knothole? 2) When I shook in my package, I was unable to get out a good 1/3 of them. All the books I read just said "some" would remain. Question is: does "some" = 1/3? Is this a problem? 3) Are there any organic approaches to disease control (Nosema, Foulbrood, mites, etc.)? I hate the idea of taking something as beautiful and natural as honey and fouling it with chemicals. Is there something I can plant in my garden? Some herb to cook in with the sugar syrup? Anyone doing research on this? 4) How many quart jars should I have at a time for a top feeder? There are slots for four, but is this necessary/recommended? How often should I refill them? As often as they're empty? The books I have seem to skip over these questions, so I'm hoping the vast world of the net will be able to help. Thanks in advance... Jordan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!sarah!rpi!steel.arch.rpi.edu!mulder Sun Apr 17 11:14:16 EDT 1994 Article: 39 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!sarah!rpi!steel.arch.rpi.edu!mulder From: mulder@steel.arch.rpi.edu (Maarten M Mulder) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WHy did my bees die this winter? Date: 16 Apr 1994 06:17:40 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY. Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2onvu4$2ud@From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!birdie-blue.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 Mon Apr 18 09:25:54 EDT 1994 Article: 1 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!birdie-blue.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 14 Apr 94 16:53:43 EST Organization: University of Scranton Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.cs.uofs.edu Hi Folks! Now that we have a newsgroup, maybe we should try to come up with a FAQ...Anybody have any questions that they think should be there? How about having a list of beekeeping organizations for folks to contact. The April issue of BEE CULTURE has suck a list that we could probably scan and post. They are listed by state and county/province for the US and Canada, if I remember correctly. Maybe we can add the ones for other countries that are represented here. Just a thought... -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | Where a social revolution is pending and, University Of Scranton | for whatever reason, is not accomplished, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | reaction is the alternative. ddc1@SCRANTON | -Daniel De Leon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown Mon Apr 18 09:25:58 EDT 1994 Article: 2 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown From: rbrown@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Rich Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A lesson for us all Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 22:14:58 GMT Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1994Apr14.221458.25556@ncsa.uiuc.edu> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: space.ncsa.uiuc.edu Originator: rbrown@space.ncsa.uiuc.edu This is really an amazing coincidence. I just finished typing a story I wanted to share with the group, about a similar incident that happened to me! In article <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dbush@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Bush) writes: >I was working as an apprentice one summer a few years back. Went to take a >swig of water through my veil. One sneaky devil got me on the upper lip. >My co-workers thought I looked just swell, ha ha ha. So watch out for the >sneaky ones! If this message serves to save one person's lips it will not >have been in vain. :(() > >David I was much luckier than David. I managed not to get stung. The story follows in a separate post. Rich -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown Mon Apr 18 09:26:01 EDT 1994 Article: 3 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown From: rbrown@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Rich Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Grandma Kept Bees Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 22:18:54 GMT Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois Lines: 129 Message-ID: <1994Apr14.221854.25726@ncsa.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: space.ncsa.uiuc.edu Originator: rbrown@space.ncsa.uiuc.edu Just wanted to say hello to all beekeepers. Although I haven't had my hand in for a while, I used to help my grandma with her hives when I was a kid. I expect that when I retire I will keep a couple of hives, just for old times' sake. When I was a teenager in the 60's and couldn't get a real job, my grandma hired me at 65 cents an hour to help her with her business. Since it was agricultural in nature, she was exempt from the minimum wage laws. At that time there were no penalties either, for hiring illegal aliens, so she did that too. No, I wasn't a "wetback" but I worked alongside several. Shrewd businesswoman that my grandma was, I and my Mexican co-workers were a source of cheap labor for her. I'm originally from southeastern New Mexico (virtual Texas, really), and I guess you could say my grandma was the "Queen Bee" of honey-farming in that region. She had over 200 hives scattered over as many square miles, and each day around sunrise -- except on Sundays -- we'd hop into her old Ford pickup with our sack lunches, plenty of water, and the back end filled with empty supers and hive tools. Not that the supers were _really_ empty: Each one had (is it 10 or 12?) frames in it, and each frame held a latticework of beeswax honeycomb, empty but eager to be filled with sweet nectar. Then we'd drive to one of the 35 or so places where there would be a half-dozen hives, and start robbing honey. Usually it was just the three of us, Grandma, Jorge and me, and by the time we'd hit each location, the hives we'd started at would be full again, and the cycle would continue. Sometimes we'd manage to hit two places per day, sometimes only one. Often there would be a two-hour drive each way, since the area is in the Great Chihuahuan Desert, and water was scarce. Only some parts of the region are arable, so the hives were mostly near farms that were watered by irrigation. Some hives were actually _in_ the desert though, so that Grandma could market her "Cactus Honey" too, along with the more plentiful clover and alfalfa honeys. It was easy for Grandma to persuade the farmers to let us put the hives on their land, since as every good farmer knows, bees are essential for pollination. Now, my grandma was an avid fly-fisherman, so it was no accident that many of the sites were near fishing holes. Many were the times when we'd park the truck, pile out, and Grandma would say, "Start with that'n yonder, I'm gonna see if the fish are bitin'." Then she'd disappear over the ridge and go down by the river, under a shade tree, and start casting. Meanwhile, Jorge and I would be suited up from head to toe in our gear, sweating in the 100-degree heat (but it was a _dry_ heat), stuffing old rags into our smokers and getting ready to rob the hives. Smart woman, my grandma. Prying the lid off the topmost super of a hive, we'd check its contents. If it wasn't full yet, and all capped off, we'd use the smokers to encourage the bees to descend into the next lower super. Then we'd dislodge the topmost one and set it aside. Usually that second super was full -- Grandma had an uncanny knack for getting the hives to just the right height so that we never had to set the second one aside too, since the bees filled the supers from the bottom up. They were very cooperative, I thought. Well, then we'd continue gently blowing the smoke into the super, and most of the bees would gladly crawl down toward the queen, in the bottom of the hive. Sometimes a few particularly diligent workers would refuse to budge. Prying loose a frame and removing it from the super with a clamp, we used brushes to flick those little gals back into the hive. Then we'd set each bulging frame into an empty super; when a super was loaded with frames, Jorge and I would take turns carrying the eighty-pound load back to the pickup. Whoever wasn't hauling a super that time would pry the now-empty super off the hive, and begin the process once more. We'd carry a "fresh" super back from the truck each time we hauled a full one. Usually we didn't rob the super just above the queen's oversized "super" at the bottom of the hive (I forget the technical term for it). Instead, we'd pry it loose from the queen's super, and hold it aside for a few seconds, filled with honey and buzzing bees -- must've weighed a hundred pounds. Then we'd place a fresh super directly above the queen's, and place the unrobbed super atop that. Then we'd stack the rest of the fresh supers above it, and replace the lid. Now we were ready to rob the next hive. But first it was _breaktime_! I remember that hives seemed to have "moods". Sometimes the least wisp of smoke would seem to put the whole hive to sleep, and it was very easy to rob the hive without any argument from the bees. Other times it seemed as if the hive was collectively saying, "Not now! We've got work to do!" and we'd have to smoke and brush, smoke and brush, constantly to coerce the little devils into letting us collect the fruits of their labor. I always thought it had something to do with the weather -- humidity or temperature or barometric pressure, or wind or something. I remember that desert anthills too would be quite busy just before a rainstorm, and I thought it must be an adaptive behavior of colonial insects, to be able to predict the weather, or something like that. One day while I was taking a break, I removed my gloves and my netted hat and took a long drink of cold water. Closing my eyes to keep out the sweat, I mopped my brow with a big bandana. The gentle wind felt good, evaporating the sweat as it still oozed from my pores. I turned to face the sun with my eyes remaining closed and just basked there for a moment, breathing deeply. I felt something tickling my upper lip and thought, "It could be just a fly, but it might be a bee or a yellowjacket or even a mud-dauber. Or it might be that loco Jorge playing a trick on me." In any case, I figured, it would be best to ignore my first impulse, to reach up and scratch my lip. So, other- wise still motionless, I opened my eyes and looked crosseyed past my nose, down at my lip. There she was, walking this way and that, her multi-faceted eyes peering up my right nostril. No! Don't even think about it! Well, sure enough, the warm moist cavern must have looked like an ineresting place to explore, and that little bee crawled right in. I almost panicked, but I had the presence of mind to breathe in slowly and deeply as I lifted my left hand. Pressing my left nostril closed, I then performed the "farmer blow" and ejected her as if she were so much snot. I felt sorry for her, but it was either her or me! Unaware of my predicament, Jorge and Grandma had a little trouble at first understanding why I had suddenly started pacing vigorously back and forth as I launched into the most proverbial cursing-a-blue-streak that they'd ever heard from me. It only took a few minutes before I calmed down enough to explain to them what had happened. My grandmother was a remakable woman. At a time when most women did not even work outside the home, she had already spent 35 years in business for herself. She retired from beekeeping, but before that she had engaged in a number of other businesses. I will always remember her as a liberated woman, years ahead of her time. Maybe I'll post some more remembrances another day. But now, it's _breaktime_! Rich -- -- Rich Brown, Programmer, Computing & Communications National Center for Supercomputing Applications University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf Mon Apr 18 09:26:06 EDT 1994 Article: 4 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grandma Kept Bees Date: 14 Apr 1994 23:53:50 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2okl2e$q6e@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1994Apr14.221854.25726@ncsa.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Thanks, your story removed me from my long day...and out to the bee-yard. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf Mon Apr 18 09:26:07 EDT 1994 Article: 5 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 1994 00:20:08 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 10 Message-ID: <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] I think Mr. Rick Hough is working on a FAQ. rshough@tasc.com He might need some help/suggestions. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:26:09 EDT 1994 Article: 6 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!not-for-mail From: nhirsch@panix.com (Norman Hirsch) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grandma Kept Bees Date: 14 Apr 1994 21:24:01 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2okqbh$mkd@panix.com> References: <1994Apr14.221854.25726@ncsa.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com nice article. I'm an ex-beekeeper now living in New York City. I'd be interested in hearing about anyone keeping bees in a big city. Best regards, Norman Hirsch From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!usenet Mon Apr 18 09:26:10 EDT 1994 Article: 7 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!usenet From: strow@umbc.edu (L. Larrabee Strow) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Tree Date: 15 Apr 1994 01:57:09 GMT Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County Lines: 15 Sender: umbc7 Message-ID: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: turnip.umbc.edu X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0.1b19@turnip.umbc.edu X-Authenticated: umbc7 on Unix host umbc7.umbc.edu After having at least one hive for about 12 years I lost my bees to thoractic mites 2 years ago. Since I have my own business, 2 small kids,too many gardens etc. ,I have not had time to get it together for another hive. I have been lamenting that I have no bees on the property and since I was the only beekeeper in the neighborhood I really felt the loss. I was so excited to see that we have a real bee tree down near our creek. It seems very active and they are about15 feet up going in under a dead branch. I love having them even if I never harvest . Has anyone had a long time bee tree? Was it a stable hive ? I'd love more info.and or stories. Thank you and I know I have so much to learn. Van Wensil From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!ctc.com!news.cs.umb.edu!hsdndev!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!saturn.caps.maine.edu!maine.maine.edu!meljohn Mon Apr 18 09:26:12 EDT 1994 Article: 8 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!ctc.com!news.cs.umb.edu!hsdndev!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!saturn.caps.maine.edu!maine.maine.edu!meljohn Organization: University of Maine System Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 19:33:51 EDT From: Message-ID: <94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for books References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> Lines: 19 The books are: Aebi, Ormond and Harry. The Art and Adventure of Beekeeping. Santa Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1975. (Reprint: Emmaus, Pa.: Rodale Press, 1983.) Aebi, Ormond and Harry. Mastering the Art of Beekeeping. Santa Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1979. They are out of print. If you want copies of them, do the following: a) Contact a local used book dealer and ask her to do a search for you. It'll cost you a buck or so and you might get lucky. Or, b) Go to your local library with the info above and ask them to get them for y you on inter-library loan. Once you have your hands on them I'm sure you can f figure what to do! BTW, I thought this was SCI.agriculture.beekeeping and already ART is rearing its ugly head! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng Mon Apr 18 09:26:13 EDT 1994 Article: 9 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 1994 03:11:22 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Lines: 20 Message-ID: <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu In article <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Adam Finkelstein wrote: > I think Mr. Rick Hough is working on a FAQ. >rshough@tasc.com >He might need some help/suggestions. > >Adam Perhaps Tom Sanford (U. of Florida) and Eric Mussen (UC Davis) can be persuaded to post their respective newsletters on this group. Any beekeepers in the Chicago area who will let me at their drones?!! Cheers! Paul -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 Ward Bldg. Box 213 Chicago, IL 60611 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!ddsw1!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:26:14 EDT 1994 Article: 10 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: justice@MCS.COM (Michael Justice) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What to do about mites? (was Re: Bee Tree) Date: 15 Apr 1994 00:07:45 -0500 Organization: MCSNet Subscriber, Chicago, IL Lines: 18 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2ol7f1$sav@genesis.MCS.COM> References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: genesis.mcs.com In article <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> strow@umbc.edu (L. Larrabee Strow) writes: > After having at least one hive for about 12 years I lost my bees to >thoractic mites 2 years ago. What can small beekeepers do about mites, and does anyone know how they get spread?? Both of the beekeepers I know have lost all their hives (four for one, six for the other) to the evil little buggers. This was years ago, about the time that the mites started making headlines. I read somewhere that placing blocks coated with menthol in the hives can kill the mites, but will also ruin the honey. -- Michael. -- Michael A. Justice \ "Bizarre diseases will continue to spawn in the justice@genesis.mcs.com) developing countries. We're all hoping for one NRA Life / ILA / TCA / that kills only lawyers." -- P.J. O'Rourke Libertarian Party / PGP PUBLIC KEY: finger -l justice@genesis.mcs.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!rah Mon Apr 18 09:26:15 EDT 1994 Article: 11 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!rah From: rah@netcom.com (Richard Hyde) Subject: Re: Looking for books Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 05:25:11 GMT Lines: 15 Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate (fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov) wrote: : I'm trying to locate the books by the Aebi's. The first is called : "Mastering the Art of Beekeeping;" I can't recall the name of the : second. As far as I know, the Aebi's still live in Santa Cruz, CA. You might try calling them. I really enjoyed those books, but looking at my shelf I seem to have misplaced mine :-( Rick -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Richard Hyde | RaH@netcom.com | This space intentionally left blank | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:26:16 EDT 1994 Article: 12 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: matchstic@aol.com (Matchstic) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for books Date: 15 Apr 1994 01:11:08 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2ol7lc$shm@search01.news.aol.com> References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com In article <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov>, fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov (Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate) writes: Try Wicwas Press They have a great list both of current books in print and an equally neat list of older and antique books. 1-203-250-7575 Hope this helps mike vincent matchstic@aol.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:26:18 EDT 1994 Article: 13 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: matchstic@aol.com (Matchstic) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newsletter swap Date: 15 Apr 1994 01:14:05 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 6 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2ol7qt$sic@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com Im looking for Bee associations around the world to swap newsletters with. I'm the editor of my local hobbiest group's newsletter. It comes out monthly ,usually 4 pages. Any takers? mike vincent matchstic@aol.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!tudelft.nl!et.tudelft.nl!ddtc.et.tudelft.nl!wekken Mon Apr 18 09:26:20 EDT 1994 Article: 14 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!tudelft.nl!et.tudelft.nl!ddtc.et.tudelft.nl!wekken Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Allergic reaction Message-ID: <1994Apr15.110622.3121@et.tudelft.nl> From: wekken@ddtc.et.tudelft.nl (Peter van der Wekken) Date: 15 Apr 94 11:06:21 +0200 Distribution: world Nntp-Posting-Host: ddtc.et.tudelft.nl Lines: 12 Hi beekeepers, Does anyone know of a cure and/or medication against allergic reactions from a bee-sting. -- Peter van der Wekken Delft University of Technology Phone: +31 15 781708 Department of Electrical Engineering Telefax: +31 15 623271 DIMES Design and Test Centre, 16th floor Mekelweg 4, Delft 2628 CD The Netherlands From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!cs.uiuc.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!lhc!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER Mon Apr 18 09:26:21 EDT 1994 Article: 15 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!cs.uiuc.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!lhc!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER From: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov (Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate) Subject: Looking for books Message-ID: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Reply-To: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov Organization: DCRT, NIH, Bethesda, MD Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 18:39:55 GMT Lines: 14 I'm trying to locate the books by the Aebi's. The first is called "Mastering the Art of Beekeeping;" I can't recall the name of the second. Border's bookstore here doesn't have them listed, and so I suspect that they're out of print. Does anyone know where I might locate a copy, or perhaps write to a publisher for a stock copy (or at worst, copy permission, on the off-chance that I could ever find a library copy of one)? --------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Tate | "So he dropped the heart - MSD, Inc. | the floor's clean." fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov | - Sidney Harris From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf Mon Apr 18 09:26:25 EDT 1994 Article: 16 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for books Date: 15 Apr 1994 10:32:05 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 11 Message-ID: <2olqf5$kt4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> <94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] : BTW, I thought this was SCI.agriculture.beekeeping and already ART is rearing : its ugly head! AGRICULTURE takes the ART part, for agriculture is truly a blending between art and science! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!ll.mit.edu!jfinn Mon Apr 18 09:26:28 EDT 1994 Article: 17 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!ll.mit.edu!jfinn From: jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) Subject: How much time ? Message-ID: <1994Apr15.102013.7264@ll.mit.edu> Originator: jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) Sender: news@ll.mit.edu Reply-To: jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 10:20:13 GMT Lines: 18 I'm happy to see this new group. I don't keep bees but have been interested and toying with the idea for years. I live on a 5 acre piece of land that is mostly a grassy field with scattered trees. I'm going to be planting a dozen fruit trees next week and I'm giving serious though to starting some hives. My question is this: How much time can I expect to be spending maintaining a few hives ? Do I have to work at them every day, every few days, etc ? Also, how much honey can I expect to get from a few hives ? Thanks for any help. Joe jfinn@ll.mit.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 Mon Apr 18 09:26:31 EDT 1994 Article: 18 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 94 06:56:35 EST Organization: University of Scranton Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1994Apr15.065635.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> References: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.cs.uofs.edu In article <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu>, pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) writes: > > Any beekeepers in the Chicago area who will let me at their drones?!! HEY! Take it to alt.sex, buddy! Boy Start a nice little group about beekeeping and all the sickos show up...SHEESH! 8-} ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | Where a social revolution is pending and, University Of Scranton | for whatever reason, is not accomplished, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | reaction is the alternative. ddc1@SCRANTON | -Daniel De Leon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!roentgen.demon.co.uk!david Mon Apr 18 09:26:34 EDT 1994 Article: 19 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: david@roentgen.demon.co.uk (Dr David Lauckner) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!roentgen.demon.co.uk!david Subject: Re: Allergic reaction Organization: Wansbeck Radiology Department X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 References: <1994Apr15.110622.3121@et.tudelft.nl> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 13:08:52 +0000 Message-ID: Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Lines: 35 wekken@ddtc.et.tudelft.nl (Peter van der Wekken) writes: : Hi beekeepers, : : Does anyone know of a cure and/or medication against allergic reactions : from a bee-sting. : I used to suffer for a few days after a bee sting; painful itching in an area 5-10 cms across around the sting point. Perhaps the most annoying part was the sensitivity in this area which would flare up again with minimal provocation. After 4 days or so it would have settled completely. I felt that an antihistamine might help in moderating the primary response and decresing the sensitivity to recurrent itching over the following days. The newer antihistamines have a rapid onset of action and much less sedative side effect; additionally they are now available over the counter from pharmacies. What I do is to take a tablet with me to the hives and take it (slip it up under my veil) as soon as I feel a sting. This takes a matter of a few seconds. I do not generally take one before going to the hives although this would be quite reasonable. (but more expensive!) Since adopting this policy I have found that I am happier when in among the bees, and if I do get a sting I don't have the after effects. Drugs used: Terfenadine, Cetirizine Disclaimer: This is not necessarily sound medical advice; it is just what I have found to be useful as a beekeeper. -- Dr David Lauckner Phone: 0670-521212 Wansbeck General Hospital Fax: 0670-529778 ASHINGTON, Northumberland e-mail: david@roentgen.demon.co.uk United Kingdom. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!csc.canberra.edu.au!student!u914097 Mon Apr 18 09:26:35 EDT 1994 Article: 20 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!csc.canberra.edu.au!student!u914097 From: u914097@student.canberra.edu.au (Feldman / Mark Jeffrey (ISE)) Subject: Is anyone working on a FAQ? Message-ID: <1994Apr15.152330.738@csc.canberra.edu.au> Sender: news@csc.canberra.edu.au Nntp-Posting-Host: student.canberra.edu.au Organization: University of Canberra Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 15:23:30 GMT Lines: 13 Subject line says it all! Anyone working on a FAQ to answer things like: I wanna start my very own hive, how do I do this? How much will a setup cost? How much honey will I get? But won't I get stung????? etc... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Feldman \\_==_o Skydivers do E-mail : u914097@student.canberra.edu.au \\ it at 120mph.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!apollo1.cacd.rockwell.com!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vincent2.iastate.edu!adwright Mon Apr 18 09:26:39 EDT 1994 Article: 21 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!apollo1.cacd.rockwell.com!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vincent2.iastate.edu!adwright From: adwright@iastate.edu () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WHy did my bees die this winter? Date: 15 Apr 94 15:26:36 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Lines: 32 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: vincent2.iastate.edu This is my first hive. Things seemed to be ok. I had the varora mite strips in there and put on menthol in the fall for tracheal mites. The -23 F lows concerned me, but two days after that i put my ear to the hive and heard a lot of buzzing. We had another cold snap but i could still hear the buzzing, but this time could see a lot of dead beed that were thrown out by their live brethern. I checked a week later and all were dead. I opened the hive to find several full combs of capped honey in places yet all were dead. The thing that seemed wierd was many of them were dead right on the comb with their heads inside the cells. Many more were on the baseboard. They were not any funny looking color, they looked like bees do whern alive, so i guess that rules out chalkbrood and foulbrood. Some were so intact looking sitting on the combs that if i photographed them it would appear that i had photographed live bees. Know what I mean? I tried to find the queen but could not, though its very possible i overlooked her. Does the fact that bees were found (dead) in several places in the hive might mean she died and they were scattered? Any clues as to what happened? I had not given them any antibiotics, is that a mistake? I fed them all summer and took no honey since i wanted them to be strong for the next year. It is a big disappointment. Hope someone can help me figure what i did wrong. Many thanks Allen -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:26:41 EDT 1994 Article: 22 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail From: edbu@sepia.wv.tek.com (Ed Burress) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A lesson for us all Date: 15 Apr 1994 08:54:20 -0700 Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <2omdbcINN43g@sepia.wv.tek.com> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sepia.wv.tek.com In article <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dbush@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Bush) writes: >swig of water through my veil. One sneaky devil got me on the upper lip. David, I have found that a sports-type squeeze bottle works well for this application. It can be a little messy at first, but with practice works well. Never had one on the upper lip, Ouch! On an unrelated note, has anyone heard of mites invading and destroying hives? My mother who lives in the mid Willamette valley says that her hives, as well as the neighbors (a large honey producer in the area) lost all of his hives. Apparently, these mites have been responsible for destruction of quite a few hives in Oregon and southern Washington. She just replaced her bees with a new shipment that is supposed to be more resistant to the mites. Anybody else heard of these, or lost any hives as a result? -Ed From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.amherst.edu!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:26:43 EDT 1994 Article: 23 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.amherst.edu!not-for-mail From: nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu (Neil Bernstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Vergil's Fourth Georgic Date: 15 Apr 1994 12:08:47 -0400 Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA, USA Lines: 7 Message-ID: <2ome6f$9jb@amhux3.amherst.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Would anyone like to discuss Vergil's Fourth Georgic (the book on bees)? I'll post more when I've finished it... - Neil Bernstein -- nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu, lentus in umbra | nudus ara, sere nudus... in omnibus requiem quaesivi, et nusquam inveni nisi in angulo cum libro From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:26:44 EDT 1994 Article: 24 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail From: weedk@salmon.wv.tek.com (Kirk A Weedman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Date: 15 Apr 1994 10:09:27 -0700 Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <2omho7INNfcb@salmon.wv.tek.com> References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: salmon.wv.tek.com I'm planting a few acres of fruit trees this year and would like to have some bees. I'm sure the other farmers around me would like it too. So what would I need to start a beehive and how many bees/acre of apple trees would I need? If X is the amount then would 2X or more be better or matter since there are hundreds of acres of farming around me? Kirk weedk@salmon.wv.tek.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Mon Apr 18 09:26:46 EDT 1994 Article: 25 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do about mites? (was Re: Bee Tree) Date: 15 Apr 1994 16:23:49 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 9 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2omf2l$869@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> <2ol7f1$sav@genesis.MCS.COM> Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] i lost my single hive to varroa last season. i'll be replacing it with two more. i'm told that you must use varroa strips and remove them well before harvesting. maybe someone else has had experience with the strips. btw, i'm in southern california. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Mon Apr 18 09:26:48 EDT 1994 Article: 26 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A lesson for us all Date: 15 Apr 1994 17:31:48 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 21 Message-ID: <2omj24$bt9@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <2omdbcINN43g@sepia.wv.tek.com> Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Ed Burress (edbu@sepia.wv.tek.com) wrote: [much deleted . . .] : On an unrelated note, has anyone heard of mites invading and destroying hives? : My mother who lives in the mid Willamette valley says that her hives, as well : as the neighbors (a large honey producer in the area) lost all of his hives. : Apparently, these mites have been responsible for destruction of quite a few : hives in Oregon and southern Washington. She just replaced her bees with a : new shipment that is supposed to be more resistant to the mites. Anybody else : heard of these, or lost any hives as a result? [more deletions . . .] as i said elsewhere, i lost my only hive to mites . . . the bees abscond, leaving an incredibly clean hive behind! mites are becoming endemic in the u.s., i guess. there are medicated varroa strips that you can use, but you must remove the strips some considerable time before harvesting honey. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Mon Apr 18 09:26:50 EDT 1994 Article: 27 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 1994 17:43:20 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2omjnp$38s@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com This newsgroup is great! Anyone know where I can get one of Dadant's out-of-print books on Bees and The Law? It was written by someone in Virginia. Also, I have postscript files of 4 articles that I published in ABJ last year on Beekeeping Business plans, finance applied to bee operations and one that I did on analyzing the affect of imported honey. Will internet handle postscript docs? David MacFawn Master Beekeeper Raleigh, North Carolina From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!crash!donb Mon Apr 18 09:26:53 EDT 1994 Article: 28 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!crash!donb From: donb@crash.cts.com (Donald Bowen) Subject: Bees and supers wanted Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET/crash), San Diego, CA Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 14:38:43 GMT Message-ID: Sender: news@crash.cts.com (news subsystem) Nntp-Posting-Host: crash.cts.com Lines: 4 I am looking for some bees for sale in Souhern California. A friend is looking for some supers. DonB From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER Mon Apr 18 09:26:55 EDT 1994 Article: 29 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER From: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov (Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate) Subject: Re: Looking for books Message-ID: <1994Apr15.142115.20369@alw.nih.gov> Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Reply-To: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov Organization: DCRT, NIH, Bethesda, MD References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov>,<94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 14:21:15 GMT Lines: 31 In article <94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, writes: >The books are: > > Aebi, Ormond and Harry. The Art and Adventure of Beekeeping. > Santa Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1975. (Reprint: Emmaus, Pa.: > Rodale Press, 1983.) > > Aebi, Ormond and Harry. Mastering the Art of Beekeeping. Santa > Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1979. > > [... deletions ...] > >BTW, I thought this was SCI.agriculture.beekeeping and already ART is rearing >its ugly head! No smiley? I'll take this as it stands, then.... I *believe* the Aebis hold the record for the most honey taken from a single hive in a single (season? visit?). On that strength alone I'd say their books deserve a serious look by any serious beekeeping aficionado. >From an outside reference to the books, I gather that they also didn't use much in the way of protective garb, smoke, &c., so I'm curious as to their approach. (I'll forbear from an argument about whether or not it is desirable or even possible to divorce science and art. :-) --------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Tate | "So he dropped the heart - MSD, Inc. | the floor's clean." fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov | - Sidney Harris From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Mon Apr 18 09:26:57 EDT 1994 Article: 30 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do about mites? (was Re: Bee Tree) Date: 15 Apr 1994 17:57:45 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2omkip$38s@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: <2ol7f1$sav@genesis.MCS.COM> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com > After having at least one hive for about 12 years I lost my bees to >thoractic mites 2 years ago. >What can small beekeepers do about mites, and does anyone know how they >get spread?? Both of the beekeepers I know have lost all their hives >(four for one, six for the other) to the evil little buggers. This was >years ago, about the time that the mites started making headlines. >I read somewhere that placing blocks coated with menthol in the hives >can kill the mites, but will also ruin the honey. It depends on what type of mites your a speaking about. For Tracheal mites, menthol works if the temperature is warm. A lot of the bees today are just now starting to development some resistance to Tracheal mites. During the last several years we have had a high hive mortality due to this mite but, the mites killed their hosts which ment they also died. In nature for the mite to survive, the host or bee must also survive and not bee killed. So, we are starting to see some resistance to the Tracheal mite. Vegetable Shorting / sugar patties are also showing promise for controlling Tracheal, there was another article in either ABJ or Bee Culture on vegetable shorting patties this month. Varroa mite is another story. You need to use Apistan strips in the hive and not use the strips approx 6 weeks before or during the honey flow. The strips should be left on 4-6 weeks, I can remember which, but read and follow the label directions. Make sure that you do not leave the strips on longer, since this is a pesticide and the Varrora may very well develop resistance to the Apistan. There already have been some reports of resistance to Apistan. We did have Miticur but it was recalled last year d ue to a law suit. The African bee is supposely resistant to both Tracheal and Varroa mites...maybe we can cross breed the littel devil. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Mon Apr 18 09:26:58 EDT 1994 Article: 31 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and supers wanted Date: 15 Apr 1994 19:14:26 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 16 Message-ID: <2omp2i$bt9@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Donald Bowen (donb@crash.cts.com) wrote: : I am looking for some bees for sale in Souhern California. : A friend is looking for some supers. : DonB don - i'm getting two nuks from a fellow at l.a. honey. his name is chase walker and the number is 213-264-2383 . . . this will be the first time i get my bees from him, so i don't have any history to impart. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark Mon Apr 18 09:26:59 EDT 1994 Article: 32 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark From: mark@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (M.C. Rendina ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mites Date: 15 Apr 1994 19:55:20 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 18 Message-ID: <2omrf8$op3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <2omdbcINN43g@sepia.wv.tek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu edbu@sepia.wv.tek.com (Ed Burress) writes: >In article <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dbush@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Bush) >On an unrelated note, has anyone heard of mites invading and destroying hives? >My mother who lives in the mid Willamette valley says that her hives, as well >as the neighbors (a large honey producer in the area) lost all of his hives. >Apparently, these mites have been responsible for destruction of quite a few >hives in Oregon and southern Washington. She just replaced her bees with a >new shipment that is supposed to be more resistant to the mites. Anybody else >heard of these, or lost any hives as a result? Yep. Lost all three. Mites are everywhere. (I assume we're talking about the same tracheal mite?) In the Midwest, the bees live fine thru the summer (their life expectancy is shorter than it takes for the mites to kill them) but in the winter, the hive dies. A real bummer. I'd never lost a colony in the winter before. Ouch. Mark From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark Mon Apr 18 09:27:00 EDT 1994 Article: 33 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark From: mark@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (M.C. Rendina ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much time ? Date: 15 Apr 1994 20:04:10 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 37 Message-ID: <2omrvq$q6a@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1994Apr15.102013.7264@ll.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) writes: >I'm happy to see this new group. I don't keep bees >but have been interested and toying with the idea for >years. I'm happy to see it to. I got interested in bees when I saw a show on T.V. and then in junior high, I needed to build something in industrial arts! What a perfect combo! >I live on a 5 acre piece of land that is mostly >a grassy field with scattered trees. I'm going to be >planting a dozen fruit trees next week and I'm giving >serious though to starting some hives. My question >is this: How much time can I expect to be spending >maintaining a few hives ? When I asked this question as a young-un, a wise man reminded me that bees have lived for millions of years without us. >Do I have to work at them every day, every few days, etc ? If you're touching thme more than once a week, you're getting in their way. When I went away to college, my bees did just fine without me. I had to make sure the hive was the right size (mostly a spring-fall job), harvest the honey, and that's about it. >Also, how much honey can I expect to get from a few hives ? Anywhere from zip to (what's the record?) I think it was over 400 pounds. 50-100 is probably typical, but that's my midwestern hives. ===================================================================== Mark Rendina o ___ __ jedi@uiuc.edu __/\o_ __o < \ | | \ | University of Illinois _ \<_ _/\ | |_/ | (_)/(_) / Just | | \ | From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks Mon Apr 18 09:27:02 EDT 1994 Article: 34 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Distance between hives Date: 15 Apr 1994 22:15:14 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 12 Message-ID: <2on3li$rc6@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Howdy all, I've been lurking on BEE-L for a while now, awaiting the big day, which is today: as I type I've got two 3 lbs packages of bees buzzing at me from across the room. Needless to say I'm excited. Question that I can't find the answer to in any of the books I've got: How far apart should hives bee (min. and max.)? Does it even matter? Thanks, Jordan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!clstac!pwtokar Mon Apr 18 09:27:05 EDT 1994 Article: 35 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!clstac!pwtokar From: pwtokar@csupomona.edu (Patrick Tokar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: How much time? Date: 15 Apr 94 15:30:21 PST Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1994Apr15.153021.1@clstac> NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsb.is.csupomona.edu Really once a week is enough. Basically you just have to watch that there are no new queen cells (and if so why?) and check for disease and mites. Acarapis woodi and varroa jacobsoni are the only two mites you have to look out for. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cholley Mon Apr 18 09:27:06 EDT 1994 Article: 36 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cholley From: cholley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Catherine T Holley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help,please! Date: 16 Apr 1994 00:06:32 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <2ona68$n1n@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu I hope that this group will be able to help us out on a problem. If I'm in the wrong place, then just ignore this post. 3-4 years ago, a swarm of honey bees moved into the cinder blocks that make up our chimney. They're not in the chimney pipe, just the "honeycomb" that the cinderblocks form. Every few days one of the bees gets lost and works its way into the house, not really a problem for us, but deadly for the bee since they can't get out or get back into the hive. How do we get them out of the chimney without tearing it down? I don't want to destroy an entire hive of bees; something seems very criminal in this. I just want them out of the block. We live in a log cabin and I'm afraid that the honey will draw other unwanted guests that might find the logs an excellent home or an excellent addition to a meal. Any suggestions? Cathy Holley cholley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!erg.sri.com!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!bank.ecn.purdue.edu!mbrockma Mon Apr 18 09:27:08 EDT 1994 Article: 37 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!erg.sri.com!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!bank.ecn.purdue.edu!mbrockma From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman) Subject: Bumble vs. Honey Message-ID: Sender: news@noose.ecn.purdue.edu (USENET news) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 01:23:05 GMT Lines: 13 Can someone tell me (e-mail preferred) the difference between a Bumble Bee and a normal Honey bee and any other major types of bees? Thanks, =============================================================================== Matt Brockman mbrockma@ecn.purdue.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "While a llama may produce some of the world's finest of wools, prized around the world, their breath, on the other hand, could only be prized somewhere in the far reaches of llama hell." =============================================================================== From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!blanket.mitre.org!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks Mon Apr 18 09:27:11 EDT 1994 Article: 38 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!blanket.mitre.org!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Questions from a beginner Date: 16 Apr 1994 03:58:24 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 28 Message-ID: <2onnp0$4ic@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Well, I put my two packages in their hives today, so I am now officially an apiarist. Many questions already, though, that hopefully some kind and knowledgeable soul will take a moment or two to answer: 1) My bees have found a knothole at the top and are going in and out of it, basically ignoring the more traditional (although slightly blocked by one of those wooden hole-maker-smaller-things) entrance at the bottom. Question is: is this a problem? Will they find the regular hole? Should I plug the knothole? 2) When I shook in my package, I was unable to get out a good 1/3 of them. All the books I read just said "some" would remain. Question is: does "some" = 1/3? Is this a problem? 3) Are there any organic approaches to disease control (Nosema, Foulbrood, mites, etc.)? I hate the idea of taking something as beautiful and natural as honey and fouling it with chemicals. Is there something I can plant in my garden? Some herb to cook in with the sugar syrup? Anyone doing research on this? 4) How many quart jars should I have at a time for a top feeder? There are slots for four, but is this necessary/recommended? How often should I refill them? As often as they're empty? The books I have seem to skip over these questions, so I'm hoping the vast world of the net will be able to help. Thanks in advance... Jordan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!sarah!rpi!steel.arch.rpi.edu!mulder Mon Apr 18 09:27:13 EDT 1994 Article: 39 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!sarah!rpi!steel.arch.rpi.edu!mulder From: mulder@steel.arch.rpi.edu (Maarten M Mulder) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WHy did my bees die this winter? Date: 16 Apr 1994 06:17:40 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY. Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2onvu4$2ud@usenet.rpi.edu> References: Reply-To: mulder@rpi.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: steel.arch.rpi.edu In article , adwright@iastate.edu () writes: |> This is my first hive. Things seemed to be ok. I had the varora mite |> strips in there and put on menthol in the fall for tracheal mites. The |> -23 F lows concerned me, but two days after that i put my ear to the hive and |> heard a lot of buzzing. We had another cold snap but i could still hear |> the buzzing, but this time could see a lot of dead beed that were thrown |> out by their live brethern. I checked a week later and all were dead. |> I opened the hive to find several full combs of capped honey in places yet |> all were dead. The thing that seemed wierd was many of them were dead |> right on the comb with their heads inside the cells. Many more were on |> the baseboard. |> They were not any funny looking color, they looked like bees do whern alive, |> so i guess that rules out chalkbrood and foulbrood. Some were so intact |> looking sitting on the combs that if i photographed them it would appear that |> i had photographed live bees. Know what I mean? |> |> I tried to find the queen but could not, though its very possible i |> overlooked her. Does the fact that bees were found (dead) in several places in |> the hive might mean she died and they were scattered? Any clues as to what |> happened? I had not given them any antibiotics, is that a mistake? |> |> I fed them all summer and took no honey since i wanted them to be strong |> for the next year. It is a big disappointment. Hope someone can help |> me figure what i did wrong. |> |> Many thanks |> Allen |> |> I don't know if this is relative, but last summer (September I think) my father treated his hives (2) on the advice of the Mass. State Bee Inspector. I think he used menthol. The hives promptly swarmed, the swarms disappeared, and he was left with weakened hives, neither of which made it through the winter. It was unfortunate, since these were both docile hives that produced a lot of honey. Oh well. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!udel!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!csugrad.cs.vt.edu!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:27:14 EDT 1994 Article: 40 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!udel!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!csugrad.cs.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: dbush@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Bush) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A lesson for us all Date: 14 Apr 1994 16:26:46 -0400 Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 7 Message-ID: <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu I was working as an apprentice one summer a few years back. Went to take a swig of water through my veil. One sneaky devil got me on the upper lip. My co-workers thought I looked just swell, ha ha ha. So watch out for the sneaky ones! If this message serves to save one person's lips it will not have been in vain. :(() David From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks Mon Apr 18 09:27:16 EDT 1994 Article: 41 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Addicted to Meds? Date: 17 Apr 1994 01:34:09 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 11 Message-ID: <2oq3mh$m71@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu The talk last night at my local Beekeepers meeting was on diseases, always a timely topic I take it (say _that_ ten times fast). The speaker talked about the fact that once you started your hives on some sort of drug or chemical to control a disease, you were basically committed to keeping them on it forever. My question (which, being a neophyte I was too embarrassed to ask) is: is this true? Why? In the modern age, do I have any hope of keeping my hives drug-free (and healthy)? Thanks, Jordan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!gatech!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:27:22 EDT 1994 Article: 42 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!gatech!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: matchstic@aol.com (Matchstic) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bad Bee Day Date: 16 Apr 1994 20:27:02 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 17 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2opvom$a7i@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com AArrrggghhh!!! what a bummer of a day I've been spending the last 3 weeks putting together a budding sideline business (catching swarms etc), caught 19 swarms, been feeding the hell out of them) went out to check all my hives today. First the hive that was going good guns(one of two I overwintered) has swarmed, and of course had no dadgummed honey then when I checked the other hives two of my swarms had left for other pastures(stupid bees) so excuse my grumping but I did get to watch a new bee chewing its way out of the comb and stagger off to work! seeya Mike matchstic@aol.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!world!moroney Mon Apr 18 09:27:27 EDT 1994 Article: 43 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: WHy did my bees die this winter? Message-ID: Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: X-Status: R Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 01:05:57 GMT Lines: 54 In article , adwright@iastate.ed wrote: > This is my first hive. Things seemed to be ok. I had the varora mite > strips in there and put on menthol in the fall for tracheal mites. The > -23 F lows concerned me, but two days after that i put my ear to the hive and > heard a lot of buzzing. We had another cold snap but i could still hear > the buzzing, but this time could see a lot of dead beed that were thrown > out by their live brethern. I checked a week later and all were dead. I too am an amateur (2 hives, last year was my first year with bees), but I've studied a fair amount. Most hives that die in the winter die within sight of spring. Supposedly the reason is they're raising brood (did you see any brood?) and they have to keep it warm, so they need more food and also can't (won't) move away from the brood to find it. So they starve within inches of food. > I opened the hive to find several full combs of capped honey in places yet > all were dead. The thing that seemed wierd was many of them were dead > right on the comb with their heads inside the cells. Many more were on > the baseboard. I believe dead bees head-in in cells is a sign they starved. See above I guess. > I tried to find the queen but could not, though its very possible i > overlooked her. Does the fact that bees were found (dead) in several places in > the hive might mean she died and they were scattered? Any clues as to what > happened? I had not given them any antibiotics, is that a mistake? Maybe they scattered in search of food and a cold snap prevented them from reuniting. In one of my hives there was a small dead cluster separate from the main cluster (which survived). > I fed them all summer and took no honey since i wanted them to be strong > for the next year. It is a big disappointment. Hope someone can help > me figure what i did wrong. They should have had plenty of food. I can only guess they got separated from it. Were the bees all away from the remaining honey? My hives were each one hive body and a honey super. We had one day in Feb or early March that was warm enough so I could open the hives to see how they were doing. (I know I'm supposed to leave them alone) Both hives the bees had moved "upstairs" into the honey super and pretty much abandoned the hive body, even though the lower 2/3s of the hive body was still mostly full of honey and pollen. The honey super was almost out of honey. So I moved the empty frames in the hive body to the outsides and reversed the boxes (honey super with bees on the bottom), so the bees instinct to move up in the winter will cause them to run into food. Both hives survived. One is building up really well and already has lots of bees even though when I opened them I worried if there was enough bees to survive (it had almost 2 inches of dead bees on the bottom board - yech!) -Mike From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!world!moroney Mon Apr 18 09:27:29 EDT 1994 Article: 44 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: WHy did my bees die this winter? Message-ID: Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <2onvu4$2ud@usenet.rpi.edu> X-Status: R Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 01:46:14 GMT Lines: 16 In article <2onvu4$2ud@usenet.rpi.edu>, Maarten M Mulder wrote: > I don't know if this is relative, but last summer (September I think) my > father treated his hives (2) on the advice of the Mass. State Bee Inspector. > I think he used menthol. The hives promptly swarmed, the swarms disappeared, > and he was left with weak (you may want to add returns once in a while. Your reply was one long line and my editor lost the end of the line) If you have 2 weak hives at the end of the season it's best to combine them into one stronger hive. Better to lose one nice hive than both. I had 2 hives and at the end of the season one was weak and the other was very strong. I felt it was strong enough so I transferred bees from the strong hive to the weak. Both survived. -Mike From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf Mon Apr 18 09:27:32 EDT 1994 Article: 45 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Welcome All! Date: 14 Apr 1994 19:26:53 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu To all people interested in bees, beekeeping and hive products: Please use this group! Its for you. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng Mon Apr 18 09:27:33 EDT 1994 Article: 46 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergic reaction Date: 18 Apr 1994 01:59:20 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Lines: 29 Message-ID: <2ospho$3k9@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <1994Apr15.110622.3121@et.tudelft.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu In article <1994Apr15.110622.3121@et.tudelft.nl>, Peter van der Wekken wrote: >Does anyone know of a cure and/or medication against allergic reactions >from a bee-sting. Persons with systemic reactions to beestings should be aware of the possibility of going into anaphylactic shock (difficulty breathing, low blood pressure, coma), which could lead to death. If you know you are allergic, it is best to keep a sting kit (epinephrine) with you if there is a chance of you getting stung. The mellitin, phospholipases, and other peptides in the venom elicit production of IgE antibodies. IgE-allergen causes mast cells to release histamine, and massive amounts of histamine released produces the bronchospasms, hypotension, etc. The cure that I'm aware of is immunotherapy. In order to "desensitize" your immune system, purified venom is given in small doses over a period of time to get your body to produce IgGs instead of IgEs. If you only get localized inflammation after a sting, then some antihistamine (benadryl, seldane, hismanal, etc.) and anti-itch creams (caladryl) will help. Regards, Paul -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 Ward Bldg. Box 213 Chicago, IL 60611 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng Mon Apr 18 09:27:34 EDT 1994 Article: 47 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 18 Apr 1994 02:15:27 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Lines: 25 Message-ID: <2osqfv$3tb@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> <1994Apr15.065635.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu In article <1994Apr15.065635.1@jaguar.uofs.edu>, Dave Cawley wrote: > (I write:) >> Any beekeepers in the Chicago area who will let me at their drones?!! > > HEY! Take it to alt.sex, buddy! Boy Start a nice little group about >beekeeping and all the sickos show up...SHEESH! 8-} One of the most common questions I get from my friends is how I actually collect bee sperm. I guess that makes me kinda weird to know how to do it (but then again, have you ever known a "normal" graduate student?). The undergraduates in our lab at Davis always seemed so enthusiastic (note: hint of sarcasm) when bee sperm collection days rolled around... Speaking of which, does anyone know how to get the smell of drone feces off of one's hands? I've tried all of the consumer soaps, comet, etc., but the darned smell is harder to get off than even the smell of anatomy lab! Regards, Paul -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 Ward Bldg. Box 213 Chicago, IL 60611 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!superior!skanfi Mon Apr 18 09:27:36 EDT 1994 Article: 48 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!superior!skanfi From: skanfi@superior.carleton.ca (Shady Kanfi) Subject: African honey bees:How far North? Message-ID: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 02:30:20 GMT Lines: 18 Hi, Seeing this new group just prompted a question: How far North are those cross-breed African honey bees supposed to get? Just curious. -Shady -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Shady Kanfi (613) 231-2594 Norman Paterson School of International Affairs (613) 788-2600 x3926 Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada skanfi@ccs.carleton.ca "It's easier to be critical than correct" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!viewlog.viewlogic.com!przemek Mon Apr 18 09:27:37 EDT 1994 Article: 49 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!viewlog.viewlogic.com!przemek From: przemek@tokamak.viewlogic.com (Przemek Skoskiewicz) Subject: Re: Questions from a beginner Message-ID: Originator: przemek@tokamak Sender: przemek@tokamak (Przemek Skoskiewicz) Nntp-Posting-Host: tokamak Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc. References: <2onnp0$4ic@news.u.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 01:47:12 GMT Lines: 60 In article <2onnp0$4ic@news.u.washington.edu>, jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) writes: |> |> 1) My bees have found a knothole at the top and are going in and out of |> it, basically ignoring the more traditional (although slightly blocked by |> one of those wooden hole-maker-smaller-things) entrance at the bottom. |> Question is: is this a problem? Will they find the regular hole? Should |> I plug the knothole? No, it's not a problem, but keep an eye on it. Perhaps the regular entrance reducer is really blocked from the inside by something. If not, they'll get to it eventually. |> 2) When I shook in my package, I was unable to get out a good 1/3 of |> them. All the books I read just said "some" would remain. Question is: |> does "some" = 1/3? Is this a problem? Just leave them outside near the hive with the opening facing top: they'll find the hive and their queen. |> 3) Are there any organic approaches to disease control (Nosema, |> Foulbrood, mites, etc.)? I hate the idea of taking something as |> beautiful and natural as honey and fouling it with chemicals. Is there |> something I can plant in my garden? Some herb to cook in with the sugar |> syrup? Anyone doing research on this? Not that I know of. None of the things that people have mentioned before (Apistan, mentol, shortening patties and few other concoctions) is put into the honey. Directions tell you when to remove them from the hive before the honey flow starts so as to eliminate the chance of the bees contaminating the honey with the medicine. |> 4) How many quart jars should I have at a time for a top feeder? There |> are slots for four, but is this necessary/recommended? How often should |> I refill them? As often as they're empty? As long as they take it, give it to them. A freshly installed hive will undergo a drop in population for about three weeks until the new bees start to emerge from the eggs layed by the queen after the packaged bees were installed. The less time the bees have to spend getting their food and the more time they can devote getting their hive organized the better for the colony. But, when they stop taking it, no problem. They know what's best for them. |> The books I have seem to skip over these questions, so I'm hoping the |> vast world of the net will be able to help. Thanks in advance... |> |> Jordan Welcome to the art of beekeeping. I think that every beekeeper thinks that he or she knows better than any other beekeeper what's best for the bees. My own motto is to follow common sense and let the bees do their thing. I would also recommend books by Dick Bonney ("Hive Management", 1990, Garden Way Publishing). I've attended a couple of his seminars and his common sense approach to some of the most boneheaded questions that he gest from the audiences was inspiring. -- Viewlogic Systems, Inc. Przemek Skoskiewicz 293 Boston Post Road West Marlborough, MA 01752-4615, USA email: przemek@viewlogic.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!mason1.gmu.edu!rspillan Mon Apr 18 17:30:03 EDT 1994 Article: 50 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!mason1.gmu.edu!rspillan From: rspillan@mason1.gmu.edu (Ramaii Dasa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEED INFO/FAQ for BEEKEEPING Date: 14 Apr 1994 22:16:48 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2okfcg$io7@portal.gmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mason1.gmu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My site just started carrying this group, so I don't know if it is new or what, but I'm interested in keeping bees in the SE Wyoming area. I've never kept bees before, so if someone could send me the FAQ or any relevent information I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Rich (rspillan@.gmu.edu) aka-"The Easyrider of Internet" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 Mon Apr 18 17:30:07 EDT 1994 Article: 51 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergic reaction Date: 18 Apr 94 07:53:03 EST Organization: University of Scranton Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1994Apr18.075303.