Article 30684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!stl-feed.news.verio.net!newsreader.wustl.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee venom Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:54:50 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3B66C6BA.49FCA1DE@okstate.edu> References: <3B64ADD5.9000501@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: galoot.ets.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30684 Taylor Francis wrote: > Is it really helpful for arthritis and joint pain? > I state only my own opinnion. My shoulders and hands don't hurt now since I started beekeeeping 3 years ago. I don't go out of my way to get stung but it does happen throughout the season. Have I been diagnosed with ruhematoid arthritis? No. But I do or rather have had joint pain for several years prior to my beekeeping. YMMV. Gary Johns Article 30685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: 9 vs. 10 Frames in Supers X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B683ED2.3BCBA3FD@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3B66C952.2429B0F8@sysadm.suny.edu> <3B670580.8DE88D13@nospam.boeing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:39:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 41 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30685 I noticed it. True, you reduce the brood areas by 10%. This is only my second year, bear in mind, but I kept 10 frames in my brood areas all last year and things get pretty crowded with propolis build up, burr comb, warping frames, etc. as the season wears on. All the more experienced beekeepers in my area run 9 frames in the brood nest. I was skeptical too at first but have revised my thinking and now I use 9 frames in my brood boxes. Firstly because of improved ventilation which is probably a bigger issue here in South Central Kansas than for you up in Canada (it's 102 here as I write this with 41% humidity). Secondly because it makes it easier to inspect the hive. My bees are doing better now than at this time last year but part of this may be due to my conversion to screened bottom boards as well. I'm not getting stung as often and don't need as much smoke. This was not the case last year. Besides, after you get the 10 undrawn frames drawn out on 10 boxes and reduce each to 9, you get another 9 frame box as a bonus plus a extra drawn brood frame. Did you figure that into your simple arithmatic? David Eyre wrote: > > One major problem nobody seems to notice, you reduce your brood space by > more than 10%. More bees, more honey. Simple arithmatic tells you it's > really not cost effective, better to run 10 frames in a 10 frame box. > Regards Dave..... > > -- > ******************************************** > The Bee Works, > 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, > Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 > 705 326 7171 > http://www.beeworks.com > *************************************** > -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 30686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: 9vs10 frames X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B683FDF.D2759A78@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010801073821.17417.00001656@ng-co1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:43:59 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30686 BeeCrofter wrote: > > In the brood nest they are put up tight shoulder to shoulder in the center of > the box when you run 9 frames. I run 9 in my brood boxes but I have been using a 9 frame spacer to space them evenly, so they are not shoulder to shoulder. Is this wrong? Why? -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 30687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!134.222.94.247.MISMATCH!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!ac919611.ipt.aol.COM!not-for-mail From: "Mark Blunden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK books on hive-building Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:19:44 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9k9dq6$3a0p7$1@ID-36588.news.dfncis.de> References: <9k7agb$2tsrb$1@ID-36588.news.dfncis.de> <49875365.0108010520.57df1e7b@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ac919611.ipt.aol.com (172.145.150.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 996686472 3474215 172.145.150.17 (16 [36588]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30687 "Andrey" wrote in message news:49875365.0108010520.57df1e7b@posting.google.com... > "Mark Blunden" wrote in message news:<9k7agb$2tsrb$1@ID-36588.news.dfncis.de>... > > My father has recently retired to France and wishes to take up beekeeping. > > He has done so before as a hobby several years ago, using some standard > > second-hand hives, and still has much of the equipment, but not the hives. > > He's asked me to look into getting some books on building bee-hives, as he'd > > prefer to build his own rather than buy new hives. Can anyone recommend a > > suitable book that I could get in England? > > Here is a good source on how to build Langstroth hive and bunch of other > stuff. > http://beesource.com/plans/index.htm Thanks very much for that link - it looks very promising. -- Mark. markdb@bigfoot.com * Hey, what does this button do? Article 30688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.panix.com!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: anyone had any west virginia buckfast bees Date: 1 Aug 2001 15:49:08 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <9k9mfk$sbt$1@panix2.panix.com> References: <4Hi97.21002$LP2.1260195@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <29081-3B661948-63@storefull-248.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 996695348 14375 166.84.0.227 (1 Aug 2001 19:49:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2001 19:49:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30688 In article , Michael Mcelroy wrote: >I have russians and italians and I am going to cross with buckfast then smr >queens to make a 4way hybrid with italian, russian,buckfast and smr . >Texas How will you control which drones fertilize the queen? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 30689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK books on hive-building Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <9k7agb$2tsrb$1@ID-36588.news.dfncis.de> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:42:37 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.219.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 996695157 62.255.219.136 (Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:45:57 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:45:57 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30689 On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:11:01 +0100, "Mark Blunden" wrote: > Can anyone recommend a >suitable book that I could get in England? http://www.bbka.org.uk/ -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis - smile until it hurts. Article 30690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!easynet-monga!easynet.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone laying workers Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:17:29 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 27 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 996668226 1899 144.32.85.141 (1 Aug 2001 12:17:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2001 12:17:06 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30690 Hi all, I have a hive that has lost its queen and now has drone laying workers present. The technique described to me was to: 1 Move the hive 200 metres 2 Place a nuc box with a couple of combs of drawn comb on the original site. 3 The flying bees will return to the original site but the laying workers will not. 4 After three days destroy the drone larvae in the hive and kill the few workers that are left as they could be the laying workers. 5 The hive can then be re set-up on its original site and a comb with eggs can be introduced so that they will use it to raise a new queen. I follow all that but I live in a urban area (York U.k) so the furthest that i could shift the hive is 10-20 metres. Will that be sufficient? Are there any other methods I could try? Thanks for any advice. Paul. Article 30691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: carsimex@mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK books on hive-building Date: 1 Aug 2001 06:20:20 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: <49875365.0108010520.57df1e7b@posting.google.com> References: <9k7agb$2tsrb$1@ID-36588.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996672020 28220 127.0.0.1 (1 Aug 2001 13:20:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2001 13:20:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30691 "Mark Blunden" wrote in message news:<9k7agb$2tsrb$1@ID-36588.news.dfncis.de>... > My father has recently retired to France and wishes to take up beekeeping. > He has done so before as a hobby several years ago, using some standard > second-hand hives, and still has much of the equipment, but not the hives. > He's asked me to look into getting some books on building bee-hives, as he'd > prefer to build his own rather than buy new hives. Can anyone recommend a > suitable book that I could get in England? Here is a good source on how to build Langstroth hive and bunch of other stuff. http://beesource.com/plans/index.htm Andrey. Article 30692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.cidera.com!radon.golden.net!not-for-mail From: "Igor Evsikov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Expresson calculator+grapher * unit converter/(MATRIX^COMPLEX) Lines: 63 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:22:49 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.183.151.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@golden.net X-Trace: radon.golden.net 996679370 209.183.151.54 (Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:22:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:22:50 EDT Organization: Golden Triangle On Line Inc. 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Changes: Added Periodic table of the elements More than 400 units in 20 categories Igor Evsikov ievsikov@flowpath.com Article 30693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!138.26.64.2.MISMATCH!localhost!cis.uab.edu!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Aug 2001 11:38:21 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: 9vs10 frames Message-ID: <20010801073821.17417.00001656@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30693 >Another benifit is you can pull frames out from any spot with the 9, unlike >the 10 were you have to remove a frame before you can begin an inspection I don't think so In the honey supers the frames are spaced evenly when you run 8 or 9 to get fatter combs. In the brood nest they are put up tight shoulder to shoulder in the center of the box when you run 9 frames. This leaves the room to pry the end fram towards the box and remove the 2nd one in. Remember alway start foundation 10 to the box shoulder to shoulder and centered. Article 30694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!138.26.64.2.MISMATCH!localhost!cis.uab.edu!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: carsimex@mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers over inner cover: the plot thickens Date: 1 Aug 2001 04:43:10 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 25 Message-ID: <49875365.0108010343.27a718c1@posting.google.com> References: <9k5663$i7t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <344b9345.0107310738.5f3933a8@posting.google.com> <3B670546.FA137B5A@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996666190 25141 127.0.0.1 (1 Aug 2001 11:43:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2001 11:43:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30694 AL wrote in message news:<3B670546.FA137B5A@hcis.net>... > Andrey wrote: > > > > After frames are clean put them in the freezer only for 48 > > hours even if you have to do it one by one and then pack it in the > > plastic bag closing tightly. > > > > Why? > > AL > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- It will kill all the wax moth if any alredy got in the comb or was there. Specially you have to worry about dark comb because wax moth prefers it over light color comb. Andrey. Article 30695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The God of Hellfire" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Unsociable bees Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:46:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.91.145.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 996698760 12.91.145.115 (Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:46:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:46:00 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30695 Hiya, I searched through the messages in the NG but didn't find anything that helped. Several times in the past, bees have stung people mowing my lawn. I understand mowers can upset them, so I didn't do anything about it, except to try to avoid certain areas and mow later in the day. Now, however, the problem's gotten worse. I was just out with my dog in the yard walking around and we were both stung quite a few times. I clearly need to get the bees removed. I have no idea where a hive might be - how big a problem is that for someone removing them? Also, the localhoneyforsale.com site didn't have any listings for Virginia. I live in Hanover Country not far from Richmond. Can anyone give me recommendations on where to call? I'd prefer having them removed to calling an exterminator. I'd like to know why they attacked like that, too, if you can provide some insight. And, lastly, suggestions on how to kill the pain would be much appreciated at this point. Thanks, Meriah... Article 30696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Labels Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:55:53 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3B680A69.2AA150FF@okstate.edu> References: <20010731190328.27095.00000930@mb-md.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: galoot.ets.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30696 Bill, I have ordered my labels from David Eyre at "The Bee Works". They are excellent labels. David gets his labels from Thorne in the UK. Not to undercut David but you can order direct from Thorne. They have a full page ad in the back of the latest Bee Culture. The advantage in buying from David is you can buy less than 1000 labels for a nice reduction in price. Thorne wants $40.00 f0r 1000. I think David sells his in lots of 100, I misremember at the moment. PS. I receive nothing from David or "The Bee Works" for this recommendation. Just a satisfied customer. Gary Johns Article 30697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk!paul From: Paul Tomlin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:39:40 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-405.cod.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 996701915 31966 217.134.29.149 (1 Aug 2001 21:38:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2001 21:38:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-6-U () Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30697 Just a question from a pair of beginners [with the caveat that we are seeking local advice too]. My wife and I have inherited all her father's bee equipment [he has become hyper-sensitised to bee venom], but not all of it is cleaned up yet. Last week we found a swarm nearby and got it in a box. That evening we set up a small hive for them, but we didn't have any brood frames ready [or any foundation to make any up]. Instead we just gave 'em a super as a brood chamber, a queen excluder and a super above. I know this is hardly ideal, but we thought that, when necessary, we could put another super in to enlarge the brood chamber, thinking this would be like having a brood and a half. [but in this case a brood and a quarter] ;-) What problems might this cause? BTW is there a FAQ for this newsgroup? -- Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] Remove nospam from email address to reply Article 30698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!138.26.64.2.MISMATCH!localhost!cis.uab.edu!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!news.uah.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ian Williams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feral Hive Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:15:15 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 26 Message-ID: <9k933j$2si$1@uranium.btinternet.com> References: <3b5f5478.92429342@news> <3b64b212.122591000@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-18-13.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30698 Hi Will I have been admiring your Pic of the Trashcan Bee Vac. Could you explain to me how you got the mob of very angry bees out of the vac to re-hive them? Ian (Wales) [freebeeuk@btinternet.com] <><><><><><><><><><> "Honey is sweet. Bees sting!" <><><><><><><><><><> "loot" wrote in message news:3b64b212.122591000@news... > Well, a friend and I pulled a feral hive on Friday. I think it was AL > who said drink plenty of fluids, hee, hee ,hee. Well, I believe I'd > been better off with an I.V. Everything went pretty smoothly I > believe. The bees seem to be adjusting. There was a little robbing > going on yesterday, but things seem to be quieting down now. I'm > going to post some photos as soon as I figure out how. Oh, by the > way, the bee-vac worked like a champ. I couldn't imagine doing it > any other way. I modified a trash can with a shop-vac in the lid and > a screen underneath a ways. I don't think it killed more than 5 bees. > I placed the comb in a plastic container then rubber banded it into > the frames later. If I had it to do over again, I would fix the comb > into frames as we went along. > > Will Article 30699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B682CEC.5208658E@hcis.net> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:23:08 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers over inner cover: the plot thickens References: <9k5663$i7t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <344b9345.0107310738.5f3933a8@posting.google.com> <3B670546.FA137B5A@hcis.net> <49875365.0108010343.27a718c1@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.6 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 996675481 66.20.227.6 (1 Aug 2001 09:18:01 -0500) Lines: 41 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. 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Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!138.26.64.2.MISMATCH!localhost!cis.uab.edu!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!news.stealth.net!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-dallas!news-in-dallas.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30699 Andrey wrote: > > > After frames are clean put them in the freezer only for 48 > > > hours even if you have to do it one by one and then pack it in the > > > plastic bag closing tightly. > > > > AL wrote in message news:<3B670546.FA137B5A@hcis.net>... > > Andrey wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > AL > > > > It will kill all the wax moth if any alredy got in the comb or was > there. Specially you have to worry about dark comb because wax moth > prefers it over light color comb. > > Andrey. I've never had wax moths in the supers, only in the brood comb. I've stored supers wet, dry, inside, outside, covered and kinda covered, and have never had wax moth infestation. I *have* had them destroy brood comb within a month of losing two hives, one was a Langstroth and the other was a TBH. I do freeze unused brood comb as you recommended. As I understand it the wax moth larva feed on the lining of the brood cells and have little or no interest in comb that has never contained brood. Either that or I'm just lucky. AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Aug 2001 22:24:34 GMT References: <3B683FDF.D2759A78@nospam.boeing.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: 9vs10 frames Message-ID: <20010801182434.17091.00001590@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30700 >I run 9 in my brood boxes but I have been using a 9 frame spacer to >space them evenly, so they are not shoulder to shoulder. Is this wrong? >Why? > You have lost your wiggle room and risk rolling the queen. Personally I dont like frame spacers in the brood box. In the honey supers I used to use a comb to space them but as they became fatter combs the shoulders got propolised and they now pretty much space themselves. Article 30701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!not-for-mail From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 vs. 10 Frames in Supers Date: 1 Aug 2001 23:14:06 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 31 Sender: jwg6@cornell.invalid (on syr-66-24-22-49.twcny.rr.com) Message-ID: <9ka2fu$cpu$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: syr-66-24-22-49.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 996707646 13118 66.24.22.49 (1 Aug 2001 23:14:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2001 23:14:06 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30701 The point made by one poster (more bees --> more honey) is moot, considering that most people run 2 or 3 brood chambers. A queen only needs the equivalent of 7-8 deep frames' worth of cells for her brood production, even when she is laying at her maximum rate. There is simply no way the removal of one comb is going to make one bit of difference. The main drawback to using 9 combs in the brood chambers, in my experience, is that the bees are sometimes apt to build swarm cells between the top bars of the lowest brood chamber, or between the combs, and they aren't discernable when one tips up the upper brood chamber. So you can miss them. All things considered, though, 9 frames in the brood nest makes things easier and makes for faster manipulations. However there should only be like 1/8" inch (or slightly less) between the frame end-bars. The majority of the extra space should be at the side-walls, and you can use lousy ("droney") combs at the outside two positions, since they are only filled with food stores anyway. In honey supers, nine, or (preferably) eight frames, evenly spaced across the box, will yield fat combs that reduce handling labor and are a SINCH to uncap, also yielding a maximum of nice light "lemon" yellow beeswax. This only applies to DRAWN combs, however. Try it with foundation and you will end up with a mess. Get foundation drawn 10 to a box the first time, so the combs will be straight, fully built, and even. Go nuts... Article 30702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:16:52 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3b688ccd.215528150@news1.radix.net> References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30702 On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:39:40 +0100, Paul Tomlin wrote: >Just a question from a pair of beginners [with the caveat that we are >seeking local advice too]. > >My wife and I have inherited all her father's bee equipment [he has >become hyper-sensitised to bee venom], but not all of it is cleaned up >yet. > >Last week we found a swarm nearby and got it in a box. That evening we >set up a small hive for them, but we didn't have any brood frames ready >[or any foundation to make any up]. Instead we just gave 'em a super as >a brood chamber, a queen excluder and a super above. I know this is >hardly ideal, but we thought that, when necessary, we could put another >super in to enlarge the brood chamber, thinking this would be like >having a brood and a half. >[but in this case a brood and a quarter] ;-) > >What problems might this cause? > >BTW is there a FAQ for this newsgroup? > >-- >Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] >Remove nospam from email address to reply The old saying goes: A swarm in May is worth a bale of hay. A swarm in June is worth a siler spoon. A swarm in July isn't worth a fly. One would then surmize that a swarm in August is going to cost you plenty. You will have to feed, feed ,feed and then they still probably won't make it. Starting now to build a large winter cluster is damn near impossible. beekeep Article 30703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!not-for-mail From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK books on hive-building Date: 1 Aug 2001 23:22:03 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 13 Sender: jwg6@cornell.invalid (on syr-66-24-22-49.twcny.rr.com) Message-ID: <9ka2ur$cpu$2@news01.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: syr-66-24-22-49.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 996708123 13118 66.24.22.49 (1 Aug 2001 23:22:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2001 23:22:03 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30703 Since he is in France, I would strongly recommend the Dadant or Voirnot hives, as opposed to the British National/Commercial or Langstroth. Single-brood-chamber management is simpler, and the hives would be more compatible with the popular French designs that are in more widespread use. Check out the web-site for Thomas (beekeeping supplies) if you want a basic comparison. It would also be worth purchasing one hive and then using it as a model for home construction. rgds jg Article 30704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying workers Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:45:54 -0400 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9ka4er$3ecqo$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 996709660 3617624 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30704 Paul, Move as far away as possible. Shake ALL bees onto the ground, make sure all frames are completely free of bees. blow out with leaf blower, or brush all the frames (this makes them madder). the non-laying workers will fly back (some nurse bees are lost, as well as laying workers). put hive back where it was and introduce queen in a cage. feed bees to simulate nectar flow to get them to accept queen faster. "Paul Waites" wrote in message news:3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk... > I follow all that but I live in a urban area (York U.k) so the furthest > that i could shift the hive is 10-20 metres. Will that be sufficient? > > Are there any other methods I could try? > > Thanks for any advice. > > Paul. > Article 30705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unsociable bees Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:53:14 -0400 Lines: 49 Message-ID: <9ka4sj$3gcc7$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 996710099 3682695 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30705 Probably not honey bees - I mow around mine all the time (including up to and bumping into the hives today) and they never pay attention. Yellow jackets are a different matter. They nest in the ground, seem to hate mowers and weed eaters and will attack anyone that gets right on the nest, pursuing and stinging as you try to get away. To find: either watch around late afternoon to dusk to see where they are going to ground, or wait until the next stinging episode (it will be very close to where it starts). Mark and come back at night. Use the high-power jet spray cans marked for yellow jackets, and spray down the hole (use a flashlight, but stay as far away as possible). That should kill the nest. For new stings, try papaya (papain) based meat tenderizer or baking soda, mixed into a paste. For old, ice packs and topical anesthetics help. "The God of Hellfire" wrote in message news:cUZ97.23870$LP2.1494179@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Hiya, > > I searched through the messages in the NG but didn't find anything that > helped. Several times in the past, bees have stung people mowing my lawn. I > understand mowers can upset them, so I didn't do anything about it, except > to try to avoid certain areas and mow later in the day. Now, however, the > problem's gotten worse. I was just out with my dog in the yard walking > around and we were both stung quite a few times. I clearly need to get the > bees removed. I have no idea where a hive might be - how big a problem is > that for someone removing them? > > Also, the localhoneyforsale.com site didn't have any listings for Virginia. > I live in Hanover Country not far from Richmond. Can anyone give me > recommendations on where to call? I'd prefer having them removed to calling > an exterminator. > > I'd like to know why they attacked like that, too, if you can provide some > insight. And, lastly, suggestions on how to kill the pain would be much > appreciated at this point. > > Thanks, > Meriah... > > Article 30706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feral Hive Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:59:06 -0400 Lines: 41 Message-ID: <9ka57k$3e3bb$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <3b5f5478.92429342@news> <3b64b212.122591000@news> <9k933j$2si$1@uranium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 996710452 3607915 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30706 Will, Can you post the pics somewhere we can see them? many newsgroup servers strip out binaries in these non-binary groups. -K Oland "Ian Williams" wrote in message news:9k933j$2si$1@uranium.btinternet.com... > Hi Will > I have been admiring your Pic of the Trashcan Bee Vac. Could you explain to > me how you got the mob of very angry bees out of the vac to re-hive them? > > Ian (Wales) [freebeeuk@btinternet.com] > > <><><><><><><><><><> > "Honey is sweet. Bees sting!" > <><><><><><><><><><> > "loot" wrote in message news:3b64b212.122591000@news... > > Well, a friend and I pulled a feral hive on Friday. I think it was AL > > who said drink plenty of fluids, hee, hee ,hee. Well, I believe I'd > > been better off with an I.V. Everything went pretty smoothly I > > believe. The bees seem to be adjusting. There was a little robbing > > going on yesterday, but things seem to be quieting down now. I'm > > going to post some photos as soon as I figure out how. Oh, by the > > way, the bee-vac worked like a champ. I couldn't imagine doing it > > any other way. I modified a trash can with a shop-vac in the lid and > > a screen underneath a ways. I don't think it killed more than 5 bees. > > I placed the comb in a plastic container then rubber banded it into > > the frames later. If I had it to do over again, I would fix the comb > > into frames as we went along. > > > > Will > > Article 30707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B689C32.53CBFDC8@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying workers References: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:17:55 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.233 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 996711053 206.231.24.233 (Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:10:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:10:53 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30707 I have found that dealing with laying workers the way you describe is just a waste of time. Good wood on bad don't ya know. Here's what I do with laying workers. First, take down the hive. Shake all the bees out of it onto the ground in front of your other hives. Place the bodies of comb on top of a strong colony so they will clean up the mess. Remove the combs to storage until needed. I think it way better to spend time managing your strong colonies than to waste time, money, and brood from strong colonies to save hopeless cases. Don't play the numbers game. If you have five strong colonies, then you have five strong colonies. If you have four strong colonies and one with laying workers, you will only have three strong colonies when you get done screwing around with the weak one because the hopless case will be nothing, and the other will be weakened by giving some of it's brood the the punk. I realize I live in the north where we get one or two chances to build a decent colony for winter. But, after years of mucking around trying to save weak colonies I feel it really the best plan. Mike Paul Waites wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a hive that has lost its queen and now has drone laying workers > present. > Are there any other methods I could try? > > Thanks for any advice. > > Paul. Article 30708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!news.udel.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!nntp.twtelecom.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Software update of 11 of july 2001 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 02:42:31 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 110 Message-ID: <3b64ab56$0$2649$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.215.97.102 X-Trace: 996453207 dread01.news.tele.dk 2649 195.215.97.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30708 I want to thank Busybee for helping me getting my software in full Dutch interface and full Dutch help. And also in French with French help. also included is a full functional tolls to fix errors in database if powerfailure or the like. "Dave Hamilton" skrev i en meddelelse news:3ab9f30e.84257125@west.usenetserver.com... > "Beekeepers don't really use computers. They're out looking after > their bees, not sitting in front of a computer." As a beekeeper you need all practical help possible. But I want to put some comments to the above! You have give priority to your time strongly, to get maximum of joy! First you have to take care of your wife/husband and children. I am sure I don't need to pin this out :) Then you have to take care of yourself and please remember life is more than bees. Now you can take care of your bees. and then use all the tools available for making this work easy as possible. well invested money are those used for making the heavy lift of honey to a case not ruining our bags. I have read this : when it gives honey it gives money, and when it gives money it gives strength (Bernhard Swinty) Newer the less, heavy lifts are reason for a lot of 'Beekeeper diseases'. about computer and beekeeping then you can find some interesting education software on the net. I want to point you to P.O.Gustafson in Sweden. (his software is on my CD) I also know about a Dutch CD software with a lot of beekeeping knowledge on it. Of American software I know about a Disease introduction software. So for the hivenote software around: the newest is the 'Beekeeper' build on the need from a Canadian migration beekeeper with thousands of hives. Then you have a German software and also a Austrian software but limited to German language. There have been a software from new Zealand to but it seems to have disappeared from the net. Snip.... I noticed that Jorn has a posting today about his software. We use a database from HandDbase http://www.ddhsoftware.com that cost 24.95 for both the desktop and handheld versions. Works great and is a great help for analyzing data from our Snip.... The problem with databases Such as predefined layouts is that they will limit the beekeeper . I am working very hard on both keeping my software within the frame of beekeeping, but also so flexible that it can be used by everyone. Of course I am creative, it is my nature, and sometimes it hits back on me being to impulsive and not testing my software properly before releasing. Shame on me YES, but I am just a beekeeper having this crazy idea of making software for the beekeeping and not for my sake. I have long time ago got what I need. But I am still trying to improve my software so that it is much more easy to use. It has been going on for a lot of years now, and I don't think I will stop before Alzheimer take over. The handheld software I have created is definitely only designed for beekeeping. It is though limited to Palm OS based handhelds, but there is a lot of those on the marked. As a new thing to this Handheld software of mine, is the use of a scanner, that simply places the handheld on the right record in handheld database. In practice I only work with one record for each hive thereby saving handheld memory. This means you can have several thousands hives on the handheld. And then the use of scanner is very useful to locate the correct record. I have also made it very simple to set-up the hives in database, by auto creating the hives in database. and at the same time group the hives. Later you can colour the groups and thereby get an easy overview of the hives belonging together. An intersting issue could be what data is needed for Hivenotes. I think, at least here in Europe, there is a national suggestion for the layout of notes, based on years of practical beekeeping. And please remember this is work based on thousands of beekeepers national wide. I think the most important note to make is 'what to do next time you visit the apiary'. A beekeeper 14 days to three weeks ahead of the bees is far better bound for success than the beekeeper looking backward, in my eyes 'wasting time on trying to remember how the weather was a month ago'. Such notes as about the weather is second priority information. But of course all this is individual for each of us. I personal find it much more relevant to keep an eye on the bees, and be ahead of them if possible. I think you should do yourself a favor and take a second look at my software. A loot has gone on and have been done since my first try in this 'software matter'. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 27-05-2001 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 30709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The God of Hellfire" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9ka4sj$3gcc7$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Unsociable bees Lines: 59 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:46:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.91.145.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 996713202 12.91.145.215 (Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:46:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:46:42 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30709 Thanks very much for the info/suggestions. I was able to speak with someone locally, and they said they thought it was yellow hornets. Yippee. :-P Meriah... "KOland" wrote in message news:9ka4sj$3gcc7$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... Probably not honey bees - I mow around mine all the time (including up to and bumping into the hives today) and they never pay attention. Yellow jackets are a different matter. They nest in the ground, seem to hate mowers and weed eaters and will attack anyone that gets right on the nest, pursuing and stinging as you try to get away. To find: either watch around late afternoon to dusk to see where they are going to ground, or wait until the next stinging episode (it will be very close to where it starts). Mark and come back at night. Use the high-power jet spray cans marked for yellow jackets, and spray down the hole (use a flashlight, but stay as far away as possible). That should kill the nest. For new stings, try papaya (papain) based meat tenderizer or baking soda, mixed into a paste. For old, ice packs and topical anesthetics help. "The God of Hellfire" wrote in message news:cUZ97.23870$LP2.1494179@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Hiya, > > I searched through the messages in the NG but didn't find anything that > helped. Several times in the past, bees have stung people mowing my lawn. I > understand mowers can upset them, so I didn't do anything about it, except > to try to avoid certain areas and mow later in the day. Now, however, the > problem's gotten worse. I was just out with my dog in the yard walking > around and we were both stung quite a few times. I clearly need to get the > bees removed. I have no idea where a hive might be - how big a problem is > that for someone removing them? > > Also, the localhoneyforsale.com site didn't have any listings for Virginia. > I live in Hanover Country not far from Richmond. Can anyone give me > recommendations on where to call? I'd prefer having them removed to calling > an exterminator. > > I'd like to know why they attacked like that, too, if you can provide some > insight. And, lastly, suggestions on how to kill the pain would be much > appreciated at this point. > > Thanks, > Meriah... > > Article 30710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: 1 Aug 2001 19:57:18 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996721039 24299 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2001 02:57:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 02:57:19 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30710 Howdy Newbee -- What is in the super you put them in? If it is empty, you can move them into a complete hive later. If it is a super of comb or foundation, you are in good shape! I have used nothing but medium supers for many years. All boxes and all frames are interchangeable. Only way to go. Watch for postings and you will find that a lot of beekeepers are using this system. Pete ******************************************************** Article 30711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9vs10 frames Date: 1 Aug 2001 20:05:21 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <20010801073821.17417.00001656@ng-co1.aol.com> <3B683FDF.D2759A78@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996721521 25072 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2001 03:05:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 03:05:21 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30711 Howdy Billy -- Nothing wrong with that. The bees may make the narrow band of honey along the top may be made a little thicker, but this does not hamper removal of frames difficult, and you don't "roll" and kill many bees. There will be more bridge comb between the top bars, but not much of a problem. The ideal way for ME is to use 9 frames in the nest crowded shoulder to shoulder, with a 1/2" frame of hardware cloth on each side. The narrow frame can be removed and then the frames can be easily removed. Pete *********************************************************8 > I run 9 in my brood boxes but I have been using a 9 frame spacer to > space them evenly, so they are not shoulder to shoulder. Is this wrong? > Why? Article 30712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unsociable bees Date: 1 Aug 2001 20:11:27 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996721888 25326 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2001 03:11:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 03:11:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30712 Howdy Meriah -- Sounds like yellow jackets instead of bees. Catch one and get it identified. Bees feeding on clover or dandilion in the lawn usually sting only when stepped on with bare feet. If it is yellow jackets, the exterminator may find the nest and destroy it. If it really is honey bees, the nest is far away. Let us know. Pete *************************************************************** Article 30713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Paper Wasp Nest Date: 1 Aug 2001 20:19:42 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996722382 25608 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2001 03:19:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 03:19:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30713 Howdy PW -- You are to be complimented for your desire to avoid destroying the nest and colony. Wasps do not forage far from home as bees do, so moving them several blocks away should work. Bees must be moved at least two miles to get away from territory they know. Both of these critters program their brains so they can come back home. Honeybees do this the first day they come out of the hive. It is called their "orientation flight" which beginners often mistake for swarming. Pete ************************************************************ Article 30714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying workers Date: 1 Aug 2001 20:29:57 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996722997 25900 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2001 03:29:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 03:29:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30714 Howdy Paul -- 20-30 meters should work as well as 200. If you try this, let us know the outcome. This has not worked for me. The laying workers along with the other bees get back to the home site before I do. You might consider doing that for whatever good it may do, then join a queenright colony on top of this one by the newspaaper method. This protects the combs and salvages the workers in the problem colony even though they are all old bees. It's pretty late in the season for them to grow a new queen, and it is difficult to get this type colony to accept a new queen if you give it one. Let us know. Pete ********************************************** Article 30715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.tn.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: loot70@hotmail.com (loot) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feral Hive Message-ID: <3b68cf30.18433561@news> References: <3b5f5478.92429342@news> <3b64b212.122591000@news> <9k933j$2si$1@uranium.btinternet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 23 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 03:59:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.12.65.185 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.tn.home.com 996724780 24.12.65.185 (Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:59:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:59:40 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30715 On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:15:15 +0100, "Ian Williams" wrote: >Hi Will >I have been admiring your Pic of the Trashcan Bee Vac. Could you explain to >me how you got the mob of very angry bees out of the vac to re-hive them? The trashcan bee vac has an inner lid of plywood and screen. There was a lip around the inside of the trashcan about 10 inches down. I cut a piece of plywood in the shape of a circle to fit down inside the trashcan. I then cut two half circles out of the plywood and screened it underneath leaving a handle down the center. The bees were sucked in under the screen so it was just a matter of taking the lid off then the inner lid and pouring them into a hive with a bit of a whack. I sprayed them down a couple of times with some sugar water and they didn't seem to mind the whole experience a bit. There were also some more holes below the screen to get the vac ported properly so that it didn't suck them too hard. You want the vac to just barely suck them off the comb, just enough to annoy you. I could take some more pictures of the workings of the vac if you're interested. Will Article 30716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers over inner cover Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:56:05 +0100 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <9kau0o$6r5$3@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <9jv9sh$p6l$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-78.plutonium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 996735832 7013 62.136.66.206 (2 Aug 2001 07:03:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 07:03:52 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30716 My preference is to leave supers on the colonies until November - by then they will be very clean and can be stored without any danger of attack from wax moth. One other point: I always put wet supers under the crown board (or inner cover) - sometimes bees will die in large numbers if the supers are put over the crown board and the weather is very hot. I also have a theory that some become very sticky and drop down on to the crown board where they die, but that putting the supers under the crown board means that they drop down to the brood nest where other bees clean them up! Perhaps others will have thoughts on this! "Angela & Keith Copi" wrote in message news:9jv9sh$p6l$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > This is my second year keeping bees in central Virginia. Last weekend I > extracted, and , as recommended by some folks at the local club, put the wet > supers back on the hives over the inner cover. Today, I went to take them > off and found them full of bees. Is one week not long enough? To me they > look clean, but the bees seem to still be very attracted to them. I also > left about ten pounds of honey in partially filled and uncapped frames above > the inner cover on a reasonably strong colony which seems to have plenty of > storage space below, but they have hardly touched it. I need to get the > supers off in the next week or two, since that is when we do our "fall" > varroa treatments. > > Thanks, > > Keith > > Article 30717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010731190328.27095.00000930@mb-md.aol.com> Subject: Re: Honey Labels Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:05:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 996753929 66.31.162.165 (Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:05:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:05:29 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30717 > Can someone post the address, (web or snail) or phone number of someone who > deals in pre-printed honey labels. R.M. Farms P.O. Box 684 Dearborn Hts, MI 48127-0684 734-722-7727 If you send them $2 (or something close) they'll send you a bunch of samples of their various labels. We ended up buying from them - very good service. -Steve Article 30718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee venom Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:36:31 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9kau0n$6r5$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3B64ADD5.9000501@yahoo.com> <3B654DA1.2C7392BD@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-78.plutonium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 996735831 7013 62.136.66.206 (2 Aug 2001 07:03:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 07:03:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30718 I think that the latest research suggests that stings are likely to cause arthritis at the site of the sting, but that stings in areas away from the painful joints may give relief. Presumably, beekeepers should therefore suffer more arthritis in their hands, but not suffer as much in other joints. I am not at all sure that this is true - there seems to be quite a lot of elderly arthritic beekeepers around! "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3B654DA1.2C7392BD@atlas.localdomain... > Taylor Francis wrote: > > > > Is it really helpful for arthritis and joint pain? > > > > Taylor > > > I have seen positive reports on this idea, but then I've seen > contradictory medical reports. Maybe if one THINKS that it helps, it > does. > -- > Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the > louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. > | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 30719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk!paul From: Paul Tomlin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:23:16 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <9kau0m$6r5$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-20.cod.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 996740521 11272 217.134.28.20 (2 Aug 2001 08:22:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 08:22:01 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-6-U () Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30719 On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Gadget wrote: Three articles. Sorry about that, it was me [Paul]. I was just using the wrong alias [that's my surfing nickname]. All sorted now. -- Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] Remove nospam from email address to reply Article 30720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Labels Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <20010731190328.27095.00000930@mb-md.aol.com> <3B680A69.2AA150FF@okstate.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 10 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 07:15:47 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.217.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 996733177 62.255.217.9 (Thu, 02 Aug 2001 07:19:37 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 07:19:37 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30720 On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:55:53 -0500, Gary Johns wrote: >Thorne wants $40.00 f0r 1000. I just got 100 custom labels for Ł1-80, + p+p. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis - smile until it hurts. Article 30721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:30:42 +0100 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <9kau0m$6r5$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-78.plutonium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 996735830 7013 62.136.66.206 (2 Aug 2001 07:03:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 07:03:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30721 Depends on the spacing of the frames and the cell size. If there are only nine frames to the super, which many beekeepers use, then you will get brace comb built between the frames. If the comb is drone size, then you have an even bigger problem! I would suggest that a super with worker comb is useful in an emergency, but that you really should get the bees into a brood box asap. Provided that they are not a very small cast and that you feed them well, there should still be time to build them before the winter. You should also check for varroa - they could be carrying quite a large number at this time of the year. Certainly seek local advice - Devon is one of the country's most active counties for beekeeping with plenty of good associations. "Paul Tomlin" wrote in message news:7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk... > Just a question from a pair of beginners [with the caveat that we are > seeking local advice too]. > > My wife and I have inherited all her father's bee equipment [he has > become hyper-sensitised to bee venom], but not all of it is cleaned up > yet. > > Last week we found a swarm nearby and got it in a box. That evening we > set up a small hive for them, but we didn't have any brood frames ready > [or any foundation to make any up]. Instead we just gave 'em a super as > a brood chamber, a queen excluder and a super above. I know this is > hardly ideal, but we thought that, when necessary, we could put another > super in to enlarge the brood chamber, thinking this would be like > having a brood and a half. > [but in this case a brood and a quarter] ;-) > > What problems might this cause? > > BTW is there a FAQ for this newsgroup? > > -- > Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] > Remove nospam from email address to reply Article 30722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk!gadget From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:54:15 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <3b688ccd.215528150@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-961.cod.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 996738539 3063 217.134.31.193 (2 Aug 2001 07:48:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 07:48:59 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-6-U () Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30722 On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, beekeep wrote: >The old saying goes: > >A swarm in May is worth a bale of hay. >A swarm in June is worth a siler spoon. >A swarm in July isn't worth a fly. I would have thought a silver spoon was worth a bit more than a bale of hay [2.00 UK pounds for good stuff]. :-) >One would then surmize that a swarm in August is going to cost you >plenty. You will have to feed, feed ,feed and then they still >probably won't make it. Starting now to build a large winter cluster >is damn near impossible. Thanks for the warning, what do you suggest? Pass them on to someone else? If I were to feed, should I start straight away? -- Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] Remove nospam from email address to reply Article 30723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk!gadget From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:02:21 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <9kau0m$6r5$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-961.cod.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 996738542 3063 217.134.31.193 (2 Aug 2001 07:49:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 07:49:02 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-6-U () Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30723 On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Peter Edwards wrote: >Depends on the spacing of the frames and the cell size. Eleven frames of fresh foundation in a National super >I would suggest that a super with worker comb is useful in an emergency, but >that you really should get the bees into a brood box asap. Put it above or below the existing super, which already has three or four frames with capped cells? Or should I transfer the frames to the bigger box and risk them making a mess in the big space below? >Provided that >they are not a very small cast and that you feed them well, there should >still be time to build them before the winter. Start feeding now? >You should also check for varroa - they could be carrying quite a large >number at this time of the year. I thought I might hang a couple of strips of Apistan in now, is that OK? >Certainly seek local advice - Devon is one of the country's most active >counties for beekeeping with plenty of good associations. Yes, our man from Holsworthy is very nice. :-) -- Gadget [Bude, Cornwall, UK] [Remove NOSPAM from my address to reply] Article 30724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk!gadget From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:54:29 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-961.cod.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 996738541 3063 217.134.31.193 (2 Aug 2001 07:49:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 07:49:01 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-6-U () Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30724 On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Pete wrote: > What is in the super you put them in? If it is empty, you can >move them into a complete hive later. Super full of new foundation. > If it is a super of comb or foundation, you are in good shape! >I have used nothing but medium supers for many years. All boxes >and all frames are interchangeable. Only way to go. Watch for >postings and you will find that a lot of beekeepers are using this >system. Thanks for the info Pete. I looked at them last night, they have drawn out all but the two outside frames. Three frames in the middle have some capped cells. I was in a bit of a rush and it was a bit dark at 10pm to see the state of the brood. Shall I wait until the brood chamber is getting used up, or give the queen more space now? They have not done much with the super above the excluder, only two frames drawn out and none used. -- Gadget [Bude, Cornwall, UK] [Remove NOSPAM from my address to reply] Article 30725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:31:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3b694408.262435067@news1.radix.net> References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <3b688ccd.215528150@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30725 On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:54:15 +0100, Gadget wrote: >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, beekeep wrote: >>The old saying goes: >> >>A swarm in May is worth a bale of hay. >>A swarm in June is worth a siler spoon. >>A swarm in July isn't worth a fly. > >I would have thought a silver spoon was worth a bit more than a bale of >hay [2.00 UK pounds for good stuff]. :-) > >>One would then surmize that a swarm in August is going to cost you >>plenty. You will have to feed, feed ,feed and then they still >>probably won't make it. Starting now to build a large winter cluster >>is damn near impossible. > >Thanks for the warning, what do you suggest? Pass them on to someone >else? > >If I were to feed, should I start straight away? > >-- >Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] >Remove nospam from email address to reply By all means play with them, just don't get too disapointed or discouraged if you fail as the odds are against you. Do the math. A bee lives 6 weeks. That is 42 days. In the spring the queen can lay up to 2000 eggs per day so in 42 days you have 84,000 baby bees in various stages of developement. Starting a swarm now with a queen that will be laying 700 - 800 eggs a day will result in 33,600 bees getting ready to be born with the original swarm will be in its last days. The new bees won't be foraging for another 4 weeks after they are born to boot. If you were to plot the population you would see a huge drop around the 42 day mark and then a gradual comeback to a full population of 60,000 bees needed for the winter cluster. Time is against you as the populations maximum growth is put into October, which is when egg laying really starts to decrease making the problem worse. Bees can raise more brood in the summer months as well due to the temperature. In October they will have to produce much heat to keep the brood warm. beekeep Article 30726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 32 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Aug 2001 12:37:39 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Unsociable bees Message-ID: <20010802083739.18765.00002228@mb-mv.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30726 >I searched through the messages in the NG but didn't find anything that >helped. Several times in the past, bees have stung people mowing my lawn. I >understand mowers can upset them, so I didn't do anything about it Most likely yellow jackets, which can build into large colonies late in the summer. Look for them in holes in the ground. They like to find old mouse holes which they then enlarge. Here's a pictoral to help identify them: http://pollinator.com/Identify/whatsbuzzin.htm If you can find the nest, you can exterminate them by dumping a bucket of hot water with a cup of dish detergent into the hole (at night, with no light, as they are all home then). This will off them without damaging ground water supplies (Every now and then some idiot will recommend dumping gasoline into the hole which is a great way to add carcinogens to our drinking water.) If they really are bees, look for a nest in a hollow tree. Bees are not nearly so apt to sting as yellow jackets, but if they have a low entrance, and you pass in front of it, they may bump you on their way home, and sting reflexively. Once in awhile you have a rogue colony that is just plain mean, but they aren't common anymore. To find a local beekeeper call your county extension agent, or check the pollinator list at: http://pollinator.com/polbkprs.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 30727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feeder.qis.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Aug 2001 12:40:37 GMT References: <3B69D4E7@MailAndNews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: do bees vacate a hive? Message-ID: <20010802084037.18765.00002230@mb-mv.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30727 >also, what's the url to a page that lists beekeepers for a state? >i found one, but it's under construction. if those bees are still >there, then i need to find a beekeeper in south mississippi. Beekeepers who do pollination service are listed at: http://pollinator.com/polbkprs.htm If they don't do bee removals, they may know someone who does. Also check with your county extension office. You can also check for local bee associations at Who's Who in Beekeeping at http://airoot.com Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 30728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!easynet-monga!easynet.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying workers Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:23:32 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 25 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3B692A24.FD0131A0@york.ac.uk> References: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 996747789 20310 144.32.85.141 (2 Aug 2001 10:23:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 10:23:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30728 Thanks for the advice, It looks as though this is a lost cause. It was a swarm collected by my father early this year. (He is not a beekeeper: I just have some hives in his back garden and I'd gone away for the weekend) he hived it himself which was brave and I'd rather liked to have saved this hive. At first there was quite a lot of brood and the queen was laying. I guess she must have died. Mmmh! I'll have to think about this one. Beekeeping in an urban area can have its problems, so far in three years none of my neighbours has been stung, but a troublesome angry colony may just be not worth loosing my hard fought reputation that my bees are quite docile. (I've already caused some concern this year when a swarm landed in next doors apple tree! (At least they saw the funny side that time watching me up a ladder trying to retrieve them)! Thanks once again. Paul. Article 30729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: "Steven D. Hagerty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unsociable bees Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:23:03 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <9kbnhl02ki7@enews4.newsguy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-346.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30729 They like things like perfume, deodorant, maybe even shampoo.... I have had several sting me just because of the deodorant I was using. Also.. as far as easing the sting.... first.. try to scrape off the stinger.... with either a fingernail or knife immediately. This will knock off the venom sac.. so you don't get the full effect of the sting. Secondly, try a dab of honey on the sting, or tobacco I've heard Steve Article 30730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Recycling queens by establishing feral colonies X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B696D99.186E6450@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:11:21 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 38 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30730 The time for fall requeening is just around the corner and once again I am faced with the unpleasant task of killing a perfectly good but older queen and replacing her with a younger woman. It seems such a waste to destroy such a beautiful animal. Sure, I could use her in a nuc but I don't really want more hives and she would likely swarm in the spring anyway and most probably establish a feral hive somewhere in the woods nearby. So lately I have been thinking why not bypass the middleman and establish a feral colony directly using said queen in a hollow tree somewhere in the woods that surround my property? The books and archives have lots of info explaining how to move a feral colony into a managed hive. But what about the opposite? Move a managed queen to a feral existence. Put her out to pasture, if you will. For fall requeening this probably isn't an option but with spring requeening there would be ample time for the colony to establish themselves. As far as I can tell, Kansas is virtually devoid of feral colonies. At least in my locale. Establishing feral hives with minimum effort/cost and monitoring their progress over the long term could turn fruitful. The bees would be left to their own devices to battle the mites and so forth and in time could develop mite resistance naturally along with a better adaptation to the local environment. Obviously a lot of colonies would die along the way. Can anyone give me ideas on good ways to do this? I would have a 2 year old queen and need some way of forcing a swarm in a way that I could control it. I would want just enough bees needed to establish the hive but no more as I don't want to weaken the source colony any more than I have to. I would then requeen the source hive with a purchased queen like I normally do. I would like to take this swarm and hive them in a hollow tree and let them establish a natural hive there. Any ideas? Thanks, -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 30731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying workers (Another thought) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:10:11 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 43 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3B697B63.812AB4C@york.ac.uk> References: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 996768591 10416 144.32.85.141 (2 Aug 2001 16:09:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 16:09:52 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30731 Hi all, Just a last thought, If I just move the hive, not take it apart, but just move it then the flying workers would return to the original site but the laying workers not...... Or do the laying workers fly and forage like ordinary workers? at least then I could salvage the flying workers and unite them with another colony.. Just a thought. Paul. Paul Waites wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a hive that has lost its queen and now has drone laying workers > present. > > The technique described to me was to: > > 1 Move the hive 200 metres > 2 Place a nuc box with a couple of combs of drawn comb on the original > site. > 3 The flying bees will return to the original site but the laying > workers will not. > 4 After three days destroy the drone larvae in the hive and kill the few > workers that are left as they could be the laying workers. > 5 The hive can then be re set-up on its original site and a comb with > eggs can be introduced so that they will use it to raise a new queen. > > I follow all that but I live in a urban area (York U.k) so the furthest > that i could shift the hive is 10-20 metres. Will that be sufficient? > > Are there any other methods I could try? > > Thanks for any advice. > > Paul. Article 30732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: pwplee@hotmail.com (Pen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Paper Wasp Nest Date: 2 Aug 2001 09:44:02 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.102.92.172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996770642 18454 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2001 16:44:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 16:44:02 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30732 Thank you Pete, the info is very helpful. :) I think I've seen the wasps do their 'orietation flight'. They hover a foot away from the new nest location and move in and out of the surrounding area for several minutes before foraging. Each time I re-released a stray onto the nest I must have disturbed learning ones and they flew away in fear of me. In total, there were 8 wasps but four resides in the new location taking care of the larvae. The remaining four have started a new nest on the garage door. :) Article 30733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying workers Date: 2 Aug 2001 19:25:12 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <9kc9eo$4fj$0@65.201.241.11> References: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> <9ka4er$3ecqo$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.11 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30733 On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:45:54 -0400, "KOland" wrote: >Paul, > >Move as far away as possible. Shake ALL bees onto the ground, make sure all >frames are completely free of bees. blow out with leaf blower, or brush all >the frames (this makes them madder). the non-laying workers will fly back >(some nurse bees are lost, as well as laying workers). put hive back where >it was and introduce queen in a cage. feed bees to simulate nectar flow to >get them to accept queen faster. From what I've read, this is often a big waste of time. Laying workers have been observed laying eggs, then going out and foraging, and returning to lay more eggs. So there is nothing to keep the laying workers from returning as well. I'd try the following: Start a new colony with about 5 frames of bees/brood from an existing colony and your new queen. Once the queen has been excepted and is laying, combine the new colony with the laying worker colony using the newspaper method. -Tim Article 30734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e420r-chi1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@IH8spam.pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying workers Message-ID: <3b69aa33.11170281@chicago.usenetserver.com> References: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> <3B692A24.FD0131A0@york.ac.