Article 12641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan strips Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 01:58:37 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6kt1se$g43$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1998053103015900.XAA05218@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 01 01:58:37 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12641 In article <1998053103015900.XAA05218@ladder03.news.aol.com>, olymbos@aol.com (Olymbos) wrote: > > Does anyone have any information on the effect of it to honey, or any possible > contamination? What kind of chemical is the active ingredient, and how is this > chemical handled safely by humans? any concerns by any fellow Beekeepers?? > Nicholas H. > follow label instructions and treat only when NO honey for human consumption is being made - wear latex gloves when handing the fluvalinate impregnated plastic strips - no honey contamination will result by following these simple precautions on the label Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!rquillen From: rquillen@rquillen.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (Robert C. Quillen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: package's queen a dud Date: 1 Jun 1998 04:08:09 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6kt9f9$e34$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rquillen.bevd.blacksburg.va.us X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12642 Howdy, This is my first year at beekeeping. I installed 3 packages this spring. In one of them the queen is a lot smaller than the other 2 and isn't really laying many eggs. There are also drone caps scattered around in the worker brood (5-10 per frame). There are 3 supercedure cells. Should I let the bees replace the queen or buy a replacement? I'm worried about the success of the new queen mating. There are not any other colony's around to make drones. -Robert Article 12643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: package's queen a dud Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 04:58:49 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6ktc9r$8ac$1@market.pe.net> References: <6kt9f9$e34$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp36.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12643 You installed each package in a separate hive body so that you have 3 colonies, right? I would say you are doing great. In my first year of beekeeping I just had one colony that Mike the Beekeeper set up for me. I made an observation hive that year to put in a frame of bees and brood and I ordered a queen to put in there but there was an error and I received a whole package so that I had to quickly buy a hive body and ten frames from Miller Honey in Fontana. So then I had two colonies and it turned out that the frame that I stuck in the observation hive had an old laying queen on it! Now I have two topbar hives and I like them better than the standard hive. In article <6kt9f9$e34$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, rquillen@rquillen.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (Robert C. Quillen) wrote: > >Howdy, > >This is my first year at beekeeping. I installed 3 packages this spring. >In one of them the queen is a lot smaller than the other 2 and isn't >really laying many eggs. There are also drone caps scattered around >in the worker brood (5-10 per frame). There are 3 supercedure cells. > >Should I let the bees replace the queen or buy a replacement? I'm worried >about the success of the new queen mating. There are not any other colony's >around to make drones. > >-Robert Article 12644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dougb713@aol.com (DougB713) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Other Groups Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1998060117562300.NAA04727@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 1998 17:56:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12644 Can someone provide a list of other beekeeping discussion groups? Thanks Article 12645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: macivor1@aol.com (Macivor1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what sort of bees are these? Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998060117381100.NAA28990@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 1998 17:38:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12645 i know nothing about bees. i live in san francisco, cal. and noticed, hanging from a tree, a mud, orb shaped hive. what sort of bees are these? can anyone help? how do i get rid of them? Article 12646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.uni-c.dk!not-for-mail From: "flemming rasmussen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: winter kill Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:53:28 +0200 Organization: News Server at UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6kutj6$jck$1@news.uni-c.dk> References: <1998052721471500.RAA24583@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm5-119.danbbs.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12646 ChuckLaser skrev i meddelelsen <1998052721471500.RAA24583@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >A friend of mine lost one of two vigorous hives (in the midwest) this winter. >When opened, some bees had made about 15 clusters and died there on the comb. >Evidence of mold and a small entrance made me think itwas moisture. The other >less vigorous hive had a larger opening and survived well. We took out 3 full >frames of good looking honey left by the dead bees. Is this a moisture problem >or something else ? I found no evidence of disease. > >Chuck hello It cut be virus that killd you friends bees.If ther larst summer wher many varoamites in the farmily, cut thei infekt you frinds bees.It happend offent heer in Danmark.It is wery importent to in-winter wheth so few mites as posible.(maybe the mites in you frinds familys are resistens?) Article 12647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.250.21!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.nodak.edu!plains.NoDak.edu!altenbur From: altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu (Karl Altenburg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what sort of bees are these? Date: 1 Jun 1998 19:26:43 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6kuv9j$hck$1@node2.nodak.edu> References: <1998060117381100.NAA28990@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12647 Macivor1 (macivor1@aol.com) wrote: : i know nothing about bees. i live in san francisco, cal. and noticed, hanging : from a tree, a mud, orb shaped hive. what sort of bees are these? can anyone : help? how do i get rid of them? They are most likely wasps of some type. If the nest is made of paper rather than mud than I would say they are yellowjacket wasps or hornets. If it is clearly mud, then I would guess that its some kind of exotic import from the tropics (but that's just my guess, I'm from the midwest). Why do you want to git rid of them? Are they in the way of anyone? Are they aggressive towards you? -- Karl R Altenburg altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu North Dakota State University Fargo, ND 58105 http://www.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu/~altenbur All things are artificial, for nature is the art of God. SIR THOMAS BROWNE Article 12648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Berny" Subject: Beekeeping groups in Florida Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:41:09 -0400 Lines: 34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01BD8BD8.FC895F60" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust3.tnt13.atl2.da.uu.net [153.36.90.3] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.143.79!upnetnews03!upnetnews05 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12648 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BD8BD8.FC895F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know of any Beekeeping groups in Florida (if possible South = Florida)??? 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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BD8BD8.FC895F60-- Article 12649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 18:59:35 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 64 Message-ID: <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 896748997 EDOBMGQ.FB031D018C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12649 I bought a buckfast queen to requeen with. Sunday I went out and set up another brood box, before I got to the hive I already had 10-20 bees buzzing me, Sunny light breeze about 90 degrees about 1pm. I gently smoked the entrance then cracked the top to add smoke and was immediately besieged by 100's of bees bouncing off my suite and vale. I added 1 gal of syrup and closed back up. Today I went out to add the new queen. I decided to put 3 frames of brood in the new hive body and the rest foundation. Same weather. I smoked the entrance and opened the back top and before I could get the smoke up to the lid I was again besieged by 100's of bees. I opened the hive smoked them and left. I walked around the house 75 feet and went in the garage. About 20 minuets later I went back out and they were waiting for me at the door. I went back to the hive and took out 3 frames and shook the bees off into the old hive and put them in the new hive and added the queen cage. I had to leave again as there were many hundreds of bees bouncing off my suite and leaving stingers in it and my gloves, Only 2 got through to sting me. I again walked around the house long way and went in. 1/2 hour later I went back out and there was a trail of bees all the around the house, I could see them. I went back to the hive and hastily closed it back up leaving out a few frames of foundation. By now there was a cloud of bees all around me and the house, I could not get away from them even after walking several hundred feet and trying to sneak in the house through another door. I brought about 50 in with me. I stayed outside about 1/2 hour and just walked to get away from them. Its now been over 1 hour and looking out the 2nd story window that overlooks the hive about 30 ft from the house and I see a few bees hanging around the screen. I left the smoker by the back door and looking out that window I see about 20 bees hanging around it. I used straw (hay) for fuel. Maby they dont like that. My house is 50ft long and that door is about 90 ft from the hive on the other side of the house. Ive had 40 hives and never have I had this much trouble. If they don't have african in them then there is something drastically wrong. The single brood box weighs about 40-50 lb. now. I dont have any Idea how Im ever going to get to the old queen to kill her, I cant stand around the hive that long. Every frame I pick up I get about 200 more bees atacking me. I couldnt even remove the feeder, which since yesterday is empty. Any Ideas or Comments welcome? Larry Larry WIlliard wrote: > I started a hive last month from a package. At first the bees were > very calm, I could open the hive without gloves or bee suite and add > sugar water, now that the 2nd round of brood has hatched they are very > aggressive, no way will I open it without bee suite. I suspect its the > queen. Should I requeen? > Thanks for your help > > Larry Article 12650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.sgi.net!pitt.edu!not-for-mail From: Tony Capon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee keeper's insurance Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 21:06:14 -0700 Organization: University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown Lines: 32 Message-ID: <35737A36.4BA46052@imap.pitt.edu> References: <6kf4fl$p7j@shell2.shore.net> <1998053017302500.NAA07517@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jbddup-a-11.rmt.net.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; U) To: Pollinator Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12650 Pollinator wrote: > > In article <6kf4fl$p7j@shell2.shore.net>, thiett@shore.net (Tim Hiett) writes: > > >I own a small orchard in Massachussetts where I allow a local beekeeper > >to place his hives. I've recently been concerned about liability claims > >since my orchard is in a tightly packed neighborhood. I'm wondering > >what options I may have for insurance coverage. Are there beekeeping > >associations that offer insurance for property owners or hive owners? > > Try Roger Starks at Howalt-McDowell Insurance, Inc. 800-584-7054. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm -- Have you checked with your homeowners insurance company? They may already be covered. I found out from my company that I'm covered for liability for my bees, regardless of whether I have them on my property or someone else's, providing I'm not keeping them as a business (in which case I would need business insurance). If you allow a beekeeper to keep his bees in your orchard, you may be covered, particularly if you don't charge him for doing so. I keep my bees in my neighbor's orchard, because it has a fence to keep the bears out (we share the honey) and both his insurance company and mine tell us we both covered under each of our homeowners policies. TC Article 12651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Worms-- HELP!!! Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 02:54:08 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <357367bb.123420709@news.earthlink.net> References: <35716CDC.7122@swbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 2cust49.tnt1.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12651 Jim Owen wrote: >I've got 6 hives, two are thick with bees, the other four are mid to >lite populations. Of these four, two are thick with wax worms one has a >few, and one is essentially clean. > >Jim Owen >Dallas Jim, you might want to make sure that the affected hives have a good, disease-free brood nest and varroa is controlled. Waxworms (moth) are typically only a problem in weak hives. A short-term solution is to move some of he boxes that are showing moth damage to your stronger hives. My hives are also in the Dallas area, and moth has always been an the "undertaker" when there is a different, more serious problem in the hives. Regards, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 12652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Kelley's 7-11 Foundation or Queen Excluder Date: 2 Jun 1998 03:40:49 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6kvs81$oms$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-8.sl040.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12652 There have been quite a few posts in this group on the subject of Queen Excluders. I have used Kelley's 7-11 foundation successfully without an excluder. Why is this approach not more generally accepted? Article 12653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: 2 Jun 1998 04:23:32 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 96 Message-ID: <6kvuo4$1hq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.38.228 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12653 Geez Larry, my wife would have a cow! As a contrast to your experience, I worked on both of the hives in my 40' x 40' back yard while 3 kids played and the wife worked about the garden. The project of the day was Q marking and of course she was in the bottom deep in both below another deep and 3 supers. Needless to say, I had the things torn down to the ground. No one was even buzzed. Although I initially felt you should give her some more time, sounds like she has to go. Hopefully someone can give you some tips on quickly finding a Q in a difficult hive. Does she at least lay a decent pattern? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Larry Williard wrote in article <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net>... > I bought a buckfast queen to requeen with. Sunday I went out and set up > another brood box, before I got to the hive I already had 10-20 bees > buzzing me, Sunny light breeze about 90 degrees about 1pm. I gently smoked > > the entrance then cracked the top to add smoke and was immediately > besieged by 100's of bees bouncing off my suite and vale. I added 1 gal of > > syrup and closed back up. > Today I went out to add the new queen. I decided to put 3 frames of > brood in the new hive body and the rest foundation. Same weather. I smoked > > the entrance and opened the back top and before I could get the smoke up > to the lid I was again besieged by 100's of bees. I opened the hive smoked > > them and left. I walked around the house 75 feet and went in the garage. > About 20 minuets later I went back out and they were waiting for me at the > > door. I went back to the hive and took out 3 frames and shook the bees off > > into the old hive and put them in the new hive and added the queen cage. I > > had to leave again as there were many hundreds of bees bouncing off my > suite and leaving stingers in it and my gloves, Only 2 got through to > sting me. I again walked around the house long way and went in. 1/2 hour > later I went back out and there was a trail of bees all the around the > house, I could see them. I went back to the hive and hastily closed it > back up leaving out a few frames of foundation. By now there was a cloud > of bees all around me and the house, I could not get away from them even > after walking several hundred feet and trying to sneak in the house > through another door. I brought about 50 in with me. I stayed outside > about 1/2 hour and just walked to get away from them. Its now been over 1 > hour and looking out the 2nd story window that overlooks the hive about 30 > ft from the house and I see a few bees hanging around the screen. I left > the smoker by the back door and looking out that window I see about 20 > bees hanging around it. I used straw (hay) for fuel. Maby they dont like > that. My house is 50ft long and that door is about 90 ft from the hive on > the other side of the house. > Ive had 40 hives and never have I had this much trouble. If they don't > have african in them > then there is something drastically wrong. The single brood box weighs > about 40-50 lb. now. I dont have any Idea how Im ever going to get to the > old queen to kill her, I cant stand around the hive that long. Every frame > I pick up I get about 200 more bees atacking me. I couldnt even remove the > feeder, which since yesterday is empty. > > Any Ideas or Comments welcome? > > Larry > > > > Larry WIlliard wrote: > > > I started a hive last month from a package. At first the bees were > > very calm, I could open the hive without gloves or bee suite and add > > sugar water, now that the 2nd round of brood has hatched they are very > > aggressive, no way will I open it without bee suite. I suspect its the > > queen. Should I requeen? > > Thanks for your help > > > > Larry > > > > Article 12654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: package's queen a dud Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 17:36:44 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3573491C.53F5@kingston.net> References: <6kt9f9$e34$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 59-g1.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12654 Robert C. Quillen wrote: > > Howdy, > > This is my first year at beekeeping. I installed 3 packages this spring. > In one of them the queen is a lot smaller than the other 2 and isn't > really laying many eggs. There are also drone caps scattered around > in the worker brood (5-10 per frame). There are 3 supercedure cells. > > Should I let the bees replace the queen or buy a replacement? I'm worried > about the success of the new queen mating. There are not any other colony's > around to make drones. > > -Robert Hi Robert, I agree with Peter, your doing fine. My queen was superceded this spring also. There aren't many other hives around so I was concerned with inbreeding. Everything is fine and she is laying a nice pattern. I find that the bees know what to do. Remember that it takes 16 days to hatch. Then aprox. another 6 days to become mature. So you won't see eggs for about 24 days. So check in 4 weeks. You'll know then. Of course if you buy a queen and can get one soon then your brood down time is reduced. Since you are probably not making a living keeping bees I would let the supercedure go ahead. You can always requeen her later if it doesn't work out. That was my reasoning concerning my situation. Keep us posted. Kent Stienburg Article 12655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kelley's 7-11 Foundation or Queen Excluder Date: 2 Jun 1998 17:26:21 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6l1cjt$8p6@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6kvs81$oms$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.168 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12655 Let me profess my ignorance, but what is Kelley's 7-11 foundation. Local supplier only handles what Dadant & Sons can supply. More info or a link would be greatly appreciated. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Jerome R. Long wrote in article <6kvs81$oms$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... > There have been quite a few posts in this group on the subject of Queen > Excluders. I have used Kelley's 7-11 foundation successfully without an > excluder. Why is this approach not more generally accepted? > > Article 12656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Lines: 87 Message-ID: <1998060217232700.NAA16447@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1998 17:23:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12656 From: Larry Williard >Every frame I pick up I get about 200 more bees atacking me. I couldnt even remove the feeder, which since yesterday is empty. Any Ideas or Comments welcome?<< Larry, You may have a remnant of the old german black bee, which could be real bad. Or hybrid bees have reverted. There's always some genetic stock around that can produce mean bees, though it has been much diminished by the loss of feral bees to varroa, pesticide misuse, and clearcut logging. Make a nuc of your new queen, by giving her 2-3 frames of sealed brood and a frame of honey, in a new hive. You might want to give her a few days to get established. Then move the mean hive a short distance away. Set your new nuc in the position of your old hive. This will collect the field force (the old bees, most likely to sting), and they will be mean for a couple weeks, until the field force dies off. Let the old hive in the new position have a day or two of good flying. Most of the old bees will not return, they will go to the nuc on the old site, since they have habituated to it. Then go through the mean hive and look for the queen. You will now have young bees (and a lot fewer of them) and they will be much gentler. If they still will not let you work, move the hive again and let them fly for a few more hours. It's best to work a mean hive early, when the old bees have just begun flying. Around 4 - 5 pm they can start getting real bad again, and at dusk they can be unbelievable. Find that old queen and KILL that mama. Then you can requeen to start another hive, or recombine with your nuc. They will be gentle as soon as the current generation dies off - at most about six weeks. Some reasons for bees to be mean: 1. Genetic predisposition - assumed to be the main cause here. This is a permanent situation unless you intervene by requeening with gentle stock. 2. Strong hive plugged out. Give them space and they'll quiet down. 3. Strong hive with honey flow ending suddenly: bloom over, prolonged rainy days, etc. Buckwheat flows end abruptly at noon. Don't work buckwheat bees in the afternoon. 4. Too high a proportion of old bees in hive due to failing queen, brood death from chalkbrood, foulbrood, pesticide damage. Or can be a premature shut down of the queen due to plugging out....see 2. 5. Light damage from some pesticides will make bees very mean. Sevin is one. 6. Hives kept continuously agitated: Nocturnal skunk or other preditor visits; kids throwing stuff at hives or roaring through bee yards with those idiot machines. Note: If dogs continuously pester chickens, they will stop laying....... 7. Even very good hives will get bad late in the day, or at night, particularly if it is hot. 8. Rough handling crushes a lot of bees, releasing alarm odor. One bad hive in a yard of good bees can do the same. Work known bad hives last. 9. Robbing: When bees rob they get superdefensive, because strong hives will attempt to rob weak hives. Care to avoid spilled honey in yards is a good idea. Leaving wet supers to be cleaned out is not. If you have a location with ONE hive, and no others nearby, then you could let them clean out wet supers. If there are multiple hives, they will likely soon attack each other and every other thing that moves. Probably could think of some others, given some time. Maybe other beekeepers can add to the list. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kelley's 7-11 Foundation or Queen Excluder Date: 2 Jun 1998 19:13:07 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 52 Message-ID: <6l1is3$81i@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6kvs81$oms$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <6l1cjt$8p6@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35743E75.AC06E5E7@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.61 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12657 I would appreciate a pic of the page. I wonder if it is any different than the thin surplus that I buy for cut comb. Problem is that it does not hold up well to extracting. Let us know how the requeening with the Buckfast goes! -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Larry Williard wrote in article <35743E75.AC06E5E7@fcbl.net>... > Kelly doesnt have a web page or even a computer or an 800 number. there > number is 1-502-242-2012, according to the latest catalog. 7-11 is cut comb > foundation for producing comb honey in shallow frames. The cell foundation is > milled larger than brood cells and smaller then drone cells and they say the > queen does NOT like to lay in these but ocassionally do to some extent. If > you want me to scan the page and email it to you let me know. > Larry > > George Styer wrote: > > > Let me profess my ignorance, but what is Kelley's 7-11 foundation. Local > > supplier only handles what Dadant & Sons can supply. More info or a link > > would be greatly appreciated. > > -- > > Geo > > "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" > > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > > Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > > > > Jerome R. Long wrote in article > > <6kvs81$oms$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... > > > There have been quite a few posts in this group on the subject of Queen > > > Excluders. I have used Kelley's 7-11 foundation successfully without an > > > excluder. Why is this approach not more generally accepted? > > > > > > > > > > Article 12658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protective Clothing for Beekeepers Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:09:04 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6l1m46$i4u$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-76.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12658 View our web page at http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/mountain.html and contact me, Robin Mountain, for prices and further information. My e-mail address is mountbee@iafrica.com , and my fax no. is +27 1782 2768 begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO References: <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12659 In article <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com>, Bob Gercak wrote: >I'm interested in learning more about beekeeping as a hobby. Would anyone >be kind enough to recommend a book or books for a complete novice interested >in basic very-small-scale beekeeping? I'm particularly interested in the >expense (in time and in money) involved in setting up and maintaining a >hive. Thanks for your anticipated help. http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees Click on FAQ Files Click on Beekeeping Book FAQ Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news.uni-jena.de!news.tu-ilmenau.de!not-for-mail From: Christian Schuetz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: H E L P ! ! ! Laying worker Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:36:14 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Ilmenau Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3573B97E.41C6@wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de> References: <01bd8c3f$6677d6c0$bbb772ce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: fresnel.wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; AIX 1) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12660 it is only useful if there are enough worker bees in the hive 1. clean the hive ( take all bees outside) 2. take a frame with eggs ( or brood up to 3 days) and frames with worker brood (not to many) to the hive (worker bees exept the laying workers will come back to their hive, perhaps clean the entrance in order to prevent to many drones from coming back) 3. look into the hive after 3 days (you will now find queen cells, if you could get a queen you can add it now to the hive) Article 12661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.ipass.net!not-for-mail From: "Greg Mitchell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com> Subject: Re: Books for the total beginner Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 01:19:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ts2-74-ppp.ipass.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 21:19:23 EDT Organization: iPass.Net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12661 If you don't already have First Lessons in BEEKEEPING by C.P. Dadant it is quite good and is published by Dadant & Sons in Hamilton Illinois. Should you look in the library, the Library of Congress card number is 75-38347 and the ISBN Number 0 915698-02-1. You'll also want to find a local bee club to learn about weather, flowers, and other differences in your area. Good luck! Bob Gercak wrote in message <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com>... >I'm interested in learning more about beekeeping as a hobby. Would anyone >be kind enough to recommend a book or books for a complete novice interested >in basic very-small-scale beekeeping? I'm particularly interested in the >expense (in time and in money) involved in setting up and maintaining a >hive. Thanks for your anticipated help. > > Article 12662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Richard Hackworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com> Subject: Re: Books for the total beginner Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:15:20 -0400 Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.1.217.202 Message-ID: <3574b1f8.0@199.103.243.32> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.hardlink.com!199.103.243.32!207.1.217.202 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12662 "How to Keep Bees and Sale Honey" is the book you are looking for.Written by Walter T. Kelly. 1-800-233-2899 $5.00 + shipping. Bob Gercak wrote in message <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com>... >I'm interested in learning more about beekeeping as a hobby. Would anyone >be kind enough to recommend a book or books for a complete novice interested >in basic very-small-scale beekeeping? I'm particularly interested in the >expense (in time and in money) involved in setting up and maintaining a >hive. Thanks for your anticipated help. > > Article 12663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees & Minerals Date: 3 Jun 1998 03:33:06 GMT Lines: 28 Message-ID: <1998060303330600.XAA26794@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12663 Summer heat has set in early here in South Carolina. It's been in the mid and upper 90's now for two weeks (99 yesterday!). Needless to say, we work with soaking wet clothes, and are fighting heat exhaustion. One day last week, I had chills and got sick. Now I am carrying pedialight for electolytes. It does seem to help. Maybe it's not just me needing minerals. I've seen a new phenomenon that I've never observed -- bees landing on my arms and drinking sweat! I would assume that bees will naturally get all the salts and minerals they need in their normal food supply. Perhaps the extreme heat makes an exception? Or are the organic folks right when they say our soils and plants are becoming depleted and deficient of minerals? Has anyone ever studied the mineral requirements of the bees. I recall years ago, an old time beekeeper who somehow fed cattle minerals to his bees. At the time, I thought it was an odd idea without any support. But perhaps some supplemental minerals would be a smart idea? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: package's queen a dud Date: 2 Jun 1998 12:29:14 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6l0r6q$fc6$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6kt9f9$e34$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12664 In article <6kt9f9$e34$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Robert C. Quillen wrote: >Howdy, > >This is my first year at beekeeping. I installed 3 packages this spring. >In one of them the queen is a lot smaller than the other 2 and isn't >really laying many eggs. There are also drone caps scattered around >in the worker brood (5-10 per frame). There are 3 supercedure cells. > >Should I let the bees replace the queen or buy a replacement? I'm worried >about the success of the new queen mating. There are not any other colony's >around to make drones. Well if your anywhere in Blacksburg, or in the Tech area there are plenty of good drones flying around. ;-) email me if you need help Adam (Someone from the same town as me is asking questions on sci.agriculture.beekeeping--now that's the Internet.) -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.wli.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kelley's 7-11 Foundation or Queen Excluder Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:03:33 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <35743E75.AC06E5E7@fcbl.net> References: <6kvs81$oms$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <6l1cjt$8p6@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 896810609 EDOBMGQ.FB02CD018C usenet14.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12665 Kelly doesnt have a web page or even a computer or an 800 number. there number is 1-502-242-2012, according to the latest catalog. 7-11 is cut comb foundation for producing comb honey in shallow frames. The cell foundation is milled larger than brood cells and smaller then drone cells and they say the queen does NOT like to lay in these but ocassionally do to some extent. If you want me to scan the page and email it to you let me know. Larry George Styer wrote: > Let me profess my ignorance, but what is Kelley's 7-11 foundation. Local > supplier only handles what Dadant & Sons can supply. More info or a link > would be greatly appreciated. > -- > Geo > "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > > Jerome R. Long wrote in article > <6kvs81$oms$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... > > There have been quite a few posts in this group on the subject of Queen > > Excluders. I have used Kelley's 7-11 foundation successfully without an > > excluder. Why is this approach not more generally accepted? > > > > Article 12666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!falcon!viper.america.net!not-for-mail From: "Brenton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Quick, Help an instant beekeeper, three swarms rich. Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:01:28 -0500 Organization: Internet Services Lines: 72 Message-ID: <6l2ke4$57t$1@viper.america.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: max4-11.nemr.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12666 Hello Brent here, I need realy quick advice. Please email if you can help. myersXnemr.net (change the X to an @, must foil the junkmail) All of the sudden I am a beekeeper. Yesterday I found what appeared to be 2 seperate swarms. One in the crook of a small maple tree, the other on the ground ten feet away. So within ten minutes I had connected up to the net and searched up exactly what I should do. I got some sheets and two boxes and set to work. I suited up in a makeshift outfit of mesh, a big hat, some heavy clothing and gloves. First I placed a box over the swarm on the gound. The bees did their thing as I left it there for them to occupy. While doing so I clipped a few branches on the maple so I could get a box up close. I was curious about the queen, wondering if this was the same swarm or if there were two queens. (Ten feet apart.) So I dug into the bivhuac at the densest spot to see if she was in there. I saw a much bigger bee which I guessed to be a queen. Next I positioned the box, bent the tree over an shook hard. About 2/3 of the bees fell into the box and air. I quickly placed it upside down on the sheet, propped up by a rock. But there were still lots of bees on the branch, and after letting the flyers settle a bit they continued to cluster on the tree. I dug in there and saw again a larger bee I thought was the queen. I scooped up a handfull of bees around the queen and stuck them all up inside the box. I let the bees settle until after dark. It got cool and the bees were quiet. With my headlamp I checked up inside and found that most of the bees had moved to the swarm on the ground. I moved both boxes away from the tree where they would be in the shade in the morning. I stayed up till 3:00 am building a Kenya Top Bar Hive. Plans from the internet. It took me most of the next morning to finish all of the top bars and by mid morning today a few bees were clustering on the tree again. At this point there are 3 clusters. One large one, and two small ones. I looked at the swarm on the tree and there is still one of those queen looking bees on there. I put a box over the swarm in the tree and they are up in there now. Three boxes, three swarms. So, here are my questions: Do I have three queens? Should I merge the swarms? Could some of these be queenless swarms? Is there such a thing? Are the bees on the tree just attracted to their old spot? There's bits of wax they might feel invested in. I am considering making some small "nuc" boxes for the other 2 small swarms, good idea? What does "nuc" mean? I have scraped up and picked off as much wax as I could from the tree and boxes. If I drop it in the hive will they use it? From what I know about bees (heresay mainly) they only hive up around a queen, but I just read an article about queenles hives. The big swarm is clustered up in my new KTB Hive with a ziplock baggie of sugar syrup and a little honey. They are munching on it. They seem like they might be home. I hope so since I have worked hard and late to make them feel welcome. So thanks if you read this far, please respond quickly if you can help me with a little advice. I need to move quickly on these two remaining swarms. I don't want to waste any time or stir them up any more than I have to. Thanks very much, Brent Myers Instant Beekeeper myersXnemr.net (change the X to an @) Article 12667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drwawman@aol.com (Dr Wawman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Date: 3 Jun 1998 11:46:31 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1998060311463100.HAA25191@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <6k6ia9$56@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12667 Kent Stienburg wrote in message <3564FE7D.53BD@kingston.net>... >Does anybody have experience with the Buckfast strain. I am thinking of >requeening. Give me your opinions please. > >Thanks Kent I ordered 2 Buckfast random mated queens directly from Buckfast Abbey earlier this year. However, yesterday I received a letter from the Abbey saying that they discovered American Foul Brood in some Buckfast apiaries. As a result, they are withdrawing all queen sales for this year, but hope to start selling next year. As regards price, they were charging 21.50 pounds for each marked, clipped, random mated queen. I will still probably order some for next year though as I have a couple of very aggressive hives that could do with a completely new queen. Article 12668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quick, Help an instant beekeeper, three swarms rich. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <1998060312302000.IAA27295@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jun 1998 12:30:20 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6l2ke4$57t$1@viper.america.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12668 From: "Brenton" >The big swarm is clustered up in my new KTB Hive with a ziplock baggie of
>sugar syrup and a little honey. Congratulations on your sudden riches (in swarms). I've got to go deliver some bees to cucumber fields, so I am unable right now to answer more of your questions. But you seem to be very much on the right track. One thing however, I MUST respond to quickly. Don't feed store bought honey to your bees. That is a sure way to introduce disease spores to your swarms. Just think: honey from ten thousand hives may have been mixed in the tank. All it takes to contaminate it is some honey from one diseased hive. Since it doesn't affect humans, there is not too much concern about this from the packers. But it sure can affect someone who gives it back to bees. Commercial beekeepers rarely feed honey, but when they do, they medicate against disease at the same time. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrtphba6.bnr.ca!brtph500.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books for the total beginner Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:16:41 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 14 Message-ID: <35753EA9.5447@nt.com> References: <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12669 Bob Gercak wrote: > > I'm interested in learning more about beekeeping as a hobby. Would anyone > be kind enough to recommend a book or books for a complete novice interested > in basic very-small-scale beekeeping? I'm particularly interested in the > expense (in time and in money) involved in setting up and maintaining a > hive. Thanks for your anticipated help. Guide to Bees and Honey by Ted Hooper ISBN 0-7137-2244-4 -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrtphba6.bnr.ca!brtph500.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:24:35 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35754083.3F12@nt.com> References: Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12670 Vicky Campbell wrote: > > We are just about to get our first frames of capped honey, is it possible to > extract the honey by drining it, if so can someone suggerst a suitable > vessel. I live in the UK. > Vicky You should join your local beekeeping association, most have equipment that can be borrowed or hired at usually peppercorn rates. Even if they don't have equipment for hire one of the other members will lend you an extractor for a day or two. If you let me know where you live I can get a local contact for you or you could look at the BBKA website http://www.bbka.demon.co.uk/index.htm and follow the link to Member Associations. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:40:26 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 112 Message-ID: <35741CEA.E1662B69@fcbl.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> <6kvuo4$1hq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 896802023 EDOBMGQ.FB02CD018C usenet14.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12671 The wife aint to happy after she got stung above the eye while watering the roses about 50 ft from the hive last week.. The pattern is full and in the middle, shes a laying fool. Had I opened that hive without a suite I probley would be dead. We went to town last evening about 6 hours after opening the hive and there were still some waiting at the door and we got buzzed, still hanging around the smoker. Last night I moved the new hive to the other side of the house. I sure hope they accept the new queen. When I had 40 hives they worked like yours, I had several about 25 ft from the house and nobody ever got stung. Larry George Styer wrote: > Geez Larry, my wife would have a cow! > > As a contrast to your experience, I worked on both of the hives in my 40' x > 40' back yard while 3 kids played and the wife worked about the garden. The > project of the day was Q marking and of course she was in the bottom deep > in both below another deep and 3 supers. Needless to say, I had the things > torn down to the ground. No one was even buzzed. > > Although I initially felt you should give her some more time, sounds like > she has to go. Hopefully someone can give you some tips on quickly finding > a Q in a difficult hive. Does she at least lay a decent pattern? > -- > Geo > "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > > Larry Williard wrote in article > <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net>... > > I bought a buckfast queen to requeen with. Sunday I went out and set up > > another brood box, before I got to the hive I already had 10-20 bees > > buzzing me, Sunny light breeze about 90 degrees about 1pm. I gently > smoked > > > > the entrance then cracked the top to add smoke and was immediately > > besieged by 100's of bees bouncing off my suite and vale. I added 1 gal > of > > > > syrup and closed back up. > > Today I went out to add the new queen. I decided to put 3 frames of > > brood in the new hive body and the rest foundation. Same weather. I > smoked > > > > the entrance and opened the back top and before I could get the smoke up > > to the lid I was again besieged by 100's of bees. I opened the hive > smoked > > > > them and left. I walked around the house 75 feet and went in the garage. > > About 20 minuets later I went back out and they were waiting for me at > the > > > > door. I went back to the hive and took out 3 frames and shook the bees > off > > > > into the old hive and put them in the new hive and added the queen cage. > I > > > > had to leave again as there were many hundreds of bees bouncing off my > > suite and leaving stingers in it and my gloves, Only 2 got through to > > sting me. I again walked around the house long way and went in. 1/2 hour > > later I went back out and there was a trail of bees all the around the > > house, I could see them. I went back to the hive and hastily closed it > > back up leaving out a few frames of foundation. By now there was a cloud > > of bees all around me and the house, I could not get away from them even > > after walking several hundred feet and trying to sneak in the house > > through another door. I brought about 50 in with me. I stayed outside > > about 1/2 hour and just walked to get away from them. Its now been over 1 > > hour and looking out the 2nd story window that overlooks the hive about > 30 > > ft from the house and I see a few bees hanging around the screen. I left > > the smoker by the back door and looking out that window I see about 20 > > bees hanging around it. I used straw (hay) for fuel. Maby they dont like > > that. My house is 50ft long and that door is about 90 ft from the hive on > > the other side of the house. > > Ive had 40 hives and never have I had this much trouble. If they > don't > > have african in them > > then there is something drastically wrong. The single brood box weighs > > about 40-50 lb. now. I dont have any Idea how Im ever going to get to the > > old queen to kill her, I cant stand around the hive that long. Every > frame > > I pick up I get about 200 more bees atacking me. I couldnt even remove > the > > feeder, which since yesterday is empty. > > > > Any Ideas or Comments welcome? > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > Larry WIlliard wrote: > > > > > I started a hive last month from a package. At first the bees were > > > very calm, I could open the hive without gloves or bee suite and add > > > sugar water, now that the 2nd round of brood has hatched they are very > > > aggressive, no way will I open it without bee suite. I suspect its the > > > queen. Should I requeen? > > > Thanks for your help > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > Article 12672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: heinzedjak@aol.com (HeinzeDJAK) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998060314345200.KAA06115@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jun 1998 14:34:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998060311463100.HAA25191@ladder01.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12672 You may already know this, but I think R. Weaver apiaries carry the buckfast strain as well. Here is their site: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Southern Illinois - 190+ Acre Farm Date: 3 Jun 1998 14:40:26 GMT Organization: Adams NetWorks Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd8efc$daae4a00$84ded8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp02-chester.egyptian.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12675 Southern Illinois - 190+ acre farm with 26 acres apples, 20 acres peaches, 2 acres nectarines, 4 acres strawberries, plus hay, row crop and pasture acreage. Includes farm market (annual sales of $250,000+), equipment, two houses, mobile home and support buildings. Approximately 60 miles south of St. Louis. colvis@ns.egyptian.net Article 12676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.150.160.22!newsfeed.wli.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Bees Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:43:09 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: <35757D1D.A4F05EEA@fcbl.net> References: <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 896892369 EDOBMGQ.FB02BD018C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12676 Allen: I think most beekeepers that want to manage 100 hives would not be essay writers. I also think that essays are subjective to the liking of the reader and not fair. Im sure that many beekeepers and others are not articulate just plain folk. I think a random drawing by an independent non related person is more fair. Just my opinion Larry Allen Welk wrote: > I have a friend who currently has more hives than he > want to manage. He is considering offering a raffle > style contest that has been done a few times. > > He is thinking about offering a a chance to win 100 > hives for $250USD. The entrant would pay the fee and > have to write a short essay on why they want to keep > bees. The winner would be chosen by the quality of the > esay that they write. > > I see problems with this, but it has worked before for > houses, cars and other items so who knows. > > He dosen't have internet access so he asked me to > through this out for feelers....... > > Anyone have input? good or bad, Pro of Con. > > Thanks, Al Article 12677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!falcon!viper.america.net!not-for-mail From: "Brenton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Foundation questions from a new TBH beekeeper. Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:32:43 -0500 Organization: Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6l40eu$9gr$1@viper.america.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: max4-15.nemr.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12677 Will this work? I have always wanted to have bees, yesterday I got my chance. Moving quickly to capture a swarm, I made a Kenya Top Bar Hive. I live in a small town and the only beeswax I could obtain were two small patties from a sewing supply store. Not enough to make foundation. I searched the net and found some information about simply creating a ridge the bees would orient to. I digested the information and moving quickly I sawed grooves in the top bars. In the grooves I hot-glued cardboard strips to which I applied wax by vigourously rubbing it on as thickly as I could. I am worried that the cardboard is too thick 1/8". What do you think? The bees are in the hive now, and time will tell if they are being cooperative. I am considering traveling to find some beeswax to do the job right and replace the setup I have going. I will definitely do so if they are cross combing. What are my chances here? Thanks for reading, Brent - Instant beekeeper. Article 12678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!falcon!viper.america.net!not-for-mail From: "Brenton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Instant beekeeper thanks the group. Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:12:36 -0500 Organization: Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6l3v96$8hm$1@viper.america.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: max4-15.nemr.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12678 Special thanks to: Jerome Marot-lassauzaie Dave Green Jim Owen The internet is an amazing phenomenon. This newsgroup is representative of the high quality people of the many special intrest groups of proffesionals and hobbyists who always seem interested in helping someone with questions. The immediate responses of the above people helped me move quickly before a storm came through this morning. I was worried that the boxes of bees would be disturbed by the heavy weather that is going through right now. I merged my swarms, and have them sealed up in the shed while they decide if they have more than one queen. I still have questions as to why there were two and then three distinctive bunches of bees. I will post another question seperately. Thank you all, Brenton Article 12679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books for the total beginner Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:13:58 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com> <35753EA9.5447@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 896902417 nnrp-09:24770 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqpHafM04oxRbos> Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12679 In article <35753EA9.5447@nt.com>, Adrian Kyte writes >Guide to Bees and Honey by Ted Hooper ISBN 0-7137-2244-4 Thats the UK edition. The US edition is ISBN 0-8137-328-8 So it depends on where Bob Gercak lives I reckon. -- Tom Speight Article 12680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Bees Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:30:32 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6eIonLAYRad1EwCC@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> References: <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 896902418 nnrp-09:24770 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqpHafM04oxRbos> Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12680 In article <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net>, Allen Welk writes >He is thinking about offering a a chance to win 100 >hives for $250USD. Who pays carriage?? -- Tom Article 12681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Bees Date: 3 Jun 1998 18:27:17 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6l44i5$k7j@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.105 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12681 So, how exactly does $250USD translate to free? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Allen Welk wrote in article <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net>... > I have a friend who currently has more hives than he > want to manage. He is considering offering a raffle > style contest that has been done a few times. > > He is thinking about offering a a chance to win 100 > hives for $250USD. The entrant would pay the fee and > have to write a short essay on why they want to keep > bees. The winner would be chosen by the quality of the > esay that they write. > > I see problems with this, but it has worked before for > houses, cars and other items so who knows. > > He dosen't have internet access so he asked me to > through this out for feelers....... > > Anyone have input? good or bad, Pro of Con. > > Thanks, Al > Article 12682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!131.96.1.11.MISMATCH!tattler!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: James D Satterfield Subject: Re: Foundation questions from a new TBH beekeeper. In-Reply-To: <6l40eu$9gr$1@viper.america.net> Message-ID: References: <6l40eu$9gr$1@viper.america.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 34 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 18:50:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.1.18 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 14:50:13 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12682 On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Brenton wrote: > Will this work? > > I have always wanted to have bees, yesterday I got my chance. Moving > quickly to capture a swarm, I made a Kenya Top Bar Hive. I live in a small > town and the only beeswax I could obtain were two small patties from a > sewing supply store. Not enough to make foundation. > Check out the tbh website at http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm I have used foundation starter strips made from brown paper grocery bags that have been dipped in beeswax. Cordially yours, Jim James D. Satterfield Canton is about 40 mi/64 km 258 Ridge Pine Drive north of Atlanta, Georgia USA Canton GA 30114 USA 34.24N, 084.47W (770) 479-4784 TBH Beekeeping: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Mother Crochets: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/mom/crochet.htm Old Jim's Fowl Page: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/fowl/fowl.htm Article 12683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: "W J King" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: British Modified National Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:22:13 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6l4bkn$ci$1@heliodor.xara.net> References: <6ki126$h1r$1@news1.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.126.84.217 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12683 Hi, The modified National is the most widely used hive in the UK Bjørn Andresen wrote in message <6ki126$h1r$1@news1.tele.dk>... >Hello, The modified is the most widely used hive in the UK. Arguably, its brood box is too small, accommodating only 11 BS frames. Plans are available from British Beekeepers Association (they have a web site), or bee book sellers; also IBRA and BIBBA. aA similar sized hive (in plan view) is the 'commercial', only a few milimetres difference, but deeper, and 'national' supers, q excluders, etc can be used. Sorry I don't have immediately available www site addresses. Bill. > >I would like to build my own Modified National Beehive. Can anybody tell me >where I can find the right measurements and eventually plans for this type >of hive? > >Thanks a lot for your help guys...great discussion list. > >Bjorn > > Article 12684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net> <6l44i5$k7j@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Free Bees Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:29:04 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3575cfd1.1@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12684 George Styer wrote in message <6l44i5$k7j@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>... >So, how exactly does $250USD translate to free? >-- >Geo .....and wherever you are, have you checked that this kind of lottery (gambling!) is legal? -- JAF jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk Fir'yfarsanfevversonafrushesfroat. "God doesn't work at the BBC anymore.. He left after Noel Edmonds joined" Article 12685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!uwm.edu!chicago-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.106.34!avalon.net!not-for-mail From: "parker-simkin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Bees Date: 3 Jun 1998 23:33:34 GMT Organization: Avalon Networks Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <01bd8f47$6b03c0e0$942030c0@parkin.avalon.net> References: <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net> <6l44i5$k7j@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: x2-48.ic.avalon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12685 My favorite way to get free bees is to leave an old hive body with a few used frames in it to wait for a swarm to set up shop. Last year I had three in my garage alone where I keep my stuff, and this year only 1 so far, but the spring has been too wet for good population growth. George Styer wrote in article <6l44i5$k7j@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>... > So, how exactly does $250USD translate to free? > -- > Geo > "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > > > Allen Welk wrote in article <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net>... > > I have a friend who currently has more hives than he > > want to manage. He is considering offering a raffle > > style contest that has been done a few times. > > > > He is thinking about offering a a chance to win 100 > > hives for $250USD. The entrant would pay the fee and > > have to write a short essay on why they want to keep > > bees. The winner would be chosen by the quality of the > > esay that they write. > > > > I see problems with this, but it has worked before for > > houses, cars and other items so who knows. > > > > He dosen't have internet access so he asked me to > > through this out for feelers....... > > > > Anyone have input? good or bad, Pro of Con. > > > > Thanks, Al > > > Article 12686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6l40eu$9gr$1@viper.america.net> Subject: Re: Foundation questions from a new TBH beekeeper. Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:32:09 +0100 Lines: 46 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3575cfd3.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12686 Brenton wrote in message <6l40eu$9gr$1@viper.america.net>... >Will this work? > >I have always wanted to have bees, yesterday I got my chance. Moving >quickly to capture a swarm, I made a Kenya Top Bar Hive. I live in a small >town and the only beeswax I could obtain were two small patties from a >sewing supply store. Not enough to make foundation. > >I searched the net and found some information about simply creating a ridge >the bees would orient to. I digested the information and moving quickly I >sawed grooves in the top bars. In the grooves I hot-glued cardboard strips >to which I applied wax by vigourously rubbing it on as thickly as I could. > >I am worried that the cardboard is too thick 1/8". What do you think? > >The bees are in the hive now, and time will tell if they are being >cooperative. I am considering traveling to find some beeswax to do the job >right and replace the setup I have going. I will definitely do so if they >are cross combing. > >What are my chances here? > >Thanks for reading, >Brent - Instant beekeeper. > > Because of the absorbency of the card, which may be low, but is still likely to exist, you probably have a stronger join/adhesion than wax alone. If they build on it, then you'll be able to tell this newsgroup, "look at the new economical method I've found!" -- JAF jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk Fir'yfarsanfevversonafrushesfroat. "God doesn't work at the BBC anymore.. He left after Noel Edmonds joined" Article 12687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com> <35753EA9.5447@nt.com> Subject: Re: Books for the total beginner Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:35:21 +0100 Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3575cfd4.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12687 Tom Speight wrote in message ... >In article <35753EA9.5447@nt.com>, Adrian Kyte >writes >>Guide to Bees and Honey by Ted Hooper ISBN 0-7137-2244-4 >Thats the UK edition. The US edition is ISBN 0-8137-328-8 >So it depends on where Bob Gercak lives I reckon. >-- >Tom Speight My recommendation is "Bees at the Bottom of the Garden" by Alan Campion. Unfortunately out of print, but a library may help, or a book search company. there are a lot on the net (search 'books'). This doesn't mean I find any other recommendations less valid, just nostlalgia, 'coz it's the one I started with! Which signifies absolutely nothing, of any import! -- JAF jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk Fir'yfarsanfevversonafrushesfroat. "God doesn't work at the BBC anymore.. He left after Noel Edmonds joined" Article 12688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: danny a bolton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Bees Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 18:16:26 -0600 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3575E759.F44A8365@ix.netcom.com> References: <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net> <6eIonLAYRad1EwCC@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: sfe-nm4-15.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jun 03 7:16:23 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12688 How far away are they? Tom Speight wrote: > In article <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net>, Allen Welk > writes > >He is thinking about offering a a chance to win 100 > >hives for $250USD. > Who pays carriage?? > -- > Tom Article 12689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: gwest7t@galstar.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yorks Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:02:46 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 10 Message-ID: <35760046.2192@galstar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: star0907.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12689 On 6-2-1998 in Neosho, Mo. a beekeeper had a story to tell. It all started when he ordered 2 queens ($42.00 total price) from York Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. When they arrived 1 was dead. He called the folks at York Bee Co. and told them one queen arrived dead. He was told the only way they would replace the queen is if he paid for it, another $21.00. This is a bad way to conduct business. Has anyone had a event like this happen? Please post the information. gw Article 12690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yorks Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998060403152700.XAA27175@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jun 1998 03:15:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35760046.2192@galstar.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12690 I have dealt with the York bee company with excellent results. I ordered a queen that turned out to be a drone layer. I contacted York, which provided a replacement that arrived dead. Contacted them again and they sent another one. Yes, I paid for express shipping on the last one. But, they never questioned my integrity over the losses and I did not pay any additional purchase fees. I am a little miffed that of all the queens I've needed to order from them. Two have been drone layers. At the most inopportuned time. But I figure it happens now and then. It could even be the wonderful handling skills of the United States (government) post office. Who knows. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) Article 12691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books for the total beginner Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 03:50:00 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6l55co$eko$1@lasierra.pe.net> References: <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com> <6l0r03$eva$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp09.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12691 In article <6l0r03$eva$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com>, >Bob Gercak wrote: >>I'm interested in learning more about beekeeping as a hobby. Would anyone >>be kind enough to recommend a book or books for a complete novice interested >>in basic very-small-scale beekeeping? I'm particularly interested in the >>expense (in time and in money) involved in setting up and maintaining a >>hive. Thanks for your anticipated help. > I think you should try top bar hives. These are the easiert to maintain (the small bee spaces in the typical langstroth frames can fill up fast and then you have to hustle to extract or your colony will swarm when they run out of room). They are also cheap to set up, like about 10 bucks can cover all you would need to get the hive ready for them. You can also get real top quality fine honeycomb out of a top bar hive. \ Article 12692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation questions from a new TBH beekeeper. Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:02:05 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6l563d$eko$2@lasierra.pe.net> References: <6l40eu$9gr$1@viper.america.net> <3575cfd3.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp09.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12692 Cool, man, cool! That is really ambitious. It looks to me like you seen your duty and you done it! Congratulations. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. I'll bet that your bees have already drawn lots of comb down from your top bars. Tell us more about your hive body. Is it a box or did you use some other kind of container? Did you follow the recommended width for the top bars? Did you get the queen along with your swarm? That will be the acid test, to check it out later and see if she is in there. I would let the hive sit for a week before you opened it to check it out. Don't forget to feed the little buggers! Pete A. In article <3 >I am worried that the cardboard is too thick 1/8". What do you think? >> >>The bees are in the hive now, and time will tell if they are being >>cooperative. I am considering traveling to find some beeswax to do the >job >>right and replace the setup I have going. I will definitely do so if >they >>are cross combing. >> >>What are my chances here? >> >>Thanks for reading, >>Brent - Instant beekeeper. >> >> >Because of the absorbency of the card, which may be low, but is still >likely to exist, you probably have a stronger join/adhesion than wax >alone. If they build on it, then you'll be able to tell this newsgroup, >"look at the new economical method I've found!" Article 12693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: huskers@olywa.net (Jason Henning) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Bees Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:19:13 GMT Message-ID: <35760f60.15635705@news.olywa.net> References: <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: bart5.olywa.net Lines: 10 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!205.163.58.3!poobah.olywa.net!bart5.olywa.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12693 Allen Welk wrote: + He is thinking about offering a a chance to win 100 + hives for $250USD. The entrant would pay the fee and + have to write a short essay on why they want to keep + bees. The winner would be chosen by the quality of the + esay that they write. Sort of a Paradise Grill crossed with Ullie's Gold. Article 12694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yorks Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 12:16:55 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 42 Message-ID: <6l637n$qp3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35760046.2192@galstar.com> <1998060403152700.XAA27175@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.38 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 04 12:16:55 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12694 In article <1998060403152700.XAA27175@ladder03.news.aol.com>, hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) wrote: > > I have dealt with the York bee company with excellent results. I ordered a > queen that turned out to be a drone layer. I contacted York, which provided a > replacement that arrived dead. Contacted them again and they sent another one. > Yes, I paid for express shipping on the last one. But, they never questioned > my integrity over the losses and I did not pay any additional purchase fees. > I am a little miffed that of all the queens I've needed to order from them. > Two have been drone layers. At the most inopportuned time. But I figure it > happens now and then. It could even be the wonderful handling skills of the > United States (government) post office. Who knows. > You are correct in your assessment that "it happens now and then" to EVERY queen producer. Odds of a drone layer are about 1,000 to 1 - so if queens are being "cranked out" as soon as they lay (before capped brood exists from them) then you will get some drone layers being unintentionally sent to customers. Only way to truly avoid that particular drone layer dilema is to wait longer before you pick queens to ship but economics generally prohibit that choice for many. The post office would probably have to really chill the queen to cause the trouble and have her arrive alive - I had a queen I revived from chill coma (looked dead when found in what I believed was a "starved out colony" due to my at that time Bee-ginner status - I had left on plenty of honey but had new white comb (had been full of open honey earlier) between the darker brood comb and the capped honey - come Jan they quit moving up to honey and instead moved down to the used brood comb seperating themselves from their food) and she started out after being revived laying a good worker brood pattern - in about a month she turned drone layer - likely due to chill-killed sperm forming rings in the spermatheca and clogging her up making it impossible for her to lay truly fertile worker eggs. Jack Griffes http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!198.206.134.41!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: Ed Mabesoone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Date: 4 Jun 1998 14:46:29 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6l6c05$oeu$1@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: brkfl2-122.gate.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12695 drwawman@aol.com (Dr Wawman) writes: > Kent Stienburg wrote in message <3564FE7D.53BD@kingston.net>... > >Does anybody have experience with the Buckfast strain. I am thinking of > >requeening. Give me your opinions please. > > > >Thanks Kent > > > I ordered 2 Buckfast random mated queens directly from Buckfast Abbey earlier > this year. However, yesterday I received a letter from the Abbey saying that > they discovered American Foul Brood in some Buckfast apiaries. As a result, > they are withdrawing all queen sales for this year, but hope to start selling > next year. > > As regards price, they were charging 21.50 pounds for each marked, clipped, > random mated queen. > > I will still probably order some for next year though as I have a couple of > very aggressive hives that could do with a completely new queen. > > > I have been using Buckfast for the last six years and have been quite impressed with an increase in honey production, particularly early in the season, propolis and burr comb have not been a problem and they are extremely gentle bees. They do have a habit of all moving to and clinging on the outside of the hive during an inspection and I have found that I need to requeen more often with the buckfast. If I can give you any more info contact me at apism@gate.net Ed Article 12696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yorks Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. Date: 4 Jun 1998 13:31:08 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6l67is$gdp$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <35760046.2192@galstar.com> <1998060403152700.XAA27175@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-3.sl051.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12696 In article <1998060403152700.XAA27175@ladder03.news.aol.com>, hdsearcher@aol.com says... > >I have dealt with the York bee company with excellent results. I ordered a >queen that turned out to be a drone layer. I contacted York, which provided a >replacement that arrived dead. Contacted them again and they sent another one. York Bee is noted as a supplier of Starline and Midnite hybrids and does a huge volume of business. I have never heard (please correct me) of them or anyone else shipping a laying queen. I shudder to think how much more this would cost. Is it not true that the queen one gets is a virgin who must make a mating flight once installed as the new queen of the hive. If she turns out to be a drone layer it would seem that the mating flight was not entirely successful. If such is the case ????? it would seem that the drone laying problem is not really the responsibility of the supplier of the virgin queen. Article 12750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ist. Sperim.Viticoltura" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AMPELOGRAPHIE Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:45:15 +0200 Organization: Centro Servizi Interbusiness Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6l8i7q$ro6$1@server-b.cs.interbusiness.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: oblo-line2.media.it X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.pn.com!nntp.pn.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12750 AMPELOGRAPHIE V COURS INTERNATIONAL 5-9 OCTOBRE 1998 www.inea.it/isv/isv.html Article 12751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wli.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mountain Bee Products - South Africa Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:56:15 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6lbsug$834$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-94.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12751 Take a look at our fantastic range of Protective Garments for you the Beekeeper. Get back to us for prices and more details ROBIN J MOUNTAIN begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO From: Wayne Hunsucker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buying Honey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 17:20:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: usr4-dialup60.atlanta.mci.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:20:38 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12752 Hi Everybody! I am interested in buying honey from around the country. Especially interested in raw honey, fresh from the hive. I have a particular interest in various flavors. If you have honey for sale, contact me. Let's talk. Article 12753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying Honey Date: 7 Jun 1998 01:31:53 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1998060701315300.VAA10082@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <357979DC.19D88CB@MCIONE.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12753 In article <357979DC.19D88CB@MCIONE.com>, Wayne Hunsucker writes: >I am interested in buying honey from around the country. Especially >interested in raw honey, fresh from the hive. I have a particular >interest in various flavors. Check Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop at http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm You can get several different Carolina honeys, as well as honey from Texas, Arizona, Florida, and New York. It's early in the season, so only the Florida orange, and the SC tupelo are new honey, but there will be additional varieties as the season progresses. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3576E49B.3D19@memach.com> <1998060502512300.WAA26235@ladder01.news.aol.com> <3577b3ff.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Subject: Re: Bees and Upcoming Storms Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:02:59 +0100 Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-28.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <357a820b.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-28.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12754 JAF wrote in message <3577b3ff.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... A Retraction! I was always taught that bees/hives should not be kept under or in the vicinity of Electric Power lines, as the 'field' made the bees 'edgy'. I have recieved an e-mail, which, to me, at least, is conclusive evidence that this is not the case! I apologise if I mislead anybody, and thanks to Murray McGregor! Learning All the time! -- KJ@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk 'Smibatnmybolnimgoinome Article 12755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!169.132.11.200!news.idt.net!newsgate.swbell.net!151.164.30.35.MISMATCH!cyclone.swbell.net!swbell!not-for-mail From: Jim Owen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 09:39:19 -0500 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 21 Message-ID: <357AA617.1F366E99@swbell.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> <6kvuo4$1hq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35741CEA.E1662B69@fcbl.net> Reply-To: jimowen@swbell.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-151-164-48-42.rcsntx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: (null) 897230537 28858 (None) 151.164.48.42 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp3 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) To: Larry Williard Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12755 I agree with everything that the group has said. Another recent observation may be worth considering also... Do you or your wife use any insect repellant? My wife has seldom been "buzzed", even though she's routinely working in the garden about 10 ft from my 7 hives. We've got "chiggers" (if you don't know what they are, count your blessings!) and she tried a new insect repellent "Cutters Sensation". Well, she got to the garden, was there no more than 3 minutes, and was zapped with no other warning. I believe the "new, improved" fragrance of the repellant offends the bees. (Just a guess though) Jim Owen Larry Williard wrote: > The wife aint to happy after she got stung above the eye while watering the > roses about 50 ft from the hive last week.. Article 12756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!news.xnet.com!chicago-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mcs.net!ddsw1!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!ultra.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: Len Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question: Distance from Hives Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 08:23:43 -0700 Organization: Sonic,Santa Rosa CA,http://www.sonic.net Lines: 9 Message-ID: <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d113.pm3.sonic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12756 How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to to live comfortably? Not even new (haven't gotten the hives yet, but planning) and there is some concern in my family about distance to hive(s) for gardening, BBQ, etc. Live in semi-rural area, one acre for us and similar housing in pasture-like setting) but family members are afraid of stings. And don't want to alarm other homes around me. So, how far? TIA Article 12757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying Honey Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998060715361900.LAA29676@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jun 1998 15:36:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998060701315300.VAA10082@ladder01.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12757 > You can get several different Carolina honeys, as well as honey from >Texas,
>Arizona, Florida, and New York. It's early in the season, so only the >Florida