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> References: <1994Apr15.110622.3121@et.tudelft.nl> <2ospho$3k9@news.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.cs.uofs.edu In article <2ospho$3k9@news.acns.nwu.edu>, pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) writes: > If you only get localized inflammation after a sting, then some > antihistamine (benadryl, seldane, hismanal, etc.) and anti-itch creams > (caladryl) will help. What if you're like me and you're on seldane *all* the time, will that cause the inflamation to be lower or would I need more antihistamine than the normal person? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | Where a social revolution is pending and, University Of Scranton | for whatever reason, is not accomplished, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | reaction is the alternative. ddc1@SCRANTON | -Daniel De Leon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!wbm Mon Apr 18 17:30:09 EDT 1994 Article: 52 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!wbm From: wbm@unity.ncsu.edu (william b morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble vs. Honey Date: 18 Apr 1994 12:25:35 GMT Organization: North Carolina State University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <2otu7v$kad@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cc01du.unity.ncsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Matt Brockman (mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu) wrote: : Can someone tell me (e-mail preferred) the difference : between a Bumble Bee and a normal Honey bee and : any other major types of bees? : Thanks, This would also be welcome information to me. Please post this info or email it to me. Thanks, Bill ------------------------------------------------------------- William B. Morris (The Biker Poet) | William B. Morris Computing Center | P. O. Box 5163 Box 7109 | Raleigh,N.C. 27650-5163 North Carolina State University | Raleigh,N.C. 27695-7109 | wbm@unity.ncsu.edu | ------------------------------------------------------------- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!isuvax.iastate.edu!TNEZ3 Mon Apr 18 17:30:11 EDT 1994 Article: 53 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!isuvax.iastate.edu!TNEZ3 From: tnez3@isuvax.iastate.edu (april ammons) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 18 Apr 1994 12:44:12 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Lines: 12 Message-ID: <2otvas$6hk@news.iastate.edu> References: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> <1994Apr15.065635.1@jaguar.uofs.edu>,<2osqfv$3tb@news.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: tnez3@isuvax.iastate.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: isuvax.iastate.edu In article <2osqfv$3tb@news.acns.nwu.edu>, pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) writes: >Speaking of which, does anyone know how to get the smell of drone feces >off of one's hands? I've tried all of the consumer soaps, comet, etc., but >the darned smell is harder to get off than even the smell of anatomy lab! Have you tried any of the products available at pet stores for removing skunk scent and other odors? I've successfully used "Ryter's Odormute" to remove the smell of urine from carpet. (And no, I don't work for them.) April (who's hoping to have bees maybe next year) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!ruuinf!ruu.nl!acbhour Mon Apr 18 17:30:13 EDT 1994 Article: 54 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!ruuinf!ruu.nl!acbhour From: acbhour@phil.ruu.nl (Rudi van Houten) Subject: Re: Bumble vs. Honey Message-ID: Sender: usenet@cc.ruu.nl Organization: ACCU References: Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 13:36:28 GMT Lines: 21 In mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman) writes: >Can someone tell me (e-mail preferred) the difference >between a Bumble Bee and a normal Honey bee and >any other major types of bees? Most eye-catching difference (as I see it). Bumble bee colonies live only one year (season in fact), they don't pass the winter, and therefore they don't build a big store of food. It is that big store of food of the honey bee that makes it of value for humans. Bumble bees also have an economical value for humanity, but it is not so evident. Since bumble bees visit flowers much earlier in the year then honeybees the bumble bee is important for early crop. (I think that a long practice of "slaughtering" the heaviest hives at the end of the year has made the lazy honey bees the fittest in the struggle for life). -- Rudi van Houten Academisch Computer Centrum Utrecht / Besturings Systemen Budapestlaan 8 - 3584 CD - Utrecht - Netherlands :-) Fantasy is given mankind as retribution for what he is not, and a sense of humour to console him for what he is. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Mon Apr 18 17:30:14 EDT 1994 Article: 55 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee sting medication Date: 18 Apr 1994 14:19:29 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ou4th$950@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com >Does anyone know of a cure and/or medication against allergic reactions >from a bee-sting. Yes, Ephedrine in a shot form is what we use. The oral form such as Benadryl cannot be used after a bee sting since the air passage swells. In the US, you need to be certified to administer the ephedrine shot. After being certified by a physician, he gave me a perscription to purchase the medicine at the local pharmacist. As always consult a physician for guidance. Rgds, David MacFawn Master Beekeeper Raleigh, North Carolina From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!bnr.co.uk!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!news.oryx.com!pluto!xisrgn Mon Apr 18 17:30:16 EDT 1994 Article: 56 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!bnr.co.uk!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!news.oryx.com!pluto!xisrgn From: xisrgn@news.oryx.com (robert g nestor) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bad Bee Day Date: 18 Apr 1994 13:52:14 GMT Organization: Oryx Energy Company, Dallas, TX Lines: 20 Message-ID: <2ou3ae$gpb@lm1.oryx.com> References: <2opvom$a7i@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pluto.oryx.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Matchstic (matchstic@aol.com) wrote: : AArrrggghhh!!! : what a bummer of a day : I've been spending the last 3 weeks putting together a budding sideline : business (catching swarms etc), caught 19 swarms, been feeding the hell out of : them) went out to check all my hives today. : First the hive that was going good guns(one of two I overwintered) : has swarmed, and of course had no dadgummed honey : then when I checked the other hives two of my swarms had left for other : pastures(stupid bees) Maybe you "feed the hell out of them" too much? With my first hive I felt kind of sorry for them the first winter and fed the hell out of them too. Next spring they swarmed. I was lucky in that I got the swarm back and put up a second hive for them and they stuck around. A professional bee keeper told me that I shouldn't have feed them all winter because the hive became to crowed causing them to swarm. The next few winters I didn't feed them at all and they remained happy and stayed at home. (Oh, don't try this with cats - I stopped feeding mine and now he brings birds, mice and dead rats to my back door.) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Mon Apr 18 17:30:18 EDT 1994 Article: 57 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Distance between hives Date: 18 Apr 1994 14:41:45 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ou679$950@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com >How far apart should hives bee (min. and max.)? Does it even matter? The distance between hives and the arrangement will determine several things like drifting. Normally I like to have two hives per stand (this is for European bee, Africianized bees it is recommended to have one hive per stand), with the hives approx. 3-4 feet apart. I get landscape timbers/angle iron/steel pipes (you can purchase bee stands but I find the landscape timers are cheaper), set them on concrete blocks and set two hives on each stand, orienting each stand in a slightly different orientation to reduce drifting. When you set bees in long rows, the returning worker field bees tend to go into the end hives, resulting in a higher honey production in the end hives. Also, you want the hives to be far enough apart such that if one hive gets worked up it will not affect the other hive(s) as bad; hence the 3-4 foot distance. I also like to have room on the stand such that when I work the bees I can place the supers on the stand as I go thru the hive...I also place the telescoping lid on the ground and place the supers on the lid but sometimes this results in bees getting in the grass which means they will go up my pants legs...I know I should probably close off my pants legs but I never do. The hives should be placed in a SE orientation with a hedge or fence to block the winter Northern winds. I also like to place the hives close to a water source so they do not have to fly as far to collect water for cooling in the summer resulting in more bees allocated to collecting nector and pollen. Rgds, David MacFawn Master Beekeeper Raleigh, North Carolina From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Mon Apr 18 17:30:20 EDT 1994 Article: 58 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Tree Date: 18 Apr 1994 15:21:24 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 68 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ou8hk$950@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com In article 4ic@news.u.washington.edu, jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) writes: > Well, I put my two packages in their hives today, so I am now officially > an apiarist. Many questions already, though, that hopefully some kind > and knowledgeable soul will take a moment or two to answer: > > 1) My bees have found a knothole at the top and are going in and out of > it, basically ignoring the more traditional (although slightly blocked by > one of those wooden hole-maker-smaller-things) entrance at the bottom. > Question is: is this a problem? Will they find the regular hole? Should > I plug the knothole? You can, but not a problem either way for the bees...your preference. Part of it is where you have your hives. If it is a problem with the bees coming out of the top, then plug it. Sounds as if you have a migratory cover, rather than a telescoping cover that is covered with metal. > > 2) When I shook in my package, I was unable to get out a good 1/3 of > them. All the books I read just said "some" would remain. Question is: > does "some" = 1/3? Is this a problem? > I place the package with the remaining bees on top of an inner cover and place an empty deep super around the package. That way I know that the bees will "find" the correct hive. You have to make sure though that the queen is below in the bottom brood chamber and plenty of bees are shaken around her. You also need to have at least one drawn comb to make sure the bees will start building comb in the brood chamber and not in the area where the package is to make this work. My preference (especially if you do not have any drawn comb) is to keep shaking until I get all the bees out or place the package in front the hive and they will eventually go into the hive. You can use a piece of plywood or sheet to assist the bees in crawning into the hive > 3) Are there any organic approaches to disease control (Nosema, > Foulbrood, mites, etc.)? I hate the idea of taking something as > beautiful and natural as honey and fouling it with chemicals. This is why the bee drug manufactuers recommend discontinuing medicating 4-8 weeks prior to the honey flow. Is there > something I can plant in my garden? Some herb to cook in with the sugar > syrup? Anyone doing research on this? > I don't know of anything...if you hear of something I would certainly be interested. > 4) How many quart jars should I have at a time for a top feeder? There > are slots for four, but is this necessary/recommended? How often should > I refill them? As often as they're empty? As many as they need. The bees will tell you by how fast they empty the jars. During a honey flow they typically do not take sugar syrup. However, for new packages, it is recommended to feed them syrup with Fumdil-B for nosema with is often a problem with new packages > > The books I have seem to skip over these questions, so I'm hoping the > vast world of the net will be able to help. Thanks in advance... > > Jordan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Mon Apr 18 17:30:21 EDT 1994 Article: 59 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Tree Date: 18 Apr 1994 15:23:28 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ou8lg$950@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com In article m71@news.u.washington.edu, jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) writes: > The talk last night at my local Beekeepers meeting was on diseases, > always a timely topic I take it (say _that_ ten times fast). The speaker > talked about the fact that once you started your hives on some sort of > drug or chemical to control a disease, you were basically committed to > keeping them on it forever. My question (which, being a neophyte I was > too embarrassed to ask) is: is this true? Why? In the modern age, do I > have any hope of keeping my hives drug-free (and healthy)? > > Thanks, > > Jordan My guess is that they were saying that bees naturally build up immunity to pest/dieses. If you treat them, they will nevel build up immunity. The trachael mite is a good example...bees are starting be become resistance to the trachael mite. Chalkbrood/nosema, etc. are other examples where bees have developed a certain immunity to the diese. Rgds, Dave M. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!cis.ksu.edu!mac Mon Apr 18 17:30:22 EDT 1994 Article: 60 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!cis.ksu.edu!mac From: mac@cis.ksu.edu (Myron A. Calhoun) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee sting medication Date: 18 Apr 94 16:59:56 GMT Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <2ou4th$950@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: depot.cis.ksu.edu david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) writes: >>Does anyone know of a cure and/or medication against allergic reactions >>from a bee-sting. >Yes, Ephedrine in a shot form is what we use. The oral form such as Benadryl >cannot be used after a bee sting since the air passage swells. In the US, you need >to be certified to administer the ephedrine shot. After being certified by a >physician, he gave me a perscription to purchase the medicine at the local pharmacist. Please limit your lines to about 70 characters or so for us folks who don't have zillion-column screens. When I first took up beekeeping some 25 years ago, I talked it over with my good ol' family doctor and he GAVE me a vial of epinephrine, a hypo with needle, and instructions. (A few years later, my fears all gone, I threw the stuff away.) --Myron. -- # Five boxes preserve our freedoms: soap, ballot, jury, witness, and cartridge. # Myron A. Calhoun, PhD EE; Assoc. Professor (913) 539-4448 home # INTERNET: mac@cis.ksu.edu 532-6350 work, 532-7353 fax # UUCP: ...rutgers!depot!mac Packet radio: W0PBV@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks Mon Apr 18 17:30:23 EDT 1994 Article: 61 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Tree Date: 18 Apr 1994 17:09:52 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 35 Message-ID: <2ouet0$qcv@news.u.washington.edu> References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> <2ou8lg$950@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) writes: >In article m71@news.u.washington.edu, jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) writes: >> The talk last night at my local Beekeepers meeting was on diseases, >> always a timely topic I take it (say _that_ ten times fast). The speaker >> talked about the fact that once you started your hives on some sort of >> drug or chemical to control a disease, you were basically committed to >> keeping them on it forever. My question (which, being a neophyte I was >> too embarrassed to ask) is: is this true? Why? In the modern age, do I >> have any hope of keeping my hives drug-free (and healthy)? >My guess is that they were saying that bees naturally build up immunity to >pest/dieses. If you treat them, they will nevel build up immunity. The >trachael mite is a good example...bees are starting be become resistance to >the trachael mite. Chalkbrood >nosema, etc. are other examples where bees have developed a certain immunity >to the disease. How would they build up this immunity, though? Given the short life span of the individual bees, I can't imagine it would happen on an individual level, and on the genetic level, an improvement could only happen by allowing those queens whose brood was susceptible to die and be replaced by a hardier stock. Even given this somewhat unlikely scenario (unlikely given that with only two hives I'm not about to take a hardline Darwinian approach to hive management), wouldn't the genetic input of drones from other hives in my area, some perhaps being treated with medications anyway, dilute this already weak effect? I don't have a very strong understanding of bee biology or development, so I'd appreciate any correction in logic or assumptions that I've made... Thanks, Jordan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!sarah!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Mon Apr 18 17:30:25 EDT 1994 Article: 62 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!sarah!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Subject: Re: Addicted to Meds? Message-ID: <16F9CB25DS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Sender: news@sarah.albany.edu (News Administrator) Nntp-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 References: <2oq3mh$m71@news.u.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 12:40:56 EDT Lines: 27 In article <2oq3mh$m71@news.u.washington.edu> jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) writes: > ... The speaker >talked about the fact that once you started your hives on some sort of >drug or chemical to control a disease, you were basically committed to >keeping them on it forever. My question (which, being a neophyte I was >too embarrassed to ask) is: is this true? Why? In the modern age, do I >have any hope of keeping my hives drug-free (and healthy)? > The reason for this is that the disease for which you are treating may or may not be present, but if it IS present, the medications are going to treat but not eradicate the disease. Now if you stop the treatment, the disease for which you were treating will no longer be supressed by the drugs and could explode within your hive. As far as keeping your hives drug free, you can do this simply by not using drugs. Drug free and healthy is a different story. I went for twelve years following a drug free strategy with no problems. The following year I was TOTALLY wiped out by American Foul Brood. I now routinely treat in the fall after harvest and early in the spring. I have all drugs out of my hives thirty days prior to supering up for the honey flows. I don't like the fact that I'm using drugs, but I REALLY didn't like killing my bees and burning my equipment. And now, with the mite problems I don't know how you can stay drug free and healthy other than to "Just say no to drugs" and suffer the consequences. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!transfer.stratus.com!stratus!cork!jane Mon Apr 18 17:30:25 EDT 1994 Article: 63 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!transfer.stratus.com!stratus!cork!jane From: jane@cork.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarms decreasing? Message-ID: <1169.26203@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> Date: 18 Apr 94 17:57:17 GMT References: <2ou4th$950@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> Sender: news@SWDC.Stratus.COM Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: cork Has anyone in the Bay Area (yep, California) noticed that swarming behavior is decreasing? My neighborhood used to get a couple swarms every year, but they seem to be decreasing over time. I hear that mites are making inroads in the Santa Cruz Mtns. Lots of dead hives, swarms down, etc. Wild colonies are dropping. The question I wonder about is how much this is hitting Northern California in general. I put out a swarm trap this year, in hopes of catching a swarm, but I'm wondering if this might be a vain hope... -- Jilara [jane@swdc.stratus.com] That's how freedom will end: not with a bang, but with a rustle of file folders. If you love any of your rights, defend all of them! -Joe Chew, on the net From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!charnel!olivea!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Mon Apr 18 17:30:27 EDT 1994 Article: 64 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!charnel!olivea!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Tree Date: 18 Apr 1994 18:09:31 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 52 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ouicr$9iu@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: <2ouet0$qcv@news.u.washington.edu> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com >From jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Tree Date: 18 Apr 1994 17:09:52 GMT david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) writes: >In article m71@news.u.washington.edu, jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) writes: >> The talk last night at my local Beekeepers meeting was on diseases, >> always a timely topic I take it (say _that_ ten times fast). The speaker >> talked about the fact that once you started your hives on some sort of >> drug or chemical to control a disease, you were basically committed to >> keeping them on it forever. My question (which, being a neophyte I was >> too embarrassed to ask) is: is this true? Why? In the modern age, do I >> have any hope of keeping my hives drug-free (and healthy)? >My guess is that they were saying that bees naturally build up immunity to >pest/dieses. If you treat them, they will nevel build up immunity. The >trachael mite is a good example...bees are starting be become resistance to >the trachael mite. Chalkbrood >nosema, etc. are other examples where bees have developed a certain immunity >to the disease. How would they build up this immunity, though? Given the short life span of the individual bees, I can't imagine it would happen on an individual level, and on the genetic level, an improvement could only happen by allowing those queens whose brood was susceptible to die and be replaced by a hardier stock. Even given this somewhat unlikely scenario (unlikely given that with only two hives I'm not about to take a hardline Darwinian approach to hive management), wouldn't the genetic input of drones from other hives in my area, some perhaps being treated with medications anyway, dilute this already weak effect? I don't have a very strong understanding of bee biology or development, so I'd appreciate any correction in logic or assumptions that I've made... Thanks, Jordan yes, it is a Darwinian approach but I know of a lot of beekeepers who only treat for varroa mites, if at all. They are relying on the diversity within the Apis bee itself. If a hive dies, it dies. Some have lost a good portion of their hives but they have made splits from those that remain with the resistance. This is how Carter Linkous here in Raleigh developed his Trachael Mite resistance bees. Hope this helps. Dave M. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usenet.elf.com!sundog.tiac.net!news.sprintlink.net!crash!donb Mon Apr 18 17:30:28 EDT 1994 Article: 65 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usenet.elf.com!sundog.tiac.net!news.sprintlink.net!crash!donb From: donb@crash.cts.com (Donald Bowen) Subject: computerised farming Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET/crash), San Diego, CA Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 15:26:43 GMT Message-ID: Sender: news@crash.cts.com (news subsystem) Nntp-Posting-Host: crash.cts.com Lines: 5 Some time ago someone in the group mentioned networking a farm. Could that person or anyone else who has done that drop me a line? Don From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!dww Tue Apr 19 14:46:55 EDT 1994 Article: 66 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!dww From: dww@bnr.co.uk (David Wright) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Welcome All! Date: 18 Apr 1994 21:43:10 GMT Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <2ouuteINN7d3@bhars12c.bnr.co.uk> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.164.64.33 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) writes: # To all people interested in bees, beekeeping and hive products: #Please use this group! Its for you. #Adam And you should all thank Adam, who not only campaigned for the group from the start, but put up with us busybodies in group-advice giving him unasked for help on the group name, (the name initially suggested did not fit well into the Usenet name system). He even took our advice, in the end, and I hope it contributed to the sucessful vote. >From the initial traffic, it looks like you're going to have a good Usenet group. Good luck, and may your clover never wither and your bees never swarm out of season. Regards, David Wright, speaking as a member of, but not for group-advice@uunet.uu.net, a small advisory list that tale refers people to for advice on newsgroup naming and votes. dww@bnr.co.uk dww@bnr.ca uunet!stl!dww D.W.Wright.EG10@bnr From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!olivea!romana!Automatic-Newsgroup-Creation-Program Tue Apr 19 14:46:57 EDT 1994 Article: 67 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!olivea!romana!Automatic-Newsgroup-Creation-Program From: Automatic-Newsgroup-Creation-Program@romana.Tymnet.COM Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New newsgroup sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <9404162332.AA29315@tardis.tymnet.com> Date: 16 Apr 94 23:32:57 GMT Sender: jms@romana.Tymnet.COM Lines: 25 Return-Path: /dev/null tymix.Tymnet.COM!uunet!tale requested that a new newsgroup called 'sci.agriculture.beekeeping' be created. It was approved by tale@uunet.uu.net tymix.Tymnet.COM!uunet!tale says: sci.agriculture.beekeeping is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 271:27 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 8 Apr 1994. For your newsgroups file: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Beekeeping, bee-culture and hive products. The charter, culled from the call for votes: Discussion on all aspects of beekeeping,bee-culture, and products of the hive. Sci.agriculture.beekeeping will provide beekeepers, bee scientists, farmers, and the general public one place for apicultural information. A FAQ is needed for bee-culture and beekeeping from African bees, to bee venom therapy. The curious are invited to discuss bee lore or ask questions, and the experienced beekeepers will be able to advise and help with the anecdotal information so necessary to beekeeping. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!das-news.harvard.edu!husc-news.harvard.edu!husc.harvard.edu!husc9.harvard.edu!wseltzer Tue Apr 19 14:46:58 EDT 1994 Article: 68 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!das-news.harvard.edu!husc-news.harvard.edu!husc.harvard.edu!husc9.harvard.edu!wseltzer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions from a beginner Message-ID: <2oupsp$db0@scunix2.harvard.edu> From: wseltzer@husc9.harvard.edu (Wendy Seltzer) Date: 18 Apr 1994 20:17:29 GMT References: <2onnp0$4ic@news.u.washington.edu> Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA NNTP-Posting-Host: husc9.harvard.edu Lines: 23 In article , Przemek Skoskiewicz wrote: > >In article <2onnp0$4ic@news.u.washington.edu>, jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) writes: [...] >|> >|> 2) When I shook in my package, I was unable to get out a good 1/3 of >|> them. All the books I read just said "some" would remain. Question is: >|> does "some" = 1/3? Is this a problem? > >Just leave them outside near the hive with the opening facing top: they'll find >the hive and their queen. When I set up my hives (two), I had read an interesting way of getting the last bees to go in. If you slant a board from the ground to the entrance, dump a few of the remaining bees onto the board, and put the package at the base of the board, the bees will soon start to climb up the board into the hive. It's not necessarily more efficient than the other methods, but it is certainly fun to watch! (You also know they can find the entrance.) Wendy wseltzer@husc.harvard.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!pitstop.mcd.mot.com!mcdphx!robp Tue Apr 19 14:46:59 EDT 1994 Article: 69 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!pitstop.mcd.mot.com!mcdphx!robp From: robp@motorl.orl.mcd.mot.com (Robert C. Persons) Subject: Re: Bumble vs. Honey Message-ID: <1994Apr18.204711.16012@phx.mcd.mot.com> Originator: robp@motorl Sender: robp@motorl (Robert C. Persons) Nntp-Posting-Host: motorl.orl.mcd.mot.com Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Southern Area Sales References: Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 20:47:11 GMT Lines: 43 In article , acbhour@phil.ruu.nl (Rudi van Houten) writes: |> In mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman) writes: |> |> >Can someone tell me (e-mail preferred) the difference |> >between a Bumble Bee and a normal Honey bee and |> >any other major types of bees? |> |> Most eye-catching difference (as I see it). Bumble bee colonies live only |> one year (season in fact), they don't pass the winter, and therefore they |> don't build a big store of food. It is that big store of food of the honey |> bee that makes it of value for humans. |> Bumble bees also have an economical value for humanity, but it is not so |> evident. Since bumble bees visit flowers much earlier in the year then |> honeybees the bumble bee is important for early crop. (I think that a long |> practice of "slaughtering" the heaviest hives at the end of the year has |> made the lazy honey bees the fittest in the struggle for life). |> |> -- |> Rudi van Houten Academisch Computer Centrum Utrecht / Besturings Systemen |> Budapestlaan 8 - 3584 CD - Utrecht - Netherlands |> :-) Fantasy is given mankind as retribution for what he is not, |> and a sense of humour to console him for what he is. I started following this for a friend of mine who does bees, but of course, I to put in my two cents. I have a second degree in Zoology, so I have an interest also. One thing that I seem to remember is that there are varieties of Bumble Bees which are also solitary. The brood their young in underground chambers not as a colony but singularly. I will have to ask an old professor who was into Entomology, but I think this isolates them, taxonomically, quite a bit from honey bees. I have been away from that side of my schooling for 10 years now so I might have lost track of the facts. Maybe there is someone out there that could confirm or deny my memory. Rob Persons -- =========> My views, not Motorola's <============= Rob Persons Voice: (407)823-7008 FAX: (407)823-7010 Motorola Computer Group EMAIL: robp@orl.mcd.mot.com 12424 Research Prkwy. #217 Orlando, FL. 32826 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!poe.acc.Virginia.EDU!jwg2y Tue Apr 19 14:47:01 EDT 1994 Article: 70 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!poe.acc.Virginia.EDU!jwg2y From: jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warner Granade) Subject: Poplar Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 16:10:42 GMT Lines: 9 Our poplar is about to come in bloom here in Virginia. How does one collect just poplar honey when so much other stuff is in bloom right now? Do I just put in some empty frames as the trees flower and then remove them as soon as they stop? The bees are hived in the edge of a woods of mostly poplar. -- Warner Granade *****jwg2y@virginia.edu 804-924-7409 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Thu Apr 21 23:30:03 EDT 1994 Article: 71 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Poplar Date: 19 Apr 1994 13:56:44 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 38 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p0nus$blg@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com Our poplar is about to come in bloom here in Virginia. How does one collect just poplar honey when so much other stuff is in bloom right now? Do I just put in some empty frames as the trees flower and then remove them as soon as they stop? The bees are hived in the edge of a woods of mostly poplar. -- Warner Granade *****jwg2y@virginia.edu 804-924-7409 When someone says that their honey is Tulip Poplar, they mean that the predominant floral source is Tulip Poplar but that some other minor floral sources are probably in the honey also. If you have supers with foundation, you should put one super on at a time and when they get that super 1/2-3/4 full put another empty super under the partially filled super. The Hive and the Honey Bee has a good example of correct supering as does some of the comb honey production books. If you have drawn comb, you will get more honey since the bees do not have to draw out the comb and expend honey/nectar drawing out the comb. As far as collecting just Tulip Poplar *only*, it is next to impossible to have your bees collect only Tulip Poplar...they will collect what sweet nectar is available during that time of day. You need to make sure that you give the bees plenty of space to store the nectar. What happens is the bees will fill up the cells that the queen may very well lay in. This results in the queen running out of room and swarm cells to be formed, i.e. the bees will form a swarm cell base and the queen will pop an egg in the swarm cell if she has no other place to lay it. Swarm cells are enlongated cells that typically are on the bottom of the frames. You can tip up the entire super/brood champer and look at the frame bottoms to see if you have any swarm cells. I tip up the entire super/brood chamber rather that removing each frame because it is easier and quicker. My two cents. Good luck and have fun. Dave MacFawn From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!trane.uninett.no!humpty.edb.tih.no!astfgl.edb.tih.no!fredrik Thu Apr 21 23:30:05 EDT 1994 Article: 72 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!trane.uninett.no!humpty.edb.tih.no!astfgl.edb.tih.no!fredrik From: fredrik@edb.tih.no (Fredrik Wilhelmsen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer bees Date: 19 Apr 1994 19:44:33 GMT Organization: Trondheim College of Engineering Lines: 12 Message-ID: <2p1cb1$pmk@astfgl.edb.tih.no> References: <140122Z19041994@anon.penet.