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:28:46 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. - ReInventing The UseNet Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:32:15 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30734 I disagree with the shake the bees method .. what seems to work best for me is to take the hive and combine one broaod chamber on top of another hive using newspaper and combine the other brood chamber on another differnet hive again using newspaper Dave On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:23:32 +0100, Paul Waites wrote: >Thanks for the advice, > >It looks as though this is a lost cause. > >It was a swarm collected by my father early this year. (He is not a >beekeeper: I just have some hives in his back garden and I'd gone away for >the weekend) he hived it himself which was brave and I'd rather liked to >have saved this hive. > >At first there was quite a lot of brood and the queen was laying. I guess >she must have died. > >Mmmh! I'll have to think about this one. Beekeeping in an urban area can >have its problems, so far in three years none of my neighbours has been >stung, but a troublesome angry colony may just be not worth loosing my hard >fought reputation that my bees are quite docile. (I've already caused some >concern this year when a swarm landed in next doors apple tree! (At least >they saw the funny side that time watching me up a ladder trying to retrieve >them)! > >Thanks once again. > >Paul. > > Article 30735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.hawaii.edu!not-for-mail From: Maren Purves Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:51:37 -1000 Organization: Joint Astronomy Centre, Hilo, HI Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3B69BD59.71FE@jach.hawaii.edu> References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <3b688ccd.215528150@news1.radix.net> <3b694408.262435067@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: elua.jach.hawaii.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.hawaii.edu 996785497 2138 128.171.90.2 (2 Aug 2001 20:51:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@hawaii.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 20:51:37 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30735 beekeep wrote: > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:54:15 +0100, Gadget > wrote: > >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, beekeep wrote: > >>The old saying goes: > >> > >>A swarm in May is worth a bale of hay. > >>A swarm in June is worth a siler spoon. > >>A swarm in July isn't worth a fly. > > > >I would have thought a silver spoon was worth a bit more than a bale of > >hay [2.00 UK pounds for good stuff]. :-) > > > >>One would then surmize that a swarm in August is going to cost you > >>plenty. You will have to feed, feed ,feed and then they still > >>probably won't make it. Starting now to build a large winter cluster > >>is damn near impossible. > > > >Thanks for the warning, what do you suggest? Pass them on to someone > >else? > > > >If I were to feed, should I start straight away? > > > >-- > >Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] > >Remove nospam from email address to reply > > making the problem worse. Bees can raise more brood in the summer > months as well due to the temperature. In October they will have to > produce much heat to keep the brood warm. doesn't this all very much depend on _where_? Devon doesn't get all that cold I'd think ... Maren, Hilo, HI. (doesn't get cold here by most people's standards, only by mine.) Article 30736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 22:13:16 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3b69cffa.298261010@news1.radix.net> References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <3b688ccd.215528150@news1.radix.net> <3b694408.262435067@news1.radix.net> <3B69BD59.71FE@jach.hawaii.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30736 On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:51:37 -1000, Maren Purves wrote: >beekeep wrote: >> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:54:15 +0100, Gadget >> wrote: >> >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, beekeep wrote: >> >>The old saying goes: >> >> >> >>A swarm in May is worth a bale of hay. >> >>A swarm in June is worth a siler spoon. >> >>A swarm in July isn't worth a fly. >> > >> >I would have thought a silver spoon was worth a bit more than a bale of >> >hay [2.00 UK pounds for good stuff]. :-) >> > >> >>One would then surmize that a swarm in August is going to cost you >> >>plenty. You will have to feed, feed ,feed and then they still >> >>probably won't make it. Starting now to build a large winter cluster >> >>is damn near impossible. >> > >> >Thanks for the warning, what do you suggest? Pass them on to someone >> >else? >> > >> >If I were to feed, should I start straight away? >> > >> >-- >> >Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] >> >Remove nospam from email address to reply >> >> making the problem worse. Bees can raise more brood in the summer >> months as well due to the temperature. In October they will have to >> produce much heat to keep the brood warm. > >doesn't this all very much depend on _where_? > >Devon doesn't get all that cold I'd think ... > >Maren, Hilo, HI. >(doesn't get cold here by most people's standards, only by mine.) A lot of what bees do is dependant on the length of the day. Why else would the queen start laying around Christmas day. They can detect the days getting longer. beekeep Article 30737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk!paul From: Paul Tomlin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:47:25 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <3b688ccd.215528150@news1.radix.net> <3b694408.262435067@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-622.crab.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 996792370 877 217.134.34.110 (2 Aug 2001 22:46:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 22:46:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-6-U () Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30737 Beekeep wrote: >>>One would then surmize that a swarm in August is going to cost you >>>plenty. You will have to feed, feed ,feed and then they still >>>probably won't make it. Starting now to build a large winter cluster >>>is damn near impossible. >> >>Thanks for the warning, what do you suggest? Pass them on to someone >>else? >By all means play with them, just don't get too disapointed or >discouraged if you fail as the odds are against you. > >Do the math. A bee lives 6 weeks. That is 42 days. In the spring >the queen can lay up to 2000 eggs per day so in 42 days you have >84,000 baby bees in various stages of developement. Starting a swarm >now with a queen that will be laying 700 - 800 eggs a day will result >in 33,600 bees getting ready to be born with the original swarm will >be in its last days. The new bees won't be foraging for another 4 >weeks after they are born to boot. If you were to plot the population >you would see a huge drop around the 42 day mark and then a gradual >comeback to a full population of 60,000 bees needed for the winter >cluster. OK, I did the maths [sorry for my Britishness], or rather M$ Excel did. :-) I got the colony dropping to 15,400 workers by mid August, when all the old workers had died. And I never got the numbers to get back up to 60,000, my calculations got the colony plateaued at 33,100 in 63 days [late September] and stayed there. I admit I made some wild generalisations. Firstly, I took the lifespan of a worker to be fixed at 63 days [21+42] from newly laid egg to death, when it can be as much as 7months of overwintering bees. And secondly I took the Queen's laying rate to be fixed at 700 a day throughout, instead of tapering off as the season comes to a close. So from that, I see what you mean. Does a viable Winter cluster have to be 60,000? Or does it depend on the harshness of the climate? -- Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] Remove nospam from email address to reply Article 30738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: 2 Aug 2001 16:09:58 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996793799 31998 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2001 23:09:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 23:09:59 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30738 Howdy Gadget -- I suggest that you remove the QX and begin feeding them now so they can store enough to winter on. Go ahead and put in strips. Sounds like you will have a fine colony next spring. Pete **********************************************************8 Article 30739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 23:47:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 68 Message-ID: <3b69e42d.303432770@news1.radix.net> References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <3b688ccd.215528150@news1.radix.net> <3b694408.262435067@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30739 On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:47:25 +0100, Paul Tomlin wrote: >Beekeep wrote: >>>>One would then surmize that a swarm in August is going to cost you >>>>plenty. You will have to feed, feed ,feed and then they still >>>>probably won't make it. Starting now to build a large winter cluster >>>>is damn near impossible. >>> >>>Thanks for the warning, what do you suggest? Pass them on to someone >>>else? > >>By all means play with them, just don't get too disapointed or >>discouraged if you fail as the odds are against you. >> >>Do the math. A bee lives 6 weeks. That is 42 days. In the spring >>the queen can lay up to 2000 eggs per day so in 42 days you have >>84,000 baby bees in various stages of developement. Starting a swarm >>now with a queen that will be laying 700 - 800 eggs a day will result >>in 33,600 bees getting ready to be born with the original swarm will >>be in its last days. The new bees won't be foraging for another 4 >>weeks after they are born to boot. If you were to plot the population >>you would see a huge drop around the 42 day mark and then a gradual >>comeback to a full population of 60,000 bees needed for the winter >>cluster. > >OK, I did the maths [sorry for my Britishness], >or rather M$ Excel did. :-) > >I got the colony dropping to 15,400 workers by mid August, when all the >old workers had died. >And I never got the numbers to get back up to 60,000, my calculations >got the colony plateaued at 33,100 in 63 days [late September] and >stayed there. > >I admit I made some wild generalisations. >Firstly, I took the lifespan of a worker to be fixed at 63 days [21+42] >from newly laid egg to death, when it can be as much as 7months of >overwintering bees. >And secondly I took the Queen's laying rate to be fixed at 700 a day >throughout, instead of tapering off as the season comes to a close. > >So from that, I see what you mean. >Does a viable Winter cluster have to be 60,000? >Or does it depend on the harshness of the climate? > >-- >Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] >Remove nospam from email address to reply If they are Carni's they would make it with 10,000. Italians on the other hand are generally a high population bee. Keep in mind that they drop like flies in the spring. The early spring time is when many colonies die by starvation as well. Feeding just sugar is not enough as it takes protien to raise brood. Pollen patties will also be needed. The trick to surviving the winter months comes from the last hatched bees not feeding brood. Feeding brood weakens bees drastically as it takes a lot from their bodies. Once these bees start feeding brood in the spring their biological clock starts ticking. The larger the brood nest grows the more feeding is involved and the life spans are decreased. This is the trick behing making comb honey by shaking bees on foundation. By removing the brood and reducing it to almost nothing the foragers live longer simulating a much larger work force. beekeep Article 30740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The God of Hellfire" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Unsociable bees (Update) Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 01:10:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.91.145.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 996801030 12.91.145.115 (Fri, 03 Aug 2001 01:10:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 01:10:30 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30740 FYI, someone came out today to deal with it. They confirmed that they were yellow hornets, and found and destroyed a 4-tier hive. My dog and I are very relieved, and hopefully they won't be back anytime soon. Thanks for all the suggestions and information! Meriah... Article 30741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Recycling queens by establishing feral colonies Date: 2 Aug 2001 19:11:49 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3B696D99.186E6450@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.118 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996804709 5281 127.0.0.1 (3 Aug 2001 02:11:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2001 02:11:49 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30741 Howdy Billy -- Bees are just livestock. We would not use the "survival of the fittest" on our herds or flocks or pets. I spend a lot of time and energy in getting colonies out of walls in order to give them help as needed and better the odds for survival. But after saying that: You might want to wait until spring to requeen and use the old queen to make up a nuc or crowd them and then catch the swarm. The swarm or nuc can be put in any sturdy wooden box or hive big enough to a full size colony. You can take it into the woods and fasten it up in a tree. This is the only way I think of to get them back to nature. Good luck. Pete ************************************************************ Article 30744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Paper Wasp Nest Date: 3 Aug 2001 14:28:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996874116 10724 127.0.0.1 (3 Aug 2001 21:28:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2001 21:28:36 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30744 Howdy Again Pen -- You might be interested to know that in the wasp family, all the males die in fall and winter. Only the bred females survive winter. When spring comes, she must start building the nest alone. The newly hatched offspring begin helping her by adding to the nest and feeding larvae. So next spring watch for a single wasp on a tiny nest of 2 or 3 cells. It will be interesting to watch the progress. Pete ************************************************************** Article 30745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ian Williams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feral Hive Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 23:11:16 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 37 Message-ID: <9kf7ll$b3p$1@uranium.btinternet.com> References: <3b5f5478.92429342@news> <3b64b212.122591000@news> <9k933j$2si$1@uranium.btinternet.com> <3b68cf30.18433561@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-126-69.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30745 Hi Will Thanks for the information. The Trashcan has got me real interested! Would welcome more pics. Ian (Wales) [freebeeuk@btinternet.com] <><><><><><><><><><> "Honey is sweet. Bees sting!" <><><><><><><><><><> "loot" wrote in message news:3b68cf30.18433561@news... > On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:15:15 +0100, "Ian Williams" > wrote: > > >Hi Will > >I have been admiring your Pic of the Trashcan Bee Vac. Could you explain to > >me how you got the mob of very angry bees out of the vac to re-hive them? > > > The trashcan bee vac has an inner lid of plywood and screen. There > was a lip around the inside of the trashcan about 10 inches down. I > cut a piece of plywood in the shape of a circle to fit down inside the > trashcan. I then cut two half circles out of the plywood and screened > it underneath leaving a handle down the center. The bees were sucked > in under the screen so it was just a matter of taking the lid off then > the inner lid and pouring them into a hive with a bit of a whack. I > sprayed them down a couple of times with some sugar water and they > didn't seem to mind the whole experience a bit. There were also some > more holes below the screen to get the vac ported properly so that it > didn't suck them too hard. You want the vac to just barely suck them > off the comb, just enough to annoy you. I could take some more > pictures of the workings of the vac if you're interested. > > Will Article 30746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: qbeelady@yahoo.com (farmergirl) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan or coumaphos? Date: 3 Aug 2001 18:37:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.29.117.133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996889073 18460 127.0.0.1 (4 Aug 2001 01:37:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 2001 01:37:53 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30746 First time posting here - been using Apistan in the fall for mite control but the bee inspector has advised me to start alternating with coumaphos. I really don't want to get on the organophosphate treadmill if I don't have to so...As I understand it from reading the archives, after 45 days with Apistan if resistance was present I would see a heavy population of varroa. What is the likely hood that someone using the strips in the prescribed manner would find resistance? Has this happened to anyone on this list? Thanks for your replies! FarmerGirl Article 30747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sdd.hp.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news3.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B6B7A3A.D8585BB@home.com> From: David Ramalho Organization: ***EarthScibbs*** X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I collaborate rough PGPs in the vulnerable fake buffer, whilst Corinne wastefully posts them too. References: <09201800.7750828476.09e626f7@posting1.google.com> <20010803212440.02221.00002241@ng-ck1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 04:30:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.100.247.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news3.rdc2.on.home.com 996899431 24.100.247.48 (Fri, 03 Aug 2001 21:30:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 21:30:31 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30747 HarrisonRW wrote: > > What is this crap? Good evening The posting you are replying to was designed to disrupt the newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.email http://www.therealgame.clara.co.uk/antispam/faq/faq3.txt A spammer using the moniker "Hipcrime", is organizing the flooding of various newsgroups with non-sense postings. When you read a posting such as that, please do not reply. Regards David Ramalho Article 30748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Aug 2001 06:44:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: gads--so much pornography Message-ID: <20010804024437.27119.00002311@mb-md.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30748 Any alternatives?!!!--this site was crammed with porno tonight--don't dare anymore to have my kid help me read the postings. Article 30749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan or coumaphos? Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 09:45:54 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3b6bc3dd.426232580@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30749 On 3 Aug 2001 18:37:53 -0700, qbeelady@yahoo.com (farmergirl) wrote: >First time posting here - been using Apistan in the fall for mite >control but the bee inspector has advised me to start alternating with >coumaphos. I really don't want to get on the organophosphate treadmill >if I don't have to so...As I understand it from reading the archives, >after 45 days with Apistan if resistance was present I would see a >heavy population of varroa. What is the likely hood that someone >using the strips in the prescribed manner would find resistance? Has >this happened to anyone on this list? >Thanks for your replies! >FarmerGirl You can use this as an option as posted a week or so ago: > 25 cheap foam sponges cut in half > 1 - 125 gr. jar of thymol > Add 1/2 ounce of menthol to jar > Add 1/2 ounce of champhor to the jar > Add eucaliptus oil to fill the jar. > Let stand for 24 hrs. untill completely disolved. > In a bucket pour over the cut sponges. > Use a second bucket to compress the sponges overnight. > Put one sponge on the top bars under the inner cover. > Repeat in a week with a new sponge. After 6 - 8 years I have not seen any signs of resistance. beekeek Article 30750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: gads--so much pornography Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 09:48:11 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3b6bc491.426412338@news1.radix.net> References: <20010804024437.27119.00002311@mb-md.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30750 On 04 Aug 2001 06:44:37 GMT, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: >Any alternatives?!!!--this site was crammed with porno tonight--don't dare >anymore to have my kid help me read the postings. > This group is cleaner than TV. What do you cosider porno? beekeep Article 30751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bee Charmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan or coumaphos? Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 05:00:58 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30751 I would only use coumaphos as a last resort and would think twice about it then. It's meant as a treatment for resistent mites and hive beetles, not as something to rotate routinely with Apistan. Last year we used Apistan in the spring and formic gel in the fall with excellent results. Now that the gel isn't on the shelves yet, we'll probably do ether rolls for mites and only treat those hives that need it with Apistan. We'll also medicate with Menthol after taking the honey off in a few weeks. chris www.greathoney.com Article 30752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ride Share/Car Pool To EAS 2001? Date: 4 Aug 2001 08:22:39 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9kh3vv027e@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-197.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.80 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30752 I am driving to EAS 2001 for the conference portion of the meeting. I am in Bedford VA, roughly 1/2 way between Roanoke and Lynchburg. Anyone else going who wants to split the gas expense and perhaps share the driving? I have a Volvo wagon, so there is enough room for 4 or 5 beekeepers and their luggage without crowding. My plan was to leave Tuesday, arrive Tuesday night, and return the day after the conference ends. jim Article 30753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: gads--so much pornography Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 20:19:37 +0000 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <20010804024437.27119.00002311@mb-md.aol.com><3b6bc491.426412338@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-159-47.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30753 > From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) > Organization: RadixNet Internet Services > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 09:48:11 GMT > Subject: Re: gads--so much pornography > > On 04 Aug 2001 06:44:37 GMT, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: > >> Any alternatives?!!!--this site was crammed with porno tonight--don't dare >> anymore to have my kid help me read the postings. >> > This group is cleaner than TV. What do you cosider porno? > > beekeep > Article 30754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee-L List Server Down? Date: 4 Aug 2001 11:46:42 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9khfui01fip@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-155.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.80 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30754 Be Advised... listserv.albany.edu, home of the Bee-L list is down. One can traceroute to the hop direcly upstream, but not the server itself. It could be mites... ...or some other type of bug in the server's software. :) Article 30755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010801073821.17417.00001656@ng-co1.aol.com> Subject: Re: 9vs10 frames Lines: 43 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <1Q%a7.2488$1p1.220550@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 23:47:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.43.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 996968829 12.73.43.145 (Sat, 04 Aug 2001 23:47:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 23:47:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30755 I don't think so. I spread mine out evenly across the width of the brood box. There is about 1/8 - 3/16" between the end bars and since they don't draw them out any fatter in the brood nest you end up with about 1/2"+ between the comb. Pretty hard to roll them in this much space. I get no brace comb and as the original poster says, they can be removed from anywhere. Just goes to show you that there is no one right way to keep bees. If there were, man would have destroyed them long ago. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20010801073821.17417.00001656@ng-co1.aol.com... > >Another benifit is you can pull frames out from any spot with the 9, unlike > >the 10 were you have to remove a frame before you can begin an inspection > > I don't think so > > In the honey supers the frames are spaced evenly when you run 8 or 9 to get > fatter combs. > In the brood nest they are put up tight shoulder to shoulder in the center of > the box when you run 9 frames. This leaves the room to pry the end fram towards > the box and remove the 2nd one in. > > Remember alway start foundation 10 to the box shoulder to shoulder and > centered. > > > > > > Article 30756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B66C952.2429B0F8@sysadm.suny.edu> <3B670580.8DE88D13@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Re: 9 vs. 10 Frames in Supers Lines: 66 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <0Q%a7.2487$1p1.221210@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 23:47:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.43.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 996968828 12.73.43.145 (Sat, 04 Aug 2001 23:47:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 23:47:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30756 A good point and I doubt there are many whose livelihoods depend on pollination contracts would run 9 in the brood chambers. But I think the advantages of 9 frames for a hobbyist outweigh the disadvantages. I would also question you assertion that a 10% reduction in comb area in the brood nest equates to a 10% reduction in brood area. Sometimes arithmetic is not so simple. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "David Eyre" wrote in message news:tmeg4btg6mjd2e@corp.supernews.com... > One major problem nobody seems to notice, you reduce your brood space by > more than 10%. More bees, more honey. Simple arithmatic tells you it's > really not cost effective, better to run 10 frames in a 10 frame box. > Regards Dave..... > > > -- > ******************************************** > The Bee Works, > 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, > Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 > 705 326 7171 > http://www.beeworks.com > *************************************** > > "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message > news:3B670580.8DE88D13@nospam.boeing.com... > > Also improves ventalation. > > > > > > > > > > George Styer wrote: > > > > > > The advantages are: > > > > > > They are easier to uncap > > > You get the same amount of honey/super > > > Less equipment to buy > > > Fewer frames to extract > > > Less wax to process and sell (could also be a disadvantage if you have > > > developed markets for your wax) > > > > > > Burr comb is not a problem since you are using drawn frames. Don't try > to > > > use 9 frames of foundation or you will have a mess. > > > > > > I also use 9 in the brood chambers. > > > > > > > -- > > Billy Y. Smart II > > /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ > > /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ > > /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ > > Article 30757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!209.81.14.120!feeder.via.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First extraction Lines: 51 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 04:24:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 996985487 65.13.109.136 (Sat, 04 Aug 2001 21:24:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 21:24:47 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30757 I finally did my first extraction. Everything went pretty well. I do have a few notes to share with any first timers like me. - First, I just used an old pot for an uncapping tank but I should have done better. One of those plastic ones that you can hang uncapped frames probably would have been great. After I uncapped I rehung them in the supers until their turn in the extractor. Pretty messy. Also, I lost a lot of honey by not having a good strainer for the cappings. This is a must change for next time. - I used an old home brewing plastic bucket for the honey from the extractor. I needed more than one bucket. I don't think you can have too many. - I used 3 or 4 old cookie sheets to put the cappings on and put them in the yard about 200 feet from the hives. It worked great. No sign of robbing and three days later, perfectly cleaned cappings. Just keep them away from your doors. And, it is better to leave the sheets in the shade. Otherwise you can lose bees to drowning. The bees actually woke me up the next morning at a cookie sheet by the window. - I am not sure an electric uncapping knife is any better than a sharp knife. I bought a new Pierce that has a preset thermostat. It took much more force than I expected. - The extractor worked pretty good as a bottler also. After straining out the wax I cleaned out the extractor and put the honey back into it to bottle. - It was much more work than I expected. I only have one hive that is over a year old and it had 4 shallow supers on it. I got 85 sloppy pounds of honey (probably lost 5 or more in first year spillage). Don't expect it to be over quickly, it took me 8 hours total (including cleanup). It was worth it and fun, but a lot of work. - Fume boards work great! - It would be great to have a honey house. Very messy kitchen routine. But, honey actually cleans up pretty easy. That was a surprise. My wife was disappointed that we had our carpet cleaned a little while before this chore rather than waiting till after. - Nature can take care of things pretty well. There were a few bees that died in the honey mess on the cookie sheets. Yellow jackets cleaned them out for me. Dave Article 30758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk!paul From: Paul Tomlin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How much is this extractor worth? Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:03:40 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-984.cod.