From pollinator@aol.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:08 EST 1999 Article: 15716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Feb 1999 13:29:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15716 We suppose we have a lot to think about with the coming of the year 2000. How about going back 2 millinia to consider how people thought about the approach of the year zero? I mean, let's face it; it must have been really scary. Will time reverse and go forward? Will I still be right handed? Do I count from I to X, or from X to I? Will bees fly backwards and go zzuB, zzuB, zzuB? Will the chariots still run? What will their odometers read? Will their wheels still be round? Will the Romans read from right to left and the Hebrews read from left to right? Just consider the technological terrors of the average homeowner. Is my sundial YZeroK compatible? Will my abacus become user surly? Will my compas point south? Will my scribes unsubscribe? Is zero the start of the new millenium, or is it I? What is zero, anyway? Is zero a leap year? Do you divide it by IV or is IV divided by zero? Do marriage licenses expire? Math certainly got a lot more complicated. If I was born in XXIII BC, and it's now XIV AD, hmmmmm, what age should I put on my job application? Do I add those two numbers together, or subtract them? How about the year Zero? If I found a library book when I packed to move, dated II-VI-IV, but I don't know whether it was BC or AD, how would the librarian compute my fine? Should we evacuate to a cave in the wilderness and plant big gardens and store lots of food, and collect a pile of spears and swords to defend it? And where in the world did that bright star come from? Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From petty@negia.net Wed Feb 3 10:34:08 EST 1999 Article: 15717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.giganews.com!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "petty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Coumaphas for GA, SC, and NC Date: 28 Jan 1999 22:34:48 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01be4b0e$75c4a700$5ec92bcf@petty.negia.net> References: <19990123195424.21440.00002179@ng-fw1.aol.com> <36ABC999.33AD@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.43.201.94 X-Trace: 917562888 FJ6/YA4JNC95ECF2BC usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15717 coumaphas has NOT been approved for use in GA countrymeadow@ibm.net wrote in article <36ABC999.33AD@ibm.net>... > Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > > > According to Inspectors with the NC DEPT OF Agriculture approval has been > > issued in GA, Possibly SC and is expected within 2 weeks for North Carolina. > > From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Wed Feb 3 10:34:09 EST 1999 Article: 15718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.missouri.edu!uky.edu!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!192.65.202.1!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Using old hive bodies? Date: 28 Jan 1999 14:19:36 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 10 Message-ID: <78prlo$5it$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <36AFBAF5.3285@erols.com> <36AFFC71.7BAAA77F@webzone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15718 While it's true that burning the equipment will remove the problem, you can also scorch the interiors of the hivebodies and supers in question, and boil the frames in a lye bath. This seems to work, at least for my bees and for AFB. It makes sense too if you look at the way AFB is spread (via spores in the scale left behind from the dehydrated brood corpses). I know that others have posted that spores may survive and remain viable after the boiling treatment, but that doesn't mean they will necessarily be taken up and applied to the brood in a way that will inffect it, particularly if you apply terramycin when you first use the equipment. From hamilton@pbssite.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:09 EST 1999 Article: 15719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!news-stl.cp.verio.net!news.navix.net!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: nails Date: 1 Feb 1999 13:26:09 GMT Organization: Professional Business Services Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <794a1h$ceq4@iac7.navix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cras1p2.navix.net X-Newsreader: News for Windows NT X1.0-93 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15719 I just got a couple more hives/frames new from UPS with 5 sizes of nails included .. what are the rules of what nails are used where or should I be contacting the manufacurer about what he put in for what? Dave From hensler@povn.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:10 EST 1999 Article: 15720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 10:43:03 -0800 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 16 Message-ID: <36B5F5B7.EB4@povn.com> References: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp186.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15720 Yo All: A few weeks back "60 Minutes" did a segment on Y2K and an "expert" who they interviewed on the subject commented that "On Sat. morning, Jan. 1, 2000 we are going to wake up and some things won't work." So what's the big deal - I've had that problem for years. :-) Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:11 EST 1999 Article: 15721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Feb 1999 22:52:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990201175236.01215.00002470@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15721 > > > And where in the world did that bright star come from? > > >Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > Ya know dave, that star seemed to make it all ok back then, i just bout bet it'll work this time round too :) Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From apipop@wanadoo.fr Wed Feb 3 10:34:11 EST 1999 Article: 15722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "JEAN-CLAUDE TREYVAUD" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I ask for bee pictures Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:32:13 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 28 Message-ID: <795919$177$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> References: <792c3r$j3n$1@ns1.otenet.gr> <793op5$3mr6$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntmpl11-225.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15722 Try also the french site : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/gerard.solier/ Best regards JCT Jorn Johanesson a écrit dans le message <793op5$3mr6$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk>... > >ÂÁÓÉËÅÉÏÓ skrev i meddelelsen <792c3r$j3n$1@ns1.otenet.gr>... >>If you have any pictures of bees e-mail me. > > >You can get one on my homepage it is the Scandinavian Black bee and her >staff. > >best regards > > >EDBI = multilingual Beekeeping software >http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo >http://wn.com.au/apimo >http://www.apimo.dk >apimo@post4.tele.dk >apimo@wn.com.au >Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:12 EST 1999 Article: 15723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Feb 1999 22:59:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36B5F5B7.EB4@povn.com> Message-ID: <19990201175934.01215.00002472@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15723 >2000 we are going to wake up and some things won't work." > >So what's the big deal - I've had that problem for years. :-) > >Skip > wal sir they tells me that these hare egg heads back youned when folks uz jus larnin bout these hear puters..wel them fellars figured dit out that ya only needed half a da year wrote ta tell when it wuz that you wuz a lookin at. I figrres myself that tha hole thang come frum them fellas havin a hole heap a book sense an not one dang lick a common since...Thats whut i figgures. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:12 EST 1999 Article: 15724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nails Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Feb 1999 22:49:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <794a1h$ceq4@iac7.navix.net> Message-ID: <19990201174938.01215.00002468@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15724 >I just got a couple more hives/frames new from UPS with 5 sizes of nails >included .. > >what are the rules of what nails are used where or should I be contacting the >manufacurer about what he >put in for what? > >Dave > well dave its fairly simple the biggest ones go in the hive body next longest and slender nail the top bar to the frame sides and into the top bar from the side of the frame, one in each side next nail the bottom bar to the frame bottoms and last are the little buggers that hold in the wedge that you carefully break out of the top bar( with your hive tool is avery easy way ) and there be the life of a nail. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From lithar@midwest.net Wed Feb 3 10:34:13 EST 1999 Article: 15725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:23:24 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 53 Message-ID: <36B66FAC.6649@midwest.net> References: <36B5F5B7.EB4@povn.com> <19990201175934.01215.00002472@ng-ft1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 917926013 .ZFUVYH4M1C14D0EBC usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15725 Seems Y2K isn't the first, or the worst of millennial upsets. AL FWIW, Y1K was the beginning of the dark ages ------------------------------------------------------------------ Translated from Latin scroll dated 2 BC Dear Cassius: Are you still working on the Y zero K problem? This change from BC to AD is giving us a lot of headaches and we haven't much time left. I don't know how people will cope with working the wrong way around. Having been working happily downwards forever, now we have to start thinking upwards. You would think that someone would have thought of it earlier and not left it to us to sort it all out at this last minute. I spoke to Caesar the other evening. He was livid that Julius hadn't done something about it when he was sorting out the calendar. He said he could see why Brutus turned nasty. We called in Consultus, but he simply said that continuing downwards using minus BC won't work and as usual charged a fortune for doing nothing useful. Surely, we will not have to throw out all our hardware and start again? Macrohard will make yet another fortune out of this I suppose. The money lenders are paranoid of course! They have been told that all usury rates will invert and they will have to pay their clients to take out loans. Its an ill wind.... As for myself, I just can't see the sand in an hourglass flowing upwards. We have heard that there are three wise men in the East who have been working on the problem, but unfortunately they won't arrive until it's all over. I have heard that there are plans to stable all horses at midnight at the turn of the year as there are fears that they will stop and try to run backwards, causing immense damage to chariots and possible loss of life. Some say the world will cease to exist at the moment of transition. Anyway, we are still continuing to work on this blasted Y zero K problem. I will send a parchment to you if anything further develops. If you have any ideas please let me know, Plutonius From cde049@airmail.net Wed Feb 3 10:34:13 EST 1999 Article: 15726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.207.0.26!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vac Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:32:04 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 40 Message-ID: <695BF69D12C9EB5E.3216B54045ED8005.EA30611696A08DCE@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <795rmh$9qu@library.airnews.net> References: <19990201062049.15531.00002631@ng30.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Feb 1 21:33:37 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\O00+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15726 Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990201062049.15531.00002631@ng30.aol.com>... >>Wa wud sumbdy bi soap frum a stor? We jus wup up a bnch wne we do chit'lins > >would them be hand slung and scraped wit a tin can lid or politely processed an >come in one a them plastic tubs ?? Tarnation yep we duz tem by hnd wit a can lid of some time weth a pece a hubcap from pap's Edsel. >Cooked down into slop or deep fried in rings like kalimarie. ? Deep frid krsp n krnchie. >Strong enough to kill trees within 100 yards or just slightly sinus relieving ? Hnt no trees in this section. >Cooked beside a house full a yankees so as to be declared a public service ? Na her we gots a problem. E'budy noth o da RED RIVER is a yankee as fer as I si it. Ya'll frem up nort frem weins. Pap sez we ned to go sout a da Brasos te be a rel "Son of the South" >Oh thars jus so many thangs ta consider when cookin up a mess a chitlins. We duz em wit rind to, thems goood etin. >From The Republic of Texas. YA HOOOO!!! From honey.road@sympatico.ca Wed Feb 3 10:34:14 EST 1999 Article: 15727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36B659BB.2998581F@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage - http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Start-up References: <79418b$ebo$1@quince.news.easynet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:49:49 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.143 X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 917920786 206.172.183.143 (Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:59:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:59:46 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15727 John, Check my web page for some info on beekeeping. I just started last year, so I know what your looking for. Allen B John Norman wrote: > Dear Newsgroup, > > I have always been interested in keeping bees, but up to now, I have not had > the time. > > Can any one recommend a good way to start, as I do not want to be > overwhelmed by getting too bogged down in equipment and protocol? > > Many thanks, > > John W Norman. > Somerset, UK. From abchome@webzone.net Wed Feb 3 10:34:15 EST 1999 Article: 15728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!WCG!WCG-Reader.POSTED!wznews.webzone.net!208.152.100.190 Message-ID: <36B68B55.4D7F77CB@webzone.net> From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Menthol References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BAF2DFB61E32A02F517F4A1B" Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 141 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:21:26 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.23.10 X-Trace: WCG-Reader 917932913 205.219.23.10 (Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:21:53 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:21:53 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15728 --------------BAF2DFB61E32A02F517F4A1B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK Dewit don't get hasty and start throwing away stuff yet. (except the Terramyacit -- throw that stuff away it is old and wouldn't work even if it was the right kind,) You have a good idea of using just new stuff to start out with. be sure to glue all parts togther and use nails in all the fingers of the joints. and paint all exterior parts with a couple of coats of paint (do not paint inside parts) There is always one exception and that is to paint both sides of the bottom board. The menthol is used only in late fall and early spring, In Oklahoma we put it on in the fall after the highs no longer reach 80 degreese and take it off about a week before we put on the spring supers, that is well before the highs reach 80. Apistan is used in the hive to treat the other mite, it is also used when there are no supers on the hives. Do not worry about terramyacin untill next fall you should never treat a new hive. The used equipment may be just fine even if it had mites or mothes, find your local club. believe me there are many local clubs in texas, they will know what to do with the old equipment if you do not want it. (some beekeepers will take anything they can get) Finally I would suggest that you start out with just 2 hives and have fun with them untill you get comfortable with them. unless you are retired and have lots of time on your hand. P.S. durring the summer you can use some Tobacco in your smoker and it will knock the mites off the bees a sticky board on the bottom will make sure they do not get back onto the bees. This is usually used to detect wether or not you have mites but anything helps mid season when you cannot medicate. Good luck and have fun. Donald dewitt wrote: > I have a Question and a Problem. > > First the problem, I worked with my next-door neighbor last bee season > unfortunately, and sadly he died over the winter so did his hives. I'm > beginning to think I might have learned quite a few bad habits as he never > medicated for mites, and as far as I can tell he used some terramycin that > he got at the horse auction. > > His widow told me he wanted me to have his equipment so I emptied his barn > from the looks of things the only things I am planing on using is the stuff > he never put together, opened the box on or used. There is still enough to > make about seven or eight hives. I'll burn the rest. > > I hope the other poor practices I learned will be as easy to spot. > > Now the question. Menthol is used for mite protection right? I read > somewhere that it evaporates at 90 something degrees. What happens here in > Texas when it is that hot at midnight? Is there something else you use? > > I am relay looking forward to this year on my own I just hope I'll not shoot > myself in the foot too often. Or worse hurt the girls. > > Cliff > > In the Old Republic of Texas (before the nuts claimed it) --------------BAF2DFB61E32A02F517F4A1B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK Dewit  don't get hasty and start throwing away stuff yet. (except the Terramyacit -- throw that stuff away it is old and wouldn't work even if it was the right kind,)

You have a good idea of using just new stuff to start out with. be sure to glue all parts togther and use nails in all the fingers of the joints.  and paint all exterior parts with a couple of coats of paint (do not paint inside parts)  There is always one exception and that is to paint both sides of the bottom board.

The menthol is used only in late fall and early spring,  In Oklahoma we put it on in the fall after the highs no longer reach 80 degreese and take it off about a week before we put on the spring supers,  that is well before the highs reach 80.   Apistan is used in the hive to treat the other mite, it is also used when there are no supers on the hives. Do not worry about terramyacin untill next fall you should never treat a new hive.

The used equipment may be just fine even if it had mites or mothes,  find your local club. believe me there are many local clubs in texas,  they will know what to do with the old equipment if you do not want it.   (some beekeepers will take anything they can get)

Finally I would suggest that you start out with just 2 hives and have fun with them untill you get comfortable with them.  unless you are retired and have lots of time on your hand.
 

P.S.  durring the summer you can use some Tobacco in your smoker and it will knock the mites off the bees a sticky board on the bottom will make sure they do not get back onto the bees.  This is usually used to detect wether or not you have mites but anything helps mid season when you cannot medicate.

Good luck and have fun.
Donald
 
 

dewitt wrote:

I have a Question and a Problem.

First the problem, I worked with my next-door neighbor last bee season
unfortunately, and sadly he died over the winter so did his hives. I'm
beginning to think I might have learned quite a few bad habits as he never
medicated for mites, and as far as I can tell he used some terramycin  that
he got at the horse auction.

His widow told me he wanted me to have his equipment so I emptied his barn
from the looks of things the only things I am planing on using is the stuff
he never put together, opened the box on or used. There is still enough to
make about seven or eight hives. I'll burn the rest.

I hope the other poor practices I learned will be as easy to spot.

Now the question. Menthol is used for mite protection right?  I read
somewhere that it evaporates at 90 something degrees. What happens here in
Texas when it is that hot at midnight?  Is there something else you use?

I am relay looking forward to this year on my own I just hope I'll not shoot
myself in the foot too often.  Or worse hurt the girls.

Cliff

In the Old Republic of Texas (before the nuts claimed it)

