From kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Sat Jan 2 06:03:27 EST 1999 Article: 15345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 03:13:39 GMT Organization: Or Chaos: You Choose Message-ID: <368bd9b2.848789@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <19981230165103.27405.00003451@ng138.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6-177.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 31 Dec 1998 03:12:53 GMT, pm6-177.nildram.co.uk Lines: 25 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!195.112.4.37.MISMATCH!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm6-177.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15345 On 30 Dec 1998 21:51:03 GMT, beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: >Why do people want royal jelly? > >I have tasted it a few times when clearing queen cells and it does not taste >all that good. > > Health food stores will buy it, for the cranky diet types. My personal opinion is that it is of benefit if you are a bee, but not much use otherwise. It appears in many cosmetics, and 'medicines'. It's very 'clatty' (fiddly) to gather; this shouldn't stop anyone selling it for premium prices, if you can get people to pay for it, that is.. One method is to produce lots of queen larvae, then rob them. Like propolis, it's not a major crop, but the return may well be worth it. Personally, I wouldn't bother, but then I'm only a small scale hobbyist(1) (1) With BIG hopes. -- kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk new quiz @ .../quizform.htm From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jan 2 06:03:28 EST 1999 Article: 15346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Dec 1998 21:51:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19981230165103.27405.00003451@ng138.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15346 Why do people want royal jelly? I have tasted it a few times when clearing queen cells and it does not taste all that good. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From Griffes@my-dejanews.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:28 EST 1999 Article: 15347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-dc-3.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:03:50 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 69 Message-ID: <76et36$tsu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com> <368258A7.769C@juno.com> <36879AAF.7CCB@juno.com> <768goj$kbd$1@golux.radix.net> <01be332b$9e5f2b40$5cc92bcf@petty.negia.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 31 04:03:50 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15347 In article <01be332b$9e5f2b40$5cc92bcf@petty.negia.net>, "petty" wrote: > > > Adam Finkelstein wrote in article > <768goj$kbd$1@golux.radix.net>... > > > > You mention PMS and AFB in the same sentence--are the symptoms for these > > two diseases appearing sporadically? > > > > In the Mid-Atlantic I've noticed that varroa tolerance in stocks will > > often be proceeded by huge breakdowns of PMS/AFB like symptoms. After > > this, selection for further tolerance is easy--if there is anything > > left. :) > > Adam - Your observation related here mirrors HIP experience with our HIP 2 year Untreated Thriving Survival (UTS) test yards. That being that DISEASE RESISTANCE is apparently MORE IMPORTANT to actual untreated survivability than is mere ability to maintain a low parasite load (rare as that is). We noted that when we first got started and it continues to appear that way to this day. It is for this reason that HIP remains exceedingly skeptical of claims about resistant stock made via ANY short term test protocol. In a nutshell and without mincing words HIP has watched hives with relatively high ability to keep mite population in check crash under our long term test LONG before bees with only moderate ability to check mite population but with higher disease resistance ability. It continues to be the opinion of HIP that it takes a combination of traits to achieve actual UTS under pressure >from both tracheal and Varroa mites. While it remains easier to breed for one trait alone to date our long term testing does not indicate that to be the best avenue to take. We have watched a number of hand selected "bees with promise" initially look very good indeed only to disappoint us by crashing while our mill run HIP stock was still cruising along. Point being - any short test protocol that ain't never been accurately correlated against the real world might just oughta be held suspect until it has been so correlated. And if any of you think you have some stock that possibly can pass our HIP test please do make arrangements with me to send it so can find out - but only if you are from the USA or Canada as we can't get bees from nowheres else thanks to USDA regs.. We do appreciate those who have sent us stock to test even if it did come up wanting - ya don't know if'n ya don't try. > was that "outbreaks" or "breakdowns"? can you elaborate on that? outbreaks of PMS (Parasitic Mite Syndrome) cause breakdowns of colonies quite often - generally this is seen as multiple diseases in same hive - as per DWV (deformed wing virus) - bee paralysis - sacbrood - chalkbrood - European Foulbrood and sometimes American Foulbrood - all in the same hive at the same time ---- some colonies get PMS with a low mite load - others don't get PMS until they have 5 times the mite load - and of course the good ones just don't get PMS at all - of course you bee breeders see here that you have to have resistance to several diseases including likely imunity to some viruses to "never get PMS" and that makes it a challenge to find and even more of a challenge to maintain in a breeding population - it is a challenge we continue to work at but have yet to be complete victors of. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program (HIP) Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From Griffes@my-dejanews.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:29 EST 1999 Article: 15348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.swbell.net!nntp.giganews.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Population control Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:25:59 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 34 Message-ID: <76eucm$utc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 31 04:25:59 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15348 In article , "Rusty" wrote: > How does one keep a hive with plenty of room space---without starting a new > hive or super? > > ;-) it's real simple to keep from having to start a new hive or add a new super via the most severe "population control" (totally eliminates such problems as swarming too) - just dust them down moderately well with Sevin - the bees will die - the comb will adsorb enough of the chemical to protect it >from wax moth for a fairly long while as well as making it basically worthless for bees though still attractive to bees - however realize this ain't the way to do it if ya wanna have bees ;-) now to be serious - you gotta give them space (new supers) to accomodate expanding population - it is VERY normal for honeybee population to double or even triple from its overwintered number to its peak honey production number - sometime before then it is also normal to swarm unless you do something to ATTEMPT to prevent it - you can prevent swarming without increasing hive numbers (but with increased super numbers) via running two queen colonies which are intentionally allowed to recombine at the start of the aimed for flow. Most often some increase in hive numbers is needed to make up for normal losses. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From amschelp@pe.net Sat Jan 2 06:03:30 EST 1999 Article: 15349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ochlockonee River Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:53:25 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <19981230163827.01030.00000273@ng-cg1.aol.com> <19981230195713.11014.00003877@ng122.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c3p032.hem.pe.net X-Trace: magnolia.pe.net 915076282 6578 216.100.28.32 (31 Dec 1998 03:51:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Dec 1998 03:51:22 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15349 Would a bee museum be similar to a flea circus? > Gimme a hollar if you have specific questions on beekeeping in the "good > ol' days." My wife is trying to set up a bee museum/ park.......... > > From Griffes@my-dejanews.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:30 EST 1999 Article: 15350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!news.globix.net!news-pen-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flaming Queens? Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 03:17:25 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 58 Message-ID: <76eqc4$rp1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7636ut$r7f$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <19981226201102.28988.00002276@ng146.aol.com> <36880f19.8815945@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.26 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 31 03:17:25 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x1.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15350 In article <36880f19.8815945@news.jps.net>, andy.nachbaur@calwest.net wrote: > On 27 Dec 1998 01:11:02 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > >i've had quite a lot of enjoyment out of the cordovan strain of italians from > >glen apiaries in calif. unfortunately i cant get any more due to afric > >quarrantine. > > You got a "line" from one queen breeder who has set up his own > personal African bee quarantine for his own reasons. There is no > African Bee or queen quarantine in California or is one planned. Of course the "quarantine" he mentions need not be via CA made. It is quite possible for a "state" to restrict bee imports "from areas known to harbor AHB" (or anything else they care to "ineptly try" to keep out) - fact is last time I checked a few states "east of the Mississippi" do indeed have such regs on the books already. So perhaps it ain't a "line" he is being fed by "one queen breeder . . . for his own reasons" but rather a bit of misunderstanding/misintrepretation/misreading on the part of some other(s). > Try to find a different bee breeder for Cordovan type bees. You would > be better off in my opinion to have a suppler near enough to you and > transport them yourself if that is possible. As to this part of Andy's advice I agree wholeheartedly - a supplier from whom you can pick up FRESHLY picked queens is the best if you don't raise your own. Getting queens into your already ready hives before they have a chance to shrink down is definitely best. Though just why one would want color mutants I have not a clue. (novelty perhaps??) The prettiest bees to me are the ones that get the job done and the job we give them via our HIP test definitely hasn't left us with a bunch of color mutants of any description getting it done though color mutants have been tested along with lots of other strains. That said as I have pointed out before Richard Adee (probably the biggest beekeeper in the world) loves color mutants just for the sake of easier to find queens (it DOES save him thousands of man hours of paid labor) - his color mutants tend to be cordovans of the Starline variety (not all Starline queens are Cordovan though as this is not a unanimous point of agreement among Hybribees stockholders). -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From amschelp@pe.net Sat Jan 2 06:03:31 EST 1999 Article: 15351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees over the Seasonal Hump Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:02:57 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: c3p032.hem.pe.net X-Trace: magnolia.pe.net 915076854 6578 216.100.28.32 (31 Dec 1998 04:00:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Dec 1998 04:00:54 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15351 Last week while the weather got down below freezing here in So. Cal. my bees were quiet as church mice in their top bar hive, and I even found myself getting a little worried about them. Today, as the old sun is slowly working its way back toward the middle of the sky, there were lots of them out, angrily working the blue blossoms on the rosemary plants. We are thankful for our marvellous bees. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:31 EST 1999 Article: 15352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Comb Honey Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Dec 1998 06:05:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19981231010548.05092.00004567@ng94.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15352 >ets hear some good tips on consuming comb honey---what to tell friends to >do with it when you give them some!!!!!! > its one of the few things in nature that comes out exactly like it went in. bees wax is undigestible and will pass through the intestinal tract quite easily. There was a study done once that i seem to remember from paramedic school where it was tried as an absorbing agent for types of poisons. I do not recall the out come nor the people who i should credit for the study, sorry. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:32 EST 1999 Article: 15353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flaming Queens? Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Dec 1998 05:56:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <76eqc4$rp1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19981231005621.05092.00004558@ng94.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15353 >hough just why one would want color mutants I have not a clue. (novelty >perhaps??) The prettiest bees to me are the ones that get the job done and >the job we give them via our HIP test Hi jack i feel i must elaborate at this point . history : my cordovan's came from Lathans bee farm bout 2 hrs south of me in aberdeen NC. Mr Bill Lathan got his stock from Glen aparies in calif. Not only are these italians prolific producers but are quite literally almost " Tame " they build up super fast are very hardy and have shown no signs of pms or any other disease susceptability in the 2 years i've had them. My wish had been to buy some first line queens direct from glenn instead of 3rd generation daughters from bill ( not that his aren't just as good mind you !!! ) I just wanted some out of town girls to add to the harem,, don't ya know. Was all prepared to buy 6 for a partial requeening when my e-mail came back reporting that it was a NO GO since africans had been discovered within 50 mi of glenn. I could hjowever get artifically inseminated ladies for 40 bucks a piece, needless to say my 20 hive sideline /hobby couldn't afford that. I must agree that i do not recall whether it was a NC law or a Calif law that put the brakes on things, but i would probably say it's on this end. Oh btw, have my eye on a ferral colony, still viable after 3 years observation, definately no treatment applied, if i take them this spring do you want a sample and if so just how ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From rustyho@email.msn.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:32 EST 1999 Article: 15354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Rusty" Subject: Royal Jelly Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:23:36 -0500 Lines: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-20.tc-1.wpb.smartworld.net [12.14.110.148] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews02 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15354 Info on how to produce and harvest?????? From doyle60@aol.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:33 EST 1999 Article: 15355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Dec 1998 15:21:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981231102154.01040.00000733@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15355 Thanks for the answers. Here is another question: I am writing a humorous song on a beekeeper. I need a reason why the bees would be mad at the beekeeper for taking the honey. In my song the beekeeper believes that his bees are swarming after him. He's a bit "touched," if you dont mind. The reason has to be very simple and be able to be expressed in very few words. I am still looking for the pronounciation of Ochlockonee and am amused that Dave mentioned the Pee Dee River. There is an original manuscript of Stephen Foster's song "Old Folks at Home (Swannee River)" with "Pee Dee" crossed out and "Swannee" written in. I must be on the right track. Doyle60 From pollinator@aol.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:34 EST 1999 Article: 15356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ochlockonee River Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Dec 1998 00:57:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981230163827.01030.00000273@ng-cg1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19981230195713.11014.00003877@ng122.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15356 From: doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) >I am writing a fictional story and thought it would be fun to get some good >details in. I would appreciate answsers to the following: > >How do you pronounce Ochlockonee as in the Ochlockonee River? Is it >Oak-LOCK-con-knee? You got me! Never heard of it. Or is this your fictional river? >Is this the only place where Tupolo honey can be "grown"? Tupelo gum trees grow on all southeastern rivers, and tupelo honey is made in North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, and probably farther west, tho I have no direct knowledge on that. Tupelo honey is a premium honey. There is an organization that certifies honey from the Appalachicola River area as tupelo, probably based on pollen analysis. But any good beekeeper can make it, in the areas where the tree grows. >What are some towns along this river older than 1850 where a person may come >from that sells Tupulo honey? Georgetown, SC is a very scenic, historic small city on the Pee Dee River of South Carolina. I think it would be a great setting for a historic novel. Of course Savannah and Charleston usually get the honors. Another interesting and very old town is Beaufort, SC. >I have seen some scenes on my CD-Rom Encyclopedia on how bees communicate to >other bees the location of food. Is there a good National Geographic or >other >documentary on bees? If you put ten beekeepers and bee scientists together in a room, you'll get 11 different opinions on this. But then again, you will on any beekeeping topic....... >I am writing a fictional story and thought it would be fun to get some good >details in. > Gimme a hollar if you have specific questions on beekeeping in the "good ol' days." My wife is trying to set up a bee museum/ park.......... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sat Jan 2 06:03:34 EST 1999 Article: 15357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Population control Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:48:38 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 56 Message-ID: <368BB8F6.D284B3CC@valley.net> References: <76eucm$utc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-217.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15357 Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > In article , > "Rusty" wrote: > > How does one keep a hive with plenty of room space---without starting a new > > hive or super? > > > > > > ;-) it's real simple to keep from having to start a new hive or add a new > super via the most severe "population control" (totally eliminates such > problems as swarming too) - just dust them down moderately well with Sevin - > the bees will die - the comb will adsorb enough of the chemical to protect it > from wax moth for a fairly long while as well as making it basically > worthless for bees though still attractive to bees - however realize this > ain't the way to do it if ya wanna have bees ;-) > > now to be serious - you gotta give them space (new supers) to accomodate > expanding population - it is VERY normal for honeybee population to double or > even triple from its overwintered number to its peak honey production number > - sometime before then it is also normal to swarm unless you do something to > ATTEMPT to prevent it - you can prevent swarming without increasing hive > numbers (but with increased super numbers) via running two queen colonies > which are intentionally allowed to recombine at the start of the aimed for > flow. Most often some increase in hive numbers is needed to make up for > normal losses. > jeez, jack, you scared the beejezus outta me with that first paragraph! thought you got taken over by the pod people or something. glad i read the second one. ;) not sure i understand rusty's question; isn't the point of it all to get a healthy colony to which you add supers as needed? if the question is how to keep the base colony from swarming, without having to add supers when the time is not right, then another possibility is to run a three deep brood box hive. that is what i'm doing with my hobby hives, got one up to 3 deeps last year and the other one is in 2 deeps now, heading for 3 in the spring. the 3 deep colony was a real producer. even though the colony was huge, it seemed to have plenty of room. of course, i'll find out this spring, if there were enough stores for them. will be interesting to see how the two hives compare as far as overwintering and spring build-up. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From pollinator@aol.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:35 EST 1999 Article: 15358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees over the Seasonal Hump Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Dec 1998 20:14:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19981231151436.27394.00004318@ng138.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15358 From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) >Last week while the weather got down below freezing here in So. Cal. my >bees were quiet as church mice in their top bar hive, and I even found >myself getting a little worried about them. Today, as the old sun is >slowly working its way back toward the middle of the sky, there were lots >of them out, angrily working the blue blossoms on the rosemary plants. We >are thankful for our marvellous bees. Well, you are probably ahead of us here in S. Carolina. But it is nice to see them get what they can, when they can. We've had some dismal gray days, and a little below freezing (mid 20's last night). But today, with bright sunshine, no wind, and a thermometer barely into the 50's, the bees are busily carry yellow pollen. I hadn't noticed any anger; my bees are all smiling.... ;o) Indeed they are marvelous. More cold coming, they day, so I'm glad they got what they could. Next week we start checking and feeding some. In a month we'll be feeding whether they need it or not. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From anglin@mi.verio.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:36 EST 1999 Article: 15359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <368ba636.67840577@news1.newscene.com> Subject: Re: Books for beginners? Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.104 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 915145613 209.69.69.104 (Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:06:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:06:53 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:09:08 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15359 Get subscriptions to American Bee Journal and Bee Culture Magazines- You will get lots of inspiration, and also find information on locating your local beekeepers groups. Best of Luck! From zickefoose@sssnet.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:36 EST 1999 Article: 15360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "Don Zickefoose" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wiring New frames Date: 31 Dec 1998 23:01:23 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 38 Message-ID: <01be3511$6b4a4c20$0501a8c0@PC_Theatre.zickefoose> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.117.158.75 X-Trace: 915145283 YNHQGLJ5S9E4BD175C usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15360 Hello, I bought myself the starter hive kit that I have been wanting for christmas. I have put together the hive boddies, painted the outside of them. put together the bottom board, inner cover, and outer cover. Now for the frames. I have twenty frames, and 20 sheets of wired foundation. The frames have a ridge which looks as though it is going to snap off in the top, I assume that this is to be snapped off, the wires on the foundation wraped around it, and then nailed back in place. The bog question for me is wiring the frames. The books I have read indicate that the frames should be wired, and there are holes on the side of the frames, and I have these things that look like nails which have been split down the middle to go into the holes. What kind of wire should I use since none came in my kit? should the wire alternate the sides of the wax, or should I just wire the frames, then set the foundation on top of the wires before nailing the ridge, and placing one of the bottom bars? I notice that when I place ten frames in the hive body, that there is enough space left over for an eleventh frame. when I do introduce my package in the spring, how should I space the frames so I dont get a ton of bur comb and propils build in the space, and on the frames? When the frames are placed tightly together, they look like the following top view: | (----](----](----](----](----](----](----](----](----](----] | | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | ~ ~ | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | | [----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----) | is this correct? Thanks in advance for the help. -dz- From eahlsenNOSPAM@maine.rr.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:37 EST 1999 Article: 15361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Subject: Re: Wintering advice please... Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: "rick" References: <3685BAC9.2510B4BC@golden.net> Message-ID: <01be3510$b4c65c00$23955d18@ericahls.maine.rr.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Lines: 8 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:57:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 915145066 24.93.149.35 (Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:57:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:57:46 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15361 For the past 18 winters in southern Maine I found that providing a windbreak is probably the best thing one can do. I drive in a few 4-5 ft. iron stakes on the north side and nail a sheet of plywood (from the dump) to them. Any kind of insulation you apply will only cause moisture problems. Placing your hives on the southern side of a fence or a windbreak of evergreens would do as well. It was a brisk -8 degrees this morning....... From kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Sat Jan 2 06:03:38 EST 1999 Article: 15362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 00:58:01 GMT Organization: Or Chaos: You Choose Message-ID: <3690d79c.9150987@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <19981231102154.01040.00000733@ng-cg1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-38.dial.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 1 Jan 1999 00:57:13 GMT, ppp47-38.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!195.112.4.37.MISMATCH!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-38.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15362 On 31 Dec 1998 15:21:54 GMT, doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) wrote: >Thanks for the answers. Here is another question: > >I am writing a humorous song on a beekeeper. I need a reason why the bees >would be mad at the beekeeper for taking the honey. There's your answer. -- kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk new quiz @ .../quizform.htm From anglin@mi.verio.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:38 EST 1999 Article: 15363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01be3511$6b4a4c20$0501a8c0@PC_Theatre.zickefoose> Subject: Re: Wiring New frames Lines: 55 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.104 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 915148067 209.69.69.104 (Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:47:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:47:47 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:49:54 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15363 Beginner kits usually come with clips that hold the foundation in place and keep it from bowing out of the vertical. (I will get to that .) Don't put the wax in the frames too long before you plan to recieve your bees- It is likely to become warped or dameged. Wait untill just a week or so before you expect your bees. Remove the removeable wedge (that piece you noticed can come loose) clean out the burr of wood that is left in the groove with your hive tool. Your foundation wire should extend out from the top edge of the foundation, and be bent over at a 90 degree angle. Place the wax into the frame, with the bottom edge in the little groove in the bottom bar. The bent wires should lay neatly into the notch cut in the top bar, so you can place that slice that you removed over those wire fingers, press it snug up to the wax to press it tight in the center, and staple or nail the wedge back into place to hold everything snug. Nail one end of the wedgewhile pressing it into place, shift to pressing the opposite end, nail, and the press and nail a couple of spots in the middle. You do not want the wax falling out or sagging! Now you need those little metal clips with the slots in them- they look a little like old fashioned clothespins. Inseret one through one of the holes in the edge of the frame so that the two legs come out on either side of the sheet of wax. Presto, the wax is prevented from bowingfrom side to side. One or two clips on each side is usually enough to kepp it pretty straight. This job is easier with one of the wax insetion boards that the beekeeping catalogs sell. This is just a board with a couple of pieses of wood attached to it that are just the right size and thickness to fit inside a frame and support the wax as you put it in the frame and put the wedge in place. If you want to wire the wax horizintally youwill have to invest in one of these boars (Or make one) and buy wire, and a spur rowel. I have tried this, and it works, but I now prefer to buy wax coated plastic foundation. (Pierco, or Rite cell) with deeply molded cell bases formed right in the plastic. It snaps right in place, no wire or clips. It does not warp or Bow, little drone comb is built, and if you get wax moths, you can just scrape off the mess, and the bees build the comb back as good as new. I highly recommend this to any beginner because of it's ease of use. I can't recommed this stuff highly enough!! Mann Lake sells a Complete medium super kit, and a complete deep super (Hive body) kit that come with everything including the plasticell foundation- these are a pretty good deal for the hobbyist (Deep complete: $28.00, Medium (6 5/8"): $23.00 ) Mann Lakes # is 1-800-233-6663 and their website is www.mannlakeltd.com Dadant and other suppliers also sell versions of this type of foundation- I recommend you try it for your second hive body or for extracting supers when the time comes. I do not like Duragilt plastic base wax foundation- this is a sheet of flat plastic with wax fundation presses onto both sides. The bees chew this down and build drone comb, if anything. I tried it and cannot recommend it. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:39 EST 1999 Article: 15364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jan 1999 03:46:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981231150812.27394.00004316@ng138.aol.com> Message-ID: <19981231224618.13903.00005178@ng98.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15364 >eekeepers, we take umbridge. And you'd better NOT malign our >charges.......... > > >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >T I second that emotion, if you're out to make a buck off us by singin some damn killer bee song then i hope ya loose ya voice !!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sat Jan 2 06:03:40 EST 1999 Article: 15365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wiring New frames Date: 1 Jan 1999 04:39:20 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 85 Message-ID: <01be3540$e81c4b20$ec17480c@default> References: <01be3511$6b4a4c20$0501a8c0@PC_Theatre.zickefoose> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.23.236 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15365 Don Zickefoose wrote in article <01be3511$6b4a4c20$0501a8c0@PC_Theatre.zickefoose>... > Hello, > > I bought myself the starter hive kit that I have been wanting for > christmas. Congrats. Sorry you had to buy it yourself. > I have put together the hive boddies, painted the outside of them. put > together the bottom board, inner cover, and outer cover. Now for the > frames. I have twenty frames, and 20 sheets of wired foundation. The frames > have a ridge which looks as though it is going to snap off in the top, I > assume that this is to be snapped off, the wires on the foundation wraped > around it, and then nailed back in place. The bog question for me is wiring > the frames. The books I have read indicate that the frames should be wired, > and there are holes on the side of the frames, and I have these things that > look like nails which have been split down the middle to go into the holes. > What kind of wire should I use since none came in my kit? The break-away piece is to wedge the foundation against the top bar. If you have the pins and these will not be frames for extracting, you don't need to wire them. The pins hold the foundation in the correct plane until the bees have drawn it out. > should the wire alternate the sides of the wax, or should I just wire the > frames, then set the foundation on top of the wires before nailing the > ridge, and placing one of the bottom bars? When wiring (which you don't need to do), wire the frame first then lay the foundation on it. > I notice that when I place ten frames in the hive body, that there is > enough space left over for an eleventh frame. when I do introduce my > package in the spring, how should I space the frames so I dont get a ton of > bur comb and propils build in the space, and on the frames? You will soon need to remove 1 of the frames and run with 9/body. 10 is real crowded once the bees draw them out and it makes for a frustrating time to remove the 1st one during inspections. Just make sure you start with 10 frames since you are starting with foundation. If you start with 9 you will get alot of poor comb. After you get 9 good frames for a body, just space the evenly. You can buy spacers but I don't think they are necessary. As to when you introduce, that depends on where you live. > When the frames are placed tightly together, they look like the following > top view: > > > > | (----](----](----](----](----](----](----](----](----](----] | > | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | > | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | > ~ ~ > | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | > | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | > | [----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----) | > > is this correct? Watch for brace comb along the outside frames. Take a look at Pierco frames or plasticell foundation if you want good comb and save a lot of time. Likewise, stay away from DuraGilt. > > Thanks in advance for the help. > -dz- > -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:01 EST 1999 Article: 15366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news12.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What is this "beekeeping" device on Ebay??? Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.114 X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 915203278 209.69.69.114 (Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:07:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:07:58 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:10:13 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15366 Ebay auction 52196995 is a "RARE Hubbard Section Press - bee box mfg. " Does anyone know what this is and how it was used? I thought a section press was used for putting together the little basswood boxes for comb honey, but this thing is BIG; Five feet long and 9 inches wide. Could it be for clamping and gluing hive bodies??? From tomasmozer@juno.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:02 EST 1999 Article: 15367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:43:24 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 26 Message-ID: <368ABA9C.68FB@juno.com> References: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com> <368258A7.769C@juno.com> <36879AAF.7CCB@juno.com> <768goj$kbd$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 915118014 OCZ7E7JIA482ED11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: adamf@vt.edu CC: mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15367 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > Like? Please elaborate or have the person with the elaborative authority do > so. Maybe Tom Sanford would care to comment? you can contact mr. laurence cutts, florida state apiarist, at the division of plant industry office in gainesville:(352)372-3505...dr.m.t.sanford is familiar with these bees, although not directly involved in any research... > You mention PMS and AFB in the same sentence--are the symptoms for these > two diseases appearing sporadically? the pms/afb symptoms occur intermittently with variable intensity, perhaps cycling with the nectar flow and/or other environmental stresses...eventually most stocks succumb, but some hang on and bounce back for another cycle... > In the Mid-Atlantic I've noticed that varroa tolerance in stocks will > often be proceeded by huge breakdowns of PMS/AFB like symptoms. After > this, selection for further tolerance is easy--if there is anything > left. :)this is basically the phenomenon we are observing, working with naturally selected feral swarms that have survived these outbreaks, hived with limited maintenance under semi-controlled conditions at best...more like natural history than science at this point...maybe this thread has stirred up enough interest to focus more individual/institutional attention on the possible implications! From doyle60@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:02 EST 1999 Article: 15368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jan 1999 19:04:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981231224618.13903.00005178@ng98.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990101140414.09665.00004536@ng-fd2.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15368 Dave Green, Thanks for your post. I appreciate it greatly. I don't think you would find the song offensive in the least. Actually, he is not a beekeeper but a honey salesman in the 1850's. He most likely buys his honey from a beekeeper. The word "beekeeper" is not used at all. By trying to make my question as simple as possible, I have seemed to offend you. Though beekeepers may be honey salesman, mine is not. I could explain but do not really want to disscuss the story. I hope you understand. Even if he were a beekeeper, I still don't think you would find it offensive. I certainly never heard the stereotype that beekeepers are crazy. In fact, I began writing the piece because I thought it would be a great hobby. I probably will not add a reason for the honey salesman's belief. Perhaps just a guilt trip. Doyle60 From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:03 EST 1999 Article: 15369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: propolis tincture Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jan 1999 17:21:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990101122115.21157.00005460@ng95.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15369 Recieved mail requesting how i made mine, thought I'd post for all. Tintcure of propolis. take a quart mason jar, scrape up all the propolis you can get. ( what i do at the end of a season is remove all my cleaned out drawn out frames from my supers so that the frames can be stored in large rubbermade containers with PDB for wax moth control. Clean all propolis from the frames and super boxes and put it into the quart jar ) here we can purchace Everclear a pure 100 proof grain alcohol. its about 7.00 per pint. (close to medical grade even better actually ) pour the alcohol over the propolis to cover aprox 2 inches above the propolis. allow to sit for a week to start with, tightly capped of course. then shake around every few days. notice that the solution will seperate, add a little more alcohol as needed this will render more tintchure. you must not add too much, or the saturation point will be aborted and you will need more propolis. what i usually end up with is approx. 4 " of deep brown tintchur sitting on top of about 2 inches of a milky substance. use a very small siphon tube to draw off the pure tincture ( the top layer) store tightly closed until you collect enough to bottle and sell. add more alcohol to the milky substance and the process starts again. Only once have i been able to completely take up all of the propolis into saturation solution. I'm sure there may be an exact formula somewhere but by doing it this way ( drawing off top layers) you will always have a perfect tincture. Mine sold for 4.50 this year, i use little 1/4 ounce medicine bottles. thats 4.50 per 1/4 ounce, I'd say it's worth the trouble on a small scale like we work with. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From doyle60@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:03 EST 1999 Article: 15370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jan 1999 19:07:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981231140234.01059.00003981@ng-cd1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990101140730.09665.00004537@ng-fd2.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15370 Tom wrote: >Ever consider keeping a hive of bees before you write about them? Would definitelay put you in back in touch with nature. Yes, that is why the idea came to me. Do not assume that I am not in touch with nature because I do not keep bees at this time. Doyle60 From rustyho@email.msn.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:04 EST 1999 Article: 15371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Rusty" Subject: South Florida? Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:54:31 -0500 Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-15.tc-1.wpb.smartworld.net [12.14.110.143] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews05 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15371 Hello :-) Starting a colony here in South Florida soon---I'm a beginner---had one previous hive but personal reasons forced me to abandon it---so starting anew----Would like a mentor-----I Plan to start with 2 brood chambers and 2 shallow comb supers. Need tips on harvest first----like when and how------I am a BEGINNER--- From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:04 EST 1999 Article: 15372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis medicinal uses of ? Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jan 1999 00:07:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01be350e$43e8d820$4feb869f@default> Message-ID: <19990101190717.18272.00005913@ng145.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15372 > require information on the use of propolis as a treatment for colds etc. all we ever used it for was like iodine, on cuts etc.. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From Brownine@tinet.ie Mon Jan 4 17:32:05 EST 1999 Article: 15373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news-lond.gip.net!news-stkh.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Val Browne" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: propolis medicinal uses of ? Date: 31 Dec 1998 22:37:14 GMT Organization: Telecom Internet (http://www.tinet.ie/) Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01be350e$43e8d820$4feb869f@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: p79.castlerea1.tinet.ie X-Trace: spock.tinet.ie 915143834 12530 159.134.235.79 (31 Dec 1998 22:37:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Dec 1998 22:37:14 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15373 I require information on the use of propolis as a treatment for colds etc. Gerry Bee. From pollinator@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:05 EST 1999 Article: 15374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jan 1999 03:59:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990101140414.09665.00004536@ng-fd2.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990101225930.22193.00004630@ng140.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15374 From: doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) <> I'm not offended. If I were, I would not have given you all that information. But I was warning you of the possibility of offense in the beekeeping community (as if that ever stopped anyone before!) if you got a bunch of legends and passed them on as truth, and thereby made our livelihood harder. <> It is a great hobby. In fact hobbyists have a great deal -- an outside income to support their beekeeping. It's my livelihood. And I'm still open to discussion. Maybe I am getting a little touchy nowadays, because it seems to get harder and harder, and there is so little appreciation for the enormous contribution we make to America's food supply. Right now I'm overhearing the TV ad in the backgound of a new cough drop that touts honey, as if it were a serious ingredient, but actually has very little in it. Why aren't they prosecuted for fraud? There are hundreds of similar products on the market that take advantage of honey's good name, but are based on corn syrup, sugar, brown sugar, and a whole bunch of sweeteners with long names, but have practically no honey. All this, along with honey prices that would have been fine, just after WWII. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:06 EST 1999 Article: 15375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ochlockonee River Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jan 1999 04:09:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990101230918.22193.00004637@ng140.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15375 From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) >Would a bee museum be similar to a flea circus? Dunno. What's a flea circus? My dog may have had one, but I'm not sure. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From amschelp@pe.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:07 EST 1999 Article: 15376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ochlockonee River Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:35:09 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <19990101230918.22193.00004637@ng140.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c2p057.hem.pe.net X-Trace: victoria.pe.net 915255184 10088 216.100.28.157 (2 Jan 1999 05:33:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 1999 05:33:04 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15376 Here's some web info about the flea circus: http://www.process.org/OProcess/fleas/index.html http://www.pe.net/~magical/flea/index.html and here is a diagram of a flea circus in action: http://www.customcpu.com/personal/DHEROLD/fleas.htm In article <19990101230918.22193.00004637@ng140.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.com says... > From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) > > >Would a bee museum be similar to a flea circus? > > Dunno. What's a flea circus? My dog may have had one, but I'm not sure. > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm > From pollinator@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:07 EST 1999 Article: 15377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books for beginners? Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jan 1999 04:06:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <368ba636.67840577@news1.newscene.com> Message-ID: <19990101230617.22193.00004633@ng140.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15377 From: Warren Ransom (war@netaxis.com) >so i'm looking for reading material that would give me a good >indication of where to begin The best I've found is: The Beekeeper's Handbook by Diana Sammataro, Alphonse Avitabile, Roger A. Morse Diana's Page: http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/d/b/dbs8/ Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Jan 4 17:32:08 EST 1999 Article: 15378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jan 1999 14:27:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990101225930.22193.00004630@ng140.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990102092702.26864.00004998@ng105.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15378 > There are hundreds of similar products on the market that take advantage of >honey's good name, but are based on corn syrup, sugar, brown sugar, and a >whole >bunch of sweeteners with long names, but have practically no honey. All >this, >along with honey prices that would have been fine, just after WWII. I have been more aware of this myself Honey seems to be listed in the ingrediants after salt but before MSG BHA and BHT. Yet the word Honey on the box is usually larger than the brand name or the name cereal. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:08 EST 1999 Article: 15379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey's Good Name Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 16:27:45 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <368e4604.375084@news.jps.net> References: <19990101225930.22193.00004630@ng140.aol.com> <19990102092702.26864.00004998@ng105.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.237 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.237 Lines: 33 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.210.46.218!news-west.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.59.237 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15379 On 2 Jan 1999 14:27:02 GMT, beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: >> There are hundreds of similar products on the market that take advantage of >>honey's good name, but are based on corn syrup, sugar, brown sugar, and a >>whole bunch of sweeteners with long names, but have practically no honey. All >>this, along with honey prices that would have been fine, just after WWII. >I have been more aware of this myself Honey seems to be listed in the ingrediants after salt but before MSG BHA and >BHT. Yet the word Honey on the box is usually larger than the brand name or the name cereal. In the US we honor these thieves by helping promote their products with what little honey they use when they increase it.. The honey producers tax themselves several million US$ they don't get to spend in other ways to do this job. It all adds up to billions of dollars in sales of products that do not need to contain any honey at all and the use of hundreds of millions pounds of honey that would not have a market without the tie in's to other products. The down side is this makes the US a 3rd world country when it comes to honey prices as most US honey producers could testify as they see their bottom line turn blood red. the OLd Drone Los Banos, Calif. http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:09 EST 1999 Article: 15380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering advice please... Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Dec 1998 01:16:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3685BAC9.2510B4BC@golden.net> Message-ID: <19981227201614.10434.00002419@ng147.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15380 >1. I didn't get the Apistan in during warm weather. Can I just fire >several strips in through the bee escape hole so as not to expose the >colony to cold air? If so, will it be effective? > brood rearing is at a min during winter, so if you could get it directly into the cluster you'd kill off almost all varroa in the hive. alternately there's little movement so will it carry to the entire hive. why not wait till spring build up instead. >. How do I winter properly? I have heard people say to do things like >-reduce the entrance, -staple black tar paper (roof sheathing) around >the hive to soak up solar energy, -wrap the hive with straw, -drill a >hole in the top hive super to avoid dampness, etc. > never saw tar paper on a single tree sometimes bees will reduce the size of their entrance3 in a tree during winter put ya a small stone bout the size of 1/8 - 1/4 inch under the back of the top cover, this'll let that moisture escape also i saw a space into my inner cover edge bout the size of 2 bees point it to the front and let the top cover over lap it. now don't let your hive entrance get clogged wit snow and ice if they are still in the bottom box i'd say ya got plenty of food for now, but don't quit looking bout every 2 weeks Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From WND57@webtv.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:09 EST 1999 Article: 15381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: WND57@webtv.net (BILL DYE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beginer question Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:33:20 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 13 Message-ID: <12226-3686B5B0-50@newsd-174.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQP+3KRhiKR+LGEPyRPjvGsQKhWkAIUe71gJLDkzRQgaY1gdWu0HkE+dUM= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15381 I have a few questions about starting a colony. Can I set the hives on cement blocks and how high do they need to be. How far apart do the hives need to be. what are the natural preditors(spl?) of bees. What about weed control around the hives. and also some sites for bees and supplies and how to find a market for the honey. I've notied that there are different kinds of honey like clover,wildflower, etc. my question to this is how do you determine what type honey you have. thanx bill p.s. my home e-mail address is kess2@midwest.net From tomasmozer@juno.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:10 EST 1999 Article: 15382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dreaded hive beetle Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 06:16:23 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 6 Message-ID: <368E2A37.74AA@juno.com> References: <36781FE7.7070@earthlink.net> <367BCC38.289@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.222 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 915294340 OCZ7E7JIA4FDECDD8C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) CC: phoenix@aug.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15382 for more on the status of the small hive beetle, which has been detected in the jacksonville, fla. area as well, see the bee culture online article by elzen et al. in the january 1999 issue: http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/99jan/99jan3.html From MAKABOU@email.msn.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:11 EST 1999 Article: 15383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Armand Boutte" Subject: Beehive Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:49:49 -0800 Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust125.tnt21.sfo3.da.uu.net [208.254.227.125] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews02 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15383 Does anyone know where to get some simple instructions on building a beehive? From adamf@vt.edu Mon Jan 4 17:32:11 EST 1999 Article: 15384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: 28 Dec 1998 06:31:12 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7678jg$il9$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com> <368258A7.769C@juno.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port15.