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: oversoul.edb.tih.no X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] an60222@anon.penet.fi wrote: : Hi all. : I don't hear a news on Killer bees lately. : Are they not a threat it used to be thought? Check out the article in Scientific American, dec. 1994, vol 269 no 6, pp 52-58, "Africanized Bees in the U.S." by Thomas E. Rinderer et.al. The conclusion seems to be: killer bees are a problem, but the problem can be dealt with. -Fredrik From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!veldhui Thu Apr 21 23:30:06 EDT 1994 Article: 73 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!veldhui From: veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca (Phil Veldhuis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping software Date: 19 Apr 1994 19:44:09 GMT Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p1ca9$6ao@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <2p12nh$blg@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca Could the person who posted information about beekeeping software please post a small summary of the programs features, etc. I hate to deluge the poster or the software author with a request for info along with everyone else. BTW, (since we are just getting to know one anouther) I am a small time beekeeper here in Manitoba (60 Hives) and also a provicial apiary inspector during the spring. I'm also a grad student in philosophy doing research in scientific methodology and the dance language hypothesis. Thanks in advance Phil Veldhuis, Apiarist -- ------------oooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo------------- Phil Veldhuis | "if something is not worth doing, Winnipeg. MB, Canada | it is not worth doing right" veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca | Dave Barry (1985) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!umd5.umd.edu!not-for-mail Thu Apr 21 23:30:08 EDT 1994 Article: 74 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!umd5.umd.edu!not-for-mail From: mmartin@yorick.umd.edu (Martha Martin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping software Date: 19 Apr 1994 11:51:06 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 11 Sender: mmartin@umd5.umd.edu Message-ID: <2p0ula$ski@yorick.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: yorick.umd.edu Summary: Search for sources of any colony simulation software I have a friend who is looking for beekeeping software. Can anyone recommend a source/sources for PC programs that have anything to do with apiculture? So far, I have only seen two programs referred to: Bee Colony (a French program), and PC Bee Pop (U of Montana, JJ Bromenshenk, author(?)). I have left a message with Mr. Bromenshenk in Arizona, but so far no reply. Any leads, including email addresses would be very much appreciated. Thanks! M. Martin mmartin@umd5.umd.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!owl.csrv.uidaho.edu!crow.csrv.uidaho.edu!moore901 Thu Apr 21 23:30:09 EDT 1994 Article: 75 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!owl.csrv.uidaho.edu!crow.csrv.uidaho.edu!moore901 From: moore901@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Moore Chad) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New kid on the Block Date: 19 Apr 1994 16:17:38 GMT Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow, Idaho Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p1072$fn4@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: crow.csrv.uidaho.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Just wanted to say hi to all of you beekeepers out there. This is the first Newsgroup that I have seen, that is actually interesting. I am from the Salmon River area in Idaho, and my family has been raising bees for over fifty years in this area. We only have about three thousand colonies, but are hoping to expand if we ever get rid of the mite. We were clean, and had healthy bee hives until we started to go to California in the winter. The best way that I know of to get rid of the might is the strips dipped in acid. We have used Cough drops, sticks dipped in medication, and variouse other methods. We have had might for about five years now, and it is finally starting to go away, but it has cost us thousands of dollars in medication and loss of colonies. Does anyone else have star Thistle out there? We have had that come up the past several years and it seems to be an outstanding money maker. Thanks to whoever started this newsletter, it could be helpfull to all of us beekeepers. In reply to the beeman who got stung on the upper lip through his veil. The best bet, is to get one of those three gallon containers with a spout and pour it in. I know I get pretty thirst in one hundred and twenty degree weather when I am taking off of honey, and need a lot of water. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Thu Apr 21 23:30:10 EDT 1994 Article: 76 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help,please! Date: 19 Apr 1994 16:33:25 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 36 Message-ID: <2p114l$5go@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <2ona68$n1n@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Catherine T Holley (cholley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote: : I hope that this group will be able to help us out on a problem. If I'm in the : wrong place, then just ignore this post. 3-4 years ago, a swarm of honey bees : moved into the cinder blocks that make up our chimney. They're not in the : chimney pipe, just the "honeycomb" that the cinderblocks form. Every few days : one of the bees gets lost and works its way into the house, not really a : problem for us, but deadly for the bee since they can't get out or get back : into the hive. How do we get them out of the chimney without tearing it down? : I don't want to destroy an entire hive of bees; something seems very criminal : in this. I just want them out of the block. We live in a log cabin and I'm : afraid that the honey will draw other unwanted guests that might find the logs : an excellent home or an excellent addition to a meal. Any suggestions? : Cathy Holley cholley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu cathy - there are traps that will help you to remove most of the bees, but the honey and brood (and queen) will remain. the honey and brood will draw all kinds of other insects over a long period of time . . . and as the wax breaks down the honey (by now quite a bit, i presume) will begin to run, making a mess. this is a worst case scenario, but i had a swarm in the house wall and all that i have described happened. i waited it out, lived with the odors and ants, and eventually the situation stabilized. the ants do a wonderful job! you may want to dissemble the brickwork to gain access to the hive and remove it. the beekeeper who does this will be happy to move the bees into a commercial hive so that you can begin to be a beekeeper. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks Thu Apr 21 23:30:11 EDT 1994 Article: 77 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: article in NYT Date: 19 Apr 1994 16:48:07 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 4 Message-ID: <2p1207$paq@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Interesting article on spiders in today's New York Times (Science section), with a bit on how bees learn. Check it out... Jordan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Thu Apr 21 23:30:14 EDT 1994 Article: 78 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping software Date: 19 Apr 1994 17:00:33 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 33 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p12nh$blg@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com I have a friend who is looking for beekeeping software. Can anyone recommend a source/sources for PC programs that have anything to do with apiculture? So far, I have only seen two programs referred to: Bee Colony (a French program), and PC Bee Pop (U of Montana, JJ Bromenshenk, author(?)). I have left a message with Mr. Bromenshenk in Arizona, but so far no reply. Any leads, including email addresses would be very much appreciated. Thanks! M. Martin mmartin@umd5.umd.edu yes, Tom Sanford has an interesting program: Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tom Sanford Extension Apiculturist University of Florida Mailing Address: Bldg 970, Hull Rd., Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Voice phone 904/392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX 904/392-0190 INTERNET: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU BITNET: MTS@IFASGNV +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!news.funet.fi!news.eunet.fi!anon.penet.fi Thu Apr 21 23:30:16 EDT 1994 Article: 79 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <140122Z19041994@anon.penet.fi> Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!news.funet.fi!news.eunet.fi!anon.penet.fi Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: an60222@anon.penet.fi X-Anonymously-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Anonymous contact service Reply-To: an60222@anon.penet.fi Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 12:31:54 UTC Subject: Killer bees Lines: 12 Hi all. I don't hear a news on Killer bees lately. Are they not a threat it used to be thought? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!sgeorge Thu Apr 21 23:30:17 EDT 1994 Article: 80 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!sgeorge From: sgeorge@citi.umich.edu (Scott George) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer bees Date: 19 Apr 1994 18:57:17 GMT Organization: U-M Lines: 11 Sender: sgeorge@citi.umich.edu (Scott James George) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p19id$ohh@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <140122Z19041994@anon.penet.fi> Reply-To: sgeorge@citi.umich.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: elpaso.citi.umich.edu From: an60222@anon.penet.fi >I don't hear a news on Killer bees lately. >Are they not a threat it used to be thought? Actually, the December 1993 issue of Scientific American had an article about the hybridization of the Africanized bee. Anyone read this article? What'd you think of it? --Scott (who does not keep bees, but would like to some day.) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!ugle.unit.no!trane.uninett.no!humpty.edb.tih.no!astfgl.edb.tih.no!fredrik Thu Apr 21 23:30:18 EDT 1994 Article: 81 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!ugle.unit.no!trane.uninett.no!humpty.edb.tih.no!astfgl.edb.tih.no!fredrik From: fredrik@edb.tih.no (Fredrik Wilhelmsen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble vs. Honey Date: 19 Apr 1994 18:57:24 GMT Organization: Trondheim College of Engineering Lines: 18 Message-ID: <2p19ik$pc2@astfgl.edb.tih.no> References: <1994Apr18.204711.16012@phx.mcd.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oversoul.edb.tih.no X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] : |> >Can someone tell me (e-mail preferred) the difference : |> >between a Bumble Bee and a normal Honey bee and : |> >any other major types of bees? : |> I read somewhere (sorry, don't remeber where or when) that Bumble Bees are more stupid than Honey bees. And this stupidity makes them more useful in a greenhouse. A hive of honey bees will find a way out of an open window if there easier food to be found outside the greenhouse. The bumble bees will buzz happily around inside, fulfilling their important mission. -Fredrik PS: A honey bee is supposed to have 800.000 neurons (New Scientist, feb, 26., 1994, page 17. I had the ref on that one :-). Half of the neurones are believed to be (no pun) devotet to sight. How smart can they be. (still no pun intended). From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!nobody Thu Apr 21 23:30:20 EDT 1994 Article: 82 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!nobody From: asmith2@umbc.edu (smith adam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: a question Date: 19 Apr 1994 21:33:37 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Lines: 9 Message-ID: <2p20phINNnch@umbc9.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: f-umbc9.umbc.edu This is the question i have always wanted to get into falconry but i have never really pursed the legal aspects of it. Is Falconry still allowed in Maryland, i.e. can you still obtain licenses for the sport. I would really appreciate any info people have. Just incase you are wondering I would like to have either a Red-tail or a American Kestrel adam From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Thu Apr 21 23:30:22 EDT 1994 Article: 83 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How do I reduce an over abundant hive? Date: 20 Apr 1994 18:34:53 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 35 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p3skd$f48@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com My packages bees from last year have increased in volume exponentally They are already 6 hives high and full to the brim. My buddy Jordan Schwartz who lives 1 block away and just started 2 new hives with package bees (initial setup this last weekend). Can anyone recommend a way(s) to pass some of this overflow onto him? I would still like to have a good honey harvest but just can't handle another hive in my urban kingdom. (Last year was my first year for beekkeeping so I'm still a major novice.) Thanks Teri You can do several things. You can split your hive and give him either some frames with brood or a super or two. The is called equalization. A series of articles by a deceased bee research by the name Farr sp? was published in the American Bee Journal (ABJ) last year. To combine supers, place a layer of newspaper between the existing hive and the super being added. By the time the bees eat their way through the paper, they will accept each other. Be sure that you keep your queen though, i.e. she is not in the super that you give your friend...if you do give away your queen, the bees will raise another queen if they have fertilized worker eggs less than 12-36 hours old. If two queens end up in the same hive, they will fight it out and the strongest one will survive. If you want to add frames from your overflowing hive to your friends hive, you can spray the bees on each frame with sugar syrup and the bees will accept each other. Take Care, Dave MacFawn For those of your who do not know me, I am a master beekeeper in Raleigh, North Carolina. I published a series of 4 articles in ABJ last year on business plans, financial analysis of beekeeping operations, and analyzing the affect of imported honey. I only keeps bees as a hobby with only 15 hives. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Thu Apr 21 23:30:23 EDT 1994 Article: 84 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mites Date: 20 Apr 1994 18:43:37 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p3t4p$f48@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com >From adwright@iastate.edu () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mites Date: 20 Apr 94 12:58:51 GMT >I am not an expert on beekeeping but i thought the following topics >would be of interest: >I read a report that the USDA is working with a Yugoslavian strain that >is resistant to varora mite. It may be available to the public in a >few years. These bees are now being sold. I notice in the ABJ and Bee Culture that people are now selling they >Also i saw a report that the bees are more tolerant to high temperature >than tracheal mites, so it was concluded that painting hives black >instead of white would be useful. Someone is actually selling a "system" to put your super into and heat up to kill the mits but not hot enough to kill the bees...I don't remembers if this was for trachael or vorroa mites though. It was again advertised in one of the bee journals >I am wondering what the experts think of painting the hive black? Allen -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!charnel!psgrain!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!trhan Thu Apr 21 23:30:25 EDT 1994 Article: 85 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!charnel!psgrain!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!trhan From: trhan@cac.washington.edu (Teri Rhan {FMO}) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How do I reduce an over abundant hive? Date: 20 Apr 1994 04:14:05 GMT Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing Lines: 12 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2p2a6d$h2u@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: shiva2.cac.washington.edu My packages bees from last year have increased in volume exponentally They are already 6 hives high and full to the brim. My buddy Jordan Schwartz who lives 1 block away and just started 2 new hives with package bees (initial setup this last weekend). Can anyone recommend a way(s) to pass some of this overflow onto him? I would still like to have a good honey harvest but just can't handle another hive in my urban kingdom. (Last year was my first year for beekkeeping so I'm still a major novice.) Thanks Teri From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!ub!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 Thu Apr 21 23:30:26 EDT 1994 Article: 86 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!ub!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping software Date: 19 Apr 94 23:39:28 EST Organization: University of Scranton Lines: 24 Message-ID: <1994Apr19.233928.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> References: <2p0ula$ski@yorick.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.cs.uofs.edu In article <2p0ula$ski@yorick.umd.edu>, mmartin@yorick.umd.edu (Martha Martin) writes: > I have a friend who is looking for beekeeping software. Can anyone > recommend a source/sources for PC programs that have anything to do with > apiculture? Penn State has a software program, write to Mary Ann Fraiser 504 ASI Bldge. Dept. of Ent. PA State Univ. University Park, PA 16802 (814) 865-4621 I don't know how good it is, I read a favorable review in ABJ last year. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | Where a social revolution is pending and, University Of Scranton | for whatever reason, is not accomplished, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | reaction is the alternative. ddc1@SCRANTON | -Daniel De Leon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!ub!ns.potsdam.edu!news.potsdam.edu!nelson Thu Apr 21 23:30:29 EDT 1994 Article: 87 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!ub!ns.potsdam.edu!news.potsdam.edu!nelson From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Super-super? Date: 20 Apr 1994 18:49:57 GMT Organization: Crynwr Software Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.143.201.14 Has anyone heard anything about a special kind of super called a super-super? It has specially-sized holes in the back of each cell that causes the honey to run down into a collection container. No super removal needed! A friend of mine patented it nearly 17 years ago and never brought it to market. A pity. -- -russ ftp.msen.com:pub/vendor/crynwr/crynwr.wav Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | Quakers do it in the light Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!transfer.stratus.com!noc.near.net!ll.mit.edu!killoran Thu Apr 21 23:30:30 EDT 1994 Article: 88 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!transfer.stratus.com!noc.near.net!ll.mit.edu!killoran From: killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran) Subject: Re: Killer bees In-Reply-To: fredrik@edb.tih.no's message of 19 Apr 1994 19:44:33 GMT Message-ID: <9404201231.PN25673@LL.MIT.EDU> Sender: news@ll.mit.edu Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab -- Lexington, MA References: <140122Z19041994@anon.penet.fi> <2p1cb1$pmk@astfgl.edb.tih.no> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 94 12:31:42 -0400 Lines: 17 In article <2p1cb1$pmk@astfgl.edb.tih.no> fredrik@edb.tih.no (Fredrik Wilhelmsen) writes: > Check out the article in Scientific American, dec. 1994, vol 269 no 6, ^^^^ I look forward to reading it. :-> (My first package arrives this week!) -- Mike Killoran Zen says: killoran@ll.mit.edu Cease to do evil, (617) 981-2667 Try to do good. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!jeg7e Thu Apr 21 23:30:31 EDT 1994 Article: 89 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!jeg7e From: jeg7e@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Jon Gefaell) Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2omjnp$38s@sixgun.east.sun.com> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 23:29:14 GMT Lines: 18 In article <2omjnp$38s@sixgun.east.sun.com>, David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center wrote: > >This newsgroup is great! Anyone know where I can get one of Dadant's out-of-print books on Bees and The Law? It was written by someone in Virginia. > >Also, I have postscript files of 4 articles that I published in ABJ last year on Beekeeping Business plans, finance applied to bee operations and one that I did on analyzing the affect of imported honey. Will internet handle postscript docs? I may be premature, but Adam Finklestien, the fellow who proposed the group is a user at my site. I'd be happy to offer our resources for an anonymous FTP site (We already archive some Amiga software development) gopher, www, etc... for Sci.Agriculture.Beekeeping. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ \ \ / Jon Gefaell, Computer Systems Engineer | Amateur Radio, KD4CQY \/\/ Community Internetwork Research & Development | -Will chmod for Food- \/ The University of Virginia, Charlottesville | Hacker@Virginia.EDU ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jon Gefaell's Home Page From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Thu Apr 21 23:30:32 EDT 1994 Article: 90 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mites Date: 20 Apr 1994 21:29:46 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 15 Message-ID: <2p46sa$arf@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <2omdbcINN43g@sepia.wv.tek.com> <2omrf8$op3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Adam Finkelstein (adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU) wrote: : There are two kinds of bee mites: tracheal and varroa. Tracheal are : internal, Varroa are external. Colonies die from both mites usually when ^^^ adam - i lost a colony to varroa last fall and found only a clean, empty hive left . . . no dead bees. i was told that the colony absconds . . . maybe they just get tired of being bugged by the mites . do they die off, too? regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.uoregon.edu!carpenwa.cbs.or.gov!carpenwa Thu Apr 21 23:30:34 EDT 1994 Article: 91 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.uoregon.edu!carpenwa.cbs.or.gov!carpenwa From: carpenwa@imd1.cbs.or.gov (William A Carpenter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Keeping Bees in the City Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 16:04:28 Organization: State of Oregon - DCBS Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: carpenwa.cbs.or.gov X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I have been reading about keeping bees for years, but never have had a good location to have my own hives. Reading this newsgroup is encouraging me to go ahead and keep bees anyway. I live in a small city in Oregon. Does anyone have any pointers on keeping bees in a residential area? Thanks! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Thu Apr 21 23:30:35 EDT 1994 Article: 92 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Mites Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <2omdbcINN43g@sepia.wv.tek.com> <2omrf8$op3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 18:52:01 GMT Lines: 24 There are two kinds of bee mites: tracheal and varroa. Tracheal are internal, Varroa are external. Colonies die from both mites usually when the bee population is low and the mite population is high(Winter or early spring)So far the best solution to tracheal mites has been a healthy colony with plenty of feed and grease patty added to the colony. Some incorporate terramycin into the patty for preventative treatment of the various foulbrood diseases, although new research might show that the terramycin might help keep the tracheal mites effect at bay. Varroa mites are treated with Apistan and maybe in some states other chemicals, I'm not sure of the exact laws. As is usually the case, healthy bees are less susceptible to any stress. Keep them well fed with honey for over-wintering, and ask your State Apairist or bee inspector, or maybe extension agent for info. Bee clubs are also an excellent source of information. Buckfast bees, Yugo bees (ARS release) and some others from around the country are tolerant to tracheal mites. Nothing is tolerant to varroa yet. Adam -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!csn!news.sinet.slb.com!news.london.sinet.slb.com!news.gatwick.sgp.slb.com!news Thu Apr 21 23:30:36 EDT 1994 Article: 93 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!csn!news.sinet.slb.com!news.london.sinet.slb.com!news.gatwick.sgp.slb.com!news From: bokhorst@gatwick.sgp.slb.com (Karel Bokhorst) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Propolis? Date: 19 Apr 1994 11:57:00 GMT Organization: Schlumberger Geco-Prakla Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p0guc$85@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> Reply-To: bokhorst@gatwick.sgp.slb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: margana.gatwick.sgp.slb.com It is well known that the kit (propolis) bees use to desinfect their hives can also be used for humans. It can cure/help to cure quite a few common illnesses. Has anybody any experience with propolis as a medicine? Are there any articles on the net about propolis? Is there any research going on with propolis? Any answers/questions/suggestions appreciated. Regards, Karel From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!rah Thu Apr 21 23:30:37 EDT 1994 Article: 94 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!rah From: rah@netcom.com (Richard Hyde) Subject: Re: Propolis? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <2p0guc$85@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 01:09:37 GMT Lines: 22 Karel Bokhorst (bokhorst@gatwick.sgp.slb.com) wrote: : It is well known that the kit (propolis) bees use to desinfect their : hives can also be used for humans. It can cure/help to cure quite a few : common illnesses. This is news to me. I thought that the promary purpose of propolis was to chink holes in the hive. I suppose pine and other resins would have some antibacterial properties, but it seems a secondary function at best. I have heard anecdotal evidence that propolis has been used to cure arthritus, but then so has copper and silver bracelets. YMMV. Does anyone know if Kibo keeps bees? :-) -r -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Richard Hyde | RaH@netcom.com | This space intentionally left blank | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!rah Thu Apr 21 23:30:38 EDT 1994 Article: 95 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!rah From: rah@netcom.com (Richard Hyde) Subject: Re: How do I reduce an over abundant hive? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <2p2a6d$h2u@news.u.washington.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 01:17:34 GMT Lines: 38 Teri Rhan {FMO} (trhan@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : My packages bees from last year have increased in volume exponentally : They are already 6 hives high and full to the brim. My buddy Jordan : Schwartz who lives 1 block away and just started 2 new hives with : package bees (initial setup this last weekend). Can anyone recommend a : way(s) to pass some of this overflow onto him? I would still like to Teri, A standard way of joining hives is to remove the top from the recipient hive and spread a sheet of newspaper over the top of the frames. Make sure the frames are completely covered. Poke a few tiny holes in the newspaper and then place an empty super over the top. This will will give you an empty cavity over the top of the recipient hive into which you can place the donor bees. Take as many bees as you wish from your existing hive and place them into the empty super. Now replace the cover. As the bees chew through the newspaper they should become used to each others scent and by the time they gain full access, the unification should be peaceful. You should keep watch while this is happening and immediately remove the donor bees shoud signs of fighting occur. As an alternate to shaking the bees into an empty super you can simply take a full super from your hive and place it on the recipient hive, again seperated by a sheet of paper. Needless to say, you should *not* transfer your queen along with the donor bees. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Richard Hyde | RaH@netcom.com | This space intentionally left blank | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vincent2.iastate.edu!adwright Thu Apr 21 23:30:40 EDT 1994 Article: 96 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vincent2.iastate.edu!adwright From: adwright@iastate.edu () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mites Date: 20 Apr 94 12:58:51 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <2omdbcINN43g@sepia.wv.tek.com> <2omrf8$op3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vincent2.iastate.edu I am not an expert on beekeeping but i thought the following topics would be of interest: I read a report that the USDA is working with a Yugoslavian strain that is resistant to varora mite. It may be available to the public in a few years. Also i saw a report that the bees are more tolerant to high temperature than tracheal mites, so it was concluded that painting hives black instead of white would be useful. I am wondering what the experts think of painting the hive black? Allen -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!world!moroney Thu Apr 21 23:30:41 EDT 1994 Article: 97 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: How do I reduce an over abundant hive? Message-ID: Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <2p2a6d$h2u@news.u.washington.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 01:13:42 GMT Lines: 34 In article <2p2a6d$h2u@news.u.washington.edu>, Teri Rhan {FMO} wrote: > My packages bees from last year have increased in volume exponentally > They are already 6 hives high and full to the brim. By "6 hives full" do you mean full of what? Honey? Bees? Brood? By "6 hives" do you mean 6 full-sized hive bodies? Regardless of the answer, I'm impressed. If you have mostly honey, harvest it and enjoy... (if you can weigh it, I'm curious how much you have...) If bees/brood you'll either get the ultimate honey harvest or a swarm from hell.. > My buddy Jordan > Schwartz who lives 1 block away and just started 2 new hives with > package bees (initial setup this last weekend). Can anyone recommend a > way(s) to pass some of this overflow onto him? I would still like to You may be onto some sort of "superbee" here, you definitely should try to propogate this line. One way is to have your friend start a new hive from yours. Take several frames of brood (including eggs but _not_ your queen) and honey, place in a hive, add tons of your bees (since your friend is so close you'll get most back) and start a new hive descended from your "superbees" Great if you can supply it with a queen cell. Otherwise the bees in the new colony will raise a new queen from one of the eggs. Or give him your queen along with this, being sure _your_ hive has eggs or a queen cell, then your hive will now be the decendent, this also reduces the chance of it swarming. Check the beekeeping books on how to "split" a colony. You can just give your friend frames of sealed brood to help his hives build up quickly. You can also add bees with the newspaper method but it will be difficult to give your friends bees to bolster his hives since they'll drift back. They may want to swarm soon, so you may want to do do something soon. -Mike From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng Thu Apr 21 23:30:42 EDT 1994 Article: 98 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis? Date: 21 Apr 1994 06:24:54 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Lines: 470 Message-ID: <2p567m$kdt@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <2p0guc$85@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu In article <2p0guc$85@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com>, Karel Bokhorst wrote: >Has anybody any experience with propolis as a medicine? >Are there any articles on the net about propolis? >Is there any research going on with propolis? > >Any answers/questions/suggestions appreciated. When I was at Davis, I wrote a review paper on propolis. Since then, there have been many studies published, and I have yet to add those. I was originally going to submit this paper to Bee World for publication, but I decided to wait until the recent flurry of research established the mechanism of action for CAPE. Regards, Paul p.s. I am NOT doing research on bees (currently), CAPE, or propolis (heck, I can't even ask for drones without being called a "sicko"! 