Article 30011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Phacelia Date: 31 May 2001 22:53:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0105312153.1a2b9653@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.178 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991374793 25064 127.0.0.1 (1 Jun 2001 05:53:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2001 05:53:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30011 Greetings to all, Can some one provide some information where I can purchase some "Phacelia" seed? Thank you very much for your help! Fr. Athanasios Article 30012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5564f45f.0105312153.1a2b9653@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Phacelia Lines: 20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 06:31:20 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-0jKREkcPs5t8pyBHW5khlTlaE0jDPMrw3w6D6hQ3GfUxVcMZ1ETfqPfS4DbzCoVylJkCt8yPrHiwcWz!fD3S2GtoVR5c1szj4CVuv+iSwz8eZDJylPoSQ9jmH9xjTWCMRx0a2xYWxAZLgZR2wF0fnG9HUaSV!/uk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 06:29:49 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30012 Try this. http://www.ibiblio.org/london/agriculture/forums/sustainable-agriculture2/ms g00609.html -- Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) "Fr. Athanasios" wrote in message news:5564f45f.0105312153.1a2b9653@posting.google.com... > Greetings to all, > > Can some one provide some information where I can purchase some "Phacelia" seed? > Thank you very much for your help! > Fr. Athanasios Article 30013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: From the NYT online - a better hive? Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:17:01 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3B167E9A.AB71725D@nospam.boeing.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30013 "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message news:3B167E9A.AB71725D@nospam.boeing.com... > Found this on the New York Times web site today. I paste it here in it's > entirety as some of you may not subscribe. I wish they gave more details > about how the frames are situated in these hives than they do. sounds like a modified topbar hive (see http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm ) also see "STRESS AND HONEY BEES" at http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/publ/stress.html and to extrapolate even further see http://www.beedata.com/articles.htm Article 30014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J&DC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to? Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <7VMR6.15240$Uo3.634343@news6.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 08:38:11 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-LqXQA36k093HAxm7Kt9aul33Vd8UO0TizESOPjUPE1J2tMZVBMi4tJ9BRQ8ltnLVLV5azJ+dI0wo5zW!CVtAazk0GHFEQ6AyZzGBl9Fm59M8DgDGYnBN4mmHlwWrIVQvRPR4dfAt7FhhtL8+LtSK9cBfrbYS!JunSQ8nX X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 02:22:08 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30014 Hello I posted this message before but it never showed on my list. I requeened my hive this spring after coming out of winter queenless. The new queen is laying and I now have capped brood. The population of workers if very low now and I don't think they will make it. I have a package coming soon and would like to add about 1 pound of workers from this package to my old hive. I would then install the other 2 pounds in my new hive. How can this be done? Can find nothing in my books. Dave Article 30015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to? Message-ID: <3b179f7f.1545181062@west.usenetserver.com> References: <7VMR6.15240$Uo3.634343@news6.giganews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 28 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:00:25 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:02:16 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30015 This would just make two weak hives .. a 2 lb package will take 11 weeks to get up to full strength .. remember you need so many bees to stay home and work / guard .. you won't have any field bees. If you have more hives, you can equalize by moving frames of brood If you don't have a nectar flow on feeding is the best way to strengthen. Pouring 1 lbs of bees into an active hive would cause a good bee fight but wouldn't solve any problems. Dave On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 02:22:08 -0400, "J&DC" wrote: >Hello >I posted this message before but it never showed on my list. I requeened my >hive this spring after coming out of winter queenless. The new queen is >laying and I now have capped brood. The population of workers if very low >now and I don't think they will make it. I have a package coming soon and >would like to add about 1 pound of workers from this package to my old hive. >I would then install the other 2 pounds in my new hive. How can this be >done? Can find nothing in my books. >Dave > > Article 30016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J&DC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: foundation press? Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:03:53 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-4iM2dsg9+H9i3RQVjWJegMOdpKa2BguzKaLc7p7tW/fwV8STD8C8AMdjXS1QbQeZyilZ2VxOTsBxlK7!n1zvN++Qr0l/xaxGIfAsTUPXnlmW9US5k60xjVmP0q1MFvE6Ds9O2Wv19/Z9WuQV8MUBygC3YdP0!hTRf7s82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 02:47:49 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30016 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433736568 check this out. dave Article 30017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B17D209.17E4466A@telus.net> From: Edward Banas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Phacelia References: <5564f45f.0105312153.1a2b9653@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:30:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.53.81.97 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 991416647 209.53.81.97 (Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:30:47 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:30:47 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30017 The DAM SEED CO. located in Flamboro Ontario, Canada. Price $9.50 CAN for 125 grams approx 60000 seeds "Fr. Athanasios" wrote: > Greetings to all, > > Can some one provide some information where I can purchase some "Phacelia" seed? > Thank you very much for your help! > Fr. Athanasios Article 30018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to? Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:53:03 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3b17d593.55639666@news1.radix.net> References: <7VMR6.15240$Uo3.634343@news6.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p27.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30018 On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 02:22:08 -0400, "J&DC" wrote: >Hello >I posted this message before but it never showed on my list. I requeened my >hive this spring after coming out of winter queenless. The new queen is >laying and I now have capped brood. The population of workers if very low >now and I don't think they will make it. I have a package coming soon and >would like to add about 1 pound of workers from this package to my old hive. >I would then install the other 2 pounds in my new hive. How can this be >done? Can find nothing in my books. >Dave > > It shouldn't be a problem. Spray the bees (package and hive) with sugar water just before you dump the in. This will keep them from flying and by the time they clean themselves up they won't know who is who. The package hive is going to be pretty weak by the time the new brood starts to hatch so you will have to feed them constantly and watch for robbing. beekeep Article 30019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7VMR6.15240$Uo3.634343@news6.giganews.com> Subject: Re: How to? Lines: 30 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:11:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.45.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 991419060 12.72.45.200 (Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:11:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:11:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30019 You can do this without weakening either hive. Install the 3# package with queen above a double queen excluder over the weak hive and let the colony function as a 2 queen unit. You will get rapid build-up and then you can split them a little later in the season. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "J&DC" wrote in message news:7VMR6.15240$Uo3.634343@news6.giganews.com... > Hello > I posted this message before but it never showed on my list. I requeened my > hive this spring after coming out of winter queenless. The new queen is > laying and I now have capped brood. The population of workers if very low > now and I don't think they will make it. I have a package coming soon and > would like to add about 1 pound of workers from this package to my old hive. > I would then install the other 2 pounds in my new hive. How can this be > done? Can find nothing in my books. > Dave > > Article 30020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.198!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Foundation Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:49:44 -0500 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4dofht0sf36t6jv5vtnqca5a4u9rr7hlm2@4ax.com> References: <9f2935$dc6$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.198 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 991421386 3039423 216.167.138.198 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30020 Peter, in Scotland..humm. I would not disturb the hive with the old comb, I would put a new box of frames and foundation on top of the old box and let the bees develop it into comb as they needed. Another thing to remember is don't bother adding new foundation anywhere if there's not a 'furious' nectar flow going on, and also that the temperature is warm enough for wax to be 'produced' that is at least 80F Does it ever get to 80F in Scotland Peter? Maybe you need to have a Euro co-operative with other beekeepers and set up a comb making operation in the south of France. As a member of the co-op you could import the new combs to Scotland just in time for the Heather flow. Wayhay the Scots. (sorry about phonetic spelling) C.K. Article 30021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.uunet.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Why thicker in the fall? Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:16:40 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.116.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 991429974 209.226.116.136 (Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:12:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:12:54 EDT Organization: Bell Nexxia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30021 "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message news:3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com... > I think you will want to use 1:1 syrup. The 2:1 is for fall feeding. I've read that (and am following that advice) but I haven't seen the reason for it anywhere. Why do we feed thicker syrup in the fall? Frank. Article 30022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Jun 2001 23:23:28 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Why thicker in the fall? Message-ID: <20010601192328.24292.00001779@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30022 To not stimulate brood production and to limit moisture Article 30023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Update Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:01:23 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30023 For those who still 'surf'. We have upgraded our site, new pics, new lower prices, even some new items. Come visit http://www.beeworks.com Regards to all, Dave.....-- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** Article 30024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thicker in the fall? Date: 1 Jun 2001 20:40:24 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991453224 31400 127.0.0.1 (2 Jun 2001 03:40:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2001 03:40:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30024 Howdy Frank -- Thick syrup can have the water content reduced for storage quicker in order to beat the lower temperatures which delays evaporation of excessive water. Pete ******************************************** Article 30025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Jun 2001 04:09:07 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: chimney effect Message-ID: <20010602000907.01628.00002361@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30025 Its been awhile since I was active in beekeeping but it seems that at times I experimented with a queen screen(sorry I forget the term) to allow the workers to get through but not the queen or drones. It would keep the queen in the lower brood boxes and allow the upper super for honey. Comments? Article 30026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Jun 2001 04:19:43 GMT References: <20010527145047.24269.00001289@ng-cq1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Burr combs problem Message-ID: <20010602001943.01628.00002362@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30026 I had this problem and I cut the super down so when it was placed over/and/or another super placed on top there wasn't the room to build out burr combs. This also cut down on the problem of propolis filling that space too. You do need to leave some bee space to keep from squashing the workers when you replace the frames. Article 30027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Jun 2001 04:21:39 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: russian bees Message-ID: <20010602002139.01628.00002363@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30027 >Hi anyone have any info on the russian bees. If they're not russian are they bizy anyway? Article 30028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Jun 2001 04:57:56 GMT References: <3B0A754C.94CFA324@tir.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Wild bees in a mobile home Message-ID: <20010602005756.01628.00002364@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30028 Its a problem I had thought about and the answer is possibly something that I read: Get a beekeeper that wants to try this, and it may be worth it to offer him/her money. It will take time (weeks) to complete this Block all the entrances to the hive but one. Somehow arrange a one-way bee escape to the entrance. Have another hive with queen nearby. As the bees leave the mobile home and can't get in they will move to the other hive. Eventually the hive in the mobile home will die off. Once the hive inside the home is dead, take off the one-way and allow the bees from the hive, it can be moved away, to rob the one in the home. When the activity stops, close up the opening. All you have in the walls now is wax. Comments? Article 30029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Re: Why thicker in the fall? Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 09:33:09 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.116.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 991490145 209.226.116.119 (Sat, 02 Jun 2001 09:55:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 09:55:45 EDT Organization: Bell Nexxia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30029 "Pete" wrote: > Howdy Frank -- > > Thick syrup can have the water content reduced for storage quicker > in order to beat the lower temperatures which delays evaporation of > excessive water. Thanks - that makes sense. What is the advantage of a thinner syrup in the spring - is it easier for the bees to collect? Frank. Article 30030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thicker in the fall? Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 13:41:39 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9fb8ra$c9a$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-8-197.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 991504042 12586 209.23.8.197 (2 Jun 2001 17:47:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2001 17:47:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30030 > Thanks - that makes sense. What is the advantage of a thinner syrup in the > spring - is it easier for the bees to collect? > Brood stimulation. Clay Article 30031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Upgrade Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 13:57:25 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30031 For those who still have time to 'Surf'. We have upgraded our web site, new lower prices, new items, new pics. Come and visit http://www.beeworks.com Regards to all. Dave.....---- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** Article 30032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Jenter queen rearing system Message-ID: References: <20010526220242.29201.00001845@ng-ff1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 18:07:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 991505227 4.33.104.183 (Sat, 02 Jun 2001 11:07:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 11:07:07 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 11:05:05 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30032 nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) wrote: >I am a hobby beekeeper with around 20 colonies. I have been given a Jenter >queen rearing system and now ask all out there who have experience with the >system to give me some hints on do's and don't's when using the system. Jim, queen rearing with the Jenter system is similar to grafting methods after the larva are transferred to the queen cups. Some basics on the Jenter system are on my website at: http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/queens.htm but ask if you have any specific questions. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Mcelroy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need formula for substitute pollen Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 19:13:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.218.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 991509190 32.100.218.35 (Sat, 02 Jun 2001 19:13:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 19:13:10 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30033 Hi Does any one have good formula for pollen substitute that i can make myself. texas Article 30034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: When to add supers... Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 15:22:24 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B194B00.1DF496DC@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30034 I just recently added a second brood chamber to my 2 hives (each is 5 weeks old). When do I add a honey super? I know I probably won't get much (any?) honey from them this year...oh well.. BTW: Do I leave the queen excluder in place during the winter, or let her up into the honey super? And where do I drill the upper entrance? Honey super or brood chamber? Thanks... Taylor Article 30035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thicker in the fall? Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 16:39:01 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B195CF5.EFC49303@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BB7A44DBBC95D3A503D1E261" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 38 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30035 --------------BB7A44DBBC95D3A503D1E261 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy Frank -- As Huestes answered -- for brood stimulation. Some think thinner syrup simulates nectar and makes the bees "think" spring has arrived. Sounds good, but this spring (Feb 1) I started feeding last year's honey crop undiluted. It seemed to work just as well as syrup to stimulate brood raising. Pete ********************************************************** --------------BB7A44DBBC95D3A503D1E261 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy Frank --

 As Huestes answered -- for brood stimulation.  Some think thinner syrup
simulates nectar and makes the bees "think" spring has arrived.  Sounds good, but this spring (Feb 1) I started feeding last year's honey crop undiluted. It seemed to work just as well as syrup to stimulate brood raising.

                 Pete
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  --------------BB7A44DBBC95D3A503D1E261-- Article 30036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news-in.mts.net!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> <9fb8ra$c9a$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Subject: Why thinner in the spring? (Was why thicker in the fall) Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <7DcS6.1413$ZW.396946@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 17:18:13 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.116.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 991516227 209.226.116.127 (Sat, 02 Jun 2001 17:10:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 17:10:27 EDT Organization: Bell Nexxia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30036 "huestis" wrote : > > Thanks - that makes sense. What is the advantage of a thinner syrup in the > > spring - is it easier for the bees to collect? > > Brood stimulation. > > Clay How does it do that? Is the syrup fed directly to the queen, and does the consistency of the syrup affect the rate at which she lays, or is there some other mechanism at work? Frank. Article 30037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.72!wnfilter2!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B194B00.1DF496DC@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: When to add supers... Lines: 42 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 23:43:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.42.60 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 991525408 12.73.42.60 (Sat, 02 Jun 2001 23:43:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 23:43:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30037 If your 2nd brood box was foundation, you should wait until about 7 or 8 frames have been drawn, then add the honey super if necessary, one at a time if using foundation. I would omit the QX if using foundation unless you are going to produce comb honey. If you are dealing with drawn frames, you can add as much as you like at any time. You are asking questions about wintering without giving any indication of your location. I have no idea if you need to leave a honey super on or not. I don't as it just sits there untouched. I will tell you though that you should NOT leave a QX in place in the winter. If the cluster moves up to get to the stores and the queen can't follow, she is a goner. As for the hole, if you are talking about winter ventilation it should go on the uppermost box you leave them, whatever it is. If you are talking about an entrance for the workers to use to by-pass the QX, then it obviously goes above the QX. You can also accomplish either without boring holes in your hive bodies. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Taylor Francis" wrote in message news:3B194B00.1DF496DC@yahoo.com... > I just recently added a second brood chamber to my 2 hives (each is 5 > weeks old). When do I add a honey super? > > I know I probably won't get much (any?) honey from them this year...oh > well.. > > BTW: Do I leave the queen excluder in place during the winter, or let > her up into the honey super? And where do I drill the upper entrance? > Honey super or brood chamber? > > Thanks... > Taylor Article 30038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Patrick M. Hennessey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thicker in the fall? Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 21:45:29 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3e5jht4umbtvv0k7dvb9jdm3kln49h15p9@4ax.com> References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 26 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30038 You feed 1:1 in the spring to stimulate the queen to lay more eggs, AKA stimulative feeding. She thinks there is nectar coming in and the need for more workers. When the feeding stops and there is no nectar coming in she will slow down or stop laying eggs. You feed 1:2 in the fall if the hive has not put enough honey away, or you took too much, to get through the winter. By making it with more sugar there is less water to evaporate with the days getting cooler. 1:2 could be useding the spring, but this is a wast of sugar. Pat On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:16:40 -0400, "Frank" wrote: > >"Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message >news:3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com... >> I think you will want to use 1:1 syrup. The 2:1 is for fall feeding. > >I've read that (and am following that advice) but I haven't seen the reason >for it anywhere. Why do we feed thicker syrup in the fall? > >Frank. > Article 30039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Patrick M. Hennessey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thinner in the spring? (Was why thicker in the fall) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 21:56:12 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> <9fb8ra$c9a$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <7DcS6.1413$ZW.396946@news20.bellglobal.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30039 On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 17:18:13 -0400, "Frank" wrote: The syrup is collected from the feeder that you put in the hive, and stored the syrup in the comb the same as nectar. The bees evaporate the excess water and seal the cell. This gives the hive the appearance of bringing nectar, which stimulates the queen to lay more eggs. You feed before the nectar flow so the colony will be at it's maximum strength to collect nectar when the flow starts to make honey. > >How does it do that? Is the syrup fed directly to the queen, and does the >consistency of the syrup affect the rate at which she lays, or is there some >other mechanism at work? > >Frank. > Article 30040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thinner in the spring? (Was why thicker in the fall) Date: 2 Jun 2001 20:29:20 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> <9fb8ra$c9a$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <7DcS6.1413$ZW.396946@news20.bellglobal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991538960 487 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2001 03:29:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2001 03:29:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30040 Howdy again Frank -- The theory is that thin 1:1 syrup mimics nectar and makes the bees "think" spring has arrived, so they begin raising brood like crazy. In the northern states you folks have to be careful not to make more brood than the colony can keep warm. On Feb 1 this year I started feeding about 45 gallons of last year's honey undiluted. It worked fine and population exploded. When I feed sugar syrup in the spring to stimulate brood production, I make it 1:1 primarily because it is quick and simple to mix in tap water without having to heat water to make a 2:1 mix. Pete ********************************************************** Article 30041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B19BA61.C7DBBC5C@indy.net> From: Tobi Elmore Organization: Arsenal Technical High School X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: russian bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 23:17:37 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.183.71.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 991540887 209.183.71.152 (Sun, 03 Jun 2001 00:01:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 00:01:27 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30041 WE just started a hive with a russian queen. Since it was a new package I really can't make any notes other than they seem to like to fly in bad weather. Tobi Michael Mcelroy wrote: > Hi anyone have any info on the russian bees. Article 30042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone0.chicago.il.ameritech.net!spamfilter!nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Doug Lindhout" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Whose swarm is it? Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 09:31:59 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.141.246.56 X-Trace: nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net 991575065 206.141.246.56 (Sun, 03 Jun 2001 08:31:05 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 08:31:05 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30042 We got a call from the neighbors the other night. Seems a swarm had settled on one of their trees in front of their house. So, despite having never captured a swarm before, my wife and I got them out of the tree, hived them up, and now the queen is laying lots of eggs in one of my hives, thank you very much. But this process got me to thinking.... When I purchased my other bees, I *owned* them. Just like my dog, just like my horses. Now, if my dog or one of my horses wanders off, either I'll find them and return them, or a neighbor or someone else will get the word back to me to come pick them up. I don't know the law regarding this, but what I described seems to consistently work in practice. So, if my bees swarm and wander off my property, what are my legal rights, or, what are your legal rights if it is your swarm that wanders onto my land? Regardless of the law, what is common and accepted practice? Do I take a picture of the swarm and post it at the local bee shelter? I would appreciate your thoughts on this. Article 30043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B176EA4.61A6708F@airtel.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 12:29:56 +0200 From: "Jose Matas (Airtel)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bacillus thuringiensis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.73.49.241 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.73.49.241 X-Trace: 3 Jun 2001 12:22:10 +0100, 212.73.49.241 Lines: 33 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news!212.73.49.241 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30043 I read in the "organic" and "bio" law that this bacilus is allow to be used against moth(s). The EPA Biological & Economic Analysis Division, the French and European Union recomend its use. The only information that I could find was an EPA document for reregistration of it, as a Microbial Pesticide: Bacillus thuringiensis (all subspecies) Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies israelensis Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies aizawai Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies tenebrionis Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki BMP123 Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2424 Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2371 Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2348 OPP Chemical Code: 006424 And the Trade Names: Vectobac, Dipel, Biobit WP, Biobit FC, Skeetal FC, Foray, Futura, Javelin, Bactospeine, Bactimos, M-one, Thuricide-HPC, Larvo-BT, Trident, Ditera, Novodor, Xentari, BMP 123, Condor, Cutlass, Foil, Agree, Raven, Able, Crymax Any expereince cultivating this bacilus and aplication at the hive. Best wishes, Jose Matas. Article 30044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr combs problem Date: 3 Jun 2001 09:18:47 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <20010527110354.16710.00001493@ng-bg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.150.23.43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991585127 7675 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2001 16:18:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2001 16:18:47 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30044 Howdy Blue -- 9 frame spacing just naturally produces bridge comb between top bars. These bridges make it easy for the bees to move from frame to frame -- since they can't jump across. The solution for this problem is to make two "follower boards" for each hive body. You will probably not find this in the books, but it works fine except that it more equipment to make and keep up with. I make these by making two top bars only 1/2 inch wide for each hive body. A narrow groove is sawed in the bottom edge in the bottom of each of them and 1/2 inch hardware the depth of a regular frame is fastened in this groove. Since very little burr comb is attached to this wire, it can be easily removed to give plenty of space for the regular frames to be removed. This keeps the 9 frames crowed closely together and prevents most of the burr and bridge comb. Pete ***************************************************** Article 30045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bacillus thuringiensis Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:32:10 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3B176EA4.61A6708F@airtel.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 50 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30045 We have imported for a number of years 'Certan' for use against wax moth. It is the only biological larvaecide which is formulated for wax moth. New supplier, price $14.32 enough to treat 110 frames. Works well. Regards Dave..... -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Jose Matas (Airtel)" wrote in message news:3B176EA4.61A6708F@airtel.net... > I read in the "organic" and "bio" law that this bacilus is allow to be > used against > moth(s). The EPA Biological & Economic Analysis Division, the French > and European Union recomend its use. > > The only information that I could find was an EPA document for > reregistration of > it, as a Microbial Pesticide: > > Bacillus thuringiensis (all subspecies) > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies israelensis > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies aizawai > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies tenebrionis > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki BMP123 > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2424 > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2371 > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2348 > OPP Chemical Code: 006424 > > And the Trade Names: > Vectobac, Dipel, Biobit WP, Biobit FC, Skeetal FC, Foray, Futura, > Javelin, Bactospeine, > Bactimos, M-one, Thuricide-HPC, Larvo-BT, Trident, Ditera, Novodor, > Xentari, BMP > 123, Condor, Cutlass, Foil, Agree, Raven, Able, Crymax > > Any expereince cultivating this bacilus and aplication at the hive. > > Best wishes, > > Jose Matas. > Article 30046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 23:07:26 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 42 Message-ID: <9fe8vt$9vt1@news.vtx.ch> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-4-p52.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30046 Can you prove the origin of a swarm? Maybe in some few cases. Otherwise the finder is the keeper. -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Suisse tél. portable 0041 78 6272967 Doug Lindhout a écrit dans le message : t_qS6.2284$Y54.102103@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net... > We got a call from the neighbors the other night. Seems a swarm had settled > on one of their trees in front of their house. So, despite having never > captured a swarm before, my wife and I got them out of the tree, hived them > up, and now the queen is laying lots of eggs in one of my hives, thank you > very much. > > But this process got me to thinking.... > When I purchased my other bees, I *owned* them. Just like my dog, just > like my horses. > Now, if my dog or one of my horses wanders off, either I'll find them and > return them, or a neighbor or someone else will get the word back to me to > come pick them up. I don't know the law regarding this, but what I > described seems to consistently work in practice. > So, if my bees swarm and wander off my property, what are my legal rights, > or, what are your legal rights if it is your swarm that wanders onto my > land? Regardless of the law, what is common and accepted practice? Do I > take a picture of the swarm and post it at the local bee shelter? > > I would appreciate your thoughts on this. > > > > Article 30047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3fyS6.1155$to1.1619@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 21:46:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.239 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 991604799 209.204.149.239 (Sun, 03 Jun 2001 14:46:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 14:46:39 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30047 In article , "Doug Lindhout" wrote: > When I purchased my other bees, I *owned* them. Just like my dog, just > like my horses. Yeah, you own them... Until they leave. After that, unless you're the one that re-hives 'em, wave bye-bye. > Now, if my dog or one of my horses wanders off, either I'll find them and > return them, or a neighbor or someone else will get the word back to me to > come pick them up. I don't know the law regarding this, but what I > described seems to consistently work in practice. For livestock or pets, there's specific legal hoops to jump through, all of which (to my knowledge as a horseman) involve attempting to contact the rightful owner and return his valuable lost property. Legally, I don't think bees are counted as livestock, and I'm nearly certain that they aren't pets in the eyes of the law. Bee HARDWARE, on the other hand, is definitely property that's subject to the "try to give it back to the rightful owner" laws. > So, if my bees swarm and wander off my property, what are my legal rights, To the best of my knowledge, you have none, unless you follow them and put them in a hive. > or, what are your legal rights if it is your swarm that wanders onto my Same as yours, listed in full in my previous sentence. > land? Regardless of the law, what is common and accepted practice? Do I > take a picture of the swarm and post it at the local bee shelter? Common and accepted practice (as far as I've been able to determine in my "rookiehood") for a swarm of unknown origin is "You catch it, you keep it, end of discussion." Disclaimer: IANAL! I don't even play one on TV! :) -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 30048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 02:00:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p22.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30048 On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 09:31:59 -0400, "Doug Lindhout" wrote: >We got a call from the neighbors the other night. Seems a swarm had settled >on one of their trees in front of their house. So, despite having never >captured a swarm before, my wife and I got them out of the tree, hived them >up, and now the queen is laying lots of eggs in one of my hives, thank you >very much. > >But this process got me to thinking.... >When I purchased my other bees, I *owned* them. Just like my dog, just >like my horses. >Now, if my dog or one of my horses wanders off, either I'll find them and >return them, or a neighbor or someone else will get the word back to me to >come pick them up. I don't know the law regarding this, but what I >described seems to consistently work in practice. >So, if my bees swarm and wander off my property, what are my legal rights, >or, what are your legal rights if it is your swarm that wanders onto my >land? Regardless of the law, what is common and accepted practice? Do I >take a picture of the swarm and post it at the local bee shelter? > >I would appreciate your thoughts on this. > > > > Bees are not considered domesticated animals. Whoever finds the swarm owns them. Even a bee tree found on someonelses property is the property of the finder who puts his initials on the tree. You do need permission to cut the tree though. beekeep Article 30049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Jun 2001 02:10:37 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Splits Message-ID: <20010603221037.07451.00000862@ng-bd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30049 Give it few more day. The weather might hold up. Article 30050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net (Miss Pamb) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long is honey flow? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 22:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <717-3B1AEC90-156@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAp+yxdNndDZXinH27l1nGU899KUsCFCnm9pKx29jE6tAI415gYpf9OeFr Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30050 ts83 asked earlier: I live in the central Georgia area. Does anyone have any info on planting nectar/pollen sources for bees. Is it possible to have a honey flow all summer? I live in N.W. Georgia. Same question. How long is the honey flow? Article 30051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net (Miss Pamb) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long is honey flow? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 22:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <717-3B1AECBF-157@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAnfGVd5jflK9NJRBwoc0uNP34DNgCFGOx02mohApz+bSxu+tj93h6sWZz Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30051 ts83 asked earlier: I live in the central Georgia area. Does anyone have any info on planting nectar/pollen sources for bees. Is it possible to have a honey flow all summer? Article 30052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!feeder.via.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!207.207.0.26!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 21:53:45 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-uFyUqUwZC+U4nCkARCkSCuSmX029wUhOgDjYb/nzpxhHR5QjevJZwlgHuvEbkxBDF3GqzYSHVJzqHjr!q20krQmZK09TA0b8BY0kr42/itbwkpADTx5ZtclMssg7dEgQwpCO8kUSoxY0AAbtfrQ/ph1nE/zY!nw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 19:56:07 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30052 "beekeep" wrote in message news:3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net... > Bees are not considered domesticated animals. Whoever finds the swarm > owns them. Even a bee tree found on someonelses property is the > property of the finder who puts his initials on the tree. You do need > permission to cut the tree though. Wouldn't this depend on what country, state, province, etc. one might be a resident of? I don't recall where the original poster was from, or if he/she even said, but the last I heard local laws vary considerably by jurisdiction... Skip -- Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 30053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thinner in the spring? (Was why thicker in the fall) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 23:27:47 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9feu3f$1hv$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> <9fb8ra$c9a$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <7DcS6.1413$ZW.396946@news20.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.49.ee X-Server-Date: 4 Jun 2001 03:08:31 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30053 Hello Pete What method did you use to feed the honey back to the bees? I have some honey I need to feed back to the bees, I contaminated it with Apistan. I will feed it back in the winter. I live in Central Georgia. David A. Pete wrote in message news:bc3bf29.0106021929.179c32f8@posting.google.com... > Howdy again Frank -- > On Feb 1 this year I started feeding about 45 gallons of last > year's honey undiluted. It worked fine and population exploded. > When I feed sugar syrup in the spring to stimulate brood production, > I make it 1:1 primarily because it is quick and simple to mix in > tap water without having to heat water to make a 2:1 mix. > > Pete > ********************************************************** Article 30054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 22:26:35 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.31.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 991624559 208.235.31.48 (Sun, 03 Jun 2001 23:15:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 23:15:59 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30054 beekeep wrote: > Even a bee tree found on someonelses property is the > property of the finder who puts his initials on the tree. Bullshit! If you think you can come on to *my* property and claim them, you have another think coming. Carve your initials into one of my trees? I think not. Once they cross the line onto my land *you* stop - otherwise its trespassing. Survivors will be prosecuted. AL Article 30055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Jun 2001 05:04:23 GMT References: <3fyS6.1155$to1.1619@typhoon.sonic.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Message-ID: <20010604010423.27632.00002566@ng-xb1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30055 >Legally, I don't think bees are counted as livestock, Actually bees are livestock and is therefore a federal crime to kill them. As for a swarm there is virtually no way to identify or mark bees so how can you even guess? my two cents worth anyway Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 30056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 11:43:47 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3b1b73f0.232441373@news1.radix.net> References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30056 On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 22:26:35 -0700, AL wrote: >beekeep wrote: > > > >> Even a bee tree found on someonelses property is the >> property of the finder who puts his initials on the tree. > > > >Bullshit! > >If you think you can come on to *my* property and claim them, you have >another think coming. Carve your initials into one of my trees? I think >not. Once they cross the line onto my land *you* stop - otherwise its >trespassing. Survivors will be prosecuted. > > >AL This may be true but you can't touch them either! If you do you can be prosecuted for stealing. It has happened. beekeep Article 30057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 11:44:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3b1b747c.232581484@news1.radix.net> References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30057 I am talking about the U.S. beekeep On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 19:56:07 -0700, "The Rock Garden" wrote: > > >"beekeep" wrote in message >news:3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net... > >> Bees are not considered domesticated animals. Whoever finds the swarm >> owns them. Even a bee tree found on someonelses property is the >> property of the finder who puts his initials on the tree. You do need >> permission to cut the tree though. > > >Wouldn't this depend on what country, state, province, etc. one might be a >resident of? I don't recall where the original poster was from, or if >he/she even said, but the last I heard local laws vary considerably by >jurisdiction... > >Skip > >-- >Skip & Christy Hensler >THE ROCK GARDEN >Newport, WA >http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > > > Article 30058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Jun 2001 13:03:29 GMT References: <20010604010423.27632.00002566@ng-xb1.news.cs.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Message-ID: <20010604090329.21359.00002327@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30058 If a swarm settles into my front hedge and the bees manage to sting my neighbors the swarm belongs to you. If I manage to hive the swarm the swarm belongs to me. Article 30059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1BBA24.2F82EA28@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> <3b1b73f0.232441373@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 09:41:08 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.5.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 991665651 208.235.5.18 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 10:40:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 10:40:51 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30059 beekeep wrote: > > lithar@midwest.net wrote: > > >beekeep wrote: > > > > > > > >> Even a bee tree found on someonelses property is the > >> property of the finder who puts his initials on the tree. > > > >If you think you can come on to *my* property and claim them, you have > >another think coming. > > > >AL > > This may be true but you can't touch them either! Watch me, heh heh heh > If you do you can be prosecuted for stealing. Stealing *what*? They are feral bees. (From Webster's, feral - 2a: not domesticated or cultivated: WILD b: having escaped from domestication and become wild) AND, they are in *my* tree on *my* property and *you* are in jail/hospital for trespassing :) AL Article 30060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thinner in the spring? (Was why thicker in the fall) Date: 4 Jun 2001 08:40:58 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> <9fb8ra$c9a$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <7DcS6.1413$ZW.396946@news20.bellglobal.com> <9feu3f$1hv$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.199.153 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991669258 20894 127.0.0.1 (4 Jun 2001 15:40:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2001 15:40:58 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30060 Howdy David -- I used top feeders on top of the hive so they are easily visible and do not incite robbing as an entrance tends to do, or drowning as is common with an internal feeder. I used temporary board tops (plywood etc) and cut a hole in the top to accompany a regular fruit jar lid. Punch 10 or so small holes in the lid with a small frame nail so the undiluted honey can be taken easily. the honey will not freeze and break the jar. If you plan on feeding for winter food, that you start about October 1 so the bees will have time to store it in combs. Of course the honey can be stored "as is" without having to evapordate extra water as would have to be done with diluted honey or nectar. Emergency winter feeding can be done the same way because the cluster can form around the jar lid at its center. That is not as effective as clustering on honey, but is more effective than sugar or sugar candy on the inner cover or internal feeders. Pete ********************************************************* Article 30061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B189372.65C8946C@airtel.net> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 09:19:14 +0200 From: "Jose Matas (Airtel)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bacillus thuringiensis References: <3B176EA4.61A6708F@airtel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.73 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.73 X-Trace: 4 Jun 2001 18:02:13 +0100, 212.166.131.73 Lines: 64 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news!212.166.131.73 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30061 Dave: First thanks for the info. Could you indentify the "New supplier", since here in Mallorca, Europe I have no way to identify it. Best wishes, David Eyre wrote: > We have imported for a number of years 'Certan' for use against wax moth. It > is the only biological larvaecide which is formulated for wax moth. > New supplier, price $14.32 enough to treat 110 frames. Works well. > Regards Dave..... > -- > ******************************************** > The Bee Works, > 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, > Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 > 705 326 7171 > http://www.beeworks.com > *************************************** > > "Jose Matas (Airtel)" wrote in message > news:3B176EA4.61A6708F@airtel.net... > > I read in the "organic" and "bio" law that this bacilus is allow to be > > used against > > moth(s). The EPA Biological & Economic Analysis Division, the French > > and European Union recomend its use. > > > > The only information that I could find was an EPA document for > > reregistration of > > it, as a Microbial Pesticide: > > > > Bacillus thuringiensis (all subspecies) > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies israelensis > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies aizawai > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies tenebrionis > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki BMP123 > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2424 > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2371 > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2348 > > OPP Chemical Code: 006424 > > > > And the Trade Names: > > Vectobac, Dipel, Biobit WP, Biobit FC, Skeetal FC, Foray, Futura, > > Javelin, Bactospeine, > > Bactimos, M-one, Thuricide-HPC, Larvo-BT, Trident, Ditera, Novodor, > > Xentari, BMP > > 123, Condor, Cutlass, Foil, Agree, Raven, Able, Crymax > > > > Any expereince cultivating this bacilus and aplication at the hive. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jose Matas. > > Article 30062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: "scott moser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:30:56 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <9fgd490n60@enews1.newsguy.com> References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> <3b1b73f0.232441373@news1.radix.net> <3B1BBA24.2F82EA28@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.123.245.60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30062 Interesting post! Whole wars have been started over bee trees. If I remember correctly, Iowa, and Missouri got into a war over a bee tree located on the border of the two states. At one time, it was common practice to "mark" a bee tree, and no one else could touch it except the person who marked it, even if it was on anothers property. This was back in the days of free roaming livestock and such. When communities of people felt that sharing what they had, including land, was a good thing. Back before you needed permission or exclusive hunting rights to hunt on someones property! Today most people have become very greedy about what they own. You can tell too, they are the ones who post their property every 20 feet with eyesore signs or purple paint, or threaten to lock you up! If you are gonna be that paranoid, move back to the city where you came from! These are the same people that wonder why their neighbors never accept them into the community, or think they are "odd ducks". Now, where I come from, if a bee tree is found on anothers property, you quietly harvest the honey and the bees, and hope the landowner never finds out. It is only against the law when you get caught! :) Good luck! Article 30063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!165.113.238.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: "scott moser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to add supers... Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:11:37 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <9fgc0a0l9s@enews1.newsguy.com> References: <3B194B00.1DF496DC@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.123.245.60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30063 There are other ways to add winter ventilation/entrances to hives without boring holes in perfectly good equipment. Two good methods come to mind that are far less destructive than using a drill and bit on the hive. The first way is to use a shim that goes between 2 supers called an Imirie shim. Basically, it is a narrow shim with an entrance already cut into it. Works great as a winter entrance if used on the uppermost hive body below the inner cover. It also makes a great second entrance that can be used above a queen excluder so the bees dont have to travel through the crowded brood boxes. Yes, it DOES violate bee space, but the bees seem to keep burr comb to a minimum when using one. Brushy Mountain sells them, or you can easily design and make your own. I have used them for about 3 years now, and they are great! A tip of the hive tool to George Imirie for designing such a neat item! The second way is to cut a groove in the upper edge (top rim) of your inner cover. I make my own inner covers, and include a 3/8" deep, 1 1/2 inch wide groove in the inner cover to allow for ventilation, and as a winter opening if needed. I know how the bored holes got started, but personally, they can be a pain because they are never in the right place, they have to be plugged up, and they are another place that rot can start. I have been given, and bought some used equipment over the years that had holes bored into them. Unless the box is in extraordinarily good condition, if it has a bored hole in a handhold, it gets sacrificed in a fire to the bee Gods! IMHO, but the boring of holes in supers is a practice that should be given up for good. Good luck with your hives! Scott Moser Article 30064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!207.207.0.26!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3b1b747c.232581484@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Lines: 62 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <50QS6.22976$Uo3.848550@news6.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 12:59:29 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-LDrWUvpxkK5yniVgnXdzOmmUNbV04MtvUgrmxu9s1Z2nCsjjP0lJ/m2amxdZxQ0iiHFV4wEZ9yalwUB!jrwyrBFuMs7ya1Wu9289pzbK8Tr40fsZBlShlCJxsZjd7MZblUl+20PTiWRwIusHkXFCn6WdRyt/!vg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:53:53 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30064 You may very well be correct for whatever part of the U. S. you live in but, with all due respect, I can assure you that your blanket statement doesn't apply equally to property laws throughout the country as a whole. Here in Wash. state only tax assessors, game wardens, land surveyors and sheriff's deputies (under certain circumstances) may legally enter private property without either a warrant or the landowners permission . There is one exception where one can enter non-agricultural private property that is neither fenced or posted to hunt, but even then cutting down a bee tree, or carving one's initials into it, could be deemed as destruction of private property. The laws/regulations on federal and state property are just as strict, and if you have any plans on removing *anything* from these lands without the proper permit you best have your bail bondsman on your speed dialer... I'm not sure if all states have their criminal code on the Net, but here one can research on line the RCWs and WACs for any portion of the law they might have a question about. If this information isn't readily available, perhaps a call to the local county extension agent or prosecutor's office might answer the question more accurately for the jurisdiction in question than free, one-size-fits-all, legal advice? Skip - Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ "beekeep" wrote in message news:3b1b747c.232581484@news1.radix.net... > I am talking about the U.S. > >"beekeep" wrote in message > >news:3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net... > > > >> Bees are not considered domesticated animals. Whoever finds the swarm > >> owns them. Even a bee tree found on someonelses property is the > >> property of the finder who puts his initials on the tree. You do need > >> permission to cut the tree though. > On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 19:56:07 -0700, "The Rock Garden" > wrote: > >Wouldn't this depend on what country, state, province, etc. one might be a > >resident of? I don't recall where the original poster was from, or if > >he/she even said, but the last I heard local laws vary considerably by > >jurisdiction... Article 30065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!207.35.177.132.MISMATCH!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ants under the topcover Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 14:18:41 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.223.15 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 991678484 216.209.223.15 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 14:14:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 14:14:44 EDT Organization: Bell Nexxia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30065 I examined my hives today, and found a few hundred small ants between the top and inside covers. There was no evidence of damage to the hive or other construction by the ants, and there did not seem to be any significant number inside the hive. Should I be concerned? Frank. Article 30066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sun-bathing Bees? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:20:41 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30066 It has really started to get hot here in central Texas, where I keep my bees. I've started to notice that a great many of my bees have what looks to be, "sun-bleached" hair on the backs of their thorax. Is this what it is and is it normal? If it isn't, is it something I should be worried about, like a fungus or parasite or something? Article 30067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 22:18:44 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3b1c08bd.24381943@news1.radix.net> References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> <3b1b73f0.232441373@news1.radix.net> <3B1BBA24.2F82EA28@midwest.net> <9fgd490n60@enews1.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p44.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30067 On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:30:56 -0500, "scott moser" wrote: >Interesting post! Whole wars have been started over bee trees. If I >remember correctly, Iowa, and Missouri got into a war over a bee tree >located on the border of the two states. At one time, it was common practice >to "mark" a bee tree, and no one else could touch it except the person who >marked it, even if it was on anothers property. This was back in the days >of free roaming livestock and such. When communities of people felt that >sharing what they had, including land, was a good thing. Back before you >needed permission or exclusive hunting rights to hunt on someones property! >Today most people have become very greedy about what they own. You can tell >too, they are the ones who post their property every 20 feet with eyesore >signs or purple paint, or threaten to lock you up! If you are gonna be that >paranoid, move back to the city where you came from! These are the same >people that wonder why their neighbors never accept them into the community, >or think they are "odd ducks". Now, where I come from, if a bee tree is >found on anothers property, you quietly harvest the honey and the bees, and >hope the landowner never finds out. It is only against the law when you get >caught! :) Good luck! > > True, most of the bee tree laws are very old, going back 100+ years or so when sweetners were at a premium. There are many many old laws on the books that are for the most part overlooked. But they are still law! beekeep Article 30068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C27BC.9528BD5F@northnet.org> From: Lady Java Reply-To: piercerb-java@northnet.org Organization: Noah's Ark Fairies & Wee Ones X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Adding a second super? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:24:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.94.61 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 991697071 205.232.94.61 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:24:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:24:31 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30068 Greetings all - A quick question... I'm headed into my second year with my bees, and this year I get to actually maybe get some honey from them... I've got one hive that is ready for a second super, my question is, where does this second super go? Above or under to first one? And does this first super, when it's full, stay on the hive, or do I take it off and store it somewhere? Thanks in advance... Jen Article 30069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to add supers... From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3B194B00.1DF496DC@yahoo.com> <9fgc0a0l9s@enews1.newsguy.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.05.11 Lines: 24 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:35:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.181 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 991697755 198.161.229.181 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 17:35:55 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 17:35:55 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30069 "scott moser" posted > IMHO, but > the boring of holes in supers is a practice that should be given up for > good. Gee, Scott. That's a strong position. I hope it only applies to your own boxes and that you are not trying to tell others what they must do -- especially those of us who have been around the block a few times and have decided after careful consideration that holes in the right place are essential to our management systems. Farrar (who apparently was a pretty savvy beekeeper) would roll over in his grave, and a lot of very good beekeepers would have to start carrying around and storing a bunch of extra equipment. The shims *may* make sense for hobbyists, but I doubt any commercial operator would seriously consider them after trying them for a while. They are one more thing to have the wrong number of -- and they are hard to stack on a truck. Moreover they are easy to break and cost money. Holes on the other hand are easy to transport -- and I can buy a whole truckload of holes for free. allen Article 30070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B1C27BC.9528BD5F@northnet.org> Subject: Re: Adding a second super? Lines: 32 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:42:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 991698138 12.73.40.127 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:42:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:42:18 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30070 Why make extra work for yourself. Put it on top unless you are making comb honey (with comb honey you want to minimize travel stains). The full one can either remain, be removed and stored (watch out for wax moth and fermentation though unless you put it in a freezer), or be extracted and returned to the hive (they will refill it really quick). Obviously, the last option won't work with comb honey. If I don't have the time I go with the first option (leave it on). It will be preserved under ideal conditions. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Lady Java" wrote in message news:3B1C27BC.9528BD5F@northnet.org... > Greetings all - > > A quick question... I'm headed into my second year with my bees, and > this year I get to actually maybe get some honey from them... I've got > one hive that is ready for a second super, my question is, where does > this second super go? Above or under to first one? And does this first > super, when it's full, stay on the hive, or do I take it off and store > it somewhere? Thanks in advance... > > Jen > > Article 30071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.72!wnfilter2!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Sun-bathing Bees? Lines: 24 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:42:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 991698137 12.73.40.127 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:42:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:42:17 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30071 Russians trying to look like Americans? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "CharlesW" wrote in message news:thnutih5ralacc@corp.supernews.com... > It has really started to get hot here in central Texas, where I keep my > bees. I've started to notice that a great many of my bees have what looks to > be, "sun-bleached" hair on the backs of their thorax. Is this what it is and > is it normal? If it isn't, is it something I should be worried about, like a > fungus or parasite or something? > > Article 30072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!dca6-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C1F2D.3A4B8E8E@mail.tqci.net> From: Christopher Drazba X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee stings, and body reaction. References: <3B0D65F9.38237617@home.com> <3B0FB09E.3452DE77@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:52:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.244.8.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net 991698723 64.244.8.120 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:52:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:52:03 EDT Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30072 This is a question best answered by an allergist. That said, a friend of mine's doctor told him he has only a few minutes to stick himself with an epinephrine pen before his airway closes down (he is severely allergic). So, if you really are developing an allergic reaction, you could be dead in a few minutes. Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > > In article <3B0FB09E.3452DE77@bellsouth.net>, Dina and Don Hess > wrote: > > > if you're having > > a systemic reaction there's no telling how far it'll go. > > > > How long would it take for this kind of reaction to kill you? > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C25A3.E51D8060@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> <3b1b73f0.232441373@news1.radix.net> <3B1BBA24.2F82EA28@midwest.net> <9fgd490n60@enews1.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:19:47 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 991700144 208.13.202.199 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:15:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:15:44 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30073 Who's the odd duck Scott. It's only right to ask the landowners permission to cut a bee tree. This is exactly why people post their land. It's only illegal if you get caught? You also never feel the bullet that kills you. scott moser wrote: > Interesting post! Whole wars have been started over bee trees. If I > remember correctly, Iowa, and Missouri got into a war over a bee tree > located on the border of the two states. If you are gonna be that > paranoid, move back to the city where you came from! These are the same > people that wonder why their neighbors never accept them into the community, > or think they are "odd ducks". Now, where I come from, if a bee tree is > found on anothers property, you quietly harvest the honey and the bees, and > hope the landowner never finds out. It is only against the law when you get > caught! :) Good luck! Article 30074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C2701.FE1EF675@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sun-bathing Bees? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:25:37 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 991700492 208.13.202.199 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:21:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:21:32 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30074 In my area it means that the bees are working chickory. We call them "stripers." Must be from the way the anthers are located on the flowers that puts the pollen on the bee's back? CharlesW wrote: > It has really started to get hot here in central Texas, where I keep my > bees. I've started to notice that a great many of my bees have what looks to > be, "sun-bleached" hair on the backs of their thorax. Is this what it is and > is it normal? If it isn't, is it something I should be worried about, like a > fungus or parasite or something? Article 30075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C267B.68FAC603@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ants under the topcover References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:23:23 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 991700355 208.13.202.199 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:19:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:19:15 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30075 Does your inner cover have an escape hole? As long as the bees have access to the space there will be no ants. Frank wrote: > I examined my hives today, and found a few hundred small ants between the > top and inside covers. There was no evidence of damage to the hive or other > construction by the ants, and there did not seem to be any significant > number inside the hive. > > Should I be concerned? > > Frank. Article 30076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C27C7.4A70BB1E@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to add supers... References: <3B194B00.1DF496DC@yahoo.com> <9fgc0a0l9s@enews1.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:28:55 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 991700693 208.13.202.199 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:24:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:24:53 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30076 This has to be the best line I've heard in awhile. Thanks Allen for the smiles. Allen Dick wrote: > > Holes on the other hand are easy to transport -- and I can buy a whole > truckload of holes for free. > > allen Article 30077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3b1b747c.232581484@news1.radix.net> <50QS6.22976$Uo3.848550@news6.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 17:37:16 -0700 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-177.reachone.com Message-ID: <3b1c2890@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 4 Jun 2001 17:32:16 -0700, tc1-177.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-177.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30077 The Rock Garden wrote in message <50QS6.22976$Uo3.848550@news6.giganews.com>... >Here in Wash. state only tax assessors, game wardens, land surveyors and >sheriff's deputies (under certain circumstances) may legally enter private >property without either a warrant or the landowners permission . As a resident of rural Wash. state, I'd add that it ain't safe to enter private property without permission, either. Article 30078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C47AC.BEDA4FE@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> <3b1b73f0.232441373@news1.radix.net> <3B1BBA24.2F82EA28@midwest.net> <9fgd490n60@enews1.newsguy.com> <3B1C25A3.E51D8060@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:45:00 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.31.51 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 991701336 208.235.31.51 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:35:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:35:36 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30078 I could only conclude that Scott's post was "tongue-in-cheek", or he was simply spouting burb-brained gibberish. Either way it was clearly not worth taking seriously. However, he does seem to harbor a propensity for trespassing and theft - there are trained professionals that can help him with that. AL michael palmer wrote: > > Who's the odd duck Scott. It's only right to ask the landowners permission to > cut a bee tree. This is exactly why people post their land. It's only illegal if > you get caught? You also never feel the bullet that kills you. > > scott moser wrote: > > > Interesting post! Whole wars have been started over bee trees. If I > > remember correctly, Iowa, and Missouri got into a war over a bee tree > > located on the border of the two states. If you are gonna be that > > paranoid, move back to the city where you came from! These are the same > > people that wonder why their neighbors never accept them into the community, > > or think they are "odd ducks". Now, where I come from, if a bee tree is > > found on anothers property, you quietly harvest the honey and the bees, and > > hope the landowner never finds out. It is only against the law when you get > > caught! :) Good luck! Article 30079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C4830.780F5A08@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> <3b1b73f0.232441373@news1.radix.net> <3B1BBA24.2F82EA28@midwest.net> <9fgd490n60@enews1.newsguy.com> <3b1c08bd.24381943@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:47:12 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.31.51 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 991701450 208.235.31.51 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:37:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:37:30 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30079 beekeep wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:30:56 -0500, "scott moser" > wrote: > > >Interesting post! Whole wars have been started over bee trees. If I > >remember correctly, Iowa, and Missouri got into a war over a bee tree > >located on the border of the two states. At one time, it was common practice > >to "mark" a bee tree, and no one else could touch it except the person who > >marked it, even if it was on anothers property. This was back in the days > >of free roaming livestock and such. When communities of people felt that > >sharing what they had, including land, was a good thing. Back before you > >needed permission or exclusive hunting rights to hunt on someones property! > >Today most people have become very greedy about what they own. You can tell > >too, they are the ones who post their property every 20 feet with eyesore > >signs or purple paint, or threaten to lock you up! If you are gonna be that > >paranoid, move back to the city where you came from! These are the same > >people that wonder why their neighbors never accept them into the community, > >or think they are "odd ducks". Now, where I come from, if a bee tree is > >found on anothers property, you quietly harvest the honey and the bees, and > >hope the landowner never finds out. It is only against the law when you get > >caught! :) Good luck! > > > > > True, most of the bee tree laws are very old, going back 100+ years or > so when sweetners were at a premium. There are many many old laws on > the books that are for the most part overlooked. But they are still > law! > > beekeep > Yeah, like archaic laws governing how you may "interact" with your significant other. Fortunately there are privacy and property laws (see U.S. Constitution) that allow *you* to decide who gets to look into your bedroom or has access to your property. AL Article 30080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-005cocsprp060.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding a second super? Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:37:07 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <3B1C27BC.9528BD5F@northnet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.f4.2c X-Server-Date: 5 Jun 2001 01:37:38 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30080 In article , "George Styer" wrote: > Why make extra work for yourself. Put it on top unless you are making comb > honey (with comb honey you want to minimize travel stains). The full one can > either remain, be removed and stored (watch out for wax moth and > fermentation though unless you put it in a freezer), or be extracted and > returned to the hive (they will refill it really quick). Obviously, the last > option won't work with comb honey. If I don't have the time I go with the > first option (leave it on). It will be preserved under ideal conditions. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there George, are you suggesting that, for cut comb honey, one should put the honey super BELOW the brood boxes, with a queen excluder on top it? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B1C267B.68FAC603@together.net> Subject: Re: ants under the topcover Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:10:37 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.116.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 991703200 209.226.116.109 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 21:06:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 21:06:40 EDT Organization: Bell Nexxia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30081 "michael palmer" wrote in message news:3B1C267B.68FAC603@together.net... > Does your inner cover have an escape hole? As long as the bees have access to > the space there will be no ants. There is no hole that allows the bees access to the top of the inner cover, and I'm not sure if they could get through it if there was - the outer cover sits fairly tightly on it (although it apparently leaves enough room for the ants!) You can see a picture by clicking opn "Hives" at this URL, where I have begun documenting what I learn as I learn it: http://www.frank.net/entrances/beekeeping_entrance.htm You cannot even see the inside covers in these pictures, as the outside coverslides down around it. (I've been wondering - is this what is meant by a "Telescoping" cover?) Would you recommend adding a hole just so that the bees can get up there and drive out the ants? (How do bees drive away ants - do they bite them? They seem much to small, and perhaps to numerous, to sting.) Frank. Article 30082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hiving a swarm... (Need advice) Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 51 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 02:39:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 991708790 209.204.149.203 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:39:50 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:39:50 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30082 Greetings First off, this is gonna be short, fast and sweet, so pardon any "word fumbles", please... Rookie beeman here... Been reading lots, and have a couple of 10 frame hive bodies with frames (Plasticell foundation, I think) and a 5 frame "micro-hive", also with the plasticell frames. Been getting ready to start a hive or two with 'em. No bees as of yet, but that may change tonight... I've just spotted a swarm here on our property in northern california. I strongly suspect it was thrown by a feral hive that's been nesting in a branch of one of our oak trees for the past two years. For obvious reasons, I want to put it in a hive. I'm figuring the small 5-frame would be the best bet in terms of "just get 'em parked before they head out for elsewhere" Only problem: The swarm has set itself up on a twig of another oak tree about 20 yards from where the main colony is, and about 40-50 feet in the air. Any advice, short of a bucket truck? Or am I doomed to watch this swarm vanish into the sunset? As I type this, it's about 7:30 PM local time, and the swarm is quietly squirming around on the twig, with the sun getting ready to go down. I've tried tossing a string to carry a rope up over the branch and shake them down, but the best I've managed with that has been to shake loose a small segment of the swarm, which promptly disintegrated as it fell, and regrouped with the main body up on the branch. Other ideas? I'd rather not lose a swarm that's almost certainly from "wild" stock that's made it for 2+ years without human assistance in an area that was nearly wiped out completely just a few years ago by varroa. Quick responses appreciated... Email address is good, and my mail-server is fast if you think you can get to me quicker that way. Thanks, guys... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 30083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hiving a swarm... (Need advice) Date: 4 Jun 2001 21:47:48 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991716469 30036 127.0.0.1 (5 Jun 2001 04:47:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 2001 04:47:49 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30083 Howdy Don -- Short and sweet. You are probably out of luck. By all means, don't risk your neck. Your best bet is to place your empty BIG hive near the swarm at a height of 6 or 8 feet if possible. Just maybe they will locate and adopt it as a home. It would help if you had old comb to use, but no such luck. Pete ********************************************* Article 30084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hiving a swarm... (Need advice) Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 51 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 05:31:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 991719085 209.204.149.203 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 22:31:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 22:31:25 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30084 In article , hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) wrote: > Howdy Don -- > > Short and sweet. You are probably out of luck. By all means, > don't risk your neck. Your best bet is to place your empty BIG hive > near the swarm at a height of 6 or 8 feet if possible. Just maybe > they will locate and adopt it as a home. > > It would help if you had old comb to use, but no such luck. Nope... The comb that was on these frames was super skanky - moth-eaten, crusted over by mud-dauber wasps, mouse-crushed, or sun-melted into globs. So I scraped 'em down. Didn't hot-water them to strip it completely, just scraped the worst off, following the idea that I've been reading over and over: "A decent hive will clean up almost anything." Risk my neck? For a blob of bees? You're kidding, right? :) OK, OK, I admit it... I was having *SERIOUS* thoughts about going up the tree with the chainsaw and a line, tying off the branch, cutting it loose, then lowering it. Decided against, though, since I figured that the bees would probably be driven away by the vibration when I started cutting. Meanwhile, it's full dark now, and last I saw, the swarm had formed up into a roughly basketball-sized mass, with only a tiny handful of "loose" bees moving around it against the fading light in the sky. I've put out both the "big" hive, and the little one below the swarm, near the horse-bucket that I saw quite a few bees drinking from just after I first spotted the swarm. Idunno how wise it might or might not be, but I put a few drops of store-bought (claims to be pastuerized, so I figure it's at least going to do no harm in terms of disease) honey on the landing boards, and a bit more inside on the bottom board as bait. And left instructions to the landlord to not go near 'em if they're buzzing in the morning! :) Guess I'll see what, if anything, has happened with them come daylight. Maybe lady luck will smile on me, and when I check in the morning, I'll find that they've moved in and set up housekeeping... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 30085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1CBAD2.91C620D0@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ants under the topcover References: <3B1C267B.68FAC603@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 06:56:18 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.195 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 991738302 206.231.24.195 (Tue, 05 Jun 2001 06:51:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 06:51:42 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30085 Well there you go Frank. An inner cover should be flat on one side, and have a 3/8 rim on the other. Rim side goes up in the summer. Drill a 1 1/2" hole in the inner cover. If you don't want to add a rim to your inner cover, prop the frone edge of the outer cover on the inner cover. This will allow the bees access to the space. Frank wrote: > "michael palmer" wrote in message > news:3B1C267B.68FAC603@together.net... > > Does your inner cover have an escape hole? As long as the bees have access > to > > the space there will be no ants. > > There is no hole that allows the bees access to the top of the inner cover, > and I'm not sure if they could get through it if there was - the outer cover > sits fairly tightly on it (although it apparently leaves enough room for the > ants!) Article 30086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee stings, and body reaction. Date: 5 Jun 2001 08:24:48 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3b1ccf90$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: <3B0D65F9.38237617@home.com> <3B0FB09E.3452DE77@bellsouth.net> <3B1C1F2D.3A4B8E8E@mail.tqci.net> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.66.33 X-Original-Trace: 5 Jun 2001 08:24:48 -0400, 141.219.66.33 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30086 Christopher Drazba wrote: > This is a question best answered by an allergist. > That said, a friend of mine's doctor told him he has > only a few minutes to stick himself with an epinephrine > pen before his airway closes down (he is severely allergic). > So, if you really are developing an allergic reaction, > you could be dead in a few minutes. You know, this brings up something I've been wondering about. Say you are one of the people who has an anaphylactic reaction to beestings, and say you forgot your epi-pen, and got stung. No epinephrine, and you feel your throat closing up . . . Epinephrine (also known as adrenalin) is what is secreted by your adrenal glands when you are scared or angry. Is it worthwhile to whip yourself into a panic/fury to get your adrenals pumping out epinephrine? How does this compare with the dose from an epi-pen? -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 30087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: "scott moser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 07:38:39 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <9fijsq0t78@enews1.newsguy.com> References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> <3b1b73f0.232441373@news1.radix.net> <3B1BBA24.2F82EA28@midwest.net> <9fgd490n60@enews1.newsguy.com> <3B1C25A3.E51D8060@together.net> <3B1C47AC.BEDA4FE@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.123.245.37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30087 Greetings again! Sorry to those who took the post too seriously. I guess you didn't have your spectacles on to notice the little "smile face" at the end of that post! It was indeed meant as a tongue in cheek look at something not worth arguing over! If I located a bee tree (in today's age, that is a mighty big "if"), and I felt it was worth messing with (to me, it is easier to rob my own hives), it is easy enough to gain permission to get the honey/bees. Most landowners I know would not mind, as long as you clean up your mess. Most still have fears of "Killer bees" and dont want bees on their property that aren't kept in hives. Unless that person is a beekeeper, they probably have little if any need for them, and more than likely will tell you to take them. As for swarms, it is suggested to ask permission before collecting the swarm whether it is yours or not. Again, unless they are beekeepers, I dont think anyone will argue about the origins of the swarm. As for the trespassing part, truly I can say I dont know what it is. When you grow up in a community like I am from, fairly small, most of it family and long time friends, you dont need permission to enter anothers property. Everyone knows what you drive, and if they go out on the front porch and see your vehicle parked out by the barn, they know you are there on legitimate business, and most often, they will either leave you a note, or make sure they catch up with you later to tell you where they last saw that big buck, or heard the turkeys gobble the day before. Happy beekeeping! Article 30088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Agressive bees Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 08:41:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B1CE182.E2864DEE@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30088 I have a hive that is getting more aggressive as the season goes on. It's a new have, pkg bees and queen. New brood is hatching and the bees are getting aggressive. Smoke is barely effective when opening the hive. I even got stung just putting a new jar of syrup out (first time that's happened!). Any advice? No I need to re-queen with a more docile breed? I have 2 hives. Both from the same apiary at the same time. The other hive is very docile! I am in SW Missouri. Taylor Article 30089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B1C267B.68FAC603@together.net> <3B1CBAD2.91C620D0@together.net> Subject: Re: ants under the topcover Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:47:50 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.223.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 991748399 216.209.223.127 (Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:39:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:39:59 EDT Organization: Bell Nexxia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30089 "michael palmer" wrote: > Well there you go Frank. An inner cover should be flat on one side, and have a > 3/8 rim on the other. Rim side goes up in the summer. Drill a 1 1/2" hole in the > inner cover. If you don't want to add a rim to your inner cover, prop the frone > edge of the outer cover on the inner cover. This will allow the bees access to > the space. I was in error - my inside cover actually has a bee-space sized rim on both sides. The side I have down has a small cutout to provide a small entrance - the upper side has no cutout in the rim. If I reverse the inside cover and change nothing else then the bees will be able to enter the space where the ants are (but only from outside) and there will be no top entrance. Is drilling a hole in the inside cover standard practice? (And if so, is it standard practice to sell inside covers without this hole?) Thanks btw to those who have been anwering my questions. I shall do the same one day when I've learned enough to be able to. Frank. Article 30090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1D02ED.3837F2BA@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sun-bathing Bees? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:03:57 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.142 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 991749786 209.248.4.142 (Tue, 05 Jun 2001 10:03:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 10:03:06 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30090 CharlesW wrote: > > I've started to notice that a great many of my bees have what looks to > be, "sun-bleached" hair on the backs of their thorax. Is this what it is and > is it normal? If it isn't, is it something I should be worried about Just sounds like a phase they're going through, I wouldn't worry just yet. But if they start getting into tattoos and body piercing, I'd put a stop to that immediately. AL Article 30091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "scott moser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to add supers... Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 08:18:56 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9fim8s02pse@enews2.newsguy.com> References: <3B194B00.1DF496DC@yahoo.com> <9fgc0a0l9s@enews1.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.123.245.39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30091 Greetings Allen, I can see your position as well, from a commercial standpoint. Though why not stagger supers to allow these extra openings? In reality, it is probably no more area for the bees to defend. My main complaint was with holes in the handholds. Elsewhere on the body, they can be covered up easily with tin. Bored holes in the handholds tend to get enlarged and weaken with time. What I said was MY opinion, (which in the U.S. we are guaranteed by our constitution). Maybe Taylor had not been told that there are options out there. Someone spouting text may have told them there was only 1 way to do it! That is the great thing about beekeeping, there is more than one way to do things, and low and behold It WORKS! As for the rest of the post, one cant argue with fools and old farts! Article 30092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Hiving a swarm... (Need advice) X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B1CECEA.2BE29DF5@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:30:02 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30092 You might try adding some swarm lure to your bait box. Something lemony smelling. Lemon Pledge maybe? Lemon grass? This might attract a scout bee or two to your box. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 30093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to add supers... From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3B194B00.1DF496DC@yahoo.com> <9fgc0a0l9s@enews1.newsguy.com> <9fim8s02pse@enews2.newsguy.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.05.11 Lines: 40 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 14:51:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.186 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 991752684 198.161.229.186 (Tue, 05 Jun 2001 08:51:24 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 08:51:24 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30093 "scott moser" posted > I can see your position as well, from a commercial standpoint. > Though why not stagger supers to allow these extra openings? There are lots of good reasons not to do that, although there are times when it can work well. Don't think I have not done it and paid the price. The thing is that around here weather can change fast and one season can be warm and another cold. In a warm season, the extra slits cause by staggering don't do any harm and may do a little good, but in a cool year they can cause the bees to withdraw from the supers for periods of time and thus disrupt drawing of foundation -- especially if queen excluders are used and there is no brood in the supers to keep the bees up there. > In reality, it is probably no more area for the bees to defend. Robbing has not generally a big concern in my experience, but making such sizable gaps in the hives puts time pressure on a beekeeper to make extra trips to open and close them when the hive would likely do as well or better without the 'help'. > My main complaint was with holes in the handholds. Elsewhere > on the body, they can be covered up easily with tin. Bored holes > in the handholds tend to get enlarged and weaken with time. Why would anyone drill a hole in a handhold? That is not an smart place to put a hole for several reasons. We never have seen holes change in size until the box is otherwise pretty much deteriorated, and even then the hole is often the soundest part of the box. As for plugging holes -- other than in the handholes -- a bit of burr comb, a Kleenex(r), a plug carried for the purpose, or a little square of galvanized metal nailed though one corner and designed to swing around that point can all be used. > As for the rest of the post, one cant argue with fools and old farts! I appreciate the pointer, And I apoligise for not realising I was doing that. I had no way of knowing in advance, and frankly I still don't know which of those two you are. allen Article 30094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: ants under the topcover X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B1CF102.3A33B97E@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3B1C267B.68FAC603@together.net> <3B1CBAD2.91C620D0@together.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:47:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30094 Frank wrote: > I was in error - my inside cover actually has a bee-space sized rim on both > sides. The side I have down has a small cutout to provide a small > entrance - the upper side has no cutout in the rim. If I reverse the inside > cover and change nothing else then the bees will be able to enter the space > where the ants are (but only from outside) and there will be no top > entrance. > > Is drilling a hole in the inside cover standard practice? (And if so, is it > standard practice to sell inside covers without this hole?) > > Thanks btw to those who have been anwering my questions. I shall do the > same one day when I've learned enough to be able to. > > Frank. I think you have your cover on upside down. The deep side goes up. The hole/slot through the rim is more for ventalation than a entrance but bees can go in and out if you slide the top cover frontways as far as it will go. The slot through the rim should go to the front of the hive. I'm fuzzy though as to why you ask about drilling a hole in your inner cover. Is there not a large, oblong hole through the center of it? -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 30095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarms & Castes Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 11:54:23 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 23 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3B1CBA5F.2433FF97@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 991738632 9876 144.32.85.141 (5 Jun 2001 10:57:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 2001 10:57:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30095 Hi all, I have a hive that has decided to swarm & swarm & swarm. For the last four days it has thrown a swarm out each morning. I'm not sure how long the neibours patience will last! (Plus mine when I get called at work to remove them from the neibours garden). I inspected last Tuesday last week and found some sealed queen cells, so closed the hive-back up and waited for the swarm. When it came last Friday I hived it and was happy that I'd made an increase. I did not expect to have them continue to do this on a daily basis since then. Last year when a hive swarmed it did throw a small caste out a few days later but I've never experienced anything like this before. How can I stop them from this daily issue of bees? Surely it can't go on much longer. Any advice welcome. Paul. Article 30096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to add supers... From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3B194B00.1DF496DC@yahoo.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.05.11 Lines: 43 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:16:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.186 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 991754201 198.161.229.186 (Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:16:41 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:16:41 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30096 Taylor Francis posted > And where do I drill the upper entrance? > Honey super or brood chamber? Sorry Taylor. Scott pointed out that I did not answer this question, but took issue with his pronouncements. I will offer my suggestions based on where I live and how I keep bees. I live in Canada and we have a short summer and they can be cool. I don't know where you live, so YYMV. Also please ask any neighbouring beekeepers you can find what works best for them in your locale. I like holes about three inches up from the bottom of the brood boxes (standard depth) below the handhold. Some place it above the hand hold and that is better in some ways, but if you do it that way, when you lift a box your wrist will be over the hole and, if it is open, then there may be some crushing of bees or stinging. To avoid this, some place the hole high on the box, but to one side, but that can create problems if the bees are on only one side of the box. There are pictures of how I personally do things on my web site at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Some beekeepers, including very good ones use holes in the supers to get the field bees above the excluder, and I have done that, but don't see any advantage. I do make sure that every brood box has a hole and that it is in exactly the same place. I use a template and a 1" drill. We try to make the holes as cleanly cut as possible. Before you decide on holes or slits or shims, you need to decide if you need top ventillation at all, based largely on how hot and how damp it is in your area. If you don't have strong bees and particularly if you are drawing foundation and need warmth for that to proceed uninterrupted, I would suggest you may not need any more ventilation or entrance area than what is provided by the normal bottom entrance. In my experience, a bottom slit is all that most beekeepers provide. If you do drill a hole and don't like where you put it, you can plug it with a cork or piece of dowel and try again elsewhere. If you are fussy, you can then sand and putty and paint over the spot, but that is not necessary. Bee boxes are not fine funiture and the appearance does not matter to your bees. allen Article 30097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B1C267B.68FAC603@together.net> <3B1CBAD2.91C620D0@together.net> <3B1CF102.3A33B97E@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Re: ants under the topcover Lines: 47 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:23:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.41.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 991758223 12.73.41.59 (Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:23:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:23:43 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30097 Gotta love the migratory cover! -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message news:3B1CF102.3A33B97E@nospam.boeing.com... > Frank wrote: > > I was in error - my inside cover actually has a bee-space sized rim on both > > sides. The side I have down has a small cutout to provide a small > > entrance - the upper side has no cutout in the rim. If I reverse the inside > > cover and change nothing else then the bees will be able to enter the space > > where the ants are (but only from outside) and there will be no top > > entrance. > > > > Is drilling a hole in the inside cover standard practice? (And if so, is it > > standard practice to sell inside covers without this hole?) > > > > Thanks btw to those who have been anwering my questions. I shall do the > > same one day when I've learned enough to be able to. > > > > Frank. > > I think you have your cover on upside down. The deep side goes up. The > hole/slot through the rim is more for ventalation than a entrance but > bees can go in and out if you slide the top cover frontways as far as it > will go. The slot through the rim should go to the front of the hive. > > I'm fuzzy though as to why you ask about drilling a hole in your inner > cover. Is there not a large, oblong hole through the center of it? > > -- > Billy Y. Smart II > /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ > /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ > /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 30098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B1C27BC.9528BD5F@northnet.org> Subject: Re: Adding a second super? Lines: 53 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:23:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.41.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 991758222 12.73.41.59 (Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:23:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:23:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30098 No, the original question was where to put the 2nd honey super in relation to the 1st. For the whitest comb when producing comb honey that would mean immediately above the brood chambers and below any supers you leave on the hive at the time you add it. Or so the theory goes. There are some that practice bottom supering below the brood chambers. In the long run, one of two things will happen to them:1) evolution will slowly eliminate them as it does with the inefficient, or 2) they will develop into a subspecies identifiable by their inability to walk upright. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:NO-StretchL-0406011937080001@sdn-ar-005cocsprp060.dialsprint.net... > In article , > "George Styer" wrote: > > > Why make extra work for yourself. Put it on top unless you are making comb > > honey (with comb honey you want to minimize travel stains). The full one can > > either remain, be removed and stored (watch out for wax moth and > > fermentation though unless you put it in a freezer), or be extracted and > > returned to the hive (they will refill it really quick). Obviously, the last > > option won't work with comb honey. If I don't have the time I go with the > > first option (leave it on). It will be preserved under ideal conditions. > > > > -- > > Geo > > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > > gstyLer@att.net > > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > George, are you suggesting that, for cut comb honey, one should put the > honey super BELOW the brood boxes, with a queen excluder on top it? > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3B1CE182.E2864DEE@yahoo.com> <9fuvq801s7o@enews4.newsguy.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.05.11 Lines: 65 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 07:12:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.180 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 992157161 198.161.229.180 (Sun, 10 Jun 2001 01:12:41 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 01:12:41 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30099 "scott moser" posted > How many hours of shade would you say is "too much"? It gets pretty > hot and humid in Missouri, and I try to keep shade on the hives from 2 > pm on. You know, when it comes right down to it, I really don't know the answer to those questions except in a general and empirical way. Moreover, I've learned over and over that what is known top be an obvious truth in one region or management system can be quite inappropriate in another locale. I've also learned that what we think is correct can turn out to be be an oversimplification or actual misunderstanding that has been repeated so often that it is considered fact. It pays to examine every assumption carefully each time it comes up. What I do know is that I can't think of anyone who intentionally shades hives this far north. I do know of many who use insulated lids and paint hives white -- this reduces heat -- but I know as many or more who do not. I have seen shading schemes in places in the Southern US and been told they are necessary for hive survival in summer. > Also, do you think it is the heat or the humidity that takes > more of a toll on them. I imagine in Canada, your temps might get a > bit warm, but humidity is lower. It is hard to generalize, I think, since there are some very hot areas in Canada at times and some places in the States can be quite temperate and humidity can run up to 100% anywhere at times. It is likely that there are occasional days (90 degrees F and up) when shade would be beneficial up here, but such days are relatively few and the bees seem to make it through okay. Commercially, shading for such infrequent and short occasions would be impractical, but a hobbyist might arrange some temporary shade on a few hives close to home with benefit. Humidity is a harder factor for us to understand than temperature, unless it gets to the point where water starts to run inside the hive. From what I have read, in some warm places the combined heat and humidity is a real problem and a high rate of ventilation is very important. I think this is as much due to humidity as heat, since it is apparent that cooling in the hive is dependant on water evaporation and a lot of air is needed if the environmental temp is over 95 degrees and the humidity is near 100%. Under such conditions cooling by evaporation may actually become impossible. AFAIK, evaporative cooling is the only significant mechanism available to the bees to control overheating. Nonetheless, excessive uncontrollable ventilation under ambient temps over 100 degrees F would seem to me to be detrimental to bees, since the ambient air under that condition is hotter than the optimal brood temp and any excess air would rob precious water. An engineer could write an equation to describe the optimimum air flow under each set of conditions. I should imagine the solution should be unique in each case. Of course hive temperature and humidity are interrelated, since the bees gather water for cooling when the amount in the nectar and the amount they generate from metabolizing honey is insufficient. When ambient and in-hive temperatures get up around brood temperatures, easy availability of water becomes absolutely crucial to hive survival. As noted above, though, in-hive heat and humidity become uncontrollable when the ambient temperature and humidity exceed 95 degrees and approach 100% humidity. In such cases anything that reduces heat input to the hive is bound to be beneficial. allen Article 30100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-001cocsprp007.