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GOTO : http://www.geocities.com/FashionAvenue/3120 --BIG GHOST-- Article 10380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: josephj@surf-NOiciSPAM.com (Mushroom) Subject: Re: winterizing the hive References: <347B74B8.C98A563C@mail.sgi.net> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 06:16:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ip2-dialup01.surf-ici.com Message-ID: <347bbf11.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 18 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10380 In article <347B74B8.C98A563C@mail.sgi.net>, Tim & Sue Ellen wrote: >I am new to bee keeping can anybody tell me the best way to winterize my >hive for cold weather? > >Tim PA. > Where are you? For most temperate climates it is fine to allow the bees to gather enough food for the winter on thier own.....In fact mine were out carousing today in Indiana at 50ish weather. By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation. All incoming unsolicited commercial traffic will therefore be billed at a rate of $500 per msg to compensate for loss of service. Article 10381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "Dr. Lalo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:49:49 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 55 Message-ID: <347C370D.2E6C@earthlink.net> References: <346FC2BC.10FE@earthlink.net> <19971125052800.AAA09469@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.26.125.114 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10381 Pollinator wrote: > > In article <346FC2BC.10FE@earthlink.net>, "Dr. Lalo" > writes: > > >Kathy Hough wrote: > > > > Ladislao Guerra wrote: > > > > > In my area (Long > >Island, New York.. > > > > > > Honey prices are as high as $5/pound!! > > > > > > > >Lalo > > > > I'm moving to Long Island! > > Yes...but the cost of living on LI > >are extremely high...eg...rental of 3 > bedroom house $15oo-2,000....gas $1.25 > >for cheapest...milk $2.15 a > gallon! > > Think twice before you moe to > >LI! > > That's a different economy. How about moving to rural South Carolina and > sell your honey in Long Island? On second thought, why am I suggesting that to > you? I should be doing that myself. > > Regular unleaded is 97.9 here in Hemingway, a decent three bedroom house can > be rented for around $300/mo. Of course we get *only* $3.25 for a pint of > honey > (1 1/2 #). Wholesale is $28/case. > > Say, that Long Island honey isn't Kosher, is it? An acquaintance got his > approved for the Kosher stamp. He says it doubled the value. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm The reason why local honey on LI commands higher price is because people are willing to pay more for honey that has LOCAL pollens for their allergies. To them it makes no sense to buy honey from South Carolina when they are allergic to pollens from NY. Lalo Article 10382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive wood specs Date: 26 Nov 1997 13:11:26 GMT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <19971126131101.IAA16278@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <347BA475.6FBB@gisco.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10382 > >I think that using 4/4 unplaned and only taking 1/8 off won't give a >very good finished board. Might be better off starting with 5/4 rough >or finished stock and plane it to 7/8. > > > > > > > If your wood comes from a crosseyed sawyer this is true I plane on light pass on each side of 4/4 pick the side that will plane the smoothest for the inside and if a little roughness remains it becomes the paint side. also a quick and dirty guage at the planer is an open end wrench. Article 10383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mineral oil ffor mites Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:54:12 -0800 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 59 Message-ID: <347C5433.B3D@starpoint.net> References: <3474F157.5771@starpoint.net> <347B6115.2C4C@ibm.ten> NNTP-Posting-Host: sol-5.starpoint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10383 P h i l wrote: > > Any chance of you posting more specific details on this in the NG for > us> Like formula, how applied, when applied, etc.... > TIA > -- > P h i l > --antispam - to reply via email, remove the 23 and change the ten to net > --x-no-archive: yes Move to line 1 for newsgroups > > Elroy Rogers wrote: > > > > Last summer there was a lot of talk of the use of mineral oil for the > > control of the varroa mite. Has anyone else had success or failure using > > mineral oil? > > > > I've been using mineral oil mixed with sugar water in a spray bottle, > > then spraying the front of the hive, inside top cover and on top of > > bars. I used 3 cups sugar, 3 cups water 4-5 oz mineral oil. You can put 6 drops of spearmint oil or wintergreen oil in to get a faster mite kill, but bees seem to be annoyed by it. Put the mixture in spray bottle and shake before spraying to get mineral oil to mix with sugar water, you must shake the spray bottle every minute or mineral oil will separate. I sprayed the fronts of the hive with the mixture weting it completely try to get the sprayer to spray in a mist so as not to cause large puddles. If this is done early in the morning the bees will come out and clean it all up. I think this is most likely feed to the brood instead of going into any stores. Spraying the inside of cover is optional I did it when I checked the honey supers, it will help get results faster. I checked my bees last summer once every week, I treated them on each visit. The brood is being capped every 8 days so I thought the weekly time period would work well. The type of spray bottle I used was a gallon sprayer that would hold all the mixture it also had a pump on top, the small 1 pint sprayers work well also. > > I have excellent returns from the state bee inspector, who said it > > would'nt work before the test was done. He did an ether roll out of > > samples taken from 10 of the 40 colonies I now have, the result was 1 > > mite from about 300 bees. The same test was done on a commercial > > operators colonies the same day and location, which resulted in 10 mites > > from 300 bees. The results could have been zero mite on my test if I had > > been diligent in treating every week in the fall. I had not treated my > > colonies for mite since the middle of august. These bees are now in > > california, I am very anxious to see what returns to us in the spring. > > > > I have made a believer of one other beekeeper on the use of mineral oil > > for the control of mites. The commercial beekeeper I bought my nucs from > > is going to try mineral oil in the spring. This is such an easy way to > > treat your colonies even for the large beekeepers. I am positive that > > everyone who tries this method will be sold on it. If everyone uses this > > method I think the mites can be wiped out completely. > > > > I hope this will help someone in the fight to control the varroa mite > > > > Elroy Article 10384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunetukout!taps.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!airtimetmp!news.airtime.co.uk!airtime.co.uk!parker From: "Chris Parker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mineral oil ffor mites Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:25:11 +0000 Organization: At Home... Lines: 21 Message-ID: <33011251897645ntc@airtime.co.uk> References: <3474F157.5771@starpoint.net> Reply-To: parker@airtime.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: aj187.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NetcGold Professional - 3.02N (Gamma) 12000000 (c)1994-1997 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10384 On 21 Nov 1997 Elroy Rogers wrote ... > I've been using mineral oil mixed with sugar water in a spray bottle, > then spraying the front of the hive, inside top cover and on top of > bars. Elroy, this sounds very interesting. I'd like to understand a little more re your mineral oil and where you get it from. What, precisely, do you mean by Mineral oil ? Do you have a particular type, trade name etc ? Do you buy this from your pharmacy ? I hope you can clarify this for me !! -- Chris Parker Article 10385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Gallons = ? lbs Date: 27 Nov 1997 00:34:06 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <65if5u$45l@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.21.80 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10385 Chris, 1 gallon 11lb., 13.2 oz average. 1lb having a volume of 10.78 fl oz This makes your quarts close to 3 lbs Pete CC wrote in article ... > Can anyone give me a decent estimate of how many pounds of honey make up a > gallon? > > We usually fill up quart jars, we don't have standard honey jars.. > > -- > Chris Conroy cc@broadwing.com > Broadwing Communications Inc. > "helping your ideas take flight" > Video * Multimedia * WWW Designs > http://www.broadwing.com > 603/497-4072 € 603/497-6066 (fax) > Remove the phrase"nocrap." from my email address before responding. > Article 10386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hello! A question from an interested lurker. Date: 27 Nov 1997 00:54:11 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <65igbj$93q@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <346F5F94.75B6@ibm.ten> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.21.80 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10386 P h i l wrote in article <346F5F94.75B6@ibm.ten>... > Hello! > I have a few questions I hope someone will answer. > > 1. A local honey seller at the farmers market made the remark that > beeswax was actually pure pollen. I always thought beeswax was secreted > from the abdomen in flakes, then used by the bees. WHat is the truth on > wax? Snip If you believe the adage you are what you eat, this could be true. Otherwise not the same. Pete Article 10387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mlee4321@aol.com (MLee4321) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Gallons = ? lbs Date: 27 Nov 1997 01:19:04 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19971127011901.UAA18849@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10387 You could weigh an empty jar, fill and reweigh. the accepted figure is 12lbs/gallon; however a very accurate scale will prove it is a fraction of an ounce less and varies with the moisture content Article 10388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mlee4321@aol.com (MLee4321) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: making votive candles Date: 27 Nov 1997 01:34:20 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19971127013401.UAA20462@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10388 most candles purchased at market are purchased as decorations and are not burned. When making candles I expect to burn in a new mold I always make a couple (or more) with different wicks and test them. From your wick supplyer ask about special wicks for voitives. They have a metal compontant that causes a lot a wax to melt making a puddle of melted wax held by the container holding the candel. Thats a wordy way a saying you need a fatter wick. I hope this is heldful (micky) Article 10389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!quark.scn.rain.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Labels Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:09:28 -0800 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: <347CE468.7C7A@teleport.com> References: <19971124183101.NAA01475@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-18.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) To: DougB713 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10389 Hi Doug, I've been very pleased with Label Solutions in Eugene, OR. They do have minimum orders, but their prices are great. They have a wide selection of label stock and adhesives choices. Ask for Phil, 541-341-3992 Paul Cauthorn DougB713 wrote: > > Need more labels. Who have you found (US) that has good quality, service and > prices. Anyone printing their own? Article 10390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uninett.no!pravda.tisip.no!not-for-mail From: "Anthony N. Morgan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: winterizing the hive Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 14:48:05 -0800 Organization: HiST-elektro Lines: 47 Message-ID: <347DF8A5.13D1@iet.hist.no> References: <347B74B8.C98A563C@mail.sgi.net> <347bbf11.0@news3.paonline.com> Reply-To: anthony@iet.hist.no NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10390 > Tim & Sue Ellen wrote: >I am new to bee keeping can anybody tell me the best way to winterize my >hive for cold weather? > >Tim PA. > Mushroom wrote: > > Where are you? For most temperate climates it is fine to allow the bees to > gather enough food for the winter on thier own.....In fact mine were out > carousing today in Indiana at 50ish weather. > Hi Tim, 1. Where you are located climatically is of prime importance wrt winterising. Here in mid-Norway we use insulated hives all the year round and have not found it necessary to add further insulation for the winter. walls: approx 1 inch of styropor or rockwool between two layers of wood; 4mm ply inner surface and 10mm pine panelling outer surface. Roof: approx 2 inches styropor. Floor: dead air insulation in a baraas ventilated floor.(with hive stand under, *not* stood directly on the ground) Hobby beekeeepers seldom palletise or group hives, simple rows are normally used. 2. Wind is highly important even if your climate is relatively temperate -- remember "chill factor"! Erect a wind break to shield your hives from the prevailing winter wind. This is particularly important if the wind blows directly towards the hive entrance. If the wind comes directly towards the end hive in a row such that this acts as a windbreak for the rest of the row, then this hive should be wrapped/insulated for added protection. Otherwise you will find that this downwind hive uses more winter stores and can in the worst case starve. A weekly heft of the hives ( or a more accurate weighing ) is sensible so that one can immediately react if a hive uses an unexpected amount of stores. 3. If your hives dont have brood in the winter (unlikely if you are wondering about winterising) removing all the honey and feeding with sugar syrup is sensible if, as here, honey sells for more than the price of sugar (factor of 12 difference here!!) Anthony N Morgan Trondheim, Norway Article 10391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: 27 Nov 1997 15:32:15 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <19971127153201.KAA16316@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <347C370D.2E6C@earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10391 From: "Dr. Lalo" >The reason why local honey on LI commands higher price is because people >are willing to pay more for honey that has LOCAL pollens for their >allergies. To them it makes no sense to buy honey from South Carolina >when they are allergic to pollens from NY. Right! --Which is why I'm not shipping to LI. The local market in SC takes every bit I can produce....... I guess that's a good marketing strategy for most beekeepers: use the "local" angle. Then again, I find that some folks insist on honey within a couple miles of their home. I suggest to these folks that they keep their own bees........ Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: stephen.donovan@businesson.com Subject: Re: winterizing the hive Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:51:08 -0600 Message-ID: <880695705.22095@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail References: <347B74B8.C98A563C@mail.sgi.net> <347bbf11.0@news3.paonline.com> <347DF8A5.13D1@iet.hist.no> X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Nov 28 05:41:46 1997 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: stephen.donovan@businesson.com X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (Win95; U) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 205.138.24.30 () Lines: 54 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10392 In article <347DF8A5.13D1@iet.hist.no>, anthony@iet.hist.no wrote: > > > Tim & Sue Ellen wrote: > >I am new to bee keeping can anybody tell me the best way to winterize my > >hive for cold weather? > > > >Tim PA. > > > Mushroom wrote: > > > > Where are you? For most temperate climates it is fine to allow the bees to > > gather enough food for the winter on thier own.....In fact mine were out > > carousing today in Indiana at 50ish weather. > > > Hi Tim, > > 1. Where you are located climatically is of prime importance wrt > winterising. > Here in mid-Norway we use insulated hives all the year round and have > not found it necessary to add further insulation for the winter. > .... > Anthony N Morgan > Trondheim, Norway Can any of you help me out with a local bee problem??? I am not a bee keeper, but have bee problems at home. Please help me decide what to do now. I am located in attleboro ma. I have a 40 ft tree in front of house. After leaves turned colors and dropped from tree in the fall, we noticed a bee hive about 20 ft up in the tree. Dimensions: conical, about 1 ft dia on top, point end down, about 1 ft height. During the summer, there seemed to be a greater amount of bees in front of house vs rear of house (victorian, 3 story, about 40 ft by 40 ft). Questions: 1. How can I tell if bees still live in it? 2. How can I tell if bees are alive? 