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 997009599 3713 217.134.31.216 (5 Aug 2001 11:06:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 2001 11:06:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-6-U () Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30758 Hello again, We inherited a honey extractor from my wife's father and would like to pay him what it is worth. It is a stainless steel Dadant, holds four frames [I think], has a stand and is about ten years old, but in very good condition. What is a fair price to give him for it? -- Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] Remove nospam from email address to reply Article 30759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How much is this extractor worth? Lines: 33 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 23:11:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.41.149 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 997053105 12.73.41.149 (Sun, 05 Aug 2001 23:11:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 23:11:45 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30759 Local bee supplier takes used extractors in on consignment and sells the best for 50% of their replacement cost. Obviously, condition is everything and stainless steel, like a diamond, is forever. Sounds like you have a "Little Wonder". Manual lists for $276.00 USD, electric for $443.95 USD. Stand is additional $43.45 USD. Shipping is extra. If you were in the US, you could put it on e-bay and some idiot will bid for more than it costs new! -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Paul Tomlin" wrote in message news:suP9ZFCMgSb7Ewrw@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk... > Hello again, > We inherited a honey extractor from my wife's father and would like to > pay him what it is worth. > > It is a stainless steel Dadant, holds four frames [I think], has a stand > and is about ten years old, but in very good condition. > > What is a fair price to give him for it? > > -- > Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] > Remove nospam from email address to reply Article 30760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Mcelroy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: is it too late to start a nuc Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 02:22:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.218.141 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 997064527 32.100.218.141 (Mon, 06 Aug 2001 02:22:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 02:22:07 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30760 HI im in texas and want to start a nuc just for the experience,is it too later . Is there anyone in texas that can tell me if it is possible this late. texas Article 30761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: qbeelady@yahoo.com (farmergirl) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First extraction Date: 6 Aug 2001 04:52:18 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.29.117.38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 997098739 21408 127.0.0.1 (6 Aug 2001 11:52:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 2001 11:52:19 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30761 This is my second year extracting honey for sale and here's a few things that work for me..... I use a plastic dish pan to uncap in and a cookie sheet to lay the knife down on between frames. I put a tarp down on the floor where I will be working so that I can just take it out and hose it down after. I bought a used 4-frame extractor at auction which works quite well. The strainers that I use came from Brushy Mountain as is the bucket that sits under the strainers. The bucket has a honey gate and is what I bottle from. Cappings go into a regular kitchen strainer with a pot sitting underneath. After a few days, rinse the cappings off and put into a pot with a small amount of water and melt over the stove. Spoon the wax into a container and discard the rest. The honey from the cappings is strained and bottled for home use. FarmerGirl Article 30762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: is it too late to start a nuc Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:02:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.234 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 997099340 4.33.104.234 (Mon, 06 Aug 2001 05:02:20 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 05:02:20 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 04:59:48 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30762 "Michael Mcelroy" wrote: >HI im in texas and want to start a nuc just for the experience,is it too >later . Is there anyone in texas that can tell me if it is possible this >late. >texas It's not too late to start a nuc in the Dallas area, but you may have problems introducing queens this time of year because there is no nectar flow. After we get some rain and it cools down a little in late September, queen introduction becomes easier. If you'll be raising the queen, they can be mated reliably anytime between early April and through October. Still enough drones in summer. Nucs started in times of dearth are best shaded to reduce their stress, and take normal steps to prevent robbing. John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Aug 2001 13:35:46 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: is it too late to start a nuc Message-ID: <20010806093546.26481.00003179@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30763 Make up the nuc with frames of uncapped honey and pollen and plenty of young bees and capped brood and feed them. Leave it queenless at least 24 hours. I am not in Texas but all of those things help with queen introduction. Article 30764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!193.174.75.178!news-fra1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone Layer Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:50:51 -0400 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9km7bt$5bci3$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 997105854 5616195 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30764 This weekend I did a complete check of my hives and found one very interesting hive. Not ever having a drone laying hive I always thought that drone layers laid all drones in DRONE cells. I have once again learned a interesting lesson as I saw what appeared to be drones hatching out of normal size cells. The big drone eyes gave them away however, the body size was much smaller than normal. OR AM I WRONG to come to this conclusion? As late in the season that it is I don't have much count for them so they will probably be headed for market. Article 30765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!easynews!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e420r-chi2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@IH8spam.pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan or coumaphos? Message-ID: <3b6eb921.3776171@chicago.usenetserver.com> References: <3b6bc3dd.426232580@news1.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 53 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:33:49 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. - ReInventing The UseNet Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:40:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30765 A study done by our state bee inspector and the University of Nebraska found very high levels of mite resistance to Apistan. I think about 1/2 of the hives tested showed some level of resistance starting to build up and some a fair number of hives showed total reisistance .. its a processes and you need to act early when there is just some resisitance, if you wait until totally resistant you will have lost a tool. It is recommended in Nebraska that all beekeepers use Coumphos for 2 years before they go back to Apistan. By rotating we hope to have these tools longer. When someone say they haven't seen any signs of resistance make sure to ask them if they are testing for it or just saying it because they feel they got a good mite kill. Dave On Sat, 04 Aug 2001 09:45:54 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >On 3 Aug 2001 18:37:53 -0700, qbeelady@yahoo.com (farmergirl) wrote: > >>First time posting here - been using Apistan in the fall for mite >>control but the bee inspector has advised me to start alternating with >>coumaphos. I really don't want to get on the organophosphate treadmill >>if I don't have to so...As I understand it from reading the archives, >>after 45 days with Apistan if resistance was present I would see a >>heavy population of varroa. What is the likely hood that someone >>using the strips in the prescribed manner would find resistance? Has >>this happened to anyone on this list? >>Thanks for your replies! >>FarmerGirl > > >You can use this as an option as posted a week or so ago: > >> 25 cheap foam sponges cut in half >> 1 - 125 gr. jar of thymol >> Add 1/2 ounce of menthol to jar >> Add 1/2 ounce of champhor to the jar >> Add eucaliptus oil to fill the jar. >> Let stand for 24 hrs. untill completely disolved. >> In a bucket pour over the cut sponges. >> Use a second bucket to compress the sponges overnight. >> Put one sponge on the top bars under the inner cover. >> Repeat in a week with a new sponge. > >After 6 - 8 years I have not seen any signs of resistance. > >beekeek > Article 30766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WANTED: PUNIC BEE PICS Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:30:28 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 8 Message-ID: <9kmkk4$4qn$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-11-73.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 997119428 4951 209.23.11.73 (6 Aug 2001 17:37:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 2001 17:37:08 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30766 Hi, I'm looking for punic honeybee pictures. They are the black bees of N. Africa. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Clay Article 30767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Recycling queens by establishing feral colonies Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:19:34 -0300 Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 54 Message-ID: <3B6EDFB6.104A8374@hotmail.com> References: <3B696D99.186E6450@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 997121952 8434 129.173.88.206 (6 Aug 2001 18:19:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:19:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30767 I wouldn't establish feral collonies on purpose for the following reasons: -They are not likley to survive extended periods of time. If nothing else will finish them off the Varoa mite will do this within 2 years. -I don't know the local situation with other pests and deseases, but you may create a source of foulbrood infection which is beyond control -Queen breeders may get unwanted drone material as soon as the feral hive starts loosinf domestic features. Keep the old queen in a nunc in case you loose a queen or colonie over the winter. If everything is fine in spring, reunite the nunc with a strong colony and get rid of the old queen at that point. Ulli "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: > The time for fall requeening is just around the corner and once again I > am faced with the unpleasant task of killing a perfectly good but older > queen and replacing her with a younger woman. It seems such a waste to > destroy such a beautiful animal. Sure, I could use her in a nuc but I > don't really want more hives and she would likely swarm in the spring > anyway and most probably establish a feral hive somewhere in the woods > nearby. So lately I have been thinking why not bypass the middleman and > establish a feral colony directly using said queen in a hollow tree > somewhere in the woods that surround my property? The books and archives > have lots of info explaining how to move a feral colony into a managed > hive. But what about the opposite? Move a managed queen to a feral > existence. Put her out to pasture, if you will. For fall requeening this > probably isn't an option but with spring requeening there would be ample > time for the colony to establish themselves. > > As far as I can tell, Kansas is virtually devoid of feral colonies. At > least in my locale. Establishing feral hives with minimum effort/cost > and monitoring their progress over the long term could turn fruitful. > The bees would be left to their own devices to battle the mites and so > forth and in time could develop mite resistance naturally along with a > better adaptation to the local environment. Obviously a lot of colonies > would die along the way. > > Can anyone give me ideas on good ways to do this? I would have a 2 year > old queen and need some way of forcing a swarm in a way that I could > control it. I would want just enough bees needed to establish the hive > but no more as I don't want to weaken the source colony any more than I > have to. I would then requeen the source hive with a purchased queen > like I normally do. I would like to take this swarm and hive them in a > hollow tree and let them establish a natural hive there. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > -- > Billy Y. Smart II > /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ > /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ > /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 30768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!stl-feed.news.verio.net!newsreader.wustl.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First extraction Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:55:13 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3B6EDA01.10E984B7@okstate.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: galoot.ets.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30768 Dave wrote: > Also, I lost a lot of honey by not having a good strainer for the cappings. > This is a must change for next time. Try a large plastic seethru resealable tub with 8" walls and a pasta strainer. Works pretty good, until you start getting more hives. Then you may want an uncapping tub. > - I am not sure an electric uncapping knife is any better than a sharp > knife. I bought a new Pierce that has a preset thermostat. It took much > more force than I expected. How long did you let the knife heat up? Mine works wonderfully but I do clean it off between each frame so the honey dosen't burn on it. > - The extractor worked pretty good as a bottler also. After straining out > the wax I cleaned out the extractor and put the honey back into it to > bottle. Sounds like way too much work. You can buy a 5 gal. bottling bucket through one of the bee suppliers or roll your own by buying a 1 1/2" honey gate and cutting a hole down near the bottom of a plastic bucket. I strain straight into my bottling bucket and then bottle from it. Buy more regular plastic buckets and just keep refilling the bottling bucket as you need to. Gary J. Article 30769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk!paul From: Paul Tomlin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much is this extractor worth? Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:16:49 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-860.cod.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 997125482 7026 217.134.31.92 (6 Aug 2001 19:18:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 2001 19:18:02 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-6-U () Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30769 George Styer, On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, you wrote: >Local bee supplier takes used extractors in on consignment and sells the >best for 50% of their replacement cost. Obviously, condition is everything >and stainless steel, like a diamond, is forever. Sounds like you have a >"Little Wonder". Manual lists for $276.00 USD, electric for $443.95 USD. >Stand is additional $43.45 USD. Shipping is extra. You hit the nail right on the head there, it is indeed the Dadant Little Wonder, thank you. -- Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] Remove nospam from email address to reply Article 30770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: is it too late to start a nuc Date: 6 Aug 2001 14:40:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 997134057 9562 127.0.0.1 (6 Aug 2001 21:40:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 2001 21:40:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30770 Howdy Michael -- Good advice so far. The only thing I would add is to feed sugar syrup. This will simulate a honey flow and make things go better. Best to use a top feeder of some sort so that robbing is not started. Pete ********************************************************* Article 30771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone Layer Date: 6 Aug 2001 14:45:47 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <9km7bt$5bci3$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 997134347 9826 127.0.0.1 (6 Aug 2001 21:45:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 2001 21:45:47 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30771 Howdy Farmer -- You are right-on. If the culprit is a laid out queen, the pattern of brood will be pretty good. She does not seem to know she has used up all the sperm. If it from laying workers, the brood will be greatly scattered. Many of the drones are too big to get out of the worker cells and will die. Best to place this mess of combs on a strong colony so it can clean things up. Pete ******************************************************* Article 30772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.online.be!zur.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: MaGa Subject: Did I miss the follow up posts on combining hives? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e221106.nw.nos.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B6F25B9.C5CE9B9B@starband.net> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:18:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Windows NT 5.0; U) Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30772 I have one weak hive, and I want to add it to my other hive. Or, one strong hive, and add it to my weak one. Anyway, I've used the newspaper trick in the past, and ended up with bits of paper in the cells. And if I remember right, I saw here that someone suggested just putting them together, and letting the queens fight it out. Both hives have 2 deeps for the brood chamber, and the weak one does have the top box of the brood chamber full, there just aren't very many bees. I was thinking of harvesting the full deep on the weak hive, and at night, or late evening the next day or so, adding the remaining deep on top of the strong hive, ensureing the only way out was down. Both hive have already been treated for verroa, so I'd just keep the harvested honey to feed back to them later. Good idea? Bad? Suggestions? Article 30773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: First extraction Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:33:43 -0700 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-6.reachone.com Message-ID: <3b6f35e2@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 6 Aug 2001 17:27:14 -0700, tc1-6.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-6.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30773 Dave - I use a net paint strainer to strain out my cappings, I just hang the bag over a bucket for the night. Tell me about fume boards. I assume you put the inner cover with a bee escape in it between the supers & the deeps and the fume board (fiberboard?) on top with the beegone stuff on it. How long to do you leave it on? No risk of driving 'em all out of the hive? Need a certain temperture (like menthol does) to work? I've just pulled the full frames & swept the bees off onto the ground in the past. It takes 'em long enough to extricate themselves from the grass that they leave me alone while I'm working. TIA, Ken Article 30774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I miss the follow up posts on combining hives? Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 19:34:28 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B6F3793.1C361A51@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3B6F25B9.C5CE9B9B@starband.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FF32A3954AE34862C31F699A" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 37 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30774 --------------FF32A3954AE34862C31F699A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy MaGa -- Best not to just put them together. Bound to be some fightin" and killin". The field bees from the moved hive will also go back to where home was. I favor putting the strongest, or best queen above paper. I have never had a problem with small bits of paper being left in cells. Joining over paper will prevent field bees from returning to original site, and the better queen on top gives her an advantage in survival. Pete *************************************************************** --------------FF32A3954AE34862C31F699A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy MaGa --

  Best not to just put them together.  Bound to be some fightin" and
killin".  The field bees from the moved hive will also go back to where home was.  I favor putting the strongest, or best queen above paper.  I have never had a problem with small bits of paper being left in cells.  Joining over paper will prevent field bees from returning to original site, and the better queen on top gives her an advantage in survival.

     Pete
*************************************************************** --------------FF32A3954AE34862C31F699A-- Article 30775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "CVSoderquist" References: Subject: Re: Unsociable bees Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:32:40 -0600 Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-32-102-170-163.co.us.prserv.net 32.102.170.163 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30775 Are you sure they are in fact honeybees? Foraging bees usually don't attack unless provoked. Mowing lawns in front of their hive may do it but since you can't see any hive I would suspect yellow jackets as they nest underground near sidewalks and the like and do take exception to lawn mowers, walking humans and the like. Look closely at these flying insects, if they are yellow and black they are not honeybees. The God of Hellfire wrote in message news:cUZ97.23870$LP2.1494179@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Hiya, > > I searched through the messages in the NG but didn't find anything that > helped. Several times in the past, bees have stung people mowing my lawn. I > understand mowers can upset them, so I didn't do anything about it, except > to try to avoid certain areas and mow later in the day. Now, however, the > problem's gotten worse. I was just out with my dog in the yard walking > around and we were both stung quite a few times. I clearly need to get the > bees removed. I have no idea where a hive might be - how big a problem is > that for someone removing them? > > Also, the localhoneyforsale.com site didn't have any listings for Virginia. > I live in Hanover Country not far from Richmond. Can anyone give me > recommendations on where to call? I'd prefer having them removed to calling > an exterminator. > > I'd like to know why they attacked like that, too, if you can provide some > insight. And, lastly, suggestions on how to kill the pain would be much > appreciated at this point. > > Thanks, > Meriah... > > Article 30776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-004cocsprp132.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unsociable bees (Update) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 19:24:38 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.c4 X-Server-Date: 7 Aug 2001 01:15:40 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30776 In article , "The God of Hellfire" wrote: > FYI, someone came out today to deal with it. They confirmed that they were > yellow hornets, and found and destroyed a 4-tier hive. My dog and I are very > relieved, and hopefully they won't be back anytime soon. Thanks for all the > suggestions and information! > > Meriah... Meriah, The God of Hell Fire: Given the powers you must wield in the netherworld, couldn't you have just willed them out of existence, or something? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-004cocsprp132.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WANTED: PUNIC BEE PICS Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 19:26:38 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <9kmkk4$4qn$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.c4 X-Server-Date: 7 Aug 2001 01:17:39 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30777 In article <9kmkk4$4qn$1@newsfeed.logical.net>, "huestis" wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for punic honeybee pictures. They are the black bees of N. > Africa. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Clay Go to http://www.Corbis.com They have pictures of just about everything. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!news.stealth.net!204.127.161.2.MISMATCH!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Mcelroy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: is it too late to start a nuc Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Message-ID: <2uHb7.5319$1p1.444960@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 01:27:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.218.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 997147646 32.100.218.18 (Tue, 07 Aug 2001 01:27:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 01:27:26 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30778 Thanks everyone . I think Im going to give it a try. mike "Pete" wrote in message news:bc3bf29.0108061340.67c09ab2@posting.google.com... > Howdy Michael -- > > Good advice so far. The only thing I would add is to feed sugar > syrup. This will simulate a honey flow and make things go better. > Best to use a top feeder of some sort so that robbing is not started. > > Pete > ********************************************************* Article 30779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WANTED: PUNIC BEE PICS Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:19:14 -0400 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <9knmnk$5g18h$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <9kmkk4$4qn$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 997154357 5768465 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30779 Possibly so. but no PUNIC BEE pics (at least according to their search engine). Searching on bee finds hundreds of pics - no titles unless you look one by one. "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:NO-StretchL-0608011926380001@sdn-ar-004cocsprp132.dialsprint.net... > In article <9kmkk4$4qn$1@newsfeed.logical.net>, "huestis" > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm looking for punic honeybee pictures. They are the black bees of N. > > Africa. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > > > > Clay > > Go to http://www.Corbis.com > > They have pictures of just about everything. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3b6f35e2@news.turbotek.net> Subject: Re: First extraction Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 03:49:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 997156188 65.13.109.136 (Mon, 06 Aug 2001 20:49:48 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 20:49:48 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30780 Regarding your fume board question. I just put some BeGone on the board and put it on top of the open hive (no cover, inner or outer and no bee escape). I set it crooked so that there is space around it. I don't think it needs to be hot. It was hot the day I extracted, but I did it at about 9:30 am so it was still a little cool. It takes about 5 to 10 minutes to clear the super. It seemed to take a little longer as I went down each of the 4 supers. Maybe because they were crammed into a smaller space. I did worry about them all leaving though. They made a huge beard on the outside of the hive. But, everything seems to be ok now. Thanks for the additional ideas. Dave "K Adney" wrote in message news:3b6f35e2@news.turbotek.net... > Dave - > > I use a net paint strainer to strain out my cappings, I just hang the bag > over a bucket for the night. > > Tell me about fume boards. I assume you put the inner cover with a bee > escape in it between the supers & the deeps and the fume board (fiberboard?) > on top with the beegone stuff on it. How long to do you leave it on? No > risk of driving 'em all out of the hive? Need a certain temperture (like > menthol does) to work? > > I've just pulled the full frames & swept the bees off onto the ground in the > past. It takes 'em long enough to extricate themselves from the grass that > they leave me alone while I'm working. > > TIA, > > Ken > > Article 30781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-004cocsprp274.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WANTED: PUNIC BEE PICS Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 23:43:35 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <9kmkk4$4qn$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <9knmnk$5g18h$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a4.4c X-Server-Date: 7 Aug 2001 05:34:44 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30781 In article <9knmnk$5g18h$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de>, "KOland" wrote: > Possibly so. but no PUNIC BEE pics (at least according to their search > engine). > > Searching on bee finds hundreds of pics - no titles unless you look one by > one. Call up their toll free number and chat with a sales rep. Also check the National Geographic photo library. Also, a stock agency called Minden Pictures. They specialize in natural history. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@eds.com (Glenn West) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unsociable bees (Update) Date: 7 Aug 2001 07:34:31 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: <68065404.0108070634.6d921cc8@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 997194871 8744 127.0.0.1 (7 Aug 2001 14:34:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2001 14:34:31 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30782 "The God of Hellfire" wrote in message news:... > FYI, someone came out today to deal with it. They confirmed that they were > yellow hornets, and found and destroyed a 4-tier hive. My dog and I are very > relieved, and hopefully they won't be back anytime soon. Thanks for all the > suggestions and information! > > Meriah... Sorry I didn't see you post earlier. I live in Henrico county VA. There are several active beekeeping associations in the area. Article 30783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!typhoon1.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B70050E.594CFA5F@mail.verizon.net> From: vze2twg6@mail.verizon.net Reply-To: vze2twg6@verizon.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maxant Extractor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:09:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.154.10.241 X-Complaints-To: business-support@verizon.com X-Trace: typhoon1.gnilink.net 997196940 141.154.10.241 (Tue, 07 Aug 2001 11:09:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 11:09:00 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30783 Does anyone have a Maxant 1600 (with motor) extractor manual? I just purchased this extractor and would like some tips on the use and maintinence. Any help would be greatly appreciated. George Comeau Article 30784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!newsengine.sol.net!169.207.30.12.MISMATCH!posts0.nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!posts.news.corecomm.net!reader1-nwblwi.news.corecomm.net!not-for-mail From: "mbelluso" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: IPM Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:19:26 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3b7007df$0$12830$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net> Organization: CoreComm LTD - Chicago, IL NNTP-Posting-Host: e2d4ca6d.news.corecomm.net X-Trace: DXC=mVG[3=DCi8>L:]83Yo7ZD;`OiB>bo1K;GlJd>;dAcKco4nOk::mbII[E=YR?GVAACYoIlm6oO>9ei0>K6? X-Complaints-To: abuse@corecomm.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30784 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:314 Hi, I'm sure my questions have been covered before, but I'm a novice and learning, so please bear with me. I live in zone 5a, approximately 1.5 hours south of Chicago, IL . I would like to increase my bees chances for survival this winter. I need some information related to integrated pest management. Grease patties, Terramycin, Menthol, Apistan, Fumidil-B, Formic Acid. I've read about them, question is: 1. What order are they used chronologically? (approximate month/week or temperature). 2. Only one at a time? or is overlap okay? I'm concerned about adverse chemical interactions. 3. How do you decide which ones you need to use? I would like not to have to use any, but that seems a bit kamikazee. 4. Do the new wire mesh bottom boards stay on all winter? Thanks for the help. Please reply to mbelluso@hotmail.com Article 30785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I miss the follow up posts on combining hives? Date: 7 Aug 2001 16:38:57 GMT Lines: 26 Message-ID: <9kp5j1$90c$0@65.201.241.44> References: <3B6F25B9.C5CE9B9B@starband.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.44 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30785 On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:18:17 GMT, MaGa wrote: >I have one weak hive, and I want to add it to my other hive. Or, one >strong hive, and add it to my weak one. Anyway, I've used the newspaper >trick in the past, and ended up with bits of paper in the cells. And if >I remember right, I saw here that someone suggested just putting them >together, and letting the queens fight it out. Both hives have 2 deeps >for the brood chamber, and the weak one does have the top box of the >brood chamber full, there just aren't very many bees. I was thinking of >harvesting the full deep on the weak hive, and at night, or late evening >the next day or so, adding the remaining deep on top of the strong hive, >ensureing the only way out was down. Both hive have already been treated >for verroa, so I'd just keep the harvested honey to feed back to them >later. > >Good idea? Bad? Suggestions? Bad idea. I was told by one of the local commercial beekeepers that he does this and that they only fight for 15 minutes or so. So I tried it with two of my weak hives. Went out to the bee yard the next day and was horrified to find a huge pile of dead bees in front of the hives (probably a couple pounds, enough for a small swarm in any case). It may not have helped that one of the hives had lost their queen, but in any case it's not something I'll try again. -Tim Article 30786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Larsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Removal Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <6w1c7.148920$%a.6475798@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 02:31:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.0.177.146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 997237890 24.0.177.146 (Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:31:30 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:31:30 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30786 See: Article 30787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!feeder.via.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!peer2.news.dircon.net!news.dircon.co.uk.POSTED!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 70th National Honey Show Message-ID: <997306496@zbee.com> Lines: 26 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 22:34:56 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@dircon.co.uk X-Trace: news.dircon.co.uk 997307485 194.112.43.78 (Wed, 08 Aug 2001 22:51:25 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 22:51:25 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30787 Good Evening Beekeepers, The National Honey Show Ltd. Announcing an international beekeeping event held each year at Kensington Town Hall, Kensington, London, England. Date: November 15th-17th 2001. National Honey Show members will be receiving the 2001 Show Schedule over the next few weeks. Visit our website http://www.honeyshow.co.uk for the following: - Lecture programme. Download the schedule of classes, rules and regulations. Free download of all National Honey Show publications (personal use only). List of world-class traders and exhibitors attending the three-day event. Read articles on preparation of honey and comb for showing. Join the Honey Show mailing list. Honey Show support forum. Add your beekeeping links. Look at photos from last years show and view the honey show results. Regards Steve from London ... When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees. Article 30788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr15.