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Stings- Building Resistance Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 22:36:41 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3B0D65F9.38237617@home.com> <3B0FB09E.3452DE77@bellsouth.net> <3B1C1F2D.3A4B8E8E@mail.tqci.net> <3b1ccf90$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> <3b1e6e30.80662857@news.bluestar.net> <3b1f9895.157051397@news.bluestar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ce.85.ac.0f X-Server-Date: 8 Jun 2001 04:37:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30100 In article , hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) wrote: > Howdy Stretch -- > > The amount of venom determines how quickly immunity if developed. > I suggest several stings which are not left until the stinger buries > itself to the hilt might be better. When the stinger is buried, > sometimes parts of it remain when removal is attempted. Good point. In this case, it looked like the entire stinger was removed intact, although I did have a bit of a puss develop at the spot where the stinger entered, which looked to me like an immune reaction to a foreign object. Mebbe I didn't get it all, after all. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-003cocsprp018.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bottom board Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:52:27 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3B2377C5.5D4154C6@kingston.net> <3B23DE22.38311D1A@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.1a X-Server-Date: 11 Jun 2001 14:53:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30101 In article <3B23DE22.38311D1A@kingston.net>, beeman@kingston.net wrote: > For ventilation I don't have a > conventional inner cover. Do you have the top cover completely down on the top super, or have it propped up a bit, also for ventilation? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dog House Hive Date: 7 Jun 2001 22:53:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991979588 16264 127.0.0.1 (8 Jun 2001 05:53:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 2001 05:53:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30102 Howdy Me -- In a case like this the queen refuses to take a trip by moving upward through an empty space. If part of the roof can be removed so that your super is in contact with the present comb, or nearly so, and put a few combs of brood in your super she will probably go up. Then you can slip a Queen excluder under the super and let all the brood below hatch out. This should do it, but don't be in a hurry. Pete ****************************************************** Article 30103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: old comb vs new comb Date: 7 Jun 2001 00:21:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0106062321.5b3b733c@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991898473 359 127.0.0.1 (7 Jun 2001 07:21:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2001 07:21:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30103 Greetings to all, I remember reading something about that the queen prefers the dark and older comb instead of the lighter and newer comb. Is this correct? Thank you for your reply! Fr. Athanasios Article 30104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 08:52:34 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 35 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30104 Another use for FGMO. Spray the ants 'run' and any eggs, they sure don't like it. If any should get on the bees it will help with your varroa problems. If you're unsure visit http://www.beewroks.com/EssentialOils.htm Regards Dave..... -- ************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Jim Murray" wrote in message news:B7440F54.34AD%murray@albany.net... > Hi, > > I have a single hive and have noticed black carpenter ants around and inside > the hive. This is my third year beekeeping and have not noticed ants before. > Maybe it been our weather. I live in the northeast and we have had a lot of > rain in the last three weeks. > > Anyone have a way to get rid of the ants that won't harm the bees? > > Thank you in advance! > > Jim Murray > murray@albany.net > Article 30105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!news.compaq.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris Bjelica" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Adding Second Super Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-Trace: /wq5/eOzdb6fw2nALrUiv38YyDVORXKn2/0YJVUPZfD3fClbhoQJAnWAQq0lVSvCZOYmENESt4vd!MNJ+RpEt5QwYMsIc6t4mw7OCS4AzNwtNw53Gkfg8B504yWFscDxcTDevjsHfwBcU1rg0XDLeIeeT!Bis6R/VN X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 09:06:28 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 09:06:29 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30105 I'll be adding the second super on a hive shortly. Of the ten frames I have for this box, 6 are drawn and have some remnants of a colony that died out, 4 are new. Should I put the drawn frames in the middle and the new on the outer slots? Stagger them? Or does it not matter? Thanks, Chris Bjelica Article 30106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net (Miss Pamb) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long is honey flow? Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 00:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <27007-3B244BC2-97@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <717-3B1AEC90-156@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAgVpI7JSbfikmXA7fKOMkRKN4wxsCFEp83x+AJYFP9d54cBieqUNBdyGg Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30106 TFN thanks for nothing Article 30107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: gobow@webtv.net (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bottom board Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 11 Message-ID: <21670-3B244C47-34@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <3B23DE22.38311D1A@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQweRpWU3bZFEq2F6A95wXo6sAPSgIUeauIZOpM8vi90P5yyObYiFYBU+w= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30107 I am sorry but what I have are called open mesh floors. I build them like a standard floor but instead of solid wood I use 1/8" hardware cloth. The floors side frame is deep enough to put in a dato for the inspection tray. It allows the varroa mites to fall through to the ground and die unable to attach to a new host. While checking the debris tray I find dead mites so it does get rid of some. These mites are falling off now with out any kind of treatment. I have read that this is heat related. Ray Morgan Article 30108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed2.us.prserv.net!prserv.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-monga!easynet.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms & Castes Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:01:29 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 28 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3B1F50F9.15BDD45B@york.ac.uk> References: <3B1CBA5F.2433FF97@york.ac.uk> <9fl6pv$2b4$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 991908260 22670 144.32.85.141 (7 Jun 2001 10:04:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2001 10:04:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30108 Thanks, for the advice, So much to learn... there were four sealed queen cells on one frame when I last inspected. Tucked out of the way so that I must have missed them on previous occasions. (sneaky blighters). I just assumed that the first to hatch would destroy the others... So much for that theory. I'll try to be more vigilant next year. Paul. huestis wrote: > Hi, > > I have seen up to six sub-swarms. Look for virgin queens in the hive. If > you have more than one you'll most likely have more swarms. Next time when > bees are making cells place all cells in one hive body. Queen and a little > brood in the other. Separate the two with screen board. Cells are on top > box. They hatch and you can run double queen hive by removing screen board > and replacing with queen excluder. This fails to work around 1 out of 15 > times(swarm control). Little can be done this year except to catch the > swarms. > > Clay Article 30109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bottom board Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:36:05 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B2377C5.5D4154C6@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30109 Hi List, Been a typical spring here in Eastern Ontario. A little on the wet cool side but better than last year. Splits have progressed well. I made screened bottom boards for them early last summer. In my opinion one of the best things going. I was able to watch the cluster all winter long. By following the trail and quantity of debris on the board I could see where the cluster was and how it was doing. In the spring when I put Apistan in (next spring trying Formic) I was able to monitor mite fall. Hives seemed in good shape for varroa. Small drop, 6 to 10 mites in 24 hr progressing to 0 or 2 mites in 24 hr within 4 days. Now with the supers on natural drop 0 to 2 mites in 48 hrs. Last fall the mite initial mite drop was very heavy! The hives survived but were not as strong as I've had them. I have watched the splits gain strenght. Their depris pattern has grown from a small patch to covering the entire board. Upon inspection of the nest I have found the spits have 3 solid frames of capped and 1.5 frames of brood and eggs. Dandelions are done here now, waiting on the clover flow. Should start in a couple of weeks. Good luck to all. Kent Stienburg Eastern Ontario Canada Article 30110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long is honey flow? Date: 11 Jun 2001 16:54:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <717-3B1AECBF-157@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 992303657 8447 127.0.0.1 (11 Jun 2001 23:54:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 2001 23:54:17 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30110 Howdy Miss Pam -- The question regarding duration of flow was well answered. In answer to the question regarding planting honey plants in order to have a flow all summer: It is just about impossible for a beekeeper to plant enough of any honey producing crop to make f flow. It takes an amazing amount of blossoms to produce a honey crop. If I were going to attempt this, I would select Chinese Tallow or Vitex if enough land was available. Good thought, though. God Luck Pete ***********************************************8 Article 30111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Loafing Bees Date: 11 Jun 2001 17:01:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3B239EEF.583287AC@qwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 992304097 8554 127.0.0.1 (12 Jun 2001 00:01:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jun 2001 00:01:37 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30111 Howdy Rich -- Loafing bees now probably means that there is no honey flow. Contrary to what you often hear and read, bees will bring in pollen if available even is the colony is queenless. In this case, it is too soon to know whether or not you have a queen. It takes 3 to 4 weeks from beginning of queen cells for the queen to be laying. It will help some for you to check the supercedure cells. If one or more were opened by the emerging queen, the end will ne neatly cut at the end. If the cells are torn open on the side, the first queen to emerge is allowed to kill the queens still in cells as the workers tear open the cell side to expose the unlucky ones. Pete ********************************************************* Article 30112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alkalai bees....how do I start a colony? Date: 11 Jun 2001 17:06:24 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 992304384 8597 127.0.0.1 (12 Jun 2001 00:06:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jun 2001 00:06:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30112 Howdy P -- Try the location below for information about Alkali Bees. http://www.pollination.com/IPSalkbee.html Pete ********************************************************** Article 30113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "p willis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: alkalai bees....how do I start a colony? Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:53:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.180.118.183 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 992307207 64.180.118.183 (Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:53:27 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:53:27 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30113 Thank you kindly Pete. Peter "Pete" wrote in message news:bc3bf29.0106111606.33a13338@posting.google.com... > Howdy P -- > > Try the location below for information about Alkali Bees. > > http://www.pollination.com/IPSalkbee.html > > Pete > ********************************************************** Article 30114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bottom board Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:02:21 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B25782D.9161A1E4@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3B2377C5.5D4154C6@kingston.net> <3B23DE22.38311D1A@kingston.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30114 Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > Do you have the top cover completely down on the top super, or have it > propped up a bit, also for ventilation? Hi Stretch, I have the cover down on the "super" It's not really a super per say. I simply used that term to try to help people visualize it. It's the dimensions of a shallow super with a large diameter hole cut in each side and covered with screen. I place this ontop of the screened inner cover. I went and looked again it's probably closer to 40% screen, sorry to mislead you. Ray, it sounds like you have something similar. Different in design but accomplishing the same task. Are you going to leave the board out for the winter? If you have a winter that is :) Another advantage that I just thought of was in front of my face and I didn't realize it. My son is 3 and he likes to come with dad to check the bees. Not inside but by removing the debris board and looking at the debris fall for mites. And just generally "reading the pattern" It's his job to pull them out. Makes him fell he's involved. Then we just sit and watch them fly. I guess it's called quality time. Kent Article 30115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed2.us.prserv.net!prserv.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: "Steven D. Hagerty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Essential oils and Mites Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 08:46:52 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <9fvu1l08q@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-504.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30115 Has anyone ever tried using essential oils to get rid of the varroa mites? Does this work? I have two hives infested with mites... with the honey flow going on, I don't want to try to use the Apistan..... I happened to see studies and experiments on Essentials... and wanted to ask for everyones advice.. Thanks a bunch Steve Article 30116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sun-bathing Bees? Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:04:49 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B2586D1.9FCA16A8@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3B1D02ED.3837F2BA@midwest.net> <3B1E3744.637DF6F6@nospam.boeing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30116 "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: > > > Could it be flour? Perhaps someone is trying to line your bees. > OK, what does that mean? Article 30117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: swarmcatcher@hivetool.com (Barry Richards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee stings, and body reaction. Message-ID: <3b1f9895.157051397@news.bluestar.net> References: <3B0D65F9.38237617@home.com> <3B0FB09E.3452DE77@bellsouth.net> <3B1C1F2D.3A4B8E8E@mail.tqci.net> <3b1ccf90$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> <3b1e6e30.80662857@news.bluestar.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:06:34 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:08:44 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30117 A followup, the inhalers prescribed for bee-sting allergies are not steroids as I indicated. They are a class of drugs called sympathomimetics, used mostly for asthma patients. I was thinking about my nose spray for allergies. -Barry On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 18:02:25 GMT, swarmcatcher@hivetool.com (Barry Richards) wrote: >Christopher is right, this question needs to be answered by a >physician but... > >My understanding was that the epinephrine would combat the >anaphylactic shock by keeping your blood pressure from bottoming out. >The respiratory distress isn't really addressed by this, that would be >the job of an antihistamine or a topical steroid (spray). Perhaps the >danger of suffocation isn't the major concern but certainly a >psychological issue. > >I heard a second-hand anecdote from an allergist describing a patient >who could uncap the epipen and hold it above their leg before being >stung but wouldn't have time to inject because of the reaction speed >of their body throwing them into shock. > >Again, ask a doctor :) > >On 5 Jun 2001 08:24:48 -0400, Timothy C. Eisele >wrote: > >>Christopher Drazba wrote: >>> This is a question best answered by an allergist. >>> That said, a friend of mine's doctor told him he has >>> only a few minutes to stick himself with an epinephrine >>> pen before his airway closes down (he is severely allergic). >>> So, if you really are developing an allergic reaction, >>> you could be dead in a few minutes. >> >>You know, this brings up something I've been wondering about. >>Say you are one of the people who has an anaphylactic reaction >>to beestings, and say you forgot your epi-pen, and got stung. >>No epinephrine, and you feel your throat closing up . . . >> >>Epinephrine (also known as adrenalin) is what is secreted by >>your adrenal glands when you are scared or angry. >> >>Is it worthwhile to whip yourself into a panic/fury to get your >>adrenals pumping out epinephrine? How does this compare with >>the dose from an epi-pen? >> >>-- >>Tim Eisele >>tceisele@mtu.edu > > Article 30118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed2.us.prserv.net!prserv.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: gobow@webtv.net (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bottom board Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 08:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8695-3B238C8E-13@storefull-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <3B2377C5.5D4154C6@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQ9y9vBlTByfNt3KBO7b/0PPog3zAIUftjce05Yp7wO1+I1AyrEiiN0TUI= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30118 I agree. Went to screen bottom boards this season. The inspection trays slide out from the back. This makes it very easy to check the bees by the debris and by visual inspection. With the trays out for summer it makes for great ventilation and very happy bees. Ray Morgan Article 30119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed2.us.prserv.net!prserv.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Essential oils and Mites From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <9fvu1l08q@enews4.newsguy.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.05.11 Lines: 10 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 15:32:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.185 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 992187176 198.161.229.185 (Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:32:56 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:32:56 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30119 > Has anyone ever tried using essential oils to get rid of the varroa > mites? Does this work? In a nutshell, some essential oils do have effects on the mites, but applying them is tricky, they are not approved for use, and they are not effective for dealing with heavy infestations. If you care about keeping the bees, it would be much better to use Apistan. allen Article 30120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <717-3B1AECBF-157@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: How long is honey flow? Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:17:50 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-Gxye0MQSTbaq/wj9371pSBXAPh1wfJemo++bogF0+vhmrz8WErjAZwv5tY8nvWvZYCQrmnK97XZhhNx!qlRNlFbqKl0rITy5F/EHZiSGZK73HOr96FxmyTF1G5UgNK4x52ixhy8BLDp4Tub6452GTrt49FIc!j/I= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:17:20 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30120 "Pete" wrote in message news:bc3bf29.0106111554.6c15fb6a@posting.google.com... > In answer to the question regarding planting honey plants in order > to have a flow all summer: It is just about impossible for a > beekeeper to plant enough of any honey producing crop to make f > flow. It takes an amazing amount of blossoms to produce a honey > crop. This is probably true for a commercial beekeeper with a large number of colonies to work but it is doable, to a degree at least, for the small hobbyist with only a few hives. > If I were going to attempt this, I would select Chinese Tallow > or Vitex if enough land was available. We have had good luck by planting various species to bloom during the dry nectar flow periods, especially buckwheat which has a short growth time to bloom and can be timed to be in bloom after the main flow. The main problem here is to get the full use of the blooms before early frost, and to have enough land and moisture available to make it work. Skip -- Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 30121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Adding Second Super Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 20:59:14 -0700 Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-27.reachone.com Message-ID: <3b204c59@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 7 Jun 2001 20:54:01 -0700, tc1-27.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-27.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30121 Although I'm a novice hobbyist, my bees always draw the outside combs last, so I'd put the new ones in the center, especially if you haven't had your honeyflow yet. That way they all get drawn out. Chris Bjelica wrote in message ... Should I >put the drawn frames in the middle and the new on the >outer slots? Stagger them? Or does it not matter? > >Thanks, >Chris Bjelica > > Article 30122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: In at the deepend. Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:27:09 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 63 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-130-158.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30122 After lurking for some months and asking the occasional question events came to a head and i've ended up in at the deepend. 4 years ago I contacted a local beekeeper, a lovely old polish guy in his 70's who kept 6 commercial hives in his backyard, no big deal except this yard only measured 20ft square and is in the centre of london. I called on him occasionally and watched him work the hives and developed an interest in the bees. Sadly he passed away some 18 months ago, and I assumed that his widowed wife would dispose of the bees through his local club, and not wanting to seem like a coffin chaser I never called round to ask. Well 4 weeks ago I bumped into her in the street and started chatting, I turned out that the hives were still there, she wanted rid of them and her daughter was going to torch them that coming weekend! She said I was more than welcome to take them. I went round to her house and there in the yard were three active colonies, two in full hives, well glued up after 2 years left to their own devices, and one in just a cracked broodbox, that looked very crowded. Apparently she had contacted a local keeper that her husband had taught, this guy had come round with promises of moving the bees etc, but had basically only extracted all the honey from the supers and left the broodbox, by itself with the lid on askew. On lifting the lid I saw lots of wild comb and a very glued up set of frames. Well I asked her if she had a smoker etc and tried to seperate the frames, they were so stuck that all I could do was reduce the ones stopping the roof sitting straight to matchwood. I stuffed all three entrances with foam rubber and taped over any other cracks, and strapped them up. Gingerly I carried the three colonies through the house and placed them in the boot of my SUV and drove them to a local community garden where I had previously gained permission to keep them. Well what a journey, with the cracked broodbox leaking honey and a couple of hundred bees into the car, me with a veil and gloves on driving through London, must have made an unusual sight. Unloaded the hives, set them on bricks, poured some water through the feeder holes in the crownboards and untaped them, by now it was dark and the half moon was the only light I had to work by. The next morning I went to check them, one colony looked fine, not lots of activity but they seemed to be getting on with things, the colony in the single broodbox were mainly on the outside of the box, due I think (and please correct me If I'm wrong) to a lack of room in the box. However the third colony was quiet, I looked under the crownboard, nothing. And then I noticed my big blunder, I'd not removed the foam from the entrance! A stupid mistake I know, but given the circumstances maybe a forgivable one for a beginner to make (nervous, dark, tired) and certainly one I don't intend to make again! Still surely two living colonies in poor housing is better than three torched ones? So now I have two active colonies in glued up hives and also a couple of spare hives, that I have cleaned down with hot water and a blowtorch, and added new foundation to both the broodboxes and I also have two complete supers treated in the same way. What I intend to do, in the next evening or so (and I would appreciate ANY advice on this) is to place the new broodboxes in the hive positions and shake the colonies from the old broodboxes onto the new foundation, replace the crownboards and feed them over the next couple of weeks whilst they draw out the foundation. When the foundation is drawn and getting full I then intend to add the supers with new foundation and continue feeding until that is drawn out as well. Is this my best way of continuing or should I place the old broodboxes onto the top of the new ones after shaking the bees into them and adding a queen excluder? I realise that this is probably not the easiest way to start out in beekeeping, and having read the whole of ted hooper over the last few days, I realise that I am on a very steep learning curve. I have got the number of anothe local beekeeper and intend to contact him this evening, but in the case of him been unwilling to help I would greatly appreciate any advice at all. Thanks. Article 30123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Patrick M. Hennessey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long is honey flow? Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 06:51:12 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <717-3B1AEC90-156@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <27007-3B244BC2-97@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30123 Maybe no one answered your question because we can not give you an exact answer. The weather, what the nectar source is and one hundred other thing will play into it. When the main flow is over in my general area my bees will start collecting from the clover field they are in until August. Go five miles away the there will be very little. I am sure this is still "...nothing" so I will close by saying "Your welcome." On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 00:40:34 -0400 (EDT), pambs@webtv.net (Miss Pamb) wrote: >TFN > >thanks >for >nothing Article 30124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Who Reads BEE-L? From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.05.11 Lines: 57 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:23:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.189 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 992337781 198.161.229.189 (Tue, 12 Jun 2001 03:23:01 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 03:23:01 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30124 For the sake of privacy and to prevent SPAMming of members, the list of BEE-L subscribers is kept confidential. Nonetheless, we know that for every person who posts to BEE-L, there are ten or more lurkers who maintain BEE-L subscriptions, and I assume, read at least some of the daily messages. Who subscribes to BEE-L? We are an ever-changing international group representing -- to some extent -- all the continents except Antarctica. Our number consistently includes well-known writers and authors, editors, scientists, extension people, educators, regulators, commercial beekeepers, and hobbyists -- as well as wanna-bees. Although most BEE-L posts are routine, the daily flow of messages on BEE-L is a strong indicator of current areas of interest and concern in the beekeeping fraternity and quickly reflects changes in industry thought and opinion. From time to time, BEE-L posts have had a large influence on opinion in the beekeeping world or been picked up by the press. The subjects under discussion vary widely and touch every aspect of beekeeping from the personal to the technical. Some topics only come up once and others are perennial. A quick glance at the time stamps on any sample of articles reveals a number of members with consistently nocturnal habits. Because beekeeping is as much art as science, and because there are few simple or universally accepted facts in beekeeping, our archive is our FAQ. The entire compendium of BEE-L posts for the past decade and more is readily accessible and easily searchable at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/, and access there is simplified by a powerful search engine. Searching on any keyword will usually reveal a range of opinion from diverse regions and backgrounds that is far more useful and educational than a simple statement reflecting one person's idea of truth. However, for those who enjoy any one particular contributor's style, the archive search engine will return a listing of all the BEE-L posts by any member and then deliver any or all of the articles on demand. BEE-L is a completely free service in the original spirit and tradition of the internet. Everyone is welcome to post to BEE-L. Detailed information the culture of BEE-L and the rules of conduct are posted at the above- mentioned site and should be read by contributors before posting. Both regulars and newbees are invited to visit the web page and to spend some time there getting familiar with the search engine, browsing topics of interest and perhaps reviving an old thread via the web interface. The above web page is intended as a complete BEE-L toolkit, and therefore provides a link that permits members and prospective members to change their BEE-L subscription options. Subscriptions can be started, ended, suspended, or altered simply by filling in a form. There are a variety of possible ways to get delivery of BEE-L messages, ranging from real-time single message delivery to a daily HTML index to activity. Experimentation is recommended. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 30125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: In at the deepend. Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:24:46 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 76 Message-ID: <3b25ed06.54386369@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30125 On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:27:09 +0100, Bumble wrote: >After lurking for some months and asking the occasional question events came >to a head and i've ended up in at the deepend. >4 years ago I contacted a local beekeeper, a lovely old polish guy in his >70's who kept 6 commercial hives in his backyard, no big deal except this >yard only measured 20ft square and is in the centre of london. I called on >him occasionally and watched him work the hives and developed an interest in >the bees. >Sadly he passed away some 18 months ago, and I assumed that his widowed wife >would dispose of the bees through his local club, and not wanting to seem >like a coffin chaser I never called round to ask. Well 4 weeks ago I bumped >into her in the street and started chatting, I turned out that the hives >were still there, she wanted rid of them and her daughter was going to torch >them that coming weekend! She said I was more than welcome to take them. I >went round to her house and there in the yard were three active colonies, >two in full hives, well glued up after 2 years left to their own devices, >and one in just a cracked broodbox, that looked very crowded. Apparently >she had contacted a local keeper that her husband had taught, this guy had >come round with promises of moving the bees etc, but had basically only >extracted all the honey from the supers and left the broodbox, by itself >with the lid on askew. On lifting the lid I saw lots of wild comb and a >very glued up set of frames. Well I asked her if she had a smoker etc and >tried to seperate the frames, they were so stuck that all I could do was >reduce the ones stopping the roof sitting straight to matchwood. I stuffed >all three entrances with foam rubber and taped over any other cracks, and >strapped them up. Gingerly I carried the three colonies through the house >and placed them in the boot of my SUV and drove them to a local community >garden where I had previously gained permission to keep them. >Well what a journey, with the cracked broodbox leaking honey and a couple of >hundred bees into the car, me with a veil and gloves on driving through >London, must have made an unusual sight. Unloaded the hives, set them on >bricks, poured some water through the feeder holes in the crownboards and >untaped them, by now it was dark and the half moon was the only light I had >to work by. >The next morning I went to check them, one colony looked fine, not lots of >activity but they seemed to be getting on with things, the colony in the >single broodbox were mainly on the outside of the box, due I think (and >please correct me If I'm wrong) to a lack of room in the box. However the >third colony was quiet, I looked under the crownboard, nothing. And then I >noticed my big blunder, I'd not removed the foam from the entrance! A >stupid mistake I know, but given the circumstances maybe a forgivable one >for a beginner to make (nervous, dark, tired) and certainly one I don't >intend to make again! Still surely two living colonies in poor housing is >better than three torched ones? >So now I have two active colonies in glued up hives and also a couple of >spare hives, that I have cleaned down with hot water and a blowtorch, and >added new foundation to both the broodboxes and I also have two complete >supers treated in the same way. >What I intend to do, in the next evening or so (and I would appreciate ANY >advice on this) is to place the new broodboxes in the hive positions and >shake the colonies from the old broodboxes onto the new foundation, replace >the crownboards and feed them over the next couple of weeks whilst they draw >out the foundation. When the foundation is drawn and getting full I then >intend to add the supers with new foundation and continue feeding until that >is drawn out as well. Is this my best way of continuing or should I place >the old broodboxes onto the top of the new ones after shaking the bees into >them and adding a queen excluder? >I realise that this is probably not the easiest way to start out in >beekeeping, and having read the whole of ted hooper over the last few days, >I realise that I am on a very steep learning curve. I have got the number >of anothe local beekeeper and intend to contact him this evening, but in the >case of him been unwilling to help I would greatly appreciate any advice at >all. Thanks. > Sounds like it was quite an adventure! I would shake most of the bees and add a queen excluder, then the crown board, and then the old crosscombed supers/brood boxes. This will allow the old brood to hatch. The bees will move the existing honey down as well. The QE will keep the queen from returning to the old comb. beekeep Article 30126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!news.panix.com!panix6.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@panix6.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Who Reads BEE-L? Date: 12 Jun 2001 06:05:25 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9g4ph5$m6f$1@panix6.panix.com> References: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix6.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 992340325 20847 166.84.0.231 (12 Jun 2001 10:05:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jun 2001 10:05:25 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30126 In article , Allen Dick wrote: >mentioned site and should be read by contributors before posting. Both >regulars and newbees are invited to visit the web page and to spend some >time there getting familiar with the search engine, browsing topics of >interest and perhaps reviving an old thread via the web interface. Yes, it is a nice page. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 30127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 From: "scott moser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 00:32:29 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9fscdj0n3t@enews3.newsguy.com> References: <3B1CE182.E2864DEE@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.123.245.24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30127 Hi Taylor, Anything bothering the hive like dogs, cats, skunks, etc. I had a hive get mean like that all of a sudden and couldn't figure out why. A fellow beekeeper told me to look under the hive and see if there was a snake under it. I did, and lo and behold, there was a large, 4 foot black snake coiled up between the blocks. I caught the snake, moved it (the snake) a few miles away, (couldn't bear killing one of the earth's greatest mousetraps!), and the bees calmed down. I was told the bees can smell the scent of snakes and they dont care for it. I also had 2 hives in a yard of 6 that got testy this spring. I set a box trap and caught one of the biggest possums I have ever seen. It is a bit late for predators like that though. Good luck! Scott Moser Article 30128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 23:43:10 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B21C57E.8AE249A0@bryder.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30128 Out here in Northern California I have a huge problem with ants. Ants out here can really weaken or kill a hive. The best way I've found to keep ants out is to put my hive up on legs and have a dish of oil or Tangle Foot at the base of each leg. I have not found anything that works as well. - Dave Jim Murray wrote: > Hi, > > I have a single hive and have noticed black carpenter ants around and inside > the hive. This is my third year beekeeping and have not noticed ants before. > Maybe it been our weather. I live in the northeast and we have had a lot of > rain in the last three weeks. > > Anyone have a way to get rid of the ants that won't harm the bees? > > Thank you in advance! > > Jim Murray > murray@albany.net Article 30129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bottle Brush Honey? Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 00:45:54 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B21D432.7392D751@bryder.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30129 I was wondering if anyone out there knows if Bottle Brush honey is any good. One of my hive is near a bunch of it and the bees love it. - Dave Article 30130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3B1CE182.E2864DEE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.05.11 Lines: 13 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 09:50:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 992080219 198.161.229.188 (Sat, 09 Jun 2001 03:50:19 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 03:50:19 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30130 Taylor Francis posted > I have a hive that is getting more aggressive as the season goes on. Is it in the shade much of the day? Bees are generally less cranky if they are in full sun, and bees kept in the shade can be quite mean at times. Up here in Canada, we don't need to shade hives, even in summer and we try for full sun from dawn to dusk. In the Southern US, though, shade can be beneficial -- even necessary -- in extremely hot weather. allen Article 30131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.05.11 Lines: 5 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 10:14:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 992081699 198.161.229.188 (Sat, 09 Jun 2001 04:14:59 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 04:14:59 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30131 >> Anyone have a way to get rid of the ants that won't harm the bees? > visit That should be: http://www.beeworks.com/EssentialOils.htm Article 30132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: In at the deepend. Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:00:05 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 86 Message-ID: References: <3b25ed06.54386369@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-134-59.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30132 Thanks, beekeep. It's a real honour to be a part of this newsgroup and get advice from the likes of yourself. > From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) > Organization: RadixNet Internet Services > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:24:46 GMT > Subject: Re: In at the deepend. > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:27:09 +0100, Bumble > wrote: > >> After lurking for some months and asking the occasional question events came >> to a head and i've ended up in at the deepend. >> 4 years ago I contacted a local beekeeper, a lovely old polish guy in his >> 70's who kept 6 commercial hives in his backyard, no big deal except this >> yard only measured 20ft square and is in the centre of london. I called on >> him occasionally and watched him work the hives and developed an interest in >> the bees. >> Sadly he passed away some 18 months ago, and I assumed that his widowed wife >> would dispose of the bees through his local club, and not wanting to seem >> like a coffin chaser I never called round to ask. Well 4 weeks ago I bumped >> into her in the street and started chatting, I turned out that the hives >> were still there, she wanted rid of them and her daughter was going to torch >> them that coming weekend! She said I was more than welcome to take them. I >> went round to her house and there in the yard were three active colonies, >> two in full hives, well glued up after 2 years left to their own devices, >> and one in just a cracked broodbox, that looked very crowded. Apparently >> she had contacted a local keeper that her husband had taught, this guy had >> come round with promises of moving the bees etc, but had basically only >> extracted all the honey from the supers and left the broodbox, by itself >> with the lid on askew. On lifting the lid I saw lots of wild comb and a >> very glued up set of frames. Well I asked her if she had a smoker etc and >> tried to seperate the frames, they were so stuck that all I could do was >> reduce the ones stopping the roof sitting straight to matchwood. I stuffed >> all three entrances with foam rubber and taped over any other cracks, and >> strapped them up. Gingerly I carried the three colonies through the house >> and placed them in the boot of my SUV and drove them to a local community >> garden where I had previously gained permission to keep them. >> Well what a journey, with the cracked broodbox leaking honey and a couple of >> hundred bees into the car, me with a veil and gloves on driving through >> London, must have made an unusual sight. Unloaded the hives, set them on >> bricks, poured some water through the feeder holes in the crownboards and >> untaped them, by now it was dark and the half moon was the only light I had >> to work by. >> The next morning I went to check them, one colony looked fine, not lots of >> activity but they seemed to be getting on with things, the colony in the >> single broodbox were mainly on the outside of the box, due I think (and >> please correct me If I'm wrong) to a lack of room in the box. However the >> third colony was quiet, I looked under the crownboard, nothing. And then I >> noticed my big blunder, I'd not removed the foam from the entrance! A >> stupid mistake I know, but given the circumstances maybe a forgivable one >> for a beginner to make (nervous, dark, tired) and certainly one I don't >> intend to make again! Still surely two living colonies in poor housing is >> better than three torched ones? >> So now I have two active colonies in glued up hives and also a couple of >> spare hives, that I have cleaned down with hot water and a blowtorch, and >> added new foundation to both the broodboxes and I also have two complete >> supers treated in the same way. >> What I intend to do, in the next evening or so (and I would appreciate ANY >> advice on this) is to place the new broodboxes in the hive positions and >> shake the colonies from the old broodboxes onto the new foundation, replace >> the crownboards and feed them over the next couple of weeks whilst they draw >> out the foundation. When the foundation is drawn and getting full I then >> intend to add the supers with new foundation and continue feeding until that >> is drawn out as well. Is this my best way of continuing or should I place >> the old broodboxes onto the top of the new ones after shaking the bees into >> them and adding a queen excluder? >> I realise that this is probably not the easiest way to start out in >> beekeeping, and having read the whole of ted hooper over the last few days, >> I realise that I am on a very steep learning curve. I have got the number >> of anothe local beekeeper and intend to contact him this evening, but in the >> case of him been unwilling to help I would greatly appreciate any advice at >> all. Thanks. >> > Sounds like it was quite an adventure! > > I would shake most of the bees and add a queen excluder, then the > crown board, and then the old crosscombed supers/brood boxes. This > will allow the old brood to hatch. The bees will move the existing > honey down as well. The QE will keep the queen from returning to the > old comb. > > beekeep > Article 30133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "Steven D. Hagerty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help, varroa infestion Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 09:03:27 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9fta3c01s7d@enews2.newsguy.com> References: <3B21D432.7392D751@bryder.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-464.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30133 Question, upon inspecting my hives, I found two with varroa infestation. It is too late (or so that I read) to use the apistan due to honey flow. Has anyone tried using the essential oils as treatments? or the tobacco smoke? If so.. please advise.... Thank you, Steve Article 30134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news7.onvoy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Elroy Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting equipment forsale Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Message-ID: <992377248.695811@www.starpoint.net> Cache-Post-Path: www.starpoint.net!unknown@12.106.8.199 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:20:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 992377246 206.146.5.100 (Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:20:46 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:20:46 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30134 I have a 50 frame stainless extractor for sale, asking $500, also have cowen uncapper for sale asking 600. I used this equipment last fall worked very well the extractor was made by Kelly manual speed control. Reason for selling I just purchased a large operation with 1 80 frame, and 2 60 frame extractors. Also have 2 Gunness uncappers Article 30135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news7.onvoy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Elroy Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: CA winter bee yard needed Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Message-ID: <992377247.671334@www.starpoint.net> Cache-Post-Path: www.starpoint.net!unknown@12.106.8.199 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:20:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 992377245 206.146.5.100 (Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:20:45 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:20:45 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30135 I need a winter bee yard for about 1300 colonies in the Fresno area, from November through January. I am also looking for a yard that is within a mile of citrus groves. contact me by email if interested. Article 30136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B21D432.7392D751@bryder.net> <9fta3c01s7d@enews2.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: Help, varroa infestion Lines: 28 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 17:39:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.41.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 992108393 12.73.41.54 (Sat, 09 Jun 2001 17:39:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 17:39:53 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30136 Lots of info available on the WWW as well as in the journals. ABJ presented some research in the Jan '99 issue on taste thresholds found in honey after treating with some acids and essential oils. The conclusion was to treat after the honey is removed. Are the levels of infestation so high that you need to treat now or can it wait until fall? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Steven D. Hagerty" wrote in message news:9fta3c01s7d@enews2.newsguy.com... > Question, upon inspecting my hives, I found two with varroa infestation. It > is too late (or so that I read) to use the apistan due to honey flow. Has > anyone tried using the essential oils as treatments? or the tobacco smoke? > If so.. please advise.... Thank you, > Steve > > Article 30137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.52!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 14:43:50 -0500 Organization: Frankenstein Face, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <0uu4it47go84tp49qb3u510cg1op63fvda@4ax.com> References: <3B1CE182.E2864DEE@yahoo.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 992115832 6523888 216.167.138.52 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30137 >I have a hive that is getting more aggressive as the season goes on. Also check carefully for any early signs of foul brood, this can turn an easy going hive into a very truculent one quick. C.K. Article 30138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.stealth.net!news.infoave.net!news3.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Bob Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ants under the topcover Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 21:49:47 -0500 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01HW.B746F8FB0003B34A0E28BAC0@nntp.wilkes.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.216.198 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 992050902 29692 207.144.216.198 (9 Jun 2001 01:41:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 01:41:42 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Hogwasher/2.1 (Macintosh) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30138 The ants wont really bother anything other than feeding from a hive top feeder. If you want to get rid of them, lightly wipe the top of the inner cover with deasel fuel. Also spray your stand lightly with it. It won't harm the bees. Just don't go overboard. The 3/16" space under the inner cover helps prevent wax worms from working the top of the frames. http://www.millerbeesupply.com Article 30139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: In at the deepend. Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:08:51 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3b25ed06.54386369@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 153 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30139 Sorry wrong way up. We move a number of bees out of Langstroth boxes into our D.E's and it's always more efficient to keep the old low, add the new above, when the queen comes up to lay, keep her there with an excluder. As the brood emerges from the old remove the old, then complete the new. Regards Dave.... -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Bumble" wrote in message news:B74C0924.3281%Bumble_the_Beekeeper@btinternet.com... > Thanks, beekeep. It's a real honour to be a part of this newsgroup and get > advice from the likes of yourself. > > > From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) > > Organization: RadixNet Internet Services > > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:24:46 GMT > > Subject: Re: In at the deepend. > > > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:27:09 +0100, Bumble > > wrote: > > > >> After lurking for some months and asking the occasional question events came > >> to a head and i've ended up in at the deepend. > >> 4 years ago I contacted a local beekeeper, a lovely old polish guy in his > >> 70's who kept 6 commercial hives in his backyard, no big deal except this > >> yard only measured 20ft square and is in the centre of london. I called on > >> him occasionally and watched him work the hives and developed an interest in > >> the bees. > >> Sadly he passed away some 18 months ago, and I assumed that his widowed wife > >> would dispose of the bees through his local club, and not wanting to seem > >> like a coffin chaser I never called round to ask. Well 4 weeks ago I bumped > >> into her in the street and started chatting, I turned out that the hives > >> were still there, she wanted rid of them and her daughter was going to torch > >> them that coming weekend! She said I was more than welcome to take them. I > >> went round to her house and there in the yard were three active colonies, > >> two in full hives, well glued up after 2 years left to their own devices, > >> and one in just a cracked broodbox, that looked very crowded. Apparently > >> she had contacted a local keeper that her husband had taught, this guy had > >> come round with promises of moving the bees etc, but had basically only > >> extracted all the honey from the supers and left the broodbox, by itself > >> with the lid on askew. On lifting the lid I saw lots of wild comb and a > >> very glued up set of frames. Well I asked her if she had a smoker etc and > >> tried to seperate the frames, they were so stuck that all I could do was > >> reduce the ones stopping the roof sitting straight to matchwood. I stuffed > >> all three entrances with foam rubber and taped over any other cracks, and > >> strapped them up. Gingerly I carried the three colonies through the house > >> and placed them in the boot of my SUV and drove them to a local community > >> garden where I had previously gained permission to keep them. > >> Well what a journey, with the cracked broodbox leaking honey and a couple of > >> hundred bees into the car, me with a veil and gloves on driving through > >> London, must have made an unusual sight. Unloaded the hives, set them on > >> bricks, poured some water through the feeder holes in the crownboards and > >> untaped them, by now it was dark and the half moon was the only light I had > >> to work by. > >> The next morning I went to check them, one colony looked fine, not lots of > >> activity but they seemed to be getting on with things, the colony in the > >> single broodbox were mainly on the outside of the box, due I think (and > >> please correct me If I'm wrong) to a lack of room in the box. However the > >> third colony was quiet, I looked under the crownboard, nothing. And then I > >> noticed my big blunder, I'd not removed the foam from the entrance! A > >> stupid mistake I know, but given the circumstances maybe a forgivable one > >> for a beginner to make (nervous, dark, tired) and certainly one I don't > >> intend to make again! Still surely two living colonies in poor housing is > >> better than three torched ones? > >> So now I have two active colonies in glued up hives and also a couple of > >> spare hives, that I have cleaned down with hot water and a blowtorch, and > >> added new foundation to both the broodboxes and I also have two complete > >> supers treated in the same way. > >> What I intend to do, in the next evening or so (and I would appreciate ANY > >> advice on this) is to place the new broodboxes in the hive positions and > >> shake the colonies from the old broodboxes onto the new foundation, replace > >> the crownboards and feed them over the next couple of weeks whilst they draw > >> out the foundation. When the foundation is drawn and getting full I then > >> intend to add the supers with new foundation and continue feeding until that > >> is drawn out as well. Is this my best way of continuing or should I place > >> the old broodboxes onto the top of the new ones after shaking the bees into > >> them and adding a queen excluder? > >> I realise that this is probably not the easiest way to start out in > >> beekeeping, and having read the whole of ted hooper over the last few days, > >> I realise that I am on a very steep learning curve. I have got the number > >> of anothe local beekeeper and intend to contact him this evening, but in the > >> case of him been unwilling to help I would greatly appreciate any advice at > >> all. Thanks. > >> > > Sounds like it was quite an adventure! > > > > I would shake most of the bees and add a queen excluder, then the > > crown board, and then the old crosscombed supers/brood boxes. This > > will allow the old brood to hatch. The bees will move the existing > > honey down as well. The QE will keep the queen from returning to the > > old comb. > > > > beekeep > > > Article 30140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:19:10 -0400 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <9g6blb$7erhb$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 992391660 7826987 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30140 The president of our local beekeeping club is doing an all-summer story with one of the local news stations. They have gone over history of bees, equipment, installing bees, pollination and will go through harvesting the honey. There are two reporters assigned and they work with the bees on camera, along with the beekeeper. They each "decorated" their hives - so one is very nice looking, artistic, while the other is unpainted, but signed by the news crew. So far, they have done a very good job. K Oland Article 30141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 09 Jun 2001 03:30:42 GMT References: <9f5f62$2bq5k$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: New bees, Old hives Message-ID: <20010608233042.02455.00001275@ng-cm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30141 Hi I would recomend finding a local beekeeper who can mentor you and or work the bee's for you there is an awfull lot of things that are a lot easyer if you can see them first. Cheers, Dave Madison,WI Article 30142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net (Miss Pamb) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long is honey flow? Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <20888-3B26CE55-114@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <717-3B1AEC90-156@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRaRxFI9gi2jbpPnzRxdE7MPpQlTwIVAIEhMtDbQhiJ+j9aNCvaB7tARdt/ Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30142 Thanks Patrick, Pete, and Rock for answering. I thought the honey flow was all summer, as long as anything is blooming, and into fall but I may be missing something. That's why I was curious. It just took a while to get a response. Thanks again. Article 30143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Sun-bathing Bees? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B261F8E.5A20C4F@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3B1D02ED.3837F2BA@midwest.net> <3B1E3744.637DF6F6@nospam.boeing.com> <3B2586D1.9FCA16A8@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:56:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30143 Taylor Francis wrote: > > "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: > > > > > > Could it be flour? Perhaps someone is trying to line your bees. > > > > OK, what does that mean? "Lining" is a method of locating a bee colony. If you find bees foraging some source you can find the colony location by following the direction the bees fly, as they usually always fly a direct linear path to their colony. To make them easier to see, some sprinkle white flower on them so they stand out in flight. I thought perhaps Charles had some nosy neighbors. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 30144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: "scott moser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:15:53 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <9fuvq801s7o@enews4.newsguy.com> References: <3B1CE182.E2864DEE@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.123.245.63 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30144 Hi Allen, How many hours of shade would you say is "too much"? It gets pretty hot and humid in Missouri, and I try to keep shade on the hives from 2 pm on. Also, do you think it is the heat or the humidity that takes more of a toll on them. I imagine in Canada, your temps might get a bit warm, but humidity is lower. Thanks! Scott Moser Article 30145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.33!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Karyn Plank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Won't Go to Honey Super Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:04:57 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.194.217.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 992405079 63.194.217.119 (Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:04:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:04:39 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30145 I added a single honey super on top of two brood chambers about a month ago. I thought I'd be adding a second super by now, but the first one is hardly drawn out at all. The brood chambers are packed with bees but they don't seem to want to move up to the honey super. The frames in this box contained some remains of drawn comb from last season. They were extracted then stored over the winter in a trash bag with some moth balls. Could the moth ball smell continue to linger making this box an unpleasant place for the bees to hang out? Any ideas? I'm in the San Francisco bay area. Thanks for any suggestions. Karyn Article 30146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Loafing Bees Date: 12 Jun 2001 22:01:29 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0106122101.789b02d7@posting.google.com> References: <3B239EEF.583287AC@qwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.178 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 992408490 29661 127.0.0.1 (13 Jun 2001 05:01:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2001 05:01:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30146 hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) wrote in message news:... >It takes 3 to 4 weeks from beginning of queen cells for > the queen to be laying. I take it that the above means from the time when queen cells are sealed? Also how much time it takes for the queen to make her mating flight, and how long after that to start laying? Thank you very much, Fr. Athanasios Article 30147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: So the truth IS out there Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:48:46 -0500 Lines: 108 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaIlnAxAU/VQWuqlv6d2nC+JuVbDqZxMglu1jYvC+9opUFZMWIBbvW1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2001 05:50:17 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30147 Hi Allen. You posted: > (http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/bsmay1991.htm) > I quote: "A queen produced from laying worker eggs successfully mated and > produced worker and drone brood. However, eight of the nine queens produced > from workers' brood either did not return to the hive after a mating > flight, or were critically injured during artificial insemination". > > "...either did not return to the hive after a mating flight, or were > critically injured..."??? Which? ...and why do they not say? Don't they > know? Why not? What else are they guessing? I guess you need to address this question to those in the lab that were doing the 'needle up the bum' procedure. Makes me think a needle was probably doing the injury. > I am quite sure that I have been told directly and emphatically several > times that the Lusbys bees are not 'Africanised' yet it seems apparent to > me that they *must* be and it also appears to me that they are very > different from the bees I have here in Canada and the bees my European and > Australian friends are using. Am I wrong? I believe you may be. I'm sure they are different from the bees you and I have, but Africanized has not been proven. I recently posted on BEE-L that I have been reading over results of tests done on the Lusby's bees by various labs throughout the world. The one thing that stands out is that there is no consensus on the results. Here is what I wrote. I was recently looking through a bunch of test results where the Lusby's had sent their bees to W. Germany for biometric testing that showed their bees to be Caucasian/Carnolian with limited Italian influence. In another set of blind tests in 1987 sent by Dr Loper of the Tucson lab to Baton Rogue for a blind testing of FABIS for its accuracy, the lab results that came back on their bees used in the testing were showing probable Africanized with samples from both the yellow and black caste bees that were tested, and, the Lusby's had another lab testing for DNA that showed their bees to be like those in San Diego; small, black and a Caucasian type strain, but yet it wasn't identified as real Caucasian, just a Caucasian type. What is Caucasian type? The Lusby's claim native small black bees that they are seeing. Any research to show that native bees don't exist? I'll be posting these test results soon. > It also seems to me that there is a gigantic confusion surrounding the > whole topic of AHB and bees in Arizona. It is also becoming apparent to me > that there is be political pressure and deliberate suppression of > information surrounding the work of the lab there and that ther is likely a > large political factor in the closing of that facility -- and the way it is > being carried out. > > Maybe the truth IS out there, but it seems to me a lot of people do not > like it. You have observed exactly what I have and I too would sure like to get to the truth of it all. It appears a lot of different interests are at stake on this one and no one wants to rock the boat. A little bit of background as I have had it said to me. In 1987, FABIS (http://www.beesource.com/pov/ahb/fabismanual.htm) was just being written and since the Lusby's had the smallest bees and were supplying foundation to the Tucson Bee Lab, they ran a blind test on FABIS (Loper included Lusbys bees in his samples taken from Southern Mexico that were sent to Baton Rouge that Rinderer tested) to see how it would work with commercial bees in this country, i.e. for beekeepers with old outfits and keeping smaller races/strains of bees that would have old comb with smaller cell size. They flunked. They thought FABIS was supposed to be redone, and to keep beekeepers from bombing out it was acertained that 4.9 would denote AHB and 5.0 or bigger, European, or so they thought. But we must remember that bees breakout into small, medium and large sizes, so even if they were on 5.0 or 5.1 sizing, a certain percentage of their bees would always key out as AHB's, whether they were or not. With the testing, both yellow and black caste bees fell out, but since they were using a 5.0 mill at the time and making 5.0 to 5.1 cell size foundation, there was no problem as AHB was set at 4.9 and all foundation manufactured in the USA was bigger. As the experiment continued into the 1990s and the Lusby's and the Lab separated on the math for cell size measuring (Lusby realized that 800 was indeed smaller than 900 and the USDA measuring was not their measuring as they talked more and got deeper into things), problems arose. Then when they went to 4.9 trying to follow the bees, real troubles started. The labs could not lower the 4.9 size as it was now established, yet the Lusby's needed it for mite and disease control and the more they checked the archives, the more they were sure their math was right along with what their grandfather had told them. But the fact that grandpa and the archives were right, just complicated things. With the DNA saying one thing and German morphametrics saying another, it didn't help. It's been a conflict ever since. FABIS is actually then a discriminatory system. When you have a size discrimination analysis such as FABIS, you have all sorts of room for error. There is a warning in the manual that seems to have been omitted when reproduced in journals. It reads: "The sensitivity of this technique necessitates a warning. Ideally, users should verify that the European bees in their area are similar to the European bees in this study before these procedures are used to detect Africanization. If the European bees are not similar, especially if they are smaller, locally collected baseline data may be used to develop new discriminant functions or at least be considered in evaluating results. Such new functions would be more appropriate to the users' needs." I hope this gives you some insight into the particular issue with the Lusby's and AHB. Regards, Barry Article 30148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures (and ahb) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 01:16:21 -0500 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3AE07DA0.7FEE1AF5@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <9c5h46028ka@drn.newsguy.com> <3AEDB2E1.8FEE6CCD@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYfsI0wazdMAyESDlbRhydif8VSTnhk5vhyvpGAHbiER6dfgoattb+i X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2001 06:17:50 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30148 John Edwards wrote: > Regardless of > the eventual manageability, There are now no wild colonies of "european" > strains of bees remaining in the Tucson area ( by which I mean the bees we > have used for several lifetimes). John, You mentioned in an earlier post the number of "AHB" swarms that have been caught and destroyed in the Tucson area last year. I remember it was in the 1000's. 10,000's? Is every swarm caught, tested by some means, to determine if they are AHB or not? If so, what kind of test is done? Wouldn't the fact that such extensive trapping is done, have a direct influence on the European strains of bees in the Tucson area being low? Regards, Barry Article 30149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.news.qwest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B239EEF.583287AC@qwest.net> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Loafing Bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:23:12 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.224.207.217 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 992190192 207.224.207.217 (Sun, 10 Jun 2001 11:23:12 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 11:23:12 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30149 I have a hive that had supercedure cells about two weeks ago. Now the supercedure cells are gone but I don't have any eggs yet. For the past couple of weeks this hive has had up to 200 bees just loafing near the entrance as if they have nothing to do. There are bees bring in pollen. Do the loafers mean that I have no queen and need to requeen? Any other thoughts? Rich Article 30150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cletus.bright.net!not-for-mail From: "jbongi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B2377C5.5D4154C6@kingston.net> Subject: Re: bottom board Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 12:58:36 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.143.22.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bright.net X-Trace: cletus.bright.net 992192238 209.143.22.72 (Sun, 10 Jun 2001 12:57:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 12:57:18 EDT Organization: bright.net Ohio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30150 Anyone have a design for this "screened bottom board"? I don't think I'm familiar with it? Thanks! kent stienburg wrote in message <3B2377C5.5D4154C6@kingston.net>... >Hi List, > > I made >screened bottom boards for them early last summer. In my opinion one of >the best things going > Article 30151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: So the truth IS out there From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.05.11 Lines: 137 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:25:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.187 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 992420707 198.161.229.187 (Wed, 13 Jun 2001 02:25:07 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 02:25:07 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30151 Barry Birkey posted in news:B74C68EE.32BE%barry@birkey.com: >> "...either did not return to the hive after a mating flight, or were >> critically injured..."??? Which? ...and why do they not say? Don't >> they know? Why not? What else are they guessing? > > I guess you need to address this question to those in the lab that were > doing the 'needle up the bum' procedure. Makes me think a needle was > probably doing the injury. (I usually don't like tons of quotes, but I can see that following this thing without them is going to be impossible, so I will leave more than i like...) I suppose, but to me this type (above quote) of thing takes the report from the category of science to the category of anecdote. Why would anyone take a chance on destroying such significant queens and why has the whole thing not beeen replicated since. To me this is not science. I can not trust such writing or give it any credence beyond what I would give an eyewitness account. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable as to detail, although there is almost always some thread of truth to them, even if it is often tainted with presuppositions. >> I am quite sure that I have been told directly and emphatically >> several times that the Lusbys bees are not 'Africanised' yet it seems >> apparent to me that they *must* be and it also appears to me that they >> are very different from the bees I have here in Canada and the bees my >> European and Australian friends are using. Am I wrong? > > I believe you may be. I'm sure they are different from the bees you and > I have, but Africanized has not been proven. I recently posted on BEE-L > that I have been reading over results of tests done on the Lusby's bees > by various labs throughout the world. The one thing that stands out is > that there is no consensus on the results. Here is what I wrote... > > I was recently looking through a bunch of test results where the > Lusby's had sent their bees to W. Germany for biometric testing that > showed their bees to be Caucasian/Carnolian with limited Italian > influence. In another set of blind tests in 1987 sent by Dr Loper of > the Tucson lab to Baton Rogue for a blind testing of FABIS for its > accuracy, the lab results that came back on their bees used in the > testing were showing probable Africanized with samples from both the > yellow and black caste bees that were tested, and, the Lusby's had > another lab testing for DNA that showed their bees to be like those in > San Diego; small, black and a Caucasian type strain, but yet it wasn't > identified as real Caucasian, just a Caucasian type. What is Caucasian > type? The Lusby's claim native small black bees that they are seeing. > Any research to show that native bees don't exist? I'll be posting > these test results soon. I hope so, but I am starting to give up hope that this whole thing can ever be sorted out. At least until some people retire. >> It also seems to me that there is a gigantic confusion surrounding the >> whole topic of AHB and bees in Arizona. It is also becoming apparent >> to me that there is be political pressure and deliberate suppression >> of information surrounding the work of the lab there and that ther is >> likely a large political factor in the closing of that facility -- and >> the way it is being carried out. >> >> Maybe the truth IS out there, but it seems to me a lot of people do >> not like it. > > You have observed exactly what I have and I too would sure like to get > to the truth of it all. It appears a lot of different interests are at > stake on this one and no one wants to rock the boat. A little bit of > background as I have had it said to me. > > In 1987, FABIS (http://www.beesource.com/pov/ahb/fabismanual.htm) was > just being written and since the Lusby's had the smallest bees and were > supplying foundation to the Tucson Bee Lab, they ran a blind test on > FABIS (Loper included Lusbys bees in his samples taken from Southern > Mexico that were sent to Baton Rouge that Rinderer tested) to see how > it would work with commercial bees in this country, i.e. for beekeepers > with old outfits and keeping smaller races/strains of bees that would > have old comb with smaller cell size. They flunked. They thought FABIS > was supposed to be redone, and to keep beekeepers from bombing out it > was acertained that 4.9 would denote AHB and 5.0 or bigger, European, > or so they thought. But we must remember that bees breakout into small, > medium and large sizes, so even if they were on 5.0 or 5.1 sizing, a > certain percentage of their bees would always key out as AHB's, whether > they were or not. With the testing, both yellow and black caste bees > fell out, but since they were using a 5.0 mill at the time and making > 5.0 to 5.1 cell size foundation, there was no problem as AHB was set at > 4.9 and all foundation manufactured in the USA was bigger. Maybe it takes more patience than I have to understand FABIS as described on the site enough to believe that it is not hugely subjective and fallible. I used to think I was a patient man, but all the literature on this whole topic has exceeded my tolerance for CIPU writing and fuzzy or circular thinking. > As the experiment continued into the 1990s and the Lusby's and the Lab > separated on the math for cell size measuring (Lusby realized that 800 > was indeed smaller than 900 and the USDA measuring was not their > measuring as they talked more and got deeper into things), problems > arose. Then when they went to 4.9 trying to follow the bees, real > troubles started. The labs could not lower the 4.9 size as it was now > established, yet the Lusby's needed it for mite and disease control and > the more they checked the archives, the more they were sure their math > was right along with what their grandfather had told them. But the fact > that grandpa and the archives were right, just complicated things. With > the DNA saying one thing and German morphametrics saying another, it > didn't help. It's been a conflict ever since. > > FABIS is actually then a discriminatory system. When you have a size > discrimination analysis such as FABIS, you have all sorts of room for > error. There is a warning in the manual that seems to have been omitted > when reproduced in journals. It reads: > > "The sensitivity of this technique necessitates a warning. Ideally, > users should verify that the European bees in their area are similar to > the European bees in this study before these procedures are used to > detect Africanization. If the European bees are not similar, especially > if they are smaller, locally collected baseline data may be used to > develop new discriminant functions or at least be considered in > evaluating results. Such new functions would be more appropriate to the > users' needs." > > I hope this gives you some insight into the particular issue with the > Lusby's and AHB. Clear as mud. Not your fault though. I appreciate your efforts to try to shed some light on this matter. Every time I read a reference that should make things clearer, I am impressed that assumptions are built on assumptions and that the basic definitions do not seem to be firmly in place. As a result attempts to discuss the subject become circular and confusing. Is AHB actually a science fiction story that has taken on a life of its own? ...A really good one with a huge and totally unconscious mass cult following? (theme music plays...) allen Article 30152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Won't Go to Honey Super Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:53:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3b2737e6.139090635@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30152 On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:04:57 -0700, "Karyn Plank" wrote: >I added a single honey super on top of two brood chambers about a month ago. >I thought I'd be adding a second super by now, but the first one is hardly >drawn out at all. > >The brood chambers are packed with bees but they don't seem to want to move >up to the honey super. The frames in this box contained some remains of >drawn comb from last season. They were extracted then stored over the >winter in a trash bag with some moth balls. Could the moth ball smell >continue to linger making this box an unpleasant place for the bees to hang >out? Any ideas? I'm in the San Francisco bay area. > >Thanks for any suggestions. > >Karyn > > Moth balls are a NO NO. beekeep Article 30153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: outman2@aol.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Jun 2001 10:32:22 GMT References: <9g6blb$7erhb$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Message-ID: <20010613063222.04524.00004702@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30153 Way to go!!! Article 30154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: fcmarket@ipro.net (craig1966) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Weight Date: 13 Jun 2001 05:29:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 1 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.150.245.24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 992435396 2992 127.0.0.1 (13 Jun 2001 12:29:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2001 12:29:56 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30154 How much honey, by weight, is in a pint jar? Article 30155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bottom board Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:52:50 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B23DE22.38311D1A@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3B2377C5.5D4154C6@kingston.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30155 Hi List, You can buy them for about $14 US. Essentially all they are is another bottom board except use 1/8" screen instead of wood for the floor. I used a full 1X6" piece along the front for a larger landing area. You simply turn your existing bottom board around backwards and put the screen board on top facing the original direction. That allows you to slide the tray in from the back through the old entrance. I made the tray from the thin acrylic 24" x 48" florescent light cover, You can buy them at Home Depot or any hardware store. It appears Ray removes his tray in the summer to increase the hives ventilation. I haven't done that but it sounds like a good idea. For ventilation I don't have a conventional inner cover. Mine have 60% of the board removed and replaced with screen. Then I make a box, like a shallow supper, and sit it on top. I drill out a 2" hole on each side and cover with screen. Seems to work. I leave it on all the time. I have no problem with mould on the frames in the spring. If my grandfathers were still alive they wouldn't believe the changes that are/have happened to the bees. Their biggest problem was foulbrood and swarms were a good sign. Kent Stienburg Article 30156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rob Morgan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bees Won't Go to Honey Super Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:23:18 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.57.90.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 992438353 209.57.90.118 (Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:19:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:19:13 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30156 Our local beekeeping legend Bill Thomas in Burton, Ohio has a simple and effective response to this question. "They'll go up when they're ready to go up". I would think that the comb would have "aired out" by now though I personally wouldn't want to eat honey from comb that been stored in moth balls. Consider getting rid of the old tainted wax, put in new foundation, and then when a good strong nectar flow starts up they will likely move up and give you honey that you don't have to worry about. Rob Article 30157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@nospam.pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Weight Message-ID: <3b276888.179867250@west.usenetserver.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:18:34 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. - ReInventing The UseNet Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:20:31 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30157 1 1/2 lbs .. honey is somewhat variable but 12lb/gallon is a good starting place On 13 Jun 2001 05:29:56 -0700, fcmarket@ipro.net (craig1966) wrote: >How much honey, by weight, is in a pint jar? Article 30158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "p willis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: alkalai bees....how do I start a colony? Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:46:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.180.118.183 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 992213210 64.180.118.183 (Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:46:50 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:46:50 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30158 I have some space in my backyard and I was thinking that it may be a good place to make a space for some alkalai bees in a patch of soil. How much space do I need? Where can I get info on making a 'habitat' for this pollinator and getting some starter stock? I already have blue orchard bees which are doing quite well. Thanks for any help. Peter Willis p.willis(remove for no spam)@telus.net Article 30159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B22EAC6.DDE6922@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ants under the topcover References: <01HW.B746F8FB0003B34A0E28BAC0@nntp.wilkes.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:34:30 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 992143753 206.231.24.103 (Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:29:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:29:13 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30159 Or you can dust a little borax on the inner cover. Nicer than fuel oil. What I'm saying is give the bees access to the space and you won't have ants. Bob wrote: > The ants wont really bother anything other than feeding from a hive top > feeder. If you want to get rid of them, lightly wipe the top of the inner > cover with deasel fuel. Article 30160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!news.panix.com!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: So the truth IS out there Date: 13 Jun 2001 10:10:14 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9g7s86$da6$1@panix2.panix.com> References: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 992441415 25909 166.84.0.227 (13 Jun 2001 14:10:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2001 14:10:15 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30160 Look at biological taxonomy. There's morphological classification, life history classification/with morphological, and molecular. Some biologist even use molecular classification (cladistics) over morphological classification. Neither are "correct". Frame of reference and context define the boundaries for "truths". Some of the African bee excitement was from biologist eager to observe the interaction of two very distinct ( in their opinions at the time) populations over time. Was any base sampling done in areas before the African bee moved through? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 30161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news.process.com!not-for-mail From: Dave Orth Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Weight Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:39:53 -0400 Organization: Process Software Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3B277B39.9E780C57@process.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: algol.process.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.process.com 992443194 21250 198.115.140.152 (13 Jun 2001 14:39:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.process.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:39:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30161 You can do what I did. I use the 10 fl oz juice jars. Take a jar with honey and a similar jar without honey and bring them to a post office. Some have a self service section including a scale Weigh both jars and then subtract. BTW.. 10 fl oz jars weigh 15.3 oz. --d-- craig1966 wrote: > How much honey, by weight, is in a pint jar? Article 30162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B279894.DBFDD6BF@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Weight References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:45:08 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.191 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 992443526 209.248.4.191 (Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:45:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:45:26 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30162 craig1966 wrote: > > How much honey, by weight, is in a pint jar? 'bout a pound & a half AL Article 30163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news7.onvoy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Elroy Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <992377248.695811@www.starpoint.net> Subject: Re: extracting equipment forsale Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Message-ID: <992473513.230098@www.starpoint.net> Cache-Post-Path: www.starpoint.net!unknown@12.106.8.174 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:05:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 992473502 206.146.5.100 (Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:05:02 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:05:02 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30163 Sorry for not giving my location: Marshall MN, which is 90 miles northeast of Sioux falls SD or 140 miles southwest of Minneapolis. I travel to central Wisconsin almost weekly, and may be traveling to California, and North Dakota within the next 2 weeks to retreive deadouts. Article 30164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news7.onvoy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Elroy Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <992377248.695811@www.starpoint.net> Subject: Re: extracting equipment forsale, repond error Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Message-ID: <992474704.520358@www.starpoint.net> Cache-Post-Path: www.starpoint.net!unknown@12.106.8.174 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:24:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 992474689 206.146.5.100 (Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:24:49 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:24:49 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30164 I have received 3 inquiries so far, for some reason I am unable to respond. I get an error message when I send, my server had change the way we can send and receive messages lately. I will fix problem and respond as soon as I can. I may have to drive to Ohio to pickup something I am bidding for on ebay in the near future if this helps. Elroy Article 30165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: In at the deepend. Date: 13 Jun 2001 14:00:51 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0106131300.40c9910e@posting.google.com> References: <3b25ed06.54386369@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.47.48.69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 992466051 10943 127.0.0.1 (13 Jun 2001 21:00:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2001 21:00:51 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30165 Another method for moving bees from an unworkable hive into a new, workable hive is to invert the old hive and place the new hive box on top of it. Once the bees start drawing the comb in the new hive, the queen will move up and begin laying. The cells are always angled upward a bit and she won't lay in the old comb that has been inverted. Once you know she's upstairs, slip in the queen excluder, wait for the brood downstairs to hatch out, and then take it away. Article 30166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!192.12.69.9.MISMATCH!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures (and ahb) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:36:38 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3B27A4A5.2E8D691@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3AE07DA0.7FEE1AF5@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <9c5h46028ka@drn.newsguy.com> <3AEDB2E1.8FEE6CCD@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30166 Barry Birkey wrote: > John Edwards wrote: > > > Regardless of > > the eventual manageability, > > if they are AHB or not? If so, what kind of test is done? Wouldn't the fact > > Regards, > Barry Mr. Birkey, I do not appreciate having someone sift through my older postings and put them online as "quotes", to stir up further trouble. If you want the truth about bees in Arizona, I'm sure you know who to ask. Article 30167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news7.onvoy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Elroy Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Splits Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Message-ID: <992501256.399929@www.starpoint.net> Cache-Post-Path: www.starpoint.net!unknown@12.106.8.194 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:47:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 992501238 206.146.5.100 (Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:47:18 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:47:18 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30167 A week ago I made 2 splits and introduced a new queen in each. After 3 days > the queen was released. Now 3 days after that I looked for eggs and see > none. Should the new queen be laying already? Yes, if this split was very strong say more than 6 frames of solid bees and brood there is a good chance the bees have killed her and started building queen cells. Once they start raising there own you will have hard time getting a new Queen accepted. I have found bees will accept the new Queen every time if she is introduced on 2 or 3 frames. Start a new hive stand shake some bees in front of the new split to help it keep itself warm at night. If you spray all bees and frames with flavored sugar water as well as the new queen she can be released imediately. I just introduced 75 new Queens half were released right away and half were introduced using the cage. I have'nt seen any Queens missing that were released right away but looks like at least 10 of the other Queens were lost. Once the Queen has been accepted switch hive stands with a strong colony, this will help get the split going fast. Once you switch stands don't open the split for a week, if the Queen gets nevous the old bees will some times start to ball her. And if the queen was rejected, > how long do I have till I have problems with laying workers? If no eggs present it takes about 3 weeks to get laying workers. If laying workers appear you can give the hive a frame or two of eggs and brood, this will repress the pheremones from the laying workers. After a placing brood frames in hive twice in a row you can introduce a new Queen. I would spray the bees and the new queen with flavored sugar water and still introduce in cage, giving the new queen a good chance to get control before she is released. Large splits are hard to get new queens into. Good luck Elroy Article 30168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: outman2@aol.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Jun 2001 11:03:31 GMT References: <992501256.399929@www.starpoint.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Splits Message-ID: <20010614070331.22755.00002206@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30168 What do you mean by "flavored" sugar water ??? Article 30169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splits Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:35:08 -0400 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9ga7jq$7ibp4$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <992501256.399929@www.starpoint.net> <20010614070331.22755.00002206@ng-ci1.aol.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 992518587 7941924 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30169 I sometimes use concentrated mint or sometimes Kool-Aid... I don't know that they like any special flavor. -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Mike" wrote in message news:20010614070331.22755.00002206@ng-ci1.aol.com... > What do you mean by "flavored" sugar water ??? Article 30170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao.edu!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: So the truth IS out there Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:06:44 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 48 Message-ID: <3B27B9C4.D7207D6F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <9g7s86$da6$1@panix2.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30170 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > Some of the African bee excitement was from biologists eager to > observe the interaction of two very distinct ( in their opinions > at the time) populations over time. > > Was any base sampling done in areas before the African bee moved > through? > Yes. My (self-inflicted) project was to sample SW Arizona bees from isolated locations, and subject them to (25-character Daly) morphometric analysis. After training at Baton Rouge and Berkeley in morphometrics, I began by getting the remaining apiary location records from the state. Many years of state records had been intentionally destroyed, so the historical data was gone. I talked with a beekeeper who was actually proud that this had been done to "preserve their privacy". I mean, who the hell cares where their beeyards were ten years ago?? Anyway, Then I used plotting programs to set up a blank state map, and converted the (huge)apiary dataset by hand to fit the program. Once the known apiaries were plotted, I began contacting the Arizona Game and Fish Dept., U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Forest Service, and Air Force and Marine gunnery ranges to locate wildlife water catchments (over 400), and overlaid these onto the state map. This gave me a plot of areas which were off-limits to the public (and beekeepers), and which had a good chance of constant water supplies. These are the places I began going to collect isolated bees, hopefully adapted to conditions and free of genetic intrusion. Starting in 1987, I intended to collect before and after the AHB intrusion. I was the only person working long-term on this project. Unfortunately, there was some lack of funds, cooperation, and vehicles involved. I believe political considerations also played a part. After a (private) vehicle accident in 1995 which broke two vertebrae in my back, and also disk surgery in 1999, I have found it difficult to get into the desert. Quite a few samples were collected, many of the pre-ahb samples were used by the Baton Rouge beelab to develop the updated version of USDAID morphometrics, and some remain untested today. Dr. Howell Daly made it quite clear in his morphometrics papers that base sampling had to be done before the AHB arrived to keep the USDAID morphometrics program updated for new areas, and, other than Daly's original surveys of California, Dr. Bill Rubink at Weslaco is the only one who has followed through on this. Many people have taken anecdotal information and small results of this program and misinterpreted them, but USDAID, as developed at Baton Rouge, remains the ultimate authority on U.S. honey bee identity (between ehb and ahb). Article 30171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao.edu!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: F.A.B.I.S. Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:40:49 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3B27C1C0.145ED0A2@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30171 There seems to be some confusion about FABIS (Fast Africanized Bee Identification System). The emphasis is on FAST. This was an idea published and taught by the Baton Rouge BeeLab to speed up the morphometrics identification of large numbers of bee samples. It was not developed to identify bees, but rather to separate the european (read larger) bees from the rest, which could easily (and did) include more european bees. Basically, the shortest FABIS version only measured the forewing length, on the basis that a bee sample with, say, 9.35 mm average wing length for ten (or 50) bees is very unlikely to be africanized. Probably, in a mass-screening of samples, FABIS could cut the workload considerably. In practice, FABIS was used by states to cull out the larger samples by wing length or fresh body weight, and the smaller-bee samples were sent for the more intensive 25-character computer-assisted USDAID (Daly) morphometrics, which can take up to 4-8 hours per sample of ten bees. The results were not infallible, but FABIS was only meant to reduce the number of samples flooding the forensic laboratories. Also, some ahb samples contain bees with longer wings and this confused the FABIS results. John Edwards, USDA-ARS BeeLab, Tucson, Arizona "western states USDA-ARS honey bee morphometrics specialist" Article 30172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao.edu!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: So the truth IS out there Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:26:49 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3B27CC89.E1B03C91@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30172 Barry Birkey wrote: > I was recently looking through a bunch of test results where the Lusby's had > sent their bees to W. Germany for biometric testing that showed their bees > to be Caucasian/Carnolian with limited Italian influence. Dr. Ruttner (in Germany) was at that time ( about 1987 ? ) struggling with the bee race identification problem, as were many others. Although often quoted, this was hardly a firm determination, but one using an outdated method. The Daly/Baton Rouge USDAID system uses thousands of ten-bee samples of U.S. bees as the baseline for european bees, and thousands of ten-bee samples from Africa and Central and South America as the africanized bee baseline, all statistically weighted by their importance in the database. It attempts to separate samples into EUR, AFR, and FER(feral). The separation between EUR and AFR is usually clear, except in mixed samples and hybrids. > In another set of > blind tests in 1987 sent by Dr Loper of the Tucson lab to Baton Rogue for a > blind testing of FABIS for its accuracy, the lab results that came back on > their bees used in the testing were showing probable Africanized with FABIS (please see my post today on this subject) was never envisioned as a method to identify africanized bees, but only to serve as a fast way to cull out the large numbers of european bee samples which were flooding the beelabs at that time. Many people have suggested that it should have been named "FEBIS", for european bee identification. The bees which were submitted for this testing of FABIS were to test FABIS for its accuracy, not to serve as a landmark identification of these particular samples. These results have, unfortunately, been quoted ever since, and this use of the preliminary program (beta-testing) results was and is invalid. Article 30173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: chuckwm@hotmail.com (Chuck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bottom board Date: 14 Jun 2001 13:01:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 52 Message-ID: <1b48e0c5.0106141201.3cd2eeff@posting.google.com> References: <3B2377C5.5D4154C6@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.48.24.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 992548865 28130 127.0.0.1 (14 Jun 2001 20:01:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jun 2001 20:01:05 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30173 I installed 3 pound packages on foundation on April 19th. Those bees are working like *crazy*. Last week I had to put a super on each of them because they had pretty much drawn out all the foundation in two hive bodies and things were looking crowded. I checked them yesterday and the supers each have about 4-5 frames drawn out. I am still feeding them, but saw yesterday that one is done taking the syrup and I expect the other one to stop next week (the second hive isn't quite as strong as the first.) But back to bottom boards. Last week I installed Dadant screened bottom boards. They have a "sliding debris tray" (which is really just a plastic sheet like science fair display board.) I sprayed them with Pam and stuck'em in. I am astounded by the amount of yuck that is on the debris trays when I come to check them (I feed every 5 days). I haven't recognized any mites as yet, but there's of lots of gooey yellow stuff (no idea what it is), wax cappings, dust, dirt and heavens knows what else. I've read the BEE-L archives and see that everyone is enthusiastic about simply taking off the bottom boards and leaving the hive open (but screened) on the bottom. Thermodynamically I can understand how the hives could still stay warm with the bottom open, but what I can't understand is how things will stay clean. Let me explain. When I took the hives apart to install the screened bottoms, I took a look at the bottom boards. They were spic'n span. No wax cappings, no dust, dirt, or yellow stuff. Somebody had been cracking the housekeeping whip! But now, *I* have to pull out that debris tray and clean it. And from the amount of gunk on that tray, I'm not sure I'd want to wait two weeks. My hives are sitting on two concrete blocks. If I take the bottom boards off, and remove the debris trays, all that stuff is going to fall down below the hives, where it is open to the ground, but on 1/3 of the bottom, it's going to fall down on those concrete blocks, and build up in nice nasty, bacteria- laden plies. That doesn't sound too sanitary. If I leave the bottom boards in place without debris trays, then the gunk falls down on the bottom board where the bees can't get at it to clean it out. Again, not too sanitary. I really don't want to go out and buy open hive stands, but I'm not sure how this can work (no bottom boards) with my present setup. Anyone have any ideas? Reassurance? TIA, Chuck Geneva, IL (40 miles due west of Chicago) Article 30174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!newspeer2.tds.net!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "jim and michele hoeck" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bad spring Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:37:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.170.79.146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 992558244 208.170.79.146 (Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:37:24 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:37:24 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30174 I was just wondering if any of you had a very cold and wet spring as we did in northcentral Wisconsin? Prior to this past week it only got above 60 degrees a couple of days. We had much rain (according to local weather t.v. we had measurable rain for 26 of the days of May) Can my hives (two packages) build up to amount to anything yet this year? They have only been surviving so far this year. Anyone with similar situation? Article 30175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: F.A.B.I.S. Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:01:42 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3B27C1C0.145ED0A2@tucson.ars.ag.gov> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 28 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30175 john, could you give us some idea of what the range was on the forewing length of the feral baseline population you sampled prior to ahb arrival? how would that compare to europeanized/africanized samplings? thanks! "John Edwards" wrote in message news:3B27C1C0.145ED0A2@tucson.ars.ag.gov... > There seems to be some confusion about FABIS (Fast Africanized Bee > Identification System). The emphasis is on FAST. This was an idea > published and taught by the Baton Rouge BeeLab to speed up the > morphometrics identification of large numbers of bee samples. It was not > developed to identify bees, but rather to separate the european (read > larger) bees from the rest, which could easily (and did) include more > european bees. Basically, the shortest FABIS version only measured the > forewing length, on the basis that a bee sample with, say, 9.35 mm > average wing length for ten (or 50) bees is very unlikely to be > africanized. Probably, in a mass-screening of samples, FABIS could cut > the workload considerably. In practice, FABIS was used by states to > cull out the larger samples by wing length or fresh body weight, and the > smaller-bee samples were sent for the more intensive 25-character > computer-assisted USDAID (Daly) morphometrics, which can take up to 4-8 > hours per sample of ten bees. The results were not infallible, but FABIS > was only meant to reduce the number of samples flooding the forensic > laboratories. Also, some ahb samples contain bees with longer wings and > this confused the FABIS results. > John Edwards, USDA-ARS BeeLab, Tucson, Arizona > "western states USDA-ARS honey bee morphometrics specialist" > Article 30176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Kindergarteners extract honey Lines: 23 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:41:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 992565685 12.73.40.132 (Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:41:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:41:25 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30176 My kindergartner spent a day this week at local ranch for a field trip. The activities included pressing apple cider, baking biscuits, woodworking, crafts, making ice cream, and extracting honey. I took in 8 frames of honey, 2-frame crank extractor, hot knife, uncapping tank and strainer/bottler. After I uncapped the frames and loaded them in the extractor, the kids did all the rest of the work. 6 groups of 10 kids came through the station. They spun and strained 30 lbs. and each group got to fill a 12 oz. squeeze bear to have with their afternoon biscuits. It was great fun and a unique experience for the kids. I learned it takes about 3 grown-ups per 10 kids to keep them from sticking their fingers on the honey! Oh yeah, I made some sales too. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Article 30177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cooking with solar wax melter Lines: 17 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:41:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 992565684 12.73.40.132 (Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:41:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:41:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30177 Anyone tried using their solar wax melter as a solar cooker. The local paper ran several articles this week about solar cooking so I thought I would give it a try. Today I tried cinnamon rolls. While there is room for some improvement, they were not too bad for a first attempt. My goal is to become proficient enough to be able to use my small melter on camping trips. Opens up a whole new world of menu possibilities! Recipes anyone? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Article 30178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!192.12.69.9.MISMATCH!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: F.A.B.I.S. Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:01:20 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3B295050.10BF966@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <3B27C1C0.145ED0A2@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30178 Teri Bachus wrote: > john, could you give us some idea of what the range was on the forewing > length of the feral baseline population you sampled prior to ahb arrival? > how would that compare to europeanized/africanized samplings? thanks! Nope, sorry. I don't have much faith in wing-length IDs, and only did a few FABIS runs to teach students. Dr. Loper or Baton Rouge might help you better. I can tell you that some of the isolated desert bees were a lot bigger than I expected. Texas might have a ready stack of wing-length measurements over time. It "seems to me" that all the bees I see hereabouts now are little, fly-like critters with pissy personalities. Article 30179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bottom board Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:30:26 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B296532.8CB0E97@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3B2377C5.5D4154C6@kingston.net> <1b48e0c5.0106141201.3cd2eeff@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30179 Hi Chuck, I believe the screened bottom boards you are hearing of are not the ones that you place on top of the bottom board. Some keepers simply replace the solid bottom board with a screen bottom board. Then they put a groove under the screen for when they want to insert a debris tray. Mine is a screen board on top of my conventional bottom board. Yes, the down side, if you will, is the fact that you will need to clean it every few days. But, I like the idea that every mite that falls isn't getting back into the hive. So I'm hoping that this is slowing down the mite build up through the summer. Through out the winter and early spring I can get an idea of how big and how well the cluster is doing by the debris fall. Same for my splits. Instead of disturbing the nest I can watch the debris fall. The idea of the screen board for ventilation wasn't my plan when I built these. Since I don't remove the tray I don't think it's doing much for ventilation. I have other ways to help ventilation. Kent Stienburg Eastern Ontario Canada Article 30180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B2377C5.5D4154C6@kingston.net> <1b48e0c5.0106141201.3cd2eeff@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: bottom board Lines: 27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:55:36 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-kgJIml/joEFDeqdaZqjS+NUwuNmgNQHZ9Dc0F2T+yuOzVQpS8hYjSCNzMdhu689ifW6YLz3y4qsypcY!4a9mxnibATdCB2Kv3DekFfiAEpFFMcoinwYxODDQz46j+1SPkNCy2h6giz4InTR6wToi8waRGBeN!oPZo X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:53:43 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30180 Chuck Said: > My hives are sitting on two concrete blocks. If I take the > bottom boards off, and remove the debris trays, all that stuff > is going to fall down below the hives, where it is open to the > ground, but on 1/3 of the bottom, it's going to fall down > on those concrete blocks, and build up in nice nasty, bacteria- > laden plies. That doesn't sound too sanitary. If I leave the > bottom boards in place without debris trays, then the gunk > falls down on the bottom board where the bees can't get at it > to clean it out. Again, not too sanitary. I think it's safe to say, please correct me if I'm wrong, that the debris falling through to the ground or onto the bricks will be taken care of by all the little creatures living under and around the hive - ants, spiders, mice, beetles, lizards, moths, etc.... These little creatures already take care of the garbage being thrown out of the front entrance. I've been toying with the idea of using OMF too, but am worried about the ants moving in. It seems to be a very large area to guard. Anyone have any problems with ants when using OMF? Mark -- Cheer up! Remember today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. Article 30181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris Bjelica" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are they getting ready to swarm? Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-Trace: /K0ZED8ThpjSjvm88mQLdSPtBvEj0jDUcYU5bmlTD8eTMb7f+PP106llzd5ShKnBpE1GwOwIeoxs!7meQ5epQBTTSW0/bURKVfUMkEFFulM7uKMtmIdv2MaORj+onxqGFkHsflWuqWJtBUugQcxK3eH4K!1HGSOd/8Jw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 02:25:41 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 02:25:41 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30181 One of my (two) hives looks to me like it's ready to swarm. There's a solid mass off bees hanging out at the entrance and about 2" up the front of the hive. I put the second box on June 5th and they still had several frames to build up in the lower box. I thought I actually put it on a little too early. Looking at them today, I figured they were just trying to ventilate the hive. It's been in the upper 80's here in N. E. Ohio and it looked like they were fanning their wings. I opened the top and shoved a shim under the inner cover to try to get better air flow through there. I came back just before the sun went down to check on them and they are still bunched up out there. The temperature dropped to the 60's so I don't think it was the heat. I also noticed that they were noisily buzzing as though they were excited or pissed off. Are they getting ready to swarm? Thanks in advance! Article 30182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures (and ahb) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:45:54 -0500 Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3AE07DA0.7FEE1AF5@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <9c5h46028ka@drn.newsguy.com> <3AEDB2E1.8FEE6CCD@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <3B27A4A5.2E8D691@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYlRm0FQoLqLpUOXrOrUnj2+BqutonZmEF3B5vhzcpdhqgkVbEV2+u/ X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2001 02:47:24 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30182 Hello John - > Mr. Birkey, I do not appreciate having someone sift through my older postings > and put them online as "quotes", to stir up further trouble. It doesn't exactly work this way. No sifting was done. I will often start a reply to a post but not have time to finish it, or want to think about it more before replying, so it gets saved in my Drafts folder. Such is the case, along with the recent reply I gave to an older one of Allen's. In fact, there were about 8 such saved posts waiting to be replied to and all but yours and Allen's got deleted due to the topic being long past. However, with the current discussion on Bee-L about AHB's, I thought it appropriate to still reply to these two posts. You may see it as "stirring up further trouble", but I see it as raising legitimate questions about how the AHB issue has been handled in this country and I expect those who make statements, such as yours, to be able to explain their position. You put your remarks online so now I have some questions about them. > If you want the > truth about bees in Arizona, I'm sure you know who to ask. You, I would think. I've talk to others about bees in Arizona which has given me one/their side of the story. Given that you live and work in the Tucson area and have had direct input to the work done at the lab, why wouldn't I expect you to have a lot of knowledge about the question I asked of you? Who else should I ask about your remarks of the lab trapping all these swarms over the years and what is done to determine if they are AHB or EHB? You are the one that made the statement about no EHB being in the Tucson area. That's a very bold statement and all I ask is how do you back this statement up. Again, I ask you by what method do you conclude that there are "no wild colonies of "european" strains of bees remaining in the Tucson area"? Knowing that there are still a couple of commercial beekeepers in the area and plenty of hobby beekeepers buying outside queens and you saying earlier that there has been no AHB's found in managed colonies in Tucson (or was it Arizona), you want us to believe that there are no domestic bees absconding from colonies to be picked up as feral swarms for Eur identification? And again, by what means are you identifying them? DNA, USDAID, kick the hive and see what happens, as someone said on BEE-L? Regards, Mr. Birkey aka Barry -------- John Edwards wrote: > Regardless of > the eventual manageability, There are now no wild colonies of "european" > strains of bees remaining in the Tucson area ( by which I mean the bees we > have used for several lifetimes). John, You mentioned in an earlier post the number of "AHB" swarms that have been caught and destroyed in the Tucson area last year. I remember it was in the 1000's. 10,000's? Is every swarm caught, tested by some means, to determine if they are AHB or not? If so, what kind of test is done? Wouldn't the fact that such extensive trapping is done, have a direct influence on the European strains of bees in the Tucson area being low? Article 30183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kindergarteners extract honey Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:41:56 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3b29ca18.307589171@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30183 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:41:25 GMT, "George Styer" wrote: >My kindergartner spent a day this week at local ranch for a field trip. The >activities included pressing apple cider, baking biscuits, woodworking, >crafts, making ice cream, and extracting honey. I took in 8 frames of honey, >2-frame crank extractor, hot knife, uncapping tank and strainer/bottler. >After I uncapped the frames and loaded them in the extractor, the kids did >all the rest of the work. 6 groups of 10 kids came through the station. They >spun and strained 30 lbs. and each group got to fill a 12 oz. squeeze bear >to have with their afternoon biscuits. It was great fun and a unique >experience for the kids. I learned it takes about 3 grown-ups per 10 kids to >keep them from sticking their fingers on the honey! > >Oh yeah, I made some sales too. > >-- >Geo How much did you get for a kindergardener? beekeep Article 30184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Malda" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm of bees Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:47:52 +0100 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <9gcb1t$4f4$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-19.powder-blue-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 992587645 4580 62.137.51.19 (15 Jun 2001 06:47:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2001 06:47:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30184 Hi I've just got off the phone from sister who was telling me that on Sunday 3rd June at around 1.00 PM, a swarm of bees, the size of a garage, came up over the Isle of Portland (Southwell) and headed north to Weymouth, Dorset. She and her husband said the noise of millions of bees travelling at a height of 10 feet of the ground was absolutely deafening. The weather on that day was hot and sunny with very little wind. The first question is did anybody else see this fantastic sight (is it usual to see such a large swarm of bees)and secondly is it possible that they actually came across the English channel from the continent. From a few stragglers that were seen trying to keep up, it appeared they were honey bees. Any ideas would be gratefully appreciated. Martin Article 30185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Cudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9g6blb$7erhb$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> <20010613063222.04524.00004702@ng-fv1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:58:32 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.213.70 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 992627672 209.245.213.70 (Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:54:32 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:54:32 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30185 I'm proud to say that the beekeeper's association that I'm a member of is doing its part to reverse the media bias against beekeepers. See: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/thisweek/zone01/news/938756 For a nice article that recently ran in the Houston Chronicle newspaper. Robert http://members.tripod.com/beetalk Article 30186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!192.12.69.9.MISMATCH!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures (and ahb) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:40:00 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3B2A6490.93FAC6E3@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3AE07DA0.7FEE1AF5@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <9c5h46028ka@drn.newsguy.com> <3AEDB2E1.8FEE6CCD@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <3B27A4A5.2E8D691@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30186 Barry Birkey wrote: > > > If you want the > > truth about bees in Arizona, I'm sure you know who to ask. I was referring, I'm sure you know, to Dee Lusby. > You, I would think. I've talk to others about bees in Arizona which has > given me one/their side of the story. Given that you live and work in the > Tucson area and have had direct input to the work done at the lab, why > wouldn't I expect you to have a lot of knowledge about the question I asked > of you? Who else should I ask about your remarks of the lab trapping all > these swarms over the years and what is done to determine if they are AHB or > EHB? OK, fair enough. The 10,000 swarm captures per year I mentioned is from commercial operations of which there are two large ones, BeeMaster and AAA Africanized Bee Removal. As I understand it, they account for about 1/3 each, with the remaining 1/3 made up of the dozens of smaller companies. The Tucson Bee Lab traps VERY few swarms, mostly Justin Schmidt's for research studies - probably less than 30 per year. Bee removal companies here are swamped with calls this year. With up to 50 swarms being removed by one company per day, their identification are pretty quick, usually by appearance or behavior. The founder of one company has told me that, basically, all of their calls are ahb. All I really know is that I used to work bees (and swarms, and feral colonies) in a T-shirt and Levis, and I can't do that anywhere here now. Almost all the hobbyist beekeepers here have given up. Article 30187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: When to stop feeding... Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:50:48 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B2AAD68.1D2714FD@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30187 When do I stop feeding? I've read and been told to put sugar water out until the bees stop drinking it. Well, they're still sucking it down! Should I stop feeding or should I feed until all the comb is drawn? Ideas? Advice? Thanks, Taylor Article 30188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "alan&fred" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sticky boards Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:39:55 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 4 Message-ID: <9geasj$oca$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.01.f3 X-Server-Date: 16 Jun 2001 00:56:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30188 How does one make a sticky board? Vaseline over wax paper/ crisco? is there a special material?? Help appreciated Article 30189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: gobow@webtv.net (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bottom board Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <25187-3B2AB86A-204@storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <3B25782D.9161A1E4@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRrNtHC42isjMb836LbSWkCPjHIpQIUKUC6MTgRoKi9fPXGZyY6gN+826g= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30189 Kent I live in the Oregon mountains and we do get winter. So the OMF will be closed for winter with the debris tray. I do vent year round with a 3/4" hole in the top super. I will try the insulated top covers I read about in last months American Bee Journal. Ray Article 30190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bottom board Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:24:42 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B2AC36A.309BC6E5@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3B2377C5.5D4154C6@kingston.net> <1b48e0c5.0106141201.3cd2eeff@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30190 Ok, Guess you do get winter Ray :) So far I'm seeing 0 - 1 mite per 24 hrs on all my hives. There was a very informative article last month in BeeCulture regarding threshholds for natural drop. Mark was asking about ants. Well since my screen boards sits on top of the bottom board there doesn't appear to be any problem. I see the odd ant in the tray but thats it. Now, I don't live where there is any real invasive ant species just the typical black ant. They just seem to want to build a home under the lid if I use a solid one. Which I do in the spring when I make the nucs. Soon as I switch to one with the screen, their're gone. So I don't have a problem Mark. Kent Stienburg Eastern Ontario Canada Article 30191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Mcelroy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Hiving a swarm... (Need advice) Lines: 60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 03:05:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.218.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 992660717 32.100.218.194 (Sat, 16 Jun 2001 03:05:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 03:05:17 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30191 hi DOn I bought some Bee lures when i started this year and cought 4swarms one after the other and I didnt even have to leave my yard. THey really work. mike "Don Bruder" wrote in message news:WDXS6.1264$to1.5852@typhoon.sonic.net... > > Greetings > > First off, this is gonna be short, fast and sweet, so pardon any "word > fumbles", please... > > Rookie beeman here... Been reading lots, and have a couple of 10 frame > hive bodies with frames (Plasticell foundation, I think) and a 5 frame > "micro-hive", also with the plasticell frames. Been getting ready to > start a hive or two with 'em. No bees as of yet, but that may change > tonight... > > I've just spotted a swarm here on our property in northern california. I > strongly suspect it was thrown by a feral hive that's been nesting in a > branch of one of our oak trees for the past two years. For obvious > reasons, I want to put it in a hive. I'm figuring the small 5-frame > would be the best bet in terms of "just get 'em parked before they head > out for elsewhere" > > Only problem: > The swarm has set itself up on a twig of another oak tree about 20 yards > from where the main colony is, and about 40-50 feet in the air. > > Any advice, short of a bucket truck? Or am I doomed to watch this swarm > vanish into the sunset? > > As I type this, it's about 7:30 PM local time, and the swarm is quietly > squirming around on the twig, with the sun getting ready to go down. > > I've tried tossing a string to carry a rope up over the branch and shake > them down, but the best I've managed with that has been to shake loose a > small segment of the swarm, which promptly disintegrated as it fell, and > regrouped with the main body up on the branch. > > Other ideas? > > I'd rather not lose a swarm that's almost certainly from "wild" stock > that's made it for 2+ years without human assistance in an area that was > nearly wiped out completely just a few years ago by varroa. > > Quick responses appreciated... Email address is good, and my mail-server > is fast if you think you can get to me quicker that way. > > > Thanks, guys... > > -- > Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are > now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 30192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-007cocsprp206.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm of bees Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:27:39 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <9gcb1t$4f4$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.f5.76 X-Server-Date: 16 Jun 2001 05:28:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30192 In article <9gcb1t$4f4$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Malda" wrote: > Hi > > I've just got off the phone from sister who was telling me that on Sunday > 3rd June at around 1.00 PM, a swarm of bees, the size of a garage, came up > over the Isle of Portland (Southwell) and headed north to Weymouth, Dorset. > She and her husband said the noise of millions of bees travelling at a > height of 10 feet of the ground was absolutely deafening. > > The weather on that day was hot and sunny with very little wind. > The first question is did anybody else see this fantastic sight (is it usual > to see such a large swarm of bees)and secondly is it possible that they > actually came across the English channel from the continent. From a few > stragglers that were seen trying to keep up, it appeared they were honey > bees. Any ideas would be gratefully appreciated. Sounds more like locusts to me. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cletus.bright.net!not-for-mail From: "jbongi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Package Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <3sJW6.9538$Bo2.286699@cletus.bright.net> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 09:49:38 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.143.22.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bright.net X-Trace: cletus.bright.net 992699263 209.143.22.59 (Sat, 16 Jun 2001 09:47:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 09:47:43 EDT Organization: bright.net Ohio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30193 Earlier this year I got 2 swarms by mail from the South - same time, same shipment, same "box-kite" package. One swarm arrived with almost no dead bees. The other swarm was completely dead - completely - except for the half dozen or so in the queen box. BUT, there was no queen in the box. Must have been overlooked at the apiary. The question is, was the lack of a queen the likely reason for the death of that swarm. I'm in N.E. Ohio, but at the time - early April - the weather wasn't particularly cold. Any ideas? Article 30194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Jun 2001 17:29:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: No drawing combs (911) Message-ID: <20010616132943.19645.00001862@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30194 I have read everything and there is something I can't figure out..... One hive I have is full of broods seal on all 8 racks. I add first super to prevent overcrowed 6 week ago. Today I remove inter cover to see how much comb has they been drawiing before to add Second super. They has not touch a thing but glue everthing that end. The rest of other already have Second super on because the first super are all full. The hive seem like they are work real good.. Oh by the way one more thing don't seem right. They drive the drones out and all drones are not welcome. It is too early for that. What do you guys think the problem was?????? Thanks. Tim Article 30195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Jun 2001 17:32:31 GMT References: <3B2AAD68.1D2714FD@yahoo.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: When to stop feeding... Message-ID: <20010616133231.19645.00001863@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30195 Now it time. Article 30196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Jun 2001 17:41:00 GMT References: <3b29ca18.307589171@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Kindergarteners extract honey Message-ID: <20010616134100.19645.00001865@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30196 Ways to go Geo! Article 30197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Jun 2001 17:39:50 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Are they getting ready to swarm? Message-ID: <20010616133950.19645.00001864@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30197 My guess is they just like to hang outside just like us camping out. My doing same thing. I would not worry about it. Funny, it could be one of the drones fart real bad so all the girls ran out for an fresh air. Tim Article 30198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news1.cableinet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9gcb1t$4f4$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Swarm of bees Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:14:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.31.190.139 X-Complaints-To: http://www.blueyonder.co.uk/abuse X-Trace: news1.cableinet.net 992715272 62.31.190.139 (Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:14:32 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:14:32 BST Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30198 Hello From my rudimentary geographic knowledge, Southwell is on the south side of Portland (often go to Weymouth - hate Portland, I can see why there was a prison there.) So I agree that it seems strange that a swarm came from "over the sea" I often think of bees (and therefore swarms) as shoppers, very lazy and so they will always take the easiest route. France is far too far away for bees to fly from so my guess is that someone on the island has bees (God only knows why, it's all rock!) and this should be easy to check up on with the local beekeepers association. The bees swarmed and settled on the south side of the island to have a look around for a new home. They sent out scout bees who found Portland a not very inviting place, so they looked over the harbour at Weymouth and found a much more inviting land so they set off to their new home, appearing to come from, hey presto, over the sea. A truly fine sight, a swarm of bees moving over the sea. Regards Nick Article 30199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are they getting ready to swarm? Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:59:15 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3b2be44f.445370306@news1.radix.net> References: <20010616133950.19645.00001864@ng-fk1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30199 On 16 Jun 2001 17:39:50 GMT, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: >My guess is they just like to hang outside just like us camping out. My doing >same thing. I would not worry about it. Funny, it could be one of the drones >fart real bad so all the girls ran out for an fresh air. > Tim Now that's a good theory! beekeep Article 30200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Weight Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:56:37 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <9ghnoa$lbs$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3b276888.179867250@west.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-219.fluorine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 992764490 21884 62.136.8.219 (17 Jun 2001 07:54:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2001 07:54:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30200 "Dave Hamilton" wrote in message news:3b276888.179867250@west.usenetserver.com... but 12lb/gallon is a good 14lb in the UK Article 30201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Weight Message-ID: <4c9pitg2llq2g3s89ksgn57ti5rvvghoqb@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:41:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 992781706 4.33.104.197 (Sun, 17 Jun 2001 05:41:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 05:41:46 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 05:39:43 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30201 fcmarket@ipro.net (craig1966) wrote: >How much honey, by weight, is in a pint jar? A pint of honey usually weighs slightly ~less~ than 1.5 pounds (about 23.6 oz). It varies depending on the moisture content. The specific gravity of honey at 18% moisture is 1.42 (per National Honey Board), meaning that a gallon on honey weighs 1.42 times that of water, or 11.8 pounds (1.42 * 8.34 pounds/gallon water). It is best to take the suggestion offered by Dave Orth and take a few full and empty jars to the post office or supermarket to weigh them. This method also adjusts for how high you are filling the jars. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!128.135.12.170.MISMATCH!news.uchicago.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Jun 2001 13:26:29 GMT References: <3B2AAD68.1D2714FD@yahoo.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: When to stop feeding... Message-ID: <20010617092629.20700.00001570@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30202 > I've read and been told to put sugar water out >until the bees stop drinking it. You heard right. Article 30203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!panix!news.panix.com!panix6.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@panix6.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Breeding Bees to be Varroa tolerant Date: 17 Jun 2001 10:01:27 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 55 Message-ID: <9gid7n$808$1@panix6.panix.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix6.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 992786487 28735 166.84.0.231 (17 Jun 2001 14:01:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2001 14:01:27 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30203 Howdy. I've been reading up on all the posts to bee-l and following the threads on varroa and breeding. We're working with several bee breeders using insemination and selection and observing varroa/bee interactions. Harbo's work to breed a heritable trait (SMR) along with Spivak, Rinder et .al with the Russians and the collective breeders of the HIP project working with hygienic behavior and general survivability brings us all lots closer to the time where we might be able to keep bees more easily with varroa mites in the colonies, on the bees. However, one serious aspect of breeding for tolerant bees that needs to be addressed along with varroa tolerance is the bee's ability to fend off the virus(es) that varroa mites (and maybe even tracheal) vector to the bees or activate within colonies. In the literature ( email me for a bibliography ) studies show that even after mite populations are lowered within colonies, virus levels may continue to rise, until the colony collapses. SMR and hygienic behavior is a great start, but selection must continue (and it does) with the colonies that have not only low mite loads, but then overwinter well. The HIP project uses a term for this called "untreated thriving survivor". UTS colonies make it through two years of varroa infestation. HIP breeders are not concerning themselves with the mechanism of the UTS colonies survival at this point, but just selecting for it. I think of breeding for varroa tolerance as a two phased approach: selection for low mite levels in infested colonies and selection from these colonies for survival in the subsequent years after queen introduction. Other breeders are trailing all the lines in the bee press: SMR, Russian, HIP, Minn. Hygienic and looking for pure and mixed combinations that provide healthy, productive bees that overwinter well and continue to produce into the next season. All this takes time, but progress is being made. With any bee stock you purchase from anywhere, the health and condition of the queen bears the most on the colony's performance. You might purchase a beautiful queen from an exotic pedigree of resistant stock, but if she's not been produced well or she sits in the mail for too many days, she's not going to do well for you. Chow for now. Sincerely, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 30204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-004cocsprp132.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to stop feeding... Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:51:41 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <3B2AAD68.1D2714FD@yahoo.com> <20010617092629.20700.00001570@ng-fq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.c4 X-Server-Date: 17 Jun 2001 16:52:41 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30204 In article <20010617092629.20700.00001570@ng-fq1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > > I've read and been told to put sugar water out > >until the bees stop drinking it. > > You heard right. Crofter, that's a 1:1 mix, right? I imagine that they would continue to take a stronger sugar mix even during a nectar flow, and it's the greater relative sugar content of the nectar to the sugar-water that causes them to leav the water, right? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-004cocsprp132.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sanitizing Old Boxes Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:55:27 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.c4 X-Server-Date: 17 Jun 2001 16:56:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30205 Greetings, all... An old boy up the road from us is getting rid of 50-75 old boxes in various states of disrepair. He's got deeps, mediums, shallows, frames, bottom boards, tops, etc. Some are worth having, some are totally rotten. They've been out in the weather several years, apparently. What's the best way to sanitize these before putting new bess in? I've heard/read about scrubbing with lye, scrubbing with Clorox, and singing the inside with a blow torch. Any recommendations? Also... there's a fair amount of wax comb in some of the boxes. Most of the comb is blackened and falling apart. Is this just from the weather, or does the dark colour signify something more sinister? THANKS! :) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wasps Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:44:29 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9gj19h$flv$1@uranium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-186-3.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30206 Any advice on how to defend against wasps (apart from finding the nests: I try each year - and almost always without success!)? They are a real pest to me - a (very) amateur beekeeper with just a few hives at the bottom of the garden here in central England. I'm sure I remember a recipe for a mixture designed to be put in bottles and attract and then drown them. Did it include banana skins....? If anyone remembers it or has any other advice, I'd be very grateful to hear of it. Thanks Paul Bowden Article 30207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Jun 2001 21:50:19 GMT References: <9gj19h$flv$1@uranium.btinternet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: Wasps Message-ID: <20010617175019.01616.00000251@nso-ml.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30207 In article <9gj19h$flv$1@uranium.btinternet.com>, "Paul Bowden" writes: > >Any advice on how to defend against wasps (apart from finding the nests: I >try each year - and almost always without success!)? They are a real pest >to me Here in my area they are quite beneficial, they (Polistes species, and the various "mud daubbers") are the main predator of the very devistating "army web worms" that defoliates our nut and fruit trees. I suspect they perform a similar function elsewhere. Bob Pursley Article 30208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sanitizing Old Boxes Date: 17 Jun 2001 17:28:24 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.102.196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 992824104 13008 127.0.0.1 (18 Jun 2001 00:28:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 2001 00:28:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30208 Howdy Stretch -- I think that boiling in lye water (l lb per 5 gallons water) is best because no spots are missed, and the solution soaks into the pores of the wood. Flaming misses some areas. The blackness of the comb is no importance. It will melt off if you boil and some can be salvaged. Chlorox is pretty mild. It may help with the fungus of Chalkbrood, but the lye water is more effective. Pete ***********************************************8888 Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > What's the best way to sanitize these before putting new bess in? > > Also... there's a fair amount of wax comb in some of the boxes. Most of > the comb is blackened and falling apart. Is this just from the weather, > or does the dark colour signify something more sinister? Article 30209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-001cocsprp011.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sanitizing Old Boxes Date: 18 Jun 2001 03:13:28 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ce.85.ac.13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30209 In article , hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) wrote: > Howdy Stretch -- > > I think that boiling in lye water (l lb per 5 gallons water) is best because > no spots are missed, and the solution soaks into the pores of the wood. Hmmm... now this brings up the question of... How do I set up things for the "boil"? Sounds like I need a LARGE (iron?) kettle of some sort, and a powerful fire. This may be more trouble than it's worth. Any suggestions? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Greg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mating Queens Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 04:23:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.69.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 992838192 24.66.69.64 (Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:23:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:23:12 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30210 I was just curious if there was any correlation between the success of a queen getting mated and the honey flow? What would the success rate be at different times of the season? The honey flow won't start for another week where I live and was just pondering..... Article 30211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mating Queens Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:39:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3b2de846.577450096@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30211 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 04:23:12 GMT, "Greg" wrote: >I was just curious if there was any correlation between the success of a >queen getting mated and the honey flow? What would the success rate be at >different times of the season? The honey flow won't start for another week >where I live and was just pondering..... > > It ain't worth a damn in the middle of the winter. beekeep Article 30212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 Jun 2001 12:43:50 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: When to stop feeding... Message-ID: <20010618084350.28797.00000316@ng-mi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30212 I have never encountered nectar that was richer in sugars than syrup. Article 30213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small Cells Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:49:20 -0400 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9gl0vj$9ltfm$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 992872244 10155510 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30213 I was wondering how folks are doing with the small cell foundation from Dadant? I spoke with a guy that worked at Dadant that said so far things were looking promising. He said that his bees had some issue of drawing it out at first as some areas were drawn out a bit larger but as they figured it out it seemed to work fine. Also, he mentioned that the bees were hatching earlier and smaller. -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Article 30214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@nospam.pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasps Message-ID: <3b2dfd7e.611217343@west.usenetserver.com> References: <9gj19h$flv$1@uranium.btinternet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 29 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:09:12 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. - ReInventing The UseNet Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:11:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30214 My wax moth recipe catches lots of wasps as well cut a 2" hole in a 2 qt pop bottle .. near the top stuff in 1 banana peel 1 cup sugar 1 cup vinegar fill with water .. after a week of fermenting you you see wasps floating belly up as well as moths Dave On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:44:29 +0100, "Paul Bowden" wrote: >Any advice on how to defend against wasps (apart from finding the nests: I >try each year - and almost always without success!)? They are a real pest >to me - a (very) amateur beekeeper with just a few hives at the bottom of >the garden here in central England. I'm sure I remember a recipe for a >mixture designed to be put in bottles and attract and then drown them. Did >it include banana skins....? If anyone remembers it or has any other >advice, I'd be very grateful to hear of it. > >Thanks > >Paul Bowden > > Article 30215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: When to stop feeding... X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B2E071F.6C870E78@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3B2AAD68.1D2714FD@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:50:24 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30215 I would stop when all your brood frames are drawn. Provided of course that you are starting with foundation. Taylor Francis wrote: > > When do I stop feeding? I've read and been told to put sugar water out > until the bees stop drinking it. Well, they're still sucking it down! > Should I stop feeding or should I feed until all the comb is drawn? > > Ideas? Advice? > > Thanks, > Taylor -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 30216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-006cocsprp091.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sanitizing Old Boxes Date: 18 Jun 2001 19:12:35 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.f4.b3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30216 In article , John Caldeira wrote: > NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > >An old boy up the road from us is getting rid of 50-75 old boxes in > >various states of disrepair. ....They've been out in the weather several years, apparently. > >What's the best way to sanitize these before putting new bess in? > ...... > Scrape the frames down, > then either give them a lye water bath... So I don't need to boil the lye solution? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!cass.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!cspc1n11e.baplc.com!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news1.cableinet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9gj19h$flv$1@uranium.btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Wasps Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:14:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.31.190.139 X-Complaints-To: http://www.blueyonder.co.uk/abuse X-Trace: news1.cableinet.net 992895276 62.31.190.139 (Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:14:36 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:14:36 BST Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30217 Hello Paul I live in the centre of England as well (Northern Worcestershire) and Wasps are a problem to beekeepers here. Despite thing that various folk advocate about Wasps being the efficient scavengers of the insect world, they are too dammed efficient when they buzz around you, especially on the one or two days in the year when you can eat outside in the evening (my wife goes beserk!). I enjoy swatting queens in April and May as they chew up my fences and garden sheds to make their nests, remember your not killing one but tens of thousands. Have you seen these new European wasps yet? God bless Europe! Luckily Wasp populations don't reach epidemic proportions until August by which time you should have the supers off and the strips in. At the same time try reducing the entrance to a bee space ready to start feeding if need be, I find that while this doesn't stop the problem it increases the bee's ability to defend the front door against robbers (Wasps and Bees.) Usually this is fine for strong colonies but if the colony is weak the only solution may be to move them to another site and hope that the problem doesn 't persist with the other hives in the apiary or isn't repeated at the other site. I find an old cone escape particularly useful for trapping wasps. Pointing down into one of those coffee jars with a plastic lid. Take a tank cutter and drill a hole in the plastic lid the same size as the escape and either glue or screw the escape to the lid. Hope this helps Nick Article 30218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.149!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are they getting ready to swarm? Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:29:24 -0500 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Mbone@gmx.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.149 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 992896165 10115377 216.167.138.149 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30218 >Are they getting ready to swarm? To find that out assuming you're using two chambers, there's an infallible test: examine the bottom of the frames in the top chamber do this carefully as to not destroy their queen cells. Start from the outside frames and remove two then work slowly and carefully to the center if you encounter half a dozen sealed queen cells on the bottom of those frames you can expect them to swam very soon. It's that simple I see this was written on the 15th so time is important I personally like to let them swarm and collect it and start a new hive. If you struggle with the bees to keep them from swarming they don't like it. If you want maintain a large population in the 'swarming' colony, then hive the swarm and remove the (old) queen, next morning reunite the two colonies with the newspaper method (just to be safe) C.K. Article 30219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need advice after bear trouble Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:57:44 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.116.161 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 992893806 209.226.116.161 (Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:50:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:50:06 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30219 Friday morning a bear tore apart one of our two hives. In the time I have lived here we've only seen a bear once, along with signs of his passing through, but we hadn't seen even sign before or after so I thought we were safe. I thought wrong. Anyhow, we spent two days in record breaking heat and humidity getting some electric fencing in. Now that the bee yard is (hopefully) safe, I am figuring out what to do for the colony that was attacked. The day of the attack and the following day there was very little activity outside of the hive. The brood frames were not removed from the bottom brood chamber, but it had been flipped over so many bee were probably crushed between frames. We didn't see our queen, so we just crossed our fingers. Yesterday and today the bees were flying again. I'm guesing that they had a lot of cleaning up to do and were focussing on that for a couple days. We were told that the best way to tell if our queen had been killed was to wait three days, then look for eggs. No eggs - no queen. Makes sense to me, and that's what we have done. We didn't see any eggs, but then I never have. Either they are just too tiny for my eyes (which are not all that great) or I just haven't figured out what they look like. I consider that test to be inconclusive because of my own inexperience. We did find two cells that *sort of* look like supercedure cells. They were in the right place, and they were vertically oriented, but they were much smaller than I would expect from the few pictures I have seen. They were about 3/4 of an inch tall, and open on the bottom. I couldn't really see what was inside. I'm trying to locate a new queen, but in the meantime I'm seeking comments on what I saw. Are queen cells that small at some point? What does it mean that they are open at the bottom? Do they start that way, or does it mean that the young queens have already emerged (obviously started before the bear trouble then.) Your sharing of experience will be much appreciated by this novice beekeeper. Frank. Article 30220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "De Witt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:43:59 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 35 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <9glvbs$5l2@library1.airnews.net> References: Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1-aux.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Jun 18 17:29:16 2001 NNTP-Posting-Host: !Z%LU1k-W#f$1Za (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30220 Who cares. Do they have a T-shirt to go with mine from Bucksnort, TN? "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:rjpqhtcpnmup867lcc0dteq444774b886f@4ax.com... > OK, I gotta ask. Watching this group you get stoires from all over the > place but where did Soddy Daisy get its name? > > On Thu, 24 May 2001 21:55:51 -0400, "bluehawk" > wrote: > > >I live in Soddy Daisy Tennessee. I just got a bee hive. I don't have a > >clue as to what I am doing. That about sums it up. I read books and a few > >journals and thought I was ready to keep bees so I ordered a hive and set it > >up and got a nuck of bees and installed them and all seems to be going well. > >The Queen is out of the trap and in the body of the hive. The bees have > >stayed in the hive and they seem to be working something. At least they are > >makeing many many trips in and out of the hive. So what do I do now? When > >do I put on a super? How do I know if they get infected with mites? When > >should I make my next check on them? I know I need to check for brood but > >they seem so tightly packed in th ehive that I am afraid of hurting a bunch > >of them if I remove a frame. Any help or advice would be really > >appreciated. > > > Article 30221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "De Witt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:44:51 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 37 Message-ID: <0BA20AE1D39D42C9.0F9372C41049B94D.AC02971995D0DF13@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <9gm010$59u@library1.airnews.net> References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1-aux.