3. If nest is not used, will bees return there in next warmer season, or build new? 4. I would like to take it down in one piece and possibly use it for show and tell for children at school, but not knowing any of the above, safety first.... 5. My other option is to destroy it if it MAY be in use. 6. Weather now about 20-40 deg temp, light snow starting for the season. 7. No bee activity noted at this time around house or hive. Comments???? thanks for help..steved -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 10393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: tvoivozd Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: winterizing the hive Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:38:16 -0500 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 42 Message-ID: <347E4AB7.73E8226C@roanoke.infi.net> References: <347B74B8.C98A563C@mail.sgi.net> <347bbf11.0@news3.paonline.com> <347DF8A5.13D1@iet.hist.no> <880695705.22095@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6-167.roanoke.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) To: stephen.donovan@businesson.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10393 > >Can any of you help me out with a local bee problem??? > I am not a bee keeper, but have bee problems at home. > Please help me decide what to do now. > > I am located in attleboro ma. I have a 40 ft tree in front of house. > After leaves turned colors and dropped from tree in the fall, we noticed > a bee hive about 20 ft up in the tree. Dimensions: conical, about 1 ft > dia on top, point end down, about 1 ft height. During the summer, there > seemed to be a greater amount of bees in front of house vs rear of house > (victorian, 3 story, about 40 ft by 40 ft). > > Questions: > 1. How can I tell if bees still live in it? > 2. How can I tell if bees are alive? > 3. If nest is not used, will bees return there in next warmer season, or > build new? > 4. I would like to take it down in one piece and possibly use it for > show and tell for children at school, but not knowing any of the above, > safety first.... > 5. My other option is to destroy it if it MAY be in use. > 6. Weather now about 20-40 deg temp, light snow starting for the > season. > 7. No bee activity noted at this time around house or hive. > > Comments???? > thanks for help..steved tvoivozhd>>>it isn't a bee hive it is a paper-wasp nest. After the first hard freeze you can take it down and show it to the kids in school. 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Presented in three parts, AGROProjects is designed to help you examine R&D trends and to monitor agrochemicals from their origins through to launch. Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications E-mail: jonc@pjbnet.demon.co.uk Article 10395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!152.158.16.55!newsfeed2.uk.ibm.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newsfeed.adam.ixe.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!nestorix2.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail From: maaijen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for bees !!!!! Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:48:17 +0100 Organization: Aannemersbedrijf Abe Maaijen Lines: 9 Message-ID: <65n3ls$8i4$1@news2.xs4all.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: ztm08-05.dial.xs4all.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-XS4ALL-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:48:28 CET X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10395 hi i am trying to find some way to get some bees for a friend of mine that has ms. she started the bee sting treatment this summer and it seems to be helping but now that winter is here. she has been unable to get any bees in this area. do you know anywhere that someone could get bees for this? any help would be appreciated. sko "Sharon K. Ours" NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3474DC79.3AB1@starpoint.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10396 >Boy I am sure glad I don't use apistan and have no mites, I wouldn't >want to be a criminal. >Think mineral oil > > ANYTHING added to a colony which in the eyes of the beholder kills an unwanted pest must be packaged and labeled as such with an EPA registration number. ANYTHING placed into a colony without such EPA registration is in greater violation of the LAW than misuse of label. Thinking Mineral oil is not criminal, DOING it is. Article 10397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey bee & multiple lancets Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:01:14 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <347EEACA.6365@worldnet.att.net> References: <65cu1q$g1c$2@brie.direct.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 25859@205.216.79.177 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: msimics@direct.ca Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10397 Michael Simics wrote: > > I am a bee venom collector in Canada. For the first time this summer, I > observed multiple lancets on a bee stinger. I observed this on seven or > eight occasions, but was only able to preserve three of them. Two of them > have two lancets connected to one venom sac and one with three lancets > connected to one venom sac. > > Has anyone observed this, heard of it, have any explanation or references > about this unusual phenomenon. > > Michael Simics > http://www.direct.ca/beevenom/ seems some work was done in brazil on selecting for stinger mutants in order to "tame" the africanized bee...there may be some connection to what you observed, might try the brazilian bee-list posted a while back on the bee-l itself. Article 10398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HONEYBEE'S HIVE OF HEAVEN Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 01:58:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711281901512833@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <0du3pqy2l0.fsf@acmey.gat Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10398 Something different for the beekeepers. A must see and check out the other bee connections from this site for some interesting insight into bees and beekeeping from a generation that I am not part of but beats the heck out of those vega's pages. ttul, the OLd Drone http://www.intercall.net/~honeybee/pollen.htm "BEE'S RULE." - Beavis "If you came here to find scientific facts about bees, you came to the wrong place." "However, if you came here for a silly bee-related cartoon, for bee jokes, or to catch a rare glimpse of the elusive TrentBee...you're in luck!" "See the world through the eyes of a bee!" "Explore intricate and thought-provoking bee-related multi-media websites!" "Look into the mind of disturbed and homicidal Bee Killers!" A politically incorrect web sit and more! --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Santa on the Web Article 10399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeper Passes Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 01:48:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711281901512832@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <846986645.1289@dejanews.com> Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10399 http://examiner.net/stories/112197/obi_bsobits.html The Examiner Obituaries Friday, November 21, 1997: Blue Springs obituary WALTER G. WELDON Walter G. Weldon, 90, Independence, died Wednesday, Nov. 19, 1997, at the Rosewood Health Center. Mr. Weldon was born Feb. 10, 1907, in Lafayette, Calif., an d lived in Iowa and South Dakota before moving to Independence 21 years ago. He was a beekeeper for 49 years, retiring in 1974. He had been vice president of the Board of Directors of the Sue Bee Honey Association in Sioux City, Iowa. He had been president and vice president of his Neighborhood Council, and had been a teacher, priest, elder, high priest and an evangelist patriarch in the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. He was a member of the Waldo Restoration Branch. His survivors include his wife of 65 years, Jeanette E. Weldon of Independence; a son, Lloyd A. Weldon, Eudora, Kan.; a daughter, Marjorie J. Hahn, Kansas City; a brother, Chester Weldon, New Port Richey, Fla.; five grandchildren, Debra White, Kathryn Hahn, Kevin Weldon, Kimberly Weldon and Randel Weldon;and five great-grandchildren. Services will be 10:30 a.m. Saturday at the Speaks Suburban Chapel. Entombment will be in Mound Grove Cemetery. Friends may call from 9:30 to 10:30 a.m. Satur day at the chapel. The family suggests contributions to the Center Place Restoration School. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... He has heard the quail and beheld the honey-bee, Article 10400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive wood specs Date: 29 Nov 1997 06:03:56 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <65ob8c$onv@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> References: <34791840.4328@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.20.185 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10400 Dr. The supers I have bought have all been 19 7/8 X 16 1/4 measured on the outside and made of 3/4" pine. I have made some from 3/4" pine from Home Depot. If you find 7/8" lumber, you will pay extra for this odd size. Pete Dr. Lalo wrote in article <34791840.4328@earthlink.net>... > I've purchaed a Hive body from Beterbee Co. It measures 7/8"..yet when > I looked at suppliers (Home Depot, Pergament, etc....it is all 3/4". > > Where can I find 7/8" thick wood? > > Sincerely, > > Lalo > > Article 10401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for bees !!!!! Date: 29 Nov 1997 06:32:26 GMT Lines: 19 Message-ID: <19971129063201.BAA13356@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <65n3ls$8i4$1@news2.xs4all.nl> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10401 >hi >i am trying to find some way to get some bees for a friend of mine that >has ms. she started the bee sting treatment this summer and it seems to >be helping but now that winter is here. she has been unable to get any >bees in this area. do you know anywhere that someone could get bees for >this? any help would be appreciated. >sko > > "Sharon K. Ours" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey bee & multiple lancets Date: 29 Nov 1997 17:52:32 GMT Organization: Preferred Company Lines: 66 Message-ID: <65pkp0$mli@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net> References: <65cu1q$g1c$2@brie.direct.ca> <347EEACA.6365@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.97.191 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10402 tomas mozer wrote in article <347EEACA.6365@worldnet.att.net>... > Michael Simics wrote: > > > > I am a bee venom collector in Canada. For the first time this summer, I > > observed multiple lancets on a bee stinger. I observed this on seven or > > eight occasions, but was only able to preserve three of them. Two of them > > have two lancets connected to one venom sac and one with three lancets > > connected to one venom sac. > > > > Has anyone observed this, heard of it, have any explanation or references > > about this unusual phenomenon. > > > > Michael Simics > > http://www.direct.ca/beevenom/ > > > seems some work was done in brazil on selecting for stinger mutants in > order to "tame" the africanized bee...there may be some connection to > what you observed, might try the brazilian bee-list posted a while back > on the bee-l itself. > Hello Folks Ken Lawrence here taking a punch at the above article. Taken from one of my books, "THE SPELL OF THE HONEY BEE" by Kelsey 1945. The sting and accessories form a complex structure. The shaft consists of three parts: a dorsal sheath along which the two barbed lancets move is seen first. This sheath is enlarged into a bulb at the body or anterior end (the word anterior is used because the various parts of the body are counted from the head) and continues into two arms which curve outwards. the lancets slide in a grooved channel which passes along the sheath, past the bulb and along the arms. It will be seen that the lancets pass along a hollow tube formed by the sheath. The arms of the sheath are attached to two plates which overlap the sides of the sting and attached to these are the palpi or feelers which are white in colour. These palpi are covered with very sensitive hairs and are used to discover whether the object to be stung is capable of being penetrated by the sheath and the lancets. Although the bee is so quick with her sting the palpi always investigate the surface first. The lancets are connected at their ends with triangular plates which are again articulated with the quadrate plates. A pair of compound levers is thus formed with which it is possible by suitable muscular effort to drive the sheath into flesh of the victim and, furthermore, to extend the lancets even farther into the wound made by the sheath. The poison passes down the canal formed by the sheath and the lancets, and even when the sting is torn from the body of the bee, poison continues to be pumped into the wound, owing to the reflex action of the mechanism which accompanies it. Poison is forced into the wound until the poison sac is emptied and at the same time the sting continues to penetrate, as a result of the continued muscular action, even deeper into the wound. The poison was once thought to be simply formic acid, but it is now known that this is not the case. there are two sources of poison. The main poison sac contains matter which gives an acid reaction, but there is also a second gland which is said to have an alkaline reaction. It would seem that the contents of the two are mixed to form the venom which passes down the canal. This book has pictures of the lancets spread out and also pulled together. Maybe this will shed some light on the above posting. Ken Lawrence Article 10403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Ken Lawrence" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Multiple lancets Date: 29 Nov 1997 18:19:18 GMT Organization: Preferred Company Lines: 1603 Message-ID: <65pmb6$7d3@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.97.191 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10403 hello again Here is a JPEG picture of the lancets form the book "THE SPELL OF THE HONEY BEE" . 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From KCLARK@galaxy.gov.bc.ca Mon Dec 1 11:27:47 1997 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:42:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Multiple lancets? Hello Michael (You mentioned having seen bees with 2 or 3 lancets). I recall a brief article in one of the journals perhaps 10 years ago (sorry to be so vague) (perhaps Bee World, and was there some connection with Japan?). The article described a mutation that resulted in lancets separated from the stylet in worker A. mellifera and rendered the stingers non-functional. The separated lancets impaired rather than enhanced the insertion of the stylet, and prevented delivery of the venom. The normal condition of a stinger is a rigid base (bulb) which is elongated into a stiff shaft or stylet (U shaped in cross section) with the venom sac at the base, plus 2 barbed lancets with a sliding connection to the stylet (at the tips of the U) to form a tube. Imagine 3 parallel fingers So, it's normal for a bee to have 2 lancets, but abnormal for the lancets to be "not connected" to the stylet. The article pointed out (or should have) that although the non-stinging trait might be selected to create a non-stinging bee, such a bee would be at a great disadvantage in trying to protect its nest. Kerry Clark, Apiculture Specialist B.C. Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food 1201 103 Ave Dawson Creek B.C. V1G 4J2 CANADA Tel (250) 784-2231 fax (250) 784-2299 INTERNET kclark@galaxy.gov.bc.ca -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees Article 10405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Thomas Jones" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Venom Therapy and Lower Back Problems Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 05:39:32 -0600 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: <65rj7r$a69$1@usenet76.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10441@205.228.193.8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10405 My girlfriend (40 years old) has three herniated disks in her lower back which cause no small amount of pain and discomfort in her legs - sciatic nerve stress - and obviously her lower back. Much of the reading I've done on this subject thusfar would suggest that relaxing the muscles in that area helps to reduce the radiating (debilitating) pain. Can someone here tell me whether or not bee stings in that region might help to reduce the considerable discomfort she's in almost daily of late. I'm looking toward your collective experience for serious advice and I've no interest at all in bantering over medical qualifications whatsoever. I also understand that bee stings won't remedy the herniated disks, but some relief from the discomfort while she's recuperating would be a God send. (I'm running out of recipes.) Oddly enough, I've been interested in starting a hive all year and I've been reading books left and right on the subject with tentative plans to begin one this coming Spring in Oklahoma. Should I discover here that bee venom therapy might help, I'll step up my plans and seek out someone locally who might be willing to share his/ or her experience with me in getting started. If nothing else, I'll seek out a local beekeeper for bees, if it mught prove helpful. I look forward to hearing from you all, and I do hope I haven't lauched this group into a age old discussion that might detract from the normally civil atmosphere here. I've been reading your messages for some time now and I'm impressed with the comparative respect and professionalism that this group shares with one another. Thank you in advance. Tom Jones Oklahoma City, Oklahoma tjones@telepath.com Article 10406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.60.253.107!skin02.micron.net.!news01.micron.net!not-for-mail From: bahaus@micron.net (bill ahaus) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Argentine Beekeepers? Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 00:00:00 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3481fca9.641469@news.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnam012p13.nam.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10406 I'm a sideline beekeeper in Idaho in the USA, and I'm very interested in contacting beekeepers in Argentina. I am interested in learning about beekeeping in Argentina in general, and the condition of this year's honey crop in particular. Puedo hablar espanol y me interesa mucho todos detalles de apicultura y de la cultura argentina. Gracias. Article 10407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom Therapy and Lower Back Problems Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 06:15:18 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 20 Message-ID: <65tkkl$pm9$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <65rj7r$a69$1@usenet76.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp45.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10407 In article I've been interested in starting a hive all year and I've >been reading books left and right on the subject with tentative plans to >begin one this coming Spring in Oklahoma. > Should I discover here that bee venom therapy might help, I'll step up my >plans and seek out someone locally who might be willing to share his/ or her >experience with me in getting started. For keeping bees peacefully, and since you are not looking for an abundance of the "products of the hive" except for the bees themselves, you should check out Jim Satterfield's info on building top bar hives. As far as whether it would help your wife's condition to let a bee sting her, why don't you try it. Take a mason jar with holes in it to your local honey farm and the beekeeper will go out and get you a worker bee or two and then invert the jar over the area of the damaged disks. This could be like that type of therapy where irritants are injected near the area of a diseased body part on the theory that when the blood and other bodily fluids rush to the area of the irritant that these internal concentrations of blood, etc. will work to benefit the diseased area at the same time. Have her sign a paper first which says: "I am not subject to anaphylactic shock, and if I die from this experiment then on behalf of my heirs I hereby release Tom Jones from liability." Article 10408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3482680D.7D64@together.net> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 07:32:29 +0000 From: hector@together.net Reply-To: hector@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Thomas Jones Subject: Re: Bee Venom Therapy and Lower Back Problems References: <65rj7r$a69$1@usenet76.supernews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-57-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Organization: Together Networks - Burlington, VT. Lines: 28 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.97.120.24!news.together.net!dial-57-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10408 Thomas Jones wrote: > > My girlfriend (40 years old) has three herniated disks in her lower back (snip) > Can someone here tell me whether or not bee stings in that region might > help to reduce the considerable discomfort she's in almost daily of late. > > Tom Jones > Oklahoma City, Oklahoma > tjones@telepath.com Good morning, In 1984 I suffered a back injury (L4/L5 region) in a logging accident. I suffered tremendous pain until 1988 when a chiropractor helped me to relax and thereby relieve the pain. A year ago I started to sting myself and two others for arthritis pain relief with extraordinary success. Swelling was reduced and pain is now usually non-existent for 2-3 months at a time. A month ago, I slipped and twisted my lower back, bringing back the reminiscent, chronic pain of back injury. I asked my partner to sting me on the two areas where I felt the most pain. An hour later the previously pained area was very warm and felt totally relaxed, without spasms and pain. The next morning the pain was gone and my life got back to normal. To top this story off, it was only 18 months ago that I abandoned my lifelong fear of stinging insects. Venomously yours, JZ Article 10409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan... Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 19:17:05 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <34830b65.61047993@news.earthlink.net> References: <3474DC79.3AB1@starpoint.net> <19971129012000.UAA13533@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.183.157 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10409 miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) wrote: >ANYTHING added to a colony which in the eyes of the beholder kills an unwanted >pest must be packaged and labeled as such with an EPA registration number. >ANYTHING placed into a colony without such EPA registration is in greater >violation of the LAW than misuse of label. >Thinking Mineral oil is not criminal, DOING it is. Exactly what law or EPA requirement are you referring to? It is my understanding that unrestricted, or uncontrolled substances are completely legal to use for mite controls. Please, what regulation supports such an absurd statement? Regards, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.51.3.225!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Argentine Beekeepers? Date: 2 Dec 1997 10:06:45 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bcff0a$1fbbf9e0$069ffcc1@toshiba> References: <3481fca9.641469@news.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bdx4-6.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10410 You can find information about Argentina at the address below : www.apiservices.com The world's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery Webmaster@apiservices.com Article 10411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (Ferris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for bees !!!!! Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:47:17 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3483f503.1112725@news1.radix.net> References: <65n3ls$8i4$1@news2.xs4all.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: port21.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10411 On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:48:17 +0100, maaijen wrote: >hi >i am trying to find some way to get some bees for a friend of mine that >has ms. she started the bee sting treatment this summer and it seems to >be helping but now that winter is here. she has been unable to get any >bees in this area. do you know anywhere that someone could get bees for >this? any help would be appreciated. >sko > > "Sharon K. Ours" From: "Richard A. Selage Jr." Reply-To: rselage@cyberdrive.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Elroy Rogers Subject: Re: mineral oil ffor mites References: <3474F157.5771@starpoint.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 06:38:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.25.206.6 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 01:38:00 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10412 Elroy Rogers wrote: > Last summer there was a lot of talk of the use of mineral oil for the > control of the varroa mite. Has anyone else had success or failure using > mineral oil? > > I've been using mineral oil mixed with sugar water in a spray bottle, > then spraying the front of the hive, inside top cover and on top of > bars. > I have excellent returns from the state bee inspector, who said it > would'nt work before the test was done. He did an ether roll out of > samples taken from 10 of the 40 colonies I now have, the result was 1 > mite from about 300 bees. The same test was done on a commercial > operators colonies the same day and location, which resulted in 10 mites > from 300 bees. The results could have been zero mite on my test if I had > been diligent in treating every week in the fall. I had not treated my > colonies for mite since the middle of august. These bees are now in > california, I am very anxious to see what returns to us in the spring. > > I have made a believer of one other beekeeper on the use of mineral oil > for the control of mites. The commercial beekeeper I bought my nucs from > is going to try mineral oil in the spring. This is such an easy way to > treat your colonies even for the large beekeepers. I am positive that > everyone who tries this method will be sold on it. If everyone uses this > method I think the mites can be wiped out completely. > > I hope this will help someone in the fight to control the varroa mite > > Elroy I am a new beekeeper and wondering on your mix. How much mineral water and how much sugar water are mixed together for you hive. Thank you Richard Article 10413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: diverprog@aol.com (Diver Prog) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping degree Date: 2 Dec 1997 23:57:22 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19971202235701.SAA11604@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <64vs04$if1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10413 Zac: I know that there are two programs on the east coast also. One was run by a college and the other was an independent. I had received some info from both of them and will post that info in the very near future. Eric Emrich DiverProg@aol.com Article 10414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Gifts Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 01:46:00 GMT Message-ID: <9712012359392838@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10414 ONE IN A KIND BEEKEEPERS GIFTS (Guaranteed in time for Christmas) A beekeeping friend of mine invested much money and time in a Honey packing venture with a international conglomerate that did not work out...the story is too long and too sad to present here. But he did have some supplies left over other then a empty bank account, honey jars and labels. Because of the unique nature of them and the fact all beekeepers I know are always looking for something different to have and give as bee gifts so I have made arrangements to offer them to anyone who is interested, and repay some of his costs and make a few bucks for my efforts. For $20.US +$3.00 postage I will send you a sample and you decide if you want more. The package will contain one (1) POOH CAROUSEL BOOK, a favorite story about Winnie-the Pooh in a fun new format. You open the book and tie back the covers then turn it around to follow Pooh's adventures in five colorful three-dimensional scenes. Then turn the scenes over there you will find the text of the story from WINNIE-THE-POOH by A.A. Milne. This is a first quality pop out book and not available in book stores. Wonderful gift or Christmas stocking stuffer for child or adult. I will also include two (2) hand crafted and panted FAN PULLS, also one of a kind gifts, one is a Skept with bees painted on it, and one is a Honey Pot also hand painted. The wood fan pulls have about a foot of gold chain attached and those of you who know about such things and don't have overhead fans will find other uses for them I am sure. You can use your CC, MC or Visa and contact me via e-mail at: andy.nachbaur@calwet.net or send a check for $23.(US) each to: ** ($20.00 between now and CHRISTMAS to all my net friends) ** Andy Nachbaur 1522 Paradise Lane Los Banos, CA 93635 Or call me at (209) 826-2261, Catch as catch can! NO RECORDER.. For more then one to any one address the postage will be $3.00. Postage may be higher to off shore address and if you have any questions about shipment to your address please send direct e-mail to me. ttul, the OLD Drone --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Santa on the Web Article 10415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan... Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 01:16:36 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3484b003.42249504@news.earthlink.net> References: <3474DC79.3AB1@starpoint.net> <19971129012000.UAA13533@ladder01.news.aol.com> <66211h$pq1$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.183.240 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10415 djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) wrote: >I thought we went through this last year with respect to mint oil. I >called EPA and FDA, and they had no problems with mint oil. Thanks for reminding us. Some folks may mistakenly think that the laws for restricted use chemicals apply to other, unrestricted, products. Crisco vegetable fat sure isn't labeled for use in bee hives either, yet I have heard USDA bee researchers recomend it for use in bee hives. Interestingly, the Terramycin label does not describe the common Crisco-sugar-Terramycin patty as a treatment option. It only lists the dusting and syrup methods of application. The patty has also been recommmended by USDA for foulbrood control. Cheers, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Daniel A. Batzel" Subject: Looking for Propolis samples Organization: Liberty Chemical Works, Inc. Message-ID: <01bcff6f$c2b7a800$f6632399@batzel> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 14:12:00 -0800 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!aruba.odu.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!news.arc.nasa.gov!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews03 Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10416 Hello folks, I'm a chemist thats just gotten into a propolis project and am looking for 1/2 to 1 lb quantities of raw propolis from various regions of the world. Email me at LCWORKS@msn.com and let me know if youve got some and how much it costs. Article 10417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!aruba.odu.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter0!news.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Carl Russell Goetz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive wood specs Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:11:53 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 119 Message-ID: <6624nc$49r@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> References: <34791840.4328@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.7.154 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01BCFF4D.C4EA8600" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10417 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01BCFF4D.C4EA8600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dr. Lalo wrote in message <34791840.4328@earthlink.net>... >I've purchaed a Hive body from Beterbee Co. It measures 7/8"..yet when >I looked at suppliers (Home Depot, Pergament, etc....it is all 3/4". > >Where can I find 7/8" thick wood? > >Sincerely, > >Lalo > typically, deciduous trees (in the USA) are sold, as hardwood lumber, = utilizing the quarter inch scale(3/4,4/4,5/4, 8/4, etc...) 4/4=3D one = inch; 8/4=3D two inches and so forth. Further, these woods, are graded, = according to the number of defects, as judged by the sawyer, prior to = being cut from a debarked log. Minimal surface defects, with no = structural faults, and having a sawn board dimension( rough) of, at = least 6 inches wide x 8 feet length, are grade as Firsts And Seconds = (FAS.) FAS hardwood lumber is considered to be "premium" grade. If you = can find a piece of FAS 4/4 poplar, with minimal cup and twist, then you = may be able to thickness to 3/4 inch. I have, through many years = experience, used 5/4 FAS red and white oak, to finish as cabinet grade = 7/8 inch, with an overall average thickness of 13/16 inch after final = surfacing prior to finishing. FAS lumber commands the premium price. = Try for a lower grade of lumber. US#1, or US#2 (common) have varying = degrees of surface defects and minimal structural defects but shall be = perfectly usable. I have used US#2 common for my workshop bench and = drawers. Sometimes, lumberyards sell FAS "shorts" which are pieces <=3D = four linear feet( in length) leftover from someone who only wanted like = say 6 ft off a 10 ft FAS board? These shorts can sell for a substantial = reduction. Hope all this helps? Excuse the extended bandwidth...getting bored...I = think I'll eat some honey? CRG ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01BCFF4D.C4EA8600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Dr. Lalo wrote in message <34791840.4328@earthlink.net>...