8) ). Honey Bee Propolis: Prospects in Medicine Paul C. Cheng Department of Entomology, University of California, Davis, California June 7, 1993 Introduction: Modern doctors trained in allopathic medicine are usually wary of naturopathic remedies because the mechanisms of efficacy are usually unclear. Indeed, if one examines "recipes" from Chinese herbal medicine or some "home remedies," the active ingredients are unknown. Also demonstration of the effectiveness of the remedies often is not scientific (no use of placebos) and could be a result of psychological effects of the patient. However, modern allopathic doctors and researchers should not ignore potential benefits which natural products may provide in curing some of the most serious medical problems today. One such natural product which has received increased attention is propolis, a sticky substance collected from trees by honey bees (Apis mellifera L.) which they use to seal their hives. The components of propolis can be traced to the trees from which they are collected. Bees frequently visit conifers and poplars to collect resins from the trees' buds or bark, and these resins are taken back to the hive to be used as a sealing agent. If animals such as mice die in the hive, the carcasses are too big to be removed by the bees. Instead, they cover the carcass with propolis, which prevents serious bacterial infection of the colony. Ray Hill (1977) describes that propolis derived from poplar resin has been used as a folk remedy to cure bacterial infections for more than 2,000 years. Ailments curable by propolis include throat infections, bad breath, ulcers, eye infections, and urinary tract infections. Currently, propolis is available for purchase as an ingredient in sore-throat lozenges, powder, and even toothpaste. It is important to note that the components of propolis vary depending on the source from which resins have been collected by the bees; therefore the biological activity of the individual components of propolis must be identified first. Poplar propolis contains many different compounds, including flavonoids, phenolics, cinnamic acid, and caffeic acid (Greenway, et al., 1987). An alcoholic extract yields antibacterial activity, and it is interesting to note that poplar bud resins also exhibit the same activity (Hill, 1977). Current scientific studies focus on the antiviral and anti-tumor effects of flavonoids and caffeic acid phenethyl ester (CAPE), some of which will be reviewed in this paper. Flavonoids: The ethanolic extract of propolis (EEP) was shown in bacterial plate cultures to be effective in inhibiting the growth of a Staphylococcus aureus strain that has become resistant to the antibiotic methillicin (Grange and Davey, 1990). Furthermore, EEP was found to preferentially inhibit cocci and Gram-positive rods at a concentration of 3 mg/ml. The researchers speculate that the active compounds in EEP include the flavonoid galangin (3,5,7- trihydroxyflavone) and caffeic acid phenethyl ester (CAPE), and that synergisms may be occurring since single components have reduced inhibitory effect. The mechanism of action is thought to be an inhibition of bacterial DNA-dependent RNA polymerases by a water-soluble, UV-absorbing component of propolis (also, Simuth, et al., 1986). However, data was not presented which support these speculations. Further testing of individual components and then synergisms among different components is necessary to conclude the mechanisms of antimicrobial inhibition. Debiaggi, et al., (1990) tested the antiviral effects of five specific flavonoids: chrysine, kaempferol, acacetin, galangin, and quercetin (fig. 1). Using in vitro cell cultures, the replication and infectivity of herpesvirus, adenovirus, coronavirus, and rotavirus strains were determined. Chrysine and kaempferol showed a concentration-dependent inhibition of intracellular viral replication of all viruses tested but did not affect the infectivity of the viruses. Quercetin inhibited replication and infectivity only at relatively high concentrations (60 mg/ml), and finally, acacetin and galangin both had no effect on either replication or infectivity. It is unfortunate that the researchers did not study the synergistic effects of the five flavonoids. In a more focused study of flavonoid inhibition of viruses, Amoros, et al. (1992) observed individual and binary synergistic effects of flavonols (galangin, kaempferol, and quercetin) and flavones (chrysin, luteolin, apigenin, tectrochrysin, isosakuranetin, and pinocembrin) on herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) infection and replication in monkey kidney cells in vitro. They found that in general, flavonols were more effective than flavones at reducing the titer of viruses; however, they found that galangin was active while chrysin was not, contradicting the Debiaggi, et al. (1990) study. The authors attributed the contradiction to: 1) difference in strains of HSV-1, 2) difference in incubation time (48 hours less than Debiaggi, et al.), and 3) different assay parameters. Additionally, when two different flavonoids were administered together, significant synergy was observed, with all combinations of flavonols and flavones yielding a significant reduction in virus titer. Synergies often indicate different modes of action, but since the mechanism(s) of viral inhibition have yet to be resolved, the authors can only speculate. In summary, flavonoids have been demonstrated to have activity against bacterial reproduction and viral replication and infectivity. The flavonols appear to have a higher level of activity, and quercetin, kaempferol, and galangin appear to have the most activity individually. Synergisms occur among the flavonoids and perhaps with other components in propolis, but further research on the individual mechanisms of activity must be accomplished before synergisms can be understood. Caffeic acid phenethyl ester (CAPE): CAPE is another constituent of propolis with biological activity. In 1991, Su, et al. studied the toxicity of CAPE towards cells transformed with the adenovirus type 5 E1A genomic domain. This domain causes activation of transcription of cellular and viral genes, induction of DNA synthesis and mitosis in growth-arrested (differentiated) cells, and immortalizes embryo cultures. Clearly, the characteristics of transformed cells seem oncogenic. The results indicate that CAPE preferentially inhibited DNA synthesis and growth in AD5 E1A transformed cells, and at high concentrations of CAPE, transformed cells were killed. The mechanism of the selective inhibition is unknown but thought to be related with the transformed state. When cells were transformed with other genes such as Ha-ras oncogene and bovine papilloma virus type 1, they were also selectively inhibited. Perhaps transformed cells have altered cellular membrane functions or cellular physiology which permit CAPE activity. Further studies to identify the location and mechanism of CAPE activity will provide crucial information to the knowledge of the biology of cancer. In a follow-up study, Guarini, et al. (1992) determined the effects of CAPE on two tumor cell lines, human melanoma HO-1 and human glioblastoma multiforme GBM-18. The results were compared to those of other cellular modulators mezerein (MEZ), mycophenolic acid (MPA), and retinoic acid (RA). Furthermore, combinations of CAPE with these modulators were also studied. The astonishing results show that CAPE suppressed growth in both cell lines, induced differentiation in HO-1, and modulated the expression of tumor-associated antigens in both cell lines. In combination with MEZ, CAPE had a very strong anti-proliferative effect and was the only treatment which completely suppressed growth in the GBM-18 cell line (figs. 3 and 4). Although the results seem very exciting and promising, several key points are not answered in this study. First, the mechanism of action of CAPE is still unknown. Second, the researchers did not control for effects of CAPE on normally-dividing melanocytes or astrocytes. Finally, the effect of CAPE on other tumor cell lines has yet to be determined. Synthetic derivatives of caffeic acid esters (fig. 5) were also shown to have an effect similar to CAPE (Rao, et al., 1992). Methyl caffeate (MC), phenethyl caffeate (PEC), and phenylethyl dimethylcaffeate (PEDMC) were tested on 3,2'-dimethyl-4- aminobiphenyl (DMAB)-mutagenized Salmonella typhimurium strains (TA 98 and TA 100) and human colon adenocarcinoa cells (HT-29). It was shown that the more lipophilic PEC and PEDMC were more effective at inhibiting cell growth and DNA synthesis than MC, indicating that penetration through cellular membranes is important in the activity of the caffeic acid esters. Furthermore, these compounds reduced the activity of ornithine decarboxylase and protein tyrosine kinase, two enzymes associated with unlimited neoplastic cell growth and proliferation. Discussion: To make progress in applying natural products in medicine, it is essential to take a reductionist viewpoint. In the example of propolis, it has been known for hundreds of years as a folk remedy for curing infections, but even this knowledge is unacceptable when first, it is difficult to maintain a consistent source of propolis; second, one does not know how it works; and third, since the mode of action and the components are unknown, side effects are difficult to predict. The benefits of propolis, though, were difficult to ignore, and researchers began to study it at the reductionist level. By understanding the mechanism of action of propolis' individual active components, synergies can be predicted and understood. Furthermore, derivatives of the active components can be made which might yield in an increased efficacy. Two active compound groups of propolis identified with biological activity are the flavonoids and the caffeic acids. Flavonoids inhibit the growth of cocci and Gram-positive bacteria, and viruses. Quercetin, kaempferol, and galangin appear to be the most promising individual flavonoids, but their mechanisms of inhibition are still unknown. All the flavonoids have synergistic effects with each other and with other components of propolis, suggesting that their mechanisms of action are targeting different areas of the bacterial or viral machinery. Caffeic acid phenethyl ester was discovered to preferentially inhibit growth, inhibit proliferation, and even kill oncogene-transformed and tumor cell lines. CAPE was also found to induce differentiation and modulate the expression of tumor-associated antigens by the cells. However, problems with these results still exist. No further studies involving mechanisms of action have been published, although it is certain some researchers are actively pursuing this goal. Increased use of propolis components individually may result in the development of microbial resistance; therefore, it is necessary to also understand synergies. Most importantly, these propolis components have not been tested in vivo. Further detailing of their mechanisms and effects may permit clinical trials with human subjects. If the components of propolis work in the human system, then their value to medicine will be invaluable. Flavonoids could provide an alternative antibiotic in situations where microbes have developed resistance to traditional drug therapies. Inhibition of viruses by flavonoids may mean a cure for the common cold. Cancer patients may be asked to add CAPE to their regimen of drugs to inhibit the growth and proliferation of tumors. Also, since CAPE modulates antigens on tumor cells, the effectiveness of immunotherapy will increase. References: Debiaggi, M., Tateo, F., Pagani, L., Luini, M., and Romero, E. (1990) Effects of propolis flavonoids on virus infectivity and replication. Microbiologica 13: 207-213. Grange, J.M., Davey, R.W. (1990) Antibacterial properties of propolis (bee glue). J. R. Soc. Med. 83(3): 159-160. Greenway, W., Scaysbrook, T., and Whatley, F. R. (1987) The analysis of bud exudate of Populus euramericana and of propolis by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry. Proc. R. Soc. Lond. B232: 249-272. Guarini, L., Su, Z.Z., Zucker, S., Lin, J., Grunberger, D., and Fisher, P.B. (1992) Growth inhibition and modulation of antigenic phenotype in human melanoma and glioblastoma multiforme cells by caffeic acid phenethyl ester (CAPE). Cell. Mol.. Biol. 38(5): 513-527. Hill, R. (1977) Propolis. The Natural Antibiotic. Thorsons Publishers Ltd., Wellingborough, 64 pp. Rao, C.V., Desai, D., Kaul, B., Amin, S., and Reddy, B.S. (1992) Effect of caffeic acid esters on carcinogen-induced mutagenicity and human colon ademocarcinoma cell growth. Chem.-Biol. Interactions 84: 277-290. Simuth, J., Trnovsky, J., and Jelokova, J. Inhibition of vacterial DNA-dependent RNA polymersases and restriction endonucleases by UV-absorbing components from propolis. Pharmazie 41: 131-132. Su, Z.Z., Grunberger, D., and Fisher, P.B. (1991) Suppression of adenovirus type 5 E1A-mediated transformation and expression of the transformed phenotype by caffeic acid phenethyl ester (CAPE). Mol. Carcinogen. 4: 231-242. (From Medline:) Authors Focht J. Hansen SH. Nielsen JV. van den Berg-Segers A. Riezler R. Institution Bioscientia, Institute for Laboratory Medicine, Moers, Fed. Rep. of Germany. Title Bactericidal effect of propolis in vitro against agents causing upper respiratory tract infections. Source Arzneimittel-Forschung. 43(8):921-3, 1993 Aug. Local Messages +HEALTH SCIENCES LIBRARY OWNS TITLE--CHECK NUcat FOR HOLDINGS Abstract Propolis is a natural product of bees which exhibits an antimicrobial effect. In the study the existence of a bactericidal effect against several strains isolated from patients with infections in their upper respiratory tracts is demonstrated. In light of the use of propolis as a therapeutic agent in natural medicine for common colds and inflammatory processes this effect is discussed. Authors Rao CV. Desai D. Simi B. Kulkarni N. Amin S. Reddy BS. Institution Division of Nutritional Carcinogenesis, American Health Foundation, Valhalla, New York 10595. Title Inhibitory effect of caffeic acid esters on azoxymethane-induced biochemical changes and aberrant crypt foci formation in rat colon. Source Cancer Research. 53(18):4182-8, 1993 Sep 15. Local Messages +HEALTH SCIENCES LIBRARY OWNS TITLE--CHECK NUcat FOR HOLDINGS Abstract Previous work from this laboratory established that caffeic acid esters, present in the propolis of honey bee hives, are potent inhibitors of human colon tumor cell growth, suggesting that these compounds may possess antitumor activity against colon carcinogenesis. The present study was designed to investigate (a) the inhibitory effects of methyl caffeate (MC) and phenylethyl caffeate (PEC) on azoxymethane (AOM)-induced ornithine decarboxylase (ODC), tyrosine protein kinase (TPK), and arachidonic acid metabolism in liver and colonic mucosa of male F344 rats, (b) the effects of caffeic acid, MC, PEC, phenylethyl-3-methylcaffeate (PEMC), and phenylethyl dimethylcaffeate (PEDMC) on in vitro arachidonic acid metabolism in liver and colonic mucosa, and (c) the effects of PEC, PEMC, and PEDMC on AOM-induced aberrant crypt foci (ACF) formation in the colon of F344 rats. At 5 weeks of age, groups of animals were fed diets containing 600 ppm MC or PEC (biochemical study) or 500 ppm PEC, PEMC, or PEDMC (ACF study). Two weeks later, all animals except the vehicle-treated groups were given s.c. injections of AOM, once weekly for 2 weeks. The animals intended for the biochemical study were sacrificed 5 days later and colonic mucosa and liver were analyzed for ODC, TPK, lipoxygenase, and cyclooxygenase metabolites. The animals intended for the ACF study were sacrificed 9 weeks later and analyzed for ACF in the colon. The results indicate that the PEC diet significantly inhibited AOM-induced ODC (P < 0.05) and TPK (P < 0.001) activities in liver and colon. The PEC diet significantly (P < 0.001) suppressed the AOM-induced lipoxygenase metabolites 8(S)- and 12(S)-hydroxyeicosatetraenoic acid (HETE). The animals fed the MC diet exhibited a moderate inhibitory effect on ODC and 5(S)-, 8(S)-, 12(S)-, and 15(S)-HETEs and a significant (P < 0.001) effect on colonic TPK activity. However, the MC and PEC diets showed no significant inhibitory effects on cyclooxygenase metabolism. In an in vitro study, caffeic acid and MC showed inhibitory effects on HETE formation only at a 100 microM concentration, whereas PEC, PEMC, and PEDMC suppressed in vitro HETE formation in a dose-dependent manner. AOM-induced colonic ACF were significantly inhibited in the animals fed PEC (55%), PEMC (82%), or PEDMC (81%). The results of the present study indicate that PEC, PEMC, and PEDMC, present in honey, inhibit AOM-induced colonic preneoplastic lesions, ODC, TPK, and lipoxygenase activity, which are relevant to colon carcinogenesis. Authors Sud'ina GF. Mirzoeva OK. Pushkareva MA. Korshunova GA. Sumbatyan NV. Varfolomeev SD. Institution A.N. Belozersky Institute of Physico-Chemical Biology, Moscow State University, Russian Federation. Title Caffeic acid phenethyl ester as a lipoxygenase inhibitor with antioxidant properties. Source FEBS Letters. 329(1-2):21-4, 1993 Aug 23. Local Messages +HEALTH SCIENCES LIBRARY OWNS TITLE--CHECK NUcat FOR HOLDINGS Abstract Caffeic acid phenethyl ester, an active component of propolis extract, inhibits 5-lipoxygenase in the micromolar concentration range. The inhibition is of an uncompetitive type, i.e. the inhibitor binds to the enzyme-substrate complex but not to the free enzyme. Caffeic acid phenethyl ester also exhibits antioxidant properties. At a concentration of 10 microM, it completely blocks production of reactive oxygen species in human neutrophils and the xanthine/xanthine oxidase system. Authors Frenkel K. Wei H. Bhimani R. Ye J. Zadunaisky JA. Huang MT. Ferraro T. Conney AH. Grunberger D. Institution Department of Environmental Medicine, New York University Medical Center, New York 10016-6451. Title Inhibition of tumor promoter-mediated processes in mouse skin and bovine lens by caffeic acid phenethyl ester. Source Cancer Research. 53(6):1255-61, 1993 Mar 15. Local Messages +HEALTH SCIENCES LIBRARY OWNS TITLE--CHECK NUcat FOR HOLDINGS Abstract Caffeic acid phenethyl ester (CAPE) was isolated from propolis (a product of honeybee hives) that has been used in folk medicine as a potent antiinflammatory agent. CAPE is cytotoxic to tumor and virally transformed but not to normal cells. Our main goal was to establish whether CAPE inhibits the tumor promoter (12-O-tetradecanoylphorbol-13-acetate)-induced processes associated with carcinogenesis. Topical treatment of SENCAR mice with very low doses (0.1-6.5 nmol/topical treatment) of CAPE strongly inhibits the following 12-O-tetradecanoylphorbol-13-acetate-mediated oxidative processes that are considered essential for tumor promotion: (a) polymorphonuclear leukocyte infiltration into mouse skin and ears, as quantified by myeloperoxidase activity; (b) hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) production; and (c) formation of oxidized bases in epidermal DNA, as measured by 5-hydroxymethyluracil and 8-hydroxylguanine. A 0.5-nmol dose of CAPE suppresses the oxidative burst of human polymorphonuclear leukocytes by 50%. At higher doses (1-10 mumol), CAPE inhibits edema and ornithine decarboxylase induction in CD-1 and SENCAR mice. Interestingly, we discovered that 12-O-tetradecanoylphorbol-13-acetate-induced H2O2 production in bovine lenses also is inhibited by CAPE. Cumulatively, these findings point to CAPE as being a potent chemopreventive agent, which may be useful in combating diseases with strong inflammatory and/or oxidative stress components, i.e., various types of cancer and possibly cataract development. Authors Guarini L. Su ZZ. Zucker S. Lin J. Grunberger D. Fisher PB. Institution Division of Pediatric Hematology/Oncology, Columbia University, College of Physicians and Surgeons, New York, New York 10032. Title Growth inhibition and modulation of antigenic phenotype in human melanoma and glioblastoma multiforme cells by caffeic acid phenethyl ester (CAPE) [published erratum appears in Cell Mol Biol 1992 Sep;38(6):615]. Source Cellular & Molecular Biology. 38(5):513-27, 1992 Aug. Local Messages +HEALTH SCIENCES LIBRARY OWNS TITLE--CHECK NUcat FOR HOLDINGS Abstract The active component of the honeybee hive product propolis, caffeic acid phenethyl ester (CAPE), has been shown to display increased toxicity toward various oncogene-transformed cell lines in comparison with their untransformed counterparts (Su et al., 4: 231-242, 1991). This observation provides support for the concept that it is the transformed phenotype which is specifically sensitive to CAPE. In the present study, we have determined the effect of CAPE on the growth and antigenic phenotype of a human melanoma cell line, HO-1, and a human glioblastoma multiforme cell line, GBM-18. For comparison, we have also tested the effects of mezerein (MEZ), mycophenolic acid (MPA) and retinoic acid (RA), which can differentially modulate growth, differentiation and the antigenic phenotype in these human tumor cell lines. Growth of both cell lines was suppressed by CAPE in a dose-dependent fashion, with HO-1 cells being more sensitive than GBM-18 cells. The antiproliferative effect of CAPE was enhanced in both cell types if CAPE and MEZ were used in combination. Growth suppression was associated with morphological changes in H0-1 cells, suggesting induction of a more differentiated phenotype. CAPE also differentially modulated the expression of several antigens on the surface of the two tumor cell lines. These results suggest a potential role for CAPE as an antitumor agent, an antigenic modulating agent and possibly a differentiation inducing agent. Authors Rao CV. Desai D. Kaul B. Amin S. Reddy BS. Institution Division of Nutritional Carcinogenesis, American Health Foundation, Valhalla, New York. Title Effect of caffeic acid esters on carcinogen-induced mutagenicity and human colon adenocarcinoma cell growth. Source Chemico-Biological Interactions. 84(3):277-90, 1992 Nov 16. Local Messages +HEALTH SCIENCES LIBRARY OWNS TITLE--CHECK NUcat FOR HOLDINGS Abstract Propolis, a honey bee hive product, is thought to exhibit a broad spectrum of activities including antibiotic, antiviral, anti-inflammatory and tumor growth inhibition; some of the observed biological activities may be due to caffeic acid (cinnamic acid) esters that are present in propolis. In the present study we synthesized three caffeic acid esters, namely methyl caffeate (MC), phenylethyl caffeate (PEC) and phenylethyl dimethylcaffeate (PEDMC) and tested them against the 3,2'-dimethyl-4-aminobiphenyl, (DMAB, a colon and mammary carcinogen)-induced mutagenicity in Salmonella typhimurium strains TA 98 and TA 100. Also, the effect of these agents on the growth of human colon adenocarcinoma, HT-29 cells and activities of ornithine decarboxylase (ODC) and protein tyrosine kinase (PTK) was studied. Mutagenicity was induced in Salmonella typhimurium strains TA 98 and TA 100 plus S9 activation using 5 and 10 micrograms DMAB and antimutagenic activities of 0-150 microM MC, 0-60 microM PEC and 0-80 microM PEDMC were determined. The results indicate that MC, PEC and PEDMC were not mutagenic in the Salmonella tester system. DMAB-induced mutagenicity was significantly inhibited with 150 microM MC, 40-60 microM PEC and 40-80 microM PEDMC in both tester systems. Treatment of HT-29 colon adenocarcinoma cells with > 150 microM MC, 30 microM PEC and 20 microM PEDMC significantly inhibited the cell growth and syntheses of RNA, DNA and protein. ODC and PTK activities were also inhibited in HT-29 cells treated with different concentrations of MC, PEC and PEDMC. These results demonstrate that caffeic acid esters which are present in Propolis possess chemopreventive properties when tested in short-term assay systems. -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 Ward Bldg. Box 213 Chicago, IL 60611 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!news.csc.fi!nokia.fi!dshp04!mustakal Thu Apr 21 23:30:44 EDT 1994 Article: 99 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!news.csc.fi!nokia.fi!dshp04!mustakal From: mustakal@dshp.ntc.nokia.com (Sari Mustakallio) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm trap, was Swarms decreasing? Date: 21 Apr 1994 10:28:43 GMT Organization: Nokia Datacommunications Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p5kgr$bd4@noknic.nokia.com> References: <2ou4th$950@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> <1169.26203@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: dshp03.trs.ntc.nokia.com In article <1169.26203@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>, jane@cork.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman) writes: |...> |> I put out a swarm trap this year, in hopes of catching a |> swarm, but I'm wondering if this might be a vain hope... |... Hi fellow bee keepers! I'm not a professional bee keeper and I have only one hive to get my annual honey :-) Therefore, explain me what kind of system is a swarm trap? I'd like to build one to have another hive too... Sari From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user Thu Apr 21 23:30:47 EDT 1994 Article: 100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keeping Bees in the City Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 13:45:50 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article , carpenwa@imd1.cbs.or.gov (William A Carpenter) wrote: > I have been reading about keeping bees for years, but never have had a good > location to have my own hives. Reading this newsgroup is encouraging me to go > ahead and keep bees anyway. I live in a small city in Oregon. Does anyone > have any pointers on keeping bees in a residential area? Thanks! Here are my thoughts: 1) provide some sort of fence/obstruction, possibly a hedge or something similar, to force the bees to fly up before they leave your property - if the bees are above head level, few people will notice them. The real trick is to locate the hives so that the flight path doesn't create a problem. Placing hives with a flight path across a busy sidewalk is not wise. The obstruction described above helps in a tight space by raising the flight path high enough to avoid problems. 2) The less visible your hives are, the better. Vandalism can be a problem. Don't know why, but kids seem to enjoy throwing rocks at bee hives...... Also, the less obtrusive the colonies are, the less likely you are to distress your neighbors. 3) speaking of neighbors, a jar of honey is a very valuable tool of diplomacy! 4) Provide a water source for your bees. Bees need water, and they *will* seek it out. Often times, the closest water source is a neighbor's swimming pool. This often leads to distraught neighbors! 5) just to be safe, I would discretely check for any local ordinances. I don't think that restrictive ordinances relative to bees are widespread, but they do exist. 6) Join a local beekeeping club! They can provide you with the best local info. I know of several urban beekeepers who do quite well, so don't let your "lack of location" deter you any longer! Your location is probably better than you realize. **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!crash!donb Thu Apr 21 23:30:49 EDT 1994 Article: 101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!crash!donb From: donb@crash.cts.com (Donald Bowen) Subject: Re: Keeping Bees in the City Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET/crash), San Diego, CA Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 14:53:58 GMT Message-ID: References: Sender: news@crash.cts.com (news subsystem) Nntp-Posting-Host: crash.cts.com Lines: 15 In carpenwa@imd1.cbs.or.gov (William A Carpenter) writes: >I have been reading about keeping bees for years, but never have had a good >location to have my own hives. Reading this newsgroup is encouraging me to go >ahead and keep bees anyway. I live in a small city in Oregon. Does anyone >have any pointers on keeping bees in a residential area? Thanks! A beekeeper in Spokane kept his is a backyard. He placed the hives in front of a tall fence with the entrance facing the fence forcing the bees to climb to higher altitudes. He said that this tended to disperse the bees and kept neighbors from bothering him. In San Diego, bees must be kept 600 feet from a neighbors house. DonB From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:28:35 EDT 1994 Article: 102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Bee Newsletter Info (fwd) Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 19:12:13 GMT Lines: 36 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 02:37:24 LCL Reply-To: Charles Howe Subject: Sharing newsletter material In the few months I have been on the BEE-L list I have encountered three other newsletter editors. I suspect there may be more. I am constantly looking for fresh material for the Connecticut Honey Bee and a couple of people have graciously allowed me to use their material. I suspect other newsletter editors are constantly "beating the bushes" looking for material as I do. Therefore, I have created a list of material which I can share with others. I have tried to select the material most generic in nature, considering a world-wide audience. My list contains ascii text files of stories which have appeared in the Connecticut Honey Bee and TIF graphics files which I have used. My list is about 7KB long so I am not posting it here to clutter everyone's mail box. I will send it to anyone requesting it. Please understand if I do not respond quickly. This is a busy time of year for me, preparing for pollination, etc. I may get more reponses than I can answer immediately. ----------------------------------------- | Chuck Howe - Editor | | Connecticut Honey Bee | | INTERNET - CHOWE@CTHONEYBEE.WIN.NET | | COMPUSERVE - 72726.1437@COMPUSERVE.COM | ----------------------------------------- -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 Tue Apr 26 22:28:39 EDT 1994 Article: 103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I reduce an over abundant hive? Date: 21 Apr 94 07:15:05 EST Organization: University of Scranton Lines: 18 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1994Apr21.071505.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> References: <2p2a6d$h2u@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.cs.uofs.edu In article , rah@netcom.com (Richard Hyde) writes: > As the bees chew through the newspaper they should become used to > each others scent and by the time they gain full access, the unification > should be peaceful. > > You should keep watch while this is happening and immediately remove > the donor bees shoud signs of fighting occur. With the hive closed and you outside, how do you figure out if it's a peaceful unification or not? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | Where a social revolution is pending and, University Of Scranton | for whatever reason, is not accomplished, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | reaction is the alternative. ddc1@SCRANTON | -Daniel De Leon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 Tue Apr 26 22:28:41 EDT 1994 Article: 104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Florida Extension Newsletter Date: 21 Apr 94 07:20:30 EST Organization: University of Scranton Lines: 281 Message-ID: <1994Apr21.072030.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.cs.uofs.edu Somebody asked about newsletters last week...This is the Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter posted with permission. I'll post them every month as I get them. Dave **************************************************************************** Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 12, Number 4, April 1994 FLUVALINATE INSPECTIONS Dr. Keith Delaplane reprinted an article from the December, 1993 Quarterly Update for Inspectors in Pesticide Enforcement, published by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)in his Georgia Bee Letter, January-March, 1994. As Dr. Delaplane concludes, the warning to beekeepers is self-explanatory: "Recently some of our State Programs discovered a problem of widespread misuse of a pesticide product by beekeepers. The pesticide fluvalinate...is now being used by beekeepers to control Varroa mites in beehives during honey flow. The particular formulation used was not approved for use in beehives, and there is no legal use of fluvalinate in hives during honey flow. "There is a formulation that is approved for use in beehives. The product Apistan is a plastic strip impregnated with 10% fluvalinate active ingredient. This formulation is more expensive, so some beekeepers have been soaking wooden sticks in unapproved fluvalinate formulations for use in their hives. Since beekeeping takes place to some degree in every state, all inspectors should be aware of this issue and take action where appropriate." [Editor's emphasis] NEW VIDEO With support of the Federal Extension Service, USDA and The Ohio State University Cooperative Extension Service, National Apicultural Program Leader for the Federal Extension Service, Dr. Jim Tew, has released a videotape which contains five (5) segments: Africanized Bees- Learning to Live with Them, color, 20:23, discusses the recent establishment of the Africanized honey bee population in south Texas. This includes interviews with the Apiary Inspection Service and commercial beekeepers about what the bee means to changes in apiculture in the Rio Grande Valley. Africanized Honey Bees- Destroying Africanized Bee Hives, color, 15:20, describes controlling established colonies of Africanized bees in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas. How to Get Started- Bees From a Building, color, 17:23, shows how to remove an established colony of honey bees from a building and install it into a modern moveable-frame beehive. The Sting- Ground Nesting Yellow Jackets, color, 5:55, describes the excavation and dissection of an underground yellow jacket nest. The Sting- The Hornet's Highrise Hive, Color, 8:11, discusses the bald-faced hornet's life cycle and nesting activities. This video is currently being added to the IFAS Audiovisual library at the University of Florida. It will be available through your county Cooperative Extension Office. Additional copies are available at $10.00 each from Dr. Tew, OSU Extension Bee Lab, OARDC/Dept. of Entomology, 1680 Madison Ave., Wooster, OH 44691, ph 216/263-3684. HONEY HOTLINE I have had two indications that the Honey Hotline, a service of the National Honey Board Food Technology Program, continues to be a source of information for beekeepers and others. I was able to quickly answer a beekeeper's request concerning honey storage after contacting the hotline. I simply called the 800 number (356- 5941) and was sent printed information on the topic. Dr. Robert Bates, Department of Food Science, University of Florida also received information concerning honey fermentation from Program. It is found in the Honey Hotline, No. 4, 1993. According to this four-page newsletter, the National Honey Board commissioned a study which recently was completed by Bison Brewing Co. (Berkeley, CA). The company developed five prototype samples of honey ale and stout. The report covered what adjustments are necessary in brewing beer using citrus, sage, clover and buckwheat honeys. In summary, the results include: 1. Honey should be added so that diastic enzymes (alpha and beta amylase) do not degrade the dextrins (non-fermentable carbohydrates) in beer, destroying the texture and body of the end product. 