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Jun 18 17:40:33 2001 NNTP-Posting-Host: !YmmE1k-XRePW^+ (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30221 Since I live south of Dallas does that mean I live in South Texas? I would have to if Navasota is "deep" south Texas as I have seen it called. Cliff "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:mc5bgtcrhgvqqb8jb89gr82r6e1ik47bve@4ax.com... > >Dear Me > > Please tell an ignorant Englishman why the Texas panhandle > >is so called surely its the Oklahoma panhandle? > > All the Best. > > Mike Smith. > > You have to look at the map Mike they both have panhandles..look > vvvvvery carefully. > > Now young Mark there who said he's at the base of the Panhandle > meaning the Texas Panhandle, is not in the panhandle at all, but > really in West Texas, but not as west as you might think if you saw > the map. In fact he's still hundreds of miles from far west Texas > like he's hundreds of miles south of the Panhandle. People in the > Texas Panhandle like to describe themselves as being in West Texas > too, meaning they're west of Dallas, but they're really not in west > texas at all, but north texas. They will nonetheless argue with you by > pointing to the fact that there's a local college called West Texas > State, then it dawns on you when you realize this college is part of > the Texas A&M 'system' of regional colleges. They could have named > West Texas State, North Texas State, but that already existed near > Dallas, in East Texas. > > C.K. > > C.K. Article 30222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive removal cleanup/Lures Date: 18 Jun 2001 15:56:03 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 57 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0106181456.3e7f4428@posting.google.com> References: <71rX6.17442$R7.3050938@typhoon.kc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.47.48.69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 992904964 29429 127.0.0.1 (18 Jun 2001 22:56:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 2001 22:56:04 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30222 As to the cleanup issue, yes, unless you get the honey out of there, other critters will come after it. One way is if you can get your beekeeper friend to move a hive close by. The bees will then clean it up. Washing it down, as you suggest, should work as long as you can get it all. You then need to scrape off all the comb, and then make the area as inaccessable to other bees as possible. A swarm, looking for a home, will smell your soffit out and figure that if bees lived there before, it must be a good location. (Paint exposed areas, fill enclosed areas with foam or fiberglass, fill all cracks/ entrances with caulk.) This thought kind of goes along with your inquiry about lures. I've use lures a couple times with success, but I've also use an old frame of black comb as a lure successfully. As to putting a colony in your tree, a far superior decision would be to set up your own beehive. The moveable frames allow for inspections and manipulations. This then allows for a more intelligent decision on making disease treatments. Also, most disease/ mite treatments involving medication require it to be placed either within the brood nest or right above it. I could rattle on further about numerous other advantages to having a box of bees instead of a tree-full, but I won't. Regards, Nuc "Thomas Hudson" wrote in message news:<71rX6.17442$R7.3050938@typhoon.kc.rr.com>... > I had a colony of bees living in the soffit of my house starting in spring > of 2000. Because of the way my hone's built (soffits are closed off from > the attic) I didn't have anyone come get them out, because they were > isolated and weren't getting into the house. A local beekeper brought over > a box with honey, pollen, etc and thought we could entice them out of the > soffit and into the box. > > Well, a couple of weeks later we found that we now had TWO colonies -- one > in the soffit and one in the box. We left the soffit bees in place until > yesterday, the other box was taken away to one of the keeper's bee yards > last fall, where it's doing fine today. > > Yesterday, we removed the colony in the soffit, because the bees somehow > found a way into the attic and were going to become a big problem. The > beekeeper removed pretty much everything but there's honey residue on the > brick and wood in the soffit area. My main worry now is that I'll get ants > or other pests moving in to get the honey. Does anyone have suggestions for > the cleanup? I imagine I can mix up some detergent in a sprayer and > carefully wash it all down, but I thought there might be a better way. > Comments? > > I'm going to miss those bees, we have a huge garden and it was just great > seeing a colony of wild, mite-resistant bees working away, getting water at > the ponds, etc. Prior to them moving in, I rarely saw a honeybee in the > yard -- Just bumbles and smaller bees. > > We have a big, hollow apple tree that would be perfect for another colony to > move into, but the beekeper was worried that if he moved the colony into the > tree, which is just 100 feet away, they'd just try to get back into the > house. What's the story with these lures I've heard about? I'd like to get > some bees into that tree, where we could treat them for mites as necessary. > > -Tom Article 30223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Cells Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:43:31 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 31 Message-ID: <9gm41k$l6v$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <9gl0vj$9ltfm$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-11-79.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 992908148 21727 209.23.11.79 (18 Jun 2001 23:49:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 2001 23:49:08 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30223 Hi, It's going very slow I must say. Bees can't go to the 4.9mm cells all in one step(usually). I started most hives on 1 inch strips when shook down. Most have drawn 5.0-5.05mm cell size. Some hives were placed on full sheets of foundation and have been drawn out at 4.9-4.95 cell sizing. If one is going to regress colonies you need to pick colonies with the smallest body sizing to get proper combs drawn out quickly and accurately. One may have to cull up to 70% of combs until they are drawn out at 4.90mm cell size. According to Lusby's varroa can't be controled at larger cell sizing than 4.90. Also, Dadant foundation has stretching to it and isn't quite accurate, and it must be! So be careful if you try this. To regress large numbers of colonies one really must mill there own foundation. It is quite costly to replace culled combs if buying the foundation. > it out it seemed to work fine. Also, he mentioned that the bees were > hatching earlier and smaller. Yes. Not much earlier(I could be wrong). You do get many more bees per brood cycle however as there are more cells per comb. I'm optmistic at this point as varroa is present and regression is not yet completed. Very few damaged bees in these colonies compared to almost all others from the same yard(doesn't mean much yet). Having talked with the Lusby's the smaller bees can thermoregulate better over winter as the clusters are much tighter(I'll soon know). Also if you have a copy of Wedmore, A manual of beekeeping 1948, he says the same thing as the Lusbys(mentions breeding for larger bees too and the fact they don't over winter as well). Also Philips 1919 does too! With all that said is really to early to say much at all. Clay Article 30224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!Amsterdam.Infonet!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sanitizing Old Boxes Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:44:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.89 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 992868253 4.33.104.89 (Mon, 18 Jun 2001 05:44:13 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 05:44:13 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 05:42:09 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30224 NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: >An old boy up the road from us is getting rid of 50-75 old boxes in >various states of disrepair. ....They've been out in the weather several years, apparently. >What's the best way to sanitize these before putting new bess in? ...... >Also... there's a fair amount of wax comb in some of the boxes. Most of >the comb is blackened and falling apart. Is this just from the weather, >or does the dark colour signify something more sinister? Scraping the boxes down to remove the moth cocoons and propolis, and repainting where needed is usually all that is needed to recover old boxes. Deep boxes that have rot on an edge can often be cut down to be a medium or shallow super by trimming with a table saw. Box sections can also be replaced nicely now with the newer waterproof wood glues. Comb that is black and falling apart has probably been moth damaged, but most frames are probably okay to reuse. Scrape the frames down, then either give them a lye water bath or some time in a solar wax melter to finish the job. No burning or complicated sanitizing is normally needed. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sanitizing Old Boxes Date: 18 Jun 2001 17:09:46 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 992909386 30758 127.0.0.1 (19 Jun 2001 00:09:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2001 00:09:46 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30225 Howdy Stretch -- The idea of scraping and painting is a good one and would be adequate. However, a large wash tub over a propane burner does a good job and may be a little faster. Pete **************************************** Article 30226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sanitizing Old Boxes Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 00:44:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.105.16 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 992911467 4.33.105.16 (Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:44:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:44:27 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:42:18 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30226 NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: >> ...... >> Scrape the frames down, >> then either give them a lye water bath... > >So I don't need to boil the lye solution? The frames will get clean at anything hotter than about 180 degrees F. I really don't know if boiling would add any value. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Larsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <71rX6.17442$R7.3050938@typhoon.kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: Hive removal cleanup/Lures Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 02:28:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.0.177.146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 992917725 24.0.177.146 (Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:28:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:28:45 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30227 I have the same problem - bees in the soffit - and I've been lurking in this NG looking for a solution. So far I've seen "benzaldehyde" & "menthol" suggested for use as bee repellants - "carbaryl" powder is supposed to kill the hive. I'm just passing along what I've read & have no experience w/ these substances. I opened the roof about 5 months ago. I killed everything in sight w/ bug spray & scooped out 7 combs - washed the area w/ ammonia & water / sprayed WD-40 on the rafters --- all to no avail. They are back. I'm getting the building ready to sell & this time I'm going to try expanding foam, carbaryl powder & fiberglass insulation. If anybody knows how to get rid of bees I'd like to hear/read about it. Thomas Hudson wrote in message <71rX6.17442$R7.3050938@typhoon.kc.rr.com>... >I had a colony of bees living in the soffit of my house starting in spring >of 2000. Article 30228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!cyclone3.kc.rr.com!news3.kc.rr.com!typhoon.kc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Thomas Hudson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive removal cleanup/Lures Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <71rX6.17442$R7.3050938@typhoon.kc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:39:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.160.245.113 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.kc.rr.com 992885955 24.160.245.113 (Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:39:15 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:39:15 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30228 I had a colony of bees living in the soffit of my house starting in spring of 2000. Because of the way my hone's built (soffits are closed off from the attic) I didn't have anyone come get them out, because they were isolated and weren't getting into the house. A local beekeper brought over a box with honey, pollen, etc and thought we could entice them out of the soffit and into the box. Well, a couple of weeks later we found that we now had TWO colonies -- one in the soffit and one in the box. We left the soffit bees in place until yesterday, the other box was taken away to one of the keeper's bee yards last fall, where it's doing fine today. Yesterday, we removed the colony in the soffit, because the bees somehow found a way into the attic and were going to become a big problem. The beekeeper removed pretty much everything but there's honey residue on the brick and wood in the soffit area. My main worry now is that I'll get ants or other pests moving in to get the honey. Does anyone have suggestions for the cleanup? I imagine I can mix up some detergent in a sprayer and carefully wash it all down, but I thought there might be a better way. Comments? I'm going to miss those bees, we have a huge garden and it was just great seeing a colony of wild, mite-resistant bees working away, getting water at the ponds, etc. Prior to them moving in, I rarely saw a honeybee in the yard -- Just bumbles and smaller bees. We have a big, hollow apple tree that would be perfect for another colony to move into, but the beekeper was worried that if he moved the colony into the tree, which is just 100 feet away, they'd just try to get back into the house. What's the story with these lures I've heard about? I'd like to get some bees into that tree, where we could treat them for mites as necessary. -Tom Article 30229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp1.njy.teleglobe.net!teleglobe.net!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!cyclone3.kc.rr.com!news3.kc.rr.com!typhoon.kc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Thomas Hudson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <71rX6.17442$R7.3050938@typhoon.kc.rr.com> <9936fa52.0106181456.3e7f4428@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Hive removal cleanup/Lures Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 04:31:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.160.245.113 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.kc.rr.com 992925072 24.160.245.113 (Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:31:12 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:31:12 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30229 I cleaned out the area then flushed it with hot water from a hose, then closed it all up and caulked where the bees were entering it. Next time I see bees going into any part of the house, I'll remove them quickly before their colony gets too large, that should make it possible to extract the queen alive with enough of her colony to relocate safely. As for setting up a hive box, it's illegal here in my city. I'm hoping a colony in the tree will get around the issue and give me the pollination I want, plus let me help out some wild bees by treating them for mites. I don't care about getting honey from them. I realize the anti-mite strips are made to hang between frames in a box, but hopefully the beekeper and I can come up with something. Thanks for the info. -Tom Nuc Skep wrote in message news:9936fa52.0106181456.3e7f4428@posting.google.com... > As to the cleanup issue, yes, unless you get the honey out of there, other > critters will come after it. One way is if you can get your beekeeper friend > to move a hive close by. The bees will then clean it up. Washing it down, as > you suggest, should work as long as you can get it all. You then need to > scrape off all the comb, and then make the area as inaccessable to other bees > as possible. A swarm, looking for a home, will smell your soffit out and figure > that if bees lived there before, it must be a good location. (Paint exposed > areas, fill enclosed areas with foam or fiberglass, fill all cracks/ entrances > with caulk.) This thought kind of goes along with your inquiry about lures. > I've use lures a couple times with success, but I've also use an old frame of > black comb as a lure successfully. > > As to putting a colony in your tree, a far superior decision would be to set > up your own beehive. The moveable frames allow for inspections and > manipulations. This then allows for a more intelligent decision on making > disease treatments. Also, most disease/ mite treatments involving medication > require it to be placed either within the brood nest or right above it. I > could rattle on further about numerous other advantages to having a box of > bees instead of a tree-full, but I won't. > > Regards, > Nuc Article 30230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 Jun 2001 12:24:55 GMT References: <9gmqqa$nm0$3@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: When to stop feeding... Message-ID: <20010619082455.24566.00000004@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30230 Wow what's it's honey taste like? Article 30231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.netins.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers Demonstration Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <7ZMX6.19885$aV1.1953383@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:36:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.224.190.195 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 992975811 65.224.190.195 (Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:36:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:36:51 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:34:45 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30231 Hello! I have been asked by some local groups, to put on a demonstration of what a beekeeper does and why local honey is so precious. It isn't that i don't not know the answers, but what i'd like to know is if.... ...any other of my fellow beekeepers have done this sort of thing - and what topics - presentations, are most popular? I would eventually be showing BeeKeeping to school children, senior citizen groups, etc. What methods (props, etc) do you use that aren't too cumbersome? I really would appreciate any advice you could give to a first-time "to be" public speaker. Thank you in advance, Lucy Article 30232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!ldn-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!dionysos.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Need advice after bear trouble Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:13:11 +0100 Lines: 76 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Organization: clara.net http://www.clara.net/ Message-ID: <992977989.422801@dionysos> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.142.214 Lines: 76 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: 7851027c840f2c04ed1a0a8676d0e300786600aab61ee118e56874743b2fa445 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30232 Franks Eggs look like grains of rice only smaller. You can break down a part (only a small part) of the Queen cell wall to look inside for an egg or larva provided the cell are not sealed the bees will rebuild them.also you can put a frame of eggs in from another colony to test for Queenlessness.if a colony is not Queen right the bees will draw out emergency Queen cells over a few of the eggs or larvae. Emergency Queen cells do not stand out from the comb as far as swarm queen cells because they are made up over eggs or larvae already in the worker cells,and queen cells from which a queen has hatched will have the cell cap still attached for up to a week later.However Frank my best advise to you is to read up more and invest in a magnifying glass as I have done myself. All the Best. Mike Smith. Beginners Astronomy. http://home.clara.net/thedoor/ Farnham Astro Society. http://www.farnhamas.plus.com/ "Frank" wrote in message news:OXsX6.17469$Vl2.789774@news20.bellglobal.com... > Friday morning a bear tore apart one of our two hives. In the time I have > lived here we've only seen a bear once, along with signs of his passing > through, but we hadn't seen even sign before or after so I thought we were > safe. I thought wrong. > > Anyhow, we spent two days in record breaking heat and humidity getting some > electric fencing in. Now that the bee yard is (hopefully) safe, I am > figuring out what to do for the colony that was attacked. > > The day of the attack and the following day there was very little activity > outside of the hive. The brood frames were not removed from the bottom > brood chamber, but it had been flipped over so many bee were probably > crushed between frames. We didn't see our queen, so we just crossed our > fingers. Yesterday and today the bees were flying again. I'm guesing that > they had a lot of cleaning up to do and were focussing on that for a couple > days. > > We were told that the best way to tell if our queen had been killed was to > wait three days, then look for eggs. No eggs - no queen. Makes sense to > me, and that's what we have done. > > We didn't see any eggs, but then I never have. Either they are just too > tiny for my eyes (which are not all that great) or I just haven't figured > out what they look like. I consider that test to be inconclusive because of > my own inexperience. > > We did find two cells that *sort of* look like supercedure cells. They were > in the right place, and they were vertically oriented, but they were much > smaller than I would expect from the few pictures I have seen. They were > about 3/4 of an inch tall, and open on the bottom. I couldn't really see > what was inside. > > I'm trying to locate a new queen, but in the meantime I'm seeking comments > on what I saw. Are queen cells that small at some point? What does it mean > that they are open at the bottom? Do they start that way, or does it mean > that the young queens have already emerged (obviously started before the > bear trouble then.) > > Your sharing of experience will be much appreciated by this novice > beekeeper. > > Frank. > > > Article 30233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!feeder02.wxs.nl!not-for-mail From: "Oskar Nauman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: In search for a good Bee-site Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:50:41 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet Lines: 4 Message-ID: <9goa2v$8ero1$1@reader01.wxs.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: ipc379d52d.dial.wxs.nl X-Trace: reader01.wxs.nl 992979871 8875777 195.121.213.45 (19 Jun 2001 19:44:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wxs.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2001 19:44:31 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30233 I'm looking for a good site to download pictures for a project my son has to do for school! Article 30234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasps Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:11:30 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9gmqq5$nm0$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <9gj19h$flv$1@uranium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-80.cesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 992931461 24256 62.136.46.80 (19 Jun 2001 06:17:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2001 06:17:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30234 Half fill a wine bottle with sugar syrup and stand it new your hives. Wasps go in, bees do not. Good excuse to drinks lots of wine if you have many hives! The banana skin trap is for wax moths. There were postings about this last year and I have recently tried some with amazing results - full of moths in just one week. Many thanks to those who recommended this method. "Paul Bowden" wrote in message news:9gj19h$flv$1@uranium.btinternet.com... > Any advice on how to defend against wasps (apart from finding the nests: I > try each year - and almost always without success!)? They are a real pest > to me - a (very) amateur beekeeper with just a few hives at the bottom of > the garden here in central England. I'm sure I remember a recipe for a > mixture designed to be put in bottles and attract and then drown them. Did > it include banana skins....? If anyone remembers it or has any other > advice, I'd be very grateful to hear of it. > > Thanks > > Paul Bowden > > Article 30235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to stop feeding... Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:16:37 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9gmqqa$nm0$3@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20010618084350.28797.00000316@ng-mi1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-80.cesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 992931466 24256 62.136.46.80 (19 Jun 2001 06:17:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2001 06:17:46 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30235 Horse chestnut can be 84%. "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20010618084350.28797.00000316@ng-mi1.aol.com... > I have never encountered nectar that was richer in sugars than syrup. > > > > > > > Article 30236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasps Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:15:08 +0100 Lines: 43 Message-ID: <9gmqq5$nm0$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <9gj19h$flv$1@uranium.btinternet.com> <3b2dfd7e.611217343@west.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-80.cesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 992931461 24256 62.136.46.80 (19 Jun 2001 06:17:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2001 06:17:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30236 I will be interested to see if mine catch wasps as well - none yet, but it is a bit early. I fill the bottles without cutting the holes in the side, put the cap back on and then give them a good shake. I can then take them to out-apiaries without spilling the contents and then cut the holes there. "Dave Hamilton" wrote in message news:3b2dfd7e.611217343@west.usenetserver.com... > My wax moth recipe catches lots of wasps as well > > cut a 2" hole in a 2 qt pop bottle .. near the top > stuff in > 1 banana peel > 1 cup sugar > 1 cup vinegar > fill with water .. after a week of fermenting you you see wasps > floating belly up as well as moths > > Dave > > On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:44:29 +0100, "Paul Bowden" > wrote: > > >Any advice on how to defend against wasps (apart from finding the nests: I > >try each year - and almost always without success!)? They are a real pest > >to me - a (very) amateur beekeeper with just a few hives at the bottom of > >the garden here in central England. I'm sure I remember a recipe for a > >mixture designed to be put in bottles and attract and then drown them. Did > >it include banana skins....? If anyone remembers it or has any other > >advice, I'd be very grateful to hear of it. > > > >Thanks > > > >Paul Bowden > > > > > > Article 30237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@nospam.pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: In search for a good Bee-site Message-ID: <3b2fb439.723532281@west.usenetserver.com> References: <9goa2v$8ero1$1@reader01.wxs.nl> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:19:25 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. - ReInventing The UseNet Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:21:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30237 www.libertybee.com/links.htm On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:50:41 +0200, "Oskar Nauman" wrote: >I'm looking for a good site to download pictures for a project my son has to >do for school! > > Article 30238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeepers Demonstration Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:17:28 +0100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <9gofn7$dcb$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7ZMX6.19885$aV1.1953383@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-106.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 992985639 13707 62.136.11.106 (19 Jun 2001 21:20:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2001 21:20:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30238 Depends on the time of year but, for a start: Empty frame and full one to show how much honey the comb can hold Queen cell Queen - if you have one -, drone and worker Honey for tasting (clear and set) and enough plastic spoons Super, to demonstrate how a hive is constructed Queen excluder Skep, to talk about catching swarms "Lucy" wrote in message news:7ZMX6.19885$aV1.1953383@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Hello! > I have been asked by some local groups, to put on a demonstration of what a > beekeeper does and why local honey is so precious. > It isn't that i don't not know the answers, but what i'd like to know is > if.... > ...any other of my fellow beekeepers have done this sort of thing - and what > topics - presentations, are most popular? I would eventually be showing > BeeKeeping to school children, senior citizen groups, etc. > What methods (props, etc) do you use that aren't too cumbersome? > I really would appreciate any advice you could give to a first-time "to be" > public speaker. > Thank you in advance, > Lucy > > > Article 30239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to stop feeding... Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:18:47 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9gofn7$dcb$2@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <9gmqqa$nm0$3@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <20010619082455.24566.00000004@ng-cp1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-106.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 992985639 13707 62.136.11.106 (19 Jun 2001 21:20:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2001 21:20:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30239 Dark, full flavoured - like many of the tree honeys - good for blending with rape. "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20010619082455.24566.00000004@ng-cp1.aol.com... > Wow what's it's honey taste like? > > > > > > Article 30240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.tele.dk!195.224.25.10!sn-uk-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Tom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BIBBA Queen Rearing Workshop, (N.W. England) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:57:36 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30240 Furness Beekeepers are to host a BIBBA Queen Rearing Workshop at Gleaston Watermill and their apiary site at the Mill, On Saturday 28th July 2001 Three instrucors from BIBBA will cover such topics as 'The Selection of Colonies for Breeding' 'The Technique og Grafting Larvae' and 'The Successful Use of Mini-nucs' Beekeepers bringing a 5-frame nucleus will have the opportunity to take home grafted larvae from both local 'black' bees and from selected BIBBA strains. Gleaston is between Ulverston and Barrow-in-Furness in Cumbria. The fee for the course is £15. Excluding refreshments.All beekeepers are welcome, but places are strictly limited. Further details from David Walmesley, e-mail davened@lineone.net This could be the start of a succesful 2002. Article 30241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!192.12.69.9.MISMATCH!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: In search for a good Bee-site Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:49:56 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3B2FE523.4F4DC8B0@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <9goa2v$8ero1$1@reader01.wxs.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30241 Oskar Nauman wrote: > I'm looking for a good site to download pictures for a project my son has to > do for school! That will teach you where the pictures are, but what will it teach your son ? Article 30242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bad spring Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:21:27 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 8 Message-ID: <9gp56d$sr2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-8-245.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 993007629 29538 209.23.8.245 (20 Jun 2001 03:27:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 2001 03:27:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30242 Hi, Have you been feeding continuously to build them up? Cold is Ok, bees need to eat. Do you feed pets or livestock? Same with bees. Clay Article 30243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7ZMX6.19885$aV1.1953383@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Beekeepers Demonstration Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:41:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.224.190.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 993008469 65.224.190.166 (Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:41:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:41:09 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:38:59 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30243 Thank you Peter and John! Your advice is of course, invaluable and i do appreciate it! While i'm not too eager to bring along an observation hive at this time - i will heed your words on the other bits of advice! Very good ideas indeed! Since I am doing all of this myself with no assistant, i am looking for the most intriguing displays! Thank you so much! :-) Lucy <- enjoys being a Beezy Bee :) "Lucy" wrote in message news:7ZMX6.19885$aV1.1953383@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Hello! > I have been asked by some local groups, to put on a demonstration of what a > beekeeper does and why local honey is so precious. > It isn't that i don't not know the answers, but what i'd like to know is > if.... > ...any other of my fellow beekeepers have done this sort of thing - and what > topics - presentations, are most popular? I would eventually be showing > BeeKeeping to school children, senior citizen groups, etc. > What methods (props, etc) do you use that aren't too cumbersome? > I really would appreciate any advice you could give to a first-time "to be" > public speaker. > Thank you in advance, > Lucy > > > > Article 30244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sdd.hp.com!agilent.com!news.isc.org!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!news.dircon.co.uk.POSTED!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK Local Honey Producers Message-ID: <993021401@zbee.com> Lines: 18 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:16:41 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@dircon.co.uk X-Trace: news.dircon.co.uk 993021714 194.112.43.78 (Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:21:54 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:21:54 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30244 Hello all, Announcing a new search engine for (UK only) "Local Honey Producers". * Search database using TOWN,COUNTY,POST CODE. * Become a instant member and add beekeeper to database. This new service should help the public find a local honey producer. This is a UK only database. This new service by Northern Bee Books can be found at the url: http://www.beedata.com/localhoney Regards Steve (webmaster for beedata) ... When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees. Article 30245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive become active Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:55:40 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9gr2lu$lbi2@news.vtx.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-5-p52.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30245 Can anyone help explain. I have four hives, one of which has been very lethargic this summer. Bees hovering, slowly going inside and out, but no purposeful flight. Since 2 days it has become very active. New queens? -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Suisse tél. portable 0041 78 6272967 Article 30246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Jun 2001 02:11:22 GMT References: <1b48e0c5.0106200442.45508a6@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: sticky boards Message-ID: <20010620221122.11027.00000265@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30246 Old shelf paper from Dollar store would be cheeaper. Article 30247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: chuckwm@hotmail.com (Chuck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sticky boards Date: 20 Jun 2001 05:42:07 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1b48e0c5.0106200442.45508a6@posting.google.com> References: <9geasj$oca$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.48.25.10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993040928 25739 127.0.0.1 (20 Jun 2001 12:42:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 2001 12:42:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30247 "alan&fred" wrote in message news:<9geasj$oca$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>... > How does one make a sticky board? Vaseline over wax paper/ crisco? is there > a special material?? Help appreciated Somewhere I read that someone simply bought shelf paper, removed the backing and put it in sticky side up. Cheers, Chuck Article 30248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeeds.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!169.207.30.12.MISMATCH!posts0.nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!posts.news.corecomm.net!reader3-nwblwi.news.corecomm.net!not-for-mail From: "mbelluso" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie- Swarm / Queen Status Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:36:38 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3b30a83b$0$18886$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net> Organization: CoreComm LTD - Chicago, IL NNTP-Posting-Host: 42f89a3e.news.corecomm.net X-Trace: DXC=Zi[8TJ^ofa8bV?_m\CJ]D6@h7X@\0oLO=bo1K;GlJd>;dAcKco4nOk:LC_IFa]0h`3L^:NkYe\2V92O:9=cN<:X8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@corecomm.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30248 Hi All, I have recently received a swarm. I checked it after about two weeks so as not to disturb too much and found plenty of new brood. In short things looked pretty good. Question for the group regarding splits. Does the old queen fly with the split or does she stay behind? If the newly hatched queen goes with the group, does she mate before or after the move? I'm trying to get the chronology straight in my head, just in case I get lucky again. Bottom line, will I need to think about re-queening this fall because of age related decline? mbelluso@hotmail.com Article 30249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: drezac@greenapple.com (Duane Rezac) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long does it take for a Superseeding Queen to start Laying? Date: 20 Jun 2001 07:09:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7ec141c5.0106200609.7260aa0@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.26.122.12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993046177 26973 127.0.0.1 (20 Jun 2001 14:09:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 2001 14:09:37 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30249 I Decieded to try to start a new hive off of my son's established hive. As per a suggestion I saw here, I selected 4 frames with uncapped brood, brushed off all the bees and placed them in my super on top of his Queen Excluder. The Next Day I moved my super over to my own bottom board. I checked on them the next week and had several queen cells. I have now confirmed that the queen cells have all hatched. My question is how long will it usualy take for a queen to start laying after she has hatched? So far it's been about 1 1/2 weeks since the queen cells have hatched, and I have not found any sign of new brood yet. I have not been able to locate the queen yet, although we also have not been able to locate the queen in my son's hive that is well established, so I think that it's more a issue of our lack of experience in locating the queen. Thanks Duane Rezac Article 30250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7ec141c5.0106200609.7260aa0@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: How long does it take for a Superseeding Queen to start Laying? Lines: 46 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:02:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 993056541 12.72.46.210 (Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:02:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:02:21 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30250 1 1/2 weeks is about the soonest you should expect to see eggs. This is all variable depending on many factors. Eggs can be very difficult to see if you don't know what you are looking for. I find it much easier if the frame is not in direct sunlight as the light can reflect off the honey in the bottom of cells creating the illusion of a small white crescent-shaped egg. If you are still working with only 4 frames, this is a good time to practice locating the queen. Try holding the frame at a slight angle and don't look at individual bees. Once you find her, observe how she moves about the comb. If she has mated, her movements and the surrounding bees behavior will be quite different. It is just a matter of training your eye to spot her and I find that observing the movement of the bees often betrays her location. Virgins are more difficult as their abdomens are short and the workers are indifferent to her. Once you get some practice, mark her thorax with a dot of paint. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Duane Rezac" wrote in message news:7ec141c5.0106200609.7260aa0@posting.google.com... > I Decieded to try to start a new hive off of my son's established > hive. As per a suggestion I saw here, I selected 4 frames with > uncapped brood, brushed off all the bees and placed them in my super > on top of his Queen Excluder. The Next Day I moved my super over to my > own bottom board. I checked on them the next week and had several > queen cells. I have now confirmed that the queen cells have all > hatched. My question is how long will it usualy take for a queen to > start laying after she has hatched? So far it's been about 1 1/2 > weeks since the queen cells have hatched, and I have not found any > sign of new brood yet. I have not been able to locate the queen yet, > although we also have not been able to locate the queen in my son's > hive that is well established, so I think that it's more a issue of > our lack of experience in locating the queen. > > Thanks > > Duane Rezac Article 30251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3b30a83b$0$18886$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net> Subject: Re: Newbie- Swarm / Queen Status Lines: 41 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:13:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 993057200 12.72.46.210 (Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:13:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:13:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30251 The old queen leaves with the first swarm before the new queens emerge. This is the primary swarm. Some colonies will cast several swarms over the period of a few days. These afterswarms will leave with a virgin queen which will mate after a new hive is located. Bottom line is that unless you get a swarm with a marked queen, you will be unsure of her age. She could be a few days old or a year or more. As for requeening, that is largely a matter of preference. Some like to keep the genetics of a queen that could build a colony up sufficiently to swarm. Others will tell you to get rid of a queen whose genetics tend toward swarming. I would let your situation dictate the path you choose. If you live in an urban or suburban environment, requeen. You don't want your bees going through you neighborhood like a train wreck next spring. Fall is a good time to requeen (depending on your local conditions), so if you plan on annual requeening you may as well replace her then. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "mbelluso" wrote in message news:3b30a83b$0$18886$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net... > Hi All, > > I have recently received a swarm. I checked it after about two weeks so as > not to disturb too much and found plenty of new brood. In short things > looked pretty good. Question for the group regarding splits. Does the old > queen fly with the split or does she stay behind? If the newly hatched > queen goes with the group, does she mate before or after the move? I'm > trying to get the chronology straight in my head, just in case I get lucky > again. Bottom line, will I need to think about re-queening this fall > because of age related decline? mbelluso@hotmail.com > > Article 30252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0412.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:53:19 -0500 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> <0BA20AE1D39D42C9.0F9372C41049B94D.AC02971995D0DF13@lp.airnews.net> Reply-To: Mbone@gmx.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0412.nts-online.net (216.167.132.157) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 993146001 11303351 216.167.132.157 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30252 >Since I live south of Dallas does that mean I live in South Texas? I would >have to if Navasota is "deep" south Texas as I have seen it called. Hi Cliff, To answer your query, no you're just in south dallas, there's also a north dallas and a north dallas 40. You're still in north texas near north texas state university. Navasota is sort of east texas but west of the real east texas where they don't even speak english. (in fact you have to be from rural Tennessee to understand them) You know you're in south texas because of the large number of border patrol vehicles and checkpoints along the highway. They also don't speak english down there either, but spanish, and if you ask them they will tell you their spanish but they're really mexicans. At least you can understand what they're saying (if you speak spanish) unlike east texas. Hope this clarify things, C.K. Article 30253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard <"poll7356 NO SPAM "@uidaho.edu> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: In search for a good Bee-site Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:17:15 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3B323A2B.16FAF9DE@uidaho.edu> References: <9goa2v$8ero1$1@reader01.wxs.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: stokes.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 993147327 7445 129.101.81.64 (21 Jun 2001 18:15:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 2001 18:15:27 GMT To: Oskar Nauman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30253 www.beesource.com has plans on how to make hive stuff. good luck Oskar Nauman wrote: > I'm looking for a good site to download pictures for a project my son has to > do for school! Article 30254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How much flavoring for Sugar water? Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:55:22 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3B28C24A.56855E89@okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: galoot.ets.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30254 Esteemed beekeepers, I've seen several mentions of flavoring the sugar water before spraying one's bees. This seems logical enough. But noone has ever mentioned how much flavoring (say vanilla for arguments sake) to use. 1 drop per pint?...two drops...three? I am preparing to make splits before long and would appreciate any suggestions. Gary J. Article 30255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!193.251.151.101!opentransit.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Beehoo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: In search for a good Bee-site Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:47:24 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9gs5be$j4v$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <9goa2v$8ero1$1@reader01.wxs.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: alyon-102-1-1-84.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 993106094 19615 193.251.26.84 (21 Jun 2001 06:48:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 2001 06:48:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30255 Hi, i hope you will find good ressources in our beekeeping directory : http://www.beehoo.com/ The specific place for beekeeping pictures links is here: http://www.beehoo.com/f_the.php3?theme=Pictures Best regards. Jeff www.beehoo.com the beekeeping directory. "Oskar Nauman" a écrit dans le message news: 9goa2v$8ero1$1@reader01.wxs.nl... > I'm looking for a good site to download pictures for a project my son has to > do for school! > > Article 30256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:03:01 EST From: Subject: NC Bee Contacts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.202.0.25 X-Trace: 21 Jun 2001 15:02:43 -0500, 198.202.0.25 Lines: 14 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!feeder.qis.net!news.umbc.edu!news.ums.edu!cisnws.ubalt.edu!ubmail!ftekpuentes Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30256 Is there anyone on the list that has any of the NC Bee Inspectors or Governing body phone numbers? I'm trying to contact some governing officials in the know about a question I have. thanks for any help. joseph Article 30257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-005cocsprp098.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NC Bee Contacts Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:10:02 -0600 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.f4.3a X-Server-Date: 21 Jun 2001 20:59:18 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30257 In article , wrote: > Is there anyone on the list that has any of the NC Bee Inspectors or > Governing body phone numbers? I'm trying to contact some governing > officials in the know about a question I have. > > thanks for any help. > > joseph It shouldn't be difficult to find them on the web. Try google.com and search for {"North Carolina" bee agriculture agency}. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-005cocsprp098.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ANY BEEKEEPING TEENS??? Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:11:18 -0600 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.f4.3a X-Server-Date: 21 Jun 2001 21:00:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30258 If anyone knows of a teenager who has made a small business out of keeping bees, please e-mail me as soon as possible. I'm helping pull together a story for a nationally distributed magazine. Thanks in advance. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-02!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:22:07 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1ap4jtgivl40t52oaoah34rpef06uc96kv@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 5 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30259 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:43:59 -0500, "De Witt" wrote: >Who cares. Do they have a T-shirt to go with mine from Bucksnort, TN? Your kidding me, right? Article 30260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bad spring Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:24:39 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <8ep4jtc54cpgidub04hp6gclahbbelgjv0@4ax.com> References: <9gp56d$sr2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 4 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30260 Over here in UK is much the same - for me at least. I know some keppers have reported strong build up but mine (7 now) aren't up to much. Article 30261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9gr2lu$lbi2@news.vtx.ch> Subject: Re: hive become active Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 21:55:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 993160530 66.31.162.165 (Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:55:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:55:30 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30261 "Martin-Paul Broennimann" wrote in message news:9gr2lu$lbi2@news.vtx.ch... > Can anyone help explain. Will try... > I have four hives, one of which has been very lethargic this summer. Bees > hovering, slowly going inside and out, but no purposeful flight. > Since 2 days it has become very active. New queens? Possibilities: 1. There was no good forage about previously, but now there is. I sort of doubt this since your other 3 colonies would probably have acted the same, but different bees sometimes act differently. 2. The slow one is getting worse, and all the new activity is from other bees robbing the hive. Are the active bees going straight in and out, or are they weaving around the entrance and then going in? The latter would suggest robbing. Close the entrance down if you suspect robbing. It's a good idea to get in there and find out what's going on. Check for healthy looking brood. -Steve Article 30262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much flavoring for Sugar water? Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:54:15 -0400 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <9gsnbs$auri3$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <3B28C24A.56855E89@okstate.edu> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 993124541 11497027 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30262 I mix 2-3 drops CONCENTRATE spearmint to 5 gallons of syrup. This concentrate is what my wife uses for candy. I recently switched to Honey Bee Healthy as it has a scent that the bees seem to like and appears to promote health.. "I will see"... Good Luck! -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Gary Johns" wrote in message news:3B28C24A.56855E89@okstate.edu... > Esteemed beekeepers, > > I've seen several mentions of flavoring the sugar water before spraying > one's bees. This seems logical enough. But noone has ever mentioned how > much flavoring (say vanilla for arguments sake) to use. 1 drop per > pint?...two drops...three? > > I am preparing to make splits before long and would appreciate any > suggestions. > > Gary J. > Article 30263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:13:36 -0400 Lines: 41 Message-ID: <9gu2n1$b392l$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> <0BA20AE1D39D42C9.0F9372C41049B94D.AC02971995D0DF13@lp.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 993168930 11641941 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30263 Charlie, I've never had any trouble understanding those in East Texas. Perhaps you just don't appreciate the accent of those that came down to save your state from the Mexican invasion, part one. 