--------------BAF2DFB61E32A02F517F4A1B-- From wicks@joplin.mt.us Wed Feb 3 10:34:15 EST 1999 Article: 15729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news9.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: wicks@joplin.mt.us Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need a source for bees Message-ID: <36b67b3b.42355436@news.cybercen.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.238.130 X-Trace: news9.ispnews.com 917928031 206.107.238.130 (Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:00:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:00:31 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 04:13:52 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15729 I need a source to fill up my old hives. Any suggestions Mark WICKS LAND & LIVESTOCK Mark, Beth & Hunter Wicks RR1 Joplin. MT 59531 406-292-3519 wicks@joplin.mt.us From cde049@airmail.net Wed Feb 3 10:34:16 EST 1999 Article: 15730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Menthol Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:10:39 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 28 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <795tus$82n@library.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Feb 1 22:12:12 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\O00+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15730 I have a Question and a Problem. First the problem, I worked with my next-door neighbor last bee season unfortunately, and sadly he died over the winter so did his hives. I'm beginning to think I might have learned quite a few bad habits as he never medicated for mites, and as far as I can tell he used some terramycin that he got at the horse auction. His widow told me he wanted me to have his equipment so I emptied his barn >from the looks of things the only things I am planing on using is the stuff he never put together, opened the box on or used. There is still enough to make about seven or eight hives. I'll burn the rest. I hope the other poor practices I learned will be as easy to spot. Now the question. Menthol is used for mite protection right? I read somewhere that it evaporates at 90 something degrees. What happens here in Texas when it is that hot at midnight? Is there something else you use? I am relay looking forward to this year on my own I just hope I'll not shoot myself in the foot too often. Or worse hurt the girls. Cliff In the Old Republic of Texas (before the nuts claimed it) From Barry@Birkey.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:16 EST 1999 Article: 15731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Menthol Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 00:03:10 -0600 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 23 Message-ID: <36B693A8.60E725B2@Birkey.com> References: <36B68B55.4D7F77CB@webzone.net> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.142.148 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15731 Donald Franson wrote: > joints. and paint all exterior parts with a couple of coats of paint > (do not paint inside parts) There is always one exception and that is > to paint both sides of the bottom board. The fear here is that, if you paint the inside parts of the wood too, it will last longer and the hive manufacture won't be making sales nearly as often. > is well before the highs reach 80. Apistan is used in the hive to > treat the other mite, Gee, I've never used Apistan to treat that mite, I've always used it for Varroa. ;-) -Barry -- Barry Birkey Illinios, USA -------------------------------------------- barry@birkey.com > http://www.birkey.com From amschelp@pe.net Wed Feb 3 10:34:17 EST 1999 Article: 15732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Went Bye Bye Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:35:24 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <01be464b$2493a560$a505480c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: c2p019.hem.pe.net X-Trace: market.pe.net 917937171 7049 216.100.28.119 (2 Feb 1999 06:32:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Feb 1999 06:32:51 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15732 I know, I was thinking the same thing, but my Langstroth bees swarmed away one time too. No sign of predators or disease. The combs (although I have not removed them and melted them down yet), on first examination seem to be totally fine and clean. They absconded with all honey and nectar and everything leaving just a ghost town of empty cells. Do you think a heavy disruption like tree trimming with big branches falling down all around them would make them abscond George? In article <01be464b$2493a560$a505480c@default>, gstyLer@worldnet.att.net says... > Should have kept them in a Laangstroth coop! Just kidding Peter. Any signs > of predation or disease that might ause them to abscond? > From apimo@apimo.dk Wed Feb 3 10:34:18 EST 1999 Article: 15733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I ask for bee pictures Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:30:03 +0100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <793op5$3mr6$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> References: <792c3r$j3n$1@ns1.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip97.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news-inn.inet.tele.dk 917857893 121702 (None) 195.249.242.97 (01-02-99 08:31:33 GMT) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15733 ÂÁÓÉËÅÉÏÓ skrev i meddelelsen <792c3r$j3n$1@ns1.otenet.gr>... >If you have any pictures of bees e-mail me. You can get one on my homepage it is the Scandinavian Black bee and her staff. best regards EDBI = multilingual Beekeeping software http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo http://wn.com.au/apimo http://www.apimo.dk apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From abchome@webzone.net Wed Feb 3 10:34:18 EST 1999 Article: 15734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <36B69552.E4DD0BED@webzone.net> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 00:04:03 -0600 From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again References: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.152.100.190 X-Trace: 2 Feb 1999 00:05:57 -0600, 208.152.100.190 Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 62 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!newsfeed.atl!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.1.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!wznews.webzone.net!208.152.100.190 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15734 Maybe the Y2K Bug won't all be bad. Witness the following inner office memo..... January 1, 2000 Re: Vacation Pay Dear Valued Employee: Our records indicate that you have not used any vacation time over the past 100 year(s). As I'm sure you are aware, employees are granted 3 weeks of paid leave per year or pay in lieu of time off. One additional week is granted for every 5 years of service. Please either take 9,400 days off work or notify our office and your next pay cheque will reflect payment of $8,277,432.22 which will include all pay and interest for the past 1,200 months. Sincerely, Automated Payroll Processing I enjoyed yours, hope you enjoy mine. Pollinator wrote: > We suppose we have a lot to think about with the coming of the year 2000. > How about going back 2 millinia to consider how people thought about the > approach of the year zero? > > I mean, let's face it; it must have been really scary. Will time reverse > and go forward? Will I still be right handed? Do I count from I to X, or from > X to I? Will bees fly backwards and go zzuB, zzuB, zzuB? Will the chariots > still run? What will their odometers read? Will their wheels still be round? > Will the Romans read from right to left and the Hebrews read from left to > right? > > Just consider the technological terrors of the average homeowner. Is my > sundial YZeroK compatible? Will my abacus become user surly? Will my compas > point south? Will my scribes unsubscribe? Is zero the start of the new > millenium, or is it I? What is zero, anyway? Is zero a leap year? Do you > divide it by IV or is IV divided by zero? Do marriage licenses expire? > > Math certainly got a lot more complicated. If I was born in XXIII BC, and > it's now XIV AD, hmmmmm, what age should I put on my job application? Do I add > those two numbers together, or subtract them? How about the year Zero? > > If I found a library book when I packed to move, dated II-VI-IV, but I > don't know whether it was BC or AD, how would the librarian compute my fine? > > Should we evacuate to a cave in the wilderness and plant big gardens and > store lots of food, and collect a pile of spears and swords to defend it? > > And where in the world did that bright star come from? > > Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From valkyrie@valkyrie.co.nz Wed Feb 3 10:34:19 EST 1999 Article: 15735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!aruba.odu.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!cnn.nas.nasa.gov!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!remarQ60!supernews.com!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: Adrian T Stacey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:10:15 +1300 Organization: Valkyrie Systems Ltd Lines: 7 Message-ID: <36AEF416.8F6A843F@valkyrie.co.nz> References: <19990122065319.05420.00000813@ng-fu1.aol.com> <19990122092441.03802.00001021@ng96.aol.com> <78l8ua$ba5$1@spock.tinet.ie> <36AE97BA.A864C9C1@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.chc.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; U) Cache-Post-Path: newsch.es.co.nz!unknown@p28-max4.chc.ihug.co.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15735 Bill Greenrose wrote: > not sure about a sense of irony. i used to wonder if my general ignorance and > apathy were problems and then i thought "Who knows? Who cares?" But can you iron? :) From adamf@vt.edu Wed Feb 3 10:34:19 EST 1999 Article: 15736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.ultranet.com!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Green bees?! Help! Date: 29 Jan 1999 04:41:58 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <78re6m$1fc$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19990127185302.24262.00000055@ng147.aol.com> <36B04AE3.4EF7@juno.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port13.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15736 In article <36B04AE3.4EF7@juno.com>, tomas mozer wrote: >check out the solitary bees website: > >http://www.uidaho.edu/pses/Strickler/SolitaryBees/solitary.htm > This bee sounds like an halictid. A solitary bee. There' s a picture of one on the left at: http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:20 EST 1999 Article: 15737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!aruba.odu.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fried brood?! Do people really eat this? Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jan 1999 14:08:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36AF1481.DE0D12C8@nospam.boeing.com> Message-ID: <19990127090845.11167.00003973@ng95.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15737 >urprised me with a reference to eating >fried brood. I have never heard of anyone eating bee brood. Do p > I swear, Southerners will eat anything! ;-) > The practice of consuming bee brood as well as other high protein natural foods is common practice in many jungle areas. And is included in many wilderness survival training programs. The brood can be comsumed raw, as many of the native amazon tribes consume it ( whole in the comb ) or can be shaken out into deep fat for a crispy treat, lightly seasoned, salt to taste. crunchy like pork skins. thar i has made my edcuational pitch fer the day. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:21 EST 1999 Article: 15738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!aruba.odu.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jan 1999 14:18:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36AE7AB4.5045@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19990127091800.11167.00003975@ng95.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15738 >yer eatin' fried brood when ya got crawdaddies??? > > >AL > Don't quite know if'n ya had any lately but 2 inchers ain't much of a meal. Now if'n any a ya'll down towrd Na Orlaens could sen me a mess I'd sho nuf put a hurtin on em. Our local creeks ain't got over that dang hurrican yet and as much as i love cotton mouths I just can't see fightin them in all them blowed over trees jus for a couple a short crawdads. Crawdad poor and having ta settle fer baked possum...........helpppppp Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From swienty@swienty.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:21 EST 1999 Article: 15739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!193.162.146.37!news1.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Swienty A/S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Instrumental Insemination Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:45:14 +0100 Organization: Customer at Tele Danmark Erhverv Lines: 35 Message-ID: <78sd3i$3u4$1@miri.tele.dk> References: <36ACCE49.1298C3C4@webzone.net> <78lefb$p66$1@golux.radix.net> <36B00118.8CA4F5E2@webzone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: buff-28.dia.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15739 Try www.swienty.com Donald Franson wrote in message <36B00118.8CA4F5E2@webzone.net>... >Yes I would like to see what you came up with, I have found a cheap unit >(cheap?) that Thorn sells for 375 but that is a rather crude device. I >guess it would be a good start though to get my queens bred the way I want >them. Genetics is a tricky art but with the close proximity of the >africanized honeybees I do not want my queen business to suffer. > >Found Schley's web page and Susan Cobys pages but that is about all I could >find on the net. did not hurt to ask. > >Donald > > > >Adam Finkelstein wrote: > >> In article <36ACCE49.1298C3C4@webzone.net>, >> Donald Franson wrote: >> >Does anyone know anyone with any used insemination equipment >> >for honeybees that they would be willing to sell for a >> >reasonable price?? >> > >> >> Hi. I queried the net for the same equipment a few months ago. No luck. >> If you want, I'll post what I turned up. Most definitely not used. There >> are a range prices however. >> Adam >> -- >> Adam Finkelstein >> adamf@vt.edu >> http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf > From tomasmozer@juno.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:22 EST 1999 Article: 15740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Coumaphas for GA, SC, and NC Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 03:07:46 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 4 Message-ID: <36B19682.5827@juno.com> References: <19990123195424.21440.00002179@ng-fw1.aol.com> <36ABC999.33AD@ibm.net> <01be4b0e$75c4a700$5ec92bcf@petty.negia.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 917620462 OCZ7E7JIA4803D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: petty Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15740 check often for updates: http://www.mannlakeltd.com/cuma.html From schwaller@schwaller.demon.co.uk Wed Feb 3 10:34:22 EST 1999 Article: 15741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!schwaller.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Schwaller" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Verroa Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:29:15 -0000 Message-ID: <917962157.27587.0.nnrp-02.9e983336@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 917962157 nnrp-02:27587 NO-IDENT schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 38 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15741 North Star Bond End Knaresboeough HG5 9AP Tel 01423 865387 February 1, 1999 Verroa can be overcome Verroa can be overcome, using a tincture made with green almond husks (not shells) and alcohol. So take a large screwtop jar and fill it with shredded almond husks to about half an inch from the top, then fill it with alcohol ( I use Vodka) to just cover the husks and then screw the top on. Leave for approximately one month by which time the tincture is ready to use. Strain the tincture into a clean bottle. Fix a piece of linen to the full length of the dummy board and paint the tincture onto it till the cloth is well saturated then place the dummy board behind the frames with the cloth facing the brood combs. After a month the dummy board is taken out of the brood box , retreated and then replaced back in the brood box. Having used this method for two years my hives appear to be virtually free of veroa. I leave treated dummy board in the hives throughout the year because the tincture is non toxic it therefore cannot affect the honey or the bees. P.S. The alcohol is required to extract the active principle from the husks. Vodka is used because it is odorless and economical. When I inspect the bees I always remove some of the capped drone brood, to test for veroa . I am pleased to report that the drone brood is without blemish. Take note The jar must be full of the shredded husks before you add the alcohol. Too much alcohol will make the tincture useless Shredded walnut husks can be used instead the result will be the same The article is submitted as an item of interest E. W. Schwaller From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Wed Feb 3 10:34:23 EST 1999 Article: 15742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Date: Tue, 02 Feb 99 08:07:43 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 61 Message-ID: <182D97251S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> <36B5F5B7.EB4@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!-program!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15742 There was once a COBOL programmer in the mid to late 1990s. For the sake of this story, we'll call him Jack. After years of being taken for granted and treated as a technological dinosaur by all the UNIX programmers and Client/Server programmers and website developers, Jack was finally getting some respect. He'd become a private consultant specializing in Year 2000 conversions. He was working short-term assignments for prestige companies, traveling all over the world on different assignments. He was working 70 and 80 and even 90 hour weeks, but it was worth it. Several years of this relentless, mind-numbing work had taken its toll on Jack. He had problems sleeping and began having anxiety dreams about the Year 2000. It had reached a point where even the thought of the year 2000 made him nearly violent. He must have suffered some sort of breakdown, because all he could think about was how he could avoid the year 2000 and all that came with it. Jack decided to contact a company that specialized in cryogenics. He made a deal to have himself frozen until March 15th, 2000. This was a very expensive process and totally automated. He was thrilled. The next thing he would know is he'd wake up in the year 2000; after the New Year celebrations and computer debacles; after the leap day. Nothing else to worry about except getting on with his life. He was put into his cryogenic receptacle, the technicians set the revive date, he was given injections to slow his heartbeat to a bare minimum, and that was that. The next thing that Jack saw was an enormous and very modern room filled with excited people. They were all shouting "I can't believe it!" and "It's a miracle" and "He's alive!". There were cameras (unlike any he'd ever seen) and equipment that looked like it came out of a science fiction movie. Someone who was obviously a spokesperson for the group stepped forward. Jack couldn't contain his enthusiasm. "It is over?" he asked. "Is 2000 already here? Are all the millennial parties and promotions and crises all over and done with?" The spokesman explained that there had been a problem with the programming of the timer on Jack's cryogenic receptacle, it hadn't been year 2000 compliant. It was actually eight thousand years later, not the year 2000. But the spokesman told Jack that he shouldn't get excited; someone important wanted to speak to him. Suddenly a wall-sized projection screen displayed the image of a man that looked very much like Bill Gates. This man was Prime Minister of Earth. He told Jack not to be upset. That this was a wonderful time to be alive. That there was world peace and no more starvation. That the space program had been reinstated and there were colonies on the moon and on Mars. That technology had advanced to such a degree that everyone had virtual reality interfaces which allowed them to contact anyone else on the planet, or to watch any entertainment, or to hear any music recorded anywhere. "That sounds terrific," said Jack. "But I'm curious. Why is everybody so interested in me?" "Well," said the Prime Minister. "The year 10000 is just around the corner, and it says in your files that you know COBOL." From gl4559@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:20 EST 1999 Article: 15749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.ultranet.com!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gl4559@aol.com (GL4559) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where can I buy Borax?(for Beeswax hand cream) Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Feb 1999 04:58:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990202235801.17835.00003617@ng34.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15749 Could someone give Me the name of a supplier of Borax for making Beeswax hand cream? I checked all My local drug stores and they are unable to get it. Has it all of a sudden become another banned substance? Thank You. G.Libby LibBEE@msn.com From htho@se.bel.alcatel.be Mon Feb 8 06:08:21 EST 1999 Article: 15750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!-program!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!usenet From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: russian queen bees Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:49:52 +0100 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <36AC92A0.25AEDB4A@se.bel.alcatel.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: btmw10.se.bel.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15750 Hello all, A paper on varroa tolerant Russian Queen bees by J. Raloff was published in SCIENCE NEWS ONLINE on August 8, 1998. These bees are living in Primorski (Russian Pacific Coast) and are they should be able to resist the varroa mite. Thomas E. Rinderer of the U.S. Department of Agriculture honeybee laboratory in Baton Rouge,La. has set up a breeding program with these bees in the US. Is there anybody on the web who can give me an address where I can get more information on these bees or where I can order such queens (either in the US or in Russia) ? TIA Hugo (the half-a-bee) -- Hugo Thone (VE144) | email htho@se.bel.alcatel.be | do bee do bee do ALCATEL TELECOM | phone (32) 3 240 94 52 | (\ F.Wellesplein 1 | fax (32) 3 240 99 49 | {|||8- B-2018 Antwerp | | (/ From adamf@vt.edu Mon Feb 8 06:08:22 EST 1999 Article: 15751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!feed2.nntp.acc.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa and evolution Date: 3 Feb 1999 06:00:14 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <798ole$k8b$1@golux.radix.net> References: <36B77E92.2A821811@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port4.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15751 In article <36B77E92.2A821811@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca>, Ulli Hoger wrote: >Variation allows this population to react to changing enviromental >conditions, leading eventually to subspecies or even new species within >a number of generation. Perhaps. What is the definition of "species" or "sub-species". >Beekeepers tried, and are still doing this, to reduce the mites by >cutting out capped drone brood. This created a new selection force. >Against "normal" drone prefering individuals. The number of such >individuals decreased in the population (lower reproduction rate). >Questions: Do we have in our days already a different "subspecies" of >Varroa in A. mellifera hives? Again, you need to define what you mean by "species" and "subspecies". Sounds like the management selection is driving the population toward a change. Remember, selection on populations for phenotypic differences can be rapid, but (and you again need to define it) speciation is an event that is incredibly difficult to demark and describe in "evolutionary" time. >Is cutting out drone brood still a way to >reduce, to control, or to monitor the mite population in a hive? >Shouldn't bee researchers and institutes check, if the paradigma that >Varroa prefers drone brood cells in A. mellifera is still true? Sure-- They need to be paid to do this though. Convince someone to fund this research and bang someone has an interesting research program. >This ideas change nothing at all for Varroa treatment and related >problems. But it would be interesting to see if A. mellifera already >has her very own Varroa mites (these wouldn't be able to reproduce in >the asian host species). Yes, this would be interesting to test--you could use all the "in" molecular tools too. A real "find 'em and grind 'em" research project. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From uhogerli@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Mon Feb 8 06:08:22 EST 1999 Article: 15752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user From: Ulli Hoger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa and evolution Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:39:14 -0400 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 55 Message-ID: <36B77E92.2A821811@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15752 Hi everybody, during my christmas break I had the opportunity to meet with beekeeper fellows. We discussed the current Varroa situation in Germany. Some of these guys monitor the Varroa population in their hives very seriously by counting every week the dead mites on the bottom board. They have the impression that they find less mites in capped drone brood cells than lets say 5 years ago. After treatment is was clearly that the mites are still in usual numbers in the hives. Theorie: Varroa prefers drone brood cells for reproduction. Conclusion from observation above: Not anymore? My idea: A basic mechanism of evolution is variation in a population. Variation allows this population to react to changing enviromental conditions, leading eventually to subspecies or even new species within a number of generation. What does this eventually mean to Varroa? Varroa was on the initial asian host species only able to reproduce successfully in drone cells. The capping time of worker brood was simply to short. In Apis mellifera this enviromental condition changed, the capping time of worker brood is sufficient for Varroa reproduction. "Unnormal" Varroa individuals (part of the variance) with preference for worker brood or without any preference were suddenly able to reproduce. Therefore the part of these "Unnormal" mites became bigger in the population. Beekeepers tried, and are still doing this, to reduce the mites by cutting out capped drone brood. This created a new selection force. Against "normal" drone prefering individuals. The number of such individuals decreased in the population (lower reproduction rate). Questions: Do we have in our days already a different "subspecies" of Varroa in A. mellifera hives? Is cutting out drone brood still a way to reduce, to control, or to monitor the mite population in a hive? Shouldn't bee researchers and institutes check, if the paradigma that Varroa prefers drone brood cells in A. mellifera is still true? This ideas change nothing at all for Varroa treatment and related problems. But it would be interesting to see if A. mellifera already has her very own Varroa mites (these wouldn't be able to reproduce in the asian host species). Suggestions or Comments? Looking forward to read your statements Cheers Ulli Ulli Hoger Dept Physiology & Biophysics Dalhousie University Halifax, NS Canada uhoger@tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca From snewport@pavilion.co.uk Mon Feb 8 06:08:23 EST 1999 Article: 15753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Recipe Ideas Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:14:58 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 4 Message-ID: <36b77899.9821417@news.pavilion.net> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna1-47.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 917993748 29321 194.242.139.47 (2 Feb 1999 22:15:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Feb 1999 22:15:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15753 I am after some recipe ideas for creams (hand/face/foot), salves (propolis) and lip balms. Can anybody make any suggestions please ? Thanks. From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:24 EST 1999 Article: 15754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa and evolution Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Feb 1999 23:31:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36B77E92.2A821811@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Message-ID: <19990202183147.00917.00002610@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15754 > >This ideas change nothing at all for Varroa treatment and related >problems. But it would be interesting to see if A. mellifera already >has her very own Varroa mites (these wouldn't be able to reproduce in >the asian host species). > >Suggestions or Comments? > >Looking forward to read your statements > >Cheers > >Ulli > > >Ulli Hoger >Dept Physiology & Biophysics >Dalhousie University >Halifax, NS >Canada > >uhoger@tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca I must say that in hive removals and even in my hives here in the yard, I have not noticed a significant love for drone cells, the american transplanted varroa , at least in my neck of the woods will take her brood where she can find it ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From mister-t@zzclinic.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:24 EST 1999 Article: 15755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <36B84E82.7CBF8246@zzclinic.net> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:26:26 -0500 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Recipe Ideas References: <36b77899.9821417@news.pavilion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p2-48.clinic.net X-Trace: 3 Feb 1999 08:27:46 -0500, d-p2-48.clinic.net Lines: 23 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.destek.net!d-p2-48.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15755 Check the book "Super Formulas" by Elaine White, Valley Hills Press which has loads of bees wax, honey and other craft ideas- including making mead and vinegar from honey. As far as hand cream- 4-5 oz bees wax, 1 1/3 cup water, one pint mineral oil, two tsp borax. Melt wax in oil- carefully it burns. If you heat it in a double boiler it is safer. Heat water to about 175 with borax. Add melted wax mix to water mix, stir and put into jars. You can use it for hand cream, lip salve, whatever (I have even used it on boots!). The amount of wax determines the consistancy, less wax makes it more creamy. Great stuff Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Steve Newport wrote: > > I am after some recipe ideas for creams (hand/face/foot), salves > (propolis) and lip balms. > > Can anybody make any suggestions please ? Thanks. -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. From anthony@iet.hist.no Mon Feb 8 06:08:25 EST 1999 Article: 15756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!uninett.no!not-for-mail From: Anthony N Morgan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa and evolution Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:16:30 +0100 Organization: Sor-Trondelag College, Division of Electronic Engineering Lines: 19 Message-ID: <36B84C2E.76FB8A15@iet.hist.no> References: <36B77E92.2A821811@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> <798ole$k8b$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: snipp.uninett.no 918047853 20996 158.38.51.37 (3 Feb 1999 13:17:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15756 Adam, you wrote: .......... > Again, you need to define what you mean by "species" and "subspecies". ......... OK offer us some possible definitions. Would the term "race" or "ecotype" be applicable? Again how would you define these terms? 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From abchome@webzone.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:26 EST 1999 Article: 15758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <36ACCE49.1298C3C4@webzone.net> From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Instrumental Insemination Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 4 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:04:26 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.23.10 X-Trace: WCG-Reader 917294874 205.219.23.10 (Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:07:54 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:07:54 CDT Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!WCG!WCG-Reader.POSTED!wznews.webzone.net!208.137.185.214 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15758 Does anyone know anyone with any used insemination equipment for honeybees that they would be willing to sell for a reasonable price?? From cde049@airmail.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:27 EST 1999 Article: 15759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Three Rools of Real Estate Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:45:34 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 34 Message-ID: <19AD4794D888B72B.5CC1939A1ED2555F.7D0499686BB6F14F@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <79b1nk$4vd@library2.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.iadfw.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Feb 3 20:47:17 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\OS++Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15759 they are Location ,location, and location. I am just setting up my apiary and I have the choice of two locations. They are both about 200 feet from the house, one is in an old horse stall, which will probable never be used for horses again, behind a chain link fence with 5 acres of untended weeds. It would provide guaranteed deep shade but no grass under foot. There is an old "tack" room for storage (never could bee clean enough for honey usage.) but could hold empty hives. There are fence line trees all around the building and there are no sight lines off our property, however you can not see the stalls from the house you have to go through the gate to get there. The second is along our property line in back about 150 feet from the other location (our property borders 10 plus acres of pasture cut once or twice a season . There is no human traffic on this parcel of land. It has about 50% shade from the tall trees around it grass under foot. It is in clear sight of the house, the opening of the hives would face south same as above. the hives would be right next (15 to 20 feet) to my pottery shed where I do 5 to 7 hours of work a week, but not too far from my wood burning Kiln (50 to 75 feet). the wind back there usually blows north to south and reciprocal the hives would be west of the kiln on the same line. The loft of the pottery barn could be used for storage also. there is a stock pond about 300 feet from the second location and about 450 to 500 feet from the first. We had one of the worst drought ever in north Texas last year and the pond still had water in it. Any ideas on what I haven't considered? I welcome any and all suggestions as I want to put in racks about 18 inches hi by 20 feet long to set the hives on and I don't want to dig all those holes more than once. From msimics@direct.ca Mon Feb 8 06:08:28 EST 1999 Article: 15760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsgate.direct.ca!not-for-mail From: "Michael Simics" Subject: Bee venom collection training course Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Apitronic Services Message-ID: <01be4fc0$2352d9e0$328542d8@michael> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 5 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 22:01:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.66.133.50 X-Trace: newsgate.direct.ca 918079266 216.66.133.50 (Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:01:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:01:06 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15760 Check out our web site on an upcoming bee venom collection training course at http://www.beevenom.com Michael Simics From pollinator@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:29 EST 1999 Article: 15761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Pollinators -- Free listing -- Eastern USA Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Feb 1999 07:45:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990204024551.05211.00000371@ng117.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15761 Eastern US beekeepers who are available to contract pollinate crops may be listed free of charge, in a list to be made available to growers, and others involved in pollination. To be included, please e-mail me with your name, business name, address, phone, e-mail address (or web page, if you wish), number of hives available, crops that you will pollinate, and distance you are willing to go (or states in which you can work). You will be included in the state of your address, unless you give a second address or name other states in which you can work. The list will be made available at www.pollinator.com in a couple days. We hope to expand to new areas eventually, but this is a start..... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From adameden@ipa.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:29 EST 1999 Article: 15762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "R & S Adams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Subsistute pollen patties Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 05:50:27 -0600 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 6 Message-ID: <79c1kb$1fr$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-4-178.jopl.ipa.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15762 I was wondering what the formula is to make pollen patties. I was told this was important for early brood production. I know the patties have soy flour, powdered skim milk, and something else?? Anyone know about this delicious recipe? Thanks R. Adams From beetools@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:30 EST 1999 Article: 15763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Three Rools of Real Estate Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Feb 1999 17:28:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19AD4794D888B72B.5CC1939A1ED2555F.7D0499686BB6F14F@library-proxy.airnews.net> Message-ID: <19990204122818.27794.00000706@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15763 Bees will do better if the hives get full sunlight. These are tropical animals and can handle heat. Part of the way they cool the hive in the warmest parts of the year is by drying down nectar to honey. The evaporation "runs their ari conditioing system". And, drying nectar is a activity you want to encourage anyway. Putting them in the shade will cause them to invest a lot of resources in heating the hive. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From gerhardt@mail.index.co.za Mon Feb 8 06:08:30 EST 1999 Article: 15764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!news.globix.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!iafrica.com!news.global.co.za.!not-for-mail From: "Gerhardt Fouche" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT : Agricultural products manufacturers directory Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:53:55 +0200 Organization: USKO Enterprise Networks Lines: 7 Message-ID: <79c1p1$u30$1@news.global.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.49.169.205 X-Trace: news.global.co.za 918129249 30816 206.49.169.205 (4 Feb 1999 11:54:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@global.co.za NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Feb 1999 11:54:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15764 A user-friendly directory of manufacturers of products and services related to the agricultural industry is available and useful to people within the industry. Link directly to the agricultural sector – www.expo.co.za/agriculture.html From beetools@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:31 EST 1999 Article: 15765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Subsistute pollen patties Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Feb 1999 17:38:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <79c1kb$1fr$1@news.ipa.net> Message-ID: <19990204123853.27794.00000711@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15765 There are as many recipes for pollen patties as their are beekeepers. Basically, you are trying to replace the lack of collected protein with a patty. The closer you get to real pollen the better the bee will accept it and benefit from the patties. The most basic formula (and best - but not cost-effective) is bee pollen and enough honey to make a patty. In decending order of protein quality/quanity, you can cut the pollen with brewer's yeast or soy flour. Dry milk solids do not have the right kinds of proteins for bees and contain sugars that can give the girls the runs. You can use reject honey or heated honey and a little water - or sugar syrup to make your patties. Some bee supply dealers sell bee pollen in bulk (1#, 5#, 50# bags at "affordable" prices - not health store prices). If you shop around, you can find pollen for about $5 a pound, $18 for 5#, etc., which when cut 50% with brewer's yeast make patties affordable. Good Luck Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From midnitebee@hotmail.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:32 EST 1999 Article: 15766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: update/page Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:25:13 -0500 Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.127 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.127 Message-ID: <36b9f46f.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 4 Feb 1999 14:26:39 -0500, 209.222.80.127 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!209.222.80.127 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15766 Greetings.. I have added new information:EAS 1999 and George/Tony's latest articles about the hive beetle. http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee "All my life, I always wanted to be somebody. Now I see that I should have been more specific." From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 8 06:08:33 EST 1999 Article: 15767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vac Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:06:26 +0000 Message-ID: References: <19990201062049.15531.00002631@ng30.aol.com> <695BF69D12C9EB5E.3216B54045ED8005.EA30611696A08DCE@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 918159350 nnrp-10:16773 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15767 In article <695BF69D12C9EB5E.3216B54045ED8005.EA30611696A08DCE@library- proxy.airnews.net>, dewitt writes >From The Republic of Texas. YA HOOOO!!! Being from the other side of the pond, and not sure of my Mason/dixon line, is Texas near Washington? and is YA HOOOO a zip code? -- Tom S From hutchiso@ccp.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:33 EST 1999 Article: 15768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!-program!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon02.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell & Diane Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What is best clover to plant? Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <36b9efb6.0@super> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:49:51 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.195.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon02.swbell.net 918154416 207.193.195.8 (Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:53:36 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:53:36 CDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15768 I am preparing to plant clover for my bee hives to work. I was just wondering if anyone hase any advice on which would be best, Red clover, sweet clover or something else? Would appreciate the help Lowell hutchiso@ccp.com From gl4559@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:34 EST 1999 Article: 15769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gl4559@aol.com (GL4559) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where can I buy Borax?(for Beeswax hand cream) Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Feb 1999 23:48:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36B921EF.9E002A99@webzone.net> Message-ID: <19990204184811.23800.00000006@ng144.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15769 Thanks for all the responses that You've sent Me, but I should have been more specific. What I need is sodium borate, twenty mule team borax is similar but not the same and they have additives in it also. The pharmacies used to carry it but for some strange reason they can't get it(that's why I asked if there was a lawsuit or something). Thanks again G. Libby LibBEE@msn.com From bill.greenrose@valley.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:34 EST 1999 Article: 15770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 22:10:41 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 80 Message-ID: <36B66CB0.164FE511@valley.net> References: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-225.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15770 Pollinator wrote: > We suppose we have a lot to think about with the coming of the year 2000. > How about going back 2 millinia to consider how people thought about the > approach of the year zero? > > I mean, let's face it; it must have been really scary. Will time reverse > and go forward? Will I still be right handed? Do I count from I to X, or from > X to I? Will bees fly backwards and go zzuB, zzuB, zzuB? Will the chariots > still run? What will their odometers read? Will their wheels still be round? > Will the Romans read from right to left and the Hebrews read from left to > right? > > Just consider the technological terrors of the average homeowner. Is my > sundial YZeroK compatible? Will my abacus become user surly? Will my compas > point south? Will my scribes unsubscribe? Is zero the start of the new > millenium, or is it I? What is zero, anyway? Is zero a leap year? Do you > divide it by IV or is IV divided by zero? Do marriage licenses expire? > > Math certainly got a lot more complicated. If I was born in XXIII BC, and > it's now XIV AD, hmmmmm, what age should I put on my job application? Do I add > those two numbers together, or subtract them? How about the year Zero? > > If I found a library book when I packed to move, dated II-VI-IV, but I > don't know whether it was BC or AD, how would the librarian compute my fine? > > Should we evacuate to a cave in the wilderness and plant big gardens and > store lots of food, and collect a pile of spears and swords to defend it? > > And where in the world did that bright star come from? > > Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm greetings, it seems that everyone in the world is misinformed as to the real meaning of the Y2K problem. i will spell it out: take a look at the zipper on your pants [or skirt, as the case may me]. odds are it has the letters YKK on it. that's because the YKK company manufactures the vast majority of zippers used on clothes. now, does the true meaning of the problem become clear? the problem is the Y TWO K problem. the real concern is not about computer programs [which crash all the time, anyway, regardless of the date. just ask an air traffic controller]. it is about what is going to happen to our zippers on jan 1, 2000. will they start closing down and opening up? will the teeth and gaps reverse? will the toggles switch from the right side to the left, and will we all have to become left-handed to operate them? will they stop working all together? [which could pose some real problems for people in bars celebrating new years eve by consuming large quantities of beer.] i won't even go into zipper lock plastic food bags and the potential for worldwide famine from millennial leakage and resulting food spoilage. see, the amish had it right all along. forget new fangled contraptions like zippers, which are doomed to failure. if man were meant to use zippers, then he wouldn't have been created with something in the same location that can get caught in the darn things with excruciating results. long live my 501s! i hope i have clarified the meaning and true magnitude of the problem for all. bill p.s. i considered posting this explanation, which i have not seen anywhere else, on my website, but decided that the flood of ensuing idiot email would not be worth the bother. ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:35 EST 1999 Article: 15771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is best clover to plant? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Feb 1999 03:33:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36b9efb6.0@super> Message-ID: <19990204223314.07591.00000895@ng29.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15771 >Subject: What is best clover to plant? Ladino...preferably White Dutch Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From rebecca.l.mitchell@worldnet.att.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:36 EST 1999 Article: 15772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Rebecca Mitchell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new south african beetle Date: 5 Feb 1999 03:32:36 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <79dook$f15@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.118.120 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15772 This is first message composed and I am looking for info on any ways to combat beetle. I am in SE North Carolina and they have been found in 4 counties virtually surrounding me. None yet in my 55 hives. Please help From lithar@midwest.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:36 EST 1999 Article: 15773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is best clover to plant? Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:55:38 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 11 Message-ID: <36BA79CA.4E29@midwest.net> References: <36b9efb6.0@super> <19990204223314.07591.00000895@ng29.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 918190744 .ZFUVYH4M1C2DD0EBC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15773 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >Subject: What is best clover to plant? > > Ladino...preferably White Dutch > Agreed, alsike and sweet clover are good choices too. AL From chucklaser@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:37 EST 1999 Article: 15774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where can I buy Borax?(for Beeswax hand cream) Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Feb 1999 02:46:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990204184811.23800.00000006@ng144.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990204214612.18953.00000919@ng-fa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15774 >Thanks for all the responses that You've sent Me, but I should have been more >specific. What I need is sodium borate, twenty mule team borax is similar but >not the same I'm not positive, but I think this is a pottery glaze chemical sold by ceramic supply dealers. Many forms of boric acid, borax, etc are used to mix in glazes. Check around in that area. I will check next time I get off line in my cataloges. Chuck From mtin970898@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:37 EST 1999 Article: 15775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mtin970898@aol.com (MTin970898) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted: Hive plans Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Feb 1999 07:53:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36AA661E.AA32FA1D@montana.com> Message-ID: <19990205025329.10371.00000784@ng103.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15775 Hi, in response to your question of hive plans. The latest issue of Mother Earth News (Feb / March 1999) has a section called Mother's Woodshop that has a full set of plans to build a hive & suppers. Also try your county extension agent. They should have a set of plans in the "Plan Book". Good Luck ! Tom From adamf@vt.edu Mon Feb 8 06:08:38 EST 1999 Article: 15776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed2.news.digex.net!digex!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Diatomaceous earth Date: 26 Jan 1999 22:00:01 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <78ldt1$p49$1@golux.radix.net> References: <36A896CB.9CA4A73D@nospam.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port29.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15776 In article <36A896CB.9CA4A73D@nospam.com>, Stephen & Tammy Alger <123@nospam.com> wrote: >We are considering getting bees and have been reading this newsgroup for >awhile to learn. I was wondering if anyone has ever tried using >diatomaceous earth to control mites and if it worked? > >Tammy Alger Hi. I've thought of that and with the material I work with to control insect pests on fruit (mites are a large culprit). You'd have to determine the best way to apply the dust and if it harmed any open brood. You'd also have foraging down time while everyone groomed everyone else. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:38 EST 1999 Article: 15777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news3.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36A896CB.9CA4A73D@nospam.com> <78ldt1$p49$1@golux.radix.net> Subject: Re: Diatomaceous earth Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <38xr2.349$qV6.1505@news3.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.108 X-Trace: news3.ispnews.com 917413503 209.69.69.108 (Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:05:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:05:03 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:07:21 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15777 I know this is a mineral product, not dirt per-se, but I still wouln't want it mixed into my honey or beeswax. Diatomaceous earth will kill all sorts of insects- it cuts into their joints and they dessicate- not something I would want to happen to my bees. Adam Finkelstein wrote in message <78ldt1$p49$1@golux.radix.net>... >In article <36A896CB.9CA4A73D@nospam.com>, >Stephen & Tammy Alger <123@nospam.com> wrote: >>We are considering getting bees and have been reading this newsgroup for >>awhile to learn. I was wondering if anyone has ever tried using >>diatomaceous earth to control mites and if it worked? From bill.greenrose@valley.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:39 EST 1999 Article: 15778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:36:10 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 25 Message-ID: <36AE97BA.A864C9C1@valley.net> References: <19990122065319.05420.00000813@ng-fu1.aol.com> <19990122092441.03802.00001021@ng96.aol.com> <78l8ua$ba5$1@spock.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-102.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15778 Mark Lomas wrote: > > (I hope it's not true about you Americans not having a sense of irony). > not sure about a sense of irony. i used to wonder if my general ignorance and apathy were problems and then i thought "Who knows? Who cares?" bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From adamf@vt.edu Mon Feb 8 06:08:40 EST 1999 Article: 15779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.186.110.126!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa and evolution Date: 5 Feb 1999 07:02:00 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <79e518$rcb$1@golux.radix.net> References: <36B77E92.2A821811@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> <798ole$k8b$1@golux.radix.net> <36B84C2E.76FB8A15@iet.hist.no> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port16.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15779 In article <36B84C2E.76FB8A15@iet.hist.no>, Anthony N Morgan wrote: > >OK offer us some possible definitions. >Would the term "race" or "ecotype" be applicable? >Again how would you define these terms? Hi. Since most of this subject has been articulated extremely well already I'll refer you to: Dupre, John. 1992. Species: Theoretical Contexts. In _Keywords in Evolutionary Biology_. Ed., Keller, E.F. and Lloyd, E.A.. Harvard University Press, London, England. A "who's who" in evolutionary biological essays. Basically three species concepts. Biological, Evolutionary, and Pluralistic. Biological deals with reproductive isolation and habitat--the "Mayr" definition from his _Systematics and The Origin of Species_ (write me for the citation; evolutionary deals with cladistics and numerical taxonomy and the many interpretations and variations; lastly, the pluralistic species concept, marries the two previous. Race and ecotype are fairly archaic terms. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@vt.edu Mon Feb 8 06:08:40 EST 1999 Article: 15780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!seas.smu.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!newshost.cyberramp.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!nntp.abs.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa and evolution Date: 5 Feb 1999 07:32:38 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 52 Message-ID: <79e6qm$rfm$1@golux.radix.net> References: <36B77E92.2A821811@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> <798ole$k8b$1@golux.radix.net> <36B878A8.90F6E9A8@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port16.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15780 In article <36B878A8.90F6E9A8@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca>, Ulli Hoger wrote: >Under the point of view in my first posting it doesn't realy matter how >you define species. >Let's talk about clearly different populations. If they are already >subspecies or even species shouldn't be the point here. I don't quite follow you here (above text). You state that the definition of species doesn't really matter when describing the varroa data/descriptions the beekeepers are describing, yet you then describe them using a term (subspecies) that is denotativley derived from the one specific definition of species. This is confusing to me. Please explain. ( I replied to your post --my text) >> Again, you need to define what you mean by "species" and "subspecies". >> Sounds like the management selection is driving the population toward a >> change. Remember, selection on populations for phenotypic differences can >> be rapid, but (and you again need to define it) speciation is an event that >> is incredibly difficult to demark and describe in "evolutionary" time. (and you answered) >How long is evolutionary time? I think the at least 20 years with at >least 6-7 generations per year, combined with the unique reproduction >biology of Varroa is probably sufficient time for distinguishable >populations. You think? Demarking evolutionary time is extremely difficult. Perhaps the change you notice in the populations is only one of several thousand fluctuations these populations exhibit? If you ground up these mites and compared them to other mites, (mol. comparison) would you notice any differences? If you took these mites, and were somehow able to introduce them into a different geographical area, and record their life-history, comparing it to the Varroa that was there first, would you notice differences? Sure. So which population is the "sub" of the other? Population perception is extremely hard to conceptualize. To use species terminology ("sub-species" or "race") in describing variations in a population, limits the describer to a narrow frame of reference. If one is comfortable to say that there has been selected a new race, or breed, or ecotype or sub-species of Varroa mite via honey bee management, in a given geographical area, good: do it. However, when you then try to theoretically test if this set of individuals is indeed a subset of a larger set, the terminology impedes the testing. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Feb 8 06:08:41 EST 1999 Article: 15781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is best clover to plant? Date: Fri, 05 Feb 99 08:05:00 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <182DC71AFS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <36b9efb6.0@super> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.BSDI.COM!uunet!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!nntp.giganews.com!solomon.io.com!news-feeds.jump.net!den-news-01.qwest.net!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15781 In article <36b9efb6.0@super> "Lowell & Diane Hutchison" writes: > (Best type of clover to plant?) If you're going to the trouble I'd suggest a mixture. In these parts (upstate NY) yellow blooms a few weeks earlier than white. Add in dutch and you give the bees a nice smorgasbord. However you really should check your soil first to see if it's worth you trouble. I think clover only produces well on an alkali soil (although I may have this backwards). Dave Green could set this straight. Finally, unless you're planting a large quantity of clover you probably won't be giving your bees sufficient forage to much impact your harvest. You may be better off just leavin' things to mother nature. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:41 EST 1999 Article: 15782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new south african beetle Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Feb 1999 14:06:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <79dook$f15@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <19990205090614.02379.00001059@ng100.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15782 >I am in SE North Carolina and they have been found in 4 http://www.mannlakeltd.com/cuma.html NC still has not recieved sectionm 18 yet but hope to w/in 2 wks. the above is a good place to start Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From wcavender@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:42 EST 1999 Article: 15783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.BSDI.COM!uunet!lax.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wcavender@aol.com (WCavender) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New mite treatments Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Feb 1999 14:35:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990205093510.27724.00001165@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15783 See http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-02/04/102l-020499-idx.html for a new treatment From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:43 EST 1999 Article: 15784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990204184811.23800.00000006@ng144.aol.com> <19990204214612.18953.00000919@ng-fa1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Where can I buy Borax?(for Beeswax hand cream) Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <0wFu2.25$vK5.209@news13.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.142 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 918234236 209.69.69.142 (Fri, 05 Feb 1999 12:03:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 12:03:56 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:04:57 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15784 Try a Taxedermy supply catalog- I think it is also used as part of preserving hides. Ellen From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Feb 8 06:08:43 EST 1999 Article: 15785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New mite treatments Date: Fri, 05 Feb 99 10:01:26 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <182DC8CF9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19990205093510.27724.00001165@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!den-news-01.qwest.net!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15785 In article <19990205093510.27724.00001165@ng-ft1.aol.com> wcavender@aol.com (WCavender) writes: > >See > >http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-02/04/102l-020499-idx.html >for a new treatment There's nothing new here. Gel formic from Betterbee in Greenwich, N.Y. Possibly available this year. Shim's been promising it's release for years. Believe it when you see it. Yesterday's news. Russian bees, possibly mite resistent, possibly available next year. Again, yesterday's news. Aaron Morris - thinking it's gotta be new to be news! From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 8 06:08:44 EST 1999 Article: 15786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Treatment with Oxalic Acid Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 21:47:19 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 50 Message-ID: <79fov0$8ai$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-23.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 918251296 8530 62.136.10.151 (5 Feb 1999 21:48:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Feb 1999 21:48:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15786 Does anyone have experience of treatment with oxalic acid? I understand that beekeepers in Germany are having great success and have started tests myself. The usual method given is to spray combs with a 3% solution - but this is not very user friendly for beekeepers given the toxicity of oxalic acid (you need full respirator protection - NOT just a dust mask). A new method that I heard of last year (personal communication) is to use a solution made to the following formula: oxalic acid dihydrate 60 grams sugar 300 grams water 1 litre The dosage is 50 ml dribbled over the seams of bees (a kitchen baster is useful for this - I bought a cheap plastic one for £1-50 - but do not use it in the kitchen afterwards!). Treatment should be done in the autumn, preferably when there is little brood, and can be repeated after a couple of weeks. The theory is that the bees ingest the syrup and this kills the mites; the oxalic acid is then voided outside the hive leaving no contamination of honey or wax. Clearly, you would not want to treat in the spring as there would be a possibility of the syrup being stored. Using fondant as a winter feed, my wife and I were able to feed colonies and treat them with the oxalic acid syrup at the same time - we managed 90 colonies on about a dozen sites in around 8 hours. Results so far look good - for example, an initial mite fall of about 500 in the first 24 hours dropped to around 1 per week after 3 weeks. Cost is extremely low - just a few pence per colony (I bought 500g of oxalic acid for £4.95). It is important to appreciate the toxicity of oxalic acid especially in its crystalline form - rubber gloves are essential and it is critically important that you do not breathe in any particles of dust as irreversible kidney damage can occur. Does anyone have any further information or comments? Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk From lithar@midwest.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:45 EST 1999 Article: 15787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 17:25:10 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 30 Message-ID: <36BB7DD6.5EBF@midwest.net> References: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> <36B5F5B7.EB4@povn.com> <79fhqq$bco$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.12.84 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 918257320 .ZFUVYH4MC 54D0EBC usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15787 > (Perhaps this "expert" knows full well the implications of y2k > and is making preparations of his own - as are hundreds of programmers and > others in the know - maybe he just didn't want to alert the public on > nationwide TV until his own contingency plans were in order.) > > En agape, > > Zach Anderson [ zma@rocketmail.com ] Well there ya go Zach. I suppose next you'll be spillin' the java beans on the secret mountain location where all of us programmers have agreed to meet and hole up until after 1/1/00 snuffs out civilization as we know it. Yeah, and if you keep on, you'll give away the supersecret plan we programmers have to come out of hiding to claim our rightful place as masters of humanity's remains. Oh, don't worry - I'm not giving away the exact date but if anyone happens to remember Seymore Cray's birth date... Bertrand Russell once commented on observing elephants stampede upon seeing an airplane for the first time. Owing to the fact there were no journalist present, the stampede subsided when the plane was gone. AL From ad387@hwcn.org Mon Feb 8 06:08:45 EST 1999 Article: 15788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!utnut!hone!informer1.cis.McMaster.CA!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees on Country Canada CBC TV Wednesday February 17,1999 7:30 pm Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:31:04 -0500 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <79csi5$l7j$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.203 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15788 Hi, For those who have access to Canada's national broadcaster the following may be of interest: Country Canada Wednesday Feb. 17 7:30 PM Country Canada "Canadian beekeepers and scientissts(sic) are frantically searching for an antidote to a virus that threatens to wipe out the domesticated bee population, ruin crops that require bees for fertilization and damage the food chain. " From hensler@povn.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:46 EST 1999 Article: 15789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is best clover to plant? Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:50:09 -0800 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 24 Message-ID: <36BB83B0.2868@povn.com> References: <36b9efb6.0@super> <79fmit$8vf$1@news.ipa.net> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp172.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15789 R & S Adams wrote: > > If your going to plant clover, where clover has never been grown before, > you have to put down lime first. Yo R & S: The above advice could be a colossal waste of both time and money if you don't do a soil test first. I'm sure what you meant to say was that the PH of your soil *may* need to be adjusted for clover to produce an optimum crop. To merely dump lime on your soil with the expection of creating the best seed bed possible for clover could very well do more harm than good. First rule of growing *any* plant; know it's soil requirements and then get a soil test. Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From adameden@ipa.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:47 EST 1999 Article: 15790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "R & S Adams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is best clover to plant? Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:07:17 -0600 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 19 Message-ID: <79fmit$8vf$1@news.ipa.net> References: <36b9efb6.0@super> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-4-127.jopl.ipa.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15790 If your going to plant clover, where clover has never been grown before, you have to put down lime first. Lowell & Diane Hutchison wrote in message <36b9efb6.0@super>... >I am preparing to plant clover for my bee hives to work. I was just >wondering if anyone hase any advice on which would be best, Red clover, >sweet clover or something else? > >Would appreciate the help > >Lowell >hutchiso@ccp.com > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:47 EST 1999 Article: 15791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Feb 1999 03:24:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36BB7DD6.5EBF@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19990205222448.17897.00000245@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15791 >the java beans >on the secret mountain location where all of us programmers have agreed >to meet and hole up u I ain't so sure that i'm gonna be too worried but i aint gonna stand @ wit my butt up my rear either while a bunch a starving idiots try an raid my garden.. Jus use some common sense, most folks is usually better safe that sorry. Then theres some that go way over board. anyways last time i looked, forest varmits thats good ta eat don't use computers. Please note the above statement is not a invite for hordes of starving yankees to descend on my doorstoop if'n the worst does happen...course i reckon the dogs and cats is gonna need food too. so on second thought ya'll come ya hear ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From lithar@midwest.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:48 EST 1999 Article: 15792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!torn!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is best clover to plant? Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 21:35:05 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 25 Message-ID: <36BBB869.3EF5@midwest.net> References: <36b9efb6.0@super> <79fmit$8vf$1@news.ipa.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 918272318 .ZFUVYH4M1C21D0EBC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15792 rick wrote: > > A question. Is there a clover variety that thrives in acid clay soil? Alsike clover is believed native to northern Europe. It was introduced into the United States about 1839 and is now mainly grown in states bordering on the Great Lakes, in northerrn California and in Oregon. Its special merit is its adaptation to wet soils, even tolerating some flooding. It is more tolerant to both acid and alkaline soils than other clovers. The stems are quite slender, up to 3 feet long, and tend to be prostrate except in dense stands. The trifoliate leaves are long stemmed with obovate leaflets. Flower heads are not at the terminal of the main stem but are at the terminals of branch stems. They are white or pink in color. Both stems and leaves are smooth. Alsike clover is valuable both for pasture and hay on soils too wet or too acid for other clovers. Hope this helps... AL From wade@fisherhoney.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:49 EST 1999 Article: 15793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.new-york.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed3.news.digex.net!digex!news.innet.com!not-for-mail From: "Fl New Groups" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Reward - $5000. Theft of bees ! Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:23:24 -0200 Organization: Internet Network Corp Lines: 30 Message-ID: <79g8tl$c6m$1@news.innet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zhill-135.innet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15793 From: Fisher Bee Farm 800-736-6205 RE: Stolen Bees in FL - Reward $5000 300 Colonies of bees on 6-way pallets were stolen sometime around the 14th of January between Lakeland Fl and Dade city Fl. A Reward of $5000. is offered to information leading to the recovery of these colonies. All colonies were 9 5/8 depth mostly branded "DYSON" and "BROOKS" Painted variety of colors and some not painted at all. All covers are flat plywood with a feed hole in the middle. Any information or leads would be greatly appreciated. wade@fisherhoney.com From Malley@netdoor.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:49 EST 1999 Article: 15794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.137.128.19!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Robert Malley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <917962157.27587.0.nnrp-02.9e983336@news.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Verroa Lines: 52 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:31:13 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.149.107 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 918167722 208.137.149.107 (Thu, 04 Feb 1999 16:35:22 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 16:35:22 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15794 Very interesting and I do think you for the information. But do you have any Idea were I may get my hand on the green almond husks or Walnut husk. Here in Mississippi. I would love to try it. So would a friend of mine. Thanks Robert Schwaller wrote in message <917962157.27587.0.nnrp-02.9e983336@news.demon.co.uk>... >North Star >Bond End >Knaresboeough >HG5 9AP >Tel 01423 865387 >February 1, 1999 >Verroa can be overcome > >Verroa can be overcome, using a tincture made with green almond husks (not >shells) and alcohol. >So take a large screwtop jar and fill it with shredded almond husks to about >half an inch from the top, then fill it with alcohol ( I use Vodka) to just >cover the husks and then screw the top on. >Leave for approximately one month by which time the tincture is ready to >use. Strain the tincture into a clean bottle. >Fix a piece of linen to the full length of the dummy board and paint the >tincture onto it till the cloth is well saturated then place the dummy board >behind the frames with the cloth facing the brood combs. >After a month the dummy board is taken out of the brood box , retreated and >then replaced back in the brood box. >Having used this method for two years my hives appear to be virtually free >of veroa. >I leave treated dummy board in the hives throughout the year because the >tincture is non toxic it therefore cannot affect the honey or the bees. >P.S. The alcohol is required to extract the active principle from the husks. >Vodka is used because it is odorless and economical. >When I inspect the bees I always remove some of the capped drone brood, to >test for veroa . I am pleased to report that the drone brood is without >blemish. >Take note >The jar must be full of the shredded husks before you add the alcohol. Too >much alcohol will make the tincture useless >Shredded walnut husks can be used instead the result will be the same >The article is submitted as an item of interest >E. W. Schwaller > > > From cde049@airmail.