2. Yeast and bacteria in honey are generally not active because of the low water content. However, when honey is diluted for making beer, these microorganisms can grow and adversely affect the end product. Bison Brewing was able to perfect a method to pasteurize honey, preserving its delicate flavor and composition (176 degrees F for 2.5 hours under anaerobic conditions). After pasteurization, the honey is then cooled and added to the beer at high Kraeusen (peak fermentation). 3. Because adding honey will decrease the dextrins in the final product as discussed in number one above, the brewer should use higher saccharification temperatures (154 to 160 degrees F.). A lower original gravity in the wort is also suggested. 4. Honey is generally used in beer brewing because of its distinct aroma and flavor. A subtle flavor is contributed by using 3-10 percent honey per total grain bill and lighter honeys are recommended. At 11-30 percent of total grain bill, distinct flavors develop, and stronger flavored hops, caramelized or roasted malts, spices and other additions should be considered. Over 30 percent of total grain bill, the honey dominates the other flavors in the beer. Stronger flavored honeys in general are recommended because they give distinct flavors, even at low levels. 5. More investigation is needed in heating honey which produces furfurals and derivatives causing off flavors and in ensuring an adequate amount of free amino nitrogen (FAN) necessary to the fermentation process. In conclusion, according to the newsletter, honey is unsurpassed as an additive in brewing and this activity offers endless possibilities. More information on the research reported above is available from the National Honey Board Food Technology Program, P.O. Box 281525, San Francisco, CA 94128-1525, FAX 415/340-8568. For those of us that may not be in the micro-brewery scene, honey in beer brewing at first glance appears to be only a minor activity, not responsible for marketing much product. However, there appears to be huge growth potential in this area. According to the above newsletter, in 1992 there were 103 micro-breweries and 191 brew pubs in the U.S. The former are growing at 6 percent annually and the latter increased by a total of 15 between 1991 and 1992. In addition, nearly one million persons make 30-60 gallons of beer at home each year. Beyond beer, "New Age" beverages and those associated with sports are also good candidates for using honey, according to the newsletter. New Age Beverages are a $195 million market. They are defined as sweetened waters with a "good for you" attitude. Honey holds a "definite" place in a variety of beverage products such as Grizzly Ade, a preservative-free product which is naturally flavored with honey, produced by Pyramid Juice Company (Ashland, OR); Honey 'N Apple Raspberry and Honey N' Cranberry juices from Brookies Food Products (Coral Springs, FL), Barker's Tru-Fruit Juice from Anz-Trade (San Leandro, CA); and Honey Lemonade from Vivaleo (Dallas, TX). POLLEN BEES It is becoming abundantly clear that honey bees can no longer be looked at as the premier insect pollinator for all plants. Many other bees also go for the pollen. Some of these have been written up as "The Busiest of Bees: Pollen Bees Outwork Honey Bees as Crop Pollinators," in the February, 1994 issue of Agricultural Research. According to the article, of more than 20,000 known bee species, only six are honey bees (genus Apis). The rest are "pollen bees," sometimes called wild, or solitary, bees. These don't fit descriptions of overdefensive African bees, yellowjackets and hornets. Instead, the article says, they have "friendlier" names, including digger, sweat, bumble, carpenter, leafcutter, orchard and shaggy fuzzyfoot. The key to a pollen bee's fanatic work schedule, according to the article, is that it often is not around long and needs to quickly lay in a pollen load for its brood; some only have four to six weeks to do so. This is analogous to the energy output of salmon swimming upstream to spawn. Many pollen bees are also far more efficient pollinators than honey bees, because they specialize on certain plants. One example is the hornfaced bee (Osmia cornifrons), popular in Japan for apple pollination. This bee can visit 15 flowers a day, setting 2,450 apples compared to 50 set by the honey bee. Thus, apple growers only need 500 to 600 hornfaced bees per hectare (2.47 acres), instead of thousands of honey bees. This bee is being studied intensively at the ARS Beltsville Bee Laboratory. Then there's "buzz pollination." Many pollen bees literally vibrate the flowers, causing pollen to discharge from the anthers in clouds, the article says. Honey bees don't. For certain crops like blueberries, tomatoes, chili peppers, eggplants and cranberries, buzz pollination is important for optimum results. Carpenter bees and fuzzyfoots are adept at this activity, and their activities are being examined by Agricultural Research Service scientists at Tucson, AZ and Beltsville, MD. The goal is to develop artificial nests to make mass-rearing possible. Bumblebees are big business overseas because of their pollinating potential in greenhouse tomatoes, according to the article, and may soon be in the U.S. This is corroborated by a full-page advertisement in the January, 1994 issue of Fruit Grower. An inquiry for dealers in "maintenance free bumblebees," suggests there's money to be made by selling hives equipped with a special feeding cartridge, transparent lid, and closeable entrance. For information, contact Biobest Biological Systems, Llse Velden 18, B- 2260 Westerlo, Belgium, ph +32/14/23 17 01, FAX +32/14/23 18 31. Another potential blueberry pollinator in the West is Osmia ribifloris, according to the article. It visits a blueberry blossom about every three seconds, three times faster than a worker honey bee. Its life history is being researched at the Logan Utah laboratory for non-Apis bees. Not mentioned in the article, but just as important, is Habropoda laboriosa, the southeastern blueberry bee. The effectiveness of this insect and potential for its use in southern rabbiteye blueberries was written up in the January and February, 1991 issues of APIS. Although pollen bees are less efficient in certain pollinating situations, those involved in honey bees have little reason to despair. Apis mellifera continues to be the pollinator of choice for a good many crops because it can be managed, moved and manipulated to ensure large populations at specific times, something impossible for most pollen bees. Recent information about the scarcity of honey bees caused by infestation of the imported mite, Varroa jacobsoni, has also changed the pollination picture for honey bees. They can no longer be taken for granted, and like the pollen bees mentioned in the article, their most important protectors continue to be people. As the article concludes, it needs to be recognized that pollen bees (and by extension, honey bees) are a wildlife resource and valuable part of the environment. Scientists contributing to the article are listed as: Suzanne Batra, USDA-ARS Bee Research Lab, Bldg. 476, BARC-East, 10300 Baltimore Ave., Beltsville, MD 20705-2350, ph 301/504-8205, FAX 301/504-8736; Stephen Buchmann, USDA-ARS Carl Hayden Bee Research Center, 2000 E. Allen Rd., Tucson, AZ 85719, ph 602/670- 6481, FAX 602/670-6493; Philip F. Torchio and Vincent Tepedino, USDA-ARS Pollinating Insect Biology Research Unit, Natural Resources Bldg., Utah State University, Logan, UT 84332, ph 801/797-2520, FAX 801/797-1575. AHB MISCELLANY CITE Extension, Federal USDA Extension Service, reports that a third-grade reading level book on African bees has just been published by Dillon Press, A division of Macmillan. Entitled "Killer Bees," it is a part of the series called "remarkable animals." The authors are Kathleen Davis and Dave Mayes of Texas A & M University News Staff. Also reported was "Bee Smart Week," declared in San Diego County, CA March 21-26. This kicked off an intensive release of information and education on African bees, primarily targeting schools and employers. San Diego Mayor Susan Golding was even a caste member in a skit entitled "Bee Smart and Don't Bug Bees!" Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU ***************************************************************************** -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | Where a social revolution is pending and, University Of Scranton | for whatever reason, is not accomplished, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | reaction is the alternative. ddc1@SCRANTON | -Daniel De Leon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!trhan Tue Apr 26 22:28:44 EDT 1994 Article: 105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!trhan From: trhan@cac.washington.edu (Teri Rhan {FMO}) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I reduce an over abundant hive? Date: 22 Apr 1994 06:44:23 GMT Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing Lines: 68 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2p7ro7$ia6@news.u.washington.edu> References: <2p2a6d$h2u@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: shiva1.cac.washington.edu In article , Michael Moroney wrote: >In article <2p2a6d$h2u@news.u.washington.edu>, Teri Rhan {FMO} wrote: >> My packages bees from last year have increased in volume exponentally >> They are already 6 hives high and full to the brim. > >By "6 hives full" do you mean full of what? Honey? Bees? Brood? Yes, there is a large quantity of nearly fully capped honey (as of last sunday), bees covering every frame and across the top in every hive body accept for the top one, brood thruout the bottom 3 hives, varying in the 4th none in the 5th and 6th. >By "6 hives" do you mean 6 full-sized hive bodies? Regardless of the The top 2 are not full-sized but are the shallower super size. That's all I have left and frankly is all I expected to use for the season. >answer, I'm impressed. If you have mostly honey, harvest it and enjoy... >(if you can weigh it, I'm curious how much you have...) If bees/brood >you'll either get the ultimate honey harvest or a swarm from hell.. 2nd, 3rd, and 4th hive bodies were running 50-80 lbs., the rest much lighter. It's the swarm part that I really want to avoid. I put my city lot neighbors thru 3 swarms last year (my year of learning the hard way) and have had to bribe with mega quantities of Honey. > >> My buddy Jordan >> Schwartz who lives 1 block away and just started 2 new hives with >> package bees (initial setup this last weekend). Can anyone recommend a >> way(s) to pass some of this overflow onto him? I would still like to > >You may be onto some sort of "superbee" here, you definitely should try to >propogate this line. One way is to have your friend start a new hive from >yours. Take several frames of brood (including eggs but _not_ your queen) and >honey, place in a hive, add tons of your bees (since your friend is so close >you'll get most back) and start a new hive descended from your "superbees" >Great if you can supply it with a queen cell. Otherwise the bees in the new >colony will raise a new queen from one of the eggs. Or give him your queen >along with this, being sure _your_ hive has eggs or a queen cell, then your >hive will now be the decendent, this also reduces the chance of it swarming. >Check the beekeeping books on how to "split" a colony. > >You can just give your friend frames of sealed brood to help his hives >build up quickly. You can also add bees with the newspaper method but it will >be difficult to give your friends bees to bolster his hives since they'll drift >back. > >They may want to swarm soon, so you may want to do do something soon. > >-Mike Thanks for the tips Mike, Jordan and I are scheduled to figure out something this weekend primarily based on the advice from this newsgroup. We'll let you know how it goes if anyone is interested. Thanks again, Teri TERI RHAN Communications Engineering \Facilities Management Office trhan@u.washington.edu \Physical Plant Office FJ-10 Direct Dial: (206)543-7575 #336 \Design Division (206)543-8200 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!arco!convex!convex!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Tue Apr 26 22:28:47 EDT 1994 Article: 106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!arco!convex!convex!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I reduce an over abundant hive? Date: 22 Apr 1994 15:29:11 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p8qg7$k99@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com Michael, It sounds like you have a super or two of honey to take off. Congratulations!! Just FYI, I guess some beehive terminology is in order. A hive consists of a brood chamber and supers stacked on top of the brood chamber. The brood chamber may be the deep equipment, a medium depth equipment (6 5/8), or the shallow equipment...the brood chamber is just whatever equipment the queen has laid eggs in/raising brood in. Most beekeepers use the deep equipment for the brood chamber and stack the medium or shallow depth equipment/supers on top of the brood chamber. Many beekeepers use two deeps for the brood chamber and stack additional supers on top of the two deeps. A strong hive like you have certainly will fill two deeps up with brood. A super is generally just whatever equipment, be it deep, medium or shallow equipment, that is stacked on top of the brood chamber equipment. I normally use the deep as the brood chamber and either one or two medimums on top of that. As my older deep equipment wears out, I plan on replacing all my deep equipment and also shallow supers with all medium depth equipment for interchangeability Take Care, Dave M. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:28:52 EDT 1994 Article: 107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Questions from a beginner Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <2onnp0$4ic@news.u.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 11:28:42 GMT Lines: 25 >In article <2onnp0$4ic@news.u.washington.edu>, jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) writes: >|> 3) Are there any organic approaches to disease control (Nosema, >|> Foulbrood, mites, etc.)? I hate the idea of taking something as >|> beautiful and natural as honey and fouling it with chemicals. Is there >|> something I can plant in my garden? Some herb to cook in with the sugar >|> syrup? Anyone doing research on this? > USDA is doing final research on a control for both mites. This method employs THYMOL and other plant extracts. THYMOL is a chemical, and not "organic" in connotation, but USDA seems to be addressing your concern. USDA is also working on a control for AFB utilizing the fungus from Chalkbrood. Will post info. >|> The books I have seem to skip over these questions, so I'm hoping the >|> vast world of the net will be able to help. Thanks in advance... _The Beekeeper's Handbook_, Sammataro, Diana, and Avitable, Alphonse, 1986, Macmillian, N.Y. ISBN:0-02-081410-0 -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:28:53 EDT 1994 Article: 108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> <1994Apr15.065635.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <2osqfv$3tb@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 11:31:21 GMT Lines: 10 Try Lava. Adam -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:28:55 EDT 1994 Article: 109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: ARS NEWS --The "Yugo" Bee Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 12:09:42 GMT Lines: 64 THREE BREEDERS SELECTED TO PROPAGATE MITE-RESISTANT QUEENS May 1993--Three honey bee breeders have been selected to propagate new Yugoslavian bees that have resistance to two damaging mites, the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced. The Yugoslavian bees, Apis mellifera carnica, are the first insects that USDA's Agricultural Research Service has ever released for breeding, said Thomas F. Rinderer, who heads the agency's Honey Bee Breeding, Genetics and Physiology Laboratory in Baton Rouge, La. The three companies will maintain the Yugoslavian bee stock and sell breeder queens to queen producers, Rinderer said. The lab will send about 40 queens to each company-- Hybri-Bees, Inc. of LaBelle, Fla., Taber's Honey Bee Genetics of Vacaville, Calif., and John Klapac & Co. of Frederick, Md. They were selected by a Stock Release Panel comprised of ARS and industry representatives. Rinderer said the three will rear breeder queens that can pass along resistance to varroa and tracheal mites. "These queens will be sold to queen breeders. We've already had more than 100 queen breeders express interest in buying them," Rinderer said. The Yugoslavian bees--designated ARS-Y-C-1--have been under study since 1984 in a joint project between ARS scientists and researchers in the former Yugoslavia. The bees were first quarantined in this country in 1989 and later reared for field tests before being released to the three breeders. The bees are twice as resistant to varroa mites as susceptible domestic bees, but would still require some chemicals to control severe outbreaks, Rinderer said. But the Yugoslavian bees are so resistant to tracheal mites that chemical controls for that pest probably would not be needed. He estimated that the resistant stock could save beekeepers $2 per colony in tracheal mite treatments. Domestic bees are susceptible to the two mites that have caused extensive losses since they were discovered in the United States in the mid-1980s, he added. The mites are considered a serious agricultural threat because bees pollinate billions of dollars worth of crops each year as they move among plants in search of nectar and pollen. Three chemicals are registered to control the mites: menthol and amitraz for tracheal mites, and fluvalinate for varroa. A fourth chemical, formic acid, is pending approval for use against both mites. Queen breeders interested in buying breeder queens of the new stock can contact the companies at the following addresses: Hybri-Bees, Inc., 471 N. Lee Street, LaBelle, Fla. 33935; Taber's Honey Bee Genetics, P.O. Box 1672, Vacaville, Calif. 95696; and John Klapac & Co., 5016 Shookstown Road, Frederick, Md. 21702. Sean Adams USDA Agricultural Research Service sadams@asrr.arsusda.gov Amitraz (Miticur) is no longer registered -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:28:58 EDT 1994 Article: 110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: ARS NEWS --New Control for AFB? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 12:16:17 GMT Lines: 109 BEE FUNGUS LEADS TO NEW CONTROL FOR HONEY BEE DISEASES Contact: Dr. Hachiro Shimanuki, Bee Research Laboratory, Beltsville Agricultural Research Center, Agricultural Research Service, USDA, Beltsville, MD, (301) 504-8205. Dr. Hachiro Shimanuki never thought that one honey bee disease would lead to a cure for another. But that's what U.S. Department of Agriculture scientists discovered by surprise last year. "It was serendipitous, to say the least," said Dr. Shimanuki of USDA's Agricultural Research Service. "We were looking for a natural control for two serious bacterial diseases--and it came from a fungus that causes another, less serious bee disease." The natural remedy--a substance found in some crops--is also produced by the Ascosphaera apis fungus that causes honey bee chalkbrood disease, which infects larvae inside the bee hive. The scientists are filing a patent application on the discovery. In laboratory tests, the substance inhibited the growth of the two bacteria that cause European and American foulbrood diseases, the scientists found. They also said it poses no harm to the bees and would not harm humans. The surprise discovery didn't happen overnight, but only after more than a decade of research on New Jersey honey bees showed a curious trend in honey bee diseases. >From the early 1960s to 1988, scientists at the agency's Bee Research Laboratory in Beltsville were studying ways to control European foulbrood in southern New Jersey. The disease was widespread in areas where honey bees were used to pollinate blueberries and cranberries. During that time, Dr. Shimanuki said, researchers also discovered an increase in chalkbrood, which by 1983 had become widespread in southern New Jersey. But samples of diseased bees analyzed at our lab showed that, during 1980 to 1990, European foulbrood in bees from New Jersey declined drastically and was hard to find by the late 1980s," he said. "Meanwhile, chalkbrood remained constant in bees from that region." Further tests confirmed that the A. Apis fungus produced a substance that inhibited both types of foulbrood. ARS entomologist Dr. Mark F. Feldlaufer, of the Insect Neurobiology and Hormone Lab in Beltsville, later isolated and purified the substance. William R. Lusby, a chemist at that lab, identified it. "Both foulbrood diseases are found in all 50 states. Both infect honey bee larvae inside the hive and can kill the bees if left unchecked," Dr. Shimanuki said. The bacterium Melissococcus pluton causes European foulbrood; Bacillus larvae causes American foulbrood. "American foulbrood is considered the biggest disease threat to U.S. honey bees, causing an estimated $8 million in damage each year," he said. "Losses from European foulbrood and chalkbrood are unknown. In some states, regulations require beekeepers to destroy colonies infected with the diseases." Currently in the United States, only the antibiotic oxytetracycline is approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for controlling European and American foulbrood. "We are concerned that these diseases could eventually develop resistance to the antibiotic, so we need new, natural biological controls," Dr. Shimanuki said. The substance discovered by Shimanuki and colleagues could be fed to bees either as part of a sugar-water syrup or could be placed in hives in patties along with pollen and other feed supplements. "A new natural control for foulbrood diseases would help ensure an adequate supply of honey bees for pollination of important agricultural crops," he said. Nationwide, the value of honey bee pollination ranges from $1.6 to $5.7 billion a year, according to a recent study by State University of New York (SUNY) researchers. Each year, U.S. farmers rent about 1 million bee colonies each year to pollinate a variety of crops such as almonds, apples, alfalfa, apricots, oranges, grapefruits, melons, cucumbers, asparagus and broccoli, according to USDA estimates. According to the SUNY study, about 400 agricultural crops worldwide, including 130 in the United States, are pollinated, at least partly, by honey bees. The ARS research team includes Dr. Shimanuki, agency entomologist David A. Knox of the bee lab, Dr. Feldlaufer and Lusby. May 1993 --By Sean Adams, USDA-ARS, (301) 344-2723 sadams@asrr.arsusda.gov -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:29:00 EDT 1994 Article: 111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: ARS NEWS --Misc. Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 12:25:32 GMT Lines: 54 The following was taken from: U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH SERVICE QUARTERLY REPORT OF SELECTED RESEARCH PROJECTS JULY TO SEPTEMBER 1993 Dark-colored hives help protect bees against honeybee tracheal mites. That's because those nasty mites can't take the higher temperatures inside the dark hives, which absorb more sunlight. In field and lab studies, a temperature of 102 degrees F didn't harm bees but killed the mites. Tracheal mites have caused the loss of 50,000 honey bee colonies each year since 1988. After a three-month study, researchers found only one in 12 mite-infested colonies in dark hives still had mites, while 10 of 12 colonies in white hives remained infested. Lab tests confirmed that exposure for 48 hours at 102 degrees F significantly cut populations of mite larvae and eggs. Scientists say the reason may be that when hive temperatures rise, bees try to cool the hive by fanning their wings. This causes heat inside the bee to rise because of the action of wing muscles located near the bee's breathing tubes, where the mites live. One recommendation from the study: If honeybees are being bred for tracheal mite resistance, they should be kept in white hives or in the shade, so that heat and other environmental effects do not mask genetic resistance to the mites. U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH SERVICE QUARTERLY REPORT OF SELECTED RESEARCH PROJECTS OCTOBER TO DECEMBER 1993 If crops could sport warmer flowers, bees and other insects might spend more time pollinating them--resulting in higher yields of fruits or seed grains. That's the implication of findings by ARS scientists who measured temperature differences of up to 12 degrees F among some cocoa flowers. Pollinating bees were more active around warm flowers. A possible explanation is that those flowers may give off more of the natural aromatic chemicals attractive to bees. If the floral heat differs among crop varieties, it may be possible for plant breeders to select for the warmest trait when developing new commercial crop varieties. Sean Adams USDA Agricultural Reasearch Service Information Staff sadams@asrr.arsusda.gov -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!birdie-blue.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!rmr Tue Apr 26 22:29:04 EDT 1994 Article: 112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!birdie-blue.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!rmr From: rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski) Subject: Bee-keeping in Terry Pratchett books Message-ID: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: autarch-14.acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: UB Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 11:08:04 GMT Lines: 10 An open question: 1) Are there any Terry Pratchett fans on this group? 2) If so, did you start bee-keeping after reading T.P.'s glowing, heroic descriptions of bee-keepers? LVX Rick From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:29:08 EDT 1994 Article: 113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: a question Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <2p20phINNnch@umbc9.umbc.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 20:59:39 GMT Lines: 19 In article <2p20phINNnch@umbc9.umbc.edu>, smith adam wrote: >This is the question i have always wanted to get into falconry but i have >never really pursed the legal aspects of it. Is Falconry still allowed in >Maryland, i.e. can you still obtain licenses for the sport. >I would really appreciate any info people have. Just incase you are wondering >I would like to have either a Red-tail or a American Kestrel > >adam ...bees man, bees... Adam ( :) ) -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:29:09 EDT 1994 Article: 114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: African honey bees:How far North? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 19:05:34 GMT Lines: 25 From: Eunice Wonnacott Subject: Re: African Bee Range From time to time a family member who lives in Houston, Tx, sends me clippings from the Houston Chronicle, and occasionally from USA Today. >From this material I understand that Africanized bees were first found in Texas in the Corpus Christi and Brownsville areas, three or four years ago. The northward spread is slow, but continuing. It is anticipated they will be at least as far north as San Antonio, Houston, etc, this summer. Also conditions are right for them to also be in New Mexico and southern California this year. There is a lot of anecdotal material surrounding these bees. If anyone is interested, perhaps the Houston Chronicle could be persuaded to copy some of this material for the network? Or should I start looking up previous mail for anyone? I wonder if their progress is slow enough for them to adapt to the conditions as they migrate. There is also the possibility of crossing with more winter hardy bees, or just "hitch-hiking" on an available vehicle of some kind. Nice thought!!! Eunice W. "From the Cradle of Confederation" -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!das-news.harvard.edu!husc-news.harvard.edu!husc.harvard.edu!husc8.harvard.edu!wseltzer Tue Apr 26 22:29:14 EDT 1994 Article: 115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!das-news.harvard.edu!husc-news.harvard.edu!husc.harvard.edu!husc8.harvard.edu!wseltzer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keeping Bees in the City Message-ID: <2p9i2n$6ln@scunix2.harvard.edu> From: wseltzer@husc8.harvard.edu (Wendy Seltzer) Date: 22 Apr 1994 22:11:35 GMT References: Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA NNTP-Posting-Host: husc8.harvard.edu Lines: 18 In article , William A Carpenter wrote: >I have been reading about keeping bees for years, but never have had a good >location to have my own hives. Reading this newsgroup is encouraging me to go >ahead and keep bees anyway. I live in a small city in Oregon. Does anyone >have any pointers on keeping bees in a residential area? Thanks! I have had a beehive in my backyard in a New York suburb for about 8 years now and have never had any problems with neighbors. (Though one woman swore for a while that the yellowjackets around her house came from my hive! She was placated by a jar of honey, though.) The hive was basically hidden from view from the street by a hemlock hedge, so many people didn't even notice it. If you are close to neighbors, some sort of obstacle in front of the hive, as others have suggested to make the bees fly up quickly, is probably a good idea (we had a swingset for a while). Wendy From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!arco!convex!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!modem65.ucdavis.edu!ddtodd Tue Apr 26 22:29:15 EDT 1994 Article: 116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!arco!convex!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!modem65.ucdavis.edu!ddtodd From: ddtodd@ucdavis.edu (Daniel D. Todd) Subject: Mead? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: University of California at Davis X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 04:19:50 GMT Lines: 18 Any mead makers out there? I just got about 50 lbs. o' honey. I have a small (6gal) batch of cranberry flavored mead (Pyment?) And a homemade concoction of fruit ambrosia. It has oranges, oreange juice, apples, pears and grapes with about five pounds of straight honey, no other liquids. The mead was innoculated about two weeks ago and is still going strong, the ambrosia was just innoculated this afternoon and has visible fermentation. cheers, Dan ========================================================================= Dan Todd ddtodd@ucdavis.edu kc6uud@ke6lw.#nocal.ca.us.na Charter Member: Dummies for UNIX ------------------------------------------------------------------------- When radios are outlawed, only outlaws will have radios - David R. Tucker on rec.radio.amateur.policy ========================================================================== From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!csn!news.sinet.slb.com!news.london.sinet.slb.com!news.gatwick.sgp.slb.com!news Tue Apr 26 22:29:18 EDT 1994 Article: 117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!csn!news.sinet.slb.com!news.london.sinet.slb.com!news.gatwick.sgp.slb.com!news From: bokhorst@gatwick.sgp.slb.com (Karel Bokhorst) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis? Date: 22 Apr 1994 16:35:24 GMT Organization: Schlumberger Geco-Prakla Lines: 37 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p8ucc$b6v@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> References: Reply-To: bokhorst@gatwick.sgp.slb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: margana.gatwick.sgp.slb.com In article Gq0@netcom.com, rah@netcom.com (Richard Hyde) writes: >Karel Bokhorst (bokhorst@gatwick.sgp.slb.com) wrote: > >: It is well known that the kit (propolis) bees use to desinfect their >: hives can also be used for humans. It can cure/help to cure quite a few >: common illnesses. > >This is news to me. I thought that the promary purpose of propolis >was to chink holes in the hive. I suppose pine and other resins >would have some antibacterial properties, but it seems a secondary >function at best. > >I have heard anecdotal evidence that propolis has been used to >cure arthritus, but then so has copper and silver bracelets. YMMV. > I can assure you that it is a very good medicine for some deceases ( I use it myself quite a lot) Propolis is a natural antibiotic and therefore can help cure infections. I once heard that bees, because of there use of propolis, are the only animals who do not carry any bacteria around. This is very sensible as they live with thousands very close together and an infection would be disasterous. If you want to experiment with the stuff , for example when you have a sore throat or a cold, chew on a little piece of propolis for a while and you will see some result (hopefully) Mind you it taste horrible, but you get used to it. I know there has been a lot of research carried out in Eastern Europe and Russia but my Russian is a bit rusty these days so i cannot read the results. Cheers Karel From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!arco!convex!