>I've purchaed a Hive body from Beterbee Co.  It measures=20 7/8"..yet when
>I looked at suppliers  (Home Depot, = Pergament,=20 etc....it is all 3/4".
>
>Where can I find 7/8" = thick=20 wood?
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Lalo
> 
typically, deciduous = trees (in the=20 USA) are sold, as hardwood  lumber, utilizing the quarter inch=20 scale(3/4,4/4,5/4, 8/4, etc...)   4/4=3D one inch; 8/4=3D two = inches and=20 so forth.  Further, these woods, are graded, according to the = number of=20 defects, as judged by the sawyer, prior to being cut from a debarked = log. =20 Minimal surface defects, with no structural faults, and having a sawn = board=20 dimension( rough) of, at least 6 inches wide x 8 feet length, are grade = as Firsts=20 And=20 Seconds=20 (FAS.)  FAS hardwood lumber is considered to be "premium" = grade.  If you can find a piece of FAS 4/4 poplar, with minimal cup = and=20 twist, then you may be able to thickness to 3/4 inch.  I have, = through many=20 years experience, used 5/4 FAS red and white oak, to finish as cabinet = grade 7/8=20 inch, with an overall average thickness of 13/16 inch after final = surfacing=20 prior to finishing.  FAS lumber commands the premium price.  = Try for a=20 lower grade of lumber.  US#1, or US#2 (common) have varying degrees = of=20 surface defects and minimal structural defects but shall be perfectly=20 usable.  I have used US#2 common for  my workshop bench and=20 drawers.  Sometimes, lumberyards sell FAS "shorts" which = are=20 pieces <=3D four linear feet( in length) leftover from someone who = only wanted=20 like say 6 ft off a 10 ft FAS board?  These shorts can sell for a=20 substantial reduction.
Hope=20 all this helps?  Excuse the extended bandwidth...getting bored...I = think=20 I'll eat some honey?
CRG
------=_NextPart_000_0096_01BCFF4D.C4EA8600-- Article 10418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: josephj@surf-NOiciSPAM.com (Mushroom) Subject: Re: Source for Orchard Mason Bees References: <348580A5.76AA@fc.hp.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 97 03:49:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ip2-dialup08.surf-ici.com Message-ID: <348628e0.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 26 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10418 In article <348580A5.76AA@fc.hp.com>, Mark Anspach wrote: >Can anyone refer me to a source of Orchard Mason Bees? >The only place I know of is Knox Cellars and their >prices are kind of high to me. Specifically, I >am looking for the species Osmia Lignaria or >Osmia Cornifrons. > >Mark >anspach@fc.hp.com Mark although they do not list which flavour of Mason bee they sell, Territorial Seed Company at 541-942-9547 ( http://www.territorial-seed.com They have bees and supplies, Spring Shipped bees are $12.95 for 15 and 30 for $23.95. I do not know if shipping is included. By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation. All incoming unsolicited commercial traffic will therefore be billed at a rate of $500 per msg to compensate for loss of service. Article 10419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.200.9!news.fidnet.com!not-for-mail From: John Brackman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan... Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 22:01:07 -0800 Organization: Fidelity Communications, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <34864723.64E4@fidnet.com> References: <3474DC79.3AB1@starpoint.net> <19971129012000.UAA13533@ladder01.news.aol.com> <66211h$pq1$1@netnews.upenn.edu> Reply-To: judge20@fidnet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sullivan-mo-119.fidnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10419 David J Trickett wrote: > > I thought we went through this last year with respect to mint oil. I > called EPA and FDA, and they had no problems with mint oil. I don't > see how there could be a problem with mineral oil considering that it > is among other things a food-grade machinery lubricant (e.g., for > extractor bearings). > > Someone out there can probably better elaborate, but my recollection is > that mint oils are on an actual Federal Register list exempting them > or legitmizing them as "inactive" ingredients for pesticides. > > I'm not sure if mineral oil is too, but I have a very difficult time > seeing how using it in this application could be a problem... > Especially in comparison to the alternative... > > My two cents... > > Dave Trickett > > : ANYTHING added to a colony which in the eyes of the beholder kills an unwanted > : pest must be packaged and labeled as such with an EPA registration number. > : ANYTHING placed into a colony without such EPA registration is in greater > : violation of the LAW than misuse of label. > : Thinking Mineral oil is not criminal, DOING it is. > > -- Sure would like a cite--PL or FCR John Article 10435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.168.54.101!newsfeed.cableol.net!not-for-mail From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Date: 8 Dec 1997 22:02:28 GMT Organization: Luichart Woollens Lines: 45 Message-ID: <01bd0413$dd04a200$LocalHost@default> References: <01bd00f3$f5416b00$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.73.46 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10435 Harry> > As far as I can see the > >"Thinking" beekeepers in Europe are using the drone brood trap method for > >the control of Varroa and if I get varroa mites then this will be my > >method. > > > Paul> Perhaps you would like to explain *YOUR* "thinking" behind this > statement, Harry. Harry: My thinking about this is:- Apistan and in your case Bayvarol are toxic substances which have to be left in the hive for periods of 6 weeks. They are toxic substances which are open to misuse. They are toxic substances which have to be used every year (perhaps twice a year or more!) I believe that there is evidence that residual traces of these chemicals have been found in wax and I don't think it is a great leap of the imagination to suppose that they will also be found in honey. It only has to appear in the "Sun", or some equally intellectual newspaper, that beekeepers are putting poisonous substances into their hives for honey sales to plummet similar to egg sales a few years ago and beef sales at present. Let us hope and pray that no-one actually becomes ill!! Many people who eat honey do so in the belief that it does them good (Was it Winnie the Poo who had hot hubby and lebon for his cold!) I don't think it is a good idea to sell contaminated products to frail people. Would you spread you toast with Bayvarol?? I don't think so! Drone trapping on the other hand uses no chemicals, it is very cheap (Apistan and Bayvarol are very expensive), it is easy to operate and, according to my sources, fairly effective. If the chemical controls were 100 per cent effective then it would be ok but because they have to be used continuously then I think that they are too dangerous. I don't have any statistics for beekeeping in Europe but of the four beekeepers I know, two in Germany use drone trapping, one in Holland uses drone trapping and one in Sweden who uses Fromic acid. None of these use Apistan although I believe it is licensed for use in Europe -- Harry Scotland Knitwear Web site: http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/ Beekeeping Page: http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/page8.html Article 10436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: no treatment at all Date: 9 Dec 1997 04:24:36 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 18 Message-ID: <66ih64$qg1$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <66fhe5$n1n$1@comet2.magicnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10436 In article <66fhe5$n1n$1@comet2.magicnet.net>, Ed Craft wrote: > I may have jumped the gun. Maybe there is a place where you can > keep bees and not have to treat for any diseases. What I should have > said was if I don't treat my bees they will die. They die out with > treatment. I wish I was in that "place". My apologies. If you are in the USA, I bet you have varroa. Sorry, but those little guys are very good parasites. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 10437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com!not-for-mail From: danny.bowers@sympatico.ca (Danny Bowers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! Getting rid of Bees without killing them Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 15:54:00 GMT Organization: Honeydale Lines: 71 Message-ID: <66jm4h$804$1@news21.bellglobal.com> References: <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net> <338CD75F.3BF0@prostar.com> Reply-To: danny.bowers@sympatico.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.192.146 X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 881679313 8196 (None) 206.172.192.146 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news20.bellglobal.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10437 Hi, I used this technique with a few slight modifications. I drilled a hole in the side of a super. One the inside, I nailed a bee escape (a metal device with a hole and little metal springs that a bee can push through to get out, but they can not return) A cone works OK, but bee escapes are cheap. I secured a little screen formed like a funnel (8 to 12 inches long, 4 inches wide at one end and a half inch at the other) to the super over the hole on the outside of the super, with the wide part away from the super. ______________________ < Cover | | \ | | \ | | < Super \| | wrote: > So, did you want to do this yourself then? If so, check out,"The ABC and > XYZ of Bee Culture" from the library. It has a section that details just > what needs to be done. Basically, you nail up a hive, complete with top, > bottom and deep super with a couple of frames of brood and nurse bees, > right next to the hole where the bees are coming and going. Then you > fashion a cone out of fine hardware cloth, and staple it over the > opening. The bees are smart enough to exit the cone, but when they come > back, find that it's easier to just go into the hive that's there. Takes > about a month to get them all, and even then you'll be left with the > queen and her faithful few followers, but at this point you could kill > her off and plug the hole. Place a fresh queen into the hive, or add the > bees to existing colonies using the newspaper method. Article 10438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <348EC945.258C1AB8@foxinternet.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:54:30 -0800 From: Dan Kiehnle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding in winter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.212.202 Lines: 5 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news.prostar.com!208.8.212.202 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10438 I haven't had to do this for years, and I'm not sure what to do. El Nino has made it possible for the bees to be much more active this winter, thus depleting their stores more rapidly. What to do? Feed a 2part sugar, 1 part water solution? Article 10439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.voicenet.com!dsinc!pitt.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!honeysuckle.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!test181.tc.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding in winter Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:14:20 -0500 Organization: slainte mhath Lines: 12 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <348EC945.258C1AB8@foxinternet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: test181.tc.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10439 Where are you, Dan? In some climates you can feed sugar syrup in winter. In places where it is cold and snowy, and the bees are confined for long periods, dry sugar or candy can be fed to advantage. In article <348EC945.258C1AB8@foxinternet.net>, Dan Kiehnle wrote: > I haven't had to do this for years, and I'm not sure what to do. El Nino > has made it possible for the bees to be much more active this winter, > thus depleting their stores more rapidly. What to do? Feed a 2part > sugar, 1 part water solution? Article 10440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mlee4321@aol.com (MLee4321) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for bees !!!!! Date: 11 Dec 1997 03:38:22 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <19971211033800.WAA22166@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <65n3ls$8i4$1@news2.xs4all.nl> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10440 In many areas a beekeeper can be found through a local bee club, beekeeping supply company, or the yellow pages that will be happy to supply bees to patients year around for free. We are interested in results. In this area there is no shortage of willing beekeepers if you are willing to pick them up at his place. Our problem is to who can we refer persons looking for treatment. We as beekeepers are not liable for what you do with the bees we give you for free, but are not versed in treatment. Few beekeepers get cronic painful conditions that bee sting therapy would help. micky Article 10441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for bees !!!!! Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 05:25:22 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 5 Message-ID: <66nteo$eeu$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <65n3ls$8i4$1@news2.xs4all.nl> <19971211033800.WAA22166@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp09.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10441 In article <19971211033800.WAA22166@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mlee4321@aol.com (MLee4321) wrote: Micky: In case you didn't know it, which you probably do, but in case you don't, your name Mlee is like the French word Miel for honey. Article 10442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <348F8126.5853@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:59:02 -0700 From: Phil Reply-To: goldpnr@ibm.net Organization: Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Master Bekeepers my area? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.243.121 Lines: 6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!129.37.243.121 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10442 Any master beekeepers in Albuquerque area here? -- Phil ComputerPerson, but don't tell my mother, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse. Article 10443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.56!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: no treatment at all Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 12:06:17 -0800 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 33 Message-ID: <348B01B9.2351@starpoint.net> References: <66csbb$ce0$1@comet2.magicnet.net> <66dafl$ij7$1@nntp.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10443 Peter Amschel wrote: > > In article > > The only thing it will increase is the chance that you won't have > > any bees next year. > > Ed > > I'm not so sure, Ed. I have not treated my top bar hive this year, not even > with mineral oil, and it is a real strong hive. I read an article in ABJ by > Monsieur Steve Faber and he recommended against using any treatments one time, > if I recal correctly. If you decide not to treat your colonies for mites, your decision should be based on a fact that you know your bees don't have mites. An infested colony can look strong but it can collapse really fast, then bees will drift to your neighbors colonies infesting theirs with a lot of mites all at once causing their colony to collapse. Be a good beekeeper neighbor test for mites, it's easy to do an ether roll. Just catch some bees from the brood chamber area in a jar. to do the test spray a small amount of starting fluid in the jar shake vigorously then hold the jar up to the light turn slowly mites will appear on the sides of the jar. If you caught around a 100 bees and have 10 mites your colonies is in need for treatment, anything over 6% is bad. If you did the test and have no mites and did not treat your colonies then you may have the one colony everyone is looking for, which is able to defend themselve against mites with no treatment. Help your neighbor beekeeper and test and treat for mites. Elroy Article 10444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed.centuryinter.net!Katrano.spam From: Katrano.spam@centuryinter.net (Kat) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for reasonable honey in my area Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:37:12 -0600 Organization: random access Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: news7.centuryinter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.3.1 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: anxp21.sm.centuryinter.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10444 Hi Y'all, I am looking for unpasturied honey for a reasonable price (by the gallon) in the Austin Texas area only. Thanks! Kat ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For spam prevention, the "reply to" and e-mail address have been typed incorrectly. Remove the "No.spam" from the address. http://WWW.Brewich.COM/~maven/ Katrano.spam@centuryinter.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Article 10445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: no treatment at all Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:58:04 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 51 Message-ID: <34900D8C.D1F29BC6@ne.mediaone.net> References: <66csbb$ce0$1@comet2.magicnet.