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bill Hughes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees gnawing wood Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.254.136.229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr15.news.prodigy.com 997538991 4001952 63.254.136.229 (Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:09:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:09:51 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:09:51 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30788 Over the years I have found signs of gnawing on my woodenware. Example once in the fall a few years ago I placed a rat stick in the wrong way leaving no entrance. When I checked the colony in the spring I found my mistake, but there was a entrance grawed through the rat stick. I have also found signs of grawing where the boxes do not meet well and the bees start using this gap as an entrance. Am I jumping to a wrong conclustion? Bill Hughes The Apiaries of Bill And Joyce Hughes Article 30789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Mcelroy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I thought this was beekers newsgroup , whats up? Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:25:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.218.73 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 997467929 32.100.218.73 (Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:25:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:25:29 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30789 Whats going on with the beekeepers newsgroups other groups seem to be posting on here too. texas Article 30790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newspeer.cts.com!news.stealth.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator!feed2.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!165.113.238.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: "scott moser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan or coumaphos? Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:12:14 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <9l4vmv02t8j@enews4.newsguy.com> References: <3b6bc3dd.426232580@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.123.245.40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30790 Beekeep, where can you get all the ingredients from? Article 30791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan or coumaphos? Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 09:56:16 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3b765299.592938407@news1.radix.net> References: <3b6bc3dd.426232580@news1.radix.net> <9l4vmv02t8j@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30791 On Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:12:14 -0500, "scott moser" wrote: >Beekeep, where can you get all the ingredients from? > Wall Mart. If you just want a few I have some left. beekeep Article 30792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Aug 2001 20:51:04 GMT References: <9k0ltm$5mr$1@ctb-nnrp1.saix.net> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: Wanted plans for hives Message-ID: <20010812165104.22119.00000399@mb-fl.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30792 >Hi All >Please help me >Thanks > There are plans at beesource.com. Regards, Robert Brenchley RSBrenchley@aol.com Article 30793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!easynet-quince!easynet-melon!easynet.net!btnet-feed5!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted plans for hives Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <7d5entc9m8csummjqa6u4scqe2jab1gith@4ax.com> References: <9k0ltm$5mr$1@ctb-nnrp1.saix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 16 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 01:26:47 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.220.29 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 997662403 62.255.220.29 (Mon, 13 Aug 2001 01:26:43 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 01:26:43 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30793 On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:44:49 +0200, "Pieter Gagiano" wrote: >Hi All >Please help me >Thanks > http://www.bbka.org.uk/ The British Beekeepers Association. Click on 'sales' and there is a list of leaflets and hive plans. Very cheap, about 75p to Ł1 for plans, 12p or so for leaflets (about feeding, diseases, selling honey, and just about everything). -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 30794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Aug 2001 01:44:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Sting @ Aid (looking) Message-ID: <20010812214414.19317.00000358@mb-fe.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30794 Wife got stung by underground yellowjacket 4 time which if not far from my bee hive, finally she knew who is friendy and foe :-) . Question...... I has old emtpy bottle Sting @ Aid made by GNARALOO 60MIL. and it is the best stuff u can get. Bushy Mountian no longer stock it. So where can we get the same stuff? Thanks! Tim Article 30795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees gnawing wood Date: 13 Aug 2001 15:48:01 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 997742881 14881 127.0.0.1 (13 Aug 2001 22:48:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Aug 2001 22:48:01 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30795 Howdy Bill -- You are right about bees gnawing wood. They have pretty good gnawers. Occasionally when I am working bees without coveralls, a bee will get on my arm and bite the skin. Must be a smarter than normal bee which does not go into sacrificing herself. When trapping a colony out of a wall, I caulk all the nearby cracks which the bees can use to get back in. The bees will always chew through the caulking quickly unless steel wool is forced into the crack before the caulk is applied. Pete ********************************************************** Article 30796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!news.compaq.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: pete.hawkey@btinternet.com (Peter Hawkey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drunk Bumble Bees? Date: 13 Aug 2001 12:54:52 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.122.13.140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 997732492 8903 127.0.0.1 (13 Aug 2001 19:54:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Aug 2001 19:54:52 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30796 Greetings from Sunny Scotland.... I was out for a walk tonight and came across a large patch of Lesser Knapweed (Centaurea Nigra) which was covered in Bumble Bees. The odd thing is that the bees seemed stoned! they did not seem to be actively collecting pollen in fact they just sat static on the plants, sometimes hanging from the flower heads waving their legs. Every so often a bee would fall off and lie on the ground but didn't seem to be taking any other ill effect (there was no dead bees on the ground). I don't think the plants have been sprayed with anything but I was wondering if this plant is toxic and could it effect my honeybees. Peter Article 30797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Wax Extractor Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:55:26 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ocont87brnpd8rmnt6d7ifm9c4ao1t94f@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 2 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30797 Any idea what sort of maximum temperatures can be reached inside solar wax extractors? Article 30798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!feed1.newsreader.com!netnews.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!newsfeed.sjc.globix.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.143!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: tszqrd@nowhere.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: $$$$ Free XXX Teen Pics $$$$ 3066 [2/2] Lines: 18 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:28:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.23.45.246 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 997914518 12.23.45.246 (Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:28:38 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:28:38 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30798 begin 644 index.html M/&AT;6P^#0H\:&5A9#X-"CQT:71L93Y86%@@4TE413PO=&ET;&4^#0H\+VAE M860^#0H\8F]D>2!B9V-O;&]R/2(C9F9F9F9F(CX-"CQB References: <20010801073821.17417.00001656@ng-co1.aol.com> <1Q%a7.2488$1p1.220550@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.88.162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 997997652 26313 127.0.0.1 (16 Aug 2001 21:34:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Aug 2001 21:34:12 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30799 in the talk about 9 v 10 frames no one seems to be interested in bee spaces. if you must have wider spaced super frames in your supers then get the foundation drawn our first to avoid undulating combs.Then space them out and you will get thicker frames and lots of honey. I use part spacers in some supers and castellated spaces in others. I like to get nice even frames to enter in honey shows and wide spacing does not allow good combs for shows. If you are worried about rolling bees when going through the brood chamber then use a division board on one side, it is removed easily and does not hurt the bees. spacing the brood frames without checking for a proper bee space is asking for trouble Article 30800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drunk Bumble Bees? Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:54:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3b7c4087.981441214@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30800 On 13 Aug 2001 12:54:52 -0700, pete.hawkey@btinternet.com (Peter Hawkey) wrote: >Greetings from Sunny Scotland.... > >I was out for a walk tonight and came across a large patch of Lesser >Knapweed (Centaurea Nigra) which was covered in Bumble Bees. The odd >thing is that the bees seemed stoned! they did not seem to be actively >collecting pollen in fact they just sat static on the plants, >sometimes hanging from the flower heads waving their legs. Every so >often a bee would fall off and lie on the ground but didn't seem to be >taking any other ill effect (there was no dead bees on the ground). > >I don't think the plants have been sprayed with anything but I was >wondering if this plant is toxic and could it effect my honeybees. > >Peter Bumblebees often sleep on the flowers when they stop producing nectar and wake up when the flow starts again. Ther is nothing for them to do in the nest as smaller bees are raised for the brood rearing. Thouch one on their back and you will get a reaction of the hind legs being raised. beekeep Article 30801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 vs. 10 Frames in Supers Date: 16 Aug 2001 15:05:01 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0108161405.276ff927@posting.google.com> References: <3B66C952.2429B0F8@sysadm.suny.edu> <3B670580.8DE88D13@nospam.boeing.com> <0Q%a7.2487$1p1.221210@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.88.162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 997999501 27198 127.0.0.1 (16 Aug 2001 22:05:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Aug 2001 22:05:01 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30801 I have only recently started reading these postings and it seems to me that some of you are more concerned about doing things quickly and saving a few coppers/cents on equipment. Dont anyone keep bees out there for the fun of it. i am 73 and run 12 hives. Also you cant be gentle with bees if you insist on doing everything at a rate of knots. Be gentle with your bees and they will reciprocate. take care and stay lucky Article 30802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ocont87brnpd8rmnt6d7ifm9c4ao1t94f@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Solar Wax Extractor Lines: 29 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <12Ye7.18416$1p1.1487106@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:45:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.42.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 998001917 12.73.42.225 (Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:45:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:45:17 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30802 It is all a matter of heat-gain vs. heat loss and different designs will have a different maximum temperature. A good solar oven will get to 325 - 350 F. A bad one will be about 225 - 250 F. Solar ovens are more insulated than melters because a melter does not have to get that hot. If you want to increase the efficiency of your wax melter try: 1. Insulating the walls 2. Double glazing (Reynolds oven bags for turkey work almost as well as glass) 3. A black pan for the unmelted wax 4. Reflective material on the inside sides A piece of cardboard covered with aluminum foil works well as reflective material and the cardboard does a good job of insulation. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:3ocont87brnpd8rmnt6d7ifm9c4ao1t94f@4ax.com... > Any idea what sort of maximum temperatures can be reached inside solar > wax extractors? Article 30803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 vs. 10 Frames in Supers From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3B66C952.2429B0F8@sysadm.suny.edu> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.05.11 Lines: 19 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:19:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.180 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 997946354 198.161.229.180 (Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:19:14 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:19:14 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30803 > Don't try to use 9 frames of foundation or you will have a mess. We routinely draw plastic foundation by sticking a single sheet into supers of drawn comb. If we have any granulated honey in frames that need to be liquefied, we place one such comb on either side of the foundation. If not, we just use any good comb in those positions and usually the foundation is properly drawn. Occasionally, we do put entire supers of foundation on hives, and sometimes those boxes are spaced to nine or even eight frames. Yes, we sometimes get comb built between or across, but it is relatively rare under our conditions. With plastic foundation, we just scrape the offending comb construction off and try again, usually on a different hive. But, as always with bees, YYMV. What works for me often does not work for others due to climate, location, flows, breed of bee, and many other subtle factors. allen Article 30804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 vs. 10 Frames in Supers From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3B66C952.2429B0F8@sysadm.suny.edu> <3B670580.8DE88D13@nospam.boeing.com> <0Q%a7.2487$1p1.221210@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.05.11 Lines: 101 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:56:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.180 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 997952182 198.161.229.180 (Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:56:22 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:56:22 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30804 > A good point and I doubt there are many whose livelihoods depend on > pollination contracts would run 9 in the brood chambers. But I think > the advantages of 9 frames for a hobbyist outweigh the disadvantages. I > would also question you assertion that a 10% reduction in comb area in > the brood nest equates to a 10% reduction in brood area. Sometimes > arithmetic is not so simple. Interesting discussion. I think you are right about the math not being simple. A hive of bees seems to me to be a self-optimizing system. We randomly run both 10 and 9 frame spacing in our brood chambers and have for many years. We inheirited some nine frame spaced hives and never changed them over to ten. We have never been able to notice any difference in hive strength or wintering success between the two systems. Fundamentally, bees do not actually need our hives or care about our dimensions. I'm told they did just fine for millenia without them. These days people take the dimensions and restrictions of manufactured hives and foundation for granted -- almost like gospel, but standard spacing between frames was one of those things that was decided back when moveable frame hives came in to existance a century ago. At that time, people were not as unanimous about such things as they are today. There were many types of bees kept in different environments and methods, and the design decisions that were made by each manufacturer were based on his local observations, logic, public beliefs and desires of the time, and (often) a measure of speculation and marketing hype. Each manufacturer had to decide on the spacing between frames, the ideal size of cells in foundation, the designs, volumes and shapes of the boxes and frames -- and the dimensions necessary to achieve those volumes. Entrance size and orientation and excluder wire spacing were also things that had to be established. Selling equipment is a manufacturers goal. To the extent that the requirements behind this goal coincide with the needs of bees and beekeepers, the modern hive is a success for manufacturers, beekeepers, and bees. Nonetheless we must remember that a manufacturer does not wish to sell 10% fewer frames or 10% less foundation, so closer spacing and more frames is a good thing for him. For convenience and simplicity, a one-size-fits-all approach has been used in hives, mating nucs being an exception, but different manufacturerers came to very different conclusions and designed very different hives. Over time there has been a convergence towards a standard, but there are still incompatibilities between suppliers. When we consider our hives, we must remember that some of the original assumptions may have been wrong, circumstances have changed, and that there is certainly nothing wrong with taking another look at every aspect of hive design and use in light of this knowledge and in consideration of what our own bees show us when we work with them. There is no reason to believe that our standard hive is anything other than a compromise -- and maybe a poor one in our personal situation. Keeping that in mind, another important thing to remember is that in a one- size-fits-all approach, the tendency is to be on the generous side with some dimensions and too small in others. Each choice depends on whether being too generous or too skimpy with that particular parameter would have the more undesirable effect. Since everything is a compromise, the concern is that the hive must work in all circumstances and that is more important to a manufacturer than it's being ideal in any particular application or circumstance. Examples: Excluders: Too wide a spacing and they won't exclude. Too narrow and bees cannot get through. Bees vary in size. Hmmmm. Entrances: Too small and the hive overheats. Too large has fewer obvious problems. Universally, entrances are made on the generous side. Foundation: Too small and many bees won't accept it. Bees that do will be smaller. Small cells pack more bees in less space. That can be a good or bad depending on circumstances and the beliefs of the people involved. Too large and the cluster density drops. Bees become marginally larger. Too large and worker comb becomes confused with drone comb. Etc. Frame spacing: Bees naturally vary comb spacing. In man-made hives, if the combs are too close, brood often cannot be raised in all cells and flatness of the central foundation becomes critical. Closer spacing sells more equipment more often. If the combs are spaced wider, then the flatness of the brood combs is less critical, bees have more room between combs, older, warped combs are not a problem, fewer frames are required, there is less handling, ventilation may be improved, but a given cluster can cover fewer combs. As I recall, Dadant chose a wider spacing than Root. Root's spacing is what most call ten frame spacing. Dadant was closer to what we call nine. As I recall, anyhow. I could go on, but I think this points out that modern manufactured hives are strictly an artificial construct for the convenience of humans. Left to their own, bees will often build hives with curved combs. Comb spacing will vary. Cells will also vary in size. And they will do just fine. Although the hives we use may actually be ideal for some bees under some circumstances, they are not necessarily what the bees would choose in all cases nor are they 'right' or 'wrong'. I don't think comb spacing -- within reasonable limits -- is very critical. allen Article 30805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!easynews!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: convention@hivetool.com (Barry Richards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: 2001 Tennessee Beekeepers Assoc. Convention - Delaplane/Collison/Sammataro Reply-To: convention@hivetool.com Message-ID: <3b7bd901.249053249@news.bluestar.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 41 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:28:34 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. - "ReInventing The UseNet" Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:30:50 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30805 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:316 Tennessee Beekeepers Association 101 Davidson Lane Oak Ridge, TN 37830 Press Release FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Nashville, TN - The Tennessee Beekeepers Association (TBA) will hold its annual meeting on October 19 and 20th, 2001 at the Ag Expo Center in Franklin, Tennessee. The meeting will include many well known speakers including Diana Sammataro, author and honeybee specialist in Pennsylvania, Keith Delaplane, author and bee scientist from Georgia, Clarence Collison, Professor of Entomology and Head of the Department of Entomology at Mississippi State University and George Imirie, Master Beekeeper, from Maryland. Topics to be presented are currently under development and likely will include updates on integrated pest management research, parasitic mites, plant nectar secretions and hive management techniques. A banquet will be held on Friday night at the Marriott Hotel in Franklin, TN and will include the best Tennessee Barbecue. Special hotel room rates can be obtained through the Ramada Inn Limited in Franklin, TN at 615-791-4004. The Ag Expo Center is located less than a mile from Exit 61 on Interstate 65. For more information about the upcoming meeting, please visit the TBA website at www.tnbeekeepers.org. The TBA is a statewide organization of individuals dedicated to the preservation of honeybees, pollination of crops with honeybees, and production of pure honey. The TBA represents the interests of hobbyists and commercial beekeepers, as well as other concerned individuals, throughout Tennessee. Tennessee honeybees continue to be harmed by parasitic mites and other pests that have virtually eliminated the feral population throughout Tennessee. The TBA provides the latest research and developments to members through annual meetings, workshops and a bi-monthly newsletter. For more information about the TBA, please contact Robert Elwood at 868-482-5276 or Dwight Tew at 615-791-1578 ### Article 30806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: scratchers vs. knives Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:39:42 -0700 Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-17.reachone.com Message-ID: <3b7deff2@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 17 Aug 2001 21:32:50 -0700, tc1-17.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newspeer.cts.com!nntp2.savvis.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-17.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30806 I'm just a hobbyist with a couple of hives. Any opinions on capping scratchers vs. knives? Hate to spend $70 for an electric... Thanks all... Article 30807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: scratchers vs. knives Date: 18 Aug 2001 06:55:24 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <3b7deff2@news.turbotek.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.128.251.123 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 998142925 4776 127.0.0.1 (18 Aug 2001 13:55:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Aug 2001 13:55:25 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30807 Howdy K -- Good advice from John. If you do not have one of the knives he described, you can get by with a couple of butcher or long blade kitchen knives. Heat water in a pot to near boiling and alternate the kitchen knives. Doc Article 30808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!qichina.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Carol Harding Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: UK : 2nd hand Hives etc For Sale Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:07:27 +0100 Message-ID: <3B7E304F.1DC8CA86@qichina.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 998126053 nnrp-10:27924 NO-IDENT qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 54 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30808 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:317 Hello, Due to anaphylactic shock, we had to find a good home for our bees. So we now have 2 year old, disease-free hives and other equipment for sale. Single items are available at half (50%) of the new prices quoted below or as job lot. Ideal economical startup for beginner. Situated in Essex,UK, can't deliver I'm afraid. SECONDHAND BEEKEEPING EQUIPMENT FOR SALE Description Cost- UKP(as new) Empty National Hive (made up) 96.00 Empty National Hive (made up) 96.00 + sloping floor 5.00 + gabled roof 9.00 Empty Supers (5 @ Ł25.00 each) 125.00 Queen Excluders (2 @ Ł13.50 each) 27.00 Dummy Boards (2 @ Ł4.50 each) 9.00 Feeders (2 @ Ł5.50 each) 11.00 Smoker 33.00 Hive Tool 10.00 Manual Extractor 145.00 Polythene Tank 18.00 Comb Cutter 8 oz (unused) 21.00 Veil / Smock 1 @ 40 " 49.50 1 @ 44 " 49.50 Beekeeping Trousers 1 @ 38 " 19.50 1 Large 21.50 Total Cost as new 745.00 Offers in the region of Ł300 accepted. Also available (all unused): 27 round 8 oz jars with lid ) 27 hexagonal 8 oz jars with lid ) 48 round 1 lb jars with lid ) 50 8 oz cut comb containers ) Labels and Tamper Evident Labels ) 20.00 Hive Stand Frames (not made up), nails, etc Thanks, Carol. Article 30809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Mcelroy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need formula to make own pollen substitute Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:13:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.218.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 998176408 32.100.218.22 (Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:13:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:13:28 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30809 Heilo Does anyone have a formula for pollen substitute? Texas Article 30810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard <"poll7356 NO SPAM "@uidaho.edu> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How many hives for 100 apple trees? Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:32:54 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3B804CA6.F28FC67A@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: stokes.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 998263830 24976 129.101.81.64 (19 Aug 2001 23:30:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Aug 2001 23:30:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30810 I was just asked if i'd put some hives in a friend's orchard. We are looking at 4 acres with 100 5-year-old apple trees and 100 1,2, and 3 year old trees (grand total of 200ish trees 1,2,3,5 years old).  How many hives do you suppose would be needed?
Thanks
matthew
poll7356  at uidaho.edu Article 30811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 20 Aug 2001 03:36:25 GMT References: <3B804CA6.F28FC67A@uidaho.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: How many hives for 100 apple trees? Message-ID: <20010819233625.28971.00000409@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30811 >I was just asked if i'd put some hives in a friend's orchard. We are >looking at 4 acres with 100 5-year-old apple trees and 100 1,2, and 3 year >old trees (grand total of 200ish trees 1,2,3,5 years old).  How >many hives do you suppose would be needed? You don't mean this year I hope. Wouldn't it depend on the strength of your hives? Please continue the thread, I'm interested too. Article 30812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: chuckwm@hotmail.com (Chuck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: scratchers vs. knives Date: 20 Aug 2001 10:37:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1b48e0c5.0108200937.52dca38@posting.google.com> References: <3b7deff2@news.turbotek.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.48.24.10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 998329077 2682 127.0.0.1 (20 Aug 2001 17:37:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Aug 2001 17:37:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30812 "K Adney" wrote in message news:<3b7deff2@news.turbotek.net>... > I'm just a hobbyist with a couple of hives. Any opinions > on capping scratchers vs. knives? Hate to spend $70 for > an electric... I started with two hives this year. Since I didn't want to invest in extra supers, and I don't want any more than two hives, I extracted two times, and immediately replaced the wet supers after exracting the first time. The first time I used a scratcher and a serrated bread knife to remove the cappings. Neither worked very well. A friend told me that he used an electric carving knife and that it worked very well. I was in the local Target store and saw one for U$7.99 so I bought it. WOW! What a difference! I kept a pan of hot water near by and occassionally dipped the blades in to heat them up. That serrated sawing motion cut through the caps just like they were butter. Next year I'm going to go to nine frame spacing. Everything I've seen says you get the same amount of honey, but because the comb is drawn out further they'll be easier to uncap. Cheers, Chuck Geneva, IL Article 30813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: robbing Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:47:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.196.165.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 998340425 65.196.165.59 (Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:47:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:47:05 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30813 What is 'robbing' and who does it? ================ Scott Mattes TheMattesFamily@va.prestige.net http://www.geocities.com/TheMattesFamily Article 30814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B81AE03.16EDFF0C@hcis.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:40:35 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: robbing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.31 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 998346928 66.20.227.31 (20 Aug 2001 17:35:28 -0500) Lines: 21 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!feed1.newsreader.com!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!feed.cgocable.net!out.nntp.be!propagator-dallas!news-in-dallas.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30814 Scott Mattes wrote: > > What is 'robbing' Stealing and who does it? Banditoes AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!proxad.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: robbing Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:19:57 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B81A92C.8B9F6F10@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30815 Howdy Scott --

   During times when there is no honey flow but the colonies are strong
(generally in the summer and fall) the bees are looking for anything they
can take home.  If they detect a small or troubled colony, they will invade
in order to get the stored honey.  Of course the small colony tries to
protect it's goods, so a fight takes place.  The result is that all or nearly
all of the small colony is killed.  If you detect this soon enough, green
grass can be stuffed into the entrance so that no bees can leave or
enter.  By the next day the grass has dried enough for limited passage.
Then reduce the entrance to about 3/8" so that the guard bees can
protect the colony.

    Pete Article 30813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: robbing Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:47:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.196.165.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 998340425 65.196.165.59 (Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:47:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:47:05 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30813 What is 'robbing' and who does it? ================ Scott Mattes TheMattesFamily@va.prestige.net http://www.geocities.com/TheMattesFamily Article 30814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B81AE03.16EDFF0C@hcis.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:40:35 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: robbing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.31 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 998346928 66.20.227.31 (20 Aug 2001 17:35:28 -0500) Lines: 21 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!feed1.newsreader.com!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!feed.cgocable.net!out.nntp.be!propagator-dallas!news-in-dallas.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30814 Scott Mattes wrote: > > What is 'robbing' Stealing and who does it? Banditoes AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!proxad.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: robbing Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:19:57 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B81A92C.8B9F6F10@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30815 Howdy Scott --

   During times when there is no honey flow but the colonies are strong
(generally in the summer and fall) the bees are looking for anything they
can take home.  If they detect a small or troubled colony, they will invade
in order to get the stored honey.  Of course the small colony tries to
protect it's goods, so a fight takes place.  The result is that all or nearly
all of the small colony is killed.  If you detect this soon enough, green
grass can be stuffed into the entrance so that no bees can leave or
enter.  By the next day the grass has dried enough for limited passage.
Then reduce the entrance to about 3/8" so that the guard bees can
protect the colony.