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15384 >tomas mozer wrote: >> what we have found in northeast florida along the st.johns river may be, perhaps, >> a survivor population of feral honeybees apparently tolerant of parasitic mites, >> some of which have the apis mellifera mellifera mother line as detected by >> mitochondrial dna analysis at the university of florida beelab...they are by >> no means pure but rather mongrelized, yet somewhat smaller and darker. >> we originally suspected africanized hybridization was occurring since jacksonville >> is a major port of entry and we were trapping them semi-regularly (seasonal >> swarming) in our bait hives as well as finding them in bee trees , however no >> evidence of african dna, hydrocarbons, or morphometrics was found (to date)... >> it remains to be seen how they fare with the arrival of the small hive beetle, >> which has recently been detected in the area. Is anyone planning to do this? These guys seem to have the basis for interesting breeding combinations. Are any USDA types, breeder types or University types checking into this genetic avenue? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From Griffes@my-dejanews.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:12 EST 1999 Article: 15385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!solomon.io.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen rearing resources Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:45:19 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 51 Message-ID: <76mb2g$hgt$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <01be34e9$3f17c7e0$43c6480c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.29 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jan 02 23:45:19 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15385 In article <01be34e9$3f17c7e0$43c6480c@default>, "George Styer" wrote: > As a hobbiest, I want to try to raise some Q's this spring for some splits > and re-queening. I have read Laidlaw's Contemporary Queen Rearing which has > more info than I need. I also read in the Nov 98 ABJ about the so called > Cloak Board method. What is a god method or resource for a hobbiest to > raise a few queens. I currently have 2 hives and will select the best queen > to be the breeder. > > Why raise the instead of buy them? Education. Use the "Miller" method. Top bar with WAX starter strip is placed in middle of breeder colony brood nest during a Swarm Season flow. As they begin to draw the comb the queen will lay up started cells with eggs. Once that occurs (won't take long if conditions are right) you pull out the queen to reduce queen pheremone and get them ready to draw cells. (put her in a nuc for the moment) Trim the newly started comb back to leave the very small larvae on the lower edge and put it back in the now queenless colony. (very small equals no larger than one and a half times the size of an egg - same size we would graft) Put the frame back in middle of brood nest of the now queenless colony. In 10 days (assuming you trimmed back to right age larvae) you have cells ready to plant. Carefully cut them off leaving wax up top to press into combs of mating nucs. This method will only give you a few good cells but you do not have to graft. Prepare your mating nucs on day 9 after trim back. Plant at least two good cells in each mating nuc on day 10. Can make nucs above a double screen OR just use a piece of plywood to separate nuc from parent colony (get fancy and make a bee space rim on it if you like OR forget it if you already have a auger hole in the box being used as a nuc and just face the entrance of the nuc toward the OPPOSITE direction of parent entrance). Making nuc up top gives them some heat advantage PLUS allows you to run the unit as a two queener for a while and upon pulling the double screen or dividing board at start of aimed for flow the UPPER queen usually ends up being the only queen in time (mark her a different color so you can see as this is being done for educational reasons). Your new queens should be laying two weeks after planting cells. You will NOT get 100% take (if you get lucky you may with just two some of the time) - sometimes you are doing good to get 60% take - other times you will get over 90% take - if you start early and end late rearing queens over the whole season you are doing well to get 75% avg. take. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From cheatherly@mms.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:12 EST 1999 Article: 15386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <368EC0C0.6F732963@mms.net> From: Charles Heatherly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 19:58:40 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.249.203 X-Trace: ralph.vnet.net 915325518 166.82.249.203 (Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:05:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:05:18 EDT Organization: Vnet Internet Access Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15386 Armand Boutte wrote: > Does anyone know where to get some simple instructions on building a > beehive? Armand: The best way is to buy an old hive and use it as a model. You should know that the measurements of a hive are precise, otherwise, bees will glue the place together with propolis and you'll never get it apart. Charles Heatherly Cary, NC From cheatherly@mms.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:13 EST 1999 Article: 15387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <368EC338.2B737EDC@mms.net> From: Charles Heatherly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? References: <19981231102154.01040.00000733@ng-cg1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:09:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.249.203 X-Trace: ralph.vnet.net 915326150 166.82.249.203 (Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:15:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:15:50 EDT Organization: Vnet Internet Access Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15387 DOYLE60 wrote: > Thanks for the answers. Here is another question: > > I am writing a humorous song on a beekeeper. I need a reason why the bees > would be mad at the beekeeper for taking the honey. In my song the beekeeper > believes that his bees are swarming after him. He's a bit "touched," if you > dont mind. > > The reason has to be very simple and be able to be expressed in very few words. > > I am still looking for the pronounciation of Ochlockonee and am amused that > Dave mentioned the Pee Dee River. There is an original manuscript of Stephen > Foster's song "Old Folks at Home (Swannee River)" with "Pee Dee" crossed out > and "Swannee" written in. I must be on the right track. > > Doyle60 Doyle, The bees will get angry at a beekeeper for a number of reasons, in addition to the "Larceny" of their honey. They don't like for you to breathe on them. CO2 sends them in orbit. Rough handling will do the same, as will dark clothing. Hope this helps. Charles Heatherly, Cary, NC From mae@indy.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:14 EST 1999 Article: 15388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!WCG!web.onecall.net!news!not-for-mail From: mary ann elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehive Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:24:15 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <368E806F.24EA@indy.net> References: Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip209-183-89-148.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.indy.net 915326154 21655 209.183.89.148 (3 Jan 1999 01:15:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jan 1999 01:15:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15388 Armand Boutte wrote: > > Does anyone know where to get some simple instructions on building a > beehive? Storey Books WWW.storeybooks.com has plans for Beehives and Extractors. Tobi and Mary From antm@dsuper.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:14 EST 1999 Article: 15389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!news1.interlink.net!news1.interlink.net!delphi.dsuper.net!not-for-mail From: "Andrei Iv.M." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maybe somebody knows....? Date: 3 Jan 1999 00:37:29 GMT Organization: Delphi SuperNet Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01be36b1$f2501b40$5faa8bcf@andrei> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12-asc-95.dsuper.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15389 Can I found the job on the beefarm ? (If it really. ) Maybe somebody knows the special pleases in the web ( I can't found this info.) I'll be gratitude for anyone information. ( I've the interest in Canada, in a season 1999 ...) From bmblanch@gis.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:15 EST 1999 Article: 15390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "Barry Blanchard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehive Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:37:28 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 11 Message-ID: <76mhnu$bpn$1@remarQ.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.41.30.158 X-Trace: 915327550 TWNY2XU9G1E9ED829C usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15390 Try This Link: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html. It contains plans for everything you need. Barry Blanchard Armand Boutte wrote in message ... >Does anyone know where to get some simple instructions on building a >beehive? > > From lithar@midwest.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:16 EST 1999 Article: 15391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehive Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 22:35:29 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 10 Message-ID: <368F0FB1.2EB6@midwest.net> References: Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 915338335 .ZFUVYH4M1C20D0EBC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15391 Armand Boutte wrote: > > Does anyone know where to get some simple instructions on building a > beehive? http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html AL From aai@business.israel.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:16 EST 1999 Article: 15392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.new-york.net!news.actcom.co.il!not-for-mail From: "AAI Ltd. - Shoshi Cohen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Agritech 99 exhibition Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 10:11:52 +0200 Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services 1-800-300123 info@actcom.co.il Lines: 43 Message-ID: <368F2647.5C0C6304@business.israel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.114.82.169 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15392 Dear madam / sir, We would like to invite you to visit the Agritech 99 exhibition. The 14th International Agriculture Exhibition, Haifa, Israel, September 5 - 9, 1999. Agritech is the showplace for new developments in agrotechnologies. At this triennial event, you will have the opportunity to meet and do business with leading agricultural experts >from all over the world. Subjects covered: Water and irrigation Greenhouses and horticulture Dairy farming, sheep and goats Biotechnology Seeds & propagation materials Vegetables Floriculture Plasticulture Fruits & citrus Poultry farming Field crops Aquaculture Machinery & equipment Chemical & organic fertilizer Veterinary and feeding systems Post harvest treatment Chemical & biological plant protection The exhibition’s web site: http://www.agritech.org.il provides valuable information about the exhibition and Israel’s agriculture and is being updated continuously until the exhibition itself. Happy New Year!!! Best regards, Iphtach Cohen AAI Ltd. Webmaster From halsey@agt.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:18 EST 1999 Article: 15393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news.agtac.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news2.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <368FC526.3282B145@telusplanet.net> From: halsey@telusplanet.net Reply-To: halsey@agt.net Organization: The Hutchinson Family X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rookie - Help Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------CB35A81EEFFFB17B23F51ACC" Lines: 36 Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 19:26:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.115.134.248 X-Trace: news2.telusplanet.net 915391575 209.115.134.248 (Sun, 03 Jan 1999 12:26:15 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 12:26:15 MDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15393 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CB35A81EEFFFB17B23F51ACC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am in Camrose, Alberta, Canada. I would like to start beekeeping. Does anyone out there know of locals around here who I could call and get started? 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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:55:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: <19981231102154.01040.00000733@ng-cg1.aol.com> <19981231150812.27394.00004316@ng138.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915275657 nnrp-02:7072 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcqpSE1UkpoSZVq+> Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15394 In article <19981231150812.27394.00004316@ng138.aol.com>, Pollinator writes ><would be mad at the beekeeper for taking the honey. In my song the beekeeper >believes that his bees are swarming after him. I hope you know more about music than you do about beekeeping, otherwise don't give up your day job. -- Tom Speight From h.tait@home.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:19 EST 1999 Article: 15395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01be36b1$f2501b40$5faa8bcf@andrei> Subject: Re: Maybe somebody knows....? Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 21:33:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.133.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 915399189 24.65.133.74 (Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:33:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:33:09 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15395 Andrei Iv.M. wrote in message <01be36b1$f2501b40$5faa8bcf@andrei>... >Can I found the job on the beefarm ? >( I've the interest in Canada, in a season 1999 ...) Andrei Try the following http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BeeAds/ There have been several adds for help at this site. We can use help >from time to time, but do not have resources for full time help. hugh Saskatchewan Canada Boschman Hughs Apiaries From Curtiscrow@worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:20 EST 1999 Article: 15396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wiring New frames Date: 3 Jan 1999 21:44:59 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <76oocr$ih0@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <01be3511$6b4a4c20$0501a8c0@PC_Theatre.zickefoose> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.78.99.37 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15396 first: split off the top "ridge" - that piece is under the top bar, and becomes the "wedge" which is nailed back in the same position to hold the top of the foundation in place below the bar. next- the foundation you have is "wired", meaning it comes with wires running across the narrow dimension of the foundation (vertically, according to how the frames are oriented in the hive). The split pins are used to hold the foundation in place by inserting them in the frame ends, with the foundation held between the two "legs" of the pins. wire- you will likely do fine without wiring the foundation, but some beekeepers like to skip the pins you have, install brass grommets in the frame ends and weave wire back and forth on the same side of the foundation, then using a mechanical spur embedder or a electrically heated embedder, embedd the wire in the wax. This would be clearer if you can find a beekeeper to show you how. Some use additional wire and some don't. They are an opinionated lot and you have to decide for yourself what approach you want to try. /Curtis Crowell From doyle60@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:21 EST 1999 Article: 15397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jan 1999 00:47:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01be36ef$d4c4bf20$db0690d1@corbin> Message-ID: <19990103194743.29524.00005987@ng117.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15397 I didn't think honey bees lived in nests that looked like wasp's nests. But I still don't know what their natural home looks like. What? Doyle60 From pollinator@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:21 EST 1999 Article: 15398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HONEY WHOLESALERS/DISTRIBUTORS Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jan 1999 01:11:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <76o895$10l$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19990103201136.02629.00004941@ng151.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15398 From: BigToes86@aol.com (Andrew): <> Sounds like you are preparing a batch of mead. Check Jan's Sweetness & Light Shop, and click on Mead Makers.....or Honey Lovers....... To make a great mead, start with a great honey! Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From wcavender@aol.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:40 EST 1999 Article: 15401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wcavender@aol.com (WCavender) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HONEY WHOLESALERS/DISTRIBUTORS Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jan 1999 20:21:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <76o895$10l$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19990104152135.01057.00005994@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15401 try the national honey board at http://www.nhb.org they have a good list of honey producers around the u.s., some with links to webpages. From amschelp@pe.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:41 EST 1999 Article: 15402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:17:43 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <01be36ef$d4c4bf20$db0690d1@corbin> <19990103194743.29524.00005987@ng117.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c2p005.hem.pe.net X-Trace: arlington.pe.net 915488216 5801 216.100.28.105 (4 Jan 1999 22:16:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jan 1999 22:16:56 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15402 There is a feral hive that has existed for years in a horizontal crack in a big boulder in the Indian Canyons in Palm Springs, but you can't see inside. Many beekeepers remove hives from houses and barns and they can tell you what a natural bee home looks like. I keep top bar hives so I too know what their natural home looks like. If you look up at a natural bee home from the bottom (I fixed my one top bar hive up with hinges and two gate locks so that I can swing the bottom board open and check them out - maybe I will do that tonight! :0)) you see that they build their comb into structures which look like dinner plates set side by side. These plates of comb are thicker than dinner plates and they are flat at the top where the plates attach to the top bars. The row of plates has the biggest diameter in the middle of the hive and then the plates taper down to smaller diameters to the ends. Of course, each plate is covered intricately with cells on all sides for the larvae and the nectar, and the plates are crawling with bees. The plates of comb at the end are the newest combs and they are made of fine white beeswax. These end combs are the golden combs that I harvested last year after the honey cells were fully capped. MMMmmmmmmmmmm Good! In article <19990103194743.29524.00005987@ng117.aol.com>, doyle60@aol.com says... > I didn't think honey bees lived in nests that looked like wasp's nests. But I > still don't know what their natural home looks like. What? > > Doyle60 > From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:41 EST 1999 Article: 15403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!dogbert.supra.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!nntp.ntr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding through the winter Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 00:02:16 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <76p30t$r60$1@news.ipa.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 4 Jan 1999 23:59:45 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Jan 4 16:05:06 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 25 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp132.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <369253fe.43425167@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15403 "R & S Adams" wrote: > Novice beekeeper here - What is the most economical way to feed hives >through the winter, as most of my hives were late season purchases and need >feeding. I am using 1 gal jars of sugar water (4 lb sugar/gallon water) >up-side down in top brood box. Will this stuff ferment in cold weather? >Could adding small (tiny) amounts of ascorbic acid stop fermentation? It's >been 12 F for the past few days and the hives are iced over, will feed again >of the next "nice" day. > The syrup should contain about twice the 4 pounds of sugar per gallon of water that you are using. Make the syrup as thick as you can, which will cause the bees less work to take up the sugar, and also reduce the chance of fermentation. The recommendation of feeding dry sugar or hard candy on an inner cover is also a good one. It will not stimulate brood rearing as much as a syrup, and you probably don't want to build up the colony now. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From scp1969@webtv.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:42 EST 1999 Article: 15404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: scp1969@webtv.net (Steven Paust) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Time Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:39:16 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7598-36915F34-52@newsd-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <368f8a4d.0@news.clover.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1353575978-5799 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUArJlT0ydqEchVC1AcwtjzrAyZfqQCFEYw6QIppVQ+pAwsMnWrL2ZQAh1P Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15404 --WebTV-Mail-1353575978-5799 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit There are many reputable apiaries that sell fine package bees. Check out Bee Culture magazine for names and addresses. Not to promote any particular apiary, but I've had good luck ordering from some of the larger apiaries, such as: York Bee Co., Rossman Apiaries, B. Weaver Apiaries, etc. Gentleness depends on race, not particulary the apairy. I've found Carniolan bees to be the most docile bee I've kept, and I've had bees for 17 years. However, I do like Italian bees and have found them to be gentle also. All in all, it depends not particulary on the race, but also the knowledge of the beekeeper; e.g. using a smoker correctly, wearing loose, light colored ctothing, avoiding sudden movements etc., contribute to whether a colony of bees will be gentle. Best wishes and hope I was able to be of assistance. --WebTV-Mail-1353575978-5799 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-1353575978-5799-- From gerhardt@mail.index.co.za Sat Jan 9 05:48:43 EST 1999 Article: 15405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!iafrica.com!news.global.co.za.!not-for-mail From: "Gerhardt Fouche" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT : Agricultural products manufacturers directory Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:15:59 +0200 Organization: USKO Enterprise Networks Lines: 7 Message-ID: <76shl7$1sa$1@news.global.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.49.169.205 X-Trace: news.global.co.za 915524071 1930 206.49.169.205 (5 Jan 1999 08:14:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@global.co.za NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 1999 08:14:31 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15405 A user-friendly directory of manufacturers of products and services related to the agricultural industry is available and useful to people within the industry. Link directly to the agricultural sector – www.expo.co.za/agriculture.html From amschelp@pe.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:43 EST 1999 Article: 15406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehive Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:30:18 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <368F0FB1.2EB6@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: c2p094.hem.pe.net X-Trace: magnolia.pe.net 915341302 10930 216.100.28.194 (3 Jan 1999 05:28:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jan 1999 05:28:22 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15406 For top bar hives, try: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm In article <368F0FB1.2EB6@midwest.net>, lithar@midwest.net says... > Armand Boutte wrote: > > > > Does anyone know where to get some simple instructions on building a > > beehive? > > > > http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html > > AL > From graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 9 05:48:44 EST 1999 Article: 15407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: scottish beekeeping Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:05:45 +0000 Organization: at home Message-ID: References: <366EB3F1.4DD92D70@home.com> <19981210094448.06835.00000519@ng121.aol.com> <76ne92$c0o$2@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915379913 nnrp-11:23528 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 57 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15407 In article <76ne92$c0o$2@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net>, Harry Goudie writes > >SKEP615 wrote in message <19981210094448.06835.00000519@ng121.aol.com>... >>Lori , wrote: >>>I was wondering if someone could send me the sections from "The >>>Archaeology of Beekeeping" about the history of beekeeping in Scotland. >>What I am sending is the index entries for Scotland in "TAoB": >> >>Scotland >> Bronze Age burial, 238 >> prehistoric Orkney sites, 160, 161 > > >I take it that we are discussing the book by Eva Crane which I had a look at >a few years ago. Unfortunately since it it very expensive I do not have a >copy. I would be interested in what she had to say about the Bronze age >burial and the Prehistoric Orkney sites. I think there must be a northern >limit beyond which honey bees can't exist naturally and I think that >northern Scotland must lie on this limit. There was some discussion on >Bee-L some time ago about latitudes and beekeeping and I think one of the >points that was missed was that beekeeping depends not on the temperature >but more on the availability of food and I have my doubts that bees could >exist in Orkney in Prehistoric times. >Harry > > Harry Thanks to the Gulf stream, Orkney has a relatively mild climate and is rich with heather. Graham Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z _ Z _ (. \ Z / .) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ o /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Loggie Baird 1928 :-\ From Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 9 05:48:45 EST 1999 Article: 15408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK: beekeeping badge at cubs Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:11:32 +0000 Organization: . Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915529179 nnrp-01:5667 NO-IDENT adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15408 My 8 year old son has recently joined the cubs and wants to do a badge on beekeeping. Does anyone out there know what the requirements are ? -- Paul Walton Toddington,Bedfordshire, England LU5 6QF Email: Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk From bobpursley@aol.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:45 EST 1999 Article: 15409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive construction Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jan 1999 19:54:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <76tp8o$m9u$2@spock.tinet.ie> Message-ID: <19990105145425.22192.00007859@ng134.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15409 > >tell me if it is safe for the bees to construct a hive out of plywood. If >so,should I use WBP, Marine or what about OSB? I've found plans I tried it, but was disapponted with the results. The corners were not strong, and when full of Honey, the stress was too much. Cracks in the corners developed, and it became too weak and flimsy to use. I used Exterior grade. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jan 9 05:48:46 EST 1999 Article: 15410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive construction Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jan 1999 20:51:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990105145425.22192.00007859@ng134.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990105155119.22731.00002053@ng146.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15410 Plywood works ok Seal up the edges with some thinned epoxy like Gudgeon Bros stuff. Lumber works better IMO. If you are real slick you can cut the ply without breaking the veneer on the face and fold the box up. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 9 05:48:47 EST 1999 Article: 15411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping adverts Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:03:50 +0000 Organization: buzz Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915566997 nnrp-12:16601 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcqpSE1UkpoSZVq+> Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15411 Some weeks ago, during one of my surfs through *the net* I think I remember seeing a site or ng for beekeeping advertisements. Can anyone point me in the right direction please? One of our members is having to give up on health grounds and has a dozen or so Langstroths and all associated equipment to dispose of. -- Tom Speight Cumbria UK From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 9 05:48:48 EST 1999 Article: 15412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1 or 2 hive bodies? Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:07:40 +0000 Organization: buzz Message-ID: References: <36916FAA.44963076@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915566998 nnrp-12:16601 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcqpSE1UkpoSZVq+> Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15412 In article <36916FAA.44963076@worldnet.att.net>, Charles Gibson writes >I'm planning on starting a couple of hives this spring from packaged bees. >Should I start with one hive body or go ahead and put together two when I first >put the new bees in? > I would recommend two hives if you are prepared to buy two packages. But do not try to make two colonies from one package, or you are liable to end up with none. Regards -- Tom S From luichart.woollens@virgin.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:48 EST 1999 Article: 15413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.152.2.200.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: scottish beekeeping Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:08:02 -0000 Organization: Virgin News Service Lines: 24 Message-ID: <76ttnb$fb3$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <366EB3F1.4DD92D70@home.com><19981210094448.06835.00000519@ng121.aol.com><76ne92$c0o$2@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.56.150 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15413 > > >Harry > >Thanks to the Gulf stream, Orkney has a relatively mild climate and is >rich with heather. > >Graham Hi Graham, I was not aware that Orkney had a lot of heather but since I have never set foot on the islands I will take your word for it. However would the heather be there in earlier times or would it have been wooded? The climate although mild would seem to me to be too wet and windy to be much good for beekeeping. Presumably also these early beekeepers had no sugar and could not feed their bees. It would only take two consecutive bad Augusts and your colonies would be dead. I suppose the prize of a honey and wax crop would be a fantastic thing for these early people but I doubt if it would be possible. Harry From SNOMKH@sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:49 EST 1999 Article: 15414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!remarQ60!supernews.com!sas!newshost.unx.sas.com!sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com!SNOMKH From: SNOMKH@sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com (Marty Hobbs) Subject: Help! Bees are taking over! Sender: MVS NNTP News Reader Message-ID: <19990105155219SNOMKH@sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:52:00 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15414 My parents live on a farm in Harnett County NC and have a problem with honey bees. Over the years bees have created a hive / nest between the exterior and interior of their house. What would be the best way to erradicate them? My parents do not want to kill them, just get them out of the house. As you can imagine after many years of being there, honey is now dripping into their basement. I would appreciate any ideas, or names of people that might be able to remove them. Please email me: snomkh@wnt.sas.com From bandcnj@aol.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:49 EST 1999 Article: 15415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bandcnj@aol.com (Bandcnj) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dead bees on landing board Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jan 1999 00:11:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990105191127.01873.00007499@ng144.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15415 I am a new beekeeper--this is my first year. We have had a real swing in temps here in NJ. A few of weeks ago it was in the 60-70o range; for the past week or so it has been steadily in the 0-20o range. All seemed fine until this week. When I went out by the hive, I noticed a large heap of bees on the landing board and even more on the ground in front of the hive. It's too cold to open and have a look see. I did lift the cover to listen at the inner cover's hole for activity and couldn't hear any sounds or vibration. Is it normal to see many dead bees by a hive in winter or is my first hive a goner? I should mention that I took 20# of honey this fall. After, I made sure to feed them sugar syrup and medicate. My last chore, in mid-october, was to move all the honey to the top hive body and all the brood to the bottom (2 standard supers). Instead of an entrance reducer, I installed 1/2" hardware cloth. Carol From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:50 EST 1999 Article: 15416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen rearing resources Date: 5 Jan 1999 18:55:02 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 64 Message-ID: <01be38dd$21920c60$1b2e480c@default> References: <01be34e9$3f17c7e0$43c6480c@default> <76mb2g$hgt$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.27 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15416 Sorry Jack, I meant to send this to the NG and not to your e-mail. I have gone back and done some more research on the "Miller" method. It seems clearer now and thanks for the explaination. I guess when it is time to cut back the comb it will be apparent what to do. Sounds easier than grafting. One more question then I will lay out my strategy: Does the queen need to be removed from the breeder colony after the comb is cut back or can she remain below a QX with the Miller frame above? Didn't Doolittle use this method? (OK, that was 2 questions) My reason is this is a small city lot and I can't scatter a bunch of nucs all over the place. Here is what I propose to do: 1. Intoduce Miller frame in brood area of 2 deep hive. Baggie feeder (1:1) on top bars above Miller frame in feeder ring. 2. When the correct age larvae exist on the Miller frame, isolate queen below QX, cut back comb and move into 3rd deep above QX with 2 frames brood, 2 frames pollen/honey in the following arrangement: brood-pollen-Miller-pollen-brood. Feed (1:1). 3. 9 days later make up mating nuc by dividing deep into 3 bee tight sections with entrances on opposite sides. 1 frame sealed brood, 1 frame pollen/honey, 1 frame comb. 4. On 10th day transfer ripe cells to nucs, split 2 existing colonies and give additional cells to the queenless parts of the splits. 5. After the queens in the nucs are laying, 2 will be used to requeen the queenright parts of the splits and the 3rd will be used to make up a starter nuc for a friend. Realizing there are many was to rear a queen, in my mind this works. If it is seriously flawed I appreciate any input. BTW, I live in the central valley of CA so I should be able to get an early start on this. ---------- > From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: Re: Queen rearing resources > Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 3:45 PM > > Use the "Miller" method. Top bar with WAX starter strip is placed in middle > of breeder colony brood nest during a Swarm Season flow. As they begin to > draw the comb the queen will lay up started cells with eggs. Once that > occurs (won't take long if conditions are right) you pull out the queen to > reduce queen pheremone and get them ready to draw cells. (put her in a nuc -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail From mlomas@tinet.ie Sat Jan 9 05:48:51 EST 1999 Article: 15417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Mark Lomas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive construction Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:25:35 -0000 Organization: Natural Technology Systems Lines: 7 Message-ID: <76tp8o$m9u$2@spock.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: p153.limerick1.tinet.ie X-Trace: spock.tinet.ie 915564632 22846 159.134.249.153 (5 Jan 1999 19:30:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 1999 19:30:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.tli.de!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15417 I'm a novice beekeeper,but am a professional carpenter. Can any one please tell me if it is safe for the bees to construct a hive out of plywood. If so,should I use WBP, Marine or what about OSB? I've found plans online for Dadant and Langstroth, but need Commercial or National hive plans, can anyone help? Thanks. mlomas@tinet.ie From swheaton@ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:51 EST 1999 Article: 15418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Simoun Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:32:23 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3692BD26.7BDA9D55@ix.netcom.com> References: <19990105191127.01873.00007499@ng144.aol.com> Reply-To: swheaton@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: phn-az17-13.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jan 05 7:32:47 PM CST 1999 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) To: Bandcnj Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15418 Could be the drones, being kicked out by the workers when the weather turned cold. Sad but true, the drones eat and take up space but don't do much else. Simon Bandcnj wrote: > I am a new beekeeper--this is my first year. We have had a real swing in temps > here in NJ. A few of weeks ago it was in the 60-70o range; for the past week > or so it has been steadily in the 0-20o range. All seemed fine until this > week. When I went out by the hive, I noticed a large heap of bees on the > landing board and even more on the ground in front of the hive. It's too cold > to open and have a look see. I did lift the cover to listen at the inner > cover's hole for activity and couldn't hear any sounds or vibration. Is it > normal to see many dead bees by a hive in winter or is my first hive a goner? > > I should mention that I took 20# of honey this fall. After, I made sure to > feed them sugar syrup and medicate. My last chore, in mid-october, was to move > all the honey to the top hive body and all the brood to the bottom (2 standard > supers). Instead of an entrance reducer, I installed 1/2" hardware cloth. > > Carol From schwaller@schwaller.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 9 05:48:52 EST 1999 Article: 15419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Schwaller" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Sticking Together Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:35:40 -0000 Message-ID: <914880973.5661.0.nnrp-06.9e983336@news.demon.co.uk> References: <3675927B.7B05@stortek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 914880973 nnrp-06:5661 NO-IDENT schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 28 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!schwaller.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15419 Have you tried to use a longer knife to remove the super from the brood box? once having renoved the super make sure you scrape the brood supers clean the try to paint them with caster oil. I don't knoe if this will work but worth a try - Schwaller @schwaller.demon.co.uk Lili Krezel wrote in message <3675927B.7B05@stortek.com>... >Yesterday I opened my hives to remove the Apistan. Sunny, slight breeze, >47 deg. F here in southern Great Lakes region. Odd weather for December, >and the girls were "boiling" as described by other posters recently, >and very active in the top super. > >However, I COULD NOT lift the super (medium) off the brood chamber >below. I carefully worked all the way around the edges with the hive >tool to break the seal. I slid the flat edge of the tool between the >supers to slice any comb the bees may have built above the bottom >frames, but it seems a standard hive tool is too short to reach half- >way across the super. When I tried to lift the top super, the bottom >tried to come with it, lifting right off the bottom board. I finally >gave up as the bees were becoming very agitated by the disturbance. > >Does anyone else experience this? Are there longer hive tools available? >I believe the bees have enough room so it is not overcrowding causing >them to build comb between supers. When I put the Apistan in, I also >had this problem, but was able to cut through with the hive tool. I had >not encountered this with other colonies. > >Any ideas? I have to get those strips out! From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:52 EST 1999 Article: 15420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flaming Queens? Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:10:02 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <36880f19.8815945@news.jps.net> References: <7636ut$r7f$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <19981226201102.28988.00002276@ng146.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.62.122 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.62.122 Lines: 46 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.62.122 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15420 On 27 Dec 1998 01:11:02 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >i've had quite a lot of enjoyment out of the cordovan strain of italians from >glen apiaries in calif. unfortunately i cant get any more due to afric >quarrantine. Hi Kevin, You got a "line" from one queen breeder who has set up his own personal African bee quarantine for his own reasons. There is no African Bee or queen quarantine in California or is one planned. African bees and their decendents have been around in California for as long as 80 years and have never been a problem until the government got involved and now the papers are full of it, some you can believe, most is pure hype and pertains to the well known behavior of all honeybees in general. If you mess with them this time of the year someone gets stung, I would be surprised if it is not the case in your own back yard. >talked with glen ap last yr wanted some q, he said all they could ship east of >ol miss was artifical inseminated cause the afi were only 50 mi from them. >oh btw the artificals are 40 bucks each, others were 8 bucks, big time sucks I don't know if Glenn Apiaries takes their bees to the almonds but if they do they have been a lot closer then 50 miles from African bees and so has the rest of us. We have been getting the drifting drones >from these so called African bees from out of state beekeepers each spring for years without any problems. I would not worry about any of this Afro bee stuff until you read that California almond growers no longer want honeybees to pollinate their trees. Try to find a different bee breeder for Cordovan type bees. You would be better off in my opinion to have a suppler near enough to you and transport them yourself if that is possible. Good Luck Andy- (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From ddempdey@tco.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:53 EST 1999 Article: 15421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "Daniel D. Dempsey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen rearing resources Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:30:23 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3692D8CF.3283@tco.net> References: <01be34e9$3f17c7e0$43c6480c@default> <76mb2g$hgt$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01be38dd$21920c60$1b2e480c@default> Reply-To: ddempdey@tco.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.76.64.115 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 915593033 YISF2PV2T4073D14CC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15421 George Styer wrote: > > 1. Intoduce Miller frame in brood area of 2 deep hive. Baggie feeder (1:1) > on top bars above Miller frame in feeder ring. I would a frame feeder.(less chance to spill sugar on the larvie) > > 2. When the correct age larvae exist on the Miller frame, isolate queen > below QX, cut back comb and move into 3rd deep above QX with 2 frames > brood, 2 frames pollen/honey in the following arrangement: > brood-pollen-Miller-pollen-brood. Feed (1:1). I would use a double screen with a exit for the top super. I have raised good queens by just splitting a hive with a double screen. Kind of hard to tell the age and cut out the cells Dan From peter.springall@zbee.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:53 EST 1999 Article: 15422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: peter.springall@zbee.com (Peter Springall) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Movers are Coming Message-ID: <914886716@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:32:46 GMT Lines: 19 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/119 52d2efe0 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Trace: 29 Dec 1998 06:35:08 GMT, 194.112.43.78 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!colt.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!zbee.com!anonymous!peter.springall Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15422 Hi Al. I have been forced to move bees during winter and I would guess it results in the loss of the queen in 92% of cases. Suggest you carry on as out lined and when the bees break cluster in the spring, lay the log down entrance hole uppermost, place a 20" x 16 1/2" board with a hole the size of the entrance over the entrance and the hive with frames on top. Make it all secure. Arm yourself and a couple of friends with 2lb hammers and start banging the log low down. After ten minutes the bees will start to move upwards and the nest should be empty within 30 minutes. If you move the log about ten yards and place the new hive in the old position the day before many of the flying bees may go to the hive, but sometimes they are pretty smart and find their way back especially if the queen survived the move. I expect you will get plenty of advice but please do let us all know how you get on. Regards Pete. 50 years a beekeeper. Catford LONDON. --- * Origin: peter.springall@zbee.com Bromley Branch (240:244/119) From Barry@Birkey.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:54 EST 1999 Article: 15423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wiring New frames Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 19:37:44 -0600 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 11 Message-ID: <36901B65.17EE@Birkey.com> References: <01be3511$6b4a4c20$0501a8c0@PC_Theatre.zickefoose> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.172.74 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: Don Zickefoose Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15423 Don Zickefoose wrote: > > I bought myself the starter hive kit that I have been wanting for > christmas. > I have put together the hive boddies, painted the outside of them. put > together the bottom board, inner cover, and outer cover. Now for the And while you're at it don't forget to paint the inside of the hive bodies too. -Barry From mister-t@zzclinic.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:55 EST 1999 Article: 15424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <369364A5.EA0C7540@zzclinic.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:27:01 -0500 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board References: <19990105191127.01873.00007499@ng144.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p1-36.clinic.net X-Trace: 6 Jan 1999 08:28:14 -0500, d-p1-36.clinic.net Lines: 16 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.152.2.200.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.156.97.247!news.destek.net!d-p1-36.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15424 It could also be tracheal mites. Depends on how big those heaps were. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Bandcnj wrote: > I am a new beekeeper--this is my first year. We have had a real swing in temps > here in NJ. A few of weeks ago it was in the 60-70o range; for the past week > or so it has been steadily in the 0-20o range. All seemed fine until this > week. When I went out by the hive, I noticed a large heap of bees on the > landing board and even more on the ground in front of the hive. -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:55 EST 1999 Article: 15425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jan 1999 14:06:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990105191127.01873.00007499@ng144.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990106090605.09665.00007308@ng-fd2.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15425 > We have had a real swing in temps >here in NJ. A few of weeks ago it was in the 60-70o range; for the past week >or so it has been steadily in the 0-20o range. All seemed fine until this >week. When I went out by the hive, I noticed a large heap of bees on the >landing board and even more on the ground in front of the hive. It's too >cold >to open and have a look see. I did lift the cover to listen at the inner >cover's hole for activity and couldn't hear any sounds or vibration. Is it >normal to see many dead bees by a hive in winter or is my first hive a goner? Guys please !!!! don't jump to soon and ighnore the obvious. the weather has been too warm for the entire fall here on the east coast. The bees haven't even clustered in many places.so this sudden drop in temp prob just wiped out a lot of built up bees. what ya need to do is : lift the back of the hive if it feels light feed them very thick sugar water, make sure they can reach it too. a lot of beginners make the mistake of leaving a empty super on top of the hive bodies thinking they'll fill it near seasons end. work very quickly, pop off the inner cover, look down between the frames, if they're in there close to the inner cover put that food right over the hole, they'll take a gallon every 24 hours if they really need it. give em a gal take it off a few days then give em another, this lets the moisture evaporate. oh yeah put a small rock under the rear of the top cover oh just about the thickness of 3 quarters stacked. if it is mites it's too cold to do anything about it now. so feed the heck outa them, reduce the moisture with the rock and letme know if i can help out further. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From trivium@muscanet.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:56 EST 1999 Article: 15426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!nntp.giganews.com!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: Bluedorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A Beginner's Questions Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:36:41 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 20 Message-ID: <36938309.F196F028@muscanet.com> Reply-To: trivium@muscanet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.217.163.154 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 915637088 8JUHHDRUMA39ACDD9C usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15426 Dear Beekeepers, I am a first year beekeeper and I have just a few questions: 1) I bought five empty hives from a local beekeeper, how should I clean them up? Scrap them? Paint them? Someone told me to soak them in lye, should I? 2) Is it better to save money by purchasing used equipment or by building my own, or would I do best to order good quality hives from suppliers like Dadant and Walter T. Kelley? 3) What is a good way to treat my hives so they will last a long time? 4) What is one good practical book on how to manage my hives throughout the year that you would recommend? 5) How should I check on my bees in February and early March, what should I look for and what should I do to help them? (They had lots of honey stored up when I checked in November.) 6) Who are some reliable suppliers of good Carniolan package bees >from whom I could order this February? Thank you for your time in reading my message. I will appreciate any answers or pointers you might have for me. Nathaniel in northwest Illinois, U.S.A. From dverville@worldnet.att.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:56 EST 1999 Article: 15427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board Date: 6 Jan 1999 15:48:16 GMT Organization: Lucent Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01be398b$d53f85e0$97d64f0c@ma0940dverille> References: <19990105191127.01873.00007499@ng144.aol.com> <3692BD26.7BDA9D55@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.214.151 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15427 I would think that being in NJ, the drones would be long gone. Recently read some where about drones in the late fall/winter may indicate a failed queen. I have seen with my hives the bees so thick that I used a stick to clear the entrance. They turned out to be fine come spring. (Just like Ulee said, They're fine.) Dave Verville Simoun wrote in article <3692BD26.7BDA9D55@ix.netcom.com>... > Could be the drones, being kicked out by the workers when the weather turned cold. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jan 9 05:48:57 EST 1999 Article: 15428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping adverts Date: Wed, 06 Jan 99 12:32:41 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <182BEB077S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15428 In article Tom Speight writes: >Some weeks ago, during one of my surfs through *the net* I think I >remember seeing a site or ng for beekeeping advertisements. >Can anyone point me in the right direction please? surf to: http://www.internode.net/honeybee/beeads/default.htm From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jan 9 05:48:57 EST 1999 Article: 15429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board Date: Wed, 06 Jan 99 12:37:05 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 71 Message-ID: <182BEB176S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19990105191127.01873.00007499@ng144.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-pen-3.