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!news.weeg.uiowa.edu!vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu!TDAHMS Tue Apr 26 22:29:21 EDT 1994 Article: 118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!arco!convex!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!news.weeg.uiowa.edu!vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu!TDAHMS From: tdahms@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu Subject: April 94 'BUZZ':Iowa Beekeepers Newsletter Message-ID: <1994Apr22.204204.6962@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> Sender: news@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (News) Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu Reply-To: tdahms@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu Organization: U. of Iowa - Weeg Computing Center Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 20:42:04 GMT Lines: 374 Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------- THE BUZZ APRIL, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------- A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------- STATE APIARIST REPORT With the warm weather we have had in March, the bees seem to be getting a strong start this Spring. The more reports I hear, the more encouraged I become about how the bees wintered this year. I would guess that the losses will average between 25 and 30 percent over the whole state, much better than last year. Several beekeepers are reporting only a 5 percent loss. To Do in the Beeyard: SWARM CONTROL - Because the colonies that survived are so full of brood, you will need to split colonies, equalize brood or make two-queen colonies to prevent swarming this Spring. Reversing the two hive bodies when the top box fills up with brood, honey and bees will also help discourage swarming. FEEDING - It is also a good time to feed the bees a light sugar syrup (1:1) or honey so they don't starve. Top feeders, frame feeders or frames of honey work well. Adding Fumadil-B or Nosema-X to sugar syrup will control Nosema disease which can retard the build up of colonies in the spring. I would like to really discourage open feeding, as this really spreads the parasitic mites around to all the neighboring colonies. Reinfestation due to close contact with mite-infested bees during open feeding could negate the effects of expensive mite treatments. DISEASE & MITE CONTROL - Be sure to treat all colonies with Terramycin powder or grease patties to prevent a foulbrood infection. If you know that you have Varroa mites or if you don't want to check your bees for Varroa mites, please treat with Apistan strips. Put these strips in as early as possible, so that the mite population is knocked down before the first honey flows. If you need help checking for mites or foulbrood diseases, call my office (515) 281-5736 to make an appointment for an inspection or send a sample of suspect material. Don't hesitate to call. Be sure to get out to the beeyard and look inside the hives. This is a great time of the year to work your bees. The weather can be pleasant and the bees are generally agreeable. Get the bees ready for that good nectar flow we're going to have starting in June. A HONEY OF A VERSE "Pleasant words are as a honeycomb, Sweet to the soul and health to the bones." (Proverbs 16:24) HONEY AVAILABLE IN DES MOINES AREA GROCERY STORES March 1 & 2, 1994 The average price for a 12 ounce clover honey bear was $1.40 and ranged from $0.99 to $1.79 at 30 Des Moines area large grocery stores. Busy Bee was usually the lowest price and Sue Bee the highest, with the local beekeepers somewhere in between. Only one store did not have 12 ounce honey bears for sale. All stores offered liquid honey for sale. Many stores were running a $0.99 special on Sue Bee's 12 ounce cylinders and two stores had a $0.99 special on Sue Bee's 12 ounce Bears. The average price for a 16 ounce jar or plastic skep of clover honey was $1.82 and ranged from $1.39 to $2.17. The lowest prices on honey were store or generic brands of dark honey in 24 or 32 ounce sizes. Some of these larger jars of honey were partly crystallized. Specialty honey products brought the highest prices. Melissa's 12 ounce square section comb honey sold for $4.49. Imported and domestic honey creme spreads in fancy 8 ounce jars brought over $4.00 per pound. Many stores carried Sue Bee's and Busy Bee's creamed honey in a 16 ounce tub. One brand of honey-butter and cinnamon honey-butter in 7 1/2 ounce tubs was found in three stores but it looked as though it was being discontinued. Honey identified by floral source brought a premium price also. Basswood honey in 8 ounce jars sold in two stores for $1.49 and buckwheat honey for $1.99. Tupelo honey in one-pound jars was priced at $3.09 and Orange blossom at $2.49. Some darker colored honeys were labelled as "Wildflower" and usually commanded a higher price. Cut comb was only available in two of the stores. One brand of cut comb honey was solid crystallized. One brand of combination comb honey/liquid honey from Georgia was offered for sale. This honey was partly crystallized. Only twelve of thirty stores offered a local Iowa honey for sale. Five Iowa beekeepers besides Sue Bee offered honey for sale. In addition, five honey packers from Wisconsin and one each from Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Kansas offered honey for sale. Honey was located on the top shelf in all the stores but one. In that store the honey was on the bottom shelf. The width of shelf space occupied by honey was between two and five feet. TED GRUENHAGEN PASSES AWAY Lifetime member of IHPA, Ted Gruenhagen of Davenport, passed away February 2, 1994. He had been in a nursing home for four years, not being able to walk or talk after a stroke. However, he did look forward to Mrs. Gruenhagen bringing him the BUZZ or anything to do with honey to read. Ted was a real bee man for over 65 years. Many members remember Ted from the State Fair and the Mississippi Valley Fair. We will really miss Ted's leadership. Our sympathy goes to Mrs. Ted Gruenhagen and the rest of the family. Dear Fellow Beekeepers, The warm up this past week really put me in the mood to work bees. We had to walk into a couple of yards but the exercise was good for us, I guess. You sure find out in a hurry what muscles you haven't used in the past few winter months. Out of 150 colonies we checked, we found 63 dead. Those that winter killed had starved. Some had honey on, but never got to it. Others didn't have any honey left. The colonies that were alive, were for the most part very strong and were raising a lot of brood. We made sure all had plenty of honey stores. Hopefully these will be fine until we start feeding (which we will do by the time you receive this newsletter). When we get these warm days, it's a good idea to check your colonies for feed. From now on we lose colonies for lack of feed. Honey is the best feed, but you can also use sugar water or high fructose corn syrup. Bob Cox has the following recipe for hard candy to feed bees: Hard Candy Feeder Boards Ingredients: 100 pounds sugar, 2 gallons water and 1 cup of honey. Instructions: Boil water and honey, then add sugar gradually until all is dissolved and boiling. Boil until mixture is about half foam and boil another 5 minutes only. Cooking time is about one to one and half hours with tank cooking on four gas burners. Yield: 5 candy boards (20 lbs.@ - about 2 inches thick). - Leroy Kellogg, IHPA President PROFILE OF IOWA BEEKEEPERS Listed below is a break down of the beekeepers on our mailing list for the BUZZ. These figures are approximate and only give you a rough idea of the make up of Iowa beekeepers. Class Number of beekeepers 1. Hobbyists 804 (one to four and unknown number of colonies) 2. Small sideliner 289 (5 - 99 colonies) 3. Large sideliner 56 (100-499 colonies) 4. Small commercial 16 (500-999) 5. Large commercial 20 (1,000 or more colonies) _____________ TOTAL 1185 FOR SALE: 20-frame stainless extractor, 40 and 100 gal. stainless holding tanks, stainless sump tank, gear sump pump, 100 deep supers, 200 - 6 5/8" supers, 90 queen excluders, 100 2-gal. feeder pails, stainless cappings melter, ca. 16 two-story colonies with bees, and other items too numerous to mention. SALE DATE: May 15 at 1:00 p.m. Dave Lambert, 8874 Metropolitan Heights, Dubuque, Iowa (319) 583-8958. FREE PAINT: Pick up at Metro Waste Authority Transfer Station, 4198 Delaware Ave. in Northeast Des Moines, 1:00 p.m. May 7th. 1993 TRACHEAL MITE SURVEY Out of 105 bee samples examined 70% were infested with the microscopic tracheal mite. Samples were either collected by the beekeeper and sent to the office or collected by apiary inspectors from several colonies in an apiary. Most of the samples had less than 15 percent of the bees infested (71% of the samples). However, 29% of the samples did have more than 15% of the bees infested. According to Department of Agriculture rules, any colonies with 15% or more bees infested with tracheal mites must be treated before sale or transport. Spring samples were more highly infested (16.0%) than samples collected during the Summer (11.6%). This could be due to normal mite population decline relative to the increasing size of the bee population or because Spring samples were sent to the office in an attempt to determine the cause of a heavy winterkill, whereas Summer samples were collected at random by apiary inspectors or a combination of both. The only product available for tracheal mite control is menthol. It is best to treat colonies in the spring, right now. Be sure to remove any remaining menthol before adding supers to the colonies. Using "grease patties" in the hive continually, year-round may also benefit infested colonies. When supers are on the colonies, these should not contain Terramycin antibiotic, only sugar and shortening. The vegetable shortening is not intended to kill the mites but does seem to help infested colonies tolerate the mite better than without it. The short term use of grease patties appears to be of little value for tracheal mite infested colonies. IOWA HONEY PRODUCTION LOWEST SINCE 1982 USDA/Ag. Statistics reports a 49 pound per colony average in 1993, the lowest per colony yield since 1982. Before 1982 you have to go back to 1948 for a per colony yield less than 50 pounds. Total production was 2,940,000 pounds from 60,000 colonies of bees in Iowa in 1993. These statistics are based on a survey of beekeepers with five or more colonies. U.S. honey production was 230 million pounds, up four percent from 1992. There were 2.88 million colonies producing honey in 1993, compared with 3.03 million in 1992. Yield per colony averaged 80.1 pounds, up 7.3 pounds from the 72.8 pounds in 1992. Prices for the 1993 crop averaged 54.4 cents per pound, down 1 percent from the 1992 price of 55.0 cents per pound. Prices are based on retail sales by producers and sales to private packers and co-ops. FOR SALE: Complete bee operation - 100 two-story hives with bees plus equipment for 150 colonies. Call Bill Eickholt (712) 225-5207. WANTED: 1 or 2 colonies of bees to pollinate a small apple orchard (1 acre) at 3880 NW 128th St. in Urbandale. Contact Ross Peterson (515) 276-4995. CALENDAR OF EVENTS APRIL 19 Southeast Iowa Beekeepers Meeting at Sirloin Stockade in Mt. Pleasant. Meal at 6:30 and program following. 22-23 Queen Rearing Short Course, University of Minnesota, St. Paul Campus, Call Dr. Spivak at (612) 624-2275. 23 Central Iowa Beekeepers Auction 11:00 a.m. at Kellogg's Honeyhouse in Cambridge, Iowa. MAY 7-8 Queen Rearing Short Course, University of Minnesota, St. Paul Campus, Call Dr. Spivak at (612) 624-2275. JUNE 11 IHPA Board Mtg. 1:00 p.m. at Royal Cafe in Huxley. 13 Eastcentral Iowa Beekeepers Meeting 7:00 p.m. in Montgomery Hall, Johnson County Fairgrounds, Iowa City 18 Central Iowa Beekeepers Meeting 6:30 p.m. at Royal Cafe in Huxley. JULY 23 IHPA/CIBA Summer Field Day at Riverside Church Camp, Story City, Iowa. Bee Laboratory from University of Minnesota will present program on queen management. NOVEMBER 11-12 Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting in Marshalltown. FOR SALE: 300 singles available in May $35.00; 1500 deeps, 200 - 6 5/8" supers, a 1000-gal. feed & storage tank & stand, 50 new 4-frame nuc boxes, 500 shingle covers, 400 migratory covers & 400 bottoms, honey drums, deep boxes (shells), sugar mixer for 55-gal. drum, 1990 F-350 5-speed diesel truck w/8'x12' flatbed, 18 h.p. electric boiler, 8'x16' flatbed for a straight truck, plus other misc. Call John Onstank, Creston (515) 782-9522. AUCTION: CIBA Annual Auction April Saturday April 23rd in Cambridge, Iowa, CONSIGNMENTS so far are Arvin Foell: several hundred deep frames, scraped, melted, and bundles in 10's, ca. 100 entrance blocks, stainless holding tank & other items listed later. Bob Mitchell: several 6 5/8 supers with 10 frames of foundation, other items listed later. Leroy Kellogg: ca. 150 - 6 5/8 supers with nine frames of drawn white comb. John Onstank: unsold items (see ad above). Roger Smith: 100 deep boxes (shells), repaired and painted, other misc. Bill Van Roekel: 10-15 deep supers with 9 frames of drawn comb. Tim Laughlin: 15 wooden pallets 42" x 72" (will fit between the wheel wells of a full size pickup). Contact Margaret Hala for consignments. 1988 Vine Ave., Marshalltown, IA 50158 phone: (515) 752-2981. Consignments will be made in the order received. FOR SALE: 24-frame extractor, galvanized, electric powered $525. Call Harry Hunter (515) 266-1984. FOR SALE: Bee hives, singles and doubles and some equipment. Treated with Apistan, Menthol and Terramycin in 1993. Mostly 1993 queens. Bottling business has grown and do not have time to run 1,000 hives. Most equipment in good to excellent condition. Call (608) 568-7601 Days or (608) 748-4706 evenings. BEEKEEPING INFORMATION SHEETS (Individual sheets available upon request from State Apiarist) 1. Africanized Honey Bees 2. Agricultural Diversification & Beekeeping 3. American Foulbrood Disease / Terramycin recipes 4. Basic Beekeeping Equipment / H-Frame Hive Stand 5. Beehive Plans - Drawings & Measurements 6. Beekeeping in the City 7. Beekeeping Supply Dealers Address list 8. Beeswax Production & Uses 9. Differences Between the Mites 10. Disinfecting Diseased Equipment / Comparison of Bee Diseases Chart 11. Extracting and Bottling Honey 12. Feeding Bees - methods 13. Honey Bees and Beekeepers - Pollination 14. Honey Bee Pollination of Fruits and Vegetables in Iowa 15. Manufactured Food Products with Honey 16. Marketing - How to Create and Maintain Direct Markets 17. Observation Beehive Plans 18. Solar Wax Melter Plans 19. Spring Management 20. Summer Management 21. Tracheal Mite Control 22. Tracheal Mite Detection 23. Varroa Mites: Biology, Detection and Control 24. When Honey Bees Become Pests 25. Wintering Bees in Iowa OTHER BEEKEEPING INFORMATION SOURCES BEEKEEPING BOOKS: ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture. 1974 Edition. A.I. Root Co., Medina, Ohio. 712 pp. The Hive and the Honey Bee. 1992 Edition. Dadant & Sons, Hamilton, Illinois. 1324 pp. The Dancing Bees. by Karl von Frish. 1953. A Harvest/HJB Book. Walter T. Kelley Co. Clarkson, Kentucky. 182 pp. 500 Answers to Bee Questions. 1978. A.I. Root Co., Medina, Ohio. 96 pp. How to Keep Bees and Sell Honey. 1983. Walter T. Kelley Co., Clarkson, Kentucky. 148 pp. First Lessons in Beekeeping. 1976. Dadant & Sons, Hamilton, Illinois. 127 pp. Beekeeping in the Midwest. by Elbert Jaycox. 1976. University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Cooperative Extension Service. 168 pp. Hive Management by Richard E. Bonney. 1990. Garden Way Publishing. Pownal, VT 05261. 152 pp. Bees and the Law by Murray Loring. 1981. Dadant & Sons. Available from Wicwas Press, PO Box 817-L, Cheshire, CT 06410-0817. 128 pp. Honey Bee Diseases & Pests. 1991. Canadian Association of Professional Apiculturists. Dept. of Environmental Biology, University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario, Canada N1G2W1 16 pp. Insect Pollination of Cultivated Crops Plants. 1976. S.E. McGregor. Agriculture Handbook No. 496. Out of print. 411 pp. BEEKEEPING PERIODICALS: American Bee Journal. Dadant & Sons. Hamilton, Illinois 62341. (monthly) Bee Culture. (formerly Gleanings) A.I. Root Co. Medina, Ohio 44256. (monthly) The Speedy Bee. P.O. Box 1038, Jesup, Georgia 31545. (monthly) The Buzz. Apiary Bureau, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Bldg., Des Moines, IA 50319. (monthly) Bee World. Internation Bee Research Association, 18 North Road, Cardiff, CF1 3DY, UK. (quarterly) Bee Science. Wicwas Press. PO Box 817-L, Cheshire, CT 06410-0817. (quarterly) NHB COOKBOOKS ARE HERE The National Honey Board Cookbook Sweetened with Honey -- The Natural Way is now available for purchase. The cookbook contains over 100 delectable honey recipes plus full-color, mouthwatering photographs throughout! The cookbook will be sold at supermarket checkout stands throughout the country this month at a cost of $2.95 each. You can sweeten your honey sales with this cookbook available from the Iowa Honey Producers or the National Honey Board for $2.50, including shipping. To order a single copy of the cookbook, send a check or money order for $2.50 to: Iowa Honey Producers Assn. National Honey Board Gordon Powell, Treas. OR Dept. BK 4012 - 54th St. P.O. Box 7760 Des Moines, IA 50310 Marshfield, WI 54449 (515) 278-1762 Call or write for prices for large quantities. HONEY CHICKEN 1 fryer chicken 3/4 cup Honey 1/4 c prepared mustard 1/2 tsp curry powder 1/2 tsp salt Dash of soy sauce Cut up fryer. Mix ingredients and pour over chicken. Bake uncovered for one hour at 325 degrees. Baste every 1/2 hour. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!ukc!eagle.ukc.ac.uk!mrw Tue Apr 26 22:29:24 EDT 1994 Article: 119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!ukc!eagle.ukc.ac.uk!mrw From: mrw@ukc.ac.uk (M.R.Watkins) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: apprenticeships/opportunities in the UK? Date: Sat, 23 Apr 94 11:53:09 GMT Organization: University of Kent at Canterbury, UK. Lines: 10 Sender: mrw@ukc.ac.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <8705@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.ukc.ac.uk Hello... I'm very interested in getting into beekeeping (I know very little, but am fascinated by the little I do know). If anyone knows of anywhere I can learn the basics, or enter into an apprenticeship in the UK (or Western Europe), please let me know. I'm quite practically minded, despite being trained as a mathematician :) . Thanks mrw From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail Tue Apr 26 22:29:26 EDT 1994 Article: 120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: spbcnsp@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Neville Steven Percy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: History of Beekeeping Date: 21 Apr 1994 18:50:51 -0500 Organization: University College London Lines: 15 Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <1994Apr18.171618.54640@ucl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu I was most surprised to see a beekeeping list come up in my Newsreader... Excellent! I am not actually a beekeeper myself -- my father is a beekeeper and I am a pretend Anglo-Saxon, and we have this little agreement about mead... (:> As an Anglo-Saxon peasant, I am our society's authority on period beekeeping, and am always keen to learn more... this represents another avenue of enquiry, and if it's a new list, I'm pleased to show my interest by contributing. | | |i | | ||O|/~ '__"`` ~~-- Nev Percy ; spbcnsp@ucl.ac.uk From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!veldhui Tue Apr 26 22:29:30 EDT 1994 Article: 121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!veldhui From: veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca (Phil Veldhuis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keeping Bees in the City Date: 21 Apr 1994 23:15:40 GMT Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 39 Message-ID: <2p71es$hsb@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca Well, if your really want to know if it is ok to keep bees in your neighborhood, phone up the local council/gov or whatever, and say: "My Neighbor has Bees, what can I do to make him/her get rid of them" If the answer is: "nothing" then go to it. If the anser is: "only if they sting you or something then take the right precautions. When I was in europe, I saw lots of urban beekeepers who keep hives illegally in the city by keeping the hives in small garden sheds or garages and the bottomboard had an entrance that lead to a hole in the wall. Like this: wall | ______ | | | | | | | |____|=====tube to entrance hive | | I think they had openings in windows or something to let out bees who escaped while the hive was open (to put supers on etc). A hole under the eve should do the trick. This also protects your hives from vandalism. In general, out of sight out of mind. Good luck to you! -- ------------oooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo------------- Phil Veldhuis | "if something is not worth doing, Winnipeg. MB, Canada | it is not worth doing right" veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca | Dave Barry (1985) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!olivea!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Tue Apr 26 22:29:32 EDT 1994 Article: 122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!olivea!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NEED INFO/FAQ for BEEKEEPING Date: 21 Apr 1994 15:13:44 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p6578$hbp@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com >My site just started carrying this group, so I don't know if it is new >or what, but I'm interested in keeping bees in the SE Wyoming area. >I've never kept bees before, so if someone could send me the FAQ or any >relevent information I would greatly appreciate it. >Thank you. >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Rich (rspillan@.gmu.edu) aka-"The Easyrider of Internet" >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hi, I am glad to hear that you are going to take up beekeeping. The best way to get started is to contact your local ag extension agent and find out what local beekeeping associations are in your area. You can also suscribe to American Bee Journal (Hamilton, Illinois 217-847-3324 - i.e. Dadant who also has a bee supply catalog, ) or Bee Culture (A. I. Root Medina, OH 216-725-6677), read the articles and advertisements and fan out from there. Rgds, Dave MacFawn From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Tue Apr 26 22:29:36 EDT 1994 Article: 123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Keeping Bees in the City Date: 21 Apr 1994 17:50:49 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p6edp$hhp@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com >I have been reading about keeping bees for years, but never have had a good >location to have my own hives. Reading this newsgroup is encouraging me to go >ahead and keep bees anyway. I live in a small city in Oregon. Does anyone >have any pointers on keeping bees in a residential area? Thanks! Several things come to mind with the most important two being locating the hives such that the bees flight path to & from the hive does not pose a problem with sidewalks, neighbor's yard, etc. If it does or you have a small lot, you may want to consider a fence / hedge in front of / around the hive(s) to make the bees fly up. Also, you need to make sure that the bees have a water source close to the hive...bees will go to the closest water source, even if it your neighbor's pool so you want to make sure you have a water source close by...one that is shallow or set-up such that the bees will not drown. I would recommend contacting your local beekeeping orginazation to see how some of the other beekeepers are handling bees in the city. If you don't know who they are, contact the local ag extension agent or the state department of agriculture. Some cities/towns have ordinances on keeping bees in the city, so you may want to call down to city hall. Rgds, Dave MacFawn From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Tue Apr 26 22:29:38 EDT 1994 Article: 124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis? Date: 21 Apr 1994 17:55:32 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p6emk$hhp@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com Karel Bokhorst (bokhorst@gatwick.sgp.slb.com) wrote: : It is well known that the kit (propolis) bees use to desinfect their : hives can also be used for humans. It can cure/help to cure quite a few : common illnesses. >From rah@netcom.com (Richard Hyde) wrote: This is news to me. I thought that the promary purpose of propolis was to chink holes in the hive. I suppose pine and other resins would have some antibacterial properties, but it seems a secondary function at best. I have heard anecdotal evidence that propolis has been used to cure arthritus, but then so has copper and silver bracelets. YMMV. Does anyone know if Kibo keeps bees? :-) Actually, I have heard of propolis having medicinal purposes, exactly what I have never followed up on. Behive Botanicals produces a line of products based on propolis...you can sell them your propolis. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!veldhui Tue Apr 26 22:29:39 EDT 1994 Article: 125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!veldhui From: veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca (Phil Veldhuis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis? Date: 23 Apr 1994 14:35:46 GMT Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 48 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2pbbo2$man@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <2p8ucc$b6v@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca In article <2p8ucc$b6v@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> bokhorst@gatwick.sgp.slb.com writes: [discussion of Propolis deleted] >I can assure you that it is a very good medicine for some deceases ( I >use it myself quite a lot) >Propolis is a natural antibiotic and therefore can help cure infections. >I once heard that bees, because of there use of propolis, are the only >animals who do not carry any bacteria around. Hold on a minute! Isn't AFB a bacteria infection? [checking] Yep! "The disease organism is a bacterium, Bacillus larvae. Infection occurs in the young larvae when they are fed contaminated food" (Vickery, The Honey Bee: a guide for beekeepers, Particle press, 1991) Sorry to burst your bubble. This is very >sensible as they live with thousands very close together and an infection >would be disasterous. Granted, AFB is disasterous >If you want to experiment with the stuff , for example when you have >a sore throat or a cold, chew on a little piece of propolis for >a while and you will see some result (hopefully) Mind you it taste >horrible, but you get used to it. I get the same results with leeches, only they taste horrible. :) Well, seriously now, I know that we sold a bunch of scrapings (mostly propolis) to a pharmacuticles company for research purposes a few years ago. Haven't heard anything about it though, so I assume they are either still testing it, or didn't find anything worthwhile. Anybody know anything about the medicinal value of "extracts" of hive products, rather than the pure thing? PHil. -- ------------oooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo------------- Phil Veldhuis | "if something is not worth doing, Winnipeg. MB, Canada | it is not worth doing right" veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca | Dave Barry (1985) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Tue Apr 26 22:29:41 EDT 1994 Article: 126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Keeping bees in the city Date: 21 Apr 1994 17:36:02 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2p6rk2$5qg@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com William Carpenter writes >I have been reading about keeping bees for years, but never have had a good >location to have my own hives. Reading this newsgroup is encouraging me >to go >ahead and keep bees anyway. I live in a small city in Oregon. Does anyone >have any pointers on keeping bees in a residential area? Thanks! Having been in the military for years, and living many places, I have the following good neighbor pointers. 1. Keep the bees flying up, put a fence high fence within a meter in front of the hives, it forces the bees up and out of sight. 2. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:29:43 EDT 1994 Article: 127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Poplar Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <2p0nus$blg@sixgun.east.sun.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 23:53:01 GMT Lines: 10 On the subject of supering w/foundation, it works wonders to alternate a drawn comb with foundation. The bees really draw out the foundation this way. Adam -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!arco!convex!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 Tue Apr 26 22:29:44 EDT 1994 Article: 128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!arco!convex!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-keeping in Terry Pratchett books Date: 22 Apr 94 08:01:53 EST Organization: University of Scranton Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1994Apr22.080153.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.cs.uofs.edu In article , rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski) writes: > An open question: > 1) Are there any Terry Pratchett fans on this group? > 2) If so, did you start bee-keeping after reading T.P.'s > glowing, heroic descriptions of bee-keepers? Ummm...who's Terry Pratchett? (i'd have to say no for me to both questions...) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | Where a social revolution is pending and, University Of Scranton | for whatever reason, is not accomplished, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | reaction is the alternative. ddc1@SCRANTON | -Daniel De Leon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!udel!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!post.its.mcw.edu!not-for-mail Tue Apr 26 22:29:46 EDT 1994 Article: 129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!udel!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!post.its.mcw.edu!not-for-mail From: aherlihy@post.its.mcw.edu (Amy Herlihy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: old hives Date: 22 Apr 1994 08:56:34 -0500 Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin; Milwaukee Wisconsin Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2p8l2i$g85@post.its.mcw.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: post.its.mcw.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] I am a beginner bee keeper, and lost my only hive to the winter of 1993. I packed up the hive (after cleaning out as many of the dead bees as I could) and stored it in my garage/basement for the past year. I ordered bees (3lb) for this spring. They should arrive in the next few weeks. I was wondering if I can put any of that old saved comb (and by now possibly fermented honey) on this new hive. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!tezcat.com!tezcat.com!not-for-mail Tue Apr 26 22:29:47 EDT 1994 Article: 130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!tezcat.com!tezcat.com!not-for-mail From: root@tezcat.com (Charles E. MacMillan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mead? Date: 23 Apr 1994 21:01:31 -0500 Organization: TEZCAT.COM, Chicago. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <2pcjtr$f6a@xochi.tezcat.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: xochi.tezcat.com In article , Daniel D. Todd wrote: >Any mead makers out there? > >I just got about 50 lbs. o' honey. I have a small (6gal) batch of cranberry >flavored mead (Pyment?) And a homemade concoction of fruit ambrosia. >It has oranges, oreange juice, apples, pears and grapes with about five pounds >of straight honey, no other liquids. The mead was innoculated about two weeks >ago and is still going strong, the ambrosia was just innoculated this >afternoon and has visible fermentation. > >cheers, >Dan A roomate and I made several batches a year or two ago, and I have been looking forward to doing so again. I recently recieved the last bottle of all of the batches by mail, after it had set in bottle for over a year. The taste was incomparable, rather reminiscent of a very fine champagne. We did not really know what we were doing when we started, but experimented with both heavier and frutier honeys. I believe that the makeup of the bottle I received was 50/50 of wildflower and clover. Most of the "grain" honeys developed an unpleasant odor. Then again we could have been doing something wrong with them, either yeast-wise or in the selection and pre-treatment of the honeys. Sorry if this might be viewed as a little off-track for the group. Maybe there is cause for a mailing list :-) Regards, -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ilixi@xochi.tezcat.com|info@xochi.tezcat.com|vox 312-8500181|data 312-8500112 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng Tue Apr 26 22:29:49 EDT 1994 Article: 131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pasteurized honey... Date: 24 Apr 1994 03:35:14 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Lines: 14 Message-ID: <2pcpdi$28h@news.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu Hello again, My colleagues at UC Davis did their honey survey again this year and found much of the people surveyed to prefer unprocessed "natural" honey from the same floral source. Does anyone know how honey from the supermarket is processed? Thanks, Paul -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 Ward Bldg. Box 213 Chicago, IL 60611 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:29:51 EDT 1994 Article: 132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: How do I reduce an over abundant hive? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <2p3skd$f48@sixgun.east.sun.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 03:56:35 GMT Lines: 9 I enjoyed reading your articles too! Adam -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!gumby!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!bootstrap.unity.ncsu.edu!wbm Tue Apr 26 22:29:53 EDT 1994 Article: 133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!gumby!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!bootstrap.unity.ncsu.edu!wbm From: wbm@unity.ncsu.edu (william b morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Address for BEE-L ???? Date: 22 Apr 1994 17:29:02 GMT Organization: North Carolina State University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <2p91gu$qo0@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bootstrap.unity.ncsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Could someone give me the listserv address for the BEE-L and any other bee related mailing lists ? Thanks, Bill ------------------------------------------------------------- William B. Morris (The Biker Poet) | William B. Morris Computing Center | P. O. Box 5163 Box 7109 | Raleigh,N.C. 27650-5163 North Carolina State University | Raleigh,N.C. 27695-7109 | wbm@unity.ncsu.edu | ------------------------------------------------------------- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!crcnis1.unl.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.edu!not-for-mail Tue Apr 26 22:29:55 EDT 1994 Article: 134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!crcnis1.unl.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.edu!not-for-mail From: lver@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Lloyd Paul Verhage) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie help Date: 22 Apr 1994 13:28:45 -0500 Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 5 Message-ID: <2p950t$gg5@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu I'm not a beekeeper yet, but would be interested. Can anyone recommend any intro books? Out of curiousity, what do you wish you had known before you started? Finally, stings!!!! How often and bad. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!callan Tue Apr 26 22:29:57 EDT 1994 Article: 135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!callan From: callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joel E Callan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pasteurized honey... Date: 24 Apr 1994 13:24:41 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 30 Message-ID: <2pdrupINNmae@uwm.edu> References: <2pcpdi$28h@news.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu >From article <2pcpdi$28h@news.acns.nwu.edu>, by pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng): > Hello again, > > My colleagues at UC Davis did their honey survey again this year and found > much of the people surveyed to prefer unprocessed "natural" honey from > the same floral source. Does anyone know how honey from the supermarket is > processed? > My gradfather was a beekeeper who occasionally sold his honey to "processing" plant (local). The plant would combine honey of similar quality (based on color, source of pollen and flavor). The marketed honey was not labeled differently (most likely due to costs involved, among other things). The result of the above was that you could pick honey by color (a good indicator of source of pollen, but not reliable). Seems that most consumers prefer a golden honey color (if you look at various lots of honey you will see variations in color). Note to sources of pollen affecting flavor: There is no way to certify that the honey is entirely based on one souce of pollen (though bees will seek out one good source of pollen over another available source during times of abundent pollen). All honey is actually a mixture of pollens collected by the hives. Beekeepers just locate the supers in areas where they have some control over the sources of pollen readily available (i.e. farmlands, orchards, where crops dictate predominant available sources of pollen). -- /`-_ e-mail: { }/ Joel E Callan callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu \ ./ 2909 N. 44th Street callan@convex.csd.uwm.edu |___| Milwaukee, WI 53210 callan@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!bobbyr Tue Apr 26 22:29:58 EDT 1994 Article: 136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!bobbyr From: bobbyr@netcom.com (Bobby Richardson) Subject: Re: Killer bees Message-ID: Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <140122Z19041994@anon.penet.fi> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 1994 13:30:04 GMT Lines: 19 an60222@anon.penet.fi wrote: : Hi all. : I don't hear a news on Killer bees lately. : Are they not a threat it used to be thought? : ------------------------------------------------------------------------- : To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. : Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, : and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. : Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. They are not such a threat as to require one to post anonomously! -- Bobby Richardson Atlanta, GA. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!csc.ti.com!tilde.csc.ti.com!cauldron!epcot!drogers Tue Apr 26 22:30:00 EDT 1994 Article: 137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!csc.ti.com!tilde.csc.ti.com!cauldron!epcot!drogers From: drogers@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Daty Rogers) Subject: Re: Bee Tree Message-ID: Sender: usenet@spdc.ti.com Nntp-Posting-Host: epcot Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> <2ou8lg$950@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> <2ouet0$qcv@news.u.washington.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 15:12:59 GMT Lines: 11 I used to visit a bee tree with my grandfather back in the mid 60's. It was in Dallas Tx alongside Arapaho Rd. just west of Hillcrest. I belive there are apartment/condos there now. It was on the way to his house, we'ed stop by and admire it, we did take some honey occasionaly(he just reached in and grabbed some comb). It got bulldozed down d8^(. I still think about it when I go by there. Daty Rogers 1905 to 1974, when cars had class, __o drogers@spdc.ti.com NOT computers! -\<, (214)995-9633 ___________three 67 Barracuda's_______(*)/(*) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:30:06 EDT 1994 Article: 138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Beekeeping software Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <2p12nh$blg@sixgun.east.sun.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 01:38:15 GMT Lines: 154 Two answers to your question: Bidata and Bibba 1. BIDATA: written by my Danish Beenet colleague Jorn Johanesson for the danish beekeep. ass., regularly updated, more a database then a spreadsheet, but with ample evaluation possibilities. Available in several languages incl. english. I quote from the manual: --------------------- 01/04/1993. 1. DEMO program: 컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴� Free program to get acquainted with Bidata. Works full blown( for 9999 colonies) for 90 days, then it closes down to 10 colonies. The following items will be disconnected in the configurations menu: * Beekeeperidentification (EDBi) * Lay down rules of calculation factors * Communication and modem * New start of the Bee Work Year * Change Language And the following will be disconnected in the Utility menu : * Editor/Word processing * Import of a friends datafile * EXport of data * Shell to DOS * Calling the Main Database * Pack the datafile to the Main database * Unpack the datafile from Main database * Order data from the Main database * Dumb Terminal Program This means that all what is needed for maintenance of 10 colonies is still there. All hivenotes can be retrieved AFTER closing down and only the number of families to enter hivenotes for, is set down to 10. No support is given, and the program will close down totally 01/01/1995; by then there will be a new demo to get hold of.( I hope :-) Please contact : EDBi Peder Kjaersgaard Rimmersvej 20, Gl.Rye Dk-8680 Rye ----------- Denmark Phone +45 86 89 86 42 about the 'MAIN DATABASE': 컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴� In Danmark there is a database with information on strains of bees, where users of BIDATA can exchange their data concerning their own queens. The purpose of this, is to create the possibility of locating a strain of bees with special properties. This can be very important for bee breeders, who want to incorporate those properties in their bees. Via the database they can contact a colleague who has a queen with the desired properties. This can lead to a fertile exchange of breeding material throughout the country. Inside Bidata this database is referred to as 'main database' ( hoveddatabase, hoofd database ). It can be contacted via the communication section of Bidata. Naturally, you also need a modem and a telephone connec- tion for this. AND you have to live in Danmark. So far, a Main database has been implemented in no other country. Its up to you and other users of Bidata in your country to take care of this. Please have fun. Regards, Jorn Johanesson. Denmark. ------------------------------------- 2. BIBBA British Isles Bee Breeders Ass. gave following description in their newsletter last year: ---------------------------- Computers in Bee Breeding Many beekeepers have computers, and some have applied them to their craft of beekeeping. If you have done so, then maybe your methods may be of interest to others, why not let us know. The production of forms for record keeping and the storing of records on disk are obvious uses, and I have a programme called FORM which I use for these purposes. As it is "Shareware", I can send copies to those interested together with the formats of forms I have designed for use with the programme. I have another programme called AS-EASY-AS, also "Shareware", which will handle data for morphometry, giving print-outs of data and graphs based on the data. An example of the graphs produced by this programme is on page 4. Both these programmes are only suitable for IBM compatible computers, with three and a half inch, or five and a quarter inch disks. Send a disk formatted on your computer, packed between two pieces of cardboard, with a stamped addressed envelope with your name and address to me at:- 11 Thomson Drive, Codnor, Ripley, Derbyshire. DE5 9RU. I have a more sophisticated version for producing data and graphs, this is a spreadsheet called "Excel for Windows", however this is not "Shareware", therefore I cannot send copies out but if anyone has this programme I can supply a file which has the format set up to produce graphs like those shown at the bottom of page 4. ------------------- Sorry the name of the author is missing,but you could try anyway( please refer to me and Steve Turner, our Beenet man in Britain' ) best regards, Hugo Hugo Veerkamp #################################################################### | BEENET INTERNATIONAL | | E-mail : | mail : the Bee bbs | | Hugo.Veerkamp@f28.n2801.z2.fidonet.org| P.O. BOX 51008 | | ( or press reply button) | 1007EA AMSTERDAM | | please send newsletters to: | The Netherlands | | BEE@HOTLINE.WLINK.NL | | | | | | Beenet : 240:31/0 | modem: +31 20 6764105 | | Fidonet: 2:2801/28 | voice: +31 20 6715663 | #################################################################### -- uucp: uunet!m2xenix!puddle!2!2801!28!Hugo.Veerkamp Internet: Hugo.Veerkamp@f28.n2801.z2.fidonet.org -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!arco!convex!convex!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!aio!usenet Tue Apr 26 22:30:09 EDT 1994 Article: 139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!arco!convex!convex!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!aio!usenet From: dlewis%jscdo6@jesnic.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Address for BEE-L/FTP sites Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <1994Apr22.193703.9256@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (USENET News Client) Organization: nasa-jsc References: <2p91gu$qo0@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 94 14:25:19 PDT Lines: 69 > From: wbm@unity.ncsu.edu (william b morris) > Could someone give me the listserv address for the BEE-L and any other > bee related mailing lists ? Found this on the net--I haven't tried it. My work is a little fussy about non-work related e-mail :-( The beekeeping listserv mailing-list bee-l. (BEE-L) To subscribe or unsubscribe to bee-l: send e-mail to: listserve@uacsc2.albany.edu To subscribe: in text of message type: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L To unsubscribe: in text of message type: UNSUBSCRIBE (or UNSUB) submit articles to: bee-l@uacsc2.albany.edu Since the creation of this group, I have learned quite a bit. At least now I can post something of use here (a little give for all the take). I surfed the net via archie using these key words: beekeep, bee-culture (nothing here), and apis. I've summarized the results here: (btw, the 4H archive at ucdavis was particularly helpful for me. It's a beginner's guide and I definitely am that. I'm moving back to Ohio this summer and know an apple orchard that I may go beg to let me put hives there next year.) ******************************************************************************* Host calypso-2.oit.unc.edu (198.86.40.81) Last updated 11:28 19 Apr 1994 Location: /pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture/beekeeping FILE -rw-r--r-- 308 bytes 04:07 6 Mar 1994 beekeeping.mailing-list Location: /pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture/beekeeping/newsletters/apis FILE -rw-r--r-- 14464 bytes 23:00 25 May 1993 apis-1-93 Location:/pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture/ discussion-groups/mailing-lists/1993-1994 FILE -rw-r--r-- 83131 bytes 18:00 3 Mar 1994 apis ************* Host ftp.ucdavis.edu (128.120.8.149) Last updated 10:32 19 Apr 1994 Location: /pub/extension/4h-youth/bee-keeping ************* Host nigel.msen.com (148.59.1.8) Last updated 20:50 9 Apr 1994 Location: /pub/newsletters/Bio/apis FILE -rw-rw-r-- 258 bytes 00:29 7 Jan 1994 apis-README FILE -rw-rw-r-- 11962 bytes 23:00 3 Oct 1992 apis-v10n06 ************* Host ftp.cic.net (192.131.22.5) Last updated 14:30 22 Jan 1994 Location: /pub/nircomm/gopher/e-serials/alphabetic/a/apis FILE -rw-rw-r-- 6821 bytes 00:00 16 Feb 1993 apis-1-93.gz From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!arco!convex!convex!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!aio!usenet Tue Apr 26 22:30:12 EDT 1994 Article: 140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!arco!convex!convex!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!aio!usenet From: dlewis%jscdo6@jesnic.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Address for BEE-L ???? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <1994Apr22.194739.10395@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (USENET News Client) Organization: nasa-jsc References: <2p91gu$qo0@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 94 14:41:39 PDT Lines: 68 > From: wbm@unity.ncsu.edu (william b morris) > Could someone give me the listserv address for the BEE-L and any other > bee related mailing lists ? I found this on the net--haven't tried it, though. Some people are a little fussy about non-work related e-mail :-( The beekeeping listserv mailing-list bee-l. (BEE-L) To subscribe or unsubscribe to bee-l: send e-mail to: listserve@uacsc2.albany.edu To subscribe: in text of message type: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L To unsubscribe: in text of message type: UNSUBSCRIBE (or UNSUB) submit articles to: bee-l@uacsc2.albany.edu I also did an archie search using the keywords "beekeep", "bee-culture" (nada here), and "apis". I condensed the results below. (FWIW, I found the 4H archives to be extremely helpful for the beginner (which I am). I'm moving back to Ohio this summer and there is an apple orchard that I may go beg to let me put a hive or two there.:) ****************************************************************************** Host calypso-2.oit.unc.edu (198.86.40.81) Last updated 11:28 19 Apr 1994 Location: /pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture/beekeeping FILE -rw-r--r-- 308 bytes 04:07 6 Mar 1994 beekeeping.mailing-list Location: /pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture/beekeeping/newsletters/apis FILE -rw-r--r-- 14464 bytes 23:00 25 May 1993 apis-1-93 Location: /pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture/ discussion-groups/mailing-lists/1993-1994 FILE -rw-r--r-- 83131 bytes 18:00 3 Mar 1994 apis ************* Host ftp.ucdavis.edu (128.120.8.149) Last updated 10:32 19 Apr 1994 Location: /pub/extension/4h-youth/bee-keeping ************* Host nigel.msen.com (148.59.1.8) Last updated 20:50 9 Apr 1994 Location: /pub/newsletters/Bio/apis FILE -rw-rw-r-- 258 bytes 00:29 7 Jan 1994 apis-README FILE -rw-rw-r-- 11962 bytes 23:00 3 Oct 1992 apis-v10n06 ************* Host ftp.cic.net (192.131.22.5) Last updated 14:30 22 Jan 1994 Location: /pub/nircomm/gopher/e-serials/alphabetic/a/apis FILE -rw-rw-r-- 6821 bytes 00:00 16 Feb 1993 apis-1-93.gz From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:30:16 EDT 1994 Article: 141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: How do I reduce an over abundant hive? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <2p3skd$f48@sixgun.east.sun.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 09:40:06 GMT Lines: 22 In article <2p3skd$f48@sixgun.east.sun.com>, David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center wrote: > A series of articles by >a deceased >bee research by the name Farr sp? was published in the American Bee Journal (ABJ) >last year. The articles are called: _Productive Managemeny of Honey-Bee Colonies_ By C.L. Farrar (meant this to go in last post--sorry) Adam -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:30:22 EDT 1994 Article: 142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: NEED INFO/FAQ for BEEKEEPING Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <2p6578$hbp@sixgun.east.sun.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 18:15:24 GMT Lines: 32 Ok folks, its FAQ time. Lets get this FAQ rolling. Starting in beekeeping Beekeeping resources a internet b books Honey production Pollination Pollen Production Queen Rearing Bee Biology Bee Pests a diseases b Mites African Bees Apicultural lore Apitherapy etc etc etc I'll be glad to receive any input or suggestions on FAQ material. Lets shoot for 5/94 as a date for the first FAQ. Send me anything you think should be on the FAQ and I'll write it up. Adam -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!world!kibo Tue Apr 26 22:30:23 EDT 1994 Article: 143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.religion.kibology Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!world!kibo From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) Subject: Re: Propolis? Message-ID: Organization: HappyNet Headquarters References: <2p0guc$85@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 09:24:03 GMT Lines: 13 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:143 alt.religion.kibology:28044 [sci.agriculture.beekeeping] In article , Richard Hyde wrote: > I have heard anecdotal evidence that propolis has been used to > cure arthritus, but then so has copper and silver bracelets. YMMV. I hear that the Weekly World News and New England Jornal of Medicine will, tomorrow, jointly announce that a mixture of Pop Rocks and Coke will cure arthritis. > Does anyone know if Kibo keeps bees? :-) I tried to keep bees, but they just buzzed off. -- K. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng Tue Apr 26 22:30:26 EDT 1994 Article: 144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Propolis? Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Apr 1994 12:37:41 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Lines: 25 Message-ID: <2pgdil$66p@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <2p0guc$85@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:144 alt.religion.kibology:28068 In article , James "Kibo" Parry wrote: >[sci.agriculture.beekeeping] >In article , Richard Hyde wrote: >> I have heard anecdotal evidence that propolis has been used to >> cure arthritus, but then so has copper and silver bracelets. YMMV. > >I hear that the Weekly World News and New England Jornal of Medicine >will, tomorrow, jointly announce that a mixture of Pop Rocks and Coke >will cure arthritis. Hey, don't knock propolis benefits just yet. Let's wait for current research on caffeic acid phenethyl ester before dismissing this folk remedy. BTW, there are several M.D.'s and well-respected bee researchers who believe in apitherapy. This is where you use bee VENOM for, say, arthritis. Regards, Paul -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 Ward Bldg. Box 213 Chicago, IL 60611 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng Tue Apr 26 22:30:28 EDT 1994 Article: 145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why does honey crystallize? Date: 26 Apr 1994 05:25:19 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Lines: 20 Message-ID: <2pi8jv$o2r@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu In article , Anthony Wallis wrote: (From DADANT) > the excesive material comming out of solution. .. Crystallizing > tendancy is related to honey composition and storage conditions; > some honeys never crystallize while others will do so within a few > days of extraction, or even in the comb. I would think that increased amounts of crystallization nuclei might also cause crystallization of home-packed honey. If there are tiny pieces of wax, bee hairs, etc. in honey with a high concentration of sugar, then it would be very likely that crystallization will occur. Regards, Paul -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 Ward Bldg. Box 213 Chicago, IL 60611 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nac.no!nntp-oslo.uninett.no!matsal6.nlh.no!user Tue Apr 26 22:30:30 EDT 1994 Article: 146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nac.no!nntp-oslo.uninett.no!matsal6.nlh.no!user From: () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Apr 1994 13:32:19 GMT Organization: UniNett Lines: 1 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2pggp3$9h4@ratatosk.uninett.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: matsal6.nlh.no Where do I get my first bee? From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nac.no!nntp-oslo.uninett.no!matsal6.nlh.no!user Tue Apr 26 22:30:32 EDT 1994 Article: 147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nac.no!nntp-oslo.uninett.no!matsal6.nlh.no!user From: joern.thoresen@student.nlh.no (J퓊n Thorsen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Apr 1994 13:36:25 GMT Organization: NLH Lines: 1 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: matsal6.nlh.no Where do I get my first bee? From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:30:37 EDT 1994 Article: 148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Varroa questions from Ormond Message-ID: Keywords: varroa, mite Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 14:30:00 GMT Lines: 60 Rob Bidleman recently wrote to BEE-L: >I requested several weeks ago that a few of you more verbose posters >reply to Ormond Aebi's question, I have filled >him in as best I could but promised I would get a second, third and >fourth opinion so he could more or less get a good rounded view of the >Varroa situation. I will ask again: I am not personally an expert in this arena, but will throw the following comments into the fray, for whatever they are worth! >When do the mites enter the bees? Varroa is an external parasite, so they do not "enter" the bee itself. Tracheal mite, on the other hand, is an internal parasite. The Varroa mite does enter brood cells to reproduce - is this what you are refering to?? Also, are you asking for the age of the bees or the age of the mites (or both?) >What in your opinion is the best single treatment for Varroa? In the USA, the *only* legal chemical treatment that I am aware of is fluvalinate (Apistan). I have heard of bio-mechanical methods (removing capped drone brood so as to remove the enclosed mites), but am unsure how effective this is. >What is the fate of the mites once bees are decimated in an area? I would assume that if the bees were truly decimated, then the mites would die off also. Actually, it seems to me that the bee population would have to be *eliminated*, otherwise reinfestation from the small, but remaining bee population would be a problem. In the USA, I would think it nearly impossible to eliminate the bee population in an area due to the widespread presence of managed colonies - beekeepers tend to replace bees that die off. Sure, the wild population might be eliminated by the mite, but the managed colonies can still be a "mite reservoir", providing a haven for the mites, and a source of re-infestation. Finally, I don't know what "alternative hosts" are around that could support the Varroa mite in the absence of honey bees. >Thank you in advance for Ormond. > > +%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+% > % robbee@crl.com box 721 healdsburg ca 95448 % > +%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+%+% Hope that helps. I'm afraid I posed more questions than I answered, though! Rick Hough, a hobby beekeeper with 9 colonies NE of Boston, MA, USA. "Ask ten beekeepers how to do something, and you will hear at least a dozen "RIGHT" ways to do it!" - overheard at a club meeting. -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:30:40 EDT 1994 Article: 149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Varroa questions from Ormond Message-ID: Keywords: varroa, mite Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 14:44:27 GMT Lines: 38 From: Aaron Morris Subject: Varroa answer In response to Rob Biddleman's query for Ormond Aebi about varroa, I don't claim to be an expert, but I'll be glad to pass on what I gleaned from a pamphlet distributed at our local beekeepers association (unfortunately, I no longer have the pamphlet and I forget the source, although I seem to recall that it's the producers of Apistan). I'm thrilled to pass on to Ormond what I know, in a small attempt to return what he has passed on to me through his book, which I thoroughly enjoyed! The life cycle of Varroa is such that varroa eggs and nymphs are laid/hatch/wait for their host in individual cells in the comb. When bee pupae are capped, the adult varroa attach themselves and hence are already on the emerging bee. The mites have a preference for drone cells, but I haven't a clue as to how they distinguish drone cells from worker cells. The only treatment I have used is Apistan (something Ormond would disdain). I lost two hives this winter (even though I treated in the fall) and dead mites were left all over the bottom boards. I would assume that once varroa decimate an area they will die off. Unfortunately, it would take MASSIVE die offs on a large scale to eradicate mites from an entire area. Even if one's entire apiary is wiped out, starting over from scratch gives no guarantee that there won't be mites in hives in the next county over. My question would be, how do mites spread from hive to hive? If the mites enter bees in the cell, then how does a mite-less hive pick up the first mite? The best guess I can take at this one is drifting, but that's just a SWAG. So, I've written what I know and have ended with a question. I hope this will help, or at least lead to a more boisterous discussion. -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!sdd.hp.com!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:30:42 EDT 1994 Article: 150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!sdd.hp.com!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Varroa questions from Ormond Message-ID: Keywords: varroa, mite Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 14:46:04 GMT Lines: 46 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 08:53:00 -0700 Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Paul van Westendorp 576-5600 Fax: 576-5652" Subject: Re: Varroa answer Aaron Morris' "Varroa Answer" speculates on the way a mite-less colony gets infested. Here in British Columbia, we have witnessed a progressive spread of Varroa from the most southern areas close to the US border northward. Due to BC's topography marked by mountain ranges running north-south, Varroa has been following the valley floors where bees are kept, and where bees are being transported. We have seen the typical 'leaps & bounds' phenomenon of finding incidental Varroa infestations in apiaries that by themselves are pretty isolated (from other bee populations) but are always close to the highway. Clear proof of infested bees escaping from trucks moving colonies from southern BC to the far north. The other form of spread is more localized but rapid nonetheless, which can only be explained through drifting and drone visitations. I commented sometime ago on the distance of flight of bees, and referred to research done by Tibor Szabo in the early eighties. Drones with free access to other colonies, coupled with their 'high motivation' (ie. sex drive) and physical ability to fly fast and far, are overwhelming likely playing a critical role as vectors of Varroa. Your question about how Varroa distinguishes between a drone cell/larva and a worker cell/larva is intriquing. I have often wandered about that also, but perhaps some chemical or pheremonal cues may play an important role. Paul van Westendorp Provincial Apiculturist BC Ministry of Agriculture Fisheries & Food 17720 - 57th Avenue Surrey, B.C. V3S 4P9 CANADA -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER Tue Apr 26 22:30:44 EDT 1994 Article: 151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER From: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov (Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate) Subject: Re: Mead? Message-ID: <1994Apr25.135532.18123@alw.nih.gov> Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Reply-To: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov Organization: DCRT, NIH, Bethesda, MD References: ,<2pcjtr$f6a@xochi.tezcat.com> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 13:55:32 GMT Lines: 13 For discussion of mead, you might want to check out the newsgroup rec.food.historic. There are a lot of SCA people on that group (Society for Creative Anachronism), and a goodly discussion of all sorts of foods that were known in ancient times - including those brewed foods. :-) There's also a .homebrew or .zymurgy group or two that you might take a look at. --------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Tate | "So he dropped the heart - MSD, Inc. | the floor's clean." fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov | - Sidney Harris From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Tue Apr 26 22:30:45 EDT 1994 Article: 152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Mead? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 01:06:40 GMT Lines: 15 There is some avid mead discussion in the group rec.crafts.brewing. Also there is a mead mailing list: mead-lovers@eklektix.com I _drink_ mead. : ) Adam -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!cis.ksu.edu!mac Tue Apr 26 22:30:47 EDT 1994 Article: 153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!cis.ksu.edu!mac From: mac@cis.ksu.edu (Myron A. Calhoun) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Can't reach jane@cork.swdc.stratus.com Date: 25 Apr 1994 15:27:16 GMT Organization: Kansas State University, Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 32 Distribution: usa Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: depot.cis.ksu.edu Sorry to waste net bandwidth, but I would like the following message (which had delivery problems--"connection timed out during initial connection with cork.swdc.stratus.com") to get through: To: jane@cork.swdc.stratus.com Subject: Re: Swarms decreasing? In sci.agriculture.beekeeping you write: >Has anyone in the Bay Area (yep, California) noticed that >swarming behavior is decreasing? My neighborhood used to get >a couple swarms every year, but they seem to be decreasing >over time. I lived in Menlo park from 1967-1971 and started my beekeeping there. One year I gave my name to the local authorities (police, etc.) and let them know that I'd remove swarms.... That spring I averaged two calls PER DAY! Very quickly my wife learned to separate the few where truly alergic to bee stings from those who were just scared, educating the latter and telling the former I'd get their swarm ASAP. --Myron. # Five boxes preserve our freedoms: soap, ballot, jury, witness, and cartridge. # Myron A. Calhoun, PhD EE; Assoc. Professor (913) 539-4448 home # INTERNET: mac@cis.ksu.edu 532-6350 work, 532-7353 fax # UUCP: ...rutgers!depot!mac Packet radio: W0PBV@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA -- # Five boxes preserve our freedoms: soap, ballot, jury, witness, and cartridge. # Myron A. Calhoun, PhD EE; Assoc. Professor (913) 539-4448 home # INTERNET: mac@cis.ksu.edu 532-6350 work, 532-7353 fax # UUCP: ...rutgers!depot!mac Packet radio: W0PBV@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Tue Apr 26 22:30:48 EDT 1994 Article: 154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pasteurized honey... Date: 25 Apr 1994 16:34:33 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 24 Message-ID: <2pgrep$ev@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <2pcpdi$28h@news.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) wrote: : Hello again, : My colleagues at UC Davis did their honey survey again this year and found : much of the people surveyed to prefer unprocessed "natural" honey from : the same floral source. Does anyone know how honey from the supermarket is : processed? : Thanks, : Paul : -- : Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) : Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 : Ward Bldg. Box 213 : Chicago, IL 60611 isn't it required to be pasteurized? i, too would like to know the answer to this question. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply