Article 27867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Matthew Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with City Administration & Bee-Tree example Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 63 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:52:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.14.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 975653533 209.245.14.216 (Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:52:13 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:52:13 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27867 George's opinion of beekeeping behind 'closed doors' as any form of public deception' provokes me to add two cents: How far do we have to look to see laws are passed and suits filed from simple fear rather than fact? Placing beehives behind a six foot privacy fence will keep the uneducated ignorant to their fear. Since bees tend to sting objects they can 'eyeball' the fence also provides a level of safety from the odd hive that doesn't cooperate. Planting a dense hedge of trees will provide a natural barrier and cause the bees to fly up & over heads and houses. Bees will fly higher & higher each year virtually eliminating the off chance of an encounter with bees. This past summer I took out a mammoth feral hive filling FOUR bee-vacuum boxes of bees (each holds approx 8 pounds - dry weight) torn from a 100-year 8-foot stump of a maple tree in Boulder, Colorado. The day I arrived to remove the hive a local preschool showed to watch the bees come and go. They were sad to see their 'Bee Tree' cut down having made their little outings year after year. The opening of that hive was right at chest level and faced the public sidewalk not two feet away. Neighbors commented how surprised they were the bees ignored passing traffic and stuck to their business each year. The closest neighbor put up a nice yellow warning sign "Bee Crossing". Unfortunately I got caught in traffic (for 2 1/2 hours) on the way home and most of the hive suffocated from the boxes so full of bees. As for keeping bees in close quarters, I kept fifteen hives in a downtown lot for over two years. The lot is surrounded by trees and buildings and no-one complained - that is until the carwash owner in back nosed into my lot and flipped out, after the leaves dropped. He called the local police, fire and humane society all in the same night. All three knew I kept bees because those departments call me every spring to collect swarms and handle bee troubles - so he had a tough time convincing them of any 'emergency'. Complaints breed action and I ended up moving those hives from the property 9 months later. If anyone wants pictures of the 'BeeTree" feral removal, e-mail me and I'd be happy to send a few provided they're not used for any commercial purpose. The city actually paid me to do the removal since the public was upset about losing their bees, making noise in the local paper. Pictures were taken by the department of public works. Also - thanks to all whom responded to my last post on dipping woodenware! Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO On Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:33:28 GMT, "George Styer" wrote: >First, I strongly disagree with the "out of sight, out of mind" or "don't >ask, don't tell" schools. You are not doing anything wrong, so why go about >it an a subversive manner. Nothing will piss your neighbors off more than >being deceived. You need to explain to your neighbors that you are going to Article 27868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Herb: Re: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 14:50:25 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <908drd$7ue$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8v8mr5$c3e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <67eS5.97039$65.953678@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> <901ack$hbi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.157 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Dec 01 14:50:25 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x71.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.157 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27868 In article , "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote: > Ah yes...Now you need to file a private suite for a recount. > What I'm going to sue the State of Florida about is the lottery. I didn't buy a Lotto ticket last week because I was busy watching the election fiasco. However it was my intent to buy a ticket, and it was my intent to select the numbers that turned out to be winners, therefore it is obvious that our State maliciously deprived me of winning millions of dollars. So I'm going to sue for what is rightfully mine!! LOL BTW the reason I wondered if there was anything wrong with eating beeswax is because I know propolis sucks mercury out of teeth fillings when it is chewed. I wasn't sure whether the wax does the same thing or not. sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8v8mr5$c3e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <67eS5.97039$65.953678@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> <901ack$hbi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <908drd$7ue$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Herb: Re: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:14:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 975690849 24.13.215.128 (Fri, 01 Dec 2000 09:14:09 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 09:14:09 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27869 That is interesting, I wasn't aware of the mercury problem...Is this due to resinous ion exchange? I do not think wax would pose the same problem because they are formed in very different manners and are made of entirely different substances. They aren't even similar. Propolis is gathered from trees and placed in the bee's pollen baskets. Wax is produced by glands in the abdomen of the worker bee and is a product of honey digestion. Scot wrote in message news:908drd$7ue$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article , > "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote: > > Ah yes...Now you need to file a private suite for a recount. > > > What I'm going to sue the State of Florida about is the lottery. > I didn't buy a Lotto ticket last week because I was busy watching the > election fiasco. However it was my intent to buy a ticket, and it was > my intent to select the numbers that turned out to be winners, > therefore it is obvious that our State maliciously deprived me of > winning millions of dollars. So I'm going to sue for what is rightfully > mine!! LOL > > BTW the reason I wondered if there was anything wrong with eating > beeswax is because I know propolis sucks mercury out of teeth fillings > when it is chewed. I wasn't sure whether the wax does the same thing or > not. > > sincerely, > Herb > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!207.207.0.26!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Labels Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:34:25 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-My05OnlIWWaEa7N16+86L+vqimdj84edc/u4cDVnnDnLYFNGHSqOEomI+6h5P8DTgRjq+fw3rxmPZoV!iQLZKLCK69Ny8nWtBpblImU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 00:34:25 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27870 Can anyone recommend a good source of labels for jars of honey? Thanks Article 27871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Dec 2000 04:24:22 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Subject: top bar hives (bought) Message-ID: <20001201232422.03073.00002977@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27871 Is there any commercial entity selling top bar hives. I was just wondering because it seems that if you want to go the top bar route you have to make the hive yourself. Thanks Al Article 27872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dipping Woodenware - Ideas on design? Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:46:27 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 42 Message-ID: <90bbm1$g29$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <9bg51tghm5buvmrtg5rheupqk0q4scooq8@4ax.com> <8vpgso$k76$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-23.lawrencium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 975778305 16457 62.136.71.23 (2 Dec 2000 17:31:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 2000 17:31:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27872 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" Subject: dipping woodenware > Peter, > Just a quick thanks on your post on the Bee-Newsgroup concerning > 'dipping woodenware'. At 310F it sounds like the wax was exeptionally > close to it's flash point. Did you wear face gear or have to watch for > dangerous splashes from moving boxes in & out? The potential for > splashing and the hot fire below has me a bit concerned on the project. > > Many beekeepers have written the boxes should be dipped for 20 minutes > to kill AFB. How long do you usually dip for, or were you treating any > suspected AFB? --------------------------------------------------------- Matthew I have the flash point at 388.4 and autoignition point at 473, so I think there is some latitude for safety and with the wax only occupying half the depth of the tank there is not as much air available to it. No mask - I just dipped carefully, rather like frying chips - not many cooks wear visors! I do wear specs though, so these would give some protection from minor splashes. I dipped until the moisture had boiled out of the wood - about a minute. We have virtually no AFB (last case in 1984 in an apiary that I bought - I had the boxes irradiated) so I was not concerned about this aspect. I believe that 10 mins at 320 is recommended for AFB although this seems to me to be excessive. Although I have no evidence to support this, I understand that foundation made from wax rendered from AFB infected colonies will not cause AFB, presumably because the spores are encased in wax; I would have expected the same to happen with dipping. Presumably there is a difference between viable spores that are freely available to the bees and those that are sealed in wax. I will copy this back to the newsgroup to see if anyone has more to add on this point. Article 27873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolus in car seat Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:50:16 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 23 Message-ID: <90bbm2$g29$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3A26B8AB.2539060E@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-23.lawrencium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 975778306 16457 62.136.71.23 (2 Dec 2000 17:31:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 2000 17:31:46 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27873 Start by freezing it and break away as much as you can. Methylated spirits will dissolve it - but may well cause it to spread and stain the cloth. Seat covers are the answer (isn't hindsight a wonderful thing!). "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message news:3A26B8AB.2539060E@nospam.boeing.com... > Group, > > Anyone have any good ideas as how to get propolis off of cloth car > seats? > > thanks, > > -- > Billy Y. Smart II > /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ > /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ > /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 27874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Labels Lines: 25 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 18:44:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.53.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 975782677 12.72.53.8 (Sat, 02 Dec 2000 18:44:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 18:44:37 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27874 I never really found any ready-made labels that I thought were attractive, so unless you want to go to the expense of having a label designed and printed professionally, I find that an inkjet printer and Avery 81/2 x 11 full sheet labels work well. It would be interesting to see some of the designs used by the group but sometimes people get rather vexed by binary posts on a NG. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Mark" wrote in message news:lsXV5.77437$DG3.1432528@news2.giganews.com... > Can anyone recommend a good source of labels for jars of honey? > > Thanks > > Article 27875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!hekyl.ab.tac.net!jekyl.ab.tac.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A29AE37.E1B560AD@3web.net> From: Eddie Vanderzeeuw Organization: http://www.3web.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,nl,de,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Straw poll: rec.crafts.meadmaking References: <79iU5.20057$pw2.2071295@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 21:21:46 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.197.173.171 X-Trace: jekyl.ab.tac.net 975810367 209.197.173.171 (Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:26:07 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:26:07 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.crafts.winemaking:65381 rec.crafts.brewing:246803 rec.food.historic:23512 rec.org.sca:310363 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27875 I would to. Eddie V. The Kerrs wrote: > I would use it. > > "Christopher Hadden" wrote in message > news:79iU5.20057$pw2.2071295@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net... > > The question of having a newsgroup dedicated to mead making has surfaced > on > > several occasions in rec.crafts.winemaking and rec.crafts.brewing. Before > > issuing a formal Request for Discussion (RFD), Shane and I would like to > > take an informal straw poll to see how much support there is for such a > > group across all applicable groups. Initial discussion in > > rec.crafts.brewing and rec.crafts.winemaking has been positive. > > > > Would you read or use a newsgroup devoted solely to mead making? Please > > e-mail your reply to Shane or myself. > > > > Regards, > > > > Christopher Hadden (chadden@contecrayon.com) > > Shane Hultquist (for_vidar@hotmail.com) > > > > Article 27876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!typhoon.sonic.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newsinternetskywayteltow!post.skyway.de!trimpas.omnitel.net!not-for-mail From: "Zaneta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sorry for off- topic. But it is really important for me? Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:32:31 +0200 Organization: Omnitel, Lithuania Lines: 134 Message-ID: <90e72l$8b6$12@news.omnitel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: eiguliai.euteka.lt X-Trace: news.omnitel.net 975871895 8550 212.47.107.65 (3 Dec 2000 19:31:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@omnitel.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:31:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27876 Sorry for off- topic. But it is really important for me… Dear Sirs, Please, do not regard this letter as a spam, because it is indeed of great importance and urgent. It is not a joke, nor a dishonest ask for money. It is a matter of life and death.... Please do not reject it and by this block the way to find our last hope. We hope for your understanding and good will. Please accept our kindness regards Zaneta and Andrius Dear people, Sorry for bothering you, but it’s really important to me. Hope always dies the last. That’s why I brought myself to address you for help. I am the only daughter in the family. I am nineteen. Although I am a first-year student of architecture specialty, I can’t study so far, as for already one year and half owing to the illness I am in Vilnius Santariskes University Hospital. My diagnosis is acute lymphoblastic leukemia; pre-B, 1st bone marrow and CNS relapse. The ALL pre-B, CALLA + was diagnosed in September 1998. As it is hard to understand all the medical description of my diagnosis, please find the exact characteristic in the end of my letter. I am treated with chemotherapy. After each course I feel extremely bad, as chemotherapy emaciates my young organism very much. Bone marrow transplantation with the help of donor is necessary to me by all means. Such operations when there is no donor and he can be a brother or sister are not performed in Lithuania. If such an operation is not performed to me, my life as doctors forecast may be over in three years. Operations of such character are performed in European countries. But a lot of means is necessary for that. Although my both parents are working, we will never be able physically to collect such a sum of money that may be necessary for performing the operation. (If anybody reading this letter could make a donation of even a little part (be it one dollar or so), I would be very grateful for your understanding and help. I beg you, don’t be indifferent to my disease, don’t take away from me the last hope to enjoy life, to see the spring sun not only through the hospital windows, some time if it will be destined to experience the most wonderful woman’s feeling – motherhood… As the proverb says:” alone you are nothing, together we are all…” You can find more information at: www.kalnieciai.lt/zr/ My diagnosis is acute lymphoblastic leukemia; pre-B, 1st bone marrow and CNS relapse. The ALL pre-B, CALLA + was diagnosed in September 1998. At diagnosis WBC 8.39 x 109/1, RBC 2.15 x 1012/1, HGB 75.4 g/l, PLT 81.8 x 109/1, blasts 78%; bone marrow biopsy: cariocytes 350 x 109/l, blasts 93 %, all myeloperoxidase negative; peripherial blood blast by flowcytometry: CD45+dim, CD19+, CD10+, CD34+, CD22+dim, CD13+dim, HLA-DR+. Respectfully yours Zaneta Rutkauskaite Ukmerges str. 23-52 KAUNAS LITHUANIA Phone: +370 7 720976 E-mail:zr@kalnieciai.lt Attending physician Dr. Laimonas Griskevicius Head of Department of Intensive Chemoterapy and Bone marrow Transplantation Dr. Igoris Trociukas Hematology Dept. Vilnius University Hospital Santariskiu klinikos Address: Santariskiu 2, Vilnius LT 2021, Lithuania Phone/fax: +370 2 365085 Bank account of Zaneta Rutkauskaite AB LIETUVOS TAUPOMASIS BANKAS If the transfer is performed in US Dollars: 1.Correspondent bank: Bankers Trust Company, New York SWIFT: BKTR US 33 2.Beneficiary’s bank: LITHUANIAN SAVINGS BANK, Vilnius SWIFT: TAUP LT 2X 3. Beneficiary’s account No. 60104/742745495 If the transfer is performed in Dutch guldens 1.Correspondent bank: ABN AMRO BANK NV AMSTERDAM SWIFT: ABNA NL 2A 2.Beneficiary’s bank: LITHUANIAN SAVINGS BANK, Vilnius SWIFT: TAUP LT 2X 3. Beneficiary’s account No. 60104/575745497 In German DM 1. Correspondent bank COMMERZBANK AG, FRANKFURT/ MAIN SWIFT: COBA DE FF BLZ 500/4000 2. Beneficiary’s bank: LITHUANIAN SAVINGS BANK, Vilnius SWIFT: TAUP LT 2X 3. Beneficiary’s account No. 60104/575745497 Article 27877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Dec 2000 05:06:22 GMT References: <158V5.62003$DG3.1191578@news2.giganews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Honey House Cleaning Message-ID: <20001203000622.22797.00003033@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27877 Same as you would clean your dishes soap and water, That is what I do. Article 27878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0343.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best West Texas Bees? Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 15:00:33 -0600 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <8CEQ5.14734$wW2.478156@news1.giganews.com> <18B4BFE326CAD6AF.85040575FFDF73E8.AA6A3A0890CC3A12@lp.airnews.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0343.nts-online.net (216.167.132.88) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 975877240 948399 216.167.132.88 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27878 >Any experience with All-Americans or Carniolans in this area? What kind of >bees do Buckfast turn into if you don't requeen? Mark, I didn't noticed you had pasted my message at the end of our 'query' about Carniolans. So I'll just say this. These two Doctors in Amarillo gave me two hives they had created in the spring of 1998, and they both did well in Amarillo that season. However it was the best season since the pleistocene and so you can't really judge your future outcome on that year. In fact if you were a 'realistic' beekeeper in these parts you would completely discount a year like that because it ain't coming around again in your lifetime. So.. The All Americans they had in one of their hives, did well, really well under those great conditions, but they died out quickly by December of V. mites. The Carniolans were also affected by mites but held out until the following spring, when I had to requeen them from a hive that's survived around here for 8 years. I've had no experience with All Americans excepting that one time but I've 'tried' to keep Carniolans here before. (34.94 N X 101.69 W) The problem with them is that they are too 'nice' and easy going to live here. The moths play hell on slack and weak hives in the fall even though I always reduce the entrances down to about two bees. If a cow dislodged a hive of Carniolans or knocked it over, they would never make the cow 'pay' for his crimes like you would expect from a hearty hive of Buckfast. Any cows coming around them would soon learn to keep a healthy distance. (Cows have a large expanse of nose, and large eyes) I personally look forward to the arrival of a variation on the tropical AHB. Less protective measures will be required by the beekeeper in these parts and that's fine with me. Carniolans are best suited for producing propolis in my experience. If you want to start a propolis farm, then they're the one's you need. You will have to give them a lot of extra care if they're out on their own. C.K. Article 27879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: gwongdung@aol.com (Gwongdung) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Dec 2000 05:35:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Hundreds of Dead Bees Message-ID: <20001203003510.08744.00002884@ng-fz1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27879 This is my first year beekeeping in the New York area. My bees made two deep supers of brood and a shallow super of honey, so I thought I was doing good at the end of the summer. I left all the honey for them and used apistan strips. I didn't feed them this fall (I presumed the honey they made would be enough) The problem -- I'm noticing lots of dead bees around my hive, probably several hundred. Is this just normal winter population loss, or a symptom of a more severe problem? Should I have fed them sugar water in the fall ? The only thing I've done so far is put in an entrance reducer. I know that opening the hive during winter is a big no-no, so do I just hope that things go alright until warmer temperatures return ? Article 27880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!clgrtnt3-port-195.dial.telus.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hundreds of Dead Bees Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 22:57:00 -0700 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <90cnc1$n20c$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <20001203003510.08744.00002884@ng-fz1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clgrtnt3-port-195.dial.telus.net (161.184.46.195) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 975823042 755724 161.184.46.195 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27880 If you have a balanced population of 35,000 bees which live -- say -- 100 days each, and if they die off at a steady rate, on any given day, you would expect to have 35,000 / 100 = 350 bees die each day. If they each live 200 days, then we expect 35,000 / 200 = 175 to die *on average* per day. Of course it is not that simple. Bees often do not die in or near the hive, and bees tend to die more on active days, but this shows that a lot of bees die under normal conditions. Whether your case is normal not is hard to determine over the net. Hope that this reassures you somewhat, though. If you are still worried, get a local beekeeper to look at them with you. allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > The problem -- I'm noticing lots of dead bees around my hive, probably several > hundred. Is this just normal winter population loss... Article 27881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hundreds of Dead Bees Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 00:28:54 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 34 Message-ID: <90f98h$4tp$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> References: <20001203003510.08744.00002884@ng-fz1.aol.com> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.41.51 X-Server-Date: 4 Dec 2000 05:14:57 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27881 I am also new to beekeeping this year. I live in Georgia, it is probable a little warmer here. I have noticed dead bees being carried out of the hive and sometimes the removing bee fly off some distance before landing with her load. On cold mornings they are left outside the hive. I presume that you will have to open the hive to remove the apistan strips after 50 days or so. I have also used apistan strips and have marked the calendar to remind me to remove the strips. David A. Gwongdung wrote in message news:20001203003510.08744.00002884@ng-fz1.aol.com... > This is my first year beekeeping in the New York area. My bees made two deep > supers of brood and a shallow super of honey, so I thought I was doing good at > the end of the summer. I left all the honey for them and used apistan strips. > I didn't feed them this fall (I presumed the honey they made would be enough) > > The problem -- I'm noticing lots of dead bees around my hive, probably several > hundred. Is this just normal winter population loss, or a symptom of a more > severe problem? Should I have fed them sugar water in the fall ? The only > thing I've done so far is put in an entrance reducer. I know that opening the > hive during winter is a big no-no, so do I just hope that things go alright > until warmer temperatures return ? Article 27882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!207.207.0.26!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!news.clear.net.nz!a001-m001-u67.napr.clear.net.nz From: "David Hills" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9bg51tghm5buvmrtg5rheupqk0q4scooq8@4ax.com> <8vpgso$k76$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <3A21C222.284B1724@midwest.net> <8vskk0$5m844$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Dipping Woodenware - Ideas on design? Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: a001-m001-u67.napr.clear.net.nz Message-ID: <3a2b5d0f@clear.net.nz> X-Original-Trace: 4 Dec 2000 21:59:59 +1200, a001-m001-u67.napr.clear.net.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 03:02:10 CST X-Trace: sv2-oMk9l7XvatHqiXV+2Rj27WTab0EvQEmUPde6+Knw6B+PfQt6O8d9BNusMu+10MxpL82iqklLUWPnqgP!mUGhYsAT3t1wf0UqDqOLSL0Q X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:02:14 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27882 http://www.nba.org.nz/pms/manual/man08.htm This site will take you to the relevant chapter of the New Zealand online manual David Hills "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:8vskk0$5m844$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > What size/shape tank are your using? > > I think the Auzzies or the Kiwis use a tank that is like a tunnel. The > tunnel is designed so that the beginning area is shallow, the middle portion > is below the surface of the wax, and the far end rises up again. They heat > the middle with a torch. Boxes are pushed into one end and each one shoves > the next one along a bit. As the boxes travel along the tunnel, they are > submerged for a while, then rise out of the wax and drain before being > pulled out and stacked. > > Apparently, at the moment of emerging, latex paint will bond well. > > Maybe the NZ ministry has a publication on this. Seems to me I have a copy > somewhere. It'd be 20 years old, tho'. > > allen > > Article 27883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hundreds of Dead Bees Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 11:57:08 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3a2a349c.515433203@news1.radix.net> References: <20001203003510.08744.00002884@ng-fz1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27883 On 03 Dec 2000 05:35:10 GMT, gwongdung@aol.com (Gwongdung) wrote: >This is my first year beekeeping in the New York area. My bees made two deep >supers of brood and a shallow super of honey, so I thought I was doing good at >the end of the summer. I left all the honey for them and used apistan strips. >I didn't feed them this fall (I presumed the honey they made would be enough) > >The problem -- I'm noticing lots of dead bees around my hive, probably several >hundred. Is this just normal winter population loss, or a symptom of a more >severe problem? Should I have fed them sugar water in the fall ? The only >thing I've done so far is put in an entrance reducer. I know that opening the >hive during winter is a big no-no, so do I just hope that things go alright >until warmer temperatures return ? Pop off the cover and take a peek, you won't hurt them. The air inside the hive around the cluter is the same temperature as outside the hive. beekeep PS They probably won't like it though and if warm enough they will let you know. Article 27884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A2BB592.FBE96F04@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hives (bought) References: <20001201232422.03073.00002977@ng-fx1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:17:38 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.156 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 975943033 209.248.4.156 (Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:17:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:17:13 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27884 Kendal Smucker wrote: > > I am not aware of any reputable bee hive manufacturers selling top bar > hives. In Ohio (where I live) they are essentially illegal because of the > requirement that bee hives must be inspectable. I'm curious. What features of a TBH *prevent* inspection? AL Article 27885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cletus.bright.net!not-for-mail From: "Kendal Smucker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001201232422.03073.00002977@ng-fx1.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bar hives (bought) Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:48:13 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.143.41.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bright.net X-Trace: cletus.bright.net 975941268 209.143.41.11 (Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:47:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:47:48 EST Organization: bright.net Ohio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27885 I am not aware of any reputable bee hive manufacturers selling top bar hives. In Ohio (where I live) they are essentially illegal because of the requirement that bee hives must be inspectable. As a county honeybee inspector I did come across two top bar hives that were homemade for a gal whose father did custom cabinetry work. And fine pieces of work they were. After explaining the biological and apicultural disadvantages she opted out and obtained conventional hives. If you live in an area where you never, never, never, under any circumstance, never, need to inspect your bees for any reason or use any kind of medication, then you might succeed on a limited scale with tb hives. But you are still going against the bees' natural tendency to store upward, not laterally, and you lose the natural convection currents and force the bees to devote extra resources to air circulation. Rousseau was wrong, Langstroth was right. Jajwuth wrote in message news:20001201232422.03073.00002977@ng-fx1.aol.com... > Is there any commercial entity selling top bar hives. I was just wondering > because it seems that if you want to go the top bar route you have to make the > hive yourself. > Thanks > Al Article 27886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hundreds of Dead Bees Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:01:05 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A2A6031.2F9E199@kingston.net> Reply-To: beemann@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20001203003510.08744.00002884@ng-fz1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27886 Sorry but there needs to be a little more information. Did you just notice the several hundred dead bees in the last week? There are always some dead bees around the hive in the winter as Allen pointed out. Your description of several hundred lends a picture of large masses of dead bees clogging the entrance. Are they worker bees? Are they the larger drones? Are they mature bees or bees they have removed from a cell? How heavy is the hive? You seem to say they only have a shallow of honey. There is nothing wrong with removing the inner cover and peeking down the frames (as Beekeep said). I use a flash light. What you don't want to do is start removing frames or boxes where the bees a clustered. But with every "don't" there is a "do". I had one hive last year that starved while clustered around a large brood pattern. They had consumed the honey all around them but they couldn't reach the remaining honey. I'm assuming that this happened because of the warm beginning to the winter last year which turned cold quickly. If I could have got to the hive I would have moved some frames of food closer to the cluster. Kent Stienburg Article 27887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Dec 2000 18:31:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Yellow Jackets Message-ID: <20001204133128.20821.00000683@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27887 We had a few mornings here as low as 17 degrees F Today it is up to about 35 F and I am seeing a few yellow jackets at the hive entrances. Live ones. All in all with the late frost the wasps were a real pain in the last abdominal segment but this is too much. Tom Article 27888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hives (bought) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 18:45:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <90gool$ce5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20001201232422.03073.00002977@ng-fx1.aol.com> <3A2BB592.FBE96F04@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.25 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Dec 04 18:45:43 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.25 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27888 In article <3A2BB592.FBE96F04@midwest.net>, AL wrote: > Kendal Smucker wrote: > > > > I am not aware of any reputable bee hive manufacturers selling top bar > > hives. In Ohio (where I live) they are essentially illegal because of the > > requirement that bee hives must be inspectable. > > I'm curious. What features of a TBH *prevent* inspection? > > AL > I'm curious too, Al. I made a TBH a couple of years ago from plans found on the internet and had no problems inspecting it. In fact it was better because only one "frame" was exposed at a time so the bees on the other "frames" could go on about their business. Kendal must be talking about a different design. Sincerely, Herb in NW Florida (Central Time Zone - hundreds of miles from Palm Beach), USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey House Cleaning Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 19:21:51 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <90gqs6$eai$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <158V5.62003$DG3.1191578@news2.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Dec 04 19:21:51 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; EDS COE v2000.2) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27889 In article <158V5.62003$DG3.1191578@news2.giganews.com>, "Mark" wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I'm in the process of building a honey house with the usual equipment; > extractor, uncapper, various tanks, and a bottler. My question is..., how > do you clean the equipment, tanks, etc... and keep the Health Dept. happy. > The one around here (west Texas) wants everything cleaned with 171 degree > hot water. Are there other ways other than extremely hot water? > > Thanks for your help. > Mark Contact your local home brewing shop. Not sure of the economics for your situation, but homebrewers have a variety of no-rinse, low temperature sanitizers available to them. HTH... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Labels Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <9ITW5.45942$nh5.3310979@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 21:07:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.20.63.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 975964037 63.20.63.123 (Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:07:17 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:07:17 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27890 Dear Mark, I have to agree with George. Avery does have quite a selection of size, etc. In fact, They even have a "round" label # 8293 - that you can use in Word. If you have any problem doing them, Avery has a toll free number and they are very nice and will "walk you through" the process of creating your label! I use them all the time! Take care, Lucy www.ohiohoney.com "Mark" wrote in message news:lsXV5.77437$DG3.1432528@news2.giganews.com... > Can anyone recommend a good source of labels for jars of honey? > > Thanks > > > Article 27891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3A26B8AB.2539060E@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Re: propolus in car seat Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 21:07:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.20.63.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 975964078 63.20.63.123 (Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:07:58 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:07:58 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27891 I agree that Ice is the best method. Lucy www.ohiohoney.com "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message news:3A26B8AB.2539060E@nospam.boeing.com... > Group, > > Anyone have any good ideas as how to get propolis off of cloth car > seats? > > thanks, > > -- > Billy Y. Smart II > /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ > /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ > /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ > Article 27892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8v8mr5$c3e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <67eS5.97039$65.953678@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Subject: Re: Re: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 21:09:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.20.63.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 975964182 63.20.63.123 (Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:09:42 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:09:42 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27892 Hi Scot! I'm in Ohio! O-HI-O Honey www.ohiohoney.com ;-) "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote in message news:67eS5.97039$65.953678@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com... > Herb, > Where do you live? I live in Sarasota. > > -- > -Scot Mc Pherson > -Ummm....Just Scot > > > > > wrote in message news:8v8mr5$c3e$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > In article , > > "Lucy" wrote: > > > Hi! I was reading athe previous thread about Marketing Comb Honey, > > and > > > mention was made that young folks don't know the way to eat it....so > > I ask > > > you.... > > > Just what is the proper way to eat comb honey? Thank you! > > > > > > Lucy > > > > > Dear Lucy, > > > > I've never heard that there is a proper way to eat comb honey, at > > least until Beekeep said to use a hive tool. I doubt that because if we > > are going to market comb honey, what are we going to do? Sell a hive > > tool with each jar? > > > > Eat it like you do fried chicken. Some people pick it up and eat > > it and others use a fork. Which is proper? Either one. > > > > Whether you should swallow the wax from comb honey or spit it out > > is debatable and also seems to be a personal choice. Even if the wax > > is bad for us, I doubt that anyone would ever eat enough to cause any > > health problem. - except maybe in Florida where we have election > > dysfunction. :-) > > > > Sincerely, > > Herb NW Florida, USA > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > Article 27893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: anatomy, physiology, function Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 07:59:47 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <90e4p0$mct$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p55.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 975869536 22941 203.96.192.55 (3 Dec 2000 18:52:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Dec 2000 18:52:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27893 Greetings all I am wondering if anyone here know of any good scientific entymological type websites that deal specifically with information about the anatomy and physiology of bees. Help appreciated regards carman Article 27894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A2C4899.AAF5B17C@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Labels References: <9ITW5.45942$nh5.3310979@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 X-Trace: /ba9QYd2TPdxzhxkmNUGV9Ezlyyd8yIYvAvqeZF2ohVhAl9QhvaOYR3pVk126SdXu/XyA+VR0rfk!Jt0ixdI1t6GRiuiUmaGetSF5IxRzqIT4KeSMhQoBQM4vXzms/1XT5clXVRx2Tg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 01:43:27 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 01:43:27 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27894 Good luck in finding a label. I'm a small hobby beekeeper and I just got a quote on 4 different professional lables. I about fell off the chair. It was a little more than the pocketbook could take. I've decided to make my own but using Microsoft works and using the gift tag wizard. It makes a nice lable that you can tie around the lid with a ribbon. Chad Hog Creek Honey Lucy wrote: > Dear Mark, > I have to agree with George. > Avery does have quite a selection of size, etc. In fact, They even have a > "round" label # 8293 - that you can use in Word. If you have any problem > doing them, Avery has a toll free number and they are very nice and will > "walk you through" the process of creating your label! > I use them all the time! > Take care, > Lucy > www.ohiohoney.com > > "Mark" wrote in message > news:lsXV5.77437$DG3.1432528@news2.giganews.com... > > Can anyone recommend a good source of labels for jars of honey? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Article 27895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-2.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Labels Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:07:43 -0700 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <90hima$179fq$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <9ITW5.45942$nh5.3310979@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3A2C4899.AAF5B17C@gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-2.internode.net (198.161.229.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 975982091 1287674 198.161.229.178 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27895 > Good luck in finding a label. I'm a small hobby beekeeper and I just got a > quote on 4 different professional labels. I about fell off the chair. It was a > little more than the pocketbook could take. I've decided to make my own but > using Microsoft works and using the gift tag wizard. It makes a nice label > that you can tie around the lid with a ribbon. I was wondering... I make mead labels and glue them onto bottles with a glue stick, but I've found all the printer inks I've found are water based and run if the label gets wet. What can be done? Spray them with a fixative? alle Article 27896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A2C4A44.B7D472@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup?? References: <4E3A8557B1A2B450.0DC352BE26A8C9A1.BCF6AFE678599182@lp.airnews.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 X-Trace: /ba9QYd2TPdxt3nd2di8WvF5kP2uIWuOxIdTrILZd3Rm2vzQRJn64A4Cz1cO+ERQA0VTvyyRoIZK!7v6sqfNePG8ot3gS+5nd3eyc0Git9LYc6g7midB+YSowMkwt6rM6l28aGD4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 01:50:33 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 01:50:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27896 Get yourself an old kitchen scale and measure it out in weight. Spring 5lb of sugar and 5 lb of water, fall 5lb of sugar and 2-1/2 water. Jim Sharp wrote: > After some really poor management decisions, I'm faced > with feeding my couple hives through our short Texas > winter. > > I'm having such a tough time making syrup. I know it's > 1:1 for spring stimulative feeding and 2:1 for heavy fall > feeding, but I confused by "volume" term. I get sugar > by the pound and water by the gallon... ? > > I have five gallon container. How many pounds of sugar > do I use to make 5-gallons of heavy syrup? I tried 50 llbs > and that made some heavy syrup, but I had about a foot > of solid sugar in the bottom that fell out of solution. > > I'm guessing water in first then pour the sugar in and stir? > Or the other way around? I've been using hot water. > > Just for the record - how many pounds of sugar to make > 5 gallons of 1:1 syrup? > > Ya think this would be simple! > Thanks > Jim > Dallas, TX USA Article 27897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Labels Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:48:08 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 16 Message-ID: <90hr61$6m8$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> References: <9ITW5.45942$nh5.3310979@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3A2C4899.AAF5B17C@gte.net> <90hima$179fq$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.17.b0 X-Server-Date: 5 Dec 2000 04:33:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27897 I spray photos printed on ink jet printers with spray lacquer or polyurethane, it works well on photos. David A. > I was wondering... I make mead labels and glue them onto bottles with a > glue stick, but I've found all the printer inks I've found are water based > and run if the label gets wet. > > What can be done? Spray them with a fixative? > > alle > > Article 27898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A2B8807.D038DEA6@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hundreds of Dead Bees References: <20001203003510.08744.00002884@ng-fz1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 07:03:19 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.244 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 975931203 206.231.24.244 (Mon, 04 Dec 2000 07:00:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 07:00:03 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27898 A friend from northern Maine called me the other day. He thinks he is seeing bee kill from cumophos strips. He believes cold weather use of Check-mite strips may be killing some colonies. I told him I hadn't seen that, but I am noticing something odd. I winter in two deeps and a mediun super. Due to a lack of help this year I'm way late pulling my strips, and packing my bees. So, I'm opening brood nests mid to late November. I've never had to do this sort of thing before, so maybe this is the norm. Colonies that made a good crop, packed with honey into the bottom box, with small clusters in the bottom box. Strong colonies are usually well up into the middle box at this time of the year. I'm chalking it up to late swarming. We had a hell of a strong goldenrod flow this year. And from northern New York I,ve had a well respected keeper tell me his bees have been dying, most of the summer. Says he can't find Varroa mites, but the colonies are dead after making good crops. Is anyone else seeing anything "unusual" this year? Gwongdung wrote: > The problem -- I'm noticing lots of dead bees around my hive, probably several > hundred. Is this just normal winter population loss, or a symptom of a more > severe problem? Article 27899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 Dec 2000 12:19:57 GMT References: <3A2C4A44.B7D472@gte.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup?? Message-ID: <20001205071957.22207.00003260@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27899 50 lbs of sugar would use 3 gallons of water to make heavy syrup. Tom Article 27900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3A2C4A44.B7D472@gte.net> <20001205071957.22207.00003260@ng-da1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup?? Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:42:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 976023735 24.13.215.128 (Tue, 05 Dec 2000 05:42:15 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 05:42:15 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27900 ????????? BeeCrofter wrote in message news:20001205071957.22207.00003260@ng-da1.aol.com... > 50 lbs of sugar would use 3 gallons of water to make heavy syrup. > > > Tom > > > > Article 27901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ne.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A2CFB0F.E17FBEE4@yahoo.com> From: "Rev. Mike Martin" Organization: Crescent Moon Computers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hives (bought) References: <20001201232422.03073.00002977@ng-fx1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:27:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.22.131.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ne.home.com 976026425 24.22.131.116 (Tue, 05 Dec 2000 06:27:05 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 06:27:05 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27901 Kendal Smucker wrote: > > I am not aware of any reputable bee hive manufacturers selling top bar Yes, there is one.. in Colorado somewhere I believe. I don't have the address anymore however. Do a search on yahoo or your favorite search engine and see if it turns up. > hives. In Ohio (where I live) they are essentially illegal because of the > requirement that bee hives must be inspectable. As a county honeybee Excuse me? What's to stop you from taking the top off the hive and lifting the comb out to inspect it? TBH's are legal, I have two (though I live in Missouri) and I've had no trouble whatsoever inspecting them. > kind of medication, then you might succeed on a limited scale with tb hives. I pulled more comb honey from my TBH's than my Langstroths, and finer quality wax too. > But you are still going against the bees' natural tendency to store upward, > not laterally, and you lose the natural convection currents and force the > bees to devote extra resources to air circulation. Rousseau was wrong, > Langstroth was right. One opinion... I suppose everyone has them. Mike -- Lord Hrothgar the Smith Rev. Mike Martin Visne crisere? Iam non aeger sum http://members.home.net/mmartin139 http://setiathome.ssl.berkely.edu/ [95WU/2203hrs] Article 27902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rob Morgan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9ITW5.45942$nh5.3310979@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3A2C4899.AAF5B17C@gte.net> <90hima$179fq$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Labels Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:54:30 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.57.90.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 976027958 209.57.90.110 (Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:52:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:52:38 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27902 Hey Allen: I've noticed the same problem. I now print out the label on the best printer that I can find and then photocopy it. Kinkos, or some place like that, usually have high quality photocopy machines so that you have a minimal loss of resolution. With a reasonable amount of care you can get them on the jar without smearing from the glue and they can be submersed in water without the ink running. I also use a glue stick but have found that slightly watered Elmer's and a small brush works well and is much cheaper. Seems to take about the same amount of time. I'm still trying to figure out a way to speed up this process. Cheers, Rob Allen Dick wrote in message news:90hima$179fq$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > Good luck in finding a label. I'm a small hobby beekeeper and I just got a > > quote on 4 different professional labels. I about fell off the chair. It > was a > > little more than the pocketbook could take. I've decided to make my own > but > > using Microsoft works and using the gift tag wizard. It makes a nice label > > that you can tie around the lid with a ribbon. > > I was wondering... I make mead labels and glue them onto bottles with a > glue stick, but I've found all the printer inks I've found are water based > and run if the label gets wet. > > What can be done? Spray them with a fixative? > > alle > > Article 27903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 Dec 2000 17:29:51 GMT References: <3A2CFB0F.E17FBEE4@yahoo.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: top bar hives (bought) Message-ID: <20001205122951.24698.00003317@nso-ft.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27903 In article <3A2CFB0F.E17FBEE4@yahoo.com>, "Rev. Mike Martin" writes: > In Ohio (where I live) they are essentially illegal because of the >> requirement that bee hives must be inspectable. As a county honeybee > I reviewed the inspection laws of all states about 20 years ago, and I remember one state that required "Langstroth" hive boxes, and at that time I figured it wouldn't take a lawyer long to argue that one for a nice fee. Most required movable frame hives, and the TBH would qualify under that definition. Article 27904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AFB the Danish way Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:29:35 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 20 Message-ID: <90jisr$n7$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip36.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 976047835 743 195.249.242.36 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27904 I have started to translate the way AFB is handled in Denmark and more European countries. We are not using TM but are using a pure beekeeping technical way of handling AFB. You will find the translation on my Url. Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 20-09-2000 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!ams.uu.net!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: search4science Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:54:45 +0100 Organization: search4science Lines: 13 Message-ID: <90jner$ssp$1@ns2.kvalito.no> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: 071.dialup.kvalito.no X-Trace: ns2.kvalito.no 976052507 29593 194.29.201.71 (5 Dec 2000 21:41:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@kvalito.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 2000 21:41:47 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27905 BRAINS WITHOUT BORDERS - your no. 1 entry point to the world of science. http://www.search4science.com We invite you to take a look at this great new Gateway to the online world of science. 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Egelie http://www.search4science.com Article 27906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A2E15D6.1C0A7E5A@interact.net.au> From: Barry Metz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lavender Honey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:32:56 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.215.13.140 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 976098825 210.215.13.140 (Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:33:45 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:33:45 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:33:45 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27906 I am trying to locate someone who has recently published research on the economics of Lavender Honey production. Thank You Article 27907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Labels Date: 6 Dec 2000 14:00:37 GMT Lines: 30 Message-ID: <90lgq5$c24$0@63.68.71.169> References: <9ITW5.45942$nh5.3310979@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3A2C4899.AAF5B17C@gte.net> <90hima$179fq$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.68.71.169 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27907 On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:07:43 -0700, "Allen Dick" wrote: >> Good luck in finding a label. I'm a small hobby beekeeper and I just got a >> quote on 4 different professional labels. I about fell off the chair. It >was a >> little more than the pocketbook could take. I've decided to make my own >but >> using Microsoft works and using the gift tag wizard. It makes a nice label >> that you can tie around the lid with a ribbon. > >I was wondering... I make mead labels and glue them onto bottles with a >glue stick, but I've found all the printer inks I've found are water based >and run if the label gets wet. > >What can be done? Spray them with a fixative? > >alle There use to be an "ALPS" printer that had pretty impressive color output, though it was quite slow, and the quality of inkjets has gotten better since. It used a wax transfer process (solid ink) that was not water based. I don't know if it's available anymore. Color laser does better, but the printers are expensive. You might be able to find someone to print them for you. My wife's office has one and they are allowed to use it (but are charged per page, something like 0.45 per page) -Tim Article 27908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!pool-63.50.172.174.dnvr.grid.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help Me Correct New York Times Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 13:28:04 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 23 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.32.ac.ae X-Server-Date: 6 Dec 2000 20:17:45 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27908 In an article in The New York Times Magazine for Sunday, December 3, 2000, a writer makes the following assertion about a scene he's witnessed of the decaying body of a murdered woman: "Honeybees swarm her mouth and nostrils, searching for the eggs that blowflies like to lay in the body's dark cavities." This doesn't seem accurate at all. Why would honeybees search for blowfly eggs? Is he probably confusing honeybees with another bees, with a yellow jacket, perhaps? Please provide sound backup for your answer, and/or a contact in the entomology world, as I want to write a letter to the editor correcting what seems to me to be a stupid mistake. Thanks in advance. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 27909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: fermented_blood@my-deja.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.chaldean,alt.solar Subject: SEA LICE INVADE BERING SEA Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:08:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <90ojmp$p2h$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A27AA6B.857434C@nconnect.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.143.236.110 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 07 18:08:32 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.143.236.110 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDfermented_blood Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.alien.visitors:329510 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27909 soc.culture.chaldean:18 alt.solar:75 RE: http://www.irysec.vic.edu.au/sci/goneill/muttonbird.htm Sea lice, which are really nematodes [mites], whirligig wormies, some smaller than nano tech elements or fungi spores, living in the thermal vents of volcanoes, are flushing out into the Bering Sea and killing off marine mammal life and good tasting oily fish life in huge huge numbers [holocaustic!]. Also see http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html http://www.univaq.it/~sc_amb/copepod.html F.B. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!news.kdt.de!news.klaus-datentechnik.de!not-for-mail From: Brigitta Roulands Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bilder von Bienenkrankheiten Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:41:24 +0100 Organization: KDT and customers Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3A2F3F24.DEB55EE1@vz-nrw.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.243.21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.kdt.de 976174888 25142 195.8.243.21 (7 Dec 2000 07:41:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@kdt.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Dec 2000 07:41:28 GMT To: "Koch, Harald" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: de Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27910 hallo Schatz, http://www.kohala.net/bees/index.html#anchor400987 Schau Dir das mal an Einen dicken Kuss Brigitta -- Verbraucher-Zentrale NRW Mintropstraße 27 40215 Düsseldorf Tel.: 0211/3809-0 Fax: 0211/3809-172 Article 27911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queen rearing kits Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:54:28 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 14 Message-ID: <90o3uu$t68$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.9.64 X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 976196382 29896 209.23.9.64 (7 Dec 2000 13:39:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Dec 2000 13:39:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27911 Planning on starting rearing queens again this year. I have had a little experience rearing my own queens. Can members of the group tell of their experiences with queen rearing kits( tell witch one)? Tell advantages or disadvantages? Do you still use these kits or have you decided to just graft? I plan on rearing 100 - 300 queens a year. This will be integrated with over wintering nucs to replace winter loss or for sale. Also can someone tell me their preference of cell starters swarm box or free flying cell starter. Why? Also wanted good carniolan stock( not NWC). Thanks in advance. Clayton Huestis Crown Point, NY Article 27912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!ldn-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!telenews.teleline.es!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A2F5CD1.57A2115E@islapro.com> From: islapro Reply-To: islapro@islapro.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,es,en-US,tr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey References: <3A2E15D6.1C0A7E5A@interact.net.au> <3A2E7A55.F22BFCBD@islapro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:52:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.224 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@company.com X-Trace: telenews.teleline.es 976182727 212.166.159.224 (Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:52:07 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:52:07 MET Organization: Typhoon Authentication Testing Club Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27912 I have not published the results, but here goes: 2 Acres of Lavandula dentata and Lavandula angustifolia (50-50). Flowering time 45 days, in my latitude. 14 Hives, of about 60.000 creatures each in excellent health, were capable of obtaining 4 Lbs. (1 1/2 Kilo) of honey per day per hive. When farming the Lavandula the have to wait for the full 45 days, to the farmer does not make a difference but to yes since can forage the full bloom. The majority of times one single flower-shoot is enough for a trip, no need to peck on different flowers. Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain. Jose Matas. Article 27913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.chaldean,alt.solar Subject: Re: SEA LICE INVADE BERING SEA Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 22:54:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3a3014fb.123172628@news1.radix.net> References: <3A27AA6B.857434C@nconnect.net> <90ojmp$p2h$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p44.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.alien.visitors:329535 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27913 soc.culture.chaldean:19 alt.solar:76 On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:08:32 GMT, fermented_blood@my-deja.com wrote: >RE: http://www.irysec.vic.edu.au/sci/goneill/muttonbird.htm > >Sea lice, which are really nematodes [mites], whirligig wormies, some >smaller than nano tech elements or fungi spores, living in the thermal >vents of volcanoes, are flushing out into the Bering Sea and killing >off marine mammal life and good tasting oily fish life in huge huge >numbers [holocaustic!]. > >Also see > >http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html >http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html >http://www.univaq.it/~sc_amb/copepod.html > >F.B. So what do you want us beekeepers to do? Send our used apistan strips over so you can throw them in the sea? beekeep Article 27914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!typhoon.mn.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Hadden" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OT: rec.crafts.meadmaking Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 21:38:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.163.160.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.mn.mediaone.net 976225110 24.163.160.238 (Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:38:30 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:38:30 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.crafts.winemaking:65608 rec.crafts.brewing:247254 rec.food.historic:23596 rec.org.sca:310554 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27914 The results of the straw poll are in. The straw poll was taken during the week after Thanksgiving. The poll asked whether the respondent would read or use a group devoted to meadmaking; the result was 42 YES and 3 NO. Because Usenet traffic decreases over the holidays, Shane and I have decided to wait a month to issue the Request For Discussion (RFD) for rec.crafts.meadmaking. The Usenet volunteer who has been assisting us agrees. We want to make sure everyone has the chance to participate in the RFD process and if it comes to a vote, we don't want it to happen in the middle of the holiday. Regards, Christopher Hadden Shane Hultquist Article 27915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Labels Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:13:50 -0500 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3A2FE16E.9B309D00@bms.com> References: <9ITW5.45942$nh5.3310979@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3A2C4899.AAF5B17C@gte.net> <90hima$179fq$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <90lgq5$c24$0@63.68.71.169> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@a049508.syr.pgr.bms.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27915 you can also spray labels with lacquer. This will keep the waterbed inks from running and smearing when they get wet. Tim Arheit wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:07:43 -0700, "Allen Dick" > wrote: > > >> Good luck in finding a label. I'm a small hobby beekeeper and I just got a > >> quote on 4 different professional labels. I about fell off the chair. It > >was a > >> little more than the pocketbook could take. I've decided to make my own > >but > >> using Microsoft works and using the gift tag wizard. It makes a nice label > >> that you can tie around the lid with a ribbon. > > > >I was wondering... I make mead labels and glue them onto bottles with a > >glue stick, but I've found all the printer inks I've found are water based > >and run if the label gets wet. > > > >What can be done? Spray them with a fixative? > > > >alle > > There use to be an "ALPS" printer that had pretty impressive color > output, though it was quite slow, and the quality of inkjets has > gotten better since. It used a wax transfer process (solid ink) that > was not water based. I don't know if it's available anymore. > > Color laser does better, but the printers are expensive. You might be > able to find someone to print them for you. My wife's office has one > and they are allowed to use it (but are charged per page, something > like 0.45 per page) > > -Tim Article 27916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A30276A.1054DE03@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.chaldean,alt.solar Subject: Re: SEA LICE INVADE BERING SEA References: <3A27AA6B.857434C@nconnect.net> <90ojmp$p2h$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a3014fb.123172628@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 X-Trace: /K+neRurmwPkWV2XI2Ac7w0M82Wqal81qHcwe0iV6w7m0WDYGUEJkxca8msOxMFJ2Tplr5+XxZDY!PBRdpCqT3FXQVXmFArkGB+0lHJpEtZtO2OsK78h4r2/gLg5L3YAsy8/apanyxw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 00:10:55 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 00:10:55 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.alien.visitors:329539 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27916 soc.culture.chaldean:20 alt.solar:77 Thats pretty funny beekeep. beekeep wrote: > On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:08:32 GMT, fermented_blood@my-deja.com wrote: > > >RE: http://www.irysec.vic.edu.au/sci/goneill/muttonbird.htm > > > >Sea lice, which are really nematodes [mites], whirligig wormies, some > >smaller than nano tech elements or fungi spores, living in the thermal > >vents of volcanoes, are flushing out into the Bering Sea and killing > >off marine mammal life and good tasting oily fish life in huge huge > >numbers [holocaustic!]. > > > >Also see > > > >http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html > >http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html > >http://www.univaq.it/~sc_amb/copepod.html > > > >F.B. > So what do you want us beekeepers to do? Send our used apistan strips > over so you can throw them in the sea? > > beekeep Article 27917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A303922.863045E8@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SEA LICE INVADE BERING SEA References: <3A27AA6B.857434C@nconnect.net> <90ojmp$p2h$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 19:28:02 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 976238785 208.235.28.65 (Thu, 07 Dec 2000 20:26:25 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 20:26:25 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27917 fermented_blood@my-deja.com wrote: > > Sea lice, which are really nematodes [mites], whirligig wormies, some > smaller than nano tech elements or fungi spores, living in the thermal > vents of volcanoes, are flushing out into the Bering Sea and killing > off marine mammal life and good tasting oily fish life in huge huge > numbers [holocaustic!]. Wow! Puts that varroa thing in perspective huh? AL Article 27918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A30CB7C.36F9C55E@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen rearing kits References: <90o3uu$t68$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 06:52:28 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 976276140 206.231.24.217 (Fri, 08 Dec 2000 06:49:00 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 06:49:00 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27918 Queen rearing kits are a waste. Grafting is just too easy. I found the best grafting tool is the cheap Chinese one. Push the tip down the side wall of the cell. It curves under the puddle of royal jelly, and scoops up the larvae. You don't even have to see the larvae to pick it up. I like free flying cell starter\ finisher. You don't need any extra equipment, and the colony can be placed back into honey production after about 3 weeks rearing queen cells. huestis wrote: > Planning on starting rearing queens again this year. I have had a little > experience rearing my own queens. Can members of the group tell of their > experiences with queen rearing kits( tell witch one)? Tell advantages or > disadvantages? Do you still use these kits or have you decided to just > graft? I plan on rearing 100 - 300 queens a year. This will be integrated > with over wintering nucs to replace winter loss or for sale. Also can > someone tell me their preference of cell starters swarm box or free flying > cell starter. Why? Also wanted good carniolan stock( not NWC). Thanks in > advance. > > Clayton Huestis > Crown Point, NY Article 27919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help Me Correct New York Times Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:36:12 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27919 this topic came up on the bee-list a while back...see nature science update 24 may 2000 at: http://helix.nature.com/nsu/000525/000525-7.html Out of the strong came forth sweetness by HENRY GEE: "The mimicry between droneflies and honeybees has been fooling humans for over 2000 years,"...also see Conrad Berube's "THE BEE-RIDDLED CARCASS" for even more detailed discussion on this at: http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/beestars.htm enjoy and good luck with the ny times! Article 27920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: cetaceandragon@my-deja.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.chaldean,alt.solar Subject: Re: SEA LICE INVADE BERING SEA Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:33:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 104 Message-ID: <90r9h9$th9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A27AA6B.857434C@nconnect.net> <90ojmp$p2h$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a3014fb.123172628@news1.radix.net> <3A30276A.1054DE03@gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.52.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Dec 08 18:33:12 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90; AT&T CSM6.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 12.79.52.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDcetaceandragon Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.alien.visitors:329629 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27920 soc.culture.chaldean:21 alt.solar:78 In article <3A30276A.1054DE03@gte.net>, Chad Howell wrote: > Thats pretty funny beekeep. > > beekeep wrote: > > > On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:08:32 GMT, fermented_blood@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > >RE: http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html http://www.irysec.vic.edu.au/sci/goneill/muttonbird.htm > > > > > >Sea lice, which are really nematodes [mites], whirligig wormies, some smaller than nano tech elements or fungi spores, living in the thermal vents of volcanoes, are flushing out into the Bering Sea and killing off marine mammal life and good tasting oily fish life in huge huge numbers [holocaustic!]. > > > > > >Also see > > > > > >http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html > > >http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html > > >http://www.univaq.it/~sc_amb/copepod.html COPEPODES (e.g. sea lice, silk worms, cochinilla cochineal mites, varroa mites ... almost all cocooning and silk-spinning worms, lice, and mites, both visible and non-visible whirligigs] -->> seem to be at WAR with the HYMENOPTERA [fig wasps, ants, flying ants, and in some related fashion, rats, bats, and especially the Naked Mole Rat, that has a Colony of specialized drone workers, and a QUEEN!] Another interesting disease that follows fig groves is the FIG ENDOSEPSIS, which is caused by a FUNGUS that is carried by WASPS. The "Blastophaga psenes" wasp carries the "Fusarium moniliforme" fungus parasite. One theorist suggests that the wasps impregnate the still green figs with a single egg, thinking it is a customary living prey- host organism, in which it routinely injects its egg that lies dormant on the inside of the host until thousands of young are born, who then eat their way out of the living host. The fungus parasite above somehow gets a piggy back ride through this performance, it is suspected. It is a very ugly and nasty war ... here below are some of the stats! Don't feel sorry for EITHER of the sides though. Individually, and TOGETHER, these nematodes and hairy legged fliers PLAGUE humanity and have been the COLLAPSE of many many a HUMAN culture! Let's go on a tour!! Paraphrasing the above, ... DAPHNAE is getting under the skin of CHALCI !! Nematodean Ionians are in the TRACHEAS of Hymenopteran Aztecs! The Daphnians ABSOLUTELY adore VOLCANOES, and are really really into tie-dying [and tatooing]!! The Hymenopterans are indeed POLARIZED by graphite, gypsum, and vermiculite, ... show them a HEXAGRAM ... and you have a friend!! Give them a CARBOXYLIC ACID, like citric acid, which is actually a SYNTHETIC derived in the lab from lemon juice [and sugar cane molasses fermented by the ASPERGILLIS NIGER fungus!] and they will give you literal manna from heaven! Metal salts and asphalt are a good "offering" for desert! Unfortunate for the Hymenoptera, the Neocyclops [Nematodes] are much better swimmers [don't worry if you don't feel comfortable with either of these two Orders. The Neocyclopean sea lice are NO MATCH for Dolphins or Delpians! Atlantis WAS NOT completely destroyed ... many scientists report this daily now!]. Unfortunate for the wormey cyclops, they can't take the formic acid well at all that ants and other Hymenopterans can spit at them. The Carinae are even quite susceptible to lactic acid! There is a Water Wasp, but it basically skims like a teenager, after a storm in the deep southern states of the USA, on his/her skimboard. Don't EVER make a joke with a Hymenoptera about "hitching a ride". They are still sore over all those Varroan mites that are smaller than fungi spores [a few nanometers] and are killing off honey bees in Italy and all over the world. KEYWORD, HYMENOPTERA: Chromium KEYWORD, CARINAE [i.e. copepod, nematode, mite, Daphnian volcanoe species]: Cotton; Gun Cotton [the following is excerpted from "BIOQUAKE IN BERING SEA"] > > > > > >F.B. > > So what do you want us beekeepers to do? Send our used apistan strips > > over so you can throw them in the sea? > > > > beekeep > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Junk Postings Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:16:29 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3A315DBC.26E0CB1F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27921 I would like to see this group return to a higher level of subject matter. - J. Edwards, Tucson Article 27922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Junk Postings Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 23:35:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3a31701c.8969286@news1.radix.net> References: <3A315DBC.26E0CB1F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27922 On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:16:29 -0700, John Edwards wrote: >I would like to see this group return to a higher level of subject >matter. > - J. Edwards, Tucson > But that would require a higher level of thought. beekeep Article 27923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!spool1.news.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader2.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <90o3uu$t68$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Subject: Re: queen rearing kits Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:05:25 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3a3184a7$0$147@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.105.232.12 X-Trace: reader2.news.uu.net 976323751 147 63.105.232.12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27923 This is completely off the topic, but... why don't you like NWC? Article 27924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen rearing kits Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:26:52 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 11 Message-ID: <90s29i$d08$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <90o3uu$t68$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <3a3184a7$0$147@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.11.130 X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 976325746 13320 209.23.11.130 (9 Dec 2000 01:35:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Dec 2000 01:35:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27924 I love them. I am looking for non-NWC to cross with my NWC's to improve them for my area and to fit my needs. Spike Psarris wrote in message news:3a3184a7$0$147@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net... > This is completely off the topic, but... > > why don't you like NWC? > > Article 27925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0163.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help Me Correct New York Times Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 22:45:43 -0600 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0163.nts-online.net (216.167.131.163) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 976337202 2518968 216.167.131.163 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27925 >"Honeybees swarm her mouth and nostrils, searching for the eggs that >blowflies like to lay in the body's dark cavities." Take a letter Miss Quimby, New York Times: The type of bee you have described coming and going from that unfortunate woman's body was in fact a specialized 'honey' bee that has adapted to utilize the advantages dead humans, (which apparently can be found everywhere) offer by way of human specific maggots. The bees remove these specialized maggots to their hives to be used as 'slaves.' Young bees previously allocated to inhive duties within the bee's 'famous' division of labour can now be 'freed up' for more productive purposes like finding nectar and pollen. There is a similar bee that only collects and stores the remaining contents of old sugary soft drink containers. These bees have also been seen flying in and out of dead people who had not yet begun to decay. The forensics of this mystery are simple, the person died just after drinking a large sugary drink. and the bees are utilizing this windfall to their advantage. It is just another example of the wondrous diversity of nature. C.K. Article 27926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey vinegar Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 07:56:19 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 10 Message-ID: <90tamd$aqs$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.11.40 X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 976367117 11100 209.23.11.40 (9 Dec 2000 13:05:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Dec 2000 13:05:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27926 Hi, I would like to produce small quantities of honey vinegar. Could someone tell me how or direct me to a site that would? Due to the limited availability of this product I thought it would be a good item to sell. Any other info would be appreciated. Thanks. Clayton Article 27927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A327409.63DB0F08@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Junk Postings References: <3A315DBC.26E0CB1F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 12:03:53 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.76 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 976384987 208.235.28.76 (Sat, 09 Dec 2000 13:03:07 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 13:03:07 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27927 John Edwards wrote: > > I would like to see this group return to a higher level of subject > matter. > - J. Edwards, Tucson Ya mean like Charlie's response to the New York Times??? :) AL Article 27928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3A315DBC.26E0CB1F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Subject: beekeeping job Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 13:22:23 -0500 Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.21.67 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.21.67 Message-ID: <3a3277bf_1@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 9 Dec 2000 13:19:43 -0500, 208.161.21.67 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!208.161.21.67 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27928 Greetings! We are unable to help this person. hopefully, someone on the list might bee of some help. Nikolay Gaidov E-Mail: nvalkov@yahoo.com Homepage Title: Homepage URL: http:// Referred By: Just Surfed In Location: Europa/Bulgaria Comments: HI site owner, Very nice site, really! When ours club made up a site will send it to you. I have a question: How/where I can find a job as a beekeeper in USA? I will be very grateful to you if you can help me. Thank you in advance. Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com " Article 27929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping job Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 13:27:08 -0500 Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.21.67 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.21.67 Message-ID: <3a3278dd_1@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 9 Dec 2000 13:24:29 -0500, 208.161.21.67 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!208.161.21.67 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27929 Greetings! We are unable to help this person. hopefully, someone on the list might bee of some help. Nikolay Gaidov E-Mail: nvalkov@yahoo.com Homepage Title: Homepage URL: http:// Referred By: Just Surfed In Location: Europa/Bulgaria Comments: HI site owner, Very nice site, really! When ours club made up a site will send it to you. I have a question: How/where I can find a job as a beekeeper in USA? I will be very grateful to you if you can help me. -- Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Article 27930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen rearing kits Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:38:06 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3a327b80.77422522@news1.radix.net> References: <90o3uu$t68$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27930 On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:54:28 -0800, "huestis" wrote: >Planning on starting rearing queens again this year. I have had a little >experience rearing my own queens. Can members of the group tell of their >experiences with queen rearing kits( tell witch one)? Tell advantages or >disadvantages? Do you still use these kits or have you decided to just >graft? I plan on rearing 100 - 300 queens a year. This will be integrated >with over wintering nucs to replace winter loss or for sale. Also can >someone tell me their preference of cell starters swarm box or free flying >cell starter. Why? Also wanted good carniolan stock( not NWC). Thanks in >advance. > >Clayton Huestis >Crown Point, NY > > Try some of Busby's Carni's. He is in Angie, LA. 504 735-5330 They are really nice bees that put the NWC to shame. I kept them before I needed large winter populations. beekeep Article 27931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!fr.clara.net!NiOuZphide.fr.clara.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Junk Postings Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 22:53:18 +0100 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 10 Message-ID: <90u9kk$sr69@news.vtx.ch> References: <3A315DBC.26E0CB1F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-2-p49.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27931 Well the best way is to make good input. High farting state of shock shouldn't help much... John Edwards a écrit dans le message : 3A315DBC.26E0CB1F@tucson.ars.ag.gov... > I would like to see this group return to a higher level of subject > matter. > - J. Edwards, Tucson > Article 27932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jduncan57@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Has Apicure solved packaging problem? Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 02:21:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <90upbs$fib$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.223.230.94 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Dec 10 02:21:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x61.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.223.230.94 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjduncan57 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27932 Apicure was pulled off the market this year because of packaging problems and was expected to be selling by the beginning of next year. Does anyone know if they have solved their problems? When can we expect to be to purchasing again? I have not found a company web sight to find out the status. John Duncan Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Has Apicure solved packaging problem? Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 22:28:57 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 18 Message-ID: <90utq6$q68$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <90upbs$fib$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.10.50 X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 976419462 26824 209.23.10.50 (10 Dec 2000 03:37:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Dec 2000 03:37:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27933 Call Bob Stevens at Betterbee and ask about apicure. Don't have the phone # at the moment. Clayton wrote in message news:90upbs$fib$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Apicure was pulled off the market this year because of packaging > problems and was expected to be selling by the beginning of next year. > Does anyone know if they have solved their problems? When can we expect > to be to purchasing again? I have not found a company web sight to find > out the status. > > John Duncan > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: Grinch@auuwbwejyv.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: *** F_U_C_K___C_H_R_I_S_T_M_A_S *** ................. unQN3m2r2B Date: 10 Dec 2000 03:58:17 GMT Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. 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Article 27935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!news-feed.nld.sonera.net!news.soneraplaza.nl!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A32C6D3.E3497BD@quicknet.nl> From: Hans Reply-To: 100661.2535@compuserve.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee stinger poison Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 00:57:07 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.127.167.137 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonera.nl X-Trace: news.soneraplaza.nl 976406415 212.127.167.137 (Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:00:15 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:00:15 MET Organization: SoneraPlaza Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27935 Does anybody know, whether it's possible to purchace bee stinger poison. And if so, where this would be possible and how much it would cost? tnx in advance for any help Article 27936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A32D08E.E4FA3D31@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Junk Postings References: <3A315DBC.26E0CB1F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <90u9kk$sr69@news.vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:38:38 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 976408629 208.235.28.81 (Sat, 09 Dec 2000 19:37:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 19:37:09 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27936 Martin-Paul Broennimann wrote: > > Well the best way is to make good input. High farting state of shock > shouldn't help much... eh? AL Article 27937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee stinger poison Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:41:30 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3a32debd.102828045@news1.radix.net> References: <3A32C6D3.E3497BD@quicknet.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: p22.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27937 On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 00:57:07 +0100, Hans wrote: >Does anybody know, whether it's possible to purchace bee stinger poison. >And if so, where this would be possible and how much it would cost? > >tnx in advance for any help > I collect it. How much are you looking for? I sell it mixed with emu oil. You can buy it at www.beesinabottle.com beekeep Article 27938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: lady_hillary@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ALIEN INVASIONS OF GLOBAL PROPORTIONS Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:23:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.78.196.84 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Dec 10 19:23:13 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90; AT&T CSM6.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 12.78.196.84 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDlady_hillary Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:77 alt.war:65925 alt.alien.visitors:329838 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27938 >RE: > http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html > >I found the above website extremely informative and easy to follow the >format. Did you really have problems waiting on the site to download >its graphics? I waited 3.7 seconds. For a good website I'm willing to >wait up to 60 seconds, the same amount of time that a TV ad drones on. >Usually 3 or 4 ads, actually, in a row for up to 4 minutes, of waiting >for the news to return. > >I never knew that mites are nematodes and that they spin cocoons made >of silk! Thank you for this insight. I had always considered head >lice to be insects. It's sad about the honeybees beeing infestated and invaded by varroa mites. Makes me want to wear a scarf around my trachea. > >Hillary > >http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html > >In article , > spammers-die-paghat@my-deja.com (paghat) wrote: >> In article <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, websterterrier@my-deja.com >wrote: >> >> > RE: http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html >> >> That page was designed by a moron. It's bad enough to be saddled with >> geocities as a host but then to put so many gif files on one page to >make >> a mistaken visitor wait five minutes for the download -- & that with >rapid >> DSL speeding it up. When it had loaded as far down as the Super Cooled >> Liquid Water there ... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ALIEN INVASIONS OF GLOBAL PROPORTIONS From: here@my.com (The Scarecrow) Organization: e-spiritus unum X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 14 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:20:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.115.62.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.bc.home.com 976486828 24.115.62.211 (Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:20:28 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:20:28 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:78 alt.war:65926 alt.alien.visitors:329851 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27939 Bush President Gore Vice President Leiberman Senator Cheney Cabinet Basically because Al Gore is probably one of the best vice presidents the country has ever had. Anything else in my mind, would be a loss. *** RwS Article 27940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: stargateopen@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup?? Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:36:12 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9357-3A3459BC-110@storefull-258.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <20001205071957.22207.00003260@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQFWiMiTSugBfq+XpO3h73CeUbk8gIUaN2fR/lYjYK6bSsuzKCYgKRzX78= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27940 I got this info from Brushy Mountain bee farm catalog. There are two basic formulas for sugar syrup; 1:1 for stimulation or 2:1 for winter stores. To make 1:1 syrup combine one pound of sugar with one pint of water. To make 2:1 syrup combine 5 pounds sugar with 2 1/2 pints of BOILING water. Always let syrup cool before putting on the bees. The best way to feed bees is on the inside of the hive. Article 27941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.via.net!nntp-relay.ihug.net!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "m12345" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: US Market : Honey pricing Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 05:20:38 +1300 Organization: ihug ( New Zealand ) Lines: 6 Message-ID: <915jaa$dro$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 976638091 14200 203.173.192.12 (12 Dec 2000 16:21:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:21:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27941 Not so long ago someone here used to post regular updates on US honey market prices. Does anyone know website(s) where this sort of info can be obtained? cheers, mark Article 27942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: frothymouth@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees supply clues to mysteries of RABIES?? Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:02:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 75 Message-ID: <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.78.242.75 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Dec 12 18:02:30 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90; AT&T CSM6.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 12.78.242.75 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDfrothymouth Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:79 alt.war:65928 alt.alien.visitors:329972 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27942 RE: http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html Rabies is peculiar because the body may seem paralyzed, or even DEAD, yet the central nervous system is ALARMINGLY excited. If an infected or bitten person is not treated within 24 hours with a vaccine or serum, the PARALYSIS that mimics death [mentioned above] is almost certain. Most importantly, RABIES viral glycoprotein attaches to the NICOTINIC acetylcholine receptor of the skeletal muscle and viral replication occurs in the myocytes. To most of the world, vampires are the stuff of movies and the cause of an unsettling shiver when passing by a cemetery late at night. But to scientists, Dracula and his bloodthirsty brethren are an old myth just begging for a 20th century explanation. In an age of electron microscopes and MRIs, the vampire remains the focus of a surprising amount of scientific speculation. Type the word "vampire" into Medline or any other medical database and several dozen references turn up. Although several diseases have been offered as explanations, two come up most often: RABIES and a group of blood disorders called porphyrias. Of these two, RABIES is the focus of the most recent scientific explanation. RABIES VICTIMS In the September 1998 journal Neurology, Spanish physician Juan Gomez- Alonso proposed that vampires were really victims of a type of rabies called FURIOUS RABIES. FURIOUS RABIES usually is transferred to humans by an animal bite, Gomez-Alonso writes. That matches folklore of how vampires attacked. In certain cases, symptoms of furious RABIES closely match traits typically ascribed to vampires, including clenched teeth, retracted lips, hypersexuality, frothing at the mouth and vomiting of bloody fluids. Victims of furious rabies also are known to be highly excitable, especially around mirrors, and to rush at those who approach and try to bite them. "Much evidence supports that RABIES could have played a key role in the generation of the vampire legend," Gomez-Alonso writes. Other proponents of the rabies theory have made public their ideas in medical journals. In a letter published in the Annals of Internal Medicine in 1992, a Denmark physician concluded that the vampire of legend "could very well have been a poor, rabid peasant with RABIES." Although not a vampire enthusiast, rabies expert Dr. Tim Schacker of the University of Minnesota says RABIES is an interesting take on vampires. "It's a reasonable hypothesis," he said. "It'll never be proven, but why not consider it? Many viral infections have been around since antiquity." In article <910kg4$o61$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, lady_hillary@my-deja.com wrote: > RE: > > http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html > > I found the above website extremely informative and easy to follow the > format. Did you really have problems waiting on the site to download > its graphics? I waited 3.7 seconds. For a good website I'm willing to > wait up to 60 seconds, the same amount of time that a TV ad drones on. > Usually 3 or 4 ads, actually, in a row for up to 4 minutes, of waiting > for the news to return. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 27943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Dec 2000 20:35:24 GMT References: <915jaa$dro$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: US Market : Honey pricing Message-ID: <20001212153524.22286.00004217@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27943 That used to be Andy Nachbauer aka "The Old Drone" Melanoma took him out , damn I miss him. Tom Article 27944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping $ Boy Scouts Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:46:04 -0800 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3A368E8B.42AB402C@NOSPAMims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27944 Some time back I thought I heard the Boy Scouts of America was going to re-introduce the Beekeeping Merit Badge. (After discontinuing it several years ago and getting lots of complaints about the decision.) I was checking recently, it is not listed as a badge yet. Has anyone heard about the status of this? Regards, Paul Petty P.S. Please send replies to paulp@ims.com, in addition to the newsgroup. My news server has been acting up lateley and I don't think I'm seeing all the messages. Article 27945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <915jaa$dro$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: US Market : Honey pricing Lines: 22 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:59:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.204.51 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 976661979 12.72.204.51 (Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:59:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:59:39 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27945 http://www.nhb.org/ -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "m12345" wrote in message news:915jaa$dro$1@lust.ihug.co.nz... > Not so long ago someone here used to post regular updates on US honey market > prices. Does anyone know website(s) where this sort of info can be obtained? > > cheers, mark > > Article 27946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: happy@happy.happy (Merry Lil Baker) Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees supply clues to mysteries of RABIES?? Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:58:52 GMT Organization: Merry Christmas, Hee Haw Lines: 87 Message-ID: <3a37aba1.3150651@news.erols.com> References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 6MvHWmGNbiJ9WftqLlX7HeqXi4po5ADMaQk3J3uC9mA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Dec 2000 22:53:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:80 alt.war:65931 alt.alien.visitors:330022 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27946 On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:02:30 GMT, frothymouth@my-deja.com wrote: Please forgive this blatant top posting faux pas, but I simply could not bring myself to scroll to the bottom this biting satire, er, I mean enlightening manuscript to leave a simple message: What the f*ck does this have to do with bees? It also begs the question: Do bees get rabies or cause rabies? Inquiring minds would like to troll, er, know. Any biters? >RE: http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html > >Rabies is peculiar because the body may seem paralyzed, or even DEAD, >yet the central nervous system is ALARMINGLY excited. > >If an infected or bitten person is not treated within 24 hours with a >vaccine or serum, the PARALYSIS that mimics death [mentioned above] is >almost certain. > >Most importantly, RABIES viral glycoprotein attaches to the NICOTINIC >acetylcholine receptor of the skeletal muscle and viral replication >occurs in the myocytes. > >To most of the world, vampires are the stuff of movies and the cause of >an unsettling shiver when passing by a cemetery late at night. But to >scientists, Dracula and his bloodthirsty brethren are an old myth just >begging for a 20th century explanation. > >In an age of electron microscopes and MRIs, the vampire remains the >focus of a surprising amount of scientific speculation. Type the >word "vampire" into Medline or any other medical database and several >dozen references turn up. > >Although several diseases have been offered as explanations, two come >up most often: RABIES and a group of blood disorders called porphyrias. >Of these two, RABIES is the focus of the most recent scientific >explanation. > >RABIES VICTIMS > >In the September 1998 journal Neurology, Spanish physician Juan Gomez- >Alonso proposed that vampires were really victims of a type of rabies >called FURIOUS RABIES. > >FURIOUS RABIES usually is transferred to humans by an animal bite, >Gomez-Alonso writes. That matches folklore of how vampires attacked. In >certain cases, symptoms of furious RABIES closely match traits >typically ascribed to vampires, including clenched teeth, retracted >lips, hypersexuality, frothing at the mouth and vomiting of bloody >fluids. Victims of furious rabies also are known to be highly >excitable, especially around mirrors, and to rush at those who approach >and try to bite them. > >"Much evidence supports that RABIES could have played a key role in the >generation of the vampire legend," Gomez-Alonso writes. > >Other proponents of the rabies theory have made public their ideas in >medical journals. In a letter published in the Annals of Internal >Medicine in 1992, a Denmark physician concluded that the vampire of >legend "could very well have been a poor, rabid peasant with RABIES." > >Although not a vampire enthusiast, rabies expert Dr. Tim Schacker of >the University of Minnesota says RABIES is an interesting take on >vampires. "It's a reasonable hypothesis," he said. "It'll never be >proven, but why not consider it? Many viral infections have been around >since antiquity." > > >In article <910kg4$o61$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > lady_hillary@my-deja.com wrote: >> RE: >> >> http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html >> >> I found the above website extremely informative and easy to follow the >> format. Did you really have problems waiting on the site to download >> its graphics? I waited 3.7 seconds. For a good website I'm willing >to >> wait up to 60 seconds, the same amount of time that a TV ad drones on. >> Usually 3 or 4 ads, actually, in a row for up to 4 minutes, of waiting >> for the news to return. > > >Sent via Deja.com >http://www.deja.com/ Article 27947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3A368E8B.42AB402C@NOSPAMims.com> Subject: Re: Beekeeping $ Boy Scouts Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:10:12 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-ahdMnQPVkq5/m1UQdDcgdp5WTcxpbAacE9j9DxDOpAf+MJ7vT3b096KpeZSUqQrvcJUJpYs7nFzPQr/!0rjGIRojRhbJ1m19+0hHvsFidQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:10:12 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27947 A Beekeeping Merit Badge sounds like a GREAT idea! I sure hope it's still something the boys can still do. Please let us all know what you find out. Mark "Paul Petty" wrote in message news:3A368E8B.42AB402C@NOSPAMims.com... > Some time back I thought I heard the Boy Scouts of America was going to > re-introduce the Beekeeping Merit Badge. (After discontinuing it > several years ago and getting lots of complaints about the decision.) I > was checking recently, it is not listed as a badge yet. Has anyone > heard about the status of this? > > Regards, > Paul Petty > > P.S. Please send replies to paulp@ims.com, in addition to the > newsgroup. My news server has been acting up lateley and I don't think > I'm seeing all the messages. > > Article 27948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a37aba1.3150651@news.erols.com> Subject: Re: Bees supply clues to mysteries of RABIES?? Lines: 98 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:19:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 976663153 24.13.215.128 (Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:19:13 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:19:13 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:81 alt.war:65932 alt.alien.visitors:330023 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27948 Yeah I read the whole thing and it was interesting, but yes....Bees weren't even mentioned in text let alone the clue eluding to bees solving or carrying or the whatever of Rabies. Scot Mc Pherson Merry Lil Baker wrote in message news:3a37aba1.3150651@news.erols.com... > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:02:30 GMT, frothymouth@my-deja.com wrote: > > Please forgive this blatant top posting faux pas, but I simply could not > bring myself to scroll to the bottom this biting satire, er, I mean > enlightening manuscript to leave a simple message: > > What the f*ck does this have to do with bees? It also begs the question: > Do bees get rabies or cause rabies? > > Inquiring minds would like to troll, er, know. Any biters? > > >RE: http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html > > > >Rabies is peculiar because the body may seem paralyzed, or even DEAD, > >yet the central nervous system is ALARMINGLY excited. > > > >If an infected or bitten person is not treated within 24 hours with a > >vaccine or serum, the PARALYSIS that mimics death [mentioned above] is > >almost certain. > > > >Most importantly, RABIES viral glycoprotein attaches to the NICOTINIC > >acetylcholine receptor of the skeletal muscle and viral replication > >occurs in the myocytes. > > > >To most of the world, vampires are the stuff of movies and the cause of > >an unsettling shiver when passing by a cemetery late at night. But to > >scientists, Dracula and his bloodthirsty brethren are an old myth just > >begging for a 20th century explanation. > > > >In an age of electron microscopes and MRIs, the vampire remains the > >focus of a surprising amount of scientific speculation. Type the > >word "vampire" into Medline or any other medical database and several > >dozen references turn up. > > > >Although several diseases have been offered as explanations, two come > >up most often: RABIES and a group of blood disorders called porphyrias. > >Of these two, RABIES is the focus of the most recent scientific > >explanation. > > > >RABIES VICTIMS > > > >In the September 1998 journal Neurology, Spanish physician Juan Gomez- > >Alonso proposed that vampires were really victims of a type of rabies > >called FURIOUS RABIES. > > > >FURIOUS RABIES usually is transferred to humans by an animal bite, > >Gomez-Alonso writes. That matches folklore of how vampires attacked. In > >certain cases, symptoms of furious RABIES closely match traits > >typically ascribed to vampires, including clenched teeth, retracted > >lips, hypersexuality, frothing at the mouth and vomiting of bloody > >fluids. Victims of furious rabies also are known to be highly > >excitable, especially around mirrors, and to rush at those who approach > >and try to bite them. > > > >"Much evidence supports that RABIES could have played a key role in the > >generation of the vampire legend," Gomez-Alonso writes. > > > >Other proponents of the rabies theory have made public their ideas in > >medical journals. In a letter published in the Annals of Internal > >Medicine in 1992, a Denmark physician concluded that the vampire of > >legend "could very well have been a poor, rabid peasant with RABIES." > > > >Although not a vampire enthusiast, rabies expert Dr. Tim Schacker of > >the University of Minnesota says RABIES is an interesting take on > >vampires. "It's a reasonable hypothesis," he said. "It'll never be > >proven, but why not consider it? Many viral infections have been around > >since antiquity." > > > > > >In article <910kg4$o61$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > > lady_hillary@my-deja.com wrote: > >> RE: > >> > >> http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html > >> > >> I found the above website extremely informative and easy to follow the > >> format. Did you really have problems waiting on the site to download > >> its graphics? I waited 3.7 seconds. For a good website I'm willing > >to > >> wait up to 60 seconds, the same amount of time that a TV ad drones on. > >> Usually 3 or 4 ads, actually, in a row for up to 4 minutes, of waiting > >> for the news to return. > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com > >http://www.deja.com/ > Article 27949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: US Market : Honey pricing Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:02:30 -0600 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <915jaa$dro$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: xhBsbY9CsYi0ZOKHejo5znX/gj5j1/WzPfYPUaX88ig= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Dec 2000 00:03:26 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27949 in article 915jaa$dro$1@lust.ihug.co.nz, m12345 at m12345@ihug.co.nz wrote on 12/12/00 10:20 AM: > Not so long ago someone here used to post regular updates on US honey market > prices. Does anyone know website(s) where this sort of info can be obtained? > > cheers, mark http://www.beesource.com/news/nhmn/index.htm Not planning to continue the service, not enough interest in it. -Barry Article 27950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Exposed to Stainless Steel, Aluminum, and Plastic Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:33:35 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-vb1YXIVAoUFYlrHn/0E4AOUtvVFDbgaua01oyK83ycKjvS+52rNXrHR4N2D4quFZj0dpIr4A2ROjrkj!o0foxFgXJHRFADtbbBzT+X1y X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:31:37 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27950 Please forgive these very basic questions. I'm new at beekeeping and just can't seem to find good sound answers. I've noticed that when I eat a spoonful of honey with a stainless steel spoon, I can really taste the metal. I tried several different brands of stainless steel spoons and the taste was always very strong. Thinking that most honey processing equipment and storage tanks are made of stainless steel, I thought I must be imagining things. So, I tried a plastic spoon. No metallic taste!! Now I know this must sound dumb to a lot of you, but why use stainless steel if it leaves a metallic taste? What's wrong with plastic tanks, troughs, etc...? The cost sure would be a lot less. An extractor could have a plastic drum just like most modern washing machines do - couldn't it? I've also noticed that many cooking pots and utensils are made of aluminum. I don't seem to notice a metallic taste when I use aluminum either. I know aluminum reacts with anything with a high pH, that's how soap puts the pits into your favorite aluminum pots, but mild acids don't react much, if any. What's wrong with using aluminum for settling tanks, extractors, and uncapping catch troughs? I'm sure the answers are really simple, but I'm not seeing it. What do all of you think? Thanks for your patients Mark Article 27951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!usenet01.sei.cmu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A36DE42.EAB947CF@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wireing Foundation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 X-Trace: 9+o0NN2cqPeRGZFzAHnEyWLlYYjffZyV43TPqVlJiaz3rE9msmKqU+teP4PM7WfEzCotqSPgHE1m!jVumCHEmwHiPayDtZ65A7pCXlJEsHIDOw+CHrIo8PCPsImF9JuP12TXmdrz9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:24:58 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:24:58 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27951 Does anyone know a site that explains embedding wire in foundation? I'm fairly new , on my 3rd year, and i had been using Cell Rite foundation in all my supers. I found it to be ok in my deep supers but not so great in my mediums. The uncapping machine pulled entire sections of comb off my foundations. That was not good. I'd like to try wired foundation with hooks but I don't know how to embed the wire correctly. I'm up for any suggestions. Chad Howell Article 27952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.alsv1.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A36FD27.613121D5@home.com> From: RICHARD MCCLELLAN Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees supply clues to mysteries of RABIES?? References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a37aba1.3150651@news.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 105 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:42:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.176.176 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.alsv1.occa.home.com 976682538 24.13.176.176 (Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:42:18 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:42:18 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:82 alt.war:65934 alt.alien.visitors:330044 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27952 Brings to mind the favorite joke of my grandfather--who was the son of a beekeeper. An old man was bitten by a rabid dog. Too much time had elapsed for treatment. When told by the Dr. that he was incurable he asked for a pad of paper and a pen. When asked if he was writing a will, he replied: "No, making up a list of those I am going to bite." Scot Mc Pherson wrote: > > Yeah I read the whole thing and it was interesting, but yes....Bees weren't > even mentioned in text let alone the clue eluding to bees solving or > carrying or the whatever of Rabies. > > Scot Mc Pherson > > Merry Lil Baker wrote in message > news:3a37aba1.3150651@news.erols.com... > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:02:30 GMT, frothymouth@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > Please forgive this blatant top posting faux pas, but I simply could not > > bring myself to scroll to the bottom this biting satire, er, I mean > > enlightening manuscript to leave a simple message: > > > > What the f*ck does this have to do with bees? It also begs the question: > > Do bees get rabies or cause rabies? > > > > Inquiring minds would like to troll, er, know. Any biters? > > > > >RE: http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html > > > > > >Rabies is peculiar because the body may seem paralyzed, or even DEAD, > > >yet the central nervous system is ALARMINGLY excited. > > > > > >If an infected or bitten person is not treated within 24 hours with a > > >vaccine or serum, the PARALYSIS that mimics death [mentioned above] is > > >almost certain. > > > > > >Most importantly, RABIES viral glycoprotein attaches to the NICOTINIC > > >acetylcholine receptor of the skeletal muscle and viral replication > > >occurs in the myocytes. > > > > > >To most of the world, vampires are the stuff of movies and the cause of > > >an unsettling shiver when passing by a cemetery late at night. But to > > >scientists, Dracula and his bloodthirsty brethren are an old myth just > > >begging for a 20th century explanation. > > > > > >In an age of electron microscopes and MRIs, the vampire remains the > > >focus of a surprising amount of scientific speculation. Type the > > >word "vampire" into Medline or any other medical database and several > > >dozen references turn up. > > > > > >Although several diseases have been offered as explanations, two come > > >up most often: RABIES and a group of blood disorders called porphyrias. > > >Of these two, RABIES is the focus of the most recent scientific > > >explanation. > > > > > >RABIES VICTIMS > > > > > >In the September 1998 journal Neurology, Spanish physician Juan Gomez- > > >Alonso proposed that vampires were really victims of a type of rabies > > >called FURIOUS RABIES. > > > > > >FURIOUS RABIES usually is transferred to humans by an animal bite, > > >Gomez-Alonso writes. That matches folklore of how vampires attacked. In > > >certain cases, symptoms of furious RABIES closely match traits > > >typically ascribed to vampires, including clenched teeth, retracted > > >lips, hypersexuality, frothing at the mouth and vomiting of bloody > > >fluids. Victims of furious rabies also are known to be highly > > >excitable, especially around mirrors, and to rush at those who approach > > >and try to bite them. > > > > > >"Much evidence supports that RABIES could have played a key role in the > > >generation of the vampire legend," Gomez-Alonso writes. > > > > > >Other proponents of the rabies theory have made public their ideas in > > >medical journals. In a letter published in the Annals of Internal > > >Medicine in 1992, a Denmark physician concluded that the vampire of > > >legend "could very well have been a poor, rabid peasant with RABIES." > > > > > >Although not a vampire enthusiast, rabies expert Dr. Tim Schacker of > > >the University of Minnesota says RABIES is an interesting take on > > >vampires. "It's a reasonable hypothesis," he said. "It'll never be > > >proven, but why not consider it? Many viral infections have been around > > >since antiquity." > > > > > > > > >In article <910kg4$o61$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > > > lady_hillary@my-deja.com wrote: > > >> RE: > > >> > > >> http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html > > >> > > >> I found the above website extremely informative and easy to follow the > > >> format. Did you really have problems waiting on the site to download > > >> its graphics? I waited 3.7 seconds. For a good website I'm willing > > >to > > >> wait up to 60 seconds, the same amount of time that a TV ad drones on. > > >> Usually 3 or 4 ads, actually, in a row for up to 4 minutes, of waiting > > >> for the news to return. > > > > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com > > >http://www.deja.com/ > > Article 27953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: US Market : Honey pricing Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:12:27 -0600 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <915jaa$dro$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> <916m7d$33fev$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: igPMCnhj7056gVSiBDH33yTJr9LQ4cIqi2aFskPSqAo= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Dec 2000 05:13:23 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27953 > Do > you have a site map? Or some listing of the totality of it all? I get lost > there. Good idea, Allen. I will make a site map top priority. -Barry Article 27954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3A315DBC.26E0CB1F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <3a3277bf_1@news.cybertours.com> Subject: Re: beekeeping job Lines: 42 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:16:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 976587368 24.13.215.128 (Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:16:08 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:16:08 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27954 Here is a site with job classifieds. http://www.apiservices.com/ Scot Midnitebee wrote in message news:3a3277bf_1@news.cybertours.com... > Greetings! > We are unable to help this person. hopefully, someone on the list might bee > of some help. > Nikolay Gaidov > E-Mail: nvalkov@yahoo.com > Homepage Title: > Homepage URL: http:// > Referred By: Just Surfed In > Location: Europa/Bulgaria > Comments: HI site owner, > > Very nice site, really! When ours club made up a site will send it to you. > > I have a question: How/where I can find a job as a beekeeper in USA? > I will be very grateful to you if you can help me. > > Thank you in advance. > > Herb/Norma Bee > Holly-B Apiary > PO Box 26 > Wells,Maine 04090-0026 > "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" > The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet > http://www.mainebee.com > Stony Critters > http://www.stonycritters.com > > " > > Article 27955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <90tamd$aqs$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Subject: Re: Honey vinegar Lines: 68 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <_cgZ5.120820$65.1041547@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:38:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 976588730 24.13.215.128 (Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:38:50 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:38:50 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27955 It is very easiy to make honey vinegar...There are two ways to make it...The controlled way and the uncontrolled way...you do NOT want to do the uncontrolled method...it isn't practiced. First you need availability to a winemaking supply shop...There are somethings you needs to have that you can only get there (or rather its the only place to get them all in one place) You need at the very least: Winemaking Hydrometer (~$14US, looks like a floating thermometer) 2 - Airlocks and Bung (~$5US MAX) 2 - 5 gallon carboys (glass water bottle ~$12-20US each) Wine Yeast (Pasteur Chanpagne yeast is the best for your purposes) White Mother of Vinegar (this isn't pure vinegar you get in the store...Its nasty looking stuff) First you make 5 gallons of mead (Honey Wine) 5gal recipe You mix 5 gallons of water with about 12 Lbs of honey in a 7 gallon food grade bucket. Mix very well until all honey is thoroughly disolved (VERY IMPORTANT). Then continue adding and disolving honey until you get a concentration that reads 1.080 Specific Gravity on the hydromter. Let sit for an hour or two to acheive room temperature. Then throw in one package of yeast. Let sit for 24-48 hours. When you look at it now it should smell kinda funny like fresh-but-rotting flowers. This is a good smell of the yeast working at the fermentable sugars and producing CO2. Check the Specific Gravity Daily...when it reaches 1.040 or less you will transfer the mixture to the carboy leaving the sediment behind in the bucket. Use an acrylic tube to syphon it into the carboy, filling the carboy up to within 2 inches of the airlock. Let it sit for about 1 month...this should be long enough. This will make a mead (Honey Wine) that has approx 11-12% Alcohol by Volume. Now to make the vinegar: Syphon half of the mead into the other carboy. Fill both with pure water up to where the shoulder meats the side of the carboy. Put one half of the mother of vinegar into each carboy. In 3 months you should have 10 gallons of 6% vinegar. The longer you let it sit, the clearer it will become (up to about 1 year) This is a very simplistic recipe which doesn't take into account many variables...If you want to learn more about wine and vinegar making you should head on over to the rec.crafts.winemaking newsgroup...We talk a lot about making this stuff all the time...matter of fact that's all we talk about.=)) Scot Mc Pherson huestis wrote in message news:90tamd$aqs$1@newsfeed.logical.net... > Hi, > > I would like to produce small quantities of honey vinegar. Could someone > tell me how or direct me to a site that would? Due to the limited > availability of this product I thought it would be a good item to sell. Any > other info would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Clayton > > Article 27956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Chat-room Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:38:39 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 21 Message-ID: <917tq3$j1f$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip5.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 976714371 19503 195.249.242.5 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27956 the first message disappeared! I have installed a beekeepr chat-room on my url. please keep it clean, and about beekeeping. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 10-12-2000 Now chat-room for beekeeping installed. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-2.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chat room Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:15:49 -0700 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <919ag9$38os0$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <917tiu$hjd$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <918qpt$3ckj2$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <9191d1$8nh$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-2.internode.net (198.161.229.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 976760138 3433344 198.161.229.178 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27957 > > I have never come across anyone in any of the bee chat rooms around, and > > there are quite a few. I've entered most I've encountered at one time or > > another. > > Could be that people are a little frigthened about this. Most chat-rooms > around are just floting with crap. I have tryed to make it private and > dedicated beekeepers. Yeah, I think that is one thing, but after I've gone into a few chats and found no one but me and even waited around a bit, I don't bother anymore. It usually takes time and effort to enter the room. Maybe you should say when you will be there yourself (in GMT on what day) and some of us might just drift over to see you. allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/ New and improved! Article 27958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kog2000@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping supply houses in BC? Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 03:28:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <914606$h4i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.173.203.212 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Dec 12 03:28:11 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x69.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.173.203.212 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkog2000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27958 Does anybody have contact information (address, phone number) for any beekeeping supply houses in British Columbia? -K Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-1.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chat room Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:46:57 -0700 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <91aivb$3ebbc$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <917tiu$hjd$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <918qpt$3ckj2$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <9191d1$8nh$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <919ag9$38os0$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <91aavl$b3l$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-1.internode.net (198.161.229.177) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 976801580 3616108 198.161.229.177 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27959 > > Maybe you should say when you will be there yourself (in GMT on what day) > > I will give it a try, and put some of my pocketmoney into it. I will be > online in the chat-room one hour from 00.00 GMT Friday, Saturday and > Sonday If I have your meaning correctly, you are saying, and you mean one hour BEFORE midnight UTC or 11PM UTC? That's midnight in Denmark. If I figured this correctly, that will be 8 hours earlier on the west coast of north America or 3 PM, and 3 hours later, or 6 PM, on most of the east coast. http://aa.usno.navy.mil/AA/faq/docs/world_tzones.html http://www.worldtime.org/ http://gamut.hypermart.net/TimeZone/?fwtz http://www.invest7.com/worldtime.htm http://www.globalmetric.com/time/ ...are several of many sites that have world time information for others who are trying to find that tiny window in time. A search for "world time" brings lots of hits. allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 27960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chat room Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:32:07 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 28 Message-ID: <91aoqm$ibk$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <917tiu$hjd$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <918qpt$3ckj2$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <9191d1$8nh$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <919ag9$38os0$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <91aavl$b3l$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <91aivb$3ebbc$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip41.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 976807574 18804 195.215.97.41 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27960 "Allen Dick" skrev i en meddelelse news:91aivb$3ebbc$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > If I have your meaning correctly, you are saying, and you mean one hour > BEFORE midnight UTC or 11PM UTC? That's midnight in Denmark. correct, it is late for me and early for some others :-) I have a clock software called world clock. got it somwhere from australia, I can put (will) put it on my server, it is freeware. Time is now here 04.29PM and in ontario Canada it is 10.29AM. Vancouver Canada 07.29 -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 10-12-2000 Now chatroom for beekeeping installed. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USENET Access to sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:09:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <91akai$nrm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <919apn$3bse7$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 14 14:09:29 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; EDS COE v2000.2) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27961 In article <919apn$3bse7$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de>, "Allen Dick" wrote: > I notice that quite a few are using Deja.com to access > sci.agriculture.beekeeping. I was until recently and found it very slow. > > There is a free USENET server on the net you can use, no matter what dial-up > you use. Try http://news.cis.dfn.de/ > > allen The only problem I have found is that it isn't all that reliable. But then I have a direct connection as my employer acts as my ISP. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 27962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rmedders@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pricing used equipment Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:36:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <91asv0$1h$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.31.161.93 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 14 16:36:49 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.31.161.93 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrmedders Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27962 Im looking for information on how to price used equipment. I have a number of 8 frame Illinoise supers and hive bodies (no bees). I need help in pricing items below. I've had a back injury and can no longer do beekeeping. Need help pricing the following: (Illinoise 8 or 10 frame Supers) with drawed comb (price?) with frames only (price?) empty boxes no frames (price?) (Illinoise 8 or 10 frame Hive Bodies) with top, bottom board, frames & queen excluder (price?) with frames only(drawed or no foundation), no top or bottom (price?) empty boxes no frames (price?) Thanks for any help you can offer on this. Fran flsuwann@hotmail.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 27963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: toby carlson@tobycarl (Toby Carlson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees gone Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:50:08 -0000 Organization: 2C Designs Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Cyberjack News 7.00 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27963 I have new boxes, frames and foundations but the bees are gone. There is no sign of foul brood and very few dead bees near the hive. Plenty of honey for them to feed on in the hives. The brood chambers were somewhat empty. I live in the PNW and bought Carnolian/blk Italian bees. Why are they gone. Any insight? Article 27964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees gone Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:50:29 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A391675.2A0D4F88@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27964 Hi Toby, When was the last time you saw brood in the hive and how much? When was the last time you checked the hive? Was there a good population then? When you say foundations, you mean drawn comb right? Kent Article 27965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: toby carlson@tobycarl (Toby Carlson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees gone Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:12:52 -0000 Organization: 2C Designs Message-ID: References: <3A391675.2A0D4F88@kingston.net> X-Newsreader: Cyberjack News 7.00 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27965 In article <3A391675.2A0D4F88@kingston.net>, kent stienburg wrote: > Hi Toby, > > When was the last time you saw brood in the hive and how much? When was > the last time you checked the hive? Was there a good population then? > When you say foundations, you mean drawn comb right? > > Kent Article 27966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.183!nnrp5-w.sbc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A36D546.873195AD@pacbell.net> From: Stalia Dane Reply-To: stalia@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-PBI-NC404 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey References: <3A2E15D6.1C0A7E5A@interact.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 2 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:47:50 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.170.32.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: nnrp5-w.sbc.net 976672490 206.170.32.94 (Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:54:50 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:54:50 PST Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27966 Please share the info if you find it - I am also interested in this. Article 27967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool2-11.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: US Market : Honey pricing Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:17:27 -0700 Lines: 34 Message-ID: <916m7d$33fev$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <915jaa$dro$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool2-11.internode.net (198.161.229.203) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 976673840 3259871 198.161.229.203 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27967 Looking at those prices is pretty damn depressing, granted. Nonetheless, Barry, I think we had all forgotten that you were doing this. There's a tonne of good stuff on your site that everyone forgets about. Do you have a site map? Or some listing of the totality of it all? I get lost there. allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/ The daily life of a commercial beekeeper in western Canada. "Barry Birkey" wrote in message news:B65C18B6.899E%barry@birkey.com... > in article 915jaa$dro$1@lust.ihug.co.nz, m12345 at m12345@ihug.co.nz wrote > on 12/12/00 10:20 AM: > > > Not so long ago someone here used to post regular updates on US honey market > > prices. Does anyone know website(s) where this sort of info can be obtained? > > > > cheers, mark > > > http://www.beesource.com/news/nhmn/index.htm > > Not planning to continue the service, not enough interest in it. > > -Barry > Article 27968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: airwolf33@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wondering about bees in winter Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:15:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <91bgpa$hk9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.217.105.77 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 14 22:15:12 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt; ViaGrafix ISP) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 64.217.105.77 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDairwolf33 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27968 I have 5 hives. I tried to make sure they had enough honey to last all winter. But because of the early winter here in Ok. I am beginning to wonder about them. When would it be safe to check them and what would be the best feed to give them if necessary. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 27969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!renate.komtel.net!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: to all homepage for beekeeper owner. Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:27:27 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 74 Message-ID: <91bh5d$3ag$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip14.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 976832493 3408 195.249.242.14 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27969 Dear all! I have been thinking of this! if we all set up a chat-room then it should be possible for some of us to get in chat with another beekeeper an maybe make nice contacts. here is a code to put into a htm. The only thing you have to do is to get registeret at ICQ. and this is free of charge. then replace TheUIE parameter in the code to your ICQ number and you are running. all chats will then go into the same chat-board. so that all chatusers will see each other. how about this?? How to use this chat-room!

When the chat-room has loaded you can write your text at the cursor below the color line and then press the enter key. This will bring your text into the chat-board. You can change your Nick name. And if you are tired of participating here, then you can choose another chat-room. You can also click on a current user and then establish a private chat with him/her.

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Use of IrCQ-Net is subject to the IrCQ-Net Terms of Use and the ICQ Terms of Service -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 10-12-2000 Now chatroom for beekeeping installed. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wireing Foundation Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:47:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <91bim6$j50$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A36DE42.EAB947CF@gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.111 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 14 22:47:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.111 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers00 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27970 > Chad Howellwrote: > Does anyone know a site that explains embedding wire in foundation? > Chad Howell ******************************************************** Howdy Chad -- I use crimp wired foundation in medium frames, but I use the kind with no hooks. If hook foundation is used, the cleat causes the foundation to bow so that comb om one side is thick and the other side thin. The no-hook foundation is held in firmly with the cleat and about 4 or 5 one inch nails nailed in horizontally into the top bar. This puts plenty of pinch pressure on the foundation to hold it in place. If you intend to wire the frames with two horizontal wires in addition to the crimp wires which are already imbedded in the foundation, the sheet of foundation can be threaded between the two horizontal wires and do not have to be imbedded with a "spur" imbedder which is listed in the bee catalogs. I do not find that installing the two horizontal wires is worth the time and effort. Pete So Much to Learn -- so Little Time Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 27971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Dec 2000 11:25:41 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Help Me Correct New York Times Message-ID: <20001212062541.04595.00001807@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27971 >Honeybees swarm her mouth and nostrils, searching for the eggs that >>blowflies like to lay in the body's dark cavities ya know i leave for a while an the crazies take slam over. if they wuz bees then they had to be them damn yankee bees. They'll arrive in droves, take over the local populace, eat anything in sight even worry the hell outa the dead. they buzz real loud, get rite in ya face and smell funny. i wish they'd all go home Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 27972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kgbenson@mindspring.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Taper molds Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:11:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <91bk3j$k9q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.160.187 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 14 23:11:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.80.160.187 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkgbenson Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27972 Group - this is somewhat off topic but I ahv a few pounds of wax form my very novice level beakeeping and was hoping to turn this into some nice tapers for the holidays. Where might I get a mold and some appropriate wicking? Thanks! Keith Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 27973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kgbenson@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Taper molds Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:11:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <91bk3d$k9m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.160.187 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 14 23:11:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.80.160.187 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkgbenson Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27973 Group - this is somewhat off topic but I ahv a few pounds of wax form my very novice level beakeeping and was hoping to turn this into some nice tapers for the holidays. Where might I get a mold and some appropriate wicking? Thanks! Keith Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 27974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool2-6.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Taper molds Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:16:05 -0700 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <91bri7$3r4t6$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <91bk3j$k9q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool2-6.internode.net (198.161.229.198) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 976843144 4035494 198.161.229.198 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27974 Tapers are not made in a mold, but rather by dipping. Wicks can be had from a hobby shop, or you can use butcher's string or the cotton string used in carpenters' chalk lines (available as refills at a hardware store). The wick purchased as such is theoretically superior, but I made a very nice living in the 60s using string. As for the dipping, you need a tall can like a tomato juice can to melt your wax and dip in. ...CAREFUL! -- beeswax is quite flammable. Dip the wick once while the wax is still not showing any sign of setting up and straighten it with your fingers. Usually the string is then folded in half and hung over something (your finger?) so that two candles form -- one on each half. As the wax cools in the can, dip and re-dip the string -- letting the wax set between dips -- and the candle will grow nicely around it. Quit when you have what you want. allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ wrote in message news:91bk3j$k9q$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Group - this is somewhat off topic but I ahv a few pounds of wax form my > very novice level beakeeping and was hoping to turn this into some nice > tapers for the holidays. Where might I get a mold and some appropriate > wicking? > > Thanks! > > Keith > > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ Article 27975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees gone Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:35:34 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A398376.C06516BD@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3A391675.2A0D4F88@kingston.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27975 Hi Toby, You are describing an absconded hive. This is when all the members of the hive leave because of some outside irritation. Examples would be predators, excessive water or manipulations, wax moth invasion, ect. However, I would think it was to late for absconding. Was there any evidence of predator? Like skunks? Did he have a problem with wasps? What condition was the comb like, clean looking or tattered. What debris was lying on the bottom board? Look for body parts, excessive wax, lots of dead varroa. Since it is so late in the season the hive should be geared down for the winter. Was the hive dry? Since he seemed to believe there was a good population (I asked the question thinking the queen had died therefor the hive just died out). I wouldn't think the strain of bee would matter much. Sure seems to be a funny time of the year to find a hive empty in your geographical location. Kent Article 27976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wondering about bees in winter Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:41:45 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A3984E9.6AC8EAE@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <91bgpa$hk9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27976 How long is winter for you? Here in Eastern Ontario our first pollen is March. Right now I winter with 2 deeps. The bees are in the bottom one. The top deep is full and it is difficult for me to lift the hive from the back with my finger tips. Kent Article 27977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!16.gj1.gj.NET!not-for-mail From: Brian Kraft Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USENET Access to sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:24:33 -0700 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <91c2tf$3kn7o$1@ID-758.news.dfncis.de> References: <919apn$3bse7$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 16.gj1.gj.net (216.169.64.16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 976850672 3824888 216.169.64.16 (16 [758]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/16.548 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27977 Allen Dick wrote: >I notice that quite a few are using Deja.com to access >sci.agriculture.beekeeping. I was until recently and found it very slow. >There is a free USENET server on the net you can use, no matter what dial-up >you use. Try http://news.cis.dfn.de/ I notice that you're using Outlook Express to post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping. I did once and found it very cumbersome. There are better free Windows newsreaders available, such as Free Agent and Xnews. Try http://www.forteinc.com/agent/freagent.htm and http://xnews.3dnews.net/ -- b h k Article 27978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "David Eyre" From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <91bk3j$k9q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91bri7$3r4t6$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Taper molds Lines: 18 Organization: The Bee Works X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:54:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.62.39 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 976852472 209.212.62.39 (Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:54:32 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:54:32 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27978 Not strictly true. We do a very nice range of taper moulds complete with a twisted spiral. Try that with dipping. Regards Dave....-- ***************************************** The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia. Ontario, Canada. 705 326 7171 admin@beeworks.com http://www.beeworks.com ***************************************** "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:91bri7$3r4t6$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > Tapers are not made in a mold, but rather by dipping. > > Wicks can be had from a hobby shop, or you can use butcher's Article 27979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0154.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees supply clues to mysteries of RABIES?? Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:41:22 -0600 Lines: 62 Message-ID: <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com> References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0154.nts-online.net (216.167.131.154) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 976858751 3881341 216.167.131.154 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:83 alt.war:65942 alt.alien.visitors:330273 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27979 >Rabies is peculiar because the body may seem paralyzed, or even DEAD, >yet the central nervous system is ALARMINGLY excited. I daresay this is crap, prove it; site medical publications on the net to which you refer, with page numbers. > death [mentioned above] is >almost certain. Yes rabies without treatment is certain death, however, I think there was only one recorded 'survival' of a small child that had begun to show the symptoms of Rabies, a remarkable story. >But to >scientists, Dracula and his bloodthirsty brethren are an old myth just >begging for a 20th century explanation. Is that right? Bet you can't name three 'scientist' that think that. Are these the new 'corporate' sponsored scientist we hear so much of these days? >In an age of electron microscopes and MRIs, the vampire remains the >focus of a surprising amount of scientific speculation. I doubt it, but if it were so it is because we live in a dark age where learning has been replaced with 'success.' Just because a large part of the population can operate a VCR, doesn't make them more civilized than a medieval peasant. >"Much evidence supports that RABIES could have played a key role in the >generation of the vampire legend," Gomez-Alonso writes. complete drivel. >In a letter published in the Annals of Internal >Medicine in 1992, a Denmark physician Name dates and publications of these 'Annals" and the Danish Physician give out URL's and substantiate claims. >Although not a vampire enthusiast, rabies expert Dr. Tim Schacker of >the University of Minnesota says RABIES is an interesting take on >vampires. Let us have the location of the venerable Dr. Tim's publication speculating upon his connection of Rabies and the Dark One. 'frothymouth' I didn't see any references to bees as regards the title of your post. Where were the 'clues.' Did you forget to include a paragraph? Lastly, are you a reporter for the New York Times magazine? C.K. Article 27980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-12.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Taper molds Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:16:38 -0700 Lines: 60 Message-ID: <91d251$3uprk$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <91bk3j$k9q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91bri7$3r4t6$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-12.internode.net (198.161.229.188) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 976882658 4155252 198.161.229.188 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27980 Can candles made in molds really be tapers -- or just thin molded candles that resemble tapers? Maybe I'm just splitting hairs, or maybe the meaning of the word has changed since I studied candle-making many years back. Or, maybe the difference is technical and only interest candle makers or chandlers. Whatever the word 'taper' really means, you are correct, tall thin wax candles can be made using molds and quite a variety of special shapes are available, but, anyone choosing that route will have to 1.) obtain the molds and 2.) learn to use them. That is not always as simple as it sounds. Basic traditional dipped taper-making is almost idiot-proof (other than the possibility of fire if the wax is heated carelessly), and is often possible for a beekeeper with a spare hour or two without leaving the house -- or spending a cent. This sounded custom-made for the person who enquired. Who knows, maybe he has already made a few. It can be that quick and simple if you don't have to obtain molds and other supplies. As a point of technical interest: there is a huge difference between a properly made dipped taper and a molded candle. The dipping process naturally results in a perfect tapered, clean-burning shape due to the layering of the wax from subsequent dips, assuming that the correct wick is chosen. The process has the advantage that it makes a superior candle without requiring a mold. Likely this was a big consideration in times when people were poor, there was no mall nearby and everyone was using candles daily. Moreover, in fancy tapers, a harder and/or decorative wax can be used for the final dip -- or several dips to -- give special effects and to prevent guttering. That is not to say that a molded candle cannot be dipped after molding. Many are, but dipping provides a type of layering and tempering of the wax that gives a very different burning characteristic from a molded candle made of the same wax. FWIW, my curiosity was piqued by the word 'taper', and I checked several dictionaries. The definition I found is: "A small, slender candle, a wax covered wick used for lighting candles, etc.", and the definition goes on to discuss the idea of tapering to a point. The method of manufacture of the candles is not explicitly mentioned. While we are talking about tall thin candles -- even though the original writer does not plan to buy wax -- maybe I should mention that coloured or natural wax sheet, either flat or embossed by foundation rollers and usually in standard foundation sizes, are available at hobby shops such as Lewiscraft and bee supply stores. These sheets can easily be hand-rolled into tubular candles (or tapering candles by cutting the sheet to a triangular shape) and, for that matter, I have heard of them referred to as tapers as well. No heat (or talent) is required for making these candles and they can be made in a matter of minutes -- once the materials are obtained. allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > Not strictly true. We do a very nice range of taper moulds complete with a > twisted spiral. Try that with dipping. > > Tapers are not made in a mold, but rather by dipping. > > Wicks can be had from a hobby shop, or you can use butcher's Article 27981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wireing Foundation Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:08:18 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <91d1jg$mvn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A36DE42.EAB947CF@gte.net> <91bim6$j50$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.53 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Dec 15 12:08:18 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x71.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.53 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27981 In article <91bim6$j50$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pete wrote: > > I use crimp wired foundation in medium frames, but I use the kind with no hooks. If hook foundation is used, the cleat causes the foundation to bow so that comb om one side is thick and the other side thin. The no-hook foundation is held in firmly with the cleat and about 4 or 5 one inch nails nailed in horizontally into the top bar. This puts plenty of pinch pressure on the foundation to hold it in place. Wow Pete!!! I'm glad to read that. To prevent bowing I bent each one of the hooks to a more acute angle before nailing on the cleat. That usually meant having a few of them stick into my thumb. Your idea of the nails sounds great. But aren't you talking about nailing them vertically into the top bar? Nailing horizontally got me to thinking though. We could probably put smaller nails horizontally into the top bar to provide equal spacing of the frames when using only nine frames. I'm talking about hobbyists with only a few hives of course, that don't have a spacing tool. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 27982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 49 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: miksahf@aol.com (David Miksa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:13:32 GMT References: <90tamd$aqs$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Honey vinegar Message-ID: <20001215081332.08895.00004948@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27982 >Subject: Honey vinegar >Path: >lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!n ewsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail >From: "huestis" buzzybee@capital.net >Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 07:56:19 -0800 >Organization: Logical Net >Lines: 10 >Message-ID: <90tamd$aqs$1@newsfeed.logical.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.11.40 >X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 976367117 11100 209.23.11.40 (9 Dec 2000 >13:05:17 GMT) >X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net >NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Dec 2000 13:05:17 GMT >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > > >Hi, > >I would like to produce small quantities of honey vinegar. Could someone >tell me how or direct me to a site that would? Due to the limited >availability of this product I thought it would be a good item to sell. Any >other info would be appreciated. Thanks. > >Clayton > > > > I guess I made honey vinegar the uncontroled way. Real simple: cut one part of good raw light honey with 8 parts good pure water place into glass containers about 2/3 full, cover with good lid, wait 6 months. I have made gallons and still have some from 8 years ago sitting on shelf in unheated honey house in Wisconsin in orginal fermentation containers. A little residue is left at bottom of jars , just pour off carefully. There are enough natural yeast and enzymes in raw honey to do the right fermentation. David Miksa Miksa Honey Farms 13404 Honeycomb Road Groveland, Fl 34736 home page http://members.aol.com/miksahf/index.html Article 27983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <90tamd$aqs$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <20001215081332.08895.00004948@ng-ca1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Honey vinegar Lines: 77 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:37:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 976901833 24.13.215.128 (Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:37:13 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:37:13 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27983 Well having made wine and vinegar for the last 11 year I can tell you that you have been very lucky...It is likely that you have beneficial yeasts and acetobacter in your area and so it works for you...I am guessing that somewhere within 50 miles of your location is a winery which which explain the 'natural' source of your yeast... Nasty things can and often occur if you try making wine or vinegar the uncontrolled way... Now when making grape wines, the beneficial yeast are already present on the fruit...that's the white dust that covers the grapes you buy or see growing, but honey doesn't have the advantage of carrying its own proper yeasts...yes all honey has yeast in it...thats the nature of yeast to seek out sugar and so it does, but the yeast in honey is not necessary a beneficial strain. bottom line is, you got lucky Scot Mc Pherson David Miksa wrote in message news:20001215081332.08895.00004948@ng-ca1.aol.com... > > >Subject: Honey vinegar > >Path: > >lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!n > ewsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail > >From: "huestis" buzzybee@capital.net > >Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > >Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 07:56:19 -0800 > >Organization: Logical Net > >Lines: 10 > >Message-ID: <90tamd$aqs$1@newsfeed.logical.net> > >NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.11.40 > >X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 976367117 11100 209.23.11.40 (9 Dec 2000 > >13:05:17 GMT) > >X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net > >NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Dec 2000 13:05:17 GMT > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > >I would like to produce small quantities of honey vinegar. Could someone > >tell me how or direct me to a site that would? Due to the limited > >availability of this product I thought it would be a good item to sell. Any > >other info would be appreciated. Thanks. > > > >Clayton > > > > > > > > > > I guess I made honey vinegar the uncontroled way. Real simple: cut one part of > good raw light honey with 8 parts good pure water place into glass containers > about 2/3 full, cover with good lid, wait 6 months. I have made gallons and > still have some from 8 years ago sitting on shelf in unheated honey house in > Wisconsin in orginal fermentation containers. A little residue is left at > bottom of jars , just pour off carefully. There are enough natural yeast and > enzymes in raw honey to do the right fermentation. > > David Miksa > Miksa Honey Farms > 13404 Honeycomb Road > Groveland, Fl 34736 > home page http://members.aol.com/miksahf/index.html Article 27984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!News.Math.NCTU.edu.tw!ctu-peer!ctu-reader!ctu-gate!news.nctu.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!news.seed.net.tw!not-for-mail From: bristo@tpts7.seed.net.tw (Brian) Newsgroups: rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Straw poll: rec.crafts.meadmaking Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:05:54 GMT Organization: SEEDNet News Service Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3a374f58.1511030@news.seed.net.tw> References: <79iU5.20057$pw2.2071295@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net> <8vsko5$5g5uh$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <9019mu$75h$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tp227-254.dialup.seed.net.tw X-Trace: news.seed.net.tw 976706264 26779 139.175.227.254 (13 Dec 2000 11:17:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@seed.net.tw NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:17:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.crafts.winemaking:65918 rec.crafts.brewing:247844 rec.food.historic:23673 rec.org.sca:310903 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27984 I would like the access to experts. On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:55:00 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: > >Frederic Hugo Meyering wrote in message >news:oZGU5.145176$e5.83249@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... >> >> "Christopher Hadden" wrote in message >> news:jUDU5.23041$pw2.2305419@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net... >> > "Allen Dick" wrote in message >> > news:8vsko5$5g5uh$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... >> > > > Would you read or use a newsgroup devoted solely to mead >making? >> > > >> > > Probably not. >> > > >> > > I assume everyone is aware of the Mead Lovers Digest -- >> > > mead-request@talisman.com , now in its 830th issue? >> > > >> > > And their archive at www.talisman.com/mead ? >> > > >> > > allen >> > >> > The Mead Lover's Digest is a wonderful resource and I will >continue to >> > subscribe to it. I believe a Usenet newsgroup would be a >good complement. >> > >> > Christopher Hadden >> > >> > >> Here Here >> Fred > >Where, where? > >Mary >> >> > Article 27985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!wiscnews.wiscnet.net!not-for-mail From: "Lars Fladmark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: toxic pollen Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:41:31 -0600 Organization: Wiscnet Lines: 4 Message-ID: <91e399$560$1@wiscnews.wiscnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.104.15.7 X-Trace: wiscnews.wiscnet.net 976916585 5312 137.104.15.7 (15 Dec 2000 21:43:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@wiscnews.wiscnet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 2000 21:43:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27985 Does anyone here know if there is a species of flower that is toxic to honeybees? Article 27986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wireing Foundation Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:04:26 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 34 Message-ID: <91e4h6$lu8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A36DE42.EAB947CF@gte.net> <91bim6$j50$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91d1jg$mvn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.113 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Dec 15 22:04:26 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.113 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers00 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27986 > Wow Pete!!! I'm glad to read that. To prevent bowing I bent each > one of the hooks to a more acute angle before nailing on the cleat. > That usually meant having a few of them stick into my thumb. Your idea > of the nails sounds great. But aren't you talking about nailing them > vertically into the top bar? > Sincerely, > Herb ************************************************************** Howdy Herb -- Nailing the cleat horizontally puts pinch pressure on the sheet of foundation to hold it against the part of the top bar not removed as a cleat. Vertical nailing makes it hard to hold the cleat firmly enough in place to hold it securely. Pete -- So Much to Learn -- so Little Time Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 27987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees gone Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:25:12 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 33 Message-ID: <91e7tp$3sb$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3A391675.2A0D4F88@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-142.florida.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 976921337 3979 62.137.60.142 (15 Dec 2000 23:02:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 2000 23:02:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27987 Typical of varroa - large population vanishes because brood is not viable. wrote in message news:t3iduk23u5fv9f@corp.supernews.com... > In article <3A391675.2A0D4F88@kingston.net>, kent stienburg > Kent, > I'm actually asking this question for someone else. His computer is down. I think > he checked at the end of Oct. If there was not much brood then, would something > happen now? I believe the population of the hives was very good. He's wondering if > it might be because of the type of bees he got and being in the PNW ie: wet and > cool.I'm not too sure about nomenclature...does drawn comb mean that the bees had > produced their own comb on the foundation? If so then yes, drawn comb. I'll try to > find out some more info. Thanks, Kent. > > > > wrote: > > Hi Toby, > > > > When was the last time you saw brood in the hive and how much? When was > > the last time you checked the hive? Was there a good population then? > > When you say foundations, you mean drawn comb right? > > > > Kent > Article 27988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Dec 2000 23:45:29 GMT References: <91e399$560$1@wiscnews.wiscnet.net> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: toxic pollen Message-ID: <20001215184529.06109.00004866@ng-ck1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27988 >Does anyone here know if there is a species of flower that is toxic to >honeybees? > There was a case of bee poisoning on the Scottish isle of Colonsay in 1955, which was due to the island having been planted with large numbers of Rhododendron thomsonii. (Ted Hooper, Bees and Honey, Marston House, 4th Ed. 1997, p. 199) Regards, Robert Brenchley RSBrenchley@aol.com Article 27989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EUnet.yu!not-for-mail From: "Oliver & Jelena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: two queen system Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 00:38:02 +0100 Organization: Public news server of EUnet Yugoslavia Lines: 4 Message-ID: <91ea3s$fgn$1@SOLAIR2.EUnet.yu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-5.3.eunet.yu X-Trace: SOLAIR2.EUnet.yu 976923580 15895 213.240.5.3 (15 Dec 2000 23:39:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@EUnet.yu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 2000 23:39:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27989 I'm new at beekeeping. I bravely began with two queen system. Any kind of information or advice is welcome. Thank you. Article 27990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <91e399$560$1@wiscnews.wiscnet.net> Subject: Re: toxic pollen Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <6yy_5.124329$65.1056537@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 00:19:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 976925954 24.13.215.128 (Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:19:14 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:19:14 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27990 There is only one reported (that I know of) and it is in the central to south florida interior (IOW the everglades swamps)...So far the cases have been few, and there are two flowers here that are also toxic for humans to consume as honey...but again the reports are very seldom... Scot Mc Pherson Lars Fladmark wrote in message news:91e399$560$1@wiscnews.wiscnet.net... > Does anyone here know if there is a species of flower that is toxic to > honeybees? > > Article 27991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Dec 2000 00:27:38 GMT References: <91e399$560$1@wiscnews.wiscnet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: toxic pollen Message-ID: <20001215192738.01148.00004411@nso-cj.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27991 In article <91e399$560$1@wiscnews.wiscnet.net>, "Lars Fladmark" writes: > >Does anyone here know if there is a species of flower that is toxic to >honeybees? > > California Buckeye pollen is toxic to nurse bees, at least the variety I had near me in Salinas. Article 27992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: chat room Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:34:50 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 19 Message-ID: <917tiu$hjd$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip5.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 976714142 18029 195.249.242.5 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27992 I have now installed a chat-room on my url. It should be about beekeeping. Please keep it clean. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 10-12-2000 Now chat-room for beekeeping installed. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: US Market : Honey pricing Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:10:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <915jaa$dro$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27993 BeeCrofter wrote: That used to be Andy Nachbauer aka "The Old Drone"...Melanoma took him out , damn I miss him. plenty of virtual wisdom can still bee accessed posthumously at his website http://beenet.com/ Article 27994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "David Eyre" From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <917tiu$hjd$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Subject: Re: chat room Lines: 31 Organization: The Bee Works X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:38:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.62.41 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 976743503 209.212.62.41 (Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:38:23 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:38:23 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27994 Hope it gets used more than the one we put up. We get lots of visitors to our site (stats tell me) but nobody seems to want to leave any messages. Damm good job I changed my mind on spending $199 US on that bulletin program, would have been real peeved. Regards Dave..... admin@beeworks.com http://www.beeworks.com "Jorn Johanesson" wrote in message news:917tiu$hjd$1@news.inet.tele.dk... > I have now installed a chat-room on my url. It should be about beekeeping. > Please keep it clean. > > -- > Kind regards > Jorn Johanesson > Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 > > hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software > full revised and bug tested 10-12-2000 > > Now chat-room for beekeeping installed. > > home page = HTTP://apimo.dk > e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > > > > Article 27995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-6.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chat room Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:47:37 -0700 Lines: 54 Message-ID: <918qpt$3ckj2$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <917tiu$hjd$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-6.internode.net (198.161.229.182) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 976744062 3560034 198.161.229.182 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27995 I have never come across anyone in any of the bee chat rooms around, and there are quite a few. I've entered most I've encountered at one time or another. Another route for those who want to chat would be to use Yahoo Messenger, ICQ, MS Messenger, AOL's Messenger or MS Netmeeting to get together. The only problem is that these require knowing the other beekeeper's email or ID. I've used them all at one time or another and they do work well. Finding the people you want to meet and excluding those you do not is the only problem. allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ "David Eyre" wrote in message news:j%RZ5.12163$7.501726@quark.idirect.com... > Hope it gets used more than the one we put up. We get lots of visitors to > our site (stats tell me) but nobody seems to want to leave any messages. > Damm good job I changed my mind on spending $199 US on that bulletin > program, would have been real peeved. > Regards Dave..... > admin@beeworks.com > http://www.beeworks.com > > "Jorn Johanesson" wrote in message > news:917tiu$hjd$1@news.inet.tele.dk... > > I have now installed a chat-room on my url. It should be about beekeeping. > > Please keep it clean. > > > > -- > > Kind regards > > Jorn Johanesson > > Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 > > > > hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software > > full revised and bug tested 10-12-2000 > > > > Now chat-room for beekeeping installed. > > > > home page = HTTP://apimo.dk > > e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > > > > > > > > > > Article 27996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chat room Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:25:51 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 28 Message-ID: <919074$va$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <917tiu$hjd$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip97.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 976749604 1002 195.249.242.97 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27996 "David Eyre" skrev i en meddelelse news:j%RZ5.12163$7.501726@quark.idirect.com... > Hope it gets used more than the one we put up. We get lots of visitors to > our site (stats tell me) but nobody seems to want to leave any messages. It is just a try. I just put up a private chat-room on IRCQ. The real url are http:\\apimo.dk\ircq.htm and is a chatroom setup for a group that I called #beekeeping so if anybody want to link they are very velcome. The benefit here is that you can click on a user and then go into private with him/her -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 10-12-2000 Now chatroom for beekeeping installed. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: patntoby@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mechanical mite control Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:16:42 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <91900j$g22$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.21.2.191 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Dec 13 02:27:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; MSNIA; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.21.2.191 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27997 I'm not a beekeeper now so go easy on me. While reading about the varoa mite problem an idea struck me, I once built some pollen traps out of special 5 squares per inch wire mesh , foraging bees were forced to squeeze through two layers of this mesh to enter the hive, dislodging the pollen pellets. Do you think this would dislodge mites? A framed sheet of mesh or precisely drilled sheet metal could be placed above a super full of brood which is placed at the bottom of the hive, bees would have to go through the screen to move up into the hive, this would also exclude drones.This would probably not eliminate the mites but might limit them somewhat and could be used in conjunction with other methods. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 27998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chat room Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:46:04 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 36 Message-ID: <9191d1$8nh$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <917tiu$hjd$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <918qpt$3ckj2$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip97.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 976750817 8945 195.249.242.97 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27998 "Allen Dick" skrev i en meddelelse news:918qpt$3ckj2$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > I have never come across anyone in any of the bee chat rooms around, and > there are quite a few. I've entered most I've encountered at one time or > another. Could be that people are a little frigthened about this. Most chat-rooms around are just floting with crap. I have tryed to make it private and dedicated beekeepers. > ICQ, I got my chat-room from ICQ, and it is not neded to know any e-mail address or ID as I have set it up. Just visit http://apimo.dk/ircq.htm. This url are not announced elsewhere. > Finding the people you want to meet and excluding those you do not is the I setup as I did, the users are only shown. and you can then select who you want to speak to and create a privata chatroom for that specific user. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 10-12-2000 Now chatroom for beekeeping installed. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apicure & availability Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:40:13 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 6 Message-ID: <9198uh$gvc$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.11.147 X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 976758545 17388 209.23.11.147 (14 Dec 2000 01:49:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Dec 2000 01:49:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27999 Just was at Betterbee and inquired about apicure. They said it probably won't bee available until next fall. Clayton Article 28000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "David Eyre" From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <91900j$g22$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: mechanical mite control Lines: 34 Organization: The Bee Works X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 02:19:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.130.189.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 976760398 206.130.189.225 (Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:19:58 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:19:58 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28000 Good thinking. But it can't get at Varroa under wings etc. Pollen is carried on the back legs, in full view, not hidden under body parts. Regards Dave.... -- ***************************************** The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia. Ontario, Canada. 705 326 7171 admin@beeworks.com http://www.beeworks.com ***************************************** wrote in message news:91900j$g22$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I'm not a beekeeper now so go easy on me. While > reading about the varoa mite problem an idea > struck me, I once built some pollen traps out of > special 5 squares per inch wire mesh , foraging > bees were forced to squeeze through two layers of > this mesh to enter the hive, dislodging the > pollen pellets. Do you think this would dislodge > mites? A framed sheet of mesh or precisely > drilled sheet metal could be placed above a super > full of brood which is placed at the bottom of > the hive, bees would have to go through the > screen to move up into the hive, this would also > exclude drones.This would probably not eliminate > the mites but might limit them somewhat and could > be used in conjunction with other methods. > > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ Article 28001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-2.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USENET Access to sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:20:52 -0700 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <919apn$3bse7$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-2.internode.net (198.161.229.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 976760441 3535303 198.161.229.178 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28001 I notice that quite a few are using Deja.com to access sci.agriculture.beekeeping. I was until recently and found it very slow. There is a free USENET server on the net you can use, no matter what dial-up you use. Try http://news.cis.dfn.de/ allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/ Article 28002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <91e399$560$1@wiscnews.wiscnet.net> <20001215184529.06109.00004866@ng-ck1.aol.com> Subject: Re: toxic pollen Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 03:30:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 976937431 24.13.215.128 (Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:30:31 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:30:31 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28002 Yes that's right...I HAVE heard of rhodidendrons causing an illness in humans...It made them quite nauseous and paranoid as I recall...Can't remember the details, but I do remember reading it...I think the account I read was somewhere in Colorado or some other mountainous region. Scot Mc Pherson RSBrenchley wrote in message news:20001215184529.06109.00004866@ng-ck1.aol.com... > >Does anyone here know if there is a species of flower that is toxic to > >honeybees? > > > > There was a case of bee poisoning on the Scottish isle of Colonsay in 1955, > which was due to the island having been planted with large numbers of > Rhododendron thomsonii. (Ted Hooper, Bees and Honey, Marston House, 4th Ed. > 1997, p. 199) > > Regards, > > Robert Brenchley > > RSBrenchley@aol.com Article 28003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Dec 2000 10:08:17 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: queen rearing Message-ID: <20001214050817.19944.00003685@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28003 It does get complicated--in humans, from what I've read, there is far less probability of defects, even in marriages of first cousins, than has long been promolgated. One's relationship with your brother or sister, is exactly the same ratio as with your parents and your grandparents only have 1/8th the genes (each). Now, with a queen (who has lots of drones giving lots of variety to her "daughters") who is failing, it is possibly that a worker sister could become a mother, "marry" (mate") with her son, and have babies--go figure that relationship. The great ethnologist, Dawkins, writes quite a bit about it ("The Selfish Gene", "River out of Eden", etc.). Article 28004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chat room Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:34:32 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 34 Message-ID: <91aavl$b3l$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <917tiu$hjd$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <918qpt$3ckj2$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <9191d1$8nh$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <919ag9$38os0$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip34.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 976793397 11381 195.215.97.34 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28004 "Allen Dick" skrev i en meddelelse news:919ag9$38os0$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > found no one but me and even waited around a bit, I don't bother anymore. well the same for me. > Maybe you should say when you will be there yourself (in GMT on what day) I will give it a try, and put some of my pocketmoney into it. I will be online in the chat-room one hour from 00.00 GMT Friday, Saturday and Sonday By the way some interest must be out there, I had 10 peoples entering the http://apimo.dk/ircq.htm Yesterday. So if those interested could manage to visit the above mentined time, some of us might be able to say hello. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 10-12-2000 Now chatroom for beekeeping installed. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.online.be!newscore.univie.ac.at!carnet.feed!CARNet.hr!not-for-mail From: "M.Hajak - Homer J." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cream honey Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 21:06:45 +0100 Organization: CARNet, CROATIA Lines: 5 Message-ID: <91j6cv$3kg$1@bagan.srce.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: asy61.jmu.carnet.hr X-Trace: bagan.srce.hr 977083615 3728 193.198.128.61 (17 Dec 2000 20:06:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.carnet.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Dec 2000 20:06:55 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28010 Hi! I¨ am looking for more informations about cream honey and honey creaming on interent. Every web site is more than welcome. Article 28011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A3D2B01.DF9B2387@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Russian Olive Trees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:08:21 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-xDyvl0fKy4kQp7zpeW1AWC1RtZnsMP8ra4P7Yt0CN+0YRKzjy8VcZUlhRd7O2gRFsSuFwi6w5JgE9iR!5cKPW/VC6TxLC9e4TLZhQRA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:07:13 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28011 Yo all: Is there anyone on the list with personal experience with Russian olive trees? I am particularly interested if they are a viable source of nectar and/or pollen. TIA, Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 28012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian Olive Trees Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 01:45:13 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3a3d651a.211329894@news1.radix.net> References: <3A3D2B01.DF9B2387@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p36.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28012 On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:07:13 -0800, "J.F.Hensler" wrote: >Yo all: > >Is there anyone on the list with personal experience with Russian >olive trees? I am particularly interested if they are a viable source >of nectar and/or pollen. > >TIA, > >Skip > They are an excellant early nectar producing plant. Don't be discouraged the first couple of years as the plants don't seem to be very attractive to the bees when they are small. They grow very fast and when in bloom you can hear them before you can see the small flowers. BTW I'm in Southern Maryland. Plants do differently in different areas. beekeep Article 28013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!gemini-int.visi.com.MISMATCH!gemini.dwave.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3A3D2B01.DF9B2387@povn.com> <3a3d651a.211329894@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Russian Olive Trees Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:12:20 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3a3d72d3$0$89531$4bb17d6e@news.dwave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 01f5b878.news.dwave.net X-Trace: 977105620 gemini.dwave.net 89531 206.176.223.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@dwave.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28013 "beekeep" wrote in message news:3a3d651a.211329894@news1.radix.net... > On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:07:13 -0800, "J.F.Hensler" > wrote: > They are an excellant early nectar producing plant. Don't be > discouraged the first couple of years as the plants don't seem to be > very attractive to the bees when they are small. They grow very fast > and when in bloom you can hear them before you can see the small > flowers. > BTW I'm in Southern Maryland. Plants do differently in different > areas. Does anyone know if these plants (Russian Olive Trees) grow in the Midwest South Central Wisconsin? Thank you for your reply. Article 28014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Labels Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:49:36 -0600 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3A34E980.21C15257@okstate.edu> References: <9ITW5.45942$nh5.3310979@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3A2C4899.AAF5B17C@gte.net> <90hima$179fq$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <90lgq5$c24$0@63.68.71.169> <3A2FE16E.9B309D00@bms.com> Reply-To: gpjohns@okstate.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: x8b4e76ed.dhcp.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28014 Jesse Hunter wrote: > you can also spray labels with lacquer. This will keep the waterbed inks from > running and smearing when they get wet. I must confess that I'm perplexed about the worry of your label's inks running when wet. I use Avery pressure sensitive labels and if I had to hazard a guess I would say my inks are NOT waterproof. But I haven't had any problems with smearing or such. In fact why would you need to worry about water when you should be making the effort to keep the labels (and bottled product) dry? Admitedly I am not as big a producer as Allen or others (in fact I'm quite small at the moment...only 3 hives), but I do understand marketing procedures and such since that is my principal day job. So I must ask the question...What am I missing here? Gary J. > > > Article 28015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: owner of beekeeping homepages Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:37:40 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 61 Message-ID: <91l04k$scs$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip76.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 977142740 29084 195.249.242.76 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28015 I have now been watching my web log for some days, and I have seen tat there is some interest in a beekeeping chat-room. It is though not that interesting to chat with one self, so I suggest that all with a beekeeping homepage are using the following Java applet. It will give a lot more traffic to the chat-room I think. The chat-room is not at my server, but at IrCQnet. The keyword firstjoin is triggering a chat-room. this chat-room will be established if not already there, otherwise it will join the room. You don't need to be member of ICQ to use the applet.

How to use this chat-room!

When the chat-room has loaded you can write your text at the cursor below the color line and then press the enter key. This will bring your text into the chat-board. You can change your Nick name. And if you are tired of participating here, then you can choose another chat-room. You can also click on a current user and then establish a private chat with him/her.


-- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 10-12-2000 Now chatroom for beekeeping installed. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Web Pages Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:52:15 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-8uZOoLNjet8D/GsPC+cF3Lsz5zB+UsM7HuJY4OiW7lCHzFiKvkFYHfrbFiSj/IMY2jNz5+Ez2tVRg2Q!UlPbfa/Aqm8dThlizWqgpXSEaQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:52:15 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28016 Hello everyone, I've noticed that some of you have web pages. I know a couple of them. It would be great if all of you with web pages could respond to this message with your web address. Thanks Mark Article 28017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-1.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Labels Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:33:59 -0700 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <91laqq$4g7oc$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <9ITW5.45942$nh5.3310979@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3A2C4899.AAF5B17C@gte.net> <90hima$179fq$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <90lgq5$c24$0@63.68.71.169> <3A2FE16E.9B309D00@bms.com> <3A34E980.21C15257@okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-1.internode.net (198.161.229.177) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 977153691 4726540 198.161.229.177 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28017 > I must confess that I'm perplexed about the worry of your label's inks running when > wet. I use Avery pressure sensitive labels and if I had to hazard a guess I would > say my inks are NOT waterproof. But I haven't had any problems with smearing or > such. In fact why would you need to worry about water when you should be making the > effort to keep the labels (and bottled product) dry? People who go to markets and display product often have to wash or wipe jars and pails clean. So do grocers if the product sticky from something else breaking nearby. It does happen. Jars also sweat when taken from the cold into a humid place -- like a customer's kitchen. Having a product that can withstand water is simply one of the many little things we do to make a professional product. Moreover, if you want your customer to come back to you, the product should stay respectable-looking in her kitchen and withstand being wiped several times during the product life. At the end -- when the bottom of the jar or pail is showing -- you want here to be able to recognise your product and find you name and maybe address and phone. One of the best investments we ever made in advertising was silk-screening our label onto white pails. I've even seen one on TV programs showing a farmer 1,000 miles away watering her goats. But, I confess, this was not my main worry here. I bottle mead for my own use and bottles often sweat or drip a little. Running ink can be ugly. I use plain paper and a glue stick. Maybe more expensive stock would help, but then, maybe not. Besides, wine labels are typically plain paper not fancy label stock and I try to emulate the authentic cheap label look. allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 28018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A3E5AC7.B42AEFAA@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian Olive Trees References: <3A3D2B01.DF9B2387@povn.com> <3a3d651a.211329894@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:44:30 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-COiG0Q89aVsCup/bcIok7lonbbJ+l3/nCcdj7KHy+DWMbwrdOW3RiGOLN4SYdOKfYOdjmm4ExAnNjeY!bv9UbJjlyv3Jv1hchK/o0H8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:44:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28018 Thanks for the reply. Does anyone from farther North have anything to add? Skip I asked: > >Is there anyone on the list with personal experience with Russian > >olive trees? I am particularly interested if they are a viable source > >of nectar and/or pollen. beekeep wrote: > They are an excellant early nectar producing plant. Don't be > discouraged the first couple of years as the plants don't seem to be > very attractive to the bees when they are small. They grow very fast > and when in bloom you can hear them before you can see the small > flowers. > > BTW I'm in Southern Maryland. Plants do differently in different > areas. Article 28019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3A2F3F24.DEB55EE1@vz-nrw.de> Subject: SV: Bilder von Bienenkrankheiten Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.181.78 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 977174924 212.151.181.78 (Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:28:44 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:28:44 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-181-78.swipnet.se Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:32:10 +0100 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28019 Danke! Gute Bilder, aber wozu den dicken Kuss? (sich abtrocknend) ; ) Doris Article 28020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!192.71.180.34!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <917tiu$hjd$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <918qpt$3ckj2$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <9191d1$8nh$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <919ag9$38os0$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <91aavl$b3l$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <91aivb$3ebbc$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <91aoqm$ibk$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Subject: SV: chat room Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <6tv%5.92$9h5.230@nntpserver.swip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.181.78 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 977175490 212.151.181.78 (Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:38:10 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:38:10 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-181-78.swipnet.se Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:41:37 +0100 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28020 Hi! I was away this weekend. What happened? Did it work? Doris Article 28021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!news.uiowa.edu!black.weeg.uiowa.edu!mcicha From: "Michael Z. Cicha" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian Olive Trees Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:48:49 -0600 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <3A3D2B01.DF9B2387@povn.com> <3a3d651a.211329894@news1.radix.net> <3A3E5AC7.B42AEFAA@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: black.weeg.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: flood.weeg.uiowa.edu 977172531 10104 128.255.56.4 (18 Dec 2000 20:48:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uiowa.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Dec 2000 20:48:51 GMT X-X-Sender: In-Reply-To: <3A3E5AC7.B42AEFAA@povn.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28021 On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, J.F.Hensler wrote: > Thanks for the reply. Does anyone from farther North have anything to > add? > > Skip > Russian Olives are amazingly hardy trees. They grow well here in Iowa, and grow well near the Canadian Border, where I grew up. They tend to be a bit smaller the further north you go. Bees do love them, people may love them less, as their fragrance is strong and not to everyone's taste. Michael Cicha Iowa City, Iowa Zone 5A > > I asked: > > > >Is there anyone on the list with personal experience with Russian > > >olive trees? I am particularly interested if they are a viable source > > >of nectar and/or pollen. > > beekeep wrote: > > > They are an excellant early nectar producing plant. Don't be > > discouraged the first couple of years as the plants don't seem to be > > very attractive to the bees when they are small. They grow very fast > > and when in bloom you can hear them before you can see the small > > flowers. > > > > BTW I'm in Southern Maryland. Plants do differently in different > > areas. > Article 28022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.91!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian Olive Trees Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:21:36 -0600 Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <3A3D2B01.DF9B2387@povn.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.91 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 977177949 4426988 216.167.138.91 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28022 >Is there anyone on the list with personal experience with Russian >olive trees? They tend to bloom in a great profusion of yellow flowers and give off a wonderful and romantic scent, especially at night. They are therefore a great tree to plant near your patio for those warm Spring nights sipping a Julep between love poems by Naruda. I made a few gallons of that honey from an area of about 40 acres that contained maybe a hundred or so trees. The honey has a pleasant enough flavor, not particularly fragrant, but weird in the sense it has almost no colour, it's almost clear. It also has a bizarre 'thixotropic' characteristic, and seems very 'thick' after sitting in the bottle a while, it's strange stuff, probably not easy to sell. That time however, I did sell all of it because of a technicality; one of the hives was in the backyard of the (then) local Catholic Bishop. The Bishop had his close followers that thought the honey would have special qualities, rather like Edward the Confessor's bath water. When I put out the word it went fast. Might be a good marketing tool in these flourishing days of ignorance and superstition. As regard the Russian Olive, they are extremely cold and drought hardy, and can flourish in bad soils, even alkaline. However, it sounds like where you live, (Washington state) would depend on which side of the mountain you were on, Seattle would be way too much rain for Russian Olives, maybe if you're closer to the Idaho line, that would work.. I know they produce a lot of 'irrigated' apples from Washington, but they're not very good for that reason. Sorry. C.K. Article 28023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!207.207.0.26!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A3EB0AC.CA941EF1@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian Olive Trees References: <3A3D2B01.DF9B2387@povn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:51:02 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-VtLCekyAw370S5x29eRFVTxb/XRH1ll+b1Dd5PzzlgZFVliYSgVlQRjtw5PobOIbIAT8iJ4bt6jNVYU!5rbde9SaaDIh42I4L1Lakek= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:51:02 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28023 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > They tend to bloom in a great profusion of yellow flowers and give off a > wonderful and romantic scent, especially at night. They are therefore a > great tree to plant near your patio for those warm Spring nights sipping a > Julep between love poems by Naruda. > > I made a few gallons of that honey from an area of about 40 acres that > contained maybe a hundred or so trees. The honey has a pleasant enough > flavor, not particularly fragrant, but weird in the sense it has almost no > colour, it's almost clear. It also has a bizarre 'thixotropic' characteristic, > and seems very 'thick' after sitting in the bottle a while, it's strange > stuff, probably not easy to sell. > As regard the Russian Olive, they are extremely cold and drought hardy, and > can flourish in bad soils, even alkaline. However, it sounds like where you > live, (Washington state) would depend on which side of the mountain you were > on, Seattle would be way too much rain for Russian Olives, maybe if you're > closer to the Idaho line, that would work.. Thanks for the info Charlie. It sounds like the honey would be fine for the early Spring buildup though. I checked back through every bee book and URL I could think of and couldn't come up with even one that listed Russian olives as a viable source of either nectar or pollen. We ain't got no guy named Naruda living in our neighborhood and my taste leans more toward home brew, but I do have one additional question for you. I have heard from others that the Russian olive is consider to be an invasive plant in some areas while in other, more Northerly climes, it *may* not spread as readily. You don't mention what part of the country your experience with the tree is based on, but the fact that you have a hundred or so trees in a forty area tract would seem to indicate that they don't stay where put where you are? BTW, Wash. state has three separate and distinct climates. Most everybody thinks of the coastal area when the state comes to mind but in fact that represents less than one-third of the land area (although most of the population and probably gets 90% of the rain.) Most of the middle of the state is arid, and without the Columbia Basin irrigation project would be considered desert. We are in the eastern third, which is a Piedmont type habitat with temps to minus 20-25 F and lots of snow during the Winter, but approx. three months of drought from July on. The spot I would like to plant the olives is very poor, sandy soil where irrigation would be out of the question. The fact that the olives are extremely hardy is a big point in their favor. If they would have a tendency to spread onto my neighbors creek bottom, that would be a big point against them... Skip Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 28024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chat room Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:34:50 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 30 Message-ID: <91mdkl$s9g$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <917tiu$hjd$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <918qpt$3ckj2$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <9191d1$8nh$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <919ag9$38os0$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <91aavl$b3l$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <91aivb$3ebbc$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <91aoqm$ibk$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <6tv%5.92$9h5.230@nntpserver.swip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip76.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 977189333 28976 195.249.242.76 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28024 "STIG HANSSON" skrev i en meddelelse news:6tv%5.92$9h5.230@nntpserver.swip.net... > Hi! > I was away this weekend. What happened? Did it work? > Doris So far it worked for me. I had one chat with usa, one from canada and one from australia. The one I got from Australia was very slow working so we gave up, but the other went smoth. Becouse I am not having a lot of visitors my url cant cover the whole day, so I have asked more webs to join in. If they implement it into their web, and all do it we might get a resonable flow in this. But it is up to web owners. I will let my implemantation stay. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 10-12-2000 Now chatroom for beekeeping installed. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "David Eyre" From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Beekeeping Web Pages Lines: 29 Organization: The Bee Works X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:36:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.130.189.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 977193382 206.130.189.206 (Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:36:22 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:36:22 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28025 Sure. http://www.beeworks.com/index.ktm -- ***************************************** The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia. Ontario, Canada. 705 326 7171 admin@beeworks.com http://www.beeworks.com ***************************************** "Mark" wrote in message news:zwp%5.104808$IP1.3456151@news1.giganews.com... > Hello everyone, > > I've noticed that some of you have web pages. I know a couple of them. It > would be great if all of you with web pages could respond to this message > with your web address. > > Thanks > Mark > > > Article 28026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "David Eyre" From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re. Labels. Lines: 17 Organization: The Bee Works X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <0Xz%5.14083$7.607380@quark.idirect.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:43:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.130.189.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 977193788 206.130.189.206 (Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:43:08 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:43:08 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28026 There are constant posts regarding labels, so, for those who need them I have added a page of the most popular ones we handle.Just come and look at the prices!!! http://www.beeworks.com Go to the On-Line shopping area, and then look for 'Labels' Happy holidays "everyone". Regards Dave.....-- ***************************************** The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia. Ontario, Canada. 705 326 7171 admin@beeworks.com http://www.beeworks.com ***************************************** Article 28027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Robert Talk" From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Beekeeping Web Pages Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:54:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.27.124.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 977194440 24.27.124.88 (Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:54:00 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:54:00 CST Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28027 Beetalk http://beetalk.tripod.com "Mark" wrote in message news:zwp%5.104808$IP1.3456151@news1.giganews.com... > Hello everyone, > > I've noticed that some of you have web pages. I know a couple of them. It > would be great if all of you with web pages could respond to this message > with your web address. > > Thanks > Mark > > > Article 28028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new list Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:51:29 -0600 Lines: 11 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb1+/NtHlTQFe7mD3TACn4VKApTFPoNE9gYkZkCKi8wrgyeVCeKZrO+ X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Dec 2000 04:52:25 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28028 Howdy - Just to let you know, if you have an interest in a more in depth discussion on biological beekeeping, there is now a dedicated list for such discussion. http://www.bee-l.com/biobeel.htm Regards, Barry Article 28029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wireing Foundation Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:43:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <91o37l$2qu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A36DE42.EAB947CF@gte.net> <91bim6$j50$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91d1jg$mvn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91e4h6$lu8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Dec 19 16:43:34 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; EDS COE v2000.2) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28029 In article <91e4h6$lu8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pete wrote: > > > > Wow Pete!!! I'm glad to read that. To prevent bowing I bent each > > one of the hooks to a more acute angle before nailing on the cleat. > > That usually meant having a few of them stick into my thumb. Your idea > > of the nails sounds great. But aren't you talking about nailing them > > vertically into the top bar? > > > Sincerely, > > Herb > ************************************************************** > > Howdy Herb -- > > Nailing the cleat horizontally puts pinch pressure on the sheet of > foundation to hold it against the part of the top bar not removed as a > cleat. Vertical nailing makes it hard to hold the cleat firmly enough > in place to hold it securely. > > Pete Never had a problem with holding the cleat firmly enough in place. Put the wired foundation in, turn the frame upside down, place the cleat in place pressing firmly against the remaining portion of the top bar, and hammer in the nails at an angle and partially in. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question Manufacturers Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:33:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 977232817 24.13.215.128 (Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:33:37 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:33:37 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28030 I have a question for all the beekeepers on the list...We all know that there are some slight differences between manufactures hives parts, and that one is "advised" to stick with the same manufacturer. Well I am curious as to which is the most popular... Also which foundations are you using for the various parts of your hive? Duragilt(R), RiteCell(R), wired foundation? And why I appreciate all responses. Scot Mc Pherson Article 28031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Beekeeping Web Pages Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:08:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 977256521 204.186.180.106 (Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:08:41 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:08:41 EST Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28031 http://www.draperbee.com/ "Mark" wrote in message news:zwp%5.104808$IP1.3456151@news1.giganews.com... > Hello everyone, > > I've noticed that some of you have web pages. I know a couple of them. It > would be great if all of you with web pages could respond to this message > with your web address. > > Thanks > Mark > > > Article 28032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <91j6cv$3kg$1@bagan.srce.hr> Subject: Re: Cream honey Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <6iP%5.728$kb.43508@nnrp1.ptd.net> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:11:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 977256706 204.186.180.106 (Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:11:46 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:11:46 EST Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28032 http://www.draperbee.com/catalog/page1.htm "M.Hajak - Homer J." wrote in message news:91j6cv$3kg$1@bagan.srce.hr... > Hi! > I¨ am looking for more informations about cream honey and honey creaming on > interent. Every web site is more than welcome. > > Article 28033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kgbenson@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Taper molds Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:34:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <91o67j$5m3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <91bk3j$k9q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91bri7$3r4t6$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <91d251$3uprk$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.160.187 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Dec 19 17:34:43 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.80.160.187 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkgbenson Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28033 This sounded custom-made for the person who enquired. > Who knows, maybe he has already made a few. It can be that quick and simple > if you don't have to obtain molds and other supplies. While I had thought that the molds would be the easiest route - I think I will give the dipping a try - sounds like fun. Thanks to all who replied. Keith Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!avalon.net!norand.com!news.uiowa.edu!green.weeg.uiowa.edu!mcicha From: "Michael Z. Cicha" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian Olive Trees Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:43:58 -0600 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3A3D2B01.DF9B2387@povn.com> <3A3EB0AC.CA941EF1@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: green.weeg.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: flood.weeg.uiowa.edu 977240640 21568 128.255.56.25 (19 Dec 2000 15:44:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uiowa.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Dec 2000 15:44:00 GMT X-X-Sender: In-Reply-To: <3A3EB0AC.CA941EF1@povn.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28034 > > As regard the Russian Olive, they are extremely cold and drought hardy, and > > can flourish in bad soils, even alkaline. However, it sounds like where you > > live, (Washington state) would depend on which side of the mountain you were > > on, Seattle would be way too much rain for Russian Olives, maybe if you're > > closer to the Idaho line, that would work.. Again, they do fine in North Dakota, where the temperatures range from -30 to 100+ degrees F through the year. Soils are very alkaline, and rain totals are 12-18" a year. > I have heard from others that the Russian olive is > consider to be an invasive plant in some areas while in other, more > Northerly climes, it *may* not spread as readily. You don't mention > what part of the country your experience with the tree is based on, > but the fact that you have a hundred or so trees in a forty area tract > would seem to indicate that they don't stay where put where you are? > We are in the eastern third, > which is a Piedmont type habitat with temps to minus 20-25 F and lots > of snow during the Winter, but approx. three months of drought from > July on. The spot I would like to plant the olives is very poor, > sandy soil where irrigation would be out of the question. The fact > that the olives are extremely hardy is a big point in their favor. If > they would have a tendency to spread onto my neighbors creek bottom, > that would be a big point against them... I have not seen them growing invasively. Certainly not in North Dakota, where shelterbelts planted with russian olives are still in nice straight rows 50 years later. And in Iowa, a much more temperate climate, I have never seen them in large numbers, though I have seen quite a few of them. I have seen old individual trees in abandoned farmsteads that are still single trees, not a grove, after 20 years of being left alone. Michael Cicha Iowa City, Iowa Zone 5A Article 28035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: medea_the_modest@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,sci.bio,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics.greens Subject: Bees DO DEFINITELY carry RABIES Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:57:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 158 Message-ID: <91osln$qbg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a37aba1.3150651@news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.123.191.70 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Dec 19 23:57:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.08 [en] (Win95; U ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 149.123.191.70 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmedea_the_modest Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:84 sci.bio:2599 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28035 alt.politics.greens:79114 RE: http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html and RE: http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html I thought EVERYONE by now knew that bees and wasps can carry rabies and that they often share the same nesting sites with rabid rats, bats, and other infectees. Here are two websites for those who don't already have a FULL "favorites" list on their "Bookmarks" for just these kinda links. http://www.yolocounty.org/org/Health/eh/general/bitesandvectors.htm http://phuket-guide.com/Travel_Guide/Health_Guide/bites/ F.M. I know from first hand experience. I thank my doctor for having known and for having helped me. Thank you Yolo County Health department. And by the way, why is it not universally known that honey is by and large mostly composed of ash, postassium, and silicates (silicon). It is the plant pollen that is trapped in this nasty matrix that is healthy and not the giant bee sphere/globule we call honey holding them [plant pollens] in confinement. What's up with this? In article , "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote: > Yeah I read the whole thing and it was interesting, but yes....Bees weren't > even mentioned in text let alone the clue eluding to bees solving or > carrying or the whatever of Rabies. > > Scot Mc Pherson > > Merry Lil Baker wrote in message > news:3a37aba1.3150651@news.erols.com... > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:02:30 GMT, frothymouth@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > Please forgive this blatant top posting faux pas, but I simply could not > > bring myself to scroll to the bottom this biting satire, er, I mean > > enlightening manuscript to leave a simple message: > > > > What the f*ck does this have to do with bees? It also begs the question: > > Do bees get rabies or cause rabies? > > > > Inquiring minds would like to troll, er, know. Any biters? > > > > >RE: http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html > > > > > >Rabies is peculiar because the body may seem paralyzed, or even DEAD, > > >yet the central nervous system is ALARMINGLY excited. > > > > > >If an infected or bitten person is not treated within 24 hours with a > > >vaccine or serum, the PARALYSIS that mimics death [mentioned above] is > > >almost certain. > > > > > >Most importantly, RABIES viral glycoprotein attaches to the NICOTINIC > > >acetylcholine receptor of the skeletal muscle and viral replication > > >occurs in the myocytes. > > > > > >To most of the world, vampires are the stuff of movies and the cause of > > >an unsettling shiver when passing by a cemetery late at night. But to > > >scientists, Dracula and his bloodthirsty brethren are an old myth just > > >begging for a 20th century explanation. > > > > > >In an age of electron microscopes and MRIs, the vampire remains the > > >focus of a surprising amount of scientific speculation. Type the > > >word "vampire" into Medline or any other medical database and several > > >dozen references turn up. > > > > > >Although several diseases have been offered as explanations, two come > > >up most often: RABIES and a group of blood disorders called porphyrias. > > >Of these two, RABIES is the focus of the most recent scientific > > >explanation. > > > > > >RABIES VICTIMS > > > > > >In the September 1998 journal Neurology, Spanish physician Juan Gomez- > > >Alonso proposed that vampires were really victims of a type of rabies > > >called FURIOUS RABIES. > > > > > >FURIOUS RABIES usually is transferred to humans by an animal bite, > > >Gomez-Alonso writes. That matches folklore of how vampires attacked. In > > >certain cases, symptoms of furious RABIES closely match traits > > >typically ascribed to vampires, including clenched teeth, retracted > > >lips, hypersexuality, frothing at the mouth and vomiting of bloody > > >fluids. Victims of furious rabies also are known to be highly > > >excitable, especially around mirrors, and to rush at those who approach > > >and try to bite them. > > > > > >"Much evidence supports that RABIES could have played a key role in the > > >generation of the vampire legend," Gomez-Alonso writes. > > > > > >Other proponents of the rabies theory have made public their ideas in > > >medical journals. In a letter published in the Annals of Internal > > >Medicine in 1992, a Denmark physician concluded that the vampire of > > >legend "could very well have been a poor, rabid peasant with RABIES." > > > > > >Although not a vampire enthusiast, rabies expert Dr. Tim Schacker of > > >the University of Minnesota says RABIES is an interesting take on > > >vampires. "It's a reasonable hypothesis," he said. "It'll never be > > >proven, but why not consider it? Many viral infections have been around > > >since antiquity." > > > > > > > > >In article <910kg4$o61$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > > > lady_hillary@my-deja.com wrote: > > >> RE: > > >> > > >> http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html > > >> > > >> I found the above website extremely informative and easy to follow the > > >> format. Did you really have problems waiting on the site to download > > >> its graphics? I waited 3.7 seconds. For a good website I'm willing > > >to > > >> wait up to 60 seconds, the same amount of time that a TV ad drones on. > > >> Usually 3 or 4 ads, actually, in a row for up to 4 minutes, of waiting > > >> for the news to return. > > > > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com > > >http://www.deja.com/ > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.116!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian Olive Trees Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:11:01 -0600 Lines: 49 Message-ID: <85pv3tgah9c0lbnemlq944rnsjuh9tas1e@4ax.com> References: <3A3D2B01.DF9B2387@povn.com> <3A3EB0AC.CA941EF1@povn.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.116 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 977267462 5200795 216.167.138.116 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28036 > I do have one additional >question for you. I have heard from others that the Russian olive is >consider to be an invasive plant That's not the case with the Russian Olives. You were probably hearing someone who was on about various 'locust' trees. We have a Honey Locust and it puts up new trees from suckers all the time; Black Locust do this too, and produce seeds. They're very invasive. The only Russian Olives that spread will be from birds that eat the little olives produced and spread the seed that way. The seeds are easy to sprout so that's probably why it may have got the reputation you mention. > You don't mention >what part of the country your experience with the tree is based on, >but the fact that you have a hundred or so trees in a forty area tract >would seem to indicate that they don't stay where put where you are? I live on the Western edge of Palo Duro Canyon, south of Amarillo, Texas. The soil is thoroughly depleted this close to the edge, where cliche and limestone outcrop at the top of the canyon. The soil isn't so good even further up on the prairie where it tends to be very silty with little clay, and no organic material. The plants on the prairie that grow here do alright as there is a thriving worm population just under the grass roots. If and when it rains, they will emerge and deposit a lot of organic cast on the surface. The place I talked about with all the Russian Olives was in North Amarillo. The trees mentioned were actually planted within the Catholic Diocese's 40 acres there. They planted other trees like Chinese Pistachio, and conifers various, but the Russian Olives are the main tree for nectar. > If >they would have a tendency to spread onto my neighbors creek bottom, >that would be a big point against them.. Well they will spread, however they grow and spread very slowly and it's more than likely your neighbors will all be dead by the time they notice any 'invasion.' So my advice if you're a beekeeper, and like hardy trees that produce a nice fragrant bloom, Russian Olives are not a bad choice. Lastly, the weather: We get anywhere from 10 to 25 inches of rain. Over the long term the averages look better than it feels. Recently we've had both extremes in less than five years. Currently we're in a bad pattern of hot dry summers and cold dry winters. Vegetation is suffering and looks pretty bad. C.K. Article 28037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com> <91os1q$pp0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Proof: bees carry rabies QED Lines: 52 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:41:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.206.66 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 977272863 12.72.206.66 (Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:41:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:41:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:85 alt.war:65957 alt.alien.visitors:330763 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28037 You're an idiot. From the first page you list: "Rabies can be transmitted by the bite of warm blooded animals and is potentially fatal to humans when bites are not properly and quickly handled and followed-up by health and medical personnel." Have you discovered a species of bees that is a mammal? Insects (of which bees are included) are sited on the site in the definition of "vector", not as carrying rabies. And from the second page: "Animal and Insect Bites " "The principal risk here is rabies from dog bites, but other animals and insects pose a threat as well." Familiar with the concept of context? Notice it does not say "but other animals and insects pose a threat of rabies as well." I also don't consider a travel site for Phuket any kind of credible support of your claim. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:91os1q$pp0$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > I thought EVERYONE by now knew that bees and wasps can carry rabies and > that they often share the same nesting sites with rabit rats, bats, and > other infectees. > > Here are two websites for those who don't already have a FULL > "favorites" list on their "Bookmarks". > > http://www.yolocounty.org/org/Health/eh/general/bitesandvectors.htm > http://phuket-guide.com/Travel_Guide/Health_Guide/bites/ > > F.M. > > I know from first hand experience. I thank my doctor for having known > and for having helped me. Thank you Yolo County Health department. > Article 28038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: fermented_blood@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Proof: bees carry rabies QED Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:47:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 91 Message-ID: <91os1q$pp0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.123.191.70 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Dec 19 23:47:08 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.08 [en] (Win95; U ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 149.123.191.70 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDfermented_blood Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:86 alt.war:65958 alt.alien.visitors:330764 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28038 I thought EVERYONE by now knew that bees and wasps can carry rabies and that they often share the same nesting sites with rabit rats, bats, and other infectees. Here are two websites for those who don't already have a FULL "favorites" list on their "Bookmarks". http://www.yolocounty.org/org/Health/eh/general/bitesandvectors.htm http://phuket-guide.com/Travel_Guide/Health_Guide/bites/ F.M. I know from first hand experience. I thank my doctor for having known and for having helped me. Thank you Yolo County Health department. In article <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com>, ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > >Rabies is peculiar because the body may seem paralyzed, or even DEAD, > >yet the central nervous system is ALARMINGLY excited. > > I daresay this is crap, prove it; site medical publications on the net to > which you refer, with page numbers. > > > death [mentioned above] is > >almost certain. > > Yes rabies without treatment is certain death, however, I think there was only > one recorded 'survival' of a small child that had begun to show the symptoms > of Rabies, a remarkable story. > > >But to > >scientists, Dracula and his bloodthirsty brethren are an old myth just > >begging for a 20th century explanation. > > Is that right? Bet you can't name three 'scientist' that think that. Are > these the new 'corporate' sponsored scientist we hear so much of these days? > > >In an age of electron microscopes and MRIs, the vampire remains the > >focus of a surprising amount of scientific speculation. > > I doubt it, but if it were so it is because we live in a dark age where > learning has been replaced with 'success.' Just because a large part of the > population can operate a VCR, doesn't make them more civilized than a medieval > peasant. > > >"Much evidence supports that RABIES could have played a key role in the > >generation of the vampire legend," Gomez-Alonso writes. > > complete drivel. > > >In a letter published in the Annals of Internal > >Medicine in 1992, a Denmark physician > > Name dates and publications of these 'Annals" and the Danish Physician give > out URL's and substantiate claims. > > >Although not a vampire enthusiast, rabies expert Dr. Tim Schacker of > >the University of Minnesota says RABIES is an interesting take on > >vampires. > > Let us have the location of the venerable Dr. Tim's publication speculating > upon his connection of Rabies and the Dark One. > > 'frothymouth' I didn't see any references to bees as regards the title of your > post. Where were the 'clues.' Did you forget to include a paragraph? > > Lastly, are you a reporter for the New York Times magazine? > > C.K. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A3FFE22.6E027676@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Manufacturers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 X-Trace: /KtlGRD1Fuf61w67eitGAKOs0NlcQsVn5upvEqG5+y58f2TcQMi+kmxNNhDAxEbEw9XWJazhSXO5!Ht02FldEM2W/Ht7tjSjsnNUPKuUqs+XUkm42cPBb0cPZsKJNAqBzlzxmYl4sLA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:31:20 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:31:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28039 After much debate with myself I've decided to stick with CellRite in the brood chambers and use crimped wire w/o hooks in my medium supers. CellRie is nice because a lazy person like myself can buy pre assembled frames from Mann Lake or B and B Honey ( this is where I've purchased in past). I had some problems with it in my honey supers this past year( with the auto uncapper riping off sections of comb) so I'm changing to crimped wire in them. Scot Mc Pherson wrote: > I have a question for all the beekeepers on the list...We all know that > there are some slight differences between manufactures hives parts, and that > one is "advised" to stick with the same manufacturer. Well I am curious as > to which is the most popular... > > Also which foundations are you using for the various parts of your hive? > > Duragilt(R), RiteCell(R), wired foundation? And why > > I appreciate all responses. > > Scot Mc Pherson Article 28040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A3FFE8B.C585A8C@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,sci.bio,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics.greens Subject: Re: Bees DO DEFINITELY carry RABIES References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a37aba1.3150651@news.erols.com> <91osln$qbg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 162 X-Trace: /wzJ5tTOJWUheQpP1I4k5G+3vYfW26tJWGL8xLI6nsB1t7HaU6dPbnzxp5xDyopD5qV2XdkMQmXt!lEooDE15bWvp8Dajcdwvj4TwwdQeYEjy5iq2FY91ugn69pR6j7Enjd2+oW3eOQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:33:02 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:33:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:87 sci.bio:2602 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28040 alt.politics.greens:79124 Thats news to me. Been stung many a time and not foaming at the mouth yet. medea_the_modest@my-deja.com wrote: > RE: http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html > > and > > RE: http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html > > I thought EVERYONE by now knew that bees and wasps can carry rabies and > that they often share the same nesting sites with rabid rats, bats, and > other infectees. > > Here are two websites for those who don't already have a FULL > "favorites" list on their "Bookmarks" for just these kinda links. > > http://www.yolocounty.org/org/Health/eh/general/bitesandvectors.htm > > http://phuket-guide.com/Travel_Guide/Health_Guide/bites/ > > F.M. > > I know from first hand experience. I thank my doctor for having known > and for having helped me. Thank you Yolo County Health department. > > And by the way, why is it not universally known that honey is by and > large mostly composed of ash, postassium, and silicates (silicon). It > is the plant pollen that is trapped in this nasty matrix that is healthy > and not the giant bee sphere/globule we call honey holding them > [plant pollens] in confinement. What's up with this? > > In article , > "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote: > > Yeah I read the whole thing and it was interesting, but yes....Bees > weren't > > even mentioned in text let alone the clue eluding to bees solving or > > carrying or the whatever of Rabies. > > > > Scot Mc Pherson > > > > Merry Lil Baker wrote in message > > news:3a37aba1.3150651@news.erols.com... > > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:02:30 GMT, frothymouth@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > > > Please forgive this blatant top posting faux pas, but I simply > could not > > > bring myself to scroll to the bottom this biting satire, er, I mean > > > enlightening manuscript to leave a simple message: > > > > > > What the f*ck does this have to do with bees? It also begs the > question: > > > Do bees get rabies or cause rabies? > > > > > > Inquiring minds would like to troll, er, know. Any biters? > > > > > > >RE: http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html > > > > > > > >Rabies is peculiar because the body may seem paralyzed, or even > DEAD, > > > >yet the central nervous system is ALARMINGLY excited. > > > > > > > >If an infected or bitten person is not treated within 24 hours with > a > > > >vaccine or serum, the PARALYSIS that mimics death [mentioned above] > is > > > >almost certain. > > > > > > > >Most importantly, RABIES viral glycoprotein attaches to the > NICOTINIC > > > >acetylcholine receptor of the skeletal muscle and viral replication > > > >occurs in the myocytes. > > > > > > > >To most of the world, vampires are the stuff of movies and the > cause of > > > >an unsettling shiver when passing by a cemetery late at night. But > to > > > >scientists, Dracula and his bloodthirsty brethren are an old myth > just > > > >begging for a 20th century explanation. > > > > > > > >In an age of electron microscopes and MRIs, the vampire remains the > > > >focus of a surprising amount of scientific speculation. Type the > > > >word "vampire" into Medline or any other medical database and > several > > > >dozen references turn up. > > > > > > > >Although several diseases have been offered as explanations, two > come > > > >up most often: RABIES and a group of blood disorders called > porphyrias. > > > >Of these two, RABIES is the focus of the most recent scientific > > > >explanation. > > > > > > > >RABIES VICTIMS > > > > > > > >In the September 1998 journal Neurology, Spanish physician Juan > Gomez- > > > >Alonso proposed that vampires were really victims of a type of > rabies > > > >called FURIOUS RABIES. > > > > > > > >FURIOUS RABIES usually is transferred to humans by an animal bite, > > > >Gomez-Alonso writes. That matches folklore of how vampires > attacked. In > > > >certain cases, symptoms of furious RABIES closely match traits > > > >typically ascribed to vampires, including clenched teeth, retracted > > > >lips, hypersexuality, frothing at the mouth and vomiting of bloody > > > >fluids. Victims of furious rabies also are known to be highly > > > >excitable, especially around mirrors, and to rush at those who > approach > > > >and try to bite them. > > > > > > > >"Much evidence supports that RABIES could have played a key role in > the > > > >generation of the vampire legend," Gomez-Alonso writes. > > > > > > > >Other proponents of the rabies theory have made public their ideas > in > > > >medical journals. In a letter published in the Annals of Internal > > > >Medicine in 1992, a Denmark physician concluded that the vampire of > > > >legend "could very well have been a poor, rabid peasant with > RABIES." > > > > > > > >Although not a vampire enthusiast, rabies expert Dr. Tim Schacker > of > > > >the University of Minnesota says RABIES is an interesting take on > > > >vampires. "It's a reasonable hypothesis," he said. "It'll never be > > > >proven, but why not consider it? Many viral infections have been > around > > > >since antiquity." > > > > > > > > > > > >In article <910kg4$o61$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > > > > lady_hillary@my-deja.com wrote: > > > >> RE: > > > >> > > > >> http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html > > > >> > > > >> I found the above website extremely informative and easy to > follow the > > > >> format. Did you really have problems waiting on the site to > download > > > >> its graphics? I waited 3.7 seconds. For a good website I'm > willing > > > >to > > > >> wait up to 60 seconds, the same amount of time that a TV ad > drones on. > > > >> Usually 3 or 4 ads, actually, in a row for up to 4 minutes, of > waiting > > > >> for the news to return. > > > > > > > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com > > > >http://www.deja.com/ > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ Article 28041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: cetaceandragon@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rabies & Insect vector CLEARLY STATED Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:31:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 100 Message-ID: <91p5l5$1gc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com> <91os1q$pp0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.205.58 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Dec 20 02:31:01 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; AOL 6.0; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90; AT&T CSM6.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.205.58 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDcetaceandragon Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:88 alt.war:65959 alt.alien.visitors:330769 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28041 > > http://www.yolocounty.org/org/Health/eh/general/bitesandvectors.htm > > http://phuket-guide.com/Travel_Guide/Health_Guide/bites/ > > I read the two websites quoted. It might seem to you that the poster is an "idiot", but at least the person could read. Did YOU read carefully, objectively, thoroughly, and without blind biases? Both websites state under no uncertain terms that insects carry rabies virus to a new host that became infected. I might add, in no way was it insinuated that bees are bad or guilty. Most honey bees today are "domesticated", like dogs or lab rats. In the wild, several epidemics are spread by rodents and dogs. This does not make owners of domesticated pets, mice and dogs, call others "idiots" for stating a fact. Get a grip guy. The sky is not falling! ps: I REALLY enjoyed the two websites at http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html ... that a third party recommended to this thread! C.D. In article , "George Styer" wrote: > You're an idiot. > > From the first page you list: > > "Rabies can be transmitted by the bite of warm blooded animals and is > potentially fatal to humans when bites are not properly and quickly handled > and followed-up by health and medical personnel." > > Have you discovered a species of bees that is a mammal? Insects (of which > bees are included) are sited on the site in the definition of "vector", not > as carrying rabies. > > And from the second page: > > "Animal and Insect Bites " > "The principal risk here is rabies from dog bites, but other animals and > insects pose a threat as well." > > Familiar with the concept of context? Notice it does not say "but other > animals and insects pose a threat of rabies as well." I also don't consider > a travel site for Phuket any kind of credible support of your claim. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > wrote in message > news:91os1q$pp0$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > > > > I thought EVERYONE by now knew that bees and wasps can carry rabies and > > that they often share the same nesting sites with rabit rats, bats, and > > other infectees. > > > > Here are two websites for those who don't already have a FULL > > "favorites" list on their "Bookmarks". > > > > http://www.yolocounty.org/org/Health/eh/general/bitesandvectors.htm > > http://phuket-guide.com/Travel_Guide/Health_Guide/bites/ > > > > F.M. > > > > I know from first hand experience. I thank my doctor for having known > > and for having helped me. Thank you Yolo County Health department. > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: cornelius_rothrock@my-deja.com Newsgroups: alt.war,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology,sci.med.disease Subject: Re: Bees & RABIES Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:56:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <91p740$2g1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com> <21188-3A39B7D2-50@storefull-226.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.205.58 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Dec 20 02:56:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; AOL 6.0; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90; AT&T CSM6.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.205.58 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDcornelius_rothrock Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.war:65960 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28042 sci.bio.entomology:89 Thank you for your input. Many people out there are rabidly adverse to the mere mention that bees can carry rabies. Could you post some websites that add to the discussion please? I might add, I researched your posting history, and am quite impressed with what you are doing. Keep up the good work! You are taking on quite a number of issues. http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html In article <21188-3A39B7D2-50@storefull-226.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, Teuton@webtv.net wrote: > I don't know about vampires, but zombies are well documented by police > who have shot drugged criminals literally "to death"- yet had to fight > them for several more minutes even though their vital organs had ceased > to function. > As far as bees & rabies is concerned, the answer is yes: a) bees CAN > carry rabies and b) bee products are being studied for anti-rabies > research. > > "That which does not kill us makes us stronger' > - Friedrick Nietzsche > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeder.randori.com!news.randori.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A403D82.70CBE152@theglobe.com> From: Ripon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.war,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology,sci.med.disease Subject: Re: Bees & RABIES References: <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com> <21188-3A39B7D2-50@storefull-226.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <91p740$2g1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Organization: Randori News Inc. -- http://www.randori.com -- Fast! Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:02:58 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.war:65961 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28043 sci.bio.entomology:90 Hmmm, looks like one of our kooks has several sock puppets. Ripon cornelius_rothrock@my-deja.com wrote: > ~ took out the garbage Article 28044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-10.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mad Bee Disease. Coming Soon to Your Neighbourhood? Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:48:47 -0700 Lines: 101 Message-ID: <91pkrd$4u36j$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <91ipq0$45p6d$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-10.internode.net (198.161.229.186) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 977295023 5180627 198.161.229.186 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28044 > Some of you may recall having heard of Mad Bee Disease in France and the > demonstrations at the Eiffel Tower... Another big demonstration ~1750 beekeepers yesterday in Paris. Pictures and text are at http://www.beekeeping.com/articles/gaucho/manifestation_paris.htm Background info and translations at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/imidacloprid/ With more to follow... allen --- The following news was just now received from Peter Dillon via BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu and abeilles@fundp.ac.be Bonjour from France! Having spent the day traveling to and from Paris (800 km) with the demo. in between, my head was more than swimming at 2 o'clock this morning. So what happened! Beekeepers from all over France arrived at the correct time and place, It is thought there were about 1700 -1800 people. This time without dead hives or vehicles - a little strange, a slightly naked feeling and it took a time to rise to the occasion. Arriving at the street that led to the Min of Ag. buildings - the way was blocked, the first time that things were being taken as a threatening - It was blocked by the famous French Riot Police, and there was no way we were going to get through in a peaceful manner - and we base our actions on peaceful demonstration. After half an hour, representatives returning from the Min of Agric. buildings it was a parade through the avenues and streets, beating barrels banner waving etc. The police had sealed every side street, so we were effectively directed and so things moved happily enough except the demo. objective was not being achieved!! Up into a narrow street went the procession - and again blocked, this time there was no backing off and after another 30/45 minutes of standoff we were able to convince the CRS that no violence was intended. The way was open to the actual Ministry of Agriculture Building. There, with three rows of police and their support not too far away, the spleen was vented. Authoritative indifference reigned. A giant smoker effectively "kippered" the police - a pity the ventilation intake to the building wasn't evident Plastic pots of honey broke against 2nd floor windows, traffic blocked for about an hour. To be honest, not a pleasant sight for somebody who prefers to pass his time in the wilds of his apiaries. Again the delegation were received inside the building. What was achieved? Promises, Promises and more Promises that the case has been understood and we will be able to talk in the near future. This is not the time or place to develop the science or politics. Relating to the demonstration against Gaucho (Imidacloprid) The following information is now available: last abstract of the "Coordination des apiculteurs de France" and latest photos. of the demonstration in Paris the 18th December 2000. Have a look at: http://www.beekeeping.com/index_us.htm then click on: "New pages" then click on "19/12/00 - Manifestation nationale française du 18 décembre 2000, à Paris, contre le Gaucho et autres pesticides." Conclusion: Things have taken a step backwards. There is still a tremendous amount of work to be done - I am afraid to say, even though the scientific results are proving the case for the total ban. Political considerations are starting to raise its ugly head and more than clouding the issue. Peter Article 28045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news-hub.siol.net!ams.uu.net!news.cybercity.dk!not-for-mail From: Peter Knutsen Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,sci.bio,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics.greens Subject: Re: Bees DO DEFINITELY carry RABIES Followup-To: sci.bio,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:31:16 +0100 Organization: http://www.knutsen.dk Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3A408A74.BABDD631@knutsen.dk> References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a37aba1.3150651@news.erols.com> <91osln$qbg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: msx-esp-39-18.ppp.cybercity.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.cybercity.dk 977308202 57806 212.242.17.147 (20 Dec 2000 10:30:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cybercity.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Dec 2000 10:30:02 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:91 sci.bio:2604 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28045 alt.politics.greens:79189 medea_the_modest@my-deja.com wrote: > And by the way, why is it not universally known that honey is by and > large mostly composed of ash, postassium, and silicates (silicon). It > is the plant pollen that is trapped in this nasty matrix that is healthy > and not the giant bee sphere/globule we call honey holding them > [plant pollens] in confinement. What's up with this? Wrong. Honey consists almost completely of simpe sugars (mono- sacharides). IIRC glucose and fructose. This is why the bees bother to visit the plants in the first place, to get some calories so that they can survive. The plant produces these simple sugars (the nectar) to attract the bees, so that the bees will carry the germ cells of the plant to other plants of the same species. This process, two different species helping each other, is called symbiosis. Honey is very very calorie-intensive, so you're wrong when you claim that it consists mostly of ash, potassium and silicates. This suggests to me that your claim about rabies is also wrong (I *never* trust the claims of people who are badly misinformed about simple science). I'm setting Followup-To to news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping and news:sci.bio . -- Peter Knutsen Article 28046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Chat-room for the last time! Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:15:27 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 20 Message-ID: <91q41o$fic$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip92.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 977310584 15948 195.249.242.92 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28046 If you e-amil me and ask for it I will attach the needed htm file to you, so that you can use it just by loading this into your browser. Or just under windows find it on your pc and click it. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 10-12-2000 Now chatroom for beekeeping installed. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rabies & Insect vector CLEARLY STATED Date: 20 Dec 2000 17:37:27 GMT Lines: 136 Message-ID: <91qqon$30b$0@208.249.8.143> References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com> <91os1q$pp0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91p5l5$1gc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.249.8.143 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:92 alt.war:65975 alt.alien.visitors:330896 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28047 On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:31:01 GMT, cetaceandragon@my-deja.com wrote: > >> > http://www.yolocounty.org/org/Health/eh/general/bitesandvectors.htm >> > http://phuket-guide.com/Travel_Guide/Health_Guide/bites/ >> > > >I read the two websites quoted. > >It might seem to you that the poster is an "idiot", but at least the >person could read. Did YOU read carefully, objectively, thoroughly, >and without blind biases? > >Both websites state under no uncertain terms that insects carry rabies >virus to a new host that became infected. > >I might add, in no way was it insinuated that bees are bad or guilty. >Most honey bees today are "domesticated", like dogs or lab rats. > Honey Bees are no more "domesticated" then the wild birds in my back yard. They live in the bird houses I provide and eat the food in my bird feeder. Given time they will tolerate my presence and I can watch them raise their young, and even help them should the need arise. But they are no more dependent on me then are the bees. Sure we medicate them, but you can hardly call racoons we medicate against rabies by air dropping bait "domesticated". >> "Animal and Insect Bites " >> "The principal risk here is rabies from dog bites, but other animals >and >> insects pose a threat as well." Honey Bees don't bite (there are a few types on stingless bee that do bite, and pull hair). They sting, and only once at that. Hardly a threat. And if insects in general were that much of a threat, why are we not all vacinated against it. Who here has not been bitten by a mosquito, biting fly, etc. > I thought EVERYONE by now knew that bees and wasps can carry rabies >and that they often share the same nesting sites with rabit rats, bats, >and other infectees. Rabies does not transmit by proximity to a infectee to my knowlege. If so, again we should all be vacinated because rats, bats, birds, mice, etc. love living in crawl spaces, attic, in walls. Basically sharing the same nesting sites we humans do. > http://www.yolocounty.org/org/Health/eh/general/bitesandvectors.htm >http://phuket-guide.com/Travel_Guide/Health_Guide/bites/ Neither of these sites mention bees or wasps. The only mention of insects at all is "A vector is an animal, insect or living organism that can carry and transmit communicable diseases to humans." It doesn't state (other than the example "cockroaches, rodents, birds, bats and flies") which insects can carry and transmit, or which diseases. It doesn't mension insects in the "rabies" section of the page. -Tim > > > >In article , > "George Styer" wrote: >> You're an idiot. >> >> From the first page you list: >> >> "Rabies can be transmitted by the bite of warm blooded animals and is >> potentially fatal to humans when bites are not properly and quickly >handled >> and followed-up by health and medical personnel." >> >> Have you discovered a species of bees that is a mammal? Insects (of >which >> bees are included) are sited on the site in the definition >of "vector", not >> as carrying rabies. >> >> And from the second page: >> >> "Animal and Insect Bites " >> "The principal risk here is rabies from dog bites, but other animals >and >> insects pose a threat as well." >> >> Familiar with the concept of context? Notice it does not say "but >other >> animals and insects pose a threat of rabies as well." I also don't >consider >> a travel site for Phuket any kind of credible support of your claim. >> >> -- >> Geo >> Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley >> "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" >> gstyLer@att.net >> To respond via email, get the "L" out of there >> >> wrote in message >> news:91os1q$pp0$1@nnrp1.deja.com... >> > >> > >> > I thought EVERYONE by now knew that bees and wasps can carry rabies >and >> > that they often share the same nesting sites with rabit rats, bats, >and >> > other infectees. >> > >> > Here are two websites for those who don't already have a FULL >> > "favorites" list on their "Bookmarks". >> > >> > http://www.yolocounty.org/org/Health/eh/general/bitesandvectors.htm >> > http://phuket-guide.com/Travel_Guide/Health_Guide/bites/ >> > >> > F.M. >> > >> > I know from first hand experience. I thank my doctor for having >known >> > and for having helped me. Thank you Yolo County Health department. >> > >> >> > > >Sent via Deja.com >http://www.deja.com/ Article 28048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: alt.war,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology,sci.med.disease Subject: Re: Bees & RABIES Date: 20 Dec 2000 18:30:44 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: <91qtsk$8vn$0@208.249.8.143> References: <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com> <21188-3A39B7D2-50@storefull-226.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <91p740$2g1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.249.8.143 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.war:65976 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28048 sci.bio.entomology:93 On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:56:02 GMT, cornelius_rothrock@my-deja.com wrote: >In article <21188-3A39B7D2-50@storefull-226.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, > Teuton@webtv.net wrote: >> I don't know about vampires, but zombies are well documented by police >> who have shot drugged criminals literally "to death"- yet had to fight >> them for several more minutes even though their vital organs had >ceased >> to function. Nothing unusual about this. The body is quite capable of living without breathing or the heart pumping for a short time. (If it weren't transplants, resuscitation, etc. wouldn be possible) If you can remove the shock (drugs are very effective for this) preventing brain death (at least to a point) it's possible to function for a short time. Nothing at all like the typical concept of a zombie as portrayed in books/movies. -Tim Article 28049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: moroni_moron@my-deja.com Newsgroups: alt.war,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology,sci.med.disease Subject: Myo Inositol and BEES Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:29:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 51 Message-ID: <91r1aq$h5q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com> <21188-3A39B7D2-50@storefull-226.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <91p740$2g1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A403D82.70CBE152@theglobe.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.120.54.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Dec 20 19:29:41 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.120.54.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmoroni_moron Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.war:65977 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28049 sci.bio.entomology:94 from URL http://www.arthritistrust.org/topics/bees.htm "CONTENTS OF FRESH BEE POLLEN" [%] Potassium 20-40 Silicon 2-10 Phosphorus 1-20 Chlorine 0.8 Water 3-4 Reducing sugars 7.5-40 Etheric [ethylic ether] extract 1-14 Ash 1-7 in micrograms per gram Nicotinic acid 98-210 Pyridoxin 9-9 Folic acid 3.4-6.8 SACCHARIDES 30-40 i.e. Inositol phosphatidyl inositol myo-inositol The myoinositol plays a role in myoglobin processes in muscle tissue For more http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html MORONI In article <3A403D82.70CBE152@theglobe.com>, Ripon wrote: > Hmmm, looks like one of our kooks has several sock puppets. > > Ripon > > cornelius_rothrock@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > ~ took out the garbage > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: xxx@xxx.xxx (xxx) Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rabies & Insect vector CLEARLY STATED Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:51:08 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3a461b8d.3132832@news.erols.com> References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com> <91os1q$pp0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91p5l5$1gc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91qqon$30b$0@208.249.8.143> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY6s5WOxtXe7wUQ39YlqHKIc38r60eI2zoHzyTFI2LnqGjiLBVhBbHP X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Dec 2000 20:46:07 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:95 alt.war:65979 alt.alien.visitors:330897 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28050 On 20 Dec 2000 17:37:27 GMT, tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote: [deletia] Clearly, this is a waste of taxpayer dollars. Article 28051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: moroni_moron@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio,sci.agriculture Subject: Honey lots of silica Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:28:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 77 Message-ID: <91r188$h4o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a37aba1.3150651@news.erols.com> <91osln$qbg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A408A74.BABDD631@knutsen.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.120.54.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Dec 20 19:28:19 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.120.54.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmoroni_moron Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio:2605 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28051 sci.agriculture:54488 from URL http://www.arthritistrust.org/topics/bees.htm "CONTENTS OF FRESH BEE POLLEN" [%] Potassium 20-40 Silicon 2-10 Phosphorus 1-20 Chlorine 0.8 Water 3-4 Reducing sugars 7.5-40 Etheric [ethylic ether] extract 1-14 Ash 1-7 in micrograms per gram Nicotinic acid 98-210 Pyridoxin 9-9 Folic acid 3.4-6.8 SACCHARIDES 30-40 i.e. Inositol phosphatidyl inositol myo-inositol The myoinositol plays a role in myoglobin processes in muscle tissue For more http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html MORONI In article <3A408A74.BABDD631@knutsen.dk>, Peter Knutsen wrote: > > > medea_the_modest@my-deja.com wrote: > > > And by the way, why is it not universally known that honey is by and > > large mostly composed of ash, postassium, and silicates (silicon). It > > is the plant pollen that is trapped in this nasty matrix that is healthy > > and not the giant bee sphere/globule we call honey holding them > > [plant pollens] in confinement. What's up with this? > > Wrong. Honey consists almost completely of simpe sugars (mono- > sacharides). IIRC glucose and fructose. This is why the bees > bother to visit the plants in the first place, to get some > calories so that they can survive. The plant produces these > simple sugars (the nectar) to attract the bees, so that the > bees will carry the germ cells of the plant to other plants of > the same species. This process, two different species helping > each other, is called symbiosis. > > Honey is very very calorie-intensive, so you're wrong when you > claim that it consists mostly of ash, potassium and silicates. > > This suggests to me that your claim about rabies is also wrong > (I *never* trust the claims of people who are badly misinformed > about simple science). > > I'm setting Followup-To to news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping > and news:sci.bio . > > -- > Peter Knutsen > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com> <91os1q$pp0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91p5l5$1gc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91qqon$30b$0@208.249.8.143> Subject: Re: Rabies & Insect vector CLEARLY STATED Lines: 161 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:27:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 977358436 24.13.215.128 (Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:27:16 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:27:16 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:96 alt.war:65982 alt.alien.visitors:330933 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28052 Actually Tim... The common honey bee has been domesticed somewhat, but not in a beneficial manner...They have been bread to be larger than their feral cousins. Because of this breading (which has been shown experimentally to bee able to regress out of them) they are more susceptible to bee diseases such as varoa, AFB and EFB...The trick to successful beekeeping would seem to return the bees to their feral state and allow them to develop on their own instead of forcing a growth pattern on their genetic plan... Domesticated bees have brood comb that is 5.3mm, feral bees use comb 4.83-4.9mm. May not seem like much but apparently makes a BIG difference in their health, productivity and gentleness. Check out http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/index.htm It is rather interesting Scot Tim Arheit wrote in message news:91qqon$30b$0@208.249.8.143... > On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:31:01 GMT, cetaceandragon@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > >> > http://www.yolocounty.org/org/Health/eh/general/bitesandvectors.htm > >> > http://phuket-guide.com/Travel_Guide/Health_Guide/bites/ > >> > > > > >I read the two websites quoted. > > > >It might seem to you that the poster is an "idiot", but at least the > >person could read. Did YOU read carefully, objectively, thoroughly, > >and without blind biases? > > > >Both websites state under no uncertain terms that insects carry rabies > >virus to a new host that became infected. > > > >I might add, in no way was it insinuated that bees are bad or guilty. > >Most honey bees today are "domesticated", like dogs or lab rats. > > > > Honey Bees are no more "domesticated" then the wild birds in my > back yard. They live in the bird houses I provide and eat the food > in my bird feeder. Given time they will tolerate my presence and I > can watch them raise their young, and even help them should the > need arise. But they are no more dependent on me then are the bees. > Sure we medicate them, but you can hardly call racoons we > medicate against rabies by air dropping bait "domesticated". > > > >> "Animal and Insect Bites " > >> "The principal risk here is rabies from dog bites, but other animals > >and > >> insects pose a threat as well." > > Honey Bees don't bite (there are a few types on stingless bee that > do bite, and pull hair). They sting, and only once at that. Hardly > a threat. > > And if insects in general were that much of a threat, why are we not > all vacinated against it. Who here has not been bitten by a mosquito, > biting fly, etc. > > > I thought EVERYONE by now knew that bees and wasps can carry rabies > >and that they often share the same nesting sites with rabit rats, bats, > >and other infectees. > > Rabies does not transmit by proximity to a infectee to my knowlege. > If so, again we should all be vacinated because rats, bats, birds, > mice, etc. love living in crawl spaces, attic, in walls. Basically > sharing the same nesting sites we humans do. > > > http://www.yolocounty.org/org/Health/eh/general/bitesandvectors.htm > >http://phuket-guide.com/Travel_Guide/Health_Guide/bites/ > > Neither of these sites mention bees or wasps. The only mention of > insects at all is "A vector is an animal, insect or living organism > that can carry and transmit communicable diseases to humans." It > doesn't state (other than the example "cockroaches, rodents, birds, > bats and flies") which insects can carry and transmit, or which > diseases. It doesn't mension insects in the "rabies" section of the > page. > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > > > >In article , > > "George Styer" wrote: > >> You're an idiot. > >> > >> From the first page you list: > >> > >> "Rabies can be transmitted by the bite of warm blooded animals and is > >> potentially fatal to humans when bites are not properly and quickly > >handled > >> and followed-up by health and medical personnel." > >> > >> Have you discovered a species of bees that is a mammal? Insects (of > >which > >> bees are included) are sited on the site in the definition > >of "vector", not > >> as carrying rabies. > >> > >> And from the second page: > >> > >> "Animal and Insect Bites " > >> "The principal risk here is rabies from dog bites, but other animals > >and > >> insects pose a threat as well." > >> > >> Familiar with the concept of context? Notice it does not say "but > >other > >> animals and insects pose a threat of rabies as well." I also don't > >consider > >> a travel site for Phuket any kind of credible support of your claim. > >> > >> -- > >> Geo > >> Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > >> "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > >> gstyLer@att.net > >> To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > >> > >> wrote in message > >> news:91os1q$pp0$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > >> > > >> > > >> > I thought EVERYONE by now knew that bees and wasps can carry rabies > >and > >> > that they often share the same nesting sites with rabit rats, bats, > >and > >> > other infectees. > >> > > >> > Here are two websites for those who don't already have a FULL > >> > "favorites" list on their "Bookmarks". > >> > > >> > http://www.yolocounty.org/org/Health/eh/general/bitesandvectors.htm > >> > http://phuket-guide.com/Travel_Guide/Health_Guide/bites/ > >> > > >> > F.M. > >> > > >> > I know from first hand experience. I thank my doctor for having > >known > >> > and for having helped me. Thank you Yolo County Health department. > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com > >http://www.deja.com/ > Article 28053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: xxx@xxx.xxx (llort) Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rabies & Insect vector CLEARLY STATED Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:01:33 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3a465623.4751327@news.erols.com> References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com> <91os1q$pp0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91p5l5$1gc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91qqon$30b$0@208.249.8.143> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ08IRxdXYPU8Y9xYTEUb1g0CWvgvKyzuf/L0Kn4OYMushYB72soJwK X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Dec 2000 00:56:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:97 alt.war:65983 alt.alien.visitors:330934 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28053 On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:27:16 GMT, "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote: > Because of this breading YUM! Tartar sauce with your breaded bees, anyone? Article 28054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: xxx@xxx.xxx (Gourmet baloney with picke polka dots) Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rabies & Insect vector CLEARLY STATED Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:09:51 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3a475754.5056874@news.erols.com> References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com> <91os1q$pp0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91p5l5$1gc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91qqon$30b$0@208.249.8.143> <3a465623.4751327@news.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbPvwmld8GRSs844ajHnaUWbPQGanIMdUKsueDOKTT2jT+jad4t0KX2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Dec 2000 01:04:43 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:98 alt.war:65984 alt.alien.visitors:330935 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28054 On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:01:33 GMT, xxx@xxx.xxx (llort) wrote: >On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:27:16 GMT, "Scot Mc Pherson" >wrote: > >> Because of this breading > >YUM! Tartar sauce with your breaded bees, anyone? That all depends on how you plan to serve them -- baked or fried. Personally I like my bees fried, they're more palatable that way. Golden crunchy on the outside, and warm and moist on the inside. Baking tends to dry their little stingers out. Though with a large dollop of tartar sauce, guests wouldn't notice the difference. Either way, baked or fried, bees taste just like fish. Article 28055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: sasha_levien@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ALTOIDS: Gum Arabic "breads" BEES Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:58:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 102 Message-ID: <91ro4i$527$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com> <91os1q$pp0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91p5l5$1gc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91qqon$30b$0@208.249.8.143> <3a465623.4751327@news.erols.com> <3a475754.5056874@news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.104.41 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 21 01:58:45 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; AOL 6.0; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90; AT&T CSM6.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x55.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 64.12.104.41 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsasha_levien Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:99 alt.war:65985 alt.alien.visitors:330936 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28055 Gum Arabic comes only from the 'Acacia Senegal' volcanic tree resins in a country notorious [SUDAN] for the most violent civil warS in current history [over 4 million dead]. Even U.S. Representative Phil Crane is involved in the sanctions against gum arabic in Congress. It is in a majority of food products in the USA, and is quite unhealthy. Avoid ALTOIDS mints. Altoids "mints" are by and large mostly gum arabic. It is a substance introduced big time in the world around the time of Napoleon. The Royal Botanic Garden of EDINBURGH [they like Tartar cloth patterns very much] has a website at http://www.icmb.ed.ac.uk/gumarabic.html ... boasting of ERISA tests on gum arabic monoclonal antibodies. This is the same test ERISA test for AIDS. Maybe the silkworm and the honey bee were innocent in the time of Adam and Eve. Today .... NOT. We are talking about TWO world orders, that use the ATP/ADP glucose/glucogen cycle to their advantage, in two distict fashions, both in blood hemoglobin reactions {vampires ... which are really bloodworms], and muscle tissue myoglobin reactions {Rabies), the "undead". Both Orders above, are hostile to the unspoken passive natural order of Earth [call it "Nature"] that existed before this mishap. It seems that asteroid and meteorite collisions with Earth, especially the Ceres Asteroid and the Halley's Comet, brought this on, and all of our religions dance around this axis, between these two competing orders. You can forget Man. He lost out when the seas became very salty. Where are you magnesium, dolomite, chalk, limestone, and ancient termites [older than even turtles]? Yes .... bees can carry rabies. Yes ... silkworms are related to the sea lice, plaguing the North Sea. Yes ... they are bloodsucking nematodes. Yes ... the mythology of Apollo, Daphne, Andromeda, and Cassiopia, and Hercules, are all dyed in this mold. So what to do? Definitely, don't "bond" with either side. There ARE lovely bees, rodents, and wolfs and dogs, all over the face of the earth. There are also menacing compromised elements. for more ... go to ----->>>> http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/antares.html and http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html Try to keep gypsum, lead, tin, fiber optics, and really synthetic polymer plastics out of your edibles, and out of the Earth's food chain. Please. And that especially includes S. Ceres "yeasts" used in many wines and beers today, and also inositol [which is a salt, and not a vitamin or sugar], and gum arabic [a nasty polymer]. They are all THREE lethal. Sasha ps: maybe the US elections are a TOTAL FRAUD, but let's get organized on this silkworm and honeybee dilemma, today. In article <3a475754.5056874@news.erols.com>, xxx@xxx.xxx (Gourmet baloney with picke polka dots) wrote: > On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:01:33 GMT, xxx@xxx.xxx (llort) wrote: > > >On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:27:16 GMT, "Scot Mc Pherson" > >wrote: > > > >> Because of this breading > > > >YUM! Tartar sauce with your breaded bees, anyone? > > That all depends on how you plan to serve them -- baked or fried. > Personally I like my bees fried, they're more palatable that way. Golden > crunchy on the outside, and warm and moist on the inside. Baking tends to > dry their little stingers out. Though with a large dollop of tartar sauce, > guests wouldn't notice the difference. Either way, baked or fried, bees > taste just like fish. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.72!wnfilter2!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology,alt.war,alt.alien.visitors,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7h9j3t0e2tibq5crk609g8ubvpbp862ncb@4ax.com> <91os1q$pp0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91p5l5$1gc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <91qqon$30b$0@208.249.8.143> <3a465623.4751327@news.erols.com> <3a475754.5056874@news.erols.com> <91ro4i$527$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: ALTOIDS: Gum Arabic "breads" BEES Lines: 11 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 03:46:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 977370380 12.72.51.69 (Thu, 21 Dec 2000 03:46:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 03:46:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology:100 alt.war:65986 alt.alien.visitors:330937 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28056 Wanna buy a pair of purple Nikes? Used only once since the space travel never materialized. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Article 28057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio,sci.agriculture References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a37aba1.3150651@news.erols.com> <91osln$qbg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A408A74.BABDD631@knutsen.dk> <91r188$h4o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Honey lots of silica Lines: 106 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <32c06.127699$65.1073565@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:21:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 977358079 24.13.215.128 (Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:21:19 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:21:19 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio:2606 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28057 sci.agriculture:54527 Uh...just like you said, that's pollen....I thought you said Honey before?? Now why would you say such a thing is bad for you when it obviously the constituents are beneficial. I think you need to get the Aluminum Foil off your head. The antarans are not conspiring to wage war on you by introducing the silk worm... The pledians have a better chance of taking over the world because they don't need to talk to communicate...They talk to us right from their star system telepathically, and it doesn't take any time to get here. And the Orions...boy what can I say about them...too much i'd wager..enough to have them come looking for me I suppose...but they don't know about Usenet so we're safe...You know how they infiltrated the planet by subverting the trye english language thousands of years ago...They changed the S's into M's and the B's are really T's..I mean we never had the concept of war until words like Military were introduced...They want to trick us into believing such concepts by creating their existence in the fake language we use today. Good thing I am on to them. I mean, the FDA would approve, but we know what that means. Scot wrote in message news:91r188$h4o$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > from URL > > http://www.arthritistrust.org/topics/bees.htm > > "CONTENTS OF FRESH BEE POLLEN" [%] > > Potassium 20-40 > Silicon 2-10 > Phosphorus 1-20 > Chlorine 0.8 > Water 3-4 > Reducing sugars 7.5-40 > Etheric [ethylic ether] extract 1-14 > Ash 1-7 > > in micrograms per gram > > Nicotinic acid 98-210 > Pyridoxin 9-9 > Folic acid 3.4-6.8 > > > SACCHARIDES 30-40 > i.e. > Inositol > phosphatidyl inositol > myo-inositol > > The myoinositol plays a role in myoglobin processes in muscle tissue > > For more > > http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html > > MORONI > > > In article <3A408A74.BABDD631@knutsen.dk>, > Peter Knutsen wrote: > > > > > > medea_the_modest@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > > And by the way, why is it not universally known that honey is by and > > > large mostly composed of ash, postassium, and silicates (silicon). > It > > > is the plant pollen that is trapped in this nasty matrix that is > healthy > > > and not the giant bee sphere/globule we call honey holding them > > > [plant pollens] in confinement. What's up with this? > > > > Wrong. Honey consists almost completely of simpe sugars (mono- > > sacharides). IIRC glucose and fructose. This is why the bees > > bother to visit the plants in the first place, to get some > > calories so that they can survive. The plant produces these > > simple sugars (the nectar) to attract the bees, so that the > > bees will carry the germ cells of the plant to other plants of > > the same species. This process, two different species helping > > each other, is called symbiosis. > > > > Honey is very very calorie-intensive, so you're wrong when you > > claim that it consists mostly of ash, potassium and silicates. > > > > This suggests to me that your claim about rabies is also wrong > > (I *never* trust the claims of people who are badly misinformed > > about simple science). > > > > I'm setting Followup-To to news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping > > and news:sci.bio . > > > > -- > > Peter Knutsen > > > > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ Article 28058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A414ACF.413C5C45@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio,sci.agriculture Subject: Re: Honey lots of silica References: <20001130014912.01957.00005307@ng-ch1.aol.com> <90rb2i$uvg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A3123DC.DF001756@bellsouth.net> <910l6u$ol2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <915p7g$p3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a37aba1.3150651@news.erols.com> <91osln$qbg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A408A74.BABDD631@knutsen.dk> <91r188$h4o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 79 X-Trace: +Sz2rakKyAXnfbAce+AQ1BZBLfFnOib3uQOgjKp6fUZXP6Bg3z9AIpcztd+rwF1oteGznF4muNIi!stH8FkGjS2R7Zp3V7dVSMPgbF6BohISYT0W1/II2HSKlnkgODhuVf8Z4F/unEw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:10:43 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:10:44 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.bio:2607 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28058 sci.agriculture:54528 Why is this person even posting to this site? moroni_moron@my-deja.com wrote: > from URL > > http://www.arthritistrust.org/topics/bees.htm > > "CONTENTS OF FRESH BEE POLLEN" [%] > > Potassium 20-40 > Silicon 2-10 > Phosphorus 1-20 > Chlorine 0.8 > Water 3-4 > Reducing sugars 7.5-40 > Etheric [ethylic ether] extract 1-14 > Ash 1-7 > > in micrograms per gram > > Nicotinic acid 98-210 > Pyridoxin 9-9 > Folic acid 3.4-6.8 > > SACCHARIDES 30-40 > i.e. > Inositol > phosphatidyl inositol > myo-inositol > > The myoinositol plays a role in myoglobin processes in muscle tissue > > For more > > http://www.geocities.com/antarii_rescue/aldebaran.html > > MORONI > > In article <3A408A74.BABDD631@knutsen.dk>, > Peter Knutsen wrote: > > > > > > medea_the_modest@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > > And by the way, why is it not universally known that honey is by and > > > large mostly composed of ash, postassium, and silicates (silicon). > It > > > is the plant pollen that is trapped in this nasty matrix that is > healthy > > > and not the giant bee sphere/globule we call honey holding them > > > [plant pollens] in confinement. What's up with this? > > > > Wrong. Honey consists almost completely of simpe sugars (mono- > > sacharides). IIRC glucose and fructose. This is why the bees > > bother to visit the plants in the first place, to get some > > calories so that they can survive. The plant produces these > > simple sugars (the nectar) to attract the bees, so that the > > bees will carry the germ cells of the plant to other plants of > > the same species. This process, two different species helping > > each other, is called symbiosis. > > > > Honey is very very calorie-intensive, so you're wrong when you > > claim that it consists mostly of ash, potassium and silicates. > > > > This suggests to me that your claim about rabies is also wrong > > (I *never* trust the claims of people who are badly misinformed > > about simple science). > > > > I'm setting Followup-To to news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping > > and news:sci.bio . > > > > -- > > Peter Knutsen > > > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ Article 28059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: airwolf33@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead bees on bottom boards? Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 03:22:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <91rt0p$8la$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.217.105.183 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 21 03:22:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt; ViaGrafix ISP) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x61.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 64.217.105.183 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDairwolf33 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28059 I have seen dead bees on the bottom boards of the hives and wonder what could be wrong any ideas? Or thoughts what I should do. It is staying approximately 30' degrees during the day time. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A41819D.43CCC3FE@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: emergancy winter feeding Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 X-Trace: +5L7sSMpnFCV8wDaohLBUV9BIF6hl3uebchVR1PHBEpV2Wj6nPhbJk95yjVSyZgKFt9XuYrmGWSy!N9mox/9KOaaJkZRgPo+ph2EO4nJwKay6iZnk6h/9XVgWeL7USTQVVxDLLVl1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 04:04:36 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 04:04:36 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28060 What can a person do to help his or her bees through a northern winter if they suspect that a little too much honey was taken in the fall. I live in nothern Indiana and the snow's deep and the temps are the coldest in 10 years. Article 28061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees on bottom boards? Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:49:26 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A420A66.DFEB3A4A@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <91rt0p$8la$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28061 Hi there, There are always dead bees through out the winter. That is why the brood you see in August and September is important to the hive. They're not for honey production, they are for over wintering the hive (assuming you are in a northern climate). Unless there are hundreds of them, there is nothing to worry about. Personally, I probably lose a thousand or so bees through the entire winter per hive. You didn't give to much information, so I can't say much more. Merry Christmas. Kent Stienburg Ontario, Canada Article 28062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.interpacket.net!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3A41819D.43CCC3FE@gte.net> Subject: Re: emergancy winter feeding Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:45:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 977406329 24.13.215.128 (Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:45:29 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:45:29 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28062 If you have any honey, you can give it back with a division feeder on one of the more mild days. If not, then make some sugar syrup and feed the same way. The best thing is to give them honey on a frame...If you don't have any, see if you can borrow or buy a few full frames from another beekeeper. Scot Mc Pherson Chad Howell wrote in message news:3A41819D.43CCC3FE@gte.net... > What can a person do to help his or her bees through a northern winter > if they suspect that a little too much honey was taken in the fall. I > live in nothern Indiana and the snow's deep and the temps are the > coldest in 10 years. > Article 28063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: emergancy winter feeding Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:54:33 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A420B99.9359FF94@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3A41819D.43CCC3FE@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28063 Hi Chad, I would suggest carefully moving some frames of honey into the hive close to the cluster. Other then that I guess some dry sugar. How many frames of honey do you have in the top box? Kent Stienburg Ontario, Canada Article 28064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: National Organic Standard Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:12:56 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-zD696AsZlEOeC0/1EfMaAxxf4IPMaUQpheTAUxlNUr6bN7b430E85UvyMuxOds+LJ72ZOVssRDp5JpD!kz+OjDYijZGLqlOrL8Bw8bm1dw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:12:58 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28064 For those of you who want to read the National Organic Standard posted in today's Federal Register, but don't know where to find it, go to the following address: http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aces140.html Then go to the search section midway down the page and search for 12/21/2000 with a maximum records return of 200. After the page comes up, search that page for the word organic. You should find three items. If you need more help, just email me. Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) -- Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) Article 28065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <91rt0p$8la$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Dead bees on bottom boards? Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:47:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 977406447 24.13.215.128 (Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:47:27 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:47:27 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28065 During the winter its normal to find dead bees in the hive because the living bees aren't doing any house cleaning. Put your ear up to the hive and jostle the hive a little...If the bees buzz you are probably ok.... Scot Mc Pherson wrote in message news:91rt0p$8la$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I have seen dead bees on the bottom boards of the hives and wonder what > could be wrong any ideas? Or thoughts what I should do. It is staying > approximately 30' degrees during the day time. > > > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ Article 28066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <91rt0p$8la$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Dead bees on bottom boards? Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:48:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 977406504 24.13.215.128 (Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:48:24 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:48:24 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28066 If you are really concerned, you can combine the hive with a stronger one, but that should have reaslly been done in the fall...You can still do it if you need to though... Scot Mc Pherson wrote in message news:91rt0p$8la$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I have seen dead bees on the bottom boards of the hives and wonder what > could be wrong any ideas? Or thoughts what I should do. It is staying > approximately 30' degrees during the day time. > > > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ Article 28067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Matthew Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: other animals in the hive - earthworm Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <1ph44t07jtij9iojcor6685oufeanjk4id@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:09:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.211.243.15 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 977422146 63.211.243.15 (Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:09:06 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:09:06 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28067 Anyone ever see an earthworm crawling about in a hive? This past fall (August-Sept) an earthworm was found crawling between frames as I was removing honey supers. The hive was heavy with bees which apparently ignored the worm as it traversed across two deeps. The hive was supported by one of David Eyre's DE Modification hive stands (~3" off the ground with a 6" landing board) and below that an 8'x15' slab of concrete - so how the earthworm came to the top of this hive rubs my curiosity. In Spring I found the remains of a baby garden-snake in another hive (same apiary). The bees had long ago picked off the remains and propolised the skelatal/skin where it died. But this earthworm was taken out unscathed when their bee population was largest and most active. Wishing everyone a very merry and SAFE holiday season! Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA Article 28068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Contol with Apicure Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:36:59 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <91sthf$5b95a$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 977402224 5612714 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28068 I've used it and have some concerns about it. "Frayed_Ends" wrote in message news:as352t4jfg3itf8tsb0negr4le0d6spskh@4ax.com... > Has anyone actually used this product, which I think is formic acid? > How does it perform vs. say Apistan or CheckMite? Where can you get > it? > Article 28069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: emergancy winter feeding Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:25:42 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 11 Message-ID: <91utuh$c35$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3A41819D.43CCC3FE@gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-223.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 977468177 12389 62.136.4.223 (22 Dec 2000 06:56:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Dec 2000 06:56:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28069 Baker's fondant placed on the frames directly over, and in contact with, the cluster. "Chad Howell" wrote in message news:3A41819D.43CCC3FE@gte.net... > What can a person do to help his or her bees through a northern winter > if they suspect that a little too much honey was taken in the fall. I > live in nothern Indiana and the snow's deep and the temps are the > coldest in 10 years. > Article 28070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Jeff Longy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Merry Christmas for your bees Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:21:49 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 10 Message-ID: <91vrku$rju$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: alyon-102-1-2-174.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 977498590 28286 193.253.230.174 (22 Dec 2000 15:23:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Dec 2000 15:23:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28070 Merry Christmas ! merry christmas for your bees. www.beehoo.com Christmas version... Jean François Article 28071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.hawaii.edu!not-for-mail From: Maren Purves Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: National Organic Standard Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:54:01 -1000 Organization: Joint Astronomy Centre, Hilo, HI Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3A43BF69.415A@jach.hawaii.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lilikoi.jach.hawaii.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.hawaii.edu 977518441 19822 128.171.90.227 (22 Dec 2000 20:54:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@hawaii.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Dec 2000 20:54:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28071 Mark wrote: > > For those of you who want to read the National Organic Standard posted in > today's Federal Register, but don't know where to find it, go to the > following address: > > http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aces140.html or go to a search engine, I tried google, and typed the words 'national organiic standard' in. Did a search in the first URL it came up with and found (entry #2): http://frwebgate5.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=1850317661+1+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve (this is one line) Maren Article 28072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kgbenson@mindspring.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top Bar Hives Listserv Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 17:48:04 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <922ogk$e22$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.160.140 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Dec 23 17:48:04 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.80.160.140 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkgbenson Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28072 Group, FOr folks interested in TBH's there is a new listserver for the discussion of TBHs, building them, managing them etc. If interested please head over to: http://www.egroups.com/group/TopBarHives Thanks, Keith Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Merry Christmas Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:30:38 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A45197E.2AD1C5A4@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <922ogk$e22$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28073 Just thought I would take the time to wish everyone on the newsgroup a very safe and Merry Christmas. The bees have their little Christmas trees up here and are patiently waiting for Santa Clause :-) I hope Santa is good to you all. Kent Stienburg Kingston, Ontario Canada Article 28074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 26 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Dec 2000 18:05:58 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: emergancy winter feeding Message-ID: <20001224130558.19840.00005141@ng-ft1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28074 >If you have any honey, you can give it back with a division feeder on one of >the more mild days. If not, then make some sugar syrup and feed the same >way. > >The best thing is to give them honey on a frame...If you don't have any, see >if you can borrow or buy a few full frames from another beekeeper. > >Scot Mc Pherson > > >Chad Howell wrote in message >news:3A41819D.43CCC3FE@gte.net... >> What can a person do to help his or her bees through a northern winter >> if they suspect that a little too much honey was taken in the fall. I >> live in nothern Indiana and the snow's deep and the temps are the >> coldest in 10 years. >> > >Be Sure that if your are going to feed honey back to your bees that you keep terramycin on them. Honey is a great way to spread foulbrood so be careful.. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 28075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Dec 2000 18:44:40 GMT References: <20001224130558.19840.00005141@ng-ft1.news.cs.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: emergancy winter feeding Message-ID: <20001224134440.20141.00003902@ng-mg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28075 For emergency feeding make a block of bee candy by taking 5 lbs of sugar to one pound of water (one pint) and boil it to a temp of 234 degrees F. Pour it into a shallow mold (along the lines of a pie plate) let harden and then place it over the cluster. You can always remember this formula if you can remember 12345. Merry Christmas to all in the newsgroup. Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association Article 28076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A464FED.FB197908@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nuc boxes and Merry Christmas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 X-Trace: +q1n6bnymj3Qr2sW9BHCfnFNhZ6wAU+0Arq0QiToi7W1dKh+MvRqJ3q6RhaU4LTQHmiPS9R7zZ7P!Jf4RnyhUMonxGfUnSCbQMHnyYjz5vXGZHSk3SYduKyEDrx8gAfXBz18utQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 19:33:59 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 19:33:59 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28076 Does anyone know of a company that makes Cypress nucs? I thought that i once saw them somewhere ( deep, medium, bottom,inner, and outer). I'd like to use a nuc setup for a small garden in a town area. Article 28077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Dec 2000 20:14:46 GMT References: <3A464FED.FB197908@gte.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Nuc boxes and Merry Christmas Message-ID: <20001224151446.20924.00007292@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28077 Rossman Apiaries usually advertised cypress hives. Brushy Mountain shows an 8 frame hive with a copper pitched roof. Tom Article 28078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: Frank Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Does lemon attract bees? Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 15:00:09 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8pvc4t8l685df68l96d6ugbm1grh7t6ri8@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-660.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28078 Beg pardon if this is a frequently asked question, but I couldn't find such a document or any relevant discussions in a Deja search ... Today my wife had the interesting idea of shining up the hardwood floor in a couple of rooms with Lemon Pledge. She then opened a few (screenless) windows to let it air. Within a half hour or so, we had more than 10 honeybees buzzing around in the house. Is the smell of lemon an attractant to them? I saw something on the web about the scent being similar to bees' "sexual pheromones," but I wasn't sure if this information was on the up and up, or a joke. Thanks much in advance. Article 28079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8pvc4t8l685df68l96d6ugbm1grh7t6ri8@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Does lemon attract bees? Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <_Tx16.132953$65.1084978@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 02:01:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 977709690 24.13.215.128 (Sun, 24 Dec 2000 18:01:30 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 18:01:30 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28079 Well I can't say for pledge, but citrus flowers are an attractant to any honey bee. Scot Mc Pherson Frank wrote in message news:8pvc4t8l685df68l96d6ugbm1grh7t6ri8@4ax.com... > Beg pardon if this is a frequently asked question, but I couldn't find > such a document or any relevant discussions in a Deja search ... > > Today my wife had the interesting idea of shining up the hardwood > floor in a couple of rooms with Lemon Pledge. She then opened a few > (screenless) windows to let it air. Within a half hour or so, we had > more than 10 honeybees buzzing around in the house. Is the smell of > lemon an attractant to them? I saw something on the web about the > scent being similar to bees' "sexual pheromones," but I wasn't sure if > this information was on the up and up, or a joke. Thanks much in > advance. > Article 28080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Scientist Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 07:32:20 -0500 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <92a34n$67fkd$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 977833944 6536845 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28080 I am looking for a good Scientist that deals with beekeeping that I can find plenty of info on the internet for my daughter to do a school project. Does anyone have any suggestions? Article 28081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beeman10@aol.com (Beeman10) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Dec 2000 13:39:01 GMT References: <92a34n$67fkd$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Beekeeping Scientist Message-ID: <20001226083901.20387.00006432@ng-bj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28081 Is your daughter doing the project on the scientist or does she want to get help from the scientist for her project? Article 28082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Scientist Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:18:45 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <92a34n$67fkd$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28082 you can take your pick from those listed on the cyberbee website at http://www.cyberbee.net/ just click bee research on the menu and scroll down to the "labs" heading...lots of good links! Article 28083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Scientist Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:31:18 -0500 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <92adkd$6n2if$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <92a34n$67fkd$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 977844685 7047759 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28083 Thanks I will do just that!... "Teri Bachus" wrote in message news:t4ha8nhrv4j4e6@corp.supernews.com... > you can take your pick from those listed on the cyberbee website at > http://www.cyberbee.net/ > just click bee research on the menu and scroll down to the "labs" > heading...lots of good links! > > Article 28084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!qichina.demon.co.uk!109158 From: news@hotmail.com (Dave Spart) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wondering about bees in winter Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 15:39:00 GMT Message-ID: <977758838.8371.0.nnrp-13.c2deb0c0@news.demon.co.uk> References: <91bgpa$hk9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 977758838 nnrp-13:8371 NO-IDENT qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28084 In article <91bgpa$hk9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, airwolf33@my-deja.com wrote: >I have 5 hives. I tried to make sure they had enough honey to last all >winter. But because of the early winter here in Ok. I am beginning to >wonder about them. When would it be safe to check them and what would >be the best feed to give them if necessary. > > >Sent via Deja.com >http://www.deja.com/ Don't check them if it's real cold. feed them candy instead. Article 28085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.hinet.hr!Iskon!not-for-mail From: dule Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A bee tree? Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 16:24:27 +0100 Organization: Iskon Internet d.o.o. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-zg0501.iskon.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sunce.iskon.hr 977758263 29834 213.191.137.1 (25 Dec 2000 15:31:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@iskon.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Dec 2000 15:31:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: hr, en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28085 Hi! Does anyone know how to grow a tree (or is it a bush?) by the name of Evodia forst. or something like it? I can buy a plant but it would be much cheaper if I could grow it from a seed. Thanks very much! Marko Article 28086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Dec 2000 16:37:12 GMT References: <3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: A bee tree? Message-ID: <20001225113712.17248.00003170@nso-da.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28086 In article <3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr>, dule writes: > >Does anyone know how to grow a tree (or is it a bush?) by the name of >Evodia forst. or something like it? I can buy a plant but it would be >much cheaper if I could grow it from a seed. Thanks very much! > >Marko The Bee Bee Tree ( Evodia daniellii ) I think is what you want. G Forst described the Euodia Forst in 1775, which to my understanding, is now classified Evodia daniellii . Under the name Bee Bee Tree ( Evodia daniellii), you should be able to get seeds thru this newsgroup. Good luck. Article 28087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news.niehs.nih.gov!mencken.net.nih.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.atl!news2.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "ELScofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3A464FED.FB197908@gte.net> Subject: Re: Nuc boxes and Merry Christmas Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 06:19:15 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.10.44.52 X-Trace: news2.mco 977743125 63.10.44.52 (Mon, 25 Dec 2000 06:18:45 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 06:18:45 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28087 You might want to try Fred Rossman in Georgia, 912-985-7200 e-mail Jrossman@surfsouth.com . I know he sells cypress hives but I don't know about nucs. Merry Christmas, Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach USA > Does anyone know of a company that makes Cypress nucs? I thought that i > once saw them somewhere ( deep, medium, bottom,inner, and outer). Article 28088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!afrodite.telenet-ops.be!not-for-mail From: bob@lenaerts.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: did you ever see something like this ? 3776 Lines: 5 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:52:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.224.70.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pandora.be X-Trace: afrodite.telenet-ops.be 977849546 213.224.70.17 (Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:52:26 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:52:26 MET Organization: Pandora - Met vlotte tred op Internet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28088 take a look at http://www.webline.be and see the rates for hosting your site. Its almost for free. And you must check out its speed. WAAAAAUUUW. great. take a look sijknrfhzcopfpdwqoqlwlnqbwnstevrgnipuizwitueimueyzbwmrocwptbsboklzulkdnmzowqdnctoutrilj Article 28089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.hinet.hr!Iskon!not-for-mail From: dule Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bee tree? Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:14:45 +0100 Organization: Iskon Internet d.o.o. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3A48D205.91E4516@hpd.botanic.hr> References: <3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr> <20001225113712.17248.00003170@nso-da.aol.com> <3A47A89F.A296895F@hpd.botanic.hr> <3a47dba7.212073085@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-zg1102.iskon.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sunce.iskon.hr 977851266 5208 213.191.138.130 (26 Dec 2000 17:21:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@iskon.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Dec 2000 17:21:06 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: hr, en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28089 beekeep wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:05:51 +0100, dule > wrote: > > >Bob Pursley wrote: > >> > >> In article <3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr>, dule > >> writes: > >> > >> > > >> >Does anyone know how to grow a tree (or is it a bush?) by the name of > >> >Evodia forst. or something like it? I can buy a plant but it would be > >> >much cheaper if I could grow it from a seed. Thanks very much! > >> > > >> >Marko > >> > >> > >> The Bee Bee Tree ( Evodia daniellii ) I think is what you want. G Forst > >> described the Euodia Forst in 1775, which to my understanding, is now > >> classified Evodia daniellii . Under the name Bee Bee Tree ( Evodia > >> daniellii), you should be able to get seeds thru this newsgroup. Good luck. > > > >Thank you for the correct name of the tree, but my problem isn't getting > >the seeds, but growing it. It seems that they need some kind of special > >treatment to grow. > > > >Marko > > I believe you can get seeds from Richard Taylor. He has writtem about > growing them quite often in the bee mags. > > beekeep I don't need the seeds. I need instructions on how to grow them. Marko Article 28090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr> <20001225113712.17248.00003170@nso-da.aol.com> <3A47A89F.A296895F@hpd.botanic.hr> Subject: Re: A bee tree? Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:01:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.248.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 977850081 24.128.248.123 (Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:01:21 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:01:21 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28090 > Bob Pursley wrote: > Thank you for the correct name of the tree, but my problem isn't getting > the seeds, but growing it. It seems that they need some kind of special > treatment to grow. I haven't done it, but I have some trees growing from seeds, and the person I got them from said they need to be put in sand and frozen for some time (I don't remember how long, but it's probably a couple of months). He did the freezing treatment before giving away the seeds. Then plant them when the frost period has passed in the spring. -Steve Article 28091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 19:05:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <9285pb$dg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.158 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Dec 25 19:05:16 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x55.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.158 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28091 You know you are in a beekeeping family when everyone is making pollen substitute patties on Christmas eve instead of baking cookies.And when you overhear your 9 year old daughter explaining to her friends how to tie a truckers hitch. -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news.niehs.nih.gov!mencken.net.nih.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-hub.siol.net!news1.hinet.hr!Iskon!not-for-mail From: dule Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bee tree? Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:05:51 +0100 Organization: Iskon Internet d.o.o. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3A47A89F.A296895F@hpd.botanic.hr> References: <3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr> <20001225113712.17248.00003170@nso-da.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-zg0147.iskon.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sunce.iskon.hr 977775098 4763 213.191.129.47 (25 Dec 2000 20:11:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@iskon.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Dec 2000 20:11:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: hr, en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28092 Bob Pursley wrote: > > In article <3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr>, dule > writes: > > > > >Does anyone know how to grow a tree (or is it a bush?) by the name of > >Evodia forst. or something like it? I can buy a plant but it would be > >much cheaper if I could grow it from a seed. Thanks very much! > > > >Marko > > > The Bee Bee Tree ( Evodia daniellii ) I think is what you want. G Forst > described the Euodia Forst in 1775, which to my understanding, is now > classified Evodia daniellii . Under the name Bee Bee Tree ( Evodia > daniellii), you should be able to get seeds thru this newsgroup. Good luck. Thank you for the correct name of the tree, but my problem isn't getting the seeds, but growing it. It seems that they need some kind of special treatment to grow. Marko Article 28093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news.niehs.nih.gov!mencken.net.nih.gov!newsfeed2.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does lemon attract bees? Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 09:43:46 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 25 Message-ID: <928eg5$9an$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8pvc4t8l685df68l96d6ugbm1grh7t6ri8@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-174.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 977780037 9559 62.136.4.174 (25 Dec 2000 21:33:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Dec 2000 21:33:57 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28093 Bees use pheromones from their Nasonov gland as an attractant to 'call in' other bees. One of the components is E-citral which, as you might expect from its name, has a lemon scent so it is possible that Lemon Pledge will have a similar effect. I wonder how bees cope when working in a lemon orchard! "Frank" wrote in message news:8pvc4t8l685df68l96d6ugbm1grh7t6ri8@4ax.com... > Beg pardon if this is a frequently asked question, but I couldn't find > such a document or any relevant discussions in a Deja search ... > > Today my wife had the interesting idea of shining up the hardwood > floor in a couple of rooms with Lemon Pledge. She then opened a few > (screenless) windows to let it air. Within a half hour or so, we had > more than 10 honeybees buzzing around in the house. Is the smell of > lemon an attractant to them? I saw something on the web about the > scent being similar to bees' "sexual pheromones," but I wasn't sure if > this information was on the up and up, or a joke. Thanks much in > advance. > Article 28094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 23:42:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3a47daed.211886095@news1.radix.net> References: <9285pb$dg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p17.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28094 On Mon, 25 Dec 2000 19:05:16 GMT, loggermike wrote: > You know you are in a beekeeping family when everyone is making pollen >substitute patties on Christmas eve instead of baking cookies.And when >you overhear your 9 year old daughter explaining to her friends how to >tie a truckers hitch. > >-- >loggermike > > Tell me about it. It's Christmas and I have just finished packing all the bees to out in tomorow's mail. Merry Christmas to all beekeep Greg Ferris www.beesinabottle.com Article 28095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news.niehs.nih.gov!mencken.net.nih.gov!newsfeed2.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bee tree? Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 23:44:31 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3a47dba7.212073085@news1.radix.net> References: <3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr> <20001225113712.17248.00003170@nso-da.aol.com> <3A47A89F.A296895F@hpd.botanic.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: p17.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28095 On Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:05:51 +0100, dule wrote: >Bob Pursley wrote: >> >> In article <3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr>, dule >> writes: >> >> > >> >Does anyone know how to grow a tree (or is it a bush?) by the name of >> >Evodia forst. or something like it? I can buy a plant but it would be >> >much cheaper if I could grow it from a seed. Thanks very much! >> > >> >Marko >> >> >> The Bee Bee Tree ( Evodia daniellii ) I think is what you want. G Forst >> described the Euodia Forst in 1775, which to my understanding, is now >> classified Evodia daniellii . Under the name Bee Bee Tree ( Evodia >> daniellii), you should be able to get seeds thru this newsgroup. Good luck. > >Thank you for the correct name of the tree, but my problem isn't getting >the seeds, but growing it. It seems that they need some kind of special >treatment to grow. > >Marko I believe you can get seeds from Richard Taylor. He has writtem about growing them quite often in the bee mags. beekeep Article 28096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-11.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New and Improved for 2001 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:39:13 -0700 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <92avkg$6oc2c$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-11.internode.net (198.161.229.187) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 977863121 7090252 198.161.229.187 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28096 I've re-worked the navigation on my site a bit and tried to improve the performance for smaller screens and slower systems. There is a new set of pages relating to imidacloprid and providing background on the French experience with this product. Additionally the diary continues to be updated more or less daily, sometimes with interesting stuff, and sometimes less interesting stuff... allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 28097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.hinet.hr!not-for-mail From: "Goran1" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Book "Die Baumschulle" Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:21:41 +0100 Organization: HiNet Lines: 9 Message-ID: <92b2fq$blrh$6@as121.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ad9-m76.net.hinet.hr X-Trace: as121.tel.hr 977866042 382833 195.29.137.76 (26 Dec 2000 21:27:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@hinet.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:27:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28097 Buying a book "Die Baumschulle" author: Gerd Krüsmann. natasa.rap@vt.hinet.hr Article 28098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bee tree? Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:50:17 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3a492e76.298808240@news1.radix.net> References: <3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr> <20001225113712.17248.00003170@nso-da.aol.com> <3A47A89F.A296895F@hpd.botanic.hr> <3a47dba7.212073085@news1.radix.net> <3A48D205.91E4516@hpd.botanic.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28098 >> I believe you can get seeds from Richard Taylor. He has writtem about >> growing them quite often in the bee mags. >> >> beekeep > >I don't need the seeds. I need instructions on how to grow them. > >Marko Then get a hold of old copies of the bee mags and read them. beekeep Article 28099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr> Subject: Re: A bee tree? Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:26:46 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-bufAlMqI3zpAr6SeFspG0Ytszc/ZVewD95nsPQLY1gqw/6s3EZJ9UgBvWzFWfvuDSZKoRJGLgz03PQx!0bZPws5bN8Mp4b52x29g2ahK X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 01:26:48 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28099 Ok, I think I have the answer to your original question. You can find it at the following address listed under Evodia daniellii. http://www.anet.com/~manytimes/page64.htm For more info about this particular tree and others, go to this web address entitled "The Other Side of Beekeeping", designing a bee forage system. It has a great deal of info: http://www.ent.msu.edu/abj/sep96.html Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) "dule" wrote in message news:3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr... > Hi! > > Does anyone know how to grow a tree (or is it a bush?) by the name of > Evodia forst. or something like it? I can buy a plant but it would be > much cheaper if I could grow it from a seed. Thanks very much! > > Marko > Article 28100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Nancy W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How do I clean my wax? Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 20:38:20 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Nancy W" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28100 Can anyone share the best way to clean beeswax? We're making lip balm and have a ton of dirty wax. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Article 28101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-hub.siol.net!news1.hinet.hr!Iskon!not-for-mail From: dule Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bee tree? Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:26:38 +0100 Organization: Iskon Internet d.o.o. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3A4A6C9E.6DF85F03@hpd.botanic.hr> References: <3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-zg0835.iskon.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sunce.iskon.hr 977956439 20682 213.191.137.227 (27 Dec 2000 22:33:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@iskon.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Dec 2000 22:33:59 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: hr, en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28101 Hi! Not much use of the first site (been there, information is wrong), however the second one is great! Thanks. Mark wrote: > > Ok, I think I have the answer to your original question. You can find it at > the following address listed under Evodia daniellii. > > http://www.anet.com/~manytimes/page64.htm > > For more info about this particular tree and others, go to this web address > entitled "The Other Side of Beekeeping", designing a bee forage system. It > has a great deal of info: > > http://www.ent.msu.edu/abj/sep96.html > > Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) > > If what you're doing seems too hard..., > You're probably doing it wrong. :-) > > "dule" wrote in message > news:3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr... > > Hi! > > > > Does anyone know how to grow a tree (or is it a bush?) by the name of > > Evodia forst. or something like it? I can buy a plant but it would be > > much cheaper if I could grow it from a seed. Thanks very much! > > > > Marko > > Article 28102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-hub.siol.net!news1.hinet.hr!Iskon!not-for-mail From: dule Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bee tree? Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:29:34 +0100 Organization: Iskon Internet d.o.o. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3A4A6D4E.E8AC9754@hpd.botanic.hr> References: <3A4766AB.6D37C47A@hpd.botanic.hr> <20001225113712.17248.00003170@nso-da.aol.com> <3A47A89F.A296895F@hpd.botanic.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-zg0835.iskon.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sunce.iskon.hr 977956615 20803 213.191.137.227 (27 Dec 2000 22:36:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@iskon.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Dec 2000 22:36:55 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: hr, en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28102 Steve Huston wrote: > > > Bob Pursley wrote: > > Thank you for the correct name of the tree, but my problem isn't getting > > the seeds, but growing it. It seems that they need some kind of special > > treatment to grow. > > I haven't done it, but I have some trees growing from seeds, and the person > I got them from said they need to be put in sand and frozen for some time (I > don't remember how long, but it's probably a couple of months). He did the > freezing treatment before giving away the seeds. > > Then plant them when the frost period has passed in the spring. > > -Steve I will try freezing them. Some of my friends have tried it before but I tink none of them for more than a week or so. Thanks for advice. Marko Article 28103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Carmen D. Bates" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newbee (if you will) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:09:48 -0800 Organization: Prodigy http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <92e0al$6eni$1@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a020-0329.lsvg.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com 977962134 3033285 209.253.95.75 (28 Dec 2000 00:08:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Dec 2000 00:08:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28103 Dear Beekeepers: I am interested in beekeeping and a few questions remain. We live in "the city" area of Las Vegas, NV. By that I mean we are not in a "town & country" area or a "suburb". Is it possible to begin a small beekeeping venture in the heart of a city?. What about the climate? Arid, desert, mild winter. Looking forward to your input. Peace, Carmen Article 28104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.63!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbee (if you will) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:53:16 -0600 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <92e0al$6eni$1@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.63 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 977975600 7220481 216.167.138.63 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28104 Roof tops are good if you're in a city. Of course you must protect the bees from that desert heat. I don't know what the desert looks like around Las Vegas..in films about the mob and LV, when they take a body out to bury it in the desert, I noticed the surrounding terrain looked pretty bleak. You don't seem to have the diverse desert vegetation one sees down around Tucson, or the Rio Grande river in West Texas. However, there must be a lot of nectar sources in the city itself; that's where the bees will go anyway. This is not always good with so many people using personal insecticides. Good luck. C.K. Article 28105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news.niehs.nih.gov!mencken.net.nih.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A4B04B4.5ACF3D48@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> From: "S. R. Jones" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: National Organic Standard References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Spire Technologies Cache-Post-Path: gaspra.spiretech.com!unknown@h229.agalis.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 59 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:15:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.173.200.229 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 977994948 207.173.200.229 (Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:15:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:15:48 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28105 Thanks for the link Not much mentioned specifically about bees. From what I'm able to find, it looks like I may have to wait up to three years before I can label my honey as organic according to the National Organic Program (NOP). Not being very familiar with this process, I wonder--does the term "publish for comment " mean that ordinary citizens like me can provide input to the rule before being made final? Here's the actual quote: (2) Additional NOP Standards for Specific Production Categories. Many commenters asked that the NOP include in the final rule certification standards for apiculture, greenhouses, mushrooms, aquatic species, culinary herbs, pet food, and minor animal species (e.g., rabbits) food. The NOP intends to provide standards for categories where the Act provides the authority to promulgate standards. [[Page 80557]] During the 18-month implementation period, the NOP intends to publish for comment certification standards for apiculture, mushrooms, greenhouses and aquatic animals. These standards will build upon the existing final rule and will address only the unique requirements necessary to certify these specialized operations. .... Mark wrote: > For those of you who want to read the National Organic Standard posted in > today's Federal Register, but don't know where to find it, go to the > following address: > > http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aces140.html > > Then go to the search section midway down the page and search for 12/21/2000 > with a maximum records return of 200. > > After the page comes up, search that page for the word organic. You should > find three items. > > If you need more help, just email me. > > Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) > > If what you're doing seems too hard..., > You're probably doing it wrong. :-) > > -- > Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) > > If what you're doing seems too hard..., > You're probably doing it wrong. :-) Article 28106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbee (if you will) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:44:05 -0500 Lines: 48 Message-ID: <92fn4c$719cf$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <92e0al$6eni$1@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com> <92fisq$anv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 978018252 7382415 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28106 I thought about 6 months ago I saw a special on where there was one remaining beekeeper in Las Vegas that had to give up his bees as the threat of Africanized Bees were approaching that area. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html wrote in message news:92fisq$anv$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <92e0al$6eni$1@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>, > "Carmen D. Bates" wrote: > > Dear Beekeepers: > > > > I am interested in beekeeping and a few questions remain. We live > in "the > > city" area of Las Vegas, NV. By that I mean we are not in a "town & > > country" area or a "suburb". Is it possible to begin a small > beekeeping > > venture in the heart of a city?. > > > > What about the climate? Arid, desert, mild winter. > > > > Looking forward to your input. > > > > Peace, > > > > Carmen > > > Physically keeping bees is possible because some people keep them on > balconies of apartments or condominiums, or in attics. You have some > other things to think about though. Are they permitted by city zoning? > You need to place them so people don't walk too close to the front of > the hive. When bees leave the hive they usually fly upward so within > the first 10 or 15 feet they are high enough to be above people. You > don't want any accidental collisions. > > You really need to talk to a beekeeper in your area. Check local > health food stores and see who is selling honey or find them through to > State Bee inspector or county agricultural agent. > > Sincerely, > Herb in NW FL USA > > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ Article 28107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: National Organic Standard Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:30:23 -0600 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3A4B04B4.5ACF3D48@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYGC2BPRnijcA5N7OzIf8amZqZufoCKiupUSRSdB3J5OEfckcwSv9kA X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Dec 2000 14:31:22 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28107 in article 3A4B04B4.5ACF3D48@lycosmailNOSPAM.com, S. R. Jones at srjones@lycosmailNOSPAM.com wrote on 12/28/00 3:15 AM: > Not much mentioned specifically about bees. How interesting. And yet this was the information given to the beekeeping group, BEE-L. > From what I'm able to find, it looks like I may have to wait up to three years > before I can label my honey as organic according to the National Organic > Program > (NOP). > > Not being very familiar with this process, I wonder--does the term "publish > for > comment " mean that ordinary citizens like me can provide input to the rule > before being made final? Comment is still open for the organic standards in beekeeping and yes, you can provide input to the rule. There is a group of beekeepers currently organizing and pulling together information for addressing the organic standards. Updates will be posted at: http://www.egroups.com/group/BiologicalBeekeeping Regards, Barry Article 28108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbee (if you will) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:31:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 37 Message-ID: <92fisq$anv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <92e0al$6eni$1@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.79 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 28 14:31:53 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.79 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28108 In article <92e0al$6eni$1@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>, "Carmen D. Bates" wrote: > Dear Beekeepers: > > I am interested in beekeeping and a few questions remain. We live in "the > city" area of Las Vegas, NV. By that I mean we are not in a "town & > country" area or a "suburb". Is it possible to begin a small beekeeping > venture in the heart of a city?. > > What about the climate? Arid, desert, mild winter. > > Looking forward to your input. > > Peace, > > Carmen > Physically keeping bees is possible because some people keep them on balconies of apartments or condominiums, or in attics. You have some other things to think about though. Are they permitted by city zoning? You need to place them so people don't walk too close to the front of the hive. When bees leave the hive they usually fly upward so within the first 10 or 15 feet they are high enough to be above people. You don't want any accidental collisions. You really need to talk to a beekeeper in your area. Check local health food stores and see who is selling honey or find them through to State Bee inspector or county agricultural agent. Sincerely, Herb in NW FL USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I clean my wax? Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:05:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: <92g2st$oe1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.31.182 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 28 19:05:07 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.161.31.182 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28109 Here's what I do, although there are many other ways to clean wax. First, I use a 20 quart stainless steel pot and put approx. 3" of water in it. Place this on the stove and start heating it. Next, I float 2-3 of the small aluminum disposable bread pans on top of the water. Then, brake off chunks of the dirty wax and carefully place them in the aluminum bread pans. As the water gets hot, the wax will start to melt. Keep adding chunks of wax until the pan is about 2/3 full of liquid wax and junk. Usually at this point I let the pans cool until the wax hardens so that any residual honey will separate to the bottom of the pans. The beauty of the aluminum pans is that you can pull the sides out gently to release the solid wax AND, when they are bent beyond use, simply replace them. Anyway, if you want to do this in one heating you can simply slide a pair of clean ladies pantyhose (or knee highs) over another aluminum pan. Carefully remove the hot liquid wax pans from the pot and slowly pour the wax through the nylons and into the pan that is inside them. One recommendation, push the pan all the way down to the toes and work your way up the leg as the nylon becomes clogged with debris. You can also carefully twist the pan inside the nylons so you can use more of the surface area. When all your wax has been cleaned, just pull the pan out of the nylons and place it in the refrigerator to harden. You'll end up with some nice clean wax. P.S. After you have finished cleaning the wax, tie a knot in the nylons above the debris and then cut the leg off. Next time you clean wax, you can use the next section of that leg and keep going. Hope this helps, Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.hawaii.edu!not-for-mail From: Maren Purves Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbee (if you will) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:20:57 -1000 Organization: Joint Astronomy Centre, Hilo, HI Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3A4BA0A9.2A3A@jach.hawaii.edu> References: <92e0al$6eni$1@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com> <92fisq$anv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lilikoi.jach.hawaii.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.hawaii.edu 978034857 14587 128.171.90.227 (28 Dec 2000 20:20:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@hawaii.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Dec 2000 20:20:57 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28110 hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > "Carmen D. Bates" wrote: > in "the > > city" area of Las Vegas, NV. By that I mean we are not in a "town & > > country" area or a "suburb". Is it possible to begin a small > beekeeping > > venture in the heart of a city?. > > You need to place them so people don't walk too close to the front of > the hive. When bees leave the hive they usually fly upward so within > the first 10 or 15 feet they are high enough to be above people. You > don't want any accidental collisions. We talked to an Entomologist at the College here in Hilo, HI, and she said that she wouldn't recommend keeping bees in town (Hilo being town rather than city) because of the liability. You only have to have one neighbor who is allergic to bee stings. We decided we didn't want to deal with the liability (but we have land out-of-town too). Maren, in Hilo, HI (back to lurking) Article 28111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: apis mellifera mellifera Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:14:30 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 11 Message-ID: <92gi20$83j$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.10.210 X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 978045824 8307 209.23.10.210 (28 Dec 2000 23:23:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Dec 2000 23:23:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28111 Hi all, Looking for info on A.M.M. Most literature that I have come across seems very biased. Could someone (especially those who have them) list their characteristics. Also info on them from the turn of the century 1800's to 1950. State source please, thanks. Clayton Huestis Crown Point, NY Article 28112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: National Organic Standard Date: 29 Dec 2000 09:45:02 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <92i81e$88c$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <3A4B04B4.5ACF3D48@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28112 In article , Barry Birkey wrote: >in article 3A4B04B4.5ACF3D48@lycosmailNOSPAM.com, S. R. Jones at >srjones@lycosmailNOSPAM.com wrote on 12/28/00 3:15 AM: > > >> Not much mentioned specifically about bees. > >How interesting. And yet this was the information given to the beekeeping >group, BEE-L. Do you mean above, that the bee-l list was more receptive to the published standards, or what? >Comment is still open for the organic standards in beekeeping and yes, you >can provide input to the rule. There is a group of beekeepers currently >organizing and pulling together information for addressing the organic >standards. Updates will be posted at: >http://www.egroups.com/group/BiologicalBeekeeping Can you tell us more about this group? An historical background? Thanks, Adam (USDA and organic certification scares the hell out of me). -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 28113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone-pass-sjo.