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15429 In article <19990105191127.01873.00007499@ng144.aol.com> bandcnj@aol.com (Bandcnj) writes: > ... a large heap of bees on the landing board and even more on the ground > in front of the hive. It's too cold to open and have a look see. I did > lift the cover to listen at the inner >cover's hole for activity and > couldn't hear any sounds or vibration. Is it normal to see many dead bees > by a hive in winter or is my first hive a goner?... > >Carol Carol, Can't say for sure what is the condition of your hive, so small answers instead. First off, it IS normal to see many dead bees around the entrance of your hive during the winter and in fact, many dead bees around the entrance during the winter can be a good sign! In summer the bees that die within a hive are carried off and dropped far away >from the hive. In winter they may merely be kicked out and be close to the entrance. In summer the majority of bees meet their demise away >from the hive hence you're not likely to ever see their corpses. In winter there are very few flights so bee demises are more likely to occur at home. Many corpses around the entrance can be an indication that the remaining bees within the hive are alive and well and are able to expel the bodies of their fallen comrads. And the fact that they have expelled the corpses is a good thing because the corpses have been removed from the hive. Many dead bees around the entrance is not reason to panic. Second, beware of advice coming from southern contributors about feeding heavy syrup to northern bees during the winter. It's just plain BAD ADVICE! We're approaching the dead of winter up here and the last thing you want to be doing is adding more water to your bees' environment. If feed you must, feed dry sugar or hard candy (search archives for hard candy recipes). Sealed honey is the best feed, but since this is your first year I am sure you don't have that available, so dry sugar or candy boards are your next best option, and only if you determine that your bees are indeed in need of feed. It may be the case that your bees are fine and would be best off left alone. Be aware that bad beekeeping can be far worse than no beekeeping! So, you need to determine if your bees are fine and ok. Listening at the inner cover hole was a good first step. That you heard nothing is more reason to be concerned than is the pile of dead bees you saw at the entrance. In these cold temperatures bees that are doing well will be in a tight cluster, vibrating their wing muscles to generate heat to warm the cluster. Note: warm the CLUSTER, not the entire hive. You should be able to hear this vibrating. If you did not hear anything at the inner cover hole you shound try pressing your ear to the sides of the hive to see if you can hear anything. Remember to take your hat off, remember to move your hair out of the way (I don't have that problem) and press your ear to all sides of all boxes and listen carefully for the buzz of the vibrating cluster. If after that you have still heard nothing you may be more concerned that you hive is dead. At this point you may want to open up and take a look-see. Be cautious nonetheless just in case you have bad hearing, and don't be too concerned about the cold even if your bees are alive and well. You will not be doing a full blown examination, just a quick removal of the inner cover, peek inside, if you see nothing split the brood chambers for the final determination, put it back together and close it up. Less than 60 seconds and you have your answer. If your bees are dead, no harm done, they can only die once. If your bees are alive you'll be more assured, your hive will be closed back up and you'll know if you need to feed or not. If your bees are dead, it's not too soon to be placing your orders for this spring. Wishing you the best results! Aaron Morris From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jan 9 05:48:58 EST 1999 Article: 15430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK: beekeeping badge at cubs Date: Wed, 06 Jan 99 13:20:46 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <182BEBBB1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19990105064037.01019.00006860@ng-fq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-pen-3.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15430 In article <19990105064037.01019.00006860@ng-fq1.aol.com> hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) writes: > The boy scouts over here used to have a merit badge in beekeeping, it was > dropped 2 years ago for some unknown reason. It was dropped because too few scouts were achieving it. Dropped for lack of interest. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:58 EST 1999 Article: 15431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!xmission!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK: beekeeping badge at cubs Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jan 1999 22:49:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <182BEBBB1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Message-ID: <19990106174953.24758.00006128@ng149.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15431 >> The boy scouts over here used to have a merit badge in beekeeping, it was >> dropped 2 years ago for some unknown reason. > >It was dropped because too few scouts were achieving it. Dropped for >lack of interest. > WELL THEN BY GOD, LET US REINTEREST THEM !!!!!!!!!!!! I HEREBY CALL FOR A DELUGE OF MAIL BE LAID UPONST THEIR DOORSTEP !!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:59 EST 1999 Article: 15432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jan 1999 22:55:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <182BEB176S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Message-ID: <19990106175536.24758.00006133@ng149.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15432 >Second, beware of advice coming from southern contributors about feeding >heavy syrup to northern bees during the winter. It's just plain BAD >ADVICE! We're approaching the dead of winter up here and the last thing >you want to be doing is adding more water to your bees' environment. >If feed you must, feed dry sugar or hard candy (search a Forgive me ladies and gentlemen, I stand corrected. I had suggested heavy syrup which in this area would be fine. Of course up north it would not. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From ZADIGVOLTA@prodigy.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:59 EST 1999 Article: 15433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:53:05 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services, Inc Lines: 8 Message-ID: <770pno$2ihi$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <19990105191127.01873.00007499@ng144.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmbrb309-32.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 915663416 1408643 209.156.49.101 (6 Jan 1999 22:56:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 1999 22:56:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15433 Roll up a magazine, press one end against the side of the hive and press your ear against the other end. Hit a side of the hive with a hard object. You should easily hear your bees and even be able to determine their strength after some trial and error. Pour the granulated sugar around the inner cover's hole but on the cover itself. It works very well but seems to make the bees a little more fiesty in the spring. Joe From lally@chesco.com Sat Jan 9 05:49:00 EST 1999 Article: 15434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: lally@chesco.com (Gwenne Lally) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive hanging from branch? Message-ID: Lines: 12 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:51:49 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.195.201.89 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 915659132 209.195.201.89 (Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:45:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:45:32 EDT Organization: Chester County Internet Services (chesco.com) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15434 Honeybees live in the soffit outside my bedroom and this past summer they swarmed. Just a couple of weeks ago I noticed a football-shaped brownish something hanging from a tree limb near the soffit. It's bigger than afootball, and looks sort of like an oversized bunch of melting brown bananas. "Honecomb" shaped cells are visible through the "skin" of some of the "bananas". Is it a bee hive from the honeybees, something else, or what? Thanks for clearing up the mystery. Gwenne Lally lally@chesco.com From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jan 9 05:49:01 EST 1999 Article: 15435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1 or 2 hive bodies? Date: Wed, 06 Jan 99 13:23:44 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <182BEBC66S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <36916FAA.44963076@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!news-stk-1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15435 In article <36916FAA.44963076@worldnet.att.net> Charles Gibson writes: > I'm planning on starting a couple of hives this spring from packaged bees. > Should I start with one hive body or go ahead and put together two when I > first put the new bees in? > Ah, English is a funny language. If your question is should you install your package into 2 hive bodies initially, the the answer is no, install the package into a single hive body and let them build into it before you add the second hive body. If your question is should you put together the hive bodies now so they are ready when you need them, then by all means, put together your equipment now while it's cold and you have the time so you're fully prepared when your bees arrive. I sincerely hope the question you asked was the second I answered because if it was the first it hints that you have not read or if you have read then you didn't understand the advice given in ANY beginner's book on keeping bees about how it's done. So while you're putting together your brood chambers, build a few supers too (NOW, while you have the time) and read or reread a beginner's book or two. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jan 9 05:49:01 EST 1999 Article: 15436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive hanging from branch? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jan 1999 22:46:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990106174654.24758.00006124@ng149.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15436 you're probably watching a tragedy if you are anywhere near the colder areas of usa. sometimes a late swarm will form, and with no where to go will stay in the first place they come to. It would be very rare indeed for the apis meliffera type of bee to survive in the open during cold weather. where are you ? perhaps a local beekeeper could rescue the swarm, if you're willing to pay to feed them all winter. otherwise they're toast ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From BlancoB@email.msn.com Sat Jan 9 05:49:02 EST 1999 Article: 15437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Berny Blanco" References: <19990101122115.21157.00005460@ng95.aol.com> Subject: Re: propolis tincture Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:22:14 -0500 Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust20.tnt2.fort-lauderdale.fl.da.uu.net [208.250.216.20] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews02 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15437 Sorry I'm new at this, what is tintcure of propolis used for????. From lithar@midwest.net Sat Jan 9 05:49:03 EST 1999 Article: 15438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!remarQ60!supernews.com!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 19:49:35 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 13 Message-ID: <36942ECF.4256@midwest.net> References: <19990105191127.01873.00007499@ng144.aol.com> <770pno$2ihi$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 915673784 .ZFUVYH4M1CD D0EBC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15438 Zadigvolta wrote: > > Roll up a magazine, press one end against the side of the hive and press > your ear against the other end. Hit a side of the hive with a hard object. > You should easily hear your bees and even be able to determine their > strength after some trial and error. Or get a stethoscope for a few bucks. AL From lithar@midwest.net Sat Jan 9 05:49:03 EST 1999 Article: 15439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:35:04 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 32 Message-ID: <36944788.50AE@midwest.net> References: <19990105191127.01873.00007499@ng144.aol.com> <770pno$2ihi$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <36942ECF.4256@midwest.net> <36941FC4.10E2@povn.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 915679859 .ZFUVYH4M1CD D0EBC usenet54.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15439 J. F Hensler wrote: > > AL wrote: > > > > Zadigvolta wrote: > > > > > > Roll up a magazine, press one end against the side of the hive and press > > > your ear against the other end. Hit a side of the hive with a hard object. > > > You should easily hear your bees and even be able to determine their > > > strength after some trial and error. > > > > Or get a stethoscope for a few bucks. > > > > AL > > Yo Al, Zadigvolta, et al: > > Yeah, and as an extra added attraction you can also use the stethoscope > to play doctor with during the off season. Oh, you already knew > that... :-) > > Skip > Don't knock it man, the babes dig it.... (just kidding - no flame please!!!) AL From hensler@povn.com Sat Jan 9 05:49:04 EST 1999 Article: 15440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:45:24 -0800 Organization: NorthWest Nexus Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <36941FC4.10E2@povn.com> References: <19990105191127.01873.00007499@ng144.aol.com> <770pno$2ihi$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <36942ECF.4256@midwest.net> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp200.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15440 AL wrote: > > Zadigvolta wrote: > > > > Roll up a magazine, press one end against the side of the hive and press > > your ear against the other end. Hit a side of the hive with a hard object. > > You should easily hear your bees and even be able to determine their > > strength after some trial and error. > > Or get a stethoscope for a few bucks. > > AL Yo Al, Zadigvolta, et al: Yeah, and as an extra added attraction you can also use the stethoscope to play doctor with during the off season. Oh, you already knew that... :-) Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From potbelly50@aol.com Sat Jan 9 05:49:05 EST 1999 Article: 15441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: potbelly50@aol.com (Potbelly50) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK: beekeeping badge at cubs Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jan 1999 07:56:33 GMT References: <19990106174953.24758.00006128@ng149.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990107025633.25458.00003417@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15441 In article <19990106174953.24758.00006128@ng149.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) writes: >>It was dropped because too few scouts were achieving it. Dropped for >>lack of interest. >> > > WELL THEN BY GOD, > >LET US REINTEREST THEM !!!!!!!!!!!! > >I HEREBY CALL FOR A DELUGE OF MAIL BE LAID UPONST THEIR DOORSTEP !!!! >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > Euntraprenral spirit still lives in America. (Now where can I get a good spelling book?) From n1vxs@juno.com Sat Jan 9 05:49:05 EST 1999 Article: 15442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!BILBO!not-for-mail From: Howard Cohen Subject: putting a screen on the entrance of the hive Message-ID: <3694C4E7.8C757B8@analogic.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 09:29:59 -0500 Reply-To: n1vxs@juno.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15442 I have been wondering why queen-excluding screens are not normally put on the entrances of hives. The screen should have a coarse enough mesh to allow worker bees through. It could be flush with the entrance, balloon around the entrance, or surround the entire hive. I can imagine a few advantages: 1) Prevent the queen from leaving and thereby preventing the queen from leaving the hive. This would prevent swarms. 2) Prevent larger insects, such as large wasps, bumble bees, and carpenter bees, from raiding the hive. 3) In Africanized areas, preventing Africanized bees from taking over a European hive, since the Africanized queen can't get in. The only disadvantages, I can think of, are the following: 1) There may be some congestion and ventilation problems, if bees cluster or festoon on the screen. 2) The screen getting clogged with dirt and debris. 3) Bee predators, such as spiders, may use the screen to attack the bees. They could use it to build webs. Are there other problems? Have you heard of them being used? Why are they not used? From lithar@midwest.net Sat Jan 9 05:49:06 EST 1999 Article: 15443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 09:59:41 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3694F60D.3717@midwest.net> References: <36944788.50AE@midwest.net> <19990107024800.21266.00002962@ngol07.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.12.86 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 915724983 .ZFUVYH4MC 56D0EBC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15443 Potbelly50 wrote: > > In article <36944788.50AE@midwest.net>, AL writes: > > >> Yeah, and as an extra added attraction you can also use the stethoscope > >> to play doctor with during the off season. Oh, you already knew > >> that... :-) > >> > >> Skip > >> > > > > > > > > > >Don't knock it man, the babes dig it.... > > > >(just kidding - no flame please!!!) > > > >AL > > Man, when I sent my post I didn't know everyone else had one too. > Now, on the babes part, remember to blow on it too warm the end first!! > > Let all work together to keep-um-humming > > Glenn We're still talkin' stethoscopes - right? AL From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jan 9 05:49:07 EST 1999 Article: 15444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive hanging from branch? Date: Thu, 07 Jan 99 08:28:24 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 46 Message-ID: <182BF772BS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-pen-3.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15444 In article lally@chesco.com (Gwenne Lally) writes: > ... Just a couple of weeks ago I noticed a football-shaped brownish >something hanging from a tree limb near the soffit. It's bigger than >a football, and looks sort of like an oversized bunch of melting brown >bananas. "Honecomb" shaped cells are visible through the "skin" of some of >the "bananas". Is it a bee hive from the honeybees, something else, or >what? > Gwenne, Sounds like the remains of a hornet's nest to me. A honeycomb (hexagonal) pattern is common to many species of bees. Mathematically a hex pattern is the most efficient manner to maximize availailable space while minimizing construction material. In a single cell, two of the walls are shared by the adjacent cells - maximum area, minimum material! To me this is one of the truely wonderous things about bees! I wonder when the bees took those geometry classes? Anyway, what makes me think it's a hornet's nest is your description of the "skin". The exterion of a hornet's nest is a papery "skin" which is sufficient protection from summer breezes buffered by tree leaves. Most hornet nests go undetected until leaves fall and the nest is exposed. The paper "skin" will not hold up to winter winds, which tear it away and expose the hex patterned combs within. Although honeybees sometimes do build exposed combs, it is a rare occurance. Honeybees prefer to build their combs in a sheltered cavity such as a hollow tree or the soffit of your house. If they do build exposed combs they build combs only, with no sort of protective skin. So my guess is hornets. If I'm correct there will be no hornets in the "football" at this time of year. Hornets are semi-scoial; the only hornet to survive the winter is the queen who at this time of year will be nestled in a state of suspended animation inside somewhere where it is (relatively) warm, like a rotting log. As I reminded readers yesterday, this speculation comes from upstate New York, where summers are like Mississippi and winters are like Siberia. Your results may vary based on your location (which you did not give). Aaron Morris - thinking it's hornets you gots! From itl191@online.kharkov.ua Sat Jan 9 05:49:07 EST 1999 Article: 15445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!news.alkar.net!aladon!ktts!infocom!not-for-mail From: "Sergey Beketov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New member of this group Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:35:40 +0300 Organization: ITL Communications Lines: 8 Message-ID: <772k9o$qeh$1@zingaia.itl.net.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.itl.net.ua Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: zingaia.itl.net.ua 915723384 27089 62.244.4.131 (7 Jan 1999 15:36:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@itl.net.ua NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jan 1999 15:36:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15445 Hi there all, I'm too glad to join your group, because I'm too in bees and it's products.. ...I'll be very glad if some of you can help me to find out the sellers of bee wax, in great quantities... Beforehand thanks, Alex From beetools@aol.com Sat Jan 9 05:49:08 EST 1999 Article: 15446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: putting a screen on the entrance of the hive Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Jan 1999 18:42:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3694C4E7.8C757B8@analogic.com> Message-ID: <19990107134245.01052.00007935@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15446 This is a question that comes up often in this newsgroup. Whay not put a queen excluder in the entrance to keep the hive from swarming? Because it doesn't work. When the hive is in the swarm mode, the stop feeding the queen so that she will stop laying AND be light enough to fly. The slim and thin queen just marches right through the excluder. Secondly, it clogs the colony with drones who cna't get out through the excluder. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From beetools@aol.com Sat Jan 9 05:49:08 EST 1999 Article: 15447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New member of this group Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Jan 1999 18:43:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <772k9o$qeh$1@zingaia.itl.net.ua> Message-ID: <19990107134356.01052.00007936@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15447 Where are you located - beeswax is HEAVY and any savings in price will be eaten up in freight costs. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From ttuttle@unr.edu Sat Jan 9 05:49:09 EST 1999 Article: 15448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!scs.unr.edu!not-for-mail From: ttuttle@unr.edu (Teena Tuttle) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apimondia 99 Date: 7 Jan 1999 19:40:58 GMT Organization: University of Nevada, Reno Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7732ka$6p8$1@pema.scs.unr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tuttle.med.unr.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-User: unauthenticated_user X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15448 I do not read this group, but I would like to find people who will be attending this meeting next September. Please e-mail to: Jackie Joy jjoy@med.unr.edu From thegibsons@worldnet.att.net Sat Jan 9 05:49:09 EST 1999 Article: 15449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: Charles Gibson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1 or 2 hive bodies? Date: 5 Jan 1999 01:41:44 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <36916FAA.44963076@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: thegibsons@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.252.24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15449 I'm planning on starting a couple of hives this spring from packaged bees. Should I start with one hive body or go ahead and put together two when I first put the new bees in? From pollinator@aol.com Sat Jan 9 05:49:10 EST 1999 Article: 15450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollinator Publishes Children's Story Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jan 1999 01:47:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990104204733.29630.00006174@ng108.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15450 I've often thought it would be interesting to join the bees for awhile, to live with them and experience what they experience. After several years of thought, I put it down on paper, as "A Shirker, Not a Worker." This fantasy adventure is the basis of a children's story about Jill, a young bee who doesn't want to work, and is quite skeptical about the legendary "Time of Great Sweetness." Jill's attitude is adjusted in her conversations with the Ancient Mother, and her experiences in the developing spring season. And her experiences have some valuable lessons to teach children about participation in the family chores -- and other great works..... The adults that have read this also find it informative. The most common comment: "I didn't know THAT!" While the bees are humanized a bit, the basis of the story is factual, and informs us on the bees' experiences of hardship and harvest, pesticide misuse and pollination, the sisterhood of the hive, etc. If you'd like a copy of this 24 page book, illustrated with photos from my files, check with Jan at the address below, or e-mail me for details. Jan's Sweetness & Light Shop http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Pollinator@aol.com From boss@rfi-shielding.com Sat Jan 9 05:49:10 EST 1999 Article: 15451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rfi-shielding.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "The Boss" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping badge at cubs Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:01:33 -0000 Message-ID: <915544940.5578.0.nnrp-10.c2dec323@news.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rfi-shielding.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: rfi-shielding.demon.co.uk:194.222.195.35 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915544940 nnrp-10:5578 NO-IDENT rfi-shielding.demon.co.uk:194.222.195.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15451 Paul I don't know the answer to your question, but I would think that the BBKA should be able to help you. For their details visit their web site www.bbka.demon.co.uk at the very least they should be able to put you in touch with your local Beekeepers Asssociation. Another line of enquiry could be your local education authority - they sometimes get involved in Beekeeping projects for children of Cub Scout age. Regards Philip Mizen Paul Walton wrote in message ... > >My 8 year old son has recently joined the cubs and wants to do a badge >on beekeeping. Does anyone out there know what the requirements are ? > > >-- >Paul Walton >Toddington,Bedfordshire, England LU5 6QF >Email: Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 9 05:49:11 EST 1999 Article: 15452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Stethoscopes (was dead bees on landing board) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:47:44 +0000 Organization: buzz Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915741954 nnrp-02:9906 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcqpSE1UkpoSZVq+> Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15452 In article <770pno$2ihi$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, Zadigvolta writes >Roll up a magazine, press one end against the side of the hive and >press >your ear against the other end. Hit a side of the hive with a hard >object. >You should easily hear your bees and even be able to determine their >strength after some trial and error. It's also a pretty good indicator of queenlessness too! If the noise increases and drops again immediatley, all is probably well. If the noise increases and takes some time to drop, it may indicate a loss of the queen. Anyone else use this method in winter/early spring as a quick check without having to open the hive? -- Tom S From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Jan 9 05:49:11 EST 1999 Article: 15453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board Date: 7 Jan 1999 20:48:37 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7736j5$kkq$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <36944788.50AE@midwest.net> <19990107024800.21266.00002962@ngol07.aol.com> <3694F60D.3717@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15453 Just a note to second the suggestion to add dry sugar to the inner cover. If the bees are dead, by definition there is nothing you can do except learn from any mistakes you may have made (no recrimination intended here) and get your order in for new bees. I recommend S&F honey Farm in Flemington, NJ as a source in the NJ area. Anyway, if you MUST open them up to check, just be sure you have plenty of sugar to add to the inner cover. No point in opening them up without being prepared to contribute to their probability of continued survival if they are still alive. The other thing I strongly recommend is that you ensure that there is adequate ventilation, allowing moist warm air to escape, rather than condense on the top cover and drip back down on the cluster. THis is another reason why some keepers recommend putting sugar on the inner cover. It absorbs the moisture, forming syrup. You can place a couple of small (1/4 inch diameter) stick on the front two corners of the inner cover and place the top cover on top to ensure this ventilation. If your inner cover already has a slot cut in the rim, the sticks are not necessary. Just be sure tht the top cover is adusted so this hole is not completely blocked. In general, the best thing to do with bees in the winter is as little as possible... Dave T. No Apistan for 3 seasons and still going strong! From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Jan 9 05:49:12 EST 1999 Article: 15454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!198.138.0.5!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: putting a screen on the entrance of the hive Date: 7 Jan 1999 20:55:56 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 5 Message-ID: <77370s$m45$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3694C4E7.8C757B8@analogic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15454 The previous poster is correct about why screens are not used. But half inch grid hardware cloth does make a good mouse excluder. I've actually had them gnaw through regualar wooden entrance reducers! Dave T. From pete@loshin.com Sat Jan 9 05:49:13 EST 1999 Article: 15455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.101!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.16.7!lwnws01.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3695403C.B7623773@loshin.com> From: Pete Loshin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books for beginners? References: <368ba636.67840577@news1.newscene.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:16:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.200.158 X-Trace: lwnws01.ne.mediaone.net 915751142 24.128.200.158 (Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:19:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:19:02 EDT Organization: Northeast Region--MediaOne Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15455 "war@netaxis.com" wrote: > > i am curious what people would suggest is a good book, or books for a > beginner?... I recently read E.O. Wilson's popular ant book, and was fascinated by his comments about ants, aphids, honeydew, bees, and how honey is made. My son (2.7 yrs old) was also fascinated, and somewhat repelled. So, I've been searching for more information about where, exactly, honey comes from. Can anyone suggest a book for me (an alleged adult) and/or for my son? Sorry if this is a bit off the beekeeping topic, but this was the closest forum I could find. Thanks in advance! -pl From ZADIGVOLTA@prodigy.net Sat Jan 9 05:49:13 EST 1999 Article: 15456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rookie - Help Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:22:58 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services, Inc Lines: 8 Message-ID: <773cba$4ud6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <368FC526.3282B145@telusplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmbrb111-34.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 915748010 1408643 209.156.37.195 (7 Jan 1999 22:26:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jan 1999 22:26:50 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15456 Just call your local police. They always have the number of the local beekeepers in case of swarms that escape and the citizens call for help. It is also a wise thing for a rookie to send postcards in the early spring to all the surrounding police and fire dept. advertising that you will collect swarms for them. If it is for free I assure you that you will get calls. Joe From ZADIGVOLTA@prodigy.net Sat Jan 9 05:49:14 EST 1999 Article: 15457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stethoscopes (was dead bees on landing board) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:32:27 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services, Inc Lines: 8 Message-ID: <773ct2$2lmq$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cmbrb111-34.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 915748578 1408643 209.156.37.195 (7 Jan 1999 22:36:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jan 1999 22:36:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15457 Tom, Bees do signal the careful beekeeper through their "sad" sound and sometimes also by an automatic fanning of the wings . No other way of describing it, but now you have me thinking that maybe it is detectable even during the winter because of the different time length of occillations. Have you personally perceived this over a number of years? Has anyone? 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Please come join us and chat with other farmers in Canada about Agricultural related topics. http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb303067 From nomad38@hotmail.com Sat Jan 9 05:49:15 EST 1999 Article: 15459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "nomad38" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey extractors Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 04:34:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.120.4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 915770062 24.65.120.4 (Thu, 07 Jan 1999 20:34:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 20:34:22 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15459 please visit our site at http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/bentl to view our line of products dealers inquires invited From dublgully@worldnet.att.net Sat Jan 9 05:49:15 EST 1999 Article: 15460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "David Gaida" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding through the winter Date: 4 Jan 1999 15:21:12 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01be37f6$f0ae7480$bb5f4c0c@default> References: <76p30t$r60$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.76.122.68 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15460 There was discussion of fermentation of these kinds of feeders on Bee-L. A number of responders indicated that they use 1 Tablespoon of cider vinegar per gallon of water. All indicated that it did not appear to harm the bees in any way. R & S Adams wrote in article <76p30t$r60$1@news.ipa.net>... > Novice beekeeper here - What is the most economical way to feed hives > through the winter, as most of my hives were late season purchases and need > feeding. I am using 1 gal jars of sugar water (4 lb sugar/gallon water) > up-side down in top brood box. Will this stuff ferment in cold weather? > Could adding small (tiny) amounts of ascorbic acid stop fermentation? It's > been 12 F for the past few days and the hives are iced over, will feed again > of the next "nice" day. > > > From rok101d@aol.com Sat Jan 9 05:49:16 EST 1999 Article: 15461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rok101d@aol.com (ROK101D) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Comb Honey Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Dec 1998 10:42:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19981231054253.29099.00004962@ng102.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15461 Spread it on hot biscuts. Eat it like candy. Put it on icecream From beeman@enterprise.net Mon Jan 11 07:56:50 EST 1999 Article: 15462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news.enterprise.net!not-for-mail From: "Adrian Kyte" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <76tp8o$m9u$2@spock.tinet.ie> Subject: Re: hive construction Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:09:57 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.72.199.123 X-Complaints-To: news@enterprise.net X-Trace: news.enterprise.net 915793703 194.72.199.123 (Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:08:23 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:08:23 BST Organization: Enterprise PLC Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15462 Hi Mark, I successfully used 7/8" ply for a brood box and painted the exposed edges with the epoxy glue used for construction, the box is still in use after 7 years. The only problem is that it is MUCH heavier than pine boxes that I have made or purchased. Good luck Adrian beeman@enterprise.net Mark Lomas wrote in message <76tp8o$m9u$2@spock.tinet.ie>... >I'm a novice beekeeper,but am a professional carpenter. Can any one please >tell me if it is safe for the bees to construct a hive out of plywood. If >so,should I use WBP, Marine or what about OSB? I've found plans online for >Dadant and Langstroth, but need Commercial or National hive plans, can >anyone help? Thanks. mlomas@tinet.ie > > From logcabin@qaiusqa.com Mon Jan 11 07:56:50 EST 1999 Article: 15463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01be36ef$d4c4bf20$db0690d1@corbin> <19990103194743.29524.00005987@ng117.aol.com> Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:49:11 -0500 Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.252.245 Message-ID: <3690e4c8.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.0.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.252.245 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15463 A tree with a hole in it ! I'll mail you a photo if you you need proof. logcabin@qaiusqa.com (remove the q's to respond...NO SPAM) DOYLE60 wrote in message <19990103194743.29524.00005987@ng117.aol.com>... >I didn't think honey bees lived in nests that looked like wasp's nests. But I >still don't know what their natural home looks like. What? > >Doyle60 From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Jan 11 07:56:51 EST 1999 Article: 15464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Dec 1998 06:01:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <368bd9b2.848789@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <19981231010130.05092.00004563@ng94.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15464 >Like >propolis, it's not a major crop, but the return may well be worth it. >Personally, I wouldn't bother, but then I'm only a small scale >hobbyist(1) > this year my propolis tinture sold for 4.50 for 1/4 ounce liquid ( little medicine bottle ) I'd say that was worth it !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Jan 11 07:56:52 EST 1999 Article: 15465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No Apistan for 3 seasons and still going strong! Date: Fri, 08 Jan 99 07:24:37 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <182C06835S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15465 Don T. wrote: "No Apistan for 3 seasons and still going strong!" Don, To what do you attribute this? Are you doing anything else instead? Just Lucky? Where are you located? Varroa levels dropped dramatically after the devastating losses in '95/'96 and have not been a problem in some areas, but their (varroa) populations are recovering. If you aren't doing any treatments at all, beware that year 4 doesn't catch you off guard. If you are doing something special, please tell us! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From flanders@probe.net Mon Jan 11 07:56:52 EST 1999 Article: 15466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: flanders@probe.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Trailering Hives Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 17:36:21 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 13 Message-ID: <775fml$dol$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.154.159.135 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jan 08 17:36:21 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.154.159.135 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15466 The January, 1999, issue of Bee Culture has an interesting article by Larry Goltz about permanently mounting hives on short (10-16 ft.) flatbed trailers. Among the several advantages he cites is the potential income from pollination contracts with small growers who only require one or two trailer loads, each carrying 12-14 hives. Has anyone in the group tried permanently mounting hives on smaller trailers? What advantages or disadvantages did you encounter? And, possibly most importantly, do you believe there is any real market for pollination contracts utilizing such small numbers of hives? (I'm located in eastern Nebraska. I assume my "overnight towing radius" would be 600 miles at best.) Thanks. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From skep615@aol.com Mon Jan 11 07:56:53 EST 1999 Article: 15467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive hanging from branch? Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Jan 1999 15:12:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3694D7C8.8041FF80@nospam.boeing.com> Message-ID: <19990108101226.03911.00000068@ng128.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15467 wrote: > >A stupid question from a newbe. Why did these bees build a hanging hive from >the branch of a tree? I thought most fallow hives were built "inside" >something, like a hollow tree. As we all know, bees respond to stimuli rather than taking reasoned actions. So it happens from time to time that honeybees are stimulated to swarm at times of year when they cannot take full advantage of the potential of their environment or when they do not have the advantage of the full potential of their own population. If honeybees cannot find a suitable location for a new hive within a short enough period after swarming, their second best biological option, leftover perhaps from their ancient tropical ancestors, is to build exposed comb at the place where they have temporarily settled, as on a tree limb. There is a wonderful picture of such exposed comb on page 340, figure 32, in Dadant's *The Hive and the Honey Bee* (1992 edition). > But from watching those Yogi Bear cartoons as >a kid they used to show beehives as a football shaped hive hanging from a >tree branch as the poster describes. What's the difference? Those cartoon images were hornets' nests, just as Aaron Morris interpreted the description originally posted on this NG. When the old cartoons wanted to show a honeybee hive, most showed a skep, a round, upturned basket, often somewhat pointed at the top. Skeps were widely used in Europe and America before the 19th-century discoveries which led to the moveable frame hive, such as was perfected by Langstroth, et al. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois (85 miles SE of St.Louis) send any e-mail to me at: YELKAO615 at AOL dot COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Curtiscrow@worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 11 07:56:53 EST 1999 Article: 15468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wintering over in NJ Date: 8 Jan 1999 15:20:40 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7757o8$1le@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.78.173.205 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15468 Checked on all of my 9 colonies yesterday. Removed mouse guards and cleaned small collections of dead bees from behind them, then re-installed (to promote ventilation). In some hives a few girls came out to see what the commotion was all about (it was barely 45 degrees). Colonies are in 2 full- depth hive bodies, which are still heavy enough to suggest they have plenty of honey still in there. No sign of skunk or raccoon damage to the mouse guards. In a few cases there was some moisture on the bottom board near the entrance, and I shimmed up the rear of those colonies to promote better drainage. From thegibsons@worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 11 07:56:54 EST 1999 Article: 15469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: Charles Gibson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1 or 2 hive bodies? Date: 7 Jan 1999 01:49:37 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3694148C.7F847A46@worldnet.att.net> References: <36916FAA.44963076@worldnet.att.net> <182BEBC66S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.229.165 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15469 Thanks for all the info, I have re-read all of my beginner's books and it seems I did miss the part about using one hive initially and then waiting until the bees had drawn about 8 of those frames before adding another hive body. From potbelly50@aol.com Mon Jan 11 07:56:55 EST 1999 Article: 15470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: potbelly50@aol.com (Potbelly50) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jan 1999 07:40:30 GMT References: <770pno$2ihi$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990107024030.21253.00003077@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15470 In article <770pno$2ihi$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, "Zadigvolta" writes: >Roll up a magazine, press one end against the side of the hive and press >your ear against the other end. Hit a side of the hive with a hard object. >You should easily hear your bees and even be able to determine their >strength after some trial and error. Pour the granulated sugar around the >inner cover's hole but on the cover itself. It works very well but seems >to make the bees a little more fiesty in the spring. Joe > > I hope this helps you "hear" your bees better. I have a blood pressure kit (over 50 you know). In this kit is a very good stethoscope like a Dr listens to your heart with. Works like a charm. I'm sure some of your neighbors should have one to borrow, and you don't even have to --open--up the patient. Good Luck, Glenn From potbelly50@aol.com Mon Jan 11 07:56:56 EST 1999 Article: 15471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: potbelly50@aol.com (Potbelly50) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jan 1999 07:48:00 GMT References: <36944788.50AE@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990107024800.21266.00002962@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15471 In article <36944788.50AE@midwest.net>, AL writes: >> Yeah, and as an extra added attraction you can also use the stethoscope >> to play doctor with during the off season. Oh, you already knew >> that... :-) >> >> Skip >> > > > > >Don't knock it man, the babes dig it.... > >(just kidding - no flame please!!!) > >AL Man, when I sent my post I didn't know everyone else had one too. Now, on the babes part, remember to blow on it too warm the end first!! Let all work together to keep-um-humming Glenn From adameden@ipa.net Mon Jan 11 07:56:57 EST 1999 Article: 15472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "R & S Adams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How many hives should I have? Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:04:25 -0600 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7769h6$ac9$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-4-227.jopl.ipa.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15472 My wife and I will enter our second year of beekeeping this year. We bought one package and then "collected a swarm". After a few auctions, yard sales,and buying out a retiring beekeeper, we now have nine hives in the backyard and potential of having many more with the equipment we have acquired. Both of us work and I was wondering how many is too many? From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 11 07:56:58 EST 1999 Article: 15473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How many hives should I have? Date: 9 Jan 1999 03:51:24 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 19 Message-ID: <01be3b83$3c3651e0$a7cd480c@micron> References: <7769h6$ac9$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.167 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15473 As a hobbyist, I would define too many as the number at which you no longer enjoy it as a hobby. At some point it will become a job. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! R & S Adams wrote in article <7769h6$ac9$1@news.ipa.net>... > My wife and I will enter our second year of beekeeping this year. We bought > one package and then "collected a swarm". After a few auctions, yard > sales,and buying out a retiring beekeeper, we now have nine hives in the > backyard and potential of having many more with the equipment we have > acquired. Both of us work and I was wondering how many is too many? > > > From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Mon Jan 11 07:56:59 EST 1999 Article: 15474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stethoscopes (was dead bees on landing board) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:57:37 +0000 Organization: buzz Message-ID: References: <773ct2$2lmq$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915885906 nnrp-01:14034 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcqpSE1UkpoSZVq+> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15474 In article <773ct2$2lmq$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, Zadigvolta writes >now you have me thinking that maybe it is detectable even >during the winter because of the different time length of occillations. >Have you personally perceived this over a number of years? Has anyone? >Joe Yes. I have used it for about 10+ years. It was a tip given to me by a long-time beekeeper who was then in in his 80's. It works all year round. -- Tom S From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Jan 11 07:56:59 EST 1999 Article: 15475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36944788.50AE@midwest.net> <19990107024800.21266.00002962@ngol07.aol.com> <3694F60D.3717@midwest.net> <7736j5$kkq$1@netnews.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.147 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 915873033 209.69.69.147 (Sat, 09 Jan 1999 04:10:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 04:10:33 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:12:45 -0800 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15475 No apistan for three seasons? what are you into, Sir? Oils, Breeding, cell size,What praytell? If you are a queen breeder are your resistant queens available yet? >Dave T. >No Apistan for 3 seasons and still going strong! From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Jan 11 07:57:00 EST 1999 Article: 15476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.sunydutchess.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.ultranet.com!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7769h6$ac9$1@news.ipa.net> Subject: Re: How many hives should I have? Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <0cFl2.2$KK5.103@news15.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.147 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 915873660 209.69.69.147 (Sat, 09 Jan 1999 04:21:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 04:21:00 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:23:15 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15476 Whan you don't want to deal with that mouch honey/ work, then you have too many. With 9 hives, you have the potential to get 900+ punds of honey per year- way too much to give away to most peoples friends. Do you want to extract, bottle and market that much honey? If you are going to sell it, make sure your extracting/ food handling area is up to snuff. I envy you your "Yardsales and auctions" - In 5 years, i've found little used equipment for sale- mostly smokers and ripped up hats and veils. You are indeed fortunate! Do be carefull to burn the insides of that equipment to clean up any american foul brood that may linger. Ellen Anglin, Michigan From shamblin@access.mountain.net Mon Jan 11 07:57:01 EST 1999 Article: 15477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <369778CC.52FAA0C4@access.mountain.net> Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 10:42:04 -0500 From: Herschel Shamblin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 55 gallons of honey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: slip21-8.summersville-wv.mountain.net X-Trace: 9 Jan 1999 10:42:30 -0500, slip21-8.summersville-wv.mountain.net Lines: 2 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.mountain.net!slip21-8.summersville-wv.mountain.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15477 What would 55 gallons of extracted honey sell for? From rustyho@email.msn.com Mon Jan 11 07:57:02 EST 1999 Article: 15478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Rusty" Subject: Queen food Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:57:01 -0500 Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-43.tc-1.wpb.smartworld.net [12.14.110.171] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews05 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15478 I have tried to post 3 messages asking for basic info on royal jelly and they never appear????? How does one produce and harvest this product????? I'm a beginner From 097323692-0001@t-online.de Mon Jan 11 07:57:02 EST 1999 Article: 15479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed00.btx.dtag.de!newsfeed01.btx.dtag.de!newsmm00.btx.dtag.de!news.btx.dtag.de!not-for-mail From: 097323692-0001@t-online.de (Juergen Kerzinger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Veroa Treatment Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 21:17:52 GMT Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3697c0d0.10956414@news.btx.dtag.de> Reply-To: 097323692-0001@t-online.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news01.btx.dtag.de 915916281 25825 097323692-0001 990109 21:11:21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.de X-Sender: 097323692-0001@t-online.de X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15479 Hi all, is there any body so helpfull to create a list of profed veroatreatment? I mean not aprofed by the goverment,but by the beekeepers. The list may differ by the varios countries. In Germany for example the goverment is verry restrictive, only "Perizin" and formic acid are allowed. Such a list may be helpfull, not for to do illegal things, but's allways good to know things Thanks a lot Juergen xx097323692-001@t-online.de remove xx From adamf@vt.edu Mon Jan 11 07:57:03 EST 1999 Article: 15480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe somebody knows....? Date: 9 Jan 1999 05:40:12 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <776q3s$uol$1@golux.radix.net> References: <01be36b1$f2501b40$5faa8bcf@andrei> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port14.annex1.radix.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.186.110.126!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15480 In article , Hugh Tait wrote: > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BeeAds/ > > He may want to write a letter to bee-l too. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Mon Jan 11 07:57:04 EST 1999 Article: 15481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How many hives should I have? Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:44:30 GMT Organization: Or Chaos: You Choose Message-ID: <369732fe.2232907@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <7769h6$ac9$1@news.ipa.net> <01be3b83$3c3651e0$a7cd480c@micron> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-68.dial.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 9 Jan 1999 11:43:11 GMT, ppp47-68.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!oronet!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!WCG!