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:50 EST 1999 Article: 15795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 06:32:07 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 45 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <79hcrh$7ud@library3.airnews.net> References: <36BB7DD6.5EBF@midwest.net> <19990205222448.17897.00000245@ng-fx1.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library3 NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Feb 6 06:33:54 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\O_:+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15795 > >I ain't so sure that i'm gonna be too worried but i aint gonna stand @ wit my >butt up my rear either while a bunch a starving idiots try an raid my garden.. Effen mos folk lik da wons I work wid. daa woodnt kno ta "raid ya garden" . Da neber seed food in da wild. Ef it don kom from da food star, it hant vitles. Daid go rit on by da karoots, turnups, hounions and 'taters 'cas da neber seed dem. Den day wudnt et the kabbag or brokly 'cas et don't look rite. >anyways last time i looked, forest varmits thats good ta eat don't use >computers. Da woodn nod da fist tin abt skinnin an cuttn no "farest varmits" and they think I'm strange. To paraphrase Aunty Mame '...Life is a food store and most poor S.O.B. are starving to death." Then they make fun of the ones who do know how to take care of themselves. "Why do you do that ? It's too much work". "You keep What? Don't you get stung? " " I had wild live in my back yard once but I had the dog catcher come and get it. " "How could you kill and eat that!" 'My grandmother use to do that. It's soooo cute." > >Please note the above statement is not a invite for hordes of starving yankees >to descend on my doorstoop if'n the worst does happen...course i reckon the >dogs and cats is gonna need food too. Da shame of it is almost everyone I work with call them selves Native Texans. Bud I don think it is a Yankee / son of the South issue it is High falooting city folk in their Lexus, Lincoln, and Range Rover SUV's Who spend more money on things that show than time on things that matter. Against those with curiosity and the desire to live in harmony with nature. My dog's got more pride and sense than to Et one ob dem. Cliff >From the Republic of Texas ( before the nuts took over.) 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From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:51 EST 1999 Article: 15797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36b77899.9821417@news.pavilion.net> Subject: Re: Recipe Ideas Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <3QXt2.25$w62.116@news13.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.107 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 918047103 209.69.69.107 (Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:05:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:05:03 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:07:29 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15797 Try this website http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/elaine2.html Good recipies for soapmaking, skin cream, lipgloss, polish, etc. Ellen From uhogerli@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Mon Feb 8 06:08:52 EST 1999 Article: 15798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user From: Ulli Hoger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa and evolution Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:26:16 -0400 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 33 Message-ID: <36B878A8.90F6E9A8@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> References: <36B77E92.2A821811@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> <798ole$k8b$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15798 In reply to Adam Finkelstein: > > > Perhaps. What is the definition of "species" or "sub-species". There are so many definitions, depending on the point of view or your philosophy. There is the problem. The definition depends in our days also on the tools you use. Molecular biology will see species were other methods fail and vice versa. Darwin's or Mayer's definitions (even at least Mayer gave more than one) are not suitable in this particuar case. Under the point of view in my first posting it doesn't realy matter how you define species. Let's talk about clearly different populations. If they are already subspecies or even species shouldn't be the point here. > Again, you need to define what you mean by "species" and "subspecies". > Sounds like the management selection is driving the population toward a > change. Remember, selection on populations for phenotypic differences can > be rapid, but (and you again need to define it) speciation is an event that > is incredibly difficult to demark and describe in "evolutionary" time. > How long is evolutionary time? I think the at least 20 years with at least 6-7 generations per year, combined with the unique reproduction biology of Varroa is probably sufficient time for distinguishable populations. Cheers Ulli From hutchiso@ccp.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:52 EST 1999 Article: 15799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon02.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell & Diane Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <788jll$8gp$1@news.ipa.net> Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <36b8ed98.0@super> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:28:22 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.195.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon02.swbell.net 918088776 207.193.195.8 (Wed, 03 Feb 1999 18:39:36 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 18:39:36 CDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15799 Hope this helps. The buckfast queen is carrying all of the sperm from breeding when you get her that she will use in her entire life. If she met with only buckfast drones then you will get pure buckfast offspring as long as she lives. You don't have to worry about other hives around unless you try to raise your own buckfast queens. Then you might have the problem that she would mate with some of the other varities and not lay pure buckfast eggs. I also found out just reciently that the queen stores the sperm from each male seperately so it is possible that the same queen could lay eggs that were pure and some that were half breeds. Hope this helps. By the way I'm in St. Joseph and have 3 hives of Buckfast and two more coming to go with 5 other breeds. can't wait to see how they do this year. Lowell hutchiso@ccp.com R & S Adams wrote in message <788jll$8gp$1@news.ipa.net>... >After reading about the buckfast bees and high honey production. I was >wondering if a person got a colony of buckfast, would you have to keep them >isolated from italians (which I have now), so they would not crossbreed? >How do you over a period of time keep the buckfast pure? > > > R Adams, Joplin MO. > I bee, therefore I am. > > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 8 06:08:53 EST 1999 Article: 15800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in2.uu.net!nntp.ntr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 20:52:52 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <79ia5b$pn3$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <918321292@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-120.beryllium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 918334443 26339 62.136.1.248 (6 Feb 1999 20:54:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Feb 1999 20:54:03 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15800 See my message of yesterday! Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Steven Turner wrote in message <918321292@zbee.com>... >Has anybody used Oxalic acid for treatment of Varroa? From PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Tue Feb 9 16:32:16 EST 1999 Article: 15801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Date: 7 Feb 1999 02:18:23 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <79it5f$t3q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> <36B5F5B7.EB4@povn.com> <79fhqq$bco$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.97.8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15801 My bees are all Y2K compliant. I expect them to work just fine in the year 2000. After all they have been programmed by a fine programmer who has foresight unlike Microsoft. Pete >> snip . From jan.kola@iol.cz Tue Feb 9 16:32:16 EST 1999 Article: 15802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!argo.telecom.cz!not-for-mail From: "Jan Kola" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Good nutrition for bees a lot honey Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:14:57 +0100 Organization: Nextel Lines: 19 Message-ID: <79ka4f$jo8$1@argo.telecom.cz> NNTP-Posting-Host: as2-47.ostrava.iol.cz X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15802 I like nature and I am examinating it from my childernhood.In my gerden I like Ribes aureum or Ribes Odoratum/Buffalo curant, it flowers very early, than cornelcherries /Cornus mas/, than saskatoonberries /Amelanchier sp./ plums,cherries,sour cherries, various raspberries and blackberries and many other bushes, trees and lianas.Nearby there is park, where there are various limes /Tilia sp./ coming from asia,america, europa. Every specie flowers in different time.Bees like it a loot.They have food from it for several weeks.The same it is with acacias coming from USA. Some species flower early, some late. And still one important specie: Actinidia arguta, but only male plant. It flowers in time between main acacia and native lime, and there is noice from bees like it is swarming. It brings pretty food probably polin. jan.kola @iol.cz Between those very early flowering I have still Lonicera species, bringing also very good fruit.And most late flowering:Caryopteris bushes.Jan Kola, Ostrava, Jasmínová 1616, post code70800 ,Czech Republic. Most of this bushes gives also good fruit. From zma@my-dejanews.com Tue Feb 9 16:32:17 EST 1999 Article: 15803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: zma@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 19:46:37 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 44 Message-ID: <79fhqq$bco$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> <36B5F5B7.EB4@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.80.105.175 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Feb 05 19:46:37 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x14.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.80.105.175 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15803 In article <36B5F5B7.EB4@povn.com>, hensler@povn.com wrote: > Yo All: > > A few weeks back "60 Minutes" did a segment on Y2K and an "expert" who > they interviewed on the subject commented that "On Sat. morning, Jan. 1, > 2000 we are going to wake up and some things won't work." > > So what's the big deal - I've had that problem for years. :-) > > Skip > Skip, The big deal with y2k is that some of the things that won't work are essential to life - such as the railroading, trucking, and banking industries which are all vital to getting food to grocers. I've been studying y2k now for over 2 years and, having done a fair amount of programming myself, I can tell you things do not look good. I've prepared a website to explain how y2k will impact our fragile world system. It's at: http://geocities.com/area51/vault/1157/y2k.htm Do your homework and check this thing out. Then go without food for 24 hours and decide whether you want to risk not preparing for you and your loved ones. When all is said and done, it would be better to err on the side of caution than to suffer hunger because some "expert" made light of a life-threatening issue on TV. (Perhaps this "expert" knows full well the implications of y2k and is making preparations of his own - as are hundreds of programmers and others in the know - maybe he just didn't want to alert the public on nationwide TV until his own contingency plans were in order.) En agape, Zach Anderson [ zma@rocketmail.com ] -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From beetools@aol.com Tue Feb 9 16:32:18 EST 1999 Article: 15804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medication? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Feb 1999 17:23:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <79amgm$llv$1@news.campus.mci.net> Message-ID: <19990204122343.27794.00000704@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15804 If you get your package(s) from a reputable supplier, you should not have to treat your bees until early Fall (August in most areas). How big a problem are the mites? If you do not stay on top of a treatment program, your bees will die. You may get lucky and skip a treatment cycle or two, but the mites are "the house" and you should never bet agains the house in the long run - it's a loosing proposition. Welcome back and good luck, Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From NHJV32A@prodigy.com Tue Feb 9 16:32:18 EST 1999 Article: 15805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!-program!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: NHJV32A@prodigy.com (Bill Hughes jr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Short Course in Memphis Date: 6 Feb 1999 02:27:24 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-ID: <79g9ac$4o4q$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Post-Time: 6 Feb 1999 02:27:24 GMT X-Auth-User: 000000000/3171e5c834485d04 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15805 Date: Saturday Febuary 13th Time: 9:00AM to 4:00PM Location: UT Agricultural Extension Office 5565 Shelby Oaks Drive Memphis, Tennessee Fee: $10.00 This is a great course for beginner beekeepers as well as a good refresher course for experienced beekeepers. The fee covers the course materials as well as partial club dues for new mwmbers. This is the 34th year that the Memphis Area Beekeepers Association as put on this short course. Topics to be covered include beginner, intermediate and advanced beekeeping; hive management; equipment; disease control; honey harvesting, marketing and packageing. New beekeepers or aspiring beekeepers that have not attended a previous shor course will be eligible to win a complete ive (bees not included) to be given away at the completion of the course. From hensler@povn.com Tue Feb 9 16:32:19 EST 1999 Article: 15806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is best clover to plant? Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 18:48:45 -0800 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 22 Message-ID: <36BBAD8C.3B83@povn.com> References: <36b9efb6.0@super> <79fmit$8vf$1@news.ipa.net> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp229.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15806 rick wrote: > > A question. Is there a clover variety that thrives in acid clay soil? Yo Rick: Sorry, I meant to include this URL in my original post but, due to an advanced stage of CRS (Can't Remember Stuff) I forgot it. Check it out, it will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about pastures, and then some. If, by some strange quirk of fate, it doesn't cover what you want to know, give your local extension agent a call. http://www.connix.com/~mlfarm/rural/pasture.html Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From lithar@midwest.net Tue Feb 9 16:32:19 EST 1999 Article: 15807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 21:28:01 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 12 Message-ID: <36BBB6C1.1EF3@midwest.net> References: <36BB7DD6.5EBF@midwest.net> <19990205222448.17897.00000245@ng-fx1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 918271891 .ZFUVYH4M1C21D0EBC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15807 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > I ain't so sure that i'm gonna be too worried but i aint gonna stand @ wit my > butt up my rear either while a bunch a starving idiots try an raid my garden.. It'll be the middle of winter Kev - what kinda garden do you have growin' that time of year??? AL From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Tue Feb 9 16:32:20 EST 1999 Article: 15808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: creamed honey Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 16:15:38 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <36BCDA07.892738E5@snet.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 7 Feb 1999 16:12:46 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Feb 7 08:15:16 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 17 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-004txdallp330.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <36bebb51.3320589@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15808 "J.Lamothe" wrote: >I want to make creamed honey for sale. (both regular and some flavored) >Can anyone point me to some directions to do this? >http://members.tripod.com/~lamothes_sugar_house/index.html The book titled "The Hive and the Honey Bee" published by Dadant (www.dadant.com) includes a description of how to make creamed honey. -John P.s.: Nice sugar house web site! John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Tue Feb 9 16:32:21 EST 1999 Article: 15809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news4.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36BE6F18.E3966C3A@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Weights and measures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 04:56:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-214-72-189.atl.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 23:56:36 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15809 Can anyone tell me how much an average gallon of honey would weigh in pounds?? Thanks David cdlynes@bellsouth.net From lithar@midwest.net Tue Feb 9 16:32:21 EST 1999 Article: 15810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: oooops Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 22:50:52 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 16 Message-ID: <36BE6D2C.614A@midwest.net> References: <36BDDDE2.E8B1A4FA@midtown.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 918449678 .ZFUVYH4M1C29D0EBC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15810 Jerry Kimbro wrote: > > I made a small little error that I'm hoping someone can help me with. > > In heating my little makeshift honey room,,,During an extraction, I got > a little too zealous with the heating and it liquefied the wax as well > as the honey. Now I've got a mess. Any way to separate the honey from > the melted wax? Thanks Doesn't wax melt somewhere around 100 degF? That was one toasty room! It seems like the wax and honey should separate when things cool down and a run through a screen/filter would remove the wax. AL From jondrain@southnet.co.nz Thu Feb 18 06:12:55 EST 1999 Article: 15863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!203.97.37.7!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz!mulder!s11-ts2-in.southnet.co.nz From: "John Drain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Capping Of Honey. Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <36c60427.0@mulder> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:49:49 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.97.86.3 X-Trace: news.clear.net.nz 918949976 203.97.86.3 (Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:52:56 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:52:56 NZDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15863 we are just new to bee keeping, have 6 hives. It is right in the middle of the honey flow here in new zealand. each hive has at least 3 honey supers on it. 2 hives have 6 on it. they all have honey in them, with the last supers put on almost fill too. But as for them capping the honey. they seem all over the place. 1/ do the bees cap there honey in any order? 2/ am i incouraging them not to cap ther honey properly buy putting more supers on ? The reason i ask this is because they are capping honey all over the place. not finishing one frame and moving on to the next as i feel they should do. so if you could help me, please do so at the below address. john. jondrain@southnet.co.nz From malka@webnet.com.ar Thu Feb 18 06:12:56 EST 1999 Article: 15864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: malka@webnet.com.ar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MALKA Queens - Available Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:31:27 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7a4ufv$2pm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.10.101.76 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Feb 13 22:31:27 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x11.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 200.10.101.76 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15864 Malka Cabania Apicola is a queen rearing and package bee company located in the province of Buenos Aires (Argentina - South America). As you probably know, Argentina has become the world largest exporter of honey in 1997 shipping over 69,000 Tns of honey. We surpassed China by 21,000 Tns. We are very proud to be part of this success. Our queen bees are in part responsible of these record honey crops. We ship many queens to most locations in Argentina and have started to export our MALKA Queens to southern France. We produce four strains of queen bees: 1) Italian. 2) Hybrid 1: Cecropia x Italian 3) Hybrid 2: Macedonica x Italian 4) Hybrid 3: Caucasica x Italian Our hybrids show a high degree of hetherosis. Hetherosis (known also as hybrid vigour)is a wonderful tool if your aim is to produce very large crops of honey. We have availability for shipping mated queens from mid-October until beginning of April. Our location in the Southern Hemisphere makes possible to offer WELL BRED and WELL MATED queens to meet the demand of Northern Hemisphere beekeepers who need VERY EARLY queens. The minimun quantity we can ship is 100 queens. Looking forward to hearing from you soon. With best regards, Martin Braunstein Queen Breeder & Exporter Criador de Reinas y Exportador Malka Cabania Apicola e-mail: malka@webnet.com.ar Phone (54+11)4446-8350 Fax (54+322)487564 -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From chenness@sfu.ca Thu Feb 18 06:12:57 EST 1999 Article: 15865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Craig Hennessey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 16:41:59 -0800 Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc4s39.intergate.bc.ca Message-ID: <36c61ab6.0@carrera.intergate.ca> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.vphos.net!carrera.intergate.ca!tc4s39.intergate.bc.ca Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15865 Dang it. My bees are dead. Boo hoo hoo! They made it so far, I started my first hive last spring, they were so strong, they lasted all winter, and they've died. We had a cold snap two days ago, here in Vancouver area. Musta killed them. They have wings and look in good shape. Looked like they're gearing up for the spring when the cold spell froze them to the spot. Poor poor bees, they lasted all winter to die now. That kind of sucks. And it's my only hive so I'm out of stinking bees! I had seen an article in my school newspaper (SFU) and some lady was giving away some mason bees she had done research on, so I asked her for some and she said yes. So maybe I'll have to go with mason bees. Oh well, that's life I suppose. From kas136@aol.com Thu Feb 18 06:12:57 EST 1999 Article: 15866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kas136@aol.com (KAS136) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Using old hive bodies?/ How much to pay for used bodies/ supers? Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Feb 1999 00:52:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990213195258.05719.00000932@ng63.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15866 never pay more than 50% 0f retail for good used equipment . the last time i bought used equipment i worked a deal on everything good,bad,junk. at .50 per box. most beekeeperers save everything but when they want to sell want it all gone. you can be sure will develope foulbrood no mater hou careful yuo are. have fun. From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Feb 18 06:12:58 EST 1999 Article: 15867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MALKA Queens - Available Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:30:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7a4ufv$2pm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19990213183001.08076.00001228@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15867 >know, Argentina has become the world largest exporter of honey in 1997 >shipping over 69,000 Tns of honey. We surpassed China by 21,000 Tns. > >We ship many queens to most locations >in Argentina and have started to export ou I'm very sorry sir but due to the fact that your honey has almost put most of us out of business, I wouldn't have one a your queens if ya gave it to me ! My hives may die but at least they'll die with MADE IN THE USA on their honey jars !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From chris@mail.sunlink.net Thu Feb 18 06:12:59 EST 1999 Article: 15868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news5.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "chris heffner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need help please Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.170.188.175 X-Trace: news5.ispnews.com 918968165 204.170.188.175 (Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:56:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:56:05 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:51:04 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15868 I just started keeping bees this past spring. I live in Central Pennsylvania. I bought 1 4 frame Nuc. All seemed to be well this year. The bees didn't put up any surplus. They probably had appx. 50-70 pounds of honey between the 2 brood chambers in Oct-Nov. The winter hasn't been too severe. I am very new at determining Varroa levels. The first I was able to determine it's presence was on the mesh bag of a Menthol treatment this fall. The hive was treated according to instructions on Apistan package in spring and fall. I am seeing varroa on the outer portion of the bottom board not alot, maybe a half dozen or so without scouring the debris. The amount of bees dying appears to be dropping off some and when you give a knock on the hive side there is a diminished buzzing sound. I am trying to determine if this is natural or are they possibly afflicted by disease to the extent that I may lose them. I have yet to experience a full winter with bees. Any help or advice would be most appreciated. Please respond to varroa@hotmail.com C_Heffner From pascal66@globetrotter.net Thu Feb 18 06:12:59 EST 1999 Article: 15869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.quebectel.com!news.quebectel.com!not-for-mail From: pf Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pest & disease identification Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:16:20 -0500 Organization: GlobeTrotter Lines: 13 Message-ID: <36C615D3.985429F3@globetrotter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-22.f3202.quebectel.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15869 hello! I' m new to beekeeping and I try to manage 8 hives in Quebec. Thanks to the reverse effect of "El Nino", my first wintering is not too cold. I'm looking for place to download some pictures of pests & disease so I could identify them. Book's references will be appreciate too. I died last summer by finding an unidentified larva on the ventilation screen of one of my hives. A heart attack later I must confess it was a fly larva (my hives stay near cows and I don't know if it's really a good idea). thank's for uour answers. From kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Thu Feb 18 06:13:00 EST 1999 Article: 15870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: creamed honey Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:03:16 GMT Organization: Or Chaos: You Choose Message-ID: <36c2a506.566088@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <36BCDA07.892738E5@snet.net> <36c035ab.691610@news.gate.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-1-1-137.dial.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 11 Feb 1999 10:04:23 GMT, pm4-1-1-137.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 20 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!195.112.4.37.MISMATCH!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm4-1-1-137.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15870 On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:41:02 -0800, "Robert Malley" wrote: >You may substitute honey for suger in any wine recipe. What you get will be >called a mead. It is not a pure mead which is honey and water. but it is a >form of a mead. I also make a killer Honey lagger with cryatal malt >extract, honey, and cascade hopes. > >Robert > You're right, but I'd like to add - fruit flavoured meads often have names of their own. The only one I can recall offhand is 'Metheglin', which is Rose-hip flavoured mead. There are others, all almost as ancient as mead itself, and all with similarly 'strange' sounding names. -- kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk try the (new) quiz @ .../quizform.htm "seilF emiT" From Redshrike@erols.com Thu Feb 18 06:13:01 EST 1999 Article: 15871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring Meds... Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:23:17 -0500 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <79v77p$g6e$1@winter.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: pe/BO0S6Tsk3jzSToVxoX/XI7jMftnZJz7eVsRDAZ/o= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Feb 1999 18:23:53 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15871 Hello, I am relatively new to Bee keeping. I live in New Jersey and the weather has been warming up rather quickly. I need to know if I should be placing any meds in the hive at this time. In the fall I treated the hive (I only have one at this time) with apistan, Menthol and grease pattis. It was a mild winter and as far as I can tell they made it through very well. On warm days they are flying and when I press my ear against the hive it sounds fairly strong. Please give me any info as to what I should be doing in this area (New Jersey/Pennsylvania) as far as hive management. As of yet, Feb 11, I haven't opened them to inspect them. Day time temps have been as high as 50 and 60 (I think?) and seems pretty warm. Please, any info would be appreciated. Thanks Gabe Redshrike@erols.com From mae@indy.net Thu Feb 18 06:13:01 EST 1999 Article: 15872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!chicago-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!web.onecall.net!news!not-for-mail From: Mary Ann Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE Mites Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:47:03 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 15 Message-ID: <36C333B7.1A30@indy.net> References: <79o30k$q17$1@news-1.news.gte.net> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip209-183-87-118.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.indy.net 918779879 13509 209.183.87.118 (12 Feb 1999 00:37:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 1999 00:37:59 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15872 Matt Johnson wrote: > > Recently saw a show on public television that present Bee mite infestation > and possible horrific threat to California agriculture. The treated each > hive with some type of acid laying a towel wet with the acid, over the hive > and the mites fell off the bees. Was this ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) or > oxalic acid or some other? > > Thanks, > > Jim It was Formic Acid. Tobi From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Thu Feb 18 06:13:02 EST 1999 Article: 15873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Types of Mead (was creamed honey) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 99 08:02:35 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <182E3712AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <36BCDA07.892738E5@snet.net> <36c035ab.691610@news.gate.net> <36c2a506.566088@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15873 In article <36c2a506.566088@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk (Kidney John) writes: >>... pure mead which is honey and water.... >... fruit flavoured meads often have names of their own. The only one I can >recall offhand is 'Metheglin'.... Actually metheglin is a spiced mead. Fruit falvored meads are melomels, unless... The Types of Mead Mead is classified not by the kind of honey that it is made of, but by what else may have been added to it for flavor- ing. * "Traditional" mead is made with only honey, water, and yeast, plus perhaps a small amount of acid (to balance the sweetness). * "Metheglin" is mead made with added herbs or spices, such as cloves or cinnamon. * "Melomel" is mead made with the addition of fruit or fruit juice to traditional mead. Melomel may also contain spices, as metheglin does. * "Cyser" is a particular melomel made with apples or apple juice. * "Pyment" is a melomel made with grapes or grape juice; it may also refer to a wine sweetened with honey. * "Hippocras" is a spiced pyment. * "Sack" is a name (or an adjective) for stronger meads made with more honey than usual, and therefore more likely to be somewhat sweet. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Thu Feb 18 06:13:02 EST 1999 Article: 15874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bt control of wax moths Date: Fri, 12 Feb 99 11:40:36 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 41 Message-ID: <182E3A436S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <7fegTJA8dLw2Ew2J@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> <19990210070456.21225.00000005@ng114.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15874 In article <19990210070456.21225.00000005@ng114.aol.com> hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) writes: > >>Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) for control of wax moths? >>Try Thornes. I'm pretty sure that's the stuff marketed as 'Certan' >> > >Or is this BT something used inside a live hive ? >From the archives of BEE-L: >>> Posting number 24430, dated 28 Sep 1998 07:47:29 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:47:29 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Death to wax moths! How cold, how long and strain of BT? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Freezing will kill wax moths, all stages (eggs, larvae, pupae and adults). The question of how long to freeze depends on how cold is your freezer. From _Honey_Bee_Pests,_Predators,_and_Diseases_ (Morse and Nowogrodzki): "... minimum treatments are required to kill all stages of the greater wax moth: -7 dC (20 dF) for 4.5 hours, -12 dC (10 dF) for 3 hours, or -15 dC (5 dF) for 2 hours ... (Bulky materials - containers of bee-collected pollen, combs containing honey, and so on - may require considerably longer exposure times to reach killing temperatures.)" Regarding the strain of BT, it is correct that there are many different strains of BT and you must use the strain that specifically targets the pest in question. BT for Colorado Potato Beetle is not the same as BT for asparagus or BT for cabbage. I was surprised that ..._Pests,_ Predators,_and_Diseases_ did not list a specific strain of BT. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From alan@blood70.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 18 06:13:03 EST 1999 Article: 15875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!newsfeed1.online.no!newsfeed.online.no!news.online.no!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Alan Blood" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid? Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:59:08 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7a1tm3$idu$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <79vesl$1rm6$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-18.herceptin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 918845955 18878 62.136.70.146 (12 Feb 1999 18:59:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 1999 18:59:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15875 Like Peter, I am curious to know how you administer the oxalic acid...please tell. Regards, Alan Blood alan@blood70.freeserve.co.uk Flemming Rasmussen wrote in message <79vesl$1rm6$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk>... >Abut oxalic acid. Here in Denmark had we been trying that metode for some >years. At the moment our veterinary aturaties are abut to se if it can be >official approved. Its a werry effective metode and it make no resistant and >no pesticide rests in the wax.But dont give the bees the acid to offend >its hard to thers digestion)and do not spray the acid on the bees (its WERY >dangerous to inhale). Here in DK we give the bees the acid on a special and >wery effective way. > Flemming Rasmussen flemmin_@post10.tele.dk > > > > > From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Thu Feb 18 06:13:04 EST 1999 Article: 15876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: looking into beekeeping Date: 12 Feb 1999 20:21:00 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7a22fc$5cl8$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Post-Time: 12 Feb 1999 20:21:00 GMT X-Auth-User: 000000000/a103e428e1f1efcf X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15876 i would like to look into bee keeping a small hive. how should i start and where do i get the bees? what are the best books? how much should it cost? i live in the city of detroit michigan. please cc me an email if possible, thanks. From flemmin_@post10.tele.dk Thu Feb 18 06:13:04 EST 1999 Article: 15877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!193.162.146.37!news1.tele.dk!news.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Flemming Rasmussen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oxalic acid??? Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:25:23 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7a26kv$1iuo$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip224.albnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news-inn.inet.tele.dk 918855135 52184 (None) 195.249.209.224 (12-02-99 21:32:15 GMT) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15877 There are many who had send me mails abut the way we do the oxalic treatment here in Denmark. We treat only one time a year. In the autumn. After we had take the larst honey and feed them 2 times.A solution of: 10 gr. oxalic acid . 100gr sucker and 100gr. water. Mix it well and drip 3-4ml.between eaths frame only in the box where the bees sit. Treat only one time a year.