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10445 Mike, Two things: One is that in my limited observations, there seems to be a two-three year cycle for varroa mites. When we were first keeping bees and were told of these mites that were coming and/or may have arrived in our area, the advice was to treat anyway, what could it hurt. And since fluvalinate is a pyrethroid and so not as *scary* to us, we did the strips the first year. Then we began to formulate our own theories about mites, resistance, apistan vs. miticur, horror stories about miticur and decided to not medicate. That year we also began doing increases. Long story short--- hives which hadn't been *stripped* for two seasons, died third season (late fall). Increases that were started one year later and also not *stripped*, died one year later ('cuz, no, we hadn't learned our lesson). After talking to a number of folks who were doing mite research at that time, I was left with the impression that this "cycle" had been observed by many others. Summary: mites won't kill your bees right away, so you (like we did) may get to fool yourself into believing things that aren't necessarily true. Second thing: Don't know where you live. If in the U.S. it would surprise me if you are not near any highways or farms? Bees are not stationary.. they get moved in and out of crops by beekeepers all the time. I also don't know how you can be positive that there are no bees being kept on a semi-permanent basis for 20 miles. Even in areas where beekeepers are *supposed* to register, many don't.. some out of ignorance of the law and others because they disagree with it. I really hope that you are in a truly isolated area and/or that you have some amazing bees that are able to thwart both these two evil mites. Tho I'll be really surprised if you are. Kathy > Mystang <"kanel@pottsville.infi.net"@pottsville.infi.net> writes: > > Having kept bees two years. > > And not treating my hives. > > Will this increase the price of my honey? > > My 10 hives are 20 miles from the nearest beekeeper and I do not use > any > > medication of any kind. > > All new equipment also. > > Any purer honey would be from a beetree. > > > > Thanx in advance. > > Mike > Article 10446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Daniel A. Batzel" Subject: Paying for propolis samples Organization: Liberty Chemical Works, Inc. Message-ID: <01bd065f$7ec2d740$84662399@batzel> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:02:46 -0800 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews04 Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10446 Hi everybody. Given the poor response to my previous posting entitled "looking for propolis samples", I thought I'd post it another way! Seriously, Isnt there anybody out there that can help this chemist get ahold of raw propolis from various regions around the USA and World for my research? email me at LCWORKS@msn.com Thanks, Dan Article 10447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: josephj@surf-NOiciSPAM.com (Mushroom) Subject: Depressing Winter X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 20:00:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ip1-dialup40.surf-ici.com Message-ID: <349046fb.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 42 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10447 A warmish day appeared in Indiana. I couldn't resist. You see, the weather has been very mild here in my area and I knew the bees had been more active than usual. I lost three more hives ( out of 7 left ). I see emergency queen cells in all of them. Darn. The story starts this spring. I ordered 12 3lb packages from Kelley, who get's them from Hardeman. I hived them late april. By end of may 3 hives were dead and laying queens were in 2 others. 3 others were drone layers. The remaining 7 were solid. As I mentioned 3 of those are gone. 2 of them still had honey in them. The 3rd was a morass of wax worm...of which I took great pleasure in destroying each one as my hive took took out my frustration. :) I took NO honey this year on these 7 hives. All hives were treated with Apistan, Grease patties with Terrimycin (sp..sorry ), and fumidil-b fed twice ( spring and fall). As you may have guessed, my OTHER (5) hives suffered no loss. Same yard, same care. Year 2. AND I have changed supplier. ( Let's see what Norman's Bees are like). I am still inexperenced enough to miss the obvious, but as over a year ago when I asked for help here I was laughed at in emails when I expressed open ignorance, I have been remiss in sharing with those who tolerate asses better than I. :) By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation. All incoming unsolicited commercial traffic will therefore be billed at a rate of $500 per msg to compensate for loss of service. Article 10448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Ladislao Guerra Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Liability Insurance for bee stings Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:28:07 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <34908517.180E@earthlink.net> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.26.55.102 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) CC: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10448 The other day, we discussed in our local bee club about what may happen if somebody came to our bee yard and got stung by a bee and then they subsequently sued for medical expenses and bodily injury. What could we do about liability insurance? One member suggested that we are already covered by homeowner's insurance. Others weren't sure. So, I contacted my insurance company and related the problem to the agent. She had absolutely no idea about this. She said she would discuss it with her supervisor and get back to me. Two days later, the agent called back and said that "as long as I confine my bees to my yard and they don't bother the neighbors or go wandering off", my policy would cover me (this is no joke...I'm not making this stuff up...that is what they really said ;>!). I explained that I had (and nobody has) no control of where bees go..that bees are wild animals from which we have learned to steal honey, wax, and propolis. I said that, If I confine my bees they will not be able to gather nectar and pollen and that they would die! There was a long pause on the phone then "...oh!". The agent said she would have to consult the legal department and get back to me. Has anyone had a similar experience? Anyone know about liability insurance? If so, drop me an e-line. Thanks, Lalo Article 10449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Liability Insurance for bee stings Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:10:53 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 72 Message-ID: <349072FD.49F746DB@ne.mediaone.net> References: <34908517.180E@earthlink.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: drlalo@earthlink.net X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10449 Hi Ladislao, Ladislao Guerra wrote: > The other day, we discussed in our local bee club about what may > happen > if somebody came to our bee yard and got stung by a bee and then they > subsequently sued for medical expenses and bodily injury. What could > we > do about liability insurance? > My insurance agent told me that unless a homeowners policy *specifically excludes* bodily injury done to a visitor by a pet &/or livestock then a person would be covered by their homeowners insurance policy. He further said that it is possible that some of the national companies may cancel you after a stinging incident comes to claim, but that these companies may just as easily cancel you for any claim, like an accident on ice, or with a tree branch, etc. Someone who is at all concerned or is looking to "hold harmless" the owner of the property that their bees are on (if not their own) need only post a sign to the effect of "DANGER Honeybees, Stay away (or do not disturb, etc.). > One member suggested that we are already covered by homeowner's > insurance. Others weren't sure. So, I contacted my insurance company > > and related the problem to the agent. She had absolutely no idea > about > this. She said she would discuss it with her supervisor and get back > to > me. > > Your agent doesn't sound like she has very good resources. Understanding that she is accustomed to handling predominately canned suburban homeowners policies out there on Long Island, though, she could be forgiven. Around here we have a company called Farm Family Insurance that caters predominately to farmers and small farm-related businesses. When we first got started keeping bees, we insured through them and were completely have been covered for any and all bee-related incidents, on or off our property ever since. This policy also gave us product liability insurance (up to ~40 K gross sales) to the policy limit (which for us at the time was 1 million). As the business has grown, we needed specific policies for it and I am no longer aware of the product liability stuff that may or may not still be on our homeowners, but the bee stuff still is. Also, at several of the national beekeeping meetings there have been companies offering liability insurance policies (supposedly) specifically tailored for beekeepers. I don't remembe any of the company names 'cuz we didn't need any insurance. Anybody else with one of those guys? > Has anyone had a similar experience? Anyone know about liability > insurance? > insurance? > > If so, drop me an e-line. > OK > Thanks, > > Lalo Kathy (who's not an insurance agent but who asks tons of questions and thinks that she remembers most of the answers) Article 10450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Web Page Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:50:13 -0500 Lines: 19 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.126.22 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.126.22 Message-ID: <34907d8f.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.he.net!news.pagesat.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news1.mid-ga.com!204.216.126.22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10450 Hi All, I've just published my first attempt at creating a Web Page on Beekeeping. Please take a look at it and tell me what y'all think. I've included some pictures of our exhibit at the Georgia National Fair. Any input, ideas and criticism will be welcome; I can take it... Thanks, Chip Here it is... http://www.hom.net/~beeman -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA [Beeman@hom.net] Article 10451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: Mystang <"kanel@pottsville.infi.net"@pottsville.infi.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: no treatment at all Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:01:01 -0800 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 22 Message-ID: <66pv6k$iq8$1@nw001.infi.net> References: <66fhe5$n1n$1@comet2.magicnet.net> <66ih64$qg1$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-55.pot.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10451 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > > In article <66fhe5$n1n$1@comet2.magicnet.net>, > Ed Craft wrote: > > > I may have jumped the gun. Maybe there is a place where you can > > keep bees and not have to treat for any diseases. What I should have > > said was if I don't treat my bees they will die. They die out with > > treatment. I wish I was in that "place". My apologies. > > If you are in the USA, I bet you have varroa. Sorry, but those little guys > are very good parasites. > > Adam > > -- > _________________ > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vt.edu > http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamfI have no neighboring hives. The bees are strong. And I'm in north eastern Pennsylvania. Article 10452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: no treatment at all Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:27:06 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 17 Message-ID: <66q0bg$miq$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <66csbb$ce0$1@comet2.magicnet.net> <66dafl$ij7$1@nntp.pe.net> <348B01B9.2351@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp44.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10452 >If you did the test and have no mites and did not treat your colonies >then you may have the one colony everyone is looking for, which is able >to defend themselve against mites with no treatment. > > Help your neighbor beekeeper and test and treat for mites. > >Elroy Elroy: Now I don't know whether to sh** or go blind! It is cold out here today and the hive is all nicely stuck closed with bee glue and I don't want to disturb them nor do I want to do a test which would kill multiple bees. Couldn't I just put waxed paper on the bottom of the top bar hive and then pull it out and examine later? Thanks for your message. Article 10453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunetukout!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Master Bekeepers my area? Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:35:06 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <348F8126.5853@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqhQl7U5JyTsf+y> Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10453 In article <348F8126.5853@ibm.net>, Phil writes >Phil >ComputerPerson, but don't tell my mother, she thinks I'm a piano player >in a whorehouse. Did she see you there? 8-) -- Tom Article 10454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Liability Insurance for bee stings Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:43:59 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <34908517.180E@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqhQl7U5JyTsf+y> Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10454 In article <34908517.180E@earthlink.net>, Ladislao Guerra writes >Has anyone had a similar experience? Anyone know about liability >insurance? Most Home Insurance Policies in the UK do NOT cover the householder. When renewing my policy I always ask but have not yet found one that does, although I believe there are some - probably the ones that cover special groups like police, civil cervants or some such. However, membership of the BBKA either as an individual member or through branch membership gives cover to £2,000,000 (2 million pounds) in any one claim. -- Tom http://www.tomsp8.demon.co.uk Furness BKA newsletter Article 10455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3490A830.1A05@spam.here> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:57:52 -0700 From: Phil Reply-To: goldpnr23@ibm.ten Organization: Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Master Bekeepers my area? References: <348F8126.5853@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.243.130 Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ais.net!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!129.37.243.130 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10455 Tom Speight wrote: > > In article <348F8126.5853@ibm.net>, Phil writes > >Phil > >ComputerPerson, but don't tell my mother, she thinks I'm a piano player > >in a whorehouse. > Did she see you there? 8-) > -- > Tom No, But I saw your mother there..... ;-p -- Phil (NM) --antispam: remove the 23 and change the ten to net Article 10456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pjbnet.demon.co.uk!JonCole From: Jon Cole Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.med.nutrition Subject: Crop Protection and Animal Health sites Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:37:48 +0000 Organization: PJB Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk [158.152.115.88] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a <1zUHjtIDRAuY9sonhNPb+08hrj> Lines: 71 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:22274 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10456 sci.agriculture.fruit:1344 sci.agriculture.poultry:3955 sci.med.nutrition:82179 Unrivalled coverage of the international animal health and nutrition industry and the latest developments in the international crop protection industry is available from the homepages of: *Animal Pharm World Animal Health and Nutrition News - http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/animal - ***Updated December 5th*** *Animal Pharm Reports - http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/aprep *Agrow World Crop Protection News - http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agrow - ***Updated December 12th*** *Agrow Reports - http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agrep *AGROProjects - http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agroproj Veterinary ---------- http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/animal Animal Pharm World Animal Health and Nutrition News provides unrivalled coverage of the international animal health and nutrition industry. 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Presented in three parts, AGROProjects is designed to help you examine R&D trends and to monitor agrochemicals from their origins through to launch. Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications E-mail: jonc@pjbnet.demon.co.uk Article 10457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.174.5.49!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!news From: Mark Anspach Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mason Bee Info. Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:04:33 -0700 Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Lines: 11 Message-ID: <34915281.154D@fc.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hpfcelw.fc.hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/725) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10457 A few days ago, I requested information about sources of Orchard Mason Bees. The following web page is very useful for information concerning these bees and provides a list of suppliers... just in case anyone is interested. http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/ipm/insects/pollinat/solitary.htm Happy polinating, Mark Article 10545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: emsquared@kohala.net Subject: Want UncappingMachine Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 13:01:28 -0600 Message-ID: <882636991.699006987@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gte.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Dec 20 16:56:31 1997 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: emsquared@kohala.net X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0.1; Mac_PowerPC) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 206.127.241.10 (pm4-10.ilhawaii.net) Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10545 I am interested in buying a second hand Cowan or Cowan Silver Queen uncapping machine... Aloha, mike moriarty -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 10546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!skyshots.demon.co.uk!awm From: Alan Mackie Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: candle mold Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:06:23 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <349D454B.588B@mms.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: skyshots.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: skyshots.demon.co.uk [193.237.18.154] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10546 Charles :> >advise where I can obtain a candle mold? Where in the world are you? -- Alan Article 10547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Slipped up this fall Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:46:56 +0000 Organization: at home Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <349B59D2.7A577BC4@mgl.ca> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk [194.222.36.211] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 42 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10547 Hi John, As you guessed you HAVE to get that super/ Q excluder off. The bees will not abandon the queen in the lower part of the hive and the natural convection of that upper space saps the warmth from the cluster. There will be no brood in the hive. Just pick as warm a day as practical and do it quickly. Fit a clearer board and then a few days later take off that super. Leave the clearer board on as a crown board until the spring. If you suspect that the food reserves in the brood chamber are low you will have to feed a strong syrup or candy. Best wishes Graham Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Logggie Baird 1928 :-\ z z Z Z Z .. Z .. ( \ Z / ) ( \ \ / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ \ y / //v-v\\ || || Article 10548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!jussieu.fr!ext.jussieu.fr!not-for-mail From: LALLEMENT Pascal 108006 Newsgroups: fr.usenet.forums.annonces,fr.usenet.forums.evolution,fr.rec.divers,fr.rec.jardinage,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: [AAD 2] creation de fr.rec.apiculture (non modere) Followup-To: fr.usenet.forums.evolution Date: 22 Dec 1997 10:26:23 +0100 Organization: Usenet Lines: 144 Approved: fufa@teaser.fr Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: piaf.lami.univ-evry.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Original-Sender: Pascal.PETIT@LaMI.univ-evry.fr X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10548 ----------------- Hello. This message is the second call for a discussion about the creation of a newsgroup in french about fr.rec.apiculture . All answers to this message are sent directly to the french newsgroup fr.usenet.forums.evolution. If you speak french, you may be interested in participating. If not, sorry for the disturbance. ------------------ Bonjour, Ce message est le second appel à discussion en vue de la création du forum fr.rec.apiculture. Cet appel est en accord avec le guide pour la création de groupes et a été posté dans les forums suivants : fr.usenet.forums.annonces fr.usenet.forums.evolution (vers lequel est positionné le " suivi à ") fr.rec.divers fr.rec.jardinage sci.agriculture.beekeeping Ce n'est pas un appel à voter. Ne pas voter pour le moment. Tous les messages de discussion doivent être postés exclusivement dans , forum dédié à la discussion de propositions de nouveaux forums de discussions. --------------- CHARTE DU FORUM --------------- NOM : fr.rec.apiculture STATUT : Non-Modéré DESCRIPTION : Forum sur l'apiculture. LANGUE : français OBJET : ------ Le but de ce forum est de permettre aux personnes intéressées de discuter d'apiculture et d'échanger des informations à ce sujet. Ce forum concerne la vie des abeilles, leurs parasites, leurs maladies, les produits de la ruche, leur transformation, leur commercialisation et les techniques apicoles. Ce forum concerne l'apiculture sédentaire ou nomade. Voici une liste non exhaustive de thèmes pertinents : - Biologie des abeilles (les races, nutrition, la colonie, etc.) ; - Biologie appliquée (Pollinisation, sélection, maladies, parasites, etc.) ; - Botanique apicole ; - Economie et législation (organisations apicoles, législation, etc.); - Histoire de l'apiculture ; - Conduite du rucher (essaimage naturel ou artificiel, élevage des reines, hivernage, réunion de colonies, etc.) ; - Produits de la ruche (miel, pollen, gelée royale, propolis, etc.) ; - Matériel (ruches, miellerie, etc.), etc. Les petites annonces de vente, d'achat sont acceptées à condition qu'elles ne soient pas répétées et qu'elles fassent l'objet d'un postage croisé avec le groupe dédié a ce sujet : RAISON : ------- L'apiculture est très populaires en France et dans les pays de langue francophone. Un forum sur le sujet permettrait de rassembler toutes les personnes intéressées. Il existe plusieurs mailing list en français sur ce sujet. Elles sont assez actives et reçoivent environ une 10aine de messages par jour. Toutefois, la solution des mailing list est assez contraignante et un groupe de news serait plus adapté. Il existe un forum très actif en langue anglaise sur ce sujet sci.agriculture.beekeeping. Un forum en langue française serait un plus pour la communauté francophone des apiculteurs. QUELQUES RAPPELS DE BON USAGE : ------------------------------ Au cas où un article aurait sa place sur plusieurs forums, il est possible de faire un postage croisé dans ces forums, à condition de ne pas en abuser et de positionner la suite du message (champ "Followup-to:") sur un seul forum. Les messages d'annonces de site Web concernant l'objet du forum sont acceptés, à condition qu'ils ne soient pas répétés et qu'ils fassent l'objet d'un postage croisé avec le forum dédié à ce sujet : (ce forum étant modéré, consultez sa charte avant de poster). Les règles en usage dans la hiérarchie fr s'appliquent évidemment à ce forum, on rappellera en particulier que : - ce forum est d'expression francophone, il n'est pas interdit de doubler une contribution dans une autre langue, néanmoins, l'usage exclusif de l'anglais, par exemple, risque de se voir considéré comme particulièrement inconvenant. - les fichiers binaires, y compris les images, y sont interdits, et qu'on leur préférera une référence de page Web ou de site FTP, - que les annonces commerciales et autres "Make Money Fast" y sont également interdits, et que leurs auteurs risquent le mépris de tous les lecteurs. - que pour préserver la qualité des échanges de ce groupe, on s'abstiendra de répondre aux "Make money Fast". ---------------- FIN DE LA CHARTE ---------------- RAPPEL : ------- La discussion est ouverte pour une période maximale de 30 jours. Elle peut, bien entendu, se finir avant cette date si un consensus est dégagé rapidement (pour ou contre). Dans le cas où un consensus sur l'utilité et la charte de ce forum apparaîtrait, un appel à voter sera posté, dans lequel seront précisées les modalités de vote. Article 10549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: fr.usenet.forums.evolution,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,news.groups Subject: Re: [AAD 2] creation de fr.rec.apiculture (non modere) Date: 22 Dec 1997 13:29:16 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 19 Message-ID: <67lpvc$qbu$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10549 news.groups:284528 In article , LALLEMENT Pascal 108006 wrote: >----------------- >Hello. >This message is the second call for a discussion about the >creation of a newsgroup in french about fr.rec.apiculture . >All answers to this message are sent directly to the french newsgroup >fr.usenet.forums.evolution. >If you speak french, you may be interested in participating. >If not, sorry for the disturbance. Hummm. So is there a French internet too? Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 10550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!knews.uk0.vbc.net!vbcnet-gb!news.enta.net!not-for-mail From: "Richard Hill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Busy buzzin' the web honey! Date: 22 Dec 1997 13:48:48 GMT Organization: NEWSplus... Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bd0ee0$94028c20$3d614ac3@newsplus> NNTP-Posting-Host: warp6-60.entanet.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10550 The above article which looks at apiculture on the internet was published in Bee World recently. Reprints are available free from the author. Please send a stamped self-addressed envelope:- Richard Hill 8 Folkestone Court Langley Berkshire SL3 8LX United Kingdom Please mark your envelope 'Bee World' -- Richard Hill - Writer and Journalist NEWSplus... A member of the national Union of Journalists e-mail: richard@newsplus.enta.net URL: http://www.newsplus.enta.net Article 10551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!207.69.200.14!firehose.mindspring.com!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cronkite.cc.uga.edu!rigel!kate From: kate@rigel.econ.uga.edu (Kate Wrightson) Newsgroups: fr.usenet.forums.evolution,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,news.groups Subject: Re: [AAD 2] creation de fr.rec.apiculture (non modere) Followup-To: news.admin.hierarchies Date: 22 Dec 1997 14:02:08 GMT Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 23 Message-ID: <67lrt0$t83$1@cronkite.cc.uga.edu> References: <67lpvc$qbu$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigel.econ.uga.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10551 news.groups:284538 In article <67lpvc$qbu$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Adam Finkelstein wrote: >Hummm. So is there a French internet too? No. There is a fr.* hierarchy which contains French-language groups, which is most widely available in France but is available to any news server in the world which can obtain a feed to carry it. fr.* is similar to de.*, fj.*, and es.*, which are all non-English language hierarchies and may carry groups named identically to those in the Big 8, or groups of interest only to that hierarchy's readers. Posts in these groups are transmitted in the same way as posts in Big 8 or alt.* or us.* or net.*; that is, there is no separate "French internet" or German or Japanese or Spanish internet. There are merely hierarchies with differing rules and requirements, using the global network to transmit posts. Follow-ups set to news.admin.hierarchies. -- ________________________________________________________________________ kate@rigel.econ.uga.edu kate wrightson blaze.cba.uga.edu/~kate Article 10552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3498a228.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> <34997CDC.DB5@ibm.net> Subject: Re: Lousy Bees Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:56:53 -0500 Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: kenn016-68.cybertours.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kenn016-68.cybertours.com Message-ID: <349e7f37.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!kenn016-68.cybertours.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10552 Greetings! ooops..the url is located below my address>www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Well,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee >> Greetings! >> I have the privilege to "add" George Imirie's articles on my web site. >> George is a Master Beekeeper from the State of Maryland and has been a >> beekeeper for approx. 60 years..today's feature is about "Lousy Bees"..read >> and learn!(IMHO) :)..article located at the beelinks page. ENJOY!!!!! >> Midnitebee(Herb) >> >> -- >> Holly-B Apiary >> P.O. Box 26 >> Well,Maine 04090-0026 >> www.cybertours.com > > >But a URL where to find your site would help..... Article 10553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders or No? Date: 22 Dec 1997 15:33:41 GMT Lines: 29 Message-ID: <19971222153301.KAA10557@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <34988735.143275786@news.earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10553 In article <34988735.143275786@news.earthlink.net>, jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) writes: >Many good beekeepers use queen excluders, while many other good beekeepers do >not. I choose not to use queen excluders, and am curious to learn why >people use them. Here in South Carolina, I could get by without queen excluders in the spring, during the main honeyflow, though it is easier, as a commercial beekeeper to use them and save time thereby. But summer flows are spotty or non-existant. Any two story hives are broken down to singles by mid-May for pollination of cucurbits. I leave one or two supers on each one, with a couple frames of honey to make sure the bees go through the excluders and feed them if it gets hot and dry in the summer. If they do get a flow during mid-Summer, with an excluder, they will put up a little honey. Without an excluder, the queen will run on up through the hive, and they will be enormous hives (often with a lot of drones) come fall, and not a drop of honey. It will all be converted to brood. So I figure that good management requires excluders, at least in summer here. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Wayne Curtis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Following the Bloom Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:00:26 +0000 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <349E805B.625F@maine.com> Reply-To: curtis@maine.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.101.179 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10554 Douglas Whynott's book "Following the Bloom" appears to have gone out of print before I could buy a copy. Anyone have a copy they'd be willing to part with? Or have you seen a copy lingering on a bookstore shelf somewhere? Please e-mail me with the particulars. Thanks. Article 10555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!scanner.worldgate.com!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!not-for-mail From: "MacWax" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re: Candle molds Date: 22 Dec 1997 19:54:18 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bd0f13$675411c0$f0d92dce@gqgrmhba> NNTP-Posting-Host: gl-dialin240.cpnet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10555 Charles; Country Lane Candle Supplies carry a large assortment of Candle molds as well as wicks and dyes, along with many other candle supplies. You can either phone them at (204) 685-2242 or email them at either info@clcs.com or sales@clcs.com Article 10556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.magicnet.net!not-for-mail From: Ed Craft Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders or No? Date: 22 Dec 1997 22:08:25 GMT Organization: MagicNet, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <67mocp$ece$1@comet3.magicnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm61-40.magicnet.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10556 pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) writes: > In article <34988735.143275786@news.earthlink.net>, jcaldeira@earthlink.net > > If they do get a flow during mid-Summer, with an excluder, they will put up > a little honey. Without an excluder, the queen will run on up through the > hive, and they will be enormous hives (often with a lot of drones) come fall, > and not a drop of honey. It will all be converted to brood. So I figure that > good management requires excluders, at least in summer here. Dave I run excluders on all my singles in Florida all year. This seems to work well most of the time. However I was out making up nucs today. And I found 5 out of 60 with queens up above the excluder. One excluder was damaged so I figured that one out. What do you think is the reason on the others ? Ed Craft Article 10557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lousy Bees Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:11:38 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 51 Message-ID: <349EE59A.61424CD3@ne.mediaone.net> References: <3498a228.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> <34997C23.2925@ibm.