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!195.112.4.37.MISMATCH!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-68.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15481 On 9 Jan 1999 03:51:24 GMT, "George Styer" wrote: >As a hobbyist, I would define too many as the number at which you no longer >enjoy it as a hobby. At some point it will become a job. Agreed. also, if the honey harvest is severely reduced; it could mean too many bees after the same crop. -- kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk new quiz @ .../quizform.htm From kaspy@student.uci.agh.edu.pl Mon Jan 11 07:57:04 EST 1999 Article: 15482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Konrad 'kaspy' Palczynski Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: survivorship Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 14:15:17 +0100 Organization: Academic Computer Centre CYFRONET - Krakow Lines: 7 Message-ID: <36975665.3E703B4C@student.uci.agh.edu.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: oracle.ds14.agh.edu.pl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pl Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.man.lodz.pl!news.nask.pl!cyfronet!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15482 Does anybody know how to calculate survivorship of bees? -- -- Konrad "Kaspy" Palczynski ----------- -- http://www.kaspy.z.pl --------------- <- x-mas version !!! -- mailto:3941260@pager.mirabilis.com -- -- AGH - EAIiE - robotics -------------- From pollinator@aol.com Mon Jan 11 07:57:05 EST 1999 Article: 15483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 55 gallons of honey Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Jan 1999 22:53:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <369778CC.52FAA0C4@access.mountain.net> Message-ID: <19990109175335.03829.00004563@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15483 From: Herschel Shamblin >>What would 55 gallons of extracted honey >>sell for? East coast US honey is bringing 60 - 75 cents per lb, depending on color, taste, quality, etc. A 55 gallon drum will run around 630-640 lb. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From mcgarryt@westelcom.com Mon Jan 11 07:57:05 EST 1999 Article: 15484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!c01news01.service.talkway.com!c01read02.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "mcgarryt" Subject: races of bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 10 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 18:53:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.185.64.139 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 10:53:07 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15484 I would appreciate anyone sharing their experiences with the relatively new ARS-Y-C-1 Carniolan bees and with Buckfast bees and their tolerance-resistance to both tracheal and varroa mites. Are you managing them differently/ What treatments are you using if any? -- Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email -- always at Talkway. http://www.talkway.com From pollinator@aol.com Mon Jan 11 07:57:06 EST 1999 Article: 15485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 55 gallons of honey Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jan 1999 03:28:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990109175335.03829.00004563@ng-cg1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990109222823.05605.00005449@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15485 From: Herschel Shamblin >>What would 55 gallons of extracted honey >>sell for? >East coast US honey is bringing 60 - 75 cents >per lb, depending on color, >taste, quality, etc. A 55 gallon drum will run >around 630-640 lb. Either the price is still dropping, or there is desperation afoot. I (just this evening) heard of a load going at $.58 this past week. -ELA Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From beerich@bellsouth.net Mon Jan 11 07:57:06 EST 1999 Article: 15486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.atl!news3.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail From: beerich@bellsouth.net (Barry Richards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A few pictures from ABF convention Message-ID: <36982cf0.2222354@news.bna.bellsouth.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 6 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 04:33:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-214-120-177.bna.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 23:33:51 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15486 The 1999 ABF Convention is going strong here in Nashville. 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Date: 11 Jan 1999 07:56:34 -0500 Organization: SunSITE UNC-CH Lines: 17 Message-ID: <77cse2$63j@titan.oit.unc.edu> Reply-To: pfp@kinston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15488 Could you direct me to where I might obtain plans for building hives, frames etc. I am thinking of taking beeekeeping up as a retirement hobby. Paul Price Ontario Canada _________________________________________________________________________ This is a FAQ. How about a list of URLS and/or resources for on-line hive plans? I'll archive it and update it. Adam -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@metalab.unc.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees From malice@globalnet.co.uk Fri Jan 15 06:12:50 EST 1999 Article: 15489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: "Steve Crouch" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:20:45 -0000 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <77a2jt$keb$1@newnews.global.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.220.45 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15489 I am a British bee keeper interested in the purchase of Apistan Varroa mite treatment. My wife is visiting Vancouver soon, and I would like to know if anyone knows where she could buy some as I believe it is cheaper than in Britain. A price would be a great help also. George e mail to malice@globalnet.co.uk From dlpaxton@gate.net Fri Jan 15 06:12:50 EST 1999 Article: 15490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.flash.net!nntp.corpcomm.net!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: dlpaxton@gate.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive hanging from branch? Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:10:16 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3698b32d.770380@news.gate.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tsdfb9-7.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15490 On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:51:49 -0500, lally@chesco.com (Gwenne Lally) wrote: >Honeybees live in the soffit outside my bedroom and this past summer they >swarmed. Just a couple of weeks ago I noticed a football-shaped brownish >something hanging from a tree limb near the soffit. It's bigger than >afootball, and looks sort of like an oversized bunch of melting brown >bananas. "Honecomb" shaped cells are visible through the "skin" of some of >the "bananas". Is it a bee hive from the honeybees, something else, or >what? Well, from some of the other posts here I assume it depends on what area of the country you are in. Down here in S.FL it is not too unusual for a bee hive to start on a tree limb. As far as looking like bananas??? they look kind of like the tree has a bad case of 'roids. The hive usually takes on a look something like extreamly large stawberries instead of bananas. You get layer after layer of "sheets" of comb that are tapered down at the ends to make kind of a fan shape. They can appear brownish. Usually on a sunny day the light shines through the outer layers and they appear kind of golden brown. Also, usually, there are empty cells on the outside layers that can be easily identified. Big Dave From ZADIGVOLTA@prodigy.net Fri Jan 15 06:12:51 EST 1999 Article: 15491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How many hives should I have? Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:00:31 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 9 Message-ID: <77afho$9266$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7769h6$ac9$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmbrb111-19.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 10 Jan 1999 15:04:24 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/2ab993130b7620c0 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15491 It's inevitable that it will increase proportionately. You can't stop it, if you are a careful beekeeper. Start looking for customers to whom you can rent your bees (lucrative at times if they don't spray) and store owners who will take your honey. It will eventually be work but it can remain quite rewarding in many aspects. It could feasibly take over your regular work, depending of course upon where you live and what you do for a living. Joe From luichart.woollens@virgin.net Fri Jan 15 06:12:51 EST 1999 Article: 15494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: scottish beekeeping Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 09:47:49 -0000 Organization: Virgin News Service Lines: 25 Message-ID: <76ne92$c0o$2@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <366EB3F1.4DD92D70@home.com> <19981210094448.06835.00000519@ng121.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.120.56 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15494 SKEP615 wrote in message <19981210094448.06835.00000519@ng121.aol.com>... >Lori , wrote: >>I was wondering if someone could send me the sections from "The >>Archaeology of Beekeeping" about the history of beekeeping in Scotland. >What I am sending is the index entries for Scotland in "TAoB": > >Scotland > Bronze Age burial, 238 > prehistoric Orkney sites, 160, 161 I take it that we are discussing the book by Eva Crane which I had a look at a few years ago. Unfortunately since it it very expensive I do not have a copy. I would be interested in what she had to say about the Bronze age burial and the Prehistoric Orkney sites. I think there must be a northern limit beyond which honey bees can't exist naturally and I think that northern Scotland must lie on this limit. There was some discussion on Bee-L some time ago about latitudes and beekeeping and I think one of the points that was missed was that beekeeping depends not on the temperature but more on the availability of food and I have my doubts that bees could exist in Orkney in Prehistoric times. Harry From corbee@cowtown.net Fri Jan 15 06:12:52 EST 1999 Article: 15495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "corbee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Date: 3 Jan 1999 07:57:32 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 33 Message-ID: <01be36ef$d4c4bf20$db0690d1@corbin> References: <19981231102154.01040.00000733@ng-cg1.aol.com> <19981231150812.27394.00004316@ng138.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.144.6.219 X-Trace: 915350252 IEVX63V.C06DBD190C usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15495 Pollinator wrote in article <19981231150812.27394.00004316@ng138.aol.com>... > From: doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) > > < would be mad at the beekeeper for taking the honey. In my song the beekeeper > believes that his bees are swarming after him. He's a bit "touched," if you > dont mind. ... > beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) (Tom) responds: > > <> > > I'll second that motion. There is so much off-the-wall stuff written about > bees by those who believe folk legends, old wives tales, and Hollywood, that it > would definitely be wise to actually get involved. ... Ditto to that and not only written, but pictured. I wish some could get the bee skip / wasp nest information correct. Just saw another product in the store advertising honey in the item - and there it was again, a hornet's nest with what appears to be honey bees flying around. The new clip art I received for Christmas lists honey bees - there it is again, a hornet's nest swinging from a tree limb and "honey bees?" Corbee From RockRabbitRobin@Hotmail.com Fri Jan 15 06:12:53 EST 1999 Article: 15496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.shore.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!iafrica.com!nnrp01.iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plans for equipment on the net? Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:58:59 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 8 Message-ID: <77clhl$3qs$1@nnrp01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: algernon.datavoice.co.za X-Trace: nnrp01.iafrica.com 916052341 3932 196.3.229.107 (11 Jan 1999 10:59:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@iafrica.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jan 1999 10:59:01 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15496 Are there any sites that give plans for wax extractors, decapping tools etc on the internet? I can't find anything to useful. From RockRabbitRobin@Hotmail.com Fri Jan 15 06:12:53 EST 1999 Article: 15497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!iafrica.com!nnrp01.iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Filtering honey after extraction Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:58:17 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 9 Message-ID: <77clgb$3i7$1@nnrp01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: algernon.datavoice.co.za X-Trace: nnrp01.iafrica.com 916052299 3655 196.3.229.107 (11 Jan 1999 10:58:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@iafrica.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jan 1999 10:58:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15497 I am having problem filtering the honey after it has been extracted. I put a sieve under the tape before it goes into my bucket. But there is still a large number of impurities. How do I remove these before I bottle it? From BobCan@Clover.Net Fri Jan 15 06:12:54 EST 1999 Article: 15498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Bob Cannaday" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Time Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 10:23:42 -0500 Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.151.190.137 Message-ID: <368f8a4d.0@news.clover.net> X-Trace: 3 Jan 1999 10:18:37 -0500, 209.151.190.137 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.clover.net!209.151.190.137 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15498 It is getting just about time to order bees... can someone give me a reliable company to contact for calm, nice bees? From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Jan 15 06:12:54 EST 1999 Article: 15499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Filtering honey after extraction Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jan 1999 14:07:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <77clgb$3i7$1@nnrp01.iafrica.com> Message-ID: <19990111090758.18420.00000354@ng107.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15499 >I am having problem filtering the honey after it has been extracted. I put a >sieve under the tape before it goes into my bucket. But there is still a >large number of impurities. How do I remove these before I bottle it? > > brushy mountain bee farm 1-800-beeswax Nylon filter bag @ $1.75 works great Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu Fri Jan 15 06:12:55 EST 1999 Article: 15500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.ecn.ou.edu!leto.backbone.ou.edu!news.nodak.edu!plains.NoDak.edu!altenbur From: altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu (Karl Altenburg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive hanging from branch? Date: 11 Jan 1999 16:57:01 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 17 Message-ID: <77dagt$r0q$2@node2.nodak.edu> References: <3694D7C8.8041FF80@nospam.boeing.com> <19990108101226.03911.00000068@ng128.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: node2.nodak.edu 916073821 27674 134.129.111.64 (11 Jan 1999 16:57:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@nodak.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jan 1999 16:57:01 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15500 SKEP615 (skep615@aol.com) wrote: : wrote: : >A stupid question from a newbe. Why did these bees build a hanging hive from : >the branch of a tree? I thought most fallow hives were built "inside" : >something, like a hollow tree. : As we all know, bees respond to stimuli rather than taking reasoned actions. Prove it! :) :) (Of course you'll have to define "reasoned actions" first.) -- Karl R Altenburg altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu North Dakota State University Fargo, ND 58105 http://www.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu/~altenbur All things are artificial, for nature is the art of God. SIR THOMAS BROWNE From schwaller@schwaller.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 15 06:12:55 EST 1999 Article: 15501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!schwaller.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Schwaller" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: veroa cure? Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:30:49 -0000 Message-ID: <916074615.10335.0.nnrp-09.9e983336@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 916074615 nnrp-09:10335 NO-IDENT schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 36 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15501 >From Mr Brown RM12 5SX ex schwaller Interestingly- Veroa can be overcome, using a tincture made with Green Almond husks (not shells) and alcahol. So take a large screwtop jar and fill it with shredded almond husks to about halve inch from the top, then fill it with alcahol ( I use vodka) to just cover the husks, then screw the top on. Leave for approximately onr month, by which time the tincture is ready for use, strain the tincture into a clean bottle. Fix a piecw of linen to tjr full length od the dummy then paint the cloth with the tincture until the cloth is saturated then place the dummy board dehind the frames with the cloth facing the brood combs. After a month the dummy board is taken out of the brood box, retreated , and then replaced back in the brood box. The dummy boards can be left in the hives throughout the year as the tincture is non-toxic and cannot affect the bees The alcahol is required to extract the active priciple from the husks, Vodka is odourless and economical but any alcahol will do. When testing for veroa inspect the drone brood to see if there is any veroa I works!! Note: =- The Jar must be full of shredded husks before you add the alcahol too much alcahol will make the tincture useless. Shredded walnut hasks can be used the result eill be the same. sent be Schwaller@schwaller.demon.co.uk Let me know how you get on Jon Iverson wrote in message <366E3E24.82C2F497@sprintmail.com>... From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Jan 15 06:12:56 EST 1999 Article: 15502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How many hives should I have? Date: Mon, 11 Jan 99 09:03:54 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <182C37F7DS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <7769h6$ac9$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15502 In article <7769h6$ac9$1@news.ipa.net> "R & S Adams" writes: >... Both of us work and I was wondering how many is too many? After reading all the responses to this query I have to say that although there is some good advice offered, none of the answers are correct. And even the question is wrong! Ask not how many are too many, ask how many are enough!!! Enough hives are the number of hives that YOUR schedule leaves room to care for properly. You should not be concerned about extracting or selling honey before you are absolutely sure that your schedule allows you to ALWAYS meet the needs of your bees' schedule!!! Concerns in the honey house should never be put before concerns in the apiary. If you find yourself in a situation where you have too many hives you've already failed. It is far better to grow gradually and reach the point where you have enough hives than it is to make a quantum leap to a point where you discover you have too many. If you are going to be a beekeeper, your bees' needs come first, even before your own needs. My advice? Try expanding to five hives this year and see how that goes. If five hives works this year, use those five to expand to ten in 2000. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu Fri Jan 15 06:12:56 EST 1999 Article: 15503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.ecn.ou.edu!leto.backbone.ou.edu!news.nodak.edu!plains.NoDak.edu!altenbur From: altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu (Karl Altenburg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive hanging from branch? Date: 11 Jan 1999 16:54:36 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 31 Message-ID: <77dacc$r0q$1@node2.nodak.edu> References: <182BF772BS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: node2.nodak.edu 916073676 27674 134.129.111.64 (11 Jan 1999 16:54:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@nodak.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jan 1999 16:54:36 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15503 Aaron Morris (SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu) wrote: : In article : lally@chesco.com (Gwenne Lally) writes: : > ... Just a couple of weeks ago I noticed a football-shaped brownish : >something hanging from a tree limb near the soffit. It's bigger than : >a football, and looks sort of like an oversized bunch of melting brown : >bananas. "Honecomb" shaped cells are visible through the "skin" of some of : >the "bananas". Is it a bee hive from the honeybees, something else, or : >what? : > : Sounds like the remains of a hornet's nest to me. To be more specific I would guess its a yellowjacket nest. Like honeybees, hornets (i.e. Vespa crabro) nest inside of other structures such as logs. There are several species of yellowjackets (Vespula and Dolichovespula species) that nest in the open. One significant difference between a yellowjacket wasp comb and a honeybee comb is that yellowjacket wasp combs are horizontal and honeybee combs are vertical. : Hornets are semi-scoial... I tend to think (know) they are social. Actually they are eusocial just like honeybees and ants. Paper wasps (Polistes species) are more primatively social (i.e. no true castes). -- Karl R Altenburg altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu North Dakota State University Fargo, ND 58105 http://www.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu/~altenbur All things are artificial, for nature is the art of God. SIR THOMAS BROWNE From jrlong@vt.edu Fri Jan 15 06:12:57 EST 1999 Article: 15504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!newsfeed.usit.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving a Hive in Mid-winter a moderate distance in one step? Date: 11 Jan 1999 19:48:25 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 10 Message-ID: <77dki9$f92$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-14.sl035.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 916084105 15650 128.173.39.188 (11 Jan 1999 19:48:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jan 1999 19:48:25 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15504 We know the rule for moving the hive in Spring and Summer: It goes something like two feet per day or two miles. Anything in between and the bees get lost. But is this applicable in winter when the bees are bound to the hive for long periods? Right now, my bees have not had a chance to get out and fly for almost a month. If, at this point I moved the entire system intact a distance of about forty feet, what would happen? I would think that bees emerging from the relocated hive would behave similarly to bees who have been moved the requisite two miles. I would like to do this. Can I do it or would I have a disaster? From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Fri Jan 15 06:12:58 EST 1999 Article: 15505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where to obtain on-line hive plans? Date: 11 Jan 1999 20:39:51 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 45 Message-ID: <01be3da2$70125b00$d431480c@micron> References: <77cse2$63j@titan.oit.unc.edu> <77dk2g$f92$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.212 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15505 I have found that I can not make a deep out of a 1 x 12 x 8 (12.00 USD at Home Depot, 1 x 10 is 1/8 too narrow) for less than the 10.50 USD (for a qty of 1) they cost me at the local bee supply house. Of course, I have to buy my lumber at retail. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Jerome R. Long wrote in article <77dk2g$f92$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... > Does the question refer to standard Langstroth hives? I find it difficult to > believe one can build from scratch at less expense than one can purchase the > knocked down hive kits from sources such as Kelley. If time is of any value > this is certainly a poor way to use it. > > > In article <77cse2$63j@titan.oit.unc.edu>, adamf@titan.oit.unc.edu says... > > >Could you direct me to where I might obtain plans for building hives, > >frames etc. I am thinking of taking beeekeeping up as a retirement hobby. > >Paul Price > >Ontario Canada > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > >This is a FAQ. How about a list of URLS and/or resources for on-line hive > >plans? I'll archive it and update it. > > > >Adam > >-- > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive > >adamf@metalab.unc.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees > > From bill-c@ellijay.com Fri Jan 15 06:12:58 EST 1999 Article: 15506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "William Cantrell" Subject: Build Hives Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01be3dab$9d298b00$0fce1ece@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.30.206.15 Date: 11 Jan 1999 16:37:30 -0500 X-Trace: 11 Jan 1999 16:37:30 -0500, 206.30.206.15 Lines: 9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed3.news.digex.net!digex!news3.paonline.com!206.30.206.15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15506 I just finished building from scratch 17 medium supers, 4 hive bodies, 7 telescoping covers, 7 inner covers, and 9 bottom boards. The lumber cost about 125.00 US. I spent 18 hours doing all the work. For a hobby beekeeper that likes to work with wood, this looks like you could save some money. You also have to consider the shipping cost when you buy from the bee supply co. William From peter.springall@zbee.com Fri Jan 15 06:12:59 EST 1999 Article: 15507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: peter.springall@zbee.com (Peter Springall) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Message-ID: <916087009@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:46:28 GMT Lines: 23 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/119 54924254 REPLY: 240:44/0 fac6f28c PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(39) M> From: "Steve Crouch" M> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping M> Subject: Apistan M> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:20:45 -0000 M> Lines: 12 M> Message-ID: <77a2jt$keb$1@newnews.global.net.uk> M> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.220.45 M> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 M> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE M> V4.71.1712.3 XRef: zbee.com M> sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1976 M> Path: M> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news M> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!newspeer1.nac.net M> !news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!n M> ews.itg.net.uk!usenet NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Trace: 11 Jan 1999 21:46:12 GMT, 194.112.43.78 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!zbee.com!anonymous!peter.springall Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15507 M> I am a British bee keeper interested in the M> purchase of Apistan Varroa mite M> treatment. My wife is visiting Vancouver soon, and M> I would like to know if anyone knows where she M> could buy some as I believe it is cheaper than in M> Britain. A price would be a great help also. M> George Hi George, You are no doubt aware that Apistan has recently been licensed for use in the UK. I belong to the Kent Association who plan to buy in bulk and distibute to members at a favourable price. Why not get on to your local Assn. You may find the trouble of finding a stockist in Vancouver hardly worth the small saving in cost. Regards, Peter Springall, Catford LONDON. M> e mail to malice@globalnet.co.uk --- * Origin: peter.springall@zbee.com Bromley Branch (240:244/119) From ZADIGVOLTA@prodigy.net Fri Jan 15 06:13:00 EST 1999 Article: 15508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How many hives should I have? Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:50:42 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 3 Message-ID: <77drur$6cae$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7769h6$ac9$1@news.ipa.net> <182C37F7DS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmbrb310-05.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 11 Jan 1999 21:54:35 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/4c41c3530e90bd96 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15508 Unfortunately nature has its own mind that "thinks" before ours! Joe From beetools@aol.com Fri Jan 15 06:13:01 EST 1999 Article: 15509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Filtering honey after extraction Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jan 1999 16:42:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <77clgb$3i7$1@nnrp01.iafrica.com> Message-ID: <19990111114240.18740.00003725@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15509 Try a panty hose leg in a embrodery ring. Pour your honey into the panty hose (it will grow quite long with the weight of the honey so be prepared to have it suspended high above you bucket). This will give you a very clean and clear honey and panty hose are readily avalable and inexpensive. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From adameden@ipa.net Fri Jan 15 06:13:01 EST 1999 Article: 15510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "R & S Adams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: the honey harvest Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:02:05 -0600 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 7 Message-ID: <77eadf$f7t$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-4-208.jopl.ipa.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15510 I would like to hear the opinions concerning "robbing the honey". Should one keep adding supers and collecting all the honey at once or just putting one super on and waiting until it's full and then replacing it with a empty one? If a hive can produce 100 lbs. of honey- would that not be about three supers? From jrlong@vt.edu Fri Jan 15 06:13:02 EST 1999 Article: 15511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where to obtain on-line hive plans? Date: 11 Jan 1999 19:40:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 23 Message-ID: <77dk2g$f92$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <77cse2$63j@titan.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-14.sl035.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 916083600 15650 128.173.39.188 (11 Jan 1999 19:40:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jan 1999 19:40:00 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15511 Does the question refer to standard Langstroth hives? I find it difficult to believe one can build from scratch at less expense than one can purchase the knocked down hive kits from sources such as Kelley. If time is of any value this is certainly a poor way to use it. In article <77cse2$63j@titan.oit.unc.edu>, adamf@titan.oit.unc.edu says... >Could you direct me to where I might obtain plans for building hives, >frames etc. I am thinking of taking beeekeeping up as a retirement hobby. >Paul Price >Ontario Canada ________________________________________________________________________ > >This is a FAQ. How about a list of URLS and/or resources for on-line hive >plans? I'll archive it and update it. > >Adam >-- >___________________________________________________________________________ >Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive >adamf@metalab.unc.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees From pollinator@aol.com Fri Jan 15 06:13:03 EST 1999 Article: 15512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: the honey harvest Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jan 1999 03:47:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <77eadf$f7t$1@news.ipa.net> Message-ID: <19990111224703.18678.00010771@ng107.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15512 From: "R & S Adams" <> No beekeeper worth his salt would ever rob a hive. Beehavers may rob, not beekeepers. You don't want starving bees. A beekeeper "harvests a surplus." <> You might get away with this in and area where flows are slow and steady. But in many areas, honey flows come fast and furious. By the time you realize the super is full, you have already lost a lot of production. Any time you have a lot of burr comb between supers and under the cover, you have not had sufficient supers and you have lost honey. You should always end the honeyflow with at least one empty super on top (the super was used to dry honey, but they now do not need the space, as the honey was concentrated). << If a hive can produce 100 lbs. of honey- would that not be about three supers?>> About three 6 5/8 size. You'd also need another for them to process. Unless you are in a very poor area, about four supers per hive is minimum. I usually start with three on all good hives, then add more, if I can pop the cover and see bees and white new wax as I look down in. Of course the stronger hives get the extra supers. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Fri Jan 15 06:13:03 EST 1999 Article: 15513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books for beginners? Date: 12 Jan 1999 02:40:46 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <77ecne$hcl@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <368ba636.67840577@news1.newscene.com> <3695403C.B7623773@loshin.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.122.67 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15513 One book you might enjoy that isn't to technical and a good read is: "The Joys of Beekeeping" by Richard Taylor. You might find some childrens books as well as some for yourself in your library. I also like to look in second hand book stores. The basics of beekeeping hasn't changed much over time. However,if you are going to keep bees, you need to know how to deal with mites, which information is only in the newer books. Have fun ...Pete Pete Loshin wrote in message <3695403C.B7623773@loshin.com>... >"war@netaxis.com" wrote: >> >> i am curious what people would suggest is a good book, or books for a >> beginner?... > >I recently read E.O. Wilson's popular ant book, and was fascinated by >his comments about ants, aphids, honeydew, bees, and how honey is made. >My son (2.7 yrs old) was also fascinated, and somewhat repelled. > >So, I've been searching for more information about where, exactly, honey >comes from. Can anyone suggest a book for me (an alleged adult) and/or >for my son? > >Sorry if this is a bit off the beekeeping topic, but this was the >closest forum I could find. > >Thanks in advance! > >-pl From bandcnj@aol.com Fri Jan 15 06:13:04 EST 1999 Article: 15514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!oronet!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bandcnj@aol.com (Bandcnj) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: the hive is still alive! Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jan 1999 03:07:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990111220737.05950.00011774@ng10.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15514 Thanks for all the advice and lol's from all you doctors in the group. We had a snow on friday and after clearing the landing board of dead bees and snow, I gave the side of the bottom hive body a rap. Using my ear ( I never needed a stethoscope when I played doctor ...?), I heard buzzing. It subsided pretty quickly. And I can't say that they sounded happy or sad...I guess sad compared to their busy summer buzz but, none the less, reassuring to this newbie. They still seem to be in the bottom hive body. That's a good sign too, isn't it? I'll keep yas posted when it gets a little warmer and I can take a closer look. Carol From amschelp@pe.net Fri Jan 15 06:13:05 EST 1999 Article: 15515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Filtering honey after extraction Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:18:58 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <77clgb$3i7$1@nnrp01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c2p034.hem.pe.net X-Trace: victoria.pe.net 916111002 1442 216.100.28.134 (12 Jan 1999 03:16:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jan 1999 03:16:42 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15515 At paint stores they have cheap and clean filters for filtering lumps out of paint and these work fine to filter honey. In article <77clgb$3i7$1@nnrp01.iafrica.com>, RockRabbitRobin@Hotmail.com says... > > > I am having problem filtering the honey after it has been extracted. I put a > sieve under the tape before it goes into my bucket. But there is still a > large number of impurities. How do I remove these before I bottle it? > > > > > From rok101d@aol.com Fri Jan 15 06:13:05 EST 1999 Article: 15516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.152.2.200.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rok101d@aol.com (ROK101D) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where to obtain on-line hive plans? Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jan 1999 12:06:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <77dk2g$f92$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <19990112070607.04269.00004866@ng41.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15516 Time is very valuable to me but so is money. I just cut out 18 hive bodies in a couple of hours . I payed 4.50 per hive body for the lumber. Saving at least 4.00 a hive body. From bobpursley@aol.com Fri Jan 15 06:13:06 EST 1999 Article: 15517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Filtering honey after extraction Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jan 1999 14:18:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990112091845.01068.00010038@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15517 >At paint stores they have cheap and clean filters for filtering lumps out >of paint and these work fine to filter honey. I found that discarded "knee high" nylon stockings that my wife no longer uses are good filters. From m-21333@mailbox.swipnet.se Fri Jan 15 06:13:06 EST 1999 Article: 15518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!nntp.ntr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <369BA2D3.385DB91C@mailbox.swipnet.se> From: Laura X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,sv MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where to obtain on-line hive plans? References: <77cse2$63j@titan.oit.unc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:30:27 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.244.61.57 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 916169691 130.244.61.57 (Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:34:51 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:34:51 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15518 Hi all! This site has plans for different types of hives, solar wax melters, and more! http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Best Regards. Laura From logcabin@qaiusqa.com Fri Jan 15 06:13:07 EST 1999 Article: 15519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <77dk2g$f92$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <19990112070607.04269.00004866@ng41.aol.com> Subject: Re: Where to obtain on-line hive plans? Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:55:52 -0500 Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.253.168 Message-ID: <369bf22d.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.1.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.253.168 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15519 I buy rough cut 1"x12"x10' pine boards. 3 deeps can be had from two of them with enough rippings left over for a couple bottom boards and/or commercial tops. The pine in my area goes for $0.35/board foot and it takes about a year for them to dry right. This Feb I will make honey supers from boards purchased last Dec. Eventually I will try to make a jig for the finger joints but the deeps I made this summer I "really" needed so I just made simple boxes with dado'd frame rests. I used 2" decking screws to hold them together and they should last more than a few years with proper painting. I figure that what I make out of $7 worth of wood is about $25 of bee stuff from a catalog and I get the satisfaction of making it myself. Berny Blanco wrote in message ... >What type of lumber did you use? > >What type of corner joint did you use? > >I'm thinking of making a few myself. > > > From dsargent@ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 15 06:13:07 EST 1999 Article: 15520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Richard Sargent Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spencer/Leicester Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:01:43 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <369BFE87.DECCA3D7@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: dsargent@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: wor-ma1-29.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jan 12 5:52:38 PM PST 1999 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15520 Greetings my fellow beekeepers! (I am just a vicarious beekeeper) I wonder if there are any beekeeping hive facilities where honey can be obtained in the Spencer/Leicester area of Massachusetts. If that sounds foreign, maybe in the Worcester area. Thank you very much Peter L. Sargent From mwhite@globalserve.net Fri Jan 15 06:13:08 EST 1999 Article: 15521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!nntpgate.globalserve.net!news.globalserve.net!not-for-mail From: M&L White Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honeywood Bee Supply Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:59:33 -0800 Organization: Globalserve Communications Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <369C2835.C892E92D@globalserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin388.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: whisper.globalserve.net 916193122 5384 209.90.139.197 (13 Jan 1999 02:05:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalserve.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jan 1999 02:05:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15521 I need to contact a company called Honeywood Bee Supply (I think it's in Nipawin, Saskatchewan). I'm looking for Western Wraps and I think they sell them. If anyone knows their phone number or email address, I'd appreciate it. -- Mike From BlancoB@email.msn.com Fri Jan 15 06:13:08 EST 1999 Article: 15522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Berny Blanco" References: <77dk2g$f92$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <19990112070607.04269.00004866@ng41.aol.com> Subject: Re: Where to obtain on-line hive plans? Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:47:03 -0500 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust208.tnt1.fort-lauderdale.fl.da.uu.net [153.37.121.208] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews02 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15522 What type of lumber did you use? What type of corner joint did you use? I'm thinking of making a few myself. From m-21333@mailbox.swipnet.se Fri Jan 15 06:13:09 EST 1999 Article: 15523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <369BA187.25E8BE67@mailbox.swipnet.se> From: Laura X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,sv MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plans for equipment on the net? References: <77clhl$3qs$1@nnrp01.iafrica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:24:55 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.244.61.57 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 916169360 130.244.61.57 (Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:29:20 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:29:20 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15523 HI ! Checkout this site for plans in pdf-format ! http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html best regards Laura From Geoff.Kipps-Bolton@worldnot.att.net Fri Jan 15 06:13:09 EST 1999 Article: 15524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: Geoff.Kipps-Bolton@worldnot.att.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in Fresno - California Date: 12 Jan 1999 22:48:19 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <369bd15e.28362293@netnews.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.6.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15524 I have just moved to the Fresno area, from England, and would like to start beekeeping again. Is there anyone with any equipment for sale in the area? I would also like to make contact with other beekeepers, is there a bee club in the area? Thanks Geoff Kipps-Bolton From casfam1@aol.com Fri Jan 15 06:13:10 EST 1999 Article: 15525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.sunydutchess.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.ultranet.com!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: casfam1@aol.com (Casfam1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Build Hives Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jan 1999 19:55:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01be3dab$9d298b00$0fce1ece@default> Message-ID: <19990112145517.01056.00009838@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15525 >I just finished building from scratch 17 medium supers, 4 hive bodies, 7 >telescoping covers, 7 inner covers, and 9 bottom boards >I spent 18 hours doing all the work. For a hobby beekeeper >that likes to work with wood, this looks like you could save some money. I also enjoy working with wood and am thinking about starting some bee hives. I live on a farm in Oregon,We must rent bees to polinate some specialty crops. My plan was to start a few hives in the spring. I inherited some old hive boxes and equipment from a neighbor but no bees. My first project was to biuld frames .not knowing how many or what sizes I guessed on two deep bodies and one medium per hive, I hope this gets me through the first year. Now I have a large pile of little sticks and less of a passion for wood working.(start with a 2x6 , now add up the number of cuts needed to make it into one frame,next multiply that number by 500, then biuld a fire and burn 200 because they had knots or other flaws this leaves you with enough parts for ten hives.)I don't think I'll biuld more frames. Any good advice about how best to assemble these? Jigs? Nails staples or air nailer?Also I think i will cut cost and biuld bodies out of 3/4 plywood.(I have some duck nest boxes still going strong after 10 years without paint.)Bad idea? Next hurdle to get over is bees. should I look localy for nuc.s or buy package bees?Cost is a factor but I also want viable colonies this fall. I hope you can help me not make the same mistakes of those who went before me. thank's! From BigToes86@aol.com Fri Jan 15 06:13:10 EST 1999 Article: 15526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.tufts.edu!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: BigToes86@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HONEY WHOLESALERS/DISTRIBUTORS Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 17:09:58 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 14 Message-ID: <76o895$10l$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.203 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jan 03 17:09:58 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; AOL 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x9.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.203 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15526 Hi, I'm looking to buy a large quantaties of honey as soon as possible....tried looking on the web........... If any1 has any links or you sell the honey yourself, please e-mail me...........I'd like to buy cheap, but at this point can't argue with prices, I am requesting a list of what kind of honey you (if you sell the honey yourself) sell AND HOW MUCH ($) I would greatly like to find someone that sells large quantitys (5 gal. containers if not more) of honey BEFORE March 1st again if you have any info. please e-mail me AS SOON AS POSSIBLE Sincerely, Andrew e-mail: BigToes86@aol.com -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From dbco@sk.sympatico.ca Fri Jan 15 06:13:11 EST 1999 Article: 15527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!news@dragon From: dbco@sk.sympatico.ca Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: best of bee Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:12:54 -0600 Organization: SaskTel - Sympatico Lines: 2 Message-ID: <369BD6F6.C8FC9E49@sk.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: yktnsk01d01040182.sk.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15527 Can anyone tell me how to subscribe the Best of Bee-l list? From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Jan 15 06:13:12 EST 1999 Article: 15528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Filtering honey after extraction Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jan 1999 00:38:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990112091845.01068.00010038@ng-cd1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990112193850.25229.00011809@ng32.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15528 >>of paint and these work fine to filter honey. > > I found that discarded "knee high" nylon stockings that my wife no longer >uses are good filters. > hmmm i thought we only used them like that if we wanted interesting flavors......... i usually buy new ones !!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Fri Jan 15 06:13:12 EST 1999 Article: 15529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Fresno - California Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:29:58 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <369cf2c4.908397@news.jps.net> References: <369bd15e.28362293@netnews.worldnet.att.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.48.182 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.48.182 X-Trace: 13 Jan 1999 19:50:56 -0800, 209.142.48.182 Lines: 25 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.224.240 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-west.eli.net!news1.jps.net!209.142.48.182 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15529 On 12 Jan 1999 22:48:19 GMT, Geoff.Kipps-Bolton@worldnot.att.net wrote: >start beekeeping again. Is there anyone with any equipment for sale in >the area? >I would also like to make contact with other beekeepers, is there a >bee club in the area? Try Dadant & Son's in Fresno at http://dadant.com/fres.htm , Pat Eakle can fill you in on the local clubs and will be happy to sell you all the bee supplies you need. Tell him the OLd Drone sent you and receive a extra special discount. If you need to call its (209) 495-0230 Chow, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From adameden@ipa.net Fri Jan 15 06:13:13 EST 1999 Article: 15530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "R & S Adams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding through the winter Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:50:32 -0600 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 9 Message-ID: <76p30t$r60$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-4-99.jopl.ipa.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15530 Novice beekeeper here - What is the most economical way to feed hives through the winter, as most of my hives were late season purchases and need feeding. I am using 1 gal jars of sugar water (4 lb sugar/gallon water) up-side down in top brood box. Will this stuff ferment in cold weather? Could adding small (tiny) amounts of ascorbic acid stop fermentation? It's been 12 F for the past few days and the hives are iced over, will feed again of the next "nice" day. From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jan 15 06:13:13 EST 1999 Article: 15531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No Apistan for 3 seasons and still going strong! Date: 13 Jan 1999 20:24:56 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 33 Message-ID: <77iveo$693$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <182C06835S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15531 Aaron, Well, as long time newgroup readers may note, I've been using peppermint oil for the past two summers. I am located in Southeastern PA. All the details are located in Amrine's webpage, so I won't get into this. The summer before last, the treatmetn (via entrance feeders) seemed to wipe out the mites completely. Didn't see any mites this last summer until August, and resumed treatment then. Have so far lost one isolated untreated hive this winter, possibly due to mites. I.e., I found two mites on two workers, outside of the cvolony, but haven't had a chance to open it up yet for a thorough inspection. I am well aware of the "resurgence" problem and will be treating again, proactively this year. I'll also be trying mineral oil. I'm confident enough about this to have ordered another 20 nukes from a local beekeeper and to be planning on splinting at least 10 more of my colonies. Dave Trickett : : Don, : : To what do you attribute this? Are you doing anything else instead? : Just Lucky? Where are you located? Varroa levels dropped dramatically : after the devastating losses in '95/'96 and have not been a problem in : some areas, but their (varroa) populations are recovering. If you : aren't doing any treatments at all, beware that year 4 doesn't catch you : off guard. If you are doing something special, please tell us! : : Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! -- From tomasmozer@juno.com Fri Jan 15 06:13:14 EST 1999 Article: 15532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive hanging from branch? Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 04:55:50 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 5 Message-ID: <369C97D6.57A4@juno.com> References: <182BF772BS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <77dacc$r0q$1@node2.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.40 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 916268133 OCZ7E7JIA4828D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15532 here in the southeast, honey bees as well as hornets and yellowjackets can, and often do, all nest in the open...however, the description given seems to suggest one of the latter two as the most likely candidates. From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:00 EST 1999 Article: 15533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: best of bee Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:37:17 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <369df581.1610327@news.jps.net> References: <369BD6F6.C8FC9E49@sk.sympatico.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.48.182 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.48.182 X-Trace: 13 Jan 1999 19:58:15 -0800, 209.142.48.182 Lines: 14 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.224.240 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.210.46.218!news-west.eli.net!news1.jps.net!209.142.48.182 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15533 On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:12:54 -0600, dbco@sk.sympatico.ca wrote: >Can anyone tell me how to subscribe the Best of Bee-l list? http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/bob.htm Chow, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com/bnews.