( its hard to the bees) If you treat more then one time you risk that many bees die. If you need to tread more can you use milk acid solution.(spray). Flemming Rasmussen. flemmin_@post10.tele.dk From stavorb@otenet.gr Thu Feb 18 06:13:05 EST 1999 Article: 15878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!newsfeed1.online.no!newsfeed.online.no!news.online.no!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail From: "ÂÁÓÉËÅÉÏÓ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Diseases Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 00:08:08 +0200 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7a28ld$ecl$1@ns1.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: kast-a01.otenet.gr X-Trace: ns1.otenet.gr 918857197 14741 195.167.125.208 (12 Feb 1999 22:06:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 1999 22:06:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15878 I'm interested in fighting bee disease Varroa jacobsoni Oudemans. Like below: 1)Chemical means against Varroa 2)Manner of applications 3)Effectiveness 4)How are bees influented 5)Web sites From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Thu Feb 18 06:13:05 EST 1999 Article: 15879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Date: 14 Feb 1999 18:58:53 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 50 Message-ID: <01be584b$da95e280$d7cd480c@micron> References: <36c61ab6.0@carrera.intergate.ca> <7a6c77$10m$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.215 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15879 Mild winter + insufficient stores = dead bees -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! honeybs wrote in article <7a6c77$10m$2@news1.Radix.Net>... > "Craig Hennessey" wrote: > > >Dang it. My bees are dead. Boo hoo hoo! > > >They made it so far, I started my first hive last spring, they were so > >strong, they lasted all winter, and they've died. > > >We had a cold snap two days ago, here in Vancouver area. Musta killed them. > >They have wings and look in good shape. Looked like they're gearing up for > >the spring when the cold spell froze them to the spot. > > >Poor poor bees, they lasted all winter to die now. That kind of sucks. And > >it's my only hive so I'm out of stinking bees! > > >I had seen an article in my school newspaper (SFU) and some lady was giving > >away some mason bees she had done research on, so I asked her for some and > >she said yes. So maybe I'll have to go with mason bees. > > >Oh well, that's life I suppose. > > I hope your dog didn't starve to death too. Bees like any > animal require food and water. If they didn't get enough on > their own YOU have to give them some. > > Greg the beekeep > > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > > From malka@webnet.com.ar Thu Feb 18 06:13:06 EST 1999 Article: 15880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: malka@webnet.com.ar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MALKA Queens - Available Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:47:46 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 59 Message-ID: <7a7991$ss0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7a4ufv$2pm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <19990213183001.08076.00001228@ng-fv1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.10.101.77 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Feb 14 19:47:46 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x6.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 200.10.101.77 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15880 Dear Sir, I am very sorry about your mediocre perspective on world trade. When it comes to free trade US exports of goods are welcomed everywhere in the world, I never heard of any non-US beekeeper complaining either in this News Group or in Bee-L about US queens exported to third countries. I am also sorry because even if you wanted to try our great queens, your Congress has enacted a law (back in 1922) prohibiting the import of live bees. So you can be confident that our high quality queens will not be able to compete with many US Queens poorly raised and poorly mated that are superseded no later than three weeks after being introduced. If you have to compete with Japanese cars, Argentine honey or whatever product more competitive in either quality or price... What’s the matter ? Like it or not, this is the capitalism the US economy is so proud of. Now I should clarify the impact of Argentine honey into US beekeeping. The US has more than doubled its imports of honey between 1990 (34,000 Tns) and 1997 (73,000 Tns). At the same time US domestic consumption of honey has increased almost 30% in the last years. But...the US beekeeping industry has lost over 600,000 hives since 1993 and there is a serious generation gap, you don’t see many young fellows working with bees in your country. Given these facts, it is not surprising the US is not able to supply more than 50% of its domestic demand. Therefore you need to import the other 50% >from China, Argentina or wherever. It is not so difficult to understand it, isn’t it ? Why should US consumers of honey be punished to pay skyrocketing prices just because you can’t meet their demand. The market will find its equilibrium regardless of your thoughts and expectations. The gospel of capitalism and free trade was not created to only benefit one economy. Martin Braunstein In article <19990213183001.08076.00001228@ng-fv1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > I'm very sorry sir but due to the fact that your honey has almost put most of > us out of business, I wouldn't have one a your queens if ya gave it to me ! > > My hives may die but at least they'll die with > MADE IN THE USA on their honey jars > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively > by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. > > " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Feb 18 06:13:07 EST 1999 Article: 15881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MALKA Queens - Available Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Feb 1999 23:31:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7a7991$ss0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19990214183118.08079.00001499@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15881 >I am very sorry about your mediocre perspective on world trade. When it comes >to free trade US exports of goods are welcomed everywhere in the >The gospel of capitalism and free trade was not created to only benefit one >economy. > >Martin Braunstein > welp I guess if ya can't beat em join em.... wanna buy a bee vac ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From gwoods@albany.net Thu Feb 18 06:13:07 EST 1999 Article: 15882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!nntp.flash.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: gwoods@albany.net (Gary Woods) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MALKA Queens - Available Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 01:10:55 GMT Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <36c96f0a.15205327@news.monmouth.com> References: <7a4ufv$2pm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <19990213183001.08076.00001228@ng-fv1.aol.com> <7a7991$ss0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm5p31.albany.albany.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15882 malka@webnet.com.ar wrote: >I am very sorry about your mediocre perspective on world trade. When it comes >to free trade US exports of goods are welcomed everywhere in the world, I >never heard of any non-US beekeeper complaining either in this News Group or >in Bee-L about US queens exported to third countries. So, let's see if I've got this right... imports should be accepted without regard to the possible damage to the local ecosystem? Sounds very appealing.... I was very big on Ayn Rand myself as a youth. Maybe your critic knows too much about world trade, not too little. At any rate, calling your potential customers fools is not the way to build up business. ....we now return you to your regular rant, already in progress... -- Gary Woods O- K2AHC Public keys at www.albany.net/~gwoods, or get 0x1D64A93D via keyserver gwoods@albany.net gwoods@wrgb.com fingerprint = E2 6F 50 93 7B C7 F3 CA 1F 8B 3C C0 B0 28 68 0B From steven.turner@zbee.com Thu Feb 18 06:13:08 EST 1999 Article: 15883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: World Class honey show held in London each year (November) Message-ID: <918666450@zbee.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:07:30 GMT Lines: 32 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Trace: 10 Feb 1999 18:16:06 GMT, 194.112.43.78 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15883 Subcribe to The National Honey Show Mailing List The idea behind the NHS mailing list is to further communications between NHS members, traders, visiting beekeepers from all over of the world. 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From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Thu Feb 18 06:13:08 EST 1999 Article: 15884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!nntp.msstate.edu!finch!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36b9efb6.0@super> <79fmit$8vf$1@news.ipa.net> Subject: Re: What is best clover to plant? Lines: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 21:00:19 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 918266444 24.93.149.35 (Fri, 05 Feb 1999 18:00:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 18:00:44 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15884 A question. Is there a clover variety that thrives in acid clay soil? From jlamothe@snet.net Thu Feb 18 06:13:09 EST 1999 Article: 15885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!remarQ.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "J.Lamothe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: creamed honey Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 19:10:47 -0500 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 12 Message-ID: <36BCDA07.892738E5@snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh16-port196.snet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15885 I want to make creamed honey for sale. (both regular and some flavored) Can anyone point me to some directions to do this? Thank you, Jean Lamothe lamothes.sugar.house@snet.net -- Jean Lamothe Lamothe's Sugar House http://members.tripod.com/~lamothes_sugar_house/index.html From pollinator@aol.com Thu Feb 18 06:13:10 EST 1999 Article: 15886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Feb 1999 04:49:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36c61ab6.0@carrera.intergate.ca> Message-ID: <19990214234915.17047.00001853@ng124.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15886 From: "Craig Hennessey" <> Sounds like you are guessing about the cause of death. You need to do a post mortem so that you KNOW the cause of death. Possibilities include starvation, failed queen, varroa mites, american foulbrood, dysentery, suffocation (buried in heavy, wet snow?), pesticide-contaminted pollen stored away, and many other causes. If you don't know how to do a post mortem, check with an experienced beekeeper for help. If they died of foulbrood, you should destroy the frames and scorch the boxes before robber bees spread the disease. Otherwise you probably could install a package right back into the hive and get going again. Don't give up so easily. Your loss is tuition in the University of the Seat of thePants. You have to pay tuition to get an education, however you get it. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Thu Feb 18 06:13:10 EST 1999 Article: 15887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bt control of wax moths Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:30:45 +0000 Message-ID: <0DlT7AAVBdw2EwXf@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> References: <7fegTJA8dLw2Ew2J@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> <19990210070456.21225.00000005@ng114.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 918672756 nnrp-13:20253 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15887 In article <19990210070456.21225.00000005@ng114.aol.com>, Hk1BeeMan writes >Pardon my ighn. about things cross the big water, but can't ya'll get Moth >balls ( paradichlorobenzene ) Over here, moth balls tend to be napthalene, will kill the bees too. BDB crystals are available from Boot's chemist. I assumed that what Colin Denholm wanted was a biological control not chemical. -- Tom S From gconaway@mdo.net Thu Feb 18 06:13:11 EST 1999 Article: 15888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!newsfeed.fast.net!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news6.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Conaway" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36bf319c.0@news.clover.net> Subject: Re: Bees Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.138.108.14 X-Trace: news6.ispnews.com 919062886 207.138.108.14 (Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:14:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:14:46 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:14:31 -0600 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15888 space the hives about three feet apart and it is a good idea to place your hives somewhere so they have a wind break to protect them from the elements. George Bob wrote in message <36bf319c.0@news.clover.net>... >I am starting up two hives with two different types of bees. Is it a good >idea to keep them far apart or can I put two different hives with different >bees besides each other? > > From pollinator@aol.com Thu Feb 18 06:13:12 EST 1999 Article: 15889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Massive Build Up...A Month Too Early Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Feb 1999 19:27:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <182DFB039S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Message-ID: <19990210142713.15046.00000031@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15889 Dave Green SC USA Dave Green SC USA Dave Green SC USA Dave Green SC USA From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) >Go for imported queens like queens from Hawaii (southern Hawaii of >course) or those other islands (Australia and New Zealand). Even if >your hives are showing signs of raising drones, remember that your drones >won't be up to the task (mature) until 3 weeks after they emerge. I >s'pect it's too early for reliable mating yet, even in your red neck of >the woods. ;) Aaron, we've got lotsa' mature drones. Strong hives here'll keep drones all winter, unless we get an Alberta clipper; then they get tossed. The problem is guaranteeing that there'll be good flying weather for mating, and that's iffy at this time of year. I may be too cautious at this point, but I've seen lots of nasty spring storms, too. I sure can't recommend the queens you do, either. I've wound up with them several times (Hey, I've got my splits done and have a few leftover queens.....want 'em?) and they often just die out before the end of summer. They have never had their weak stock weeded out. Not having been exposed to tracheal mites, they get them quickly and go right into a downhill slide. I want stock that'll stay strong and healthy despite tracheal mite. I'm not about to start wasting money treating for it, when good bees will take care of it themselves. If one does get tropical queens, make sure they are shipped in battery boxes with lots of attendants. In single cages, they can get badly chilled in the cargo hold, and appear fine, but actually be badly damaged. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From gconaway@mdo.net Thu Feb 18 06:13:12 EST 1999 Article: 15890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news6.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Conaway" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Formic Acid help Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.138.108.14 X-Trace: news6.ispnews.com 919063479 207.138.108.14 (Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:24:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:24:39 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:24:15 -0600 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15890 anyone know of a good source of formic acid in Maryland? I am sick to tears with Apistan,I have a lot more hives than I used to. it works well however it just cost to much and formic if used properly works extremely well, better than Apistan and Formic kills both mites. George From urrw@skynet.be Thu Feb 18 06:13:13 EST 1999 Article: 15891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!feeder.qis.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!skynet.be!poster!not-for-mail From: "Emmanuel HAUBRUGE" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New web site for beekeeper Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:47:45 +0100 Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7a9to7$778$1@news0.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup188.namur.skynet.be X-Trace: news0.skynet.be 919108167 7400 195.238.8.188 (15 Feb 1999 19:49:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Feb 1999 19:49:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15891 Go to : http://users.skynet.be/urrw In french, but in english soon. From adamshonco@aol.com Thu Feb 18 06:13:14 EST 1999 Article: 15892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: adamshonco@aol.com (AdamsHonCo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MALKA Queens - Available Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Feb 1999 03:16:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7a4ufv$2pm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19990215221643.17822.00001751@ng155.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15892 I have to agree with Kevin . I tried to correspond with you Martin about 6or 8 months ago, when I asked about your honey crop and said I was in the USA you must of became paranoid. You never replied again to me , even after my 2 e-mails to you. As far as your view of the current USA V. IMPORT (CHEAP) honey, the packers here won't buy our honey at times because they say the warehouses are full. When I get return drums they are all dark brown and say Meil product of argentina I have friends right now that can't get rid of honey . We can produce alot more than we get credit for, but cannot compete with the low costs and no regulations that are in other parts of the world Good luck and may the force be with you ! David Adams FLA-USA From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Thu Feb 18 06:13:14 EST 1999 Article: 15893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news4.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36C89311.37953264@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: CMBH71C@prodigy.com Subject: Re: looking into beekeeping References: <7a22fc$5cl8$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:32:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-214-67-209.atl.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:32:23 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15893 Shelly, You might try reading the words of wisdom at the following site. Although it may be herisy for this group, James Satterfield put together some interesting things including plans for Top Bar Hives, which is a relatively easy way to get started, and to see if it is really for you. http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm David Lynes, Woodstock, GA Shelley Corbin wrote: > > i would like to look into bee keeping a small hive. how should i start > and where do i get the bees? what are the best books? how much should it > cost? i live in the city of detroit michigan. please cc me an email if > possible, thanks. From shuston@riverace.com Thu Feb 18 06:13:15 EST 1999 Article: 15894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: looking into beekeeping Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:53:58 -0500 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 45 Message-ID: <36C8C1A6.A9EA602D@riverace.com> References: <7a22fc$5cl8$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shuston.ma.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 16 Feb 1999 00:54:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) To: Shelley Corbin Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15894 Hi Shelly, I'm pretty much starting out too (I spent last year working with my dad on his hives - this year I start my own). From what I've learned there, and so far in the local beekeeping class this year... Shelley Corbin wrote: > > i would like to look into bee keeping a small hive. how should i start 1. Read. 2. Find someone else near you who has been doing it a while and see if you can tag along and/or talk with them about bees. 3. See if you can find a local beekeeping association or group and go to some meetings. > and where do i get the bees? I'm not sure of the best answer... I'm getting mine from my dad splitting one of his hives, and I ordered a queen to go in it. There are lots of ads in magazines (Bee Culture, American Bee Journal) but I'm not sure how to tell which are best for any one situation. If you can get them locally, it's probably easier on the bees than being mailed. > what are the best books? Again, my experience doesn't qualify me to judge "best". I have 2, and the one I like so far is "Beekeeping - A Practical Guide" by Richard E. Bonney. ISBN 0-88266-861-7. > how much should it cost? I've heard estimates that vary... most common seems to be about $300 for equipment (hive and protective) and bees. Might be able to save some by finding used equipment, but be careful of diseases in used hives. Have fun! -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From collinsb@portobello.ie Thu Feb 18 06:13:16 EST 1999 Article: 15895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Bill Collins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Bees Lines: 6 Organization: Portobello College X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:45:44 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.125.212.60 X-Complaints-To: news@indigo.ie X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 919172635 194.125.212.60 (Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:43:55 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:43:55 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15895 Tragedy has befallen my hive. My inexperienced+ no food = Bee RIP Can anyone advise on possible sources and timing of restocking. I live in Dublin Ireland Thanks From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Feb 18 06:13:17 EST 1999 Article: 15896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: looking into beekeeping Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:03:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36C89311.37953264@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <19990216170317.12401.00002364@ng153.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15896 >David Lynes, Woodstock, GA Hey dave , you folks got any queens yet ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Feb 18 06:13:17 EST 1999 Article: 15897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintered observation hive Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:01:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36c8bcba.0@news.aiusa.com> Message-ID: <19990216170151.12401.00002361@ng153.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15897 > Does = >anyone had any ideas in general on how to pull them through and can = >honey be efficiently fed to them using a mason jar feeder? =20 >Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! > jar feeder will work but make the holes in the lid larger, watch for trachea mites and varroa, even ob hives gets critters !!!!! and its easy to forget to treat just a frame or 2 ya know. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From BobCan@Clover.Net Thu Feb 18 06:13:18 EST 1999 Article: 15898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Bob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36bf319c.0@news.clover.net> Subject: Re: Bees Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:06:46 -0500 Lines: 25 Organization: Ohio Bee Keeper X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.4.231.14 Message-ID: <36c9884b.0@news.clover.net> X-Trace: 16 Feb 1999 10:01:31 -0500, 12.4.231.14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.clover.net!12.4.231.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15898 I recently heard that with the two side by side the bees can get confused on which hive is theirs and fly into the first one they come to. Placing a symbol on the front door like a star and on the other a circle will help them know what home is what. I have also read that if one hive gets bigger than the other you could move them from "trade them around" and then your weak one will grow. George Conaway wrote in message news:GPPx2.215$qD3.1858@news6.ispnews.com... >space the hives about three feet apart and it is a good idea to place your >hives somewhere so they have a wind break to protect them from the elements. >George > >Bob wrote in message <36bf319c.0@news.clover.net>... >>I am starting up two hives with two different types of bees. Is it a good >>idea to keep them far apart or can I put two different hives with different >>bees besides each other? >> >> > > From mlomas@tinet.ie Thu Feb 18 06:13:19 EST 1999 Article: 15899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Mark Lomas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Bees Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:46:29 -0000 Organization: Natural Technology Systems Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7acu6v$rpd$4@scotty.tinet.ie> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p22.limerick1.tinet.ie X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 919206943 28461 159.134.249.22 (16 Feb 1999 23:15:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Feb 1999 23:15:43 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15899 Bill Collins wrote in message ... >Tragedy has befallen my hive. My inexperienced+ no food = Bee RIP Can >anyone advise on possible sources and timing of restocking. I live in Dublin >Ireland >Thanks Hi Bill, Sorry to hear about your bees. I suppose that's how we go from inexperienced to experienced. I'm new to the sport myself, and hope my single hive will hang on till Spring. Try the Irish Beekeeper Journal c/o Graham Hall Weston, 38 Elton Park Sandycove Co.Dublin e-mail Graham.Hall@dtti.team400.ie This is from an old leaflet in my files, so I hope it's up to date. It costs about IR£9.50 for 11 issues per year. (I must get round to subscribing aswell !) If you have a TEAGASC office nearby, they might be able to help with local contacts. And, of course, if you can find an experienced beekeeper nearby, I'm sure he/she will help - I think it's something about the co-operative nature of bees that rubs off and makes experienced beekeepers so helpful. I've got one or two other Irish contacts in my files if the above fails - e-mail me and I'll dig them out for you. >-- Mark Lomas : mlomas@tinet.ie Web : http://homepage.tinet.ie/~naturaltechnology NATURAL TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS, FEAKLE, CO.CLARE, IRELAND From garet58@my-dejanews.com Thu Feb 18 06:13:19 EST 1999 Article: 15900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: garet58@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to do a postmortem? Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 01:13:59 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7ad54h$qg3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.244.113 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Feb 17 01:13:59 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x4.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.244.113 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15900 Like many others, My single hive of bees died this winter. They seemed to have adequate stores as the hive is still fairly heavy. When this has happened in the past I've always been advised to have an experienced beekeeper come and do a postmortem to figure out what happened. However, I've never been successful in getting someone to come out. Anyone have any ideas as to where I can find a checklist to go through the probable causes of death? Thanks, Garet Livermore Cooperstown, New York -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From anthony@iet.hist.no Thu Feb 18 06:13:20 EST 1999 Article: 15901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.net.uni-c.dk!uninett.no!not-for-mail From: Anthony N Morgan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Types of Mead (was creamed honey) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:16:22 +0100 Organization: Sor-Trondelag College, Division of Electronic Engineering Lines: 27 Message-ID: <36CA88E6.52EC6ECC@iet.hist.no> References: <36BCDA07.892738E5@snet.net> <36c035ab.691610@news.gate.net> <36c2a506.566088@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <182E3712AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: snipp.uninett.no 919243050 21517 158.38.51.37 (17 Feb 1999 09:17:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15901 Aaron Morris wrote: > > * "Traditional" mead is made with only honey, water, and > yeast, plus perhaps a small amount of acid (to balance the > sweetness). The honey-water mixture is not well balanced from the yeast's point of view so all starting mixtures (and particularly those without added fruit) require adjustment of acidity and the addition of yeast nutrient to ensure rapid yeast development and a strong fermentation -- thus avoiding off-tastes, stuck fermentation etc. There are a large number of excellent mead making sites -- see for example the mead section of: NET RESOURCES FOR WINE & WINEMAKING: http://library.wustl.edu/~bird/wine/wineres.html cheers Tony -- Anthony N Morgan, Førsteammanuensis Institutt for Elektroteknikk Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag N-7005 Trondheim, Norway anthony@iet.hist.no Tlf. 73 55 96 04 Fax. 73 55 95 81 From abchome@webzone.net Fri Feb 19 04:19:37 EST 1999 Article: 15902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <36BDACAF.4F7721DF@webzone.net> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 09:09:36 -0600 From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Insturmental Insemination References: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> <36B5F5B7.EB4@povn.com> <79fhqq$bco$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <79it5f$t3q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.152.96.174 X-Trace: 7 Feb 1999 09:12:46 -0600, 208.152.96.174 Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.1.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!wznews.webzone.net!208.152.96.174 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15902 If you are a Queen breeder and are interested in Instrumental Insemination. Please email me, Especially if you do not have the equipment yet. Donald From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Feb 19 04:19:38 EST 1999 Article: 15903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to do a postmortem? Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Feb 1999 11:49:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7ad54h$qg3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19990217064938.24044.00001830@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15903 >Like many others, My single hive of bees died this winter. They seemed to >have adequate stores as the hive is still fairly heavy. When this has >happened in the past I've always been advised to have an experienced >beekeeper come and do a postmortem to figure out what happened. However, >I've never been successful in getting someone to come out. Anyone have any >ideas as to where I can find a checklist to go through the probable causes of >death? > >Thanks, >Garet Livermore >Cooperstown, New York Take the hive apart frame by frame, notice the location of honey stores, are they central or close to the outer frames. Notice dead bees actually in the frames..head first inside cells( died this way ) . Examine the bottom board very closely, pick through debris, look for large amounts of dead varroa, Is the board wet ? did you elevate the back of the hive especially for winter ? Is the wax very moldy in the frames ? do the frames contain dead brood, is there a foul odor. were your area temps low enough for a long period of time so that the bees couldn't move towards stores ( they usually only move up ) You tell me what you find, I'll be glad to help ya figure it out !!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Feb 19 04:19:39 EST 1999 Article: 15904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Feb 1999 11:51:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36c9884b.0@news.clover.net> Message-ID: <19990217065126.24044.00001832@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15904 > >I recently heard that with the two side by side the bees can get confused on >which hive is theirs and fly into the first one they come to. Placing a >symbol on the front door like a star and on the other a circle will help >them know what home is what. I have also read that if one hive gets >bigger than the other you could move them from "trade them around" and then >your weak one will grow. > Yep you heard right Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From tomasmozer@juno.com Fri Feb 19 04:19:39 EST 1999 Article: 15905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MALKA Queens - Available Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 04:21:55 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 9 Message-ID: <36CAB463.4CE6@juno.com> References: <7a4ufv$2pm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <19990215221643.17822.00001751@ng155.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.232 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 919262009 OCZ7E7JIA4FE8CDD8C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: AdamsHonCo CC: malka@webnet.com.ar Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15905 egos, nationalism and xenophobia seem to obscure the common ground that all beekeepers share...exploitation by the market forces that set world honey prices at low levels, sometimes below production costs, to the detriment of all commercial beekeepers. if martin would post the messages he has sent to the spanish bee-list (l-apicultura) about j.stroope's letter to him (re:u.s.&argentinian beekeepers) and the excerpts from bee-biz (re:interviews with exporters/importers), we may enhance understanding among us instead of enmity. From kzbees@nex.net Fri Feb 19 04:19:40 EST 1999 Article: 15906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: kzbees@nex.net (Ricky & Diane Kizer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How many strips to use?? Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <71sdcl$80c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <363E5FC6.80456132@bigfoot.com> <3640FA0A.7984@kingston.net> Lines: 11 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 05:42:09 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.27 X-Trace: WReNphoon2 918394929 10.0.2.27 (Sun, 07 Feb 1999 05:42:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 05:42:09 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15906 In my part of the country, we have been getting by with using only one Apistan strip per two story hive. There may be a time when we will have to use more strips per hive. Some of us also use formic acid. To treat for varroa mites. -**** Posted from remarQ, Discussions Start Here(tm) ****- http://www.remarq.com/ - Host to the the World's Discussions & Usenet From logcabin@qaiusqa.com Fri Feb 19 04:19:40 EST 1999 Article: 15907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wintered observation hive Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:26:00 -0500 Lines: 71 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01BE5919.0527C720" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.252.235 Message-ID: <36c8bcba.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.0.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.252.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15907 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01BE5919.0527C720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I decided to try to bring a 3 deep frame observation hive through = the winter by sticking a tube out my living room window instead of = joining it with one of my other colonies. They come and go as they = please and it's been great fun watching them until a few weeks ago. I = think the temp of the house has not forced their metabolism to slow and = the cluster population is dropping fast. The queen is still present and = I have been feeding syrup and small balls of pollen substitute made with = honey all winter. What stores they had are now nonexistent. Does = anyone had any ideas in general on how to pull them through and can = honey be efficiently fed to them using a mason jar feeder? =20 Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! thanks, steve logcabin@qaiusqa.com (remove the q's to respond....NO SPAM) ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01BE5919.0527C720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well I decided to try to bring a 3 = deep frame=20 observation hive through the winter by sticking a tube out my living = room window=20 instead of joining it with one of my other colonies.  They come and = go as=20 they please and it's been great fun watching them until a few weeks = ago.  I=20 think the temp of the house has not forced their metabolism to slow and = the=20 cluster population is dropping fast.  The queen is still present = and I have=20 been feeding syrup and small balls of pollen substitute made with honey = all=20 winter.  What stores they had are now nonexistent.  Does = anyone had=20 any ideas in general on how to pull them through and can honey be = efficiently=20 fed to them using a mason jar feeder? 