>orange, and the SC tupelo are new honey, first 500 lbs of CT wildflower is off the hives- mostly because I am returning the wet combs for a refill as I only have yet to amass great quantities of drawn comb. Article 12758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Date: 7 Jun 1998 16:10:35 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6lee1r$q14@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.102.128 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12758 Here is my case: 40' x 40' backyard lot in urban area that gets a lot of use, 2 kids that play in the yard a lot, 1 wife, 2 hives, only stings so far (other than myself) are from bare feet, it's been 5 years. Given the right temperament, they could care less about the presence of humans. OTOH, check out the "agressive bees requeen" thread. But don't let it scare you away. I am sure Larry will update us in a couple of months hailing the virtues of the Buckfast descendants ;-) -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Len wrote in article <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net>... > How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to > to live comfortably? > > Not even new (haven't gotten the hives yet, but planning) and there is > some concern in my family about distance to hive(s) for gardening, BBQ, > etc. Live in semi-rural area, one acre for us and similar housing in > pasture-like setting) but family members are afraid of stings. And don't > want to alarm other homes around me. So, how far? > TIA > Article 12759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1998060716235500.MAA08479@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jun 1998 16:23:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12759 With the right bee's and family education. You can have a bee hive at the front door of your house if you so desired. I live in very close family (military) quarters. I have two hives located on my back porch. Neigbors on both sides are educated about the bees and even came out to watch the one swarm that I had this year. They were placed there for my son to observe while pursuing his merit badge. They ended up staying in the same location because they are so much fun to watch and are very gentle. I have two sons, two very big dogs, and a swimming pool that share the same location. So far, I have been the only one thats gotten stung, and that was while working the bees. No smoker, no gloves, no veil. I got in a little bit of a hurry and made a mistake, and got stung. My back door is less than 8 ft from the hives. Hope this helps answer the question. The breed you ask? Midnites from the York Bee Company. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) Article 12760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Repost: Attention all Wisconsin Beekeepers Lines: 34 Message-ID: <1998060716585400.MAA07692@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jun 1998 16:58:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12760 Hi Again! Thank you for all of the responses which I received from the first posting of the Wisconsin Pollination Survey. The print version of the survey will be printed in the next edition of the "Wisconsin Badger Bee." In case you do not receive this publication, we are still looking for your input if you pollinate crops in Wisconsin, or know of someone else on-line who does, please forward them this request. ;o) The survey is VERY simple and will only take a few minutes to fill out. All that we need to know is: (please list each crop individually) 1. The crop(s) which you pollinate -Total dollars (cost per colony per crop) -Total colonies per crop -Acres for each crop. VERY Hypothetical Example: Crop: Brown Ox Eye Daisy -$320 total dollars, $80 per colony -4 colonies -2 acres This survey is being sponsored by the Wisconsin Honey Producers Association. Results of the survey will be published approximately one to two months after the survey is published in the Wisconsin Badger Bee. All identifiable information will be kept confidential. Thank you for your time in filling out the survey. ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! Article 12761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: George Imirie's articles Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 13:09:21 -0400 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.237 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.237 Message-ID: <357ac921.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.237 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12761 Greetings! George Imirie's latest articles: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ 1)Getting most nectar capped 2)four methods of removing honey 3)extracting procedures and tricks 4)cleaning extracted frames 5)storing drawn comb until next year These articles are LONG and quite extensive!!..adjust your fonts/browsers..get a cup of java/tea/soda pop..enjoy and learn! Thanks,George/Ann!!..for I was blind and NOW I CAN SEE!! Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 12762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mountain Bee Products - South Africa Date: 7 Jun 1998 23:49:15 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6lf8tr$2s3$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6lbsug$834$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-9.sl002.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12762 In article <6lbsug$834$1@news01.iafrica.com>, mountbee@iafrica.com says... > >Take a look at our fantastic range of Protective Garments for you the >Beekeeper. > >Get back to us for prices and more details > >ROBIN J MOUNTAIN > > >begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url >M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAOM+T),0B]"965K965P:6YG+VUO=6YT86EN+FAT;6P-"DUO9&EF:65D/4,P0S)# >/,#8R,48X1D)$,#$Q, T* >` I could not read this. The correct URL is: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/mountain.html. Most interesting! This site features equipment designed to work the African "killer bee." What has become of the "killer bee" "problem?" The media seems to have lost interest. How far into North America have they reached? Are they hybridizing? How are they affected by varroa and tracheal mites? Article 12763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Date: 8 Jun 1998 00:05:42 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6lf9sm$2s3$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-9.sl002.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12763 In article <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net>, len@sonic.net says... > >How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to >to live comfortably? > >Not even new (haven't gotten the hives yet, but planning) and there is >some concern in my family about distance to hive(s) for gardening, BBQ, >etc. Live in semi-rural area, one acre for us and similar housing in >pasture-like setting) but family members are afraid of stings. And don't >want to alarm other homes around me. So, how far? >TIA You have replies that indicate you could have the hive in VERY close proximity to family activities. Though such is possible, don't do it. On the other hand don't worry. If you have an acre you are in good shape. Position your hive so that the earliest sun of the day hits the opening. That will get the bees started earlier and make more honey and it will tend to establish a flight path which really should not include your picnic table and grill. If you are going to run the mower within six feet of the front of the hive on the middle of a sunny day you should act quickly. If you have a neighbor that hangs white things on a line the flight path should not pass over those white things as the bees deficate in flight and could produce some interesting specs on the sheets. Midnights would be a good idea if you have anyone who is allergic to bee stings. Generally speaking, I would say that anything outside a 25 foot circle about the hive is as safe as a mile. In the wrong kind of weather anything inside a 10 foot circle is liable to stings however rare and midnites are no exception. Article 12764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan Effectiveness Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 00:11:21 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust61.tnt1.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12764 Recent experiments by researchers at the Weslaco Honey Bee Research Unit (Dr.Frank Eischen and others, U.S. Department of Agriculture) provides insights on two aspects of Apistan's effectiveness that have been discussed on this newsgroup in months past: (1) the relative effectiveness of the old "Section 18" strips and (2) whether scratching the surface of Apistan strips increases their mite kills. 1. Relative effectiveness of the current Apistan versus 10-year old "Section 18" strips in controlling varroa mites: In an experimental 24 hour treatment, the following mite kill resulted: Apistan Section 18 (1 strip/colony): 1924 Apistan (current U.S., 2 strips/colony): 1355 Apistan from Europe (1 strip/colony): 678 Untreated control: 150 This suggests that the old Section 18 strips were, indeed, more effective in killing varroa mites. 2. Whether stratching/abrading the surface of Apistan strips increases its effectiveness in killing varroa mites: In an experiment, Apistan strips were either scratched on one side or both sides, and compared to unscratched control strips. The researchers found that unscratched Apistan controlled about 17% of varroa in the Florida test colonies, whereas one-side scratched Apistan controlled slightly more and double-side scratched killed twice the number of mites that the unscratched Apistan did. It was hypothesized that the increased mite control resulted from increasing the surface area on the Apistan strips. These experimental results were informally described in the Texas Beekeepers Association's Journal (May/June, 1998). Sample sizes of some of the treatments were not described. Regards, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 12765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Date: 8 Jun 1998 17:49:56 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6lh884$mer@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <6lf9sm$2s3$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12765 In a previous article, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) says: >In article <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net>, len@sonic.net says... >>How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to >>to live comfortably? >You have replies that indicate you could have the hive in VERY close proximity >to family activities. Though such is possible, don't do it. On the other hand >don't worry. If you have an acre you are in good shape. Much smaller lots can provide safe and neighbor friendly sites. In addition to all the help you've received here, be sure to check with your local government to be sure you're in compliance with its rules. (In Portland, for example, the hives must be at least 25' from any residential building and 50 feet from any public road or sidewalk.) _If_ someone should be injured by your bees (unlikely) and it is found they are not sited in accordance with local ordinances, you're much more likely to be found liable than you would be if you've sited your bees with proper clearances, etc. -- Article 12766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!elrnd1.el.dow.com!165.216.8.37 From: "Lisa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey in cappings Date: 8 Jun 98 13:52:52 GMT Organization: DowElanco Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bd930e$a35dca60$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> References: <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: elinet1.dowagro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12766 The best way I know is to run the honey and cappings through a seive covered with cheese cloth. This will go much faster if you can find a warm place (80-90 degrees). You can do it at room temperature but I will take longer. Be patient HNNutt wrote in article <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >With little or no equipment and less > knowledge, what's the easiest and quickest way to seperate the honey? Article 12767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation hive Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:53:17 +0100 Organization: at home Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6l80q4$9go$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 897332046 nnrp-05:19187 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 73 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12767 In article <6l80q4$9go$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz>, bates writes >Hi all, > I am planning to construct an all-glass observation hive and wonder if >anyone has done this or has advice or comments for me before I start. >I intend to build it like an all glass aquarium, using silicone to >glue the pieces together. I am going to make it a top bar hive so the >view of the combs/bees is not obstructed by frames. Hi Frank, I have just completed such a hive 3 weeks ago !. I have not had a chance to load it yet. I have built several ob hives but this one being all glass is just designed for 1-2 day exhibition use. If I say so myself an all glass hive does look stunning. I have chosen a 3 brood frame configuration as I have had some success with that lay out. >Will the bees be OK in this very light environment, as opposed to the >darkness they would normally live in in an enclosed colony? (I have >seen pictures of colonies established in the open air, attached to >branches etc so dont expect this to be too much of a problem). No problem they get used to it very quickly, but any entrance piping works best if it is opaque as they naturally will head for the light at the end of the pipe and clear pipe is confusing. >Will the bees attempt to cover the inside walls of this hive with >wax/propolis? How would I be able to clean any wax/propolis buildup >from the glass? They will propolise any cracks quickly but the main veiwing area will keep clear if you get the bee space right. They will tend to build brace comb on to the glass with time but its no real problem. Consider carefully how the hive will come apart. A book type design can be difficult to load. I prefer a sub frame holding the comb inserted from above. A backup way of stripping down is useful if brace comb gums sliding parts up. It is difficult to describe my new glass hive but any frame can be insert from either side through hinging panels. Wax and propolis can be removed with hot water/ soap and wire wool when empty naturally. Good Luck Graham Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z .. Z .. ( \ Z / ) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ ! /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Logggie Baird 1928 :-\ Article 12768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.corp.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9mm cell and varroa Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:02:38 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 48 Message-ID: <6lhjhe$vh9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3577F727.96472D7A@csi.com> <357C0096.4482@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.15 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 08 21:02:38 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12768 In article <357C0096.4482@nt.com>, adrian.kyte@nt.com wrote: > > Carl J. Rock wrote: > snip > > and the cell size of the Pierco was 5.2mm. The discussion progressed to > > varroa and smaller brood cell. > > > > I had read an article a few weeks ago that mentioned smaller cells > > were somehow linked to effect varroa population but included neither > > data nor conclusion. The supplier offered further information that > > seems plausible. > > > > What he had read was a study on varroa resistant bees somewhere in > > Russia was concluding a smaller brood cell size, 4.9mm nominal, seemed > > key and apparently what happens is the smaller bee matures a day or more > > sooner disrupting the varroa cycle. > snip > > The easter honey bee (apis cerana) develped alongside of varroa and > co-exists because the bees gromm each other, damaging the varroa mites > in the process and crucially spend a shorter time in the form of brood. > This latter trait results in less varroa produced during each brood > cycle, our honey bee (apis mellifera) developed independant of varroa so > does not naturally have any defences against it. I don't know whether > apis cerana has smaller cell size than apis mellifera and I doubt that > the bees would build smaller cells for brood just because the > impressions start off smaller, they do after all modify standard cell > size impressions to produce drone brood if they want drones. Word on the grapevine here in the USA has it that some commercial beekeeper(s) in the SW are switching over to smaller foundation size COMPLETELY after playing with it a bit (no small task). The claim is that it is initially quite hard to get bees to properly work the smaller cell size (especially if they can choose another size - I believe it was plastic foundation to prevent remaking of the cell base) but once they get it drawn properly the claim is that the resultant "smaller" bees somehow keep Varroa population in check. This is grapevine info ONLY and should not be construed as tested info which it ain't. This was third hand info - so it may not be worth the time it took to type it BUT it did catch my ear when I heard it and it might be worth checking into further. Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail.com -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 04:21:38 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6lid4c$feh$1@lasierra.pe.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> <6kvuo4$1hq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35741CEA.E1662B69@fcbl.net> <357AA617.1F366E99@swbell.net> <357B5703.836FF16@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp36.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12769 In article < I didn't hear anything so I tapped, and I do mean I just tapped the top > of the >hive with my finger and they started buzzing and pouring out of the hive at me. I would say it is time for the soapy water for these little buggers. Article 12770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.3.65.3!news.indy.net!not-for-mail From: Mary Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Upcoming Storms Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 00:45:39 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 25 Message-ID: <357B3433.2DE0@indy.net> References: <3576E49B.3D19@memach.com> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip91-82.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12770 Linda Campbell wrote: > > Just a quick question. Are bees usually edgy when the weather is about > to get bad? We are first year beekeepers and my husband has been stung > twice. Both times from the same hive and both times it was late in the > afternoon and the weather was turning bad - it stormed within the hour. > > A fascinated beginner, > > Linda Campbell > Suffolk, VA > On the perimeter of the Great Dismal Swamp Well, Me and my wife are first year beekeepers too. I have been stung twice and my wife has been stung once. A bee managed to find a seam in my glove and the second time A bee managed to get under my shirt and was irritated when I squized her. My wife was lazy and wore not her normal be clothing and one crawled up her pant legs and it stung her when she suized it. (It was a painful place and we will leave it at that:->} We have noticed that they do not like cloudy days nor to be bothered LATE in the afternoon. WE are having fun! Tobi Article 12771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com> <4PW0CGAXgAf1EwTP@emph.com> Subject: Re: Honey in cappings Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:34:00 +0100 Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <357c17e9.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12771 Alyn Ashworth wrote in message <4PW0CGAXgAf1EwTP@emph.com>... >In article <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com>, HNNutt > writes >>Another dumb begginer question. I extracted yesterday and ended up with a 5 >>gallon bucket about 3/4 full of cappings with honey mixed in. There appears to >>be several quarts of honey in this stuff. With little or no equipment and less >>knowledge, what's the easiest and quickest way to seperate the honey? > >You could wash through in the minimum possible amount of water, then >make some mead from the result, topping-up if necessary with water or >honey. > >-- >Alyn Ashworth Press, through cloth, as in a wine press. It's how I extract from one hive, and return the cappings, etc. to the bees to clean up (for a single hive!). You shouldn't let honey from one hive, into another, of course, in case of infection. -- KJ@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk 'Smibatnmybolnimgoinome Article 12772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Date: 8 Jun 1998 16:51:12 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 43 Message-ID: <6lh4q0$30r@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net> <6lflah$af@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <357C03C1.9D3@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12772 But my question was: Is there research that tested the effectiveness of reusing strips? Can you direct me to it? Is the statement "Re-using strips is one of the most effective ways of helping varroa become resistant to their active ingredient" opinion or fact? BTW, when you only have a 2 or 3 hives and have to buy strips in a minimum qty of 10, the cost is not insignificant. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Adrian Kyte wrote in article <357C03C1.9D3@nt.com>... > George Styer wrote: > > > > Anyone know of any research that tested the effectiveness of reusing strips > > for a 2nd and possibly a 3rd treatment? I believe they are intended to be > > used only once but I have been told by some beekeepers that if you roughen > > them up with a wire brush, you can reuse them a couple of times, although I > > thought this brushing was to remove wax. > > Compare the cost of treating a hive with new Apistan (Bayvoral here in > the UK) with the price of 1Lb honey and the cost of buying a colony of > bees. Re-using strips is one of the most effective ways of helping > varroa become resistant to their active ingredient and at the moment > there is no alternate proven treatment that comes close being as > effective. > Don't re-use strips, in the UK we have an expression that sort of fits > "Don't spoil a ship for a hapeth of tar" (hapeth is old currency worth > half a penny). > > -- > Regards Adrian :-{)} > I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. > All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. > work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com > home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net > Article 12773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uninett.no!not-for-mail From: "Anthony N. Morgan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Danish port-salut cheese Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:09:39 -0700 Organization: HiST-elektro Lines: 20 Message-ID: <357C1AD3.3A33@iet.hist.no> References: <3578AA30.AB0@earthlink.net> Reply-To: anthony@iet.hist.no NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12773 Dr. Lalo wrote: > > I know that beekeepers are a very talented lot. I am one > > I need your help: > > Does anyone have a recipe for making Danish port-salute cheese? > > Thanks. > > Dr. Lalo I cannot claim to be anywhere near THAT talented! Why *Danish* Port Salut? AFAIK Port Salut was originally a French cheese but is a generic type (like Cheddar) that is produced in many countries. The Norwegian Port Salut, for example, is a fine cheese. The production process/recipe should not be difficult to establish if it really is a generic cheese and not a licensed product. Anthony N Morgan Article 12774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Devasted by varroa Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 05:03:35 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.238 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 897386654 1424 206.146.5.238 (9 Jun 1998 10:04:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jun 1998 10:04:14 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12774 Hi All, The county of Lyon in Minnesota in which I live had approximately 1500 bee colonies in it last year, this year there are approximately 40 colonies left. Twenty of the colonies are mine which were just started this year, with a very low bee population I wonder if people will notice why their apple trees and other fruits are of a lower quality. Each year I find more beekeepers going out of business, all because of the varroa, and tracheal mite. It looks like the older beekeepers are going the way of the dinosaurs, any that will not adapt to new problems as they arise will go extinct. I hope this doesn't continue because without the older generation beekeepers around it will become harder for some one to get started into beekeeping. This year I have expanded from 30 colonies to 65 and 9 more nucs, I was hoping for faster increase but the weather is not always co-operative. I probably will reunite all single stories back together this weekend with Queen excluders to run as 2 queen colonies, then split them apart again the first week of august. The best part of all this is that I have not used apistan for the control of varroa mites in any of my colonies last fall or this spring, I see very little evidence of varroa in any of my colonies. Last year at this time I thought I would lose half of my colonies before fall because of the varroa, what a difference a year makes. I lost four of my 30 colonies last winter, two of the four colonies were as good as dead last fall due to a transit problem. My goal is 120 colonies by this fall, which will fill all the deeps I have sitting around here. The only thing to blame for my success is mineral oil, this past week I treated all my colonies with mineral oil at a cost of about $2.00, the only disadvantage is the weekly treatment, compared to semi annually with apistan. I check all my colonies weekly any way. If I were to treat my colonies with apistan this fall it would cost $6.40 per colony or 4 strips at $1.60 per strip. If I have 120 colonies this fall it would cost $768.00 to treat for varroa, it's not hard to see why the beekeepers are going under. The best fix our Government and bee researchers can come up with is to increase the tax on our commercial beekeepers from 1 cent per pound to 2 cents , which will go to bee scientist too research the problems of the beekeepers. Then they will come up with new chemicals to sell you for the mite problems at a inflated cost, which the beekeeper has already paid for through the tax on his honey. The next thing I think may be coming soon is a restriction to what we can treat our hives with, that is only approved chemicals. There is already an effort to quiet every one that talks about mineral oil on the internet, bee-l no longer allows it on the list because it offends the scientists on the list. This main reason for the list to switch to a moderated (censored) list is to keep controversial issues off, which is a request of the researchers. I hope Adam doesn't go the route of censoring the news group. Elroy Article 12775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Date: 8 Jun 1998 03:20:49 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 59 Message-ID: <6lflah$af@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12775 Anyone know of any research that tested the effectiveness of reusing strips for a 2nd and possibly a 3rd treatment? I believe they are intended to be used only once but I have been told by some beekeepers that if you roughen them up with a wire brush, you can reuse them a couple of times, although I thought this brushing was to remove wax. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! John Caldeira wrote in article <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net>... > > Recent experiments by researchers at the Weslaco Honey Bee Research > Unit (Dr.Frank Eischen and others, U.S. Department of Agriculture) > provides insights on two aspects of Apistan's effectiveness that have > been discussed on this newsgroup in months past: (1) the relative > effectiveness of the old "Section 18" strips and (2) whether > scratching the surface of Apistan strips increases their mite kills. > > > 1. Relative effectiveness of the current Apistan versus 10-year old > "Section 18" strips in controlling varroa mites: In an experimental > 24 hour treatment, the following mite kill resulted: > > Apistan Section 18 (1 strip/colony): 1924 > Apistan (current U.S., 2 strips/colony): 1355 > Apistan from Europe (1 strip/colony): 678 > Untreated control: 150 > > This suggests that the old Section 18 strips were, indeed, more > effective in killing varroa mites. > > > 2. Whether stratching/abrading the surface of Apistan strips > increases its effectiveness in killing varroa mites: In an > experiment, Apistan strips were either scratched on one side or both > sides, and compared to unscratched control strips. The researchers > found that unscratched Apistan controlled about 17% of varroa in the > Florida test colonies, whereas one-side scratched Apistan controlled > slightly more and double-side scratched killed twice the number of > mites that the unscratched Apistan did. It was hypothesized that the > increased mite control resulted from increasing the surface area on > the Apistan strips. > > These experimental results were informally described in the Texas > Beekeepers Association's Journal (May/June, 1998). Sample sizes of > some of the treatments were not described. > > Regards, > John > > ================================================ > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ > ================================================ > Article 12776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!grissom.powerup.com.au!not-for-mail From: "mattk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Australian Beekeepers Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:42:56 +1000 Organization: Power Up Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6lj005$nr6$1@grissom.powerup.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts5857.powerup.com.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12776 I am interested in corresponding with other beekeepers in Australia. If any Australian beekeepers are interested drop me a line and let me know you are alive. MattK Article 12777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: 9 Jun 1998 12:44:12 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 69 Message-ID: <6ljams$724$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12777 In article <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net>, Elroy Rogers wrote: >I hope Adam doesn't go the route of censoring the news group. Hi. Well, first off, I cannot--this is a Usenet news group and lives on it's own, by itself. I, nor anyone else, can control what is posted here. There are guidelines of course, but basically, Usenet runs by itself. Certain specific issues regarding Usenet are now happening--and are very interesting from an internet historical point of view and and ethical one. If you feel like reading up on Usenet, free speech, and "non-control control", check out news.answers and news.groups for these issues. I have no idea about "scientists" censoring anything. Having almost completed a masters degree in Entomology, and having conducted research on honey bee biology, I'm familiar with honey bee research. Most honey bee researchers couldn't give a darn about what's put on the internet. Did you read that? Paying attention? Research comes from having money. My program at VA Tech has absolutely no research money for honey bees studies. So, I did my research with my own bees and equipment--and I enjoyed it, and found some interesting new facets of honey bee biology that hopefully I'll publish someday. If you, as a beekeeper, feel that there should be more research on honey bees, get off your whining behind, organize, and lobby for more federal monies. It's not that hard--look at all the press honey bees have gotten so far. I know of one specific agriculture school that did receive money to do new honey bee research and they will. But, as with most scientific procedure now, they'll conduct the experiments, wait for the data, and then publish the results after analyzing the data. If their results benefit a beekeeper, great--we'll all be happy. If not, well someone will have a masters or PhD degree and a few papers. That's how it works. I don't know how the USDA bee research is set-up, as far as having a performance record. I assume that they are trying to find reasons for the voracity of varroa related diseases, and ways both chemical and biological to alleviate this problem, but unlike science myths, this stuff takes time. The alternative control debates, I'm unaware of, having lessened my bee-l reading to a weekly session of pick and choose subjects. I usually delete all the yammering about censorship, etc. What I'd assume is happening is that claims are being made, when there is no REPRODUCIBLE DATA. If one conducts research according to the standard, then one's data should be reproducible, to be valid, and subsequently, true. Many, many, many factors can influence data (results) and this is why statistics and experimental designs are employed to to obtain data. It's a pain, it's expensive and it's hard, but when data appears that's statistically significant, most times it can be regarded as reliable--maybe some of the data folks are reporting, are not obtained utilizing rigorous experimental protocol? I don't know, I've avoided becoming involved: I'm too busy trying to finish my own work. I'd LOVE to do honey bee research to help beekeepers. Do you know how hard and exclusive it is to even get involved in honey bee research? Are you aware how academic politics works? Maybe, if a beekeeper is dissatisfied with the way their tax money is being used, they along with their fellow beekeepers could ORGANIZE and come up with some goals, and then present these to the appropriate people. It happens all the time in this country, and that's why the USA is so great. Use this newsgroup to organize! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hnnutt@aol.com (HNNutt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey in cappings Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jun 1998 10:55:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12778 Another dumb begginer question. I extracted yesterday and ended up with a 5 gallon bucket about 3/4 full of cappings with honey mixed in. There appears to be several quarts of honey in this stuff. With little or no equipment and less knowledge, what's the easiest and quickest way to seperate the honey? I have 4 hives in central Texas. They did well. HNNutt@AOL.COM HNNUTT@AOL.COM *** I'll hold the horse....You get the rope! Article 12779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news1.ispnews.com!news11.ispnews.com!not-for-mail From: "Len A. Davis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying Honey Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:37:20 -0500 Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6lfm0t$aln$1@news12.ispnews.com> References: <357979DC.19D88CB@MCIONE.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 56k-157.maxtnt3.pdq.net X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 897276765 10935 209.144.229.157 (8 Jun 1998 03:32:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 1998 03:32:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12779 I have some raw honey from Central Texas you might enjoy. It is a clear golden color with great flavor. Must people who try it say it is some of the best they have tasted. It is Texas Guajillo Brush honey. Let me know. Len Wayne Hunsucker wrote in message <357979DC.19D88CB@MCIONE.com>... >Hi Everybody! > >I am interested in buying honey from around the country. Especially >interested in raw honey, fresh from the hive. I have a particular >interest in various flavors. > >If you have honey for sale, contact me. Let's talk. > Article 12780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:40:24 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 154 Message-ID: <6lje08$i7i$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.21 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 09 13:40:24 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12780 In article <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net>, Elroy Rogers wrote: > > Hi All, > The county of Lyon in Minnesota in which I live had approximately > 1500 bee colonies in it last year, this year there are approximately 40 > colonies left. Twenty of the colonies are mine which were just started > this year, with a very low bee population I wonder if people will notice > why their apple trees and other fruits are of a lower quality. Each > year I find more beekeepers going out of business, all because of the > varroa, and tracheal mite. It looks like the older beekeepers are going > the way of the dinosaurs, any that will not adapt to new problems as > they arise will go extinct. I hope this doesn't continue because > without the older generation beekeepers around it will become harder for > some one to get started into beekeeping. it will continue - we may well end up with virtually only the GIANT beekeepers and the hobbyists with all the sideliners pretty well extinct for economic reasons - ONE good reason to encourage hobbyists while working at improving economic viability for those in it for money as well as pleasure > This year I have expanded from 30 colonies to 65 and 9 more nucs, I was > hoping for faster increase but the weather is not always co-operative. I > probably will reunite all single stories back together this weekend with > Queen excluders to run as 2 queen colonies, then split them apart again > the first week of august. > > The best part of all this is that I have not used apistan for the > control of varroa mites in any of my colonies last fall or this spring, > I see very little evidence of varroa in any of my colonies. Last year at > this time I thought I would lose half of my colonies before fall because > of the varroa, what a difference a year makes. I lost four of my 30 > colonies last winter, two of the four colonies were as good as dead last > fall due to a transit problem. My goal is 120 colonies by this fall, > which will fill all the deeps I have sitting around here. Elroy - your county sounds like it is on the normal 2-3 year cycle of devastation - so keep your guard up. High loss years are OFTEN followed by a extremely low loss year in many places which too often lulls the sleepy into thinking them blasted mites plumb died off - while in fact the population just got cut way back and is RAPIDLY rebuilding for another round of devastation. > > The only thing to blame for my success is mineral oil, actually ya missed a few contributing factors that are also helping you - like current relative isolation from other bees for instance as probably the main one (less drifty bees bringing in mites not your own) - actively working toward increased hive health as probably the second one (disease plays a BIG role in hive loss - mites add more stress which makes this even worse) - making splits as the third one (it affects mite population growth dynamics) >this past week I > treated all my colonies with mineral oil at a cost of about $2.00, the > only disadvantage is the weekly treatment, compared to semi annually > with apistan. I check all my colonies weekly any way. If I were to > treat my colonies with apistan this fall it would cost $6.40 per colony > or 4 strips at $1.60 per strip. If I have 120 colonies this fall it > would cost $768.00 to treat for varroa, it's not hard to see why the > beekeepers are going under. Unless you have 20 frames of brood you should not need 4 strips per colony per treatment. IF at treatment time you have 10 frames of brood then two strips will do. One strip per 5 frames of (bees and) BROOD - IN CONTACT with the cluster - meaning where the brood is and where it will be at end of treatment period. So ya might cut treatment cost in half or at least by 25% by that simple alteration. Via wintering nucs you can get down to one strip per unit and once you get the system down well end up farther ahead as well - see the nucs ain't making honey so treatment can be timed perfectly in them no matter what the flows do. Nucs are used as insurance of having your own replacements in case treatment could not be timed just right in your honey producers due to flow timing. How much is your time worth? I cannot get around to all my colonies on a weekly basis - this plays into the equation of what is do-able as well. > The best fix our Government and bee researchers can come up with is to > increase the tax on our commercial beekeepers from 1 cent per pound to 2 > cents , which will go to bee scientist too research the problems of the > beekeepers. Then they will come up with new chemicals to sell you for > the mite problems at a inflated cost, which the beekeeper has already > paid for through the tax on his honey. Elroy we DO NEED the research and it is mult-pronged at present. There is for instance at least one researcher looking for mite diseases as a possible biological control of varroa (a GREAT idea but unfortunately a blind alley so far). Other researchers are working to breed more mite resistance into existing bee stocks (this would go farther faster if more true cooperation existed including the ability to cooperate between programs via exchange of stocks for testing another way in another place - meaning we need the USDA to allow careful importation of honeybee semen and honeybee eggs). Yet others are exploring new chemical controls (likely the fastest route to save our bacon but with major downfalls with it). >The next thing I think may be > coming soon is a restriction to what we can treat our hives with, that > is only approved chemicals. this already exists - it is why the researchers don't really want their names mixed in with such discussions as they don't want to come across as supporting extra-label uses of chemicals -- though in PRIVATE (a newsgroup or e-mail list is in PUBLIC) a few of them may discuss the thing more openly with someone they trust can keep a confidence >There is already an effort to quiet every > one that talks about mineral oil on the internet, bee-l no longer allows > it on the list because it offends the scientists on the list. This main > reason for the list to switch to a moderated (censored) list is to keep > controversial issues off, which is a request of the researchers. note one reason listed above and perhaps it will make more sense to you > > I hope Adam doesn't go the route of censoring the news group. > I doubt he will as he has given NO signs of it yet that I have seen. Some moderated groups definitely improve the quality of posts thereon however. Take rec.h-nting as an example - without moderation it got bogged down with posts by bashers on the attack rather than discussions of hu-ting which it is for. (letters dropped to prevent searchers from finding the word hereon and bashing) If that sorta thing was happening here then moderation would help - since it ain't happening here we don't need nor desire moderation of the ng. We are lucky too as this group stays on topic and avoids flame wars better than most - even when debates arise the participants tend to leave the debate on speaking terms though perhaps still of the same opinion as when the debate/discussion ensued. Since opinions based on experiences are liable to differ dramatically it would be mighty odd if we all agreed about every blooming thing. Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail.com http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:14:11 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 43 Message-ID: <357B5703.836FF16@fcbl.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> <6kvuo4$1hq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35741CEA.E1662B69@fcbl.net> <357AA617.1F366E99@swbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897277239 EDOBMGQ.FB034D018C usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12781 The answer is NO we have 30 acres and the hive is about 30 feet from the end of the house which is 50 ft long and 2 story. Nothing goes on at that end it is opisite of the door and garage. We rarely go near the hive. Today for instance I went out about 1pm to look at the hives as I split it to introduce a new queen. I put 1/2 on the other side of the house to loose the bees to the old queen so the new one would accept the queen. I wrote about how the bees chased me. 2 days ago I moved the new hive to the spot of the old one and put the old queen about 50 ft away to loose the bees back to the new queen so I could kill the old one. I approached the old queens hive because I didn't see any activity around it but saw alot of bees around the new queen, so my plan has worked. Anyway when I got up to the old hive I listened to here if any bees were in there, I didn't hear anything so I tapped, and I do mean I just tapped the top of the hive with my finger and they started buzzing and pouring out of the hive at me. I didn't have any equipment on so I ran back in the house. All day any place I in the yard even on the other side of the house more than 100 ft away I was buzzed and chased. They waited for me at both doors. These bees are crazy. They really scare me. I have had 40 hives before and never saw any like these. You cant get withen 30 feet of the onewith activity without them chasing you not one or two but 10 - 20 or more. Tomorrow Im going to try to kill the old queen and rejoin the hive back together. Larry Jim Owen wrote: > I agree with everything that the group has said. > > Another recent observation may be worth considering also... Do you or your wife > use any insect repellant? My wife has seldom been "buzzed", even though she's > routinely working in the garden about 10 ft from my 7 hives. We've got "chiggers" > (if you don't know what they are, count your blessings!) and she tried a new insect > repellent "Cutters Sensation". Well, she got to the garden, was there no more than > 3 minutes, and was zapped with no other warning. I believe the "new, improved" > fragrance of the repellant offends the bees. (Just a guess though) > > Jim Owen Article 12782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying Honey Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:17:10 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <357B57B6.641211B6@fcbl.net> References: <357979DC.19D88CB@MCIONE.com> <6lfm0t$aln$1@news12.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897277419 EDOBMGQ.FB034D018C usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12782 The best honey I have tasted was when I had hives in Florida and the bees mad it from Palmetto bush blossoms. It was light and had a lime flavor. Larry Len A. Davis wrote: > I have some raw honey from Central Texas you might enjoy. It is a clear > golden color with great flavor. Must people who try it say it is some of the > best they have tasted. It is Texas Guajillo Brush honey. > Let me know. > > Len > > Wayne Hunsucker wrote in message <357979DC.19D88CB@MCIONE.com>... > >Hi Everybody! > > > >I am interested in buying honey from around the country. Especially > >interested in raw honey, fresh from the hive. I have a particular > >interest in various flavors. > > > >If you have honey for sale, contact me. Let's talk. > > Article 12783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ptah.visi.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <357B1030.7A7A@wavefront.com> From: alan montgomery X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm etc.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 03:49:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: wf-3-3.wavefront.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:49:28 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12783 Hi folks: I was called to go check out a swarm that apparently issued from one of my 3 hives today. Sure enough therenit was about 20 feet up. So I didi not think it wise to climb up, but instead threw a rope over a branch and hoisted a deep box with frame of pollen and honey and an empty comb. It ended up about 8 or 10 feet below the swarm. So I will check tommorow although it is supposed to rain. What do you think my chances are of attractng the swarm? Also how can I tell of the three hives which cast the swarm for sure. I wintered two over and split one in which there was the old queen and a new supersedure daughter. The other one had a lot of bees and a couple of queen cells last week and still acouple capped queen cells today. originally, I clipped both queens last Fall and this early Spring and so that when I made the split the new supersedure queen was unclipped (still is) So, perhaps one of my clipped queens flew the coop? Or maybe they raised a supersedure queen who flew the coop, although this would be unusual? I thought the elder queen would leave and the new (supersedure)queen remain behind? Would appreciate your input on these matters. Oh yes if I do rescue the swarm should I start a new colony with this queen or simply requeen everything? Yours, A.M. Article 12784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:21:40 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 36 Message-ID: <357B58C4.BA8DCED@fcbl.net> References: <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> <6lf9sm$2s3$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897277688 EDOBMGQ.FB034D018C usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12784 You might be lucky if you place one close but you might be unlucky like I was and if you are look out. . Larry Jerome R. Long wrote: > In article <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net>, len@sonic.net says... > > > >How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to > >to live comfortably? > > > >Not even new (haven't gotten the hives yet, but planning) and there is > >some concern in my family about distance to hive(s) for gardening, BBQ, > >etc. Live in semi-rural area, one acre for us and similar housing in > >pasture-like setting) but family members are afraid of stings. And don't > >want to alarm other homes around me. So, how far? > >TIA > > You have replies that indicate you could have the hive in VERY close proximity > to family activities. Though such is possible, don't do it. On the other hand > don't worry. If you have an acre you are in good shape. Position your hive so > that the earliest sun of the day hits the opening. That will get the bees > started earlier and make more honey and it will tend to establish a flight > path which really should not include your picnic table and grill. If you are > going to run the mower within six feet of the front of the hive on the middle > of a sunny day you should act quickly. If you have a neighbor that hangs white > things on a line the flight path should not pass over those white things as > the bees deficate in flight and could produce some interesting specs on the > sheets. Midnights would be a good idea if you have anyone who is allergic to > bee stings. Generally speaking, I would say that anything outside a 25 foot > circle about the hive is as safe as a mile. In the wrong kind of weather > anything inside a 10 foot circle is liable to stings however rare and midnites > are no exception. Article 12785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:58:24 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 26 Message-ID: <357D3F80.4A9F@nt.com> References: <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net> <6lflah$af@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <357C03C1.9D3@nt.com> <6lh4q0$30r@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12785 George Styer wrote: > > But my question was: Is there research that tested the effectiveness of > reusing strips? Can you direct me to it? Is the statement "Re-using strips > is one of the most effective ways of helping varroa become resistant to > their active ingredient" opinion or fact? Defininately opinion but not just my own. > > BTW, when you only have a 2 or 3 hives and have to buy strips in a minimum > qty of 10, the cost is not insignificant. In the UK we have to use 4 strips of Bayvoral (Apistan isn't licenced here butwould/will be 2) and it comes in boxes of 5 foil bags with each bag containing 4 strips. So long as the bags are bought fresh they have a shelf life of 4 to 5 years. To do 1 treatment of a hive using 4 strips costs between 5 and 6 UKpounds say 8 to 10 US dollars, I sell my honey at 2.10 UKpounds for 1Lb or 3.90 UKpounds for 2Lb so it costs me about 2.5 Lbs honey per hive to treat with new Bayvoral . -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Bee Supplier (UK) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:00:07 +0100 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-15.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <357d31ab.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-15.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12786 I have catalogues for 'Steele & Brodie', and 'Thornes'. Can anybody give me suppliers of Bee Colonies in Northern UK? Best Price/Quality/Delivery are all factors! (Single colony only) Or does someone near Scunthorpe have a 'spare', for a small consideration? Thanks..... -- beeky@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk 'Smibatnmybolnimgoinome Article 12787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Those "Killer Bees" Date: 8 Jun 1998 13:45:39 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6lgpu3$qvk$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-9.sl016.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12787 What ever became of the killer bee problem? See my post under the thread Article 12788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!srv1.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.crc.ca!nott!torn!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:39:49 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 63 Message-ID: <6lhln5$2vg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net> <6lflah$af@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <357C03C1.9D3@nt.com> <6lh4q0$30r@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.38 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 08 21:39:49 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12788 In article <6lh4q0$30r@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" wrote: > > But my question was: Is there research that tested the effectiveness of > reusing strips? Can you direct me to it? yes sorta - research was published in ABJ (don't recall which issue but someone may) in the which they wiped the strips to collect fluvalinate and tested to see how much of that active ingredient was collected from "new style" strips that were NEW, USED once, and Used then abraded - the crux was that only the new strips had anywhere near enough fluvalinate to do the job. >Is the statement "Re-using strips > is one of the most effective ways of helping varroa become resistant to > their active ingredient" opinion or fact? That would be opinion. IMO low continuous dosing is FAR less likely to develop fluvalinate resistant mites compared with HIGH dosing for too short a treatment duration (as per ****** spraying). Why is that my opinion - (not that this neccessarily makes it correct) well in both Italy and FL that was the common beekeeper practice immediately preceding the finding of fluvalinate resistant mites. So now you have two differing opinions - choose betwixt them or why not come up with another all on your own. > BTW, when you only have a 2 or 3 hives and have to buy strips in a minimum > qty of 10, the cost is not insignificant. Since you often need to treat twice a year it sounds to me like you can about buy a year's supply via buying 10 strips and I have seen dealers that break up 100 packs to sell you "just what you need." Okay at that number (10 pack) you may pay about $3/strip compared to the $1.50-1.75 I pay - oh did you ever think of buying the strips from a bigger beekeeper you know? OR pooling your club together to buy a hundred pack and save everybody some money? But let us say you dutifully shuck out $3/strip and you use two strips per treatment and you treat twice each year properly timed with the realities of mite and parasitized bee biology. That would be $12/colony/year just for Apistan treatment (which is about half of one stop at the gas station with my pickup). Okay compare that to $40-50 per package or nuc to replace them and which way keeps the hobby cost down the best??? Maybe I did my math wrong somewhere here but it seems like if have two colonies and you treat pretty near right and you still lose one colony every year anyway that you spend $24 on Apistan plus $45 on a nuc for a total of $65. And some years you don't lose one. OR if you don't treat you pretty near every year loss both colonies (especially if you use stock highly susceptible to BOTH mites) and you pay $90 for two nucs. Did I miss something here?? Yes it was cheaper to keep bees in pre-mite days - I will grant you that but them days are gone and they ain't coming back - see if them blooming mites all died tommorrow it would still be post-mite days not pre-mite days wouldn't it? ;-) Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail.com http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Q for TBH enthusiasts Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1998060823460100.TAA26056@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jun 1998 23:46:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12789 (T)errorized (B)ee (H)ive Article 12790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation hive Date: Mon, 08 Jun 98 14:22:49 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <17F6FCA3ES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <6l80q4$9go$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> <6la5ec$4rl$1@magnolia.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12790 In article <6la5ec$4rl$1@magnolia.pe.net> amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) writes: > ... had a tattered old queen on it. If I were you I would > buy a fertile queen to stick in there.... Actually in an observation hive a queen of lesser quality may be preferable. A young fertile queen will quickly lay eggs beyond the observation hive's capacity. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 12791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Q for TBH enthusiasts Date: 9 Jun 1998 04:27:43 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 68 Message-ID: <6lidjv$8m3@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <6l7sn7$6ng@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.80.120 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12791 I built my first TBH this spring. I put the entrance in the end. From what I have read the bees tend to put brood near the entrance, which puts the honey then on the other end. My bees built lots of comb and very nicely. Unfortunately the queen that came with the 4 lb. package was a drone layer, so I got lots of drone comb. I now have a new queen. My hive slopes out about 13 degrees from vertical. The TB's are 21 1/2 in. by 1 3/8 in. The outside bottom edge is 15 5/8 in. (3/4 plywood) and the TB's are 12 in. above the bottom. The hive is 55 in long on the in side, therefore it holds 40 TB. This may be way to long, but I wanted lots of room for the first one. The extra room has been handy when inspecting the hive. I just set the combs in the extra space. It also gave me a space to put the feeder bottles. So far they have filled about ten topbars. I put a saw kerf down each TB and filled it with wax as a starter. So far the bees have made combs okay from this start. The only problem I have encountered so far is that the TBH is not at all compatible with Langstroth hives I would have liked to have used some of the extra brood from my other strong hives to strengthen this one. I have found this very interesting and I encourage you to give it a try. -- Remove one J from address. George Styer wrote in article <6l7sn7$6ng@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... > As hobbiest, I have always kept my bees in Langstroth's and will continue > to do so for extracted honey. It seems that neighbors and friends always > want to sample some honey when they visit so I thought a TBH would be ideal > for these small spur of the moment harvests. So.....I am contemplating > building a TBH and moving some bees out of one of my Langstroth's. But > first some questions. > > In looking at plans on the Net I notice some have the entrance on the long > side, while others have it on the narrow front. Does the location affect > where the brood nest is within the hive? What are the pros and cons of each > location? > > At what angle should the sides be sloped? I have seen plans with straight > sides, 60 and 77 degrees. My understanding is that the slope will > discourage the bees from attaching the comb to the sides. > > With a width of about 20" how many bars should there be adequate brood > rearing and some harvest? 20? 30? > > Anyone had experience or ideas about transitioning the bees occupying a > Langstroth to this new environment? I thought about setting the old deeps > on top of the TBH until all the brood emerged but I can't see the bees > drawing anything out below let alone the Q moving down. Would you > "slice-n-splice" the old comb onto the top bars? > > I am sure I will have more questions later but this is what has been on my > mind. > -- > Geo > "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > > Article 12792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Richard A. Trevino, Jr." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yorks Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. Date: 9 Jun 1998 02:06:44 GMT Organization: AMICI Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <01bd9337$1fbe6e20$bdf451ce@richard> References: <35760046.2192@galstar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.81.244.189 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!boris.eden.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12792 In May I ordered a 3 lb. package of Midnites for about $50 with postage. About 3 week after I installed them the queens laying pattern was spotted. I call York and asked if this was normal. They sent me a new queen free. If I wanted it sent express mail I would have to pay the postage. I have been very please with the Midnites so far. They are very docile. According to the ad in BeeCulture York's queens cost about $12 for Italian or Caucasian and $13 for Starline, Midnite or Double Hybrid. gwest7t@galstar.com wrote in article <35760046.2192@galstar.com>... > On 6-2-1998 in Neosho, Mo. a beekeeper had a story to tell. > It all started when he ordered 2 queens ($42.00 total price) from York > Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. When they arrived 1 was dead. He called the folks at > York Bee Co. and told them one queen arrived dead. He was told the only > way they would replace the queen is if he paid for it, another $21.00. > > This is a bad way to conduct business. > > Has anyone had a event like this happen? Please post the information. > gw > Article 12793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!udel-eecis!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beefriend@aol.com (Beefriend) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books for the total beginner Date: 9 Jun 1998 03:39:30 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998060903393000.XAA28209@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <3575cfd4.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12793 The third edition of "The Beekeeper's Handbook" by Diana Sammataro and Alphonse Avitabile has just been published by A.I.Root for $29.95. The second edition was really terrific. I'm looking forward to getting my copy. David Morris Article 12794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mgrant0606@aol.com (MGrant0606) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998060804200300.AAA27538@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jun 1998 04:20:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <357B58C4.BA8DCED@fcbl.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12794 I have wanted bees for a very long time and have watched and read a alot, However this subject has my wife in a state of"NO BEES IN OUR YARD" It sound like I would be ok here. I have 2 wooded acres and could place the hive at least 75 ft from anything. any help for me?? Article 12795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <357D52A7.68E51F24@csi.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:20:07 -0400 From: "Carl J. Rock" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Honey in cappings References: <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-ntdwwaaw.compuserve.com Lines: 30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12795 Double boiler stovetop method or wait for an extremely hot day. Place a 16 quart SS stock pot into a 20 quart canner (instant 16qt double boiler). Warm the cap/honey mess over burner until wax melts and separates (wax floats to top). Remove heat and allow to cool. Before wax begins to harden drape two strings from rim to rim and approx 2/3 or more depth of wax. Let cool until room temp. Gently remove wax by strings and process later. Ladle the honey into container(s) being careful not to disturb the last inch or two of honey. Caveats; Don't attempt to move hot containers. Don't raise boiler temperature any higher than necessary to make wax fluid. Wax vapors are extremely flammable, use proper ventilation. Strain the last inch or two of honey. The purists will denounce this with the claims heat ruins the flavor but you get good clean wax and excellent honey. HNNutt wrote: > Another dumb begginer question. I extracted yesterday and ended up with a 5 > gallon bucket about 3/4 full of cappings with honey mixed in. There appears to > be several quarts of honey in this stuff. With little or no equipment and less > knowledge, what's the easiest and quickest way to seperate the honey? > I have 4 hives in central Texas. They did well. > > HNNutt@AOL.COM > HNNUTT@AOL.COM > > *** I'll hold the horse....You get the rope! Article 12796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Lisa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need a Double Screen Date: 9 Jun 98 10:51:59 GMT Organization: DowElanco Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: elinet1.dowagro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!elrnd1.el.dow.com!165.216.8.37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12796 I would like to have a "Double Screen" . This is an insert which has two sreens separated enough that the bees on one side cannot touch the bees on the other side. You can put this between two hives to keep the bees separate but still make them think it is one hive. It also can have an entrance cut into one side. Can anyone tell me where I can purchase one that would fit a standard Langstroth hive OR where I can find plans to build one? Thanks Lisa Article 12797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology.misc,sci.research.careers,ucd.talk.medical.entomology,tw.bbs.sci.entomology,ntu.dep.forestry,bionet.general,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help with career Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:39:14 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 88 Message-ID: <357D5722.B25@ultranet.com> References: <357C6BA8.BFD418E0@scescape.net> <357C6DC3.757FDE43@scescape.net> <357e462e.70866555@news.halcyon.com> <357CACA5.301F@interaccess.com> <357f9768.91663331@news.halcyon.com> <357CA437.1071@ultranet.com> <3581b59d.99397875@news.halcyon.com> <6ljken$89g$1@news.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: d193.dial-2.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 9 Jun 1998 15:46:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology.misc:6851 sci.research.careers:27175 bionet.general:28347 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12797 I have cross pollinated this dicussion to the beekeeping newsgroup. Currently, bees are being decimated by two new diseases, varroa and tracheal mites. What is the state of research funding in varroa resistance? The economic stakes are huge. No pollination, no eat. The relevance to sci.research.careers is to point out that research funding is concentrated in very few areas, both in academia and in industry. Regards, Marc Andelman dahd wrote: > > In article <3581b59d.99397875@news.halcyon.com>, DrHeasley@Chemistry.com > says... > > > >On Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:55:51 -0400, Marc Andelman > > wrote: > > > >>Frank wrote: > >>> > >> > >>> > > >>> >(Psst. Frank. Coleoptera aren't plants.) > >>> > > >>> >Bill > >>> >-- > >>> > >>> oops. > >>> > >>> Frank > >> > >> > >>Hi Frank > >> Coleoptera are beetles. In all my years of head hunting, > >>no one has ever called to ask for a coleoptera expert. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Marc Andelman > > > >Ok, so you got to be right once. Live it up.... > > > >Anyway, they live on Coleus plants, right, ;-) or was that some kinda > >green algae I was thinking about. now where did I leave that old bug > >book... > > > >Anyway, there is a serious shortage of entomologists these days. I > >hardly have any entomologist resumes. Unfortunately, the shortage of > >jobs for entomologists is even more serious. > > > >Frank > > Dahd Speaking: > > And the sad fact is that there are very very serious problems with > insect pests that need a great deal more attention and funding. > > To name a few-- > > Fire ants throughout the South > Termites Control > Roach Control > Cattle Pests of Various sorts > Tick Control/ to control arthropod borne diseases like Lyme Disease > and several others. > Mosquitos-- public health issues here. We haven't had a great > huge encephalitis epidemic in years, but it can happen. Lots of > other diseases transmitted by these critters too. > > The point here is that bucks have been going to very sexy research > areas in biotech and genetics. Great! But there is still lots of > of biological research that needs doing. > > Underfunded areas-- Entomology, Botany, Invertebrate Zoology. > The latter holds the key to understanding everything about development/ > cell growth regulation, > and therefore ultimately control of malignant diseases. > > Nearly dead areas of scholarship include paleontology, comparative > anatomy, developmental embryology > just to name a few. > > Well, resources are always limited, and we put our bucks in a targeted > fashion on what seems important to human interest-- and by targeting > our research we miss many opportunities for discovery through > basic researc/and luck to solve the very problems we attemt to > deal with through targeted research. Article 12798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Date: 8 Jun 1998 05:17:51 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6lfs5v$28c@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.20.216 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12798 Len, I have heard 12 feet, but it depends on the bees. I mow the grass right up to mine with no problem. The hive should face SE. So you will need the most clearance in that direction. Honey bees don't BBQ. Yellow-jackets do. As for your neighbors, normally you need to keep your hives 25 ft from the line or have a solid fence. I have two hives at my step mothers and she hasn't noticed any more bees in here yard than before the bees were there. They spread out all over. Good Luck Pete Len wrote in article <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net>... > How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to > to live comfortably? > > Not even new (haven't gotten the hives yet, but planning) and there is > some concern in my family about distance to hive(s) for gardening, BBQ, > etc. Live in semi-rural area, one acre for us and similar housing in > pasture-like setting) but family members are afraid of stings. And don't > want to alarm other homes around me. So, how far? > TIA > Article 12799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.delphi.com!news From: D Boller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: Tue, 9 Jun 98 13:58:27 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.93.4.2 X-To: "Lisa" Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12799 "Lisa" writes: >I would like to have a "Double Screen" . This is an insert which has two Brushy Mountain Bee Farm has them. 1-800-233-7929. Catalog No. 694. $14.50. Article 12800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9mm cell and varroa Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:41:37 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <357D57B1.D31@juno.com> References: <3577F727.96472D7A@csi.com> <357C0096.4482@nt.com> <6lhjhe$vh9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.70.220 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897417872 OCZ7E7JIA46DCD11BC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12800 the bee culture magazine, on-line at: http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/index.htm has run articles on/by the lusbys of arizona in the jan.&jun.'98 issues about this matter...interesting stuff, although it's difficult to draw generalized conclusions; hopefully harder data may be forthcoming in future from usda study derived from their experiences (see on-line article on erickson's work at): http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/beecells0597.htm also,p-o's swedish beekeeping homepage: http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ in its research on varroa section, has the results of a student project on the influence of cell size on mite reproduction showing insignificant differences under their study conditions. Article 12801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.138.0.5!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.pn.com!nntp.pn.com!uunet!in4.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mountain Bee Products South Africa Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:14:23 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6lgdfi$p35$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-77.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12801 Take a look at our range of Procective Clothing for You the Beekeepere and get hold of me for details of prices. There is a Mountain of Experience behind our Range. Thanks RONIN J. MOUNTAIN begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO References: <357C6BA8.BFD418E0@scescape.net> <357CA437.1071@ultranet.com> <3581b59d.99397875@news.halcyon.com> <6ljken$89g$1@news.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology.misc:6853 sci.research.careers:27193 bionet.general:28349 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12802 In article <6ljken$89g$1@news.tamu.edu>, dahd wrote: > >And the sad fact is that there are very very serious problems with >insect pests that need a great deal more attention and funding. > >To name a few-- > >Fire ants throughout the South >Termites Control >Roach Control >Cattle Pests of Various sorts >Tick Control/ to control arthropod borne diseases like Lyme Disease >and several others. o>Mosquitos-- public health issues here. We haven't had a great >huge encephalitis epidemic in years, but it can happen. Lots of >other diseases transmitted by these critters too. > >The point here is that bucks have been going to very sexy research >areas in biotech and genetics. Great! But there is still lots of >of biological research that needs doing. >Underfunded areas-- Entomology, Botany, Invertebrate Zoology. Honey bee parasitism/disease research should have been included in the above list--we'll forgive dahd for the omission. But molecular biology is so elegant--you just find 'em and grind 'em right? I mean, can't _anyone_ sequence genomes now, with all the nifty software? >Nearly dead areas of scholarship include paleontology, comparative >anatomy, developmental embryology >just to name a few. > Well, with Cladistics and the new perception that molecular genetics gives the researcher, why mess around with these untidy disciplines, right? >Well, resources are always limited, and we put our bucks in a targeted >fashion on what seems important to human interest-- and by targeting >our research we miss many opportunities for discovery through >basic research/and luck to solve the very problems we attempt to >deal with through targeted research. Yep. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!128.186.6.106.MISMATCH!news.fsu.edu!news-xfer.atlantic.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Date: 8 Jun 1998 10:01:23 GMT Organization: Department of Biology, University of York Lines: 15 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <6lgcpj$do$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> References: <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> <6lee1r$q14@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12803 Hi all, I liked the comments about ensuring that you purchase a gentle strain, and you should have no problems, I would also recommend having some plants that grow-up near the front of the hive to encourage the bees to fly up and away rather than staying low to the ground, It will also serve to make a boundary that children don't cross. My only problem in an urban situation has been my neibours nice white sheets on their washing line. They haven'yt yet sussed out that it is my bees, but it will only be a matter of time:-) (I hope the free honey will keep them sweet). Paul. Article 12804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!195.64.68.27!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.belnet.be!news.fundp.ac.be!mac-raes.biocell.fundp.ac.be!user From: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be (Benoit MARTIN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Q for TBH enthusiasts Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:29:30 +0200 Organization: F.U.N.D.P - Cellular Biochemistry Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <6l7sn7$6ng@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mac-raes.biocell.fundp.ac.be Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12804 In article (Dans l'article) , James D Satterfield wrote (écrivait) : > On 5 Jun 1998, George Styer wrote: > > > As hobbiest, I have always kept my bees in Langstroth's and will continue > > to do so for extracted honey. It seems that neighbors and friends always > > want to sample some honey when they visit so I thought a TBH would be ideal > > for these small spur of the moment harvests. So.....I am contemplating > > building a TBH and moving some bees out of one of my Langstroth's. But > > first some questions. > > George, a tbh will probably serve you well for what you want to do. > What's the meaning of TBH ? -- Benoit MARTIN B-5000 Namur (Belgium). Email: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be Article 12805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998060812555100.IAA24989@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jun 1998 12:55:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6lgcpj$do$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12805 If you provide some kind of screen or hedge (to force the bees to fly up) you can have them pretty close to the house without any problems. Provide water for them- they like a muddy spot or wet sand so thay can stand without drowning. They get attracted to porch and flood lights so provide some kind of blinder so they don't see it from their entrance. After the light goes out they tend to drop to the floor which can be a surprise when letting the dog in in your bare feet. Nothing like a jar of honey handed over the fence- known to solve many problems. Tom in CT Article 12806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BBKA Bromley Bee-keepers Association Mailing list Message-ID: <897426344@zbee.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:05:44 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12806 The Bromley Branch Kent Bee-keepers Association (Garden of England) The BBKA Has started a local newsletter which would interest Kent Beekeepers which will be distributed with "Bee Craft" each month to it's 60 + membership. Local bee news and events/happenings at Bromley bee Club can also be read on our new Internet mailing list which anybody can subscribe to. To subscribe to the BBKA mailing list Send an email to: bbka@zbee.com Subject: SUBSCRIBE The software used for the mailing LIST "Mailtraq" allowed me to setup in 3 minutes the BBKA listserver. Regards STEVEN TURNER G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee. http://www.beeman.dircon.co.uk/ Email: beeman@zbee.com ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 12807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!not-for-mail From: "Colvis Orchards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Our Fruit Orchard is For Sale Date: 9 Jun 1998 21:39:42 GMT Organization: Adams NetWorks Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bd93ee$55b88ee0$83ded8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp01-chester.egyptian.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12807 Our fruit orchard in Southern Illinois is for sale. If you are interested in the details please contact me. colvis@ns.egyptian.net Article 12808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "flemming rasmussen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Kashmir Virus Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:51:45 +0200 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6lkee4$20ke$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip154.albnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12808 Is here anyone who nows somthing abut "kashmir virus".We have heard here in Denmark , that in Australia is wery manny bees dead of virus, that is infektet whith the varroa mite. Reagards F.Rasmussen. Article 12809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9mm cell and varroa Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:54:33 +0100 Message-ID: <1998060923543375982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <3577F727.96472D7A@csi.com> <357C0096.4482@nt.com> <6lhjhe$vh9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12809 The message <6lhjhe$vh9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> from Griffes@my-dejanews.com contains these words: > Word on the grapevine here in the USA has it that some commercial > beekeeper(s) in the SW are switching over to smaller foundation size > COMPLETELY after playing with it a bit (no small task). The claim is that it > is initially quite hard to get bees to properly work the smaller cell size > (especially if they can choose another size - I believe it was plastic > foundation to prevent remaking of the cell base) but once they get it drawn > properly the claim is that the resultant "smaller" bees somehow keep Varroa > population in check. This is grapevine info ONLY and should not be construed > as tested info which it ain't. This was third hand info - so it may not be > worth the time it took to type it BUT it did catch my ear when I heard it and > it might be worth checking into further. > Jack Griffes > jack_griffes AT hotmail.com Here in Scotland (in an area still varroa free), I keep the native `black bee' which is generally smaller than other races. My brood comb is drawn on standard foundation and is usually discarded after 2-3 years as the pupal moult cases gradually reduce the internal cell diameter. If there is any value in smaller cell sizes, would it not be better to retain this old brood comb (hygiene considerations apart) with its progressively smaller cell size? Phil. Article 12810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: prwatt@ifb.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ventillation Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:50:21 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6lke7d$qa$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 09 22:50:21 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; AK; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 phoenix.ifb.net:8080 (Squid/1.1.20) for client 194.105.166.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12810 Hello All from Scotland, My wife Moira and I run colonies here in the north east of Scotland. We suffer from a wet and cold climate. This spring has from March been terrible. I tried to post a RE message against the posting about the ob hive which failed. Thus this . We use a lot of polystyerene hives, which like our timber hives have a ventillation panel in the floor. This is on average 10" sq. The advantage is we have found that the colony is better ventilated when moving, and the bees can better organise their air flow for converting nectar to honey. In this part of the world we use a single brood box whether Langstroth, or National, timber or polystrene. We use Q excluders and if possible we put on a poly super first to give the bees a warm start. Our ob hive also has a ventilation space in the floor as well as in the roof as a small colony has greater difficulty with temp control. We run Clipped Q's as a matter of course as part of our swarm control. I fully realise that a lot of this is alien to some folk but we are where we are in our climate and you are where you are! Wishing all full supers Pete. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!garnet.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail From: David McKinney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Watkins Bee Meter Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 23:41:42 -0300 Organization: NBTel Internet Lines: 10 Message-ID: <357DF266.15B9@nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: davmc@nbnet.nb.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: fctnts09c14.nbnet.nb.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12811 A friend came into possession of a Watkins Bee Meter at a recent auction sale. It is about the size of a pocket watch, about 1 3/4 inches in diameter with a ring for a chain. The outside steel case is round, and the outer rim is numbered 0 to 500 "plate" on left side and 0 to 130 "exp" on right side. The inner portion turns and is marked f7 to f90 "stop" and the other half of circle is 9 to 130 "light". It is made in England and stamped Watkins Bee Meter in the center of the circle. Does anyone know what purpose it has in relation to the bee-keeping industry and its value? David McKinney, Fredericton NB Canada Article 12812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: mdiver@voy.net (vger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: 9 Jun 1998 22:13:18 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6lkc1u$ob2$1@supernews.com> References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.42.133.142 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: 897430399 XWIOA1DPV858ED12AC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12812 In article <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com>, lkeeler@dowagro.com says... > >I would like to have a "Double Screen" . This is an insert which has two >sreens separated enough that the bees on one side cannot touch the bees on >the other side. You can put this between two hives to keep the bees >separate but still make them think it is one hive. It also can have an >entrance cut into one side. > >Can anyone tell me where I can purchase one that would fit a standard >Langstroth hive OR where I can find plans to build one? > >Thanks >Lisa > > > Make your own, by using the frame of an inner cover and put screen on both sides and nail wood strips on the edges to hold the screen on and then cut an opening in the strip on as many sides as you want, and put a nail in the center of the smaller piece so you can open and close the opening. I've done this and it's fairly easy and it works great. mdiver@voy.net Article 12813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!not-for-mail From: JamesR@pe.net (Jim Rasmussen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: So Cal Mtns Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 02:44:51 GMT Organization: Nada Lines: 12 Message-ID: <357df262.1336581@news2.pe.net> Reply-To: jamesr@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Host: idl01ppp34.pe.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12813 I am a new beekeeper in the mountains of So Cal and I know there is at least one other perhaps more that have posted in this group. I have no idea of the nectar flow in this area, is there someone that does? If this is of limited interest, perhaps you could E mail me. Jim Rasmussen JamesR@PE.net Idyllwild CA Jim Rasmussen Email: JamesR@pe.net Idyllwild CA 92549 Article 12814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:43:03 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <357DF2B7.B605BF86@fcbl.net> References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897448217 EDOBMGQ.FB02CD018C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12814 Can you tell me what is the advantage of this method over a double hive or 2 single hives? Thanks Larry Lisa wrote: > I would like to have a "Double Screen" . This is an insert which has two > sreens separated enough that the bees on one side cannot touch the bees on > the other side. You can put this between two hives to keep the bees > separate but still make them think it is one hive. It also can have an > entrance cut into one side. > > Can anyone tell me where I can purchase one that would fit a standard > Langstroth hive OR where I can find plans to build one? > > Thanks > Lisa Article 12815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey in cappings Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:53:00 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <357BECBC.36B8498B@fcbl.net> References: <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897315565 EDOBMGQ.FB02ED018C usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12815 screen the stuff through a Fiberglass screen, then panty hose. Larry HNNutt wrote: > Another dumb begginer question. I extracted yesterday and ended up with a 5 > gallon bucket about 3/4 full of cappings with honey mixed in. There appears to > be several quarts of honey in this stuff. With little or no equipment and less > knowledge, what's the easiest and quickest way to seperate the honey? > I have 4 hives in central Texas. They did well. > > HNNutt@AOL.COM > HNNUTT@AOL.COM > > *** I'll hold the horse....You get the rope! Article 12816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 04:50:56 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <357BD020.19D1@juno.com> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> <6kvuo4$1hq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35741CEA.E1662B69@fcbl.net> <357AA617.1F366E99@swbell.net> <357B5703.836FF16@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.70.216 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897317365 OCZ7E7JIA46D8D11BC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Larry Williard Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12816 don't know where you live, but have you considered the possibilty of africanization? if you have an apiary inspection service, they will analyze a sample of worker bees (send the dead queen as well)...it may be of more than academic interest to find out...good luck! Article 12817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:31:13 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 24 Message-ID: <357C03C1.9D3@nt.com> References: <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net> <6lflah$af@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12817 George Styer wrote: > > Anyone know of any research that tested the effectiveness of reusing strips > for a 2nd and possibly a 3rd treatment? I believe they are intended to be > used only once but I have been told by some beekeepers that if you roughen > them up with a wire brush, you can reuse them a couple of times, although I > thought this brushing was to remove wax. Compare the cost of treating a hive with new Apistan (Bayvoral here in the UK) with the price of 1Lb honey and the cost of buying a colony of bees. Re-using strips is one of the most effective ways of helping varroa become resistant to their active ingredient and at the moment there is no alternate proven treatment that comes close being as effective. Don't re-use strips, in the UK we have an expression that sort of fits "Don't spoil a ship for a hapeth of tar" (hapeth is old currency worth half a penny). -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!193.162.159.201!news1.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Bjørn Andresen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEE BOOST Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:37:33 +0200 Organization: Customer at Tele Danmark Erhverv Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6lhi5f$mqs$1@news1.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: buff-10.dia.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12818 Hej everybody, Has anybody of you tried BEE BOOST, for what? Did it work? Thanks Bjorn Article 12819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!uninett.no!not-for-mail From: "Anthony N. Morgan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Watkins Bee Meter Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:58:20 -0700 Organization: HiST-elektro Lines: 37 Message-ID: <357EAD1C.2009@iet.hist.no> References: <357DF266.15B9@nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: anthony@iet.hist.no NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12819 David McKinney wrote: > = > A friend came into possession of a Watkins Bee Meter at a recent auctio= n > sale. It is about the size of a pocket watch, about 1 3/4 inches in > diameter with a ring for a chain. The outside steel case is round, and= > the outer rim is numbered 0 to 500 "plate" on left side and 0 to 130 > "exp" on right side. The inner portion turns and is marked f7 to f90 > "stop" and the other half of circle is 9 to 130 "light". It is made in > England and stamped Watkins Bee Meter in the center of the circle. Does= > anyone know what purpose it has in relation to the bee-keeping industry= > and its value? > David McKinney, Fredericton NB Canada This *must* be some sort of photographic exposure calculator! plate -- for photo plate sensitivity Din/ASA or earlier definition exp -- for exposure time, in seconds?? stop -- for the aperture f number or "stop" light -- for lighting conditions Some of the ranges sound a bit odd to say the least, can any photographic expert out there shed any light? I would guess that the item in question is of from some ealier period, but when? Again expert opinion? Why a *Bee* meter escapes me. cheers Tony -- = Anthony N Morgan Avdeling for Teknologi H=F8gskolen i S=F8r-Tr=F8ndelag N-7005 Trondheim Article 12820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <357DF266.15B9@nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Re: Watkins Bee Meter Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:27:47 +0100 Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-41.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <357e2267.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-41.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12820 David McKinney wrote in message <357DF266.15B9@nbnet.nb.ca>... >A friend came into possession of a Watkins Bee Meter at a recent auction >sale. It is about the size of a pocket watch, about 1 3/4 inches in >diameter with a ring for a chain. The outside steel case is round, and >the outer rim is numbered 0 to 500 "plate" on left side and 0 to 130 >"exp" on right side. The inner portion turns and is marked f7 to f90 >"stop" and the other half of circle is 9 to 130 "light". It is made in >England and stamped Watkins Bee Meter in the center of the circle. Does >anyone know what purpose it has in relation to the bee-keeping industry >and its value? >David McKinney, Fredericton NB Canada The terms 'exp' (exposure?), 'f' numbers, 'stop', and 'light', would suggest it is some kind of light meter (or 'calculator') for photography.......even plate, as in 'photographic plate', which were glass plates, before flexible film was invented........ Maybe not much help, but the terms were all familiar... -- KJ@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk 'Smibatnmybolnimgoinome Article 12821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Q for TBH enthusiasts Date: 8 Jun 1998 16:55:02 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6lh516$30r@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6l7sn7$6ng@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12821 Top bar hive. I don't have the URL's in front of me but if you do a search on "top bar hive beekeeping" you will find a lot if info. Sounds like an interesting setup for a hobbyist. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! > > What's the meaning of TBH ? > -- > Benoit MARTIN > B-5000 Namur (Belgium). > Email: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be > Article 12822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Watkins Bee Meter Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998061013080000.JAA09442@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1998 13:08:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <357DF266.15B9@nbnet.nb.ca> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12822 Sounds to me like a circular slide rule "B" on a camera is for Bulb - the pickle you squeeze for manually tripping the shutter. Article 12823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: Tue, 09 Jun 98 14:13:43 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <17F70C81BS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12823 In article <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> "Lisa" writes: > >I would like to have a "Double Screen" . Double Screens are more correctly called Snelgrove Boards (credited to L.E. Snelgrove). In addition to Brushy Mountain you will also find Snelgrove boards at Betterbee in Greenwich, NY 1-800-632-3379 Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 12824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Tue, 09 Jun 98 14:26:53 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 119 Message-ID: <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12824 In article <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> Elroy Rogers writes: >... There is already an effort to quiet every >one that talks about mineral oil on the internet, bee-l no longer allows >it on the list because it offends the scientists on the list. This main >reason for the list to switch to a moderated (censored) list is to keep >controversial issues off, which is a request of the researchers. > >I hope Adam doesn't go the route of censoring the news group. > >Elroy > I know I'll regret this, but as the owner/editor/moderator/dedicated slave of BEE-L I find these coments EXTREMELY offensive. First, BEE-L is NOT censored, it's moderated. There is a big difference that simply seems beyond Elroy's ability to grasp. There has been no, none what-so-ever, NADA attempt to silence anything that anyone has to say on BEE-L. The specifically mentioned discussion (mineral oil as a treatment for varroa) was originally announced on BEE-L by the man doing the work, Pedro Rodriquez, DVM and the announcement and subsequent discussion has been near exhaustive regarding Dr. Rodriguez's work and experiment design. There was NO effort to silence the good Dr. and every opportunity was extended to him to allow him to disseminate his findings. In fact, Dr. Rodriguez left BEE-L because he could not keep up with the volumes of discussion and continue his work at the same time. Anyone willing to do the work can get the whole story by joining BEE-L and searching the archives. The discussion was free and open and extensive. The decision to make BEE-L a moderated list was one I made after long resisting the cries to do so. What finally had me make BEE-L a moderated list was the repeated futile requests to have posters follow accepted rule of netiquete. The straw that broke the camel's back were REPEATED repostings of previous material to add a line or two of additional comment. Repeated requests to modify writing style were ignored and it was not until control was enforced that excessive quotes ceased. AND excessive requoting ceased within days of implementing the controls. Since BEE-L has been moderated it has become a much better forum. Excessive requoted material is no longer there. Off topic comments are no longer there. ELROY ROGERS is no longer there! For the records, the guidelines for acceptable postings to BEE-L are appended below. Within those guidelines, any and all discussion is welcome. As always, the discussion is free and open and everyone is invited to participate. For those who left BEE-L because it became too chatty/flamy/off topic/noisy, I invite you to examine again what a valuable medium it is. For those who care to throw stones at the efforts of those who provide the service I'm thankful for you to stay away. Sincerely, Aaron Morris Bee-l Owner/Editor/Moderator Since BEE-L has been a moderated list it has become aparant that there are 6 catagories of inappropriate postings which result in the submission being returned to the sender. Those catagories are listed below, followed by the short rejection notice that may be returned to sender. 1. Excessive Quoting: Your post to BEE-L is being returned beacuse it contains an entire quote of a previous submission. Excessive quoting clutters up the BEE-L archives and is considered bad nettiquite. Please edit the quoted material so that it only includes that which is pertinent to the point you are making and resubmit your article. Thank you for helping to make BEE-L a better list. 2. Article submitted as an HTML document. Your submission to BEE-L was rejected because it was sent as an HTML document. Please if you will, resend your post as "text only" Thank you for your continued participation on BEE-L. 3. Personal response sent to the entire list Your recent submission to BEE-L is being returned to you as it is a personal response to a previous post. Your response should be sent to the author of the previously posted material. Thank you for your continued participation on BEE-L. 4. File Attachments not allowed Your submission to BEE-L was rejected because it contains a file attachment of unknown type that: a. may not be readable by all mailers b. adds nothing to the content of your post. Please if you will, resubmit your post without the attachment. Thanks you for your continued participation on BEE-L. 5. Service request sent to the list rather than the server Your submission to BEE-L is being returned to you because it is a request for service which should be sent to the server (LISTSERV@cnsibm.albany.edu), not the list (BEE-L@cnsibm.albany.edu). 6. Off Topic Your submission to BEE-L has been rejected because it is not related to the 'Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology'. Article 12825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!130.185.14.35!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9mm cell and varroa Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:17:42 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 32 Message-ID: <357C0096.4482@nt.com> References: <3577F727.96472D7A@csi.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12825 Carl J. Rock wrote: snip > and the cell size of the Pierco was 5.2mm. The discussion progressed to > varroa and smaller brood cell. > > I had read an article a few weeks ago that mentioned smaller cells > were somehow linked to effect varroa population but included neither > data nor conclusion. The supplier offered further information that > seems plausible. > > What he had read was a study on varroa resistant bees somewhere in > Russia was concluding a smaller brood cell size, 4.9mm nominal, seemed > key and apparently what happens is the smaller bee matures a day or more > sooner disrupting the varroa cycle. snip The easter honey bee (apis cerana) develped alongside of varroa and co-exists because the bees gromm each other, damaging the varroa mites in the process and crucially spend a shorter time in the form of brood. This latter trait results in less varroa produced during each brood cycle, our honey bee (apis mellifera) developed independant of varroa so does not naturally have any defences against it. I don't know whether apis cerana has smaller cell size than apis mellifera and I doubt that the bees would build smaller cells for brood just because the impressions start off smaller, they do after all modify standard cell size impressions to produce drone brood if they want drones. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!emph.com!alyn From: Alyn Ashworth Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey in cappings Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:49:43 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Message-ID: <4PW0CGAXgAf1EwTP@emph.com> References: <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk:158.152.242.226 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 897321032 nnrp-09:26501 NO-IDENT emphasys.demon.co.uk:158.152.242.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12826 In article <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com>, HNNutt writes >Another dumb begginer question. I extracted yesterday and ended up with a 5 >gallon bucket about 3/4 full of cappings with honey mixed in. There appears to >be several quarts of honey in this stuff. With little or no equipment and less >knowledge, what's the easiest and quickest way to seperate the honey? You could wash through in the minimum possible amount of water, then make some mead from the result, topping-up if necessary with water or honey. -- Alyn Ashworth Article 12827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.com!udel-eecis!not-for-mail From: saunders@eecis.udel.edu (Dave Saunders) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: 10 Jun 1998 11:50:30 -0400 Organization: University of Delaware, Newark Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: algol.cis.udel.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12827 In article <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, Aaron Morris wrote: >... > >Since BEE-L has been moderated it has become a much better forum. >Excessive requoted material is no longer there. Off topic comments are >no longer there. ELROY ROGERS is no longer there! > I'm sorry, but that last sentence DOES look like censorship! >... > > 6. Off Topic > > Your submission to BEE-L has been rejected because it is > not related to the 'Informed Discussion of Beekeeping > Issues and Bee Biology'. That word "Informed" requires a judgement, i.e. censorship. I can imagine that Elroy Rogers may be quite a pest, but I see his rantings about the research community as being at least on topic. These comments notwithstanding, I liked your post and because of it I intend to join BEE-L again. Cheers and appreciation for the difficult task of moderating a list. -dave saunders Article 12829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!denver-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!herald.mines.edu!not-for-mail From: Brian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: splitting hive - finding queen Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:35:14 -0600 Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 21 Message-ID: <357ED1E2.33173819@mines.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: metsb.mines.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12829 I have ordered two new queens with the plans of splitting one of my hives to make three hives. I had initially planned to split the hive three ways a week or so before the queens arrived, and by checking for eggs determining which hive still had the old queen thereby knowing which hives should receive the new queens. Unfortunately, some things came up and I didn't get the splits done on time. So, since I am not good at finding queens, I am wondering if it would be possible to find a queen by placing a caged queen in the hive, closing the hive for a short time, then reopening the hive and looking at the cage with the new queen. It seems to me that the old queen will smell the new queen and I should be able to easily find her on the new queen cage trying to kill the new queen. Then I can cage the old queen as well, make the split, and ensure each split gets one and only one queen. So, will it work? Will the old queen come to the bait? Or will the queens still try to fight by stinging through the screen wire causing me to lose one of them? Brian Article 12830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!in4.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protective Garments for Beekeepers Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:01:18 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6lmlhm$kp1$2@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-84.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12830 Mountain Bee Products of South Africa --- Beekeepers specializing in the Manufacturing of Protective Garments for Beekeepers Worldwide http://www.birker.com/BLB/Beekeeping/mountain.html Contact Robin Mountain at mountbee@iafrica.com begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:57:20 -0400 Organization: NorthWest Nexus Inc. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <357EACE0.78CB@povn.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6lje08$i7i$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp242.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12831 Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > > I hope Adam doesn't go the route of censoring the news group. > > > > I doubt he will as he has given NO signs of it yet that I have seen. Some > moderated groups definitely improve the quality of posts thereon however. > Take rec.h-nting as an example - without moderation it got bogged down with > posts by bashers on the attack rather than discussions of hu-ting which it is > for. (letters dropped to prevent searchers from finding the word hereon and > bashing) If that sorta thing was happening here then moderation would help - > since it ain't happening here we don't need nor desire moderation of the ng. > We are lucky too as this group stays on topic and avoids flame wars better > than most - even when debates arise the participants tend to leave the debate > on speaking terms though perhaps still of the same opinion as when the > debate/discussion ensued. Since opinions based on experiences are liable to > differ dramatically it would be mighty odd if we all agreed about every > blooming thing. Yo Jack: The flip side of this coin is that rec.h-nting is about to go belly-up due to the moderator not being able to keep up with the posts. Maybe in the final analysis it will boil down to either having a forum which is abused by a few, forcing the rest of the participants to discover how to use their delete key, or the total loss of the group. Like you point out, so far this is not a problem on sci.ag.bee.etc. and maybe by *self*-moderating we can keep it that way. Of the dozen or so news groups that I either have taken part in the past, or are currently participating in, I would rate sci.bee as being the most mature, subject-oriented and downright helpful of the lot. Thanks for a great post, Skip Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 12832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 15:40:57 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <357C4C59.25A21424@fcbl.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> <6kvuo4$1hq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35741CEA.E1662B69@fcbl.net> <357AA617.1F366E99@swbell.net> <357B5703.836FF16@fcbl.net> <357BD020.19D1@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897322997 EDOBMGQ.FB030D018C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12832 Today I found the old queen and reluctantly killed her. sniff sniff. I looked for the new queen and didn't see her, all the field force had rejpined that hive so it was pretty aggressive still. I hope they didn't kill her. I did see a lot of eggs though maybe all the available combs were filled. I placed a piece of newspaper between the bodies and put the old body on top of the new one. I will check in a few days for the queen and/or eggs. Larry tomas mozer wrote: > don't know where you live, but have you considered the possibilty of > africanization? if you have an apiary inspection service, they will > analyze a sample of worker bees (send the dead queen as well)...it may > be of more than academic interest to find out...good luck! Article 12833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ntemplar@aol.com (NTemplar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oil Seed Rape Honey Required in UK Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998061021004900.RAA24214@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1998 21:00:49 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12833 I wish to purchase OSR honey as this year I only took 70 lbs. I am willing to collect in any of the following UK postcodes B BA BS CF CV DY GL HR LE LD MK NN NP OX SA TF SN WR WV WS. Cash price will depend on qualtity quality & current storage (jars or tubs). Positive replies only please. Thanks Nick Article 12834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!newsspool.sol.net!newstank.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beefriend@aol.com (Beefriend) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Famous Beekeepers Date: 10 Jun 1998 21:55:03 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998061021550300.RAA00746@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <1998060903393000.XAA28209@ladder03.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12834 On occasion, some one asks about famous beekeepers. I've just come across a new name to add to the list. In the book "Producing, Preparing, Exhibiting and Judging Bee Produce" by W. Herrod-Hempsall that I have been reading lately, the author recounts two incidents where Lloyd George (former Prime Minister of Great Britian, 1916-1922) received first prizes for his honey because the judges were aware of the identity of the exhibitor. Do you suppose he gave any honey to Buckingham Palace? Cheers, David Morris Laurel, Md Article 12835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.207.0.26!nntp.giganews.com!news-feeds.jump.net!solomon.io.com!globeset.com!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!digex!news.sssnet.com!news From: "Don Zickefoose" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Date: 9 Jun 1998 20:12:25 GMT Organization: SSSNet, Inc. News Server Lines: 39 Message-ID: <01bd93e4$757880a0$519e75d1@zickefoo.RACleMail> References: <6lf9sm$2s3$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> <6lh884$mer@ednet2.orednet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: massillon-158-81.sssnet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12835 I have a township lot that is 50' wide, and 175' deep, the neighbors have a swimming pool, my plan is to place my hives directly in my garden at the corner of the lot ~60' from the neighbors swimming pool. I live in Ohio. Does anyone see any problems with getting started in this environment. Thanks in advance. Richard Yarnell wrote in article <6lh884$mer@ednet2.orednet.org>... > > In a previous article, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) says: > > >In article <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net>, len@sonic.net says... > > >>How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to > >>to live comfortably? > > >You have replies that indicate you could have the hive in VERY close proximity > >to family activities. Though such is possible, don't do it. On the other hand > >don't worry. If you have an acre you are in good shape. > > Much smaller lots can provide safe and neighbor friendly sites. In > addition to all the help you've received here, be sure to check with your > local government to be sure you're in compliance with its rules. (In > Portland, for example, the hives must be at least 25' from any residential > building and 50 feet from any public road or sidewalk.) > > _If_ someone should be injured by your bees (unlikely) and it is found > they are not sited in accordance with local ordinances, you're much more > likely to be found liable than you would be if you've sited your bees with > proper clearances, etc. > -- > > Article 12836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 06:30:09 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 68 Message-ID: <357BE761.4DA1@juno.com> References: <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.70.206 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897323321 OCZ7E7JIA46CED11BC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: John Caldeira CC: mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12836 these experiments were conducted as part of a study to evaluate varroa resistance to fluvalinate, the active ingredient in apistan...an abstract appears in the proceedings of the american bee research conference (baxter et al.,am.bee.j.138:291); discussions by eischen have appeared in several recent a.b.j. issues, as well as an overview of the situation in the april '98 "apis" newsletter available on-line at: http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm. the results are somewhat confusing even in the context of what has been reported, and out-of-context interpretations even more so, but here are some ever so cautiously worded excerpts anyways: from the abstract,"...evidence demonstrates that some varroa populations in the u.s. are becoming resistant to fluvalinate." from the newsletter,"...misuse of fluvalinate has probably occurred, as it has elsewhere in the world." the "apis" issue includes a do-it-yourself test for detecting resistance, developed by the usda and presumably soon to be published in the a.b.j., a beekeeper-friendly screening tool complete with researcher-friendly disclaimer...hope this helps! John Caldeira wrote: > > Recent experiments by researchers at the Weslaco Honey Bee Research > Unit (Dr.Frank Eischen and others, U.S. Department of Agriculture) > provides insights on two aspects of Apistan's effectiveness that have > been discussed on this newsgroup in months past: (1) the relative > effectiveness of the old "Section 18" strips and (2) whether > scratching the surface of Apistan strips increases their mite kills. > > 1. Relative effectiveness of the current Apistan versus 10-year old > "Section 18" strips in controlling varroa mites: In an experimental > 24 hour treatment, the following mite kill resulted: > > Apistan Section 18 (1 strip/colony): 1924 > Apistan (current U.S., 2 strips/colony): 1355 > Apistan from Europe (1 strip/colony): 678 > Untreated control: 150 > > This suggests that the old Section 18 strips were, indeed, more > effective in killing varroa mites. > > > 2. Whether stratching/abrading the surface of Apistan strips > increases its effectiveness in killing varroa mites: In an > experiment, Apistan strips were either scratched on one side or both > sides, and compared to unscratched control strips. The researchers > found that unscratched Apistan controlled about 17% of varroa in the > Florida test colonies, whereas one-side scratched Apistan controlled > slightly more and double-side scratched killed twice the number of > mites that the unscratched Apistan did. It was hypothesized that the > increased mite control resulted from increasing the surface area on > the Apistan strips. > > These experimental results were informally described in the Texas > Beekeepers Association's Journal (May/June, 1998). Sample sizes of > some of the treatments were not described. > > Regards, > John > > ================================================ > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ > ================================================ Article 12837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: splitting hive - finding queen Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:59:15 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6lnh63$rjj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357ED1E2.33173819@mines.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.17 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 11 02:59:15 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12837 In article <357ED1E2.33173819@mines.edu>, Brian wrote: > > I have ordered two new queens with the plans of splitting one of my > hives to make three hives. > >Then I can cage the old queen as > well, make the split, and ensure each split gets one and only one queen. My question is: Why do you wish to insure "each split one and only one queen"?? It is invariably too late now to plan to accomplish this but when we do "yard trashing" (same yard split technique - article in ABJ - hmmm when was it - maybe April 1996) we don't make any prolonged effort to find any queens (such efforts are reserved for valuable breeder queens ONLY) but rather we make the splits - confuse the daylights out of the yard by moving EVERY split around (in a circle if on bottom boards - every which way if on pallets that had been in rows) and then the next day (can do it same day) coming back and dropping a protected cell or two in each split. When splits are done while it is warm you use Top Bar Cell Protectors and never have to pull a frame when planting cells. Some of the older queens get superseded via this (around 60-80% if a decent flow is on) and some small percentage of colonies end up with two queens which ain't all bad either. Jack Griffes http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: small hive beetle, Aethina tumida Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:38:50 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 58 Message-ID: <6lnfvq$pej$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.17 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 11 02:38:50 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12838 The following message was sent to BeeBreed (worldwide e-mail list for researchers working to breed bees resistant to mites and disease) by Gard Otis - obviously he forwarded it to BeeBreed as he ain't the author of it as you will note upon reading it. Thought it might be of interest/concern. Best wishes, Jack Griffes ========================================== ========================================== NEW BEE PEST FOUND IN FLORIDA Laurence Cutts, Chief Apiary Inspector for the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Service, reported today that a new exotic pest of honey bees had been discovered in Florida. A sample was submitted by a beekeeper on June 1 which was later identified on June 5, 1998 as being the small hive beetle, Aethina tumida (familyNitidulidae). Cutts reports that the small hive beetle has been found in four operations on the east coast of Florida in the Ft. Pierce and St. Lucie area. A delimiting survey is currently being conducted. Plans are being made to quarantine the infested area. Most of the honey bee colonies from at least one of the known infested operations are currently in Maine for pollination rental. Other colonies from the area have been moved earlier in the year to various locations across the country. It is not yet known whether any beetles were transported with the bees, and if they were transported to other places whether they will survive in cooler areas of the country. The small hive beetle has killed colonies that were apparently strong in Florida. Mr. Cutts described the larvae of this beetle as being the size of the lesser wax moth but looking like a typical beetle larvae with six legs. The larvae apparently feed on a mixture of honey and pollen. In particular, they have been uncapping sealed honey, defecating in the honey and making it unattractive to the bees. Adult beetles are also found in the hive where they are repelled by light and hide in debris on the bottom board and between frames and hive boxes. Colonies have been found with 100's of adult beetles and 1,000's of larvae. Aethina tumida larvae leave their host colony and burrow into the ground to pupate. Control of this beetle could probably by made while it is out of the hive and in the ground. Pest control products made for killing mole crickets or fire ants (Diazinon) would probably kill this beetle. The literature reports this beetle as being as destructive as the wax moth where it is widely distributed in tropical and subtropical Africa. Both larval and adult stages cause damage in colonies. However, in Africa there are few beetles reported in strong colonies with the beetle normally attacking weak colonies and stored equipment. The adult beetle is shiny brown to black and is about 0.5 cm in length. Fermenting fruit is reported to be attractive to the beetle. Submitted by I. Barton Smith, Jr., State Apiary Inspector, Maryland Department of AgricultureJune 8, 1998 -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:04:34 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6lnhg3$s32$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6lje08$i7i$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <357EACE0.78CB@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.17 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 11 03:04:34 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12839 In article <357EACE0.78CB@povn.com>, hensler@povn.com wrote: a very nice post which included: >Of the dozen or so > news groups that I either have taken part in the past, or are currently > participating in, I would rate sci.bee as being the most mature, > subject-oriented and downright helpful of the lot. Howdy Skip, Thanks muchly for the high compliment you pay the many particpants on this ng. Ya know it just don't surprise me though as beekeepers tend to be a helpful lot as a "thumb rule" with all due respect and realization that exceptions do occur. Best wishes, Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Book for Beeginner Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998061104075001.AAA11044@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1998 04:07:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6lnhg3$s32$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12840 I am somewhere between beginner and dangerous as a beekeeper but someone asked about a book How to keep bees and sell honey- from Walter Kelly A lot of the questions I learned answers to the hard way or the slow way are covered in this book. $5.00 from Walter Kelly CO which I think is a bargain Tom in CT Article 12841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!elrnd1.el.dow.com!165.216.8.37 From: "Lisa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: 10 Jun 98 08:45:59 GMT Organization: DowElanco Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bd9476$1891c4e0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> <357DF2B7.B605BF86@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: elinet1.dowagro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12841 Larry; What I want to use it for is as a temporary divide in one hive. I'm going to put a new queen in the top and have the old queen below. I want to keep the two sets of bees separate so that the ones with the old queen don't kill the new one. This way I can get the new queen established on her own but without completely separating the hives so that the two sets of bees recognize each other when I put them back together. Lisa Larry Williard wrote in article <357DF2B7.B605BF86@fcbl.net>... > Can you tell me what is the advantage of this method over a double hive or 2 > single hives? > Thanks > Larry > Article 12842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsroute.bconnex.ca!beaker.tor.sfl.net!news.rdc1.on.wave.home.com!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.wa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <357F92A2.4D1EC99A@home.com> From: H Tait Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dead bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:08:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: cs689223-a.sshe1.sk.wave.home.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:08:01 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12842 I made about 40 nukes about 2 weeks ago and went out today todayto see how they were doing. Everything was fine except for one hive. All the capped brood were partialy uncapped and were dead and white. So I thought ok some of the cold weather we had last week chilled the brood. But on the bottom board there were about 200 adult dead bees. If it was the cold they should'nt have been affected. There are 40 other hives in this yard that show perfectly normal I thought maybe pesticide but it should have affected other hives in the yard. Any ideas appreciated Thanks Hugh Tait Article 12843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "petty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: splitting hive - finding queen Date: 11 Jun 1998 05:55:25 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <01bd9525$4533e780$cf003dce@pettyben> References: <357ED1E2.33173819@mines.edu> <6lnh63$rjj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.61.0.207 X-Trace: 897544525 FJ6/YA4JN00CFCE3DC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12843 what is a "protected cell: and what are Top Bar Cell Protectors? Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote in article <6lnh63$rjj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >by moving EVERY split around > (in a circle if on bottom boards - every which way if on pallets that had > been in rows) and then the next day (can do it same day) coming back and > dropping a protected cell or two in each split. When splits are done while > it is warm you use Top Bar Cell Protectors and never have to pull a frame > when planting cells. Some of the older queens get superseded via this > (around 60-80% if a decent flow is on) and some small percentage of colonies > end up with two queens which ain't all bad either. > > Jack Griffes > http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ > > Article 12844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!wilbur.sequent.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "petty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kashmir Virus Date: 11 Jun 1998 06:13:17 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01bd9527$c437db20$cf003dce@pettyben> References: <6lkee4$20ke$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.61.0.207 X-Trace: 897545597 FJ6/YA4JN00CFCE3DC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12844 there were a lot of articles written in various journals about Kashmir Virus- mostly in 1996- do you have access to Apicultural Research, Apidologie, American Bee Journal, Apiacta? I may go outside of my limits here, but evidently Kashmir Virus (along with Acute Paralysis Virus and perhaps some others) exist as inapparent infections in honey bee populations. when the population is infested with Varroa the virus occurs in greater quantities. . there is work being done in The Netherlands on the realtionship between honey bee viruses and infestation with varroa. their web site is www.res.bbsrc.ac.uk/entnem/about/projects/varroa/varnorm2.htm flemming rasmussen wrote in article <6lkee4$20ke$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk>... > Is here anyone who nows somthing abut "kashmir virus".We have heard here in > Denmark , that in Australia is wery manny > bees dead of virus, that is infektet whith the varroa mite. > > Reagards F.Rasmussen. > > > Article 12845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!frankfurt.de.uu.net!main.de.uu.net!news-reader.dortmund.de.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Beekeeper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Date: 11 Jun 1998 12:04:57 GMT Organization: Customer of UUNET Germany; Info: info@de.uu.net Lines: 30 Message-ID: <01bd9530$6ae36c20$LocalHost@markusma> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.155.171.161 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12845 The making the walnut shells solution. One collected the green shells from walnuttree in the autumn, if fall the nuts, hackled she and fills therewith good lockable glass (best 1- liter glasses) until short under the margin. The sum get then with firespirit filled up and good airproof closed. After four weeks has takes one a ready made means that the bees no one damage, but by the odour the we can't Persons with our sense of smell quite determine, the Varroa sells. By the application fly the spirit inside less minutes, what the bees with open floor nothing incommoded. The solution with the paintbrush on the ramming, floor, pages laid on, sell the Varroa mite, when I bring the solution to the application. Update : At 14. and 15.02.1998 could I only all small deaddrop determine and founds no Varroa mite. I keep at the method, want but once more points at, that by the fabrication the solution only green shells come into operation. As soon the shells longer in the grass lie, become this black and are valueless. The solution self sees after four weeks right black from and is usable. I do hope, that I have with this contribution an expedients for the combat the Varroa marked down and wish each bee keeper good luck with his honeybees. Article 12846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees Lines: 71 Message-ID: <1998061112381500.IAA09366@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1998 12:38:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <357F92A2.4D1EC99A@home.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12846 From: H Tait <> If they didn't have enough bees to cluster and protect the brood from the cold, they might not have enough bees to even keep the adults from chilling. But it is the time of year for clover to be blooming in orchard floors. Do you have one near you? It is also the time of year for a broad spectrum insecticide application in orchards. If so, you may have a pesticide hit. Remember, bees are creatures of habit. They follow their scouts at first, but if the scouts led them to clover in an orchard, they probably will continue there through their lifetimes, while other hives may work in the opposite direction. I have often seen bad pesticide hits on some hives in a bee yard, while others showed little or no effect. It just tells you where they are working. (Well, weak hives that aren't foraging much won't get much pesticide exposure, either. That's why pesticide hits from misuse are a good way to reverse your selective breeding.) If you have an orchard nearby, you need to make sure they don't have clover or other weeds that attract bees blooming in the orchard floor. Remember, you have the law on your side, when you discuss this with the grower. He cannot apply pesticides contrary to the label directions, and most insecticides forbid application when bees are foraging in the application area. If he has blooming clover, he's got to remove the bloom by a good mowing before spraying, or kill the clover with herbicide, or apply a non-residual material after the bees are done working for the day. If this happens often, make a video showing the bees foraging on clover/weeds while he is spraying. The call your environmental enforcement folks and report a suspected violation. They will check what material; if the label forbids application while bees are foraging, he will be cited, and perhaps fined. Don't let them do the runaround to keep you hopping at their beck and call. They will want to call you before spraying, and order you to "protect the bees." You can't do that. Hobby beekeepers usually have another job and can't stay home all day. Commercial beekeepers have many yards and can be exposed at multiple locations on the same day. Restraining bees on a hot day, can cause nearly as much damage as a pesticide hit. The label makes it the responsibility of the applicator. All bees must be protected, not just yours. The grower will need the bees again next spring, so use this for more leverage. There are other places than orchards where you could get a hit, but this time of year, the orchard misuse type situation is the most common. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: 11 Jun 1998 12:27:03 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 54 Message-ID: <6loien$ff$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12847 In article <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu>, Dave Saunders wrote: > >I'm sorry, but that last sentence DOES look like censorship! Ack. I envy the future historians when they get to do the internet in the 1990s. They'll have fun with the redundancy that is seemingly built into the human psyche. If one runs a listserv, one may specify whatever one wants, as far as content guidelines-- as Aaron Morris has done with bee-l; ostensibly to improve the effectiveness and utility of the listserv. "Censorship" really isn't an applicable concept as the listserv is public and free--basically one is "invited" to mail letters to bee-l: it doesn't exist for everyone's innate use. Usenet is somewhat similar. Surely anyone can post anything at anytime to any newsgroup--though there are group charters and topical guidelines. As more and more people gain access to the net, more and more greedy, selfish types abuse the "free" aspect of Usenet and public listservs: "Hey, it's there, I'll use it for my own end." Then, since there are so many people, spam happens, off-topic posts happen, trolls occur, and the yammering becomes unbearable. Aaron decided to stop writing the same polite letter, and change bee-l's structure so that it could continue to function as the entity it is: a resource for beekeepers, on the internet. To say that he's "censoring bee-l" is analogous to saying that human vaccinations for disease, are facsist. Here on sci.agriculture.beekeeping, posts are read and innapropriate ones are dealt with as described in the spam FAQ that ANYONE may read, as it is on the net. No magic, no moderation, just hard work. Getting a big eight newsgroup to become moderated is not any small feat-- a netizen cannot just "moderate" a newsgroup. There's a huge, laborious process, debate, vote etc. etc. As is good internet policy, before you state your opinion, perhaps you should research the situation--most probably someone has already said what you are planning to write, and the points have already been discussed. FAQS, news.answers.* newsgroups, and web sites devoted to internet use exist. One needs only to read what's there and help themselves. It wasn't too long ago that besides bee-l there were no internet beekeeping resources, besides a few tiny text files residing in some weird, back-water ftp sites. Look at the beekeeping net now. Fantastic: as it should be. We're all interested and helping each other-- let's keep on doing this. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Lines: 61 Message-ID: <1998061112534500.IAA10376@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1998 12:53:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bd9530$6ae36c20$LocalHost@markusma> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12848 From: "Beekeeper" <> Dear Mr. Marbach: I realize English isn't your native language, so I appreciate your effort in posting this. There is a lot that I don't understand though, so maybe we can work at this together. It sounds as if you are collecting the hulls (the soft green outside layer around the walnuts, not the shells), and making a treatment for varroa. You are breaking up the hulls, and filling widemouth glass jars with them, sealing, then placing them in the sun. Is this to "cook" out a gas from the hulls? By "spirit" you mean gas? Or do you add water to make a solution? How are you releasing this agent into the hives? I don't comprehend "fly the spirit." Please explain further. I am a slow student, and the teacher may have to explain some more...... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Filling an empty hive (Conjecture!) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:14:17 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-35.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-35.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12849 Let's say there are about 30,000 bees in a hive, and on a particular day, when the weather is variable, and there are about 300/500 bees foraging, or at least outside the hive. Then, say, I catch any honey-bees which appear in my garden, and put them in my empty hive. It may be a few minutes before it finds its way out, during which time it will have detected, and maybe 'picked up' the smell of the fresh foundation. Say I do this regularly, so assume there have been bees from different colonies. Got all that? OK. Question.....What do you reckon the chances are of one of these bees passing on this information, so that a future swarm may be *aware* of a potential new home? I know swarms send out 'scout bees' to find 'premises', but I mean, specifically, before swarming is imminent. I already suspect what the answer will be, but would like to hear what others think. -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis"-"Ne Cede Malis" Article 12850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <357FE024.888FB34D@csi.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:48:21 -0400 From: "Carl J. Rock" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives References: <6lf9sm$2s3$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> <6lh884$mer@ednet2.orednet.org> <01bd93e4$757880a0$519e75d1@zickefoo.RACleMail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!ais.net!ais.net!jamie!ix.netcom.com!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-ntawwabp.compuserve.com Lines: 77 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12850 If not incorporated, it would be under jurisdiction of the township/trustees. It's not likely you'll find a restriction in township regulations, more likely you'll find the opposite, something to the effect; apiary and activities related to bee husbandry...shall be permitted...la-de-da, la-de-da, etc. Contact township trustees, they're usually listed in front of local phone directory. Columbus area city, Worthington I beleive, has city regulations prohibiting apiaries. Generally, larger incorporated areas require landowners to eliminate feral colonies of all types of stinging insects with exemption for apiaries. Bees require water to re-hydrate food stores. The bees will likely use the pool water when no other source is readily accessible. You should provide a continuous fresh water source near the hive, a few feet or so. A shallow container with a few rocks above water level and gallon or more per day reservoir. This will not prevent every bee from visiting the adjacent pool but will help reduce the total number to what would be an acceptable level, say if it were a feral colony located within a mile or two. If you're concerned about personal liability re. bees on your property, contact a lawyer (preferably with county residence), especially if anyone in the immediate vicinity or their guests are know to be allergic to bee venom. Only an experienced practicing lawyer can properly instruct you on limiting your liability. The State of Ohio requires you register your hives regardless of the number, check with county USDA or contact county extension service. Registration is $5.00 for each apiary location, unlimited number of hives/location. The Ohio Beekeepers Association would be another good contact. Carl Central Ohio, USA Don Zickefoose wrote: > I have a township lot that is 50' wide, and 175' deep, the neighbors have a > swimming pool, my plan is to place my hives directly in my garden at the > corner of the lot ~60' from the neighbors swimming pool. > I live in Ohio. > Does anyone see any problems with getting started in this environment. > Thanks in advance. > > Richard Yarnell wrote in article > <6lh884$mer@ednet2.orednet.org>... > > > > In a previous article, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) says: > > > > >In article <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net>, len@sonic.net says... > > > > >>How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to > > >>to live comfortably? > > > > >You have replies that indicate you could have the hive in VERY close > proximity > > >to family activities. Though such is possible, don't do it. On the other > hand > > >don't worry. If you have an acre you are in good shape. > > > > Much smaller lots can provide safe and neighbor friendly sites. In > > addition to all the help you've received here, be sure to check with your > > local government to be sure you're in compliance with its rules. (In > > Portland, for example, the hives must be at least 25' from any > residential > > building and 50 feet from any public road or sidewalk.) > > > > _If_ someone should be injured by your bees (unlikely) and it is found > > they are not sited in accordance with local ordinances, you're much more > > likely to be found liable than you would be if you've sited your bees > with > > proper clearances, etc. > > -- > > > > Article 12851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!udel-eecis!not-for-mail From: saunders@eecis.udel.edu (Dave Saunders) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: 11 Jun 1998 10:47:46 -0400 Organization: University of Delaware, Newark Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6loqmi$4sv$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6loien$ff$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: algol.cis.udel.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12851 In article <6loien$ff$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Adam Finkelstein wrote: >,,, > >If one runs a listserv, one may specify whatever one wants, as far as >content guidelines-- as Aaron Morris has done with bee-l; ostensibly to >improve the effectiveness and utility of the listserv. "Censorship" really >isn't an applicable concept as the listserv is public and free--basically >one is "invited" to mail letters to bee-l: it doesn't exist for everyone's >innate use. > First of all, I have no problem with rhe running of bee-l. Aaron Morris' is doing a fine job there. In particular, based on his communication to me, I can say that my concern was unfounded that some individual would be excluded from bee-l just for being who he is. Secondly, it is clear that the on-topic principle that posts be "informed" is not applied as a filter. The only filter applied is that posts bee about bees. The term "informed" as used by Aaron should be construed as a healthy suggestion that we think twice before posting. However, the _concept_ of censorship certainly applies to moderated listservs. If ANY posts are filtered out (and thank goodness some are on bee-l), then the question of censorship can arise, censorship being the rejection of posts in a way that restricts free expression within the community the list serves. Since this is a non-issue regarding bee-l, I'll shut up now on this off-topic matter and go take a look at that colony that seems to have a bad case of chalkbrood. Cheers, -dave Article 12852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Harvey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive sise Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:12:31 -0700 Organization: BCTEL Advanced Communications Lines: 5 Message-ID: <358001EE.E9ABA7EF@cyberdude.com> Reply-To: farmer@cyberdude.com NNTP-Posting-Host: kmlp01m02-75.bctel.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wli.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.vphos.net!news.bctel.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12852 Can anyone inform me if it would hurt to put all of my hive together at one time. I live in very warm area of BC temp aprox 25 to 30 cell. At present time my hive is three frames high and I would like to put three more on top. Thank you for any help you offer Article 12853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Watkins Bee Meter Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:19:14 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <357DF266.15B9@nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 897584976 nnrp-08:1104 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqpHafM04oxRbos> Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wizvax.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12853 In article <357DF266.15B9@nbnet.nb.ca>, David McKinney writes >England and stamped Watkins Bee Meter in the center of the circle. Does >anyone know what purpose it has in relation to the bee-keeping industry >and its value? No relatiom to beekeeping. A friend of mine who is a retired chemist has a couple of them left over from the days he sold them in his shop. They are photographic exposure light meters. They came in a cardboard box with instructions. Value?? Whatever you can get. -- Tom Speight Article 12854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsrelay.netins.net!usenet.cat.pdx.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!elrnd1.el.dow.com!165.216.8.37 From: "Lisa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Date: 11 Jun 98 12:40:22 GMT Organization: DowElanco Lines: 27 Message-ID: <01bd9560$02232a60$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> References: <01bd9530$6ae36c20$LocalHost@markusma> <1998061112534500.IAA10376@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: elinet1.dowagro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12854 Pollinator wrote in article <1998061112534500.IAA10376@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > From: "Beekeeper" > > < > One collected the green shells from walnuttree in the > autumn, if fall the nuts, hackled she and fills > therewith good lockable glass (best 1- liter glasses) > until short under the margin. The sum get then with firespirit > filled up and good airproof closed. I read this as filling the jar of husks with alcohol (firespirit). I see nothing about putting the jar in the sun? > > Is this to "cook" out a gas from the hulls? By "spirit" you mean gas? > > Or do you add water to make a solution? > Hope you can sort this out. Lisa Article 12855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.clara.net!nnrp1.clara.net!not-for-mail From: dgraham@clara.takout.net (David Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Summer Treatment for Varroasis Widely Used in Europe. Date: 11 Jun 1998 19:13:51 GMT Organization: Society of Clock Work Orange Opperatives (EC) Lines: 144 Message-ID: <09980511194536.OUI05.dgraham@clara.takout.net> Reply-To: dgraham@clara.takout.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.80.148 X-Newsreader: OUI PRO 1.5.0.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12855 TO E-MAIL REMOVE TAKOUT This paper was circulated in one of our national beekeeper journals for June this year. I have taken the liberty of posting it because of the interest and discussion which this subject generates and also in the hope that you may find it useful. I also hope that it may generate further positive comment and helpful discussion. All observations on this procedure/method will be much appreciated. Other methods of control ?prevention are very welcome. +++++++++++++++++++++++ Start ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Summer Treatment for Varroasis Widely Used in Europe. This method has already been demonstrated on a video produced by Bayer, the manufacturer of Bayvarol. Formic Acid Treatment is the only treatment to date (apart from heat treatment) which kills the Varroa mite in the Brood cells. Heavy infestations on Varroasis found in German colonies during the summer are treated by a procedure which gives the beekeeper the opportunity to treat his/her bees immediately without contamination of honey harvest and hopefully save the bees by timely intervention. Using formic acid the treatment procedure is extremely simple but requires to be carried out methodically. Equipment required:- 1. A measure of 60% concentrated Formic acid (1 Litre) 2. Acid proof gloves. 3. Safety spectacles or goggles. 4. Suitable particle filter face mask. 5. Suitable piece of absorbent material (a square kitchen sponge will suffice) 6. Large bucket (2 gallon size) full of fresh water. 7. Brood box with floorboard sealed (foam rubber strip will suffice) and a 8. crownboard. 9. Spare brood box and a full complement of drawn brood combs. 10. Coloured drawing pins. Procedure 1. When Varroasis has been diagnosed in a colony nothing is done until early evening at which time the bees are subdued. 2. if the colony is not strong: Supers are removed and the bees are shaken from the frames in these supers in front of the hive. The bees will return to the brood box. 3. If the colony is very strong: All of the supers are removed and the bees shaken from the supers in front of the hive as in para 13. Another brood box filled out with drawn deep frames is placed on top of the original brood box with a queen excluder between the two brood chambers. 4. The honey supers are removed to a bee proof location. 5. The following day or as soon as possible after the above operations have been carried out a spare empty brood box is prepared by placing it on a floorboard with the entrance sealed and air tight (a strip of foam rubber or even a strip of rag will suffice!). 6. A crownboard is prepared such that it can be placed on top of this spare brood box to form a closed lid. This lid is sealed later using masking tape or some other similar adhesive strip. 7. The infected colony is subdued. 8. All of the brood combs in the brood nests are examined. 9. All combs in which most or all of the brood is sealed are identified. Coloured drawing pins are used to mark these combs. 10. All combs which contain mostly unsealed brood are also identified. 11. A suitable absorbent material is placed on the floorboard of the previously prepared empty spare brood box. 12. (a square domestic kitchen sponge is suitable). The following necessary precautions are taken:- A suitable mask, acid proof gloves and safety glasses are worn, and a bucket with fresh water is provided. (If at any time formic acid comes in contact with skin, wash copiously and immediately with fresh water.) When removing gloves after procedures involving formic acid, wash gloved hands completely in fresh water to remove all traces of formic acid from gloves before attempting to remove them.) 1. The absorbent material is soaked with 40ml of 60% (percent) formic acid, using a veterinarians syringe. 2. The crownboard is placed on spare brood box temporarily. 3. All the bees are shaken from the previously identified frames containing primarily sealed brood back into the parent hive. 4. Each frame of sealed brood without bees is placed into the spare brood box containing the formic acid pad. 5. When the brood box is full or all of the selected sealed brood frames are inserted, the crownboard is put in place and taped closed. Making the box airtight. 6. The box is left sitting in sunlight for 90 minutes, the ambient temperature being at least 15c on the day selected for the above procedures. The weather forecast is checked prior to the fumigation being done, forward planning makes it more possible to achieve the desired conditions. 1. After the fumigation exercise is completed the brood combs are replaced in any colony if more than one colony was treated. Gloves and other protection are still worn during this operation. Never be tempted to work with formic acid without suitable protection. 2. The procedure is repeated the following week, fumigating the combs in the infested hives which were identified as having primarily open brood at the previous inspection. The residual formic acid on the returned combs is said to be lethal to the adult mites in the infested colony and appears to go a long way to reducing the adult mite population sufficiently to give the colony the chance to prosper. The adult mite fall in the colonies is checked either weekly or daily as a matter of routine from then on, to plot the progress of any residual infestation. If after around 14 days from the final fumigation the mite fall is more than 5 mites per day the above described procedures are repeated. The supers are returned to the hives around two days after the fumigation is done in each case. Formic acid exists in honey naturally and is no longer viewed as a contaminant by the veterinary authorities in Europe. The dosage of formic acid has to be varied depending on ambient conditions and beekeeper experience. Read all you can about the mite and get to know it well. Only in this way will you be able to keep on top of the infestations which will be a continuous presence in your colonies from the initial find. +++++++++++++++++++ End +++++++++++++++++++ !N3 -- --------------------- From : David Graham On : 06/11/98 at 20:14 Brittish Summer Time Reply: sci.agriculture.beekeeping --------------------- >> IMPORTANT INFORMATION << E-Mail: Only iff you must. Remove >> IMPORTANT INFORMATION << --------------------- Article 12856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 02:48:02 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6lq4op$auh$1@arlington.pe.net> References: <01bd9530$6ae36c20$LocalHost@markusma> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp42.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12856 In article <0 An interesting suggestion, my friend! We have lots of walnut trees here in Heimat (Hemet) California and I know just when the walnuts are green. One important word you used which I did not understand is "firespirit". Is this the same thing as "mineral oil"? Your Friend; Peter Amschel Article 12857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New CONTEST for Beekeepers Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 03:00:17 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <358097fb.18792140@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.35.94 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.35.94 Lines: 38 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.35.94 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12857 NEW CONTEST DO NOT SUBMIT GUESSES TO THIS NEWS GROUP PLEASE! All you have to do is identify the beekeeping commodity that matches the price below. "Price: C&F LONG BEACH USD635.-/MT" Date of offer to sell 6.11.98 If you are new to international business I will help by translating. The net cost of the product delivered to the dock at the Port of Long Beach California is $635.00 (US dollars) a metric ton. If my math is right that's about .30 cents US a US pound but I will leave it for those who know to correct me. I added the date so no one gets the idea the quote is out of the past. The prize is yet to be determined, kind of depends on how fast someone identifies the product, but I guarantee there will be a prize for the winner. RULES> DO NOT SUBMIT YOUR GUESS TO THIS NEWS GROUP. You must log in to the OLd Drones web site and use one of the e-mail things there or use this address: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net In the future I will post a few clues maybe in one of my normal bombing runs to save band width. ttul, the OLd Drone Los Banos, California http://beenet.com/bnews.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 12858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: adamshonco@aol.com (AdamsHonCo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small hive beetle, Aethina tumida Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998061203283700.XAA18923@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1998 03:28:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6lnfvq$pej$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12858 These little buggers are for real. I was at a meeting wed. with the inspectors and other beekeepers to see first hand what they look like and do. It remains to be seen if they will be a problem or if they are just product of our wet and warm winter we had. Article 12859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Jack Kassinger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:29:46 -0400 Organization: Micron Electronics, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3580A0AA.C8A4F050@ix.netcom.com> References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> Reply-To: jack18@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: bin-ny1-12.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Jun 11 10:32:37 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12859 I made one by cutting a 6" circle in a regular inner cover and stapleing screen to both sides of the cover. JACK Lisa wrote: > I would like to have a "Double Screen" . This is an insert which has two > sreens separated enough that the bees on one side cannot touch the bees on > the other side. You can put this between two hives to keep the bees > separate but still make them think it is one hive. It also can have an > entrance cut into one side. > > Can anyone tell me where I can purchase one that would fit a standard > Langstroth hive OR where I can find plans to build one? > > Thanks > Lisa Article 12860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.102.31.251!news.cmc.net!news.efn.org!not-for-mail From: Ray Wiebke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumble bees on the back porch Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:25:19 -0700 Organization: Oregon Public Networking Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3580E5EF.64194964@efn.org> Reply-To: raywie@efn.org NNTP-Posting-Host: dynip03.efn.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12860 We have a couple of bumble bees building a hive on our back porch and need info on the best way to move them. We have an old robe that the cats use for a bed with a deer hide laying on top of that. Appearently the bubblebees thuough that made the ideal location to start a hive. I am nearly completely ignorant on the subject of bees. Since there is such a problem with mites in western Oregon, we don't want to disturb ANY hives. Thanks For the spammers: don't forget to include these people: Fraud Watch: fraudinfo@psinet.com Federal Trade Commission: consumerline@ftc.gov ACCC: sweep.day@accc.gov.au Oh, and while you're at it, here's a taste of your own medicine! admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com Article 12861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!frankfurt.de.uu.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!lovesgrove.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Mark Harries" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: VARROACIDE Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:05:11 GMT Organization: Lovesgrove Research Limited Message-ID: <01bd95f1$fbe9c360$0400a8c0@mark> NNTP-Posting-Host: lovesgrove.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: lovesgrove.demon.co.uk:193.237.50.127 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 897649511 nnrp-08:19644 NO-IDENT lovesgrove.demon.co.uk:193.237.50.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12861 Can anyone give me any infomation about the bioassay method by which Bayer tested their Varroacide Bayvarol during laboratory tests and field trial work? A reference to a journal will be just as good. Thanks Mark Harries Article 12862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!lovesgrove.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Mark Harries" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Bee larval and pupal stages Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:17:28 GMT Organization: Lovesgrove Research Limited Message-ID: <01bd95f3$7a4b7900$0400a8c0@mark> NNTP-Posting-Host: lovesgrove.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: lovesgrove.demon.co.uk:193.237.50.127 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 897650248 nnrp-02:24472 NO-IDENT lovesgrove.demon.co.uk:193.237.50.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12862 Determining the exact larval and pupal stage of Honey bee worker and drone brood can be a headache for the newcomer to bee keeping. I,m wondering is there a fool proof method, perhaps even an illustrated reference published to help? Any infomation gratefully recieved. Thankyou Mark Harries Article 12863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.idt.net!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: waterop@usit.net (Elizabeth Eck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Filling an empty hive (Conjecture!) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:23:54 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <35811d50.2085726@news.usit.net> References: <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: waterop@usit.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.194.171.49 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12863 >OK. Question.....What do you reckon the chances are of one of these bees >passing on this information, so that a future swarm may be *aware* of a >potential new home? 50/50 I have tried that same thing and about half the time it works. -James Article 12864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <35811d50.2085726@news.usit.net> Subject: Re: Filling an empty hive (Conjecture!) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:47:30 +0100 Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-54.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35812e70.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-54.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12864 Elizabeth Eck wrote in message <35811d50.2085726@news.usit.net>... > >>OK. Question.....What do you reckon the chances are of one of these bees >>passing on this information, so that a future swarm may be *aware* of a >>potential new home? > >50/50 > >I have tried that same thing and about half the time it works. > >-James I am pleased to hear that! Because I actually thought it might be nearer to 1 or 2%..........! Are you in an area where there are a lot of hives, though, or only a few? Which might make a big difference...... -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Inporting bugs $ bees Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:30:59 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <358155f5.35431000@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.38 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.38 Lines: 63 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.38 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12865 At 09:28 AM 6/12/98 -0400, you wrote: >Concerning the Hornfaced Bees, I wonder why it is allowed to import/ >study/release the Hornfaced bees in light of the STRINGENT controls >there are on importation of genetic apis material (eggs and sperm, let >alone the actually bees)? The regulations on importation of bees and other insect pests are for you and I, not the government so they bring in what they want when they want. I suspect this is because the US government is make up of cells, now called committees and beekeepers do not work well in cells. Why, because we beekeepers who work everyday with bees all our lives are not equal to government bureaucrats in bugology or beeology and we would bring in bad bees and bugs. All should know that by now as it is the same with the beekeepers use of farm chemicals and that is why we pay maybe 1000% more to have them dosed out to us. We beekeepers can not even be depended on in choosing what stock we would import if we could as this is all handled by committee at the highest level of government. Some say ALgore heads it. There is a roomer that those beekeepers who have slept in Lincoln's bed do have some input but I am also told the last beekeeper who slept in Lincoln's bed did so when Lincoln's was still alive and out of town. Actually there has been many recent confirmed illegal importations of bees and these are the one's that are bringing us the four horseman of beekeeping; disease, pests, predictors, and bee regulators. The last being the fatal one. Most of these importations are man aided, at least in their mode of transportation when they come in by sea and the rest are "wet back" bees who fly across boarders not swim. Nobody has explained why in all these years the good bees always stay at home and obey all international boarder regulations. >Is this not a double standard (rhetorical >question) but I would like to know the reasons for this double standard. >Anyone know? Yes, its the law and the law was written with the above in mind and to protect you from your dumb neighbor who keeps bees and whom you do not know other then he know's nothing about beekeeping. Beekeepers are not mature enough even to use the best government scientist selected stock. This is a near quote from someone big in bee science I will not name as I don't want to start a food fight in this group or have you spit up your pop on the keyboard. Lucky for the beekeepers this person is now retired but we still have to live with the books produced while he was on the public payroll. ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com BTW. The commodity in the BIG SILLY contest is not HONEY, thank GOD for that and this message may contain other clues. It also was not a large inportation of Bee Sperm. (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 12866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!paralynx!paralynx-1!uniserve!not-for-mail From: Frank Curtis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sting Information Needed Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:28:13 -0700 Organization: Golden Valley Foods Ltd. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: abb2d43.dial.uniserve.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12866 We have a discussion going. Given time, can a bee free itself after it has stung an animal, assuming the bee is not brushed or shaken off. For instance if a mouse raided a hive, and was killed in the process, could a bee that stung said mouse free itself??? (We have no lives...) Article 12867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: splitting hive - finding queen Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:03:36 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 42 Message-ID: <6lru28$794$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357ED1E2.33173819@mines.edu> <6lnh63$rjj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01bd9525$4533e780$cf003dce@pettyben> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.35 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 12 19:03:36 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12867 In article <01bd9525$4533e780$cf003dce@pettyben>, "petty" wrote: > > what is a "protected cell: and what are Top Bar Cell Protectors? sorry for not elucidating on that to start with - "protected cell" = a grafted queen cell in a cell protector "Top Bar Cell Protectors" = JZ's BZ's Top Bar (queen) Cell Protectors (available a variety of supply places including from Jim Paysen himself [Tyler, TX] and also from Mann Lake to mention but two) - Jim (JZ's BZ's) offers two types of cell protectors - one is a push-in cell protector with barbed prongs to "push into the comb" down in the middle of the cluster (when it is cool) and the other one that SAVES TIME BY THE BUSHEL (what do you mean they don't measure time in bushels?) is the TOP BAR CELL PROTECTOR (use when it is warm enough ya don't worry about bees clustering nor brood chilling if left out of hive a spell). The Top Bar Cell Protector is designed to fit betwixt the top bars - requiring thusly NOT ONE frame to be removed to plant a cell. How fast can cells be planted thata way, you ask? Me and a FL beekeeper friend's son that I work well with once planted 154 cells in 35 minutes from the time we stopped the truck at the yard to the time we got in the truck to leave the yard - yep including time to start the smoker (1-2 minutes) and for me to slip my veil on (he don't often wear one - a genetic tendency methinks as his Pa don't neither). A bit of calculation will tell you that with 70 man minutes (35 X 2 men) invested in cell planting 154 splits on 6 way pallets that we together spent .45 man minutes (27.27 man seconds) per split planting cells (smoking, de- lidding, planting cell, re-lidding). I will grant you we were pushed for time due to losing light rapidly along with it being in the cooler part of the day not when it was sweltering hot - nevertheless it would have taken A LOT longer had we needed to pull a frame to plant a cell. Hope that answers your questions, Jack Griffes http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small hive beetle, Aethina tumida Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:42:08 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 214 Message-ID: <6lrsq0$56s$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6lnfvq$pej$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.35 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 12 18:42:08 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12868 Some more info courtesy of BeeBreed & BEE-L Best wishes, Jack Griffes ========================= ========================= From: JIM BACH Subject: Hive beetle Gard Otis and all: Garth in South Africa mentioned the beetle on BEE-L so I asked him to provide us with some information. He did some literature search and also provided us with some of his own experience as follows: From: Garth to: BEE-L Subject: Information on hive beetles Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 11:28 AM Hi Troy, James and All: I have just made a trip across to our library (not far actually) and have had a scratch around for some preliminary bits and pieces about the hive beetles. Lundies original paper describing it is at present being repacked due to the amalgamation of one of our satellite libraries but once I find it I will type it out if possible. This is what two other old books have to say. Frank Mays book, 'Beekeeping, including Honey for Health' 1969 says the following: "The Small Hive Beetles (Aethina tumida Murr.), so called to distinguish it from the larger and harmless beetles (Hyplostoma fuligineus) which is often found in beehives in South Africa (SA), appears everywhere in all parts in the tropical and sub-tropical regions of Africa. In SA the insect appears more commonly in the warm regions. Andrew Murray gave this beetle a name in 1867, but it was Dr. A.E. Lundie, an SA entomologist, who in 1940 wrote the first treatise about the beetle as a bee plague. Like wax moths, the larvae of the hive beetle mostly causes trouble in weak colonies and in stored combs, but the plague is really not serious. "Although some of the beetles are light brown when they creep out of the ground most of them are black by the third day. These insects generally fly within the first week of their lives to the beehive. They are found in any place in the hive, but they have a preference mainly for the back part of the floor of the hive. Perhaps this is because they are less disturbed by the field bees. The female beetles lay their eggs in regular small heaps in or upon the bee-bread in the combs or in the cells nearby. (Interjection - I recall somebody mentioned on the list that they saw something like this?) The eggs are pearly white, arch-shaped and look almost like those of the honey bees, but are somewhat smaller - about two thirds as large. They hatch out within two or three days. Within ten to sixteen days the larvae are full grown and they migrate to small holes in the ground. If the hive is much infected the migratory hordes trail stain the hive badly. Within three to four weeks the adult beetles appear. "The larvae cannot live only on pure honey but also on bee bread, or pollen and honey. The honey on which the larvae gorge becomes thinner and begins to ferment and smells almost like rotten oranges. As the fermentation advances the foaming honey drips upon the hive-floor and if the plague is very severe it runs out through the hive entrance. "If the entrance of the hive becomes blocked, or the hive slopes slightly towards the back, the fermenting mass forms a layer an inch or more thick on the floor. The larvae in this case become so smeared with fermented honey that they looked slimy and revolting and stain everything over which they crawl. "Severely polluted combs which were stored can also be treated with carbon bisulphide (that must stink!!) or paradichlorobenzene - in the same way as for wax moths. Inspect the combs every three weeks. Combs which are slightly infected can be given to strong colonies so that the bees can clean them. Never give them more than two such combs per colony. If the combs are badly infected they must first be cleaned with water under pressure-a garden hose (this would I guess be only good for old combs - Garth) before being given to colonies for cleaning. It rarely happens that the bees succeed in completely ridding a hive of beetles but they are highly successful in removing the larvae from the combs. "According to Dr. Lundie the small hive beetle reacts more quickly to carbolic acid fumes than the bees. They rush out of every opening and crevice in the hive when sensing the acid fumes and can then be killed. This is the only known way of killing them." (at this time - Garth) End of quote That is all that the book had to say. Will scratch around in SABJ a bit and some other books I have at home as well. I hope that helps. Keep well Garth Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis Eastern Cape Prov. South Africa After careful consideration, I have decided that if I am ever a V.I.P the I. may not stand for important. (rather - influential, ignorant, idiotic, intellectual, ill-advised, etc.) ---------- From: Garth To: BEE-L Subject: Re: tips for beetles Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 12:09 PM Hi All: I remembered that I had not answered the post from James yesterday asking about my own tips for the small hive beetle. Firstly - the beetle is a little black thing about the size of the bees abdomen. It has a shiny waxy look. The larvae are light brown/cream things with a brown dot on their nose/anterior end (or whatever it is). They wiggle a lot and can stand heat up to about 80C (176F.) for quite a while - probably an adaptation to breed in fire vacated brood which would not burn because of its moisture content (in veldt fires). A frame gone wrong yields about three to four cups of larvae - I have no idea how the beetle can lay so many eggs - if queens were like that they would be incredible. I believe that a hive beetle infestation is a sign of sloppy beekeeping. (leaving beetle food in places where bees cannot defend them) The article I quoted recently did not mention that the beetles will eat brood. I have found that a hive beetle infestation is most dramatic when they get into the brood. The beetles hide in empty cells in the honey storage area. Very seldom do you find them where the article I quoted says. Usually they are at the top of the super - bees that try to get them out probably supply sugar when they 'lick' the things. If it gets cold they will take advantage of this and lay eggs in uncovered brood. I have had light infestations after cold snaps recently on some hives that I had overfed. I think the bees could not keep the whole brood area warm and the beetles came in and zapped the unprotected brood cells. The larvae then stay underneath the brood capping and are conveniently warmed by the bees while they tunnel around trashing the frame. This can be quite a problem but the bees will usually find it. The main danger is if you have a strong pollen flow and a strong nectar flow. The bees put pollen and nectar in the supers, the bees put nectar over the pollen, and then seal in the eggs which have been laid - and then one has a problem as the bees don't constantly guard the interior of supers and the thing can theoretically get out of control as described in the article. I have tried trapping the beetles by leaving brood out in a pot and then boiling it when larvae were visible. The honey guides loved it but I think it hardly made a dent on the population. The beetles are also surprisingly heat tolerant. The beetles can, I believe, lower honey yields as they take up bee time. House bees are assigned to keeping guard over cornered beetles. You will see them trapping a beetle in observation hives. I have seen as many as five bees guarding one beetle. The beetles hide in the gaps between frames as well. Then the bees propolize the frames making it difficult to get them out. If I see too many beetles in a hive I try to lower the amount of available comb space. Feeding also helps reduce the problem (as long as one does not cause the hive to over expand). The bees cannot remove live beetles interestingly enough - they don't seem to be able to grip the things which are very smooth and shiny. I have also found that if one tries to strap (tie) brood (comb) into frames when doing removals, it often leads to beetle problems as while the bees are all disturbed the beetles sneak in and lay eggs in the brood. (Hence I don't do this.) I believe that bad beekeeping practices, like leaving dead brood around and also leaving pollen filled supers around, can be a problem. Once enough beetle larvae are in a frame it disintegrates into a very warm moosh - at this point the things seem to be able to appear overnight and can destroy a super in three days. In my area we have a problem with short sighted 'bee keepers' who basically charge people money to kill bees in problem places. These hives then multiply the natural population of beetles as there are hundreds of kilograms of unguarded brood. As a result I am forced to do free bee removals so that most of these removals will come to me and then I can stop this multiplication of beetles which spread out to my hives around town. Finally I have also noticed that the beetles can survive in a solar wax extractor over short periods - if one is in an area with frequent cold fronts, it means that they can get a cycle through quite easily (and a lot faster than that article says). Hope this is of help. Keep well Garth Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis Eastern Cape Prov. South Africa -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small hive beetle, Aethina tumida Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 03:52:49 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <35810881.713E@juno.com> References: <6lnfvq$pej$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998061203283700.XAA18923@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.70.227 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897679480 OCZ7E7JIA46E3D11BC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: AdamsHonCo Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12869 check out the pest alert at: http://extlab1.entnem.ufl.edu/PestAlert/mct-0612.htm Article 12870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa in Ireland Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:15:06 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6ls2d4$gj41@kirk.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: p30.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12870 The Irish television news has stated that varroa has been confirmed in the North West of Ireland. Standstill orders have been placed on hives in Counties Sligo and Mayo. I think all Irish beekeepers will appreciate whatever help and advice can be given from those who are already dealing with this pest. Ruary Rudd Article 12871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Repost: Attention all Wisconsin Beekeepers Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1998061222340200.SAA11937@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1998 22:34:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998060716585400.MAA07692@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12871 Good luck on your survey. I don't know if you are aware of the Northwest Pollinator Survey (now in its eleventh year) conducted by Dr. Michael Buregett at Oregon State University Bee Lab. The last two surveys are avaiable at http://members.aol.com/beetools You might also want to track down a copy of a similar survey now conducted by the California Beekeepers Association's Kevin Roberts of Hollister CA. The Northwest survey forms have been mailed to over 350 Northwest beekeepers each year. If you can get a listing of the beekeepers in your area from your state association of the local clubs, you might get a better data base. This type of data is very important and beekeepers should be encouraged to participant. Wouldn't be nice to have similar data from the 50s, 60s, 70s, & 80s? Good luck Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee Article 12872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:00:54 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6lsbqs$7ep$4@victoria.pe.net> References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp01.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12872 Unfortunately for the bee, a decision to sting is a decision to die. In article <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com>, Frank Curtis wrote: >We have a discussion going. Given time, can a bee free itself >after it has stung an animal, assuming the bee is not brushed >or shaken off. For instance if a mouse raided a hive, and was killed >in the process, could a bee that stung said mouse free itself??? > >(We have no lives...) > Article 12873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1998061222505500.SAA18031@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1998 22:50:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <357BE761.4DA1@juno.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12873 There was research done on reusing Apistan strips by Jim Bach who was State Apirist for Washington State. The report on his results (basically that reuse, even sanded strips, was ineffiective) was first published two years ago in the newsletter of the Washington State Beekeepers Association. I republished the same article (with Jim's kind permission) shortly folowing in the BeeLine, the newsletter of the Oregon State Beekeepers Association. On Jack Griffes' comment on dealers breaking up a 100 strips pack to sell smaller quanities, most dealers won't do it because its agianst the law (Federal EPA regs.) and not worth the penalities if caught. As a dealer for this stuff (10 pack @ $21.50 and 100 pack @ $175). Most dealers get no pleasure (and VERY LITTLE PROFIT) on Apistan. Don't get me started on Wellmark and Apistan pricing... It's only four distributors that are making the big bucks off of beekeepers on this stuff. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 12874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> <6lsbqs$7ep$4@victoria.pe.net> Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:06:54 +0100 Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-21.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3581a713.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-21.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12874 Peter Amschel wrote in message <6lsbqs$7ep$4@victoria.pe.net>... >Unfortunately for the bee, a decision to sting is a decision to die. > >In article <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com>, Frank Curtis > wrote: >>We have a discussion going. Given time, can a bee free itself >>after it has stung an animal, assuming the bee is not brushed >>or shaken off. For instance if a mouse raided a hive, and was killed >>in the process, could a bee that stung said mouse free itself??? >> >>(We have no lives...) >> If they sting a human, an animal with particularly tough skin, it is nearly impossible for a bee to remove its sting, though it 'sometimes' happens, but with some animals, their skin is (relatively) weak enough for the bee to pull out and live to sting another day. eg. I had a dog, I saw him being stung on the nose, and the bee flew off, unharmed. The dog never went near the beehive again! -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.wli.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!newsfeed.slip.net!news.slip.net!not-for-mail From: Rasputin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm hived today, have questions... Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:18:15 +0000 Organization: Slip.Net (http://www.slip.net) Lines: 30 Message-ID: <358170E4.57A1@bar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip147.medford.or.pub-ip.psi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12875 Well what a way to learn for the first time! Actually I'm sure it pales in comparison to other people's experience, but anyway, I captured a swarm in a big pine tree today. It took me a few tries, the first two times they just immediately flew right back into the tree, but the last attempt seemed to be it. I got a large number of bees in the hive body, with the rest around it on the plastic sheet I laid down. The hive is still under the pine tree, and bees are filing into it. I gave them some sugar water using a boardman feeder, and have put frames in the box. Now, this is not the location I want the hive at... what do I do now? When should I move them? Should I wait until dusk when they are all in? Or should I just do it now? When I do move them, what else will encourage them to stay? Do I need to reduce the entrance for a while? Should I grab a frame of honey from another hive and give it to them? Any advice is much appreciated. It was a thrill hiving them and now I want them to be very happy in their new home. :) Cheers, Rebecca Bateman ruhue@hoatzin.com Article 12876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mv.net!not-for-mail From: Virtual Mountain Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: request for bee pollen trap plans Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:39:21 -0400 Organization: MV Communications Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3581D849.22727D2B@virtualmountain.mv.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bnh-4-36.mv.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12876 I've looking for any bee pollen trap plans, and would appreciaete any info or pointers to them. Much thanks! Bruce Article 12877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Dugan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:11:49 -0700 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3581FC05.7487@usit.net> References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup50.tnjoh.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12877 Frank Curtis wrote: > > We have a discussion going. Given time, can a bee free itself > after it has stung an animal, assuming the bee is not brushed > or shaken off. For instance if a mouse raided a hive, and was killed > in the process, could a bee that stung said mouse free itself??? > > (We have no lives...) I have no first-hand knowledge, but I've read that bees can remove their stingers with ease from, for instance, wasps, bumblebees, and similar insects with the insect-like "skin", which is not "rubbery" like mammal skin, and so does not grab the stinger. Article 12878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa in Ireland Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:33:28 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 17 Message-ID: <35820F28.6C73@kingston.net> References: <6ls2d4$gj41@kirk.tinet.ie> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 76-g1.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12878 Ruary Rudd wrote: > > The Irish television news has stated that varroa has been confirmed in the > North West of Ireland. > > Standstill orders have been placed on hives in Counties Sligo and Mayo. > > I think all Irish beekeepers will appreciate whatever help and advice can be > given from those who are already dealing with this pest. > > Ruary Rudd They only have to ask. Unfortunatly there are many of use with experience dealing with them. Kent Stienburg Article 12879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:05:13 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6lsq99$omh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357BE761.4DA1@juno.com> <1998061222505500.SAA18031@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.36 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 13 03:05:13 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12879 In article <1998061222505500.SAA18031@ladder01.news.aol.com>, beetools@aol.com (Beetools) wrote: > On Jack Griffes' comment on dealers breaking up a 100 strips pack to sell > smaller quanities, most dealers won't do it because its agianst the law > (Federal EPA regs.) and not worth the penalities if caught. Of course don't get me started on all the blooming "hog-tie sensibility" regulations either. Sometimes I think it requires prior approval if ya need to sneeze these days. Can someone please tell me what "the code" says about that? I feel a sneeze coming on in a week so I best apply for a permit now methinks. Yours for LIBERTY, Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:13:37 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6lsqp1$pdc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> <6lsbqs$7ep$4@victoria.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.36 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 13 03:13:37 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12880 In article <6lsbqs$7ep$4@victoria.pe.net>, amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) wrote: > > Unfortunately for the bee, a decision to sting is a decision to die. While it is most generally true that IF the WORKER bee is stinging a "leathery skinned" mammal the barbs are liable to get caught and cause the "sting" to be pulled out of the worker causing its eventual but not immediate death. Yet you can get "ticked" (slightly stung) and have the worker pull it out. Also when stinging other insects (bees, wasps for example) it is NOT normal for even a worker to loose her sting via so doing. And the queen can sting a person (though she is not very inclined to do so) and pull her much smoother stinger out with no problem. Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1998061304002900.AAA24363@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jun 1998 04:00:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6lq4op$auh$1@arlington.pe.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12881 I believe the man is making a walnut hull tincture much in the same fashion as a cabinetmaker would make natural stain to color in sap streaks in a walnut board. Walnut contains a chemical that protects it from decay and attack called juglone. My guess is that fire spirit is very strong grain alcohol. Article 12882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: mejensen@att.net (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:07:45 GMT Organization: No Junk Mail Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> Reply-To: mejensen@att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.4.80 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12882 My bees tell me saunders@eecis.udel.edu (Dave Saunders) wrote: >In article <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, >Aaron Morris wrote: >>... >> >>Since BEE-L has been moderated it has become a much better forum. >>Excessive requoted material is no longer there. Off topic comments are >>no longer there. ELROY ROGERS is no longer there! >> > >I'm sorry, but that last sentence DOES look like censorship! Is it true that Elroy Rogers has been kicked off the BEE-L? If that is true, Aaron Morris, then you are guilty of a very unwelcome act of censorship. He and Pedro Rodriguez are the two most valuable sources of mineral oil treatment information, and their posts are far more important to me and I suspect most others on the list than anything that you might post. You are deluded if you think that the BEE-L has become a better forum with your censorship. All you will accomplish by that form of censorship is the decline of BEE-L and increase in importance of sci.agriculture.beekeeping. -- Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mejensen@att.net Los Altos Hills California fax 650 941-3488 Article 12883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!ais.net!ais.net!jamie!WCG!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Busy Knight" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New CONTEST for Beekeepers Date: 13 Jun 1998 13:01:31 GMT Organization: Airnews! at Internet America Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6924E84A01F2D56B.30B025E1CDB15D2E.44A5B479C801471E@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <01bd96cb$77ea1940$5b3488cf@larryfar> References: <358097fb.18792140@news.jps.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: librarytest.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Jun 13 08:01:31 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\OD^+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12883 >DO NOT SUBMIT GUESSES TO THIS NEWS GROUP PLEASE! God, I love "breaking rules".... > "Price: C&F LONG BEACH USD635.-/MT" Date of offer to sell 6.11.98 > The net cost of the product...is $635.00 (US dollars) a metric ton. Letme guess: the cost of new, fresh Apistan Strips ???? Article 12884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa in Ireland Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:27:26 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6ltusp$gj418@kirk.tinet.ie> References: <6ls2d4$gj41@kirk.tinet.ie> <35820F28.6C73@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p40.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12884 Kent Stienburg wrote in message <35820F28.6C73@kingston.net>... >They only have to ask. Unfortunatly there are many of use with >experience dealing with them. > >Kent Stienburg As the time of discovery of the infestation in the Country is just before the main honey flow am I right in thinking that Bayvarrol is ruled out as it would contaminate the honey? Does the same thing hold with Apistan? Is the only method of diagnosis during the period of honey production the use of a Varroa screen? If infestation is found would the advice be to use liquid paraffin ( FGMO) until the fall and then use Apistan or Bayvarrol? Is it worth while sing FGMO as a prophylactic and if do should the dosage be by oiled insert or by wick from a storage bottle? Thanks in advance for any help which might be forthcoming. Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie Article 12885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 10:07:51 -0600 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 91 Message-ID: <3582A3C5.812DAA1@Birkey.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.172.37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: mejensen@att.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12885 Mark Jensen wrote: > saunders@eecis.udel.edu (Dave Saunders) wrote: > > >In article <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, > >Aaron Morris wrote: > >>... > >> > >>Since BEE-L has been moderated it has become a much better forum. > >>Excessive requoted material is no longer there. Off topic comments are > >>no longer there. ELROY ROGERS is no longer there! > >> > > > >I'm sorry, but that last sentence DOES look like censorship! > > Is it true that Elroy Rogers has been kicked off the BEE-L? If that is > true, Aaron Morris, then you are guilty of a very unwelcome act of > censorship. He and Pedro Rodriguez are the two most valuable sources of > mineral oil treatment information, and their posts are far more > important to me and I suspect most others on the list than anything that > you might post. You are deluded if you think that the BEE-L has become a > better forum with your censorship. All you will accomplish by that form > of censorship is the decline of BEE-L and increase in importance of > sci.agriculture.beekeeping. > -- > Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mejensen@att.net > Los Altos Hills California fax 650 941-3488 Mark - Isn't this a bit over reacting? Before you go tearing into Aaron Morris and Bee-L, it might be wise to first get a response to your first question. Perhaps Elroy can give the answer to it! He ought to know how he left Bee-L. Aaron just posted here the 6 reasons why someone's post would be rejected on Bee-L. I can't find a single reason why anyone would have a problem with these basic rules for posting to the list. After all, the list doesn't belong to you or me. You could always start your own List if you would like and you're always free to use this public forum if you need to exercise your right to do one of those 6 items that are rejected on Bee-L. I find it interesting that you infer Mr. Rogers and Dr. Rodriguez are no longer on Bee-L because of "censorship" and the result will be an "increase in importance of sci.agriculture.beekeeping." My question to this is, where is Dr. Rodriguez on this newsgroup? You tie the two men together but I don't think Dr. Rodriguez shares your assumptions. I have been in contact with Dr. Rodriguez over the last year or so and value his work and efforts with mineral oil. He left Bee-L on his own this spring and I'm sure he's very busy with his work now. If it was an issue of censorship that caused him to leave Bee-L then why is he not posting to this newsgroup? I think he's busy and I bet he'll be back on Bee-L later this year with more information about work done this summer along with others who are working with FGMO this year. I am not working with FGMO yet because I have yet to see an acceptable method for applying MO to the hive. In fact this is one of the things that Dr. Rodriguez told me he was working on this summer. If you haven't been on Bee-L for awhile, I would suggest you try it again and see if your allegations are true and then report back to this newsgroup your findings. Aaron can speak for himself on this matter, I don't want to put words in his mouth. Regards, -Barry -- Barry Birkey Illinois, USA Article 12886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.clara.net!nnrp1.clara.net!not-for-mail From: dgraham@clara.takout.net (David Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Summer Treatment for Varroasis Widely Used in Europe Date: 13 Jun 1998 17:56:39 GMT Organization: Society of Clock Work Orange Opperatives (EC) Lines: 143 Message-ID: <09980513185616.OUI38.dgraham@clara.takout.net> Reply-To: dgraham@clara.takout.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.80.75 X-Newsreader: OUI PRO 1.5.0.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12886 This paper was circulated in one of our national beekeeper journals for June this year. I have taken the liberty of posting it because of the interest and discussion which this subject generates and also in the hope that you may find it useful. I also hope that it may generate further positive comment and helpful discussion. All observations on this procedure/method will be much appreciated. Other methods of control ?prevention are very welcome. +++++++++++++++++++++++ Start ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Summer Treatment for Varroasis Widely Used in Europe. This method has already been demonstrated on a video produced by Bayer, the manufacturer of Bayvarol. Formic Acid Treatment is the only treatment to date (apart from heat treatment) which kills the Varroa mite in the Brood cells. Heavy infestations on Varroasis found in German colonies during the summer are treated by a procedure which gives the beekeeper the opportunity to treat his/her bees immediately without contamination of honey harvest and hopefully save the bees by timely intervention. Using formic acid the treatment procedure is extremely simple but requires to be carried out methodically. Equipment required:- 1. A measure of 60% concentrated Formic acid (1 Litre) 2. Acid proof gloves. 3. Safety spectacles or goggles. 4. Suitable particle filter face mask. 5. Suitable piece of absorbent material (a square kitchen sponge will suffice) 6. Large bucket (2 gallon size) full of fresh water. 7. Brood box with floorboard sealed (foam rubber strip will suffice) and a 8. crownboard. 9. Spare brood box and a full complement of drawn brood combs. 10. Coloured drawing pins. Procedure 1. When Varroasis has been diagnosed in a colony nothing is done until early evening at which time the bees are subdued. 2. if the colony is not strong: Supers are removed and the bees are shaken from the frames in these supers in front of the hive. The bees will return to the brood box. 3. If the colony is very strong: All of the supers are removed and the bees shaken from the supers in front of the hive as in para 13. Another brood box filled out with drawn deep frames is placed on top of the original brood box with a queen excluder between the two brood chambers. 4. The honey supers are removed to a bee proof location. 5. The following day or as soon as possible after the above operations have been carried out a spare empty brood box is prepared by placing it on a floorboard with the entrance sealed and air tight (a strip of foam rubber or even a strip of rag will suffice!). 6. A crownboard is prepared such that it can be placed on top of this spare brood box to form a closed lid. This lid is sealed later using masking tape or some other similar adhesive strip. 7. The infected colony is subdued. 8. All of the brood combs in the brood nests are examined. 9. All combs in which most or all of the brood is sealed are identified. Coloured drawing pins are used to mark these combs. 10. All combs which contain mostly unsealed brood are also identified. 11. A suitable absorbent material is placed on the floorboard of the previously prepared empty spare brood box. 12. (a square domestic kitchen sponge is suitable). The following necessary precautions are taken:- A suitable mask, acid proof gloves and safety glasses are worn, and a bucket with fresh water is provided. (If at any time formic acid comes in contact with skin, wash copiously and immediately with fresh water.) When removing gloves after procedures involving formic acid, wash gloved hands completely in fresh water to remove all traces of formic acid from gloves before attempting to remove them.) 1. The absorbent material is soaked with 40ml of 60% (percent) formic acid, using a veterinarians syringe. 2. The crownboard is placed on spare brood box temporarily. 3. All the bees are shaken from the previously identified frames containing primarily sealed brood back into the parent hive. 4. Each frame of sealed brood without bees is placed into the spare brood box containing the formic acid pad. 5. When the brood box is full or all of the selected sealed brood frames are inserted, the crownboard is put in place and taped closed. Making the box airtight. 6. The box is left sitting in sunlight for 90 minutes, the ambient temperature being at least 15c on the day selected for the above procedures. The weather forecast is checked prior to the fumigation being done, forward planning makes it more possible to achieve the desired conditions. 1. After the fumigation exercise is completed the brood combs are replaced in any colony if more than one colony was treated. Gloves and other protection are still worn during this operation. Never be tempted to work with formic acid without suitable protection. 2. The procedure is repeated the following week, fumigating the combs in the infested hives which were identified as having primarily open brood at the previous inspection. The residual formic acid on the returned combs is said to be lethal to the adult mites in the infested colony and appears to go a long way to reducing the adult mite population sufficiently to give the colony the chance to prosper. The adult mite fall in the colonies is checked either weekly or daily as a matter of routine from then on, to plot the progress of any residual infestation. If after around 14 days from the final fumigation the mite fall is more than 5 mites per day the above described procedures are repeated. The supers are returned to the hives around two days after the fumigation is done in each case. Formic acid exists in honey naturally and is no longer viewed as a contaminant by the veterinary authorities in Europe. The dosage of formic acid has to be varied depending on ambient conditions and beekeeper experience. Read all you can about the mite and get to know it well. Only in this way will you be able to keep on top of the infestations which will be a continuous presence in your colonies from the initial find. +++++++++++++++++++ End +++++++++++++++++++ !N3 -- --------------------- From : David Graham On : 06/13/98 at 18:57 Brittish Summer Time Reply: sci.agriculture.beekeeping --------------------- >> IMPORTANT INFORMATION << E-Mail: Only iff you must. Remove >> IMPORTANT INFORMATION << --------------------- Article 12887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <358170E4.57A1@bar.com> Subject: Re: Swarm hived today, have questions... Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:12:17 +0100 Lines: 67 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35821fc9.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12887 Rasputin wrote in message <358170E4.57A1@bar.com>... >Well what a way to learn for the first time! >Actually I'm sure it pales in comparison to other >people's experience, but anyway, I captured a swarm >in a big pine tree today. > >It took me a few tries, the first two times they >just immediately flew right back into the tree, >but the last attempt seemed to be it. I got a large >number of bees in the hive body, with the rest around >it on the plastic sheet I laid down. The hive is >still under the pine tree, and bees are filing into >it. > Congratulations! >I gave them some sugar water using a boardman >feeder, and have put frames in the box. Good moves, These will encourage them to stay! Now, this >is not the location I want the hive at... what do >I do now? When should I move them? Should I wait >until dusk when they are all in? Well, yes, but by the time you read this, it will be too late...... Or should I just >do it now? When I do move them, what else will encourage them >to stay? The rule I was taught, when moving bees, is "3 feet or 3 miles". ie. either move them to a site 3 miles away for a few days, then back to where you actually want them, or just move the hive 3 feet at a time, until it reaches the required 'destination'. At any time, but dusk, when they are all in, is definitely best! Do I need to reduce the entrance for a while? Only if there is a risk of 'robbing' by other bees (or wasps, or whatever...) >Should I grab a frame of honey from another hive and > give it to them? You shouldn't *really* give bees honey from another hive in any circumstances, in case of cross infection (especially as your new colony is relatively weak, being a swarm, reduced numbers.......) > >Any advice is much appreciated. It was a thrill >hiving them and now I want them to be very happy >in their new home. :) I'm sure they will be... Of course, this is beekeeping, there could be a hundred other answers (just as valid, or even moreso), and you must bear in mind that the bees appear to read different books to we apiarists! >Cheers, >Rebecca Bateman >ruhue@hoatzin.com hth, (envious, I am waiting to fill a new, currently empty hive myself, though it looks unlikely now ( the weather is not conducive to swarming, here. I'll end up buying a 'nucleus' in al couple of weeks; was hoping to avoid the expense, around £100, for a 6-frame 'nuc'....so anyone in N. Lincs who can help........? (get in touch!)) Good Luck, Rebecca....... -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.wildstar.net!newsfeed.telalink.net!usenet From: beeman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: stolen hives Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:51:51 -0700 Organization: Telalink Corporation, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 30 Message-ID: <35831097.E9B1AB34@vci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pah-pm3-1-130.vci.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12888 FLASH !!! Just in: Between 25 May and 7 June, approximately 1,300 honey bee colonies were stolen from locations in Colorado. They could now be in alfalfa seed fields in the San Joaquin Valley of California or just about anywhere else. DESCRIPTION OF COLONIES: Four colonies per pallet, and either 3 or 2 stories high. At least one story on each pallet is yellow. Some supers will read, (High Mountain Apiaries," "McCollum & Sons," and/or have brand numbers of 4-256 or 4-236. The pallets themselves will be branded 4-256. IF YOU FIND EVIDENCE OF THESE COLONIES, PLEASE CONTACT Mr. McCollum: Richard McCollum (970) 527-3130 1292, 4200 DR. Paonia, CO 81428 Please pass this message on to other beekeepers in your area. Also, I am certain the owner would appreciate a posting of this message on to other news or discussion groups. Article 12889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!news.telemedia.ch!tisdial01.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Date: 13 Jun 98 22:10:16 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 21 Message-ID: <01bd9717$917444c0$c280a19d@default> References: <01bd9530$6ae36c20$LocalHost@markusma> <6lq4op$auh$1@arlington.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12889 Peter Amschel schrieb im Beitrag <6lq4op$auh$1@arlington.pe.net>... > In article <0 > > One important word you used which I did not understand is "firespirit". Is > this the same thing as "mineral oil"? "firespirit" looks a lot like a literal translation of german "Brennspiritus" which is methylated spirit used in small cooking stoves and the like. It is most certainly not "mineral oil". Technically it is a mixture of methyl and other alcohol with some bad-smelling chemical added to prevent this toxic solvent from being consumed by humans. I guess that it was used in the Walnutshell extract recipe as a cheap substitute for high grade grain alcohol. It should definitely not be used for human or animal (including bees) use! francis Article 12890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:48:13 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3582f259.1753063@news.pavilion.net> References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> <3581FC05.7487@usit.net> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup3-1.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 897777097 13797 194.242.131.193 (13 Jun 1998 22:31:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 1998 22:31:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12890 One wonders at the intent of the bee in its evolution in developing a barb, if not to get stuck in its target ? On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:11:49 -0700, Jeffrey Dugan wrote: >Frank Curtis wrote: >> >> We have a discussion going. Given time, can a bee free itself >> after it has stung an animal, assuming the bee is not brushed >> or shaken off. For instance if a mouse raided a hive, and was killed >> in the process, could a bee that stung said mouse free itself??? >> >> (We have no lives...) > >I have no first-hand knowledge, but I've read that bees can remove their >stingers with ease from, for instance, wasps, bumblebees, and similar >insects with the insect-like "skin", which is not "rubbery" like mammal >skin, and so does not grab the stinger. Article 12891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!knife.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news.enterprise.net!not-for-mail From: "David Bolton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa in Ireland Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:57:20 +0100 Organization: Enterprise PLC - Internet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6lv05o$1s3$1@news.enterprise.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: max03-167.enterprise.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12891 I see a report in the Irish Times 13 June 1998, that varroa has been detected in Sligo, wset of Ireland. This is the first detection in Ireland. A sad day for beekeepers here. Dabo Article 12892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:47:30 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6lv6el$ln2$4@market.pe.net> References: <01bd9530$6ae36c20$LocalHost@markusma> <6lq4op$auh$1@arlington.pe.net> <01bd9717$917444c0$c280a19d@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp00.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12892 In article < >"firespirit" looks a lot like a literal translation of german >"Brennspiritus" which is methylated spirit used in small cooking stoves and Thanks, Francis. It was a frais (cool) message, though, from Germany. the Rolling Stones are playing there tonight, at Nuremburg. Article 12893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.184.182.21!tricia!default From: hotopic2@hotmail.com (William Wallace) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inporting bugs $ bees Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 03:20:18 GMT Organization: slow but sure Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6lvf7m$rg5@tricia.msn.fullfeed.com> References: <358155f5.35431000@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8-5.lse.fullfeed.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12893 A really great post, Andy. I love it!!! Now I'll be spitting up pop on my keyboard for a week. Sad but true. Your post will drone by most who don't have a clue, but the barb sticks and the sac won't stop pumpin' poison. We're a nation of weak-kneed panty waisted Monica Lewinskys, on our knees in front of the "Big Jerk" who just can't resist doin' it one more time. In article <358155f5.35431000@news.jps.net>, andy.nachbaur@calwest.net wrote: >Yes, its the law and the law was written with the above in mind and to >protect you from your dumb neighbor who keeps bees and whom you do not >know other then he know's nothing about beekeeping. Beekeepers are not >mature enough even to use the best government scientist selected >stock. This is a near quote from someone big in bee science I will not >name as I don't want to start a food fight in this group or have you >spit up your pop on the keyboard. Lucky for the beekeepers this person >is now retired but we still have to live with the books produced while >he was on the public payroll. > >ttul, the OLd Drone >http://beenet.com > Article 12894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!fastnet!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: dave@scranton.com (Dave D. Cawley) Subject: Re: Yorks Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. References: <35760046.2192@galstar.com> <1998060403152700.XAA27175@ladder03.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <11Jg1.856$1I2.2775065@nnrp2.ptd.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 05:16:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: du89.scr.ptd.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:16:45 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12894 I got a package each of Midnights and Starlines from York last Spring and they have been going like gangbusters ever since! I made a split from the Starlines this spring. They are the prettiest and most gentle bees I've had. Dave Article 12895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> <3581FC05.7487@usit.net> <3582f259.1753063@news.pavilion.net> Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:36:39 +0100 Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-47.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <358399ec.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-47.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12895 Steve Newport wrote in message <3582f259.1753063@news.pavilion.net>... >One wonders at the intent of the bee in its evolution in developing a >barb, if not to get stuck in its target ? > I believe the evolutionary advantage of the barbs, is that they help the sting to 'go in'. The fact that they also prevent it coming out, is just unfortunate. Evolution sometimes plays tricks! But bear in mind that the individual bee is unimportant, and as long as the colony survives, there *is* an evolutionary advantage, also the workers cannot reproduce (normally!), and their 'genetic material' is all in the queen; as long as she survives, the stinging workers genes will survive...(Spock, in Star Trek - "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few!")......... -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1300 hives stolen Colorado Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:38:17 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <3582efbf.75272046@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.11 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.11 Lines: 53 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12896 **from the B-List and I know many will not be interested but also having had a semi load of bees stolen I can not help but feel this beemans pain, its an experience you never want to have.* FLASH !!! Just in: Between 25 May and 7 June, approximately 1,300 honey bee colonies were stolen from locations in Colorado. They could now be in alfalfa seed fields in the San Joaquin Valley of California or just about anywhere else. DESCRIPTION OF COLONIES: Four colonies per pallet, and either 3 or 2 stories high. At least one story on each pallet is yellow. Some supers will read, (High Mountain Apiaries," "McCollum & Sons," and/or have brand numbers of 4-256 or 4-236. The pallets themselves will be branded 4-256. IF YOU FIND EVIDENCE OF THESE COLONIES, PLEASE CONTACT Mr. McCollum: Richard McCollum (970) 527-3130 1292, 4200 DR. Paonia, CO 81428 Please pass this message on to other beekeepers in your area. Also, I am certain the owner would appreciate a posting of this message on other e-mail networks to which I do not subscribe (e.g., SCI. AGRIC. BEEKEEPING). If you do so, please let me know that you have done so directly, not on the BEE-L network. Adrian Adrian M. Wenner (805) 963-8508 (home phone) 967 Garcia Road (805) 893-8062 (UCSB FAX) Santa Barbara, CA 93106 *********************************************************************** * "To cling rigidly to familiar ideas is in essence the same as * blocking the mind from engaging in creative free play." * * David Bohm and F. David Peat 1987 *********************************************************************** (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 12897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk!dave From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:36:45 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> <6lkc1u$ob2$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk:194.222.228.123 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 897814474 nnrp-01:28687 NO-IDENT woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk:194.222.228.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Lines: 27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12897 In article <6lkc1u$ob2$1@supernews.com>, vger writes >In article <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com>, lkeeler@dowagro.com >says... >> >>I would like to have a "Double Screen" . This is an insert which has two >>sreens separated enough that the bees on one side cannot touch the bees on >>the other side. The point being of course that the mesh panels are sufficiently far apart that the bees can't exchange food or 'Queen substance'. It is not the same as a Snelgrove (but more useful!). They are very useful too in establishing two queen colonies if you want to play with these. > Make your own > I've done this and it's fairly easy and it works great. > >mdiver@voy.net Exactly. I do too and they double as transit screens, floors, and crown boards. Not just toys. Rolls and sheets of black epoxy mesh are easily obtained from most beekeeping suppliers for making Varroa floors, vents and so on. Cut to size, fit to frame and presto ! Dave Black Surrey, UK. http://www.guildford.ac.uk/beehive Article 12898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.clark.net!209.69.36.218!news1.ispnews.com!news11.ispnews.com!not-for-mail From: "Len A. Davis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small hive beetle, Aethina tumida Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:44:29 -0500 Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Lines: 67 Message-ID: <6m0nap$e6r$1@news12.ispnews.com> References: <6lnfvq$pej$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: len.pdq.net X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 897835161 14555 209.144.239.210 (14 Jun 1998 14:39:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jun 1998 14:39:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12898 I would like more info on getting on the BeeBreed e-mail list. Thanks. Len Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6lnfvq$pej$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >The following message was sent to BeeBreed (worldwide e-mail list for >researchers working to breed bees resistant to mites and disease) by Gard Otis >- obviously he forwarded it to BeeBreed as he ain't the author of it as you >will note upon reading it. Thought it might be of interest/concern. > >Best wishes, Jack Griffes >========================================== >========================================== > > >NEW BEE PEST FOUND IN FLORIDA > Laurence Cutts, Chief Apiary Inspector for the Florida > Department of >Agriculture and Consumer Service, reported today that a new exotic >pest of honey bees had been discovered in Florida. A sample was >submitted by a beekeeper on June 1 which was later identified on June >5, 1998 as being the small hive beetle, Aethina tumida (familyNitidulidae). > Cutts reports that the small hive beetle has been found in > four operations on >the east coast of Florida in the Ft. Pierce and St. Lucie area. A >delimiting survey is currently being conducted. Plans are being made >to quarantine the infested area. > Most of the honey bee colonies from at least one of the known > infested operations are currently in Maine for pollination rental. >Other >colonies from the area have been moved earlier in the year to various >locations across the country. It is not yet known whether any beetles >were transported with the bees, and if they were transported to other >places whether they will survive in cooler areas of the country. > The small hive beetle has killed colonies that were apparently > strong in >Florida. Mr. Cutts described the larvae of this beetle as being the >size of the lesser wax moth but looking like a typical beetle larvae >with six legs. The larvae apparently feed on a mixture of honey and >pollen. In particular, they have been uncapping sealed honey, >defecating in the honey and making it unattractive to the bees. Adult >beetles are also found in the hive where they are repelled by light >and hide in debris on the bottom board and between frames and hive >boxes. Colonies have been found with 100's of adult beetles and >1,000's of larvae. > Aethina tumida larvae leave their host colony and burrow into > the ground to >pupate. Control of this beetle could probably by made while it is out >of the hive and in the ground. Pest control products made for killing >mole crickets or fire ants (Diazinon) would probably kill this beetle. > The literature reports this beetle as being as destructive as > the wax moth >where it is widely distributed in tropical and subtropical Africa. >Both larval and adult stages cause damage in colonies. However, in >Africa there are few beetles reported in strong colonies with the >beetle normally attacking weak colonies and stored equipment. The >adult beetle is shiny brown to black and is about 0.5 cm in length. >Fermenting fruit is reported to be attractive to the beetle. >Submitted by I. Barton Smith, Jr., State Apiary Inspector, Maryland >Department of AgricultureJune 8, 1998 > >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp1.clara.net!not-for-mail From: dgraham@clara.takout.net (David Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Summer Treatment for Varroasis Widely Used in Europe. Date: 14 Jun 1998 17:53:05 GMT Organization: Society of Clock Work Orange Opperatives (EC) Message-ID: <09980514185255.OUI40.dgraham@clara.takout.net> Reply-To: dgraham@clara.takout.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.80.175 X-Newsreader: OUI PRO 1.5.0.2 Lines: 143 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12899 This paper was circulated in one of our national beekeeper journals for June this year. I have taken the liberty of posting it because of the interest and discussion which this subject generates and also in the hope that you may find it useful. I also hope that it may generate further positive comment and helpful discussion. All observations on this procedure/method will be much appreciated. Other methods of control ?prevention are very welcome. +++++++++++++++++++++++ Start ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Summer Treatment for Varroasis Widely Used in Europe. This method has already been demonstrated on a video produced by Bayer, the manufacturer of Bayvarol. Formic Acid Treatment is the only treatment to date (apart from heat treatment) which kills the Varroa mite in the Brood cells. Heavy infestations on Varroasis found in German colonies during the summer are treated by a procedure which gives the beekeeper the opportunity to treat his/her bees immediately without contamination of honey harvest and hopefully save the bees by timely intervention. Using formic acid the treatment procedure is extremely simple but requires to be carried out methodically. Equipment required:- 1. A measure of 60% concentrated Formic acid (1 Litre) 2. Acid proof gloves. 3. Safety spectacles or goggles. 4. Suitable particle filter face mask. 5. Suitable piece of absorbent material (a square kitchen sponge will suffice) 6. Large bucket (2 gallon size) full of fresh water. 7. Brood box with floorboard sealed (foam rubber strip will suffice) and a 8. crownboard. 9. Spare brood box and a full complement of drawn brood combs. 10. Coloured drawing pins. Procedure 1. When Varroasis has been diagnosed in a colony nothing is done until early evening at which time the bees are subdued. 2. if the colony is not strong: Supers are removed and the bees are shaken from the frames in these supers in front of the hive. The bees will return to the brood box. 3. If the colony is very strong: All of the supers are removed and the bees shaken from the supers in front of the hive as in para 13. Another brood box filled out with drawn deep frames is placed on top of the original brood box with a queen excluder between the two brood chambers. 4. The honey supers are removed to a bee proof location. 5. The following day or as soon as possible after the above operations have been carried out a spare empty brood box is prepared by placing it on a floorboard with the entrance sealed and air tight (a strip of foam rubber or even a strip of rag will suffice!). 6. A crownboard is prepared such that it can be placed on top of this spare brood box to form a closed lid. This lid is sealed later using masking tape or some other similar adhesive strip. 7. The infected colony is subdued. 8. All of the brood combs in the brood nests are examined. 9. All combs in which most or all of the brood is sealed are identified. Coloured drawing pins are used to mark these combs. 10. All combs which contain mostly unsealed brood are also identified. 11. A suitable absorbent material is placed on the floorboard of the previously prepared empty spare brood box. 12. (a square domestic kitchen sponge is suitable). The following necessary precautions are taken:- A suitable mask, acid proof gloves and safety glasses are worn, and a bucket with fresh water is provided. (If at any time formic acid comes in contact with skin, wash copiously and immediately with fresh water.) When removing gloves after procedures involving formic acid, wash gloved hands completely in fresh water to remove all traces of formic acid from gloves before attempting to remove them.) 1. The absorbent material is soaked with 40ml of 60% (percent) formic acid, using a veterinarians syringe. 2. The crownboard is placed on spare brood box temporarily. 3. All the bees are shaken from the previously identified frames containing primarily sealed brood back into the parent hive. 4. Each frame of sealed brood without bees is placed into the spare brood box containing the formic acid pad. 5. When the brood box is full or all of the selected sealed brood frames are inserted, the crownboard is put in place and taped closed. Making the box airtight. 6. The box is left sitting in sunlight for 90 minutes, the ambient temperature being at least 15c on the day selected for the above procedures. The weather forecast is checked prior to the fumigation being done, forward planning makes it more possible to achieve the desired conditions. 1. After the fumigation exercise is completed the brood combs are replaced in any colony if more than one colony was treated. Gloves and other protection are still worn during this operation. Never be tempted to work with formic acid without suitable protection. 2. The procedure is repeated the following week, fumigating the combs in the infested hives which were identified as having primarily open brood at the previous inspection. The residual formic acid on the returned combs is said to be lethal to the adult mites in the infested colony and appears to go a long way to reducing the adult mite population sufficiently to give the colony the chance to prosper. The adult mite fall in the colonies is checked either weekly or daily as a matter of routine from then on, to plot the progress of any residual infestation. If after around 14 days from the final fumigation the mite fall is more than 5 mites per day the above described procedures are repeated. The supers are returned to the hives around two days after the fumigation is done in each case. Formic acid exists in honey naturally and is no longer viewed as a contaminant by the veterinary authorities in Europe. The dosage of formic acid has to be varied depending on ambient conditions and beekeeper experience. Read all you can about the mite and get to know it well. Only in this way will you be able to keep on top of the infestations which will be a continuous presence in your colonies from the initial find. +++++++++++++++++++ End +++++++++++++++++++ !N3 -- --------------------- From : David Graham On : 06/14/98 at 18:53 Brittish Summer Time Reply: sci.agriculture.beekeeping --------------------- >> IMPORTANT INFORMATION << E-Mail: Only iff you must. Remove >> IMPORTANT INFORMATION << --------------------- Article 12900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mountain Bee Products South Africa Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:56:34 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6m12ql$m5d$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-70.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12900 Take a look at our Web Page. To see our Range of Protective Clothing for you The Beekeeper. Contact me Robin Mountain mountbee@iafrica.com begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:57:39 -0700 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <35844753.3223@usit.net> References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> <3581FC05.7487@usit.net> <3582f259.1753063@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup33.tnjoh.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12901 Steve Newport wrote: > > One wonders at the intent of the bee in its evolution in developing a > barb, if not to get stuck in its target ? > Good question. Actually, I've wondered about the reverse. If other stinging insects can sting repeatedly with impunity, why did the honeybee evolve a barb? I'm just guessing, but how about this explanation to both questions: Animals with leathery skin are generally large enough to kill a stinging bee by smashing it. Potential insect enemies are generally not large enough to kill a stinging bee this way. So if the enemy is a bug, it's better for the bee to be able to sting again and again until the entire load of venom is depleted. But if the bee is likely to die be crushed to death after the first sting, it's better to leave the stinger in the skin, continuing to sting, the better to defend the colony. Maybe mother nature knew what she was doing with the barb. But I don't really know -- I'm still very new to apiculture. By the way, just today I saw my bees repeatedly stinging a wasp or wasp-shaped intruder that had happened onto a super I had open during an inspection. None of the bees died from the stinging, and all were stinging the intruder over and over. It looked like a bad way to die. > On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:11:49 -0700, Jeffrey Dugan > wrote: > >I have no first-hand knowledge, but I've read that bees can remove their > >stingers with ease from, for instance, wasps, bumblebees, and similar > >insects with the insect-like "skin", which is not "rubbery" like mammal > >skin, and so does not grab the stinger. Article 12902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Dugan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Diagnosis Help Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:15:12 -0700 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <35844B70.449@usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup33.tnjoh.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12902 Today I saw something unexpected on some of my bees. In one corner of the lower hive body, at the top of the frames, about four or five bees had something near the top of the pollen basket of only one leg, near the "knee" joint. One of the bees _may_ have had this thing on both legs, but I'm not sure. In each case, the thing was irregular in shape, roughly 2-3 times the diameter of the bee's leg, and a kind of shiny reddish brown (almost cordovan?) in color. It occurred to me that this could be unusually-colored bits of pollen yet to be unloaded, but if that's not it, it's not like any disease or pest I've read about yet. I didn't notice any bees with other types of pollen still clinging to parts of their legs. Please forgive my ignorance, as this is my first summer with bees, but does anyone know if this is merely pollen, or something else? In case it's important, the bees are Italians, I live in northeast Tennessee near/in the mountains, and as far as I can tell, the hive is healthy. The only adverse conditions I know about is that we've had more rain than normal recently, but most of this rain has been at night, so foraging has not been seriously interrupted. Article 12903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Diagnosis Help Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998061422123900.SAA15015@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jun 1998 22:12:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35844B70.449@usit.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12903 Wierd stuff on Bees leg Propolus - so sticky the use other bees to help remove it. Article 12904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!wagner.videotron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Sylvain Trottier" Subject: looking for honey extractor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bd97f0$384a98c0$4a6c13cc@usager> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 8 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 23:54:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp25.cedep.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:54:13 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12904 Hi everyone, I'm looking for a used honey extractor near the Montreal region (Quebec, Canada). Please contact me at the following e-mail adress. rtrottier@cedep.com Article 12905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Owners" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in Tops of Red Oak Trees Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:51:30 -0400 Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.56k.ic.net Message-ID: <35848b3d.0@news.ic.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.ic.net!p4.a1.56k.ic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12905 This evening, we were outside and noticed five distinct areas of bee activity in the tops of the red oak trees, about 20-30 feet up. They appeared large, being visible from the ground, and were buzzing around these five different areas, at the end of the branches in leaf clusters. Can anyone give me some idea as to what we were seeing? Or was this the beginning of a swarm of honey bees? We have no idea, and want to know if we should be concerned, e.g., were these hornets? Thank you for your help! Mark Article 12906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news3.atl.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank Humphrey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6l7sn7$6ng@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Q for TBH enthusiasts Lines: 54 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 02:16:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-214-41-166.cha.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:16:12 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12906 > >In looking at plans on the Net I notice some have the entrance on the long >side, while others have it on the narrow front. Does the location affect >where the brood nest is within the hive? What are the pros and cons of each >location? > >At what angle should the sides be sloped? I have seen plans with straight >sides, 60 and 77 degrees. My understanding is that the slope will >discourage the bees from attaching the comb to the sides. > >With a width of about 20" how many bars should there be adequate brood >rearing and some harvest? 20? 30? > >Anyone had experience or ideas about transitioning the bees occupying a >Langstroth to this new environment? I thought about setting the old deeps >on top of the TBH until all the brood emerged but I can't see the bees >drawing anything out below let alone the Q moving down. Would you >"slice-n-splice" the old comb onto the top bars? > >I am sure I will have more questions later but this is what has been on my >mind. >-- >Geo >"Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" >gstyLer@worldnet.att.net >Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > The Beauty of a TBH is there is no special way to build them. I have 3 in my back yard. All contain 30 Top Bars plus 1/4" for a divider to decrease volume in winter. The width is approx. 18 1/2" so that the bars can be inserted into a Langstroth hive to be partially drawn. The sides are straight with 16 entrance holes on one side only. I stand at the back and work the whole hive. This afternoon, I pulled a bar of capped honey, cut it from the bar into a sealable container and reinserted the bar. I then presented my 8 year old granddaughter with honey fresh from the hive. She loved it. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@bellsouth.net Article 12907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: Rebecca Davis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: leave 'em alone? Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:17:03 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com> Reply-To: amused@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-243-93.s30.as4.rkv.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 897880692 13487 207.172.243.93 (15 Jun 1998 03:18:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12907 I'm a new beekeeper with a hive of package bees installed in April. The queen was laying well until about two weeks ago, when I noticed lots of capped brood, but very few larva and virtually no eggs. Two days ago, in a quick inspection, I saw evidence of a queen cell on the comb, no eggs, some capped brood. Today a beekeeper friend came to help me out and we found an empty queen cell on the ground in front of the hive, about 4 empty queen cells, and one that the workers seemed to be opening from the outside. So it looks like supersedure. We did see a queen, and we watched her lay some eggs. She was near cells with haphazardly laid eggs (some cells with two eggs.) We did not disturb her because we were not sure if she was the original queen or a newly hatched queen. Unless laying workers lengthen out to the size of a queen, she *was* a queen. This hive is very gentle, the bees are busy, they have a good deal of honey, much of it capped, and are continuing to draw new comb. Is this a supercedure? Is it common for the workers to dismantle queen cells when they successfully supercede? Is it common for a new queen to lay eggs so badly? If it's the old queen, will the hive get rid of her? In other words, should I leave them alone, or try something? Thanks! Article 12908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Repost: Attention all Wisconsin Beekeepers Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1998061505371600.BAA03065@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jun 1998 05:37:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998061222340200.SAA11937@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12908 Ron, Thank you again for your informational post. When the survey was requested by the membership of the W.H.P.A. the purpose was to include those who might not have been included in previous studies for one reason or another. The posting here was done to enable those who do not receive the "Wisconsin Badger Bee" the opportunity to be included on the survey because all beekeepers who pollinate crops within Wisconsin's boarders are not all members of the WHPA. TTYL Monica M. Piechowski ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! Article 12909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!worldfeed.gte.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mountain Bee Products South Africa Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:42:15 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6m2ca3$11e$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-65.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12909 Take a look at our Web Page. To see our Range of Protective Clothing for you The Beekeeper. Contact me Robin Mountain mountbee@iafrica.com http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/mountain.html begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 5 to 6 eggs a worker cell Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:35:32 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Ilmenau Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3584DCD4.FF6@wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: fresnel.wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; AIX 1) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12910 In one hive I saw in worker cells many with only one egg but some included up to 6 eggs. The Queen is probably from 1996. There were also swarm- cells. Did anybody had equal expiriences? Waiting for explanations and advices Christian Schütz Article 12911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!203.97.37.6!clear.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: fbates@ihug.co.nz (bates) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Granulated honey Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 03:43:04 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6m2mtm$eal$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14-max6.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12911 Hi All, After a good second season with 5 hives, I have a container of honey which has granulated coarsly. I have a customer for a few dozen containers of liquid honey, and have been experimenting with melting the granulated honey in a microwave, using the defrost cycle. This have proved to be a rather slow and laborious process, and I think I am probably heating the honey more than is good for it. Is there a better way to liquify this honey? Will it be less likely to crystallise again after being melted? Frank fbates@ihug.co.nz Article 12912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in Tops of Red Oak Trees Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:52:08 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <358509f7.45382327@news.earthlink.net> References: <35848b3d.0@news.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust101.tnt1.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12912 "Owners" (Mark) wrote: >This evening, we were outside and noticed five distinct areas of bee >activity in the tops of the red oak trees, about 20-30 feet up. Aphids are a likely reason that honey bees visit oak trees. The aphids secrete a sweet liquid called "honeydew" that bees often collect similar to the way they collect nectar from flowers. The bees won't bother the trees, but their presence may indicate an aphid problem. John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 12913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "Donn D." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 5 to 6 eggs a worker cell Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:40:51 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <35851653.1F4F@erols.com> References: <3584DCD4.FF6@wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de> Reply-To: divedonn@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-74-20.s20.tnt2.man.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 897914795 24260 207.172.74.20 (15 Jun 1998 12:46:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12913 Christian Schuetz wrote: > > In one hive I saw in worker cells many with only one egg but some > included up to 6 eggs. The Queen is probably from 1996. There were also > swarm- cells. Did anybody had equal expiriences? > > Waiting for explanations and advices > > Christian Schütz Sounds to me like you have no queen and now have a laying worker. Article 12914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!151.164.30.38!newsgate.swbell.net!151.164.30.35.MISMATCH!cyclone.swbell.net!swbell!not-for-mail From: Jim Owen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Granulated honey Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:03:06 -0500 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 27 Message-ID: <35851B8A.C2F46094@swbell.net> References: <6m2mtm$eal$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-151-164-39-195.rcsntx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: (null) 897915901 19973 (None) 151.164.39.195 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) To: bates Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12914 Depending on what your container is, of course, I normally use a large pot (A "Canner", with wire racks to keep the honey containers off the bottom). Put in all the containers (well sealed) add water to nearly cover all containers, and heat to about 140-150 (F). (CAUTION*** Do not heat above 160 (F) with the containers sealed... They will burst!!) It normally takes about 20 minutes to liquify. Another method is to place in a large closed container (Abandoned car works well) in the sun. Here, in Texas, the inside temp of an abandoned car can get well above 140 and will liquify in a few hours (due to poor heat transfer of air vs water). Jim Owen bates wrote: > > Hi All, > After a good second season with 5 hives, I have a container of honey > which has granulated coarsly. I have a customer for a few dozen > containers of liquid honey, and have been experimenting with melting > the granulated honey in a microwave, using the defrost cycle. This > have proved to be a rather slow and laborious process, and I think I > am probably heating the honey more than is good for it. Is there a > better way to liquify this honey? > Will it be less likely to crystallise again after being melted? > > Frank > fbates@ihug.co.nz Article 12915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.best.com!news.islandnet.com!not-for-mail From: Georg Stratemeyer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:22:01 -0700 Organization: Cowichan Valley Mediation Services Lines: 52 Message-ID: <35851FF9.6D0C@islandnet.com> References: <01bd9530$6ae36c20$LocalHost@markusma> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.175.106.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) To: Beekeeper Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12915 Beekeeper wrote: > > The making the walnut shells solution. > > One collected the green shells from walnuttree in the > autumn, if fall the nuts, hackled she and fills > therewith good lockable glass (best 1- liter glasses) > until short under the margin. The sum get then with firespirit > filled up and good airproof closed. After four > weeks has takes one a ready made means that the bees no > one damage, but by the odour the we can't Persons with > our sense of smell quite determine, the Varroa sells. > > By the application fly the spirit inside less minutes, > what the bees with open floor nothing incommoded. The > solution with the paintbrush on the ramming, floor, > pages laid on, sell the Varroa mite, when I bring > the solution to the application. > > Update : At 14. and 15.02.1998 could I only all small deaddrop > determine and founds no Varroa mite. I keep at > the method, want but once more points at, that by the > fabrication the solution only green shells come into > operation. As soon the shells longer in the grass lie, > become this black and are valueless. The solution self > sees after four weeks right black from and is usable. I > do hope, that I have with this contribution an > expedients for the combat the Varroa marked down and > wish each bee keeper good luck with his honeybees. > > > Hallo, Deine englischen Angaben sind etwas unklar fuer uns. Vielleicht kann ich helfen und Deine Angaben uebersetzen? Ich halte Bienen in Kanada (Vancouver Island) und habe auch Probleme mit Vaorra. Eine Alternative zu den chemischen Behandlungen waere interessant fuer uns. Ich experemtiere gerade mit aetherischen (?) Oelen, eine Walnus Tinktur waere attraktive. Wenn Du mir Deine Angaben auf Deutsch schicken kannst, werde ich sie auf Englisch uebersetzen und hier 'posten'. Gruesse Georg -- Cowichan Valley Mediation Services-Georg Stratemeyer 4876 Marshall Road, RR 3, Duncan, BC, V9L 2X1 Telephone: 250 746 6176 Homepage: http://www.islandnet.com/~mediate/index.html Article 12916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!193.162.159.201!news1.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Bjørn Andresen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Granulated honey Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:50:10 +0200 Organization: Customer at Tele Danmark Erhverv Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6m38lb$oo3$1@news1.tele.dk> References: <6m2mtm$eal$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: buff-25.dia.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12916 We manufacturer honey liquefactors which are well suited to liquefy honey in a soft way. These liquefactors are used a lot in Europe. Take a look at www.swienty.com and click on the right menu on honey strainers. Look at the bottom of the page and you will see samples of the liquefactors. Regards Bjorn Andresen SWIENTY A/S bates wrote in message <6m2mtm$eal$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz>... >Hi All, > After a good second season with 5 hives, I have a container of honey >which has granulated coarsly. I have a customer for a few dozen >containers of liquid honey, and have been experimenting with melting >the granulated honey in a microwave, using the defrost cycle. This >have proved to be a rather slow and laborious process, and I think I >am probably heating the honey more than is good for it. Is there a >better way to liquify this honey? >Will it be less likely to crystallise again after being melted? > >Frank >fbates@ihug.co.nz > Article 12917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Bluedorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A Beginner's Problems Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:25:00 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <35852EBC.957415EB@muscanet.com> Reply-To: trivium@muscanet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.217.163.115 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897920611 8JUHHDRUMA373CDD9C usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12917 I set up a bee hive this spring for the first time. First I ordered a beginner's kit from Dadant and spent a good afternoon putting it together. Then I ordered 3lbs of Midnite bees from York Bee Company. When I got them they were all dead. So I reordered 5lbs of bees from York because the lady there said that would be better since the season was so late. When I got the 5lbs they were very healthy and active and I installed them that evening. So far the bees have been pleasant, busy little guys (or galls), none have stung me and everything has gone fine .... until today. This morning I went out to check the bees for the second time. I checked them the first time to see if the queen was loose about a week ago which was four days after I installed them. This morning I noticed three queen cells right in the middle of the frames surrounded by honey cells. Also, I did not see any brood, only honey. What is wrong? Is the queen bad and the bees are taking emergency measures to make another? Why are there no new babies? How do the bees expect to make another queen if there are no new babies to raise one from? Should I just let them take care of the situation or should I order a replacement queen? The bees are acting just as they have since I got them. They have eaten tremendous amounts of my sugar water, two quarts on some days. From what I saw, they have filled the one brood chamber three quarters full of honey already, though none of the honey cells are capped. What ever happens I am learning things and that is all I wanted to get out of this first year. I would very much appreciate any advice you expert beekeepers might me. Nathaniel Bluedorn in north west Illinois, USA Article 12918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35856B81.550618C@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:44:17 +0300 From: grmps048 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for wholesalers in U.S and CANADA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.84.196 X-Trace: 15 Jun 1998 18:45:11 GMT, 139.92.84.196 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 19 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!139.92.84.196 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12918 ANEL-STANDARD is a manufacturing company in Athens-Greece which manufactures beekeeper's equipment since 1968 . Our products have been two times awarded from ``APIMONDIA`` . The excellent quality and the really low prices are two characteristics of our products . We are looking for wholesalers in U.S. and Canada to co-operate . You can visit our site to have a first look and a brief description of our products . For farther information e-mail , mail or FAX Eleftherios Pantelakis ANEL-STANDARD CO ANDREA KALVU 105 N. IONIA T.K. 14231 ATHENS-GREECE TEL-FAX 0030-1-2771180 e-mail : pantelakis@ibm.net http://www.domi.gr/business/meli/anel/startup.htm Article 12919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leave 'em alone? Date: 15 Jun 1998 19:56:57 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 50 Message-ID: <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12919 Here are a couple of possibilities for you and I am sure others can provide more info. Where are (were) the Q cells located? Usually, supercedure and emergency cells are built on the face of the comb, whereas swarm cells usually occur along the bottoms of frames. Since you say you hived your swarm last April, this could be swarming time in your location (it would help to know what part of the world you are from). Or the old Q is failing and they are indeed superceding. A poor pattern or more than 1 egg/cell are certainly indications of a failing Q. In either case, the old Q may slow down her laying or stop entirely. It is not unusual for a colony to build Q cells and rear them almost to the time they emerg, only to tear them apart. Who are we to guess why? I usually just leave them be unless they are hoplessly queenless. They seem to "know" when it is time to replace her and I find that the Q's they raise are as good if not better than a purchased one. BTW, I always mark my Q's. This way I can tell how old she is, if she is a supercedure and if that swarm in my neighbors yard is from one of my hives. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Rebecca Davis wrote in article <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com>... > I'm a new beekeeper with a hive of package bees installed in April. The > queen was laying well until about two weeks ago, when I noticed lots of > capped brood, but very few larva and virtually no eggs. Two days ago, > in a quick inspection, I saw evidence of a queen cell on the comb, no > eggs, some capped brood. Today a beekeeper friend came to help me out > and we found an empty queen cell on the ground in front of the hive, > about 4 empty queen cells, and one that the workers seemed to be opening > from the outside. So it looks like supersedure. We did see a queen, and > we watched her lay some eggs. She was near cells with haphazardly laid > eggs (some cells with two eggs.) We did not disturb her because we were > not sure if she was the original queen or a newly hatched queen. Unless > laying workers lengthen out to the size of a queen, she *was* a queen. > This hive is very gentle, the bees are busy, they have a good deal of > honey, much of it capped, and are continuing to draw new comb. Is this > a supercedure? Is it common for the workers to dismantle queen cells > when they successfully supercede? Is it common for a new queen to lay > eggs so badly? If it's the old queen, will the hive get rid of her? In > other words, should I leave them alone, or try something? Thanks! > > Article 12920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leave 'em alone? Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:39:37 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 897939644 nnrp-06:6915 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqpHafM04oxRbos> Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12920 In article <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com>, Rebecca Davis writes >So it looks like supersedure. We did see a queen, and >we watched her lay some eggs. She was near cells with haphazardly laid >eggs (some cells with two eggs.) We did not disturb her because we were >not sure if she was the original queen or a newly hatched queen. Hi Rebecca, It's possible that a new queen will lay two or more eggs per cell for a couple of days until she gets going properly. I've never known a laying worker to increase in size, that's why they are so hard to spot. I would leave them for a 7-8 days or so until the next inspection before doing anything drastic, especially as the queen cells are being torn down. Regards -- Tom S Article 12921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!193.174.75.110!news-was.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news.uni-jena.de!news.tu-ilmenau.de!not-for-mail From: Christian Schuetz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 5 to 6 eggs a worker cell Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:18:17 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Ilmenau Lines: 15 Message-ID: <35857379.167E@wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de> References: <3584DCD4.FF6@wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de> <35851653.1F4F@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fresnel.wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; AIX 1) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12921 Donn D. wrote: > > Christian Schuetz wrote: > > > > In one hive I saw in worker cells many with only one egg but some > > included up to 6 eggs. The Queen is probably from 1996. There were also > > swarm- cells. Did anybody had equal expiriences? > > > > Waiting for explanations and advices > > > > Christian Schütz > > Sounds to me like you have no queen and now have a laying worker. I saw the Queen and she laid eggs to swarm cells and normal cells Article 12922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leave 'em alone? Date: 15 Jun 1998 21:12:47 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6m42of$lbp$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com> <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-14.sl010.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12922 In article <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, gstyLer@worldnet.att.net says... > >Here are a couple of possibilities for you and I am sure others can provide >more info. > > >BTW, I always mark my Q's. This way I can tell how old she is, if she is a >supercedure and if that swarm in my neighbors yard is from one of my hives. > Great idea. I've never tried to mess with the queen. With what do you mark her. Would something like ladies nail polish be satisfactory or are the solvents in such stuff toxic to her? Article 12923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.124.0.2!news.sunflower.com!not-for-mail From: "Brad Faber" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Help with attracting Bees Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:49:50 -0500 Organization: Sunflower Cablevision's Datavision USENET Server Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.124.43.29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8179 rec.gardens:265268 rec.gardens.edible:10949 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12923 sci.agriculture.fruit:1906 I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits mature. Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a home garden? -- Brad Faber Pres., Editor in Chief Reef Reviews http://www.reefreviews.com nOsPaMbrad@reefreviews.comNOsPam remove the nospam before and after Article 12924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!jegsav.global.co.uk!john From: John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor wanted in UK. Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:18:51 +0100 Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.14.213 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12924 We'd like to buy a small second-hand extractor in good condition. We live near Leighton Buzzard, so if you live nearby and have an extractor you don't need and would like to sell we'd like to hear from you. Thanks, John and Viv PS We'd also be interested in 2nd hand National Hive parts. -- John and Viv Savage. Tel/fax +44 (0)1525 237625 Article 12925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leave 'em alone? Date: 15 Jun 1998 22:17:11 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 44 Message-ID: <6m46h7$gob@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com> <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6m42of$lbp$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.237 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12925 Don't know about the nail polish. It is a laquer with an acetone base and I now how acetone dries my skin out if I get it on my hands. I use Testor's model paint available at any hobby store for around $1 USD. There is a 5-color scheme used to designate the year but since I don't have any re-queening program (just 2 hives), I just got a visible color that didn't horridly brand the bee (yellow for yellow Italians). I don't like the thought of a dayglow pink dot, and the yellow is very visable even in poor light. Here is my technique and I am sure there are others. I like this because you don't have to handle the bee as I would be concerned that I might harm her. 1. Cut the tip off of a nail (about 7d) and file it blunt. This will give you a nice dot. 2. Place about a 2" x 2" piece of 1/4" mesh hardware cloth gently over the queen while on the comb and push down just enough so that her thorax pops up through a hole in the mesh and she is still. 3. Dip the tip of the nail in the paint and remove any excess so there is very little on the nail. 4. Carefully apply the tip to her thorax being very careful of the wing joints. 5. Allow her to dry or a few minutes before releasing her. Piece of cake! A good way to practice is to try it out a few times on drones. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Jerome R. Long wrote in article <6m42of$lbp$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... > In article <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > > Great idea. I've never tried to mess with the queen. With what do you mark > her. Would something like ladies nail polish be satisfactory or are the > solvents in such stuff toxic to her? > Article 12926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.clark.net!209.69.36.218!news1.ispnews.com!news11.ispnews.com!not-for-mail From: Moi Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Loking to buy ONE hive in MD or adjacent Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:44:21 -0700 Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3585F824.D71391C3@mindless.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sorin.fred.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 897961335 4648 205.252.223.113 (16 Jun 1998 01:42:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 1998 01:42:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12926 Helo, Need one hive to polinate my backyard plants/trees/etc. I'm located in MD . I can drive around 100 mi if necessary. Feedback appreciated. Thank you sd/ Article 12927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: Rebecca Davis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leave 'em alone? Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:32:27 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3585307A.C3EA6D74@erols.com> References: <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com> <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: amused@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-175-26.s26.as13.rkv.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 897964415 26219 207.172.175.26 (16 Jun 1998 02:33:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12927 Thanks everybody for the good information in reply to my post. The queen cells we saw were on the face of the comb, another reason to think this is supercedure. (I'm in Maryland, and am priviliged to be able to attend the Montgomery County Beekeepers Association and I've already heard George Imirie on the subject of queen marking, so I will NEVER get an unmarked queen again!) I've decided to "leave 'em alone" for a week and see what they can do by themselves. I've got a lot to learn, but this is so interesting! Thanks again. Article 12928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leave 'em alone? Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 02:54:10 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6m4moi$ic1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com> <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6m42of$lbp$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.16 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 16 02:54:10 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12928 In article <6m42of$lbp$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) wrote: > > In article <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > says ... > >BTW, I always mark my Q's. This way I can tell how old she is, if she is a > >supercedure and if that swarm in my neighbors yard is from one of my hives. > > > Great idea. I've never tried to mess with the queen. With what do you mark > her. Would something like ladies nail polish be satisfactory or are the > solvents in such stuff toxic to her? Some folks use nail polish. Some folks use model paint. Some folks use "typing correction fluid" I use oil based paint pens (art supply store)- MUCHO faster and more handy to tote about and use. Just be careful to test your pen PRIOR TO USE - some are a bit generous in giving up paint - baptizing the poor gal in your favorite color of paint will not be beneficial - you just want a nice dot on top of the thorax. You hold her by the thorax also OR by at least two legs on same side of body. You can grab her wings to pick her up (ususally the way first time queen handlers do it) OR better yet just grab her by the thorax then position her in the other hand to make her easier to mark. Best wishes, Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Granulated honey Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 10:41:23 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <17F769656S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <6m2mtm$eal$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12929 In article <6m2mtm$eal$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> fbates@ihug.co.nz (bates) writes: > > ... have been experimenting with melting >the granulated honey in a microwave, using the defrost cycle.... >Is there a better way to liquify this honey? A container that will fit in a microwave will also fit in a dishwasher. Make sure the container is water tight. The heat in my dish washer will melt a quart canning jar of granulated honey and you get a clean jar as an added bonus! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 12930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!130.18.80.15.MISMATCH!nntp.msstate.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:55:41 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 52 Message-ID: <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12930 In article <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> mejensen@att.net (Mark Jensen) writes: >... >Is it true that Elroy Rogers has been kicked off the BEE-L? Mark, NO ONE, not one person, NOBODY has been "kicked off" BEE-L, not even Malibu Skipper! Subscribers come and go OF THEIR OWN ACCORD. Read the archives. Elroy Rogers stated he would leave BEE-L if it becomes a moderated list, he restated that he would leave BEE-L if it remains a moderated list and he left BEE-L because it is a moderated list. Pedro Rodriguez, DVM signed off BEE-L because he was not able to keep up with the volumes of personal mail he received regarding his posts to BEE-L. Actually this is not quite true, I took Dr. R. off BEE-L at his request because his service provider had changed and he was not able to sign off on his own. You really haven't a clue regarding the amount of work it takes to manage a LISTSERV list, but trust me I'm here to help, not hinder. I keep in touch with Dr. R off-list and pass on to him anything from BEE-L that may be of interest to him regarding his work. This is an added personal service that I extend to him and something for which he is very grateful. >You are deluded if you think that the BEE-L has become a >better forum with your censorship. I tire of being bashed for my efforts. Again, read the archives, specifically my post titled "Moderation is not Censorship". There is a BIG difference. Again (and hopefully for the last time) I DO NOT decree what can and cannot be said on BEE-L. As long as submissions pertain to "Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology" without quoting entire previous posts and are submitted as text only, they are approved. In addition, moderation has stopped personal response between individuals being posted to the entire list AND moderation has stopped commands meant for LISTSERV from being posted to the entire list. I have received many letters of thanks when I keep people from embarassing themselves. THAT'S the difference between moderation and censorship. However if you still choose to call it censorship, that certainly is your right. And again, I tire of being bashed for my efforts. You are correct, sci.agriculture.beekeeping provides a non-moderated forum to voice your opinions. Elroy Rogers has left BEE-L and posts here, an option which is available to any person on the Internet. But please Mark, leave me alone. I don't deserve the abuse. BEE-L was and still is an open forum to discuss issues pertaining to beekeeping and bee biology. It's a great service which I'm happy to provide. I'm not happy to be flamed for my efforts. Sincerely, Aaron Morris Article 12931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ronbelldvm@aol.com (RonBellDVM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Loking to buy ONE hive in MD or adjacent Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998061612240100.IAA14176@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jun 1998 12:24:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3585F824.D71391C3@mindless.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12931 Ernie Miner, of Ernies Apiaries, in Walkersville, MD just outside of Frederick may be able to help. E-mail me for his phone number. If you are in another area of MD, he can give you names of other closer beekeepers. He is very active in the Maryland State Beekeepers Assoc. Hope that helps. Ron Bell Article 12932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: chamokar Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:33:36 -0400 Organization: myself Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> Reply-To: chamokar@mail.cyberia.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tc76.cyberia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!pln-e!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8183 rec.gardens:265413 rec.gardens.edible:11006 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12932 sci.agriculture.fruit:1909 Brad Faber wrote: > > I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had > so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. > Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits > mature. > > Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a > home garden? > > -- > > Brad Faber > Pres., Editor in Chief > Reef Reviews http://www.reefreviews.com > nOsPaMbrad@reefreviews.comNOsPam > > remove the nospam before and after Try lavender and lamb's ears. They both attract lots of bees. A word of caution, lamb's ear will spread fast. Karen Article 12933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0011.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Nuc's for sale -- Binghamton, NY Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:40:30 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 3 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0011.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12933 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:29 Limited number of strong 5-frame nuclei for sale, ready to go. Call Dean Frost, Whitney Point, (607) 692-3066 Article 12934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Nemaha@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:57:34 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6m614v$auk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.154.157.67 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 16 14:57:34 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12934 > I tire of being bashed for my efforts. > Sincerely, > Aaron Morris > As a new beekeeper this year, I want to thank you and let you know how much I appreciate sites such as Bee-L and sci.agriculture.beekeeping. I'm constantly saving information from both sources for future reference, and even when I don't, I enjoy reading and learning from the exchanges of information. (My only suggestion is that someone should resolve the issue of queen excluders once and for all...!) -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hornedfaced bee Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:14:58 -0400 Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.31.91 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.31.91 Message-ID: <3586a7f2.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.161.31.91 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12935 Greetings! there was a thread about the hornedfaced bee and I have added a link to the following:http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee How to Control Parasitic Wasps (Monodontomerus obscurus) Supplies and Equipment Life Cycle of Hornfaced Bees Bee Shelters Also, after "speaking" to Jim Amrine, Entomologist & Acarologist, West Virginia University,there is a link to the essential oil site. Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 Article 12936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:02:33 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3586CF59.29F10CEB@ix.netcom.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx1-10.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 16 3:02:47 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8187 rec.gardens:265508 rec.gardens.edible:11030 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12936 sci.agriculture.fruit:1913 Have you considered installing a hive or renting one? No kidding, most beekeepers will rent out hives on a seasonal basis. susan > I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had > so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. > Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits > mature. > > Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a > home garden? Article 12937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk!dave From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 5 to 6 eggs a worker cell Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:09:26 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3584DCD4.FF6@wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk:194.222.228.123 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 898028010 nnrp-05:22363 NO-IDENT woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk:194.222.228.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12937 In article <3584DCD4.FF6@wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de>, Christian Schuetz writes >In one hive I saw in worker cells many with only one egg but some >included up to 6 eggs. The Queen is probably from 1996. There were also >swarm- cells. Did anybody had equal expiriences? You know that newly mated queens can sometimes be a bit 'over- enthusiastic' and lay more than one egg on the cell. The difference from worker laid eggs being that worker laid eggs are more likely to be on the sides, with a shorter abdomen they can't reach so far into the cell. Could the queen have been succeeded by another ? Dave Black Surrey, UK. http://www.guildford.ac.uk/beehive Article 12938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bee larval and pupal stages Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998061620101100.QAA24709@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jun 1998 20:10:11 GMT References: <01bd95f3$7a4b7900$0400a8c0@mark> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12938 In article <01bd95f3$7a4b7900$0400a8c0@mark>, "Mark Harries" writes:>Determining the exact larval and pupal stage of Honey bee worker and drone>brood can be a headache for the newcomer to bee keeping. I,m wondering is>there a fool proof method, perhaps even an illustrated reference published>to help? Any infomation gratefully recieved.I got a book for Christmas. Published by DADANT & SONS, I believe. It has that info and much more. Truly a copious reference tome. Good for months of entertaining reading. Try searching for Their website, they are a big time bee company also.Chuck Article 12939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!pmlaw From: pmlaw@ulster.net (Polly ) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:54:23 -0500 Organization: Thrum's End Art Studio Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.193.47 X-Trace: 898016535 TEBWCEYUUC12FD085C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8189 rec.gardens:265551 rec.gardens.edible:11041 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12939 sci.agriculture.fruit:1914 In article <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com>, "Brad Faber" wrote: >I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had >so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. >Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits >mature. > >Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a >home garden? Hi Brad, Check out this site:The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html I made an Orchard Bee House from directions at the site and 5 cavities are filled so far. Good luck, Polly M. Law Upstate NY/Z5 ************************** Insolitores Res Contiguerunt ************************** Article 12940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Stephen Peek" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:46:03 -0400 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6m6sl3$oo$1@supernews.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.131.128.214 X-Trace: 898037219 VRL06/YYI80D6D083C usenet54.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8190 rec.gardens:265576 rec.gardens.edible:11047 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12940 sci.agriculture.fruit:1915 Why not become a beekeeper? Brad Faber wrote in message <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com>... >I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had >so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. >Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits >mature. > >Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a >home garden? > >-- > >Brad Faber >Pres., Editor in Chief >Reef Reviews http://www.reefreviews.com >nOsPaMbrad@reefreviews.comNOsPam > >remove the nospam before and after > > > Article 12941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: mejensen@att.net (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 03:37:30 GMT Organization: No Junk Mail Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: mejensen@att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.39.187 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12941 On Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:55:41 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: >Elroy Rogers stated he would leave BEE-L if it becomes a moderated list, >he restated that he would leave BEE-L if it remains a moderated list >and he left BEE-L because it is a moderated list. Elroy's signing off slipped by me. I don't read all the posts. It was the tone of your comment that led me to believe that Elroy did not leave voluntarily. >Since BEE-L has been moderated it has become a much better forum. >Excessive requoted material is no longer there. Off topic comments are >no longer there. ELROY ROGERS is no longer there! I apologize for the criticism that was unfounded, and I appreciate your efforts to make BEE-L a more worthwhile forum. There is some anecdotal information that moderation makes a list less lively. I do hope that this has not been the case on BEE-L. >But please Mark, leave me alone. I don't deserve the abuse. BEE-L was >and still is an open forum to discuss issues pertaining to beekeeping >and bee biology. It's a great service which I'm happy to provide. I'm >not happy to be flamed for my efforts. A rhetorical question. Would you have allowed my post on BEE-L? I am surprised to find I have been thought to have flamed. Can't remember ever having been accused of that before. Again I am sorry to have maligned you unfairly. Article 12942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!seas.smu.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!worldfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Allen Litherland Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:30:59 -0700 Organization: Southeastern IL Electric Cooperative http://www.seiec.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <358770B3.198D@midwest.net> References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> Reply-To: lithar@seiec.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.30 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 898044646 .ZFUVYH4M1C1ED0EBC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12942 Frank Curtis wrote: > > We have a discussion going. Given time, can a bee free itself > after it has stung an animal, assuming the bee is not brushed > or shaken off. For instance if a mouse raided a hive, and was killed > in the process, could a bee that stung said mouse free itself??? > > (We have no lives...) I don't know much about mouse hide but after watching my bees sting my leather gloves and essentially turn themselves inside out afterwards (I did not brush or shake them off), I'd have to assume the mouse's misery resulted in the death of the bee. By the way, I've also watched my bees "sting" my bee brush and escape unharmed after a futile attempt to embed their stingers. And you thought *you* have no lives? -- ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* Article 12943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nntp.upenn.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "John D'Amico" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:54:11 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6m7lo1$kds$1@winter.news.erols.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-170-168.s41.as1.hmt.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 898062913 20924 207.172.170.168 (17 Jun 1998 05:55:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8193 rec.gardens:265698 rec.gardens.edible:11076 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12943 sci.agriculture.fruit:1917 Brad, I've kept bees here in southern New Jersey for about six years now and it all started because of my melons. We raise about two acres of vegetables and set up a small roadside stand and of course we give a lot away to our friends and family. All of the usual vegetables are grown, but we really like to grow a lot of watermelon, seedless and yellow and orange varieties, and a lot of cantaloupes, charantais, galia and athena varieties. The bees make all the difference in the world, the fruits are larger, sweeter, and just plain better in all respects because of the bees. But the bonus here is the bees themselves. They are a constant source of fascination for my wife and I, and our young daughter who is seven. We have five hives now, they are close to the back of the house. No problems, the kid plays near them and believe it or not has only been stung once. Of course with me it is a different story 'cause I go in the hives, but its not that big a deal, you get used to it. We have fresh honey every year, and they have become part of our lives, like plowing in the spring and growing our vegetables. I recommend that you give serious consideration to trying a hive or two of your own, you won't bee disappointed. Best of luck to you, John Article 12944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nntp.upenn.edu!dsinc!newsserver.jvnc.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <35876076.1789F940@world.com> From: Pete & Janine Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:18:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: cx513980-a.alpn1.sdca.home.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:18:13 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8194 rec.gardens:265703 rec.gardens.edible:11077 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12944 sci.agriculture.fruit:1918 Brad Faber wrote: > > I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had > so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. > Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits > mature. > > Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a > home garden? > > -- Borage will attract a lot of bees and so will thyme. Borage is also a good companion plant to help improve the flavor. J9 Article 12945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kishke744@aol.com (Kishke744) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee hives Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998061706254200.CAA13915@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jun 1998 06:25:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12945 Anyone have any suggestions on getting rid of a bee hive? It is located inches from my front door, on the underside of an overhang. I have also noticed a couple of bumble bees on tree branches just outside my house. Article 12946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarms everywhere! And a story to go with them Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:24:13 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 72 Message-ID: <3587aac4.2901184@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co11-23.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jun 17 5:20:47 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12946 After calling some of the pest-removal services in town, I happened by one which had two calls in a row from home-owners whom were complaining of swarms of bees (Castle Rock, CO). Free bees? That's for me! However, upon arrival of both locations, the home-owners BOTH said the bees had begun to swarm on their houses on Sunday and only just today (Tues) had called for help. Too late, unfortunately, as the bees on both locations had found their new home into the eaves of the houses. I decided to try & see if I couldn't 'coax' one of the larger swarms(hive?) out of their new home, as there seemed to be an extremely large amount of bees coming in for a landing (counted approx. 