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From jrlong@vt.edu Tue Jan 19 11:30:00 EST 1999 Article: 15534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!oronet!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!hub.org!hub.org!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!newsfeed.usit.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Build Hives Date: 13 Jan 1999 16:00:05 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 17 Message-ID: <77ifu5$oc2$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <01be3dab$9d298b00$0fce1ece@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5300-5.sl005.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 916243205 24962 128.173.35.28 (13 Jan 1999 16:00:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jan 1999 16:00:05 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15534 In article <01be3dab$9d298b00$0fce1ece@default>, bill-c@ellijay.com says... > >I just finished building from scratch 17 medium supers, 4 hive bodies, 7 >telescoping covers, 7 inner covers, and 9 bottom boards. The lumber cost >about 125.00 US. I spent 18 hours doing all the work. For a hobby beekeeper >that likes to work with wood, this looks like you could save some money. >You also have to consider the shipping cost when you buy from the bee >supply co. > >William Building boxes, bottom boards and covers is one thing and is quite cost effective IF you have spare time. But frames are a completely different matter. Your time has to be worth nothing at all to fool with cutting frame parts. It is so tedious and there are so many of them. It even gets very old just assembling the pre-cut frame parts available through sources such as Kelley. From drgonfly@ultranet.com Tue Jan 19 11:30:01 EST 1999 Article: 15535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: African bees Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:04:08 -0800 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <779cav$5fi$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d165.dial-1.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 10 Jan 1999 05:03:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15535 Is it true that these bees like to dance? regards, Marc Andelman From anglin@mi.verio.com Tue Jan 19 11:30:01 EST 1999 Article: 15536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <182C06835S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <77iveo$693$1@netnews.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: No Apistan for 3 seasons and still going strong! X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.114 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 916333743 209.69.69.114 (Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:09:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:09:03 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:10:50 -0800 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15536 Please post the address for "Amrine's webpage" - I would like more info on using mint oils. David J Trickett wrote in message <77iveo$693$1@netnews.upenn.edu>... >Aaron, > >Well, as long time newgroup readers may note, I've been using peppermint >oil for the past two summers. I am located in Southeastern PA. All the >details are located in Amrine's webpage, so I won't get into this. From rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Tue Jan 19 11:30:02 EST 1999 Article: 15537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!uunet!in4.uu.net!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: Randy Nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: State Ag Dept questionnaire Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:28:29 -0600 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 9 Message-ID: <369E455D.A2564652@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15537 I just received a questionnaire from my state Ag. Dept., wanting to know if I had any hives last year, etc. It is a voluntary form, meaning I don't have to reply if I don't want to. What are the pros and cons of returning this form? Whether I had any hives or not, I'd rather not return it. I believe in keeping the government out of private enterprise. -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. From kenv@replyremove.global.co.za Tue Jan 19 11:30:03 EST 1999 Article: 15538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsserver.jvnc.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!iafrica.com!news.global.co.za.!not-for-mail From: "Ken Venn" Newsgroups: news.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Foundation Comb Material Options Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:53:03 +0200 Organization: USKO Enterprise Networks Lines: 19 Message-ID: <77lle1$ddi$1@news.global.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: syn16.pri2.cpta.gia.net.za X-Trace: news.global.co.za 916347137 13746 196.3.172.219 (14 Jan 1999 20:52:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@global.co.za NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jan 1999 20:52:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu news.agriculture.beekeeping:2 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15538 I am about to start beekeeping and would like some more information on the foundation comb. I have some langstroth plans but the foundation comb is VERY expensive! Can it be made from different materials other than beeswax? If I placed a thin piece of wood/ plastic/ cloth/ metal? in the frame in a super would the bees build honey comb on it? All comments appreciated Thanks Ken From amschelp@pe.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:03 EST 1999 Article: 15539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehouses Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:27:28 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <77kla8$kf9$1@readme.online.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: c1p048.hem.pe.net X-Trace: arlington.pe.net 916356314 12995 216.100.28.248 (14 Jan 1999 23:25:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jan 1999 23:25:14 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15539 You should look into keeping them in top bar hives, Mr. Langeland: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm With this type of hive, the bees attach their combs to the moveable top bars and then when you want to inspect their comb, you just cut away any part of the comb they have stuck to the side of the box and then you lift up the individual top bar with the comb attached to it. This is a fun way to keep bees, and it yields top quality honey and wax. In article <77kla8$kf9$1@readme.online.no>, nlangela@online.no says... > I'm a beekeper in Norway, and have been trying to find drawings for > beehouses. I once saw a beautyful one from Finland - hexagon shaped, but > couldn't get hold of drawings. I'm interested in anything that can be had. > I've gotten to the point where I only have about 8 - 10 hives, mostly for > the fun of it. Lifting supers is getting heavy, and I want to have some sort > of lifting-system in the house. > Anyone out there that can help me? > > Regards, Nils Langeland > > > From amschelp@pe.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:04 EST 1999 Article: 15540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.BSDI.COM!uunet!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: news.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation Comb Material Options Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:28:40 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <77lle1$ddi$1@news.global.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: c1p048.hem.pe.net X-Trace: arlington.pe.net 916356387 12995 216.100.28.248 (14 Jan 1999 23:26:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jan 1999 23:26:27 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu news.agriculture.beekeeping:3 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15540 Have you thought of trying top bar hives? http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm kenv@replyremove.global.co.za says... > I am about to start beekeeping and would like some more information on the > foundation comb. > I have some langstroth plans but the foundation comb is VERY expensive! > Can it be made from different materials other than beeswax? If I placed a > thin piece of wood/ plastic/ cloth/ metal? in the frame in a super would > the bees build honey comb on it? > > All comments appreciated > > Thanks > Ken > > > > > > > > > From jimbo007@webtv.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:05 EST 1999 Article: 15541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: jimbo007@webtv.net (Jim Roland) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Amrine Article in Am.Bee Journal Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:05:58 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3348-369E7856-84@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> References: <182C06835S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQ/ImyGGIVOEBj+bhOyvmOwcALKnwIUXHQQk0Hb1Fn6zPRKKdGEIt3Yy9U= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15541 He is probably referring to James Amrine who co authored an article in the Sept 1996 American Bee Journal magazine. At that time he was a professor at West Virginia Univ. The article gives a rundown on a year long test performed with different mint oils mixed with sugar water and mixed with grease patties. The results were extremely good ! Provided of course the oils were given at the right time of year and fed close to the brood. The Email addy given in the article is jamrine@wvnvm.wvnet.edu hope this helps jim From kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Tue Jan 19 11:30:05 EST 1999 Article: 15542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: news.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation Comb Material Options Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:34:52 GMT Organization: Or Chaos: You Choose Message-ID: <36ad7f15.38571623@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <77lle1$ddi$1@news.global.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-1-1-105.dial.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 15 Jan 1999 00:33:12 GMT, pm4-1-1-105.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 31 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!195.112.4.37.MISMATCH!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm4-1-1-105.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu news.agriculture.beekeeping:4 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15542 On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:53:03 +0200, "Ken Venn" wrote: >I am about to start beekeeping and would like some more information on the >foundation comb. >I have some langstroth plans but the foundation comb is VERY expensive! >Can it be made from different materials other than beeswax? If I placed a >thin piece of wood/ plastic/ cloth/ metal? in the frame in a super would >the bees build honey comb on it? > >All comments appreciated > You can use just a small piece of comb, either a thin strip along the top of the frame, attached just under the top bar, or a triangular piece, in the centre of the top bar, to give the bees a start. You could probably get 6 strips out of one piece of foundation, or about 10 triangles. They may build on anything, but it may not be exactly where you want it. IMO wax foundation, even a small strip, is best, but in the US there will very likely be some different methods to those we use in UK. Maybe a strip of card or cloth coated or soaked in wax might work? It's certainly an experiment worth trying in a couple of months, here in Lincolnshire, when the sun returns. Plastic foundation is available, but I have never some across it, so can't say whether it's better or cheaper. Foundation (beeswax) seems to be quite cheap here in UK. (Of course, nothing I say is 'definitive'; there are others here whose knowledge of the subject far outshines mine!) -- kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk new quiz @ .../quizform.htm From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Jan 19 11:30:06 EST 1999 Article: 15543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Ag Dept questionnaire Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jan 1999 00:06:20 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <369E455D.A2564652@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> Message-ID: <19990114190620.14232.00000583@ng128.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15543 >What are the pros and cons of >returning this form? I don't much care for the govt either. However I registerred my hives here in CT and got a letter when they found a serious outbreak of foulbrood in my neighbors hives. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From caley@corbie.com Tue Jan 19 11:30:07 EST 1999 Article: 15544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Fort Augustus (Scot)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990111220737.05950.00011774@ng10.aol.com> Subject: Re: the hive is still alive! Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:34:23 -0000 Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp46-38.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <369dca8b.0@glitch.nildram.co.uk> X-Trace: 14 Jan 1999 10:44:27 GMT, ppp46-38.dial.nildram.co.uk Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!glitch.nildram.co.uk!ppp46-38.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15544 I hope it was a gentle Rap. Poor bees mostlikely want to be left alone to conserve energy. Chris Bandcnj wrote in message <19990111220737.05950.00011774@ng10.aol.com>... >Thanks for all the advice and lol's from all you doctors in the group. > >We had a snow on friday and after clearing the landing board of dead bees and >snow, I gave the side of the bottom hive body a rap. Using my ear ( I never >needed a stethoscope when I played doctor ...?), I heard buzzing. It subsided >pretty quickly. And I can't say that they sounded happy or sad...I guess sad >compared to their busy summer buzz but, none the less, reassuring to this >newbie. They still seem to be in the bottom hive body. That's a good sign too, >isn't it? > >I'll keep yas posted when it gets a little warmer and I can take a closer look. > >Carol From jrlong@vt.edu Tue Jan 19 11:30:08 EST 1999 Article: 15545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation Comb Material Options Date: 15 Jan 1999 18:17:18 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 6 Message-ID: <77o0ne$jvs$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5300-2.sl033.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 916424238 20476 128.173.33.50 (15 Jan 1999 18:17:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jan 1999 18:17:18 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15545 Kidney John says that plastic foundation is available in the UK. If the bees will accept it this sounds like a terrific way to handle brood comb and extraction comb frames (pathetic disaster for comb hone). What especially appeals is that the bees would have a tough time cutting out the corners and building drone cells. Does anyone know if this works? From amschelp@pe.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:08 EST 1999 Article: 15546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Ag Dept questionnaire Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:28:24 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <369E455D.A2564652@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> <369f6c8c.2194159@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: c2p010.hem.pe.net X-Trace: market.pe.net 916439163 26044 216.100.28.110 (15 Jan 1999 22:26:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jan 1999 22:26:03 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15546 In article <369f6c8c.2194159@news.jps.net>, andy.nachbaur@calwest.net says... > On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:28:29 -0600, Randy Nessler > wrote: > > > I just received a questionnaire from my state Ag. Dept., wanting to > >know if I had any hives last year, etc. It is a voluntary form, meaning > >I don't have to reply if I don't want to. What are the pros and cons of > >returning this form? Whether I had any hives or not, I'd rather not > >return it. I believe in keeping the government out of private > >enterprise. > > If enough people return the questionnaire next time you will find a > $20. tax added to it to cover the cost of handling it. > > You will receive no increased services only increased costs for work > you must do for yourself. > > After 40+ years keeping bees in several states I concur with "keep the > government out of your bees" > > Chow, the OLd Drone > http://beenet.com > > > (c)Permission is given to copy this document > in any form, or to print for any use. > > (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! > From amschelp@pe.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:09 EST 1999 Article: 15547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Asleep at the switch Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:33:36 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: c2p010.hem.pe.net X-Trace: market.pe.net 916439475 26044 216.100.28.110 (15 Jan 1999 22:31:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jan 1999 22:31:15 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15547 Oops! Just now I inadvertently posted a message which had nothing in it except for a re-print of what I was going to reply to. Sorry! In the message I was just going to contribute to the continuing education of the Old Drone by telling him that from living in the Republic of Vietnam I learned that it is "CHAO" not "CHOW", as I am sure he already knows :0) Pete A. From amdef@triax.com Tue Jan 19 11:30:10 EST 1999 Article: 15548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news7.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scott Simmons" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tips for developing 0nline Sales Lines: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.63.157.131 X-Trace: news7.ispnews.com 916444756 206.63.157.131 (Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:59:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:59:16 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 03:58:12 -0000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15548 From amdef@triax.com Tue Jan 19 11:30:10 EST 1999 Article: 15549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news7.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scott Simmons" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tips for developing online sales Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <0EQn2.276$vg5.1207@news7.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.63.157.131 X-Trace: news7.ispnews.com 916444796 206.63.157.131 (Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:59:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:59:56 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 03:58:51 -0000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15549 To get free reports on-line check the links at http://business.fortunecity/lucar/249 These have some of the best info out there! From bill.greenrose@valley.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:11 EST 1999 Article: 15550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Asleep at the switch Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:37:37 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 33 Message-ID: <36A01791.A885981B@valley.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-127.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15550 Peter Amschel wrote: > Oops! Just now I inadvertently posted a message which had nothing in it > except for a re-print of what I was going to reply to. Sorry! > > In the message I was just going to contribute to the continuing education > of the Old Drone by telling him that from living in the Republic of > Vietnam I learned that it is "CHAO" not "CHOW", as I am sure he already > knows :0) Pete A. greetings, um, that may be how it's spelled in vietnam, but the most common spelling i've seen is the italian: 'ciao,' which, i think, is the phrase most people mean, when they say 'chow.' in europe it is a very common expression to use when saying good-bye. it was a real eye [ear?] opener, when i first heard it used in germany. now, where's my expresso? ciao, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From msmerilee@aol.com Tue Jan 19 11:30:11 EST 1999 Article: 15551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: msmerilee@aol.com (Msmerilee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in the pond Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jan 1999 04:56:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990115235648.27032.00000496@ng55.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15551 We have been getting about 50 or 75 bees in our pond everyday. Don't want to use any chemicals, but also don't want the bees around the kids. Are there any plants or natural deterents for the bees.Thanks for your help. From anglin@mi.verio.com Tue Jan 19 11:30:12 EST 1999 Article: 15552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!news.shore.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news3.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <77o0ne$jvs$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Re: Foundation Comb Material Options Lines: 36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.126 X-Trace: news3.ispnews.com 916473272 209.69.69.126 (Sat, 16 Jan 1999 02:54:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 02:54:32 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 02:56:42 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15552 I have had terriffic results using the Rite-cell plastic foundation sold by Mann Lake. The bees drew out the straightest, most perfect comb ever! I am also using Pierco plastic frame/ foundation combination in some of my extracting supers. The bees have also drawn it out perfectly, and so far it is working great! (Even under less than Ideal comb building conditions, the plastic came out perfect, while wax foundation was chewed, drawn out as mixed drone, or warped in the frame.) Charles Koover wrote a series of articles for Bee culture magazine back in the 70's. He had endless good things to say about the combination of plastic foundation with a wooden frame. (And nothing but bad about the plastic frame.) He expecially liked being able to harvest honey without an extractor, if he wanted to, by taking a metal spatula and scraping the wax and honey away >from the plastic, to drain and separate in a bag. He returned the frame to the bees, and they drew it right back out again, perfect as ever. I also saw somthing in one of the recent Bee mag's about plastic foundation helping bees to resist the small hive beetle since the beets can not buttow through the midrib of the comb. I guess the same would apply to moths. Good Luck! Ellen Anglin Jerome R. Long wrote in message <77o0ne$jvs$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... >Kidney John says that plastic foundation is available in the UK. If the bees >will accept it this sounds like a terrific way to handle brood comb and >extraction comb frames (pathetic disaster for comb hone). What especially >appeals is that the bees would have a tough time cutting out the corners and >building drone cells. 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Best Regards Doron Brinker From anglin@mi.verio.com Tue Jan 19 11:30:13 EST 1999 Article: 15554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news3.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990115235648.27032.00000496@ng55.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bees in the pond Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.126 X-Trace: news3.ispnews.com 916473930 209.69.69.126 (Sat, 16 Jan 1999 03:05:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 03:05:30 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 03:07:36 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15554 Anything that will repel the bees, will also repel people! Bees will use any nearby source of water for their needs- flavors or smells added will just make it more recognizable. You should watch the bees to see what direction they are coming from- they should make a Bee-line to and from the hive. If it is a wild hive, you can see about having it removed by a local beekeeper, or in a desperate situation, killed, and the cavity filled in to prevent it from being occupied by a new swarm. If the bees belong to a beekeeper, he can move them temporarily, or at least provide them with a water source other than your pond. (Good neighbor policy) It s very hard to get bees to change their habits once they are using a particular water source tho, so it may take time to solve the problem. The good news is the bees who are looking for water will not be interested in stinging your kids. You can touch a bee who is tanking up at the edge of the water, and all she will generally do is move out of the way, or fly off. Al she wants is water- and that is not worth dying for. (Honeybees die when they sting) So long as the kids don't step on the bees, they are not likely to be stung . Msmerilee wrote in message <19990115235648.27032.00000496@ng55.aol.com>... >We have been getting about 50 or 75 bees in our pond everyday. Don't want to >use any chemicals, but also don't want the bees around the kids. Are there any >plants or natural deterents for the bees.Thanks for your help. From honeybs@radix.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:14 EST 1999 Article: 15555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!news1!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Ag Dept questionnaire Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:56:56 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <77q2ue$fn2$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <369E455D.A2564652@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: port10.annex4.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15555 Randy Nessler wrote: > I just received a questionnaire from my state Ag. Dept., wanting to >know if I had any hives last year, etc. It is a voluntary form, meaning >I don't have to reply if I don't want to. What are the pros and cons of >returning this form? Whether I had any hives or not, I'd rather not >return it. I believe in keeping the government out of private >enterprise. >-- >Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu >Views expressed are my own. Maybe your state is following Maryland and trying to exterminate the farmer. Maryland now begs (yes begs) the beekeepers to send them money so that they can inspect their hives. In the next few years I expect that it will be manditory. All of this with a 250 million dollar surplus in the Maryland budget! Throw the form in the trash. Greg the - I'm embarrased by my state beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:14 EST 1999 Article: 15556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Beetle in NC Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:04:21 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <77q3cb$fn2$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990115212119.14482.00001345@ng-fx1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port10.annex4.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15556 hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >Last report as of today >Confirmed in 3 counties @ 100 hives effected. >I remember when varroa was scary. >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC I just placed my package order for this spring with a Geogia beekeeper. I asked them to put a handfull of hive beetles in each box. If we beekeepers don't spread them around who will? I bet the bee researchers are grinning like a jackass eating briars with this new pest. They are probably out buying new cars and other toys with this new found job security. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From murray@denrosa.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 19 11:30:15 EST 1999 Article: 15557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation Comb Material Options Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:04:04 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <77o0ne$jvs$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 916498516 nnrp-04:26066 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15557 In article <77o0ne$jvs$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, "Jerome R. Long" writes >Kidney John says that plastic foundation is available in the UK. If the bees >will accept it this sounds like a terrific way to handle brood comb and >extraction comb frames (pathetic disaster for comb hone). What especially >appeals is that the bees would have a tough time cutting out the corners and >building drone cells. Does anyone know if this works? > Yes it is available in the UK..... But it is all American! We would never buy it at UK prices, preferring to import it direct from the USA. We use some of it here now and think it is great (not without problems however!), but there are a number of options, and they are widely publicised and available. They have been discussed at considerable length here and on Bee-L in the not too distant past. A search should through up a plethora of interesting postings. Look up the web sites of Dadant or Mann Lake for a variety of plastic foundations. Or try Pierco for complete one piece frames with foundation, pus foundation on its own. As regards the corners, well the Dadants Plasticell we have here has a perforated corner you can snap or cut off, large enough for communication holes, but not so big as to give you a drone brood problem. Murray -- Murray McGregor From honeybs@radix.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:15 EST 1999 Article: 15558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Asleep at the switch Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:06:05 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <77q3fi$fn2$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: port10.annex4.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15558 amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) wrote: >Oops! Just now I inadvertently posted a message which had nothing in it >except for a re-print of what I was going to reply to. Sorry! >In the message I was just going to contribute to the continuing education >of the Old Drone by telling him that from living in the Republic of >Vietnam I learned that it is "CHAO" not "CHOW", as I am sure he already >knows :0) Pete A. Yeah - over there drone brood is "chow". Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From nlangela@online.no Tue Jan 19 11:30:16 EST 1999 Article: 15559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feed.ifi.uio.no!newsfeed.online.no!news.online.no!not-for-mail From: "Nils Langeland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beehouses1 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:25:51 +0100 Organization: Telenor Online Public Access Lines: 9 Message-ID: <77mu2i$6eh$1@readme.online.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: ti10a04-0061.dialup.online.no X-Trace: readme.online.no 916388754 6609 130.67.81.61 (15 Jan 1999 08:25:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@online.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jan 1999 08:25:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15559 Thanks for responses- What I'm after is a proper house in which to keep some 10 hives. Of course I can deswign one myself, but there is something with experience that one can not substitute. I know that in eastern Europe this is a common way of housing bees. Regards, Nils From mae@indy.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:16 EST 1999 Article: 15560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.xnet.com!news2.megsinet.net!web.onecall.net!news!not-for-mail From: Mary Ann Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Filtering honey after extraction Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:00:34 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 10 Message-ID: <36A12822.1D5D@indy.net> References: <77clgb$3i7$1@nnrp01.iafrica.com> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip209-183-87-108.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.indy.net 916548718 15850 209.183.87.108 (17 Jan 1999 04:51:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jan 1999 04:51:58 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15560 Robin wrote: > > I am having problem filtering the honey after it has been extracted. I put a > sieve under the tape before it goes into my bucket. But there is still a > large number of impurities. How do I remove these before I bottle it? We used jelly stainers that are a fine nylon mess used in canning fruits and vegetables. Mary and Tobi From ZADIGVOLTA@prodigy.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:17 EST 1999 Article: 15561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Filtering honey after extraction Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:51:31 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 4 Message-ID: <77t4n8$rco$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <77clgb$3i7$1@nnrp01.iafrica.com> <36A12822.1D5D@indy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmbrb309-32.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 17 Jan 1999 16:56:08 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/4cc2ddc49584ff6d X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15561 A couple of layers of nylon stockings or panty hose can be used to filter warm honey to prize winning clarity. From amschelp@pe.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:18 EST 1999 Article: 15562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hi Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:31:29 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <36A2109F.84020C21@beldale.freeserve.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: c3p006.hem.pe.net X-Trace: arlington.pe.net 916604947 24161 216.100.28.6 (17 Jan 1999 20:29:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jan 1999 20:29:07 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15562 Hi, Mike; check out top bar bee hives: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm they are funsville. In article <36A2109F.84020C21@beldale.freeserve.co.uk>, mike@beldale.freeserve.co.uk says... > Hi > I was just wondering if anyone had any info on bees i could have. > > Thanks > > From mcgarryt@westelcom.com Tue Jan 19 11:30:18 EST 1999 Article: 15563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!c01news01.service.talkway.com!c01read02.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "mcgarryt" Subject: Re: Honey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36A25202.6B38@pottsville.infi.net> Lines: 19 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:59:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.185.64.202 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:59:11 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15563 Crystallization of honey is natural process which can occur in most supersaturated solutions. Most honey is about 84 to 85 % sugar. At this concentration if microscopic or even larger "seed" crystals are present, the sugars in honey begin to precipitate out around these small particles. The particles may be tiny pollen grains, wax, even parts of bees! This is perfctly natural and does not mean the honey is spoiled. In fact, many beekeepers deliberately seed some honey to make such crystalized honey spreads. If you do not enjoy the crystalized honey simply place the container in warm water until it liquifies. -- Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email -- always at Talkway. http://www.talkway.com From wetland@pottsville.infi.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:19 EST 1999 Article: 15564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: Tom & Jen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:11:30 -0500 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 3 Message-ID: <36A25202.6B38@pottsville.infi.net> Reply-To: wetland@pottsville.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-157.pot.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15564 Why does Honey Crystallize? tml From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Tue Jan 19 11:30:19 EST 1999 Article: 15565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees in town?? Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:55:35 +0000 Organization: Cybernetics Design Lines: 10 Message-ID: <36A1C1A6.60C2@mindspring.com> References: <7611ho$ids$1@remarQ.com> <764k6d$mlf$1@its.hooked.net> <3686E7F0.50E308E4@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 26.0a.10.9c Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 17 Jan 1999 15:30:32 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15565 To keep bees in town, don't paint the box white as everyone "knows" beehives are only white. -- David Smith "Unique solutions to unusual problems" Technical and "hard" craft information - http://www.mindspring.com/~davidsmith2/ Legal Notice: Each UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (all SPAM) gets a $15 read and file charge. 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We consult with clients from the United States and Canada. · Agricultural 1st & 2nd Mortgages · Commercial & Agricultural Loans · Computerized Bookkeeping Services · Retirement & Estate Planning · Life Insurance · Debt Counseling · Loan Proposals · Business Plans If you should require any of the above services or have any questions about the above please contact us at kevinmc@telusplanet.net or call; Canada Toll Free: (888) 447-FARM (3276) Bus: (403) 485-1904 Fax: (403) 485-2900 From rclynn@aol.com Tue Jan 19 11:30:21 EST 1999 Article: 15567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!nntp.ntr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rclynn@aol.com (RCLynn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Beetle in NC Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jan 1999 01:18:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990115212119.14482.00001345@ng-fx1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990117201827.26738.00003943@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15567 >Last report as of today > >Confirmed in 3 counties @ 100 hives effected. > > Kevin: Which counties in NC? And what happened to the affected hives, burned or what? Randy Lynn Guilford County, NC From murray@albany.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:21 EST 1999 Article: 15568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.fast.net!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: Jim Murray Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginner to Beekeeping Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:22:18 -0400 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 16 Message-ID: <36A27EB6.58716DE@albany.net> Reply-To: murray@albany.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm5p28.albany.albany.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15568 Hi, I've decided to get into Beekeeping as a family activity and would like to begin small. I have a great book on beekeeping and have done some extensive reading on the Internet as well. It looks like a lot of fun and could be a big benefit to our veggie garden as well. Can someone tell me a good place to buy a starter kit? I've found several web sites that sell such kits, but being a beginner, I don't know what's a good deal or not. How much should I spend, what SHOULD the kit include for a beginner, where do I get the bees from????? Any, and all help will be gladly accepted. Thank you! Jim Murray From BobCan@Clover.Net Tue Jan 19 11:30:22 EST 1999 Article: 15569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Bob Cannaday" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Midnite/Buckfast Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:07:20 -0500 Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.151.190.136 Message-ID: <36a2a41d.0@news.clover.net> X-Trace: 17 Jan 1999 22:01:49 -0500, 209.151.190.136 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.udel.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.clover.net!209.151.190.136 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15569 Are midnites and buckfast just the name of a queen and the actual working bees italian? I don't see many people selling midnites or buckfast but they are suppose to be very gentle. What is the drawback for not selling them and selling more italians and causian? From RockRabbitRobin@Hotmail.com Tue Jan 19 11:30:22 EST 1999 Article: 15570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.152.2.200.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!in4.uu.net!iafrica.com!nnrp01.iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sick bee's Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:08:19 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 8 Message-ID: <77uml7$4rf$1@nnrp01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: algernon.datavoice.co.za X-Trace: nnrp01.iafrica.com 916643303 4975 196.3.229.107 (18 Jan 1999 07:08:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@iafrica.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jan 1999 07:08:23 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15570 I opened up one of my hives that has been not doing to good. And there were allot of dead drones lying at the bottom of the hive. When I squashed one to the bee's some sort of grub crawled out of the abdomen of the bee. Seemed to have two eyes. Ever heard of this and how can I kill them. From apipop@wanadoo.fr Tue Jan 19 11:30:23 EST 1999 Article: 15571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!nntp.ntr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.tli.de!news.syseca.fr!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "JEAN-CLAUDE TREYVAUD" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midnite/Buckfast Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:36:13 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 33 Message-ID: <77urhm$hhr$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> References: <36a2a41d.0@news.clover.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntmpl14-214.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15571 I never heard about "midnites", but "Buckfast" bees are well known in Europe. It is a bee breed developed during more than 70 years by a monk named brother ADAM in the Buckfast monastery located in the south of England. Starting in 1916 with some survivor hives (crossbreed of old dark-yellow Ligurian and black England native bee )that escaped an epidemic of trachea mite disease which had killed almost all native bees, brother Adam started selection and breeding of the best races of bees in the world to create the Buckfast breed. Buckfast are very gentle and hard working in severe environment. German bee-keeper are very fond of them. I have tried it but in south of France, where I am living, the native black-bee (apis melifica melifera) is overcoming it very fast. However, during two or three years, I got double or triple honey harvest and very comfortable bee-keeping. In our country where an average of 10 kg. (22 lb.) is usual, a friend of me got about 180 kg (400 lb.) with one hive and 8 supers. I was told about a record of 700 lb. ! Brother Adam wrote three books but I do not know the exact English titles. Translated by myself from French it may be : Search of the best bee races, My bee-keeping method, Breedings and the beekeping of the future. I heard also the Starline bee was the American version of the Buckfast... is that true ? Bob Cannaday a ιcrit dans le message <36a2a41d.0@news.clover.net>... >Are midnites and buckfast just the name of a queen and the actual working >bees italian? I don't see many people selling midnites or buckfast but they >are suppose to be very gentle. What is the drawback for not selling them >and selling more italians and causian? > > From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Tue Jan 19 11:30:24 EST 1999 Article: 15572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Ag Dept questionnaire Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:33:55 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <369f6c8c.2194159@news.jps.net> References: <369E455D.A2564652@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.46.134 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.46.134 X-Trace: 15 Jan 1999 16:54:50 -0800, 209.142.46.134 Lines: 27 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.224.240 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.210.46.218!news-west.eli.net!news1.jps.net!209.142.46.134 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15572 On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:28:29 -0600, Randy Nessler wrote: > I just received a questionnaire from my state Ag. Dept., wanting to >know if I had any hives last year, etc. It is a voluntary form, meaning >I don't have to reply if I don't want to. What are the pros and cons of >returning this form? Whether I had any hives or not, I'd rather not >return it. I believe in keeping the government out of private >enterprise. If enough people return the questionnaire next time you will find a $20. tax added to it to cover the cost of handling it. You will receive no increased services only increased costs for work you must do for yourself. After 40+ years keeping bees in several states I concur with "keep the government out of your bees" Chow, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From skep615@aol.com Tue Jan 19 11:30:24 EST 1999 Article: 15573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!nntp.abs.net!news-peer.gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midnite/Buckfast Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jan 1999 17:12:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <77urhm$hhr$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <19990118121218.18354.00000203@ng106.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15573 "Bob Cannaday" wrote: > >Are midnites and buckfast just the name of a queen and the actual working >bees italian? Midnite, Buckfast, etc. are names of registered hybrids of A. mellifera. If you order a package with a Buckfast (or other hybrid) queen, the workers in the package COULD with no consequence be of Italian (or other) race, but those workers will quickly be replaced by the offspring of the hybrid queen. >I don't see many people selling midnites or buckfast but they >are suppose to be very gentle. What is the drawback for not selling them >and selling more italians and causian? Since the hybrids are registered rather than mere accidents of nature, there is profit to be made and controlled in the supplying of these queens. There are royalties to be paid to the originator or holder of the patent. I believe that in the USA only two apiaries are licenced to sell Buckfast queens and packages: B.Weaver Apiaries, Rt.1 Box 256, Navasota, TX 77868 and The R Weaver Apiaries, Rt.1 Box 260, Navasota, TX 77868-9704 "JEAN-CLAUDE TREYVAUD" wrote: > >Brother Adam wrote three books but I do not know the exact English titles. >Translated by myself from French it may be : Search of the best bee races, >My bee-keeping method, Breedings and the beekeping of the future. Two of those titles are: *Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey* and *In Search of the Best Strains of Bees* (Hamilton, Illinois: Dadant & Sons, 1987). Both of these are available from various beekeeping supply mail-order firms in the USA. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois (85 miles SE of St.Louis) send any e-mail to me at: YELKAO615 at AOL dot COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From papawht1@aol.com Wed Jan 20 05:34:33 EST 1999 Article: 15574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: papawht1@aol.com (PAPAWHT1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jan 1999 00:31:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990118193111.27914.00000411@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15574 i've seen honey crystalize in a short time.what causes this and how do i prevent this from happening.i'am new at this and don't know anything about robbing honey. gerald tilley:e-mail address papawht1@aol.com From tippy@cyberenet.net Wed Jan 20 05:34:34 EST 1999 Article: 15575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <36A38E8B.A12F6585@cyberenet.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:42:04 -0500 From: Jack Allen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: enticing mason bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: tippy.ppp.cyberenet.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tippy.ppp.cyberenet.net X-Trace: 18 Jan 1999 14:22:27 -0500, tippy.ppp.cyberenet.net Organization: CyberENET Network Service Provider Lines: 9 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.213.252.15 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!supernews.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.cyberenet.net!tippy.ppp.cyberenet.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15575 I have no knowledge of beekeeping, but I understand there are ways to attract mason bees. Anyone have any knowledge of this? -- What's the difference between ignorance and indifference? I don't know and I don't care. ICQ: 3219552 Jack From Geoff.Kipps-Bolton@worldnot.att.net Wed Jan 20 05:34:34 EST 1999 Article: 15576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: Geoff.Kipps-Bolton@worldnot.att.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Asleep at the switch Date: 19 Jan 1999 00:29:04 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <36a8d2ab.21452552@netnews.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.3.72 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15576 I wonder whether you actually mean the italian 'ciao' pronounced chow? It is from Italian dialect, literally, (I am your) slave, from Medieval Latin sclavus -- used conventionally as an utterance at meeting or parting On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:33:36 -0800, amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) wrote: >Oops! Just now I inadvertently posted a message which had nothing in it >except for a re-print of what I was going to reply to. Sorry! > > >In the message I was just going to contribute to the continuing education >of the Old Drone by telling him that from living in the Republic of >Vietnam I learned that it is "CHAO" not "CHOW", as I am sure he already >knows :0) Pete A. > > From allend@internode.net Wed Jan 20 05:34:35 EST 1999 Article: 15577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: allend@internode.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: best of bee Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:55:40 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 10 Message-ID: <780omn$qvq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <369BD6F6.C8FC9E49@sk.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.182 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jan 19 01:55:40 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0b2; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.182 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15577 > Can anyone tell me how to subscribe the Best of Bee-l list? Send email to honeybee@systronix.net saying join bestofbee -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From caroneinc@aol.com Wed Jan 20 05:34:36 EST 1999 Article: 15578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: caroneinc@aol.com (CarOneInc) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beeswax handcream recipe? Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jan 1999 03:55:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990118225524.09056.00000343@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15578 If anyone has a good recipe for making homemade handcream using beeswax would you mind sharing it with me. My Email addres is Caroneinc@aol.com. Thank you, Susan M. From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Thu Jan 21 16:24:44 EST 1999 Article: 15579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehouses Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:37:50 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <77kla8$kf9$1@readme.online.no> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 14 Jan 1999 23:35:13 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Jan 14 15:45:01 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 21 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp333.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <369e7df1.119951566@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15579 "Nils Langeland" wrote: >I'm a beekeper in Norway, and have been trying to find drawings for >beehouses. I once saw a beautyful one from Finland - hexagon shaped, but >couldn't get hold of drawings. You may be interested in building a hive similar to the "long" hive that is used in Ukraine and parts of Russia. It is like a big chest with 20 or more frames, and no supering. These hives are very adaptable to making artistic bee houses. No drawing here, but a few photos of these artistic hives are on my website at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ukraine.htm (see the Kyiv museum photos on page 2). -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Jan 21 16:24:45 EST 1999 Article: 15580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in the pond Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jan 1999 13:04:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990115235648.27032.00000496@ng55.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990119080416.10998.00000590@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15580 >We have been getting about 50 or 75 bees in our pond everyday. Don't want to >use any chemicals, but also don't want the bees around the kids. Are there >any >plants or natural deterents for the bees.Thanks for your help. Once bees have found a water source they will continue to use it . If you cover your pond or drain it for about 7 days where they can get no water, then they will search out a new source. they might however find it again later, dont worry though they're just looking for water not trouble. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Jan 21 16:24:46 EST 1999 Article: 15581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Asleep at the switch Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jan 1999 13:06:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <77q3fi$fn2$4@news1.Radix.Net> Message-ID: <19990119080616.10998.00000591@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15581 >Yeah - over there drone brood is "chow". > >Greg the beekeep > > hey don't knock it till ya gnawed it. them critters ain't bad if ya toast em up nice an crisp !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From cts@xcelco.on.ca Thu Jan 21 16:24:47 EST 1999 Article: 15582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!rQdQ!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "D.L. James" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Test Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:36:42 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <7825bg$9p2$1@east43.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.167.188.110 X-Trace: 916756656 0YD664MXXBC6ED1A7C east43.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15582 Test Message only From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Jan 21 16:24:49 EST 1999 Article: 15583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Beetle in NC Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jan 1999 13:17:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990117201827.26738.00003943@ng-cg1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990119081746.10998.00000594@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15583 >>Last report as of today >>Confirmed in 3 counties @ 100 hives effected. >Which counties in NC? And what happened to the affected hives, burned or >what? > >Randy Lynn >Guilford County, NC > Scotland, Richmond, Robenson possible sighting in cumberland but not confirmed. See one of the things thats a bugger here is that during colder months sometimes the corn ear beetle will hang out in a hive. They're black and about 5 mm long but they are not as big as the hive beetle. so each and every report is having to be inspected on an individual basis. Talked to an inspector last week who had seen 2000 hives since the first discovery Nov 28. http://www.agr.state.nc.us/plantind/plant/apiary/hivebe~1.htm this address will give ya more data plus some great pics of the beetles Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From apis@entelchile.net Thu Jan 21 16:24:49 EST 1999 Article: 15584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!199.186.25.111!news.ctcinternet.cl!utfsm!unap!nova.entelchile.net!not-for-mail From: "marcelo schueck" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Chalkbrood Date: 18 Jan 1999 08:56:03 GMT Organization: m s Lines: 2 Message-ID: <01be42af$b31720e0$765054ce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: tch11-118.entelchile.