    Pete Article 30816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pink Pages Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:22:58 -0400 Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.237.197.69 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.237.197.69 Message-ID: <3b825fac_1@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 21 Aug 2001 09:18:36 -0500, 209.237.197.69 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.237.197.69 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30816 Greetings! The August 2001 issue of the "Pink Pages" are located here: http://www.mainebee.com/articles/august2001.php regards, Norma -- Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Betty's Driftwood Santa Site http://pages.ivillage.com/santasite/index.html Article 30817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feed1.newsreader.com!netnews.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid for varroa? Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:15:26 -0500 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <9lt3v2$i97$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbxAI4PSgAYOaRobdJh7GR5LQ4YdxZa5+5juzbixNeEW2BG71/3FAh2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Aug 2001 13:17:10 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30817 Paul - > I'm a UK beekeeper (located in Lincolnshire) - strictly amateur and small > scale. So far, I haven't discerned any sign of varroa in my few hives, > though I assume I'm at risk and have to act as though it's present. Don't assume. Be sure before you do anything and treat only as required. > I have heard various shreds of information to the effect that formic acid > may be used instead of proprietary products like Bayvarol, with the > advantage that it's cheaper and (supposedly) less likely to contaminate wax > and, therefore, honey. Anything that requires you to be dressed in protective gear to the hilt ought to give you some idea as to its potency. If it's that dangerous to you, what do you think it's doing to the bees that are ? percent smaller and wear no protection? It burns just like acid does. Don't forget to think about the effect it has on the bees, not just the honey, wax and pocket book. If you have to use something, opt for a much friendlier method to your bees. For example, try using FGMO. (http://www.beesource.com/pov/rodriguez/index.htm) -Barry Article 30818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B827F1A.51886EF6@hcis.net> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:32:42 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: robbing References: <3B81AE03.16EDFF0C@hcis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.18 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 998400455 66.20.227.18 (21 Aug 2001 08:27:35 -0500) Lines: 15 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!feed.cgocable.net!out.nntp.be!propagator-dallas!news-in-dallas.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30818 Scott Mattes wrote: > > Banditoes, is that some non-English term for politicians? Synonyms. AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: funny, in a way Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <3qwg7.112$mY3.194061@news1.news.adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:57:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.196.165.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 998413055 65.196.165.59 (Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:57:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:57:35 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30820 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?p=news&g=events/lf/082001sailregatta&e=1&tm pl=sl&nosum=0&large=0×tamp=998400973 -- ================ Scott Mattes TheMattesFamily@va.prestige.net http://www.geocities.com/TheMattesFamily Article 30821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wrong link to the funny story Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:59:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.196.165.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 998413165 65.196.165.59 (Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:59:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:59:25 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30821 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010821/od/bees_dc_1.html -- ================ Scott Mattes TheMattesFamily@va.prestige.net http://www.geocities.com/TheMattesFamily Article 30822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: qbeelady@yahoo.com (farmergirl) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan or coumaphos? Date: 21 Aug 2001 05:00:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3b6bc3dd.426232580@news1.radix.net> <9l4vmv02t8j@enews4.newsguy.com> <3b765299.592938407@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.29.117.65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 998395239 5911 127.0.0.1 (21 Aug 2001 12:00:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Aug 2001 12:00:39 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30822 honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote in message news:<3b765299.592938407@news1.radix.net>... > On Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:12:14 -0500, "scott moser" > wrote: > > >Beekeep, where can you get all the ingredients from? > > > Wall Mart. > > If you just want a few I have some left. > > beekeep What section of WalMart? Second dumb question - Are you buying Thymol or Thyme essential oil? Are they the same? I can find everything in your recipe for sale on the internet but the Thymol... Thanks again for all your help. Article 30823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B81AE03.16EDFF0C@hcis.net> Subject: Re: robbing Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:33:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.196.165.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 998397230 65.196.165.59 (Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:33:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:33:50 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30823 Banditoes, is that some non-English term for politicians? -- ================ Scott Mattes TheMattesFamily@va.prestige.net http://www.geocities.com/TheMattesFamily "AL" wrote in message news:3B81AE03.16EDFF0C@hcis.net... > Scott Mattes wrote: > > > > What is 'robbing' > > Stealing > > > > and who does it? > > > Banditoes > > > > AL > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: cymroi@yahoo.com (Phillip the Wonderdog) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old Bee keeping book 1948 Date: 21 Aug 2001 10:25:06 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <41e52408.0108210925.768f5b93@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.1.148.94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 998414707 17830 127.0.0.1 (21 Aug 2001 17:25:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Aug 2001 17:25:07 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30824 Producing,Preparing,exhibiting and judging Bee Produce W.Herrod Hempsall 1948 Really excellent specialist bee keeping book.Lots of illustrations. on ebay @ http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1457869806 Article 30825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!news.panix.com!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@panix3.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old Bee keeping book 1948 Date: 21 Aug 2001 13:30:56 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9lu5sg$glp$1@panix3.panix.com> References: <41e52408.0108210925.768f5b93@posting.google.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 998415057 7969 166.84.1.3 (21 Aug 2001 17:30:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Aug 2001 17:30:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30825 In article <41e52408.0108210925.768f5b93@posting.google.com>, Phillip the Wonderdog wrote: >Producing,Preparing,exhibiting and judging Bee Produce W.Herrod Hempsall 1948 >Really excellent specialist bee keeping book.Lots of illustrations. >on ebay @ >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1457869806 THANKS D00D!!!!!!!!!! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 30826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Formic acid for varroa? Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:51:39 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9lt3v2$i97$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-198-250.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30826 I'm a UK beekeeper (located in Lincolnshire) - strictly amateur and small scale. So far, I haven't discerned any sign of varroa in my few hives, though I assume I'm at risk and have to act as though it's present. I have heard various shreds of information to the effect that formic acid may be used instead of proprietary products like Bayvarol, with the advantage that it's cheaper and (supposedly) less likely to contaminate wax and, therefore, honey. I would be grateful for any information about whether and how to use this method. Thanks Paul Article 30827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!netnews.com!opentransit.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.162.153.118!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9lt3v2$i97$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Formic acid for varroa? Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:50:30 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3b821e0c$0$330$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.100 X-Trace: 998383116 dread02.news.tele.dk 330 195.249.242.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30827 Take a look at the Varroa report on my site. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 27-05-2001 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk "Paul Bowden" skrev i en meddelelse news:9lt3v2$i97$1@neptunium.btinternet.com... > I'm a UK beekeeper (located in Lincolnshire) - strictly amateur and small > scale. So far, I haven't discerned any sign of varroa in my few hives, > though I assume I'm at risk and have to act as though it's present. > > I have heard various shreds of information to the effect that formic acid > may be used instead of proprietary products like Bayvarol, with the > advantage that it's cheaper and (supposedly) less likely to contaminate wax > and, therefore, honey. > > I would be grateful for any information about whether and how to use this > method. > > Thanks > > Paul > > Article 30828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B82CBD3.259EC49F@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How many hives for 100 apple trees? References: <3B804CA6.F28FC67A@uidaho.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:00:03 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.179 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 998427138 206.231.24.179 (Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:52:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:52:18 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30828 I pollinated apples for 20 years. The orchard always used one per acre. Matthew Pollard wrote: > I was just asked if i'd put some hives in a friend's orchard. We are > looking at 4 acres with 100 5-year-old apple trees and 100 1,2, and 3 > year old trees (grand total of 200ish trees 1,2,3,5 years old). How > many hives do you suppose would be needed? > Thanks > matthew > poll7356 at uidaho.edu Article 30829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: scratchers vs. knives Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:53:27 -0400 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <9lqtno$at307$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <3b7deff2@news.turbotek.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 998308409 11439111 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30829 My suggestion would be for a knife, heated or bread. It does a better job and doesn't leave as much of a mess for the bees to repair. Have you looked at a hackler? -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "K Adney" wrote in message news:3b7deff2@news.turbotek.net... > I'm just a hobbyist with a couple of hives. Any opinions on capping > scratchers vs. knives? Hate to spend $70 for an electric... > > Thanks all... > > Article 30830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 20 Aug 2001 14:25:20 GMT References: <9lqtno$at307$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: scratchers vs. knives Message-ID: <20010820102520.00911.00005055@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30830 Hackler in my opinion and experience is a piece of junk . A cappings fork is used to slide under the wax not scrape at it and it does a nice job. It lifts off the entire capping layer. On fully drawn fat combs a knife is faster but you waste more comb. Article 30831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fall feeding Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:21:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.235.41 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 998511679 168.191.235.41 (Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:21:19 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:21:19 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:18:37 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30831 I have a weak hive (it was a small swarm and it rained during every blossom). It has almost no stores. Can I save it by feeding or should I just get new bees next spring. If feeding, should I use corn syrup or cane sugar and at what mix? -- Darrell http://www.machinemaster.com Article 30832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall feeding Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:39:28 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B84349F.45727BCF@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30832 Howdy Darrell --

   I'm for the underdog, so I prefer trying to help the weak ones.  I would
take a frame of sealed brood from each of several strong hives to help
with the population.

  I do fall feeding when needed by using a flat migratory cover or even
plain plywood with a hole to fit the top of a fruit jar with 8 or 10 small
holes punched in the lid.  Feeding at the top keeps down  robbing  and
lets the weak colony use the syrup even when it it cold because the
cluster can form surrounding the feeder lid.  Mix the sugar and water
half and half by weight or even stronger by using HOT water to dissolve
more sugar.

    Pete
  Article 30833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK source of formic acid? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:44:56 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 31 Message-ID: <9m2mrb$d1s$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-191-23.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30833 I've now read loads of info on the use of formic acid as a control measure for varroa and am keen to try its use, which seems fraught with fewer dangers than the proprietary chemicals I've used so far. But does anyone know where I might obtain a small quantity (500ml-1litre) in the UK? Have tried the following: Boots - seem to have blanket ban on selling anything remotely harmful; Local pharmacists - don't know where to order from; Thornes - have a formic acid saftey kit, but THINk they sell the chemical only in large (2.5 litre or more ) quantities. I've found a distributor (Hay's Chemicals in Norfolk) who sell 500ml at Ł9 approx, which wd be perfect, except that their minimum order for delivery is Ł50 and you can't collect.... I'd be really grateful for any comments or information; likewise, I'm more than happy to pass on the links to information that I've obtained myself, if anyone is interested. Thanks Paul Bowden near GRANTHAM Lincolnshire UK Article 30834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Webpage Update Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:18:05 -0400 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9m2ope$ugn$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 998565486 31255 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30834 Just a quick note to say I updated my webpage to include the follow unique pages: OLYMPIC WILDERNESS APIARY PACIFIC NORTHWEST BRED QUEENS WILD CAUCASIAN / USDA RUSSIAN SURVIVOR STOCK Frank's Bee Decals Different types of Bee Decals Frank's Bee Decals Different types of Bee Decals -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Article 30835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Consolidating Crop Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:27:35 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-167-243.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30835 I removed some frames from a hive brood box, and placed them above a super of drawn comb above the queen excluder and wish to encourage the bees to take the honey down into the lower supers. What methods can I employ towards this end? Article 30836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Consolidating Crop Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:44:14 -0400 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9m31bg$2jua$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 998574256 85962 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30836 Place it about the inner cover... no need for a queen excluder. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Bumble" wrote in message news:B7AAC356.4C84%Bumble_the_Beekeeper@btinternet.com... > I removed some frames from a hive brood box, and placed them above a super > of drawn comb above the queen excluder and wish to encourage the bees to > take the honey down into the lower supers. What methods can I employ > towards this end? > Article 30837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-monga!easynet.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <2001082321262975982@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:26:29 +0100 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Phil Gurr X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Subject: Re: UK source of formic acid? References: <9m2mrb$d1s$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> Lines: 23 X-Trace: news.zetnet.co.uk 998600506 24522 194.247.47.23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30837 The message <9m2mrb$d1s$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> from "Paul Bowden" contains these words: > I've now read loads of info on the use of formic acid as a control measure > for varroa and am keen to try its use, which seems fraught with fewer > dangers than the proprietary chemicals I've used so far. > But does anyone know where I might obtain a small quantity (500ml-1litre) in > the UK? You will get it from McQuilkin & Co. in Glasgow. Price is about the same but they have no minimum order and are very prompt. Phone 0141 429 7777 they take all major credit and debit cards and are very helpful. Phil. Beekeeping in the Scottish Highlands. Article 30838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader1.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: jkatz@eliteagents.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK : 2nd hand Hives etc For Sale Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:37:01 GMT Organization: EliteAgents, Inc. Reply-To: jkatz@eliteagents.com Message-ID: <3b857626.629133996@news1.alterdial.uu.net> References: <3B7E304F.1DC8CA86@qichina.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.127.30.69 X-Trace: reader1.news.uu.net 998602384 1479 63.127.30.69 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30838 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:321 On Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:07:27 +0100, Carol Harding wrote: >Hello, >Due to anaphylactic shock, we had to find a good home for our bees. Have you thought of trying immuno-therapy instead of getting rid of your bees? I had an anaphylactic shock reaction a year ago. I started shots of bee venom at the allergist at the beginning of the year. I wear a full suit (BJ Sherif), gloves and take an antihistamine (Claritin) every day; also keep an Epipen with me. I got stung in the ankle a couple of weeks ago. I didn't wait for a reaction, I just gave myself the shot. Barely had any local swelling. I thought about giving up my bees, but just couldn't do it. Janet Article 30839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.uchicago.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa Osbourne) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hi Larry Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:47:35 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7101-3B869337-11@storefull-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAqYClJkIBcJWsfmoc2os36vgJBtMCFAlPRnnnyTqpQmednxseEKh9NsAc Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30839 Just wanted you to know we pulled our first crop of honey. It was a beauty. I had to stop here and say thanks so much for all your help. I never did get that bee page going again. Maybe you can start one for me to read! =) Take care Melissa Article 30840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa Osbourne) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:49:38 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 9 Message-ID: <20998-3B86BDE2-25@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRk11NEX5oGEousaQcP/JfBdb32WgIUWB+rSLQ7NuW4w5bX7mc28ByT8vI= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30840 We just pulled our first crop of honey. The kids would like to know how to turn the beeswax into candles. We don't have any full sheets of beeswax, just clumps. If anyone can tell me, we would sure appreciate it. Sincerely, Melissa Article 30841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Martin Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ocont87brnpd8rmnt6d7ifm9c4ao1t94f@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Solar Wax Extractor Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:10:52 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3b86c8bb$0$8513$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userhm41.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: 998688956 news.dial.pipex.com 8513 62.188.31.197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30841 When I used one it reached 110C on a few occasions and often into the 80s and 90s C in good sunshine. I kept a laboratory thermometer in it at all times so am sure of these figures. Because it got so hot I modified it so that wax escaped into an external collector when it ran off because I was getting darkening due to heating if I left the collector inside. My extractor was made from roofing insulation panels about 3cm thick, with a double glazed lid. Incidentally, the double glazing panel with which I started cracked to bits in the heat and I had to revert to having several separate horizontal strips of glass (cut from various scrap window panes etc.) to make up each sheet so that they could expand fairly safely. I was sufficiently impressed to buy a solar heating system for the house hot water and have never regretted it in 6 years. It reaches 90C on occasion if nobody has a bath, and gives a return even on winter days if there is any hint of sunshine. All other water heating is switched off from end April until about mid October. Martin. Steven Newport wrote in message news:3ocont87brnpd8rmnt6d7ifm9c4ao1t94f@4ax.com... > Any idea what sort of maximum temperatures can be reached inside solar > wax extractors? Article 30842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Martin Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <760023b4.0108161007.78d6e45e@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Drunk Bumble Bees? Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:33:04 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 49 Message-ID: <3b86c8bc$0$8513$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userhm41.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: 998688957 news.dial.pipex.com 8513 62.188.31.197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30842 How about these ideas? 1. The bees are heavily parasitised and near death - have a look for the mites that infest most bumble bees. There are internal parasites,too. 2. If Scotland really is sunny (and I have friends touring there at present who assure me it is) how about the effect of nectar concentration leading to dehydration of feeding bees? This was suggested as one of the mechanisms that caused large numbers of dead bees and other insects to appear sometimes in hot weather under lime trees. 3 Not so sunny and the temperature has dropped sufficiently to immobilise the bees? Though this should not be a big problem for bumbles which can get themselves warm by 'running their engine' before take off. The plants mentioned are not ones that appear on the usual toxic nectar lists. Martin. Scott Mattes wrote in message news:760023b4.0108161007.78d6e45e@posting.google.com... > We are seeing the same thing with mint and lamb's ear. The children go > out and pet the bumble bees. At first I was worried, but they had been > doing it for quite a while before I found out. The only problem was > when one of the young ones insisted on holding a bee and made a fist - > OUCH! > > I know for a fact that we have not sprayed anything on those plants, > nor is there anything close to us where something could have drifted > over. > > > pete.hawkey@btinternet.com (Peter Hawkey) wrote in message news:... > > Greetings from Sunny Scotland.... > > > > I was out for a walk tonight and came across a large patch of Lesser > > Knapweed (Centaurea Nigra) which was covered in Bumble Bees. The odd > > thing is that the bees seemed stoned! they did not seem to be actively > > collecting pollen in fact they just sat static on the plants, > > sometimes hanging from the flower heads waving their legs. Every so > > often a bee would fall off and lie on the ground but didn't seem to be > > taking any other ill effect (there was no dead bees on the ground). > > > > I don't think the plants have been sprayed with anything but I was > > wondering if this plant is toxic and could it effect my honeybees. > > > > Peter Article 30843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Fall feeding Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0Tsh7.430$%e5.580097@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:44:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 998660668 66.31.162.165 (Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:44:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:44:28 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30843 Hi Darrell, > I have a weak hive (it was a small swarm and it rained > during every blossom). It has almost no stores. Can I save > it by feeding or should I just get new bees next spring. If you have another colony, you should combine this weak one with another - you can split them back off next year if you want. If this is your only one, you can try to save them by feeding. > If feeding, should I use corn syrup or cane sugar and at > what mix? I've never used corn syrup, so hopefully someone else will answer that... It depends where in the world you are... if your brood season is at (or near) the end, you can use sugar syrup - mix it 1.5 or 2 to 1 (sugar:water) to encourage the bees to store it rather than produce brood. If your weather allows another month or two of brood production, then use 1:1. -Steve Article 30844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20998-3B86BDE2-25@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Question Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:10:54 -0700 Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-14.reachone.com Message-ID: <3b8715b1@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 24 Aug 2001 20:04:17 -0700, tc1-14.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator!feed2.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!news-in-austin.nuthinbutnews.com!news.stealth.net!63.208.208.143.MISMATCH!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-14.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30844 There's at least three easy ways. You can melt the wax in a double boiler (preferably a cheap one from the Goodwill) and either: a) make a candle mold from aluminum foil, setting it in a bed of sand to support it. b) make a hole in some damp sand and simply pour the wax in, making a sand candle or c) buy molds at most craft shops and pour the wax in there. Most craft shops will have wicks (and scents & colors). Making candles was my first hobby. I had to give it up when I set the kitchen on fire (hence my recommendation for a double boiler). ken Michelle wrote: The kids would like to know how to turn the beeswax into candles. Article 30845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!feed1.newsreader.com!netnews.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa Osbourne) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:22:23 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7101-3B8719EF-35@storefull-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <3b8715b1@news.turbotek.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQXgEWf7RSIz48eeFfBgmnsXs69ZAIUJCKXqp16fArh+ZeRFgsxuCK6B2s= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30845 Thanks Ken, I appreciate your response. Melissa Article 30846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-ge.switch.ch!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:11:41 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 26 Message-ID: <9m94c7$fb12@news.vtx.ch> References: <20998-3B86BDE2-25@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.147.22.37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30846 you can also dip a string into molten wax, repeatedly, letting the wax become firm between two dippings, as one used to do. -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genčve Suisse tél. portable 0041 78 6272967 Melissa Osbourne a écrit dans le message : 20998-3B86BDE2-25@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > We just pulled our first crop of honey. The kids would like to know how > to turn the beeswax into candles. We don't have any full sheets of > beeswax, just clumps. If anyone can tell me, we would sure appreciate > it. > > Sincerely, > > Melissa > Article 30847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!iafrica.com!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Sump plans Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:59:06 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3b881ffd$0$234@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.96.1.66 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 998776829 234 192.96.1.66 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30847 Hi to all, Are there any plans available to build your own honey sump? Any help appreciated. Thanx Glen Please respond to beekeeping@webmail.co.za Article 30848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Aug 2001 22:20:15 GMT References: <1b48e0c5.0108200937.52dca38@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: scratchers vs. knives Message-ID: <20010825182015.01517.00002474@mb-cb.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30848 >Next year I'm going to go to nine frame spacing. Everything >I've seen says you get the same amount of honey, but because >the comb is drawn out further they'll be easier to uncap. > > I don't know bout this one, Heard bees will building a bridge combs between racks. Article 30849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Aug 2001 22:24:52 GMT References: <1b48e0c5.0108200937.52dca38@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: scratchers vs. knives Message-ID: <20010825182452.01517.00002475@mb-cb.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30849 How are we gotten uncaping warps combs? Man, I hate it. Are we be better off just cut the whole things and stuck it in the jar? Tim Article 30850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nf3.bellglobal.com!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail From: Ajo Wissink Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: References: <20998-3B86BDE2-25@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3b8715b1@news.turbotek.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:46:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.245.124 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 998783176 142.166.245.124 (Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:46:16 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:46:16 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30850 On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:10:54 -0700, "K Adney" wrote: >> >>Michelle wrote: >>The kids would like to know how >>to turn the beeswax into candles. >Making candles was my first hobby. I had to give it up when I set the >kitchen on fire (hence my recommendation for a double boiler). > >ken There is also some information to find on the web. Try turning on your favourite browser and load http://www.google.com Type in: "candle making instructions" and it will come up with 42,500 websites. A lot of them will be sites that sell candles, but quite a few will tell you how to do it. (not like ken did it ). -- Ajo Wissink Article 30851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.165!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: robbing Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:53:35 -0500 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <17dgotoi63h84mg8q88l4q8ndvjno7ueb1@4ax.com> References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.165 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 998783616 1141635 216.167.143.165 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30851 >What is 'robbing' It is the redistribution of wealth by one group perpetrated on another group sometimes without them knowing, but oftentimes with them knowing, but always against their will. >and who does it? In America at least, the well funded Military Industrial Complex, along with the ever present energy 'related' corporations, and special interest driven welfare payments to large farming and 'Agri-Business' in general, not forgetting American Health Care 'systems.' Can I go on? well yes I could, but I know attention spans are short. C.K. p.s. Just to let you know we're not all fun and games here, a technical description regarding bees and the term 'robbing,' follows: Bees of strong hives redistribute the stores of weaker hives to themselves, with apparently no concern of leaving the weaker hives to die out. There are various ways to avoid this that include a form of apiary socialism where all the hives going into winter have sufficient stores by way of selective redistribution of brood and stores, re queening, of weak hives, and keeping the entrance to weaker hives restricted to one bee at a time, during the robbing season, which is pretty much now. (late August 35N X 102 W) Article 30852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.174.75.178!