Any assistance would be greatly=20 appreciated!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_005F_01BE5919.0527C720-- From mdrbees@aol.com Fri Feb 19 04:19:41 EST 1999 Article: 15908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mdrbees@aol.com (MDRbees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Trachea mite treatment Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Feb 1999 06:30:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990218013013.23421.00003323@ng98.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15908 I am trying to find an article I read in the ABJ or Bee Culture that explained the mixing and proper amounts for melting the menthol crystals and mixing with vegtable oil and soaking blue shop towels with this solution and using it even in cooler weather. Any one remeber which magazine and date that appeared. Thanks From erestel@hotmail.com Fri Feb 19 04:19:42 EST 1999 Article: 15909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!titan.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@titan.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help: Need Bee Venom Therapist in the UK Date: 19 Feb 1999 04:19:24 -0500 Organization: SunSITE UNC-CH Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7ajaas$c43@titan.oit.unc.edu> Reply-To: erestel@hotmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu Summary: Please Reply-To: erestel@hotmail.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15909 My name is Estelle and I would like to know if you can help me in finding a therapist in the UK who can cure ill people with the bee venom therapy. I have a very ill friend there who will be glad to receive any answer on this subject. I would very much appreciate your help in this matter and thank you in advance for your kind cooperation. Best regards, Estelle Mizrahi email: erestel@hotmail.com -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@metalab.unc.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Feb 19 14:25:41 EST 1999 Article: 15910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Trachea mite treatment Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Feb 1999 13:12:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990218013013.23421.00003323@ng98.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990218081247.02069.00003391@ng136.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15910 >e mixing and proper amounts for melting the menthol crystals and mixing with >vegtable oil and soaking blue shop use 1 lb menthol to a small 2 lb can of crisco, melt and soak in a coffee can, store here too after cooling, cut shop towel roll in half before immersion Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From snewport@pavilion.co.uk Fri Feb 19 14:25:41 EST 1999 Article: 15911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!amsterdam1-snf1!news.gtei.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Pipers Apiaries Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:00:31 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 4 Message-ID: <36bf511b.28577964@news.pavilion.net> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic-117.max1-du-ws.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 919375312 10071 212.74.8.117 (18 Feb 1999 22:01:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Feb 1999 22:01:52 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15911 Aside from their name and the fact that they are supposed to be somewhere in Hampshire, England, I do not know their address. Can anybody help ? From snewport@pavilion.co.uk Fri Feb 19 14:25:42 EST 1999 Article: 15912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.algonet.se!algonet!uninett.no!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Alcohol for propolis Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:00:32 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 4 Message-ID: <36cc8c30.8308700@news.pavilion.net> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic-117.max1-du-ws.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 919375313 10071 212.74.8.117 (18 Feb 1999 22:01:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Feb 1999 22:01:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15912 Can anyone recommend what types of alcohol could be used for making propolis tinctures and in what proportions ? Many thanks. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Feb 20 18:23:50 EST 1999 Article: 15913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Alcohol for propolis Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Feb 1999 01:41:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36cc8c30.8308700@news.pavilion.net> Message-ID: <19990218204130.10599.00003189@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15913 >Can anyone recommend what types of alcohol could be used for making >propolis tinctures and in what proportions ? > >Many thanks. > medical grade ethyl alcohol in other words, everclear, vodka, corn whiskey add alcohol to propolis a little at a time, when almost all is into solution ( after about 3 weeks ) filter through cheese cloth. if you add too much alcohol, all is ruined unless more propolis is added. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From hkthomas@tinet.ie Sat Feb 20 18:23:50 EST 1999 Article: 15914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Heather Thomas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to do a postmortem? Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:36:57 -0000 Organization: Telecom Internet (http://www.tinet.ie/) Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7ahmij$2gl$1@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <7ad54h$qg3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p77.limerick1.tinet.ie X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 919362963 2581 159.134.249.77 (18 Feb 1999 18:36:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Feb 1999 18:36:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15914 garet58@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <7ad54h$qg3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... I've always been advised to have an experienced >beekeeper come and do a postmortem to figure out what happened Who you really need is Incy Wincy Quincy, the insect coroner. Heather hkthomas@tinet.ie From mdrbees@aol.com Sat Feb 20 18:23:51 EST 1999 Article: 15915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mdrbees@aol.com (MDRbees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Trachea mite treatment Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Feb 1999 19:31:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990218081247.02069.00003391@ng136.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990218143130.01089.00003159@ng95.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15915 Thank you for the info. I'm new to the site and have enjoyed your exchanges with others. Any idea where I might find an article or the article I was refering to so I could gleen other info on the subject. Thanks From flash@starpoint.net Sat Feb 20 18:23:52 EST 1999 Article: 15916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.new-york.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "E. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 12 frame extractor for sale Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:30:38 -0600 Organization: news.starpoint.net Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7aj0ei$2pc$1@remarQ.com> References: <36b1f5c3.67680055@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.102 X-Trace: 919405842 PUMHRGCYS0566CE92C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15916 I Mathew, I have a 12 frame Dadant extractor I would like to sell the price is: $400, I may be able to bring it right to your door in March as I too am going to california to pickup packages of bees. If your interested I know of about 200 dead colonies in california that are most likely for sale, all are on 4 way pallets. You may be able to install your bees right there in march and have them delivered to your place in apriI. I also have lots of covers and bottom boards for sale at a $1 each. Elroy From adamf@golux.radix.net Sat Feb 20 18:23:52 EST 1999 Article: 15917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fixing search on metalab.unc.edu/bees Date: 19 Feb 1999 06:14:30 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7aivg6$veb$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port16.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15917 Hello. I'm trying to get the search engine to work properly on The Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive http://metalab.unc.edu/bees Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Sat Feb 20 18:23:53 EST 1999 Article: 15918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36CD7E1C.2B6C4207@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ammonia for propolis References: <36cc8c30.8308700@news.pavilion.net> <19990218204130.10599.00003189@ng-fw1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:10:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-214-71-163.atl.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:10:28 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15918 I remember reading that ammonia was better for dissolving propolis, and when dissolved, it could be painted on the interior of a new hive. Then you have to let the ammonia evaporate well before actually using... From msimics@direct.ca Sat Feb 20 18:23:54 EST 1999 Article: 15919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsgate.direct.ca!not-for-mail From: "Michael Simics" Subject: Re: Help: Need Bee Venom Therapist in the UK Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7ajaas$c43@titan.oit.unc.edu> Organization: Apitronic Services Message-ID: <01be5c20$54795820$978542d8@michael> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 36 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:00:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.66.133.151 X-Trace: newsgate.direct.ca 919440003 216.66.133.151 (Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:00:03 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:00:03 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15919 Hi, You may contact Barbara and Peter Dalby - United Kingdom Apitherapy Society at peter.pebadale@virgin.net or barbara.dalby@virgin.net Sincerely, Michael Simics http://www.beevenom.com http://www.corp.direct.ca/beevenom/ Adam Finkelstein wrote in article <7ajaas$c43@titan.oit.unc.edu>... > My name is Estelle and I would like to know if you can help me in > finding a therapist in the UK who can cure ill people with the bee venom > therapy. > > I have a very ill friend there who will be glad to receive any answer on > this subject. > > I would very much appreciate your help in this matter and thank you in > advance for your kind cooperation. > > Best regards, > > Estelle Mizrahi > email: erestel@hotmail.com > -- > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive > adamf@metalab.unc.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees > From @tinet.ie Sat Feb 20 18:23:54 EST 1999 Article: 15920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Bees Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 07:47:05 -0000 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7ak9nu$ri$1@scotty.tinet.ie> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p6.as1.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 919448126 882 159.134.232.6 (19 Feb 1999 18:15:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Feb 1999 18:15:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15920 Bill Collins wrote in message ... >Tragedy has befallen my hive. My inexperienced+ no food = Bee RIP Can >anyone advise on possible sources and timing of restocking. I live in Dublin >Ireland >Thanks > > The Address of the Dublin Beekeepers Association's secretary is Mr. Don Tarleton, "Carrig" Knocknaree Road, Dalkey Phone +353 01 2858058 He should be able to put you in contact with local breeders. You could also try Michael Mac Giolla Coda Glengara Wood, Burncourt, Cahir, Co. Tipperary Phone +353 052 67205 As to timing it will depend on whether they have over wintered nukes or if you will be getting this years queen with a new nuke Ruary Rudd From midnitebee@hotmail.com Sat Feb 20 18:23:55 EST 1999 Article: 15921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: web site Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:25:23 -0500 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.172 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.172 Message-ID: <36cdc90c.1@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 19 Feb 1999 15:26:52 -0500, 209.222.80.172 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!209.222.80.172 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15921 Greetings, I have restructured my web site and all files are now viewable. I have removed most of my graphics for a faster(?) download time.. Herb Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee "All my life, I always wanted to be somebody. Now I see that I should have been more specific." From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Feb 20 18:23:56 EST 1999 Article: 15922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ammonia for propolis Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Feb 1999 02:02:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36CD7E1C.2B6C4207@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <19990219210224.21906.00000003@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15922 > remember reading that ammonia was better for dissolving propolis, and >when dissolved, it could be painted on the interior of a new hive. Then you >have to let the ammonia evaporate well before actually using... > NOT FOR TINTCHURE OF PROPOLIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! Tinchure is a topical antiseptic that can be used inside the mouth for cold sores etc.. It must be made with medical grade alcohol. Please do not confuse the two. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. From apis@entelchile.net Sun Feb 21 08:56:46 EST 1999 Article: 15923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!199.186.25.111!news.ctcinternet.cl!utfsm!unap!nova.entelchile.net!not-for-mail From: "marcelo schueck" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Formic acid Date: 15 Feb 1999 01:32:37 GMT Organization: m s Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01be5872$6bc2d800$de5654ce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: tch62-222.entelchile.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15923 I would like to know how much formic acid must evaporate per day to be effective against Varroa. Marcelo Schuck apis@entelchile.net From anglin@mi.verio.com Sun Feb 21 08:56:47 EST 1999 Article: 15924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36cc8c30.8308700@news.pavilion.net> <19990218204130.10599.00003189@ng-fw1.aol.com> <36CD7E1C.2B6C4207@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Ammonia for propolis Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.145 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 919511713 209.69.69.145 (Sat, 20 Feb 1999 06:55:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 06:55:13 EST Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 06:57:10 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15924 I tried this, and couldn't get the propolis to dissolve at all. I ended up adding rubbing alcohol to dissolve the propolis, painting it on, and then melting the propolis with a heat gun. (It dried to a yellow powder-probably due to the water base of the ammonia that was already there.) The smell disappeared after the heat gun treatment, and I successfully installed bees a few days later. (Top bar hive.) Ellen David Lynes wrote in message <36CD7E1C.2B6C4207@bellsouth.net>... >I remember reading that ammonia was better for dissolving propolis, and >when dissolved, it could be painted on the interior of a new hive. Then you >have to let the ammonia evaporate well before actually using... From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Feb 21 08:56:48 EST 1999 Article: 15925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bt control of wax moths Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Feb 1999 23:48:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7fegTJA8dLw2Ew2J@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990209184835.16252.00000784@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15925 Anybody actually know if there is a difference between thuricide and certan? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From pollinator@aol.com Sun Feb 21 08:56:48 EST 1999 Article: 15926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: used hives Lines: 60 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Feb 1999 13:53:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990220062426.22352.00000471@ng112.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990220085308.22232.00000443@ng120.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15926 From: redjasper9@aol.com (Redjasper9) >I bought 2 hives for 7 dollars at auction. They sat in a barn for many years. >One had remnants of a hornets nest. They are in excellent shape but dirty >and i'm afraid of foulbrood. What can I do? Sorry if this was covered >before, I missed it. Smell will often tip me off. AFB has a strong urea-like smell, rank & sour, that persists for a very long time. Of course you may also smell mouse pee, or dead roaches, or wax moth frass, all different smells. If the comb is intact (it's probably dry and brittle if it is, but that's another problem), take the brood frames and hold them in good light in such a way to see the bottoms of the cells in the brood area. By bottom, here, I mean the part of the cell that normally is down, not the base of the cells. When a larva gets foulbrood disease, it slumps to the bottom of the cell, and eventually dries into the cell, as a piece of scale, that adheres tightly to the cell. While still fresh, it is gooey and will string out if you touch something to it and draw back. But yours probably will be well dried, if you have it. If you see scale, take a toothpick and try to dislodge it. If it comes off easily, it's not foulbrood. If it sticks like glue, and the comb breaks before you can dislodge it, it probably is. Usually the scale will have a bit of a bulge in the center front also, the remnants of the tongue. The comb will also tend to look dark & greasy, and there will be many cells that were capped, but perforated where bees started to open them to remove the larvae. Perforated caps are randomly done, not the normal circular cut of a an emerging adult bee. If wax worms ate up the comb, or if it is dry and broken up, I'd recommend burning the frames and starting fresh. You can boil the frames in lye water (dangerous) to disinfect them from a known or suspected infection, but it is a lot of work and expense. To me, it's easier (and probably cheaper, especially if you infect new bees) to start with new frames. If the boxes are in good shape, they can be reused. Depending on your assessment of the evidence for prior disease, they can be used as is, or scorched to kill any lingering spores. For one or two boxes, a propane torch will do it. Be sure to char all propolis/wax residues, along with about 1/8 inche of the inside of the wood. Do it in a fire-safe area. Keep a water bucket handy to keep the charring from getting out of hand. There's an easier way to char, if you have many boxes, but that wouldn't apply here. You've got me thinking. I could post a picture of scale on the web page. Now I just have to find some........ Give me a little time. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From busykngt@airmail.net Sun Feb 21 08:56:49 EST 1999 Article: 15927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Busy Knight" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ammonia for propolis Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:57:42 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4FE24FC93EF77EBD.803AD987EF797F52.7DBC886B267FC5DA@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7amf22$c5v@library.airnews.net> References: <36cc8c30.8308700@news.pavilion.net> <19990218204130.10599.00003189@ng-fw1.aol.com> <36CD7E1C.2B6C4207@bellsouth.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Feb 20 07:58:26 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\O>7+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15927 Anglin wrote in message ... > I tried this, and couldn't get the propolis to dissolve at all. I ended >up adding rubbing alcohol And again... NOT FOR TINTCHURE OF PROPOLIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Back to the original question: >Can anyone recommend what types of alcohol could >be used for making propolis tinctures...? YOU DON'T USE RUBBING ALCOHOL TO MAKE TINCTURES! -- BusyKnight Dallas, TX From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Feb 22 10:06:00 EST 1999 Article: 15928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding on the cheap Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Feb 1999 19:24:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990220142411.19005.00000383@ng94.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15928 Folks that like a tank type feeder (pan of syrup above the inner cover) Check out plastic fish boxes at your local restaurants these are plastic boxes a little smaller than a super that will hold 1-3 gallons of syrup depending on their depth. I get mine for free for the asking. Add syrup and some floats and they work fine. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Mon Feb 22 10:06:01 EST 1999 Article: 15929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36CEF6C2.840C3FD9@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ammonia for propolis References: <36CD7E1C.2B6C4207@bellsouth.net> <19990219210224.21906.00000003@ng-da1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:51:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-214-76-184.atl.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:51:08 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15929 oops! I guess I have to admit I didn't know what a tincture was. Sorry to give my .02 when I didn't know what I was talking about, but what else is new among newsgroups? Just my first time anyway. Sorry. Ignore and proceed. Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > remember reading that ammonia was better for dissolving propolis, and > >when dissolved, it could be painted on the interior of a new hive. Then you > >have to let the ammonia evaporate well before actually using... > > > > NOT FOR TINTCHURE OF PROPOLIS > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!! > > Tinchure is a topical antiseptic that can be used inside the mouth for cold > sores etc.. > It must be made with medical grade alcohol. > Please do not confuse the two. > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively > by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. From mdrbees@aol.com Mon Feb 22 10:06:02 EST 1999 Article: 15930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mdrbees@aol.com (MDRbees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Bee clip art Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Feb 1999 18:06:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990220130621.02533.00000451@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15930 Hi.....I'm looking for a site where I can download clip art ( of honey bees and related objects) and make a selection to use on my business letterheads ect. Does anyone out there know of any clip art that's available or software that can be purchased for this purpose. Thanks, Mike at MDRbees@aol.com From honey.road@sympatico.ca Mon Feb 22 10:06:03 EST 1999 Article: 15931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36CE547C.5223999@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage - http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bee clip art References: <19990220130621.02533.00000451@ng-fu1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:21:50 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.168 X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 919534949 206.172.183.168 (Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:22:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:22:29 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15931 Use a Web search engine. I did and found plenty of sites and clip art. Sorry, I didn't save the addresses. Al Bee MDRbees wrote: > Hi.....I'm looking for a site where I can download clip art ( of honey bees and > related objects) and make a selection to use on my business letterheads ect. > Does anyone out there know of any clip art that's available or software that > can be purchased for this purpose. Thanks, Mike at MDRbees@aol.com From mister-t@clinic.net Mon Feb 22 10:06:04 EST 1999 Article: 15932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <36CF36FB.4375CDB1@clinic.net> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:28:11 -0500 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: David Lynes Subject: Re: Ammonia for propolis References: <36CD7E1C.2B6C4207@bellsouth.net> <19990219210224.21906.00000003@ng-da1.aol.com> <36CEF6C2.840C3FD9@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p4-55.clinic.net X-Trace: 20 Feb 1999 17:29:38 -0500, d-p4-55.clinic.net Lines: 46 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!-program!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.156.97.247!news.destek.net!d-p4-55.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15932 David, No big deal. A tincture is actually anything dissolved in something. So you can have a tincture of propolis with the base alcohol, ammonia or whatever. Tincture comes from tint, and tinctures were origionally dyes and later medicines- with alcohol bases. So a tincture of propolis with an ammonia base could be used to tint the inside of a hive. With an alcohol base to tint the inside of a mouth. Both are tinctures of propolis. And just because it has an alcohol base does not make it safe for internal use- tincture of iodine comes to mind. And don't worry about being wrong. Stay around long enough and you will see it is not a miniority viewpoint on a lot of lists, this one of course, excluded. Bill T Bath, ME David Lynes wrote: > > oops! I guess I have to admit I didn't know what a tincture was. Sorry > to give my .02 when I didn't know what I was talking about, but what > else is new among newsgroups? Just my first time anyway. Sorry. Ignore > and proceed. > > Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > > > remember reading that ammonia was better for dissolving propolis, and > > >when dissolved, it could be painted on the interior of a new hive. Then you > > >have to let the ammonia evaporate well before actually using... > > > > > > > NOT FOR TINTCHURE OF PROPOLIS > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > !!!!!!! > > > > Tinchure is a topical antiseptic that can be used inside the mouth for cold > > sores etc.. > > It must be made with medical grade alcohol. > > Please do not confuse the two. > > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > > > Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively > > by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. From harold37@eagnet.com Mon Feb 22 10:06:05 EST 1999 Article: 15933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: plastic fish boxes Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:42:53 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7an6ol$nhh$1@remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.76.207.70 X-Trace: 919543381 YUCTCQXLECF46C74CC usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15933 I need a little better discription of or how they or labeled when shipped to the restruant. It seems my area doesn't use them. From fbates@ihug.co.nz Mon Feb 22 10:06:06 EST 1999 Article: 15934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: fbates@ihug.co.nz (bates) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Malasia/Thailand beekeeping Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:36:20 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 9 Message-ID: <36c0efd2.151423262@news.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14-max50.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.clark.net!204.59.152.222!news-peer.gip.net!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15934 HI All, Sorry this is a bit off topic. I will travelling thru Northern Malaysia & Southern Thailand in June/July, and would like to see something of the local beekeeping scene. Does anyone know where I could find any local beekeeping operations, and also of areas where I would be able to see Apis dorsata? Cheers fbates@ihug.co.nz From Griffes@my-dejanews.com Mon Feb 22 10:06:08 EST 1999 Article: 15935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apimondia '99 - multi-languages Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 04:31:52 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 516 Message-ID: <7ao27o$2vk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.25 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Feb 21 04:31:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x6.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15935 this info forwarded to this forum by: Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ ======forwarded message begins====== Dear Friends, Ten days ago I sent the English version of our most recent press release. The translations in the other official languages are now complete. Unfortunately, I do not seem to be able to transmit the various accents in the body of the text. Each of the translations is also attached as an ASCII text file; I am hopeful that the accents are retained in that way. Please read the text and correct the accents if that remains a problem. I am asking that you send this message to everyone you know associated with the beekeeping industry in some way: beekeepers, queen producers, honey packers, researchers. Apimondia'99 will be of value to all of them! I hope to see you in Vancouver in September! Dr. Gard W. Otis Apimondia'99 Promotion University of Guelph Ontario, Canada ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* Apimondia'99: Communiqu‚ de presse #7: le 14 februari 1999 **************************************************** LES DATES LIMITES D'APIMONDIA'99 APPROCHENT RAPIDEMENT Apimondia'99, "simplement le meilleur congrŠs d'apiculture jamais pr‚sent‚", sera tenu du 12 au 18 septembre … Vancouver. Inscrivez-vous avant le 1er juin et ‚pargnez, tout en garantissant votre participation … ce congrŠs international majeur. Apimondia'99, le 26iŠme congrŠs de la F‚d‚ration Internationale des Associations d'Apiculture, s'annonce remarquable. Les pr‚parations pour le congrŠs sont presque termin‚es, et jusqu'… maintenant prŠs de 200 conf‚renciers ont confirm‚ leur pr‚sence. ApiExpo'99, la plus grande exposition de ce genre, a jusqu'… maintenant attir‚ plus de 70 exposants repr‚sentant 25 pays. Le site du CongrŠs, le Centre du Commerce Mondial et des CongrŠs de Vancouver, offre des installations de premier ordre au centre-ville de Vancouver, une ville renomm‚e mondialement pour ses attraits touristiques. Ne manquez pas Apimondia'99! La deuxiŠme circulaire du congrŠs est maintenant disponible - en anglais, fran‡ais, espagnol et allemand. Elle contient les d‚tails et les formulaires pour l'inscription au congrŠs, les r‚servations d'h“tels, la pr‚sentation de communications scientifiques, les concours et les tours offerts. La deuxiŠme circulaire peut ˆtre consult‚e et obtenue au site internet du congrŠs: . Les formulaires peuvent aussi ˆtre obtenus en envoyant votre nom et adresse …: Apimondia'99, c/o Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water Street, Vancouver, BC, Canada, V6B 5C6, ou par email …: congress@venuewest.com. Plusieurs emplacements de kiosque sont encore disponibles … ApiExpo'99, mais ils s'envolent rapidement. Si vous n'avez pas encore r‚serv‚ un espace, visitez notre site internet pour plus de renseignements. Vous pouvez aussi contacter Paul van Westendorp, Coordinateur ApiExpo'99, 1767 Angus Campbell Road, Abbotsford, BC, Canada, V3G 2M3; paul.vanwestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca; tel: (604) 556-3129; Fax: (604) 556-3030. Dates limites: Pr‚-inscription (25% r‚duction) 1er juin R‚servations d'h“tel 1er juin (selon disponibilit‚) Concours 1er juin Tours pr‚- et post-conf‚rence 1er juillet (CroisiŠre en Alaska, 28 f‚vrier) ApiExpo'99 selon la disponibilit‚ S.V.P., notez que l'inscription au congrŠs est obligatoire pour qu'une communication scientifique ou une inscription … un concours soit accept‚. Inscrivez-vous dŠs maintenant! Participez au meilleur congrŠs d'apiculture jamais tenu et profitez des prix sp‚ciaux en vous inscrivant avant le 1er juin. ******************************************************************** ******************************************************************** Apimondia'99 Press Release #7: 14 February, 1999 ************************************************* STICHTAGE FUER ANMELDUNGEN ZUR APIMONDIA'99 KOMMEN NAEHER Die Apimondia'99, "ganz einfach die beste Imkererei Veranstaltung die es je gegeben hat," wird vom 12. bis 18. September 1999 in Vancouver statt finden. Wenn Sie bevor dem 1. Juni registrieren, sparen Sie Geld und Ihre Teilnahme an diesem wichtigen internationalen Kongress ist Ihnen garantiert. Die Apimondia'99, der 36. igste Kongress der 'International Federation of Beekeepers Associations' wird ein grossartiges Ereignis werden. Die Vorbereitungen sind nahe zu abgeschlossen und mehr als 200 Vortraege sind registriert. Die ApiExpo'99, die groesste Imkerei Messe weltweit, hat bereits Zusagen von ueber 70 Aussteller aus 25 Laendern. Das Vancouver Trade and Convention Centre, der Veranstaltungsort des Kongressess, bietet ausgezeichnete Moeglichkeiten im Herzen von Vancouver, einer Stadt mit vielen interessanten, touristischen Punkte. Sie wollen die Apimondia'99 nicht vermissen! The zweite Rundschreiben ist fuer sie bereit--in Englisch, Franzoesisch, Spanisch, und Deutsch. Es beinhaltet Details und Formulare fuer Kongress Registration, Hotel Reservierungen, eingereichte Beitraege, Antragsformular fuer Den Wettbewerb der Apimondia'99 und Kongresstouren . Das zweite Rundschreiben kann auf der Kongress website (www.apimondia99.ca) besucht werden. Sie koennen Antragsformulare auch schriftlich bei : Apimondia'99, c/o Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water Street, Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6, oder per e-mail anfordern: congress@venuewest.com. Die internationale ApiExpo '99, Ausstellung und Verkaufsmesse von Imkereiprodukten und Ausruestungsgegenst aenden, hat noch Plaetze frei. Firmen oder Personen, die eine Standflaeche auf der ApiExpo '99 mieten wollen, wenden sich bitte an: Paul van Westendorp, ApiExpo'99 Coordinator, 1767 Angus Campbell Road, Abbotsford, BC, Canada, V3G 2M3; paul.vanwestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca; Tel: 604-556-3129; FAX: 604-556-3030, oder besuchen sie uns auf dem Internet. Nahende Stichtage sind: Fruehe Registrierung (25% Einsparung) 1. Juni Hotel Reservierungen 1. Juni Wettbewerb 1. Juni Kongress Touren 1. Juli (Alaska Cruise 28. Februar) ApiExpo: beruht auf Platzmoeglichkeiten Bitte beruecksichtigen Sie, dass Sie erst fuer den Kongress registrieren muessen bevor eingereichte beitraege und Wettbewerbs Antraege beruecksichtigt werden koennen. Registrieren sie jetzt! Wenn Sie bis spaetestens dem 1. Juni registrieren, sparen Sie Geld und Ihre Teilnahme an diesem wichtigen internationalen Kongress ist Ihnen garantiert! ***************************************************************** ***************************************************************** Apimondia'99--Comunicado de prensa #7: 14 de febrero de 1999 ************************************************* PROXIMAS FECHAS LIMITE PARA APIMONDIA'99 Apimondia'99, "simplemente la mejor reuni¢n ap¡cola que se haya llevado a cabo" tendr  lugar del 12 al 18 de Septiembre en Vancouver. Registr ndose antes del 1o de Junio le permitir  ahorrar dinero y garantizar su participaci¢n en este magno congreso international. Apimondia'99, el 36o Congreso de la Federaci¢n Internacional de Asociaciones de Apicultores, ser  un evento fant stico. Los preparativos para el congreso est n casi listos y m s de 200 ponentes ya han confirmado su participaci¢n. ApiExpo'99, la exhibici¢n comercial ap¡cola m s grande en su tipo, ha atra¡do el compromiso de 70 participantes representando 25 pa¡ses. El local del congreso, el Centro de Convenciones y Negocios de Vancouver, en el centro de la ciudad ofrece instalaciones que han sido motivo de premios y distinciones. Vancuover es una ciudad internacionalmente reconocida por sus oportunidades tur¡sticas. Tomando en cuenta lo anterior, usted no desear  perderse Apimondia'99. La segunda circular para el congreso ya est  disponible en Ingl‚s, Franc‚s, Espanol y Alem n. Dicha circular proporciona la informaci¢n y los formatos para registrarse a la convenci¢n, reservar hoteles, someter presentaciones, participaci¢n en competencias y los viajes pre y post-conferencia. La segunda circular se puede obtener en el sitio de internet del congreso: . Los formatos tambi‚n se pueden obtener enviando su nombre y direcci¢n a: Apimondia'99, c/o Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water Street, Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6, ¢ por correo electr¢nico: congress@venuewest.com. A£n quedan algunos espacios disponibles para las presentaciones y exhibiciones en ApiExpo'99, pero se estan rentando muy r pido. Si a£n no ha reservado su espacio y desea obtener mayor informaci¢n, favor de visitar el sitio de internet del congreso. Alternativamente, puede contactar al Sr. Paul van Westendorp, ApiExpo'99 Coordinator, 1767 Angus Campbell Road, Abbotsford, BC, Canada, V3G 2M3; ¢ a traves de su correo electr¢nico a la siguiente direcci¢n: paul.vanwestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca; ¢ llamando al Tel: 604-556-3129; FAX: 604-556-3030. Las fechas l¡mite m s pr¢ximas son: Registro anticipado (25% de ahorro) Junio 1o Reservaciones de hotel Junio 1o (Su seleci¢n depender  de la disponibilidad) Concursos Junio 1o Viajes Pre y Postconferencia Julio 1o (Crucero a Alaska Feb. 28) ApiExpo: dependiendo de la disponibilidad de espacio Favor de tomar nota de que es requisito registrarse para el congreso, antes de que sus ponencias e inscripciones para las competencias sean aceptadas. Act£e ahora! Reg¡strese antes del 1o de Junio, aprovechando los descuentos del registro anticipado, y participe en el mejor de los congresos ap¡colas que se haya llevado a cabo. ************************************************************** ************************************************************** Apimondia'99 Press Release #7: 14 February, 1999 ************************************************* DEADLINE DATES FOR APIMONDIA'99 RAPIDLY APPROACHING Apimondia'99, "quite simply, the best beekeeper meeting ever held," will take place this September 12-18 in Vancouver. Registering before June 1st will save you money and guarantee your participation in this major international congress. Apimondia'99, the 36th Congress of the International Federation of Beekeepers Association, will be a fantastic event. Preparations for the congress are nearly completed, and already more than 200 speakers have confirmed their participation. ApiExpo'99, the largest beekeeping trade show of its kind, has already attracted commitments from 70 displayers representing 25 countries. The site of the congress, the Vancouver Trade and Convention Centre, offers an award-winning facility in downtown Vancouver, a city recognized internationally for tourist opportunities. You do not want to miss Apimondia'99! The 2nd circular for the congress is now available--in English, French, Spanish, and German. It provides details and forms for convention registration, hotel reservations, submitted presentations, contest entries, and pre- and post-conference tours. The 2nd Circular can be obtained from the congress website: . Forms also can be obtained by sending your name and address to: Apimondia'99, c/o Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water Street, Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6, or by e-mail to: congress@venuewest.com. Display and exhibitor space in ApiExpo'99 is still