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10557 > In article <34997C23.2925@ibm.net>, goldpnr@ibm.ten wrote: > > > How does one get the distinction MAster Beekeeper? IS it a degree? A > > > time in grade? WHo awards it? > > THanks! > Master Beekeeper is a designation earned by people who take a three part test that has (for as long as I remember) been administered at EAS (Eastern Apicultural Society) annual meeting. The test consists of a written part, a laboratory part, and a field (apiary) part. I'm not certain, but I think one has to get a combined score of 85% on the lab and written portion, with a minimum score of 80% on either. I think the field test is not graded per say but you have to be darn good with those bees to pass it. The test has been devised by various entomologist university professors over the years with a lot of help from the Master beekeepers to give the tests. Currently Maryann Tomasko Frasier from the University of Pennsylvania is in charge of the program. There is another program put together by the (North or South) Carolina Beekeepers Association (sorry I don't remember which Carolina) that is similar but more extensive. Their tests are just the beginning. Their program starts with passing the tests, there are community service and beekeeping education to the community requirements, and I believe one achieves the pinaccle of their program by completing a research project that is supervised by their state university. This program reminds me alot of the Master Gardener programs that many states maintain... I like it! There are those who are discussing ways to perhaps multi-stage the EAS program and those who are resistant to change. It's kind of a neat program, especially for those who aren't making a living at the bees and/or really want some way to measure how well they know bees and whether what they've learned about the bees over the past howevermany years is factual. I know some folks who've taken the exams because they are frequently quoted and/or making presentations to local schools and found the "Master Beekeeper" credential a handy way to state their level of expertise. There are others who've taken it for the personal challenge alone. I think it's neat that there's a way, short of an economic measurement (bee biz success or failure) or entomology degree, for those who mostly dabble (like us) to measure how much good information has been absorbed. Kathy Article 10558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cdc2.cdc.net!news From: neves(NOSPAM)@cdc.net (Ron Neves) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yugo ARS-Y-C-1 vs the Grey Caucasians Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:21:26 GMT Organization: None Lines: 7 Message-ID: <349ef5dd.3504815@news> Reply-To: neves(NOSPAM)@cdc.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm10-24.chattanooga.cdc.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.478 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10558 What are the pros & cons for a beginning Bee keeper using the Yugo ARS-Y-C-1 vs the Grey Caucasians? Thanks Ron Neves Article 10559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!not-for-mail From: "Murray Atthill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees in a text Date: 23 Dec 1997 01:52:25 GMT Organization: iSTAR internet Incorporated Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bd0f46$837a4e40$904674ce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-144.quadro.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10559 Hello All I have seen texts in a field and they tell me that there bees in there.. Murray.. Article 10560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders or No? Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:59:16 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 23 Message-ID: <349F1AF4.4FC643F5@ne.mediaone.net> References: <67mocp$ece$1@comet3.magicnet.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10560 Ed Craft wrote: > Dave > I run excluders on all my singles in Florida all year. This seems > to > work well most of the time. > However I was out making up nucs today. And I found 5 out of 60 > with queens up above the excluder. One excluder was damaged so I > figured > that one out. What do you think is the reason on the others ? > > Ed Craft Ed,Slim queens will fit through an excluder. I've had a virgin queen slip through the excluder in the summer and then start laying and get stuck up there (actually started a two queen colony on more than one occasion). Do mated queens slim down enough when they stop laying to fit through the excluder? Being up north, I never have excluders on when a mated queen has finished laying for the year, but it makes sense to me that she'd slim down that much...is that right? Kathy Article 10561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!209.130.129.134!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yugo ARS-Y-C-1 vs the Grey Caucasians Date: 23 Dec 1997 04:28:42 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 44 Message-ID: <01bd0f5b$48bc9140$2e9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <349ef5dd.3504815@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-32.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10561 NOSPAMRon Neves wrote in article <349ef5dd.3504815@news>... > What are the pros & cons for a beginning Bee keeper using the > Yugo ARS-Y-C-1 vs the Grey Caucasians? Whereabouts might ya live Ron? Just a general state, or region of the country would help. Several of our HIP Cooperators tested the YUGO (ARS-YC1) when they first came out. Overall we were decidely unimpressed with them. They were tested in both MI and FL by HIP Cooperators. We collectively found only a couple queens worth having - most of the rest did very little for us - as per only survived (if that) and did not make a respectable let alone a good crop of honey. We tested those first generation after release YUGO's from several suppliers with very similar results. One of the Breeder-Propogators tells me however that the actually purebred AI stock is pretty good and exhibits the desirable traits of Carnica bees - you however will not be dealing with that but rather would be dealing with YUGO virgins bred randomly to predominantly Italian drones. Some MI Beekeepers do favor Caucausians. -- Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ "Did you know-- * Every 13 seconds one of America's 70 million gun owners uses a firearm in defense against a criminal? J. Neil Schulman, "Stopping Power: Why 70 Million Americans Own Guns" http://www.pulpless.com/stopower.html Article 10562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders or No? Date: 23 Dec 1997 04:36:50 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <19971223043601.XAA01417@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <349F1AF4.4FC643F5@ne.mediaone.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10562 From: Kathy Hough >Do mated queens slim down enough when they stop laying to >fit through the excluder? Being up north, I never have excluders on >when a mated queen has finished laying for the year, but it makes sense >to me that she'd slim down that much...is that right? Yup. Also, they can supersede, with the newly mated queen returning to a top entrance, not impossible considering the state of my equipment. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.magicnet.net!not-for-mail From: Ed Craft Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders or No? Date: 23 Dec 1997 05:30:22 GMT Organization: MagicNet, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <67ni9e$10h$1@comet2.magicnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm61-34.magicnet.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10563 Kathy Hough writes: > Ed,Slim queens will fit through an excluder. I've had a virgin queen > slip through the excluder in the summer and then start laying and get > stuck up there (actually started a two queen colony on more than one > occasion). That is true. I believe these hives must have swarmed and the young queen fit through the excluder. Do mated queens slim down enough when they stop laying to > fit through the excluder? Being up north, I never have excluders on > when a mated queen has finished laying for the year, but it makes sense > to me that she'd slim down that much...is that right? > Kathy > > According to Dave they do slim down. However these queens haven't stopped laying yet. We still have nice warm days (85 today) plenty of pollen and syrup on to keep them going. Ed Article 10564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Gleanings in Bee Culture.. Date: 19 Dec 1997 00:51:04 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bd0c18$1d0a3ac0$f762afce@default> References: <34956635.768D1BC2@mathworks.nospam.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn89-247.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10564 http://www.airoot.com -- E.L.Scofield Virginia Beach,VA Allan Waters wrote in article <34956635.768D1BC2@mathworks.nospam.com>... > Does anyone have any information on where this magazine can be found? > I am not sure if that is even the correct name.... > Thanks, > > > > Article 10565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news-nb.rutgers.edu!uunet!in5.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Other stocks? (Re: Yugo ARS-Y-C-1 vs the Grey Caucasians) Date: 23 Dec 1997 12:05:07 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <67o9dj$9l6$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <349ef5dd.3504815@news> <01bd0f5b$48bc9140$2e9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10565 In article <01bd0f5b$48bc9140$2e9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>, Jack Griffes (spamblocked) wrote: > >Several of our HIP Cooperators tested the YUGO (ARS-YC1) when >they first came out. Overall we were decidely unimpressed with >them. They were tested in both MI and FL by HIP Cooperators. >We collectively found only a couple queens worth having - most >of the rest did very little for us - as per only survived (if >that) and did not make a respectable let alone a good crop of >honey. Reading this is fascinationg. If you would, Jack, what other lines and strains of bees do the HIP Cooperators favor and reject? Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 10566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: fr.usenet.forums.evolution,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,news.groups Subject: Re: [AAD 2] creation de fr.rec.apiculture (non modere) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:24:07 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 9 Message-ID: <67mi7p$fck$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <67lpvc$qbu$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp18.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10566 news.groups:284575 In article <67lpvc$qbu$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article , >LALLEMENT Pascal 108006 wrote: >>----------------- >>Hello. >>This message is the second call for a discussion about the >>creation of a newsgroup in french about fr.rec.apiculture . Je peux parler en Français parfaitement, alors je veux participer. Article 10567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.12.228!hyperion.nitco.com!harpo11.nitco.com!user From: skibum@netnitco.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mail Order Bees Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:14:34 -0600 Organization: Northwestern Indiana Telephone Co. Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: harpo11.nitco.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10567 Could anyone suggest a place that I can mail order package bees for 98. I live in the Chicago area . My E-mail address is skibum@netnitco.net Thanks Mike Article 10568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dougb713@aol.com (DougB713) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Wooden Ware Date: 23 Dec 1997 15:10:18 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19971223151000.KAA04390@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10568 Anyone in Western PA or Eastern OH have used hives, etc for sale. Please reply directly. thanks dougb713@aol.com Article 10569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34A01729.E1BE288E@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:55:22 -0500 From: "Philip M. Hempel" Reply-To: phemple@communicatonssystems.com Organization: Communications Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: skibum@netnitco.net Subject: Re: Mail Order Bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.105.105 Lines: 22 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ais.net!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!166.72.105.105 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10569 Blossomland Supply in Berrien Center, MI will be taking orders on 5 frame and 9 frame starter colonies. We are located about 2 hours from downtown Chicago along the eastern beaches of Lake Michigan. Check out the website for online secure ordering at www.blossomland.com. Call 800-637.5262 for details. Good Luck Phil Hempel phempel@blossomland.com skibum@netnitco.net wrote: > Could anyone suggest a place that I can mail order package bees for 98. > I live in the Chicago area . > > My E-mail address is skibum@netnitco.net > > Thanks Mike Article 10570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news-xfer.mccc.edu!news.lightlink.com!news.graphics.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!test181.tc.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees in a text Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:02:15 -0500 Organization: slainte mhath Lines: 8 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <01bd0f46$837a4e40$904674ce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: test181.tc.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10570 In article <01bd0f46$837a4e40$904674ce@default>, "Murray Atthill" wrote: > Hello All > I have seen texts in a field and they tell me that there bees in there.. > Murray.. I guess that about settles it, then. We can all move on now. Article 10571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.94.128.13!news.javanet.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Bonney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:20:48 +0000 Organization: JavaNet Cafe Lines: 7 Message-ID: <349F9E8F.702B@javanet.com> References: <67mocp$ece$1@comet3.magicnet.net> <349F1AF4.4FC643F5@ne.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: armory-us228.javanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10571 It is the thorax of a mature queen that does not fit through a queen excluder. In a newly emerged queen whose musculature is still developing, she might slip through. In a mature queen who slims down for swarming, she should not be able to slip through since her thoracic muscles would not be reduced. Dick Bonney Article 10572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cdc2.cdc.net!news From: neves(NOSPAM)@(NOSPAM)cdc.net (Ron Neves) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yugo ARS-Y-C-1 vs the Grey Caucasians Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 03:34:14 GMT Organization: None Lines: 8 Message-ID: <34a0825f.21925717@news> References: <349ef5dd.3504815@news> <01bd0f5b$48bc9140$2e9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: neves(NOSPAM)@(NOSPAM)cdc.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm11-76.chattanooga.cdc.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.478 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10572 On 23 Dec 1997 04:28:42 GMT, "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" >Whereabouts might ya live Ron? Just a general state, or region >of the country would help. > Thanks for the Information. I live in East TN near the Georgia/TN State border. Article 10573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.new-york.net!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Other stocks? (Re: Yugo ARS-Y-C-1 vs the Grey Caucasians) Date: 24 Dec 1997 05:02:55 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 73 Message-ID: <01bd1029$4864a1a0$359182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <349ef5dd.3504815@news> <01bd0f5b$48bc9140$2e9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <67o9dj$9l6$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-39.