'fraid we can't help with the latest invasion, since the US condones it. K Oland from East Tennessee ps. I assume you don't mean those east Texans sound like they are from Memphis, since then you would really be in east Arkansas. "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:tcc4jt0gi4sgai7imuua6uoab8do9jo0p8@4ax.com... > >Since I live south of Dallas does that mean I live in South Texas? I would > >have to if Navasota is "deep" south Texas as I have seen it called. > > Hi Cliff, > > To answer your query, no you're just in south dallas, there's also a > north dallas and a north dallas 40. You're still in north texas near > north texas state university. Navasota is sort of east texas but west > of the real east texas where they don't even speak english. (in fact > you have to be from rural Tennessee to understand them) You know > you're in south texas because of the large number of border patrol > vehicles and checkpoints along the highway. They also don't speak > english down there either, but spanish, and if you ask them they will > tell you their spanish but they're really mexicans. At least you can > understand what they're saying (if you speak spanish) unlike east > texas. > > Hope this clarify things, > > C.K. Article 30264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:15:42 -0400 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <9gu2qv$ao9e9$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <1ap4jtgivl40t52oaoah34rpef06uc96kv@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 993169055 11281865 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30264 No, he isn't. Right on the interstate. Even have a restaurant. "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:1ap4jtgivl40t52oaoah34rpef06uc96kv@4ax.com... > On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:43:59 -0500, "De Witt" > wrote: > >Who cares. Do they have a T-shirt to go with mine from Bucksnort, TN? > > Your kidding me, right? Article 30265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 From: "scott moser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Webhosting Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:09:48 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9gugee0f32@enews3.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.123.245.56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30265 Greetings all, I created a webpage for our local association on Homestead. I just received word today that Homestead now wants to charge approximately $10 per month for hosting the site! Our club is not that big, and our funds are limited. Does anyone out there use another free web hosting service, or does anyone have any suggestions? I am hoping that one of the local ISP will donate some space so that we can continue to have our webpages. Thanks for any help you can offer. Scott -- Visit the Jefferson County Beekeepers Association web site at: http://JeffersonCoBeekeepers.homestead.com/ Article 30266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ANY BEEKEEPING TEENS??? Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 07:57:06 -0400 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <9gvbqk$bbe2j$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 993211029 11909203 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30266 My daughter got me into this!!! And she matches your description! -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:NO-StretchL-2106011511190001@sdn-ar-005cocsprp098.dialsprint.net... > If anyone knows of a teenager who has made a small business out of keeping > bees, please e-mail me as soon as possible. > > I'm helping pull together a story for a nationally distributed magazine. > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Webhosting Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 07:55:12 -0400 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <9gvbn2$b1jts$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9gugee0f32@enews3.newsguy.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 993210914 11587516 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30267 I am in the same boat!! Write me directly! -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "scott moser" wrote in message news:9gugee0f32@enews3.newsguy.com... > Greetings all, > I created a webpage for our local association on Homestead. I just > received word today that Homestead now wants to charge approximately $10 per > month for hosting the site! Our club is not that big, and our funds are > limited. Does anyone out there use another free web hosting service, or > does anyone have any suggestions? I am hoping that one of the local ISP > will donate some space so that we can continue to have our webpages. Thanks > for any help you can offer. > Scott > > -- > Visit the Jefferson County Beekeepers Association web site at: > http://JeffersonCoBeekeepers.homestead.com/ > > Article 30268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Cudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> <0BA20AE1D39D42C9.0F9372C41049B94D.AC02971995D0DF13@lp.airnews.net> <9gu2n1$b392l$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Lines: 60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:07:06 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.213.70 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 993218576 209.245.213.70 (Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:02:56 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:02:56 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30268 As a native Texan, I consider our friends in Tennessee to be honorary Texans as it's true that many of the first Texans came from this great state and helped us to win our initial struggle with Mexico. Our two states share a common vision about the ways things should be. My favorite flag from Texas' battle for independence (the Battle of Gonzales) bore the motto: "Come and take it!" Robert http://members.tripod.com/beetalk KOland wrote in message news:9gu2n1$b392l$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > Charlie, > > I've never had any trouble understanding those in East Texas. > Perhaps you just don't appreciate the accent of those that came > down to save your state from the Mexican invasion, part one. > 'fraid we can't help with the latest invasion, since the US condones > it. > > K Oland > from East Tennessee > > ps. I assume you don't mean those east Texans sound like they are > from Memphis, since then you would really be in east Arkansas. > > > > "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message > news:tcc4jt0gi4sgai7imuua6uoab8do9jo0p8@4ax.com... > > >Since I live south of Dallas does that mean I live in South Texas? I > would > > >have to if Navasota is "deep" south Texas as I have seen it called. > > > > Hi Cliff, > > > > To answer your query, no you're just in south dallas, there's also a > > north dallas and a north dallas 40. You're still in north texas near > > north texas state university. Navasota is sort of east texas but west > > of the real east texas where they don't even speak english. (in fact > > you have to be from rural Tennessee to understand them) You know > > you're in south texas because of the large number of border patrol > > vehicles and checkpoints along the highway. They also don't speak > > english down there either, but spanish, and if you ask them they will > > tell you their spanish but they're really mexicans. At least you can > > understand what they're saying (if you speak spanish) unlike east > > texas. > > > > Hope this clarify things, > > > > C.K. > > Article 30269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Cudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9gugee0f32@enews3.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: Webhosting Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:54:21 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.213.70 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 993217811 209.245.213.70 (Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:50:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:50:11 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30269 Scott, I use Tripod (www.tripod.com). It has FrontPage extensions and 50 MB of free web storage space plus several methods for updating your page. I strongly recommend it. Robert http://members.tripod.com/beetalk or http://beeetalk.tripod.com scott moser wrote in message news:9gugee0f32@enews3.newsguy.com... > Greetings all, > I created a webpage for our local association on Homestead. I just > received word today that Homestead now wants to charge approximately $10 per > month for hosting the site! Our club is not that big, and our funds are > limited. Does anyone out there use another free web hosting service, or > does anyone have any suggestions? I am hoping that one of the local ISP > will donate some space so that we can continue to have our webpages. Thanks > for any help you can offer. > Scott > > -- > Visit the Jefferson County Beekeepers Association web site at: > http://JeffersonCoBeekeepers.homestead.com/ > > Article 30270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-008cocsprp030.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ANY BEEKEEPING TEENS??? Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:29:43 -0600 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <9gvbqk$bbe2j$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.f5.8e X-Server-Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:18:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30270 In article <9gvbqk$bbe2j$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de>, "BeeFarmer" wrote: > My daughter got me into this!!! And she matches your description! > > -- > BeeFarmer > OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html BF, Thanks for the note. Please e-mail me asap with more specific info, contact phone numbers, etc. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long for new queen to start laying. Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:59:34 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 23 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3B333325.D87C24A8@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 993211361 11776 144.32.85.141 (22 Jun 2001 12:02:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:02:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30271 Hi all, A hopefully straightforward question this and apologies if it is an often asked one (Couldn't find an answer in my archive searches). My hives have both swarmed and I have hived the swarms.... How long will it be before the new queens start laying? I am a bit concerned as it is quite some time since the swarms. There is no brood in either the swarms or the original hives so I can't put any young brood in the broodless ones to encourage progress. The swarms did have to draw some comb but have been well fed an seem happy enough, just no young ones appearing yet and I haven't found the queens. Thanks for any advice. Paul. York. U.K Article 30272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B333325.D87C24A8@york.ac.uk> Subject: Re: How long for new queen to start laying. Lines: 52 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <5CKY6.3811$kx3.353929@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:44:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.43.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 993228289 12.72.43.14 (Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:44:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:44:49 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30272 What is "some time since the swarms"? If the swarms were primary they will have the old queens and they will begin laying as soon as there are cells available (a day or so on foundation). If you missed the primary swarms and these were after-swarms, the queens will need to mate and you should look for evidence of her laying in about 10 - 14 days. The only way you will know the status of the queens is if you marked them in the original hives and can find them in the new ones. If you are not finding eggs in any of the 4 hives and it has been less than 14 days, I would suspect you still have 4 un-mated or newly queens that have not yet begun to lay. Of course, weather and other factors affect timing. Unless there was some adverse factor (such as prolonged rain) that affected all 4 hives it is improbable that all 4 will remain queen-less. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Paul Waites" wrote in message news:3B333325.D87C24A8@york.ac.uk... > Hi all, > > A hopefully straightforward question this and apologies if it is an > often asked one (Couldn't find an answer in my archive searches). > > My hives have both swarmed and I have hived the swarms.... > > How long will it be before the new queens start laying? I am a bit > concerned as it is quite some time since the swarms. There is no brood > in either the swarms or the original hives so I can't put any young > brood in the broodless ones to encourage progress. > > The swarms did have to draw some comb but have been well fed an seem > happy enough, just no young ones appearing yet and I haven't found the > queens. > > Thanks for any advice. > > Paul. > > York. U.K > > Article 30273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!opentransit.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nouvelle marketplace agricole Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:20:26 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 30 Message-ID: <9h024n$in5$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: aneuilly-101-1-2-26.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 993233879 19173 193.251.13.26 (22 Jun 2001 18:17:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jun 2001 18:17:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30273 Bonjour, Nous sommes une nouvelle société indépendante, Neonet, et nous allons lancer prochainement une nouvelle place de marché "www.agrineo.com" sur internet. Sa vocation sera à terme d'être européenne, mais le site sera très rapidement bilingue (anglais-français). Nos offres seront celles du secteur plus quelques spécificités dans le domaine de la traçabilité et du logiciel. Aujourd'hui nous sommes à la recherche de nouveaux partenariats pour étoffer nos offres (internet gratuit, portefeuilles de clients du secteur agricole ou autres propositions), et d'investisseurs financiers. Nous serions ravi de pouvoir examiner toutes les propositions allant dans ce sens. Merci Mr Lamine Dat, Gérant. ladat@agrineo.com Article 30274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0496.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:03:15 -0500 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> <0BA20AE1D39D42C9.0F9372C41049B94D.AC02971995D0DF13@lp.airnews.net> <9gu2n1$b392l$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: Mbone@gmx.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0496.nts-online.net (216.167.132.241) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 993236596 11807147 216.167.132.241 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30274 >Our two states share a common vision about the ways things should be. And prey tell us what that might be >"Come and take it!" And they did C.K. Article 30275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B33A472.7AF1C082@northnet.org> From: Lady Java Reply-To: piercerb-java@northnet.org Organization: Noah's Ark Fairies & Wee Ones X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What to do with new hive after I catch my own swarm? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:03:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.2.152.95 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 993236602 209.2.152.95 (Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:03:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:03:22 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30275 Greetings all - Just a quickie question...One of my 2 hives swarmed today, and again, like last year, it was my husband who noticed it. Unlike last year, where they settled about 70 feet up in a tree, this one landed just above our heads in an apple tree right next to the hives. Hubby climbed up on a ladder and cut the branch down. Fortunately, I had just gotten a bunch of Peirco frames in the mail, so I tossed some (sprayed with sugar water first) into a hive body, and we shook the cluster into the hive. Placed on a white sheet, it was neat to see the bees march right into the hive, just like I've read about! *grin* After about 15 minutes, all but a few bees were inside the hive, so I assume we've got the queen. I added a frame of capped brood from one of the other hives, after I shook the bees off of it, and things look nice and dandy in there. My question is, where can I put this new 1 story hive? Is it ok to put it down by the other 2 now, or should I wait? Right now, it's about 20 feet away, just sitting onto he ground, while I was waiting for everything to calm down... Any other advice? Was I OK to put a frame of brood in there? I don't have any other drawn foundation, except what's in the hives already. And the other thing I wanted to ask, the bees are packing the deep frames right full of honey right now (I'm in Northern NY). One hive is basically ignoring the supers, the other has drawn out and filled about 7 of the 9 frames in there, not even touched the second one. I'm kind confused, the supers have been on for about 3-4 weeks. Is this normal, or do I just have mutant bees? Jen Article 30276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> <0BA20AE1D39D42C9.0F9372C41049B94D.AC02971995D0DF13@lp.airnews.net> <9gu2n1$b392l$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <3VQY6.70539$lq1.18429639@typhoon.austin.rr.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:54:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.51.180 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 993254079 24.167.51.180 (Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:54:39 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:54:39 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30276 Actually Charlie, a little research into the Battle of Gonzales on your part will show that "they didn't take it". FROM: http://www.lsjunction.com/events/gonzales.htm "Differences between Texas and Mexico progressed from the talking stage to the shooting stage at The Battle of Gonzales, generally considered to be the first battle of the Texas Revolution. Leading up to the conflict, the Mexican authorities sent a force of about 100 men to repossess a cannon that had been provided the residents of Gonzales for defense against Indians. In response to the Mexican force, the Texans, under Colonels John H. Moore and J. W. E. Wallace, loaded the cannon with scrap iron, aimed at the Mexicans, and fired the shot that began the revolution. After a short fight, the Mexicans retreated, with one casualty, against no loss on the side of the Texans. The battle flag used by the Texans at the Battle of Gonzales gained considerable recognition as the "Come and Take It" flag. On a white banner was a picture of the old cannon, painted in black. The flag acquired its name from the words "come and take it" printed below the cannon. " Robert (native Texan and proud of it) - "Come and Take It" http://members.tripod.com/beetalk "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:jg57jt8r1vc95k9b9dj71mur8jdeorgur2@4ax.com... > >Our two states share a common vision about the ways things should be. > > And prey tell us what that might be > > >"Come and take it!" > > And they did > > C.K. Article 30277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "Steven D. Hagerty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan Question Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:37:02 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <9h2k7e02v5v@enews2.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-167.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30277 I have a question... I did two splits of my bee hives a few weeks ago..... After making the split, I noticed that the split hives had mites... I'm assuming the ones they came from, had them too. The old queen went with one of the splits, I didn't notice mites on her at the time, but a few days ago, I noticed she had one, and had not been laying for the period. I put in a new screen with sticky board, put in apistan... and killed the mite that was on her... Today, I received a new russian queen, the old one was Italian...I put the new one in the hive, and noticed that the old queen was laying again (after only 12 hours with apistan) I went ahead and replaced her (originally bought the russian for another split)... my question is.. Do I have to leave on the Apistan for the remainder of the 42 days? I seem to have alot of mite drop in 12 hours, aprox. 50 or so.... there is hardly any brood left in the hive, as the old queen wasn't laying... Or, with the russian queen... and the mesh bottom in place, will I be o.k. just to remove the apistan in a few weeks and add supers? I don't think I'll have enough room in the 42 day period, as I am feeding them sugar water and also put in some pollen substitute to try to get the hive built up quick.... If you have any ideas in the matter, please let me know Thank you, Steve Article 30278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with new hive after I catch my own swarm? Date: 23 Jun 2001 16:31:57 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3B33A472.7AF1C082@northnet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993339117 19071 127.0.0.1 (23 Jun 2001 23:31:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jun 2001 23:31:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30278 Howdy Jen -- If you just hived the swarm today, you can pick it and put it where you want it to be. If they have been there long enough for them to make an orientation flight, you need to move it about 3 feet every couple of days until you reach the spot you want it to stay. Nothing wrong with putting a frame of sealed brood in with the swarm. It will make them "feel" at home quickly. I would have suggested putting in a frame of eggs and uncapped larvae. In case the queen was lost they can grow a new one. Some bees are more industrious than others, but if you place a couple of frames of comb, honey, brood etc in the super they will move up quicker. Good going and good luck ! Pete Article 30279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B355046.FB210BA3@northnet.org> From: Lady Java Reply-To: piercerb-java@northnet.org Organization: Noah's Ark Fairies & Wee Ones X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with new hive after I catch my own swarm? References: <3B33A472.7AF1C082@northnet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 01:29:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.94.56 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 993346149 205.232.94.56 (Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:29:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:29:09 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30279 Hm, what if it's been raining since I hived the swarm? It was blowing like heck when we hived it, and started to rain about 30 minutes after, hasn't really stopped since. The most I've seen outside the hive at any time is 2-3 bees... Luckily, they're pretty close to where they have to go... Thanks for the advice. *fingers crossed* that the new hive, and the one that swarmed, will come through this OK. The one that swarmed on me last year did make it through the winter fine. I've just got to figure out which one swarmed this year, since the hubby didn't know which hive they came out of... I can see what you meant about the eggs and larvae, had I not been on some wierd adrenaline high, I would have thought of that instead, I'm sure. *grin* Would it be too late to do that? Probably not, eh? Jen Article 30280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Question Date: 23 Jun 2001 19:16:12 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <9h2k7e02v5v@enews2.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.205.59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993348972 20301 127.0.0.1 (24 Jun 2001 02:16:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jun 2001 02:16:12 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30280 Howdy Steve -- It seems that your main concern is whether to leave the Apistan in place for the 45 days. I suggest that you do. Your main concern now is to try to save the colony which is heavily infested. With nothing but old bees, you may have trouble getting the Russian queen accepted. Personally, I would go for keeping the present queen and try to build up the colony by giving sealed brood and feeding. Maybe the Apistan will help enough to get things back on track. The Russian lady can be kept by making up a nuc and putting her there for possible use later. Pete ****************************************************** Article 30281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sanitizing Old Boxes Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:33:24 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3B2E6594.99EAE9D9@okstate.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: galoot.ets.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30281 Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > Hmmm... now this brings up the question of... > > How do I set up things for the "boil"? Sounds like I need a LARGE (iron?) > kettle of some sort, and a powerful fire. This may be more trouble than > it's worth. > > Any suggestions? > Hi Charles, Here's how my mentor told me how to do the frames. Get a turkey fryer burner at Wal-Mart. Beg, borrow, or misappropriate a 5 gal. metal can (hopefully with a wire bail attached to the sides of the can. Remove the top it it's attached and get a can of lye drain cleaner ( I use Red Devil drain cleaner, it's 100% lye). Put 3-4 tablespoons of lye in BEFORE you add COLD water. Then start heating the whole batch up until it's boiling. Be sure you are using some nitrile based gloves that will withstand chemicals like solvents and such. Once the water is boiling good insert 3 or 4 frames and let them cook a little bit. Once one end is done, turn them over and reinsert. Give them a nice rinse off with cold water when their done and you've got like new frames ready for foundation. Be sure to loosen the wedge up a little bit so the solution can get in there and dissolve the old wax...propolis or whatever. Now with all that said, let me state unequivocally: " I am not a chemical safety expert, nor do I play one on television." What works for me may not be something you want to do. But that's the way I was taught to clean my frames...and it works good on hive tools and miscellaneous other items. YMMV! :) Gary J. Article 30282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: pete.hawkey@btinternet.com (Peter Hawkey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No Brood Date: 24 Jun 2001 06:06:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.122.15.18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993387965 27064 127.0.0.1 (24 Jun 2001 13:06:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jun 2001 13:06:05 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30282 Greetings from Sunny Scotland! I checked one of my hives about 9 or 10 days ago and found that it had no brood, no eggs and no queen cells. When I checked again today the situation is the same. The bees are collecting pollen and making honey but not increasing the size of the brood. How do bees make another queen if there is not one to lay an egg? Is there any hope for this colony, what action could I take to requeen from another hive? Many thanks Peter Article 30283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0420.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 10:05:18 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> <0BA20AE1D39D42C9.0F9372C41049B94D.AC02971995D0DF13@lp.airnews.net> <9gu2n1$b392l$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> <3VQY6.70539$lq1.18429639@typhoon.austin.rr.com> Reply-To: Mbone@gmx.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0420.nts-online.net (216.167.132.165) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 993395119 12452696 216.167.132.165 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30283 >a little research into the Battle of Gonzales on your part >will show that "they didn't take it". Sorry I had Gonzales mixed up with Goliad, where they did take it. C.K. Article 30284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0420.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeepers Demonstration Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 10:20:48 -0500 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <2o0cjtcngpb1ptt9tm348svfcr44g7jt5i@4ax.com> References: <7ZMX6.19885$aV1.1953383@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <9gofn7$dcb$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: Mbone@gmx.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0420.nts-online.net (216.167.132.165) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 993396049 12252592 216.167.132.165 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30284 >Depends on the time of year but, for a start: >Empty frame and full one to show how much honey the comb can hold >Queen cell >Queen - if you have one -, drone and worker >Honey for tasting (clear and set) and enough plastic spoons >Super, to demonstrate how a hive is constructed >Queen excluder >Skep, to talk about catching swarms Yes, and don't forget to impress upon them how many tons of fruit and vegetables bees produce, and without a government subsidy. An observation hive always gets everyone's attention Make a pan of fresh biscuits and bring a pound of Challenger butter (unsalted) cut biscuits in half add 3mm pad of butter to each half and top with a gob of honey. Pass 'um around. The essential aspect of beekeeping. C.K. Article 30285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with new hive after I catch my own swarm? Date: 24 Jun 2001 09:30:47 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3B33A472.7AF1C082@northnet.org> <3B355046.FB210BA3@northnet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.192.113 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993400247 29254 127.0.0.1 (24 Jun 2001 16:30:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jun 2001 16:30:47 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30285 Howdy again Jen -- It's never too late to put in a frame with eggs even if you don't need it. It's just that those hungry larvae reelly bring out the mothering instinct of a new swarm and the eggs are there just in case the queen was lost. If the weather opens up enough to go through the nest, you should easily determine which hive swarmed. There will be very recent queen cells with one or more being neatly opened on the end from inside. That would be the first one or two to emerge. The ones torn open on the side are the unlucky slow arrivers which the first-out queen has destroyed in bed. Pete *************************************************************** Article 30286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No Brood Date: 24 Jun 2001 09:38:31 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.192.113 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993400712 29312 127.0.0.1 (24 Jun 2001 16:38:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jun 2001 16:38:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30286 Howdy Carol and Peter -- Sometimes when a queen is lost, the bees don't recognize it until too late to raise a queen. Sometimes they will make one from a larva which it too old. When in doubt, add eggs from another colony. Just brood is not ok unless some it is eggs or day or two old larvae. When a honey flow is on, the bees usually are contented because they are working. The lethargy sets in later. And don't be fooled by the statements you often read that "if bees are bringing in pollen they have a queen". NOT SO. Pete ************************************************************** Article 30287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-003cocsprp148.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sanitizing Old Boxes Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 12:50:19 -0600 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <3B2E6594.99EAE9D9@okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.54 X-Server-Date: 24 Jun 2001 18:39:45 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30287 Thanks for your note, gary... What I've decided to do is... just clean out the dirt, old wax, spider webs, etc., from the boxes and hive any swarm I might get in them without the sanitation procedure. I took some of the boxes and frames by a fellow here in the Springs who's the grandaddy of all local beekeepers, and he showed me how to look for residue of foulbrood and give 'em the sniff test. I trust this man's judgement, so I'm going with his advice, which was, "Hive 'em!" -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B364A1D.E06E3626@northnet.org> From: Lady Java Reply-To: piercerb-java@northnet.org Organization: Noah's Ark Fairies & Wee Ones X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with new hive after I catch my own swarm? References: <3B33A472.7AF1C082@northnet.org> <3B355046.FB210BA3@northnet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 19:14:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.141.3 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 993410078 205.232.141.3 (Sun, 24 Jun 2001 15:14:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 15:14:38 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30288 *sigh* Guess what? I looked out my window today, and there's another swarm up in the same tree one swarmed to last year. About 70 feet up or so. I'm going to head down later and see if I can figure out which hive they came from, my guess is both came from the same hive... I saw a lot of bees just hanging in front of the one hive this AM. If that was the hive that threw 2 swarms, would it be worth it to try and combine the swarm I hived with that one? Or even possible? Jen Article 30289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp4.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: No Brood Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:38:15 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.142.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp4.clara.net 993411493 212.126.142.36 (Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:38:13 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:38:13 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30289 Peter About the pollen is it stored in the cells on the center of the comb? if it is the colony is certain to be Queenless. but I would take the advise of the previous answer and put in a frame of eggs from your best colony hopefully the bees will be able to make another Queen. -- All the Best. Mike Smith. Beginners Astronomy. http://home.clara.net/thedoor/ Farnham Astro Society. http://www.farnhamas.plus.com/ "Pete" wrote in message news:bc3bf29.0106240838.4a30ca78@posting.google.com... > Howdy Carol and Peter -- > > Sometimes when a queen is lost, the bees don't recognize it until > too late > to raise a queen. Sometimes they will make one from a larva which it > too old. > > When in doubt, add eggs from another colony. Just brood is not ok > unless > some it is eggs or day or two old larvae. > > When a honey flow is on, the bees usually are contented because they > are > working. The lethargy sets in later. > > And don't be fooled by the statements you often read that "if bees > are bringing in pollen they have a queen". NOT SO. > > Pete > ************************************************************** Article 30290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: dvisrael@peoplepc.com (d Israel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NC Bee Contacts Date: 24 Jun 2001 18:27:22 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 1 Message-ID: <76c8fd83.0106241727.1f6e9145@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.48.163.47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993432443 2612 127.0.0.1 (25 Jun 2001 01:27:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 2001 01:27:23 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30290 Yep. www.ncbeekeepers.org Article 30291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.news.qwest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B3766E4.1D3704AE@qwest.net> From: Rich Vernon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queenless Hive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:29:24 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.224.202.108 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 993486564 207.224.202.108 (Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:29:24 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:29:24 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30291 I started a hive with a package and new equipment this year. All was well and I added a swarm to it and treated it with Apistan and Teramycin. A few weeks later it was queenless but there were supercedure cells. After three weeks and still no eggs I added a frame of eggs and young brood from another hive. The next day I was able to get another swarm and added it also. Two weeks later there were still no eggs so I bought and added a queen. Six days after the queen was released there are still no eggs. They are bringing in pollen and honey. The center of the frames contain a lot of what I think is pollen. The cells are a out half full of a medium brown substance. I don't think it is fowl brood. There is no bad odor and when I stick a match stick in it, it is quite dense. Does pollen turn brown once packed in the cells? Is there a reason why this hive seems to refuse to become queenright? What can I do? Thanks Rich Article 30292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!easynet-melon!easynet-monga!easynet.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long for new queen to start laying. Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:30:42 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 31 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3B3704C2.543BB154@york.ac.uk> References: <3B333325.D87C24A8@york.ac.uk> <5CKY6.3811$kx3.353929@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 993461632 28891 144.32.85.141 (25 Jun 2001 09:33:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 2001 09:33:52 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30292 Thanks, It is about three weeks since I hived the swarms, but the British summer has hardly put in an appearence until the last few days so I guess that could account for any dealy in the new queens getting stuck in and laying eggs. Thanks for the info. Paul. George Styer wrote: > What is "some time since the swarms"? > > If the swarms were primary they will have the old queens and they will begin > laying as soon as there are cells available (a day or so on foundation). If > you missed the primary swarms and these were after-swarms, the queens will > need to mate and you should look for evidence of her laying in about 10 - 14 > days. The only way you will know the status of the queens is if you marked > them in the original hives and can find them in the new ones. > > If you are not finding eggs in any of the 4 hives and it has been less than > 14 days, I would suspect you still have 4 un-mated or newly queens that have > not yet begun to lay. > > Of course, weather and other factors affect timing. Unless there was some > adverse factor (such as prolonged rain) that affected all 4 hives it is > improbable that all 4 will remain queen-less. > > -- Article 30293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.72!wnfilter2!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B3766E4.1D3704AE@qwest.net> Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Lines: 39 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:16:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.41.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 993500212 12.73.41.69 (Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:16:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:16:52 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30293 So let's see it was a queen-right package , that you dumped a queen-right swarm on, that you added a frame of eggs to, that you dumped another swarm on, that you then tried to introduce a caged queen into? My brain is a whole lot bigger than a bee and you have me confused. I don't think the bees have a clue as to what is happening. There is no great trick to getting a queenless colony queen-right but you need to do it in a manner that is consistent with their biology. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Rich Vernon" wrote in message news:3B3766E4.1D3704AE@qwest.net... > I started a hive with a package and new equipment this year. All was > well and I added a swarm to it and treated it with Apistan and > Teramycin. A few weeks later it was queenless but there were > supercedure cells. After three weeks and still no eggs I added a > frame of eggs and young brood from another hive. The next day I was > able to get another swarm and added it also. Two weeks later there were > still no eggs so I bought and added a queen. Six days after the queen > was released there are still no eggs. They are bringing in pollen > and honey. The center of the frames contain a lot of what I think is > pollen. The cells are a out half full of a medium brown substance. I > don't think it is fowl brood. There is no bad odor and when I stick a > match stick in it, it is quite dense. Does pollen turn brown once > packed in the cells? Is there a reason why this hive seems to refuse > to become queenright? What can I do? > > Thanks > Rich > Article 30294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Smoker Fuel Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:41:45 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B37F669.365DE034@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30294 What can I use for smoker fuel, other than commercially available compressed cotton? Thanks, Taylor Article 30295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B37F669.365DE034@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Smoker Fuel Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:35:36 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-UhzDq/+8RBBzB4eojoSeR+IuINhAHgwtm6A9lqQatD3wu8ZNmrZ7fFZ3UEWaEUiyAI42syUteHIAWyr!b6ZqEV+MLOmawS725DReuG2NAiW3cFDcoMJ94uF6LglH+USz1PwBiyYA3Fn3UFNWcylUjHJ0BH8H!mVVl X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:35:28 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30295 "Taylor Francis" wrote in message news:3B37F669.365DE034@yahoo.com... > What can I use for smoker fuel, other than commercially available > compressed cotton? Yo Taylor: Go to http://groups.google.com/ and type "smoker fuel" in the search window and you will bring up all previous posts on this subject. You will get approx. one different answer per each individual on this list, and some of them are even pretty good. :-) Skip -- Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 30296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "scott moser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smoker Fuel Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:52:23 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9h90uk029vj@enews2.newsguy.com> References: <3B37F669.365DE034@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.123.245.61 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30296 There are a lot of different materials that can be used as great smoker fuel. Basically, anything that doesn't contain harmful chemicals, smolders well, and puts off cool white smoke works great. Pine needles are a personal favorite, which light well, and stay lit with a little tending. Another good one is burlap, but I always wash it before use and let it weather for a while. Many kinds of burlap have been treated with chemicals, and these chemicals can be toxic when burned. Same thing applies to binder twine. It works well, but it is often treated with pesticides and rot retarding chemicals. If you use twine, use some that is well weathered. Other materials include: Rolled cardboard, old denim, sawdust, sumac clusters (dried), dried corncobs, and I have even heard that dried cow dung works too. One trick I always use, no matter what material I burn is to "filter" the smoke through a wad of green grass in the top of the smoker. I dont know how well this may cool the smoke, but it does catch any bits of burning matter leaving the smoker. Look around, there are lots of potential smoker fuels around you. Good luck! Article 30297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm in building Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:43:03 -0400 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <9h9sg9$cmlbt$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 993555785 13325693 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30297 Does anyone live near Peebles, Ohio? I have a lady looking to rid a swarm out of a building. -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Article 30298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Foul brood... Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:09:08 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B38CFC4.64466BB6@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 2 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30298 Can someone describe this. I have a lot of brood, but it seems dark. I haven't noticed an odor, though... Article 30299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul brood... Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:50:03 +0100 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9hb048$gvf$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3B38CFC4.64466BB6@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-120.indium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 993592264 17391 62.136.40.120 (26 Jun 2001 21:51:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 2001 21:51:04 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30299 Try this: http://www.csl.gov.uk/prodserv/cons/bee/factsheets/fbleaflet.pdf "Taylor Francis" wrote in message news:3B38CFC4.64466BB6@yahoo.com... > Can someone describe this. I have a lot of brood, but it seems dark. I > haven't noticed an odor, though... Article 30300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul brood... Date: 26 Jun 2001 16:12:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3B38CFC4.64466BB6@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993597176 7389 127.0.0.1 (26 Jun 2001 23:12:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 2001 23:12:56 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30300 Howdy Francis -- The cappings on brood in old comb is naturally dark. The bees use old wax recycled to cap the brood as opposed to white cappings on honey in a good honey flow. Foulbrood has mostly slightly concave (sunken) cappings, with many of them with small puncture in the cap where the workers have made a small hole to inspect the dead larvae. Sounds like you are OK. Pete *************************************************** Article 30301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Date: 26 Jun 2001 16:50:18 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3B3766E4.1D3704AE@qwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993599419 7703 127.0.0.1 (26 Jun 2001 23:50:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 2001 23:50:19 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30301 Howdy Rich -- You got good answers. The main thing to remember that each colony has its own peculiar odor, and do not easily mix together without some precautions -- especially for the queen. Older bees are death on a queen of a different odor. Study up on use of a sheet of newspaper between different colonies. Many suggest leaving the queen below the newspaper, but I have better success by placing the desirable queen and her group above the paper. The dark stuff in half-full cells is pollen. Different plants produce pollen of different colors - from near white to very dark. Pete ************************************************************* Article 30302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Jun 2001 03:18:17 GMT References: <9h90uk029vj@enews2.newsguy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Smoker Fuel Message-ID: <20010626231817.15104.00000641@ng-fj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30302 Greetings, One of my personal favorites is to use cedar chips sold for animal bedding a fine scent and burns readaly. it produces a fine white smoke as well. Cheers, Dutch Madison,WI Article 30303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!skynet.be!news.tele.dk!128.39.3.168!uninett.no!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail From: "Nicolai Jorgensen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Get BIOLOGY news FREE every week. 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You may also try the Dynamic Search powered by Northern Light. -- Best regards, Nicolai Jorgensen Editor - search4science Gaustadalléen 21 N-0349 Oslo Norway Article 30304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9h90uk029vj@enews2.newsguy.com> <20010626231817.15104.00000641@ng-fj1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Smoker Fuel Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:51:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 993649896 66.31.162.165 (Wed, 27 Jun 2001 09:51:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 09:51:36 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30304 "Lazurus106" wrote in message news:20010626231817.15104.00000641@ng-fj1.aol.com... > Greetings, > One of my personal favorites is to use cedar chips sold for animal bedding a > fine scent and burns readaly. it produces a fine white smoke as well. Do the chips have any chemical treatment on them, or just wood? I've been thinking of trying the chips, but have avoided it because I thought they may be treated. Thanks, -Steve Article 30305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: reduce swelling? Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:23:47 -0400 Lines: 42 Message-ID: <9hcqd9$d91e1$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 993651945 13927873 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30305 Any advice on reducing swelling from a sting? Definitely from some type of bee, but not necessarily one of mine . Was in garden, approx 20 yards from closest hive (it is a new one) and had not been in them in a couple of days. Kamakaze bee started banging into my face - very distracting, finally reached up to brush away -- that is when I was stung. I immediately removed the stinger, with bee still trying to attack for several seconds. I am not positive it was a honey bee (although my mother thought it was, she was walking in yard with me) -- we have many types of bees here, large bumblebee population, mason bees, etc., but it was a bee rather than a wasp or hornet, not extremely large. Unlike previous stings (from my bees and a recent wasp sting), this one went past a small swelling (approx 18 hours after sting) and now my entire hand is swollen, with my wrist starting this morning. I've tried ice packs, benadryl, aspirin (no ibuprofen), but the swelling keeps spreading (makes typing quite a chore). Any suggestions on taking down the swelling? Are the stings from some strains of bees more potent than others? We recently moved a new hive into our yard (six total now). It was an abandoned hive that we removed from a subdivision yard (new homeowners didn't want it, it was in shade and fairly hostile). The hive was inspected by both myself and a state inspector - no disease of any kind found, no varroa sign, extremely healthy looking hive - lots of bees and brood pattern solid, filling about 95% of the comb (wish my others filled this well). However, they are not very nice bees - even after the move into a sunny location, they do mass attacks on the veil when I went go inspect them (been settled for about a week after move and we are in TN, USA, so not much chance of african attributes here, esp after last cold winter). They don't seem to settle much with smoke and mass up on the top bars, making it difficult to manipulate the frames. Needless to say, despite the good laying pattern, I'll requeen later this summer. I am wondering if these bees, besides being into unprovoked attacks, might be the cause of the more severe reaction? (Just don't recommend I intentionally get stung by this hive to see if there is a similar reaction - I need one hand functional to be able to eat.) -K Oland Article 30306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Jun 2001 20:58:14 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Smoker Fuel Message-ID: <20010627165814.17086.00001079@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30306 Hi All, They claim to have no chemicals on the bag I've got. So look before you leap. My lady Likes me using them as she approves of the flavor of my ears lightly smoked (her comment really) with them. (so she's a little strange she puts up with me!) Cheers, Dutch Madison Article 30307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-004cocsprp286.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Painting Boxes Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:52:30 -0600 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a4.58 X-Server-Date: 27 Jun 2001 21:41:38 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30307 Just curious... How many of y'all out there paint the inside of brood boxes? Honey supers? I just picked up several old boxes from a former beekeeper and some of them are painted inside and outside... I'm repainting the outside, but probabl won't bother with the inside. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B3AA788.6F52C602@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: insecticide sevin and pounce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 X-Trace: +KpfwVGyLIXJoBfeNcvt/E2dM6m6hdVzDimst11kfZzZC2+eJaBFb5Avf5PybH2TSGqZBj8sBNJl!HLjCUGzOvO0MsKmR8xPiK/0M9iLxGHKSpeJGk6LWu/2xMAuVfSjIUx87VDaH X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 03:45:30 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 03:45:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30308 I have a pumpkin grower who is interested in having you bees pollinate his crop. He uses liquid Sevin and another chemical called Pounce. Does anyone have any info on these two insecticides? I want to read their labels asap. Please email me directly at chad.howell@gte.net Article 30309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re-capping of brood? Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 03:29:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.51.180 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 993698995 24.167.51.180 (Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:29:55 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:29:55 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30309 What I thought were two capped drone cells (near the bottom of the bottom-most frame in my 3-frame observation hive) were un-capped by the bees this morning. Inside of each cell, I saw a large white larvae. This afternoon, the bees began recapping the cells over the larvae once more. The cells don't look like quen cells. Actually, they look like regular cells except they are much taller (that is, they stick out further from the foundation) than surrounding worker brood cells. This seems strange to me. Anyone seen this type of behavior before? Robert http://members.tripod.com/beetalk Article 30310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-002cocsprp316.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: insecticide sevin and pounce Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:29:38 -0600 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3B3AA788.6F52C602@gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ce.85.ab.5e X-Server-Date: 28 Jun 2001 04:18:39 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30310 In article <3B3AA788.6F52C602@gte.net>, Chad Howell wrote: > I have a pumpkin grower who is interested in having you bees pollinate > his crop. He uses liquid Sevin and another chemical called Pounce. Does > anyone have any info on these two insecticides? I want to read their > labels asap. Please email me directly at > chad.howell@gte.net Or... Run down to the local lawn & garden store and read 'em there. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: drezac@greenapple.com (Duane Rezac) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long does it take for a Superseeding Queen to start Laying? Date: 28 Jun 2001 04:23:27 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7ec141c5.0106280323.6ad6f856@posting.google.com> References: <7ec141c5.0106200609.7260aa0@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.26.122.12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993727408 2102 127.0.0.1 (28 Jun 2001 11:23:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 2001 11:23:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30311 drezac@greenapple.com (Duane Rezac) wrote in message news:<7ec141c5.0106200609.7260aa0@posting.google.com>... > I Decieded to try to start a new hive off of my son's established > hive. As per a suggestion I saw here, I selected 4 frames with > uncapped brood, brushed off all the bees and placed them in my super > on top of his Queen Excluder. The Next Day I moved my super over to my > own bottom board. I checked on them the next week and had several > queen cells. I have now confirmed that the queen cells have all > hatched. My question is how long will it usualy take for a queen to > start laying after she has hatched? So far it's been about 1 1/2 > weeks since the queen cells have hatched, and I have not found any > sign of new brood yet. I have not been able to locate the queen yet, > although we also have not been able to locate the queen in my son's > hive that is well established, so I think that it's more a issue of > our lack of experience in locating the queen. > > Thanks > > Duane Rezac I checked the hive last night, and now have a good pattern of eggs, 1 in each cell, so things are looking good at this point. I made the split on May 28th, so it has taken 31 days from split to eggs. Duane Rezac Article 30312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: chuckwm@hotmail.com (Chuck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting Boxes Date: 28 Jun 2001 05:58:52 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1b48e0c5.0106280458.47d0f0de@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.48.24.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993733132 3109 127.0.0.1 (28 Jun 2001 12:58:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 2001 12:58:52 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30312 NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote in message news:... > How many of y'all out there paint the inside of brood boxes? Honey supers? I don't. In the class I took, the instructor (teaching the class since forever and works 100 hives) said (in reference to new wooden ware), "Give the insides one coat of Thompson's water seal and paint only the outsides." In other stuff I've read it has said that the bees will use propolis to coat the insides. I wouldn't repaint. > I'm repainting the outside, but probabl won't bother with the inside. Sounds like a plan! Chuck Article 30313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: chuckwm@hotmail.com (Chuck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smoker Fuel Date: 28 Jun 2001 06:04:43 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1b48e0c5.0106280504.2db7b7e7@posting.google.com> References: <9h90uk029vj@enews2.newsguy.com> <20010626231817.15104.00000641@ng-fj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.48.24.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993733483 3212 127.0.0.1 (28 Jun 2001 13:04:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 2001 13:04:43 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30313 "Dutch" lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) wrote in message news:<20010626231817.15104.00000641@ng-fj1.aol.com>... > One of my personal favorites is to use cedar chips sold for animal bedding a > fine scent and burns readaly. it produces a fine white smoke as well. Recently my neighbor gave me half a bag of animal bedding. This is pine shavings used for animals like rabbits and gerbils, from the pet store. Pure white stuff, it is sifted to be dustless. Probably not as fragrant as cedar shavings, it still provides a very nice aroma when used in my smoker and is also long-lasting. Cheers, Chuck Geneva, IL Article 30314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@eds.com (Glenn West) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: insecticide sevin and pounce Date: 28 Jun 2001 06:06:41 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 29 Message-ID: <68065404.0106280506.210adc73@posting.google.com> References: <3B3AA788.6F52C602@gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993733601 3242 127.0.0.1 (28 Jun 2001 13:06:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 2001 13:06:41 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30314 NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote in message news:... > In article <3B3AA788.6F52C602@gte.net>, Chad Howell wrote: > > > I have a pumpkin grower who is interested in having you bees pollinate > > his crop. He uses liquid Sevin and another chemical called Pounce. Does > > anyone have any info on these two insecticides? I want to read their > > labels asap. Please email me directly at > > chad.howell@gte.net > > Or... > > Run down to the local lawn & garden store and read 'em there. Or better yet, do a web search. Here's what I found: Sevin is a carbaryl. Carbaryl is quite toxic to honey bees, certain beneficial insects such as lady beetles, and parasitic wasps and bees, certain species of aquatic insects, and some forms of shellfish such as shrimp and crabs. Care must be taken when using carbaryl in areas where these organisms exist. My source is http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/facts-slides-self/facts/gen-pubre-sevin.html. Pounce is a permethrin and is not listed as a chemical usually used on pumpkins. Very toxic to bees and fish. Do not spray when bees are foraging. Spray deposit should dry before bees commence foraging in treated crops. My source is http://www.canola-council.org/manual/ambush.htm. HTH... Article 30315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Cudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> <0BA20AE1D39D42C9.0F9372C41049B94D.AC02971995D0DF13@lp.airnews.net> Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:55:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.213.70 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 993736304 209.245.213.70 (Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:51:44 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:51:44 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30315 Charlie, I jus' cain't figger out wat u mean by we cain't speaks English here in East Texas. Jus' cuz we'z from the earl fields or thuh Big Thicket, don't mean we cain't speak no good English. ;-) Robert Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:tcc4jt0gi4sgai7imuua6uoab8do9jo0p8@4ax.com... > >Since I live south of Dallas does that mean I live in South Texas? I would > >have to if Navasota is "deep" south Texas as I have seen it called. > > Hi Cliff, > > To answer your query, no you're just in south dallas, there's also a > north dallas and a north dallas 40. You're still in north texas near > north texas state university. Navasota is sort of east texas but west > of the real east texas where they don't even speak english. (in fact > you have to be from rural Tennessee to understand them) You know > you're in south texas because of the large number of border patrol > vehicles and checkpoints along the highway. They also don't speak > english down there either, but spanish, and if you ask them they will > tell you their spanish but they're really mexicans. At least you can > understand what they're saying (if you speak spanish) unlike east > texas. > > Hope this clarify things, > > C.K. Article 30316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: "scott moser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Super Storage Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:31:45 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9hfbk4018fc@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.123.245.30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30316 Greetings all, My wife told me the other day that she would sure like to use the basement for something other than beekeeping. I agreed, since I have been needing room for other projects I am working on. What I need to know is what seems to be the best way to store supers of drawn comb outside? How do I protect the comb from rain, heat, wax moths, etc. Thanks for your input on this question. Scott -- Visit the Jefferson County Beekeepers Association web site at: http://JeffersonCoBeekeepers.homestead.com/ Article 30317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Greg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Re-capping of brood? Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:44:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.69.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 993750290 24.66.69.64 (Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:44:50 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:44:50 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30317 I observed the same thing in my observation hive. The reason I believe was that the cell capping was too close to the glass, so the bees recapped leaving enough space. "Robert Talk" wrote in message news:Twx_6.93975$lq1.25114265@typhoon.austin.rr.com... > What I thought were two capped drone cells (near the bottom of the > bottom-most frame in my 3-frame observation hive) were un-capped by the bees > this morning. Inside of each cell, I saw a large white larvae. This > afternoon, the bees began recapping the cells over the larvae once more. > > The cells don't look like quen cells. Actually, they look like regular cells > except they are much taller (that is, they stick out further from the > foundation) than surrounding worker brood cells. > > This seems strange to me. Anyone seen this type of behavior before? > > Robert > http://members.tripod.com/beetalk > > Article 30318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!isdnet!209.249.90.60.MISMATCH!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-capping of brood? Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:10:33 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 33 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30318 I have also observed this in my observation hive ... The first time I saw pupa uncapped, I thought maybe it was dead and they were getting ready to carry it out. Then I go back and it is again recapped. This was on worker brood cells in the middle of the frame, and I don't think it had anything to do with it's closeness to the glass. I have also seen cells in this condition in other hives (I only assume they also get recapped). Now that I think about it, I did have a queen cell opened after it was capped too. They resealed it, and the queen emerged seemingly unaffected. I have been curious about this for some time now. I have a hard time imagining why they do this??? "Robert Talk" wrote in message news:Twx_6.93975$lq1.25114265@typhoon.austin.rr.com... > What I thought were two capped drone cells (near the bottom of the > bottom-most frame in my 3-frame observation hive) were un-capped by the bees > this morning. Inside of each cell, I saw a large white larvae. This > afternoon, the bees began recapping the cells over the larvae once more. > > The cells don't look like quen cells. Actually, they look like regular cells > except they are much taller (that is, they stick out further from the > foundation) than surrounding worker brood cells. > > This seems strange to me. Anyone seen this type of behavior before? > > Robert > http://members.tripod.com/beetalk > > Article 30319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey super access. Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:15:06 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B3BBA7A.F0D6B4FC@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30319 Hi All, Is there any reason not to give the bees direct access to the supers? I was going to flip the innercover over to allow them to fly in and out through the notch. Thanks Kent Stienburg Eastern Ontario Canada Article 30320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-003cocsprp119.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-capping of brood? Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:57:33 -0600 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.4f X-Server-Date: 28 Jun 2001 23:46:37 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30320 In article , "CharlesW" wrote: > I have also observed this in my observation hive ... > The first time I saw pupa uncapped, I thought maybe it was dead and they > were getting ready to carry it out. Then I go back and it is again recapped. > This was on worker brood cells in the middle of the frame, and I don't think > it had anything to do with it's closeness to the glass. I have also seen > cells in this condition in other hives (I only assume they also get > recapped). Now that I think about it, I did have a queen cell opened after > it was capped too. They resealed it, and the queen emerged seemingly > unaffected. > I have been curious about this for some time now. I have a hard time > imagining why they do this??? Mebbe to add more food? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-003cocsprp119.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey super access. Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:56:56 -0600 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3B3BBA7A.F0D6B4FC@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.4f X-Server-Date: 28 Jun 2001 23:46:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30321 In article <3B3BBA7A.F0D6B4FC@kingston.net>, beeman@kingston.net wrote: > Hi All, > > Is there any reason not to give the bees direct access to the supers? I > was going to flip the innercover over to allow them to fly in and out > through the notch. Thanks > I'm a novice, but the first reason I can think of that makes that a bad idea is that rain will get into the hive through the hole in the middle of the inner cover. (I think you're saying you want to use only the inner cover... forgive me if I'm mistaken.) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-capping of brood? Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:46:16 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3b3bcfbd.482216907@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30322 On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:57:33 -0600, NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: >In article , "CharlesW" > wrote: > >> I have also observed this in my observation hive ... >> The first time I saw pupa uncapped, I thought maybe it was dead and they >> were getting ready to carry it out. Then I go back and it is again recapped. >> This was on worker brood cells in the middle of the frame, and I don't think >> it had anything to do with it's closeness to the glass. I have also seen >> cells in this condition in other hives (I only assume they also get >> recapped). Now that I think about it, I did have a queen cell opened after >> it was capped too. They resealed it, and the queen emerged seemingly >> unaffected. >> I have been curious about this for some time now. I have a hard time >> imagining why they do this??? > >Mebbe to add more food? > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.StretchPhotography.com Or to look inside? beekeep Article 30323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey super access. Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:50:01 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3b3bd018.482307740@news1.radix.net> References: <3B3BBA7A.F0D6B4FC@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30323 On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:15:06 -0400, kent stienburg wrote: >Hi All, > >Is there any reason not to give the bees direct access to the supers? I >was going to flip the innercover over to allow them to fly in and out >through the notch. Thanks > >Kent Stienburg >Eastern Ontario Canada Not that I can think of. A couple of pieces of a 1/4" stick in between the supers works great too. beekeep Article 30324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey super access. Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:42:59 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B3BDD23.68C47272@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3B3BBA7A.F0D6B4FC@kingston.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30324 Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > >> > I'm a novice, but the first reason I can think of that makes that a bad > idea is that rain will get into the hive through the hole in the middle of > the inner cover. (I think you're saying you want to use only the inner > cover... forgive me if I'm mistaken.) > Sorry Charles, I should explain that I have a ventilation box on top. It sits between the innercover and the lid. So the edge of the inner cover is exposed. Kent Article 30325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!uni-erlangen.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.102!not-for-mail From: Mbone@gmx.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: insecticide sevin and pounce Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 20:52:30 -0500 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3onnjt0nonpb2okds51aj5s0sarp77i55k@4ax.com> References: <3B3AA788.6F52C602@gte.net> Reply-To: Mbone@gmx.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.102 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 993779551 15084073 216.167.138.102 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30325 >I have a pumpkin grower who is interested in having you bees pollinate >his crop. He uses liquid Sevin and another chemical called Pounce. That stuff is evil, don't help out dumb farmers that use sevin. It should be banned anyway. Get your bees out of there and let him pollinate the pumpkins by hand that's what he deserves. C.K. Article 30326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Odd Behavior? Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 22:34:30 -0400 Lines: 58 Message-ID: <9hgpj6$dub9d$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 993782183 14626093 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30326 Three days ago, the day after a large storm (over 1 inch rain in an hour), all of my bees were flying around in circles in front of the hives (except one that was from a small swarm earlier in the year). A large number were coming in and out, as if there were a honey flow on. There was no fighting on any of the hive stands. Since I hadn't been in them in about 1-1/2 weeks, I checked the top box or on all and all the way into the brood box on the busiest one. No fighting or robbing behavior that I could see. The one that had the biggest mob of bees in front is up to their seventh super this year, all started from foundation and they have about 1/2 drawn out the last one (this is much better than the other hives in the same location, started at the same time). The next day (it rained again), all was back to about normal, with the usual occasional collisions coming and going and very little circling. two days later, again after a severe storm (rain lots of close lightning), they are at it again, now mostly in front of the small colony that wasn't doing this before. Has anyone else seen such flight behavior right after a severe storm? Or for some other known reason, other than robbing? Could it have been from some type of poisoning or just unusual heavy flow? Or have the bee simply all gone insane? I didn't see any dead bees around the front of the hives or on the bottom board or inside. Just lots of bees doing the same sorts of things they are usually doing. I do occasionally notice a solitary bumblebee trying to get into the hives, but didn't see any on the day they were so active, nor any sign of skunks trying to get in (we have skunks here, but they have never bothered our bees). The hives are all sound, with ventilation holes at the top, but only one main entrance. I had tried imrie shims before for summer entrances, but just get a mess of comb each time. The strongest hive is pretty full (brood, pollen and honey) in the bee's area (1 deep, 1 medium), but I didn't see any swarm cells, just one small queen cup mid way up a frame, which I ignored as I've been advised that they get built sometimes and those in the middle of a frame, with no egg/larva, just get built sometimes and are not a problem (this is only my second year with bees, although I used to go "help" my grandfather with them years ago, in this same location). Karen Oland PS. This is the same day that a kamikaze bee (not necessarily a honey bee, we have lots of bees here of different types) attacked me (well away from the hives, not in any flight path), stinging my index finger after repeatedly banging into my face. Unlike other stings, this one kept gradually swelling up until my entire hand was involved. When the swelling went up the wrist (the next morning), I went to a clinic - the Dr thought it was perhaps an infection from the sting, so went on steroids/antibiotics. Swelling started to subside a little last night and is down about 1/2 today (most pain gone, hurrah, but skin now starting to peel). Could their strange behavior be related? Article 30327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!news.uah.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "wayne Huxtable" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ANIT MG4 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:58:16 +0100 Organization: BSI Lines: 3 Message-ID: <9hhq38$6s0$26@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-223-227.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-Library: Indy 8.0.22 X-Newsreader: Express News Poster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30327 We can supply in any quantities ANIT MG4 COW VACCINE. _____________________________________________________________ This message posted with trial version of Express News Poster Article 30328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Cudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9hgpj6$dub9d$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Odd Behavior? Lines: 78 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:39:42 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.213.70 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 993821726 209.245.213.70 (Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:35:26 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:35:26 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30328 I've noticed this type of flight behavior whenever wasps, hornets or yellow jackets try to get into the hive. Robert http://beetalk.tripod.com KOland wrote in message news:9hgpj6$dub9d$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > Three days ago, the day after a large storm (over 1 inch rain in an hour), > all of my bees were flying around in circles in front of the hives (except > one that was from a small swarm earlier in the year). A large number were > coming in and out, as if there were a honey flow on. There was no fighting > on any of the hive stands. Since I hadn't been in them in about 1-1/2 weeks, > I checked the top box or on all and all the way into the brood box on the > busiest one. No fighting or robbing behavior that I could see. The one that > had the biggest mob of bees in front is up to their seventh super this year, > all started from foundation and they have about 1/2 drawn out the last one > (this is much better than the other hives in the same location, started at > the same time). The next day (it rained again), all was back to about > normal, with the usual occasional collisions coming and going and very > little circling. two days later, again after a severe storm (rain lots of > close > lightning), they are at it again, now mostly in front of the small colony > that wasn't doing this before. > > Has anyone else seen such flight behavior right after a severe storm? > > Or for some other known reason, other than robbing? > > Could it have been from some type of poisoning or just unusual heavy flow? > > Or have the bee simply all gone insane? > > I didn't see any dead bees around the front of the hives or on the bottom > board or inside. Just lots of bees doing the same sorts of things they are > usually doing. I do occasionally notice a solitary bumblebee trying to get > into the hives, but didn't see any on the day they were so active, nor any > sign of skunks trying to get in (we have skunks here, but they have never > bothered our bees). > > The hives are all sound, with ventilation holes at the top, but only one > main entrance. I had tried imrie shims before for summer entrances, but just > get a mess of comb each time. The strongest hive is pretty full (brood, > pollen and honey) in the bee's area (1 deep, 1 medium), but I didn't see any > swarm cells, just one small queen cup mid way up a frame, which I ignored as > I've been advised that they get built sometimes and those in the middle of a > frame, with no egg/larva, just get built sometimes and are not a problem > (this is only my second year with bees, although I used to go "help" my > grandfather with them years ago, in this same location). > > Karen Oland > > PS. This is the same day that a kamikaze bee (not necessarily a honey bee, > we have lots of bees here of different types) attacked me (well away from > the hives, not in any flight path), stinging my index finger after > repeatedly banging into my face. Unlike other stings, this one kept > gradually swelling up until my entire hand was involved. When the swelling > went up the wrist (the next morning), I went to a clinic - the Dr thought it > was perhaps an infection from the sting, so went on steroids/antibiotics. > Swelling started to subside a little last night and is down about 1/2 today > (most pain gone, hurrah, but skin now starting to peel). Could their strange > behavior be related? > > > > Article 30329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Odd Behavior? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B3C9570.A5D3C3C1@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <9hgpj6$dub9d$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:49:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30329 Perhaps it's younger bees taking thier orientation flights? The storms may have kept them inside for a day or two and there is now pent up demand. With a queen laying 2,000 eggs or so a day there should be around that many taking maiden flights daily. Miss a day and that would be 4,000 when the weather clears. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 30330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ANIT MG4 Date: 29 Jun 2001 15:22:18 GMT Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9hi6fa$tpf$0@208.249.8.201> References: <9hhq38$6s0$26@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.249.8.201 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30330 On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:58:16 +0100, "wayne Huxtable" wrote: >We can supply in any quantities ANIT MG4 COW VACCINE. Lets see, I've got 12 hives so I'll need somewhere between half a million and a million doses, and a very small syringe. How effective is this vaccine in protecting my bees from cows? Does it protect against all cows or just some strains of cows. Does it work against the new killer strains of cows? Now if they would only come up with a mite vaccine, chalk brood vaccine, etc. -Tim Article 30331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard <"poll7356 NO SPAM "@uidaho.edu> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Corners or No Corners on Plastic Foundation? Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:04:53 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3B3CA725.B132487E@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 993830587 21374 129.101.81.41 (29 Jun 2001 16:03:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 2001 16:03:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30331 Subject says it all... I've done both. What have other people found?
thanks
matt
poll7356  at  uidaho.edu Article 30332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd Behavior? Date: 29 Jun 2001 16:00:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <9hgpj6$dub9d$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993855605 31117 127.0.0.1 (29 Jun 2001 23:00:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 2001 23:00:05 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30332 Howdy Karen -- Billy is probably right in assuming that what you are seeing is orientation flight of young bees. If this happened about noon or early afternoon and lasted only 10-15 minutes, that is almost positive proof. Sounds like you have some fine big colonies. Good luck. Pete ******************************************************** Article 30333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting Boxes Date: 29 Jun 2001 16:12:35 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 993856355 31737 127.0.0.1 (29 Jun 2001 23:12:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 2001 23:12:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30333 Howdy Stretch -- It is not generally advisable to paint the inside of boxes because of hindering the "breathing" through the wood. In cases where I come by some good sound used equipment, I lightly flame the inside with a propene torch and paint the inside just as a precaution against some disease. It is hoped that if any disease is present that the flaming will take care of that, but covering them with paint may help too. Pete ********************************************************************* Article 30334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!128.135.12.170.MISMATCH!news.uchicago.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Jun 2001 14:48:08 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bees on the front porch Message-ID: <20010630104808.02660.00001200@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30334 Hot, Crowded, Poorly ventillated. Pretty much normal at some point in the summer. Add some supers of comb or foundation. Add some ventillation. Make a split. Article 30335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!csulb.edu!/news!aunews.duc.auburn.edu!not-for-mail From: "Auburn User" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dog House Hive Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:00:16 -0500 Organization: Auburn University Usenet Server Lines: 40 Message-ID: <9hhu6u$oh1$1@aunews.duc.auburn.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: funpc149.acesag.auburn.edu X-Trace: aunews.duc.auburn.edu 993819678 25121 131.204.60.149 (29 Jun 2001 13:01:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@auburn.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:01:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30335 Smoke the bees, spray them with sugar water (2parts sugar, 1part water) the bees will gorge themselves and get sticky. gently scoop them out. I would order a good queen and kill and discard the old queen. Then requeen the hive with known breeding traits. Me wrote in message news:i1XT6.31291$Uo3.1089880@news6.giganews.com... > Hello Everyone, > > I need some advice. A friend of mine called to say that her grandparent's > house, which has been vacant for a couple of years, now has a colony of bees > living in an old dog house in the back yard. She wanted to know if I could > do something to get rid of the bees. I decided that, because the dog house > was small and the bees had obviously been there for at least two years, I > would take the dog house, bees and all, and add it to my apiary. > > The question is, how is the best way to get the bees out of the dog house > and into a normal hive that I can work. > > Here's what I've done so far. After finding a suitable location in the > apiary, I turned the dog house on its end so the door on top. Then placed a > medium hive body with 8 frames of foundation and a frame feeder over the > door with an Imirie Shim to go between the house and the hive body. On top > I put a standard telescoping lid. But, how do I get them to move up into > their new home so I can do away with the dog house? > > Mark > > If what you're doing seems too hard..., > You're probably doing it wrong. :-) > Article 30336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!opentransit.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Apiservices - Gilles RATIA" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Another story of "Analog Honey" Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 19:47:23 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 56 Message-ID: <9hl35a$pi5$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: mix-bordeaux-107-1-114.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 993923050 26181 193.250.109.114 (30 Jun 2001 17:44:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 2001 17:44:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30336 Hi all, Dhampur Sugar India Ltd sells online: Dhampur's Sweet-n-Sweet is a golden colored syrup, entirely pure and natural. It has an inimitable honey-like sweet taste. This appetizing syrup is prepared using high quality sugar under controlled process conditions. http://www.sugarindia.com/sweet_n_sweet.asp Dhampur's Invert Syrup is an equimolar mixture of glucose & fructose in aqueous form. The biotechnological process employed for its manufacture employs immobilized enzymes for sucrose hydrolysis. http://www.sugarindia.com/invert_sugar_syrup.asp Dhampur's Golden Syrup is a golden colored syrup, entirely pure and natural. It has an inimitable honey-like sweet taste. This appetizing syrup is prepared using high quality sugar under controlled process conditions. It is free from any chemical preservatives or food additives. http://www.sugarindia.com/golden_syrup.asp Dhampur's Fructose Rich Syrup is prepared from double refined crystal sugar conforming to WHO and other international quality standards. No chemicals are added during the manufacturing process and the syrup is micro-filtered to ensure the highest level of purity. It also has about 30% less calories for the same degree of sweetness as compared to table sugar, sucrose. http://www.sugarindia.com/fructose_rich_syrup.asp Dhampur's Fruisana is golden colored syrup, entirely pure and natural. It has a inimitable honey-like sweet taste. This appetizing syrup is prepared using high quality sugar under controlled process conditions. It is free from any chemical preservatives or food additives. http://www.sugarindia.com/fruisana.asp Best regards, Gilles RATIA Beekeeping Consultant Webmaster of the "Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" http://www.beekeeping.com President of the Apimondia Standing Commission on Beekeeping Technology and Equipment APISERVICES Beekeeping Development "Le Terrier" F-24420 Coulaures - FRANCE Phone: +33 (0)5 53 05 91 13 Mobile: +33 (0)6 07 68 49 39 Fax: +33 (0)5 53 05 44 57 Do not dial (0) out of France Email: gilles.ratia@apiservices.com Web: http://www.apiservices.com Article 30337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!207.35.177.132.MISMATCH!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees on the front porch Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 08:27:35 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.116.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 993903847 209.226.116.23 (Sat, 30 Jun 2001 08:24:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 08:24:07 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30337 Recently someone wrote asking about loafing bees. I don't recall seeing an explanation of this behaviour, but I am seeing plenty of the same on my strongest hive. At times there are a thousand (few thousand? I'm estimating, perhaps poorly) bees just sitting on the front and sometimes sides of the hive. I've seen this in the morning and early and lat evening, but not so far in mid day. There is a picture at this link: http://www.frank.net/pets/bees/BeesOnHive2001-0625a.jpg What causes the bees to do this? Does this behaviour tell me anything in particular about this hive? Frank. Article 30338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Jun 2001 18:43:10 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Painting Boxes Message-ID: <20010630144310.19437.00001793@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30338 I think whether to paint or not is like a lot of other bee raising questions. It depends on the area that you live in. I'm in mid Ca., where the weather is moderate, and a painter by trade so I paint. When I sanitize my boxes I flame them with a torch and then repaint. Just keep in mind, what is good for Florida maybe different than for Manitoba Article 30339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-008cocsprp326.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Teens? 2nd Post Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 00:27:27 -0600 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.e5.e8 X-Server-Date: 1 Jul 2001 06:17:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30339 Once more I wanted to post that I'm looking for any teenager who may run any kind of small business keeping bees, selling honey, etc. Reply via e-mail or here... I'm putting together a story for a nation-wide magazine on teenagers with their own businesses. Thanks. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!falcon.america.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-008cocsprp326.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting Boxes Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 00:25:53 -0600 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <20010630144310.19437.00001793@ng-ff1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.e5.e8 X-Server-Date: 1 Jul 2001 06:16:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30340 In article <20010630144310.19437.00001793@ng-ff1.aol.com>, rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) wrote: > Just keep in mind, what is good for Florida maybe different than for Manitoba And, as we all learned last year... What's done in Florida (or, to Florida) may be really BAD for the rest of the country (and, the world). I know, I know... I'm stirring up a hornet's nest here... I promise to be good from now on. ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.online.be!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd Behavior? Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 09:09:56 -0400 Lines: 34 Message-ID: <9hn7ig$e1mpj$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <9hgpj6$dub9d$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 993993105 14736179 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30341 Thanks for the advice. Perhaps that is the reason, I'll keep an eye on them. I have notice a few bumble bees attempting to figure out the entrance to the hive, but that usually results in only a few dozen bees circling around. If I've got that many bees on orientation flights this time of year, I hope our flow keeps up for a while (not likely). On the days the bees were behaving strangely, it keep up most of they day (I checked on and off) from late morning until closer to dusk, but most heavily around mid-day. Since I'm out of drawn comb, I'll through a box of foundation on the two that were the most active - if the flow is still going, that will give them some more room, so they don't swarm (I hope). I'll check in a few days to see how they are doing. -Karen "Pete" wrote in message news:bc3bf29.0106291500.46f08d99@posting.google.com... > Howdy Karen -- > > Billy is probably right in assuming that what you are seeing is > orientation flight of young bees. If this happened about noon or early > afternoon and lasted only 10-15 minutes, that is almost positive proof. > Sounds like you have some fine big colonies. Good luck. > > Pete > ******************************************************** Article 30342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!panix!news.panix.com!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@panix3.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long for new queen to start laying. Date: 1 Jul 2001 09:58:56 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9hnab0$j2i$1@panix3.panix.com> References: <3B333325.D87C24A8@york.ac.uk> <5CKY6.3811$kx3.353929@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <3B3704C2.543BB154@york.ac.uk> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 993995936 7030 166.84.0.228 (1 Jul 2001 13:58:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jul 2001 13:58:56 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30342 Hi. Weather and other environmental conditions will really influence how long it takes for a queen to mate and then lay. If there's no more brood in a colony and there still isn't a mated laying queen, we usually put in a frame of mixed brood and bees, then give th colony several more days. If there are no eggs and emergency cells on the donated brood, then we'll introduce a mated queen in a screen cage. Keep her in there for another few days then switch over to a candy plug. The best adage I've ever heard is from the book _Honey By The Ton_ written by Oliver Field, ISBN: 0-907908-46-2 "Give the bees what they are expecting." Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 30343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!skynet.be!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Luke Stuart" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: egg movement Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:20:16 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.253.73.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 993983576 62.253.73.82 (Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:32:56 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:32:56 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30343 I noticed a strange thing in one of my hives the other day....... I'm using the demaree method to get the hive to produce some queen cells .... and so moved a frame of eggs and pollen into the top of the hive (only one however) I marked this frame with some coloured spacers. The super had mostly draw out wax and some honey but nothing else. The super is on the fourth level above the nest with a sound queen excluder and two full supers of honey. About 3 days later I examined this frame that I had brought to the top of the hive and there were no cells. I looked at the adacent frame and found a good large queen cup made in the new wax. I put the hive tool into it to brake it down and it had a larvae inside with a great load of royal jelly. !!!!! I wondered if the workers may have laid in it though this would surely not have been made into a queen cell? The queen was still below, the frame was definitley not the one with eggs in the only explanation I can think of is the bees moved the egg over !!!!!!!!? Has anyone come across this before. Any ideas? Thanks Luke. Article 30344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!dca.uu.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!isdnet!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!newspeer2.clara.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Luke Stuart" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: egg movement Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:32:53 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.253.73.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 993983577 62.253.73.82 (Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:32:57 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:32:57 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30344 I noticed a strange thing in one of my hives the other day....... I'm using the demaree method to get the hive to produce some queen cells .... and so moved a frame of eggs and pollen into the top of the hive (only one however) I marked this frame with some coloured spacers. The super had mostly draw out wax and some honey but nothing else. The super is on the fourth level above the nest with a sound queen excluder and two full supers of honey. About 3 days later I examined this frame that I had brought to the top of the hive and there were no cells. I looked at the adacent frame and found a good large queen cup made in the new wax. I put the hive tool into it to brake it down and it had a larvae inside with a great load of royal jelly. !!!!! I wondered if the workers may have laid in it though this would surely not have been made into a queen cell? The queen was still below, the frame was definitley not the one with eggs in the only explanation I can think of is the bees moved the egg over !!!!!!!!? Has anyone come across this before. Any ideas? Thanks Luke. Article 30345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.us.prserv.net!prserv.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Luke Stuart" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: egg movement Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:33:12 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.253.73.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 993983593 62.253.73.82 (Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:33:13 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:33:13 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30345 I noticed a strange thing in one of my hives the other day....... I'm using the demaree method to get the hive to produce some queen cells .... and so moved a frame of eggs and pollen into the top of the hive (only one however) I marked this frame with some coloured spacers. The super had mostly draw out wax and some honey but nothing else. The super is on the fourth level above the nest with a sound queen excluder and two full supers of honey. About 3 days later I examined this frame that I had brought to the top of the hive and there were no cells. I looked at the adacent frame and found a good large queen cup made in the new wax. I put the hive tool into it to brake it down and it had a larvae inside with a great load of royal jelly. !!!!! I wondered if the workers may have laid in it though this would surely not have been made into a queen cell? The queen was still below, the frame was definitley not the one with eggs in the only explanation I can think of is the bees moved the egg over !!!!!!!!? Has anyone come across this before. Any ideas? Thanks Luke. Article 30346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Beekeeping Teens? 2nd Post Lines: 31 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <3DJ%6.19140$C81.1472536@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 18:04:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 994010687 12.73.40.101 (Sun, 01 Jul 2001 18:04:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 18:04:47 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30346 Good luck Stretch. It dawned on me the other day as I was mowing the lawn that neighborhood kids no longer mow lawns or rake leaves. Their parents pay $60/month for a mow and blow service while the kids sit in their butts. Is the entrepreneurial spirit in America dead? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:NO-StretchL-0107010027280001@sdn-ar-008cocsprp326.dialsprint.net... > Once more I wanted to post that I'm looking for any teenager who may run > any kind of small business keeping bees, selling honey, etc. > > Reply via e-mail or here... I'm putting together a story for a > nation-wide magazine on teenagers with their own businesses. > > Thanks. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news1.cableinet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Visit to see the bees at Buckfast Abby 7 July Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 21:50:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.31.190.151 X-Complaints-To: http://www.blueyonder.co.uk/abuse X-Trace: news1.cableinet.net 994024216 62.31.190.151 (Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:50:16 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:50:16 BST Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30347 Hello everyone I have four seats left on a coach leaving the Midlands for Buckfast Abbey on 7 July seats are £25 each. Here is the Itinery. Email me if you are interested. WHOLE DAY VISIT TO BUCKFAST ABBEY & THE MONKS' BEES SATURDAY 7 JULY 2001 TIME TABLE 6.45 am Coach pick-up from Stourbridge (The Cross Public House at Oldswinford, parking at the rear of the shops opposite) and then Hagley Community Centre. 7.00am. At Hagley Community Centre which is between St Saviours and the shops (next to Lloyds Bank). Journey to Devon and Buckfast Abbey, with one "comfort stop" on the M5. 12.00 noon. Lunch. If you take a packed lunch, this should be eaten now. Alternatively, a meal may be purchased at the Abbey restaurant. 2.00pm. Commencement of the demonstration of Buckfast bees (weather permitting). This will include opening colonies of Buckfast bees. (You may be happier to wear your beekeeping gear, but you will find that it isn't really necessary, as the bees are so mild tempered.) It will conclude with a guided tour of the Honey House, designed by, (but not built by as at that time he was recovering from a nervous breakdown), Brother Adam. Most of the other equipment was both designed and made by him. 5.30pm. A Devon cream tea in the Abbey restaurant provided for the whole of our party. 6.30pm. Return to the Midlands, again with a "comfort stop" if requested. 10.30pm. Arrive back at the dispersal points. Timings are liable to alterations depending upon traffic conditions etc. The Demonstration and guided tour will be shared with another party of beekeepers. There are so many groups wishing to make this pilgrimage, that some doubling-up is necessary if the staff are to have any free time of their own! Article 30348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Teens? 2nd Post Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:46:38 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9ho5va$arl$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.32.37.21 X-Server-Date: 1 Jul 2001 21:50:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30348 Dear Charles, I'm a teenage beekeeper (17). I sell honey, lip balm, bees, queens and beekeeping equipment to the locals. I run a web site, www.ingenbees.com were I help people begin beekeeping. I would be willing to assist you in any way that I can. Christopher "Pete" Petree InGenBees.com pete@ingenbees.com Article 30349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!not-for-mail From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super Storage Date: 1 Jul 2001 21:56:49 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 10 Sender: verified_for_usenet@cornell.edu (jwg6 on syr-24-95-169-25.twcny.rr.com) Message-ID: <9ho6b1$rie$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: syr-24-95-169-25.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 994024609 28238 24.95.169.25 (1 Jul 2001 21:56:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jul 2001 21:56:49 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30349 Stack the supers up outside, on a stand or pallet, with q.excluder (or hardware cloth) beneath the lowest one, and cover each stack with a lid. The supers don't need any other protection. Excluder keeps the mice out. You can treat with moth crystals at the top of the stack, and between supers partway down, if necessary in your region. Article 30350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: clonefan@netins.net (clonefan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting equipment forsale Date: 1 Jul 2001 16:19:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <992377248.695811@www.starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.152.122.17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 994029551 23872 127.0.0.1 (1 Jul 2001 23:19:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jul 2001 23:19:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30350 "Elroy Rogers" wrote in message news:<992377248.695811@www.starpoint.net>... > I have a 50 frame stainless extractor for sale, asking $500, also have > cowen uncapper for sale asking 600. > > I used this equipment last fall worked very well the extractor was made by > Kelly manual speed control. > > Reason for selling I just purchased a large operation with 1 80 frame, and 2 > 60 frame extractors. Also have 2 Gunness uncappers I am interested in the cowen uncapper. Is the uncapper still available? How old is it, what is the overall condition of it, and if it is available, how soon can I get it? I am about 3 1/2 hours from Marshall MN. Clonefan Article 30351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: clonefan@netins.net (clonefan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting equipment forsale Date: 1 Jul 2001 16:20:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <992377248.695811@www.starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.152.122.17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 994029656 23887 127.0.0.1 (1 Jul 2001 23:20:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jul 2001 23:20:56 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30351 "Elroy Rogers" wrote in message news:<992377248.695811@www.starpoint.net>... > I have a 50 frame stainless extractor for sale, asking $500, also have > cowen uncapper for sale asking 600. > > I used this equipment last fall worked very well the extractor was made by > Kelly manual speed control. > > Reason for selling I just purchased a large operation with 1 80 frame, and 2 > 60 frame extractors. Also have 2 Gunness uncappers This is clonefan again, my e-mail address is clonefan@netins.net. Please e-mail me to let me know the status of the uncapper. Article 30352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-004cocsprp090.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Teens? 2nd Post Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 21:57:19 -0600 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3DJ%6.19140$C81.1472536@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.b2 X-Server-Date: 2 Jul 2001 03:46:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30352 In article <3DJ%6.19140$C81.1472536@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" wrote: > Good luck Stretch. It dawned on me the other day as I was mowing the lawn > that neighborhood kids no longer mow lawns or rake leaves. Their parents pay > $60/month for a mow and blow service while the kids sit in their butts. Is > the entrepreneurial spirit in America dead? Welllll... every now and then I see a lemonade stand set up along the side of a city street here in COSprings... I probably should stop next time, now that you got me thinking about it. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com