available, but is being rented quickly. If you have not yet reserved your space, please visit the congress website for details. Alternatively you may contact Paul van Westendorp, ApiExpo'99 Coordinator, 1767 Angus Campbell Road, Abbotsford, BC, Canada, V3G 2M3; paul.vanwestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca; Tel: 604-556-3129; FAX: 604-556-3030. Approaching deadline dates are: Early registration (25% savings) 1 June Hotel reservations 1 June (Choice dependent on availability) Contests 1 June Pre- and Post-Conference Tours 1 July (Alaska Cruise by Feb. 28th) ApiExpo: dependent on availability of space Please note that congress registration is required before submitted papers and contest entries can be accepted. Act now! Take steps to participate in the best beekeeping congress ever held, and take advantage of early registration discounts before June 1st. ******************************************************************** Apimondia'99: Communiqu‚ de presse #7: le 14 februari 1999 **************************************************** LES DATES LIMITES D'APIMONDIA'99 APPROCHENT RAPIDEMENT Apimondia'99, "simplement le meilleur congrŠs d'apiculture jamais pr‚sent‚", sera tenu du 12 au 18 septembre … Vancouver. Inscrivez-vous avant le 1er juin et ‚pargnez, tout en garantissant votre participation … ce congrŠs international majeur. Apimondia'99, le 26iŠme congrŠs de la F‚d‚ration Internationale des Associations d'Apiculture, s'annonce remarquable. Les pr‚parations pour le congrŠs sont presque termin‚es, et jusqu'… maintenant prŠs de 200 conf‚renciers ont confirm‚ leur pr‚sence. ApiExpo'99, la plus grande exposition de ce genre, a jusqu'… maintenant attir‚ plus de 70 exposants repr‚sentant 25 pays. Le site du CongrŠs, le Centre du Commerce Mondial et des CongrŠs de Vancouver, offre des installations de premier ordre au centre-ville de Vancouver, une ville renomm‚e mondialement pour ses attraits touristiques. Ne manquez pas Apimondia'99! La deuxiŠme circulaire du congrŠs est maintenant disponible - en anglais, fran‡ais, espagnol et allemand. Elle contient les d‚tails et les formulaires pour l'inscription au congrŠs, les r‚servations d'h“tels, la pr‚sentation de communications scientifiques, les concours et les tours offerts. La deuxiŠme circulaire peut ˆtre consult‚e et obtenue au site internet du congrŠs: . Les formulaires peuvent aussi ˆtre obtenus en envoyant votre nom et adresse …: Apimondia'99, c/o Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water Street, Vancouver, BC, Canada, V6B 5C6, ou par email …: congress@venuewest.com. Plusieurs emplacements de kiosque sont encore disponibles … ApiExpo'99, mais ils s'envolent rapidement. Si vous n'avez pas encore r‚serv‚ un espace, visitez notre site internet pour plus de renseignements. Vous pouvez aussi contacter Paul van Westendorp, Coordinateur ApiExpo'99, 1767 Angus Campbell Road, Abbotsford, BC, Canada, V3G 2M3; paul.vanwestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca; tel: (604) 556-3129; Fax: (604) 556-3030. Dates limites: Pr‚-inscription (25% r‚duction) 1er juin R‚servations d'h“tel 1er juin (selon disponibilit‚) Concours 1er juin Tours pr‚- et post-conf‚rence 1er juillet (CroisiŠre en Alaska, 28 f‚vrier) ApiExpo'99 selon la disponibilit‚ S.V.P., notez que l'inscription au congrŠs est obligatoire pour qu'une communication scientifique ou une inscription … un concours soit accept‚. Inscrivez-vous dŠs maintenant! Participez au meilleur congrŠs d'apiculture jamais tenu et profitez des prix sp‚ciaux en vous inscrivant avant le 1er juin. Apimondia'99 Press Release #7: 14 Februar, 1999 ************************************************* STICHTAGE FUER ANMELDUNGEN ZUR APIMONDIA'99 KOMMEN NAEHER Die Apimondia'99, "ganz einfach die beste Imkererei Veranstaltung die es je gegeben hat," wird vom 12. bis 18. September 1999 in Vancouver statt finden. Wenn Sie bevor dem 1. Juni registrieren, sparen Sie Geld und Ihre Teilnahme an diesem wichtigen internationalen Kongress ist Ihnen garantiert. Die Apimondia'99, der 36. igste Kongress der 'International Federation of Beekeepers Associations' wird ein grossartiges Ereignis werden. Die Vorbereitungen sind nahe zu abgeschlossen und mehr als 200 Vortraege sind registriert. Die ApiExpo'99, die groesste Imkerei Messe weltweit, hat bereits Zusagen von ueber 70 Aussteller aus 25 Laendern. Das Vancouver Trade and Convention Centre, der Veranstaltungsort des Kongressess, bietet ausgezeichnete Moeglichkeiten im Herzen von Vancouver, einer Stadt mit vielen interessanten, touristischen Punkte. Sie wollen die Apimondia'99 nicht vermissen! The zweite Rundschreiben ist fuer sie bereit--in Englisch, Franzoesisch, Spanisch, und Deutsch. Es beinhaltet Details und Formulare fuer Kongress Registration, Hotel Reservierungen, eingereichte Beitraege, Antragsformular fuer Den Wettbewerb der Apimondia'99 und Kongresstouren . Das zweite Rundschreiben kann auf der Kongress website (www.apimondia99.ca) besucht werden. Sie koennen Antragsformulare auch schriftlich bei : Apimondia'99, c/o Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water Street, Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6, oder per e-mail anfordern: congress@venuewest.com. Die internationale ApiExpo '99, Ausstellung und Verkaufsmesse von Imkereiprodukten und Ausruestungsgegenst aenden, hat noch Plaetze frei. Firmen oder Personen, die eine Standflaeche auf der ApiExpo '99 mieten wollen, wenden sich bitte an: Paul van Westendorp, ApiExpo'99 Coordinator, 1767 Angus Campbell Road, Abbotsford, BC, Canada, V3G 2M3; paul.vanwestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca; Tel: 604-556-3129; FAX: 604-556-3030, oder besuchen sie uns auf dem Internet. Nahende Stichtage sind: Fruehe Registrierung (25% Einsparung) 1. Juni Hotel Reservierungen 1. Juni Wettbewerb 1. Juni Kongress Touren 1. Juli (Alaska Cruise 28. Februar) ApiExpo: beruht auf Platzmoeglichkeiten Bitte beruecksichtigen Sie, dass Sie erst fuer den Kongress registrieren muessen bevor eingereichte beitraege und Wettbewerbs Antraege beruecksichtigt werden koennen. Registrieren sie jetzt! Wenn Sie bis spaetestens dem 1. Juni registrieren, sparen Sie Geld und Ihre Teilnahme an diesem wichtigen internationalen Kongress ist Ihnen garantiert! Apimondia'99--Comunicado de prensa #7: 14 de febrero de 1999 ************************************************* PROXIMAS FECHAS LIMITE PARA APIMONDIA'99 Apimondia'99, "simplemente la mejor reuni¢n ap¡cola que se haya llevado a cabo" tendr  lugar del 12 al 18 de Septiembre en Vancouver. Registr ndose antes del 1o de Junio le permitir  ahorrar dinero y garantizar su participaci¢n en este magno congreso international. Apimondia'99, el 36o Congreso de la Federaci¢n Internacional de Asociaciones de Apicultores, ser  un evento fant stico. Los preparativos para el congreso est n casi listos y m s de 200 ponentes ya han confirmado su participaci¢n. ApiExpo'99, la exhibici¢n comercial ap¡cola m s grande en su tipo, ha atra¡do el compromiso de 70 participantes representando 25 pa¡ses. El local del congreso, el Centro de Convenciones y Negocios de Vancouver, en el centro de la ciudad ofrece instalaciones que han sido motivo de premios y distinciones. Vancuover es una ciudad internacionalmente reconocida por sus oportunidades tur¡sticas. Tomando en cuenta lo anterior, usted no desear  perderse Apimondia'99. La segunda circular para el congreso ya est  disponible en Ingl‚s, Franc‚s, Espanol y Alem n. Dicha circular proporciona la informaci¢n y los formatos para registrarse a la convenci¢n, reservar hoteles, someter presentaciones, participaci¢n en competencias y los viajes pre y post-conferencia. La segunda circular se puede obtener en el sitio de internet del congreso: . Los formatos tambi‚n se pueden obtener enviando su nombre y direcci¢n a: Apimondia'99, c/o Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water Street, Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6, ¢ por correo electr¢nico: congress@venuewest.com. A£n quedan algunos espacios disponibles para las presentaciones y exhibiciones en ApiExpo'99, pero se estan rentando muy r pido. Si a£n no ha reservado su espacio y desea obtener mayor informaci¢n, favor de visitar el sitio de internet del congreso. Alternativamente, puede contactar al Sr. Paul van Westendorp, ApiExpo'99 Coordinator, 1767 Angus Campbell Road, Abbotsford, BC, Canada, V3G 2M3; ¢ a traves de su correo electr¢nico a la siguiente direcci¢n: paul.vanwestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca; ¢ llamando al Tel: 604-556-3129; FAX: 604-556-3030. Las fechas l¡mite m s pr¢ximas son: Registro anticipado (25% de ahorro) Junio 1o Reservaciones de hotel Junio 1o (Su seleci¢n depender  de la disponibilidad) Concursos Junio 1o Viajes Pre y Postconferencia Julio 1o (Crucero a Alaska Feb. 28) ApiExpo: dependiendo de la disponibilidad de espacio Favor de tomar nota de que es requisito registrarse para el congreso, antes de que sus ponencias e inscripciones para las competencias sean aceptadas. Act£e ahora! Reg¡strese antes del 1o de Junio, aprovechando los descuentos del registro anticipado, y participe en el mejor de los congresos ap¡colas que se haya llevado a cabo. Apimondia'99 Press Release #7: 14 February, 1999 ************************************************* DEADLINE DATES FOR APIMONDIA'99 RAPIDLY APPROACHING Apimondia'99, "quite simply, the best beekeeper meeting ever held," will take place this September 12-18 in Vancouver. Registering before June 1st will save you money and guarantee your participation in this major international congress. Apimondia'99, the 36th Congress of the International Federation of Beekeepers Association, will be a fantastic event. Preparations for the congress are nearly completed, and already more than 200 speakers have confirmed their participation. ApiExpo'99, the largest beekeeping trade show of its kind, has already attracted commitments from 70 displayers representing 25 countries. The site of the congress, the Vancouver Trade and Convention Centre, offers an award-winning facility in downtown Vancouver, a city recognized internationally for tourist opportunities. You do not want to miss Apimondia'99! The 2nd circular for the congress is now available--in English, French, Spanish, and German. It provides details and forms for convention registration, hotel reservations, submitted presentations, contest entries, and pre- and post-conference tours. The 2nd Circular can be obtained from the congress website: . Forms also can be obtained by sending your name and address to: Apimondia'99, c/o Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water Street, Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6, or by e-mail to: congress@venuewest.com. Display and exhibitor space in ApiExpo'99 is still available, but is being rented quickly. If you have not yet reserved your space, please visit the congress website for details. Alternatively you may contact Paul van Westendorp, ApiExpo'99 Coordinator, 1767 Angus Campbell Road, Abbotsford, BC, Canada, V3G 2M3; paul.vanwestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca; Tel: 604-556-3129; FAX: 604-556-3030. Approaching deadline dates are: Early registration (25% savings) 1 June Hotel reservations 1 June (Choice dependent on availability) Contests 1 June Pre- and Post-Conference Tours 1 July (Alaska Cruise by Feb. 28th) ApiExpo: dependent on availability of space Please note that congress registration is required before submitted papers and contest entries can be accepted. Act now! Take steps to participate in the best beekeeping congress ever held, and take advantage of early registration discounts before June 1st. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From dwheeler@adnc.com Mon Feb 22 10:06:10 EST 1999 Article: 15936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.251.228.57!news.adnc.com!not-for-mail From: "Veridian" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarming Behavior Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:09:53 -0800 Organization: Sierra Del Mar Information Technology Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7ao7gp$b11$1@hops.adnc.com> Reply-To: "Veridian" NNTP-Posting-Host: adnline221-195.adnc.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15936 With apologies in advance for what may be a question with an obvious answer...do bees swarm at night? Or, if there is a hive nearby (say, maybe in the roof of a nearby house) would any droning sounds be audible at night? Rather Concerned, dwheeler@adnc.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Feb 22 10:06:11 EST 1999 Article: 15937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bt control of wax moths Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Feb 1999 12:04:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7fegTJA8dLw2Ew2J@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990210070456.21225.00000005@ng114.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15937 >Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) for control of wax moths? >Try Thornes. I'm prteety sure that's the stuff marketed as 'Certan' > >-- >Tom S > > Pardon my ighn. about things cross the big water, but can't ya'll get Moth balls ( paradichlorobenzene ) Or is this BT something used inside a live hive ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Feb 22 10:06:12 EST 1999 Article: 15938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic fish boxes Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Feb 1999 14:57:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7an6ol$nhh$1@remarQ.com> Message-ID: <19990221095711.19328.00001076@ng121.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15938 They are made in Canada by Ropak and are #2 plastic. Kind of like cheap version of tupperware. They have lids but I didn't get any. They fit inside a super with about an inch of room left on every side. Filets come to the restaurants here in them but it might be only fresh fish. If you are getting only frozen fish in your neck of the woods they probably pack in something else. Various depths- I think the shallow ones has scallops. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From allend@internode.net Sun Feb 28 07:50:38 EST 1999 Article: 15948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: allend@internode.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New beekeeping Site Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:31:19 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7auhk7$f7b$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7aso5n$rk2$1@news1.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Feb 23 15:31:19 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0b2; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x16.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.186 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15948 > Many links, small ads, the world of bees, Belgian Beekeeping Magazine, > Golden book... > http://users.skynet.be/urrw Just to add to this thread, there are many changes at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ including new pictures of syrup feeding machines and pollination in Southern Alberta. Of course the free classified bee ads go on and on. I've just gotta clean that page up. One of those days :) Allen -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Feb 28 07:50:39 EST 1999 Article: 15949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Feb 1999 20:57:05 GMT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Subject: Coumaphas approved for North Carolina Message-ID: <19990223155705.21911.00001487@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15949 As of 2:00 pm Feb 23 Coumaphas has been approved for use in NC Brushy Mountain still has it on back order ( coming from Mann Lake ) Thank You Lord !!!!!!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. From Griffes@my-dejanews.com Sun Feb 28 07:50:39 EST 1999 Article: 15950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clipping a Queen Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:06:39 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7aug5o$dvn$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <36d17a9c.0@news.clover.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.22 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Feb 23 15:06:39 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x16.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15950 In article <36d17a9c.0@news.clover.net>, "Bob" wrote: > I was told that clipping a queen was not good as other bees might think it > is wounded or damaged and might try to kill her and requeen. How much truth > is there is that happening? Don't have a study to quote to tell ya exactly. Of course to actually find out the answer via a study would be no small undertaking. I wonder if one ever has been done?? Anecdotally - I have clipped hundreds of queens - both naturally mated and artificially inseminated. And I have not "noticed" an increased supersedure rate due to this clipping. Again anecdotally we have had some AI queens last two years in full size colonies and ALL the AI queens get clipped and tagged or marked with Orange (our AI "lost tag" color). The idea in clipping is simply to impair flying ability via unbalancing wing area - meaning you just snip approx. 25%-33% of the wing area off the end of one set of wings - ya don't cut it down to a mere stub. Thus wings on one side are complete - other side has reduced wing area - rendering sustained flight something more than difficult. Take off just the very tip of wing and they still can fly because they ain't unbalanced enough. We also use the clipping to tell if it is a "odd year" or "even year" queen - left is odd - right is even. Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Sun Feb 28 07:50:40 EST 1999 Article: 15951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tac tic and tounge depressers Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:41:02 GMT Organization: Or Chaos: You Choose Message-ID: <36d45a9d.13192440@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <19990221190040.23943.00001703@ng98.aol.com> <182EF965DS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-214.dial.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 24 Feb 1999 20:42:05 GMT, ppp47-214.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 17 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!195.112.4.37.MISMATCH!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-214.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15951 On Wed, 24 Feb 99 10:41:30 EST, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: >In article <19990221190040.23943.00001703@ng98.aol.com> >mdrbees@aol.com (MDRbees) writes: > >> >> wooden tounge depressers Speculum. >it is speculated spooky! -- kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk From mdrbees@aol.com Sun Feb 28 07:50:41 EST 1999 Article: 15952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mdrbees@aol.com (MDRbees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tac tic and tounge depressers Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Feb 1999 23:55:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990221190040.23943.00001703@ng98.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990224185526.23523.00002925@ng115.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15952 Thankyou for all the input. Just because someone has a desire to learn about a treatment they have heard about dosen't mean they plan to use it. I would never intentionally hurt my bees. I thought learning about new things was what this site was all about. Everyone should lighten up a little..... Thanks again, Mike From molly.drummond@gte.net Sun Feb 28 07:50:42 EST 1999 Article: 15953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!worldfeed.news.gte.net!not-for-mail From: "Molly Drummond" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: brand new ti bee-keeping Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 06:40:30 -0500 Organization: gte.net Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7b21oq$g3u$1@news-2.news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v3-p-8.valley.net X-Auth: D40FC2035BC3DC9F13D58491 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15953 What advice would you give to a person in vermont just starting out with a couple of packages of bees and reading all I can...I'm starting to get scarred with all these notices of their bees dying. and all these diseases!!! Molly From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Feb 28 07:50:42 EST 1999 Article: 15954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clover? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Feb 1999 00:01:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36d43b7a.0@news.clover.net> Message-ID: <19990224190113.23722.00002731@ng116.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15954 >What types of clover do bees like? I am putting in some pasture and was >wondering what type of clover to mix. > >Thanks! > Ladino, white dutch in particular Buck wheat is also a good en but that white dutch is the bestest Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. From skies7@email.msn.com Sun Feb 28 07:50:43 EST 1999 Article: 15955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "skies7" Subject: Honey Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:57:16 -0500 Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust251.tnt14.nyc3.da.uu.net [153.37.142.251] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews03 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15955 Dear Sir. I am looking of natural honey suppliers can you provide me with any links or information to the USA,China,and Argentina links or suppliers. Any information will be greatly appreciated Skies7@msn.com Thank you Yehia From awcannon@globalnet.co.uk Sun Feb 28 07:50:44 EST 1999 Article: 15956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!aruba.odu.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!cnn.nas.nasa.gov!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: awcannon@globalnet.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devon Beekeepers' Association Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:37:13 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7asim9$qbg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <9xFq2.10$GR5.23@news.enterprise.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.210.19 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Feb 22 21:37:13 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x7.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 195.147.210.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15956 In article <9xFq2.10$GR5.23@news.enterprise.net>, "Adrian Kyte" wrote: > A note to all members of the DBKA. I am currently putting the 1999 DBKA > Yearbook together. If you want an Email address added along with your name > and address send me a message, privately rather than via the user group with > your name, branch and Email address. > > My address is adrian@beeman.enterprise-plc.com > please include following e mail address, tks. > a w cannon. Northern Branch dbka. e-mail address. awcannon@globalnet.co.uk. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From adamf@vt.edu Sun Feb 28 07:50:45 EST 1999 Article: 15957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tac tic and tounge depressers Date: 25 Feb 1999 06:21:22 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7b2q52$m4s$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19990221190040.23943.00001703@ng98.aol.com> <19990224185526.23523.00002925@ng115.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port3.annex4.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15957 In article <19990224185526.23523.00002925@ng115.aol.com>, MDRbees wrote: >Thankyou for all the input. Just because someone has a desire to learn about a >treatment they have heard about dosen't mean they plan to use it. I would never >intentionally hurt my bees. I thought learning about new things was what this >site was all about. Everyone should lighten up a little..... You received a severe response because some beekeepers continually *do* perform management techniques that although effective temporarily (read: a couple of seasons) damage their local honey bee populations over time (annal). The response you received was actually pretty civil. I hope you have learned something and that you continue to learn from reading and asking questions here. This is a Usenet newsgroup by the way and although is not a "site" as you say, it may be read from a "site". How are people's hives looking? Here in Mid-Atlantic-South-Central USA, hives were strong, filled with pollen and some even had hatched drones. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sun Feb 28 07:50:45 EST 1999 Article: 15958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tac tic and tounge depressers Date: Wed, 24 Feb 99 10:41:30 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <182EF965DS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19990221190040.23943.00001703@ng98.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15958 In article <19990221190040.23943.00001703@ng98.aol.com> mdrbees@aol.com (MDRbees) writes: > >Hi, Does anyone have any experience using wooden tounge depressers soaked in a >soultion of tac tic for mite control. the formula and any result you can >share would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike Try contacting beekeepers in Italy where it is speculated that this precise practice led to quick resistence to fluvalinate. Aaron Morris - thinking there's no sense following instructions when somebody else is just gonna screw it up! From mcgarryt@westelcom.com Sun Feb 28 07:50:46 EST 1999 Article: 15959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!-program!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!WCG!kiowa.exodus.net!209.185.64.21.MISMATCH!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "mcgarryt" Subject: alternative treatments for mites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: h4-60.westelcom.com/208.148.53.124 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 8 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 02:46:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.185.64.202 X-Complaints-To: abuse@talkway.com X-Trace: c01read02.service.talkway.com 919997204 209.185.64.202 (Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:46:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:46:44 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15959 Back in the January issue of Bee Culture I came across an add for a product called " Herbal Bee Calm" (formerly called "mite solution". The product was developed and is used in parts of WA state. Does anyone have any experience with this treatment? -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email -- always at Talkway. From adameden@ipa.net Sun Feb 28 07:50:47 EST 1999 Article: 15960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "R & S Adams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: one or two Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:19:38 -0600 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7b4srt$2os$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-4-136.jopl.ipa.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15960 I was wondering how other beekeepers feel about one brood box or two? Some pros and cons would bee nice R.P. Adams From honey.road@sympatico.ca Sun Feb 28 07:50:47 EST 1999 Article: 15961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36D638EB.D50C8E91@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protecting hive References: <4VnB2.8984$po.3923@c01read02.service.talkway.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:02:20 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.43 X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 920005518 206.172.183.43 (Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:05:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:05:18 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15961 Hi there, I am in te same situation as you daughter. Check my website for the fence I have set up and some of the requirments for Bears. Their is also a link in the information part of my homepage to a electric fence supplier, which has all the info you will ever require on the subject, aswell as descent prices. Al. B. jmichaelr wrote: > My daughter is moving onto a mountain tract in western NC. She wants > to move her hive onto the property, but has found some bear tracks on > the property. Is there a way to electrically fence in the hive to keep > bears from raiding it? Is there some other way to protect the hive? > -- > Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com > Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email -- always at Talkway. From adamf@vt.edu Sun Feb 28 07:50:48 EST 1999 Article: 15962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: one or two Date: 26 Feb 1999 06:40:19 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <7b5fkk$pnm$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7b4srt$2os$1@news.ipa.net> <01be6151$d43a7a40$1ba302d0@newuser> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port8.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15962 In article <01be6151$d43a7a40$1ba302d0@newuser>, KL <40099@utech.net> wrote: > I do a lot of pollinating with my hives and even though the two deeps are >a pain to move, go with them. The one deep hives seem to abscond a lot more >than the two deep hives. This year Im going with eight frames in the brood >boxes to increase circulation, and doing this i have to go at least two >deep. We'll see how it goes. > How you "run" your bees in boxes depends on where they are, how they over-winter, and how much pollen is available to them in the Spring... In Virginia, the more southernly warmer hives are over-wintered in a deep body and then a medium. Or a deep body and a shallow. Cooler, colder climes use two deep bodies, as per the typical "Northern" beekeeping management protocol. I'm in an area that's cold in the Winter but warms up quickly so I like to over winter in three medium depth supers: two for the brood nest and one jammed full of honey. Around now (range from mid Feb.- March) these bees will be in the middle medium laying up into the top medium. A beekeeper in the Shenandoah Valley calls this "egging up." "Good, she's egging up." If there's enough honey left in the top medium, I'll quickly reverse the order so that there is brood, honey and empty in three mediums. If there isn't enough honey I'll replace the empty with another full medium super to make brood, partially full super with mixed brood and honey, and lastly new honey super. (A plus with this method too is that the frames are All THE SAME SIZE, yay!). Keeping extra "feed" supers around is a very good way to feed your bees in the Spring if they need it, and you have the room. I try not to have to feed bees in the Spring by selecting bees that over-winter frugally and by leaving them enough honey in the Fall. Sometimes however, like this Winter, some hives make brood instead of clustering, and need extra honey stores. Compare and contrast the beekeeper's overwintering techniques near you and see what they do. A side note: keep your eyes and ears open: new methodologies and techniques are on the way for selecting Varroa tolerant bees. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From honeybs@radix.net Sun Feb 28 07:50:49 EST 1999 Article: 15963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alternative treatments for mites Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:12:36 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7b63q6$514$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: port2.annex4.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15963 "mcgarryt" wrote: >Back in the January issue of Bee Culture I came across an add for a >product called " Herbal Bee Calm" (formerly called "mite solution". The >product was developed and is used in parts of WA state. Does anyone >have any experience with this treatment? I haven't used that product personally but a fellow beekeeper did. It seems that it knocked the mites down somewhat but overall it was not effective. I use the following with pretty good results: To a 4 oz. jar of thymol add 1/2 oz of menthol and 1/2 oz of camphor. Then fill the jar to within 1/2 inch of the top with eucaliptis oil. Allow to stand in the sun until disolved. This takes a day. I buy the cheap foam sponges at the dollar store (10/$1) and cut them in half. They are dipped in the solution and squeesed out. One sponge is placed under the inner cover along with the menthol packet every fall. All of the above can be obtained through Wall Mart. A fluvalinate treatment is applied in the spring. Rotating treatments is very important on varroa. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From allend@internode.net Sun Feb 28 07:50:49 EST 1999 Article: 15964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: allend@internode.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: one or two Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:13:01 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7b6kmi$g0j$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7b4srt$2os$1@news.ipa.net> <01be6151$d43a7a40$1ba302d0@newuser> <7b5fkk$pnm$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Feb 26 17:13:01 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0b2; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x6.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.186 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15964 FWIW, I am moving more and more to single brood chambers, but be warned, singles can starve very quickly -- unless well managed. And seconds for overwintering should go on the minute the last flow is over if planning to winter on sugar -- or before, if you are going to winter on honey from that last flow. we have run tests comparing performance between singles and double, and the singles make more honey. I used to run a lot of Ross Rounds, and for that IMO, singles are the only way to go. > A side note: keep your eyes and ears open: new methodologies and techniques > are on the way for selecting Varroa tolerant bees. C'mon Adam... Share. Allen Visit a site with lots of pictures of commercial beekeeping in Western Canada http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sun Feb 28 07:50:50 EST 1999 Article: 15965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: one or two Date: 26 Feb 1999 23:12:01 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01be61dd$9f81c060$4d2d480c@default> References: <7b4srt$2os$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.45.77 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15965 More and more, I am convinced that for me the best arrangement is 3 mediums for the brood nest. Much less weight and allow for more creativity in manipulating things. I think this is the year I will do it. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail R & S Adams wrote in article <7b4srt$2os$1@news.ipa.net>... > I was wondering how other beekeepers feel about one brood box or two? Some > pros and cons would bee nice R.P. Adams > > > From pyramid@epix.net Sun Feb 28 07:50:50 EST 1999 Article: 15966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news-xfer.epix.net!news1.epix.net!epix-news From: Pyramid Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: one or two Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:42:09 -0800 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <36D74D70.5BDA@epix.net> References: <7b4srt$2os$1@news.ipa.net> Reply-To: pyramid@epix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: twnd216-37-154ppp242.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15966 After several years of running 2 deeps, I switched to single deeps and have been happy with this arrangement. Yes, I have swarming problems but I had them before. Swarming decreases the more I manipulate the frames within the brood box. Also, each hive goes into the winter with a shallow super full of honey in addition to what is in the single deep. I believe each hive has about 40-50 lbs. of honey stores. I think that the honey production is equal to that of the doubles when I used them but I do not have good enough records to back that up. I went in to the Winter (this is NE PA) with 7 hives including one August swarm. All are still alive but 3 are on short rations and I have begun feeding those three only. Burns From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Feb 28 07:50:51 EST 1999 Article: 15967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in2.uu.net!news1!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clover? Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Feb 1999 02:14:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <182F17445S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Message-ID: <19990226211406.11655.00000708@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15967 > >Yellow, white and dutch. One of the suppliers offers a mix, but I don't >recall who (Kelley?, Brushy Mountain?, brushy has a good mix at a fair price dont forget clover land usually needs lime before planting, and if you're gonna fertilize you wont need any nitrogen( clover fixes it's own ) Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. From kevinmc@telusplanet.net Sun Feb 28 07:50:52 EST 1999 Article: 15968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news1.bellglobal.com!torn!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Westcan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FINANCING Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 01:02:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.40.193 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 920077340 161.184.40.193 (Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:02:20 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:02:20 MDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15968 We at Westcan Business Development Corp. can assist you in any of the following areas, we specialize in the agricultural sector. 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From agriscan@hotmail.com Sun Feb 28 07:50:52 EST 1999 Article: 15969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.59.152.222!news-peer.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!brown.telepac.pt!news.telepac.pt!duke.telepac.pt!news.telepac.pt!not-for-mail From: "João Rocha" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking 4 Links Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 03:23:05 -0000 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7b7oaf$8ij$1@duke.telepac.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.65.206.136 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15969 I'm in a middle of a research for a school and would much apreciate links to web pages of all kind related to the subject of horticulture and any connected topics. Those should refer to: > bolletin boards; > discussion groups; > ministrys; > formation; > research; > enterprises (commerce, industry); > organizations; > other subjects intimaly related. Those sites must contain information from the following 5 countrys: > Belgium; > France; > Italy; > Portugal; > Spain. And not from country's with the same spoken language, i.e. Canada, or Brazil. Colaborating on this, means making part of a very interesting project envolving schools from the above mencioned countrys. Thanks. João Rocha agriscan@hotmail.