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed.hanau.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Martin Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3b86c8bb$0$8513$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> <20010825092727.13154.00003672@mb-ms.aol.com> Subject: Re: Solar Wax Extractor Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 00:07:23 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3b883e56$0$8510$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: useria26.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: 998784598 news.dial.pipex.com 8510 62.188.69.44 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30852 Latitude 52 degrees North (and longitude about 1 degree West) getting off topic but the water heater runs on a differential of 5C degrees, so any time the roof panel is 5 higher than the incoming water supply, it starts up, including warming ice cold water to not so icy, but every degree rise costs the same amount of energy per litre. Can't think how you could apply this to wax, but I'll keep thinking and something may happen. Martin BeeCrofter wrote in message news:20010825092727.13154.00003672@mb-ms.aol.com... > Lattitude? > > > > > > Article 30853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Clark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 'The Insect Classifieds' - for all your insect needs. Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <1bXh7.3584$434.407149@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 00:13:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.32.160 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 998784829 209.179.32.160 (Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:13:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:13:49 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:10:26 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30853 The Insect Classifieds: Free ads. Buy, sell, trade, entomological specimens, equipment, books, etc. Arachnids also. As of today's date we have over 450 current ads posted from entomology enthusiasts. Check it out: http://www.insectnet.com/cgi/classifieds/classifieds.cgi - Clark Article 30854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Aug 2001 02:07:47 GMT References: <20010825182015.01517.00002474@mb-cb.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: scratchers vs. knives Message-ID: <20010825220747.01562.00004081@mb-ml.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30854 nine frame spacing is definitely better. It makes working the hive easier as well as killing less bees. The honey difference between 9 and 10 frame is nominal. However a good 8 framer is always welcome;) As long as you space the nine correctly you should have very little bridges drawn. as for the uncapping you bet its easier if you are using power uncappers. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 30855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!213.56.195.71!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 'Frosted' honey Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:16:04 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9m7ttb$q7b$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-194-221.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30855 I've got so much helpful advice from this Newsgroup lately, that I hope you will all forgive another request. I suspect that I bottled this year's honey too quickly. At any rate, what I put into jars a couple of weeks ago has begun to 'frost' at the sides in a really unattractive way. Is there any way that, having removed the honey to a warming cabinet, I can rebottle it without this happening? What precautions should I take in doing this? The honey is a blend of about 25% predominantly oilseed rape honey, from Spring, which I warmed gently, but over a couple of days, to a really liquid state, and about 75% non-oilseed rape, from late July/August. Any help would be very much appreciated. Article 30856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Aug 2001 13:27:27 GMT References: <3b86c8bb$0$8513$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Solar Wax Extractor Message-ID: <20010825092727.13154.00003672@mb-ms.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30856 Lattitude? Article 30857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I miss the follow up posts on combining hives? Date: 26 Aug 2001 15:28:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0108261428.653c9cd4@posting.google.com> References: <3B6F25B9.C5CE9B9B@starband.net> <9kp5j1$90c$0@65.201.241.44> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.70.186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 998864918 11599 127.0.0.1 (26 Aug 2001 22:28:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2001 22:28:38 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30857 if you need to unite two hives then remove the queen in the weakest hive, or the queen that you do not want,then in the late afternoon or evening put the weaker hive without its queen over the stronger hive which of course will still have its queen separated by a queen excluder and a sheet of paper. I have never known bees fight it out if this method is used. if you must do it in an emergency then remove one queen and spray both sets of bees with a sugar or weak honey solution and mix them up in one hive, there may be a little aggravation for a moment but mostly they will spend so much time cleaning themselves that they will unite without too much trouble take care and stay lucky Article 30858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.netins.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeff Lea" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Spa invasion - how to keep 'em out? Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 00:26:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.1.157.37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 998872015 66.1.157.37 (Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:26:55 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:26:55 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:24:11 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30858 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:322 For the last several weeks honeybees have been eagerly finding their way into my outdoor spa through the folding seams in the spa cover. They stay in there and die, causing some cleanup hassle but, mainly, I hate to see them expire for no reason. We don't use any perfume in the spa nor does anyone use it with more than the mildest of scents. Chlorine is about it. Any suggestions? Article 30859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Appleby" <##daaple@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Spa invasion - how to keep 'em out? Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <8zhi7.117683$w5.11887105@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 01:41:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 998876484 24.248.135.205 (Sun, 26 Aug 2001 18:41:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 18:41:24 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30859 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:323 Are they looking for a water source? They need water to cool the hive when it is very hot. David A. Jeff Lea wrote in message news:jtgi7.6222$Ib.732496@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > For the last several weeks honeybees have been eagerly finding their way > into my outdoor spa through the folding seams in the spa cover. They stay > in there and die, causing some cleanup hassle but, mainly, I hate to see > them expire for no reason. We don't use any perfume in the spa nor does > anyone use it with more than the mildest of scents. Chlorine is about it. > > Any suggestions? > > Article 30860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 22 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Aug 2001 11:29:00 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Spa invasion - how to keep 'em out? Message-ID: <20010827072900.04973.00001281@mb-fe.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30860 The bees seek out the spa to get water. Assuming the spa is not the only water source the bees seek it out because it has a "flavor" they can identify and use to direct their foragers to the spa. You might try providing another source of water to the bees that has a flavor different than your spa. A trash can lid full of pebbles and water with a drop of vanilla or a few peppermints in it might do the trick. Spraying around the spa lid and edges with vinegar may help in deterring the bees but once they have found a good water source it may take a feww weeks to change their minds. I would set the flavored water a few feet from the spa in the direction the bees are coming from and after they begin using it move it a few feet farther away a couple times a day until their watering hole isn't underfoot and in the way. A good way to keep the can lid full is to invert a gallon pickle jar full of water over it (like a chicken waterer) Article 30861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeff Lea" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: <8zhi7.117683$w5.11887105@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com> Subject: Re: Spa invasion - how to keep 'em out? Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:28:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.1.157.37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 998915315 66.1.157.37 (Mon, 27 Aug 2001 05:28:35 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 05:28:35 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 05:25:50 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30861 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:325 No, there is a swimming pool 10 feet away, of seemingly more desirable water (it's not heated). "David Appleby" <##daaple@home.com> wrote in message news:8zhi7.117683$w5.11887105@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com... > Are they looking for a water source? They need water to cool the hive when > it is very hot. > David A. > > Jeff Lea wrote in message > news:jtgi7.6222$Ib.732496@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > For the last several weeks honeybees have been eagerly finding their way > > into my outdoor spa through the folding seams in the spa cover. They stay > > in there and die, causing some cleanup hassle but, mainly, I hate to see > > them expire for no reason. We don't use any perfume in the spa nor does > > anyone use it with more than the mildest of scents. Chlorine is about it. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > > Article 30862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!newsr2.u-net.net!news-peer-uk.interpacket.net!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail From: "H.Wartena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:00:22 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 48 Message-ID: <9mdh7o$dft$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <20998-3B86BDE2-25@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <9m94c7$fb12@news.vtx.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-128-123.dialup.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 998918200 13821 212.239.128.123 (27 Aug 2001 13:16:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 2001 13:16:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:17:27 BST (newsr2.u-net.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30862 Cast candles will either leak wax ore they will burn only in the middle, dipped ones don't do such nasty things. So I would suggest my kids to dip. I have too one end of a 30 cm, 1 ź " copper pipe soldered a plate to close it and to make it stand in a pan. The pan is filled with water, and the pipe with wax. The pipe can be higher then the pan, the wax must not be warmer then some 80 centigrade. Tie a loop in the wicks for hanging them. First dip the wick in the wax, stretch it and let it cool. Then dip them again and again, end let them always cool in-between. Cut of the wax below the end of the wick and roll it on the table to make it strait every now and then. BUT Beeswax is much too noble to burn it! So I would suggest me kids to use paraffin in stead, moreover paraffin burns better( less soot, wither flame) then beeswax. Use your wax for foundations, cremes etc. Much success with your bees. Hans. "Martin-Paul Broennimann" schreef in bericht news:9m94c7$fb12@news.vtx.ch... > you can also dip a string into molten wax, repeatedly, letting the wax > become firm between two dippings, as one used to do. > > -- > Best regards... > Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com > Mailto=> info@broennimann.com > > Martin-Paul Broennimann > architecte et urbaniste > 14, rue du Diorama > CH 1204 Genčve Suisse > tél. portable 0041 78 6272967 > Melissa Osbourne a écrit dans le message : > 20998-3B86BDE2-25@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > > We just pulled our first crop of honey. The kids would like to know how > > to turn the beeswax into candles. We don't have any full sheets of > > beeswax, just clumps. If anyone can tell me, we would sure appreciate > > it. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Melissa > > > > Article 30863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!news.panix.com!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@panix3.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Date: 27 Aug 2001 15:03:22 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9me5hq$brb$1@panix3.panix.com> References: <794ccde.0108270638.2b5bc21e@posting.google.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 998938991 13705 166.84.1.3 (27 Aug 2001 19:03:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 2001 19:03:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30863 In article <794ccde.0108270638.2b5bc21e@posting.google.com>, RRsafety wrote: >Swarm of bees attack, kill beekeeper >By Associated Press, 8/27/2001 01:06 >FRANKLIN, Conn. (AP) A beekeeper has died following an attack by a >swarm of bees that repeatedly stung him. >Jennings was a registered beekeeper with three hives, said Ira Kettle, >state bee inspector. > >''I can't understand it, what went wrong,'' he said. Mean bees. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 30864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Frosted' honey Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:26:06 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <9m7ttb$q7b$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30864 I always thought these were just trapped air bubbles. Somebody also told me they were an indication of a good quality honey? (Why I dont know) On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:16:04 +0100, "Paul Bowden" wrote: >I've got so much helpful advice from this Newsgroup lately, that I hope you >will all forgive another request. > >I suspect that I bottled this year's honey too quickly. At any rate, what I >put into jars a couple of weeks ago has begun to 'frost' at the sides in a >really unattractive way. Is there any way that, having removed the honey to >a warming cabinet, I can rebottle it without this happening? What >precautions should I take in doing this? > >The honey is a blend of about 25% predominantly oilseed rape honey, from >Spring, which I warmed gently, but over a couple of days, to a really liquid >state, and about 75% non-oilseed rape, from late July/August. > >Any help would be very much appreciated. > Article 30865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Sump plans Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:26:55 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3b881ffd$0$234@hades.is.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30865 What is a honey sump supposed to be? On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:59:06 +0200, wrote: >Hi to all, >Are there any plans available to build your own honey sump? >Any help appreciated. >Thanx >Glen >Please respond to beekeeping@webmail.co.za Article 30866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: <8zhi7.117683$w5.11887105@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com> Subject: Re: Spa invasion - how to keep 'em out? Lines: 47 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:32:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 998940723 12.72.48.199 (Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:32:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:32:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30866 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:326 To a bee, the more minerals in the water the better. They are quite fond of dog pee. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Jeff Lea" wrote in message news:T1ri7.7125$Ib.843903@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > No, there is a swimming pool 10 feet away, of seemingly more desirable water > (it's not heated). > > "David Appleby" <##daaple@home.com> wrote in message > news:8zhi7.117683$w5.11887105@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com... > > Are they looking for a water source? They need water to cool the hive when > > it is very hot. > > David A. > > > > Jeff Lea wrote in message > > news:jtgi7.6222$Ib.732496@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > > For the last several weeks honeybees have been eagerly finding their way > > > into my outdoor spa through the folding seams in the spa cover. They > stay > > > in there and die, causing some cleanup hassle but, mainly, I hate to see > > > them expire for no reason. We don't use any perfume in the spa nor does > > > anyone use it with more than the mildest of scents. Chlorine is about > it. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 30867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: rrsafety@my-deja.com (RRsafety) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Date: 27 Aug 2001 07:38:45 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 26 Message-ID: <794ccde.0108270638.2b5bc21e@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.22.129.116 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 998923125 23673 127.0.0.1 (27 Aug 2001 14:38:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 2001 14:38:45 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30867 Swarm of bees attack, kill beekeeper By Associated Press, 8/27/2001 01:06 FRANKLIN, Conn. (AP) A beekeeper has died following an attack by a swarm of bees that repeatedly stung him. Ernest Jennings, 54, died Sunday after he was covered by the bees. Deputy Fire Chief Clem Watson said a firefighter who responded had ''never seen anything like it in his life.'' Firefighters and an ambulance team approached Jennings only after using a garden hose to spray and disperse the insects, Watson said. It was not immediately known whether Jennings, whose interest in bees was a hobby, wore protective gear. George M. Purtill, a beekeeper in Glastonbury, said because honeybees die after stinging their victim, they do not likely sting without provocation. ''They have one shot and they're not going to waste it,'' he said. Jennings was a registered beekeeper with three hives, said Ira Kettle, state bee inspector. ''I can't understand it, what went wrong,'' he said. Article 30868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B8AD6F2.7B14DF5@hcis.net> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:25:38 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Stuff ya really don't want to know References: <8zhi7.117683$w5.11887105@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.7 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 998947227 66.20.227.7 (27 Aug 2001 16:20:27 -0500) Lines: 17 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-dallas!news-in-dallas.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30868 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:327 George Styer wrote: > > To a bee, the more minerals in the water the better. They are quite fond of > dog pee. Kinda reminds me of the Law & Sausage rule - if ya love either one, don't watch them being made.... AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!news.ipartners.pl!news.man.poznan.pl!news.icm.edu.pl!lublin.pl!news.lublin.pl!not-for-mail From: "yez" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees behaviour... Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:19:00 +0200 Organization: lubman Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9medi2$3t0$1@news.lublin.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: cerber.poczta.lublin.pl X-Trace: news.lublin.pl 998947203 4000 212.182.114.243 (27 Aug 2001 21:20:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.lublin.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:20:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30869 Hi... I need to prepare short presentation about beed behaviour in different envoirment (when is raing, when is hot etc... ) Do u know any links or have any information ?? I will be very glad.. . Thx.. --------------------------------------------------- Sześć dni się obijamy, siódmego odpoczywamy www.yezooz.3d.pl gadu - 21019 tel - 504 82 99 82 --------------------------------------------------- Article 30870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:28:27 -0300 Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3B8ABB7B.2B800C90@hotmail.com> References: <794ccde.0108270638.2b5bc21e@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 998947660 26560 129.173.88.206 (27 Aug 2001 21:27:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:27:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30870 Maybe a sudden severe allergic reaction to a sting? This can happen, even if someone worked for years with bees without any allergic reaction to stings. "covered by the bees" may be just a overexageration by the press, or the guy collapsed and pushed a hive over...... The coroner should be able to tell the story. Ulli RRsafety wrote: > Swarm of bees attack, kill beekeeper > By Associated Press, 8/27/2001 01:06 > FRANKLIN, Conn. (AP) A beekeeper has died following an attack by a > swarm of bees that repeatedly stung him. > > Ernest Jennings, 54, died Sunday after he was covered by the bees. > > Deputy Fire Chief Clem Watson said a firefighter who responded had > ''never seen anything like it in his life.'' > > Firefighters and an ambulance team approached Jennings only after > using a garden hose to spray and disperse the insects, Watson said. > > It was not immediately known whether Jennings, whose interest in bees > was a hobby, wore protective gear. > > George M. Purtill, a beekeeper in Glastonbury, said because honeybees > die after stinging their victim, they do not likely sting without > provocation. > > ''They have one shot and they're not going to waste it,'' he said. > > Jennings was a registered beekeeper with three hives, said Ira Kettle, > state bee inspector. > > ''I can't understand it, what went wrong,'' he said. Article 30871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Aug 2001 21:58:03 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: 'Frosted' honey Message-ID: <20010827175803.13104.00004003@mb-ms.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30871 Rapeseed honey is prone to going solid in a hurry. It's the nature of the stuff. Just let folks know how to reliquify and assure them that it is their guaranntee that there was no dilution. Article 30873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Aug 2001 02:16:09 GMT References: <9mdh7o$dft$1@news.planetinternet.be> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: <20010827221609.23057.00002580@mb-fw.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30873 >Cast candles will either leak wax ore they will burn only in the middle, dipped ones don't do such nasty things. So I would suggest my kids to dip. That's a bunch of hog wash. If you use the proper size square braided wicking your mold poured candles will burn perfectly. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 30874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Aug 2001 10:48:58 GMT References: <20010827221609.23057.00002580@mb-fw.news.cs.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: <20010828064858.01599.00001672@mb-ck.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30874 > >>Cast candles will either leak wax ore they will burn only in the middle, >dipped ones don't do such nasty things. You must not be using the proper size wick for the candle size. That is the only way this would happen. I have been making and selling cast candles for years and have never had this problem. Ralph Article 30875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!torn!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Helen Ward" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Silly Me - Barging in Here Like This - Excuse my lack of ettiquette and bee terminolgy! Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: <4HMi7.32$JH4.33198@news1.telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:06:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.59.37.176 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 999003968 142.59.37.176 (Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:06:08 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:06:08 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30875 My momma always said "Son, you ask too many questions!" "Now go share that gift with someone else would ya." So today's your LUCKY day Fellas! And hopefully my insatiable curiosity gets a drink ... of some of that fermented honey stash*(unknown #1) How big is an individual honeycomb opening in a *wild nest? I assume they are naturally cylindrical shaped right - like inside a wasp nest * just made from wax instead of cellulose? How big are these openings in a full depth man-made comb frame? I ignorantly assume the hexa- or hepta- or penta- shape is an aesthetic man-made detail? Why not a square or triangle? Are just the caps are sheared before extraction? Is it very hygenic for resusing this wax??? Now with the partial (not deep) man-made frames - the one's the bees build onto - doesn't this reduce the hive's overall honey output? I mean doesn't the bee have to expend valuable energies on wax mouldmaking instead of nectar evaporation? Then there's the extra labour for pressing the oil outa the wax for the keeper. Does both of the bee's wax and honey processes come from nectar? And Finally... What is the biggest barrier to a beekeeper from say doubling his operation size? Hive's mass & costs? Newbees? Pests? Transportation? Time & labour? There's more than enough flowers right? PS - The reason I'm asking all this is because my uncle has a 5-man bee operation and I wanted to learn as much as I could about it before catching him off guard with showing some interest about starting in it just a bit myself. Are white spuds good buds for the bees? Could one put a small hive within a self contained commercial greenhouse? Anyone tried bees with just echinachea - that's gotta bee a waiting wonder! Sorry - It must be in the gyspsy blood! ;- ) [eht dam rettah||:{ Article 30876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.55!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:00:50 -0500 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <794ccde.0108270638.2b5bc21e@posting.google.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.55 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 999018053 2242470 216.167.143.55 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30876 >Ernest Jennings, 54, died Sunday after he was covered by the bees. Remember that in experiments with African(ized) Bees in South America, they survived being in the Andes mountains with snow on the ground. They were not supposed to do that because they didn't know how to 'cluster' then in their swarming behavior, they can cover hundreds of kilometers a year. (we say miles in America, I'm glad to say) This man may have had a close encounter with an africanized colony, and if the bees don't measure up morphologically speaking, then they may still have the genes present to give them that famous aggressive reaction. Point is, no beekeepers should mess with a 'swarm' of bees (well the newspaper did say 'swarm') without being well protected. I believe gone are the days when old Clem the mild mannered beekeeper takes a swarm out of a tree with nothing more than a cardboard box. This may sound like the bleeding obvious to us Southwest beekeepers, but it may not be so with the Northern ones that think they're safe from AHB's. Poor Mr. Jennings may have discovered this fact. C.K. Article 30877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.152!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Silly Me - Barging in Here Like This - Excuse my lack of ettiquette and bee terminolgy! Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:48:13 -0500 Lines: 140 Message-ID: References: <4HMi7.32$JH4.33198@news1.telusplanet.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.152 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 999024496 2346083 216.167.143.152 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30877 >So today's your LUCKY day Fellas! humm.. >How big is an individual honeycomb opening in a *wild nest? It varies, do an Internet search "honeybee comb cell sizes" >I assume they are naturally cylindrical shaped right wrong >just made from wax instead of cellulose? Yes, just wax >How big are these openings in a full depth man-made comb frame? refer to your search about cell size above. And although I think you mean man made 'frames' the bees make the comb on 'foundation' made from recycled beeswax by a man made machine which 'copies' the 'shape' of the cell. The bees then 'extend' this 'milled' pattern supported in a 'standard' frame, into comb, with cell sizes based on the milled foundation. These sizes are currently 'controversial' in the fight against Varroa mites. i.e. 'natural sizes' versus man made 'larger' sizes that cause the bee larva to remain in the cell longer, thus assisting the mite's maturity.) >I ignorantly assume the hexa- or hepta- or penta- shape is an aesthetic >man-made detail? no the bees make cells, with the famous shape being of six sides, with each side sharing a common side with the next cell, making this one of natures wonders of strength and efficient storage. >Are just the caps are sheared before extraction? Is it very hygenic for >resusing this wax??? Yes, the caps and some of the cell, in fact a lot of wax. This wax is of the best quality. It is sought after by the cosmetics world. Wax can always be reused, by cleaning and being milled into new 'foundation.' In fact that's the most 'economical' thing to do with it. It is only 'hygienic' if you avoid putting chemical miticides in the hive, as these are 'absorbed' into the wax in what is described by the FDA (Federal Drug Administration) as acceptable levels. >Now with the partial (not deep) man-made frames - the one's the bees build >onto - doesn't this reduce the hive's overall honey output? I mean doesn't >the bee have to expend valuable energies on wax mouldmaking instead of >nectar evaporation? Then there's the extra labour for pressing the oil outa >the wax for the keeper Strike all that garbage from your thoughts, all those questions are 'irrelevant' to what you want to know. In other words, fight against having an idea or opinion about anything until you've RTFM. If you persist in these fantasies you may someday be able to work for one of those companies involved with the 'Missile Defense Initative.' >Does both of the bee's wax and honey processes come from nectar? Honey is 'processed' nectar. (read the book) Honey is the bees 'carbohydrate' part of their diet that allows them to generate heat and is a component of the bee's energy requirements. Pollen is the protein and mineral part of their diet and is as important as the honey. These two components are known to beekeepers as 'stores.' >What is the biggest barrier to a beekeeper from say doubling his operation >size? Money (hive parts, labour, etc.) Labour (usually helps to be slave) Location (climate, weather, nectar sources and for how long) Proximity of 'Agri-Business' activities (under two miles from your bees, you're risking your money) >There's more than enough flowers right? That depends on what happens to the land the flowers are on, and what kind of flowers we're talking about. Generally flowers as such, meaning annual flowers, don't provide much nectar as say blooming trees and shrubs and perennial plants like clovers, all of which require 'undisturbed' land. >PS - The reason I'm asking all this is because my uncle has a 5-man bee >operation and I wanted to learn as much as I could about it before You see before there was the Internet there were these things called 'books' and people generally read them to find out something if they were fond of learning. Your case is no different. >Are white spuds good buds for the bees? I don't know. >Could one put a small hive within a self contained commercial greenhouse? Yes, that is best achieved with bumblebees instead of honeybees. >Anyone tried bees with just echinachea - that's gotta bee a waiting wonder! I live where Echinacea bloom, if it rains enough. They are fairly short (around a foot or so) look rather like a daisy and grow here as widely separated plants, not in groups, but almost always on their own. If you're thinking about their nectar having qualities related to their reputation as a treatment for ulcers and boils, I'm not sure it actually produces nectar. It does produce some pollen. I think the medicinal component if that's you're implication, is extracted from the roots. A Raold Dhal character named Uncle Oswald had a girl friend in North Africa that used to grow large fields of 'hemp' and kept bees around. She always sent him a bottle of her honey for medicinal purposes, but remember this is Raold Dhal writing here. >Sorry - It must be in the gyspsy blood! ;- ) Whatever dude. C.K. Article 30878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Aug 2001 19:08:13 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Message-ID: <20010828150813.09708.00002324@nso-mp.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30878 In article , Charlie Kroeger writes: > >Point is, no beekeepers should mess with a 'swarm' of bees (well the >newspaper did say 'swarm') without being well protected. I believe >gone are the days when old Clem the mild mannered beekeeper takes a >swarm out of a tree with nothing more than a cardboard box. > Here in Central Texas, those days are gone. And, the definition well protected has an entirely new meaning. Just having a veil on is no protection at all. Bob Pursley Article 30879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!news.uah.