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10573 Adam Finkelstein wrote in article <67o9dj$9l6$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... > In article <01bd0f5b$48bc9140$2e9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>, > Jack Griffes (spamblocked) wrote: > > > >Several of our HIP Cooperators tested the YUGO (ARS-YC1) when > >they first came out. Overall we were decidely unimpressed with > >them. They were tested in both MI and FL by HIP Cooperators. > >We collectively found only a couple queens worth having - most > >of the rest did very little for us - as per only survived (if > >that) and did not make a respectable let alone a good crop of > >honey. > > Reading this is fascinationg. If you would, Jack, what other lines and > strains of bees do the HIP Cooperators favor and reject? Glad to oblige you Adam. That said realize there are many strains we have not tested so the list is far from all inclusive. We tend to be reticent to mention the failures to perform amongst strains that are not advertised with claims of some level of mite resistance - so aside from mentioning the FACT that there are some well known strains that are absolute mite magnets (though darn dandy good bees aside from that) I shall forbear to mention them by name for the express reason that the good traits they have in abundance tell us that the breeders worked hard to breed them. We thus hope these obviously good breeders shall in time reduce the extreme susceptibility to mites their strains currently suffer from and thus we do not desire to do them harm via broadcasting about which mite magnet strains we have tested. If ya really wanna know the only way you get it outta my lips is AFTER you have proven yourself as a faithful HIP Cooperator that can excersize similar decorum - so don't bother begging me to tell ya. Now if you ask about strains advertised as mite resistant well then that there is a horse of a different color. Of the good strains (aside from our own) we have tested (none yet are highly V-mite resistant but these seem to have decent levels of T-mite resistance) we have had (or are having) overall good luck with the following we have tested (or are currently testing): Weaver Buckfast New World Carniolan Webster (Kirk Webster - Champlain Valley Bees and Queens - Middlebury, VT) Some other "Carnica" strains and "Caucausian" strains - BUT not all of them - most of these looked to actually be crosses so the admixture is uncertain to be replicated from year to year by the supplier and thus bears no mention by strain name as the results are too likely to vary. We are currently testing Canadian Buckfast up in the Upper Peninsula of MI. We suspect they shall do good as well and perhaps even better in some regards than the Weaver Buckfast as they are fewer generations away from the Abbey and more nearly following Brother Adam's selection procedures up there in the North. Time will tell if our projection is correct or not. -- Jack Griffes, Coordinator Honeybee Improvement Program Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ Article 10574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varrora resistance Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:32:17 -0500 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: kenn017-133.cybertours.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kenn017-133.cybertours.com Message-ID: <34a09ddc.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!kenn017-133.cybertours.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10574 Greetings! I have added a report of "US Varroa Resistance Reported", by Tony Jadczak,Maine State Bee Inspector. Also, another report by George Imirie entitled "Anthropomorphic" has been included on my beelinks page. Midnitebee(Herb) Enjoy! -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Well,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 10575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "David L Crawford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Take Upper Hand Over Mites Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:58:56 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <67q16m$oto@bolivia.earthlink.net> References: <67if4c$89p$1@nntp.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.37.36.27 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10575 Peter Amschel wrote in message <67if4c$89p$1@nntp.pe.net>... >because they are prevented from doing so by the faux spaces in >these nazi Langstroth frames. If the bees are in non-Langstroth >hives, they can begin to dominate the mites as they can easily pick >these mites off one anotherare getting the upper hand Having removed several thousand wild colonies, it is obvious that Peter could do quite well with his theory if he'd just add some seed and water to his fertilizer and try gardening instead if beekeeping. David Crawford Article 10576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Branding Iron for Hive Boxes Date: 20 Dec 1997 10:50:08 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bd0d34$f7977280$3562afce@default> References: <349B2991.19C@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn88-053.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10576 Walter T. Kelly Co. -- E.L.Scofield Virginia Beach,VA Dr. Lalo wrote in article <349B2991.19C@earthlink.net>... > I have been looking around for a branding iron so that I can brand my > hive boxes in the outyards. > > Does anyone know a source? > > Thanks in advance > > Lalo > > Article 10577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.multipro.com!usenet From: "doyle carson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Date: 24 Dec 1997 13:48:12 GMT Organization: The MultiPro Network Lines: 147 Message-ID: <01bd1084$93890580$61b078cf@doyle.multipro.com> References: <01bd00f3$f5416b00$LocalHost@default> <01bd0413$dd04a200$LocalHost@default> <01bd0835$5f6fe720$319182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <01bd0994$6b2a8380$LocalHost@default> <01bd0b74$33389520$309182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <01bd0cb2$394cfa20$LocalHost@default> <01bd0d0c$50b13000$359182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <01bd0d86$677bfe80$LocalHost@default> <01bd0e17$ee2cec00$20af99d1@mgriffes> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.ippool.cumberland.multipro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10577 Don't you think that the varroa mite would have some type of predator? Jack Griffes (spamblocked) wrote in article <01bd0e17$ee2cec00$20af99d1@mgriffes>... > Harry Goudie wrote in article > <01bd0d86$677bfe80$LocalHost@default>... > > Jack Griffes (spamblocked) wrote > > in article <01bd0d0c$50b13000$359182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>... > > > Harry Goudie wrote in article > > > <01bd0cb2$394cfa20$LocalHost@default>... > > > > > > > > > Harry - don't ya dip yer sheep in Scotland? > > > > Dear Jack, > > You are absolutely correct in that we do dip sheep in Scotland. I don't > > keep sheep but I believe that up until a few years ago sheep dipping was > > compulsory and the chemicals used were, like apistan, thought to be > *safe* > > until it was noticed that the eagles were dying after eating dead sheep. > I > > think this practice has now been changed. > > > > > > > > Also wasn't Scotland right in the fallout path of Chernobyl? > > > > Again Jack you are right. Scotland was in the fallout path of Chernobyl > > and the government did a lot of testing all over the place. Once again > > they tell us it is *safe*. Do you believe that? > > > Apparently you must since you have declared the area pristine - my point > was that it is not - I thank you for making my point. > > To more directly answer your question "NO" I don't believe there are many > if any places on the entire planet where one may find not a trace of > chemical or nuclear waste in evidence in at least some minute quantity. > > > > In your last post I got the impression that you were saying that because > > honey/wax contains all sorts of unwanted chemicals that it did not matter > > if you added another one. > > Precisely why you jumped to that conclusion would be interesting to know > since I said nothing of the kind. Fact is Harry I have been working > harder than most in selectively breeding Apis mellifera bees toward an > economic level of dual resistance - (highly resistant to both T-mites and > V-mites being the objective whilst maintaining and even increasing the > level of other needful traits as well). Ya might ought hop over to my web > site and take yerself a gander at the old HIP protocol and also Treatment > Timing Tips - both might give you some insights into beekeeping realities > of which you may or may not be currently aware. > > > > > I think we have to draw a line somewhere. Which > > is why I suggested using drone trapping. > > > I am all for reducing chemical usage whenever that is actually possible to > achieve in a practical fashion. The fact is it is NOT possible at a > practical level today. Via resistance oriented breeding HIP and others are > working to make it a practical solution some yet uknown long while from now > (possibly 10-20 years perhaps 5-10 if a serious breakthrough occurs). > > > >Can you tell me more about the > > computer program which suggested that drone trapping did not work. > > A computer model takes all known variables and produces a simulation > wherein the operator can adjust one variable and the computer can (if the > model is accurate and this one seems to be) then predict what will happen > due to the change of that one variable. Of the methods tested on the > model which we have experience with the model's prediction is RIGHT ON > target in every case which gives us some faith that the model is accurate. > > The model suggested that NO method works in actually extending colony > survival beyond the 2-3 year cycle of death unless it achieves consistently > a 95% or greater mite kill which drone trapping does NOT do. Drone > trapping is only one of many variations MSU tested and found wanting. > > > > What > > method of drone trapping was considered. > > Multiple trap and remove. > > > > With regard to the chlorination of water. The point I was trying to > make > > was that by trying to control varroa we are keeping them alive. I found > > this quite a strange fact and I can't think of a similar situation. > > Harry we control V-mites precisely the same way we control other parasites. > Guess what V-mites are parasites. That is we must knock down the > parasite level to the point the host can survive despite the fact they will > again get reinfested. Practicality does not allow total eradication of > many if any parasites although I suspect that around Hiroshima the parasite > level was zero for a spell after the A-bomb - but that of course eliminated > the hosts as well so it ain't a practical solution. > > > >By > > adding chlorine to water we kill all the organisms in the water which is > > not the same thing. > > Chlorine is added primarily to kill bacteria and possibly some viruses. > It may likewise kill some organisms that could rightly be considered > parasites of humans but that according to my understanding is NOT the > primary aim of chlorination. And chlorination only works if it is done > properly - it too ain't no magic bullet. > > > -- > Jack Griffes > Onsted, MI 49265 > USA > e-mail: jack_griffes AT hotmail.com > (just replace "AT" with the at symbol) > website: http://members.tripod.com/Griffes/ > > > > > This article was posted from Slurp Net. > Article 10578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!not-for-mail From: "MacWax" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Merry Christmas Date: 24 Dec 1997 15:14:26 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 1 Message-ID: <01bd107e$a6f2dde0$f5d92dce@gqgrmhba> NNTP-Posting-Host: gl-dialin245.cpnet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10578 Merry Christmas to you all and a Blessed New Year! Article 10579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!209.130.129.134!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Date: 24 Dec 1997 17:27:37 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 47 Message-ID: <01bd1091$32863340$189182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bd00f3$f5416b00$LocalHost@default> <01bd0413$dd04a200$LocalHost@default> <01bd0835$5f6fe720$319182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <01bd0994$6b2a8380$LocalHost@default> <01bd0b74$33389520$309182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <01bd0cb2$394cfa20$LocalHost@default> <01bd0d0c$50b13000$359182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <01bd0d86$677bfe80$LocalHost@default> <01bd0e17$ee2cec00$20af99d1@mgriffes> <01bd1084$93890580$61b078cf@doyle.multipro.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-10.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10579 doyle carson wrote in article <01bd1084$93890580$61b078cf@doyle.multipro.com>... > Don't you think that the varroa mite would have some type of predator? An astute hypothesis you forward here Doyle. Fact is they do have things that eat them though of the ones we know of they would more correctly be considered scavengers as they eat the ones that fall rather than actively entering the nest and searching them out (yes scavengers do at times kill prey). This is why any mite fall trap MUST be made in such a manner that said scavengers canNOT do damage to the trapped mites if one is looking at VKf as a resistance mechanism - using a good insect glue or a good coating of aerosol vegetable oil on wax paper accomplishes that objective fairly well. As to the possible extrapolation of this idea - that being the importing of a natural predator (if one exists) to deal with them blasted V-mites - well that might not be as wise as it appears on the surface. See when ya move a species out of its environment you have no way of fully predicting the result in the new environment. Perhaps all will go well as desired. Perhaps it will not thrive at all and thus the effort flops. Perhaps it will get completely out of control and become a pest itself because in the new environment those things which kept it in check are not present. There are also scientists trying to discover a disease that wipes out Varroa while leaving the bees unharmed. Sorta like the BT bacterium does the number on leaf-eating caterpillars that ingest it yet it does not harm the beneficial insects. So far as I have heard to date they have not found a way to accomplish this. It would be nice if they could find a way to do this as it would be the nearest thing to a magic bullet IF it could be done that way in this instance. Merry Christmas to you all, -- Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ Article 10580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!newsr.Belgium.EU.net!not-for-mail From: "Guido Quatannens" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cristmas Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 20:24:23 +0100 Organization: EUnet Belgium, Leuven, Belgium Lines: 5 Message-ID: <67rnmg$6hg$1@news3.Belgium.EU.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup88.kortrijk.eunet.be X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10580 Merry Cristmas to you all and Blessed New Year !! Guido Quatannens Article 10581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed.centuryinter.net!Katrano.spam From: Katrano.spam@centuryinter.net (Kat) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Austin Texas beekeepers? Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 21:17:03 -0600 Organization: random access Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: news7.centuryinter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.3.1 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: anxp31.sm.centuryinter.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10581 Hi Y'all, I am looking for a local source of wild honey from this area to be used in making honey mead. I only need a gallon or two to start... I am currently paying $12.50 per gallon. Thanks! 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Remove the "No.spam" from the address. http://WWW.Brewich.COM/~maven/ Katrano.spam@centuryinter.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Article 10582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!149.174.211.138!compuserve.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: candle mold Date: 22 Dec 1997 01:57:26 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01bd0e7c$c3be3cc0$9562afce@default> References: <349D454B.588B@mms.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn89-149.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10582 Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-233-7929 8:30-5:00 EST -- E.L.Scofield Virginia Beach,VA Charles Heatherly wrote in article <349D454B.588B@mms.net>... > I'm interested in making some candles from my surplus wax. Can anybody > advise where I can obtain a candle mold? Charles Heatherly email > cheatherly@mms.net > Article 10583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.51.3.225!rain.fr!pressimage!news.planete.net!news1.isdnet.net!usenet From: "Christian BARRET" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee and philately Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 15:22:45 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <680f9i$2u2$1@news2.isdnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp41.hol.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10583 I'am a french philatelist. My topic is "bee and beekeeping". I'am looking for good philatelic pieces (for exemple fancy cancellation or Chicago private post...). If anybody is interressed, please send an email Excuse my bad american writing. -- Christian BARRET 9, rue de Riquewihr F-68180 HORBOURG-WIHR Email chbarret@hol.fr Article 10584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail From: "D. B. Robinson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Following the Bloom Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 07:25:21 -0800 Organization: Cold Comfort Farm Lines: 16 Message-ID: <680i90$98d$1@news.ncal.verio.com> References: <349E805B.625F@maine.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr3-d31.cwnet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10584 Wayne, Amazon.com (www.amazon.com) says that the book is on backorder but that they expect to ship it within three to five weeks. Cordially, David Wayne Curtis wrote in message <349E805B.625F@maine.com>... >Douglas Whynott's book "Following the Bloom" appears to have gone out of >print before I could buy a copy. Anyone have a copy they'd be willing to >part with? Or have you seen a copy lingering on a bookstore shelf >somewhere? Please e-mail me with the particulars. Thanks.