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15584 Does anybody know something new about chalkbrood treatment? Marcelo (new in town) From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Thu Jan 21 16:24:50 EST 1999 Article: 15585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No Apistan for 3 seasons and still going strong! Date: 19 Jan 1999 20:35:58 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 44 Message-ID: <782qbe$f7n$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <182C06835S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <77iveo$693$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15585 Thanks Jim (Roland) for posting the web address. Actually, one can also find information on this topic using a web search on "essential oils" and "bees" We had some warm weather Sunday and I had a chance to check one set of 8 hives and the one that I had indicated had expired. Official verdict is, ambiguously, "v. mites." The actual numbers of the bees (i.e., cluster size) was rather small, so what probably killed them was insufficient critical mass and freezing. I'd guess the mites knocked down their numbers over the past two months either through damage or a slowly acting disease. The number of mites and level of parasitizing was "medium." I.e., the bottomboard was not covered with them like they were >from dead colonies three years ago. Also, note that three years ago, infested hives were usually dead by mid-October. This hive was in pretty decent shape going into fall, and had no obvious signs of varroa as late as mid-October. It was still rearing brood in early November. The lesson for me, here, is to treat preventatively with mint oils regardless of whether I detect any mites or not. Aaron's previous caution about the danger of collapsing colonies' survivors spreading contagion is quite reasonable. The 8 hives in the other yard (about 15 miles away) were doing very well, and had plenty of honey. (I determined this from the activity around the hives, warmth over the innercover hole, and weight of the hives). A quick check of the corpses of removed bees showed no varroa mites. If we have another warm weekend, I'll check my other location and see how they are doing too. Anglin (anglin@mi.verio.com) wrote: : Please post the address for "Amrine's webpage" - I would like more info on : using mint oils. Dave T. : David J Trickett wrote in message <77iveo$693$1@netnews.upenn.edu>... : >Aaron, : > : >Well, as long time newgroup readers may note, I've been using peppermint : >oil for the past two summers. I am located in Southeastern PA. All the : >details are located in Amrine's webpage, so I won't get into this. -- From apipop@wanadoo.fr Thu Jan 21 16:24:51 EST 1999 Article: 15586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "JEAN-CLAUDE TREYVAUD" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner to Beekeeping Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:02:52 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 27 Message-ID: <77ut3l$j0p$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> References: <36A27EB6.58716DE@albany.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntmpl14-2.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15586 Jim, I started bee-keeping some years ago, just for fun. As I am of technical formation I red also plenty of books about bee-keeping, and I can say that if it's true you can learn much from books, it's also quite risky. Experience of how to deal with bees is a MUST. You should find an experienced bee-keeper in your neighbourhood and spend time working with him for at least one season to learn by handling yourself real bees. Instead I am afraid you are going to a disaster. Jim Murray a ιcrit dans le message <36A27EB6.58716DE@albany.net>... >Hi, > >I've decided to get into Beekeeping as a family activity and would like >to begin small. I have a great book on beekeeping and have done some >extensive reading on the Internet as well. It looks like a lot of fun >and could be a big benefit to our veggie garden as well. > >Can someone tell me a good place to buy a starter kit? I've found >several web sites that sell such kits, but being a beginner, I don't >know what's a good deal or not. How much should I spend, what SHOULD the >kit include for a beginner, where do I get the bees from????? > >Any, and all help will be gladly accepted. Thank you! > >Jim Murray > From p.mizen@rfi-shielding.com Thu Jan 21 16:24:52 EST 1999 Article: 15587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rfi-shielding.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Philip Mizen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner to Beekeeping Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:28:40 -0000 Message-ID: <916666193.27407.0.nnrp-03.c2dec323@news.demon.co.uk> References: <36A27EB6.58716DE@albany.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rfi-shielding.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: rfi-shielding.demon.co.uk:194.222.195.35 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 916666193 nnrp-03:27407 NO-IDENT rfi-shielding.demon.co.uk:194.222.195.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15587 Jim I agree with Jean-Claude's reply, i.e. find a local beekeeper to show you the ropes. By doing this for a season you will experience the highs and the lows - which is important. When you go it alone it must be with your eyes wide open. It will be great fun, and usually very rewarding - good luck, keep us updated on your progress. For a list of beekeeping contacts you should try your local library. From there should find details of either individuals or beekeeping groups. You can also contact your national beekeeping association - which country are you in? When you have made contact with some like-minded people, they will point you in the direction of equipment and bee suppliers. Regards Philip Mizen Jim Murray wrote in message <36A27EB6.58716DE@albany.net>... >Hi, > >I've decided to get into Beekeeping as a family activity and would like >to begin small. I have a great book on beekeeping and have done some >extensive reading on the Internet as well. It looks like a lot of fun >and could be a big benefit to our veggie garden as well. > >Can someone tell me a good place to buy a starter kit? I've found >several web sites that sell such kits, but being a beginner, I don't >know what's a good deal or not. How much should I spend, what SHOULD the >kit include for a beginner, where do I get the bees from????? > >Any, and all help will be gladly accepted. Thank you! > >Jim Murray > From robin_gilham@my-dejanews.com Thu Jan 21 16:24:53 EST 1999 Article: 15588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: robin_gilham@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Can I warm the honey to ease filtering Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:52:43 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7835s6$tsg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.7.0.35 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jan 19 23:42:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 proxy.DataVoice.co.za:8080 (Squid/1.1.22), 1.0 proxy02.iafrica.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22), 1.0 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 196.3.229.207, 196.3.229.4, 196.7.0.35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15588 Many people have suggested that I filter the honey though nylon panty hose, can I warm the honey in a large pot on the stove to let it pass through the nylon easier otherwise it takes forever. How would I warm the honey otherwise? Thanks Robin -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Jan 21 16:24:55 EST 1999 Article: 15589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can I warm the honey to ease filtering Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jan 1999 00:54:04 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7835s6$tsg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19990119195404.09327.00000824@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15589 >hose, >can I warm the honey in a large pot on the stove to let it pass through the >nylon easier otherwise it takes forever. > >How would I warm the honey otherwise? > >Thanks >Robin > >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > do what ya want but room temp is high enough it's all i ever use, takes a bit longer sometimes, but it's worth it Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From purcell@atlanta.com Thu Jan 21 16:24:56 EST 1999 Article: 15590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: purcell@atlanta.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for budgeting information Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:02:44 GMT Organization: Epoch Internet Lines: 25 Message-ID: <36a71383.29936025@news.eni.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.pool.atl800.gw.eni.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!cyclone.i1.net!news.compuvar.com!paxfeed.eni.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15590 I'm looking to start a couple of hives this year, after about eight years with no bees. Before eight years ago, I kept bees for about ten years. The last year I had bees was the first year tracheal mite was a major problem here in north Georgia, so I have had limited experience with tracheal mite, and no experience with varoa. I would like some of the experienced beekeepers to give me a clear idea of how much I need to budget per hive for disease control, and possibly some tips on which controls are the most effective. Also, does the presence of mites make the use of fumidil and / or terramycin (sp?) more necessary? ( I used to get along just fine without these treatments. ) Also, can someone post a list, or a link to a list of Queen / Package bee producers that have web sites? I found the Brushy Mountain web site. Does Walter T. Kelley have a web site, or can someone post their mailing address? Many thanks in advance, -- Michael Purcell purcell@atlanta.com From itl191@online.kharkov.ua Thu Jan 21 16:24:57 EST 1999 Article: 15591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!ktts!infocom!not-for-mail From: "Sergey Beketov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is there anybody, who works with bee wax? Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:06:23 +0300 Organization: ITL Communications Lines: 14 Message-ID: <784dlp$f73$1@zingaia.itl.net.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: n001.dialup.itl.net.ua Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: zingaia.itl.net.ua 916830713 15587 62.244.4.201 (20 Jan 1999 11:11:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@itl.net.ua NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jan 1999 11:11:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15591 Hello there all, ok, right now I'm reading all your messages to this group, and, frankly, just dissapointing..:( Everybody is speaking and discussing only the problems of bee HONEY, and not wax. Please, if someone of you has a little deal not with honey, but with bee WAX, inform me about this, ok? Preferable, from Europe. Regards, Sergey. From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Jan 21 16:24:58 EST 1999 Article: 15592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there anybody, who works with bee wax? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jan 1999 12:12:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <784dlp$f73$1@zingaia.itl.net.ua> Message-ID: <19990120071209.03578.00000017@ng98.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15592 >frankly, >just dissapointing..:( > >HONEY, and not >wax. >P Ok , so just what do you want to know ? a lot of wax is traded back to companies for foundation comb. some of us make candles, others make creams and soaps. So just what do you want to know ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From Barry@Birkey.com Tue Jan 26 22:11:46 EST 1999 Article: 15598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: where are the cheap bees? Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:16:20 -0600 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 21 Message-ID: <36A69C00.EAC778E5@Birkey.com> References: <36a675fb.23088202@news.cybercen.net> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.172.128 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15598 wicks@joplin.mt.us wrote: > > And who has the > cheapest bees for sale. IMHO, not the best criteria to judge bees by (and most other things) unless you're using it to rule these suppliers out. I would be more concerned with quality and reputation than price. For a partial list of bee suppliers, you can see: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/suplybe.html http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/obba.html Regards, -Barry -- Barry Birkey Illinios, USA -------------------------------------------- barry@birkey.com > http://www.birkey.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jan 26 22:11:47 EST 1999 Article: 15599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Vac Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jan 1999 16:17:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990120111717.22152.00000036@ng94.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15599 Ok ladies and gents, the time has arrived !!!!!!! In just a very few days you can be the owner of a Big Johnson Bee Vac !! If you remember back last fall i told ya about me and the little one winning the first prize for the best gadget at the North Carolina State beekeepers meeting. We built a vac that uses your own vac cleaner from home, so as you'd expect anybody can actually afford one. I always wanted one but the dang things were about 400.00 in the catalogs. Ours is selling at Brushy Mountain for 84.00 Now i'm telling ya you'll get your moneys worth, made outa 3/4 inch plywood, brass hinges and latches, painted and comes with a cage and 6 feet of hose and 1 ft to connect to your vac cleaner. put together with glue and screws, i didna use nails on mine so i ain't gonna sell you no half built one either !! Ya may wanta call Brushy quick cause i only built 20 to start with, thats the number he wanted to try out. The vac's in their new catalog, so they tell me but i just wanted to let my news group friends know rite off the bat. Couple of ya from over seas, australia, uk etc.. had asked if you could get them. I asked the folks at Brushy Mountain and they said they'd ship em anywhere cept the moon cause there won't nobody up there to pay the bill Now on the instruction sheet there's my address and yes even my home phone number, so you can call to ask any question ya might have. Otherwise i'll be on here till dooms day i reckon. thanks for all the interest last fall, go ahead and get ya order in,, once those 20 are gone it'll take me about 2 weeks to get some more up to them. Thanks a heap ya'll Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From lithar@midwest.net Tue Jan 26 22:11:48 EST 1999 Article: 15600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vac Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:45:49 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 24 Message-ID: <36A6DB2D.7665@midwest.net> References: <785pn1$sfk$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <19990120191723.05425.00000270@ng-fu1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 916897760 .ZFUVYH4M1C15D0EBC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.corridex.com!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15600 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > actually you could call brushy mountain > 1-800-beeswax, i'm sure they have a shipping weight from the one i delivered > for catalog drawing,photos etc. > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively > by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. > > " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " I checked their web site looking for pics of your "Big Johnson" but found no such explicit details - got any to show??? AL From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 26 22:11:49 EST 1999 Article: 15601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax handcream recipe? Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:21:41 +0000 Organization: buzz Message-ID: <6V4ImDAFUmp2EwP8@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> References: <19990118225524.09056.00000343@ng-fv1.aol.com> <36A6087D.971C3997@xs4all.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 916875200 nnrp-09:16827 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcqpSE1UkpoSZVq+> Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15601 In article <36A6087D.971C3997@xs4all.nl>, Abe Maaijen writes >Skin Cream > >2 1/2 ounces (weight) beeswax >4 ounces (weight) lanolin >2/3 cup baby or mineral oil >3/4 cup water >1 teaspoon borax (sodium borate, CP) >Fragrant essential oil (optional) What do the chemists among us say. Isn't borax prohibnited in the UK now? -- Tom S From ntbandit@globec.com.au Tue Jan 26 22:11:50 EST 1999 Article: 15602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: ntbandit@globec.com.au Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: australian native bees Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 06:03:25 GMT Organization: Power Up Lines: 18 Message-ID: <36a6c2aa.36747964@news.globec.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: galaxy.globec.com.au X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!grissom.powerup.com.au!galaxy.globec.com.au!203.147.240.29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15602 g'day all, my first entry in this group hoping i'm not out of line. for those who are interested i have a contact for antive bees, for those who live in or near the brisbane region of queensland. please e.m me for postal details. thank you - - happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' alt' em address #1 alt' em address #2 "old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" From Geoff.Kipps-Bolton@worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 26 22:11:51 EST 1999 Article: 15603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: Geoff.Kipps-Bolton@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can I warm the honey to ease filtering Date: 20 Jan 1999 16:31:00 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <36a6049f.54659612@netnews.worldnet.att.net> References: <7835s6$tsg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.6.21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15603 If you can get an old fridge and install a low wattage light bulb you can warm honey very successfully. I had a problem with buckets of crystalised honey. They could be re-liquified in about 24 hours. An old fridge is best, but If you can't get a fridge a cupboard or large box will do if you insulate it. Don't get the honey too hot. The point between it not flowing and at which it will flow through a mesh freely is quite critical. Geoff On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:52:43 GMT, robin_gilham@my-dejanews.com wrote: >Many people have suggested that I filter the honey though nylon panty hose, >can I warm the honey in a large pot on the stove to let it pass through the >nylon easier otherwise it takes forever. > >How would I warm the honey otherwise? > >Thanks >Robin > >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From hensler@povn.com Tue Jan 26 22:11:52 EST 1999 Article: 15604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!dogbert.supra.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vac Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:20:04 -0800 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 33 Message-ID: <36A7B624.2A7D@povn.com> References: <785pn1$sfk$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <19990120191723.05425.00000270@ng-fu1.aol.com> <36A6DB2D.7665@midwest.net> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp203.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15604 > Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > > > actually you could call brushy mountain > > 1-800-beeswax, i'm sure they have a shipping weight from the one i delivered > > for catalog drawing,photos etc. > > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > > > Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively > > by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. > > > > " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " Then Al (sounds like an alias to me) impertinently asked: > I checked their web site looking for pics of your "Big Johnson" but > found no such explicit details - got any to show??? > > AL Yeah, sure sounds like false advertising to me... :-) Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jan 26 22:11:53 EST 1999 Article: 15605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!nntp.ntr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vac Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jan 1999 01:07:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36A7B624.2A7D@povn.com> Message-ID: <19990121200742.26630.00000789@ng122.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15605 >Then Al (sounds like an alias to me) impertinently asked: > >> I checked their web site looking for pics of your "Big Johnson" but >> found no such explicit details - got any to show??? >> >> AL > > >Yeah, sure sounds like false advertising to me... :-) > >Skip awe gimmie a break, my viagra perscription dun ran out besides the new catalog mails the second week in feb. don't know when the web site gets updated Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jan 26 22:11:55 EST 1999 Article: 15606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!egsner!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!nntp.giganews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: coumaphas mite control Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jan 1999 01:13:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36A7B2AE.DDB28F3F@kusd.edu> Message-ID: <19990121201348.26630.00000792@ng122.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15606 >The Wisconsin Dept. of Agriculture has agreed to allow the state's >beekeepers to use coumaphos for treatment of mites. This material is >apparently being used in Europe with some success. The material is >delivered to the hive in the same way as fluvalinate. I haven't heard >much discussion on this material and am wondering how long it has been >used and to what extent it has been successful in Europe. The Ag. Dept. >seems very optimistic. What's the word on coumaphos out their? > apparently the commercial guys in fla have been using it under the table for a year or more. Tis i believe the property of the Bayer company ( the guys that brought ya asaprin ). have heard of great success, but NO fda approval as yet. Wonder how wisconsin is getting by the FEDS. If they are i'd really like to know it, Maybe NC would follow suit and tell the( F ) umbled ( D ) umb ( A ) sses to go eat a duck !!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From tfulton@kusd.edu Tue Jan 26 22:11:56 EST 1999 Article: 15607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspump.sol.net!nntp.inc.net!news.inc.net!not-for-mail From: Tim Fulton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: coumaphas mite control Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:05:18 -0600 Organization: Inc.Net http://www.inc.net Lines: 9 Message-ID: <36A7B2AE.DDB28F3F@kusd.edu> Reply-To: tfulton@kusd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.25.139.87 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15607 The Wisconsin Dept. of Agriculture has agreed to allow the state's beekeepers to use coumaphos for treatment of mites. This material is apparently being used in Europe with some success. The material is delivered to the hive in the same way as fluvalinate. I haven't heard much discussion on this material and am wondering how long it has been used and to what extent it has been successful in Europe. The Ag. Dept. seems very optimistic. What's the word on coumaphos out their? From valkyrie@valkyrie.co.nz Tue Jan 26 22:11:58 EST 1999 Article: 15608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: Adrian T Stacey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Important Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:56:11 +1300 Organization: Valkyrie Systems Ltd Lines: 11 Message-ID: <36A804EB.B1B1654@valkyrie.co.nz> References: <36A7526B.9DA9D590@hotmail.com> <19990121213225.26632.00000912@ng122.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.chc.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; U) Cache-Post-Path: newsch.es.co.nz!unknown@p56-max3.chc.ihug.co.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15608 http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? :) Hk1BeeMan wrote: > BTW wouldna mind knowing what them french words actually said , if'n ya get the > chance From adamf@vt.edu Tue Jan 26 22:11:59 EST 1999 Article: 15609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Beetle in NC Date: 21 Jan 1999 05:28:44 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <786duc$3g1$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19990115212119.14482.00001345@ng-fx1.aol.com> <77q3cb$fn2$3@news1.Radix.Net> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port7.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15609 In article <77q3cb$fn2$3@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: >hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >I bet the bee researchers are grinning like a jackass eating >briars with this new pest. They are probably out buying >new cars and other toys with this new found job security. Not so. Most of them have a very underdeveloped sense of humor and don't grin often. :) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From rick@askrick.com Tue Jan 26 22:12:00 EST 1999 Article: 15610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "AskRick.com" Subject: Tax Breaks for bee-keepers Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:43:20 -0800 Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: [208.250.204.155] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews03 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15610 Has anyone heard about a tax break for property owners of land where bee's are kept? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, Rick From amschelp@pe.net Tue Jan 26 22:12:01 EST 1999 Article: 15611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Went Bye Bye Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:12:32 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: c2p065.hem.pe.net X-Trace: market.pe.net 916981807 12863 216.100.28.165 (22 Jan 1999 05:10:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jan 1999 05:10:07 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15611 I observed last week that every single bee in my top bar hive has flown the coop. I wonder if the tree surgery we did last month to thin out the pine tree they were hanging in caused them to decide to fly. This is not a happifying occurrence, to have your bees fly the coop. From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jan 26 22:12:02 EST 1999 Article: 15612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vac Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jan 1999 12:05:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36A806D5.4591@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19990122070529.05420.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15612 >> " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " > >I dunno - Skip whaddaya say - we cut ole Kev some slack? Seems a shame >to back off so soon - I haven't even started on the negative air >pressure aspect of the humor:) > >Oh well, best to keep it "G" rated. > >AL Actually I'm enjoyin the hell outa it myself Ya dang sure can't forget the name a the thing can ya ? By the way , This ain't no copyrite infringement either, ya see i aint quite a skinny fellow by no means and the johnson part i come by kinda natural like. Ya'll buy ya one, They're the best thing since store bought soap !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jan 26 22:12:03 EST 1999 Article: 15613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re:Bee Venom Therapy Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jan 1999 14:11:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <789vrc$t8s$1@mango.singnet.com.sg> Message-ID: <19990122091131.27976.00001009@ng93.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15613 >Has anybody tried Bee venom therapy -- With live Stings or Injections for >treatment of Rheumatoid Arthritis or other Immune related Arthritis. Is it >real had a lady used to get some from me, took the swellin rite outa them knuckles. She even went back to playin the pianola. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jan 26 22:12:04 EST 1999 Article: 15614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.flash.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jan 1999 18:00:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36A8966C.361F@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19990122130015.02939.00001123@ng116.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15614 >One never knows where a thread may lead does one? > > >AL Ya know threads is like people..... We have 2 ends with a common link With one we sit With one we think Success depends on which we choose Heads we win ...Tails we lose. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue Jan 26 22:12:05 EST 1999 Article: 15615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can I warm the honey to ease filtering Date: Wed, 20 Jan 99 08:06:00 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <182CC71E9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <7835s6$tsg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!news-stk-1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15615 In article <7835s6$tsg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> robin_gilham@my-dejanews.com writes: > > ... filter the honey though nylon panty hose, > ... warm the honey in a large pot on the stove > Heating the honey WILL make the filtering go faster but it's not absolutely necessary. If you DO heat, pot on the stove is a bad idea. Direct heat to the honey will most likely result in scorching. You should use some sort of double boiler arrangement and be careful not to warm your honey too much. 110 dF is sufficient. Aaron Morris - thinking if you can't take the heat get your honey out of the kitchen! From amschelp@pe.net Tue Jan 26 22:12:07 EST 1999 Article: 15616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Went Bye Bye Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:51:26 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <01be464b$2493a560$a505480c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: c2p093.hem.pe.net X-Trace: market.pe.net 917041739 4536 216.100.28.193 (22 Jan 1999 21:48:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jan 1999 21:48:59 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15616 I know; I was thinking of how their passing might reflect badly on top bar hives which I have been promoting, but my back yard top bar hive is doing fine. No signs of any predation or disease except there was a good sized dead beetle in there. I looked up pictures of this new hive beetle that I have been reading about, but this big beetle looked nothing like that. The comb looks fine and nice just like they have taken off for a while and will soon be back. Has a swarm every boogied and then come back? This would be rare, I'm sure; once they make up their minds I'm sure they are history. Do you think the ruckus from the tree trimming caused them to hit the road? It was pretty intense; big branches were falling down all around them and the tree was shaking and the chainsaw was whining. In article <01be464b$2493a560$a505480c@default>, gstyLer@worldnet.att.net says... > Should have kept them in a Laangstroth coop! Just kidding Peter. Any signs > of predation or disease that might ause them to abscond? > From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 26 22:12:08 EST 1999 Article: 15617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Went Bye Bye Date: 22 Jan 1999 21:05:47 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01be464b$2493a560$a505480c@default> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.5.165 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15617 Should have kept them in a Laangstroth coop! Just kidding Peter. Any signs of predation or disease that might ause them to abscond? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Peter Amschel wrote in article ... > I observed last week that every single bee in my top bar hive has flown > the coop. > I wonder if the tree surgery we did last month to thin out the pine tree > they were hanging in caused them to decide to fly. > > This is not a happifying occurrence, to have your bees fly the coop. > > > > > > > From lithar@midwest.net Tue Jan 26 22:12:08 EST 1999 Article: 15618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WTB Nailing jig to assemble 5.75" frames Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:11:17 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 13 Message-ID: <36A90595.1373@midwest.net> References: <78at7c$kvo$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 917046893 .ZFUVYH4M1C21D0EBC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15618 richrose@inlink.com wrote: > > I am looking for a nailing jig like the Kelley 80S - GOOD USED is fine. > > I'd buy from Kelley but they are not selling them! > > rich If you have the means to build, one you might be able to make use of this: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/framejig.html AL From CIrwin@novell.com Tue Jan 26 22:12:10 EST 1999 Article: 15619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <36A907CB.A76592E0@novell.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:20:43 -0700 From: Charles Irwin Organization: Novell, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Build Hives References: <01be3dab$9d298b00$0fce1ece@default> <77ifu5$oc2$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.65.92.16 Lines: 32 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!12.127.17.134!attbtf!attbt2!ip.att.net!news.provo.novell.com!137.65.92.16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15619 If you don't mind the time, building the frame parts can be a fun woodworking project. My dad and I built frame parts for 70+ frames for less than $28. We chopped a 2x4 into chunks tall enough for the desired frame type, then used a router table to do the top and bottom groves. Then we ran it through the table saw to peel off the pieces in the right thickness. The last piece was usually too thin. Finally we go back to the router table to taper the sides using a stop to get the right depth. All in all it took about a day and a half. Then the assembly Chuck Irwin cirwin@novell.com Jerome R. Long wrote: > In article <01be3dab$9d298b00$0fce1ece@default>, bill-c@ellijay.com says... > > > >I just finished building from scratch 17 medium supers, 4 hive bodies, 7 > >telescoping covers, 7 inner covers, and 9 bottom boards. The lumber cost > >about 125.00 US. I spent 18 hours doing all the work. For a hobby beekeeper > >that likes to work with wood, this looks like you could save some money. > >You also have to consider the shipping cost when you buy from the bee > >supply co. > > > >William > Building boxes, bottom boards and covers is one thing and is quite cost > effective IF you have spare time. But frames are a completely different > matter. > Your time has to be worth nothing at all to fool with cutting frame parts. It > is so tedious and there are so many of them. It even gets very old just > assembling the pre-cut frame parts available through sources such as Kelley. From cheatherly@mms.net Tue Jan 26 22:12:12 EST 1999 Article: 15620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!-program!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36A94870.FA723A4@mms.net> From: Charles Heatherly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tax Breaks for bee-keepers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:56:33 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.249.206 X-Trace: ralph.vnet.net 917064174 166.82.249.206 (Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:02:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:02:54 EDT Organization: Vnet Internet Access Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15620 "AskRick.com" wrote: > Has anyone heard about a tax break for property owners of land where bee's > are kept? > Any info would be appreciated. > Thanks, > Rick Sorry, Rick' I don't think there are any tax breaks us who little guys who are really doing some good int he world. The tax breaks are exclusively for the big guys who give big bucks to the politicians who write the tax laws. Take the pig farmers, for example, The big guys have driven down prices in an effort to drive the little guys out of business. So what does the Government do. Give the pig faamers $130 million for creating the mess in the first place. Talk to your congressman and tell him what you think of it. CH Raleigh, NC From cts@xcelco.on.ca Tue Jan 26 22:12:13 EST 1999 Article: 15621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "D.L. James" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Video Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:37:26 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <78bn8e$t70$1@east42.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.167.188.68 X-Trace: 917069902 0YD664MXXBC44D1A7C east42.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15621 Does anyone out there have a beginners basic bee keeping instructional video they wish to sell. I require one for school instruction, senior homes, class rooms etc. From mejensen@att.net Tue Jan 26 22:12:14 EST 1999 Article: 15622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: mejensen@att.net (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WTB Nailing jig to assemble 5.75" frames Date: 23 Jan 1999 04:17:42 GMT Organization: No Junk Mail Lines: 8 Message-ID: <36a94d0c.1428470@netnews.att.net> References: <78at7c$kvo$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: mejensen@att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.65.249 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15622 My bees tell me richrose@inlink.com wrote: >I am looking for a nailing jig like the Kelley 80S - GOOD USED is fine. > >I'd buy from Kelley but they are not selling them! > I am using a Senco air powered staple gun with 1 3/4 in. staples. Very fast and very sturdy. From cts@xcelco.on.ca Tue Jan 26 22:12:15 EST 1999 Article: 15623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.niehs.nih.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "D.L. James" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Instructional Video Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:34:14 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <78bn2e$1cv$1@east43.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.167.188.68 X-Trace: 917069710 0YD664MXXBC44D1A7C east43.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15623 Hello: Does anyone out there have a really good instructional video on bee keeping they want to sell. I need one for school demonstrations, class room instruction etc. From richrose@inlink.com Tue Jan 26 22:12:16 EST 1999 Article: 15624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: richrose@inlink.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTB Nailing jig to assemble 5.75" frames Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:14:13 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 9 Message-ID: <78at7c$kvo$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.135.142.80 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jan 22 22:14:13 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.03Gold (Win16; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x15.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.135.142.80 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15624 I am looking for a nailing jig like the Kelley 80S - GOOD USED is fine. I'd buy from Kelley but they are not selling them! rich sam-bee@inlink.com -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From rosehill@netspace.net.au Tue Jan 26 22:12:39 EST 1999 Article: 15625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: rosehill@netspace.net.au (Rosemary Hill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Instructional Video Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Originating-Host: 203.23.72.3 References: <78bn2e$1cv$1@east43.supernews.com> Lines: 18 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 04:42:21 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.3.176 X-Trace: WReNphoon2 917095523 10.0.3.176 (Sat, 23 Jan 1999 04:45:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 04:45:23 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15625 I don't know what they are like, but there are beekeeping video's for sale via this web page; http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine/beevideos.htm There is also educational software that can be downloaded on; http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/ If you search the beekeeping software you'll find Honeybee.zip which may be useful. Both of these links I found via; www.beekeeping.co.nz which has lots of interesting information and a huge list of related sites. -**** Posted from remarQ, Discussions Start Here(tm) ****- http://www.remarq.com/ - Host to the the World's Discussions & Usenet From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Jan 26 22:12:44 EST 1999 Article: 15626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Jan 1999 12:47:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36A7F105.A54AA130@mms.net> Message-ID: <19990123074733.29491.00001550@ng123.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15626 I don't know how the breeders of queens keep their stock pure other than by using a good eye and artificial insemination. A guy with a few hives keeps his buckfast pure by using marked queens and requeening. Not all supercedures are nicely tempered. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From honeybs@radix.net Tue Jan 26 22:12:46 EST 1999 Article: 15627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.186.110.126!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom Therapy Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:50:50 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <78ch7v$82n$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <789vrc$t8s$1@mango.singnet.com.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: port9.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15627 "firm1" wrote: >Has anybody tried Bee venom therapy -- With live Stings or Injections for >treatment of Rheumatoid Arthritis or other Immune related Arthritis. Is it >really effective, since quite a few Web sites claim its effectiveness & is >practiced by licensed Doctors in US & other European & Asian Countries. >Thanks >JS My guess is that it does work as I shipped out 1,000,000+ bees last year to people just for that purpose. Most of those people have MS and need stings every week. The ones with arthritis only get a box once in a while. Many of my customers with MS have commented on their arthritis being the first thing to disapear. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jrlong@vt.edu Tue Jan 26 22:12:49 EST 1999 Article: 15628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!nntp.ntr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: was: Can I warm the honey to ease filtering Date: 23 Jan 1999 21:40:55 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 19 Message-ID: <78dfl7$if9$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <7835s6$tsg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5300-2.sl115.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 917127655 18921 128.173.33.100 (23 Jan 1999 21:40:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jan 1999 21:40:55 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15628 In article <7835s6$tsg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, robin_gilham@my-dejanews.com says... > >Many people have suggested that I filter the honey though nylon panty hose, >can I warm the honey in a large pot on the stove to let it pass through the >nylon easier otherwise it takes forever. > >How would I warm the honey otherwise? Isn't a microwave the easiest way? Responses so be very careful not to overheat. I know that excessive heating will darken the honey. Other than that, what is wrong with heating? If you don't have large volume and no extractor, what better way is there to separate comb and honey than a little microwaving? don From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Jan 26 22:12:51 EST 1999 Article: 15629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Went Bye Bye Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Jan 1999 21:53:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990123165350.16752.00001706@ng152.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15629 When the bees starve you will find many dead bees head first in their cells. When there are no bees at all it indicates they most likely dwindled to disease. Least ways that has been my experiance. When there arn't enough bees to make a good cluster they will starve an inch away from a comb full of honey. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From adameden@ipa.net Tue Jan 26 22:12:52 EST 1999 Article: 15630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!seas.smu.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!newshost.cyberramp.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "R & S Adams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buckfast Bees Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:21:24 -0600 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 11 Message-ID: <788jll$8gp$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-4-211.jopl.ipa.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15630 After reading about the buckfast bees and high honey production. I was wondering if a person got a colony of buckfast, would you have to keep them isolated from italians (which I have now), so they would not crossbreed? How do you over a period of time keep the buckfast pure? R Adams, Joplin MO. I bee, therefore I am. From lithar@midwest.net Tue Jan 26 22:12:53 EST 1999 Article: 15631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!seas.smu.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!newshost.cyberramp.net!hub1.ispnews.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vac Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:04:21 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 38 Message-ID: <36A806D5.4591@midwest.net> References: <36A7B624.2A7D@povn.com> <19990121200742.26630.00000789@ng122.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 916974476 .ZFUVYH4M1C27D0EBC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15631 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >Then Al (sounds like an alias to me) impertinently asked: > > > >> I checked their web site looking for pics of your "Big Johnson" but > >> found no such explicit details - got any to show??? > >> > >> AL > > > > > >Yeah, sure sounds like false advertising to me... :-) > > > >Skip > > awe gimmie a break, my viagra perscription dun ran out > > besides the new catalog mails the second week in feb. don't know when the web > site gets updated > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively > by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. > > " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " I dunno - Skip whaddaya say - we cut ole Kev some slack? Seems a shame to back off so soon - I haven't even started on the negative air pressure aspect of the humor:) Oh well, best to keep it "G" rated. AL From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jan 26 22:12:54 EST 1999 Article: 15632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jan 1999 14:24:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990122065319.05420.00000813@ng-fu1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990122092441.03802.00001021@ng96.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15632 Subj: Re: Bee Vac Date: 1/22/99 8:14:38 AM Eastern Standard Time From: RBowsend To: Hk1BeeMan Young man! My comment was tongue in cheek. I have a basic problem with people who refuse to use the English language properly, or refuse to learn how to multiply because they have calculators. We all have tough breaks. The difference between those who overcome and those who don't, is doing what they do, as well as they can, and paying attention to detail. You will sell your gadget. There will always be those who will buy and creativity is to be applauded, but you sell yourself short by sounding like an uneducated redneck in your writing. Is that the example you want to set for your children, or the image you want to present to the public when you are out with your lovely wife? Help your kids use the English language correctly, encourage them to do well in school, and they will have a choice in how they survive, not be captive in a class with others that sound and act just like them. That class includes good people but as a whole, not high achievers. Above all, don't teach them to make excuses instead of growing. Beth - Professor of Mathematics, Beekeeper, mother of 4 (two of them not my own), battered wife and single mother survivor, and happily married to the BEST man in the world. Got here by working my butt off, oh, and by the way, 40. Ya'll reckon i mighta just slightly pissed er off ??????????????????????????????? Sorry bout that. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From mlomas@tinet.ie Tue Jan 26 22:12:55 EST 1999 Article: 15633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Mark Lomas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Slugs Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:17:38 -0000 Organization: Natural Technology Systems Lines: 12 Message-ID: <78depv$ffl$1@spock.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: p203.limerick1.tinet.ie X-Trace: spock.tinet.ie 917126783 15861 159.134.249.203 (23 Jan 1999 21:26:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jan 1999 21:26:23 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15633 Do slugs destroy comb? I noticed broken comb outside the hive today and fearing mice lifted up the hive to look inside. Inside I found some slugs, not actually eating honey but close to the comb. This hive(our only one, I'm new to this.) contains a small swarm which took up residence before I had a chance to put in any frames! So they have access to a super and brood box and we'll move them into a proper home in the spring. Are the slugs a threat to the honey store? or has something else bust up the comb? Thanks in advance Heather. From lithar@midwest.net Tue Jan 26 22:12:56 EST 1999 Article: 15634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted: Hive plans Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:46:28 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 16 Message-ID: <36AA8984.23EA@midwest.net> References: <36AA661E.AA32FA1D@montana.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 917146212 .ZFUVYH4M1C1AD0EBC usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15634 Jason Parish wrote: > > Hello all: > > I am interested in getting into beekeeping and would like to build my > own supplies. I was hoping that someone might have > plans/blueprints/dimensions/etc. that they would be willing to share. I > appreciate any and all assistance in this matter. Thank you! > This should do the job: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/index.htm AL From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jan 26 22:12:57 EST 1999 Article: 15635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.idt.net!nyd.news.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Coumaphas for GA, SC, and NC Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jan 1999 00:54:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990123195424.21440.00002179@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15635 In a massive change of direction, it seems that the EPA has finally decided to do something that makes sense ! Apparently due to the effect of coumaphas on the African small Hive beetle, The chemical will be released on a very limited and controlled basis in those states where the pest has been found. See previous post from APIS news letter concerning FLA According to Inspectors with the NC DEPT OF Agriculture approval has been issued in GA, Possibly SC and is expected within 2 weeks for North Carolina. Hopefully such a swift move on the part of the goverment may significantly reduce the spread of the hive beetle. As far as i know this is the first word on the release that local beekeepers have received for North Carolina. anyone else has any more info please pass it along. Thank you, Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From amschelp@pe.net Tue Jan 26 22:12:58 EST 1999 Article: 15636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:38:30 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: c3p046.hem.pe.net X-Trace: magnolia.pe.net 917148969 25603 216.100.28.46 (24 Jan 1999 03:36:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jan 1999 03:36:09 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15636 Some use barriers like setting the hive on 4 coffee cans and smearing the cans with grease. One time the hymenopteri had set up a pesky little nest that I discovered under the metal top cover on the top board of my Langstroth hive. In article , wooten@netdoor.com says... > I have 2 hives and have noticed a lot of small black ants invading them. Am > wondering how this could be treated without causing problems to my bees. The > hives are on a metal platform sitting on 2 concrete blocks 8 in off of the > ground. > > > From wooten@netdoor.com Tue Jan 26 22:13:02 EST 1999 Article: 15637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Andy Wooten" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ants Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:49:54 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.148.210.214 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 917146060 208.148.210.214 (Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:47:40 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:47:40 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15637 I have 2 hives and have noticed a lot of small black ants invading them. Am wondering how this could be treated without causing problems to my bees. The hives are on a metal platform sitting on 2 concrete blocks 8 in off of the ground. From thegibsons@worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 26 22:13:03 EST 1999 Article: 15638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: Charles Gibson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Northwest Florida Date: 22 Jan 1999 19:12:34 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <36A8CF8B.260EEBC7@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.228.17 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15638 I am interested in meeting other other beekeepers in the Pensacola, Florida area. I am new to the business and want to start a couple hives this spring. Great NG!! I've already learned tons from reading the posts. From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 26 22:13:03 EST 1999 Article: 15639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants Date: 24 Jan 1999 04:06:46 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 21 Message-ID: <01be474e$d27d49c0$6433480c@micron> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15639 Get some Tanglefoot at a garden center or nursery. Run a bead all the way around the concrete blocks. You'll have to re-apply periodically, but it worked great for my hives on concrete blocks -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Andy Wooten wrote in article ... > I have 2 hives and have noticed a lot of small black ants invading them. Am > wondering how this could be treated without causing problems to my bees. The > hives are on a metal platform sitting on 2 concrete blocks 8 in off of the > ground. > > > From Griffes@my-dejanews.com Tue Jan 26 22:13:05 EST 1999 Article: 15640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 04:26:20 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 36 Message-ID: <78e7d5$36m$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <788jll$8gp$1@news.ipa.net> <36A7F105.A54AA130@mms.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jan 24 04:26:20 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x7.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15640 In article <36A7F105.A54AA130@mms.net>, Charles Heatherly wrote: >Got my first Buckfast > hive last year. They did great. Produced over 400 pounds of honey. This is > just a hunch, but I suspect the dominant traits in the Buckfast will overwhelm > the Italians which I also have and that the offspring will be a combination of > the better traits of each. Oh that bee breeding were indeed so simple. It would be nice but it just ain't so. Of course it sure would knock the challenge level down to near nothing if'n it worked thata way. When you cross Buckfast with certain Italian strains which are NOT Tracheal Mite resistant what actually happens is that in the F1 you get a reduced but moderate level of resistance. IOW you don't get to keep just the good stuff when you make a cross - everything rearranges and some stuff gets diluted in the process. If the cross is a good one you may amplify some trait or traits you truly favor but chances are GREAT that other surprises will await you. One common surprise in crosses is TEMPER - another is swarming - particularly in the F1. Buckfast has a lot of Italian in it though so it often crosses well with Italian strains as far as temper and swarming go. >From a practical standpoint - you must use AI to maintain purity unless you have a truly isolated mating area - as per you can plop down drone free mating nucs plant cells in 'em and a month later NOT A ONE will have a mated queen. When ya got but few hives 'tis easier by far to buy marked queens of the type ya prefer and maintain "purity" thata way. Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From Billy.Y.Smart@nospam.boeing.com Tue Jan 26 22:13:06 EST 1999 Article: 15641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!seas.smu.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Looking for beekeeper in Central Kansas X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8531C9D699B8A44D86831775" Message-ID: <36A8AB21.A97AE867@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: Tooling Numerical Control Programming Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:45:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; AIX 4.1) Lines: 43 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15641 --------------8531C9D699B8A44D86831775 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello group, I am located in Central Kansas (Wichita area) and am looking for a beekeeper who can show a newbie a few ropes. Please respond via e-mail or repost to ng. Thanks, -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ --------------8531C9D699B8A44D86831775 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello group,