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Feb 28 07:50:53 EST 1999 Article: 15970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!aruba.odu.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!cnn.nas.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brand new ti bee-keeping Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Feb 1999 23:59:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7b21oq$g3u$1@news-2.news.gte.net> Message-ID: <19990224185946.23722.00002729@ng116.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15970 >What advice would you give to a person in vermont just starting out with >a couple of packages of bees and reading all I can...I'm starting to get >scarred with all these notices of their bees dying. and all these >diseases!!! >Molly READn READn READ YOU'RE on the rite track !!! Hang @ here alot too !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. From bs137588@skynet.be Mon Mar 1 14:07:37 EST 1999 Article: 15971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!skynet.be!poster!not-for-mail From: "FM" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Web Site Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:11:51 +0100 Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7b992l$4sq$1@news1.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup142.namur.skynet.be X-Trace: news1.skynet.be 920135573 5018 195.238.8.142 (27 Feb 1999 17:12:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 1999 17:12:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15971 A new Web page is available about beekeeping in Belgium and in the Walloon region on the site of the Royal Union of Walloon Apiaries (in french and in english). http://users.skynet.be/urrw From michaelc@glenrowan.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 1 14:07:39 EST 1999 Article: 15972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!glenrowan.demon.co.uk!michaelc From: michael charters Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast for beginner? Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:50:14 +0000 Message-ID: References: <36D81D39.7FB4FCF3@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: glenrowan.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: glenrowan.demon.co.uk:212.228.123.88 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 920141549 nnrp-02:29842 NO-IDENT glenrowan.demon.co.uk:212.228.123.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 <$8u7nUg5A3rWWiKXfM44wxhb1X> Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15972 In article <36D81D39.7FB4FCF3@bellsouth.net>, bill_daniels@bellsouth.net writes >Do the characteristics of buckfast bees make them appropriate for a >beginning beekeeper? Are any of the hybrids better for beginners than >regular Italians? I don't think I will want to use any bees that tend >to gum things up with propolis since I will probably be tentative >opening the hive and moving things around anyway. > >Any suggestions? > >Bill Daniels > Dear Bill We are very close to Buckfast. Brother Adam himself listed the primary qualities of a Buckfast bee: 1. Fecundity, 2. Industry, 3. Resistance to disease and 4. Disinclination to swarm. He said the secondary characteristics were: 1. Longevity, 2. Wing power, 3. Keen sense of smell, 4. Instinct of defence at robbing times, 5. Hardiness and wintering ability, 6. Spring development (like now when we have to be feeding our bees pollen patties), 7. Thrift, 8. Instinct to provision for themselves, 9. Comb building, 10. Gathering of pollen. Buckfast bees have all these characteristics. But even though they are just down the road from us I do not have them. As for propolis I do not think you can escape it. You just learn to live with it. Egyptian bees and Carniolan bees are going to be the best for you if it bothers you. -- michael charters From amschelp@pe.net Mon Mar 1 14:07:39 EST 1999 Article: 15973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!-program!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Web Site Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:41:36 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <7b992l$4sq$1@news1.skynet.be> <7b9j2u$d0s$1@camel25.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c1p036.hem.pe.net X-Trace: arlington.pe.net 920151519 19388 216.100.28.236 (27 Feb 1999 21:38:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 1999 21:38:39 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15973 Relax dude, I haven't seen it before and I'm going to go check it out. In article <7b9j2u$d0s$1@camel25.mindspring.com>, pakdad@mindspring.com says... > Will you please stop posting this over and over! > FM wrote in message <7b992l$4sq$1@news1.skynet.be>... > >A new Web page is available about beekeeping in Belgium and in the Walloon > >region on the site of the Royal Union of Walloon Apiaries (in french and in > >english). > > > >http://users.skynet.be/urrw > > > > > > > From bill.greenrose@valley.net Mon Mar 1 14:07:40 EST 1999 Article: 15974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: one or two Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:20:42 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 49 Message-ID: <36D604F9.322AF713@valley.net> References: <7b4srt$2os$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-103.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15974 R & S Adams wrote: > I was wondering how other beekeepers feel about one brood box or two? Some > pros and cons would bee nice R.P. Adams greetings, well, personally, i like three. this is my first winter keeping bees in a 3 deep hive with my other hive currently a 2 deep headed for 3 this year. i have only these limited data points, but the results from observing the two hives side-by-side in my back yard have been interesting. president's day weekend was the first time the temp warmed into the upper 40's to about 50 in these parts [new hampshire] since before christmas, and it was the first opportunity i had to see the girls come out for elimination flights this year. while both colonies appeared to be healthy [and there was much rejoicing] the one in the 3 deep was much larger than the other one. that colony also put up much more in the way of winter stores this past fall. in addition, the colony was active earlier in the day and more active on cooler days in late fall, than the smaller colony. to be fair, the 3 deep colony are buckfast hybrids and the 2 deep are 3 banded italians, so that probably has an effect, as well. on the down side, 3 deeps are more of a pain to work with than 2, require more medication and feed, and take more time, too. but, if you have just a couple of hives, like me, then i think they are definitely worth the additional effort. as a final indication of the vigor of the 3 deep colony [or of buckfast bees, or of the influence of the alignment of the stars] the 3 deep started from a 3 lb. package in may, was requeened and split to start the 2 deep colony in july and produced about 60 lbs. of harvested honey to the 2 deep's 20 lbs. [as well as totally packing the third deep with honey from a late fall feeding schedule] i don't know if the above observations are valid for warmer regions or for other strains of bees, or if they are translatable to the difference that might be observed between a 2 deep and a single deep hive. in reviewing what i just wrote above, i guess i would have to add that, maybe, the 2 month head start that the larger colony had over the smaller colony made all the difference and that you should ignore everything i said. hope this helps and isn't just confusing. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From 40099@utech.net Mon Mar 1 14:07:41 EST 1999 Article: 15975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!marge.eaglequest.com!sienna.impulse.net!127.0.0.1.MISMATCH!news.impulse.net!not-for-mail From: "KL" <40099@utech.net> Subject: Re: one or two Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7b4srt$2os$1@news.ipa.net> Message-ID: <01be6151$d43a7a40$1ba302d0@newuser> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Date: 26 Feb 1999 06:18:14 GMT Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.2.163.27 X-Trace: 920009894 200 (none) 208.2.163.27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15975 I do a lot of pollinating with my hives and even though the two deeps are a pain to move, go with them. The one deep hives seem to abscond a lot more than the two deep hives. This year Im going with eight frames in the brood boxes to increase circulation, and doing this i have to go at least two deep. We'll see how it goes. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Mar 1 14:07:42 EST 1999 Article: 15976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brand new ti bee-keeping Date: Fri, 26 Feb 99 08:09:22 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <182F172B4S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <7b21oq$g3u$1@news-2.news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15976 In article <7b21oq$g3u$1@news-2.news.gte.net> "Molly Drummond" writes: > > What advice would you give to a person in vermont just starting out ... There have already been many good answers to your question. Jack's advice about Kirk Webster is golden. Kirk's bees are tailor made (raised) for your area and his one day workshop is invaluable. One more piece of advice for ANY beginner (not just Vermont) is to seek out, join and attend a local beekeeping association. There is a good list of area beekeeping associations to be found at: http://www.cyberTours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/clubsus.html (thanks Herb!). The only association listed for Vermont is: Vermont Bkprs. Assoc. no address Jim Abair-Pres 802-479-2363 802-793-1195 Vice Pres. 802-462-2013 Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Mar 1 14:07:43 EST 1999 Article: 15977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clover? Date: Fri, 26 Feb 99 08:16:01 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <182F17445S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <36d43b7a.0@news.clover.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15977 In article <36d43b7a.0@news.clover.net> "Bob" writes: > >What types of clover do bees like? I am putting in some pasture and was >wondering what type of clover to mix. > Yellow, white and dutch. One of the suppliers offers a mix, but I don't recall who (Kelley?, Brushy Mountain?, Mann Lake?). However, check your soid first. If you've got clay or acid soil you'll be wasting your time, effort and money. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! >Thanks! > > From tomasmozer@juno.com Mon Mar 1 14:07:44 EST 1999 Article: 15978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!rQdQ!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fw:gardstar for small hive beetle Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 04:58:35 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 25 Message-ID: <36D69A7B.CB4@juno.com> References: <19990223155705.21911.00001487@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: 920041764 OCZ7E7JIA48C D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15978 GardStar® Labeled for Small Hive Beetle: I am in receipt of information that GardStar 40% EC, an emulsifiable concentrate containing 40% permethrin under EPA Reg. No. 39039-8, which has been registered in all 50 states for numerous pest control uses is now approved for for small hive beetle. It may be used any time of year as needed by sprinkler can application to the ground in front of bee hives and by low-pressure spray application to apiary grounds for pest cleanup prior to hive placement. The product is packaged in 4 fl. oz. bottles with a 15-ml self-dispensing chamber that is graduated in 2.5 ml increments for easy mixing. Permethrin is toxic to bees by contact and so care must be taken that colonies are not at risk during application. Again, as with all pesticides, the product must be used according to label instructions. =============================================================================== Dr. Malcolm (Tom) Sanford, Extension Apiculturist, University of Florida Bldg. 970, P.O. Box 110620, Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Ph. 352/392-1801 ext. 143 Fax 352/392-0190 E-mail: mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Publisher of the APIS newsletter: http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm To electronically subscribe, send the following to listserv@lists.ufl.edu: subscribe Apis-L First Name Last Name ================================================================================ From tomasmozer@juno.com Mon Mar 1 14:07:44 EST 1999 Article: 15979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQdQ!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fw: Formic Acid Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 05:13:59 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 88 Message-ID: <36D69E17.1C6E@juno.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 920042714 OCZ7E7JIA48C D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15979 >from the bee-list discussion: Now that there is an exemption from a tolerance, is there a formic acid label coming in the U.S.? Bob Roach ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY 40 CFR Part 180 [OPP-300451A; FRL-5600-4] Formic Acid; Tolerance Exemptions AGENCY: Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). ACTION: Final rule. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SUMMARY: This regulation establishes exemptions from the requirement of a tolerance for residues of the pesticide formic acid in or on honey and beeswax when used to control tracheal mites and suppress varroa mites in bee colonies and applied in accordance with label directions. DATES: This regulation becomes effective February 22, 1999. Objections and requests for hearings must be received by EPA on April 23, 1999. - this part is interesting. I. Response to Comments There were 12 comments received in response to the notice of filing of the petition to exempt formic acid from the requirement of a tolerance. Nine of the commenters urged the Agency to proceed with registration and to grant the tolerance exemption for formic acid. Most of the comments which raised questions regarding use of formic acid, related to the FIFRA registration decision. Although these comments were not strictly relevant to this tolerance exemption, EPA has responded to all of the comments below. One of these nine commenters expressed concern regarding impacts of formic acid on short and long-term brood survivability, and potential absorption into brood nest wax, which might later be rendered and introduced into the market. It should be noted that in the United States, brood nest honey and wax are generally recycled in the bee colony, and not harvested for sale as either liquid or comb honey. However, if brood nest wax were to be marketed for non-food use, it would likely be heavily processed due to the marked discoloration of brood nest wax, thereby reducing potential formic acid residues. Regarding the brood survivability issue, one commenter submitted a research report entitled Sublethal Effects of Three Acaricide Treatments on Honey Bee Colony Development and Honey Production. This study investigated the effects of fluvalinate, menthol and formic acid (2 application methods) on colony development and honey production. Worker bee longevity, colony weight gain, adult bee mortality, brood viability, sealed brood area, returning foragers, pollen load weight, and emerged bee weight were not statistically different between fluvalinate- and formic acid-treated colonies, and control colonies. Brood viability, adult bee population, returning foragers, and honey production were not statistically different between menthol- and formic acid-treated colonies, and control colonies. Queen behavior patterns and the number of workers attending the queen were not statistically significant before versus after colonies were treated with formic acid. There were, however, small, but statistically significant decreases in bee longevity and sealed brood area in formic acid-treated colonies as compared to fluvalinate-treated colonies and controls. In addition, formic acid-treated colonies experienced slightly lower honey production than either menthol-treated or control colonies. The overall conclusions of the researcher are that formic acid is not detrimental to colony development or surplus honey production, and that the benefits gained from using formic acid to control parasitic bee mites far outweigh the slight decrease in sealed brood. One commenter urged the use of spearmint oil, which he considers less invasive, and one commenter expressed concern that beekeepers do not monitor the presence or numbers of tracheal mites before or after applying miticides. This same commenter urged the use of menthol as a less invasive alternative. The Agency supports the use of Integrated Pest Management (IPM) wherein pest population levels are monitored before application of a pesticide, and actively promotes the adoption of IPM practices using less environmentally invasive alternatives. Based on the information, data, and findings described in the preamble to the proposed rule, EPA establishes the exemptions from the requirement of a tolerance as set forth below. From BobCan@Clover.Net Mon Mar 1 14:07:45 EST 1999 Article: 15980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: "Bob" From: "Bob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Clover? Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:48:36 -0500 Lines: 6 Organization: Ohio Bee Keeper X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.4.231.14 Message-ID: <36d43b7a.0@news.clover.net> X-Trace: 24 Feb 1999 12:48:42 -0500, 12.4.231.14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.clover.net!12.4.231.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15980 What types of clover do bees like? I am putting in some pasture and was wondering what type of clover to mix. Thanks! From apipop@club-internet.fr Mon Mar 1 14:07:46 EST 1999 Article: 15981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!easynet-fr!newsfeed.planete.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "Jean-Claude Treyvaud" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast for beginner? Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:51:24 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7b9v74$p7j$1@front2.grolier.fr> References: <36D81D39.7FB4FCF3@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: montpellier-1-235.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front2.grolier.fr 920158244 25843 195.36.180.235 (27 Feb 1999 23:30:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 1999 23:30:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15981 Buckfast is a good choice for beginners. They are usualy very gentle, easy to manipulate and hardworking. bill_daniels@bellsouth.net a écrit dans le message <36D81D39.7FB4FCF3@bellsouth.net>... >Do the characteristics of buckfast bees make them appropriate for a >beginning beekeeper? >Any suggestions? > >Bill Daniels > From apipop@club-internet.fr Mon Mar 1 14:07:47 EST 1999 Article: 15982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!isdnet!newsfeed.planete.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apimondia '99 - multi-languages Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 00:35:56 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 100 Message-ID: <7b9vf3$rea$1@front4.grolier.fr> References: <7ao27o$2vk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: montpellier-1-235.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front4.grolier.fr 920158499 28106 195.36.180.235 (27 Feb 1999 23:34:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 1999 23:34:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15982 Bonjour, I have put the missing accents and improved translation of some sentences. Hoping beeing of some help for you.... regards JC Treyvaud Griffes@my-dejanews.com a écrit dans le message <7ao27o$2vk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >this info forwarded to this forum by: >Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com >Country Jack's Honeybee Farm >Onsted, MI >USA >http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ > >======forwarded message begins====== >Dear Friends, > Ten days ago I sent the English version of our most recent press >release. The translations in the other official languages are now >complete. Unfortunately, I do not seem to be able to transmit the >various accents in the body of the text. Each of the translations is >also attached as an ASCII text file; I am hopeful that the accents >are retained in that way. Please read the text and correct the >accents if that remains a problem. > I am asking that you send this message to everyone you know >associated with the beekeeping industry in some way: beekeepers, >queen producers, honey packers, researchers. Apimondia'99 will be of >value to all of them! I hope to see you in Vancouver in September! > Dr. Gard W. Otis > Apimondia'99 Promotion > University of Guelph > Ontario, Canada > ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* Apimondia'99: Communiqué de presse #7: le 14 février 1999 **************************************************** LES DATES LIMITES D'APIMONDIA'99 APPROCHENT RAPIDEMENT Apimondia'99, " le meilleur congrès d'apiculture jamais vu", sera tenu du 12 au 18 septembre à Vancouver. En vous inscrivant avant le 1er juin vous ferez des économies tout en garantissant votre participation à ce congrès international majeur. Apimondia'99, le 26ème congrès de la Fédération Internationale des Associations Apicoles, s'annonce remarquable. Les préparatifs pour le congrès sont presque terminés, et jusqu'à maintenant près de 200 conférenciers ont confirmé leur participation. ApiExpo'99, la plus grande exposition de ce genre, a jusqu'à maintenant attiré plus de 70 exposants représentant 25 pays. Le site du Congrès, le Centre du Commerce Mondial et des Congrès de Vancouver, offre des installations de premier ordre au centre-ville de Vancouver, ville de renommée mondiale pour ses attraits touristiques. Ne manquez pas Apimondia'99! La deuxième circulaire du congrès est maintenant disponible en anglais, français, espagnol et allemand. Elle contient les détails et les formulaires d'inscription au congrès, les réservations d'hôtels, la présentation des communications scientifiques, ainsi que des concours et visites organisés. La deuxième circulaire peut être consultée sur le site Internet du congrès: . Les formulaires peuvent aussi être demandés en envoyant votre nom et adresse à : Apimondia'99, c/o Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water Street, Vancouver, BC, Canada, V6B 5C6, ou par email à : congress@venuewest.com. Plusieurs emplacements d'exposition sont encore disponibles pour ApiExpo'99, mais ils s'envolent rapidement. Si vous n'avez pas encore réservé un stand, visitez notre site Internet pour plus de renseignements. Vous pouvez aussi contacter Paul van Westendorp, Coordinateur ApiExpo'99, 1767 Angus Campbell Road, Abbotsford, BC, Canada, V3G 2M3; paul.vanwestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca; tel: (604) 556-3129; Fax: (604) 556-3030. Dates limites: Pré-inscription (25% réduction) 1er juin Réservations d'hôtel 1er juin (selon disponibilités) Concours 1er juin Visites pré et post-conférence 1er juillet (Croisière en Alaska, 28 février) ApiExpo'99 selon disponibilités S.V.P., veuillez noter que l'inscription au congrès est obligatoire pour qu'une communication scientifique ou une inscription à un concours soit acceptée. Inscrivez-vous dès maintenant! Participez au meilleur congrès d'apiculture jamais tenu et profitez des prix spéciaux en vous inscrivant avant le 1er juin. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Mar 1 14:07:49 EST 1999 Article: 15983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!nntp.ntr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-was.dfn.de!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast for beginner? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Feb 1999 01:50:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36D88DC7.937AF469@valley.net> Message-ID: <19990227205011.09855.00001166@ng137.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15983 Buckfast are fine bees for a beginner or anyone. Every now and again a supercedure will occur that is a bit mean. By then you won't be a beginner and will know what to do. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From mae@indy.net Mon Mar 1 14:07:50 EST 1999 Article: 15984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!WCG!web.onecall.net!news!not-for-mail From: Mary Ann Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Treatments Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:58:02 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <36D8787A.2F23@indy.net> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip209-183-89-134.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.indy.net 920173727 4559 209.183.89.134 (28 Feb 1999 03:48:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Feb 1999 03:48:47 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15984 Hello, My wife Mary had some questions she wanted me to ask the newsgroup. WE are in Indianapolis IN USA 1. Approx. when does the Honey flow in this area start? 2. When in the spring should we begin treatments for diseases and mites? 3. We ordered bees from Smokey Mountain Bees in TN. Are they still in Business. (We did not recieve them last year and they said they would send them this year but they seem to have disappeared.) Thanks Tobi From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Mon Mar 1 14:07:51 EST 1999 Article: 15985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast for beginner? Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 03:45:20 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <36D81D39.7FB4FCF3@bellsouth.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 28 Feb 1999 03:42:22 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Feb 27 19:45:10 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 27 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-001txdallp252.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <36d9b710.22081146@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15985 "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" wrote: >Do the characteristics of buckfast bees make them appropriate for a >beginning beekeeper? Are any of the hybrids better for beginners than >regular Italians? I don't think I will want to use any bees that tend >to gum things up with propolis since I will probably be tentative >opening the hive and moving things around anyway. > >Any suggestions? The best strains of bees are ones that are well-adapted to producing large honey crops in YOUR climate. No bee, including Buckfast, is best for all climates. It would be good to find out what strains the experienced beekeepers in your area are using. In the southern U.S., the Italian bee will generally out-produce other strains (including Buckfast) and they are fairly gentle. In the north, there are other strains that are less familiar to me. The hybrids may be okay, but many colonies supersede their queens or swarm each year, so you the f1 hybrid vigor may not be easy to maintain. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From beespamguy@NOTearthlink.net Mon Mar 1 14:07:52 EST 1999 Article: 15986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!basement From: beespamguy@NOTearthlink.net (Mushroom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Proposal - What I have Learned Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 07:25:41 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Feb 27 23:35:03 1999 X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Posted-Path-Was: basement Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-001inindip297.dialsprint.net X-ELN-Date: 28 Feb 1999 07:25:43 GMT Message-ID: <7bar1n$9mu$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15986 I would like to post articles on things I have learned from my own direct experience in building various woodenware items. If you might wish to actually read what I write be it known: A few ground rules.. 1. I am slightly more than a Hobby beekeeper. What I speak of may not be useful to a commercial bee operation. 2. I am directing my notes to ANYONE ..there may be times my notes seem 'below' or 'condencending' to those reading them. Trust me, there are those who WANT to hear a direction to head. I sure wish someone had told ME these things. 3. I have learned a great deal from a number of places.. I am a book person...I like to read. The two books that have contributed most to my reality based beekeeping experiences are : A: How-To-Book by Dr.Richard Taylor and B: How to Keep Bees and Sell Honey by Walter Kelley. 4. The items I post are *MY* opinion. If anyone disagrees they are welcome to drop me a note * IN PUBLIC*. I will not entertain private emails whining about how I do something. It doesn't do any good to complain to me in email...I will ignore you..BUT if you post it in public, there may be someone that DOES take note and whose art will be molded by you. From Peter.Hofmann@gi.anzeiger.net Mon Mar 1 14:07:52 EST 1999 Article: 15987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!194.25.1.114.MISMATCH!jupiter.NIC.DTAG.DE!guru.freeway.de!not-for-mail From: "Peter.Hofmann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping and highfrequent electromagnetic waves Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 11:48:42 +0100 Organization: Freeway Netserver GmbH Lines: 11 Message-ID: <36D91F0A.F3AADCED@gi.anzeiger.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dt-239-26.freeway.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15987 Does anyone know something about possible influences on Bees or beekeeping by high frequent electromagnetic radiation? For example: has anyone noticed possible changes in beekeeping because of nearby sited radiostations, radarantennas, basisstations for Mobil Communication (handheld telephones) and so on? I would be very grateful for some informations on this issue. Peter Hofmann From chucklaser@aol.com Mon Mar 1 14:07:53 EST 1999 Article: 15988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Proposal - What I have Learned Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Feb 1999 16:32:20 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7bar1n$9mu$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990228113220.00964.00001072@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15988 Fake e-mail addresses inspire confidence as well :) Chuck www.laserrevolutions.com Laser Revolutions Video-Home-Service Inc. 3108 23rd Ave. Moline Illinois 61265 From judge20@fidnet.com Mon Mar 1 14:07:54 EST 1999 Article: 15989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <36D96139.354AB050@fidnet.com> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:31:06 -0600 From: John Brackman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone Foundation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: sullivan-mo-40.fidnet.com X-Trace: 28 Feb 1999 09:30:31 -0600, sullivan-mo-40.fidnet.com Lines: 4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.216.200.9!news.fidnet.com!sullivan-mo-40.fidnet.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15989 Does anybody know of a source of foundation pre-printed for drone brood? Although requests have suddenly increased, (I assume due to that drone brood-varroa study) the fellows at Dadant were not making it. From chucklaser@aol.com Mon Mar 1 14:07:54 EST 1999 Article: 15990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Proposal - What I have Learned Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Feb 1999 16:30:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7bar1n$9mu$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990228113018.00964.00001069@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15990 My opinion.. I don't take people seriously when they don't use thier name or have something to hide or are afraid of email. If you are " more than a hobbyist " you should not be afraid of the people here. Give me a call. 309-762-7962. I am a farmer as well. www.laserrevolutions.com Laser Revolutions Video-Home-Service Inc. 3108 23rd Ave. Moline Illinois 61265 From beespamguy@NOTearthlink.net Mon Mar 1 14:07:55 EST 1999 Article: 15991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!basement From: beespamguy@NOTearthlink.net (Mushroom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Proposal - What I have Learned Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:49:31 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Feb 28 09:55:05 1999 References: <7bar1n$9mu$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <19990228113220.00964.00001072@ng-fc1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Posted-Path-Was: basement Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002inindip330.dialsprint.net X-ELN-Date: 28 Feb 1999 17:49:34 GMT Message-ID: <7bbvje$s6a$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15991 In article <19990228113220.00964.00001072@ng-fc1.aol.com>, chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) wrote: > >Fake e-mail addresses inspire confidence as well :) >Chuck >www.laserrevolutions.com >Laser Revolutions >Video-Home-Service Inc. >3108 23rd Ave. >Moline Illinois 61265 And aol accounts are an indication of the the clueless. I wasn't asking for your critique of my privacy concerns, simply if the information may be welcome. So now drag your mouse over to 'delete' and go away, welcome to my killfile. From pollinator@aol.com Mon Mar 1 14:07:55 EST 1999 Article: 15992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: used hives Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Feb 1999 20:38:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990228071159.17380.00001311@ng09.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990228153846.00294.00001693@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15992 Re: Protecting from foulbrood contamination in used equipment: I've just place photos of scale online to help beekeepers identify contamination and avoid the purchase of diseased equipment. It can be found at http://www.pollinator.com, under "Buying Bees" and "The Danger of Buying Used Equipment" Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From mdrbees@aol.com Mon Mar 1 14:07:56 EST 1999 Article: 15993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mdrbees@aol.com (MDRbees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Tactic"...pesticide resistance Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Feb 1999 03:29:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36D691DA.565B@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19990226222949.00132.00000816@ng30.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15993 Thank you for sharing the reprint from the Apis newletter. What a wealth of information. I have been rereading the the series of articles in the ABJ 2/97 through 7/97 by Kirk Webster on Northern beekeeping and northern bees. I like his approach to beekeeping and long term selection of bee characteristics in his breeding program. So far it seems the most practical to me. I do still have some interest in pursuing essential oil research. From what I can gather getting wintergreen into the actual diet of the honeybee causes reproductive problems in the mite. Can anyone expound on this and possible web sites that would have formulas for larger amounts of syrup w/ the oils. The West Virgina University web site on essential oils has allot of info but I'd like to hear >from someone who has used it on a larger scale and what mix worked the best and which oil etc. Thanks>Subject: Re: "Tactic"...pesticide resistance >From: tomas mozer >Date: 2/26/99 4:21 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <36D691DA.565B@juno.com> > >Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues >Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter >Volume 17, Number 2, February 1999 > >Managing Varroa Resistance to Pesticides-Not if, but when > >It seems many in the beekeeping community continue to be dismayed that >Varroa is becoming resistant to fluvalinate >. Most >authorities believed it would only be a matter of time. There was also >ample warning from Europe; it should not have been a surprise >. Even now, >resistance does not yet appear to be widespread. The industry is fortunate >to have had 10-plus years of service from Apistan®, formulated on >fluvalinate. Nevertheless, resistance has now been detected and it has >caused another pesticide to be launched, coumaphos, formulated as Bayer Bee >Strips . Already >in back of some minds is the realization that this chemical, too, will spawn >generations of resistant mites. From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Mon Mar 1 14:07:57 EST 1999 Article: 15994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: Jeffrey Lavett Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ammonia for propolis Date: 28 Feb 1999 23:53:16 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <36D9D6D8.2A392A93@worldnet.att.net> References: <36CD7E1C.2B6C4207@bellsouth.net> <19990219210224.21906.00000003@ng-da1.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.102.44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15994 Mr. Lynes may be off topic a bit, but it is an interesting question. Are there advantages to pre-propolizing a new hive in the manner he described? Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > remember reading that ammonia was better for dissolving propolis, and > >when dissolved, it could be painted on the interior of a new hive. Then you > >have to let the ammonia evaporate well before actually using... > > > > NOT FOR TINTCHURE OF PROPOLIS > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!! > > Tinchure is a topical antiseptic that can be used inside the mouth for cold > sores etc.. > It must be made with medical grade alcohol. > Please do not confuse the two. > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively > by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Mon Mar 1 14:07:57 EST 1999 Article: 15995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4VnB2.8984$po.3923@c01read02.service.talkway.com> <7bat42$mto$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Protecting hive Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 20:16:42 -0800 Lines: 10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.40.138 Message-ID: <36d9fb70.0@news.new-era.net> X-Trace: 1 Mar 1999 02:29:04 GMT, 208.133.40.138 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.133.44.230!news.new-era.net!208.133.40.138 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15995 I live in WNC and have three hives in the front yard for the last three years. We've even seen bear in the road just below the house, but to this date have never had a problem with them. Your daughter may not need to be too concerned with them. -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315