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 84 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Aug 2001 19:19:38 GMT References: <4HMi7.32$JH4.33198@news1.telusplanet.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Silly Me - Barging in Here Like This - Excuse my lack of ettiquette and bee terminolgy! Message-ID: <20010828151938.00800.00003794@mb-fx.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30879 >How big is an individual honeycomb opening in a *wild nest? I assume they >are naturally cylindrical shaped right - like inside a wasp nest * just made >from wax instead of cellulose? Yes and they are around 5mm >I ignorantly assume the hexa- or hepta- or penta- shape is an aesthetic >man-made detail? Why not a square or triangle? They are not man made. The hexagon design is one of the stongest structures. Perfect for storing heavy honey stores. >Are just the caps are sheared before extraction? Is it very hygenic for >resusing this wax??? Mostly. Why wouldn't it be hygenic? All processed beeswax originates this way. >Now with the partial (not deep) man-made frames - the one's the bees build >onto - doesn't this reduce the hive's overall honey output? I mean doesn't >the bee have to expend valuable energies on wax mouldmaking instead of >nectar evaporation? Then there's the extra labour for pressing the oil outa >the wax for the keeper. Yes building new comb does require extra honey and does take away from the total output. It take around nine pounds of honey to draw out a box. But where are they gonna put it if they have no comb? What oil? >Does both of the bee's wax and honey processes come from nectar? Honey is nectar that has been digested and dried. Beeswax is secreted from glands on the workers abdomen. I guess you can say honey is converted to beeswax. >What is the biggest barrier to a beekeeper from say doubling his operation >size? Hive's mass & costs? Newbees? Pests? Transportation? Time & labour? All of the above. You can figure around $10,000 per 100 hives startup. >There's more than enough flowers right? Depends on the area and how many other hives are around. >PS - The reason I'm asking all this is because my uncle has a 5-man bee >operation and I wanted to learn as much as I could about it before catching >him off guard with showing some interest about starting in it just a bit >myself. I would suggest reading ABC's and XYZ's of beekeeping to get general knowledge and beekeeping terminology. I read 15 books before I started asking my own questions when I got in the biz. It's easier to communicate and learn more once you have a basic foundation to build on. Beekeepers generally hate answering the same basic questions over and over as we get them all day long. >Are white spuds good buds for the bees? Have no idea what that is. >Could one put a small hive within a self contained commercial greenhouse? >Anyone tried bees with just echinachea - that's gotta bee a waiting wonder! > Yes one could, but you would have to feed the bees unless you gotta lot of greenhouse. There normally would not be enough nectar or pollen to sustain the hive. Anyway thts my $.02 Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 30880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Silly Me - Barging in Here Like This - Excuse my lack of ettiquette and bee terminolgy! Date: 28 Aug 2001 14:03:54 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 65 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0108281303.11a9c831@posting.google.com> References: <4HMi7.32$JH4.33198@news1.telusplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.47.48.69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999032634 20459 127.0.0.1 (28 Aug 2001 21:03:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 2001 21:03:54 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30880 I'll attempt an answer for some of your questions. "Helen Ward" wrote in message > How big is an individual honeycomb opening in a *wild nest? I assume they > are naturally cylindrical shaped right - like inside a wasp nest * just made > from wax instead of cellulose? > > How big are these openings in a full depth man-made comb frame? > I ignorantly assume the hexa- or hepta- or penta- shape is an aesthetic > man-made detail? Why not a square or triangle? The bees and wasps figured out a loooooooong time ago that a cluster of hex-shaped cells gives the maximum amount of cell space for the minimum amount of wall material. (Have you ever wondered why a pattern of hexagons is called a "honeycomb pattern"?) As to the size, I don't have the exact number, (I think a bit over 5mm), but even that is somewhat variable and debatable. > Are just the caps are sheared before extraction? Is it very hygenic for > resusing this wax??? Yes, and yes. The bees will clean it up. > Now with the partial (not deep) man-made frames - the one's the bees build > onto - doesn't this reduce the hive's overall honey output? I mean doesn't > the bee have to expend valuable energies on wax mouldmaking instead of > nectar evaporation? What works best for foundation/comb is a HIGHLY debatable point. Some beekeepers use only a starter strip of foundation, others use the plastic comb with deep cells and the majority use something in between. They all have their fans and detractors. > Then there's the extra labour for pressing the oil outa > the wax for the keeper. There is no oil to press out. > Does both of the bee's wax and honey processes come from nectar? Yes. > And Finally... > > What is the biggest barrier to a beekeeper from say doubling his operation > size? Hive's mass & costs? Newbees? Pests? Transportation? Time & labour? All of these and about 20 other reasons. > There's more than enough flowers right? Depends where you are and the time of year. > PS - The reason I'm asking all this is because my uncle has a 5-man bee > operation and I wanted to learn as much as I could about it before catching > him off guard with showing some interest about starting in it just a bit > myself. If you really want to learn about bees, you'll be far ahead by reading one of the many books about beginning beekeeping. It will take you through a logical sequence of how a beehive works and how to manage one. Then try to manage a hive and find out the bees forgot to read the book. Then you'll really have some good questions to ask. By asking random questions, all you learn are disconnected factoids. > Are white spuds good buds for the bees? > Could one put a small hive within a self contained commercial greenhouse? You could, but mostly the bees would just try to get out through the windows. Much of the commercial greenhouse pollination is done by bumblebees, but that's a whole different can of worms. I mean hive of bees. Nuc. Article 30881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "DeBill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Another Attack Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:48:29 -0700 Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.3.225.133 Message-ID: <3b8c1012$1_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 999034898 209.3.225.133 (28 Aug 2001 16:41:38 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!out.nntp.be!propagator-dallas!news-in-dallas.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30881 Swarm of bees attacks girl in Southern California LONG BEACH, Calif. (AP) -- A bee swarm, possibly killer bees, attacked a 7-year-old girl as she walked down the street with a friend. Mariya Cook was picking flowers Monday morning with her friend, 6-year-old Hannah Purser, when she noticed the bees coming out of a trash can. A swarm of about 25 bees circled her head, then they began stinging her on the arm and hand. "We were just walking and then they were all over me. Hannah's mom grabbed me and wet me with the hose, and then she took me inside," the girl said. She wasn't seriously hurt. Hannah's mother, Kim Purser, said she looked out her front window and saw the girls waving their arms in the air and screaming for help. Purser ran outside to where the girls were swatting at a swarm of bees. "I told my daughter to run inside, and then I grabbed Mariya and dragged her to the hose," Purser said. "After I washed all the bees off I took her inside. ... We checked her all over to make sure she was all right and tried to calm her down." The hive was destroyed by city workers. The only way to know if the bees are Africanized, or killer bees, is by sending them to a state lab in Sacramento. Rather than incur the testing costs, the city instituted a policy of destroying hives of bees that behave like the highly aggressive Africanized bee. ================================================================== First, it seems that any attack of bees lately is automatically associated with the Africanized bees. Leave it to the press to have blood running in the streets. Secondly, this seems like a lousy city policy. Wouldn't it be better to have a professional try to collect the hive and re-queen or is this just the best "political" choice of all the alternatives? begin 666 spacer.gif K1TE&.#EA`@`"`(#_`,# P ```"'Y! $`````+ `````"``(```("A%$`.P`` ` end -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another Attack Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:26:26 -0400 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <9mh5qj$26mjk$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <3b8c1012$1_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 999037588 2316916 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30882 Doesn't even sound like bees - more like yellow jackets or wasps, which prefer that type of environment and are much more likely to attack in that manner. 25 is not a typical AHB attack -- 2500 might be. "DeBill" wrote in message news:3b8c1012$1_1@corp.newsgroups.com... > Swarm of bees attacks girl in Southern California > > LONG BEACH, Calif. (AP) -- A bee swarm, possibly killer bees, attacked > a 7-year-old girl as she walked down the street with a friend. > > Mariya Cook was picking flowers Monday morning with her friend, > 6-year-old Hannah Purser, when she noticed the bees coming out of a trash > can. A swarm of about 25 bees circled her head, then they began stinging her > on the arm and hand. Article 30883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another Attack Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:29:21 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 49 Message-ID: <3b8c1a9b.194513795@news1.radix.net> References: <3b8c1012$1_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p26.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30883 On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:48:29 -0700, "DeBill" wrote: > Swarm of bees attacks girl in Southern California > > LONG BEACH, Calif. (AP) -- A bee swarm, possibly killer bees, attacked >a 7-year-old girl as she walked down the street with a friend. > > Mariya Cook was picking flowers Monday morning with her friend, >6-year-old Hannah Purser, when she noticed the bees coming out of a trash >can. A swarm of about 25 bees circled her head, then they began stinging her >on the arm and hand. > > "We were just walking and then they were all over me. Hannah's mom >grabbed me and wet me with the hose, and then she took me inside," the girl >said. She wasn't seriously hurt. > > Hannah's mother, Kim Purser, said she looked out her front window and >saw the girls waving their arms in the air and screaming for help. Purser >ran outside to where the girls were swatting at a swarm of bees. > > "I told my daughter to run inside, and then I grabbed Mariya and >dragged her to the hose," Purser said. "After I washed all the bees off I >took her inside. ... We checked her all over to make sure she was all right >and tried to calm her down." > > The hive was destroyed by city workers. The only way to know if the >bees are Africanized, or killer bees, is by sending them to a state lab in >Sacramento. Rather than incur the testing costs, the city instituted a >policy of destroying hives of bees that behave like the highly aggressive >Africanized bee. > > ================================================================== > > First, it seems that any attack of bees lately is automatically >associated with the Africanized bees. Leave it to the press to have blood >running in the streets. > > Secondly, this seems like a lousy city policy. Wouldn't it be better >to have a professional try to collect the hive and re-queen or is this just >the best "political" choice of all the alternatives? > Even worse - we don't even know if they were honeybees. I am getting 3 to 4 calls a week bee removals and all are yellow jackets. I even had an extermintor tell a woman that they were honeybees when they were in fact yellow colored wasps. beekeep Article 30884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Aug 2001 12:42:54 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Message-ID: <20010829084254.13138.00004526@mb-ms.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30884 I have had supercedures of bees that were as mean as can be. Buckfasts from Texas which I have sadly given up on even though they were strong survivors and good producers. Nobody yet knows what caused what happened to the beekeeper from CT Both the analysis of the bees and the coroners report aren't out. 25 miles from Franklin, Sunday was a gorgeous day to work bees the knotweed was flowing so I doubt is was weather related. I keep bees in a fairly urban setting and the day they cannot be worked in good weather during a flow in a t shirt my hives are history. In some spots I could hit any of 3 neighbors houses with a hive tool and I have a bad shoulder. Article 30885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "JB" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4HMi7.32$JH4.33198@news1.telusplanet.net> <9936fa52.0108281303.11a9c831@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Silly Me - Barging in Here Like This - Excuse my lack of ettiquette and bee terminolgy! Lines: 103 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: <_Oej7.3833$JH4.698954@news1.telusplanet.net> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:22:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.59.37.176 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 999127354 142.59.37.176 (Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:22:34 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:22:34 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30885 "Nuc Skep" wrote in message news:9936fa52.0108281303.11a9c831@posting.google.com... > I'll attempt an answer for some of your questions. > > "Helen Ward" wrote in message > > How big is an individual honeycomb opening in a *wild nest? I assume they > > are naturally cylindrical shaped right - like inside a wasp nest * just made > > from wax instead of cellulose? > > > > How big are these openings in a full depth man-made comb frame? > > I ignorantly assume the hexa- or hepta- or penta- shape is an aesthetic > > man-made detail? Why not a square or triangle? > The bees and wasps figured out a loooooooong time ago that a cluster > of hex-shaped cells gives the maximum amount of cell space for the > minimum amount of wall material. (Have you ever wondered why a > pattern of hexagons is called a "honeycomb pattern"?) As to the size, > I don't have the exact number, (I think a bit over 5mm), but even that > is somewhat variable and debatable. > > > Are just the caps are sheared before extraction? Is it very hygenic for > > resusing this wax??? > Yes, and yes. The bees will clean it up. > > > Now with the partial (not deep) man-made frames - the one's the bees build > > onto - doesn't this reduce the hive's overall honey output? I mean doesn't > > the bee have to expend valuable energies on wax mouldmaking instead of > > nectar evaporation? > What works best for foundation/comb is a HIGHLY debatable point. Some > beekeepers use only a starter strip of foundation, others use the > plastic comb with deep cells and the majority use something in > between. They all have their fans and detractors. > > > Then there's the extra labour for pressing the oil outa > > the wax for the keeper. > There is no oil to press out. > > > Does both of the bee's wax and honey processes come from nectar? > Yes. > > > And Finally... > > > > What is the biggest barrier to a beekeeper from say doubling his operation > > size? Hive's mass & costs? Newbees? Pests? Transportation? Time & labour? > All of these and about 20 other reasons. > > > There's more than enough flowers right? > Depends where you are and the time of year. > > > PS - The reason I'm asking all this is because my uncle has a 5-man bee > > operation and I wanted to learn as much as I could about it before catching > > him off guard with showing some interest about starting in it just a bit > > myself. > If you really want to learn about bees, you'll be far ahead by reading > one of the many books about beginning beekeeping. It will take you > through a logical sequence of how a beehive works and how to manage > one. Then try to manage a hive and find out the bees forgot to read > the book. Then you'll really have some good questions to ask. By > asking random questions, all you learn are disconnected factoids. > > > Are white spuds good buds for the bees? > > Could one put a small hive within a self contained commercial greenhouse? > You could, but mostly the bees would just try to get out through the > windows. Much of the commercial greenhouse pollination is done by > bumblebees, but that's a whole different can of worms. I mean hive of > bees. > > Nuc. Okay Okay - Sorry for my ignorance about stuff I did once know from grade school. ie, hexagon and pressing honey from the wax (not oil). My thinking may be diluted, but it is at least abstract. So, what if a person provided say a plastic substrate that had a square or a tubular grid *honeycomb profile in it already? And tried to get the bees to try to use these openings instead of their usual combs - would it work??? Has anyone ever tried new twists with hive construction?? "Or is it the old 'It ain't broke, so why fix it attitude' "? Thanx, JB PS - Anyone want to try one experimental comb? Send me the frame's size specs and I'll whip one up and send it in the mail. Article 30886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B8E65B5.49A43593@hcis.net> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:11:33 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Silly Me - Barging in Here Like This - Excuse my lack of ettiquette and bee terminolgy! References: <4HMi7.32$JH4.33198@news1.telusplanet.net> <9936fa52.0108281303.11a9c831@posting.google.com> <_Oej7.3833$JH4.698954@news1.telusplanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.46 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 999180382 66.20.225.46 (30 Aug 2001 09:06:22 -0500) Lines: 26 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!news.stealth.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30886 JB wrote: > > So, what if a person provided say a plastic substrate that had a square or > a tubular grid *honeycomb profile in it already? > And tried to get the bees to try to use these openings instead of their > usual combs - would it work??? Yes. The bees would simply "morph" the shapes into hexagonal cylinders. Oh! You meant would they draw out square or round cylinders - No. Don't try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig. AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "JB" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4HMi7.32$JH4.33198@news1.telusplanet.net> <9936fa52.0108281303.11a9c831@posting.google.com> <_Oej7.3833$JH4.698954@news1.telusplanet.net> <3B8E65B5.49A43593@hcis.net> Subject: Re: Silly Me - Barging in Here Like This - Excuse my lack of ettiquette and bee terminolgy! Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: <5Ywj7.4842$IU3.1188026@news0.telusplanet.net> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:01:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.59.37.176 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 999201665 142.59.37.176 (Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:01:05 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:01:05 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30887 "AL" wrote in message news:3B8E65B5.49A43593@hcis.net... > JB wrote: > > > > So, what if a person provided say a plastic substrate that had a square or > > a tubular grid *honeycomb profile in it already? > > And tried to get the bees to try to use these openings instead of their > > usual combs - would it work??? > > > > > Yes. The bees would simply "morph" the shapes into hexagonal cylinders. > > Oh! You meant would they draw out square or round cylinders - No. > > > > Don't try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the > pig. > > > AL > > YEAH YEAH OINK OINK I am a carpenter. I build everything with every imaginable material. That's my *skill. I figured if I built a $50 super with the combs - it was a great deal compared to $200+ for "pro" stuff. If the bees "will" morph my squares - then I will definitely try to convince my uncle to try one soon. thanks, jb > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Silly Me - Barging in Here Like This - Excuse my lack of ettiquette and bee terminolgy! Date: 30 Aug 2001 13:28:34 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 43 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0108301228.16b95ea1@posting.google.com> References: <4HMi7.32$JH4.33198@news1.telusplanet.net> <9936fa52.0108281303.11a9c831@posting.google.com> <_Oej7.3833$JH4.698954@news1.telusplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.47.48.69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999203314 30867 127.0.0.1 (30 Aug 2001 20:28:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 2001 20:28:34 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30888 "JB" wrote in message news:<_Oej7.3833$JH4.698954@news1.telusplanet.net>... ---snip--- > > Okay Okay - Sorry for my ignorance about stuff I did once know from grade > school. > ie, hexagon and pressing honey from the wax (not oil). > > My thinking may be diluted, but it is at least abstract. > > So, what if a person provided say a plastic substrate that had a square or > a tubular grid *honeycomb profile in it already? > > And tried to get the bees to try to use these openings instead of their > usual combs - would it work??? > > > Has anyone ever tried new twists with hive construction?? > "Or is it the old 'It ain't broke, so why fix it attitude' "? There are always new twists being tried. The thing is, over a century ago, beekeepers learned that two things would put them far ahead of the ancient methods: 1-Movable frames and 2-Maintaining proper "bee space". These two items greatly limit how a hive must be constructed. Without these two things you wind up with a container, infested by stinging insects, from which you may be able to steal a little honey. The most common type of hive is a stack of boxes filled with frames. One successful deviation from this is the "Top-Bar Hive", but the TBH still utilizes movable frames and bee space. One more thing that keeps lots of the new twists from finding their way into widespread use is the KISS principle. (Keep It Simple, Stupid.) If something is somehow more complex, and there is no measureable advantage to it, it won't stay around long. Nuc. > > Thanx, > > JB > > PS - Anyone want to try one experimental comb? Send me the frame's size > specs and I'll whip one up and send it in the mail. Article 30889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B8ED0ED.6040281B@hcis.net> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:49:01 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Silly Me - Barging in Here Like This - Excuse my lack of ettiquette and bee terminolgy! References: <4HMi7.32$JH4.33198@news1.telusplanet.net> <9936fa52.0108281303.11a9c831@posting.google.com> <_Oej7.3833$JH4.698954@news1.telusplanet.net> <3B8E65B5.49A43593@hcis.net> <5Ywj7.4842$IU3.1188026@news0.telusplanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.226.92 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 999207834 66.20.226.92 (30 Aug 2001 16:43:54 -0500) Lines: 24 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!local-out2.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30889 JB wrote: > > I figured if I built a $50 super with the combs - it was a great deal > compared to $200+ for "pro" stuff. Why would your super cost $50? That's more than I pay for store bought supers, delivered. The ones I build come in around $18 when I have time to mess with them. For around $150 I can buy 2 hive bodies, two supers, bottom board, stand, inner cover and tele-cover, complete with frames & foundation. BTW, no one sells comb (unless its with a used hive) - the bees get to make that. AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "JB" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4HMi7.32$JH4.33198@news1.telusplanet.net> <9936fa52.0108281303.11a9c831@posting.google.com> <_Oej7.3833$JH4.698954@news1.telusplanet.net> <9936fa52.0108301228.16b95ea1@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Silly Me - Barging in Here Like This - Excuse my lack of ettiquette and bee terminolgy! Lines: 89 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: <3qzj7.7392$JH4.1175452@news1.telusplanet.net> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:49:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.59.37.176 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 999211775 142.59.37.176 (Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:49:35 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:49:35 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30890 "Nuc Skep" wrote in message news:9936fa52.0108301228.16b95ea1@posting.google.com... > "JB" wrote in message news:<_Oej7.3833$JH4.698954@news1.telusplanet.net>... > > ---snip--- > > > > Okay Okay - Sorry for my ignorance about stuff I did once know from grade > > school. > > ie, hexagon and pressing honey from the wax (not oil). > > > > My thinking may be diluted, but it is at least abstract. > > > > So, what if a person provided say a plastic substrate that had a square or > > a tubular grid *honeycomb profile in it already? > > > > And tried to get the bees to try to use these openings instead of their > > usual combs - would it work??? > > > > > > Has anyone ever tried new twists with hive construction?? > > "Or is it the old 'It ain't broke, so why fix it attitude' "? > There are always new twists being tried. The thing is, over a century > ago, beekeepers learned that two things would put them far ahead of > the ancient methods: 1-Movable frames and 2-Maintaining proper "bee > space". These two items greatly limit how a hive must be constructed. > Without these two things you wind up with a container, infested by > stinging insects, from which you may be able to steal a little honey. > > The most common type of hive is a stack of boxes filled with frames. > One successful deviation from this is the "Top-Bar Hive", but the TBH > still utilizes movable frames and bee space. One more thing that > keeps lots of the new twists from finding their way into widespread > use is the KISS principle. (Keep It Simple, Stupid.) If something is > somehow more complex, and there is no measureable advantage to it, it > won't stay around long. > > Nuc. > > > > > Thanx, > > > > JB > > > > PS - Anyone want to try one experimental comb? Send me the frame's size > > specs and I'll whip one up and send it in the mail. KISS is mine and any good inventors motto. ENGINEERING is complex - but it's easier to do it in reverse! I am confused about the term *super though - I shouldn't of used it. What I meant was the whole hive should be able to be made for $30 to $50. It's non-toxic food grade PVC, watertight, and most practical for ventilation and insulation. Although, I do have to make the outer shell(box) UV stable with a film or spray to last many, many years. I can even make it opaque so that practically no light gets inside - does that matter too much - or do bees like some mood lighting? ;-) My comb profiles are more rectangular shaped - so bees turning this into a hexagon should be a matter of filling only two corners of this profile (the whole profile will get coated in wax before put in the hive if possible). The plastic is even good for 250 degrees C - so gentle heating for wax extraction is even possible - I hope? My uncle uses a centrifuge - although I cannot recall what he did with the combs afterwards. (too many bees after me) Can the wax comb be reused as is? Or must it be rendered and reused? As for hive dimensions - any size up to 1' deep x 2' wide x 6 ft ' long is possible - although I doubt this is ideal at this size. I'll try to get some education in on my part here - but I am a temp Mr. Mom strapped for time. I have a month old baby girl and a 3 y/o who have me running left and right! :-p BUT I DO KNOW that this is an entirely plausible situation here. So the comb openings are 5mm ish wide - how deep? Thanks guys, JB Article 30891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.175!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:00:07 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <20010829084254.13138.00004526@mb-ms.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.175 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 999212408 3269261 216.167.143.175 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30891 >I keep bees in a fairly urban setting and the day they cannot be worked in good >weather during a flow in a t shirt my hives are history. >In some spots I could hit any of 3 neighbors houses with a hive tool and I have >a bad shoulder. That's tough talk, but no beekeeper down south who wanted to grow old would think that. Times have changed and precautions should be taken. I might add that it's not just with bees either. C.K. Article 30892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: To Catfish Date: 30 Aug 2001 20:44:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.116 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999229479 5556 127.0.0.1 (31 Aug 2001 03:44:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 2001 03:44:39 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30892 Howdy Catfish -- I am interested in knowing your opinion about FGMO since you have been using it. Pete Article 30893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "All Natural" Honey Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:32:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 999257551 4.33.104.3 (Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:32:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:32:31 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:29:44 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30893 Some of you might find this survey finding interesting. It is quoted from a larger study on organic foods and American consumer behavior: =========================== Seventy-Five Percent Think ``All-Natural'' and ``Organic'' Are Synonymous The study, conducted by Roper Starch Worldwide, Inc., reveals that while nearly two in three Americans (63%) feel organic foods and beverages are both better and more healthful for them than the non-organic counterparts, three out of four consumers (75%) are unable to differentiate between organic foods and those which are labeled ``all-natural.'' Additionally, one in five (21%) erroneously thinks ``organic'' is synonymous with ``low-calorie.'' =========================== A summary of this research, published July 9, 2001, may be read at: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010709/nym113.html John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 31 Aug 2001 12:28:15 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Message-ID: <20010831082815.13084.00000320@mb-bg.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30894 Well the latest report in the local paper said the bees did not have the physical characteristics of AHB . Are morphometrics just snake oil ? And they await the results of a DNA analysis. Toxicology reports are not out nor is a count of the stings.. A neighbor is claiming to have seen a swarm take over the hive involved in the attack. You can read the article in todays paper at www.theday.com scroll down to the region section on the opening page. The big question I have right now involves whether the physical characteristics of a honeybee tell you anything at all about AHB or not. Article 30895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:00:31 -0400 Lines: 41 Message-ID: <9mo5a2$3cnjk$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <20010831082815.13084.00000320@mb-bg.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 999266434 3563124 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30895 The comments below confused me! Jennings had been working with his bees around 11:30 a.m. Sunday when they attacked. He had on his protective suit and a "smoker" used to subdue the bees, but the attack was apparently so massive and aggressive that Jennings was overwhelmed. He tried to escape in his pickup truck to his home a quarter-mile away, but the bees followed. His wife, who has allergic reactions to bee stings, attempted unsuccessfully to use a garden hose and insecticides to disperse the swarm. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20010831082815.13084.00000320@mb-bg.aol.com... > Well the latest report in the local paper said the bees did not have the > physical characteristics of AHB . > Are morphometrics just snake oil ? > And they await the results of a DNA analysis. > Toxicology reports are not out nor is a count of the stings.. > A neighbor is claiming to have seen a swarm take over the hive involved in the > attack. > You can read the article in todays paper at www.theday.com scroll down to the > region section on the opening page. > The big question I have right now involves whether the physical characteristics > of a honeybee tell you anything at all about AHB or not. > > > > > > Article 30896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B8BF19D.BEF0C42@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey at the County Fair Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 X-Trace: +TWuLDgQrjT8EE0KDEfQEM8jRZGYD5k2CymoudZuSqwnGw35wTiD2oUtst5FzjwqVtRGXj2ICS06!WsEun93TItkEoI5xHQW2GrYHq7VtNG30/N+xk0KrlyEb0Emgu4vxtEIxh7a8/tWYnJ1s X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:38:21 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:38:21 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30896 This year I didn't get much honey, but it is good. Today, I received a Blue Ribbon on my amber honey at the county fair here in western North Carolina. Now, how can I thank those bees? -- Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. | -- Benjamin Franklin