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  --------------8531C9D699B8A44D86831775-- From jlparish@montana.com Tue Jan 26 22:13:07 EST 1999 Article: 15642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36AA661E.AA32FA1D@montana.com> From: Jason Parish Reply-To: jlparish@montana.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted: Hive plans Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:15:27 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.40.46.79 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 917136817 207.40.46.79 (Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:13:37 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:13:37 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15642 Hello all: I am interested in getting into beekeeping and would like to build my own supplies. I was hoping that someone might have plans/blueprints/dimensions/etc. that they would be willing to share. I appreciate any and all assistance in this matter. Thank you! J.L.Parish jlparish@montana.com From amschelp@pe.net Tue Jan 26 22:13:08 EST 1999 Article: 15643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Went Bye Bye Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:56:56 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <19990122222145.00903.00001655@ng99.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c2p094.hem.pe.net X-Trace: victoria.pe.net 917117669 26723 216.100.28.194 (23 Jan 1999 18:54:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jan 1999 18:54:29 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15643 Good thought, Big Johnson; thanks. I was thinking I had left plenty of their honey in there for them, but I will be sure to keep that in mind next winter. But if they starved, wouldn't their bodies be lying all around in the hive, or do they go outside to starve? In article <19990122222145.00903.00001655@ng99.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com says... > >I know; I was thinking of how their passing might reflect badly on top > >bar hives which I have been promoting, but my back yard top > > could have starved to death. its been way too warm this winter. most everyone > has had to feed. > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively > by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. > > " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " > > From beeman@enterprise.net Tue Jan 26 22:13:09 EST 1999 Article: 15644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Adrian Kyte" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Devon Beekeepers' Association Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <9xFq2.10$GR5.23@news.enterprise.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:48:24 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.72.195.124 X-Complaints-To: news@enterprise.net X-Trace: news.enterprise.net 917185733 194.72.195.124 (Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:48:53 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:48:53 BST Organization: Enterprise PLC Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news.enterprise.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15644 A note to all members of the DBKA. I am currently putting the 1999 DBKA Yearbook together. If you want an Email address added along with your name and address send me a message, privately rather than via the user group with your name, branch and Email address. My address is adrian@beeman.enterprise-plc.com From apimo@apimo.dk Tue Jan 26 22:13:10 EST 1999 Article: 15645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can I warm the honey to ease filtering Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:16:41 +0100 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <78fa4p$37m6$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> References: <7835s6$tsg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <78dfl7$if9$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip34.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news-inn.inet.tele.dk 917187545 106182 (None) 195.249.242.34 (24-01-99 14:19:05 GMT) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15645 Jerome R. Long skrev i meddelelsen <78dfl7$if9$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... >In article <7835s6$tsg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, robin_gilham@my-dejanews.com >says... >> >Responses so be very careful not to overheat. I know that excessive heating >will darken the honey. Other than that, what is wrong with heating? Honey is food! If you heat the honey over 40 degrees Celsius You will destroy the quality of the Honey, and make it worthless for other purpose than Industrial Honey. So be carefull if you need to heat the Honey. EDBI = multilingual Beekeeping software http://www.apimo.dk http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo http://wn.com.au/apimo apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk If you >don't have large volume and no extractor, what better way is there to separate >comb and honey than a little microwaving? > > > >don > From beeman@enterprise.net Tue Jan 26 22:13:11 EST 1999 Article: 15646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news.enterprise.net!not-for-mail From: "Adrian Kyte" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990118193111.27914.00000411@ng-ba1.aol.com> Subject: Re: honey Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:58:59 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.72.195.164 X-Complaints-To: news@enterprise.net X-Trace: news.enterprise.net 917207911 194.72.195.164 (Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:58:31 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:58:31 BST Organization: Enterprise PLC Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15646 Hi, You can't prevent honey crystallising, in fact some would say that it's a sign that the honey is pure. You can restore the liquid state by gently heating the honey by placing the jar in warm water and simmering until it's clear or you could try several 30 second sessions in a microwave oven with a rest period of 2 minutes between the heatings, don't forget to remove the lid if it's metal before microwaving. Adrian PAPAWHT1 wrote in message <19990118193111.27914.00000411@ng-ba1.aol.com>... >i've seen honey crystalize in a short time.what causes this and how do i >prevent this from happening.i'am new at this and don't know anything about >robbing honey. > > > gerald tilley:e-mail address papawht1@aol.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jan 26 22:13:13 EST 1999 Article: 15647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Went Bye Bye Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Jan 1999 03:21:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990122222145.00903.00001655@ng99.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15647 >I know; I was thinking of how their passing might reflect badly on top >bar hives which I have been promoting, but my back yard top could have starved to death. its been way too warm this winter. most everyone has had to feed. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jan 26 22:13:14 EST 1999 Article: 15648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jan 1999 21:36:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36AAC3BC.4E85C2EE@valley.net> Message-ID: <19990124163647.03424.00002710@ng115.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15648 > jeepers, creepers. after reading this thread i'm wondering if it mean >that i can't call you 'johnny reb' anymore? > >bill > Don't worry bill, we didn't lose, the war ain't over yet !!! See what they don't realize is that the more of them that come south, the closer the ground comes to critical mass.At some point in the near future we all hope, its just gonna open up and suck them damn carpet baggers down . Instant fertilizer....Beautiful flowers for the bees......All them fancy cars with nobody left to drive em ( make dang good dog beds ) Yessire that'll be a fine day RED NECKed and GLAD OF IT !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From mae@indy.net Tue Jan 26 22:13:15 EST 1999 Article: 15649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.xnet.com!news2.megsinet.net!web.onecall.net!news!not-for-mail From: Mary Ann Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Important Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:20:47 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 12 Message-ID: <36AB2C3F.FEB@indy.net> References: <36A7526B.9DA9D590@hotmail.com> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip209-183-87-140.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.indy.net 917205123 20044 209.183.87.140 (24 Jan 1999 19:12:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jan 1999 19:12:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15649 > An area of controversy is that this dye is used as a natural redor pink > dye in foods and beverages (Like Ice Tea) Some people who are allergic to > insects may have a severe reaction. > > Ellen Anglin A freind of mine asked if my wife knew what Cochneal was since she had a Horticulture degree from Purdue. He was shocked to find out that he was drinking Red Grapefruit Juice with squished Bugs in it. Never bothered me but it is a fairly common all natural food dye :-)_ Tobi Elmore Mary's Husband From chucklaser@aol.com Tue Jan 26 22:13:17 EST 1999 Article: 15650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom Therapy Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jan 1999 00:26:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <78ch7v$82n$2@news1.Radix.Net> Message-ID: <19990124192616.21393.00002193@ng133.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15650 >>Has anybody tried Bee venom therapy -- With live Stings or Injections for >>treatment of Rheumatoid Arthritis or other Immune related Arthritis. Is it >>really effective, since quite a few Web sites claim its effectiveness & is >>practiced by licensed Doctors in US & other European & Asian Countries. >>Thanks >>JS I found it helps to heal injured joints in my hands. I had chronic problems, tendonitis, bruised cartilage, bursitis, etc. in my hands. After suffering for almost a year with pain and swelling that wouldn't go away, The bee stings healed it up nicely in one month. I still take the stings to keep the joints working good. I also treat others with bunions and tendonitis with excellent results. I keep 2 hives and use the honey and bee stings to treat my alergies with some success, but it is so subjective to judge that part of it. Chuck From rolphiii@hotmail.com Tue Jan 26 22:13:18 EST 1999 Article: 15651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Simon Rolfe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <182C06835S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <77iveo$693$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <782qbe$f7n$1@netnews.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: No Apistan for 3 seasons and still going strong! Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:15:45 -0000 Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.38.64.3 Message-ID: <36a61d2a.0@glitch.nildram.co.uk> X-Trace: 20 Jan 1999 18:15:06 GMT, 195.38.64.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!glitch.nildram.co.uk!195.38.64.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15651 Sounds Interesting. What is the URL for "Amrine's" webpage. Regards Chris David J Trickett wrote in message news:782qbe$f7n$1@netnews.upenn.edu... >Thanks Jim (Roland) for posting the web address. Actually, one can also >find information on this topic using a web search on "essential oils" and >"bees" > >We had some warm weather Sunday and I had a chance to check one set >of 8 hives and the one that I had indicated had expired. Official verdict >is, ambiguously, "v. mites." The actual numbers of the bees (i.e., >cluster size) was rather small, so what probably killed them was >insufficient critical mass and freezing. I'd guess the mites knocked down >their numbers over the past two months either through damage or a slowly >acting disease. The number of mites and level of parasitizing was >"medium." I.e., the bottomboard was not covered with them like they were >from dead colonies three years ago. Also, note that three years ago, >infested hives were usually dead by mid-October. This hive was in pretty >decent shape going into fall, and had no obvious signs of varroa >as late as mid-October. It was still rearing brood in early November. >The lesson for me, here, is to treat preventatively with mint oils >regardless of whether I detect any mites or not. Aaron's previous caution >about the danger of collapsing colonies' survivors spreading contagion is >quite reasonable. > >The 8 hives in the other yard (about 15 miles away) were doing very well, >and had plenty of honey. (I determined this from the activity around the >hives, warmth over the innercover hole, and weight of the hives). A quick >check of the corpses of removed bees showed no varroa mites. > >If we have another warm weekend, I'll check my other location and see how >they are doing too. > >Anglin (anglin@mi.verio.com) wrote: : Please post the address for >"Amrine's webpage" - I would like more info on : using mint oils. > >Dave T. > >: David J Trickett wrote in message <77iveo$693$1@netnews.upenn.edu>... >: >Aaron, >: > >: >Well, as long time newgroup readers may note, I've been using peppermint >: >oil for the past two summers. I am located in Southeastern PA. All the >: >details are located in Amrine's webpage, so I won't get into this. > > > >-- From logcabin@qaiusqa.com Tue Jan 26 22:13:20 EST 1999 Article: 15652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36AAC3BC.4E85C2EE@valley.net> <19990124163647.03424.00002710@ng115.aol.com> Subject: Re: Reply to question Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:24:36 -0500 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.252.148 Message-ID: <36abd95f.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.98.128.66.MISMATCH!news.winstar.net!winstar!news.good.net!news.phoenix.good.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.1.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.252.148 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15652 Kevin has brought many very positive posts to this forum and has also developed a distinct on-line persona through months of communication with other beekeepers. There are many ways to establish an on-line personality you Beth have done it in one post. NOTE: "You don't have to pay attention to aristocratic snobs if you have a BIG JOHNSON !" steve logcabin@qaiusqa.com (remove the Q's to respond...NO SPAM) ps. did i spell everything ok? From apimo@apimo.dk Tue Jan 26 22:13:21 EST 1999 Article: 15653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can I warm the honey to ease filtering Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 06:19:18 +0100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <78guvn$2br0$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> References: <7835s6$tsg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <78gml7$fjk@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip38.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news-inn.inet.tele.dk 917241655 77664 (None) 195.249.242.38 (25-01-99 05:20:55 GMT) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15653 C.R. Crowell skrev i meddelelsen <78gml7$fjk@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... > >robin_gilham@my-dejanews.com wrote >>can I warm the honey in a large pot > >I warm mine in a heavy bottom pot (lessens the likelihood of scorching >if you don't stir it enough), Please remember not to use iron pots, beouse this will act aggressive together with Honey. You can make a simpel test on this by puring a spon of honey into Tea. If it is containing Iron the Tea will change its Colour against Black. Use Stainless stell for warming purpose. I have a picture somewhere showing the effect of Honey in Tea and will try if I can dig it up and put it on my homepage. best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBI = multilingual Beekeeping software http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo http://wn.com.au/apimo http://www.apimo.dk apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jan 26 22:13:22 EST 1999 Article: 15654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-was.dfn.de!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jan 1999 21:40:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990124164047.03424.00002712@ng115.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15654 > I have 2 hives and have noticed a lot of small black ants invading them. Am >wondering how this could be treated without causing problems to my bees. The > get ya a couple of those ant motels by raid, put on above the inner cover the other on the ground where the trail hits the dirt. they'll carry it home and eat it up, worked every time for me. the bees left it alone. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From jrlong@vt.edu Tue Jan 26 22:13:23 EST 1999 Article: 15655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Coumaphas for GA, SC, and NC Date: 24 Jan 1999 21:52:17 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 38 Message-ID: <78g4mh$otb$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <19990123195424.21440.00002179@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5300-1.sl014.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 917214737 25515 128.173.37.247 (24 Jan 1999 21:52:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jan 1999 21:52:17 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15655 See the Mann Lake www site for a list of states. It includes WI and MN. In article <19990123195424.21440.00002179@ng-fw1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com says... > >In a massive change of direction, it seems that the EPA has finally decided to >do something that makes sense ! > >Apparently due to the effect of coumaphas on the African small Hive beetle, The >chemical will be released on a very limited and controlled basis in those >states where the pest has been found. > >See previous post from APIS news letter concerning FLA > >According to Inspectors with the NC DEPT OF Agriculture approval has been >issued in GA, Possibly SC and is expected within 2 weeks for North Carolina. > >Hopefully such a swift move on the part of the goverment may significantly >reduce the spread of the hive beetle. > >As far as i know this is the first word on the release that local beekeepers >have received for North Carolina. anyone else has any more info please pass it >along. > >Thank you, > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > >Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively >by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. > >" IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " > From logcabin@qaiusqa.com Tue Jan 26 22:13:24 EST 1999 Article: 15656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36A94870.FA723A4@mms.net> Subject: Re: Tax Breaks for bee-keepers Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:53:30 -0500 Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.253.139 Message-ID: <36abd1d0.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.0.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.253.139 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15656 I did here from a co-worker who said that Rush Limbaugh(sp?) was complaining on his show that beekeepers were able to get their land taxes either reduced or eliminated in a upcoming bill. Rush was supposedly crying that he could see every congressman using bees to not pay property taxes on their huge estates and the law was worthless pork. Said co-worker is the one from a prior post of mine on in this newsgroup.....not too swift. Anyone else hear this first hand? steve logcabin@qaiusqa.com (remove the Q's to respond...NO SPAM) From countrymeadow@ibm.net Tue Jan 26 22:13:25 EST 1999 Article: 15657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <36ABC999.33AD@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:32:09 -0600 From: countrymeadow@ibm.net Reply-To: countrymeadow@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Coumaphas for GA, SC, and NC References: <19990123195424.21440.00002179@ng-fw1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.217.206 X-Trace: 25 Jan 1999 00:24:32 GMT, 32.100.217.206 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 12 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!32.100.217.206 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15657 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > According to Inspectors with the NC DEPT OF Agriculture approval has been > issued in GA, Possibly SC and is expected within 2 weeks for North Carolina. > Coumaphas has been approved in SC. I do not have all the details but received general product use information at the beekeeping meeting. A letter was sent out last week to the beekeeping clubs in the state. I am in the northwest edge of the state and we presently do not have a beetle issue in this area. From anglin@mi.verio.com Tue Jan 26 22:13:26 EST 1999 Article: 15658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.ultranet.com!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!-program!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news12.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36A7526B.9DA9D590@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Important Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.125 X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 917087503 209.69.69.125 (Sat, 23 Jan 1999 05:31:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 05:31:43 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 05:33:59 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15658 I don't read french but... Cochneal (American Spelling) is a scale insect that lives on some types of cactus in the american southwest, and in other areas. The unique thing about this insect is that the female insects are gathered because they contain a red dye used for cloth and food. (The red dye used in the "Redcoats" of the american revolution used cochneal.) This insect is fairly common, (My uncle had some on the cactus in front of his arizona home.) but you have to gather a lot of them to dye anything. An area of controversy is that this dye is used as a natural red or pink dye in foods and beverages (Like Ice Tea) Some people who are allergic to insects may have a severe reaction. Ellen Anglin jeff <@agora.ulaval.ca> wrote in message <36A7526B.9DA9D590@hotmail.com>... >Hi everybody, > >I'm looking for information about an insect "cryptococcus fagi" or >(cochenille du hκtre). >Would you help me please! > >Thank you, > From ntbandit@globec.com.au Tue Jan 26 22:13:27 EST 1999 Article: 15659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.152.2.200.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!remarQ60!supernews.com!uunet!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!grissom.powerup.com.au!galaxy.globec.com.au!203.147.240.14 From: ntbandit@globec.com.au Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: a link to aussie native bees Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:03:30 GMT Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 13 Message-ID: <36ac4f45.57211355@news.globec.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.powerup.com.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 917262402 22895 203.32.8.130 (25 Jan 1999 11:06:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jan 1999 11:06:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15659 g'day all, found a link for aussie native bees might be of interest to some - - happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' alt' em address #1 alt' em address #2 "old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" From ntbandit@globec.com.au Tue Jan 26 22:13:28 EST 1999 Article: 15660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.abs.net!cyclone.i1.net!uunet!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!grissom.powerup.com.au!galaxy.globec.com.au!203.147.240.14 From: ntbandit@globec.com.au Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sorry: was australian native bees Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:05:55 GMT Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 15 Message-ID: <36ac4fe1.57368059@news.globec.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.powerup.com.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 917262404 22895 203.32.8.130 (25 Jan 1999 11:06:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jan 1999 11:06:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15660 g'day, forgot the link - - happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' alt' em address #1 alt' em address #2 "old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" From thegibsons@worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 26 22:13:29 EST 1999 Article: 15661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "C. Gibson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Frames Question... Date: 25 Jan 1999 13:04:40 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <36AC6DD9.7ABFC7EA@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.70.19.54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15661 I've been reading my new guy books and have read that different frames work best with different foundations. My question to the group is how about some experienced words on combinations of frame styles and foundations for say hives and then supers. What about the combination for cut comb, wedge top, grooved bb, etc.? Thanks From htho@se.bel.alcatel.be Tue Jan 26 22:13:30 EST 1999 Article: 15662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!usenet From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive beetles Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:14:52 +0100 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 11 Message-ID: <36ACA68C.E45E9761@se.bel.alcatel.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: btmw10.se.bel.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15662 hello, I am looking for pointers to Hive Beetle. Hugo (the-half-a-bee) -- Hugo Thone (VE144) | email htho@se.bel.alcatel.be | do bee do bee do ALCATEL TELECOM | phone (32) 3 240 94 52 | (\ F.Wellesplein 1 | fax (32) 3 240 99 49 | {|||8- B-2018 Antwerp | | (/ From htho@se.bel.alcatel.be Tue Jan 26 22:13:32 EST 1999 Article: 15663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!usenet From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: searching for articles Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:48:41 +0100 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 28 Message-ID: <36AC2FE9.37884275@se.bel.alcatel.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: btmw10.se.bel.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15663 Hello, A friend of mine is looking for the following papers : 1. "Strictly for the hobbyist : American foulbrood and its control" Author : Delaplane.-K.S. Am-bee-j. Hamilton,IL.:American Bee Journal. June 1998. v.138(6) p.431-433 2. "Laboratory and field studies on the effects of the antibiotic tylosin on honey bee Apis mellifera L. (Hymenoptera:Apidae) development and prevention of American foulbrood disease. Author : Peng,-C.Y.S.;Mussen,-E;Fong,-A.;Cheng,-P;Wong,-G;Montague,-M.A. There must be a good soul on this list who is willing to help me. (If possible send me an electronic copy) TIA Hugo (the half-a-bee) -- Hugo Thone (VE144) | email htho@se.bel.alcatel.be | do bee do bee do ALCATEL TELECOM | phone (32) 3 240 94 52 | (\ F.Wellesplein 1 | fax (32) 3 240 99 49 | {|||8- B-2018 Antwerp | | (/ From adamf@vt.edu Tue Jan 26 22:13:35 EST 1999 Article: 15664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.ultranet.com!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: coumaphas mite control Date: 23 Jan 1999 04:57:30 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <78bkrq$at3$1@golux.radix.net> References: <36A7B2AE.DDB28F3F@kusd.edu> <36A85F85.3207@juno.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port1.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15664 Thank you for posting the previous article with the _Apis_ Magazine excerpt on Coumaphas. Organophosphates are very very potent. Head up! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From Curtiscrow@worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 26 22:13:36 EST 1999 Article: 15665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can I warm the honey to ease filtering Date: 25 Jan 1999 02:58:47 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <78gml7$fjk@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <7835s6$tsg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.78.172.244 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15665 robin_gilham@my-dejanews.com wrote >can I warm the honey in a large pot I warm mine in a heavy bottom pot (lessens the likelihood of scorching if you don't stir it enough), using a candy thermometer to stay below 110 degrees F. Use a wooden spoon and stir, it takes but a few minutes, then filters fairly quickly. For small time beekeepers like me with limited storage facilities, I have to get my stuff bottled quickly so I can turn the equpment around and get ready for the next batch. /C. Crowell From wooten@netdoor.com Tue Jan 26 22:13:36 EST 1999 Article: 15666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Andy Wooten" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Ants Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <1ORq2.10$gU1.55@axe.netdoor.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:48:25 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.148.210.64 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 917235965 208.148.210.64 (Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:46:05 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:46:05 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15666 Andy Wooten wrote in message ... > I have 2 hives and have noticed a lot of small black ants invading them. Am >wondering how this could be treated without causing problems to my bees. The >hives are on a metal platform sitting on 2 concrete blocks 8 in off of the >ground. > > Thanks to all who gave me good advice. When I move the hives to the farm will put legs on platform before bringing back next winter. For now plan to try the ant motel. Will let everyone know how this works. It is unseasonably hot in Mississippi for this time of the year and the girls are already hard at work. Hope they wait on brood as don't believe winter is over and didn't want to feed yet am watching closely to be sure the hives aren't getting too light. From lili_krezel@stortek.com Thu Jan 28 21:27:36 EST 1999 Article: 15667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!nntp.ntr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!199.117.161.1!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!news.stortek.com!not-for-mail From: Lili Krezel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Flooded Hive Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:12:40 -0500 Organization: Storage Technology Corporation Lines: 29 Message-ID: <36ACDE48.2A1E@stortek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: guido.stortek.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15667 Here in the Great Lakes area we just had a few warm days and rain after the infamous New Years' snow storm. You guessed it. Lots of water around. Saturday afternoon there was about 1" deep puddle around the blocks on which my hive sits, but the hive was high and dry. Most of the snow was already gone, and rain had ceased. Sunday afternoon, I found the water 2" over the bottom board!!! That's 10" of water in the meadow. Yikes! Turns out the old hand-dug well in the corner of the field was apparently filling >from below ground and overflowing. (First time in 20 yrs, so I didn't expect it.) I moved the hive about thirty feet away to new blocks on higher ground. And was grateful that the girls do such a good job sticking the supers together, which I complained about to this group last month. But it enabled me to move the hive as a unit. The bees were all in the top super. What else should I do? I left the entrance reducer out to facilitate air flow. Should I change the bottom board? Will the bees be able to fan out the residual moisture? What signs of fungus or mold should I look for? Air temps expected to be around freezeng for at least 2 more days, then a warmup to the low 40s. Lili From mae@indy.net Thu Jan 28 21:27:38 EST 1999 Article: 15668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!remarQ73!supernews.com!news.winstar.net!winstar!news.good.net!news.phoenix.good.net!news2.megsinet.net!web.onecall.net!news!not-for-mail From: Mary Ann Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: russian queen bees Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:43:48 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 4 Message-ID: <36AC9F44.DED@indy.net> References: <36AC92A0.25AEDB4A@se.bel.alcatel.be> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip209-183-89-141.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.indy.net 917300102 18867 209.183.89.141 (25 Jan 1999 21:35:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jan 1999 21:35:02 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15668 I remember something about them but have not seen them advertised yet. The Russians are coming! :-) Mary From phempel@blossomland.com Thu Jan 28 21:27:39 EST 1999 Article: 15669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flooded Hive Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:39:48 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 51 Message-ID: <78irs9$dif$1@usenet49.supernews.com> References: <36ACDE48.2A1E@stortek.com> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 917304009 OWV4KGLQPD ABD1AC usenet49.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15669 Lili You have done well so far. Change the bottom board and if the lower boxes are empty you should remove them also. The moisture removal this time of year here in Michigan (we are in the SW corner of Michigan with over 5 feet of snow that week!) is almost nothing. So any moisture that is in the colony will stay unless you set the colony with a front tilt of about 4-5% so any water (condensation etc.) will run out. If the cluster is at the top of the boxes you will need to put a super of honey on the top of them or try to feed the bees some dry sugar around the inner cover. Good luck Philip Hempel www.blossomland.com beeyard@blossomland.com Lili Krezel wrote in message <36ACDE48.2A1E@stortek.com>... >Here in the Great Lakes area we just had a few warm days and rain after >the infamous New Years' snow storm. You guessed it. Lots of water >around. > >Saturday afternoon there was about 1" deep puddle around the blocks >on which my hive sits, but the hive was high and dry. Most of the snow >was >already gone, and rain had ceased. Sunday afternoon, I found the water >2" >over the bottom board!!! That's 10" of water in the meadow. Yikes! Turns >out >the old hand-dug well in the corner of the field was apparently filling >from below ground and overflowing. (First time in 20 yrs, so I didn't >expect it.) > >I moved the hive about thirty feet away to new blocks on higher ground. >And was grateful that the girls do such a good job sticking the supers >together, which I complained about to this group last month. But it >enabled me to move the hive as a unit. The bees were all in the top >super. > >What else should I do? I left the entrance reducer out to facilitate >air flow. Should I change the bottom board? Will the bees be able to fan >out the residual moisture? What signs of fungus or mold should I look >for? >Air temps expected to be around freezeng for at least 2 more days, then >a warmup to the low 40s. > >Lili From valkyrie@valkyrie.co.nz Thu Jan 28 21:27:40 EST 1999 Article: 15670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Adrian T Stacey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:49:48 +1300 Organization: Valkyrie Systems Ltd Lines: 22 Message-ID: <36AD112B.DB316044@valkyrie.co.nz> References: <19990122065319.05420.00000813@ng-fu1.aol.com> <78iv6m$7j9$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.chc.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; U) Cache-Post-Path: newsch.es.co.nz!unknown@p60-max5.chc.ihug.co.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!news.netgate.net.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15670 The only breach of netiquette I saw was in the first attack on Mr Johnson's writing style. I find his style quite refreshing and as an english speaker born in England can only express gratitude that the language remains rich and is still evolving. Why is it that the non-English speakers of the language are always the first to critisize its use? Had we fixed the langage in the past, many of our puritan American cousins would be feeling awfully upset at the way we spelled "suck". Now while you wait for your bees to fly, I'll go tend my hives, nectar is just pouring in :) David J Trickett wrote: > I suspect this may all have been an oversight or just an attempt at humor > while we all wait for the bees to resume flying. Still, I think a > sincere, simple apology for this breach of netiquette may be called for. > Moreover, (IMHO) the heritage you are so rightfully proud of demands it. From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Jan 28 21:27:41 EST 1999 Article: 15671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jan 1999 01:15:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990125183114.05368.00002419@ng145.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990125201529.02936.00002962@ng116.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15671 >Gee, no one suggested the "six-pack/shotgun/lounge chair" technique of ant >control - also works for slug, mice, yellowjackets, skunks, and more... > acually i used that once, with a home made flame thrower, got rid a them ants rite off......too bad bout the hive body though....think i mighta used 1 to many six packs Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From anglin@mi.verio.com Thu Jan 28 21:27:43 EST 1999 Article: 15672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!seas.smu.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!newshost.cyberramp.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news12.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <789vrc$t8s$1@mango.singnet.com.sg> <19990122091131.27976.00001009@ng93.aol.com> Subject: Re: Re:Bee Venom Therapy Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.139 X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 917086193 209.69.69.139 (Sat, 23 Jan 1999 05:09:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 05:09:53 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 05:11:35 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15672 This is not Apitherapy per-se, but my own experience. I was suffering from some type of arthritis when I began keeping bees- My doctor was still in the process of diagnosing what type it was when my package bees took off, I started to get stung regularly, and my arthritis went into remission. My doctor figured that I had a type of arthritis associated with a bacterial or viral infection, and my body finally got itself straightened out. (Immune system related.) I'm not so sure. I still get achy hands when I haven's been stung for a month or two, and when I do get a chance to work the bees again, and get a sting or two, the pain goes away.... Before my bees took off I had severe pain in my hands, arms, hips legs and feet- walking was becoming difficult, and getting in and out of the car was very painful. I couldn't sew or do bead work at all because I didn't have the fine motor control or strength in my hands. (A big problem since textiles is my livelihood.) I depend on the occasional sting that I receive while working my hives- I just don't have the heart to kill a worker who is minding her own business. If they "volunteer" then I am grateful. Thank god for the bees! By the by, I am 32 years old, and my problems started about 4 years ago. Ellen Angln Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990122091131.27976.00001009@ng93.aol.com>... >>Has anybody tried Bee venom therapy -- With live Stings or Injections for >>treatment of Rheumatoid Arthritis or other Immune related Arthritis. Is it >>real From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Thu Jan 28 21:27:45 EST 1999 Article: 15673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: russian queen bees Date: Tue, 26 Jan 99 08:22:46 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <182D275D9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <36AC92A0.25AEDB4A@se.bel.alcatel.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!falcon.america.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!-program!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15673 In article <36AC92A0.25AEDB4A@se.bel.alcatel.be> Hugo Thone writes: > > ... varroa tolerant Russian Queen bees ... > breeding program in the > US ... address (for) more information ... or where I can order such > queens (either in the US or in Russia) ? > I can't give my sources for this (as in I don't remember where I picked this up) but I believe the breeding program has progressed to the point that the varroa TOLERANT bees have been released to commercial breeders >from the labs in Baton Rouge after the rigors of extensive quarantine. These queens may be available next year. DISCLAIMER: I cannot verify that this information is absolutely correct. I believe it is but I readily admit the possibility that it flawed. Aaron Morris - I think therefore I bee! Aaron Morris Assistant Operations Director University at Albany Albany, New York 12222 From pcam@webtv.net Thu Jan 28 21:27:46 EST 1999 Article: 15674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pcam@webtv.net (pcam pxd) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...... Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:14:22 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <13207-36AE302E-37@newsd-153.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQa29WAynsUOPNv1xlzJj6rPdTYfQIVAKPyv2vO8lJm9gasa04+I9BpCi2O Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15674 What a Bees got to do to keep busy..... Phineas to you too. From lithar@midwest.net Thu Jan 28 21:27:47 EST 1999 Article: 15675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!falcon.america.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:32:20 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 9 Message-ID: <36AE7AB4.5045@midwest.net> References: <36AE075E.3CC3729D@nospam.boeing.com> <19990126183443.19996.00003338@ng-ft1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 917404459 .ZFUVYH4M1C24D0EBC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15675 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > ...and a nice comb a fried brood, yer eatin' fried brood when ya got crawdaddies??? AL From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Jan 28 21:27:49 EST 1999 Article: 15676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jan 1999 23:34:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36AE075E.3CC3729D@nospam.boeing.com> Message-ID: <19990126183443.19996.00003338@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15676 >OK. Since no one else is going to I guess I'll have to break down and ask the >most obvious question: > > > Just how big is ole "Mr. Johnson" anyway?! At last count, mind ya this being after a meal of 2 rabbits, half a udder a milk, some honey and a nice comb a fried brood, Big Johnson broke the scale springs as tha needle past 350. You must understand that i'm not quite up ta par as i've been in training ta swim Neills Creek...a Truely turbid body of water known for it's monsterous minnows and 2 inch long crawfish.The event is hoped to become a yearly fund raiser to help gather funds to support wayward yankees in their efforts to return home . So far we have a pledge of 50 cents if i just show up in nothing but short pants, and a whopping bet of 5.00 if i actually make it the whole 6 feet from this side of the creek to the next !! ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From niknakmike@aol.com Thu Jan 28 21:27:50 EST 1999 Article: 15677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: niknakmike@aol.com (NikNakMike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flooded Hive Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jan 1999 06:38:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <78irs9$dif$1@usenet49.supernews.com> Message-ID: <19990127013830.09501.00003571@ng134.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15677 This sounds so much like my experience with a yard that I kept near a river. The water rose to one inch over the bottom board. With that I jacked up the hives 2 feet. Well the warning wasn't taken seriously enough. The next time the water rose it took the whole yard down-stream killing every last bee. I was sorry that I hadn't moved them. I learned a lesson there.....no bees by areas that can flood in the strange weather that we have these days. Mikey Bees From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Jan 28 21:27:52 EST 1999 Article: 15678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jan 1999 22:55:04 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <78l8ua$ba5$1@spock.tinet.ie> Message-ID: <19990126175504.12707.00002973@ng100.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15678 >but I'm serious when I say that this ng wouldn't be half as >good without Hk1BeeMan. >Now could someone tell me - what is a woodchuck, and what would I use a >BeeVac for Gee thanks ya'll !!! a wood chuck is quite a cute lil varmit, not quite as tasty as musk rat but purty close ta squirrell. now as fer a bee vac, heres the long and short of it. sometimes honey bees find a place that they want to call home that happens to already be populated by people. local beekeepers are usually called when the exterminator has made a mess the year before and the folks have realized that they should have called a beeman fierst anyways. getting to the bees is fairly simple, you just cut open the outside wall or an inside wall whichever is better in that case... without a vac you'd be fighting thousands of bees as you cut away the comb and tried to brush the bees into net, boxes etc. with the vac you simply gently vac the bees in to a cage fr4om the still hanging comb, then work slowly and easily finishing the job. i usually get 75.00 - 130.00 US per removal job as you can see the vac pays for itself almost immediately. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From mlomas@tinet.ie Thu Jan 28 21:27:53 EST 1999 Article: 15679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Mark Lomas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:55:13 -0000 Organization: Natural Technology Systems Lines: 20 Message-ID: <78l8ua$ba5$1@spock.tinet.ie> References: <19990122065319.05420.00000813@ng-fu1.aol.com> <19990122092441.03802.00001021@ng96.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p162.limerick1.tinet.ie X-Trace: spock.tinet.ie 917382922 11589 159.134.249.162 (26 Jan 1999 20:35:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jan 1999 20:35:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.71.180.34!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15679 As an Englishman, one has to say that one has been reading Hk1BeeMan's postings for quite some time and find his use of our language thoroughly charming. Seriously though, I think it would be a sad world if we were all the same, and Mr.Johnson spends a lot of time helping others, which is appreciated over here on the other side of the Atlantic. The quality of the information, and the spirit in which it is given, are more important than grammatical precision. (I've seen 'Deliverance' and I know whose side I'm on ! (Say 'hi y'all to your wife and sister from me - how is she ?) (I hope it's not true about you Americans not having a sense of irony). Back to the point, though, I know everyone concerned would rather let this subject die, but I'm serious when I say that this ng wouldn't be half as good without Hk1BeeMan. Now could someone tell me - what is a woodchuck, and what would I use a BeeVac for ? From snewport@pavilion.co.uk Thu Jan 28 21:27:54 EST 1999 Article: 15680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news.netkonect.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Pictures regarding apotherapy wanted. Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:21:30 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 4 Message-ID: <36af7110.5103609@news.pavilion.net> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna2-26.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 917472127 732 194.242.139.90 (27 Jan 1999 21:22:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jan 1999 21:22:07 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15680 Does anybody have any pictures relevant to apitherapy that I could download and use for a talk ? Anything considered. From tpl@wave.co.nz Thu Jan 28 21:27:56 EST 1999 Article: 15681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!203.97.37.7!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Genetic Engineering:- Pollen?.. Evil Profit Motives! Date: 27 Jan 1999 23:07:56 GMT Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 149 Message-ID: <01be4a48$e2400620$e5c160cb@leo> NNTP-Posting-Host: a37.hn3.