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Racoons Message-ID: <3a4cb9c7.1279243015@east.usenetserver.com> References: <3a4c05c6.1322285@news.btx.dtag.de> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 18 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: abuse@webusenet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:16:55 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:21:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28113 I have racoons in the abandoned buildings by my apiaries .. they are common in Nebraska .. never have heard of them messing with the hives before .. what did they do to your hives? Dave On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 03:47:27 GMT, 097323692-0001@t-online.de (Juergen Kerzinger) wrote: >Hi all the beemasters >have any one experience with this nice animals called " racoon"? >How can I protect my hives from them? > >Thanks for answers > >George > Article 28114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... Date: 29 Dec 2000 10:03:46 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <92i94i$aui$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <9285pb$dg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a47daed.211886095@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28114 Everyone in your family has propolis stains on their clothes at any given moment. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 28115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Dec 2000 18:46:12 GMT References: <3a4c05c6.1322285@news.btx.dtag.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: Racoons Message-ID: <20001229134612.12000.00000090@nso-mj.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28115 In article <3a4c05c6.1322285@news.btx.dtag.de>, 097323692-0001@t-online.de (Juergen Kerzinger) writes: > >Hi all the beemasters >have any one experience with this nice animals called " racoon"? >How can I protect my hives from them? > >Thanks for answers > Nice animals? I trapped 21 last year in my garden (humanely, of course) to keep them from my sweet corn and melons....They still ruined 4 of 5 crops of corn, and about 1/2 of my cantelopes. After humanely trapping them, each was shot in the head and buried. Article 28116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Racoons From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3a4c05c6.1322285@news.btx.dtag.de> Organization: Your Company Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/03.11.14 Lines: 17 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:08:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.190 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 978116882 198.161.229.190 (Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:08:02 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:08:02 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28116 >Hi all the beemasters >have any one experience with this nice animals called " racoon"? >How can I protect my hives from them? How about deer? We left some frames out for robbing and the deer trashed them. Ate everything and spread the wood around. I also know that the occasional horse will eat a beehive, wood and all -- it starts with 'cribbing' and goes from there -- but would not have suspected deer. Another Aberta beekeeer had trouble with coyotes opening hives and eating honey one winter. I can believe that because our dog used to like to eat honey if a frame was left out. allen http://www.rossrounds.com/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 28117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Evaluating Beekeeping Help From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) Organization: Your Company Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/03.11.14 Lines: 32 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:12:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.190 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 978117134 198.161.229.190 (Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:12:14 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:12:14 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28117 I recently began a project to list the skills and experience levels we seek when hiring beekeeping help, and to try to establish some linkage between these prerequisites and the pay scale to be expected -- both at time of hiring and as the help becomes more qualified over time. The project is based -- along with most of my writing these days -- at my diary pages at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/. This list of qualities should be interesting to anyone who keeps bees or is considering doing so, as well as those who hire help or are considering hiring on as beekeeping help. The direct link to the current copy of my list is http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/Evaluate.htm I will be working on it over time and hope to get it some kind of official status when complete. I'm hoping that others will jump in and help out with serious suggestions, (and maybe, inevitably, some less than serious suggestions). Write direct to allend@internode.net unless you think your contribution is either so excellent -- or so funny -- that it should go onto this newsgroup. To give some background, here's a quote from a recent diary page. " ...I discovered something quite fascinating relating to my current employee evaluation project. An HRDC kiosk that was set up to assist with job searches and I tried searching under 'beekeeper'. There was no such designation and the machine referred me to general farm labour. No wonder we have problems finding new help and maintaining a pool of skilled workers" No one realises that this is as much a trade as 'mechanic'"... allen http://www.rossrounds.com/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 28118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Racoons Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:47:49 -0500 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <92it9q$72veb$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <3a4c05c6.1322285@news.btx.dtag.de> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 978122875 7437771 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28118 My dog loves them all! Just can't get her near those skunks... -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:Xns9019773EAallendinternodenet@198.80.55.10... > >Hi all the beemasters > >have any one experience with this nice animals called " racoon"? > >How can I protect my hives from them? > > How about deer? We left some frames out for robbing and the deer trashed > them. Ate everything and spread the wood around. > > I also know that the occasional horse will eat a beehive, wood and all -- > it starts with 'cribbing' and goes from there -- but would not have > suspected deer. > > Another Aberta beekeeer had trouble with coyotes opening hives and eating > honey one winter. I can believe that because our dog used to like to eat > honey if a frame was left out. > > allen > http://www.rossrounds.com/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 28119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Maier_egon@heilbronn-franken.de (Egon Maier) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apis mellifera mellifera Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:58:08 GMT Message-ID: <3a4d15c9.5463256@news.newsfeeds.com> References: <92gi20$83j$1@newsfeed.logical.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: news Lines: 44 X-Authenticated-User: gezz X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.68.178!local-out.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!news.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!n1!anonymous!n1 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28119 Hi Clayton, informations you will find on http://www.woersching.net or http://www.bienen-netz.de Most informations are only in german, but with MANY pictures On woersching.net you will find the newest informations about american, german or european standards and cubital-index meassuring Mr. Woersching and i will meet polish bee institute people next week in Stettin to show them the pexa-messuring-computer-programm. For further questions write to: majordomus@bienen-netz.de Eberhard >Hi all, > >Looking for info on A.M.M. Most literature that I have come across seems >very biased. Could someone (especially those who have them) list their >characteristics. Also info on them from the turn of the century 1800's to >1950. State source please, thanks. > >Clayton Huestis >Crown Point, NY > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 28120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!194.25.134.62!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: 097323692-0001@t-online.de (Juergen Kerzinger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Racoons Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 03:47:27 GMT Organization: T-Online Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3a4c05c6.1322285@news.btx.dtag.de> Reply-To: 097323692-0001@t-online.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 978104771 01 24069 3a2gV8VSJ-iiI 001229 15:46:11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-Sender: 097323692-0001@t-dialin.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28120 Hi all the beemasters have any one experience with this nice animals called " racoon"? How can I protect my hives from them? Thanks for answers George Article 28121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!209.68.192.203!ragnarok.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Racoons Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:23:16 -0800 Organization: CTSnet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <92j9u2$1grj$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <3a4c05c6.1322285@news.btx.dtag.de> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 978135810 50035 204.216.255.92 (30 Dec 2000 00:23:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28121 We have many raccoons, but have never had any trouble with them and the bees. Coyotes, that is another story! "Juergen Kerzinger" <097323692-0001@t-online.de> wrote in message news:3a4c05c6.1322285@news.btx.dtag.de... > Hi all the beemasters > have any one experience with this nice animals called " racoon"? > How can I protect my hives from them? > > Thanks for answers > > George > Article 28122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 09:45:11 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Message-ID: References: <9285pb$dg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a47daed.211886095@news1.radix.net> <92i94i$aui$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 978169545 nnrp-10:23027 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.00 U Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28122 When, as last week, you see your four year old daughter in her bath scrubbing vigorously at the (clean) feet of her 'My Little Pony'. Then chastising the aforesaid pony for 'having propolis all over its hooves' (Incidentally, when I was able to speak again after being in kinks of laughter, she explained that propolis is 'greeny brown stuff, very sticky, and found at the bottom of ponds') -- Murray McGregor Article 28123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Dec 2000 14:25:14 GMT References: <20001230085758.05862.00000561@ng-cu1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... Message-ID: <20001230092514.12000.00000110@nso-mj.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28123 In article <20001230085758.05862.00000561@ng-cu1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) writes: > >When your 12 year-old firstborn loves to play "Mr. Macho," by taking >honeybees >off the playground clover and making them sting him, to show the schoolgirls >the pulsating stinger.... > My youngest when in kindergarden took a drone tied to a thread to school for show and tell. It cleared the school out....The principle telephoned me and asked me to never to do that again. Article 28124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9285pb$dg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A4E21FB.7D69EB85@together.net> Subject: Re: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <3zq36.138159$65.1099832@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:19:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 978203967 24.13.215.128 (Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:19:27 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:19:27 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28124 Oh man...that's wrong =) Happy New Year, Scot Mc Pherson michael palmer wrote in message news:3A4E21FB.7D69EB85@together.net... You know you are in a beekeeping family when one of your children becomes allergic to bee stings. Article 28125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A4E21FB.7D69EB85@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... 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  --------------1891CB84523DCB117579DFEA-- Article 28126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <92gi20$83j$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <20001230085040.05862.00000559@ng-cu1.aol.com> <92lbjn$5l2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Subject: Re: apis mellifera mellifera Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:26:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 978204360 24.13.215.128 (Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:26:00 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:26:00 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28126 I am just guessing, but I think the AMM is better suited to this native area...since they ARE native to the US. Scot Mc Pherson huestis wrote in message news:92lbjn$5l2$1@newsfeed.logical.net... > Hi Dave, > > Yes, Honeybees are the most benificial insects in the world one of the > reasons I keep them. No I'm not a bee basher and bees are my passion. Just > looking for characteristics of apis mellifera mellifera that haven't been > bashed by those who are prone to keeping other races. Don't need no grants > just wanted info on A.m.m. thats in English. Most sources say not to keep > the black bee. I was just wondering what's wong with them. Probably > nothing. That's the bias I was reffering to. > > Clay > > Dave Green wrote in message > news:20001230085040.05862.00000559@ng-cu1.aol.com... > > >Looking for info on A.M.M. Most literature that I have come across seems > > >very biased. > > > > Honeybees are one of the most beneficial insects in the world; stating > that is > > not bias; it's fact. Is that the "bias" you refer to? > > > > It has gotten popular in some circles lately to bash honeybees. The > attitude > > may help in getting research grants. Is this the "bias" you mean? > > > > Or? > > > > > > > > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. > Opinions > > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. > > Article 28127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apis mellifera mellifera Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:55:12 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 37 Message-ID: <92lbjn$5l2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <92gi20$83j$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <20001230085040.05862.00000559@ng-cu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.8.78 X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 978203063 5794 209.23.8.78 (30 Dec 2000 19:04:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Dec 2000 19:04:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28127 Hi Dave, Yes, Honeybees are the most benificial insects in the world one of the reasons I keep them. No I'm not a bee basher and bees are my passion. Just looking for characteristics of apis mellifera mellifera that haven't been bashed by those who are prone to keeping other races. Don't need no grants just wanted info on A.m.m. thats in English. Most sources say not to keep the black bee. I was just wondering what's wong with them. Probably nothing. That's the bias I was reffering to. Clay Dave Green wrote in message news:20001230085040.05862.00000559@ng-cu1.aol.com... > >Looking for info on A.M.M. Most literature that I have come across seems > >very biased. > > Honeybees are one of the most beneficial insects in the world; stating that is > not bias; it's fact. Is that the "bias" you refer to? > > It has gotten popular in some circles lately to bash honeybees. The attitude > may help in getting research grants. Is this the "bias" you mean? > > Or? > > > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <92j9u2$1grj$1@thoth.cts.com> <20001230084538.05862.00000557@ng-cu1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Racoons Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <_Dq36.138160$65.1099849@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:24:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 978204282 24.13.215.128 (Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:24:42 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:24:42 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28128 Are you using the Miller Entrance Feeder? If your problem is only one or few raccoons, the solution may be as simple as putting out a bowl of dogfood in easy reach for them. This works in residential type areas where raccoon populations are small and spread out. It worked for me when I had a raccoon troubling us with trash, the dog food bin and other such mischief. Feeding them dry dog food made them leave the other stuff alone I guess because they were full from the easy access stuff before they bothered with the harder fare. Scot Mc Pherson Dave Green wrote in message news:20001230084538.05862.00000557@ng-cu1.aol.com... > >We have many raccoons, but have never had any trouble with them and the > >bees. > > Racoons destoryed one of my bee yards when I was winter feeding them. I would > have preferred the possums; they love sugar, but are too stupid to tear a hive > apart. The coons took the covers off every hive in the yard (bricks and all!); > left them wide open for a cold rain, and most hives weren't worth saving > aftewards. The only time coons have been a problem is when feeding hives. > > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Dec 2000 13:45:38 GMT References: <92j9u2$1grj$1@thoth.cts.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Racoons Message-ID: <20001230084538.05862.00000557@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28129 >We have many raccoons, but have never had any trouble with them and the >bees. Racoons destoryed one of my bee yards when I was winter feeding them. I would have preferred the possums; they love sugar, but are too stupid to tear a hive apart. The coons took the covers off every hive in the yard (bricks and all!); left them wide open for a cold rain, and most hives weren't worth saving aftewards. The only time coons have been a problem is when feeding hives. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Dec 2000 13:50:40 GMT References: <92gi20$83j$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: apis mellifera mellifera Message-ID: <20001230085040.05862.00000559@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28130 >Looking for info on A.M.M. Most literature that I have come across seems >very biased. Honeybees are one of the most beneficial insects in the world; stating that is not bias; it's fact. Is that the "bias" you refer to? It has gotten popular in some circles lately to bash honeybees. The attitude may help in getting research grants. Is this the "bias" you mean? Or? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news.niehs.nih.gov!mencken.net.nih.gov!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Dec 2000 13:57:58 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... Message-ID: <20001230085758.05862.00000561@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28131 When your 12 year-old firstborn loves to play "Mr. Macho," by taking honeybees off the playground clover and making them sting him, to show the schoolgirls the pulsating stinger.... And your Number Two hides whenever you start the bee truck.... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: National Organic Standard Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 09:21:47 -0600 Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <3A4B04B4.5ACF3D48@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <92i81e$88c$1@saltmine.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaCbhvLSiRGFDcHprBpku2LTALNeGfQRGCOjSVQMUuaMimKBIWpdsPm X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Dec 2000 15:22:47 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28132 in article 92i81e$88c$1@saltmine.radix.net, Adam Finkelstein at adamf@saltmine.radix.net wrote on 12/29/00 8:45 AM: > In article , > Barry Birkey wrote: >> in article 3A4B04B4.5ACF3D48@lycosmailNOSPAM.com, S. R. Jones at >> srjones@lycosmailNOSPAM.com wrote on 12/28/00 3:15 AM: >> >> >>> Not much mentioned specifically about bees. >> >> How interesting. And yet this was the information given to the beekeeping >> group, BEE-L. > > Do you mean above, that the bee-l list was more receptive to the published > standards, or what? Hi Adam - What I meant by my comment was, is it not odd that an announcement was made to the beekeeping "industry" via email from a bee journal and mentioned on Bee-L about the USDA Organic Standards Announcement for organically grown agricultural products, with it stating, "This is the strongest and most comprehensive organic standard in the world," said Glickman. For consumers who want to buy organic foods, the standards ensure that they can be confident in knowing what they are buying.", yet in reality, this standard does not pertain at all to honey? Seems very misleading to me. Those beekeepers who want a high standard set for organic honey still need to speak up and get involved in the process. IT HASN'T BEEN DECIDED BY THE USDA YET. I'm afraid if it's left up to some, "organic" will still allow the use of some chemicals and drugs in the hive. I think they should be set higher than that or it's just a play on words. Here is more on the situation. http://www.beesource.com/news/article/organicprop.htm >> Comment is still open for the organic standards in beekeeping and yes, you >> can provide input to the rule. There is a group of beekeepers currently >> organizing and pulling together information for addressing the organic >> standards. Updates will be posted at: >> http://www.egroups.com/group/BiologicalBeekeeping > > Can you tell us more about this group? An historical background? Historically, there have been few beekeepers fighting for very high standards regarding organic honey. Now with the ever increasing use of stronger and stronger chemicals in the hive, more and more people are realizing that there is a growing market for "clean" honey and the financial return is quit good for this specialty honey. There is work underway to put together an international organic beekeeping association that will be a representation for those seeking the highest standard for clean honey. Will tell you more as it unfolds. Regards, Barry Article 28133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Maier_egon@heilbronn-franken.de (Egon Maier) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apis mellifera mellifera Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:48:34 GMT Message-ID: <3a4e722b.25782024@news.newsfeeds.com> References: <92gi20$83j$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <20001230085040.05862.00000559@ng-cu1.aol.com> <92lbjn$5l2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: news Lines: 41 X-Authenticated-User: gezz X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to You may also use our online abuse reporting from: http://www.newsfeeds.com/abuseform.htm X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 73,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!local-out.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!news.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!n1!anonymous!n1 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28133 On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:55:12 -0800, "huestis" wrote: >Hi Dave, > Hi Clay, the postulation over 100 years to keep carnica was WRONG ! Because they wanted a bee-race, that was satisfied with LESS sugar and small hives. The american way like "weaver" was good, but they didn´t recognize first the danger from varroa ! Today the american way with the dark (russian) bee is quite right, but i think the tests in the european counties with the dark bee will have good results. Even old institutes (ever postulated carnica) NOW testing the DARK bees! Keep on trying them. Kindly regards Eberhard >Yes, Honeybees are the most benificial insects in the world one of the >reasons I keep them. No I'm not a bee basher and bees are my passion. Just >looking for characteristics of apis mellifera mellifera that haven't been >bashed by those who are prone to keeping other races. Don't need no grants >just wanted info on A.m.m. thats in English. Most sources say not to keep >the black bee. I was just wondering what's wong with them. Probably >nothing. That's the bias I was reffering to. > >Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 28134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A4E74AA.50BE5A84@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apis mellifera mellifera References: <92gi20$83j$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <20001230085040.05862.00000559@ng-cu1.aol.com> <92lbjn$5l2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 53 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:50:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 978219934 206.231.24.8 (Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:45:34 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:45:34 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28134 No honey bees are native to the US. Scot Mc Pherson wrote: > I am just guessing, but I think the AMM is better suited to this native > area...since they ARE native to the US. > > Scot Mc Pherson > > huestis wrote in message > news:92lbjn$5l2$1@newsfeed.logical.net... > > Hi Dave, > > > > Yes, Honeybees are the most benificial insects in the world one of the > > reasons I keep them. No I'm not a bee basher and bees are my passion. > Just > > looking for characteristics of apis mellifera mellifera that haven't been > > bashed by those who are prone to keeping other races. Don't need no grants > > just wanted info on A.m.m. thats in English. Most sources say not to keep > > the black bee. I was just wondering what's wong with them. Probably > > nothing. That's the bias I was reffering to. > > > > Clay > > > > Dave Green wrote in message > > news:20001230085040.05862.00000559@ng-cu1.aol.com... > > > >Looking for info on A.M.M. Most literature that I have come across > seems > > > >very biased. > > > > > > Honeybees are one of the most beneficial insects in the world; stating > > that is > > > not bias; it's fact. Is that the "bias" you refer to? > > > > > > It has gotten popular in some circles lately to bash honeybees. The > > attitude > > > may help in getting research grants. Is this the "bias" you mean? > > > > > > Or? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > > > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. > > Opinions > > > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. > > > > Article 28135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.186!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apis mellifera mellifera Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:43:54 -0600 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <970t4toa9gnf1madq9jpv8ioaq7iqob9ts@4ax.com> References: <92gi20$83j$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <20001230085040.05862.00000559@ng-cu1.aol.com> <92lbjn$5l2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.186 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 978223440 7772577 216.167.138.186 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28135 >Scot Mc Pherson states: > but I think the AMM is better suited to this native >area...since they ARE native to the US. Native? They're not native. They're European immigrants. C.K. Article 28136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A4E8787.9A4AB96C@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... References: <9285pb$dg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A4E21FB.7D69EB85@together.net> <3zq36.138159$65.1099832@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 20:10:31 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 978224763 206.231.24.199 (Sat, 30 Dec 2000 20:06:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 20:06:03 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28136 You think so? Actually, my daughter's allergist says 1 in 10 members of beekeeping families will develop an allergy (1 in 200 is normal) by being exposed to bee protiens but not bee venom. The three families in Vermont with the largest apiaries all have members who have become allergic. Pure coincidence? Scot Mc Pherson wrote: > Oh man...that's wrong =) > > Happy New Year, > Scot Mc Pherson > > michael palmer wrote in message > news:3A4E21FB.7D69EB85@together.net... > You know you are in a beekeeping family when one of your children becomes > allergic to bee stings. Article 28137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader2.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9285pb$dg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A4E21FB.7D69EB85@together.net> <3zq36.138159$65.1099832@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> <3A4E8787.9A4AB96C@together.net> Subject: Re: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:52:11 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3a4e9e87$0$143@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.105.232.12 X-Trace: reader2.news.uu.net 978230919 143 63.105.232.12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28137 What did your allergist mean by "bee proteins"? I thought that dried venom in the clothing was what sensitized family members. michael palmer wrote in message news:3A4E8787.9A4AB96C@together.net... > You think so? Actually, my daughter's allergist says 1 in 10 members of > beekeeping families will develop an allergy (1 in 200 is normal) by being > exposed to bee protiens but not bee venom. The three families in Vermont with > the largest apiaries all have members who have become allergic. Pure > coincidence? Article 28138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 04:22:59 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <92mcb1$eom$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <9285pb$dg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A4E21FB.7D69EB85@together.net> <3zq36.138159$65.1099832@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> <3A4E8787.9A4AB96C@together.net> <3a4e9e87$0$143@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.136 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Dec 31 04:22:59 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.136 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28138 In article <3a4e9e87$0$143@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net>, "Spike Psarris" wrote: > What did your allergist mean by "bee proteins"? I thought that dried venom > in the clothing was what sensitized family members. > > michael palmer wrote in message > news:3A4E8787.9A4AB96C@together.net... > > You think so? Actually, my daughter's allergist says 1 in 10 members of > > beekeeping families will develop an allergy (1 in 200 is normal) by being > > exposed to bee protiens but not bee venom. The three families in Vermont > with > > the largest apiaries all have members who have become allergic. Pure > > coincidence? > > This I have heard of before,and thought was the venom on clothes after working bees.Can this be prevented by washing our workclothes seperately or maybe with bleach or something?This is something we should be aware of if we can do anything to prevent it.Any expert opinions? -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: stargateopen@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Check out new beekeeping club Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 04:21:57 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <26817-3A4EFAB5-101@storefull-256.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhR0oyKB10mtZM48pcNa3EkVQ4PJuAIVAKlm/NqR0X64xxgdCSTJjVZlmrjp Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28139 Hi fellow beekeepers check out new club and join. http:/www.egroups.com/group/beeyardpictureshintsnews Article 28140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: National Organic Standard Date: 31 Dec 2000 04:47:52 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <92mvc8$bk8$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <92i81e$88c$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28140 In article , Barry Birkey wrote: >What I meant by my comment was, is it not odd that an announcement was made >to the beekeeping "industry" via email from a bee journal and mentioned on >Bee-L about the USDA Organic Standards Announcement for organically grown >agricultural products, with it stating, "This is the strongest and most >comprehensive organic standard in the world," said Glickman. For consumers >who want to buy organic foods, the standards ensure that they can be >confident in knowing what they are buying.", yet in reality, this standard >does not pertain at all to honey? Sadly, this sounds accurate. The USDA means well, but often they completely miss the point. I worked for the USDA for 8 months. I experienced this phenomena. As you've stated, the best policy for a realistic and honest "Organic" standard for honey would need authoring and input from actual bee keepers. Please if possible, include the readership here. Any Organic Certification for honey production information would be excellent reading and topic for discussion. >Here is more on the situation. >http://www.beesource.com/news/article/organicprop.htm Thanks for this url. >>> http://www.egroups.com/group/BiologicalBeekeeping Would someone post these to this group? Or send them to me and I'll post them? Thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 28141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:08:38 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Message-ID: <5M$kLqAmWwT6EwOw@denrosa.demon.co.uk> References: <9285pb$dg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A4E21FB.7D69EB85@together.net> <3zq36.138159$65.1099832@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> <3A4E8787.9A4AB96C@together.net> <3a4e9e87$0$143@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net> <92mcb1$eom$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 978257398 nnrp-04:13972 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.00 U Lines: 61 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28141 This is something of an old thread now being rehashed under a different guise. Allergy in beekeepers families is commonplace. I also admit to knowing nothing about it until my wife took anaphylactic shock one day whilst hanging out her washing in her bare feet and trod on a bee on a clover head. Three weeks later my older son (8 at the time) was rushed to hospital after an allergy attack when out with me looking round some bee sites one evening. Not so severe as anaphylactic shock but alarming just the same. A year later his twin sister had the same, and soon after the younger son, aged 4, sat on a bee at his nursery and had an attack. So, we had four allergic family members. Time for a bit of research. We found a book by Dr Laurie croft, the name of which invariably escapes me, regarding bee sting allergy and its causes. Now, although there is divergent opinion on exactly what sensitises people to stings, with some favouring dried venom, others bee hairs and other proteins, it is best to play safe and assume that ALL these will cause it ( for practical purposes it doesnt matter, you could not remove them seperately anyway). It was recommended that beekeepers do NOT bring their overalls home to wash, rather do so at the bee shed or wherever, anywhere but the home. We did this, installed a washing machine at our premises, and banned all staff from taking bee related work clothes home with them. We now have two more young daughters, and decided to have them given a RAST (dont know what it stands for, but it is an allergy test) test to see what level of risk they are at. It reports your risk level on scale of 0 to 5, zero is no, or very little risk, 5 is risk of death. Oldest daughter tested at a 4, mother at 4 to 5, younger daughters 0 to 1. Therefore all those exposed to the dust (of whatever nature) from the suits coming home are allergic, and those never exposed to it are not allergic. An interesting footnote to this is that the washing machine was installed in a kitchen area at work, and we have a small unit through the door from it where we manufacture mustard as a sideline. A year after we changed the washing arrangements the girl who makes the mustard turned out allergic, having been quite normal a year before when stung in the extracting room. I know that is circumstantial, but seem quite a powerful bit of evidence to me. My oldest daughter (now 24) is undergoing desensitisation treatment now as she works in the business, and one day hopes to take over, so we are all hoping it goes well for her, and we will never forget the lessons of how she became allergic in the first place. Anyone got any more amusing anecdotes, which is why I think the thread was started in the first place? Murray -- Murray McGregor Article 28142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!64.152.100.70!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <92gi20$83j$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <20001230085040.05862.00000559@ng-cu1.aol.com> <92lbjn$5l2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <970t4toa9gnf1madq9jpv8ioaq7iqob9ts@4ax.com> Subject: Re: apis mellifera mellifera Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:50:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 978270615 24.13.215.128 (Sun, 31 Dec 2000 05:50:15 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 05:50:15 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28142 OK aren't AMM simply honey bees? And aren't the domestic honey bees we are familiar with now of mostly European descent? Maybe I am wrong but thats what all the books seems to say both new and old (I have a thing for old bee books). Scot Mc Pherson Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:970t4toa9gnf1madq9jpv8ioaq7iqob9ts@4ax.com... > >Scot Mc Pherson states: > > > but I think the AMM is better suited to this native > >area...since they ARE native to the US. > > Native? They're not native. They're European immigrants. > > C.K. Article 28143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9285pb$dg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A4E21FB.7D69EB85@together.net> <3zq36.138159$65.1099832@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> <3A4E8787.9A4AB96C@together.net> Subject: Re: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <%VG36.139853$65.1102264@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:56:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 978270971 24.13.215.128 (Sun, 31 Dec 2000 05:56:11 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 05:56:11 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28143 I was expressing how aweful it is to be allergic to your own bee yards...hence the "Oh Man, that's wrong" IOW: It's Aweful It Sucks It's Terrible It's Heinous tadda It's Wrong Sorry...culture gap...I am somewhat of a reformed hippy and sometimes the old ways show through. That's would have been a very hippy way to respond to you. Scot Mc Pherson michael palmer wrote in message news:3A4E8787.9A4AB96C@together.net... > You think so? Actually, my daughter's allergist says 1 in 10 members of > beekeeping families will develop an allergy (1 in 200 is normal) by being > exposed to bee protiens but not bee venom. The three families in Vermont with > the largest apiaries all have members who have become allergic. Pure > coincidence? > > Scot Mc Pherson wrote: > > > Oh man...that's wrong =) > > > > Happy New Year, > > Scot Mc Pherson > > > > michael palmer wrote in message > > news:3A4E21FB.7D69EB85@together.net... > > You know you are in a beekeeping family when one of your children becomes > > allergic to bee stings. > > > Article 28144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A4F43F2.CDB098C1@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... References: <9285pb$dg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A4E21FB.7D69EB85@together.net> <3zq36.138159$65.1099832@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> <3A4E8787.9A4AB96C@together.net> <3a4e9e87$0$143@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net> <92mcb1$eom$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 53 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:34:27 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 978273005 206.231.24.100 (Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:30:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:30:05 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28144 I am certainly not an expert on allergies. I have been led to believe that it is exposure to "bee dust" (bee protiens) on your clothes and in your vehicle that cause this reaction. The afflicted person in not stung often, and builds up the wrong type of antibodies. Example: a friend of mine is an entomologist specializing in a type of beetle. Just by handling this species he has developed a severe allergy to them. He has been pacially desensitized by injection. Still suffers conjestion, and lets his students do most of the hands on work. I may be wrong, but I don't believe there is much dried venom on my clothes or in my truck. I do wash my hands after each yard, and don't wear gloves or suits. I change my clothes daily and wash them seperate from my families clothes. I believe the way to prevent developing an allergy is to be exposed to bee venom. This means being stung by bees with some frequency. For the beekeeper it means shedding your bee gloves. For the family members it means receiving a sting once a month. If I have got it all wrong, someone who knows please set me right. Mike loggermike wrote: > In article <3a4e9e87$0$143@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net>, > "Spike Psarris" wrote: > > What did your allergist mean by "bee proteins"? I thought that dried > venom > > in the clothing was what sensitized family members. > > > > michael palmer wrote in message > > news:3A4E8787.9A4AB96C@together.net... > > > You think so? Actually, my daughter's allergist says 1 in 10 > members of > > > beekeeping families will develop an allergy (1 in 200 is normal) by > being > > > exposed to bee protiens but not bee venom. The three families in > Vermont > > with > > > the largest apiaries all have members who have become allergic. Pure > > > coincidence? > > > > This I have heard of before,and thought was the venom on clothes > after working bees.Can this be prevented by washing our workclothes > seperately or maybe with bleach or something?This is something we > should be aware of if we can do anything to prevent it.Any expert > opinions? > > -- > loggermike > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ Article 28145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: National Organic Standard From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <92i81e$88c$1@saltmine.radix.net> <92mvc8$bk8$1@saltmine.radix.net> Organization: Your Company Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/03.11.14 Lines: 79 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:30:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.187 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 978280216 198.161.229.187 (Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:30:16 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:30:16 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28145 My comments are at the end of the quoted material: ---- >> ...consumers who want to buy organic foods, the standards >>ensure that they can be confident in knowing what they are buying.", >>yet in reality, this standard does not pertain at all to honey? > >Sadly, this sounds accurate. The USDA means well, but often they >completely miss the point. I worked for the USDA for 8 months. I >experienced this phenomena. As you've stated, the best policy for a >realistic and honest "Organic" standard for honey would need authoring >and input from actual bee keepers. >>...http://www.beesource.com/news/article/organicprop.htm ---- From the above URL: "Several commenters, including producer and industry groups, pointed out that bees differ significantly from other livestock types and that the first proposal lacked sufficient details to guide honey producers. Many consumers stated that the provisions proposed for bee forage, which required only that a predominant portion of the bees' forage be organic, were too vague and lenient." "Recognizing that the provisons in the first proposal for certifying beekeeping operations were inadequate, we removed them entirely from this proposal. We will review the detailed production and handling standards for beekeeping operations that several certifying agents have developed and assess the feasibility of developing a practice standard. The [National Organic Standards Board] has agreed to review and recommned an apiculture practice standard for organic honey production and hive care, including the origin of organic bees." --- There has been a lot of discussion on BEE-L about this matter and the archives, accessible via http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/, contain quite a bit of discussion on this topic. Those very discussions may have even had some influence on the decision not to include honey at this time. Search for 'organic' and 'HACCP' for starters. To sum up: The whole question of organic honey production is a difficult one, inasmuch as the source and treatment of the bees and what is in the hive is only half the question. Bees forage widely and somewhat indiscriminately. As far as the half of the problem that is under our control, there are currently many experiments underway to determine whether honey bees can actually be maintained with consistent and universal success without use of chemicals in today's Europe and North America. The other half is a bit tougher when we consider the range of a honey bee hive's foraging and the unknown nature of the contents of even familiar terrain. (Ask Jerry Bromenshenk about this or search for 'mines' or jjbmail@selway.umt.edu as author at the above site). Avoiding exposure to chemicals -- and being able to prove it is almost impossible when we consider the ubiquitous application of insecticides and ubiquitous presence of wastes. Beekeepers in very remote areas have had analyses done for existing organic certification and not been successful. The fact that systemics are becoming widespread (see http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Imidacloprid/ ) adds even another kink into the problem. This goal of organic honey is ideal in nature. Practical attempts have so far been unsuccessful and the industry consensus to date has been to do the best we can, but keep working on it and in the meantime, to let sleeping dogs lie. We are all working to reduce chemical and pesticide use in our apiaries, but the other half of the equation is out of our hands. FWIW: Although 'organic' certification is one approach to attempting to certify food purity, and one that appeals to those who think idealistically and not always too logically, the current movement towards universal HACCP is a relentless pressure from the other direction -- those who think practically and very logically. Personally, if I have to choose, I prefer the HACCP approach -- if have to choose one. No matter which prevails, all food production is coming more and more under the microscope, or should I say the spectrograph. allen Article 28146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:38:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <92nndi$bhp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <9285pb$dg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A4E21FB.7D69EB85@together.net> <3zq36.138159$65.1099832@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> <3A4E8787.9A4AB96C@together.net> <%VG36.139853$65.1102264@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.155 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Dec 31 16:38:10 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.155 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28146 > > > >Ha!another hippy from the 60s(reformed or otherwise).I guess there are still a few of us around(who would never admit it)Im 47 years old and still like to listen to Pink Floyd at full volume blasting from my truck stereo while working bees. Anyhow this thread was started in a lighthearted manner because it seems we have so many real problems bearing down on us that sometimes we just get too serious and negative.But the allergy thing was just too important to ignore and I learned from it.And we really enjoyed and could relate to the others. > > -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: You know you are in a beekeeping family........... Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:07:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <92np4d$cq9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <9285pb$dg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A4E21FB.7D69EB85@together.net> <3zq36.138159$65.1099832@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> <3A4E8787.9A4AB96C@together.net> <%VG36.139853$65.1102264@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> <92nndi$bhp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.155 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Dec 31 17:07:27 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.155 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28147 You know you are in a BK family when Dad suddenly anounces"Starting next spring everyones going>to the beeyard to get stung regularly" "NO WAY" yells the 9 year old.> > > > > -- > loggermike > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ > -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Evaluating Beekeeping Help Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:22:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <92npvv$dit$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.155 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Dec 31 17:22:11 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x69.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.155 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28148 In article , allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) wrote: > I recently began a project to list the skills and experience levels we seek > I dont know if I can reprint a quote from the May 1993 National Geographic but here goes:Jim Robertson,a CA. beekeeper said"A guy came up to me once and said,'I got a boy. He's not too bright,and he don't get along with people-but you ought to hire him.He'd make a real good beekeeper'. > -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/