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 917478476 9753 203.96.193.229 (27 Jan 1999 23:07:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jan 1999 23:07:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15681 Greetings The madness needs to be stopped! Every good thing Mother Nature has presented for us is under threat..by mad Frakenstein mentality scientists.. all for profit and massively inflated egos.. I keep bees and they produce beautiful honey... Here in New Zealand we are in the middle of our honey flow..It is really concerning me that if the terminator seed is introduced to the degree that Monsanto et al envisage.... how will that affect pollen production.... ie if the seeds are designed NOT to produce offspring in the plant.... then it is likely the plants wont produce pollen either.... this raises BIG questions for me..?? Be well, Carman GENETIC ENGINEERING: WHY TAMPERING WITH MOTHER NATURE IS A RISKY BUSINESS http://www.gardeners.com/actionupdates.html It starts with a tiny seed and it ends with an imperiled global ecosystem. Recent developments in bioengineering have given corporate giants the ability to control world food supplies and disturb the genetic fabric of all life on earth. Gardener's Supply, an environmental leader in the home gardening industry, is launching a public awareness campaign to help mobilize opposition to these some of these potentially devastating developments. The first bioengineering issue being addressed by Gardener's Supply is a process dubbed the "terminator technology." It is a recently patented bioengineering technique that alters a plant's DNA so the seeds it produces will be sterile. This patented process was developed to give seed companies control over the seed they sell. By preventing farmers and gardeners from saving seeds to start next year's crops, there is no alternative but to purchase new seed each year. "The terminator technology has the potential to devastate world food supplies, says Will Raap, Founder and President of Gardener's Supply, "and it could bankrupt poorer countries whose farmers would be forced to purchase new seed every year." Beyond the economic implications of this technology, tampering with the fundamental biological processes of natural selection, is a risky business. "Gardeners understand that there's no fooling Mother Nature," says Raap, "and there's bound to be a ripple effect that we can't foresee. Once these new genes have been introduced into the wild, there is no way to recall them. We are recommending a federal ban on the licensing and release of these genetically-modified seeds until the full impact and are understood by all." Corporate involvement in the production and marketing of seeds is a recent development. It began in earnest with the introduction of patented seed varieties during the 1980's. Seed suppliers are heavily marketing these seed varieties, and have begun vigorously enforcing patent laws to ensure farmers do not save the patented seeds from their own harvests. Throughout the country, criminal charges are being levied, with fellow farmers, seed suppliers, and even Pinkerton investigators being enlisted by seed suppliers to police the situation and protect thir financial interests. But policing the farm fields of America is a challenging and costly endeavor. Enter the "terminator" gene. In 1998, the Delta and Pine Land Company and the US Department of Agriculture announced that they had received a patent for a process to genetically engineer plants so they will produce non-viable seeds. Dubbed the terminator technology, this development means that all seeds, including those of the world's most critical food crops — rice and wheat — staple crops for three-quarters of the world's poor, potentially enter the realm of private monopoly. Historically, seed companies have shown little interest in the business of selling non-hybridized seeds such as wheat and rice. Most farmers have simply saved their harvested seed from one year and planted it the following year. In developing countries around the world, up to 1.4 billion resource-poor farmers depend on farm-saved seed and on seeds exchanged with neighbors as their primary seed source. This is a tradition that has gone on for the past twelve thousand years. With the development of these gene-altering technologies, farmers in all parts of the world now represent a huge potential market for corporate seed suppliers. After securing patent protection for the terminator technology here in the US, Monsanto, which is in the process of purchasing the Delta and Pine Land Company, is aggressively pursuing patent protection in 78 countries, including Madagascar, Mali, Brazil, Benin, China, and Vietnam. Planting genetically-altered seeds, which produce plants that yield sterile seed, will force farmers to purchase new seed each year. Beyond the economic hardships this will present, is the resulting loss of locally-adapted plant varieties — critical to global food security and agricultural bio-diversity. What about the potential for this terminator trait to "infect" unintended food crops and wild plants? There is no doubt that pollen from genetically-altered plants will be transferred to neighboring plants. What happens then is unknown. In the field, genetically-altered mustard plants, bred to produce prodigious quantities of seed, have already "jumped the fence", producing second generation plants in the wild, with completely unexpected traits. The rush to tamper with the genetic makeup of plants goes even further. In the UK, the Zeneca corporation has developed a modified termininator technology, dubbed the "verminator." This process also renders plants incapable of producing viable seeds, but does so by introducing a rat gene into the plant. Cross-phylum gene splicing is an entirely new and alarming level of bio-engineering with unknown implications. Yet these genetically engineered seeds, just like the terminator seeds, are being rushed to market with little government oversight or public input. "The pace at which genetically modified organisms are being introduced is alarming," says Raap. "Most people are completely unaware that genetically-engineered food is already being served in schools, restaurants, and homes throughout America." Monsanto is a lead player in this story. Their involvement goes back to the introduction of rBST (recombinant bovine growth hormone) into our country's dairy industry. Controversy surrounding FDA approval and its impact on human health rage on. After a flurry of acquisitions and mergers during 1998, Monsanto established itself as one of the largest seed companies in the world. This rapid growth seems driven by a quest to control the global seed market by selling proprietary, genetically-engineered seeds. Since 1996, Monsanto has spent over $8 billion dollars acquiring seed and agricultural biotechnology companies. It now controls 85% of the US cotton seed market, and 33% of the soybean market. It is also the dominant player in the US corn seed market, after recently acquiring both Decalb and Holden Seeds. With the acquisition of Cargill's international seed division, Monsanto is distributing seeds in 51 countries around the world. In 1998, over 65 million acres of genetically engineered crops were planted worldwide (an area almost the size of Colorado), and a majority of that was planted with crops that genetically engineered by Monsanto. "It's time for home gardeners and farmers to speak up," Raap believes. "Last year we ran a column in our catalog about our concerns with the proposed USDA Organic Standards Act. Our customers responded to the call for public comment and the USDA heard from over 200,000 individuals. Public response ultimately sent the entire program back to the drawing board. We can make a difference, and we urge you to learn more about these developments and make your concerns known." Let your Congressional representatives know what you think. You can also email your concerns directly to Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman and your own congressional representatives, via the Rural Advancement Foundation International (RAFI) web site (http://www.rafi.org). Relevant articles and additional information are available at the following web sites: Rural Advancement Foundation International (RAFI) www.rafi.org The Union of Concerned Scientists www.ucsusa.org Greenpeace www.greenpeace.org Mothers and Others www.igc.apc.org/mothers A SEED Europe www.antenna.nl/aseed/monsanto ------------------- From orangerose@aol.comeee Thu Jan 28 21:27:58 EST 1999 Article: 15682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.comeee (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Green bees?! Help! Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jan 1999 08:10:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36AFFDE4.C5164B27@webzone.net> Message-ID: <19990128031040.21004.00000308@ng94.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15682 >Sounds like the carpenter bee. Is the area it inhabits woody? You said it >burrows in the sand?? Does it have Yellow stripes too?? It could also be a >solitary hornet. Do you have any more information? > Well, the area where it appears is unvegetated and south facing, so it is rather warm and dry in the summer--on sunny days that is (we get plenty of fog in the summer). I don't remember it having yellow stripes, just the greenish blue and black. It looks like what I think of as a hornet, and it definitely is solitary, so maybe that's a start. It's just very shy and nonagressive and not at all what I'd think of as a hornet. It digs distict holes in the sand (I have seen it digging these) in sunny, open areas, far from wood or even tree roots. Really, there's not much growing there except a few, very scattered weeds. They mostly start to appear in the late summer--July or August--when the wooly thyme starts to bloom. At least, that's when I notice them. They are quite beautiful and fascinating as they dig these little holes in the sand... Kelly remove eee to reply From abchome@webzone.net Thu Jan 28 21:27:59 EST 1999 Article: 15683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.idt.net!WCG!WCG-Reader.POSTED!wznews.webzone.net!208.152.103.116 Message-ID: <36AFFDE4.C5164B27@webzone.net> From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Green bees?! Help! References: <19990127185302.24262.00000055@ng147.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 6 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:04:21 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.23.10 X-Trace: WCG-Reader 917503511 205.219.23.10 (Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:05:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:05:11 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15683 Sounds like the carpenter bee. Is the area it inhabits woody? You said it burrows in the sand?? Does it have Yellow stripes too?? It could also be a solitary hornet. Do you have any more information? From beetim@budget.net Thu Jan 28 21:28:00 EST 1999 Article: 15684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!ultraneo.neosoft.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.100.164.226!news.presys.com!news.chatlink.com!not-for-mail From: beetim@budget.net (tim ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can I warm the honey to ease filtering Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:41:13 GMT Organization: none Lines: 20 Message-ID: <36b492e2.12751715@news.budget.net> References: <7835s6$tsg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <78dfl7$if9$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <78fa4p$37m6$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: gp-180.budget.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15684 On Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:16:41 +0100, "Jorn Johanesson" wrote: > >Jerome R. Long skrev i meddelelsen <78dfl7$if9$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... >Honey is food! If you heat the honey over 40 degrees Celsius You will >destroy the quality of the Honey, and make it worthless for other purpose >than Industrial Honey. So be carefull if you need to heat the Honey. Are you saying all honey will decrystalize at 40 deg. C and that all otherwise decrystalized honey is only for the industrial bakeries? Where do you get the 40 deg. C figure and what is being destroyed at say 50-55 deg C for a couple of days which is the way i decrystalize buckets. For straining "no heat" works on hot days but otherwise a few minutes (20?)in a sink of hot tap water(about 50deg.C)(water temp cools quick) is a method i have used. tim From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Thu Jan 28 21:28:01 EST 1999 Article: 15685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Diatomaceous earth Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 07:50:26 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <182D46E45S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <78m9c2$qg6$1@golux.radix.net> <19990127111942.21973.00003547@ng150.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!falcon.america.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!-program!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15685 In article <19990127111942.21973.00003547@ng150.aol.com> pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) writes: > >It's actually used in honey processing, by the big guys. They add it to the >honey to make the pollen clump, then filter through ultrafine filters, under >high heat and pressure. > Hi Dave! Is this how it works? I thought honey was filtered through d.e. (same mechanism as swimming pool filters). I have never seen honey filtered, but I never imagined d.e. being added as you described. You sure? Thanks, Aaron From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Jan 31 06:47:35 EST 1999 Article: 15686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Green bees?! Help! Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jan 1999 22:26:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <182D47D22S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Message-ID: <19990128172626.01113.00000160@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15686 >nto punky wood. hey aaron, is that the wood with the ear rings in its branches ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From trivium@muscanet.com Sun Jan 31 06:47:36 EST 1999 Article: 15687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Bluedorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carniolan bee types? Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:05:23 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 4 Message-ID: <36B0ED33.63BE91B5@muscanet.com> Reply-To: trivium@muscanet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.164.40.170 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 917564796 8JUHHDRUM28AAD0A4C usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.corridex.com!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15687 Does anyone know the difference between "New World Carniolans" and "ARS-Y-C-1 Carniolan Hybrids"? Where can I find mail-order package bee suppliers for either type? Nathaniel From whummer@ciai.net Sun Jan 31 06:47:37 EST 1999 Article: 15688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: russian queen bees From: whummer@ciai.net (William S. Hummer) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <36AC92A0.25AEDB4A@se.bel.alcatel.be> <182D275D9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 37 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:51:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.136.8.33 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 917625101 209.136.8.33 (Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:51:41 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:51:41 CDT Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15688 I am a beekeeper in Northwest Louisiana. The Russian stock is now in a field trail with commercial beekeeper in Mississippi, Louisiana, and somewhere in the Midwest. This part of the experiment is to determine whether or not the bees are comparable to the honey bees being raised now. They are trying to determine if they produce as much honey as their sisters. In South Louisiana the beekeeper is testing them against the Carniolan bee stock. After this test is completed and the results meet the expectation of the lab they will then be release to queen breeders to raise queen bees for the general public. So at this time it looks like the Russian stock should be release to the general public in about one to two years. In article <182D275D9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu says... > >In article <36AC92A0.25AEDB4A@se.bel.alcatel.be> >Hugo Thone writes: > >> >> ... varroa tolerant Russian Queen bees ... > breeding program in the >> US ... address (for) more information ... or where I can order such >> queens (either in the US or in Russia) ? >> >I can't give my sources for this (as in I don't remember where I picked >this up) but I believe the breeding program has progressed to the point >that the varroa TOLERANT bees have been released to commercial breeders >from the labs in Baton Rouge after the rigors of extensive quarantine. >These queens may be available next year. > >DISCLAIMER: I cannot verify that this information is absolutely >correct. I believe it is but I readily admit the possibility that it >flawed. > >Aaron Morris - I think therefore I bee! >Aaron Morris >Assistant Operations Director >University at Albany >Albany, New York 12222 From e-jeve@spiritone.com Sun Jan 31 06:47:37 EST 1999 Article: 15689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!pln-e!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "gene/janice" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:34:27 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <78u29e$bua@enews2.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ridge.spiritone.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15689 Last fall there was much discussion about getting "cheaper" apistan strips via China. If I recall someone ordered a few. I don't recall who but someone offered to go to China to check the deal ha! ha! Been there-don't need that again for awhile. Anyway, does anyone have an update? Thanks in advance, Gene From mcgarryt@westelcom.com Sun Jan 31 06:47:38 EST 1999 Article: 15690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news2.best.com!news1.best.com!kiowa.exodus.net!209.185.64.21.MISMATCH!c01news01.service.talkway.com!c01read10.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "mcgarryt" Subject: Re: Carniolan bee types? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36B0ED33.63BE91B5@muscanet.com> <36B0E923.F80CC862@alltel.net> Lines: 8 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:15:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.185.64.205 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:15:51 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15690 I to have askes this question. It weems as though the general response is that the NWC Carnies are more productive than the ARS-Y-C-1. I plan to have both at some point to give each a fair trial. -- Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email -- always at Talkway. http://www.talkway.com From peter.springall@zbee.com Sun Jan 31 06:47:39 EST 1999 Article: 15691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: peter.springall@zbee.com (Peter Springall) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re: Buckfast Bees Message-ID: <917297750@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:27:08 GMT Lines: 20 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/119 5631717e PID: FDAPX/w+ 1.13 EH00025 Greetings to R.Adams, You ask how you can keep the Buckfast strain going. The short answer is that you can't. The Buckfast's are a result of controlled mating by known strains which we do not have access to. I suppose the Italians you mention are yellow which are reasonable until they start crossing with local or imported strains and can then be a disaster from the breeding point of view and will ruin any strain they get near. Personally I would make it a punishable offence to import them. It is these imports that have set my breeding program back for all these years. NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Trace: 25 Jan 1999 21:20:13 GMT, 194.112.43.78 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!zbee.com!anonymous!peter.springall Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15691 In 1963 after trying to raise docile queens for 26 years I joined the predessor of BiBBA and turned to the Northern European Dark Bee. I am still not there but at least I don't need a veil and I can entertain large groups of visitors who stand within a few feet of the hives. You seem to set some store on the honey producing properties of a colony but in my view it is far better for the beekeeper and his neighbour to have ten hives of pussy cats each producing 100lbs than five hives of tigers each producing 200lbs. Whichever way you go I wish you every success and trust it wont take you the fifty years to reach your goal that it has taken me. Best wishes Pete Springall, Catford LONDON. --- * Origin: peter.springall@zbee.com Bromley Branch (240:244/119) From silversail@aol.com Sun Jan 31 06:47:39 EST 1999 Article: 15692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: silversail@aol.com (Silversail) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving a Hive in Mid-winter a moderate distance in one step? Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jan 1999 00:34:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <77dki9$f92$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <19990125193410.28140.00002269@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15692 >Right now, my bees have not had a chance to get out and fly for >almost a month. If, at this point I moved the entire system intact a distance > >of about forty feet, what would happen? I would think that bees emerging from >the relocated hive would behave similarly to bees who have been moved the >requisite two miles. I would like to do this. Can I do it or would I have a >disaster? > > > > A general rule we use down here in southeast texas is the three day rule. If you have a three day cold spell in which the temperature does not rise high enough for the bees to fly AT ALL you can do just about anything you want with it. I'm a commercial beekeep and we have on several occassions moved hives in mid winter. I have also made splits and left them in the yard during a week with temps of no more than 30 degrees without a single problem. In fact they were some of the best splits I ever made. Once a bee has been cooped up that long it seems that they forget exactly where they are and will notice that somrthing has changed. Then they will resort to Orientation flights to realign their bearings. And wallaaa new home location. Hope that helps. Robert Williamson "The Bee Guy" From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Jan 31 06:47:40 EST 1999 Article: 15693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jan 1999 01:12:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <78iv6m$7j9$1@netnews.upenn.edu> Message-ID: <19990125201228.02936.00002960@ng116.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15693 FINAL REPLY I HOPE !!!!!!!!!!!!! First off I ain't creditable... Can't get a loan for a box a epsom salts ! Secondly.. yep i did sure nuf goof posting the private stuff, Fink clued me in and this fella did too. ******apologies to one and all********** Thirdly and once and fer all i hope Ya'll wanna be happy ???? Jus be who the hell ya are and if'n folks don't like it its they biz and jus possibl they loss. H.Kevin Johnson EMT-P, ACLS, PALS, BTLS, CLS-Instructor AAS- Emergency Medical Science 3.85 GPA AAS-Aviation Science Technology 3.9 GPA Past President- Phi Theta Kappa Past President- Student Government Beekeeper Beekeeping Instructor Computer Repair and Instruction So as all "uppity " out there can see, I've been there and done that and got a damn tee shirt. I've reached a point in my life where i no longer need the approval of the upper class to " ring my bell " ! I am here and will be here to help any body in beekeeping, and will be glad to enjoy the company of one and all of ya till the day i can't type another letter. God bless ya one and all, and for dang sake let this hare thang die hare an naw. From 123@nospam.com Sun Jan 31 06:47:41 EST 1999 Article: 15694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <36A896CB.9CA4A73D@nospam.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:18:45 -0600 From: Stephen & Tammy Alger <123@nospam.com> Reply-To: 123@nospam.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Diatomaceous earth Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.102.191.50 X-Trace: 22 Jan 1999 15:17:30 -0600, 206.102.191.50 Lines: 18 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.102.184.13!206.102.184.13!206.102.191.50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15694 We are considering getting bees and have been reading this newsgroup for awhile to learn. I was wondering if anyone has ever tried using diatomaceous earth to control mites and if it worked? Tammy Alger to reply, reply to fullquiver@hotmail.com the addres above is to prevent spam. -- Stephen & Tammy Alger Alger Family Home Page, Christian & Homeschooling links < http://www.clandjop.com/~salger > Support the U.S. Taxpayers Party the only 100% pro-life, pro-family & pro-constitution party. < http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5683 > < http://www.ustaxpayers.org > From gclewis@REMOVEpenn.com Sun Jan 31 06:47:41 EST 1999 Article: 15695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36AD9BA9.6857@penn.com> From: gclewis@penn.com Reply-To: gclewis@REMOVEpenn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Diatomaceous earth References: <36A896CB.9CA4A73D@nospam.com> <19990125201733.02936.00002965@ng116.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 02:40:41 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.22.28.27 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 917318509 208.22.28.27 (Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:41:49 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:41:49 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15695 ithink that it would work on the mites but I also think it would do a job on the bees as well. It is good as an organic control in the garden against insects and slugs. Those long dead diatoms are sharp as a razor cutting and slashing as the insect moves. It is harmless to larger animals but I think it would hurt the bees. I do not know how you would apply it without injuring the bees. Perhaps if it were placed on the bottom board and covered in some fashion to keep the bees away from it, allowing the mites to fall into the dusting of diatoms. If it would not cut up the bees internally it would be great to get those nasty tracheal mites. It calls for some looking into. Perhaps there is someone that has more info on if this has been tested. If it is found that it does not hurt the bee it could be added to a grease patty or with a pollen substitute to get to the mites when the bees ate or contacted the patties. You might want to try someone at the Bee research stations around the country or call a biologist at a local county office. They would be able to tell you if the earth will hurt the bees. That is the best starting point. Proceed from there. Hey who knows you may get a grant from the governmaent. Just remember where you got the idea... Good luck in your search... Gary C. Lewis Duke Center, Pa. From dhall@thenuthouse.com Sun Jan 31 06:47:42 EST 1999 Article: 15696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "dhall" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36A806D5.4591@midwest.net> <19990122070529.05420.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bee Vac Lines: 36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <4Jar2.903$ro5.1607@news15.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.26.43.140 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 917321664 209.26.43.140 (Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:34:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:34:24 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:35:22 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15696 You know HK you could fire up your "sure fire" ant control on these two. dhall Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990122070529.05420.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com>... >>> " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " >> >>I dunno - Skip whaddaya say - we cut ole Kev some slack? Seems a shame >>to back off so soon - I haven't even started on the negative air >>pressure aspect of the humor:) >> >>Oh well, best to keep it "G" rated. >> >>AL > >Actually I'm enjoyin the hell outa it myself >Ya dang sure can't forget the name a the thing can ya ? > >By the way , This ain't no copyrite infringement either, ya see i aint quite a >skinny fellow by no means and the johnson part i come by kinda natural like. > >Ya'll buy ya one, They're the best thing since store bought soap !! > > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > >Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively >by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. > >" IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " > From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Jan 31 06:47:43 EST 1999 Article: 15697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.ultranet.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:16:49 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 39 Message-ID: <36AD33A1.5F7BE55F@valley.net> References: <19990125183114.05368.00002419@ng145.aol.com> <19990125201529.02936.00002962@ng116.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-219.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15697 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > >Gee, no one suggested the "six-pack/shotgun/lounge chair" technique of ant > >control - also works for slug, mice, yellowjackets, skunks, and more... > > > > acually i used that once, with a home made flame thrower, got rid a them ants > rite off......too bad bout the hive body though....think i mighta used 1 to > many six packs > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively > by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. > > " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " does anyone remember the 'weed remover' they used to sell in the back of the sunday paper magazine? it was a flame thrower that used kerosene. also advertised to melt ice on sidewalks. well, one of the garden catalogs i just received is selling the modern version of this gizmo, which uses a propane cylinder, instead. flame on, johnny flame! i gotta wonder how many people are gonna launch themselves into orbit with this handy, dandy tool. guess it would work well on ants, though. more idle thoughts. bill -- ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From Barry@Birkey.com Sun Jan 31 06:47:43 EST 1999 Article: 15698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medication Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:28:01 -0600 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 38 Message-ID: <36B33300.ABE53775@Birkey.com> References: <36B2229D.4B29B3EB@aug.edu> <36B2AAA0.1A3C9212@webzone.net> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.172.125 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15698 Donald Franson wrote: > > For Georgia it is not to early to put in your apistan (1 strip per 5 > frames of bees) and mark it on your calendar 45 days MAXIMUM then > take them out!! If you do not have Menthol in your hives already then Information about Apistan treatment routinely gets posted here with varying degrees of accuracy. From the horses mouth and for the record: Use one strip for each 5 combs of bees or less in each brood chamber (Langstroth deep frames or equivalent in other sizes). Hang the strips within two combs of the edge of the bee cluster. APISTAN strips must be in contact with the brood nest bees at all times. If two deep supers are used for the brood nest, hang APISTAN strips in alternate corners of the cluster, in the top and bottom super. For best chemical distribution, use APISTAN when daytime high temperatures are at least 50 degrees F. Remove honey supers before application of APISTAN strips and do not replace until the end of the control period. For adequate control within a bee yard, treat all infested colonies within that yard. Effective control may be achieved by treating hives in the spring before the first honey flow and in the fall after the last honey flow. Do not remove strips from hive for at least 42 days (6 weeks). Do not leave strips in hive for more than 56 days (8 weeks). Honey supers may be replaced after strips are removed. Sandoz Sandoz Agro, Inc. 1300 East Toughy Ave. Des Plaines, IL 60018 APISTAN is a registered trademark of Sandoz Ltd. -- Barry Birkey Illinios, USA -------------------------------------------- barry@birkey.com > http://www.birkey.com From anglin@mi.verio.com Sun Jan 31 06:47:44 EST 1999 Article: 15699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36AFBAF5.3285@erols.com> Subject: Re: Using old hive bodies?/ How much to pay for used bodies/ supers? Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.115 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 917774407 209.69.69.115 (Sun, 31 Jan 1999 04:20:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 04:20:07 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 04:20:58 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15699 You could scorch out the inside of the hive bodies and supers just to be sure... (Blowtorch, or I have heard of pouring kerosene or deisel inside a stack, lighting it, and then smothering the fire with a lid after the chimney effect has scorched the inside.) Does anyone have practical tips on how much fuel to use, and what type?!!! I have a lead on about 60 old hive bodies and I am wondering how much I should pay for them? (I plan on scorching them since I don't know how healthy the bees were- the owner said mites killed them tho...) If fairly solid, what percentage of new price is fair to pay? If in ragged condition (But still usable for a season or two.) then how much? All advice on evaluating this find is welcome! Thanks! From BobCan@Clover.Net Mon Feb 1 10:23:25 EST 1999 Article: 15700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Bob Cannaday" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9075-36B27DBA-166@newsd-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Getting started. Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:48:05 -0500 Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.151.190.159 Message-ID: <36b4798f.0@news.clover.net> X-Trace: 31 Jan 1999 10:41:03 -0500, 209.151.190.159 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.clover.net!209.151.190.159 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15700 I am very new to the hobby and found that searching the web has helped me. There are very few people around here to assist me so I have been going at it on my own. Now, I don't have bees I am very new. I have built the hives and am waiting for spring for my bees. If there was one thing I would tell you is... after building my first 40 frames I don't I will build frames again as I have purchased another hive since then with prebuilt frames. I guess the first one was interesting and now I know how to build them, but I spent a lot of time doing it right. Good luck! Frank McCloskey wrote in message <9075-36B27DBA-166@newsd-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... I am interested in beekeeping as a hobby. How do I get started? Thanks for your help. God bless you. The Rev. Dr. Frank J. McCloskey, Bishop Elect. The American Old Catholic Church Mobile, Alabama From abchome@webzone.net Mon Feb 1 10:23:26 EST 1999 Article: 15701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!WCG!WCG-Reader.POSTED!wznews.webzone.net!208.152.103.116 Message-ID: <36AFFC71.7BAAA77F@webzone.net> From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Using old hive bodies? References: <36AFBAF5.3285@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 15 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:58:10 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.23.10 X-Trace: WCG-Reader 917503113 205.219.23.10 (Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:58:33 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:58:33 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15701 If it was mites that killed your bees off... the mites died when the bees died,,,, no bees--no mites... If however your bees died of some other disease such as AFB or EFB then the spores are still in the hive. the only way to eliminate it completely is to burn your hive.. If they were mine I would get some bees and a queen and try again, Join a local club and read the modern methods of control and have fun!!! ___________________________ Wayne S. Ambler wrote: > Just found this group today. > From abchome@webzone.net Mon Feb 1 10:23:27 EST 1999 Article: 15702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!WCG!WCG-Reader.POSTED!wznews.webzone.net!208.152.103.116 Message-ID: <36B00118.8CA4F5E2@webzone.net> From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Instrumental Insemination References: <36ACCE49.1298C3C4@webzone.net> <78lefb$p66$1@golux.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 31 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:18:01 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.23.10 X-Trace: WCG-Reader 917504304 205.219.23.10 (Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:18:24 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:18:24 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15702 Yes I would like to see what you came up with, I have found a cheap unit (cheap?) that Thorn sells for 375 but that is a rather crude device. I guess it would be a good start though to get my queens bred the way I want them. Genetics is a tricky art but with the close proximity of the africanized honeybees I do not want my queen business to suffer. Found Schley's web page and Susan Cobys pages but that is about all I could find on the net. did not hurt to ask. Donald Adam Finkelstein wrote: > In article <36ACCE49.1298C3C4@webzone.net>, > Donald Franson wrote: > >Does anyone know anyone with any used insemination equipment > >for honeybees that they would be willing to sell for a > >reasonable price?? > > > > Hi. I queried the net for the same equipment a few months ago. No luck. > If you want, I'll post what I turned up. Most definitely not used. There > are a range prices however. > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vt.edu > http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From stavorb@otenet.gr Mon Feb 1 10:23:28 EST 1999 Article: 15703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!EU.net!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newshunter.cosy.sbg.ac.at!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail From: "ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΟΣ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I ask for bee pictures Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:50:49 +0200 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 3 Message-ID: <792c3r$j3n$1@ns1.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: kast-a15.otenet.gr X-Trace: ns1.otenet.gr 917812155 19575 195.167.125.222 (31 Jan 1999 19:49:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jan 1999 19:49:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15703 If you have any pictures of bees e-mail me. From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Feb 1 10:23:28 EST 1999 Article: 15704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news12.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small Hive Beetle/ Larvae Traps offered on Ebay Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.149 X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 917812955 209.69.69.149 (Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:02:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:02:35 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:04:57 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15704 Spotted this on Ebay- Auction Item #62114738- What do you think? Ellen This is a trap for the African Beetle. It comes in two parts. One is the Larvae Trap, it is designed to trap the Larvae while it is traveling from the hive to the ground. The Adult beetle trap is designed to trap the Small Hive beetle as it enters the hive. For more infomation on this, you can go to the web site http://www.small-hive-beetle-trap.com/or you can go to Excite search engine and plug in the words Small Hive Beetle, African Beetle, or Aethina Tumida, and read about this larvae trap, and see a picture of it. The adult beetle trap has just been designed, and is not shown on the web sight. This trap has been designed by me, as a beekeeper myself. You can email me for further infomation on these two items. Even tho I am only putting one each (as a pair)up for auction, you can email me for information on getting more. If you know other beekeepers that might be interested in these items, please fill free to alert them of this, because they should find this to be of great help agianst the attack of this Beetle (Aethina Tumida).These traps can be used over and over for years. Can be used during honey flow. The strips that are out now does not label for use during honey flow. I guess the Beetle can stay away on its own during that time, NOT!!! Thanks , Joseph Rorie, the least of all saints. From cde049@airmail.net Mon Feb 1 10:23:29 EST 1999 Article: 15705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!worldfeed.news.gte.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vac Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:55:52 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 8 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <792n49$4fk@library2.airnews.net> References: <36A806D5.4591@midwest.net> <19990122070529.05420.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.iadfw.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Jan 31 16:57:14 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\O^-+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15705 >Ya'll buy ya one, They're the best thing since store bought soap !! > Wa wud sumbdy bi soap frum a stor? We jus wup up a bnch wne we do chit'lins . From Griffes@my-dejanews.com Mon Feb 1 10:23:30 EST 1999 Article: 15706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carniolan bee types? Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:28:48 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 57 Message-ID: <792ov8$l64$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <36B0ED33.63BE91B5@muscanet.com> <36B0E923.F80CC862@alltel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.24 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jan 31 23:28:48 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x6.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15706 In article , "mcgarryt" wrote: > I to have askes this question. It weems as though the general response > is that the NWC Carnies are more productive than the ARS-Y-C-1. I plan > to have both at some point to give each a fair trial. > -- Excellent idea - test them both SIDE BY SIDE. To get a fairly accurate result you need to test about 20 or more of each. If your area can't support that many of each type in one yard then you run multiple test yards BUT realize you can only really compare same yard results due to variations between yards that may even be only a few miles away. >From HIP testing if productivity is your interest go with NWC. You see NWC has actually been selected toward traits real beekeepers find to be of value. Traits such as Early Spring Build-up, Honey Production, Gentleness and Calmness on the Comb, NO AFB nor CB shown in any breeder colony, high brood viability. USDA's ARS-YC1 (YUGO) on the other hand was selected for only one trait over several bee generations of a scientific research project in Yugoslavia. Productivity never was a REAL consideration - it really don't matter to research scientists - honey harvest is just extra work for them and it don't really effect/affect their wages/salary. Additionally except via AI you can't buy PURE YUGO - what you get from queen rearers is mostly YUGO virgins mated out most generally to Italian type drones. This makes for wide swings in results you get with boughten YUGO queens. When HIP tested quite a bunch of YUGO queens in several Cooperators operations we were LESS THAN IMPRESSED overall - productivity varied widely but was for the most part very low (1/3 of operation averages) - temper varied also quite widely with a lean toward being a bit testy (not typical of Carniolan but quite typical of Carnica/Italian crosses in the F1). We found YUGO not of itself worth keeping pure and selecting for improvement BUT among the several hundred HIP tested we did find 5 queens we tested as potential breeders and one (just one) of them still has descendants crossed on HIP stock in a HIP UTS test yard or two. Point being you find more diamonds in a strain that is better than YUGO but you can pick some good out of even a basically poor strain if you can sift through enough of them. If your choice is between NWC and YUGO my advice is pick NWC - yep we tested them both. It left me seriously wondering WHY the USDA pumped so much hype and funding into YUGO importation and release. Okay so what is good about YUGO - this is it - where maintained via AI it represents a PURE racial type - a mighty rare thing here in the USA - and that makes it valuable for crossbreeding though it may not be worth much for anything else. Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From sanford@monmouth.com Mon Feb 1 10:23:30 EST 1999 Article: 15707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: sanford@monmouth.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thanks, and a question? Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:00:25 -0500 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 10 Message-ID: <36B526D9.4088@monmouth.com> Reply-To: sanford@monmouth.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sl-tc-ppp32.monmouth.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15707 Just wanted to add my thanks along with Susan's to you Adam, for creating this newsgroup! It's very interesting and informative. During my explorations of the net I ran across some info on Top Bar hives. Would anyone care to go into the pros and cons of TB vs. Langstroth as to ease of care, preference of bees etc.? I've not yet joined the ranks and would like to here what you all may have to say on the subject before I dive into hive building. ;-) Shari Sanford From abchome@webzone.net Mon Feb 1 10:23:31 EST 1999 Article: 15708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <36B52D27.BC5EEDCD@webzone.net> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:27:21 -0600 From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carniolan bee types? References: <36B0ED33.63BE91B5@muscanet.com> <36B0E923.F80CC862@alltel.net> <792ov8$l64$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.152.103.198 X-Trace: 31 Jan 1999 22:30:04 -0600, 208.152.103.198 Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 63 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.0.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!wznews.webzone.net!208.152.103.198 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15708 sounds like their bees went over about as well as thier cars did. (this is just my opinion) don Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > In article , > "mcgarryt" wrote: > > I to have askes this question. It weems as though the general response > > is that the NWC Carnies are more productive than the ARS-Y-C-1. I plan > > to have both at some point to give each a fair trial. > > -- > > Excellent idea - test them both SIDE BY SIDE. To get a fairly accurate result > you need to test about 20 or more of each. If your area can't support that > many of each type in one yard then you run multiple test yards BUT realize you > can only really compare same yard results due to variations between yards that > may even be only a few miles away. > > From HIP testing if productivity is your interest go with NWC. You see NWC > has actually been selected toward traits real beekeepers find to be of value. > Traits such as Early Spring Build-up, Honey Production, Gentleness and > Calmness on the Comb, NO AFB nor CB shown in any breeder colony, high brood > viability. > > USDA's ARS-YC1 (YUGO) on the other hand was selected for only one trait over > several bee generations of a scientific research project in Yugoslavia. > Productivity never was a REAL consideration - it really don't matter to > research scientists - honey harvest is just extra work for them and it don't > really effect/affect their wages/salary. Additionally except via AI you > can't buy PURE YUGO - what you get from queen rearers is mostly YUGO virgins > mated out most generally to Italian type drones. This makes for wide swings > in results you get with boughten YUGO queens. When HIP tested quite a bunch > of YUGO queens in several Cooperators operations we were LESS THAN IMPRESSED > overall - productivity varied widely but was for the most part very low (1/3 > of operation averages) - temper varied also quite widely with a lean toward > being a bit testy (not typical of Carniolan but quite typical of > Carnica/Italian crosses in the F1). We found YUGO not of itself worth > keeping pure and selecting for improvement BUT among the several hundred HIP > tested we did find 5 queens we tested as potential breeders and one (just > one) of them still has descendants crossed on HIP stock in a HIP UTS test > yard or two. Point being you find more diamonds in a strain that is better > than YUGO but you can pick some good out of even a basically poor strain if > you can sift through enough of them. > > If your choice is between NWC and YUGO my advice is pick NWC - yep we tested > them both. It left me seriously wondering WHY the USDA pumped so much hype > and funding into YUGO importation and release. > > Okay so what is good about YUGO - this is it - where maintained via AI it > represents a PURE racial type - a mighty rare thing here in the USA - and that > makes it valuable for crossbreeding though it may not be worth much for > anything else. > > Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com > Country Jack's Honeybee Farm > Onsted, MI > USA > http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From amschelp@pe.net Mon Feb 1 10:23:31 EST 1999 Article: 15709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!-program!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thanks, and a question? Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:29:46 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <36B526D9.4088@monmouth.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c1p048.hem.pe.net X-Trace: magnolia.pe.net 917843309 14143 216.100.28.248 (1 Feb 1999 04:28:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Feb 1999 04:28:29 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15709 I'm a fan of top bar hives. I will be starting one out here again in So Cal pretty soon. With a top bar hive, your colony won't produce massive quantities of honey like in Langstroths, which I also tried for several years on a small scale, but you will receive the bees' surplus of high quality honey and honeycomb and beeswax. My first hive, the one that got me interested in keeping bees, was a swarm which took up residence for several years in a rusty beer keg out in the bamboo grove by the fence here on my one acre. In article <36B526D9.4088@monmouth.com>, sanford@monmouth.com says... > Just wanted to add my thanks along with Susan's to you Adam, for > creating this newsgroup! It's very interesting and informative. > > During my explorations of the net I ran across some info on Top Bar > hives. Would anyone care to go into the pros and cons of TB vs. > Langstroth as to ease of care, preference of bees etc.? I've not yet > joined the ranks and would like to here what you all may have to say on > the subject before I dive into hive building. ;-) > > Shari Sanford > From apipop@wanadoo.fr Mon Feb 1 10:23:32 EST 1999 Article: 15710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "JEAN-CLAUDE TREYVAUD" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting started. Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:16:12 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 62 Message-ID: <793hjo$b74$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> References: <9075-36B27DBA-166@newsd-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntmpl10-196.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15710 For your information find a copy of answers to Jim Murray sent by P. Mizen and myself on 01/18/99. I hope they will be of good advice to you. Regards JC Treyvaud Jim, I started bee-keeping some years ago, just for fun. As I am of technical formation I red plenty of books about bee-keeping, and I can say that if it's true you can learn much from books, it's also quite risky. Experience of how to deal with bees is a MUST. You should find an experienced bee-keeper in your neighbourhood and spend time working with him for at least one season to learn by handling yourself real bees. Instead I am afraid you are going to a disaster. Regards Jean-Claude Treyvaud a french beekeeper Jim I agree with Jean-Claude's reply, i.e. find a local beekeeper to show you the ropes. By doing this for a season you will experience the highs and the lows - which is important. When you go it alone it must be with your eyes wide open. It will be great fun, and usually very rewarding - good luck, keep us updated on your progress. For a list of beekeeping contacts you should try your local library. From there should find details of either individuals or beekeeping groups. You can also contact your national beekeeping association - which country are you in? When you have made contact with some like-minded people, they will point you in the direction of equipment and bee suppliers. Regards Philip Mizen Jim Murray a ιcrit dans le message <36A27EB6.58716DE@albany.net>... >Hi, > >I've decided to get into Beekeeping as a family activity and would like >to begin small. I have a great book on beekeeping and have done some >extensive reading on the Internet as well. It looks like a lot of fun >and could be a big benefit to our veggie garden as well. > >Can someone tell me a good place to buy a starter kit? I've found >several web sites that sell such kits, but being a beginner, I don't >know what's a good deal or not. How much should I spend, what SHOULD the >kit include for a beginner, where do I get the bees from????? > >Any, and all help will be gladly accepted. Thank you! > >Jim Murray > Frank McCloskey a ιcrit dans le message <9075-36B27DBA-166@newsd-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... I am interested in beekeeping as a hobby. How do I get started? Thanks for your help. God bless you. The Rev. Dr. Frank J. McCloskey, Bishop Elect. The American Old Catholic Church Mobile, Alabama From Billy.Y.Smart@nospam.boeing.com Mon Feb 1 10:23:32 EST 1999 Article: 15711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!aruba.odu.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!cnn.nas.nasa.gov!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Reply to question X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------29353CEDE50DA22FA6EA7E30" Message-ID: <36AE075E.3CC3729D@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: Tooling Numerical Control Programming References: <78iv6m$7j9$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <19990125201228.02936.00002960@ng116.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:20:14 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; AIX 4.1) Lines: 45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15711 --------------29353CEDE50DA22FA6EA7E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. Since no one else is going to I guess I'll have to break down and ask the most obvious question: Just how big is ole "Mr. Johnson" anyway?! ;-) -- Billy Y. 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  --------------29353CEDE50DA22FA6EA7E30-- From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Feb 1 10:23:33 EST 1999 Article: 15712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Green bees?! Help! Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 08:53:52 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <182D47D22S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19990127185302.24262.00000055@ng147.aol.com> <36AFFDE4.C5164B27@webzone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!-program!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15712 In article <36AFFDE4.C5164B27@webzone.net> Donald Franson writes: > >Sounds like the carpenter bee. No, it does not sound like a carpenter bee. Carpenter bees do not nest in the ground, they build nests in burrows they "drill" into punky wood. Neither are carpenter bees greenish in hue. Carpenter bees are often confused with bumble bees (Bombus). I cannot offer quesses as to what the mystery bees is, but it's not a carpenter bee. Aaron Morris - thinking misinformation abounds! From bill.greenrose@valley.net Mon Feb 1 10:23:34 EST 1999 Article: 15713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.shore.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:54:53 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 30 Message-ID: <36AAC3BC.4E85C2EE@valley.net> References: <36A8966C.361F@midwest.net> <19990122130015.02939.00001123@ng116.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-101.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15713 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > Ya know threads is like people..... > > We have 2 ends with a common link > With one we sit With one we think > Success depends on which we choose > Heads we win ...Tails we lose. > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively > by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. > > " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " jeepers, creepers. after reading this thread i'm wondering if it mean that i can't call you 'johnny reb' anymore? bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Feb 1 10:23:34 EST 1999 Article: 15714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vac Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Feb 1999 11:20:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990201062049.15531.00002631@ng30.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15714 >Wa wud sumbdy bi soap frum a stor? We jus wup up a bnch wne we do chit'lins would them be hand slung and scraped wit a tin can lid or politely processed an come in one a them plastic tubs ?? Cooked down into slop or deep fried in rings like kalimarie. ? Strong enough to kill trees within 100 yards or just slightly sinus relieving ? Cooked beside a house full a yankees so as to be declared a public service ? Oh thars jus so many thangs ta consider when cookin up a mess a chitlins. Ya'll Come Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From sahara@easynet.co.uk Mon Feb 1 10:23:35 EST 1999 Article: 15715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!quince.news.easynet.net!not-for-mail From: "John Norman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Start-up Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:57:08 -0000 Organization: [posted via Easynet Ltd] Lines: 14 Message-ID: <79418b$ebo$1@quince.news.easynet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sahara.easynet.co.uk X-Trace: quince.news.easynet.net 917866571 14712 212.212.96.65 (1 Feb 1999 10:56:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Feb 1999 10:56:11 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15715 Dear Newsgroup, I have always been interested in keeping bees, but up to now, I have not had the time. Can any one recommend a good way to start, as I do not want to be overwhelmed by getting too bogged down in equipment and protocol? Many thanks, John W Norman. Somerset, UK.