20-30 every 10 seconds). There were only two problems: 1) the entrance to the bees is some 40feet up from ground-level 2) I've never done this before (complete novice with only 2 hives!) I'd read where another beekeeper coaxed a swarm out of a wall using a hive and a frame of brood out of another hive. He simply attached a wire-mesh cone (4" at the wall, down to 1/2" at the far opening) which effectively made a one-way bee-valve --- bees would fly out of the wall, but found it difficult to return. Feeling homeless & lost, the bees would begin work inside of the next best thing - the hive left at the end of the cone which contained the frames of brood & honey. His intention was that the bees would immediately begin raising a new queen. This scheme succeded in drawing all the worker bees out of the wall & robbing the old hive of it's honey over a 30-day period. There might have been more to this than what I remember, though this seemed to be the general idea. SO, I constructed a cardboard box with 4-5 frames, one consising of comb-honey & a bit of brood from one of my hives. I attached the makeshift hive as close to the entrance of the swarm as possible (approx 5 "). At the opening of the eave, I closed off their entrance with a combination of packing foam (to seal) and a cardboard tube in the middle of the foam which connected the old entrance to the new hive. I figured the bees would have to go through my new hive to gain access to the outside world, or find a new way out of the eave. As well, to keep the bees in the new hive, I made a small version of the "one-way" valve, with a mesh screen cone which narrowed to 1/2" (or so) inside of my hive. Will this work? I've figured that the bees will likely suffocate if they don't get enough airflow following the restriction I placed at their entrance. AND, I'm not sure the brood I have in the frame are of the right age to make a new queen, and I'm doubtful the eggs will keep without immediate attention from the bees. There's also the possibility that the bees found a new way into the world via the inside of the house. Wouldn't that be nice? Since I have VERY LITTLE IDEA of what I'm doing....and am applying a "best guess" at many factors, any help on this guess would be appreciated. Stay tuned for the follow-up in the next few days. PS - the 40-foot drop was definately NOT worth the risk, and I'll likely limit future risky adventures to 15 feet or less. Oh...they were going to kill the bees unless I tried my best effort on getting some/all of the bees out right away - so both the bees & I had very little to lose. The homeowner described the swarm as "blackening" his deck on Sunday, covering a 4' x 6' area. Taking the house apart is NOT an option for this homeowner, and he'll kill the bees if I don't succeed. Article 12947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:21:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1998061712215175982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12947 The message <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> from "JAF" contains these words: > Mark Jensen wrote in message <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... > >On Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:55:41 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) > >wrote: > This conversation is intriguing to those of us who know little or nothiing > of BEE-L. Perhaps you might post some details of this service, for the > benefit of the uninitiated? I'm sure it would be aprectiated! Likewise. Is this something only available in the U.S.of A.? Phil. Article 12948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3587C0B6.A194CFE0@zzclinic.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:12:22 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: JAF Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa-sign up for BEE-L References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.228.212.59 X-Trace: 17 Jun 1998 09:14:57 -0500, 207.228.212.59 Lines: 36 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.156.97.247!news.destek.net!207.228.212.59 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12948 Easy to sign up. Go to http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/ and there is a place to subscribe. It is open to anyone from anywhere. All the concerns about moderated or not moderated are groundless, since I have seen no difference in the posts before or after. I subscribe to several moderated lists and their unmoderated counterpart. The stuff that usually gets dumped is well worth dumping. Most reasoned posts survive no matter how controversial. The BEE-L is a good list. I get a lot of info from it, though, like all lists and newsgroups, it will repeat threads when someone new comes on. But so what. You get emails directly from the list. You can also get the best of BEE-L which has what is considered pertainant from the list and does not have the me-tos usually found on lists and newsgroups. You will find many of the same names on the BEE-L that you see here. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Remove zz from ...clinic.net... to reply directly another plus. I use my correct email address on the BEE-L and do not have to worry about spam like I do on newsgroups. JAF wrote: > Mark Jensen wrote in message <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... > >On Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:55:41 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) > >wrote: > > This conversation is intriguing to those of us who know little or nothiing > of BEE-L. Perhaps you might post some details of this service, for the > benefit of the uninitiated? I'm sure it would be aprectiated! > -- > jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk > "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: zvan@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:08:34 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6m8m5i$ft7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <6m7lo1$kds$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.217.35.177 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 17 15:08:34 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8196 rec.gardens:265729 rec.gardens.edible:11086 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12949 In article <6m7lo1$kds$1@winter.news.erols.com>, "John D'Amico" wrote: > > > Brad, > > I've kept bees here in southern New Jersey for about six years now and it > all started because of my melons. We raise about two acres of vegetables > and set up a small roadside stand and of course we give a lot away to our > friends and family. All of the usual vegetables are grown, but we really a friend who keeps bees says startup costs can be some $120 for a single hive. she says the hive will expand over the years (said you may have 5 hives 6 yrs later, and you will not have to pay for the bees, of course). she says a good hive will produce 180 pounds of honey in a year, of which you can get 60 (beware of preying racoons, bolt down the hive and enclose it in chainlink). that sounds to me like recouping your money in one year, not to mention a lot of mead homebrewing. the incredible part is, she has a suburban backyard of perhaps 1/4 acre and still keeps bees (i have 2 acres). i am myself tempted to start, and apparently she will give me a hive if i give her part of one of my mushroom beds. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MOUNTAIN BEE PRODUCTS, SOUTH AFRICA Date: 17 Jun 1998 16:29:14 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6m8qsq$n09@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6m7r5k$dst$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.247 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12950 This post is really looking a lot like spam to me! Come on.....do you have to post every day? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Robin Mountain wrote in article <6m7r5k$dst$1@news01.iafrica.com>... > Our webpage address is http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/mountain.html > > Our E-mail address is mountbee@iafrica.com > > We are Beekeepers specializing in the manufacturing of protective garments > for beekeepers worldwide. Please take a look at our page and contact us for > details on prices and delivery. > > All the best > > Robin and Stella Mountain > > > Article 12951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: 17 Jun 1998 16:40:29 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6m8rht$4g0@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12951 In a previous article, pmlaw@ulster.net (Polly) says: >>I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had >>so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. >>Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits >>mature. >>Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a >>home garden? >Check out this site:The Pollination Scene: >http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html >I made an Orchard Bee House from directions at the site and 5 cavities are >filled so far. You will find that the Mason Bee is active only for a short time early in the growing season. They emerge as temperatures rise. Their active lives coincide with the flowering of deciduous (fruit) trees. As far as I know, they are finished laying next year's generation after only a month. Late season fruits and most vegetables are not helped much with the solitary bees. OTOH, we keep both solitary and honey bees and our yields have recovered nicely. Beware, a hive of honey bees becomes two, four, eight.... Now, what are the definitions of addiction and intriguing? -- Article 12952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: godfrey.munro@zbee.com (Godfrey Munro) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!!godfrey.munro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Kent County Beekeeping Exhibition & Honey Show Message-ID: <898102261@zbee.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:41:04 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/123 3aadc91b Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12952 FWDFROM Godfrey Munro FWDTO all FWDORIG 240:244/123 FWDMSGID 240:244/123 3aadbc56 PID: FDAPX/w+ 1.12a EH00022 * Forwarded from 'Kent Beekeeping Association' * Originally by Godfrey Munro, 240:244/123 * Originally to all * Originally dated Wed 17 Jun 1998 15:37 -*- Forwarded message follows: -*- The above show takes place at the Kent County Agricultural Show Ground, England , on the 16th, 17th & 18th July 1998. Please make every effort to enter your honey in the Honey Show classes. Entry form available from Frank Pearce, Westover Farm Cottage, Smarden, Ashford, Kent TN27 8NT or tel 01233 77096 Godfrey Munro Publicity Officer parkbee@zbee.com -!- ! Origin: Park Beekeeping Supplies Tel/Fax: +44 (0)181 694 9960 (240:244/123) --- * Origin: Park Beekeeping Supplies Tel/Fax: +44 (0)181 694 9960 (240:244/123) Article 12953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:50:09 +0100 Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-75.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!demos!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-75.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12953 Mark Jensen wrote in message <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... >On Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:55:41 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) >wrote: This conversation is intriguing to those of us who know little or nothiing of BEE-L. Perhaps you might post some details of this service, for the benefit of the uninitiated? I'm sure it would be aprectiated! -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: toto627@aol.com (Toto627) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 5 to 6 eggs a worker cell Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998061720152200.QAA14931@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jun 1998 20:15:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12954 I found a similar situation in a hive yesterday. The queen had only a small group of bees and she had laid the area that she had bees to cover. Eggs and larve were normal in appearance and placement. Then immediatly below that area she had put multiple eggs (hard to see for sure, but I counted 8 in one cell) in several cells. Here's my theory: She's a fairly young queen and has gotten frustrated with so few bees to cover her brood and has started laying multiple eggs per cell. I had another hive that had loads of bees and some capped brood but was queenless. I moved her and her little group to that hive in hopes they could meet each others needs. May have been the wrong thing to do (someone will disagree no matter what you do!) but I'll know shortly if I was successful or not. Article 12955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FAQs and how to have them answered Date: 17 Jun 1998 11:31:28 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6m89eg$8bi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <1998061712215175982@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12955 In article <1998061712215175982@zetnet.co.uk>, Philip Roger Gurr wrote: >The message <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> > from "JAF" contains these words: > > > >> Mark Jensen wrote in message <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... >> >On Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:55:41 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) >> >wrote: > >> This conversation is intriguing to those of us who know little or nothiing >> of BEE-L. Perhaps you might post some details of this service, for the >> benefit of the uninitiated? I'm sure it would be aprectiated! > >Likewise. Is this something only available in the U.S.of A.? http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees Read the FAQ files. :-) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:20:18 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 71 Message-ID: <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898114861 14382 206.146.5.68 (17 Jun 1998 20:21:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1998 20:21:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12956 Aaron Morris wrote: > In article <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> > mejensen@att.net (Mark Jensen) writes: > > >... > >Is it true that Elroy Rogers has been kicked off the BEE-L? > > Mark, > > NO ONE, not one person, NOBODY has been "kicked off" BEE-L, not even Malibu > Skipper! Subscribers come and go OF THEIR OWN ACCORD. Read the archives. > Elroy Rogers stated he would leave BEE-L if it becomes a moderated list, > he restated that he would leave BEE-L if it remains a moderated list > and he left BEE-L because it is a moderated list. Aaron, True you have not actually kicked me off bee-l, but what everyone doesn't know is that the private emails between us has made me feel very unwelcome on bee-l. > > > Pedro Rodriguez, DVM signed off BEE-L because he was not able to keep up > with the volumes of personal mail he received regarding his posts to BEE-L. > Actually this is not quite true, I took Dr. R. off BEE-L at his request > because his service provider had changed and he was not able to sign off on > his own. You really haven't a clue regarding the amount of work it takes > to manage a LISTSERV list, but trust me I'm here to help, not hinder. I > keep in touch with Dr. R off-list and pass on to him anything from BEE-L > that may be of interest to him regarding his work. This is an added > personal service that I extend to him and something for which he is very > grateful. > > >You are deluded if you think that the BEE-L has become a > >better forum with your censorship. > I tire of being bashed for my efforts. Again, read the archives, specifically > my post titled "Moderation is not Censorship". There is a BIG difference. > Again (and hopefully for the last time) I DO NOT decree what can and cannot > be said on BEE-L. As long as submissions pertain to "Informed Discussion of > Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology" without quoting entire previous posts > and are submitted as text only, they are approved. In addition, moderation > has stopped personal response between individuals being posted to the entire > list AND moderation has stopped commands meant for LISTSERV from being > posted to the entire list. I have received many letters of thanks when I > keep people from embarassing themselves. > > THAT'S the difference between moderation and censorship. However if you > still choose to call it censorship, that certainly is your right. And again, > I tire of being bashed for my efforts. You are correct, > sci.agriculture.beekeeping provides a non-moderated forum to voice your > opinions. Elroy Rogers has left BEE-L and posts here, an option which is > available to any person on the Internet. Everyone that post on bee-l and this news group should be held up to scrutiny, just because you have title after your name doesn't give one a pass. As I post I hope to draw lots of flames and scrutiny, I am not so thin skinned. If I am challenge only then can the truth come out and answers be cleared up. > > > But please Mark, leave me alone. I don't deserve the abuse. BEE-L was > and still is an open forum to discuss issues pertaining to beekeeping > and bee biology. It's a great service which I'm happy to provide. I'm > not happy to be flamed for my efforts. Why should you or anyone be given a pass to scutiny? Article 12957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: 17 Jun 1998 21:07:17 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6m9b65$n38$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12957 In article <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net>, Elroy Rogers wrote: >Everyone that post on bee-l and this news group should be held up to scrutiny, >just because you have title after your name doesn't give one a pass. As I post I >hope to draw lots of flames and scrutiny, I am not so thin skinned. If I am >challenge only then can the truth come out and answers be cleared up. Okay. So what's your point Elroy? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: 17 Jun 1998 21:17:46 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6m9bpq$ies@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.173 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12958 Ok, I am still waiting for you to provide some evidence to support your prior inference that fluvalinate is a carcinogenic. So please let the truth come out. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Elroy Rogers wrote in article <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net>... > If I am challenge only then can the truth come out and answers be cleared up. > Article 12959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:55:22 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 112 Message-ID: <3586CDA4.6778D1F5@starpoint.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898113365 14129 206.146.5.68 (17 Jun 1998 19:56:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1998 19:56:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12959 Aaron Morris wrote: > In article <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> > Elroy Rogers writes: > > >... There is already an effort to quiet every > >one that talks about mineral oil on the internet, bee-l no longer allows > >it on the list because it offends the scientists on the list. This main > >reason for the list to switch to a moderated (censored) list is to keep > >controversial issues off, which is a request of the researchers. > > > >I hope Adam doesn't go the route of censoring the news group. > > > >Elroy > > > > I know I'll regret this, but as the owner/editor/moderator/dedicated > slave of BEE-L I find these coments EXTREMELY offensive. Hi Aaron I glad you decided to join in a free and open discussion of which Bee-l is not. > > > First, BEE-L is NOT censored, it's moderated. There is a big difference > that simply seems beyond Elroy's ability to grasp. I disagree, you said to me personally that everyone is subject to review . From what I have seen on Bee-l some are set to review (censored) and some are set to no review (not censored). For those that are set to no review they can say any thing they chose and those that are set to review can not challenge them. It has come out of your own key board that you will not allow inflammatory remarks on bee-l, so I being set to review can not defend mineral oil as a miticide when the bee scientists on bee-l say it doesn't work > There has been no, none > what-so-ever, NADA attempt to silence anything that anyone has to say on > BEE-L. The specifically mentioned discussion (mineral oil as a > treatment for varroa) was originally announced on BEE-L by the man doing > the work, Pedro Rodriquez, DVM and the announcement and subsequent > discussion has been near exhaustive regarding Dr. Rodriguez's work and > experiment design. There was NO effort to silence the good Dr. and > every opportunity was extended to him to allow him to disseminate his > findings. In fact, Dr. Rodriguez left BEE-L because he could not keep > up with the volumes of discussion and continue his work at the same > time. Anyone willing to do the work can get the whole story by joining > BEE-L and searching the archives. The discussion was free and open and > extensive. I would like to correct you On the reason Dr. Rodriquez has left Bee-l , I Quote " I have been in tears almost because of what the so called Bee scientist on Bee-l have said to discredit my work and discredit mineral oil as a effective tool as a miticide", Aaron it's too bad that you've chosen the road you have. Dr. Rodriquez believes as I do, that is the researchers and bee scientist will get nothing in proving mineral oil as a effective miticide. They get grants from the chemical companies for keeping the beekeepers slaves too the big chemical companies, and you just become part of there cover-up. > The decision to make BEE-L a moderated list was one I made after long > resisting the cries to do so. What finally had me make BEE-L a > moderated list was the repeated futile requests to have posters follow > accepted rule of netiquete. The straw that broke the camel's back were > REPEATED repostings of previous material to add a line or two of > additional comment. Repeated requests to modify writing style were > ignored and it was not until control was enforced that excessive quotes > ceased. AND excessive requoting ceased within days of implementing the > controls. Aaron I have never done this on bee-l, why am I set to review could it be to censor me? > > > Since BEE-L has been moderated it has become a much better forum. > Excessive requoted material is no longer there. Off topic comments are > no longer there. ELROY ROGERS is no longer there! > I have no wish or plans to return to a censored list. > For the records, the guidelines for acceptable postings to BEE-L are > appended below. Within those guidelines, any and all discussion is > welcome. As always, the discussion is free and open and everyone is > invited to participate. For those who left BEE-L because it became too > chatty/flamy/off topic/noisy, I invite you to examine again what a > valuable medium it is. For those who care to throw stones at the > efforts of those who provide the service I'm thankful for you to stay > away. > If I challenge a bee scientist or some one that has been in a government position on bee-l, how can this be throwing stones. You have gone on vacation and left me hang there on review for ten days every one else could post freely, you must really fear what I may say on your precious list. > Sincerely, > Aaron Morris > Bee-l Owner/Editor/Moderator > > > Since BEE-L has been a moderated list it has become aparant > that there are 6 catagories of inappropriate postings which > result in the submission being returned to the sender. > Those catagories are listed below, followed by the short > rejection notice that may be returned to sender. I have never done any of these I only objected to bee-l becoming moderated (censored) for this I have ben set to review or censored. Article 12960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:06:09 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3586EC4C.7CB6AADC@starpoint.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net> <6m9bpq$ies@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898121213 15314 206.146.5.68 (17 Jun 1998 22:06:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1998 22:06:53 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12960 George Styer wrote: > Ok, I am still waiting for you to provide some evidence to support your > prior inference that fluvalinate is a carcinogenic. So please let the truth > come out. I tried to find where I found it but was unable to do so, I know I should have had proof before posting it. I was sure it was either on Jan Templetan web site or Apis, but was unable to find it again. I know it was posted on a web site but was maybe pulled later. Maybe someone else can shed some light on this. I looked for several days or until your post expired, so I'll look some more for you. I don't understand why beekeepers are so willing to put these chemicals in their colonies when there is an alternative anyway. Now formic acid is being approved for use in bee hives, what crap to put in a beehive when we are all so proud of our product (honey). Elroy > -- > Article 12961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:35:37 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3586F335.A8D6712C@starpoint.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net> <6m9b65$n38$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898122978 15633 206.146.5.68 (17 Jun 1998 22:36:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1998 22:36:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12961 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > In article <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net>, > Elroy Rogers wrote: > > >Everyone that post on bee-l and this news group should be held up to scrutiny, > >just because you have title after your name doesn't give one a pass. As I post I > >hope to draw lots of flames and scrutiny, I am not so thin skinned. If I am > >challenge only then can the truth come out and answers be cleared up. > > Okay. So what's your point Elroy? > In Aarons post he says and I quote:"But please Mark, leave me alone. I don't deserve the abuse. BEE-L wasand still is an open forum to discuss issues pertaining to beekeeping and bee biology. It's a great service which I'm happy to provide. I'm not happy to be flamed for my efforts." I was just trying to point out that Aaron and his close friends on Bee-l don't like being challenged by the little beekeeper like myself and others. If he really wants to cut out wordy reposts he should only put on review (censor) only those quilty of it. One nice thing about being the moderator you can send back any post to sender without anyone finding out other than sender, thus killing all criticism. I would also like to add I like this news group it is made up of mostly very friendly people that want to exchange ideas of beekeeping, I usually read all the post posted and find them very interesting. I am glad it is very hard for anyone to try and censor the group. Elroy Article 12962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new treatment with FGMO Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:43:10 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <3586E6EA.FF9C0546@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898119834 15109 206.146.5.68 (17 Jun 1998 21:43:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1998 21:43:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12962 Hi All, I have been off line for awhile, I've been doing some test for varroa mites in my colonies. I caught approximately 1200 to 1300 bees in a jar then washed all the bees with alcohol using a double screen, the first screen to catch the bees the second is fine to catch the varroa. After doing a double wash I counted 15 mites on the screen and inside of the jar. That is about 1.2% infestation. I have only treated for mites using mineral oil twice this spring, I think this is pretty good since they went all winter untreated. No other treatment was used for the treatment of varroa in these colonies. I have purchased these as nucs last spring from a beekeeper that had over 40% losses over winter 250 out of 550 colonies, he had used apistan spring and fall as the instructions called for. He has done the same test on his bees and had 3.5% infestation, his bees were in poor condition when they returned from california this spring. Since he has started using mineral oil his bees are rebounding fast and he is very happy with the mineral oil treatment. We are going to test for mites every two weeks, the next test should show a decrease in varroa mites. I'll post the results each time. Here is the new recipe: 3 oz mineral oil ( over the counter at drug store or grocery store ) 3 cups water 3 cups sugar 1 teaspoon pectin ( fruit jell type at grocery store) Add mineral oil with 1 cup water heat it too a boil (do not boil) works good in microwave for 220 second, put in a blender and mix at low speed ( careful if oil gets on you at that temp it will take the skin off) add pectin then blend for 30 seconds too 1 minute. Let mixture cool to room temp then add the rest of water and sugar shake too mix. If this is going to sit for awhile you may mix the water and sugar as needed. Do not add hot mixture to the cold water and sugar it separates afterwards, always mix hot too hot or cold to cold. I mix the concentrate the day before I need it then add the sugar water the day I use it. The mineral oil will not separate from the water for two days when it starts to separate just shake it a little it will return to emulsified easily. This works very nice, mineral oil stays mixed after spraying the bees and top bars with it, this will not harm them ether. The bee quickly clean themselves of the mixture. I still spray the front of the hive with it, the bees clean the area very fast. The mixture will then be feed to larvae and the varroa mites that go into the cell to reproduce and feed on the larvae will be killed. The cell has always been a safe place for the varroa mite until now. As always criticism and questions are always welcome. Elroy Article 12963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MOUNTAIN BEE PRODUCTS, SOUTH AFRICA Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:22:18 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6m7r5k$dst$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-82.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12963 Our webpage address is http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/mountain.html Our E-mail address is mountbee@iafrica.com We are Beekeepers specializing in the manufacturing of protective garments for beekeepers worldwide. Please take a look at our page and contact us for details on prices and delivery. All the best Robin and Stella Mountain Article 12964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:11:58 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3586FBBA.A0473D22@starpoint.net> References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> <357DF2B7.B605BF86@fcbl.net> <01bd9476$1891c4e0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898125160 15938 206.146.5.68 (17 Jun 1998 23:12:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1998 23:12:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12964 Lisa wrote: > Larry; > > What I want to use it for is as a temporary divide in one hive. I'm going > to put a new queen in the top and have the old queen below. I want to keep > the two sets of bees separate so that the ones with the old queen don't > kill the new one. This way I can get the new queen established on her own > but without completely separating the hives so that the two sets of bees > recognize each other when I put them back together. Lisa, Do as I have make one, it's very easy. Take a piece of 3/8 plywood exterior preferred, put a hive box ontop trace around it then get a saw out and cut it out. Then get some 1' by 2' strips ( actually 3/4" by 1 1/2 ")attach to the plywood all the way around the edge on side. Then cut a square hole out of the center the size isn't critical 6" X 12" okay. Get some window screen preferred metal then cover each side of the center hole. You can also just put 6 or 7 slits through the plywood with the power saw blade, no need to cover. That's it, place smooth side down over colony then put on the nuc you want to start, the nuc must have a hole bored into it or cut an entrance out the back of the swarm board. If you are using brood frames from the colony below it is best to point the nucs entrance to the rear, all old bees will return below young bees will stay. I made 30 of these this spring and they work very nice, I have used them to make up two queen colonies this spring, just pull up two frames from a strong colony put them above the swarm board in a nuc introduce a queen. After the queen is laying replace the swarm board with QX and your done. All the queens I have introduce have laid more eggs than the bees could care for within a few days after release, so swarm board was replaced with QX with no fighting. The bees move up from below to help take care of the newly hatched larvae. These are very nice tools for the beekeeper have fun with it. Elroy Article 12965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <1998061712215175982@zetnet.co.uk> <6m89eg$8bi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Re: FAQs and how to have them answered Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:18:34 +0100 Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-36.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3588575a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-36.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12965 Adam Finkelstein wrote in message <6m89eg$8bi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... >In article <1998061712215175982@zetnet.co.uk>, >Philip Roger Gurr wrote: >>The message <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> >> from "JAF" contains these words: >> >> >> >>> Mark Jensen wrote in message <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... >>> >On Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:55:41 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) >>> >wrote: >> >>> This conversation is intriguing to those of us who know little or nothiing >>> of BEE-L. >http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees > >Read the FAQ files. :-) > >Adam > Thanks, Adam. Much appreciated..... -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Richard D. Hackworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Subject: Re: Filling an empty hive (Conjecture!) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:12:55 -0400 Lines: 37 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.1.217.158 Message-ID: <35887826.0@199.103.243.32> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!jamie!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.hardlink.com!199.103.243.32!207.1.217.158 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12966 I would say that if done during April & May You would be lucky enough to pick up a scout bee............however if practiced during say July August you would not have as much luck. Please post your findings and conclusion to this experiment. I would like to know your results! Richard Hackworth B.S. M.A. Ed. 554 Station Branch Prestonsburg, Ky 41653 JAF wrote in message <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... >Let's say there are about 30,000 bees in a hive, and on a particular day, >when the weather is variable, and there are about 300/500 bees foraging, or >at least outside the hive. >Then, say, I catch any honey-bees which appear in my garden, and put them in >my empty hive. >It may be a few minutes before it finds its way out, during which time it >will have detected, and maybe 'picked up' the smell of the fresh foundation. >Say I do this regularly, so assume there have been bees from different >colonies. >Got all that? >OK. Question.....What do you reckon the chances are of one of these bees >passing on this information, so that a future swarm may be *aware* of a >potential new home? >I know swarms send out 'scout bees' to find 'premises', but I mean, >specifically, before swarming is imminent. >I already suspect what the answer will be, but would like to hear what >others think. >-- > jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk >"Age Quod Agis"-"Ne Cede Malis" > > Article 12967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new treatment with FGMO Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:41:22 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <35873ADF.E64DA26A@starpoint.net> References: <3586E6EA.FF9C0546@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898141323 18772 206.146.5.51 (18 Jun 1998 03:42:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1998 03:42:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12967 Hi everyone, I usually get quite a few emails after I post these recipes. My email is down I haven't been able to read it for a week, I'll try and clear it up tomorrow. So post questions here or wait a couple days before emailing questions. Thanks Elroy Article 12968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!sahart.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Shaun" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking to buy hive and bees - Surrey, UK Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:13:20 +0100 Message-ID: <898150462.3861.0.nnrp-02.c2de0bfb@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk:194.222.11.251 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 898150462 nnrp-02:3861 NO-IDENT sahart.demon.co.uk:194.222.11.251 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12968 Hi, I'm a very new beekeeper, having just obtained my first colony 3 weeks ago. So far so good - and I've actually found my queen! I would like to start one or two more colonies. If anyone is looking to sell some equipment and bees, please e-mail me on:- shaun@sahart.demon.co.uk many thanks Article 12969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:58:47 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6maocm$mr3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.183 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 18 09:58:47 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12969 > This conversation is intriguing to those of us who know little or nothiing > of BEE-L. Perhaps you might post some details of this service, for the > benefit of the uninitiated? I'm sure it would be aprectiated! If you go to http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee/ you will find links to subscribe to BEE-L or a filtered version of BEE-L: Best of Bee As well there is a list of foreign language Bee lists there. Allen -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:29:38 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 47 Message-ID: <6maq6h$qvi$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586CDA4.6778D1F5@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.183 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 18 10:29:38 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12970 Maybe we should call this thread 'Devasted by Misunderstanding'. What people need to know is that a major -- and possibly deciding -- factor in going to moderation on BEE-L was the repeated accidental and intentional posting of a number of large binaries to the list. Email lists are enjoyed by some people in areas of the world with primitive connections to the net and such large downloads bog their connections down and in some cases cost them money. The other factor is that -- like this group, BEE-L has logs going back many years and they are an invaluable resource for newbies and oldbies alike. It's a real drag when a search of the logs (LISTSERV logs are searchable: see http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/beel.htm )turns up a bunch of good info along with a half meg or so of gibberish such as a PFD file code or an *.xls file or HTML source. Overuse of quoting and monster vanity signatures also reduced readability and usefulness. As an aside: In case you have never visited the sci.agriculture.beekeeping logs, try http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/bee/sci.htm and look for the logs link. DejaNews keeps things around for quite a while too. Back to the subject: Moderation on BEE-L also has cut the flaming without any active attempt by the moderators (yes, there are a number of moderators and not all are in North America). It seems that knowing someone will read a nasty post and have to okay it puts a damper on such activity. I hope I'm not letting the cat out of the bag here, but I think people have to know that what made Aaron delay as long as he did in going to moderation and chosing the form that he did was due to his natural abhorance of censorship in any form. I've noticed that Aaron has been taking the all flack and not mentioning that he deliberately chose a number of people of diverse views and tastes to have moderation duties. People assume he is doing it all himself. Not true. Any post goes to all moderators simultaneously and any one can okay a post. No one moderator can kill it. Every moderator would have to ignore it. Personally, I always enjoyed Elroy's posts about FGMO and think that he would have no problem with BEE-L as it is now. And he is welcome to sign on any time by going to http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/beel.htm Allen -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!gatech!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!not-for-mail From: Michael Rulison Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new treatment with FGMO Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:44:11 -0700 Organization: North Carolina State University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <358943DB.43762BBC@unity.ncsu.edu> References: <3586E6EA.FF9C0546@starpoint.net> <35873ADF.E64DA26A@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ras3-13.ppp.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit) To: Elroy Rogers Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12971 1. Thanks, Elroy, to you and others who take the time to provide information and alternatives to the rest of us. 2. I have saved your post to read over and consider as an alternative to the Apistan, which seems to be a one-way road: once you use it any exposed frames are not thereafter to be used for honey production. Best, -- Michael v.E. Rulison 3256 LEWIS FARM RD, RALEIGH NC 27607-6723 Voice: 919/782-9576 (or, if you call first, FAX) Email: mrulison@unity.ncsu.edu Article 12972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Jack Kassinger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ross round comb honey sections Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:20:11 -0400 Organization: Micron Electronics, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <358905FB.37F2E469@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: jack18@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: bin-ny1-13.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Jun 18 5:22:52 AM PDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12972 I just received a Ross round comb honey section kit from Mann Lake bee supply. The system seems very complicated and I have suspitions that the packaging system might be more trouble than it's worth. Has anybody used this system before? Has anybody got any Ideas on the best system for producing comb honey on a small scale? Please respond as I am contemplating returning the ross system soon. Thanks Jack Article 12973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!news.memach.com!news From: Linda Campbell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new treatment with FGMO Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:09:30 -0400 Organization: Metro Machine Corp. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <35892DAA.7C91@memach.com> References: <3586E6EA.FF9C0546@starpoint.net> Reply-To: lcbell@memach.com NNTP-Posting-Host: mmc043.memach.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12973 Elroy, Would this be worth trying on a feral hive on my neighbors farm? The hive is in the transmission block of an old bulldozer. Last year I saw many bees at the enttrance with no wings. Someone said this was because the larvae had been affected by the mites. There are still healthy bees in the hive, coming and going and doing their thing. Removal of the hive is not practical. Dozer is overgrown with weeds and vines to the extent that I can't tell if loosened bolted cover I am seeing is only entrance. Snake infestation in the weeds and briars is a strong possibility. And we have three types of poisonous snake here, including the canebrake rattler. Could the bees take enough of the treatment into the hive from me spraying the entrance to make a difference? I hate to see these bees lost forever. I also hate the thought of minglng with my 2 hives and infecting them. Thanks, Linda Elroy Rogers wrote: > This works very nice, mineral oil stays mixed after spraying the bees > and top bars with it, this will not harm them ether. The bee quickly > clean themselves of the mixture. I still spray the front of the hive > with it, the bees clean the area very fast. The mixture will then be > feed to larvae and the varroa mites that go into the cell to reproduce > and feed on the larvae will be killed. The cell has always been a safe > place for the varroa mite until now. > > As always criticism and questions are always welcome. > > Elroy Article 12974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!jamie!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Michael Oberle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:37:54 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6mbfp8$b6g@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586CDA4.6778D1F5@starpoint.net> <35892e49.2268788@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: min-mn16-03.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Jun 18 9:38:00 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12974 I agree with all of you, But if you guys were my kids I would paddle all of you and send you to your rooms. This newsgroup is about bees. Take your little pissing contest private please. Could we get back to talking about BEES please. -- Thanks Michael Oberle NTS1@ix.netcom.com Minnesota The state where absolutely nothing is allowed. Article 12975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <35887826.0@199.103.243.32> <35891382.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Subject: Re: Filling an empty hive (Conjecture!) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:56:54 +0100 Lines: 45 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-3.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35894e9a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-3.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12975 JAF wrote in message <35891382.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... > >Richard D. Hackworth wrote in message <35887826.0@199.103.243.32>... >Please post your findings and conclusion >>to this experiment. I would like to know your results! >> >>Richard Hackworth B.S. M.A. Ed. >>554 Station Branch >>Prestonsburg, Ky 41653 >> >> >The weather here (North Lincolnshire, UK) has been abysmal for a while now, >so even foraging bees are somewhat rare in my garden at the moment, let >alone potential swarms! However, the forecast is for an improvement, so all >those swarms which have been waiting for the sun, should burst out any time! >Your message has gone into my 'pending' file, as a reminder....The fact that >any possible swarm has been confined to the hive, and will be particularly >anxious to find a 'home' may make the result I am looking for more >likely.......We live in hope!-- > jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk >"Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" > > > Further to above. This pm, I put 4 workers, all at different times into the hive. One came straight out and left, the others took about 1/2 to 1 minute, before leaving. Before putting them in the hive, I put a touch of modelling paint on their backs (a dull olive colour. If you are looking for it, it's easy to find, if you don't know it's there, you don't see it. This is in case another beekeeper is looking for his queen, he won't mistake a marked worker for her........). If I *do* get a result, I will be able to look for marked bees, to confirm that it was one of my 'subjects'! Of course, if no result buy the end of June, I'll probably (definitely!) end up buying a 'nuc'. -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: About BEE-L (Was Devasted by varroa) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 98 09:56:14 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 45 Message-ID: <17F788BCCS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12976 In article <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> "JAF" writes: >This conversation is intriguing to those of us who know little or nothiing >of BEE-L. Perhaps you might post some details of this service, for the >benefit of the uninitiated? I'm sure it would be aprectiated! The original charter for BEE-L follows. * BEE-L is for the discussion of research and information * concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees * and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about * sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, * genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower * nectar and pollen production of bees. BEE-L was created in July '89 and was originally owned by the late Dr. Edward Southwick. After Dr. Southwick's passing BEE-L became less populated by researchers and became more oriented towards practical beekeeping issues, although the discussion of bee biology and research is still strongly encouraged. The software behind the list is LISTSERV, hence BEE-L is a LISTSERV list and not a newsgroup. Subscribing to BEE-L requires that a user first communicate with the server software and potential users are reminded that service requests (SUBSCRIBE, SEARCH, ...) go to the server (LISTSERV@cnsibm.albany.edu) whereas posts go to the list (BEE-L@cnsibm.albany.edu). To subscribe to BEE-L send a single line of mail to: LISTSERV@cnsibm.albany.edu that reads: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L your name LISTSERV will return further instructions to the user as well as information regarding the use of LISTSERV software. Users are encouraged to become at least functionally literate with LISTSERV commands, which provide the ability to taylor personal subscription preferences as well as more powerful capabilities to search the BEE-L archives. There is a plethora of information contained in the nine years (!) of BEE-L discussions. Sincerely, Aaron Morris BEE-L Owner/Editor Article 12977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm hived today, have questions... Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:09:18 +0100 Organization: at home Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <358170E4.57A1@bar.com> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 898103496 nnrp-01:7324 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 38 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12977 Well done, The first one is never the worst, :-) but it usually gets easier. JAF's advice is good, however you can move them a short distance if you want within say 24 hours, as they havn't yet got to grips with thier new location and they do know that they have swarmed and are 'expecting' a new location. The old 3 feet 3 miles is for established hives and is not very accurate. In practice 1 mile will cause little problem but who can remember 3 feet 1 mile?. Best wishes Graham Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z .. Z .. ( \ Z / ) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ ! /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Logggie Baird 1928 :-\ Article 12978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!news.memach.com!news From: Linda Campbell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms everywhere! And a story to go with them Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:45:38 -0400 Organization: Metro Machine Corp. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <35880ED2.2359@memach.com> References: <3587aac4.2901184@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: lcbell@memach.com NNTP-Posting-Host: mmc043.memach.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) To: "fltdeck1[NO", SPAM]@ix.netcom.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12978 Given the severity of the homeowners plight and your inexperience,I would have called for help from a more experienced beekeeper (i'm a novice too). Hate to see the little girls die. Let us know how it turns out. Linds flightdeck wrote: > house apart is NOT an option for this homeowner, and he'll kill the > bees if I don't succeed. Article 12979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kishke744@aol.com (Kishke744) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee hives Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1998061806403500.CAA10379@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1998 06:40:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12979 Thanks to all who e-mailed me. My problem has been resolved. Article 12980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: josephj@NOSPAMsurf-ici.com (Mushroom) Subject: Re: Ross round comb honey sections References: <358905FB.37F2E469@ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:52:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.145.36 Message-ID: <35897faf.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 24 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12980 In article <358905FB.37F2E469@ix.netcom.com>, jack18@ix.netcom.com wrote: >I just received a Ross round comb honey section kit from Mann Lake bee >supply. The system seems very complicated and I have suspitions that >the packaging system might be more trouble than it's worth. Has anybody >used this system before? Has anybody got any Ideas on the best system >for producing comb honey on a small scale? Please respond as I am >contemplating returning the ross system soon. > > Thanks > Jack > I use Ross Rounds and they are actually quite simple. Remember to compare it to the alternitive comb products...cut comb has to drain and all that and basswod sections have to be built! The Hoggs half combs have to be cleaned at harvest. Trust me, Ross are a bunch simpler. You just do the labor on the front end. Now as to a method, Richard Taylor did an entire book on comb honey and primarily Ross Rounds, send for it. I am not one who is a 'mega' production type so I simply add the super on a regular hive and then keep an eye on it . I pull it as soon as it is complete. Last note is HAVE a market for it. Here in Indiana I have a lot of trouble selling comb honey. Extracted goes quickly in bulk. Article 12981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beefriend@aol.com (Beefriend) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: June 20 - Maryland State Beekeepers Meeting Date: 19 Jun 1998 01:33:26 GMT Lines: 27 Message-ID: <1998061901332600.VAA08463@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12981 Dear Readers: The Maryland State Beekeepers Assoc will hold its summer meeting, on June 20, at the Harford Community College in Bel Air, Md, from 9:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.. Our featured speakers will be Dr. Scott Camazine and Dr. Diane Sammataro of Penn State University, and Dr. James Amrine of West Virginia University. Dr. Camazine will speak on "Progress on Regional Research" (the regional mite research conducted by Md, Pa, NJ & De). Dr. Samataro will talk on her latest mite control work with plant oils. Her highly regarded book, "A Beekeeper's Handbook", now in its third edition, will be available for purchase from a beekeeping book vendor. Dr. Amrine will talk on "Essential Oils for Mite Control", so often discussed here. If you are interested in the latest on trachael mite control, this is the meeting you have to attend! In addition, a catered lunch will be available, for $7, limited to 75 people. Be sure to buy tickets when you arrive. DIRECTIONS: Harford community College is located at 401 Thomas Run Road, Bel Air, Md (410-836-4000), just off Md. Route 22, between Routes 543 and 136. From Baltimore, take I-95 north to exit 80, Rt. 543. Take Rt. 543 north about 6 miles to Rt 22. Turn right and take Rt 22 to the light at Thomas Run Road, turn left.. Watch for the yellow "BEE MTG" signs. From Delaware, take I-95 south to exit 85, Md Rt. 22. Take Rt. 22 to Churchville/Bel Air, cross Rt. 136, and pass the Campus Hill Shopping Center. Turn right at the light at Thomas Run Road. Watch for the yellow "BEE MTG" signs. Take a day off to catch up on your beekeeping knowledge Article 12982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new treatment with FGMO Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:53:48 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 58 Message-ID: <35888F48.CF40FFDC@starpoint.net> References: <3586E6EA.FF9C0546@starpoint.net> <35892DAA.7C91@memach.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.246 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898228471 4400 206.146.5.246 (19 Jun 1998 03:54:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1998 03:54:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12982 Linda Campbell wrote: > Elroy, > > Would this be worth trying on a feral hive on my neighbors farm? The > hive is in the transmission block of an old bulldozer. Last year I saw > many bees at the enttrance with no wings. Someone said this was because > the larvae had been affected by the mites. Hi Linda, Glad to hear of your interest in using mineral oil to save the feral hive. Bees hatching out with no wings and undersized bees is what I had experienced with my colonies last year, and my colonies would not increase in size very much until I started using mineral oil. I think its kind of interesting that the feral hive made it through the winter without dying out, maybe the hive has some resistance to the V-mites. > There are still healthy bees > in the hive, coming and going and doing their thing. Removal of the hive > is not practical. Dozer is overgrown with weeds and vines to the extent > that I can't tell if loosened bolted cover I am seeing is only entrance. > Snake infestation in the weeds and briars is a strong possibility. And > we have three types of poisonous snake here, including the canebrake > rattler. > > Could the bees take enough of the treatment into the hive from me > spraying the entrance to make a difference? I hate to see these bees > lost forever. I think it is very likely they will get enough from spraying the front of the entrance, and this would be an excellent challenge for the treatment to prove itself. I always like treating my colonies early in the morning ( started 6 AM) if I didn't open the colony, all I did was wet the entire face of the lower box and entrance. The bees didn't like it so they came out right away to clean up the mess I created. > I also hate the thought of minglng with my 2 hives and > infecting them. > When a hive starts to collapse from the V-mite the bees will start to drifting to other neighboring colonies, these bees will have sometimes up to 3 mites each attached to them. If you have a fairly strong colony going down from V-mites the bees from that colony can carry a lot of mites along with them into your own colonies. If you treat with apistan in the fall under these conditions it could be too late, because all the brood will be infested so severely, I think this is the main reason why a healthy looking colonies don't make it through the winter . Drifting bees is the main reason I like treating with mineral oil, any new bees drifting into the colony will get treated each week and treating weekly stays ahead of the 8 day brood cycle from egg to capping. Watch out for those snakes and good luck Elroy Article 12983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.60.22.3!xmission!news.inconnect.com!not-for-mail From: "Susan " Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: removal resource? Date: 19 Jun 1998 06:18:42 GMT Organization: Life is Huge! Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bd9b49$9a66fb00$ce1668c7@magiclink.com.magiclink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ttwin14.magiclink.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12983 Can someone help me find a resource for removing a hive from a tree in Twin Falls, Idaho? I've already called the "city" but since thier is no ordinance, they will not help. Thanks, Susan Article 12984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new treatment with FGMO Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 04:08:19 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 45 Message-ID: <6mco7j$mgb$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3586E6EA.FF9C0546@starpoint.net> <35892DAA.7C91@memach.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.15 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 19 04:08:19 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12984 In article <35892DAA.7C91@memach.com>, lcbell@memach.com wrote: regarding a feral colony in the area where Linda lives she wrote: >Last year I saw > many bees at the enttrance with no wings. Someone said this was because > the larvae had been affected by the mites. Shriveled up wings (looks like none on some severe cases) are most likely due to a virus (deformed wing virus) - this virus is usually seen in Varroa mite infested colonies - some colonies are much more resistant to it than others - and with viruses the possibility of actual immunity is there as well. >I hate to see these bees > lost forever. Why?? Survival of the fittest is the law Nature applies. If they crash earlier than two or three full years untreated they have simply shown that they do not have what it takes to live in a feral state these days. Most likely they are not some precious link - most likely they are escapees from your own hives a year or two ago - unless you are not the sole area beekeeper. >I also hate the thought of minglng with my 2 hives and > infecting them. Now ya got a mighty good concern there. Check out "Treatment Timing Tips" on my website. http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ Best wishes, Jack Griffes Onsted, MI -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:53:17 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 104 Message-ID: <3588B957.2689F87B@starpoint.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586CDA4.6778D1F5@starpoint.net> <35892e49.2268788@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.245 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898239240 6010 206.146.5.245 (19 Jun 1998 06:54:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1998 06:54:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12985 Hi Andy, I only have a few comments to add. Andy Nachbaur wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:55:22 -0500, Elroy Rogers > wrote: > > >Quote " I have been in tears almost because of what the so called Bee scientist > >on Bee-l have said to discredit my work and discredit mineral oil as a > >effective tool as a miticide" > > I saw all of this and much of what the good doctor sees as attack or > efforts to discredit his work has been no more then the asking of > questions of him that need to bee asked and answered. Early on his > skin was a little thin which in News Groups or Lists is an open > invitation to get slammed. When all the slamming was going on I was in contact with Dr. Rodriquez every day encouraging him not to leave the list, this is one of the reasons I posted so much on mineral oil on the list. I was hoping to engage the good Dr. into a discussion with his critics. I am still in contact with him and I know what he is working on, I just hope all the neigh sayers can except the truth when presented in a scientific way. One of the problems is that the so called smart people on the list can say mineral oil doesn't work with nothing to back up their statement and most just go along and except it because of the title behind the name. I must say ignorance can be dangerous, when I first heard of mineral oil from Dr. Rodriquez I was curios to find out if it really worked. > He is now a more experienced poster and I > believe he can carry his own water and does not need the help some > would give him. We shall see if the bee scientist and researchers on the list will give him any respect after his presentation. I only would like to ask why aren't any of the scientist doing experiments with mineral oil? I think their is no money grants for mineral oil. > > > News Groups, and Lists all suffer from one big problem and that is you > can not see into the posters mind and know their motives. More time > then not what one writes can be misunderstood by the reader and some > like myself do take advantage of this from time to time but few > actually set out to injure anyone. There is a whole lot to the > experience one gets by participating in this form of communications > and one of it's main advantage it is a fast way to communicate ideas > to a large focused group but there is also a learning curve and it > does involve some pain sometimes. > Well Andy I don't think of any of this as painful, I truly enjoy sharing ideas with others about beekeeping, I only hope I will get to met some of the beekeepers on the group. And as for motives, I remember when I first posted on the group using a business name. I changed it to my real name because I want everyone to know who I am and not hide behind an anonymous name. Maybe I'll be remembered in some small way in helping to get mineral oil started as a miticide. For the chemical companies I really think it is unfair for them to take money from beekeepers for over ten years with big profits and no other research on the control of mites until now. The chemical giants knew as well as researchers that apistan would only last for ten years, some of that profit should of been going for more research. The beekeeper paid for the research by buying the product at their inflated prices. Now pretty soon we are going to be asked to take it in the shorts again from our beloved government by surrendering another 1 cent per pound on our honey for more research. The beekeepers are paying for the research twice! So wake up beekeepers the chemical companies only want your money they could care less if your in business tomorrow, unless you haven't paid your bill! > >scientist will get nothing in proving mineral oil as a effective miticide. They > >get grants from the chemical companies for keeping the beekeepers slaves too > >the big chemical companies, and you just become part of there cover-up. > > I could have said that. > > >I have no wish or plans to return to a censored list. > > Well that's one choice but most good Lists and News Group are subject > to some form of censorship. Aarons big mistake was making his work > for the List public. Adam has done much the opposite and that also can > be a problem. I guess there is no way to please everyone and if you > don't want to read and write beekeeping with others in the B-list then > maybe its our loss, or is it yours,.. as we are only one. We all add some spice to the group or list by contributing our posts, lets hope we can all learn a little today. > > > > >you must really fear what I may say on your precious list. > > This is not the OJ way, its the way of a juvenile who is burning his > bridges. Burn baby burn. Come on Andy, juvenile? I only was inferring that Aaron must be worried about my posts, nothing more. Elroy Article 12986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 05:26:43 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6mcsqi$qqk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586CDA4.6778D1F5@starpoint.net> <35892e49.2268788@news.jps.net> <6mbfp8$b6g@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.187 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 19 05:26:43 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12986 In article <6mbfp8$b6g@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>, "Michael Oberle" wrote: > > I agree with all of you, But if you guys were my kids I would paddle all of > you and send you to your rooms. > > This newsgroup is about bees. Take your little pissing contest private > please. > > Could we get back to talking about BEES please. Hmmm. Excuse me for asking, but, by posting the above, did you not become one of those about whom you are complaining? -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:03:37 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35892e49.2268788@news.jps.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586CDA4.6778D1F5@starpoint.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.20 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.20 Lines: 101 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12987 On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:55:22 -0500, Elroy Rogers wrote: >Aaron Morris wrote: >> Elroy Rogers writes: >> >I hope Adam doesn't go the route of censoring the news group. Adam tries and rightly so as we have seen a few posts in bad form. Its harder with a News Group then a List but can be more serious for the offending poster if it becomes necessary. >> I know I'll regret this, but as the owner/editor/moderator/dedicated Yes, all good news groups and lists have these its part of the technology someone has to do the work. >inflammatory remarks on bee-l, so I being set to review can not defend mineral >oil as a miticide when the bee scientists on bee-l say it doesn't work I personally don't like the list "review" option as it at its best delays the receiving of mail or posts but it does not necessarily have to be used to actually "censor" posters. But of course if you are using the list to promote a idea or product and are asked to back off that is to some censorship to others it is just good policy. >Quote " I have been in tears almost because of what the so called Bee scientist >on Bee-l have said to discredit my work and discredit mineral oil as a >effective tool as a miticide" I saw all of this and much of what the good doctor sees as attack or efforts to discredit his work has been no more then the asking of questions of him that need to bee asked and answered. Early on his skin was a little thin which in News Groups or Lists is an open invitation to get slammed. He is now a more experienced poster and I believe he can carry his own water and does not need the help some would give him. News Groups, and Lists all suffer from one big problem and that is you can not see into the posters mind and know their motives. More time then not what one writes can be misunderstood by the reader and some like myself do take advantage of this from time to time but few actually set out to injure anyone. There is a whole lot to the experience one gets by participating in this form of communications and one of it's main advantage it is a fast way to communicate ideas to a large focused group but there is also a learning curve and it does involve some pain sometimes. >scientist will get nothing in proving mineral oil as a effective miticide. They >get grants from the chemical companies for keeping the beekeepers slaves too >the big chemical companies, and you just become part of there cover-up. I could have said that. >> Since BEE-L has been moderated it has become a much better forum. >> Excessive requoted material is no longer there. Off topic comments are >> no longer there. ELROY ROGERS is no longer there! I agree with Aaron on the job of the list owner and the technological issues, I would add that to moderate a list has one advantage to all and that is the reduction of the volume of posting and it has been know in other groups to reduce it to -0- in a relative short time. Not necessarily because of what is removed but because of the large gaps in sending and receiving posts because of the delays built into censorship or moderation. I believe a little Junk Mail is better then NO mail at all.. >I have no wish or plans to return to a censored list. Well that's one choice but most good Lists and News Group are subject to some form of censorship. Aarons big mistake was making his work for the List public. Adam has done much the opposite and that also can be a problem. I guess there is no way to please everyone and if you don't want to read and write beekeeping with others in the B-list then maybe its our loss, or is it yours,.. as we are only one. >If I challenge a bee scientist or some one that has been in a government >position on bee-l, how can this be throwing stones. All depends on how you do that. <"It is possible to cut someone's throat without getting bloody" OJ> >you must really fear what I may say on your precious list. This is not the OJ way, its the way of a juvenile who is burning his bridges. The list owner/editor/moderator is a real JOB and one that has to be done and has few rewards. Its easy for you and I to come and go on the list but the JOB of the list owner or News group administrator remains the same, just that a thankless job. ttul, the OLd Drone Get MOONed at: http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 12988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <35887826.0@199.103.243.32> Subject: Re: Filling an empty hive (Conjecture!) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:31:16 +0100 Lines: 51 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-43.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35891382.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-43.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12988 Richard D. Hackworth wrote in message <35887826.0@199.103.243.32>... Please post your findings and conclusion >to this experiment. I would like to know your results! > >Richard Hackworth B.S. M.A. Ed. >554 Station Branch >Prestonsburg, Ky 41653 > > >JAF wrote in message <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... >>Let's say there are about 30,000 bees in a hive, and on a particular day, >>when the weather is variable, and there are about 300/500 bees foraging, or >>at least outside the hive. >>Then, say, I catch any honey-bees which appear in my garden, and put them >in >>my empty hive. >>It may be a few minutes before it finds its way out, during which time it >>will have detected, and maybe 'picked up' the smell of the fresh >foundation. >>Say I do this regularly, so assume there have been bees from different >>colonies. >>Got all that? >>OK. Question.....What do you reckon the chances are of one of these bees >>passing on this information, so that a future swarm may be *aware* of a >>potential new home? >>I know swarms send out 'scout bees' to find 'premises', but I mean, >>specifically, before swarming is imminent. >>I already suspect what the answer will be, but would like to hear what >>others think. >>-- >> jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk >>"Age Quod Agis"-"Ne Cede Malis" >> >> > > The weather here (North Lincolnshire, UK) has been abysmal for a while now, so even foraging bees are somewhat rare in my garden at the moment, let alone potential swarms! However, the forecast is for an improvement, so all those swarms which have been waiting for the sun, should burst out any time! Your message has gone into my 'pending' file, as a reminder....The fact that any possible swarm has been confined to the hive, and will be particularly anxious to find a 'home' may make the result I am looking for more likely.......We live in hope!-- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee hives Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998061815571900.LAA06344@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1998 15:57:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998061806403500.CAA10379@ladder01.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12989 I hope your catholic! Now go to confession and do penance for each one of the little girls you murdered. Article 12990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998061912565200.IAA02520@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jun 1998 12:56:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3588B957.2689F87B@starpoint.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12990 I don't get it BEE-L is free -hasn't cost me a dime And it hasn't lost any beekeeping content. Have to hang these fools with a new rope I guess. Article 12991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:15:57 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <3588A288.A79A49CB@starpoint.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586CDA4.6778D1F5@starpoint.net> <6maq6h$qvi$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.246 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898233399 5159 206.146.5.246 (19 Jun 1998 05:16:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1998 05:16:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12991 AllenDick@my-dejanews.com wrote: > Maybe we should call this thread 'Devasted by Misunderstanding'. Hi Allen, This is probably correct, I hope people don't get the idea that I am a person out to get Aaron for making Bee-l a moderated list. I should have been a little more clear on what I was after. I didn't mind bee-l going to a moderated list as long as it treated everyone equally, in which it does not. When I sent my posts to bee-l they were sent with time and date, after posting to the list that time and date showed a 2 hour gap and for some 6 to 8 hours. This is still no problem, what I object to is other posters emails being sent directly through, you see I sat at my computer for several hours different days to catch this. So there is my BIG GRIP with the list unfair treatment, I don't ever want special treatment but treated just the same as others. So if I am set to review so should you and all the others on the list. You see if you or any one else (being set to no review) makes a comment on the list which I (being set to review) may disagree with could not challenge it because the moderator may think it was inflammatory toward the you or other posters. This seem pretty unfair to me just look at it from my side of the fence. I have sent an alternative suggestion for using review and no review on bee-l but Aaron being the boss was up to no compromise, well I think we all need to realize the art of compromise and consider what others think. Maybe Aaron just handled it wrong as not to consider suggestions from any one, kinda like me in a china shop. > Personally, I always enjoyed Elroy's posts about FGMO and think that he would > have no problem with BEE-L as it is now. And he is welcome to sign on any > time by going to http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/beel.htm > I was surprised when I got an email from someone that was on the best of bee list asking for more info, in which I know you run. I thank you for your comments, but I still will never sign on to a list where I think there is prejudice against 1 or more on the list. I will truly miss posters like yourself and others, you always took criticism very well, and I hope I can always do the same. We all need to lighten up and not take things said so personally, have some fun. After all isn't that what beekeepers do all day. Well hope I got my point across this time Elroy Article 12992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leave 'em alone? Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:44:59 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 14 Message-ID: <358A5D4B.536F@nt.com> References: <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com> <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6m42of$lbp$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <6m4moi$ic1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12992 Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > Some folks use "typing correction fluid" I've used this for 6 years with no ill effects but YOU MUST use the solvent free variety. In the UK this is normaly sold in bottles with a green label but read the ingredients to make sure. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Filling an empty hive (Conjecture!) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:31:48 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 18 Message-ID: <358A5A34.A20@nt.com> References: <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <35887826.0@199.103.243.32> <35891382.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <35894e9a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12993 JAF wrote: > If I *do* get a result, I will be able to look for marked bees, to confirm > that it was one of my 'subjects'! > Of course, if no result buy the end of June, I'll probably (definitely!) end > up buying a 'nuc'. > -- Register with your local council's 'pest' officer and the local police as someone willing to take swarms away. You'll probably have more swarms than you know what to do with. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <35887826.0@199.103.243.32> <35891382.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <35894e9a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <358A5A34.A20@nt.com> Subject: Re: Filling an empty hive (Conjecture!) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:21:33 +0100 Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-28.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <358a96eb.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-28.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12994 Adrian Kyte wrote in message <358A5A34.A20@nt.com>... >JAF wrote: > >> If I *do* get a result, I will be able to look for marked bees, to confirm >> that it was one of my 'subjects'! >> Of course, if no result buy the end of June, I'll probably (definitely!) end >> up buying a 'nuc'. >> -- > >Register with your local council's 'pest' officer and the local police >as someone willing to take swarms away. You'll probably have more swarms >than you know what to do with. > Good advice......but....(there's always one of those!), That's how I started, years ago, and how I filled my 'out-hives' (one at my sister's house, and one at my mother's), but now my wierd neighbours (who hate anything that moves, including other humans), have gone to live somewhere else, I thought I'd put a hive in my own garden, and do this experiment, purely for myself, I don't expect to prove anything, but might at least demonstrate a possibility! -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 12:35:19 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 203 Message-ID: <17F79B10BS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net> <6m9b65$n38$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3586F335.A8D6712C@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12995 Seems that this misnamed "devastated by varroa" discussion is one that is only going to die by not touching it. Last time from me, I promise. Responses to the latest spate of posts follow. > From what I have seen on Bee-l some are set to review (censored) and > some are set to no review (not censored). LISTSERV will only show users' subscription options to two people, the actual subscriber and the list owner. What you see on BEE-L is not what is contained in LISTSERV's configuration files. ALL BEE-L subscriptions are set to REVIEW. Elroy, you are making an uninformed claims. > ... I being set to review can not defend mineral oil as a miticide > when the bee scientists on bee-l say it doesn't work First off, for the record, NOT ONE of your posts to BEE-L has ever been rejected. You continue to make inflammatory remarks about being censored yet nothing you have ever posted has been rejected! Even your drivel about censorship was posted. Concerning the critiques of Dr. Rodriguez's studies, again you slant the facts with your own interpretations. There has never been a claim or declaration that mineral oil as a miticide is just hogwash or that it pure dee just doesn't work. The discussions have always been to the effect that the manner in which Dr. R. conducted his studies has not been sufficient to draw the conclusion he has, let alone proclaiming his findings to the beekeeping world. Personally I hope he is correct, I pray that the answer to the varroa scourge is as simple and benign and right in front of our eyes and as obvious as Pedro claims it is. I truly hope that is the case. However, from an unbiased and neutral position one cannot deny that his studies lacked the proper experimental design and controls to arrive at valid conclusions based in the science of hypothesis testing. The discussion has never been "It Works, no it doesn't, yes it does, no it doesn't, ....". The discussion has always been, "It works, my experiments prove it, your experimental design was flawed, no it wasn't, yes it was, well, maybe the design was flawed but I'm confident of the results nonetheless, well you need a better design, perhaps so, I'm leaving the fray to do more experiments that may be sufficient to satisfy all the nay sayers, farewell BEE-L". Elroy, I have met the good Dr. I have shaken his hand and have had extensive conversation regarding his studies. I find him a charming man, perhaps a little excitable, who staunchly believes and steadfastly defends the work he's done to arrive at the conclusions he has. I have also met prominent bee researchers, shaken their hands and have had extensive conversations with them regarding their studies and their opinions of other researchers' studies, including Dr. R's. Can you make the same claim? Or are you yet again proclaiming something based on your limited background? Discussions with researchers almost always touch on the point that there are many as yet unproven remedies competing for limited funding to do proper experiments to arrive at conclusions that will stand up to the science of hypothesis testing. This is the second time I have mentioned "the science of hypothesis testing", which is the crux of the bee scientists vs practical beekeeper debate. The science of hypothesis testing demands that experiments be designed to collect data which can be graphed to hopefully yield a bell curve with the majority of the experimental data falling within so many standard deviations of the median and that the graphical representation of the test hypothesis encompasses a statistically significant portion of the collected test data. Following all that? I'm not, I've worked long and hard to forget all that statistical jargon. And there will always be dissenting researchers who will claim that the experiment design was flawed or the test hypothesis was incorrectly stated and that the conclusion based on the flawed studies is not valid. Such has been the criticism of Dr. R's studies. No one has stated that a varroa mite slathered in mineral oil will not die. I lost 75% of my bee stock to varroa in the season of '95/'96. I restocked in '96, built back up and in the fall of '96 I had no varroa that I know of. Nonetheless I treated with Apistan that fall and have not missed a treatment cycle (spring and fall) since. Based on that and the fact that I see no signs of varroa in my hives today I hypothesize that Apistan is an effective control for varroa. Suppose instead I treated with mineral oil following the prescribed procedures since fall '96. Again I could hypothesize that since I have no varroa in my hives today that mineral oil is an effective treatment. I also know at lease two beekeepers in my area who haven't treated at all since '96 and have no signs in their hives today, or at least so they say and gamble. One might hypothesize that no treatment is an effective treatment. However, without properly designed experiments with control hives and data collection OVER MANY SEASONS and statistical analysis of the collected data, any one of the above three hypotheses are subject to critique and criticism. It might just be possible that varroa was so successful in '95/'96 that it wiped itself out along with its hosts. Imagine that, a dark horse reason that wasn't even considered in the hypothesis testing! Such has been the criticism of Dr. R's work. > the researchers and bee scientist will get nothing in proving mineral > oil as a effective miticide. Get nothing? Well, recognition is something, professional accomplishment is something. Did Dr. Sammaturo get a kick back from the makers of Crisco for her work with tracheal mites? I don't know, but I doubt it. Did she receive nothing for her work? Absolutely not! Her career was advanced. There WILL be compensation. Although the signature on the check may not be Mr. Crisco or Ms. Chemical Company, Diana will not receive nothing! And why is it assumed that since food grade mineral oil is sanctioned by the branches of government that exist to protect us from ourselves that the very same branches of government will also sanction its use in bee hives? That's a giant assumption and one that is most likely flawed. > and you just become part of there cover-up. Give me a break! Do you even read the drivel you write? > You have gone on vacation and left me hang there on review for ten > days every one else could post freely, you must really fear what I > may say on your precious list. Again you haven't a clue about what you're saying, but it certainly doesn't stop you. My "vacation" was time away from my day job to tend to my bees. While I was away BEE-L was moderated by three other members and while I'm here BEE-L is moderated by four members, any one of whom can approve a submission, all four of whom must pass in order for a submission to be rejected. It amazes me how you can take such a firm stance on something about which you know so little! > ... I only objected to bee-l becoming moderated (censored) for this > I have ben set to review or censored. Elroy you have been repeatedly told that ALL subscribers on BEE-L were set to review, it's a configuration parameter buddy, it's nothing personal. Make of it what you will. > ... what everyone doesn't know is that the private emails between > (Aaron and I) has made me feel very unwelcome on bee-l. Elroy, up until this response I have never publicly been other than courteous and respectful to you. You cannot make the same claim. Heretofore public declarations of what a trasher of free speech I am have been met with courteous explanations of the difference between moderation and censorship, you simply refuse to acknowledge the difference. If private responses from me to you regarding your public slanderous statements towards me have made you feel unwelcome on BEE-L I regret that. I value your beekeeping contributions. > ... just because you have title after your name doesn't give one > a pass. I have no title, I have no passes. I check my facts, try to get them correct, and if I don't know what I'm talking about I keep my mouth shut. Better to keep your mouth closed and appear a fool that open it and leave no doubt! > As I post I hope to draw lots of flames and scrutiny I suspect your wish will be granted. "George Styer" wrote: >> Ok, I am still waiting for you to provide some evidence to support >> your prior inference that fluvalinate is a carcinogenic. So please >> let the truth come out. > I tried to find where I found it but was unable to do so, I know I > should have had proof before posting it.... Nothing to add here, just thought it warranted repeating. Readers can draw their own conclusions. > Now formic acid is being approved for use in bee hives, what crap to > put in a beehive when we are all so proud of our product (honey). Hmmmm, formic acid is a component in honey. Seems less foreign than any other heretofore mentioned hive additive. > If he really wants to cut out wordy reposts he should only put on > review (censor) only those quilty of it. One nice thing about being > the moderator you can send back any post to sender without anyone > finding out other than sender, thus killing all criticism. For the benefit of the clueless and those who care to know, this is how it works. The list owner sends a single command to LISTSERV and instantly ALL subscribers are set to REVIEW status, no passes for anyone. From then on, ALL posts are first submitted to the list moderators, any one of whom can approve the post. Approved posts are sent to all subscribers. Only a post that remains unapproved by all of the moderators remains unposted. Posts that are not approved DO NOT get sent back to the sender, they remain in LISTSERV's file space for a number of days at which time LISTSERV figures they aren't going to be approved and they are deleted. "Returned to Sender" only happens if the moderator goes out of his/her way to receive the rejected post and return it to the sender. If that courtesy is not extended by a moderator, the sender only knows if their post was accepted by seeing it on the list. Setting individual subscribers to NOREVIEW requires a LISTSERV command for each individual to be set. Not much work for the man who doesn't have to do it but a monumental task for the list owner. Allen Dick wrote: > Personally, I always enjoyed Elroy's posts about FGMO and think that > he would have no problem with BEE-L as it is now. And he is welcome > to sign on any time by going to http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/beel.htm I agree. Unfortunately none is so blind as he who will not see. Aaron Morris - thinking I'll not respond to this topic anymore. Article 12996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Follow Up on Kissmyair Down Under? Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:31:54 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <358a9072.44876646@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.30 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.30 Lines: 111 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12996 Passed over from the BEE List for your eyes only. WARNING: Juveniles and those easily offended should not read my posts and then complain they were not WARNED that some will bee off ended..... *********************************************************** Original POST from June 6 Is here anyone who nows somthing abut "kashmir virus".We have heard here in Denmark , that in Australia is wery manny bees dead of virus, that is infektet whith the varroa mite. Reagards F.Rasmussen. ***un edited*****un cut*****nothing added****nothing removed******* >Rob Bowman >Apiary Inspector >Bathurst >Recent posts mention a supposed outbreak, occurrence, incidence to varying >degrees of Kashmir virus in Australia. Hi Mr. Apiary Inspector, "POSTS", I guess I missed them? I passed on "ONE" (1) post from a beekeeper who asked in the Sci.Agric.Beekeeping News Group if anyone had heard of a lot of bees beeing killed in Australia, as he had heard, because or from Kashmir virus. A honest and as straight forward a question as one could ask. >I am unaware of any such reports eminating from within Australia. I believe that was the answer to his question and you could have answered it without all this other stuff and I would be the first to line up on your side, but by adding all this "rumor" and national economic interest stuff you are raising at least my own suspicions when I had none? And the fact that I received a personal post on the subject from another person in Australia the same day as finding your post here does make me wonder just a little. All you guys down under been out to lunch at the same time? >The implication of such rumours are that they may affect Australia's export >package and queen bee industry. Golly gee maybe the original poster who is in Denmark, I believe, will be able to make up the loss if things get real bad down under, or maybe beekeepers in Denmark import bees from Australia, I don't know but did not see any sinister motive in the original post. >If anyone can inform me of a reliable source of information so that >accurate details can be provided to BEE-L it would be most appreciated. If you are not that "reliable source" then who is? >I will endevour to speak with industry representatives to ascertain their >knowledge. That's fair, and also surprising as I would think that the industry would be passing on this kind of information to you, such as a dramatic loss to bees, unless they did not want it known about it? Maybe you would also want to at least find out a small fact that you may or may not be aware of and that is do you have the Kashmir virus in your country? I think I know the answer to that one but do not want to be accused of starting a rumor so I would like to hear it from a reliable source. Some equate the loss of bees from any virus, and we have most of them just about every place they have been looked for in our honeybees, with bee mites. I don't myself and believe that under the right environmental conditions several if not all together the virus can do a job on wide areas of beekeeping without any outside help from man or mites. I also believe I have seen this many times in the past before mites became so popular in the bees here in the US. Few others are believers, one reason being it is hard to separate bee losses from pesticides, natural plant poisonings, and now predators, plus in the US the cost of ID'ing a bee virus in bees is outrageous and for many years NOT even done on this continent. It really matters little as with all bee virus there is no cure other then time in good pasture to replace what is lost if anything remains alive and healthy. And I am reasonably sure NO silver bullet is going to be announced this century as the big interest and money is in killing the Vampire mites with chemicals of one flavor or another even in the labs that could do more research on bee virus. That's the area that has the big money involvement and that is what drives our so called "public" bee research (BS) in the USA and much of the world. SPRAY don't Pray!, is the cry of the huckster hacking pesticides to the farmer beekeeper outside the hall as inside the government BS man reports on the problem of the day in beekeeping that is sure to end it all for all bee keepers. The sky is falling, and its blue..... Finding a silver bullet for what ails our bees pails in comparison to the rewards from selling blue pills for old tired erectile love muscles. Speaking of the old drones of the world who are going to have to cut back on their activity to once a day from three to four times as ten bucks for little blue pills is just too much to pay and more then most ever paid at the best of blue light houses in the old days for an all nighter, so I have been told. ttul, the OLd Drone Get MOONed at http://beenet.com "News for and from beekeepers" (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 12997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Michael Oberle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:00:45 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6me5g7$og0@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586CDA4.6778D1F5@starpoint.net> <35892e49.2268788@news.jps.net> <6mbfp8$b6g@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> <6mcsqi$qqk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: min-mn13-12.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jun 19 10:00:55 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12997 >Hmmm. Excuse me for asking, but, by posting the above, did you not become one >of those about whom you are complaining? Not hardly. I didnt take sides. I agree with some points of both or all sides. However this has become a personal discussion between Elroy and his followers and Aaron and his. It isnt about Bee's. I am well within my rights to say "STOP". -- Thanks Michael Oberle NTS1@ix.netcom.com Minnesota The state where absolutely nothing is allowed. Article 12998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:20:27 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6mea5a$vg9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586CDA4.6778D1F5@starpoint.net> <6maq6h$qvi$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <3588A288.A79A49CB@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 19 18:20:27 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12998 In article <3588A288.A79A49CB@starpoint.net>, Elroy Rogers wrote: > I should have been a little more clear on what I was after. > > I didn't mind bee-l going to a moderated list as long as it treated everyone > equally, in which it does not. When I sent my posts to bee-l they were sent > with time and date, after posting to the list that time and date showed a 2 > hour gap and for some 6 to 8 hours. This is still no problem, what I object > to is other posters emails being sent directly through, you see I sat at my > computer for several hours different days to catch this. There is still a bit of lag, depending how often the moderation crew signs on and okays the queue. However I find quite a lag here on USENET. And here on USENET, not all articles get in or out of many sites. > So there is my BIG GRIP with the list unfair treatment, I don't ever want > special treatment but treated just the same as others. So if I am set to > review so should you and all the others on the list. You see if you or any > one else (being set to no review) makes a comment on the list which I (being > set to review) may disagree with could not challenge it because the moderator > may think it was inflammatory toward the you or other posters. This seem > pretty unfair to me just look at it from my side of the fence. Yeah, you're right , of course, but what you have to understand is that Aaron was new to the moderation thing and was experimenting with ways to avoid using a moderator. Some of the ideas were'nt too good and he would be the first to admit it. What was particularly funny was that several of the few he tried putting on 'NO Review' goofed up and sent LISTSERV commands to the list. Now NOBODY is set to 'no review' (Aaron was one of those who slipped and is now on 'review'). A lot has changed since you left and, of course we miss you. I rea> References: <358905FB.37F2E469@ix.netcom.com> <35897faf.0@news3.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 19 18:37:34 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12999 > In article <358905FB.37F2E469@ix.netcom.com>, jack18@ix.netcom.com wrote: > >I just received a Ross round comb honey section kit from Mann Lake bee > >supply. The system seems very complicated and I have suspitions that > >the packaging system might be more trouble than it's worth. Has anybody > >used this system before? Has anybody got any Ideas on the best system > >for producing comb honey on a small scale? Please respond as I am > >contemplating returning the ross system soon. > Trust me, Ross are a bunch simpler. You just do the labor on the > front end. > Last note is HAVE a market for it. Here in Indiana I have a lot of trouble > selling comb honey. Extracted goes quickly in bulk. I used to be a large producer of Ross Rounds. We have lately gone to pollination and not made any Rounds for a few years, however RR always did very nicely for me. We sold 30,000 a year or so into export. (Boy am I glad I'm not exporting to Japan now!) I'm going to make a few again for fun again this year. Ross Rounds are great gifts and it is simple to sell a thousand or less locally. For production information go to www.RossRounds.com and also search the BEE-L archives for extensive discussion on managing Ross Rounds hives. To search BEE-L go to http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/bee/ and choose the BEE-L link. You must subscribe to BEE-L to search, however if you don't want eamil from BEE-L, just set the list to NOMAIL as soon as you sign on and it will be silent. Then you have all membership privileges including search. Allen FWIW, I do have about 40 almost new supers c/w frames to sell atb $22 US each plus $7.50 shipping. Visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BeeAds/ for details. There's an ad there somewhere. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 13000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!elrnd1.el.dow.com!165.216.8.37 From: "Lisa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new treatment with FGMO Date: 19 Jun 98 15:09:47 GMT Organization: DowElanco Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bd9bbe$3480f500$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> References: <3586E6EA.FF9C0546@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: elinet1.dowagro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13000 Where can I buy small quantities of FGMO? Lisa Article 13001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new treatment with FGMO Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 21:36:57 +0100 Message-ID: <1998061921365775982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <3586E6EA.FF9C0546@starpoint.net> <01bd9bbe$3480f500$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13001 The message <01bd9bbe$3480f500$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> from "Lisa" contains these words: > Where can I buy small quantities of FGMO? > Lisa Is this what we call `liquid paraffin' in the UK? Phil. (still varroa free - but preparing) Article 13002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: dugan1@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Buffing" bees - What are they doing? Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 00:54:15 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6mf17n$b8g$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.230.80.50 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 19 15:22:54 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13002 For several days now I've noticed about 3-10 bees on the landing board in front of the hive, going over the freshly-painted surface with a motion that looks very much like the one humans use to "buff" the wax on a car. The bees use both front legs simultaneously. There are a few (maybe 30) small yellow spots on the board that seemed to all appear over one or two days, but these seem to stay put, and the "buffing" doesn't seem to occur around these spots anyway. I'm not concerned about this behavior, but I haven't read about it in any of the books I've been reading, and I wonder if any of the many experts out there could satisfy my curiosity as to what these "buffing" bees are up to. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 13003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 02:58:01 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6mf8fo$km2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586CDA4.6778D1F5@starpoint.net> <35892e49.2268788@news.jps.net> <6mbfp8$b6g@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> <6mcsqi$qqk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6me5g7$og0@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 20 02:58:01 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13003 In article <6me5g7$og0@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com>, "Michael Oberle" wrote: > > >Hmmm. Excuse me for asking, but, by posting the above, did you not become > > one of those about whom you are complaining? > > Not hardly. I didnt take sides. I agree with some points of both or > all sides. However this has become a personal discussion between Elroy > and his followers and Aaron and his. It isnt about Bee's. I am well > within my rights to say "STOP". I guess you didn't get it. Allen -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 13004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <358B9C1B.B9CA9381@zzclinic.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:25:16 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Michael Oberle Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa - the real issue References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586CDA4.6778D1F5@starpoint.net> <35892e49.2268788@news.jps.net> <6mbfp8$b6g@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> <6mcsqi$qqk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6me5g7$og0@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.228.204.102 X-Trace: 20 Jun 1998 07:27:22 -0500, 207.228.204.102 Lines: 36 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.156.97.247!news.destek.net!207.228.204.102 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13004 Michael Oberle wrote: > It isnt about Bee's. I am well > within my rights to say "STOP". Michael, Actually, it is about bees. It gets down to credibility and the use of FGMO to treat bees. The one thing I have seen in all the discussions about FGMO is that many of those who use it, defend it as true believers and reject any and all questioning, reasonable or not. Just look at the response on this group. FGMO is unproven. There are many who have used it and claim success. There were many who used essential oils and claimed success. But there are only a few who do now, because many who put their trust in EO lost most of their hives. Just think about what is being discussed. FGMO is an effective treatment of varroa. Who says? Someone on the Internet. Any scientific proof? Yes. Dr. R. proved it. Was it done in a normal scientific proof? FLAME with attacks on scientists, corporations, the parenthood of the questioner and other distractions. Crisco treatment was proved in the labs. Apistan treatment was proved in the labs. Terra treatment was proved in the labs. And on and on. FGMO was proved on the Internet. And that seems to be enough for many. The Internet also brought us the use of mavrik for the treatment of varroa, and that has proven to be an absolute disaster for all beekeepers. So the discussion is not - you said, I said. It is fundamental in how we approach beekeeping. BTW, I am editor of our state newsletter. I like the bee-l because it gives me loads of ideas and is very cutting edge in many beekeeping areas. I file many of the posts for future reference, especially Allans and Arrons, who are generally right on. I have disagreed with them on occasion, and they with me, usually on the different approaches of hobby beekeepers to those of commercial beekeepers. But it was reasoned disagreement. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME remove zz before ...clinic.net to reply directly Article 13005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: 20 Jun 1998 14:34:30 GMT Lines: 37 Message-ID: <1998062014343000.KAA07567@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <35876076.1789F940@world.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13005 In article <35876076.1789F940@world.com>, Pete & Janine writes: >Brad Faber wrote: >> >> I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have >had >> so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. >> Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits >> mature. >> >> Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a >> home garden? >> >> -- > >Borage will attract a lot of bees and so will thyme. Borage is also a >good companion plant to help improve the flavor. > So will squash, melons and fruit blossoms. That is a vital clue you are missing, Pete & Janine. If the bees aren't out there, you cannot attract them. Better to try to attract a beekeeper. Or become one. Mason bees are good for home fruit, but are dormant by the time the garden veggies grow. The only way to be sure to get bees there is to have honeybee hives nearby. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.94.128.13!news.javanet.com!not-for-mail From: csdixon Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:28:27 -0400 Organization: JavaNet Cafe Lines: 15 Message-ID: <358BB8FB.6853E10F@javanet.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35876076.1789F940@world.com> Reply-To: csdixon@javanet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: armory-us245.javanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) To: Pete & Janine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8218 rec.gardens:266486 rec.gardens.edible:11344 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13006 sci.agriculture.fruit:1944 Thanks for the idea! I was at our local farmer's market on Thursday and asked a woman the name of a plant with pretty purple flowers. It turns out it is Borage. I had just read about this plant on the list the night before. It is now living amongst my yellow squash and zuchinni plants. I hope it helps, although I will miss those trips to the garden with the paintbrush 8^) -Susan Western Mass > Borage will attract a lot of bees and so will thyme. Borage is also a > good companion plant to help improve the flavor. > > J9 Article 13007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEENEWS from Australia Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:46:46 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <358bbcd3.47972840@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.44 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.44 Lines: 31 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13007 Off the Wall at beenet.com Tuesday 16 June, 1998 (3:04pm AEST) An exotic bee, previously not present on the Australian mainland, has been discovered in Darwin. The Asian Honey bee, Apis cerana, is of concern for the commercial bee industry because it can carry the damaging Varroa mite. Darwin apiarist, Dick Ash, discovered thousands of the exotic bees last week, but entomologists are yet to find any evidence of the mite. A national quarantine hook-up yesterday decided to restrict bee movements out of the Territory. ***We all wish them lots of LUCK and hope the quarantine does not last long. If you like to keep up with the BEENEWS you can at: http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: alt.hobbies.beekeeping Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:19:53 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6mgnf8$3lq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 20 16:19:53 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13008 I've noticed a new group showing up on my ISP: alt.hobbies.beekeeping It seems totally empty and DejaNews does not seem to know about it. What gives? Allen -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 13009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1998062016553900.MAA20470@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jun 1998 16:55:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <17F79B10BS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13009 Posts have refered to the "big chemical companies" and their "huge profits". In reality, most of the manufacturers are not interested in the beekeeping industry because there is so little profit potential. The first obsticle is the EPA. It costs at least $1.5 million to TRY to get a product EPA labeled for application. That's up front and on spec. The real problem is that with the EPA's labeling and testing requirements. No one is going to make an investment of $1.5 mil without a good possibility of a return on thier investment. A good case in point is formic acid. Formic is a component of honey and bee venom. As an acids go, it is a very mild acid (right below vinegar - don't get confused - the vinegar you buy in the stores is only 5% concentration - at 60-80% it is a REAL acid). There are thousands of industries that use much much strong acids in their processes day-in, day-out, following OSHA guidelines for worker safety. But here we have the EPA, who has early on said that there is no reason not to use formic acid on beehives OTHER THAN USER SAFETY. So, now we have to wait for Mann Lake and the Beltsville Lab to develop this gel pack system, so that Mann Lake has some way of protecting thier investment in getting formic acid labeled for honeybees. I'm not faulting Mann Lake, they are just playing the game, but the game means that Mann Lake gets a de facto monolopy (like Zoecon has on fluvalinate) to recoup thier investment in something that we didn't need (a "safe" delivery system) in the first place. All we needed was a EPA ruling that formic acid could be LEGALLY used on honeybees, and that we just had to follow OSHA guidlines like any other business. But I guess beekeepers are not as mature in EPA's eyes as other "real" business. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Busy Knight" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stolen hives Date: 20 Jun 1998 18:07:57 GMT Organization: Airnews! at Internet America Message-ID: <192CA9871EC1441D.2CA648408A951C0A.702291E2A75958E4@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <01bd9c76$6d91fd40$833688cf@larryfar> References: <35831097.E9B1AB34@vci.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Jun 20 13:07:57 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\OK3+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13010 Were these hives ever found? Anybody got any details (as a "follow-up" to this posting)? Wouldn't it be great if the Internet helped in solving this crime? -- Busy Knight Dallas, Texas beeman wrote in article <35831097.E9B1AB34@vci.net>... > FLASH !!! Just in: > > Between 25 May and 7 June, approximately 1,300 honey bee colonies > were stolen from locations in Colorado. Article 13011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!news.telemedia.ch!tisdial01.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new treatment with FGMO Date: 20 Jun 98 20:37:52 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bd9c8a$cb0ba5c0$c280a19d@default> References: <3586E6EA.FF9C0546@starpoint.net> <01bd9bbe$3480f500$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> <1998061921365775982@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13011 > > Where can I buy small quantities of FGMO? > > Lisa > Is this what we call `liquid paraffin' in the UK? > Phil. > >Yes, it is but it should also be labeled 'food grade' to be OK. Any pharmacy should be able to supply it to you in small quantity. francis Article 13012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new treatment with FGMO Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:01:59 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <358C2346.E9E1B827@fcbl.net> References: <3586E6EA.FF9C0546@starpoint.net> <01bd9bbe$3480f500$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> <1998061921365775982@zetnet.co.uk> <01bd9c8a$cb0ba5c0$c280a19d@default> Reply-To: remove, the, NUMBER, 9, from, circuit9@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 898376362 EDOBMGQ.FB02ED018C usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13012 FGMO is FOOD GRADE MINERAL OIL, can be bought in the drug store also. Larry francis wrote: > > > Where can I buy small quantities of FGMO? > > > Lisa > > Is this what we call `liquid paraffin' in the UK? > > Phil. > > > >Yes, it is but it should also be labeled 'food grade' to be OK. > Any pharmacy should be able to supply it to you in small quantity. > francis -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Don Israel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.hobbies.beekeeping Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:12:07 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <358C33B7.C557F516@earthlink.net> References: <6mgnf8$3lq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust250.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) To: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13013 I found it and am pleased that it is not as full as the other. It gives me more time for other interests. I'm sure that when the word gets out, it will fill up and make for some nice discussions. I only hope that folks do not cross post items. Don AllenDick@my-dejanews.com wrote: > I've noticed a new group showing up on my ISP: alt.hobbies.beekeeping > > It seems totally empty and DejaNews does not seem to know about it. > > What gives? > > Allen > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 13014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: sagar@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Royal Jelly question Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:32:13 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6mhd9e$utb$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.33.208.92 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 20 22:32:13 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13014 I'm living in Turkey. A local Royal Jelly producer recommended that 2 grams mixed with about 100 grams of honey should be consumed in about 20 days. That is about 100 mg per day. Then I was looking at web sites on the internet, and have noticed that one producer sells 60 grams mixed in 500 grams of honey, and recommends this size for 1 month. That corresponds to 2 grams (2000 mg) per day. This is 20 times as much as my daily dose. (For Americans, 1 lb=454 grams) I wonder if these are the same thing, or whether these recommendations are incorrect. I don't know much about this issue, except that a doctor had recommended Royal Jelly for my sister, who has some serious health problems. I will appreciate your comments. Thanks in advance Seyhun PS. What is the additional benefits of Gingseng, and pollen, since most of the products are sold with these. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 13015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:57:02 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3588F27E.60@juno.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net> <6m9bpq$ies@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <3586EC4C.7CB6AADC@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.71.139 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 898390633 OCZ7E7JIA478BD11BC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13015 don't know anything about fluvalinate and carcinogenicity, but would worry more about petroleum derivatives such as mineral oil in the honey/ beeswax than about formic acid, which occurs naturally in some honeys. Elroy Rogers wrote: > > George Styer wrote: > > > Ok, I am still waiting for you to provide some evidence to support your > > prior inference that fluvalinate is a carcinogenic. So please let the truth > > come out. > > I tried to find where I found it but was unable to do so, I know I should have > had proof before posting it. I was sure it was either on Jan Templetan web > site or Apis, but was unable to find it again. I know it was posted on a web > site but was maybe pulled later. Maybe someone else can shed some light on > this. > > I looked for several days or until your post expired, so I'll look some more > for you. > > I don't understand why beekeepers are so willing to put these chemicals in > their colonies when there is an alternative anyway. Now formic acid is being > approved for use in bee hives, what crap to put in a beehive when we are all so > proud of our product (honey). > > Elroy > > > -- > > Article 13016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: drosborn@telepath.com (Dave Osborne) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Watkins Bee Meter Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 01:22:49 GMT Organization: Muessa Farms Lines: 41 Message-ID: <358d603a.965955@news.supernews.com> References: <357DF266.15B9@nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: drosborn@telepath.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 898392048 TUN32444D7518CFCC usenet42.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13016 The Watkins Bee is the product of: ALFRED WATKINS 1855-1935: Pioneer Photographer and Antiquarian Alfred Watkins was born on 27th January 1855 at the Imperial Hotel in Widemarsh Street. He was the third of the ten children of Charles and Ann Watkins. Watkins senior was a prosperous farmer whose ancestors had farmed land for generations in Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, and the adjoining area; he promoted five businesses in Hereford, including the Imperial Flour Mills, Watkins Imperial Brewery and the Imperial Hotel. Alfred Watkins was self-educated, having learnt very little at the small private school where he was sent. He became a "highly cultured man who knew everything about something, and something about everything." Watkins' involvement in the world of photography started with a primitive pinhole camera which he made from a cigar box. He felt that the entire process of getting a good picture was simpler than what was thought at the time, and involved only one factor, that of the property of light. With that in mind, Watkins devised his Exposure Meter after working out the mathematical properties of light, the size of the camera lens, and the amount of exposure. In April of 1890, he published his findings in the British Journal of Photography, and he also took out a patent for his exposure meter. Like so many good ideas, it received a poor reception amongst the business community! Not to be deterred, Watkins invested his own capital and set aside a room in the Imperial Flour Mills for the manufacture of the meters. The original price was one guinea. This was the beginning of the Watkins Meter Company. The Watkins Meter Company manufactured the various meters, including the Bee, named after Watkins' own devotion to amateur beekeeping (a collection of his books on beekeeping is now kept at Hereford Library). The company also developed the Watkins Time Tank and the Watkins Time Thermometer, and published the "Watkins Manual of Photography" and issued periodical Plate Speed Cards. The Manual ran into eleven editions. Additional information about Mr. Watkins is available @ http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~mserve/watkins.html Article 13017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Use of Mineral oil ? Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1998062102050000.WAA18320@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jun 1998 02:05:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13017 Ladies and Gentlemen Please forgive me if this request comes at a time when the subject is being batted around so much. If I as a individual Beekeeper wished to try food grade mineral oil in my hives. Then just how would i go about it ? This is not a request for flames ,nor an attempt at humor. I sincerely would appreciate an answer. Thankyou, HK Johnson LIllington NC Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 13018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.sgi.com!cs.uoregon.edu!news.efn.org!bsharvy From: bsharvy@efn.org (Ben Sharvy) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:57:23 -0800 Organization: http://www.efn.org/~bsharvy/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dynip137.efn.org X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8221 rec.gardens:266635 rec.gardens.edible:11414 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13018 sci.agriculture.fruit:1948 In article <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com>, chamokar@mail.cyberia.com wrote: >Brad Faber wrote: >> >> I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had >> so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. >> Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits >> mature. >> >> Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a >> home garden? For a home garden, i.e., a hobby you enjoy, you can probably pollinate by hand. Use a soft watercolor brush. -- EdibleLandscaping MaleLesbians SocialistCapitalism BurnTheFlag IsAbortionMoral? GodsWorthRejecting MacintoshSoftware ControlYourLocalPolice HTTP://WWW.EFN.ORG/~BSHARVY/ Article 13019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.48.153.1.MISMATCH!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!cs.uoregon.edu!news.efn.org!bsharvy From: bsharvy@efn.org (Ben Sharvy) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:00:05 -0800 Organization: http://www.efn.org/~bsharvy/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <3586CF59.29F10CEB@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dynip137.efn.org X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8222 rec.gardens:266647 rec.gardens.edible:11417 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13019 sci.agriculture.fruit:1949 Hm, one gardener's pest is another's treasure. I had bees in my shed. I routed them, and now they live under my house. Anybody want to come and get them? -- EdibleLandscaping MaleLesbians SocialistCapitalism BurnTheFlag IsAbortionMoral? GodsWorthRejecting MacintoshSoftware ControlYourLocalPolice HTTP://WWW.EFN.ORG/~BSHARVY/ Article 13020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use of Mineral oil ? Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:58:13 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <358C84D5.2A252D39@fcbl.net> References: <1998062102050000.WAA18320@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: remove, the, NUMBER, 9, from, circuit9@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 898402044 EDOBMGQ.FB02ED018C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13020 http://www.cyberTours.com/~midnitebee/ topic is near the bottem of the page Larry Hk1BeeMan wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen > Please forgive me if this request comes at a time when the subject is being > batted around so much. > If I as a individual Beekeeper wished to try food grade mineral oil in my > hives. > Then just how would i go about it ? > > This is not a request for flames ,nor an attempt at humor. I sincerely would > appreciate an answer. > > Thankyou, > HK Johnson > LIllington NC > Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: sseely@aol.com (SSeely) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Treatment-When? Date: 21 Jun 1998 12:57:58 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998062112575800.IAA24733@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <1998062110142501.GAA18855@ladder03.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13021 Check out the following address: http://apiculturene.cas.psu.edu/fall_manage.htm This information is supplies by folks at Penn State University. I too live in Pa and use this information as a GENERAL Guineline. Steve S. Article 13022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dhaller1@aol.com (Dhaller1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mite Treatment-When? Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998062110142501.GAA18855@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jun 1998 10:14:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13022 Im still not clear at what time of the year I should use apistan strips, and how many treatments I should apply a year. Any advice please? David Haller Newtown Pa Article 13023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Robbers Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:35:11 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <358D606F.2F255BEC@fcbl.net> Reply-To: remove, the, NUMBER, 9, from, circuit9@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 898457798 EDOBMGQ.FB029D018C usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13023 Does anyone have an Idea how I can tell if Raccoons or skunks or squirrels or something else is bugging my bees? I have 30 acres and 15 wooded and the hive is at the edge of the woods and we have lots of raccoons etc. Thanks Larry -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mineral Oil Delevery Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:57:17 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <358D659D.7BDE09C3@fcbl.net> Reply-To: remove, the, NUMBER, 9, from, circuit9@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 898459524 EDOBMGQ.FB029D018C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13024 I have been treating with mineral oil but applacation is a pain. Here is what I am doing now. I drilled 2 holes in the bottem board edge, just above the actual bottem board. One in each side. The holes are the exact size of a peice of cotton roap (clothes line) about 3/8". I added a wire to one end the length of the bottem board and a knot to the other. I threaded the wire through the holes and soaked the rope in FGMO to saturate it. I then pulled it through the holes, which places it just inside the hive on the bottem board. The bees have top crawl over it to get in and out. They cant move it. To re-treet I just grab the knot and pull the rope out. Check it for mites, resoak it, and pull it back with the wire. knot | rope | wire *|+++++++++++++++|................................ |^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^| bottem board Larry -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Jack Kassinger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: no sign of laying Queen Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:51:52 -0400 Organization: Micron Electronics, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <358D7268.377730AE@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: jack18@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: bin-ny1-17.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jun 21 1:54:34 PM PDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13025 Have one hive with quite a few bees but no sign of a laying Queen! Should I order a queen as soon as possable? There didn't seem to be many caped cells. There were a few bees just emerging ,some drone cells and no queen cells. I have to think that the queen is missing. She was there a month ago. Jack Article 13026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Buffing" bees - What are they doing? Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:02:50 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <358D4ACA.1CA3@juno.com> References: <6mf17n$b8g$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.71.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 898463123 OCZ7E7JIA47DDD11BC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: dugan1@my-dejanews.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13026 sounds like what is sometimes described in the literature as "washboarding"...there is no consensus on why it's done...one guess might be they're scraping resins from (fresh-painted) wood to use as propolis (beeglue). dugan1@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > For several days now I've noticed about 3-10 bees on the landing board in > front of the hive, going over the freshly-painted surface with a motion that > looks very much like the one humans use to "buff" the wax on a car. The bees > use both front legs simultaneously. There are a few (maybe 30) small yellow > spots on the board that seemed to all appear over one or two days, but these > seem to stay put, and the "buffing" doesn't seem to occur around these spots > anyway. > > I'm not concerned about this behavior, but I haven't read about it in any > of the books I've been reading, and I wonder if any of the many experts out > there could satisfy my curiosity as to what these "buffing" bees are up to. > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 13027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small hive beetle, Aethina tumida/ BEEBREED Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:50:41 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <358D47F1.5F41@juno.com> References: <6lnfvq$pej$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6m0nap$e6r$1@news12.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.71.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 898463118 OCZ7E7JIA47DDD11BC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: "Len A. Davis" Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13027 Len A. Davis wrote: > > I would like more info on getting on the BeeBreed e-mail list. Thanks. > check out allen dick's links at: http://www.internode.net/Honeybee/beespage.htm Article 13028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Buffing" bees - What are they doing? Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:24:16 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <358D4FD0.58BD@juno.com> References: <6mf17n$b8g$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <358D4ACA.1CA3@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.71.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 898464251 OCZ7E7JIA47DDD11BC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: tomas mozer Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13028 forgot to mention that the "small yellow spots" you saw are probably bee feces/excrement and possibly a sign of dysentery and/or nosema disease if they continue to occur...perhaps cause for concern/medication if test positive for the latter condition, but usually they get over it with time. tomas mozer wrote: > > sounds like what is sometimes described in the literature as > "washboarding"...there is no consensus on why it's done...one > guess might be they're scraping resins from (fresh-painted) wood > to use as propolis (beeglue). > > dugan1@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > > > For several days now I've noticed about 3-10 bees on the landing board in > > front of the hive, going over the freshly-painted surface with a motion that > > looks very much like the one humans use to "buff" the wax on a car. The bees > > use both front legs simultaneously. There are a few (maybe 30) small yellow > > spots on the board that seemed to all appear over one or two days, but these > > seem to stay put, and the "buffing" doesn't seem to occur around these spots > > anyway. > > > > I'm not concerned about this behavior, but I haven't read about it in any > > of the books I've been reading, and I wonder if any of the many experts out > > there could satisfy my curiosity as to what these "buffing" bees are up to. > > > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 13029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Robbers Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:51:53 +0100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1998062122515375982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <358D606F.2F255BEC@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13029 The message <358D606F.2F255BEC@fcbl.net> from Larry Williard contains these words: > Does anyone have an Idea how I can tell if Raccoons or skunks or > squirrels or something else is bugging my bees? I have 30 acres and 15 > wooded and the hive is at the edge of the woods and we have lots of > raccoons etc. Yup, Sit quietly and watch! Phil. Article 13030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Robbers Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:33:49 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <358D8A4C.9526EDE4@fcbl.net> References: <358D606F.2F255BEC@fcbl.net> <1998062122515375982@zetnet.co.uk> Reply-To: remove, the, NUMBER, 9, from, circuit9@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 898468564 EDOBMGQ.FB029D018C usenet85.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13030 All Night? It couldnt be during the day. Besides if I was out there where I could see the hive they could see me, and wouldnt come. Larry Philip Roger Gurr wrote: > The message <358D606F.2F255BEC@fcbl.net> > from Larry Williard contains these words: > > > Does anyone have an Idea how I can tell if Raccoons or skunks or > > squirrels or something else is bugging my bees? I have 30 acres and 15 > > wooded and the hive is at the edge of the woods and we have lots of > > raccoons etc. > > Yup, > > Sit quietly and watch! > > Phil. -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Robbers Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:54:50 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <358D9D4A.440447C8@fcbl.net> References: <358D606F.2F255BEC@fcbl.net> <1998062122515375982@zetnet.co.uk> <358D8A4C.9526EDE4@fcbl.net> Reply-To: remove, the, NUMBER, 9, from, circuit9@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 898473776 EDOBMGQ.FB029D018C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13031 I found my answer at this site, It is a great site with great pictures of desies etc. http://www.psu.edu/dept/beehive/ Larry Larry Williard wrote: > All Night? It couldnt be during the day. Besides if I was out there where I > could see the hive they could see me, and wouldnt come. > Larry > > Philip Roger Gurr wrote: > > > The message <358D606F.2F255BEC@fcbl.net> > > from Larry Williard contains these words: > > > > > Does anyone have an Idea how I can tell if Raccoons or skunks or > > > squirrels or something else is bugging my bees? I have 30 acres and 15 > > > wooded and the hive is at the edge of the woods and we have lots of > > > raccoons etc. > > > > Yup, > > > > Sit quietly and watch! > > > > Phil. > > -- > remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying > circuit9@bigfoot.com -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use of Mineral oil ? Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 02:08:14 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6mkead$rmk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1998062102050000.WAA18320@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.190 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 22 02:08:14 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13032 If I as a individual Beekeeper wished to try food grade mineral oil in my > hives. Then just how would i go about it ? Well, I have some info (old) at www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Oil I think you will find some more at www.birkey.com There are also pfd files in the BEE-L logs (with illustrations) sent by Dr. Rodriguez that should be found using a search for "Rodriguez". Maybe someone else will email you some of the info too. I had it somewhere on this system but can't find it easily. I know Elroy has been using it and maybe he will share his techniques again. FWIW there was also a site in Italy giving a vegetable oil treatment method and it was discussed on BEE-L about a year ago. I suppose it is time one of us wrote Dr. Pedro to find out his latest results and whether he would share them via this group or BEE-L. I know he has a promising new method he is researching, but, although he has shared it with a few friends, was when I last spoke with him, unwilling that anyone discuss it publicly until he has finished his work. Allen -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 13033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: 22 Jun 1998 03:13:06 -0000 Message-ID: <1670aa573d6e41c08f910d0f72aa7e17@anonymous> From: Secret Squirrel Comments: Please report problems with this automated remailing service to . The message sender's identity is unknown, unlogged, and not replyable. Subject: Re: no sign of laying Queen References: <358D7268.377730AE@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13033 If your bees have just superceded their old queen, your visual inspection may have missed the new queen, who may not have started laying yet. A newly emerged or virgin queen can be a little hard to spot -- the abdomen only gradually swells up to the size of a normal, laying queen. A newly emerged queen is also not accorded much deference by the workers -- they don't face her, as they will later. In my experience, it can take up to about two weeks before you start seeing eggs. Should you buy a queen right now to replace her? Some would say yes, some no. You'll start the population back up faster, probably. And some claim that a purchased queen is almost always better than a queen the bees raise themselves. I'm not convinced of that though. Bottom line: if money or additional hassle are not a considerations, replace her. Otherwise, wait a week or so, check again, and you'll probably spot her this time, although there may not yet be any eggs. Jack Kassinger wrote: > >Have one hive with quite a few bees but no sign of a laying Queen! >Should I order a queen as soon as possable? There didn't seem to be >many caped cells. There were a few bees just emerging ,some drone cells >and no queen cells. I have to think that the queen is missing. She was >there a month ago. > > Jack > Article 13034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Chris" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:50:27 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6mknpg$ctos$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dllsb112-16.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 22 Jun 1998 04:49:52 GMT X-Auth-User: 002702104/ce841887c0f0d589 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8227 rec.gardens:266930 rec.gardens.edible:11565 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13034 sci.agriculture.fruit:1951 I have not tried to attact bees but they love my lambs ears and peppermint. Can't keep them away. Put peppermint in containers if you don't want it to spread. Chris >Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a >home garden? > >-- > >Brad Faber >Pres., Editor in Chief >Reef Reviews http://www.reefreviews.com >nOsPaMbrad@reefreviews.comNOsPam Article 13035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news3.mco.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <358E0242.7BB4@bellsouth.net> From: Gene Adams Reply-To: dreamc@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-BLS20 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms everywhere! And a story to go with them References: <3587aac4.2901184@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:58:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-214-192-52.mem.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 02:58:28 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13035 I am a novice beekeeper but i come from a family of beekeepers. they said the young should be uncapped and very small they know that a cone directly on the entrance will work like the bee keeper you metioned did.set the hive you want themin right next to the cone. hope you save them, bee boy Article 13036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news.fundp.ac.be!mac-raes.biocell.fundp.ac.be!user From: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be (Benoit MARTIN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new treatment with FGMO Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:36:54 +0200 Organization: F.U.N.D.P - Cellular Biochemistry Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3586E6EA.FF9C0546@starpoint.net> <01bd9bbe$3480f500$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mac-raes.biocell.fundp.ac.be Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13036 In article (Dans l'article) <01bd9bbe$3480f500$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com>, "Lisa" wrote (écrivait) : > Where can I buy small quantities of FGMO? What's the meaning of FGMO ? Thanks -- Benoit MARTIN B-5000 Namur (Belgium). Email: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be Article 13037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!nntp2.cerf.net!nntp3.cerf.net!news01.li.net!not-for-mail From: "FJP" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:49:51 -0400 Organization: LI Net Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6mlr3a$hql$1@news01.li.net> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <6mknpg$ctos$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: listc03-123.li.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8228 rec.gardens:266952 rec.gardens.edible:11579 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13037 sci.agriculture.fruit:1952 Try mixing 4 TBS garlic with 1 TBS oil and 1 TBS soap in a gallon of water and apply it to the plants you don't want bees on. If this doesn't work try adding ground chili pepper to the mix. Frank Chris wrote in message <6mknpg$ctos$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>... >I have not tried to attact bees but they love my lambs ears and >peppermint. Can't keep them away. Put peppermint in >containers if you don't want it to spread. >Chris > > >>Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a >>home garden? >> >>-- >> >>Brad Faber >>Pres., Editor in Chief >>Reef Reviews http://www.reefreviews.com >>nOsPaMbrad@reefreviews.comNOsPam > > > Article 13038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melter Plans: Where on the net? Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:16:28 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <358E673C.8AF6FB86@fcbl.net> References: <6mlg3o$qqe$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: remove, the, NUMBER, 9, from, circuit9@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 898525148 EDOBMGQ.FB02ED018C usenet77.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13038 http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Larry Adam Finkelstein wrote: > From: "Kevin Lebsack" <40099@utech.net> > Subject: Wax melting > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:33:28 -0700 > > Hi I hope you can help, i just finished extraction and instead of throwing > the cappings in a melter i wanted to try solar extraction - would you know > where I could get plans for one of those? I remember seeing it on the net > somewhere but now i cant find it > Thanks for the help > Kevin > 40099@utech.net > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vt.edu > http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!gateway2000 From: pf13@cornell.edu (arno) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OLD BEEKEEPING JOURNALS FS Date: Mon, 22 Jun 98 15:46:53 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 33 Sender: pf13@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <6mlu9i$jkg@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128 X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13039 I have a couple of boxes of old beekeeping journals, mostly from the 1st half of this century. The titles I have are listed below; email me for a more detailed listing of the titles you're interested in. VERY CHEAP! pf13@cornell.edu Bee Craft Apicultural Abstracts Beekeeper's Magazine: Bee Keeper's News (England): Bitidningen (Sweden) Schweizerische Bienen-Zeitung (Switzerland) Fruits et Abeilles (France) Western Apicultural Society Journal Deutsche Bienenwirtschaft (Germany) Beekeeper's Gazette (Ireland) l'Apiculteur l'Abeille de France et l'Apiculteur l'Apicoltore d'Italia Australasian Beekeeper (Australia) Article 13040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <358E0334.7AB8@bellsouth.net> From: Gene Adams Reply-To: dreamc@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-BLS20 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms everywhere! And a story to go with them References: <3587aac4.2901184@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <35880ED2.2359@memach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 3 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:02:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-214-192-52.mem.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:02:30 EST Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news3.mco.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13040 put uncapped brood in hive. put cone onthe entrance diretly. place the hive next to it. Article 13041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Wax Melter Plans: Where on the net? Date: 22 Jun 1998 11:44:56 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6mlg3o$qqe$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: 40099@utech.net NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13041 From: "Kevin Lebsack" <40099@utech.net> Subject: Wax melting Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:33:28 -0700 Hi I hope you can help, i just finished extraction and instead of throwing the cappings in a melter i wanted to try solar extraction - would you know where I could get plans for one of those? I remember seeing it on the net somewhere but now i cant find it Thanks for the help Kevin 40099@utech.net -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 13042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Michael Oberle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa - the real issue Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:09:29 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6mls3i$241@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586CDA4.6778D1F5@starpoint.net> <35892e49.2268788@news.jps.net> <6mbfp8$b6g@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> <6mcsqi$qqk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6me5g7$og0@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com> <358B9C1B.B9CA9381@zzclinic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: min-mn12-18.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jun 22 8:09:38 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13042 >BTW, I am editor of our state newsletter. I like the bee-l because it gives me >loads of ideas and is very cutting edge in many beekeeping areas. I file many >of the posts for future reference, especially Allans and Arrons, who are >generally right on. I have disagreed with them on occasion, and they with me, >usually on the different approaches of hobby beekeepers to those of commercial >beekeepers. But it was reasoned disagreement. >Bill Truesdell I guess that was my whole point in trying to stop the thread, it had stopped being a reasoned disagreement and had become personal. Now it is getting back to bees. I have finally had a question about EO answered. Apparantly it doesnt work. That is too bad. I had hoped it would. As for FGMO I am waiting to see if will be scientifically proven. In the mean time I will keep on using Apistan. I hope Elroy is right but until I see it proven in a scientific manner. I will not risk my bees with it. My investment in time and money is to high to take the chance. I agree with you on that point. I am however very impressed that Elroy is willing to take the time and the chance of losing his bees to try to prove it. I hope that he will use scientific methods to prove it once and for all. -- Thanks Michael Oberle NTS1@ix.netcom.com Article 13043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!165.166.15.6!news2.infoave.net!993430 From: elwhitaker@shtc.net (Elizabeth Whitaker) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Mon, 22 Jun 98 21:34:58 GMT Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-26.r03.scchfd.infoave.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8229 rec.gardens:267015 rec.gardens.edible:11608 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13043 sci.agriculture.fruit:1955 In article , bsharvy@efn.org (Ben Sharvy) wrote: >In article <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com>, chamokar@mail.cyberia.com wrote: > >>Brad Faber wrote: >>> >>> I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had >>> so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. >>> Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits >>> mature. >>> >>> Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a >>> home garden? > > >For a home garden, i.e., a hobby you enjoy, you can probably pollinate by >hand. Use a soft watercolor brush. > Next Spring, buy a few anise hyssop plants. I've had some of these get to 5 1/2 feet. I've seen them attract a variety of bees, wasps, moths and butterflies. Elizabeth Whitaker elwhitaker@shtc.net in South Carolina Article 13044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peernews.ftech.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.hobbies.beekeeping Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 05:45:24 GMT Organization: Pavilion Interent USENET Server Message-ID: <3589f863.113789@news.pavilion.net> References: <6mgnf8$3lq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup2-11.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 898554152 23390 194.242.131.139 (22 Jun 1998 22:22:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jun 1998 22:22:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13044 I actually subscribe to the group. Not many messages but there are a few. I know some people from sci.agriculture.beekeeping post there too. On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:19:53 GMT, AllenDick@my-dejanews.com wrote: >I've noticed a new group showing up on my ISP: alt.hobbies.beekeeping > >It seems totally empty and DejaNews does not seem to know about it. > >What gives? > >Allen > >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 13045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.188.0.171!news.tm.net.my!not-for-mail From: allwired@hotmail.com (allwired) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FAQ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:04:26 GMT Organization: TMnet Malaysia Lines: 9 Message-ID: <358e3955.3014146@192.168.0.1> NNTP-Posting-Host: rsh-75-4.tm.net.my X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13045 Hello, I am new here. May I know where is the FAQ for the ng.. Thanks pls email at: kflee168@hotmail.com kflee Article 13046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.3.65.3!news.indy.net!not-for-mail From: Mary Ann Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:51:35 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 21 Message-ID: <358EB5C6.78746349@pop.indy.net> References: <35876076.1789F940@world.com> <1998062014343000.KAA07567@ladder03.news.aol.com> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip91-118.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13046 > > > So will squash, melons and fruit blossoms. That is a vital clue you are > missing, Pete & Janine. > > If the bees aren't out there, you cannot attract them. Better to try to > attract a beekeeper. Or become one. > > Mason bees are good for home fruit, but are dormant by the time the garden > veggies grow. The only way to be sure to get bees there is to have honeybee > hives nearby. > Which is exactly the reason that me and my wife became beekeepers. There were absolutely no Bee's around us to pollinate and the vegetable garden was suffering. Tobi Article 13047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.79.239.70!news-peer.ivn.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: "Don" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Not flying Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:11:33 -0700 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6mmvg4$240$1@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup22.tnath.usit.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13047 Bees are just in big bunches on front of hives is this because it is to hot ? I am in east Tn. Also having problems requeening bees, keep balling my Queens I bought 4 and only one was accepted what do you think ? What nornally causes this Don Article 13048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: "Don" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey flow Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:14:03 -0700 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6mmvkt$25o$1@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup22.tnath.usit.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13048 Is the honey flow in East Tn. over or what bees don't seem to be doing much, just mostly hanging out on the front porch Article 13049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: July 18: Wisconsin Honey Producers Assn. Meeting Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998062302552900.WAA14162@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Jun 1998 02:55:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13049 On July 18th the Wisconsin Honey Producers Association will have their annual summer meeting at the Knights of Columbus Hall in Berlin, Wisconsin. For more information, and directions through the Wautoma Highway 21 road construction, contact myself via email. TTYL Monica ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! Article 13050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!not-for-mail From: "M. Tomelleri" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Apicoltura tecnica e pratica" Date: 23 Jun 1998 09:51:06 GMT Organization: Centro Servizi Interbusiness Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bd9e8c$4dd42240$6532a8c0@Marco.informatoreagrario.it> Reply-To: "M. Tomelleri" NNTP-Posting-Host: rub139.vr00.ne.interbusiness.it X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13050 Vi segnalo il volume "Apicoltura tecnica e pratica" di Alessandro Pistoia, pubblicato dalla nostra casa editrice. Per ordini ed informazioni: diffusione@informatoreagrario.it http://www.informatoreagrario.it Grazie per l'attenzione. Article 13051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!sahart.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Shaun" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking to buy hive and bees - Surrey, UK Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:21:36 +0100 Message-ID: <898583169.13565.0.nnrp-08.c2de0bfb@news.demon.co.uk> References: <898150462.3861.0.nnrp-02.c2de0bfb@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk:194.222.11.251 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 898583169 nnrp-08:13565 NO-IDENT sahart.demon.co.uk:194.222.11.251 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13051 Hi, I'm a very new beekeeper, having just obtained my first colony 3 weeks ago. So far so good - and I've actually found my queen! I would like to start one or two more colonies. If anyone is looking to sell some equipment and bees, please e-mail me on:- shaun@sahart.demon.co.uk many thanks Article 13052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pierco vs Permadent Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:42:52 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 96 Message-ID: <6mo0rc$ro4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 23 10:42:52 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13052 It's been a while since I've written an update on what is happening here in Alberta. Summer is here and, with it, one of the earliest flows I can ever recall. Let's hope it lasts. Eric was saying he was going to pull honey this week, and that it is unthinkably early. We have some full supers too, but we did a fair bit of splitting and the brood boxes on the splits always absorb a fair bit of the first flow, so we are not under tremendous pressure to extract, yet. We will have to pull the hives down a bit, though, if this continues, since we have to move 1,800 onto canola seed pollination, and if the hives are heavy, the job will be impossible. As many list regulars will recall, we have added a lot of plastic foundation over the past few years. Two years ago we added 10,000 sheets of Permadent and have been using plastic sheets to renew about 2,500 old frames since then. This year we decided to try 10,000 Pierco standard frames. Here are some comments: Compared to the old way, wax and wire, Permadent was easy to install and handle. When complete, supers of Permadent can be trucked around and are not damaged by wind or rough handling or exposure to sun. Frames of Permadent can be used like follower boards in spring, then moved in to the centre of a brood chamber after being drawn, or when the time seems right. We found we could get them drawn simply by inserting several into supers that were leaving the honey house after extracting. Sitting over winter in supers in storage is no problem. The bees pick up where they left off the previous year. Frame spacing has not been critical, and we would often stick two into a Stoller spaced 8 frame super (standard 10 frame box) in positions 3 and 5. In self spacing supers, we would simply revert to 10 frames rather than 8 or 9 and use 3 plastic sheets in the centre, all adjacent. Sometimes they would return undrawn, but almost always got finished the next time out. Sometimes there would be an area that was drawn out for drones or brace comb, but it was easily scraped off and the bees would correct it the next trip onto a hive. The largest nuisance with sheet foundation is, of course, arranging the labour to install the foundation and to assemble the frames. The supplies must be obtained and then some management, skilled work, and delay is involved before the product can be used. Months elapse from the time the various supplies arrive until 10,000 frames are complete, and after completion they are a nuisance to handle, having to be transported in supers or stacked on pallets. Using Pierco frames eliminates these problems, since the frames arrive complete in cardboard boxes about 20 inches cubed and are easy to lug around. About two or three weeks after we made up our mind to buy, the frames arrived. The very same day we were installing them in supers on their way to the field. That night they were being drawn and filled with honey. Not so with the Permadent. It took weeks and months to get much of it into use. The Pierco frames we ordered are molded of black plastic -- not white. We decided, after our years of experience with RossRounds (r) equipment, that bees just like dark plastic better. Moreover, we expect that the frames will not look dirty after a few years like white plastic frames do. A bonus of this decision was that we could see the instant that the bees began to work on it, since the new wax is white and shows up strongly against the black foundation. Here is, to me, a really interesting observation: After adding supers with the Pierco one day, I decided to check some of our yards one evening at about 9 PM. The bees were up in the supers and I could see them drawing out the comb and storing honey on the black frames. A day later I returned in the mid-morning and found *no* bees up in the same supers. It struck me then again why it is so absolutely essential to add more supers to a hive in late spring than any novice beekeeper -- and many an experienced beekeepers -- thinks is necessary, because a sudden flow or warm spell sends the bees up, and, if one has not added supers, one will never know what might have happened. It happens fast and for short spurts when no one is looking. Those who fail to super well ahead of the bees will never even suspect what their bees might have done, given space. Anyhow, the Pierco is going fast, and over half of it is now in supers on the hives or on the way out. I am delighted with the ease of use. In looking into hives that have a sheet of permadent and a frame of Pierco, I seem to see the bees favouring the Pierco by a wide margin. Nonetheless, I must add that the Pierco was molded and waxed only a few weeks ago now, and the Permadent may have been in stock for a year or more. Does freshness matter? I suspect so. The fact that the Pierco foundation is black also exaggerates the new work by the bees because of the contrast. The same amount of drawing on a Permadent is not as obvious since the wax is white and so is the foundation. Anyhow, so far we are delighted with the Pierco. I hope we are as delighted when we are uncapping and extracting. Allen -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 13053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa in Ireland Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:38:18 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 40 Message-ID: <358F93AA.3C11@nt.com> References: <6ls2d4$gj41@kirk.tinet.ie> <35820F28.6C73@kingston.net> <6ltusp$gj418@kirk.tinet.ie> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13053 Ruary Rudd wrote: > > As the time of discovery of the infestation in the Country is just before > the main honey flow am I right in thinking that Bayvarrol is ruled out as it > would contaminate the honey? > > Does the same thing hold with Apistan? AFAIK Bayvoral and Apistan use very similar active ingredients so both pose the same contamination risk. Are both licenced for use in Ireland? > > Is the only method of diagnosis during the period of honey production the > use of a Varroa screen? > Tobacco in the smoker used to be recommended for diagnostic checks, suppliers of bee equipment have a type of tobacco that's not too expensive. > If infestation is found would the advice be to use liquid paraffin ( FGMO) > until the fall and then use Apistan or Bayvarrol? > I've considered doing this on a permanent basis, after all my bees are in the Torbay area where varroa was first seen in the UK, but I'm worried about contamination of the honey. At present I, and other beekeepers, sell honey at a premium price (2.10 UK ponds per pound weight) and any suggestion of contamination would destroy the market at any price let alone premium. Ruary, My comments interspersed above. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 13054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-ge.switch.ch!surfnet.nl!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ibernet.es!news.mad.ibernet.es!not-for-mail From: jon@ctv.es (Jon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A Beginner's Problems Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:25:08 GMT Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 52 Message-ID: <358f63cf.10828336@news.ctv.es> References: <35852EBC.957415EB@muscanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.25.130.26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13054 On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:25:00 -0500, Bluedorn wrote: > This morning I went out to check the bees for the second time. I >checked them the first time to see if the queen was loose about a week >ago which was four days after I installed them. This morning I noticed >three queen cells right in the middle of the frames surrounded by honey >cells. Also, I did not see any brood, only honey. > What is wrong? Is the queen bad and the bees are taking >emergency >measures to make another? Why are there no new babies? How do the bees >expect to make another queen if there are no new babies to raise one >from? Should I just let them take care of the situation or should I >order a replacement queen? > The bees are acting just as they have since I got them. They >have eaten >tremendous amounts of my sugar water, two quarts on some days. From what >I saw, they have filled the one brood chamber three quarters full of >honey already, though none of the honey cells are capped. > What ever happens I am learning things and that is all I wanted >to get >out of this first year. > I would very much appreciate any advice you expert beekeepers >might me. > > Nathaniel Bluedorn in north west Illinois, USA Sometimes queenright colonies make empty cups without eggs inside (not queen cells) it is normal, don´t worry!. But in your case you probably have a queenless colony and they are trying to get a queen. I think that you have only one hive, is it true?, if so you have two options: 1) To buy a new queen or queen cell and "requeen" the hive. 2) To buy one package bee or nuc, when the queen starts laying take one brood frame (with eggs) and introduce it into the queenless colony, three days later or so will be queen cells, if there is not queen cells then a queen is present. In the other side, one brood chamber three quarters full of honey is enough by the moment, so stop to feed!. Don´t worry about the uncapped cells of honey because the sugar water has a high moisture level, more less 66%, and the capped honey 18-19 %, so this water must disappear and takes a long time!! Good luck and sorry my poor english. Jon jon@ctv.es Article 13055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco vs Permadent Lines: 42 Message-ID: <1998062313504600.JAA28192@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Jun 1998 13:50:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6mo0rc$ro4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13055 From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: <> - And five or ten years down the line, when the plastic gets so brittle that you can't pull the first frame, or run it through the uncapper. Then again, you don't have the same level of solar energy that we have (which tends to age both wood and plastic -- plastic faster). (Our season is done; thank God for air conditioning. Our thermometer plays with that century mark every day.) I'm hoping some of our squash bees are done soon enough to take them to the mountains for sourwood. The sourwood is just starting to break bloom. I've got twenty deep frames of Pierco in my outfit, all scattered now. About half of them finally got perfectly drawn. The rest are either undrawn or have drone comb drawn out from the center and attatched. Each time I see it, I scrape it off again. Of course I have to say that with Duragilt, I can't just scrape it off when that happens, I have to replace the sheet. It just doesn't seem to happen as often. One new beekeeper here installed a lot of the permadent foundation this spring, and has gotten it drawn out quite well. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, or maybe it's been improved. I'm about ready to give it a try. Several years ago we had a hobbyist that couldn't get Pierco frames drawn right for anything. He finally scraped off all the burr comb, and painted them with hot wax. The bees immediately drew them out quite well. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Not flying Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1998062313545600.JAA28504@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Jun 1998 13:54:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6mmvg4$240$1@news.usit.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13056 From: "Don" Newsgroups: << Bees are just in big bunches on front of hives is this because it is to hot ? I am in east Tn. Also having problems requeening bees, keep balling my Queens I bought 4 and only one was accepted what do you think ? What nornally causes this>> If there is no flow, queen acceptance is poor. It may simply be too hot. (It certainly is here - all our flows are over when the temp hits 100 every day) Give them some syrup when you requeen and there's no flow. You'll greatly improve your odds. Also make sure the queen cage is placed adjacent to a frame of sealed brood, so she'll have plenty of young attendants. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: "Dr. Lalo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small Hive Beetle and Diazinon Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:31:54 -0700 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <358FE68A.667F@earthlink.net> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip19.islip8.ny.pub-ip.psi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13057 In the communique by I. Barton Smith, Jr., State Apiary inspector, Md. he advocates the use of pesticides such as Diazinon to kill the larvae of the small hive beetle when they go into the ground to pupate. The use of pesticides around a beehive is inadvisable. Not only can the bees and the honey can be contaminated but also the groundwater supply in areas that depend in aquifers for the water supply of the community. A much better alternative would be the use of beneficial nematodes or milky sopre to kill the ground-dwelling larvae and pupae of the small hive beetle. Neithir milky spore or beneficial nematodes are harmfull to honey bees. Dr. Lalo Article 13058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: 23 Jun 1998 18:14:20 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998062318142000.OAA25518@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <358770B3.198D@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13058 I have been starting bee sting therapy for some bad knuckle ? joints. You get an up close observation that way. the insertion is painless. The stinger seems to do nothing untill the bee actually pulls away. Then it begins pumping venom. BTW I am very pleased with the therapy results too. chuck Article 13059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!dogbert.supra.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: 23 Jun 1998 18:14:19 GMT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998062318141900.OAA21515@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <3586FBBA.A0473D22@starpoint.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13059 I make a similar screened cover for top ventilation. I use 1\4 inch lath pieces to hold down the sceen and also raise up the outer cover. I leave lots of gaps in the lath pieces for air flow. chuck Article 13060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco vs Permadent Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:43:32 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6mot0k$9f1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6mo0rc$ro4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998062313504600.JAA28192@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.182 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 23 18:43:32 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13060 In article <1998062313504600.JAA28192@ladder01.news.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) wrote: > Several years ago we had a hobbyist that couldn't get Pierco frames drawn > right for anything. He finally scraped off all the burr comb, and painted them > with hot wax. The bees immediately drew them out quite well. That's what one of the folks said on BEE-L a while back and that is why I assume the bees like the Pierco I recently put in so well. It was wax coated at the factory only a few weeks ago -- at most. Allen -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 13061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen excluder wanted Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:36:46 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6mp7b3$t1i64@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <35901346.1120221@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13061 Try Thornes of Wragby, they seem to have most things their URL is http://www.thorne.co.uk Steve Newport wrote in message <35901346.1120221@news.pavilion.net>... >I am after Queen excluders for the Langstroth Hives. Wanted in UK > >Anybody help ? Article 13062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen excluder wanted Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:46:21 GMT Organization: Pavilion Interent USENET Server Lines: 3 Message-ID: <35901346.1120221@news.pavilion.net> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup1-05.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 898634829 29468 194.242.131.69 (23 Jun 1998 20:47:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jun 1998 20:47:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13062 I am after Queen excluders for the Langstroth Hives. Wanted in UK Anybody help ? Article 13063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!knife.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news.enterprise.net!not-for-mail From: "Adrian Kyte" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: 23 Jun 1998 22:25:53 GMT Organization: Enterprise PLC - Internet Services Message-ID: <01bd9ef5$cc72e5a0$bfc348c2@default> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <6m7lo1$kds$1@winter.news.erols.com> <6m8m5i$ft7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp191.enterprise.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8233 rec.gardens:267340 rec.gardens.edible:11740 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13063 It might be a few years before you get a surplus of honey, typically 3 in our UK climate. Experienced beekeepers here reckon that if you average 40 pounds per hive your doing alright. Some years of course you get 200 to 300 pounds from a hive and sometimes none. > a friend who keeps bees says startup costs can be some $120 for a single > hive. she says the hive will expand over the years (said you may have 5 hives > 6 yrs later, and you will not have to pay for the bees, of course). she says > a good hive will produce 180 pounds of honey in a year, of which you can get > 60 (beware of preying racoons, bolt down the hive and enclose it in > chainlink). that sounds to me like recouping your money in one year, not to Article 13064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!pcis.net!usenet From: W & E Bowles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hives Date: 23 Jun 1998 22:55:24 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6mpbos$d7h$0@208.18.95.11> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.18.95.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13064 have anybody out there experimented with the new top bar hive design? This is the design that is one high and as long as you like. If so what is your experience and suggestions as I will be making one soon? Thank you sincerely, Elizabeth Article 13065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!moxieman.ne.mediaone.net!user From: iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:36:55 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 49 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: moxieman.ne.mediaone.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13065 I know its a bit early in the season, but the honey is starting to flow, and im hoping to actually get some surplus honey this year (2 hobby hives). Since my wife has threatened divorce if I ever use her pots and pans and such to extract as I did last year ( the hard way... scrape everything into a pot, heat 'till the wax rises and then put in the freezer... pull off the wax on top.... and run through a strainer) who can suggest a small extractor. I have seen a few stainless hobby extractors but all are well over $200. Does anyone make a decent plastic one? Are they really bad...? or can they be used fairly reliably.. ? Thanks. -I- -- _ /_/_ .'''. =O(_)))) ...' `. \_\ `. .'''B'zzzzzzzzzzz `..' /| __ / | ,-~ / Y :| // / | jj /( .^ >-"~"-v" / Y jo o | ( ~T~ j >._-' _./ / "~" | I AM HAVING A Y _, | BAD /| ;-"~ _ l HARE DAY / l/ ,-"~ \ \//\/ .- \ Y / Y* l I ! ]\ _\ /"\ (" ~----( ~ Y. ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ->Jackson Bunny<- "Live Free or Die" Article 13066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco vs Permadent Date: 24 Jun 1998 01:34:32 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 83 Message-ID: <6mpl38$p6@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6mo0rc$ro4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998062313504600.JAA28192@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.126.144 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13066 My understanding is that the plastic in the Pierco frames was recently reformulated to address the breakage issue. I tried some in the early spring because I had to get some frames on an early swarm and had enough time to make a trip to the supply house but there was no way I was going to get anything assembled (they were also cheaper than wood + foundation). Granted it was a swarm but they drew them out extremely fast and beautifully. When I had a little more time I tried some Duragilt in the second deep on this hive and was veeeerrry disappointed in the results. Seems the bees have reworked the thin layer of wax and now I have frames with a lot of bare plastic film showing. Now I have some more deeps with the Pierco being drawn. Once I extract these they will be used in the brood boxes for net years splits and to replace the horrid Durailt. BTW, I am using the frames 9 to a deep and have not experienced any significant burr comb. Propolis seems to be less abundant too. It is limited experience but so far I give them the thumbs up (2 thumbs down for Duragilt). I have also used the Permadent and am pleased with it also. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Pollinator wrote in article <1998062313504600.JAA28192@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com > Newsgroups: > > < delighted when we are uncapping and extracting.>> > > > - And five or ten years down the line, when the plastic gets so brittle > that you can't pull the first frame, or run it through the uncapper. > > Then again, you don't have the same level of solar energy that we have > (which tends to age both wood and plastic -- plastic faster). > > (Our season is done; thank God for air conditioning. Our thermometer plays > with that century mark every day.) > > I'm hoping some of our squash bees are done soon enough to take them to the > mountains for sourwood. The sourwood is just starting to break bloom. > > I've got twenty deep frames of Pierco in my outfit, all scattered now. About > half of them finally got perfectly drawn. The rest are either undrawn or have > drone comb drawn out from the center and attatched. Each time I see it, I > scrape it off again. > > Of course I have to say that with Duragilt, I can't just scrape it off when > that happens, I have to replace the sheet. It just doesn't seem to happen as > often. > > One new beekeeper here installed a lot of the permadent foundation this > spring, and has gotten it drawn out quite well. Maybe I'm doing something > wrong, or maybe it's been improved. I'm about ready to give it a try. > > Several years ago we had a hobbyist that couldn't get Pierco frames drawn > right for anything. He finally scraped off all the burr comb, and painted them > with hot wax. The bees immediately drew them out quite well. > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm > Article 13067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor Date: 24 Jun 1998 02:06:08 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6mpmug$b6e@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.126.144 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13067 I also have 2 hives and found a used 2 frame stainless steel manual crank a few years ago at the local supply house. Seems as though someone had used it to extract their honey and then were "unsatisfied" with it. (read "free rental"). I got it for $125 USD. But I digress........Just like 1, then 2 then 10 hives is never enough, I now wish I had a larger one that holds the frames radially. If I feel this way I am sure I am not alone so you may want to check with your local beekeepers club or association to find a 2nd hand one. You may also find one to rent. I don't know about plastic, but SS is forever and you can clean it with extremely hot water. This year I will add a motor and try for another year to convince my wife that size does matter. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Ira Seskin wrote in article ... > I know its a bit early in the season, but the honey is starting to flow, > and im hoping to actually get some surplus honey this year (2 hobby > hives). Since my wife has threatened divorce if I ever use her pots and > pans and such to extract as I did last year ( the hard way... scrape > everything into a pot, heat 'till the wax rises and then put in the > freezer... pull off the wax on top.... and run through a strainer) who can > suggest a small extractor. I have seen a few stainless hobby extractors > but all are well over $200. Does anyone make a decent plastic one? Are > they really bad...? or can they be used fairly reliably.. ? > > > Thanks. > > -I- > Article 13068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Not flying Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:03:18 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35906C76.2C44@ultranet.com> References: <6mmvg4$240$1@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d147.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 24 Jun 1998 03:12:35 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) To: Don Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13068 Don wrote: > > Bees are just in big bunches on front of hives is this because it is to > hot ? I am in east Tn. > > Also having problems requeening bees, keep balling my Queens I bought 4 > and only > one was accepted what do you think ? What nornally causes this > > Don Hi Don, I travel to East TN every year to see the spring flowers, for the last 15 years. IMO, East TN honey is the most amazing and the best in the world , due to the large number of species in the mixed mesophytic forests. The Honey is liable to be about anything, and you used to be able to purchase anything from an almost white honey to near black. This year, It was extremely difficult to find honey for sale. What happened? Did everyone call it quits all of a sudden? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 13069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!131.144.4.21.MISMATCH!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!tattler!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: James D Satterfield Subject: Re: top bar hives In-Reply-To: <6mpbos$d7h$0@208.18.95.11> Message-ID: References: <6mpbos$d7h$0@208.18.95.11> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 12 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:18:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.1.18 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:18:26 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13069 On 23 Jun 1998, W & E Bowles wrote: > have anybody out there experimented with the new top bar hive design? > This is the design that is one high and as long as you like. If so what > is your experience and suggestions as I will be making one soon? > http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Article 13070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Not flying Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:42:18 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3590759A.1E13227E@fcbl.com> References: <6mmvg4$240$1@news.usit.net> <35906C76.2C44@ultranet.com> Reply-To: remove, the, NUMBER, 9, from, circuit9@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 898660397 EDOBMGQ.FB02AD018C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13070 I live is South Alabama and I posted befor I couldnt find any other beekepers in the area. Well I found 2 and neither have any bees, Seems the mites got them. Neither treated for them. Lost more than 400 hives last year.. Maby there are fewer beekepers because of the above reason. The temp here is in the mid 90's and my bees are really working. Larry Marc Andelman wrote: > Don wrote: > > > > Bees are just in big bunches on front of hives is this because it is to > > hot ? I am in east Tn. > > > > Also having problems requeening bees, keep balling my Queens I bought 4 > > and only > > one was accepted what do you think ? What nornally causes this > > > > Don > > Hi Don, > I travel to East TN every year to see the spring flowers, for the last > 15 years. IMO, East TN honey is the most amazing and the best in the world , > due to the large number of species in the mixed mesophytic forests. The Honey is > liable to be about anything, and you used to be able to purchase anything > from an almost white honey to near black. > This year, It was extremely difficult to find honey for sale. > What happened? Did everyone call it quits all of a sudden? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Theo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:01:45 +0200 Lines: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: t4o204p45.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t4o204p45.telia.com Message-ID: <358f60ed.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed50.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t4o204p45.telia.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13071 test Article 13072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.wli.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "petty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle and Diazinon Date: 24 Jun 1998 11:20:14 GMT Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bd9f62$01981f40$c8003dce@pettyben> References: <358FE68A.667F@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.61.0.200 X-Trace: 898687214 FJ6/YA4JN00C8CE3DC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13072 Dr. Lalo wrote in article <358FE68A.667F@earthlink.net>... > A much better alternative would be the use of beneficial nematodes or > milky sopre to kill the ground-dwelling larvae and pupae of the small > hive beetle. Neithir milky spore or beneficial nematodes are harmfull > to honey bees. is there evidence that milky spore will kill the small hive beetle? beneficial nematodes? aren't nematodes fairly specific in their hosts? seems that some folks here in Georgia have the hive beetle as well and their description of what it does to a hive is horrid. I second you on the Daizinon- sure, it works, but it is wicked stuff. anyone have concrete evidence on alternative control measures? Article 13073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.188.0.171!news.tm.net.my!not-for-mail From: jesseong1@hotmail.com (jesse ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FAQs and how to have them answered Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:22:07 GMT Organization: TMnet Malaysia Lines: 31 Message-ID: <358e386c.2780894@192.168.0.1> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <1998061712215175982@zetnet.co.uk> <6m89eg$8bi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rsh-75-65.tm.net.my X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13073 On 17 Jun 1998 11:31:28 GMT, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <1998061712215175982@zetnet.co.uk>, >Philip Roger Gurr wrote: >>The message <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> >> from "JAF" contains these words: >> >> >> >>> Mark Jensen wrote in message <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... >>> >On Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:55:41 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) >>> >wrote: >> >>> This conversation is intriguing to those of us who know little or nothiing >>> of BEE-L. Perhaps you might post some details of this service, for the >>> benefit of the uninitiated? I'm sure it would be aprectiated! >> >>Likewise. Is this something only available in the U.S.of A.? > >http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees > >Read the FAQ files. :-) > >Adam > >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@vt.edu >http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 13074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3590EB89.F8C221FC@sympatico.ca> From: sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My Beekeeping Website Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:24:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.218.40 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:24:37 EDT Organization: Bell Solutions Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13074 Hello All, Here is the link to my personal website, which I just got up and running last night. http://www3.sympatico.ca/sgt.tibbs Hope you like it. Leave any comments or sugestions in the guest book area. I also have to thank my friend Larry Conway, for letting me use his digital camera and scanning my pictures for me. Thanks Larry! Thank You Allen Banks Article 13075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!elrnd1.el.dow.com!165.216.8.37 From: "Dow AgroSciences" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco vs Permadent Date: 24 Jun 98 08:50:06 GMT Organization: Dow AgroSciences Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01bd9f77$13473400$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> References: <6mo0rc$ro4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998062313504600.JAA28192@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: elinet1.dowagro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13075 I have 10 frames of Pierco that I bought 2 yrs ago and I bought my hive equipment from Kelley's. I'm disappointed with the Pierco frames because, although they've been drawn out and used well, there is always about and inch of burr comb on the bottom of every frame. I've been told that this is due to a mismatch in equipment. But I was wondering if anybody else had experienced this or if there is a solution?? Otherwise I'm going to replace these frames as I can switch them out. Lisa K Indiana Article 13076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pierco foundation Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:24:54 -0400 Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.235 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.235 Message-ID: <35910c19.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13076 Greetings! this is a thread that came from the Bee-L..dealing with Pierco foundation.. damage or break the comb, but when they are torqued they don't have the rigidity of a wooden frame. Perhaps they will firm up after the bees have raised a few generations of brood in them, sorry..IMHO..they do not firm up as might be expected..more honey you have on the foundation,more flexible this foundation becomes.. If time allows I like wooden frames with plastic, beeswax coated foundation. I use Permadent for ALL my foundation..no "flexibilty".. beat the savings in time and material offered by Pierco frames and I suspect they will become the industry standard. maybe..I use an air-gun to "snap" the woodenware with the permadent foundation..yes.I make my own frames and this definitely is cost effective. I have a COMPLETE instruction on the use if Pierco frames at this location http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 13077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey flow Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998062413304300.JAA09711@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jun 1998 13:30:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6mmvkt$25o$1@news.usit.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13077 >Is the honey flow in East Tn. over Don't know bout tenn, but here in central NC it's pretty much gone till fall. Was a n ice one though , Got 12 gal. off of 4 hives sold it for $4.25 a pint quick as i could bottle it !! Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 13078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Michael Oberle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco vs Permadent Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:17:00 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6mr1p3$pd5@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> References: <6mo0rc$ro4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998062313504600.JAA28192@ladder01.news.aol.com> <01bd9f77$13473400$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: min-mn4-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jun 24 7:17:07 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13078 You can send them to me. I have had nothing but good results with it. -- Thanks Michael Oberle NTS1@ix.netcom.com Minnesota The state where absolutely nothing is allowed. Dow AgroSciences wrote in message <01bd9f77$13473400$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com>... >I have 10 frames of Pierco that I bought 2 yrs ago and I bought my hive >equipment from Kelley's. > >I'm disappointed with the Pierco frames because, although they've been >drawn out and used well, there is always about and inch of burr comb on >the bottom of every frame. I've been told that this is due to a mismatch >in equipment. But I was wondering if anybody else had experienced this or >if there is a solution?? Otherwise I'm going to replace these frames as I >can switch them out. > >Lisa K >Indiana > Article 13079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pierco foundation Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998062416024700.MAA22914@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jun 1998 16:02:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35910c19.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13079 Been using the pieco's for a while they do stiffen up a bit once they age just like any foundation. I pry the super straight up 1/2 inch and put a wood chip in the gap and then pry each frame straight up to break the burr comb/propolus and the frames below straight down.. I do notice they build more odd bits of comb on the tops and bottoms but the top and bottom bar is thinner also so the comb that is supposed to be there is closer. Tom in CT Article 13080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Queen excluder wanted Message-ID: <898704050@zbee.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:00:50 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13080 On Jun 23, 1998 09:46pm, SNEWPORT@PAVILION.CO.UK wrote to ALL: Hello, S> I am after Queen excluders for the Langstroth Hives. Wanted in UK You didn't say where abouts in the UK so I could recommend a local Thorne agent other wise Thorne themselves will do Mail order. Wire Q excluder £13.68 + pp Tel.:01673 858555 or email thorne@dial.pipex.com If your local to SE.London, I have a Four frame langstroft deep Nuc to anybody that wanted to start beekeeping or increasing stocks. Regards Steve STEVEN TURNER G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of ZBeeNet BBS. http://www.beeman.dircon.co.uk/ Email: beeman@zbee.com ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 13081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Robbers Lines: 24 Message-ID: <1998062419522600.PAA21590@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jun 1998 19:52:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <358D606F.2F255BEC@fcbl.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13081 Skunks (and 'coons) are right behind teenages in 4x4s as the major predator of bee hives. One way to tell is that your hive being attacked at night is suddenly hard to work and the girls seem to have become REAL nasty. Another tell-tale sign is dirty little foot prints/foot streaks on the fornt of our hive(s). Raccoons and skunks pray on bees at night by scratching at the entrance and gobbling up bees as they come out to see what's up. A 'coon or skunks can devistate a hive in a few nights. Trapping (live or otherwise) will knock the preditor population down, but discouracing them works even better. One technique is carpet tack strips (tack out) on the entrance board and/or the front of the hive to "discourage" scratching. A more"humane" technique is a one-foot or so diameter of poultry wire placed in front of the hive and partly flattened. The 'coons and skunks won't put their feet in what they precieve as holes and this keeps them from the front of the hives. CHekc out our website for skunk spray treatments from your failed trapping exeriences at http:/members.aol.com/beetools Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee (deep in the heart of skunk, 'coon, and teens in 4x4s country). Article 13082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: no sign of laying Queen Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998062420025800.QAA18751@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jun 1998 20:02:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <358D7268.377730AE@ix.netcom.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13082 Secret Squirrel may or may not be right about newly mated queen being present. It would be a good idea to put in a frame or two of brood (with eggs but no bees) from another hive as an insurance policy. If there is indeed a new queen present, you have given the hive a three-week boost (and since in most areas the honey flow will be over before this brood are serving as field bees, not hurt the donor hive any). In the worst case, you have either given the hive the resources to requeen itself, or bought enough time to determine that you do need to requeen. And, if you do requeen, the presence of brood will help with the queens acceptance. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 13083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco vs Permadent Lines: 36 Message-ID: <1998062420355800.QAA26423@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jun 1998 20:35:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6mo0rc$ro4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13083 We ran extensinve tests for bee accpetance of Pierco/Rightway/Plasticell/PermaDent/Duragild/crimp wire foundatiuon systems, and found no satatstical difference between them on acceptance, all other conditions being equal. One person alluded to the burr comb problem. It's not necessairly a problem of equipment miss-match. The Peirco frames are slightly shorter than "standard" wood frames in general, but the real problem with Pierco is that the bees do not propolize it down as well af they do wood and when they burr comb it (which they do to a greater extent than they do with wood) you end up pulling up frames when you pull the top or the upper box. This rolls bees between frames and REALLY ticks them off. Now you have to go in with the hive tool and separate the frame from each other or from the top while you have "upset" bees attacking your hands which is holding the demon tool. This problem does not manifest itself uually until the second or third year with the Pierco frames. This extra time/aggrevation is easliy offsets the time it takes to build wooden frames. With all the plastic foundation systems, you can hive-tool-off drone comb and it will usually be repaired (not so with cripm wire and Duragild). The plastic foundations, when they are really goofed up, can be frozen, flexed and the comb pops off. With eht wood frame base foundations, you just sanp it back in the frame. One other problem we found with Pierco is that you cannot just put ten frames in a box and move it to a yard and have it draw correctly WITHOUT going back into the box and carefully spaicng the frames. The frames are just a little narrower than wood frames and can shift in transit and leave a large gap between two frames. We carry all of the systems and sell them to hobbyist and sideline beekeepers. We have the happiest clients with PermaDent, by a large margin, which is a bit of a shame for us since it is the least profitable of the lot - but a happy client is one who comes back again and again... Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dadant/Apistan Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:52:34 -0400 Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.245 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.245 Message-ID: <35918316.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.245 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13084 Greetings! I received this message in my guestbook area...so much for wellmarks warnings about the proper use of apistan. I left out the person's email address..if your really curious..you could look for the 'address"..hint! Wed Jun 24 13:55:18 1998 Location: Geneva, FL 32732 E- mail: Comments:Concerning varroa, after moving here from Ohio in '94, I decided to get back into bees, and in early '95 went to the DADANT store in UMATILLA FL to buy supplies. The head guy was most helpful, but when asked about the application of Apistan, he said, 'Oh I just leave the strips in all the time.' Well, I didn't, but now that I hear about Apiatan resistance here in Central Florida, I wonder how many other people he said this to, and just how much he may have had to do with the resistance buildup. Holly-B Apiary P.O.Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -- Article 13085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco vs Permadent Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:14:33 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 71 Message-ID: <6ms4p9$1ea$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6mo0rc$ro4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998062313504600.JAA28192@ladder01.news.aol.com> <01bd9f77$13473400$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 25 00:14:33 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13085 > I'm disappointed with the Pierco frames because, although they've been > drawn out and used well, there is always about and inch of burr comb on > the bottom of every frame. I've been told that this is due to a mismatch > in equipment. But I was wondering if anybody else had experienced this or > if there is a solution?? This is a common problem. I have it in all my 2,750 hives to some extent because the manufacturers cannot agree on how much bee space to leave at the top and how much at the bottom of each super. Hence none in some cases and double bee space in others. Anyhow, I put these questions and concerns to my? bees. Let's listen: --- 'The solution: Think Like a Bee. Not homo sapiens. Bees LIKE to have one long comb top to bottom. Homo sapiens finds that a nuisance. Follow me into a whole different world for a moment...' 'Me, me, me, me, me'. 'That is all those monkey-types think... For us who work selflessly for the hive, it gets tiresome. 'My hive, my swarm, my lawyer, my allergy'. Give me (us) a break'. 'A while back some (very protestant thinking) monkey-form dude found a way to trick us bees to work against our own instincts and leave gaps in the comb and generally not glue things up in _our_ home. Of course this perversion of nature makes things easier for the non-hymenoptera life forms who want to disassemble our beehives frequently, but does nothing to improve the performance of us honey bees (whose home it is after all)'. 'In actual fact, such artificial gaps in the combs inhibit the travels of many, if not most, of our queens and reduce the enthusiasm for us bees entering the upper hive regions. I say that bee spaces -- carried to excess -- are a main cause of posts on internet newsgroups and mailing lists asking 'howcum _my_ bees are not grateful that I have scraped the hive within an inch of (human) perfection and supplied the latest in human-admired provisions'. (Bees do not need humans [except for Apistan to cure a disease humans brought])'. 'Another questionable invention by non-insects is the queen excluder. When combined with a *double* 'bee space' and a box full of flimsy wooden sticks framing a sheet of wax embossed in a weak imitation of cell bottoms, this device is enough to make any self respecting apis -- no matter how agreeable -- say 'enough is enough' and enough to cause hive members to stay away in droves -- even to the extent of sometimes flying into a neighbouring tree and hanging in clusters in protest'. 'Bees, being the agreeable and adaptable critters that we are, can sometimes accept some of the devices necessary for co-operation with monkey-types -- if we are not pressed too far. We can accept a queen excluder: it provides a neat divide between what belongs to us bees and what belongs to their humble servants (unfortunate beings with two legs). We bees can live with that, but when this device is accompanied by a double 'bee space' (one above and one -- for good measure -- below), and cleaned of every sign of acceptance by loving bees such as a little homey burr comb, it is a repugnant symbol of non- appreciation and misunderstanding by humans -- and ignored'. Pierco? Finally someone understands us. One long comb! --- Anyhow, I'm busy moving bees to pollination and watching TV, so enough of these insights. Gotta go. Allen -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 13086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco vs Permadent Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998062503201100.XAA21487@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jun 1998 03:20:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6mpl38$p6@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13086 The first time I cut my thumb on the metal banding on duragilt was the last time I ever ordered any. Article 13087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John (not Jaf)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <1998061712215175982@zetnet.co.uk> <6m89eg$8bi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <358e386c.2780894@192.168.0.1> Subject: Re: FAQs and how to have them answered Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:54:35 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-175.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35920939.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!peer.news.th.u-net.net!u-net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-175.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13087 jesse wrote in message <358e386c.2780894@192.168.0.1>... >On 17 Jun 1998 11:31:28 GMT, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) >wrote: > >>In article <1998061712215175982@zetnet.co.uk>, >>Philip Roger Gurr wrote: >>>The message <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> >>> from "JAF" contains these words: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Mark Jensen wrote in message <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... >>>> >On Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:55:41 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) >>>> >wrote: >>> >>>> This conversation is intriguing to those of us who know little or nothiing >>>> of BEE-L. Perhaps you might post some details of this service, for the >>>> benefit of the uninitiated? I'm sure it would be aprectiated! >>> I have made 4 attempts to subscribe to Bee-L, but recieve 'failed' messages every time. I am following the instructions! Help! -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 13088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FAQs and how to have them answered Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:04:54 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6mthtm$uej$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <1998061712215175982@zetnet.co.uk> <6m89eg$8bi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <358e386c.2780894@192.168.0.1> <35920939.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 25 13:04:54 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13088 In article <35920939.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>, "Kidney John (not Jaf)" wrote: > I have made 4 attempts to subscribe to Bee-L, but recieve 'failed' messages > every time. I am following the instructions! Help! Try it from the BEE-L link on this URL: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/bee/ This uses a web interface for subscribing and searching. You might want to bookmark it, since it leads to other discussion areas and lists as well as features you may use repeatedly. The sci.agriculture.beekeeping link at that page is a handy way to access multiple methods of using this newsgroup, and also leads to the logs. Let me know if you still have problems. Allen -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 13089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco vs Permadent Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:55:55 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 45 Message-ID: <6mthcr$tvp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6mo0rc$ro4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998062420355800.QAA26423@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 25 12:55:55 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13089 In article <1998062420355800.QAA26423@ladder01.news.aol.com>, beetools@aol.com (Beetools) wrote: > One person alluded to the (Pierco) burr comb problem... > ...The Pierco frames are slightly shorter than "standard" > wood frames in general... > ... when they burr comb it (which > they do to a greater extent than they do with wood) you end up pulling up > frames when you pull the top or the upper box. This rolls bees between frames > and REALLY ticks them off. Now you have to go in with the hive tool and > separate the frame from each other or from the top while you have "upset" bees > attacking your hands which is holding the demon tool. This problem does not > manifest itself uually until the second or third year with the Pierco frames. In commercial service we find this routinely happens with all designs of frames and that there is a simple trick that deals with it: When separating boxes, simply insert the tool from the side and pry down with the tool (to avoid pressuring the thin area on the front of the box where the rabbet is located, and when the boxes are cracked apart, rotate the upper box about 5 or 10 degrees around the vertical axis of symmetry. This shears any ladder comb between boxes with minimal damage to bottom bars, bees, etc. The upper box then lifts off neatly. We usually do not remove normal amounts of ladder comb, and find that lack of 'proper' bee space is an actual bonus in that the bees move up and down much better. We've not had any noticeable problem with the Pierco we have had in hives over the past years, but maybe it tends to be more noticeable when a box contains only Pierco. I don't know. One thing I notice about the Pierco is that they do crowd together better in a box due to the hollow shoulders, and because they are flat that the brood comb spacing should continue to be good without extensive routine scraping of end bars. The tendency of the frames to twist and flop in handling takes a bit of getting used to, but is tolerable IMO. The different feel in the hands -- compared to wood frames -- due to the harder edges may be a problem if one is handling brood frames all day. We'll see. The 10,000 frames is a small percentage of all the frames in our hives and should give us enough to evaluate better so we can decide whether to get them again in the future. Allen -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 13090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.vanderbilt.edu!news From: Marshall Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dadant/Apistan Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:04:24 -0500 Organization: Vanderbilt University, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 34 Message-ID: <359258E8.33CD02DB@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> References: <35918316.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d009117.n1.vanderbilt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13090 Hello, I have recently acquired a colony, and was advised to put an Apistan strip in the hive box. The strip has been in place for 1 month. Can anyone advise me regarding 1) which seasons and 2) how long the medication should stay in the hive? Thanks, Marshall Midnite wrote: > > Greetings! > I received this message in my guestbook area...so much for wellmarks > warnings about the proper use of apistan. > I left out the person's email address..if your really curious..you could > look for the 'address"..hint! > Wed Jun 24 13:55:18 1998 > Location: Geneva, FL 32732 > E- mail: > Comments:Concerning varroa, after moving here from Ohio in '94, I decided to > get back into bees, and in early '95 went to the DADANT store in UMATILLA FL > to buy supplies. The head guy was most helpful, but when asked about the > application of Apistan, he said, 'Oh I just leave the strips in all the > time.' Well, I didn't, but now that I hear about Apiatan resistance here in > Central Florida, I wonder how many other people he said this to, and just > how much he may have had to do with the resistance buildup. > > Holly-B Apiary > P.O.Box 26 > Wells,Maine 04090-0026 > http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee > > -- Article 13091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!falcon!eagle.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Brenton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Please help my bees! Lines: 38 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:43:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.177.88.216 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:43:48 EDT Organization: 24hoursupport.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13091 I captured a swarm about three weeks ago. I quickly constructed a topbar hive and managed to get most of them in there. They began building comb immediately and by last week had half of two combs drawn out. Yesterday I disasterously destroyed the biggest comb. It was poorly attatched to the top bar and was almost three inches thick! It was hot yesterday while I was opening the hive and trying to put in new bars with starter strips on them. The previous bars had cardboard strips to help the bees stay straight. It kept them straight, but they did not attatch comb to the wood properly. It made me sick, almost literally, to see the comb slowly peel away and crash on the ground. There were bees on it too. (Taps here.) I have never seen a queen, but the bees have seemed happy though I thought they should be building more comb and laying eggs. I am not sure if I killed the queen, but I didn't find her among the dead. There were only about 20 killed. Since then the bees have been most unhappy. Many of them are on the landing and on the front of the hive. Questions: They had the combs full of pollen and the sugar syrup I was feeding them. There are no brood cells yet, should there be egg laying by now if there is a queen? Can I feed the gooey pollen and sugar I squeezed from the comb back to the bees? How should I do this? I am beginning to suspect that there never was a queen even though the bees are not mean. I regularly work around the hive and stick my video camera up inside there sometimes and the bees leave me alone. I am sad, but facinated, and addicted really. I am totally enthralled by them. This time next year I will have several hives. Thank you for reading, Brent Article 13092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!worldfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.gte.net!newsfeed2.gte.net.MISMATCH!news.gte.net!not-for-mail From: see@sigline.com (John Wilkerson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Please help my bees! Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:51:51 GMT Organization: gte.net Lines: 55 Message-ID: <6mu6jq$5tj$1@news-1.news.gte.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust186.tnt1.lakeland.fl.gt.uu.net X-Auth: DC1A9C5A0194D69554CA8491 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13092 On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:43:48 GMT, "Brenton" wrote: >It made me sick, almost literally, to see the comb slowly peel away and >crash on the ground. There were bees on it too. I had the same problem early this month when I first installed a packedge into a TBH. I tryed stringing several sheets of foundation to the top bar but the weight of the bees caused the foundation to fall during the night. The next day I had to open the hive and and removed all the foundation but mistakenly left short pieces of string hanging down into the hive chamber. Five days later when I reopened the hive they had started building all the cone 90 degrees from the direction I wanted them to build it. They had used the short pieces of string to center their new cones not the alignment ridged I made on the top bars. So then I tried to remove the larger of the cones they had been buliding and wire them correctly to the top bars and just removed the smalles cones. This partly worked. Of the three cones I rewired, one fell over the next couple of days and I had to reopen the hive and remove it because they were continuning to build on it up toward the other cones. Thinking they probably needed a little more help I reattatched some salvaged foundation back to a few top bars and inserted these into the hive. This time they proceded to chew the string I used to secure the new foundation from the wax and caused parts of the new cones(foundation) they began drawing to come free and bend down into the hive and make contact with cones they had already starting filling with larve, honey, and pollen. Next I had to open the hive again and remove all traces of string and fallen foundation as well as bur comb they were using to support the misshappened new cones to the old cones. Finally after this sat for a week they were on the right track in making cone in the right direction and correct shape. As I removed the excess cone I simply placed it on top of the feeder at the door and allowed them to reclaim the honey by robbing their own discarded cone. The best thing I could have done is try and leave them alone and not rewired the removed cone back into the hive. It caused me more trouble than I think it was worth and a lot of stress on the hive. I'm lucky they did not super the Queen. The ag inspector and I reviewed the hive today and all is well. The Queen is producing as fast as they can build cone. >I am beginning to suspect that there never was a queen even though the bees >are not mean. I regularly work around the hive and stick my video camera up >inside there sometimes and the bees leave me alone. Just wait, I thought the same thing. After a total of three weeks all the new cone was covered with capped brood and fresh larve. johnwilk@wici.com Article 13093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey flow From: whummer@ciai.net (William S. Hummer) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <6mmvkt$25o$1@news.usit.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.136.8.31 Message-ID: <35906d37.0@news9.kcdata.com> Date: 24 Jun 1998 03:06:31 -0600 X-Trace: 24 Jun 1998 03:06:31 -0600, 209.136.8.31 Lines: 15 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!udel-eecis!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!205.136.1.211!news.cwi.net!news.choice.net!dca1-feed2.news.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.slurp.net!209.242.64.105.MISMATCH!news9.kcdata.com!209.136.8.31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13093 I live in Bossier City in North West Louisiana. The bees over here are still packing it in. William S. Hummer Hummer & Son Honey Farm 318 742-3541 Honey, Bees, and Beekeeping Supplies. In article <6mmvkt$25o$1@news.usit.net>, dmelton@usit.net says... > > Is the honey flow in East Tn. over or what bees don't seem to be doing >much, just >mostly hanging out on the front porch > > Article 13094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dadant/Apistan Lines: 26 Message-ID: <1998062601271800.VAA21907@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jun 1998 01:27:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <359258E8.33CD02DB@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13094 >o put an Apistan >strip in the hive box. >The strip has been in place for 1 month. >Can anyone advise me regarding 1) which seasons and 2) how long the >medication should stay in the hive? > > hi marshall apistan should stay on at least 45 days but not over 56 days rec for treatment include an early spring treatment then a late fall one. here in central NC i do it this way....strips on Jan first for the full 56 days ( this assures me that there will be no varroa around for the spring buildup) we have a good fall honey flow here so my fall treatment is around july one, so i'll be ready for the fall flow in late august-oct still the best thing is to look for mites, and treat accordingly lemmie know if i can help ya anymore hk johnson Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 13095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Ed Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTB: Solar Melter Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:19:22 -0500 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3593133A.2F02@sprintmail.com> Reply-To: computer2@sprintmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-001mnminnp305.dialsprint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SI304B01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13095 Ed Wrote: I am looking to purchase a good commercial solar melter for melting bees wax. I live in St.Paul, Mn, so if your out of state, please let me know how much shipping will be. Thanks, Ed Article 13096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!not-for-mail From: Abe Maaijen <"maaijen[no-spam]"@xs4all.nl> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:45:13 +0200 Organization: Aannemersbedrijf Abe Maaijen Message-ID: <3593C209.5AEF@xs4all.nl> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dc2-modem773.dial.xs4all.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-XS4ALL-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:45:19 CEST X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Lines: 62 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13096 hello beekeepers I made mine own extractor, if you are interrested, you can download the plan from mine home page http://www.xs4all.nl/~maaijen/honeybee.html I hope it will help you Abe Maaijen Remove [-nospam] from mine E-mail adress if you like to respond. Abe Maaijen E-mail maaijen@xs4all.nl Beijerscheweg 73 Homepage http://www.xs4all.nl/~maaijen/ 2821 NE Stolwijk The Netherlands Ira Seskin wrote: > > I know its a bit early in the season, but the honey is starting to flow, > and im hoping to actually get some surplus honey this year (2 hobby > hives). Since my wife has threatened divorce if I ever use her pots and > pans and such to extract as I did last year ( the hard way... scrape > everything into a pot, heat 'till the wax rises and then put in the > freezer... pull off the wax on top.... and run through a strainer) who can > suggest a small extractor. I have seen a few stainless hobby extractors > but all are well over $200. Does anyone make a decent plastic one? Are > they really bad...? or can they be used fairly reliably.. ? > > Thanks. > > -I- > > -- > _ > /_/_ .'''. > =O(_)))) ...' `. > \_\ `. .'''B'zzzzzzzzzzz > `..' > > /| __ > / | ,-~ / > Y :| // / > | jj /( .^ > >-"~"-v" > / Y > jo o | > ( ~T~ j > >._-' _./ > / "~" | I AM HAVING A > Y _, | BAD > /| ;-"~ _ l HARE DAY > / l/ ,-"~ \ > \//\/ .- \ > Y / Y* > l I ! > ]\ _\ /"\ > (" ~----( ~ Y. ) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ->Jackson Bunny<- > > "Live Free or Die" > > -- Article 13097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "RANDY REITH" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Galanized Honey Extractor Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:10:17 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6n0iaf$2bt@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.18.116 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13097 I just bought a galvanized steel honey extractor real cheap. I've just been told that I shouldn't use it because it will contaminate the honey with traces of lead. Is this true? Concerned, Randy Article 13098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jaf" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6n0iaf$2bt@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Galanized Honey Extractor Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:40:47 +0100 Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-162.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3593cf4b.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-162.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13098 RANDY REITH wrote in message <6n0iaf$2bt@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... >I just bought a galvanized steel honey extractor real cheap. I've just been >told that I shouldn't use it because it will contaminate the honey with >traces of lead. Is this true? > >Concerned, > >Randy > > Galvan is zinc, so it should be ok, at least by my GCSE chemistry O level. -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 13099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!pingflood.geo.net!news.onlynews.com!not-for-mail From: "Terry Pierce" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees about to swarm Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:36:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.57.197.58 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:36:01 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13099 I need some help! I am working with my first hive. Today I found swarm cells on the bottom of one of the frames of brood. If I put that fame and couple other frames of brood along with a frame of honey in a nuc box and move it to a friends house for a few days, can I effectively split the colony and prevent it from swarming? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Terry Pierce Article 13100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!209.69.36.218!news1.ispnews.com!c01news01.service.talkway.com!c01read02.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "gjax" Subject: missing bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8TXk1.1$8R6.231024@c01read02.service.talkway.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:26:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.185.64.137 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:26:28 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13100 A friend noticed that two hives on the property she recently bought contained no bees (she had noticed some coming and going previously) On opening the hives, she found a number of ants, frames containing a fair amount of honey, but not a bee in sight, not even a dead one. I suspect they may have been poisoned by insecticides from neighbouring properties. Has anyoneany other theories on what could have happened. The hives are situated not far from Melbourne in Australia, and the weather has been mild. Thanks, geoff jackson This message sent via http://www.talkway.com/. Surf Usenet! Article 13101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!pingflood.geo.net!news.onlynews.com!not-for-mail From: "Terry Pierce" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help Bees about to swarm Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 02:43:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.57.197.64 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:43:03 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13101 I am working with my first hive. Today I found two uncapped swarm cells on the bottom of a frame of brood. If I put that frame and a couple of others in a nuc box and move it to a friends house for a couple of days can I effectively start a new colony and prevent the other from swarming? Any help with this matter will be greatly appreciated. Thank You, Terry Pierce Article 13102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help Bees about to swarm Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:55:58 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 62 Message-ID: <6n315u$v3j$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.15 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 27 14:55:58 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13102 In article , "Terry Pierce" wrote: > > I am working with my first hive. Today I found two uncapped swarm cells on > the bottom of a frame of brood. If I put that frame and a couple of others > in a nuc box and move it to a friends house for a couple of days can I > effectively start a new colony and prevent the other from swarming? Any > help with this matter will be greatly appreciated. Howdy Terry, By uncapped swarm cells I would mean swarm cells that DO have a queen larva in them and are going to be capped soon, is that what you are seeing? Or are you seeing what I would call "play cups" - calling them that because they are just playing around making them not yet serious about actually using them - they contain not even an egg let alone a larva. If it is the latter no immediate action may be required. If the former and swarm prevention is the desire then action is required. I would NOT advise making the split until SOON AFTER the swarm cells are capped but with this caveat - some colonies will swarm BEFORE they cap the swarm cells - while most tend to time swarming for just shortly before the virgins start emerging. If/when you make the split you might be better off taking the old queen and moving her in the split (simulating swarming but with you controlling it). Why? If ya leave the old queen on the parent location and you don't actually break up the urge to swarm then swarm they will. Miss one cell hidden somewhere and their ability to swarm remains intact using the "old queen left on parent stand" method. Of course the flip side is that really swarmy bees will sometimes swarm with a virgin too (meaning that your best efforts can be thwarted). Okay but let's say ya got your heart set on leaving the old queen on the parent stand and shoot they already made two supers of honey so you don't care if you lose some honey to gain a new colony. Then what I would do is take all but two frames of the brood and move them off in the split WITH QUEEN CELLS LEFT INTACT - this could be done in the same yard. Fact is you can move ALL the brood and give the returning foragers and the old queen empty comb and a frame of stores (assuming a flow is on and will continue to be on for a good while so they can find food). As a bee-ginner you may not have empty comb to give them but only foundation - in which case you have a bigger job on your hands to insure they have enough bees and enough incoming nectar or syrup to be able to draw all the foundation fairly quickly. If you leave brood with the old queen on the parent stand you need to be sure you cut any queen cells down on frames left therewith. Making such a hard split the old queen and the foragers tend to forget swarming and get to the new job of getting their house in order for winter - which around here in late June they would still have time to do assuming the hive was very populous when thus split AND the bees have food coming in from either natural sources or beekeeper provided feeders (we tend to have at least a trickle of a flow most all Summer here). Best wishes, Jack Griffes Honeybee Improvement Program Onsted, MI http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apimondia '99 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:20:15 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 773 Message-ID: <6n2v2v$soh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.22 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 27 14:20:15 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13103 To: People involved in the beekeeping industry From: Dr. Gard W. Otis, Chair of Promotion, Apimondia'99 I am pleased to be able to attach to this E-mail message a press release (#3) concerning Apimondia'99. This meeting promises to be an excellent source of beekeeping information and means to make international contacts--in fact we believe it to be perhaps the best beekeeping meeting ever held! The press release focuses on ApiExpo'99, the trade show that accompanies the scientific program of the meeting. On behalf of the Apimondia'99 Organizing Committee, I hope that you will pass this message on to others who may want to receive it. There have been two previous press releases (October 1997 and May 1998). If you have not received these but would like them, please send me a return E-mail message to that effect. Some of you will receive this information by regular mail in another week. I would appreciate it if you would advise me if E-mail is your preferred means of receiving information. Also, if you know of people who may not be receiving this information, then please pass on the E-mail address and I can add it to the distribution list. You will see that the message below appears in English, French, German, and Spanish (alphabetical order) versions. I would like to take this opportunity to publically thank Fran Kay, of Fran Kay & Associates, Chase, B.C., for her work in preparing this press release. Fran and I are working together to promote the Apimondia'99 meeting. Again, many thanks for you help in helping to distribute information about this important meeting. Good Beekeeping!!! Sincerely, Dr. Gard W. Otis Dept. of Environmental Biology University of Guelph Guelph, Ontario Canada N1G 2W1 ********************************************************************** ENGLISH ApiExpo'99 Will Actively Complement Apimondia Congress The ApiExpo trade show accompanying Apimondia'99 will be every bit as exciting as the other aspects of this huge international congress, planned for the Vancouver Trade and Convention Centre from September 12-18, 1999. Under the glistening white sails of the west coast's premier convention facility are over 6,000 square metres (60,000 square feet) of exhibit space, with wonderful natural light provided through translucent ceilings up to 150 feet high, all in the same grand facility as the convention sessions, lounge and food courts. Roomy, carpeted and fully air-conditioned, the trade show area will provide convention participants, whether exhibitors or registrants, with comfortable access to the best the beekeeping world has to offer. "We have incorporated other elements of Apimondia, especially the posters for research projects, right onto the ApiExpo floor," says trade show coordinator Paul van Westendorp. "By having this seamless connection between the scientific program and the trade show, all in one envelope, in such incomparable facilities, we have made ApiExpo a deliberately active and integrated part of the Congress." From educational displays by such groups as the International Bee Research Association and the US National Honey Board, to equipment, publications, pharmaceuticals, beverages, cosmetics and anything else concerning the bee industry, exhibitors are vying for position. Already, organizers are fielding requests for larger booth space from early registrants. "We've deliberately kept our exhibitor rates low enough to encourage anyone in commercial beekeeping to display their wares," van Westendorp says. "Everyone should get involved." One of the first to express interest in becoming a major sponsor was Willie Baumgartner of Medivet Pharmaceuticals, High River, Alberta, Canada. "I've been to the last two Apimondia congresses, in Switzerland and Belgium," he explains, "and I was very impressed. For me, it is vitally important to have access to researchers and beekeepers, off-shore as well as on, and there is no better place than Apimondia. The Canadian meeting looks like it will be spectacular. I am thrilled to be involved!" Paul Belisle, President and General Manager of Bee Maid Honey of Manitoba and Alberta, expresses his feelings about the meeting this way. "Our directors are very excited about both Apimondia'99 and the ApiExpo. We feel that we can represent our organization to the world beekeeping industry through ApiExpo. This gives us the opportunity to meet face to face with current and potential customers." Another major sponsor, Tim Dadant of Dadant and Sons, Hamilton, Illinois, concurs. This will be his first Apimondia congress, an experience he looks forward to after hearing his father speak of others he attended. "Everyone is looking forward to having Apimondia back in North America," he says. "This is our own marketplace, but we have always been interested in the international one too. And I am looking forward to coming to Vancouver for the first time. I understand it is a beautiful city." Check the website regularly for updated information about the congress: http://www/apimondia99.ca For ApiExpo exhibitor information, contact Paul van Westendorp, BC Ministry of Agriculture & Food, Abbotsford Agriculture Centre, 1767 Angus Campbell Rd., Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada, V3G 2M3; phone: 604-556-3129; Fax: 604-556-3030; E-mail: Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca For information regarding Congress registration, contact Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6; fax: 604-681-2503; E-mail: congress@venuewest.com ********************************************************************** FRENCH / FRANCAIS ApiExpo'99 vient completer le congres d'Apimondia. L'exposition commerciale ApiExpo se tiendra en meme temps qu'Apimondia'99 au Centre des congres de Vancouver, du 12 au 18 septembre 1999. L'exposition promet d'etre aussi passionnante que les autres facettes de cette gigantesque rencontre internationale. Sous les toits blancs du plus grand Centre de congres de la cote ouest, on retrouve plus de 6000 metres carres de salles de montre, eclaires par la merveilleuse lumiere naturelle qui scintille a travers les plafonds translucides atteignant jusqu'a 150 pieds de haut. Les salles d'exposition sont facilement accessibles a partir des salles de conference, des salons et des restaurants du Centre. La zone des exposants est spacieuse, confortable et bien climatisee; elle offrira aux congressistes comme aux commercants le cadre ideal pour leurs echanges. "Nous avons installe des elements d'Apimondia, particulierement les affiches des projets de recherche, sur le plancher meme d'ApiExpo," nous indique le coordonnateur du congres, M. Paul van Westendorp. "La proximite du programme scientifique et de l'exposition commerciale dans un environnement aussi agreable confirme la presence d'ApiExpo comme une partie active et integree du congres." Depuis les presentations educatives d'organismes tels que International Beekeeping Research (IBRA) Association et National Honey Board (NHB), en passant par l'equipement apicole, les publications, les produits pharmaceutiques, les boissons, jusqu'aux produits de beaute et tout autre element concernant l'industrie apicole, les exposants rivalisent pour les emplacements de choix. Deja, les organisateurs refusent des demandes d'espace accru de la part des premiers exposants. "Nous avons deliberement fixe nos tarifs a un niveau peu eleve afin d'encourager tous les intervenants du monde apicole a nous faire connaitre leurs produits," dit M Van Westendorp. "Tout le monde doit pouvoir etre present." Un premier homme d'affaires a s'offrir comme commanditaire majeur a ete Willie Baumgartner de Medivet Pharmaceuticals, de High River en Alberta. "J'ai assiste aux deux derniers congres d'Apimondia, a Lausanne en Suisse, et a Anvers en Belgique," dit-il, "et j'ai ete reellement tres impressionne. Pour notre entreprise, il est primordial d'avoir des contacts avec les chercheurs et les apiculteurs, tant d'ici que d'outre-mer, et aucun lieu n'est plus propice qu'Apimondia. Avec les qualites d'organisateurs de l'equipe canadienne, notre congres sera encore plus spectaculaire que les precedents. Je suis enchante d'etre implique!" Tim Dadant, de Dadant & Sons d'Hamilton en Illinois, partage cet avis. La rencontre de Vancouver sera son premier congres d'Apimondia, un evenement qu'il attend avec enthousiasme apres avoir entendu son pere lui raconter ceux auxquels il a assiste. "Tout le monde se rejouit de voir revenir Apimondia en Amerique du Nord," dit-il. "Le continent nord-americain est notre marche premier, mais nous avons toujours avons ete interesses au marche mondial. Et j'ai hate de venir a Vancouver pour la premiere fois. On m'assure que c'est une ville splendide." Paul Belisle, P.D.G. de Bee Maid Honey, Manitoba et Alberta, nous fait part de sa reaction au sujet de Apimondia. "Nos administrateurs sont tres enthousiasmes par Apimondia'99 et ApiExpo. Nous croyons que nous pourrons faire connaitre notre entreprise aux apiculteurs du monde entier grace a ApiExpo. Nous aurons la chance de rencontrer personnellement nos clients actuels et potentiels." Pour information au sujet d 'ApiExpo'99, s'adresser a : Paul van Westendorp British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture & Food Abbotsford Agriculture Centre 1767 Angus Campbell Road Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada, V3G 2M3 Telephone: (604) 556-3129; Fax: (604) 556-3030 Adresse electronique: Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca Pour recevir information concernant l'inscription au congres, veuillez vous adressez a: Apimondia'99 c/o Venue West Conference Services #645 - 375 Water St. Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6 Fax: 1-604-681-2503 Adresse electronique:congress@venuewest.com Post electronique sur Apimondia'99: http://www.apimondia99.ca ****************************************************************** GERMAN / DEUTSCH Die ApiExpo'99 wird den Apimondia Kongress aktiv begleiten Die Apimondia'99 begleitende ApiExpo, die Internationale Ausstellung und Handelsmesse von Imkerei-Bedarfsartikeln wird ebenso aufregend sein, wie alle anderen Aspekte des riesigen internationalen Kongresses, der fr den 12-18 September 1999 im Vancouver Trade and Convention Centre geplant ist. Unter den weissen Segeln der besten Kongresshalle der Westkste sind ber 6.000 m2 Ausstellungsfl„che mit wunderbarem natrlichen Licht, welches durch gl„serne, 50 m hohe Decken erzeugt wird, zusammen mit allen anderen Veranstaltungen und Erfrischungsr„umen verfgbar. Ger„umig, teppichbelegt und voll klimatisiert, wird die Ausstellunghalle allen, ob Aussteller oder Teilnehmer einen komfortablen Zugang zu allem was die Bienenzucht und Imkerei betrifft, bieten. "Wir haben Elemente der Apimondia, wie zum Beispiel die wissenschaftlichen Poster auf der selben Ebene wie die ApiExpo arrangiert", sagt der Koordinator der Messe Paul van Westendorp. "Mit der schnittlosen Verbindung von wissenschaftlichem Programm und Messe in einer sehr komfortablen Umgebung haben wir die ApiExpo zu einem aktiven und integrierten Teil des Kongressess gemacht." Ob Aussteller mit informativen Displays von Gruppen wie der "International Bee Research Association" und dem "US National Honey Board", oder die Displays von Artikeln die mit Bienen, Imkerei, Publikationen, Imkereibedarfsartikeln, Verarbeitung, Nahrungsmitteln, Getr„nken, Arzneimitteln und Kosmetika zu tun haben, alles ist vertreten. Schon jetzt haben die Organisatoren Nachfragen nach mehr Raum von frhen Registranten erhalten. "Wir haben unsere Ausstellergebhren mit Absicht niedrig gehalten, um allen Berufsimkern die Gelegenheit zur Austellung ihrer Waren zu geben," sagt van Westendorp. Einer der Ersten, der ein Interesse in Untersttzung der Apimondia bezeugte, war Willie Baumgartner von Medivet Pharmaceuticals, High River, Alberta, Canada. "Ich bin auf den beiden letzten Apimondia Kongressen, in der Schweiz und Belgien gewesen," sagte er, "und ich war sehr beeindruckt. Es ist sehr wichtig fr mich dass ich Kontakt zu Wissenschaftlern, Imkern und Bienenzchter habe und dafr gibt es keinen besseren Platz als die Apimondia. Das kanadische Treffen verspricht spektakul„r zu werden. Ich freue mich darauf, daran beteiligt zu sein." Paul Belisle, Praesident und Manager der Bee Maid Honey von Manitoba und Alberta, drckt seine Gedanken folgendermassen aus: "Unsere Direktoren sind sehr enthusiastisch ber die Apimondia'99 und die ApiExpo. Wir fhlen, dass wir unsere Organisation der Weltimkerei durch die ApiExpo pr„sentieren k”nnen. Es gibt uns die Gelegenheit unsere jetzigen und zuknftigen Kunden von "Angesicht zu Angesicht" zu treffen." Ein anderer Hauptsponsor, Tim Dadant von Dadant and Sons, Hamilton, Illinois, pflichtet ihm bei. Dies wird sein erster Apimondia Kongress sein, eine Erfahrung auf die er sich freut, nachdem sein Vater ihm von anderen Apimondia's die er besucht hat, erz„hlt hat. "Alle freuen sich darauf, dass die Apimondia wieder in Nordamerika ist," sagt er. "Hier ist unser eigentlicher Markt, aber wir sind auch am internationalen Markt interessiert. Ich freu mich auf meinen ersten Besuch in Vancouver, ich habe geh”rt, dass es eine wundersch”ne Stadt ist." Fr mehr und aktuelle Informationen besuchen Sie uns bitte im Internet: http://www.apimondia99.ca Fr Fragen ber die ApiExpo'99 wenden Sie sich bitte an Paul van Westendorp, BC Ministry of Agriculture & Food, Abbotsford Agriculture Centre, 1767 Angus Campbell Rd., Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada, V3G 2M3; Telefon: 604-556-3129; Fax: 604-556-3030; E-mail: Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca Fr Registrationsinformationen ber die Apimondia'99, wenden Sie sich bitte an Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6; fax: 604-681-2503; E-mail: congress@venuewest.com ********************************************************************** SPANISH / ESPAGNOL ApiExpo'99 Complementar  El Congreso De Apimondia'99 Varios aspectos de ApiExpo'99 seran de tanto inter‚s como los de Apimondia'99. Esta feria acompa¤ar  el Congreso de Apimondia que ser  llevado a cabo del 12 al 18 de Septiembre de 1999 en el Trade And Convention Centre de la ciudad de Vancouver. Bajo sus blancas y radiantes velas, el centro de exhibici¢n pose‚ mas de 6.000 metros cuadrados de espacio disponible con un techo transparente de 150 pies de altura e iluminaci¢n natural. Es amplio, alfombrado, climatizado y ofrecer  a todos los participantes un c¢modo acceso de lo mejor de la industria y ciencia de apicultura. "Hemos incluido en el mismo piso de ApiExpo, varios elementos de Apimondia como art¡culos y resultados cient¡ficos," comenta Paul Van Westendorp, coordinador de la exhibici¢n de ApiExpo'99. "Incorporando totalmente el programa cient¡fico con la feria comercial, en este incomparable espacio, hemos hecho que ApiExpo sea una parte totalmente integrada y activa del Congreso de Apimondia. Habr n publicaciones, muestras de equipos y aparatos, bebidas, productos de cosm‚ticos y farmac‚uticos, exhibiciones educacionales ofrecidas por grupos como los del International Bee Research Association y U.S. National Honey Bee y todo lo relacionado a la industria y ciencia de apicultura. Organizadores est n recibiendo solicitudes de los primeros matriculadores pora reservar espacios los cuales est n en demanda por otros participantes. "Hemos decidido mantener los precios lo m s bajo posible para fomentar la participaci¢n de las personas envueltas en el aspecto comercial de la industria," dice Van Westendorp. "Todos deberian de participar." "He estado en los dos £ltimos congresos de Apimondia que tomaron lugar en Suisa y B‚lgica. Me impresionaron bastante," ‚xplica Willie Baumgartner de Medivet Pharmaceutical de High River, Alberta, Canad  y unos de los primeros en demostrar inter‚s como patrocinador principal. "Para mi es sumamente importante tener acceso, sea cerca o de lejos, a miembros en la industria y en la comunidad cientifica y Apimondia ofrece la mejor oportunidad. Parece que la exposisi¢n Canadiense ser  expectacular. Estoy muy emocionado de participar en este acontecimiento." El presidente y gerente de la compa¤¡a Bee Maid Honey de Manitoba y Alberta, Paul Belisle, dijo que "nuestros directores estan entusiasmados con los eventos de Apimondia'99 y ApiExpo'99. Sentimos que podemos representar nuestra organizaci¢n a la industria internacional de apicultura a trav‚s de ApiExpo. Esto nos dar  la oportunidad de conocer cara a cara a una actual y potencial clientela. El se¤or Tim Dadant de la compa¤¡a Dadant And Sons en Hamilton, Illinois y tambi‚n patrosinador principal de Apimondia, concuerda que la feria de ApiExpo ser  un gran acontecimiento. Este ser  su primer congreso algo que espera con antisipaci¢n despu‚s de escuchar a su padre hablar de varios congresos de Apimondia. "Todos esperan con ansiedad de tener nuevamente el Congreso de Apimondia en Norte Am‚rica y aunque este es nuestro mercado, estamos tambi‚n interesados en el aspecto internacional. Me han comentado que Vancouver es una ciudad preciosa y tengo el deseo de visitarla por primera vez." Para m s informaci¢n sobre ApiExpo'99 contacte: Paul Van Westendorp British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture and Food Abbotsford Agriculture Centre 1767 Angus Campbell Road Abbotsford, British Columbia V3G 2M3, Canada Tel‚fono: 1-604-556-3129 Fax: 1-604-556-3030 Correo El‚ctronico: Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca Para recibir m s informaci¢n sobre Apimondia'99 contact‚nos a la siguiente direcci¢n: Apimondia'99 c/o Venue West Conference Services #645 - 375 Water Street Vancouver, British Columbia V6B 5C6, Canada Fax: 1-604-681-2503 Correo El‚ctronico: congress@venuewest.com http://www.apimondia'99.ca ApiExpo'99 Will Actively Complement Apimondia Congress The ApiExpo trade show accompanying Apimondia'99 will be every bit as exciting as the other aspects of this huge international congress, planned for the Vancouver Trade and Convention Centre from September 12-18, 1999. Under the glistening white sails of the west coast's premier convention facility are over 6,000 square metres (60,000 square feet) of exhibit space, with wonderful natural light provided through translucent ceilings up to 150 feet high, all in the same grand facility as the convention sessions, lounge and food courts. Roomy, carpeted and fully air-conditioned, the trade show area will provide convention participants, whether exhibitors or registrants, with comfortable access to the best the beekeeping world has to offer. "We have incorporated other elements of Apimondia, especially the posters for research projects, right onto the ApiExpo floor," says trade show coordinator Paul van Westendorp. "By having this seamless connection between the scientific program and the trade show, all in one envelope, in such incomparable facilities, we have made ApiExpo a deliberately active and integrated part of the Congress." From educational displays by such groups as the International Bee Research Association and the US National Honey Board, to equipment, publications, pharmaceuticals, beverages, cosmetics and anything else concerning the bee industry, exhibitors are vying for position. Already, organizers are fielding requests for larger booth space from early registrants. "We've deliberately kept our exhibitor rates low enough to encourage anyone in commercial beekeeping to display their wares," van Westendorp says. "Everyone should get involved." One of the first to express interest in becoming a major sponsor was Willie Baumgartner of Medivet Pharmaceuticals, High River, Alberta, Canada. "I've been to the last two Apimondia congresses, in Switzerland and Belgium," he explains, "and I was very impressed. For me, it is vitally important to have access to researchers and beekeepers, off-shore as well as on, and there is no better place than Apimondia. The Canadian meeting looks like it will be spectacular. I am thrilled to be involved!" Paul Belisle, President and General Manager of Bee Maid Honey of Manitoba and Alberta, expresses his feelings about the meeting this way. "Our directors are very excited about both Apimondia'99 and the ApiExpo. We feel that we can represent our organization to the world beekeeping industry through ApiExpo. This gives us the opportunity to meet face to face with current and potential customers." Another major sponsor, Tim Dadant of Dadant and Sons, Hamilton, Illinois, concurs. This will be his first Apimondia congress, an experience he looks forward to after hearing his father speak of others he attended. "Everyone is looking forward to having Apimondia back in North America," he says. "This is our own marketplace, but we have always been interested in the international one too. And I am looking forward to coming to Vancouver for the first time. I understand it is a beautiful city." Check the website regularly for updated information about the congress: http://www/apimondia99.ca For ApiExpo exhibitor information, contact Paul van Westendorp, BC Ministry of Agriculture & Food, Abbotsford Agriculture Centre, 1767 Angus Campbell Rd., Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada, V3G 2M3; phone: 604-556-3129; Fax: 604-556-3030; E-mail: Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca For information regarding Congress registration, contact Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6; fax: 604-681-2503; E-mail: congress@venuewest.com ApiExpo'99 vient completer le congres d'Apimondia. L'exposition commerciale ApiExpo se tiendra en meme temps qu'Apimondia'99 au Centre des congres de Vancouver, du 12 au 18 septembre 1999. L'exposition promet d'etre aussi passionnante que les autres facettes de cette gigantesque rencontre internationale. Sous les toits blancs du plus grand Centre de congres de la cote ouest, on retrouve plus de 6000 metres carres de salles de montre, eclaires par la merveilleuse lumiere naturelle qui scintille a travers les plafonds translucides atteignant jusqu'a 150 pieds de haut. Les salles d'exposition sont facilement accessibles a partir des salles de conference, des salons et des restaurants du Centre. La zone des exposants est spacieuse, confortable et bien climatisee; elle offrira aux congressistes comme aux commercants le cadre ideal pour leurs echanges. "Nous avons installe des elements d'Apimondia, particulierement les affiches des projets de recherche, sur le plancher meme d'ApiExpo," nous indique le coordonnateur du congres, M. Paul van Westendorp. "La proximite du programme scientifique et de l'exposition commerciale dans un environnement aussi agreable confirme la presence d'ApiExpo comme une partie active et integree du congres." Depuis les presentations educatives d'organismes tels que International Beekeeping Research (IBRA) Association et National Honey Board (NHB), en passant par l'equipement apicole, les publications, les produits pharmaceutiques, les boissons, jusqu'aux produits de beaute et tout autre element concernant l'industrie apicole, les exposants rivalisent pour les emplacements de choix. Deja, les organisateurs refusent des demandes d'espace accru de la part des premiers exposants. "Nous avons deliberement fixe nos tarifs a un niveau peu eleve afin d'encourager tous les intervenants du monde apicole a nous faire connaitre leurs produits," dit M Van Westendorp. "Tout le monde doit pouvoir etre present." Un premier homme d'affaires a s'offrir comme commanditaire majeur a ete Willie Baumgartner de Medivet Pharmaceuticals, de High River en Alberta. "J'ai assiste aux deux derniers congres d'Apimondia, a Lausanne en Suisse, et a Anvers en Belgique," dit-il, "et j'ai ete reellement tres impressionne. Pour notre entreprise, il est primordial d'avoir des contacts avec les chercheurs et les apiculteurs, tant d'ici que d'outre-mer, et aucun lieu n'est plus propice qu'Apimondia. Avec les qualites d'organisateurs de l'equipe canadienne, notre congres sera encore plus spectaculaire que les precedents. Je suis enchante d'etre implique!" Tim Dadant, de Dadant & Sons d'Hamilton en Illinois, partage cet avis. La rencontre de Vancouver sera son premier congres d'Apimondia, un evenement qu'il attend avec enthousiasme apres avoir entendu son pere lui raconter ceux auxquels il a assiste. "Tout le monde se rejouit de voir revenir Apimondia en Amerique du Nord," dit-il. "Le continent nord-americain est notre marche premier, mais nous avons toujours avons ete interesses au marche mondial. Et j'ai hate de venir a Vancouver pour la premiere fois. On m'assure que c'est une ville splendide." Paul Belisle, P.D.G. de Bee Maid Honey, Manitoba et Alberta, nous fait part de sa reaction au sujet de Apimondia. "Nos administrateurs sont tres enthousiasmes par Apimondia'99 et ApiExpo. Nous croyons que nous pourrons faire connaitre notre entreprise aux apiculteurs du monde entier grace a ApiExpo. Nous aurons la chance de rencontrer personnellement nos clients actuels et potentiels." Pour information au sujet d 'ApiExpo'99, s'adresser a : Paul van Westendorp British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture & Food Abbotsford Agriculture Centre 1767 Angus Campbell Road Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada, V3G 2M3 Telephone: (604) 556-3129; Fax: (604) 556-3030 Adresse electronique: Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca Pour recevir information concernant l'inscription au congres, veuillez vous adressez a: Apimondia'99 c/o Venue West Conference Services #645 - 375 Water St. Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6 Fax: 1-604-681-2503 Adresse electronique:congress@venuewest.com Post electronique sur Apimondia'99: http://www.apimondia99.ca Die ApiExpo'99 wird den Apimondia Kongress aktiv begleiten Die Apimondia'99 begleitende ApiExpo, die Internationale Ausstellung und Handelsmesse von Imkerei-Bedarfsartikeln wird ebenso aufregend sein, wie alle anderen Aspekte des riesigen internationalen Kongresses, der fr den 12-18 September 1999 im Vancouver Trade and Convention Centre geplant ist. Unter den weissen Segeln der besten Kongresshalle der Westkste sind ber 6.000 m2 Ausstellungsfl„che mit wunderbarem natrlichen Licht, welches durch gl„serne, 50 m hohe Decken erzeugt wird, zusammen mit allen anderen Veranstaltungen und Erfrischungsr„umen verfgbar. Ger„umig, teppichbelegt und voll klimatisiert, wird die Ausstellunghalle allen, ob Aussteller oder Teilnehmer einen komfortablen Zugang zu allem was die Bienenzucht und Imkerei betrifft, bieten. "Wir haben Elemente der Apimondia, wie zum Beispiel die wissenschaftlichen Poster auf der selben Ebene wie die ApiExpo arrangiert", sagt der Koordinator der Messe Paul van Westendorp. "Mit der schnittlosen Verbindung von wissenschaftlichem Programm und Messe in einer sehr komfortablen Umgebung haben wir die ApiExpo zu einem aktiven und integrierten Teil des Kongressess gemacht." Ob Aussteller mit informativen Displays von Gruppen wie der "International Bee Research Association" und dem "US National Honey Board", oder die Displays von Artikeln die mit Bienen, Imkerei, Publikationen, Imkereibedarfsartikeln, Verarbeitung, Nahrungsmitteln, Getr„nken, Arzneimitteln und Kosmetika zu tun haben, alles ist vertreten. Schon jetzt haben die Organisatoren Nachfragen nach mehr Raum von frhen Registranten erhalten. "Wir haben unsere Ausstellergebhren mit Absicht niedrig gehalten, um allen Berufsimkern die Gelegenheit zur Austellung ihrer Waren zu geben," sagt van Westendorp. Einer der Ersten, der ein Interesse in Untersttzung der Apimondia bezeugte, war Willie Baumgartner von Medivet Pharmaceuticals, High River, Alberta, Canada. "Ich bin auf den beiden letzten Apimondia Kongressen, in der Schweiz und Belgien gewesen," sagte er, "und ich war sehr beeindruckt. Es ist sehr wichtig fr mich dass ich Kontakt zu Wissenschaftlern, Imkern und Bienenzchter habe und dafr gibt es keinen besseren Platz als die Apimondia. Das kanadische Treffen verspricht spektakul„r zu werden. Ich freue mich darauf, daran beteiligt zu sein." Paul Belisle, Praesident und Manager der Bee Maid Honey von Manitoba und Alberta, drckt seine Gedanken folgendermassen aus: "Unsere Direktoren sind sehr enthusiastisch ber die Apimondia'99 und die ApiExpo. Wir fhlen, dass wir unsere Organisation der Weltimkerei durch die ApiExpo pr„sentieren k”nnen. Es gibt uns die Gelegenheit unsere jetzigen und zuknftigen Kunden von "Angesicht zu Angesicht" zu treffen." Ein anderer Hauptsponsor, Tim Dadant von Dadant and Sons, Hamilton, Illinois, pflichtet ihm bei. Dies wird sein erster Apimondia Kongress sein, eine Erfahrung auf die er sich freut, nachdem sein Vater ihm von anderen Apimondia's die er besucht hat, erz„hlt hat. "Alle freuen sich darauf, dass die Apimondia wieder in Nordamerika ist," sagt er. "Hier ist unser eigentlicher Markt, aber wir sind auch am internationalen Markt interessiert. Ich freu mich auf meinen ersten Besuch in Vancouver, ich habe geh”rt, dass es eine wundersch”ne Stadt ist." Fr mehr und aktuelle Informationen besuchen Sie uns bitte im Internet: http://www.apimondia99.ca Fr Fragen ber die ApiExpo'99 wenden Sie sich bitte an Paul van Westendorp, BC Ministry of Agriculture & Food, Abbotsford Agriculture Centre, 1767 Angus Campbell Rd., Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada, V3G 2M3; Telefon: 604-556-3129; Fax: 604-556-3030; E-mail: Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca Fr Registrationsinformationen ber die Apimondia'99, wenden Sie sich bitte an Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6; fax: 604-681-2503; E-mail: congress@venuewest.com ApiExpo'99 Complementar  El Congreso De Apimondia'99 Varios aspectos de ApiExpo'99 seran de tanto inter‚s como los de Apimondia'99. Esta feria acompa¤ar  el Congreso de Apimondia que ser  llevado a cabo del 12 al 18 de Septiembre de 1999 en el Trade And Convention Centre de la ciudad de Vancouver. Bajo sus blancas y radiantes velas, el centro de exhibici¢n pose‚ mas de 6.000 metros cuadrados de espacio disponible con un techo transparente de 150 pies de altura e iluminaci¢n natural. Es amplio, alfombrado, climatizado y ofrecer  a todos los participantes un c¢modo acceso de lo mejor de la industria y ciencia de apicultura. "Hemos incluido en el mismo piso de ApiExpo, varios elementos de Apimondia como art¡culos y resultados cient¡ficos," comenta Paul Van Westendorp, coordinador de la exhibici¢n de ApiExpo'99. "Incorporando totalmente el programa cient¡fico con la feria comercial, en este incomparable espacio, hemos hecho que ApiExpo sea una parte totalmente integrada y activa del Congreso de Apimondia. Habr n publicaciones, muestras de equipos y aparatos, bebidas, productos de cosm‚ticos y farmac‚uticos, exhibiciones educacionales ofrecidas por grupos como los del International Bee Research Association y U.S. National Honey Bee y todo lo relacionado a la industria y ciencia de apicultura. Organizadores est n recibiendo solicitudes de los primeros matriculadores pora reservar espacios los cuales est n en demanda por otros participantes. "Hemos decidido mantener los precios lo m s bajo posible para fomentar la participaci¢n de las personas envueltas en el aspecto comercial de la industria," dice Van Westendorp. "Todos deberian de participar." "He estado en los dos £ltimos congresos de Apimondia que tomaron lugar en Suisa y B‚lgica. Me impresionaron bastante," ‚xplica Willie Baumgartner de Medivet Pharmaceutical de High River, Alberta, Canad  y unos de los primeros en demostrar inter‚s como patrocinador principal. "Para mi es sumamente importante tener acceso, sea cerca o de lejos, a miembros en la industria y en la comunidad cientifica y Apimondia ofrece la mejor oportunidad. Parece que la exposisi¢n Canadiense ser  expectacular. Estoy muy emocionado de participar en este acontecimiento." El presidente y gerente de la compa¤¡a Bee Maid Honey de Manitoba y Alberta, Paul Belisle, dijo que "nuestros directores estan entusiasmados con los eventos de Apimondia'99 y ApiExpo'99. Sentimos que podemos representar nuestra organizaci¢n a la industria internacional de apicultura a trav‚s de ApiExpo. Esto nos dar  la oportunidad de conocer cara a cara a una actual y potencial clientela. El se¤or Tim Dadant de la compa¤¡a Dadant And Sons en Hamilton, Illinois y tambi‚n patrosinador principal de Apimondia, concuerda que la feria de ApiExpo ser  un gran acontecimiento. Este ser  su primer congreso algo que espera con antisipaci¢n despu‚s de escuchar a su padre hablar de varios congresos de Apimondia. "Todos esperan con ansiedad de tener nuevamente el Congreso de Apimondia en Norte Am‚rica y aunque este es nuestro mercado, estamos tambi‚n interesados en el aspecto internacional. Me han comentado que Vancouver es una ciudad preciosa y tengo el deseo de visitarla por primera vez." Para m s informaci¢n sobre ApiExpo'99 contacte: Paul Van Westendorp British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture and Food Abbotsford Agriculture Centre 1767 Angus Campbell Road Abbotsford, British Columbia V3G 2M3, Canada Tel‚fono: 1-604-556-3129 Fax: 1-604-556-3030 Correo El‚ctronico: Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca Para recibir m s informaci¢n sobre Apimondia'99 contact‚nos a la siguiente direcci¢n: Apimondia'99 c/o Venue West Conference Services #645 - 375 Water Street Vancouver, British Columbia V6B 5C6, Canada Fax: 1-604-681-2503 Correo El‚ctronico: congress@venuewest.com http://www.apimondia'99.ca -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Fish" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Invaded By Bees - Help! Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:42:03 -0600 Organization: Fly by Night Enterprises Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6n3p8n$4k0$1@usenet50.supernews.com> X-Trace: 898984023 SUXYG65VN9352CEC4 usenet50.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13104 A herd of bees has decided that the wall of my mobile home is the perfect nesting site. Two questions: 1. If I just want to get rid of them (myself, without paying an exterminator), how can I do this cheaply (and safely) and with minimum equipment? (There are no listings for beekeeping or apiarists in my yellow pages.) I put a radio inside the house against their wall, but that doesn't seem to be making them leave. I'm thinking of removing the exterior metal panels after the sun goes down so they aren't so cozy, but I'm afraid they'll migrate around the corner. I have no smoker - could I roll up newspaper, light it, and put it out to use as a smudge or what? As a last resort, how could I trick them into self-drowning? (boo, hiss) 2. If I want to keep them, what is the bare minimum startup I would need? I know some terms ("super", "frame"), but I don't know enough to order equipment without talking to someone - or where in USA (S.W. Colorado) to order from. Thanks in advance - Mr. Fish's Wife Article 13105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Owners" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Flow in Michigan (Washtenaw County) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:45:01 -0400 Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.56k.ic.net Message-ID: <35957529.0@news.ic.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.ic.net!p4.a1.56k.ic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13105 Can someone tell me when the honey flow is supposed to begin? We have absolutely no honey in supers and, believe me, we have taken great care of these bees! They are busy filling up brood chambers, but I thought that some honey would have been stored by now. Thanks for the info. Maybe I'm just too impatient! Mark Article 13106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!news-incoming.cyberhighway.net!news.cyberhighway.net!not-for-mail From: "Jeff" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What makes bees go to bed? Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:52:58 -0600 Organization: CyberHighway Internet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6n40ma$a2t$1@news.cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.161.34.21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13106 I need to know conditions or time of night make bees go to and stay in there hive. The reson I ask is I apply pestacides by air around bees, both honey and leaf cutters. Thanks, Jeff Nyssa Air Service Article 13107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: oldbooks78@aol.com (Oldbooks78) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: 1920 Beekeeping Book Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1998062801331900.VAA12441@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1998 01:33:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13107 I currently have for sale a good+ copy of "American Honey Plants, Together with Those Which are of Special Value to the Beekeeper as Sources of Pollen", by Frank C. Pellett, published in 1920 by the American Bee Journal. The 297 page hardbound book is in good+ condition, clean with no page tears or pen marks other than previous owners names (2) inside the front cover, and crossed our property stamps from the U.S. Veterans Bureau inside the rear cover. Bent page corner in the margin of the frontis plate, doesn't effect the photo. Heavily illustrated throughout with photos. Moderate wear to the green cloth covers, including a few small white stains on the spine. Strong binding. Available for $25 plus $3 postage (within the US). If interested, please email to "Oldbooks78@aol.com" to reserve. Thanks, and best regards. Dave ============================================= For other old and interesting books, please visit our web site at: http://www.angelfire.com/va/oldbooks Article 13108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Galanized Honey Extractor Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998062803181800.XAA25316@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1998 03:18:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6n2mbd$c1v5@scotty.tinet.ie> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13108 In the bee catalogs is a paint made for extractors called CAM KOTE or similar spelling. It is an epoxy to seal the metal. Article 13109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What makes bees go to bed? Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:32:34 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 69 Message-ID: <6n4dgj$tm6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6n40ma$a2t$1@news.cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.205 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jun 28 03:32:34 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13109 In article <6n40ma$a2t$1@news.cyberhighway.net>, "Jeff" wrote: > > I need to know conditions or time of night make bees go to and stay in there > hive. The reson I ask is I apply pestacides by air around bees, both honey > and leaf cutters. > > Thanks, > Jeff > Nyssa Air Service Hello fellow pilot! Thanks for taking the time to ask about our favourite insect. Naturally beekeepers tend to be pretty sensitive about insecticides. We're glad you want to understand bees. There are no simple answers to your questions and I'm guessing you don't want to have to touch down and take a stroll in a field to see if the bees are out or not. That is the truest test, however, I imagine you'd like to know before you load your tanks, so I'll try to give you some general pointers. One warning though: The behaviour of bees -- including bedtime -- will change with the season, the weather and also the presence of flowers. The best guide would be to get yourself a hive of bees (a fascinating and profitable hobby) and look at it before you go up. Maybe someone nearby has bees and you could look at them, but failing that here are some guidelines: Bees need five times the light of full moon to navigate. That means they will not be flying around at night or at dusk and dawn, they are likely at home and you won't do much harm if you don't get too close to the hive, but they may be sitting outside on the porch relaxing after a day of hard work on a warm evening and be injured by a whiff of toxin if there is much drift. Bees don't go out much below 55 degrees F. Bees don't fly in the rain. Bees stay home if there are high winds. (So do most smart flyers). Water carriers go out any time after dawn and continue pretty well until dusk, but they will not be in a crop unless the water source is there. Nectar and pollen gatherers generally are later risers. When they go out depends on the crop. If the crop secretes nectar early, they will be there early if it is warm enough to fly (55 degrees or more). They tend to fly until close to dusk unless the crop runs out of nectar. Hot weather will shut off nectar early. Sometimes. If it is full daylight and above 55 degrees and not raining, chances are that bees will be where ever there are flowers, whether the flowers are weeds in the crop -- or the very crop you are worried about. So, I guess your best bet -- if you are considering a flowering crop -- and the label permits -- is to choose a time around dawn when the temperature is low. Of course this is not always possible. The other solution used around here is to wait until the crop finishes blooming and get the pest then. Again not always possible. I know Dave is an expert on this, having been sprayed in every conceivable way, with every possible chemical, so maybe he will jump in here and say something too. I'm sure there must be a few more clues than I offer here. Thanks again for caring. Allen -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Flow in Michigan (Washtenaw County) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:49:13 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6n4efp$uo2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35957529.0@news.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.38 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jun 28 03:49:13 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13110 In article <35957529.0@news.ic.net>, "Owners" wrote: > > Can someone tell me when the honey flow is supposed to begin? > > We have absolutely no honey in supers and, believe me, we have taken great > care of these bees! > > They are busy filling up brood chambers, but I thought that some honey would > have been stored by now. > > Thanks for the info. Maybe I'm just too impatient! Mark, IF your bees are at honey storing strength I am surprised they aren't storing honey now. I live in Lenawee County and I had overwintered bees putting honey in supers over excluders in May and they are still working at putting more in - some have filled and capped the best part of 2 mediums. Have not had a decent flow but a trickle virtually all the time since Locust. Clover (several kinds) is in bloom here now. I am told that Basswood is in bloom in some areas of MI as well. Often though the best part of the flow comes in July but with everything early this year perhaps this trickle flow is it (let's hope not). With that said be advised that even a couple miles can make a HUGE difference in flow conditions some years here in MI - if you are in your first year perhaps you are in a nice buildup location that ain't got much Summer flow potential - but perhaps again the flow is about to bust loose - you will likely just have to wait and see - and ya just won't know what is normal for several years. My one question for you would be - do you have HONEYbees or broodbees?? There are differences between strains. Jack Griffes Honeybee Improvement Program Onsted, MI http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What makes bees go to bed? Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:17:20 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 52 Message-ID: <6n4g4f$13u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6n40ma$a2t$1@news.cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.38 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jun 28 04:17:20 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13111 In article <6n40ma$a2t$1@news.cyberhighway.net>, "Jeff" wrote: > > I need to know conditions or time of night make bees go to and stay in there > hive. The reson I ask is I apply pestacides by air around bees, both honey > and leaf cutters. > > Thanks, > Jeff > Nyssa Air Service Howdy Jeff, First of all thank you for being concerned enough to ask. You may well be aware that many pesticides have bee safety labeling which you must comply with as an applicator. Even without such regulations it would be extremely foolish to kill off pollinating insects upon which we all depend for the viability of many of our food crops. I cannot address the question relative to leafcutter bees having no experience with them. But honeybees come in and stay in under basically 4 different conditions. One is high wind (when you would not be applying pesticide anyway). A second is during rain (again when you would not be applying pesticide). A third condition is when it is quite chilly as per under 45 degrees Fahrenheit (exact temp varies between strains of honeybees - some fly in colder weather than others) - and again you ain't likely to be applying pesticide under chilly conditions. The fourth condition which brings bees home to stay is approaching darkness (as they can't fly without light) - thus the safest time to apply bee safe pesticides is dusk - this gives the greatest chance that most of the bees are in their hives - often it is calm then which reduces pesticide drift (which can be a half mile problem with aerial application) - and the spray has time to work on the target pest all night and have the toxicity reduced by EARLY morning when the honeybees are back at work again. Another thing to remember is NOT to spray anything while in bloom - this includes weeds (and even corn that has tasselled and silked out) - get the farmer to mow down anything in bloom before pesticide application is made. Very likely our resident Pollination expert, Dave Green, will also reply and will expound on things more. Be kind to honeybees - every third bite you eat is dependent on honeybee pollination, Jack Griffes Honeybee Improvement Program Onsted, MI http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 12 ounce polytubs Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:39:18 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6n2mbb$c1v4@scotty.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: p56.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13112 Thorne's of Wragby ( England) used to supply a12 oz honey container which they called a "polytub". They have discontinued the sale of these. Does anyone know of another supplier in Britain or Ireland Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie Article 13113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Galanized Honey Extractor Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:47:29 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6n2mbd$c1v5@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <6n0iaf$2bt@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <3593cf4b.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p56.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13113 Jaf wrote in message <3593cf4b.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... >Galvan is zinc, so it should be ok, at least by my GCSE chemistry O level. Galvanising is a coating of zinc over iron to protect from corrosion, if the zinc coating is damaged the iron will corrode. Also you would want to check the jointing material for the seams if this is solder then lead is present. after that it would depend on how long you keep the honey in contact with the extractor as to the amount of lead which could leach out from the joints. I wouldn't worry too much about it as the area of joint exposed would be very small, provided that the extractor was emptied frequently during extraction. Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie Article 13114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!smartdna!nntp.smartdna.com!not-for-mail From: HNEWTON@TSTAR.NET Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: blueprints Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:55:34 GMT Organization: SMART Technologies, Inc. Lines: 1 Message-ID: <3595cc58.287356505@news.tstar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: diala-07.tstar.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13114 Can anyone help me find a blueprint of bee hives so I can make my own? Article 13115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Buzzin" Subject: Re: Invaded By Bees - Help! Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6n3p8n$4k0$1@usenet50.supernews.com> Organization: Preferred Company Message-ID: <01bda227$6ba2d660$d8558cce@gdi2364> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.140.85.216 Date: 28 Jun 98 05:17:07 GMT Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.1.51!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.ctlnet.com!206.140.85.216 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13115 I raised honeybees for 12 years and have been involved with managing mobile home parks for 36 years, one of those parks is now approaching 650 units. I have never seen anything but bumble bees and yellowjackets in any of the homes. You may have yellowjackets (a member of the wasp family). If the wings are colored, the body hairless and the head or body has any yellow on it then they are yellowjackets. We normally put powdered Sevin in the entrance at night (hardware stores carry it for insect control for the garden) once a week for three weeks to kill them. If it is honeybees, get a local beekeeper to remove them - the bees can get awful mad when you cut the combs out of a wall (no place for a beginner to get started). Good luck. Article 13116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.170.121.3!falcon!eagle.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "martin Giblin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6n40ma$a2t$1@news.cyberhighway.net> Subject: Re: What makes bees go to bed? Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 07:00:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.218.96.184 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:00:49 EDT Organization: 24hoursupport.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13116 Jeff, Thanks for caring. Back in the early 80's I was involed with the USAF aerial spraying for mositoes and Japanese beatles. We sprays Sevin for the jap beatles and restricted to the air base proper and had very little problem even with a couple of hives within a 1/2 mile of the spray area. We were using Dibrom for the mositoes and always notified local beekeepers in advance. The trick was to get the bees to think it was raining by either using a sprinker hose or if a remote hive a five gal bucket with a small hole in the bottom , set on the top of the hive to drip on the bottom board. Spraying was mostly done just before sunset or if worst came to worst at sunrise, but I don't remember if this was because of the wind or if it was because of the bees or both. hope this helps Jeff wrote in message <6n40ma$a2t$1@news.cyberhighway.net>... >I need to know conditions or time of night make bees go to and stay in there >hive. The reson I ask is I apply pestacides by air around bees, both honey >and leaf cutters. > >Thanks, >Jeff >Nyssa Air Service > > Article 13117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!news.telemedia.ch!tisdial02.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Galanized Honey Extractor Date: 28 Jun 98 13:08:50 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bda295$589aaac0$c380a19d@default> References: <6n0iaf$2bt@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13117 RANDY REITH schrieb im Beitrag <6n0iaf$2bt@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... > I just bought a galvanized steel honey extractor real cheap. I've just been > told that I shouldn't use it because it will contaminate the honey with > traces of lead. Is this true? Is it galvanized, i.e., coated with zink, or is it tinned, i.e., coated with tin? If it is tinned it is OK for honey extraction provided the tin layer is intact and there are no steel or rust spots and there is no soldering with a lead-containing soldering metal inside. Older equipment was made of tinned sheet iron and, if well maintained, may still be used. Modern equipment is made either of inox steel, aluminum, or food grade plastic. If it is galvanized it should not be in contact with honey for any longer period since the organic acids contained in honey attack zink. francis Article 13118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.dn.net!not-for-mail From: Arielle Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEEHIVE REMOVAL Date: 28 Jun 1998 18:28:50 GMT Organization: none Lines: 1 Message-ID: <6n6212$9ok$1@news.dn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.sciencedaily.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: AspNNTP (ScienceDaily Magazine) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13118 Anyone, everyone, please send me info on how to remove a bee hive from our front yard tree. Thanks you so very very much! Write ASAP! Arielle arize@juno.com Article 13119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: The Rehrauers Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:11:49 -0400 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3596A385.790F51DA@ma.ultranet.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d9.dial-1.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 28 Jun 1998 20:20:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8255 rec.gardens:268473 rec.gardens.edible:12157 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13119 sci.agriculture.fruit:1973 Elizabeth Whitaker wrote: > Next Spring, buy a few anise hyssop plants. I've had some of these get > to 5 1/2 feet. I've seen them attract a variety of bees, wasps, moths > and butterflies. Amen to their pollinator-attracting powers! Mine sound like little powerplants, from the steady drone of visitors. But do be aware that they can be aggressive self-seeders. I have them at the margins of my USDA Zone 5 vegetable garden and figure the benefits outweigh the need to weed out the steady stream of "volunteers". Judicious tolerance of "weeds" can also be a good thing. Common milkweed is a big "draw" in my garden, especially of honeybees, in mid-summer. Goldenrod draws 'em in later in the year. And I didn't have to pay a dime for 'em. :-) --Steve Article 13120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail From: Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> Message-ID: <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Lines: 12 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:15:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.230.8.64 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:15:17 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8259 rec.gardens:268493 rec.gardens.edible:12167 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13120 sci.agriculture.fruit:1974 In my garden the catmint always is surrounded with bees and it doesn't become a nuisance. -- > >>Brad Faber wrote: > >>> Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a > >>> home garden? Article 13121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tenx@sugar-river.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie's been watching Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:50:14 GMT Message-ID: <3596e339.6995472@news.sugar-river.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.183.143.230 X-Trace: 28 Jun 1998 20:51:11 -0500, 206.183.143.230 Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.156.97.247!news.destek.net!206.183.143.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13121 Hello to all in the group. I've subscribed to the group, and have been reading all of the posts for about the last month. I thought I would like to try my hand at beekeeping. I think it is a little late in the season, especially in my locale to begin this year. Although this gives me ample time to prepare for next season. Just letting you folks know there's another prospective hobbyist out here. Thanks for all the info so far. Any more of course will be appreciated. Eric Claremont, NH Article 13122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FAQs and how to have them answered Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 07:57:20 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <17F806FE3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <1998061712215175982@zetnet.co.uk> <6m89eg$8bi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <358e386c.2780894@192.168.0.1> <35920939.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13122 In article <35920939.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> "Kidney John (not Jaf)" writes: > >I have made 4 attempts to subscribe to Bee-L, but recieve 'failed' messages >every time. I am following the instructions! Help! >-- > jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk >"Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" > > I'm not sure of the cause of your problem, but I suspect it may have something to do with the spam filters you have built into your E-Mail address (unless "nilspam" is truly a legitimate part of your E-addr, in which case I'm totally clueless - some will say that's norman for me). Follow the instructions below and copy me (sysam@cnsibm.albany.edu) and I will receive better clues to help with these problems. To subscribe to BEE-L send a single line of mail to: LISTSERV@cnsibm.albany.edu that reads: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L your name Sincerely, Aaron Morris BEE-L Owner/Editor Article 13123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie's been watching Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:25:52 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6n74t6$7pu@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <3596e339.6995472@news.sugar-river.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.80.132 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13123 Eric, Welcome to the newsgroup. Now is a good time to find out about bees. There should be some fairs coming up in your area that will have bee booths with folks that are glad to tell you all about our little friends. Also there may be some classes in the spring that would give you a good start. If you have an apiary store check them out - look in the yellow pages. Bees are a great hobby and the honey is so good. Good Luck Pete tenx@sugar-river.net wrote in message <3596e339.6995472@news.sugar-river.net>... >Hello to all in the group. I've subscribed to the group, and have >been reading all of the posts for about the last month. I thought I >would like to try my hand at beekeeping. I think it is a little late >in the season, especially in my locale to begin this year. Although >this gives me ample time to prepare for next season. > >Just letting you folks know there's another prospective hobbyist out >here. > >Thanks for all the info so far. Any more of course will be >appreciated. > >Eric >Claremont, NH Article 13124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nntp.upenn.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.giganews.com!korova.insync.net!solomon.io.com!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!apache.utdallas.edu!biggary From: Gary Cooper Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:11:58 -0500 Organization: The University of Texas at Dallas Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.utdallas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8262 rec.gardens:268549 rec.gardens.edible:12191 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13124 sci.agriculture.fruit:1976 On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 fbates@capecod.net wrote: > In my garden the catmint always is surrounded with bees and it doesn't > become a nuisance. > -- Is it also surrounded with cats? My understanding was that catmint is sort of a milder form of catnip, in its cat-attracting power. Gary Article 13125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "jaf" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:18:19 +0100 Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-176.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-176.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8263 rec.gardens:268561 rec.gardens.edible:12207 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13125 sci.agriculture.fruit:1977 > > > >> >>Brad Faber wrote: > >> >>> Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators >to a >> >>> home garden? > Contact a 'Wildflower' seed merchant, and specify you want nectar producing plants; they will usually have a 'butterfly' mix which shoould be ideal. My current UK recommendation is Landlife, E-mail Address: info@landlife.u-net.com url: http://www.merseyworld.com/landlife/wfseed.html though this is no use to US readers. (There should be plenty of similar companies in US, may even be some relevant links at the above url.......). Only buy native seed, and try to buy as much of any especially rare seed as you can, and do the planet a favour! Good Luck! -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale (Derbyshire) photos (c.30) "668, the Neighbour of the Beast" Article 13126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "jaf" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3596e339.6995472@news.sugar-river.net> <6n74t6$7pu@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Newbie's been watching Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:28:18 +0100 Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-176.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35975f50.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-176.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13126 . >Bees are a great hobby and the honey is so good. >Good Luck Pete They're more than a hobby, they're family! Try honey in your coffee, porridge, wherever sugar is required in cooking. Put it on cuts to speed healing, and reduce scarring. It may even help clear up 'zits'. Use the wax for polish, candles, and skin creams. Royal Jelly is said to be a good 'health' product. Propolis is an antibiotic. It is said that a piece of propolis chewed can induce a slight feeling of 'euophoria'. Pollen, can be collected, and sprinkled on your breakfast cereal, for a little extra protein, and a possible protection from 'hay fever'. The bees sting/venom is believed to be an aid for sufferers of arthritis, rheumatics, and other 'medical' problems. Then, it is even more relaxing than an aquarium, to simply watch the bees, going about their business; it's 'nice' to be with them........ In short, there are so many benefits to be had from bees and beekeeping, I can't believe that anybody would want to NOT have a beehive, at least one, in their garden! Go for it! -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) "668, the Neighbour of the Beast" Article 13127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: blueprints Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:51:51 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 12 Message-ID: <35978DE7.38F4@nt.com> References: <3595cc58.287356505@news.tstar.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13127 HNEWTON@TSTAR.NET wrote: > > Can anyone help me find a blueprint of bee hives so I can make my own? Try the BBKA at http://www.bbka.demon.co.uk/salelist.htm The plans are 75 UK pence each, that's just over 1$US -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 13128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Galanized Honey Extractor Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:04:48 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 23 Message-ID: <359790F0.2221@nt.com> References: <6n0iaf$2bt@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13128 RANDY REITH wrote: > > I just bought a galvanized steel honey extractor real cheap. I've just been > told that I shouldn't use it because it will contaminate the honey with > traces of lead. Is this true? > > Concerned, > > Randy In the UK if you sell honey the extractor used MUST be made from stainless steel or food grade polythene/plastic. This is part of the food preparation regulations. You are unlikely to br found out if you continue with tin plate extractors but it is a risk and you must decide whether you want to take or not. OTOH if you use the honey yourself or give it away to freinds the there is no problem just empty the extractor often so that the honey can't pick up too much contamination. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 13129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Onstad" Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Organization: PRIORI Systems Message-ID: <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:06:49 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust135.tnt1.msp1.da.uu.net [153.35.193.135] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.143.79!upnetnews03!upnetnews05 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8264 rec.gardens:268575 rec.gardens.edible:12210 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13129 sci.agriculture.fruit:1978 > >>Brad Faber wrote: > >>Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other > >>pollinators to a home garden? Just make them comfortable in your area. In early season there won't be much in the garden to attract them but if you have lawn clover, don't mow selected areas while it's blooming. I was seeing a lot of bees going after the clover so left some while the clover flowers were at their best. Now, blooms have formed in the garden and I'm seeing that the bees have headed over that way. -Paul Article 13130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!delos!server1.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!cjb23 From: cjb23@cus.cam.ac.uk (Dr C.J. Browning) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Taking bees to the heather (UK) Date: 29 Jun 1998 06:24:59 GMT Organization: University of Cambridge, England Message-ID: <6n7bvr$aia$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk Lines: 1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13130 I am considering the possibility of taking my (four) colonies to the heather later this year. As I live in East Anglia, I shall have to go a long way! Has anyone any experience of this and in particular, how does one go about finding a site? Article 13131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.vanderbilt.edu!news From: Marshall Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re-post : Questions about feeding. Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:19:19 -0500 Organization: Vanderbilt University, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3597BE87.1E32ECE4@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: d009109.n1.vanderbilt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13131 This message was posted 28 June; however, It did not appear on my group. Recently, I was able to trap a colony out of an old house and was lucky enough to have them take up residence in a hive box. They have been re-queened ( 2 weeks ago). Yesterday, I saw the queen. This colony lives on the Cumberland Plateau in middle Tennessee. Should I be feeding the colony? if so, what? I have been putting sugar water in the feeder, is this OK? Should it continue? What about feeding pollen supplements? Would pollen help the colony? if so, where can I purchase pollen. For curiousity, I plan to open the wall where the colony previously resided. Should I try to feed the colony some of there own honey? if so, how? Thanks for the help!!!!!!!!! Peace, Marshall Article 13132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: neilevid@outerbounds.net (Evid) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thanks - PS, real address Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:10:07 GMT Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3597ad56.1027591@news.supernews.com> References: <6n3p8n$4k0$1@usenet50.supernews.com> <01bda227$6ba2d660$d8558cce@gdi2364> X-Trace: 899133404 SUXYG65VN9338CEC4 usenet48.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13132 Thanks, Buzzin - I captured one to look at. Unfortunately, it's apparently really bees - they are furry, about 3/4-1 inch long. The wings may be faintly brownish but are otherwise clear. Which brings me back to my origiinal problem of not being able to find any yellow-page listings for bees at all. Any suggestions? Or anyone know a beekeeper in SW Colorado or the 4 corners area? P.S. My original post was on someone else's account - this is my real reply address. On 28 Jun 98 05:17:07 GMT, "Buzzin" wrote: > > I raised honeybees for 12 years and have been involved with managing >mobile home parks for 36 years, one of those parks is now approaching 650 >units. I have never seen anything but bumble bees and yellowjackets in any >of the homes. You may have yellowjackets (a member of the wasp family). >If the wings are colored, the body hairless and the head or body has any >yellow on it then they are yellowjackets. We normally put powdered Sevin >in the entrance at night (hardware stores carry it for insect control for >the garden) once a week for three weeks to kill them. > If it is honeybees, get a local beekeeper to remove them - the bees can >get awful mad when you cut the combs out of a wall (no place for a beginner >to get started). >Good luck. Article 13133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: waterop@usit.net (Elizabeth Eck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEEHIVE REMOVAL Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:52:47 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3597c63f.2218805@news.usit.net> References: <6n6212$9ok$1@news.dn.net> Reply-To: waterop@usit.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup37.tnlaw.usit.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13133 On 28 Jun 1998 18:28:50 GMT, Arielle wrote: >Anyone, everyone, please send me info on how to remove a bee hive from our front yard tree. Thanks you so very very much! Write ASAP! Arielle arize@juno.com Call a local beekeeper. Article 13134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEEHIVE REMOVAL Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:58:51 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3597D5DA.B280C237@bigfoot.com> References: <6n6212$9ok$1@news.dn.net> <3597c63f.2218805@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.56 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 899144201 EDOBMGQ.FB038D018C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13134 I assume you mean a swarm of bees. If you dont want them. Call the local Fire dept or Police station and ask if they know a Beekeper that wants them. If not and there just on a tree or bush, they will leave in a few days. Just make sure they dont take up residence in your house. If you want to make your owne hive That gets more enveloved. Where do you live? Larry Elizabeth Eck wrote: > On 28 Jun 1998 18:28:50 GMT, Arielle wrote: > > >Anyone, everyone, please send me info on how to remove a bee hive from > our front yard tree. Thanks you so very very much! > > Write ASAP! > > Arielle > arize@juno.com > > Call a local beekeeper. -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "Barbara Warner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Y2K bug and bees? Info request Lines: 38 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:17:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ts47-08.ott.istar.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:17:19 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13135 Hi, I've already checked the bee keeping FAQs, but haven't had any luck so I thought I'd venture out of "lurk mode" and post here. I'm trying to find out how automated/computerized bee keeping is, as part of my research on the Y2K computer bug and its effects on agriculture. So, perhaps someone out there can answer a question or two: Do bee keepers use computerized equipment in their operations? Are they fairly reliant on this equipment? Is there a similar use of computerized equipment in 'honey-making"? (Or are bee keeping and honey production considered the same thing?) The reason I ask is fairly simple: Anything with a computer chip is "at risk" to fail or misfunction at the Year 2000, because of the Year 2000 computer bug. Older computer chips and computers (in anything - not just personal computers and mainframes) usually use two digit dates; reading "98" = "1998", "99" = "1999" and --here's the problem-- "00" = "1900" not "2000". If chips which use two digit dates are not fixed or replaced, they *will* misfunction or simply stop operating at the 'roll over' to the year 2000. At the Canadian Federation of AGriculture, we're addressing the problem in a couple of ways -- through a printed, general "how to" booklet, and more specific Internet materials. I'm trying to figure out how bee keeping fits in - whether it's a fairly low-tech field, such as cattle production (in which case the main concern is the producers' home/office computer system), or more high tech, like poultry production (in which case the producers need to check out their automated ventilation, watering, and feeding equipment). Responses here or to my email address are welcome: bewarner@istar.ca Thanks in advance for your help! Barbara Warner, Y2K Project Co-ordinator Canadian Federation of Agriculture Federation canadienne de l'agriculture www.cfa-fca.ca --Only 551 days until the year 2000: Will you be ready?-- Article 13136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Taking bees to the heather (UK) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:25:23 +0100 Message-ID: <1998062919252375982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <6n7bvr$aia$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 42 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13136 The message <6n7bvr$aia$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> from cjb23@cus.cam.ac.uk (Dr C.J. Browning) contains these words: > I am considering the possibility of taking my (four) colonies to the heather later this year. As I live in >East Anglia, I shall have to go a long way! Has anyone any experience of this and in particular, how >does one go about finding a site? Living in the Northern Highlands of Scotland, we are a bit spoilt for heather (but not the weather ). You don't say whereabouts in East Anglia you are, so my best advice would be to contact the local County Naturalists Trust (they should be listed in the phone directory, failing that your local library should know). You will probably find that there are beekeepers amongsts the Trusts members (I know that this is so in Northamptonshire and Cambridgeshire) who will be able to help. Three important things to bear in mind:- * Always enlist the help of the landowner (a gift of honey usually does the trick) * Place the hives out of sight of the general public (little boys like to throw stones at hives), but close to vehicle access. * Put up a sheep netting fence around the hives (cows, horses and deer all like to rub themselves against the sharp corners) Get a couple of old railway sleepers for a stand, 4 hives should fit nicely and you can hammer in large staples to attach straps for greater security, Hope this helps, Phil. Article 13137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Death of Rats" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6n7bvr$aia$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Taking bees to the heather (UK) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:56:48 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-163.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3597e3a9.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-163.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13137 Dr C.J. Browning wrote in message <6n7bvr$aia$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>... >I am considering the possibility of taking my (four) colonies to the heather later this year. As I live in East Anglia, I shall have to go a long way! Has anyone any experience of this and in particular, how does one go about finding a site? Your local library should have contact details for the local beekeeping assoc., who will have contacts re. heather. They may even have mass transport arranged, and be willing to let you in on it, for a share of the expense. I (and a friend) tried this once, with the Lincs. assoc., and it was well worth it, with only a single hive, with 6 supers, which were all filled! -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) "668, the Neighbour of the Beast" Article 13138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.174.5.49!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!hird From: hird@fc.hp.com (Steve Hird) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Keep losing queens Date: 29 Jun 1998 20:34:33 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6n8top$sqs@fcnews.fc.hp.com> Reply-To: hird-at-lvld.hp.com please replace -at- with @ NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.fc.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.10] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13138 I am in my second year of bee keeping. Last year my bees died because the queen disappeared and a laying worker took her place. This year I have two hives one doing great and the other not great. One hive lost it's queen and replaced her, I know because the queen with the blue dot was gone and un-dotted queen was in the hive, also saw the queen cells. This new queen never layed eggs and she is missing. I dont believe they swarmed because most of the workers are still in the hive. I have order a new queen. I cant figure why I keep losing queens. I receive the queens with clipped wings and my hive sits a couple inches off the ground. Do queens ever try to leave the hive and then realize they cant fly, fall to the ground and then cant get back to the hive? I dont have an entrance ramp. Maybe I accidently crush her when I inspect. How can I be sure that when I replace the queen that the old queen is gone. I can imagine that I might miss her when inspecting. Is the fact that there are no eggs in the cells a real good indication? On last question, the hive seems to have a moderate supply of workers about as many as the three pound package I started with, should I add brood from my thriving hive? I any could help I would appreciate it as my new queen arrives tomorrow (6/30). thanks in advance. Steve Hird My e-mail is hird-at-lvld.hp.com with the -at- replace with @ Article 13139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie's been watching Lines: 40 Message-ID: <1998062911332100.HAA13124@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jun 1998 11:33:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3596e339.6995472@news.sugar-river.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13139 From: tenx@sugar-river.net (From: tenx@sugar-river.net) <> Welcome to the group. You'll find lots of helpful folks here. Occasionally you'll get some controversy, usually with good sportsmanship. Your beehives will help give you the best garden you ever had. It will be the end of blossom drop, poor knotty and curled cucumbers, white seeded melons that aren't sweet, and lots of other pollination problems. Plus you'll get the best sweetener ever invented. The Bible indicates a wide variety of permissable foods, but honey is the only one we are *told* to eat, which I think is significant. The pollens and enzymes in the honey must have a good effect in our bodies. Of course we are also told not to eat too much...... The prophet Isaiah said the coming Messiah's diet would be "curds and honey," and John the Baptist lived on "locusts and honey." It's interesting to run a Bible search for references to honey....... Check out the pollination page below for pollination info. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!cjb23 From: cjb23@cus.cam.ac.uk (Dr C.J. Browning) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving bees short distances Date: 29 Jun 1998 22:28:49 GMT Organization: University of Cambridge, England Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6n94f1$ksb$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13140 There was some correspondence in this group a while ago about moving bees short distances. Two methods were suggested - putting a large board in front of the hive entrance so that the bees have to fly out in a different direction and hence, hopefully, re-orientate, and going during the night to the old site, collecting boxfuls of 'lost' bees and re-taking them to their new site again. Having recently had to move four hives a half-mile or so, I would like you all to know that BOTH THESE METHODS FAIL. The board does not seem to make any significant difference, and one can collect boxfuls of bees night after night after night and they STILL go back. What's more, the lost bees are terribly bad-tempered during the day and the old site becomes unuseable for any purpose at all. I now firmly believe the 'THREE FEET OR THREE MILES' rule. Article 13141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving bees short distances Date: 29 Jun 1998 23:17:28 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6n97a8$3j@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6n94f1$ksb$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.40 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13141 My understanding was that the board or other obstacle in front of the hive was when using the 3 feet rule and not as a way around "3 feet or 3 miles". This past spring I moved 2 hives about 30 feet 3 feet at a time. With one I used an obstacle and the other nothing. I found no difference when using an obstacle. They were so well ingrained that even 3 feet confused them and they flew around aimlessly looking for their home, but at 3 feet they did "find" it as the light diminishes and the temp starts to drop. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Dr C.J. Browning wrote in article <6n94f1$ksb$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>... > There was some correspondence in this group a while ago about moving bees short distances. > Two > methods were suggested - putting a large board in front of the hive entrance so that the bees have to fly > out in a different direction and hence, hopefully, re-orientate, and going during the night to the old site, > collecting boxfuls of 'lost' bees and re-taking them to their new site again. > > Having recently had to move four hives a half-mile or so, I would like you all to know that BOTH > THESE METHODS FAIL. The board does not seem to make any significant difference, and one can > collect boxfuls of bees night after night after night and they STILL go back. > What's more, the lost > bees are terribly bad-tempered during the day and the old site becomes unuseable for any purpose at all. > > I now firmly believe the 'THREE FEET OR THREE MILES' rule. > Article 13142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving bees short distances Date: 29 Jun 1998 23:17:27 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6n97a7$3j@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6n94f1$ksb$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.40 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13142 My understanding was that the board or other obstacle in front of the hive was when using the 3 feet rule and not as a way around "3 feet or 3 miles". This past spring I moved 2 hives about 30 feet 3 feet at a time. With one I used an obstacle and the other nothing. I found no difference when using an obstacle. They were so well ingrained that even 3 feet confused them and they flew around aimlessly looking for their home, but at 3 feet they did "find" it as the light diminishes and the temp starts to drop. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Dr C.J. Browning wrote in article <6n94f1$ksb$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>... > There was some correspondence in this group a while ago about moving bees short distances. > Two > methods were suggested - putting a large board in front of the hive entrance so that the bees have to fly > out in a different direction and hence, hopefully, re-orientate, and going during the night to the old site, > collecting boxfuls of 'lost' bees and re-taking them to their new site again. > > Having recently had to move four hives a half-mile or so, I would like you all to know that BOTH > THESE METHODS FAIL. The board does not seem to make any significant difference, and one can > collect boxfuls of bees night after night after night and they STILL go back. > What's more, the lost > bees are terribly bad-tempered during the day and the old site becomes unuseable for any purpose at all. > > I now firmly believe the 'THREE FEET OR THREE MILES' rule. > Article 13143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keep losing queens Date: 29 Jun 1998 23:04:38 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 108 Message-ID: <6n96i6$3j@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6n8top$sqs@fcnews.fc.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.40 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13143 Steve Hird wrote in article <6n8top$sqs@fcnews.fc.hp.com>... > > > I am in my second year of bee keeping. Last year my bees died > because the queen disappeared and a laying worker took her place. > This year I have two hives one doing great and the other not great. > One hive lost it's queen and replaced her, I know because > the queen with the blue dot was gone and un-dotted queen was in the hive, > also saw the queen cells. This is not uncommon. However i doubt if she was "lost". Most likely they superceded her. As you have experienced, being able to tell when your queen has changed is a huge benefit of marking her. > This new queen never layed eggs and she is missing. How long ago did she emerge? What has the weather been like? Could be that she has not yet mated or has mated and not yet begun laying. Can your provide any more info as to timing? > I dont believe they swarmed because most of the workers are still in the hive. A swarm is unlikely with a package. > I have order a new queen. > I cant figure why I keep losing queens. I receive the queens with clipped Supercedure is tricky. What appears to the beekeeper as a queen with all the desired traits will be replaced for reasons we can't fully understand. > wings and my hive sits a couple inches off the ground. Do queens ever try to > leave the hive and then realize they cant fly, fall to the ground and then cant > get back to the hive? I dont have an entrance ramp. She could wander off during an inspection if she was on the inner cover or someting and you set it in the grass but I don't think she would just go for a walk. > Maybe I accidently crush her when I inspect. Possible, but it doesn't sound like that is the case this time. > How can I be sure that when I replace the queen that the old queen > is gone. I can imagine that I might miss her when inspecting. Is the If she is still there and you have just missed her, your new quenn is as good as dead if you try to introduce her. > fact that there are no eggs in the cells a real good indication? No, for the reasons stated above. > On last question, the hive seems to have a moderate supply of workers > about as many as the three pound package I started with, should I add brood > from my thriving hive? You probably could have saved a little money since you have 2 hives. You could have used a frame of eggs, larva, and bees to give to your suspected queenless colony. If they build queen cells on this frame then you are pretty certain that the colony was queenless. Let them raise a new queen and save your money. I realize that this is an area of debate but I have found these queens to be better suited to my local conditions than those from a breeder. It is also highly probable that if the colony is queenright and you just missed the queen, she can probably be found on this frame frantically searching for the source of the rival pheremones shortly after the frame is introduced. Of course, you need to locate the queen in the donor colony so you are certain you are not transferring her. If you can transfer a comb of brood and bees to the weak hive, do it in the afternoon when all of the foragers are out. This will mean that the frame will contain mostly young nurse bees that will be readily accepted by the colony. > I any could help I would appreciate it as my new queen arrives > tomorrow (6/30). One of the numerous resources for some requeening tips on the net is at: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/html/queen_intro.html Be sure to feed to simulate a good flow when introducing a queen. Also realize that she too may be superceded and don't take it personally. > thanks in advance. > > Steve Hird > > My e-mail is hird-at-lvld.hp.com with the -at- replace with @ > > > Hope this is of some help and let us know what the outcome is. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Article 13144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: TiPnRiNg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm catching 101,,,after the fact.... Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:48:51 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 31 Message-ID: <359835F2.845D32EA@midtown.notanks.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.63 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 899168112 38BMS018M653FCDA2C usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13144 Open invitation for a berating or two. Here's what I did,,,how could I have done it better or easier? Got a call from a frantic landlord, (where the company I work for rents some rooftop for communication stuff), saying there are bees everywhere buzzing his tenants and they seem to be going in and out of a hole that we made in his building. (the hole was OK just not the bees) Upon arrival,,sure enough,,, he had a full fledged hive in the parapet up on the roof. So basically, this hive is in a wall. I was able to cut a section out of one side of the wall to get a little access to the hive. (there were blockages that couldn't be moved for full access). Anyway,,,as I said,,,with a panicky landlord breathing over my shoulder mumbling about bug spray,,,I had to make the executive decision to do it the sloppy way to just get all the hive out of the wall and put it and as many bees as possible into a box with a few frames of drawn comb. I really hated to do it that way but it was that or he'd kill them all. I'm not even sure if I got the queen or not,,,I'll go back tomorrow to see if they're setting up house in the new box or not. So there ya have it,,,,if and when there is a next time,,,what would have made this a cleaner "de-install"? ~*Note*~ the hive, I'm guessing,(as I couldn't see the whole thing), was approx. 2 ft X 3 ft X 6 in deep. and there was a whole boatload of drones in there which is why I had even more troubles trying to find a queen,,,a LOT of them looked bigger! Anyways,,,,sorry my sordid tale is sooo long ,,,anything constructive would be greatly appreciated -- Don't forget to remove the "notanks" in my address, when replying! Article 13145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dhaller1@aol.com (Dhaller1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Losing Queens Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998063002011800.WAA18153@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Jun 1998 02:01:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13145 I seem to have the same problem each year where the queen is either lost, or stops laying eggs. This usually happens in the early summer. Often, I will find queen cells which would indicate the hive wants to swarm, but I have given them plenty of room to grow. Lastly, the queen is not old. Any thoughts? David Haller Newtown Pa DHaller1@aol Article 13146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keep losing queens Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998063002073500.WAA21142@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Jun 1998 02:07:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6n96i6$3j@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13146 Faced with a badly queenless hive and a good strong hive I would probably make up a nuc with the new queen and frames from the strong hive then combine the weak hive with the strong one using the newspaper method. Once my nuc was up and running and the new queen was seen to be laying I would strengthen the nuc with frames of sealed brood from the strong hive and frames of honey until the strong hive was back to its original number of frames. There are easier methods I am sure- but them old bees in a queenless hive sure seem to want to kill of new queens. Article 13147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Switching hives to equalize Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998063002095600.WAA21481@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Jun 1998 02:09:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13147 This is something I am not going to do ever again after fooling with it this year and losing a few nice queens. It may work in the beekeeping books but it sure didn't help here. I think the field bees from the stronger hive just overwhelm the queen when you switch positions. Article 13148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!panix!news.panix.com!usenet From: Marion Margoshes Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:19:09 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 31 Message-ID: <35984B1C.83221D2D@panix.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <3596A385.790F51DA@ma.ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mbm.dialup.access.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8267 rec.gardens:268716 rec.gardens.edible:12261 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13148 sci.agriculture.fruit:1979 The Rehrauers wrote: > Elizabeth Whitaker wrote: > > Next Spring, buy a few anise hyssop plants. I've had some of these get > > to 5 1/2 feet. I've seen them attract a variety of bees, wasps, moths > > and butterflies. > > Amen to their pollinator-attracting powers! Mine sound like little > powerplants, from the steady drone of visitors. > > But do be aware that they can be aggressive self-seeders. I have them > at the margins of my USDA Zone 5 vegetable garden and figure the benefits > outweigh the need to weed out the steady stream of "volunteers". > > Judicious tolerance of "weeds" can also be a good thing. Common milkweed > is a big "draw" in my garden, especially of honeybees, in mid-summer. > Goldenrod draws 'em in later in the year. And I didn't have to pay a > dime for 'em. :-) > > --Steve Anise hyssop??? Are there other types of hyssop? My grandaughter brought some coniments back from Israel and the contained hyssop. I am unfamiliar with this. Is it an herb and are there different varieties of it? -- MZ mbm@panix.com Article 13149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!moxieman.ne.mediaone.net!user From: iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Frames Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:40:48 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 48 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: moxieman.ne.mediaone.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13149 After a recent visit from my State Bee Inspector, I harvested all the spring flow honey ( my first harvest... and it tastes soooo goooodd) because I was advised to treat for Varroa while its a small problem instead of waiting 'till after fall flow. As I am not overly experienced in cutting the cappings off the honey, I pretty well butchered the comb. Question is.... will the bees rebuild the comb, or will that result in too many drone cells, in which case I'll just harvest the wax, put on new foundation and try to remove the cappings better next time? -I- -- _ /_/_ .'''. =O(_)))) ...' `. \_\ `. .'''B'zzzzzzzzzzz `..' /| __ / | ,-~ / Y :| // / | jj /( .^ >-"~"-v" / Y jo o | ( ~T~ j >._-' _./ / "~" | I AM HAVING A Y _, | BAD /| ;-"~ _ l HARE DAY / l/ ,-"~ \ \//\/ .- \ Y / Y* l I ! ]\ _\ /"\ (" ~----( ~ Y. ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ->Jackson Bunny<- "Live Free or Die" Article 13150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Losing Queens Date: 30 Jun 1998 03:03:27 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6n9khv$625@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <1998063002011800.WAA18153@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.118 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13150 A queen preparing to depart with a swarm will slow down her laying or stop entirely. Since you saw swarm cells, sounds like that is what has happened in the case of aqueen that has stopped laying. In the case of a "lost" queen, is the queen "lost" or did she depart with a swarm, which usually occurs well before the new queen(s) emerge? Congestion is but one factor (although major) that contributes to swarming. Also, if you give them more room after you discover sealed swarm cells they are as good as gone. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Dhaller1 wrote in article <1998063002011800.WAA18153@ladder03.news.aol.com>... > I seem to have the same problem each year where the queen is either lost, or > stops laying eggs. This usually happens in the early summer. Often, I will find > queen cells which would indicate the hive wants to swarm, but I have given them > plenty of room to grow. Lastly, the queen is not old. Any thoughts? > > David Haller > Newtown Pa > DHaller1@aol > Article 13151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keep losing queens Date: 30 Jun 1998 03:31:22 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6n9m6a$686@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6n96i6$3j@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <1998063002073500.WAA21142@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.118 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13151 I intentionally avoided giving re-queening advice because I just don't have alot of practical experience with it and felt others in the group could better advise. I did have an opportunity this spring to allow a colony that had an un-mated queen (very foul weather when she should have been out) raise a new one from a transferred frame. I did not want to do the nuc because this hive had been without a laying queen for so long (4 weeks) that I was afraid of a laying worker developing. But their morale was good, it worked and I was almost as proud of this as I was when my kids were born;-) Inexperience notwithstanding, I second this nuc approach and it is how I plan to make some splits next spring. Of course, if Steve has a laying worker in the weak colony the problem is compounded. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail BeeCrofter wrote in article <1998063002073500.WAA21142@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > Faced with a badly queenless hive and a good strong hive I would probably make > up a nuc with the new queen and frames from the strong hive then combine the > weak hive with the strong one using the newspaper method. > Once my nuc was up and running and the new queen was seen to be laying I would > strengthen the nuc with frames of sealed brood from the strong hive and frames > of honey until the strong hive was back to its original number of frames. > There are easier methods I am sure- but them old bees in a queenless hive sure > seem to want to kill of new queens. > Article 13152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!clear.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: fbates@ihug.co.nz (bates) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Galanized Honey Extractor Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:00:18 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3598a8ec.51798609@news.ihug.co.nz> References: <6n0iaf$2bt@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <01bda295$589aaac0$c380a19d@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: p16-max14.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13152 "francis" wrote: > > >RANDY REITH schrieb im Beitrag ><6n0iaf$2bt@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... >> I just bought a galvanized steel honey extractor real cheap. I've just >been >> told that I shouldn't use it because it will contaminate the honey with >> traces of lead. Is this true? Hi Randy, I got given a galv. extractor with a couple of hives I bought and was going to throw it out as it was rusty inside. However I experimented with coating it with beeswax & this worked really well. I extracted all my honey this year with it and it worked really well. This would probably work for you if you are worried about lead or other metal contamination from the solder for instance. What I did was I dismantled the extractor, and started with the tank. I heated this over a barbecue until it was hot enough to melt a piece of beeswax held against it, and then just rubbed the wax all over the insides. When I had done this I reheated it until it was just hot enough for the wax to melt again, i.e. until it had that 'wet' look, then let it dry. The baskets I did in a similar way, but applied the heat with a small propane gas torch, doing a little at at time and then rubbing the wax on the hot bit. This has provided a very smooth surface all over the extractor and preventd the honey from contacting the metal. If necessary I will repeat the process before I extract next year, but when I cleaned it up after this years extraction, the waxed surfaces still appeared to be perfect. Hope this helps Frank fbates@ihug.co.nz Article 13153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving bees short distances Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:59:04 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 61 Message-ID: <6na9co$5bg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6n94f1$ksb$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 30 08:59:04 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13153 In article <6n94f1$ksb$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>, cjb23@cus.cam.ac.uk (Dr C.J. Browning) wrote: Sad. Unfortunately the bees do not follow our rules. The bees will tell us if we observe. There are days when you can move a hive 10 feet and not have complications. There are days when three miles may not be enough. As a commercial beekeeper, I routinely move hives anywhere from 1 foot to 150 miles and anywhere in between without any problems. I just do what the bees tell me they will allow. And I always try to have some tolerance (Plan'B')for bees that may be left behind. If a hive has been completely confined for a few days, then usually short moves are okay. However if the bees have been on a recent strong flow, particularly at some considerable distance from the hive, all bets are off. You can just tell when they are going to be trouble: all the bees are flying and they take a long time to come back (when you smoke a hive, foragers keep returning for a long time). Any distance over five miles will not usually result in any bees coming back to the original stand, however in some locales, this may not even be enough from what I have heard. Probably Andy will have some tales on this. The safest trick to use is the 'catch hive' method. Using this technique, a nuc is left at the site to see if bees return and to catch any returning bees. The nuc is combined with the original colony later when the bees are not as active such as after a few days of cool weather or rain. Or the nuc can be moved much farther a way for a while. I've never really used a board, although I did try it to see if it did anything once or twice years ago. I don't see the point. FWIW, there is more on this topic on another current thread about switching hives. > There was some correspondence in this group a while ago about moving bees short distances. > Two > methods were suggested - putting a large board in front of the hive entrance so that the bees have to fly > out in a different direction and hence, hopefully, re-orientate, and going during the night to the old site, > collecting boxfuls of 'lost' bees and re-taking them to their new site again. > > Having recently had to move four hives a half-mile or so, I would like you all to know that BOTH > THESE METHODS FAIL. The board does not seem to make any significant difference, and one can > collect boxfuls of bees night after night after night and they STILL go back. > What's more, the lost > bees are terribly bad-tempered during the day and the old site becomes unuseable for any purpose at all. > > I now firmly believe the 'THREE FEET OR THREE MILES' rule. > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3598E3CF.ABCFA5DA@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:10:39 -0400 From: Allen Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apimondia '99 References: <6n2v2v$soh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.77.253 X-Trace: 30 Jun 1998 13:11:10 GMT, 166.72.77.253 Lines: 769 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.77.253 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13154 Double check the Webb address: I think it should be www.apimondia.ca. The link will not take you to the proper web page. Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > To: People involved in the beekeeping industry > > From: Dr. Gard W. Otis, Chair of Promotion, Apimondia'99 > > I am pleased to be able to attach to this E-mail message a press > release (#3) concerning Apimondia'99. This meeting promises to be > an excellent source of beekeeping information and means to make > international contacts--in fact we believe it to be perhaps the best > beekeeping meeting ever held! The press release focuses on > ApiExpo'99, the trade show that accompanies the scientific program > of the meeting. On behalf of the Apimondia'99 Organizing Committee, > I hope that you will pass this message on to others who may want to > receive it. > > There have been two previous press releases (October 1997 and May > 1998). If you have not received these but would like them, please > send me a return E-mail message to that effect. > > Some of you will receive this information by regular mail in another > week. I would appreciate it if you would advise me if E-mail is > your preferred means of receiving information. Also, if you know of > people who may not be receiving this information, then please pass on > the E-mail address and I can add it to the distribution list. > > You will see that the message below appears in English, French, > German, and Spanish (alphabetical order) versions. ASCII file not included with this posting> > > I would like to take this opportunity to publically thank Fran Kay, > of Fran Kay & Associates, Chase, B.C., for her work in preparing this > press release. Fran and I are working together to promote the > Apimondia'99 meeting. > > Again, many thanks for you help in helping to distribute information > about this important meeting. Good Beekeeping!!! > > Sincerely, > > Dr. Gard W. Otis > Dept. of Environmental Biology > University of Guelph > Guelph, Ontario Canada N1G 2W1 > > ********************************************************************** > ENGLISH > ApiExpo'99 Will Actively Complement Apimondia > Congress > > The ApiExpo trade show accompanying Apimondia'99 > will be every bit as exciting as the other aspects of this > huge international congress, planned for the Vancouver > Trade and Convention Centre from September 12-18, > 1999. Under the glistening white sails of the west > coast's premier convention facility are over 6,000 > square metres (60,000 square feet) of exhibit space, > with wonderful natural light provided through > translucent ceilings up to 150 feet high, all in the same > grand facility as the convention sessions, lounge and > food courts. Roomy, carpeted and fully air-conditioned, > the trade show area will provide convention > participants, whether exhibitors or registrants, with > comfortable access to the best the beekeeping world > has to offer. > > "We have incorporated other elements of Apimondia, > especially the posters for research projects, right onto > the ApiExpo floor," says trade show coordinator Paul > van Westendorp. "By having this seamless connection > between the scientific program and the trade show, all > in one envelope, in such incomparable facilities, we > have made ApiExpo a deliberately active and integrated > part of the Congress." > > From educational displays by such groups as the > International Bee Research Association and the US > National Honey Board, to equipment, publications, > pharmaceuticals, beverages, cosmetics and anything > else concerning the bee industry, exhibitors are vying > for position. Already, organizers are fielding requests > for larger booth space from early registrants. > > "We've deliberately kept our exhibitor rates low enough > to encourage anyone in commercial beekeeping to > display their wares," van Westendorp says. "Everyone > should get involved." > > One of the first to express interest in becoming a major > sponsor was Willie Baumgartner of Medivet > Pharmaceuticals, High River, Alberta, Canada. "I've > been to the last two Apimondia congresses, in > Switzerland and Belgium," he explains, "and I was very > impressed. For me, it is vitally important to have > access to researchers and beekeepers, off-shore as well > as on, and there is no better place than Apimondia. > The Canadian meeting looks like it will be spectacular. I > am thrilled to be involved!" > > Paul Belisle, President and General Manager of Bee > Maid Honey of Manitoba and Alberta, expresses his > feelings about the meeting this way. "Our directors are > very excited about both Apimondia'99 and the ApiExpo. > We feel that we can represent our organization to the > world beekeeping industry through ApiExpo. This gives > us the opportunity to meet face to face with current > and potential customers." > > Another major sponsor, Tim Dadant of Dadant and > Sons, Hamilton, Illinois, concurs. This will be his first > Apimondia congress, an experience he looks forward to > after hearing his father speak of others he attended. > "Everyone is looking forward to having Apimondia back > in North America," he says. "This is our own > marketplace, but we have always been interested in the > international one too. And I am looking forward to > coming to Vancouver for the first time. I understand it > is a beautiful city." > > Check the website regularly for updated information > about the congress: http://www/apimondia99.ca > > For ApiExpo exhibitor information, contact Paul van > Westendorp, BC Ministry of Agriculture & Food, > Abbotsford Agriculture Centre, 1767 Angus Campbell > Rd., Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada, V3G 2M3; > phone: 604-556-3129; Fax: 604-556-3030; E-mail: > Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca > > For information regarding Congress registration, contact > Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water > St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6; fax: 604-681-2503; E-mail: > congress@venuewest.com > > ********************************************************************** > > FRENCH / FRANCAIS > > ApiExpo'99 vient completer le congres d'Apimondia. > > L'exposition commerciale ApiExpo se tiendra en meme temps > qu'Apimondia'99 au Centre des congres de Vancouver, du 12 au > 18 septembre 1999. L'exposition promet d'etre aussi passionnante > que les autres facettes de cette gigantesque rencontre > internationale. Sous les toits blancs du plus grand Centre de > congres de la cote ouest, on retrouve plus de 6000 metres carres > de salles de montre, eclaires par la merveilleuse lumiere naturelle > qui scintille a travers les plafonds translucides atteignant jusqu'a > 150 pieds de haut. Les salles d'exposition sont facilement > accessibles a partir des salles de conference, des salons et des > restaurants du Centre. La zone des exposants est spacieuse, > confortable et bien climatisee; elle offrira aux congressistes > comme aux commercants le cadre ideal pour leurs echanges. > > "Nous avons installe des elements d'Apimondia, particulierement > les affiches des projets de recherche, sur le plancher meme > d'ApiExpo," nous indique le coordonnateur du congres, M. Paul > van Westendorp. "La proximite du programme scientifique et de > l'exposition commerciale dans un environnement aussi agreable > confirme la presence d'ApiExpo comme une partie active et > integree du congres." > > Depuis les presentations educatives d'organismes tels que > International Beekeeping Research (IBRA) Association et > National Honey Board (NHB), en passant par l'equipement > apicole, les publications, les produits pharmaceutiques, les > boissons, jusqu'aux produits de beaute et tout autre element > concernant l'industrie apicole, les exposants rivalisent pour les > emplacements de choix. Deja, les organisateurs refusent des > demandes d'espace accru de la part des premiers exposants. > "Nous avons deliberement fixe nos tarifs a un niveau peu eleve > afin d'encourager tous les intervenants du monde apicole a nous > faire connaitre leurs produits," dit M Van Westendorp. "Tout le > monde doit pouvoir etre present." > > Un premier homme d'affaires a s'offrir comme commanditaire > majeur a ete Willie Baumgartner de Medivet Pharmaceuticals, de > High River en Alberta. "J'ai assiste aux deux derniers congres > d'Apimondia, a Lausanne en Suisse, et a Anvers en Belgique," > dit-il, "et j'ai ete reellement tres impressionne. Pour notre > entreprise, il est primordial d'avoir des contacts avec les > chercheurs et les apiculteurs, tant d'ici que d'outre-mer, et aucun > lieu n'est plus propice qu'Apimondia. Avec les qualites > d'organisateurs de l'equipe canadienne, notre congres sera encore > plus spectaculaire que les precedents. Je suis enchante d'etre > implique!" > > Tim Dadant, de Dadant & Sons d'Hamilton en Illinois, partage cet > avis. La rencontre de Vancouver sera son premier congres > d'Apimondia, un evenement qu'il attend avec enthousiasme apres > avoir entendu son pere lui raconter ceux auxquels il a assiste. > "Tout le monde se rejouit de voir revenir Apimondia en Amerique > du Nord," dit-il. "Le continent nord-americain est notre marche > premier, mais nous avons toujours avons ete interesses au marche > mondial. Et j'ai hate de venir a Vancouver pour la premiere fois. > On m'assure que c'est une ville splendide." > > Paul Belisle, P.D.G. de Bee Maid Honey, Manitoba et Alberta, > nous fait part de sa reaction au sujet de Apimondia. "Nos > administrateurs sont tres enthousiasmes par Apimondia'99 et > ApiExpo. Nous croyons que nous pourrons faire connaitre notre > entreprise aux apiculteurs du monde entier grace a ApiExpo. > Nous aurons la chance de rencontrer personnellement nos clients > actuels et potentiels." > > Pour information au sujet d 'ApiExpo'99, s'adresser a : > > Paul van Westendorp > British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture & Food > Abbotsford Agriculture Centre > 1767 Angus Campbell Road > Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada, V3G 2M3 > Telephone: (604) 556-3129; Fax: (604) 556-3030 > Adresse electronique: Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca > > Pour recevir information concernant l'inscription au congres, > veuillez vous adressez a: > Apimondia'99 > c/o Venue West Conference Services > #645 - 375 Water St. > Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6 > Fax: 1-604-681-2503 > Adresse electronique:congress@venuewest.com > > Post electronique sur Apimondia'99: > http://www.apimondia99.ca > > ****************************************************************** > > GERMAN / DEUTSCH > > Die ApiExpo'99 wird den Apimondia Kongress aktiv > begleiten > > Die Apimondia'99 begleitende ApiExpo, die Internationale > Ausstellung und Handelsmesse von Imkerei-Bedarfsartikeln > wird ebenso aufregend sein, wie alle anderen Aspekte des > riesigen internationalen Kongresses, der fr den 12-18 > September 1999 im Vancouver Trade and Convention Centre > geplant ist. Unter den weissen Segeln der besten > Kongresshalle der Westkste sind ber 6.000 m2 > Ausstellungsfl„che mit wunderbarem natrlichen Licht, > welches durch gl„serne, 50 m hohe Decken erzeugt wird, > zusammen mit allen anderen Veranstaltungen und > Erfrischungsr„umen verfgbar. Ger„umig, teppichbelegt und > voll klimatisiert, wird die Ausstellunghalle allen, ob Aussteller > oder Teilnehmer einen komfortablen Zugang zu allem was > die Bienenzucht und Imkerei betrifft, bieten. > > "Wir haben Elemente der Apimondia, wie zum Beispiel die > wissenschaftlichen Poster auf der selben Ebene wie die > ApiExpo arrangiert", sagt der Koordinator der Messe Paul > van Westendorp. "Mit der schnittlosen Verbindung von > wissenschaftlichem Programm und Messe in einer sehr > komfortablen Umgebung haben wir die ApiExpo zu einem > aktiven und integrierten Teil des Kongressess gemacht." > > Ob Aussteller mit informativen Displays von Gruppen wie der > "International Bee Research Association" und dem "US > National Honey Board", oder die Displays von Artikeln die mit > Bienen, Imkerei, Publikationen, Imkereibedarfsartikeln, > Verarbeitung, Nahrungsmitteln, Getr„nken, Arzneimitteln und > Kosmetika zu tun haben, alles ist vertreten. Schon jetzt > haben die Organisatoren Nachfragen nach mehr Raum von > frhen Registranten erhalten. "Wir haben unsere > Ausstellergebhren mit Absicht niedrig gehalten, um allen > Berufsimkern die Gelegenheit zur Austellung ihrer Waren zu > geben," sagt van Westendorp. > > Einer der Ersten, der ein Interesse in Untersttzung der > Apimondia bezeugte, war Willie Baumgartner von Medivet > Pharmaceuticals, High River, Alberta, Canada. "Ich bin auf > den beiden letzten Apimondia Kongressen, in der Schweiz > und Belgien gewesen," sagte er, "und ich war sehr > beeindruckt. Es ist sehr wichtig fr mich dass ich Kontakt zu > Wissenschaftlern, Imkern und Bienenzchter habe und dafr > gibt es keinen besseren Platz als die Apimondia. Das > kanadische Treffen verspricht spektakul„r zu werden. Ich > freue mich darauf, daran beteiligt zu sein." > > Paul Belisle, Praesident und Manager der Bee Maid Honey > von Manitoba und Alberta, drckt seine Gedanken > folgendermassen aus: "Unsere Direktoren sind sehr > enthusiastisch ber die Apimondia'99 und die ApiExpo. Wir > fhlen, dass wir unsere Organisation der Weltimkerei durch > die ApiExpo pr„sentieren k”nnen. Es gibt uns die > Gelegenheit unsere jetzigen und zuknftigen Kunden von > "Angesicht zu Angesicht" zu treffen." > > Ein anderer Hauptsponsor, Tim Dadant von Dadant and > Sons, Hamilton, Illinois, pflichtet ihm bei. Dies wird sein > erster Apimondia Kongress sein, eine Erfahrung auf die er > sich freut, nachdem sein Vater ihm von anderen Apimondia's > die er besucht hat, erz„hlt hat. "Alle freuen sich darauf, dass > die Apimondia wieder in Nordamerika ist," sagt er. "Hier ist > unser eigentlicher Markt, aber wir sind auch am > internationalen Markt interessiert. Ich freu mich auf meinen > ersten Besuch in Vancouver, ich habe geh”rt, dass es eine > wundersch”ne Stadt ist." > > Fr mehr und aktuelle Informationen besuchen Sie uns bitte > im Internet: http://www.apimondia99.ca > > Fr Fragen ber die ApiExpo'99 wenden Sie sich bitte an > Paul van Westendorp, BC Ministry of Agriculture & Food, > Abbotsford Agriculture Centre, 1767 Angus Campbell Rd., > Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada, V3G 2M3; Telefon: > 604-556-3129; Fax: 604-556-3030; E-mail: > Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca > > Fr Registrationsinformationen ber die Apimondia'99, > wenden Sie sich bitte an Venue West Conference Services, > #645 - 375 Water St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6; fax: > 604-681-2503; E-mail: congress@venuewest.com > > ********************************************************************** > > SPANISH / ESPAGNOL > > ApiExpo'99 Complementar El Congreso De > Apimondia'99 > > Varios aspectos de ApiExpo'99 seran de tanto inter‚s como los de > Apimondia'99. Esta feria acompa¤ar el Congreso de Apimondia > que ser llevado a cabo del 12 al 18 de Septiembre de 1999 en el > Trade And Convention Centre de la ciudad de Vancouver. Bajo > sus blancas y radiantes velas, el centro de exhibici¢n pose‚ mas de > 6.000 metros cuadrados de espacio disponible con un techo > transparente de 150 pies de altura e iluminaci¢n natural. Es amplio, > alfombrado, climatizado y ofrecer a todos los participantes un > c¢modo acceso de lo mejor de la industria y ciencia de apicultura. > > "Hemos incluido en el mismo piso de ApiExpo, varios elementos de > Apimondia como art¡culos y resultados cient¡ficos," comenta Paul > Van Westendorp, coordinador de la exhibici¢n de ApiExpo'99. > "Incorporando totalmente el programa cient¡fico con la feria > comercial, en este incomparable espacio, hemos hecho que ApiExpo > sea una parte totalmente integrada y activa del Congreso de > Apimondia. > > Habr n publicaciones, muestras de equipos y aparatos, bebidas, > productos de cosm‚ticos y farmac‚uticos, exhibiciones > educacionales ofrecidas por grupos como los del International Bee > Research Association y U.S. National Honey Bee y todo lo > relacionado a la industria y ciencia de apicultura. Organizadores > est n recibiendo solicitudes de los primeros matriculadores pora > reservar espacios los cuales est n en demanda por otros > participantes. > > "Hemos decidido mantener los precios lo m s bajo posible para > fomentar la participaci¢n de las personas envueltas en el aspecto > comercial de la industria," dice Van Westendorp. "Todos deberian > de participar." > > "He estado en los dos £ltimos congresos de Apimondia que tomaron > lugar en Suisa y B‚lgica. Me impresionaron bastante," ‚xplica Willie > Baumgartner de Medivet Pharmaceutical de High River, Alberta, > Canad y unos de los primeros en demostrar inter‚s como > patrocinador principal. "Para mi es sumamente importante tener > acceso, sea cerca o de lejos, a miembros en la industria y en la > comunidad cientifica y Apimondia ofrece la mejor oportunidad. > Parece que la exposisi¢n Canadiense ser expectacular. Estoy muy > emocionado de participar en este acontecimiento." > > El presidente y gerente de la compa¤¡a Bee Maid Honey de > Manitoba y Alberta, Paul Belisle, dijo que "nuestros directores estan > entusiasmados con los eventos de Apimondia'99 y ApiExpo'99. > Sentimos que podemos representar nuestra organizaci¢n a la > industria internacional de apicultura a trav‚s de ApiExpo. Esto nos > dar la oportunidad de conocer cara a cara a una actual y potencial > clientela. > > El se¤or Tim Dadant de la compa¤¡a Dadant And Sons en > Hamilton, Illinois y tambi‚n patrosinador principal de Apimondia, > concuerda que la feria de ApiExpo ser un gran acontecimiento. > Este ser su primer congreso algo que espera con antisipaci¢n > despu‚s de escuchar a su padre hablar de varios congresos de > Apimondia. > > "Todos esperan con ansiedad de tener nuevamente el Congreso de > Apimondia en Norte Am‚rica y aunque este es nuestro mercado, > estamos tambi‚n interesados en el aspecto internacional. Me han > comentado que Vancouver es una ciudad preciosa y tengo el deseo > de visitarla por primera vez." > > Para m s informaci¢n sobre ApiExpo'99 contacte: > > Paul Van Westendorp > British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture and Food > Abbotsford Agriculture Centre > 1767 Angus Campbell Road > Abbotsford, British Columbia > V3G 2M3, Canada > > Tel‚fono: 1-604-556-3129 > Fax: 1-604-556-3030 > Correo El‚ctronico: Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca > > Para recibir m s informaci¢n sobre Apimondia'99 contact‚nos a la > siguiente direcci¢n: > > Apimondia'99 > c/o Venue West Conference Services > #645 - 375 Water Street > Vancouver, British Columbia > V6B 5C6, Canada > > Fax: 1-604-681-2503 > Correo El‚ctronico: congress@venuewest.com > http://www.apimondia'99.ca > > ApiExpo'99 Will Actively Complement Apimondia > Congress > > The ApiExpo trade show accompanying Apimondia'99 > will be every bit as exciting as the other aspects of this > huge international congress, planned for the Vancouver > Trade and Convention Centre from September 12-18, > 1999. Under the glistening white sails of the west > coast's premier convention facility are over 6,000 > square metres (60,000 square feet) of exhibit space, > with wonderful natural light provided through > translucent ceilings up to 150 feet high, all in the same > grand facility as the convention sessions, lounge and > food courts. Roomy, carpeted and fully air-conditioned, > the trade show area will provide convention > participants, whether exhibitors or registrants, with > comfortable access to the best the beekeeping world > has to offer. > > "We have incorporated other elements of Apimondia, > especially the posters for research projects, right onto > the ApiExpo floor," says trade show coordinator Paul > van Westendorp. "By having this seamless connection > between the scientific program and the trade show, all > in one envelope, in such incomparable facilities, we > have made ApiExpo a deliberately active and integrated > part of the Congress." > > From educational displays by such groups as the > International Bee Research Association and the US > National Honey Board, to equipment, publications, > pharmaceuticals, beverages, cosmetics and anything > else concerning the bee industry, exhibitors are vying > for position. Already, organizers are fielding requests > for larger booth space from early registrants. > > "We've deliberately kept our exhibitor rates low enough > to encourage anyone in commercial beekeeping to > display their wares," van Westendorp says. "Everyone > should get involved." > > One of the first to express interest in becoming a major > sponsor was Willie Baumgartner of Medivet > Pharmaceuticals, High River, Alberta, Canada. "I've > been to the last two Apimondia congresses, in > Switzerland and Belgium," he explains, "and I was very > impressed. For me, it is vitally important to have > access to researchers and beekeepers, off-shore as well > as on, and there is no better place than Apimondia. > The Canadian meeting looks like it will be spectacular. I > am thrilled to be involved!" > > Paul Belisle, President and General Manager of Bee > Maid Honey of Manitoba and Alberta, expresses his > feelings about the meeting this way. "Our directors are > very excited about both Apimondia'99 and the ApiExpo. > We feel that we can represent our organization to the > world beekeeping industry through ApiExpo. This gives > us the opportunity to meet face to face with current > and potential customers." > > Another major sponsor, Tim Dadant of Dadant and > Sons, Hamilton, Illinois, concurs. This will be his first > Apimondia congress, an experience he looks forward to > after hearing his father speak of others he attended. > "Everyone is looking forward to having Apimondia back > in North America," he says. "This is our own > marketplace, but we have always been interested in the > international one too. And I am looking forward to > coming to Vancouver for the first time. I understand it > is a beautiful city." > > Check the website regularly for updated information > about the congress: http://www/apimondia99.ca > > For ApiExpo exhibitor information, contact Paul van > Westendorp, BC Ministry of Agriculture & Food, > Abbotsford Agriculture Centre, 1767 Angus Campbell > Rd., Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada, V3G 2M3; > phone: 604-556-3129; Fax: 604-556-3030; E-mail: > Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca > > For information regarding Congress registration, contact > Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water > St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6; fax: 604-681-2503; E-mail: > congress@venuewest.com > > ApiExpo'99 vient completer le congres d'Apimondia. > > L'exposition commerciale ApiExpo se tiendra en meme temps > qu'Apimondia'99 au Centre des congres de Vancouver, du 12 au > 18 septembre 1999. L'exposition promet d'etre aussi passionnante > que les autres facettes de cette gigantesque rencontre > internationale. Sous les toits blancs du plus grand Centre de > congres de la cote ouest, on retrouve plus de 6000 metres carres > de salles de montre, eclaires par la merveilleuse lumiere naturelle > qui scintille a travers les plafonds translucides atteignant jusqu'a > 150 pieds de haut. Les salles d'exposition sont facilement > accessibles a partir des salles de conference, des salons et des > restaurants du Centre. La zone des exposants est spacieuse, > confortable et bien climatisee; elle offrira aux congressistes > comme aux commercants le cadre ideal pour leurs echanges. > > "Nous avons installe des elements d'Apimondia, particulierement > les affiches des projets de recherche, sur le plancher meme > d'ApiExpo," nous indique le coordonnateur du congres, M. Paul > van Westendorp. "La proximite du programme scientifique et de > l'exposition commerciale dans un environnement aussi agreable > confirme la presence d'ApiExpo comme une partie active et > integree du congres." > > Depuis les presentations educatives d'organismes tels que > International Beekeeping Research (IBRA) Association et > National Honey Board (NHB), en passant par l'equipement > apicole, les publications, les produits pharmaceutiques, les > boissons, jusqu'aux produits de beaute et tout autre element > concernant l'industrie apicole, les exposants rivalisent pour les > emplacements de choix. Deja, les organisateurs refusent des > demandes d'espace accru de la part des premiers exposants. > "Nous avons deliberement fixe nos tarifs a un niveau peu eleve > afin d'encourager tous les intervenants du monde apicole a nous > faire connaitre leurs produits," dit M Van Westendorp. "Tout le > monde doit pouvoir etre present." > > Un premier homme d'affaires a s'offrir comme commanditaire > majeur a ete Willie Baumgartner de Medivet Pharmaceuticals, de > High River en Alberta. "J'ai assiste aux deux derniers congres > d'Apimondia, a Lausanne en Suisse, et a Anvers en Belgique," > dit-il, "et j'ai ete reellement tres impressionne. Pour notre > entreprise, il est primordial d'avoir des contacts avec les > chercheurs et les apiculteurs, tant d'ici que d'outre-mer, et aucun > lieu n'est plus propice qu'Apimondia. Avec les qualites > d'organisateurs de l'equipe canadienne, notre congres sera encore > plus spectaculaire que les precedents. Je suis enchante d'etre > implique!" > > Tim Dadant, de Dadant & Sons d'Hamilton en Illinois, partage cet > avis. La rencontre de Vancouver sera son premier congres > d'Apimondia, un evenement qu'il attend avec enthousiasme apres > avoir entendu son pere lui raconter ceux auxquels il a assiste. > "Tout le monde se rejouit de voir revenir Apimondia en Amerique > du Nord," dit-il. "Le continent nord-americain est notre marche > premier, mais nous avons toujours avons ete interesses au marche > mondial. Et j'ai hate de venir a Vancouver pour la premiere fois. > On m'assure que c'est une ville splendide." > > Paul Belisle, P.D.G. de Bee Maid Honey, Manitoba et Alberta, > nous fait part de sa reaction au sujet de Apimondia. "Nos > administrateurs sont tres enthousiasmes par Apimondia'99 et > ApiExpo. Nous croyons que nous pourrons faire connaitre notre > entreprise aux apiculteurs du monde entier grace a ApiExpo. > Nous aurons la chance de rencontrer personnellement nos clients > actuels et potentiels." > > Pour information au sujet d 'ApiExpo'99, s'adresser a : > > Paul van Westendorp > British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture & Food > Abbotsford Agriculture Centre > 1767 Angus Campbell Road > Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada, V3G 2M3 > Telephone: (604) 556-3129; Fax: (604) 556-3030 > Adresse electronique: Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca > > Pour recevir information concernant l'inscription au congres, > veuillez vous adressez a: > Apimondia'99 > c/o Venue West Conference Services > #645 - 375 Water St. > Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6 > Fax: 1-604-681-2503 > Adresse electronique:congress@venuewest.com > > Post electronique sur Apimondia'99: > http://www.apimondia99.ca > > Die ApiExpo'99 wird den Apimondia Kongress aktiv > begleiten > > Die Apimondia'99 begleitende ApiExpo, die Internationale > Ausstellung und Handelsmesse von Imkerei-Bedarfsartikeln > wird ebenso aufregend sein, wie alle anderen Aspekte des > riesigen internationalen Kongresses, der fr den 12-18 > September 1999 im Vancouver Trade and Convention Centre > geplant ist. Unter den weissen Segeln der besten > Kongresshalle der Westkste sind ber 6.000 m2 > Ausstellungsfl„che mit wunderbarem natrlichen Licht, > welches durch gl„serne, 50 m hohe Decken erzeugt wird, > zusammen mit allen anderen Veranstaltungen und > Erfrischungsr„umen verfgbar. Ger„umig, teppichbelegt und > voll klimatisiert, wird die Ausstellunghalle allen, ob Aussteller > oder Teilnehmer einen komfortablen Zugang zu allem was > die Bienenzucht und Imkerei betrifft, bieten. > > "Wir haben Elemente der Apimondia, wie zum Beispiel die > wissenschaftlichen Poster auf der selben Ebene wie die > ApiExpo arrangiert", sagt der Koordinator der Messe Paul > van Westendorp. "Mit der schnittlosen Verbindung von > wissenschaftlichem Programm und Messe in einer sehr > komfortablen Umgebung haben wir die ApiExpo zu einem > aktiven und integrierten Teil des Kongressess gemacht." > > Ob Aussteller mit informativen Displays von Gruppen wie der > "International Bee Research Association" und dem "US > National Honey Board", oder die Displays von Artikeln die mit > Bienen, Imkerei, Publikationen, Imkereibedarfsartikeln, > Verarbeitung, Nahrungsmitteln, Getr„nken, Arzneimitteln und > Kosmetika zu tun haben, alles ist vertreten. Schon jetzt > haben die Organisatoren Nachfragen nach mehr Raum von > frhen Registranten erhalten. "Wir haben unsere > Ausstellergebhren mit Absicht niedrig gehalten, um allen > Berufsimkern die Gelegenheit zur Austellung ihrer Waren zu > geben," sagt van Westendorp. > > Einer der Ersten, der ein Interesse in Untersttzung der > Apimondia bezeugte, war Willie Baumgartner von Medivet > Pharmaceuticals, High River, Alberta, Canada. "Ich bin auf > den beiden letzten Apimondia Kongressen, in der Schweiz > und Belgien gewesen," sagte er, "und ich war sehr > beeindruckt. Es ist sehr wichtig fr mich dass ich Kontakt zu > Wissenschaftlern, Imkern und Bienenzchter habe und dafr > gibt es keinen besseren Platz als die Apimondia. Das > kanadische Treffen verspricht spektakul„r zu werden. Ich > freue mich darauf, daran beteiligt zu sein." > > Paul Belisle, Praesident und Manager der Bee Maid Honey > von Manitoba und Alberta, drckt seine Gedanken > folgendermassen aus: "Unsere Direktoren sind sehr > enthusiastisch ber die Apimondia'99 und die ApiExpo. Wir > fhlen, dass wir unsere Organisation der Weltimkerei durch > die ApiExpo pr„sentieren k”nnen. Es gibt uns die > Gelegenheit unsere jetzigen und zuknftigen Kunden von > "Angesicht zu Angesicht" zu treffen." > > Ein anderer Hauptsponsor, Tim Dadant von Dadant and > Sons, Hamilton, Illinois, pflichtet ihm bei. Dies wird sein > erster Apimondia Kongress sein, eine Erfahrung auf die er > sich freut, nachdem sein Vater ihm von anderen Apimondia's > die er besucht hat, erz„hlt hat. "Alle freuen sich darauf, dass > die Apimondia wieder in Nordamerika ist," sagt er. "Hier ist > unser eigentlicher Markt, aber wir sind auch am > internationalen Markt interessiert. Ich freu mich auf meinen > ersten Besuch in Vancouver, ich habe geh”rt, dass es eine > wundersch”ne Stadt ist." > > Fr mehr und aktuelle Informationen besuchen Sie uns bitte > im Internet: http://www.apimondia99.ca > > Fr Fragen ber die ApiExpo'99 wenden Sie sich bitte an > Paul van Westendorp, BC Ministry of Agriculture & Food, > Abbotsford Agriculture Centre, 1767 Angus Campbell Rd., > Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada, V3G 2M3; Telefon: > 604-556-3129; Fax: 604-556-3030; E-mail: > Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca > > Fr Registrationsinformationen ber die Apimondia'99, > wenden Sie sich bitte an Venue West Conference Services, > #645 - 375 Water St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6; fax: > 604-681-2503; E-mail: congress@venuewest.com > > ApiExpo'99 Complementar El Congreso De > Apimondia'99 > > Varios aspectos de ApiExpo'99 seran de tanto inter‚s como los de > Apimondia'99. Esta feria acompa¤ar el Congreso de Apimondia > que ser llevado a cabo del 12 al 18 de Septiembre de 1999 en el > Trade And Convention Centre de la ciudad de Vancouver. Bajo > sus blancas y radiantes velas, el centro de exhibici¢n pose‚ mas de > 6.000 metros cuadrados de espacio disponible con un techo > transparente de 150 pies de altura e iluminaci¢n natural. Es amplio, > alfombrado, climatizado y ofrecer a todos los participantes un > c¢modo acceso de lo mejor de la industria y ciencia de apicultura. > > "Hemos incluido en el mismo piso de ApiExpo, varios elementos de > Apimondia como art¡culos y resultados cient¡ficos," comenta Paul > Van Westendorp, coordinador de la exhibici¢n de ApiExpo'99. > "Incorporando totalmente el programa cient¡fico con la feria > comercial, en este incomparable espacio, hemos hecho que ApiExpo > sea una parte totalmente integrada y activa del Congreso de > Apimondia. > > Habr n publicaciones, muestras de equipos y aparatos, bebidas, > productos de cosm‚ticos y farmac‚uticos, exhibiciones > educacionales ofrecidas por grupos como los del International Bee > Research Association y U.S. National Honey Bee y todo lo > relacionado a la industria y ciencia de apicultura. Organizadores > est n recibiendo solicitudes de los primeros matriculadores pora > reservar espacios los cuales est n en demanda por otros > participantes. > > "Hemos decidido mantener los precios lo m s bajo posible para > fomentar la participaci¢n de las personas envueltas en el aspecto > comercial de la industria," dice Van Westendorp. "Todos deberian > de participar." > > "He estado en los dos £ltimos congresos de Apimondia que tomaron > lugar en Suisa y B‚lgica. Me impresionaron bastante," ‚xplica Willie > Baumgartner de Medivet Pharmaceutical de High River, Alberta, > Canad y unos de los primeros en demostrar inter‚s como > patrocinador principal. "Para mi es sumamente importante tener > acceso, sea cerca o de lejos, a miembros en la industria y en la > comunidad cientifica y Apimondia ofrece la mejor oportunidad. > Parece que la exposisi¢n Canadiense ser expectacular. Estoy muy > emocionado de participar en este acontecimiento." > > El presidente y gerente de la compa¤¡a Bee Maid Honey de > Manitoba y Alberta, Paul Belisle, dijo que "nuestros directores estan > entusiasmados con los eventos de Apimondia'99 y ApiExpo'99. > Sentimos que podemos representar nuestra organizaci¢n a la > industria internacional de apicultura a trav‚s de ApiExpo. Esto nos > dar la oportunidad de conocer cara a cara a una actual y potencial > clientela. > > El se¤or Tim Dadant de la compa¤¡a Dadant And Sons en > Hamilton, Illinois y tambi‚n patrosinador principal de Apimondia, > concuerda que la feria de ApiExpo ser un gran acontecimiento. > Este ser su primer congreso algo que espera con antisipaci¢n > despu‚s de escuchar a su padre hablar de varios congresos de > Apimondia. > > "Todos esperan con ansiedad de tener nuevamente el Congreso de > Apimondia en Norte Am‚rica y aunque este es nuestro mercado, > estamos tambi‚n interesados en el aspecto internacional. Me han > comentado que Vancouver es una ciudad preciosa y tengo el deseo > de visitarla por primera vez." > > Para m s informaci¢n sobre ApiExpo'99 contacte: > > Paul Van Westendorp > British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture and Food > Abbotsford Agriculture Centre > 1767 Angus Campbell Road > Abbotsford, British Columbia > V3G 2M3, Canada > > Tel‚fono: 1-604-556-3129 > Fax: 1-604-556-3030 > Correo El‚ctronico: Paul.vanWestendorp@gems8.gov.bc.ca > > Para recibir m s informaci¢n sobre Apimondia'99 contact‚nos a la > siguiente direcci¢n: > > Apimondia'99 > c/o Venue West Conference Services > #645 - 375 Water Street > Vancouver, British Columbia > V6B 5C6, Canada > > Fax: 1-604-681-2503 > Correo El‚ctronico: congress@venuewest.com > http://www.apimondia'99.ca > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K bug and bees? Info request Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:41:13 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3598DCE9.EC5@nt.com> References: Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13155 Barbara Warner wrote: > So, perhaps someone out there can answer a question or two: > Do bee keepers use computerized equipment in their operations? > Are they fairly reliant on this equipment? > Is there a similar use of computerized equipment in 'honey-making"? Certainly for me, and all the beekeepers I know, there is no computerised equipment used in the practical aspects beekeeping. Many of us use computers for record keeping, accounting etc but that's really just the same as any comercial enterprise. Some packaging equipment may well have computer chips built in but apart from putting 'Best before' dates on the labels should not need to be aware of the date. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 13156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Jack Kassinger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moving hive Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:38:32 -0400 Organization: Micron Electronics, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3598F867.9A81E9A5@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: jack18@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: bin-ny1-01.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 30 9:40:55 AM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13156 I am about to move a hive about 200 FT. I would like to do the move at one time but I have read posts about the 3' or 3 mile rule . I take it to mean move them in small increments or one large distance. I can load them on a cart and move them a few feet a day or move them the full 200' . The new location is uphill separated by some poplar trees. Any thoughts on the subject would be appreciated. Jack Article 13157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3598F30B.F330CBBA@sympatico.ca> From: sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Al's Beekeeping Homepage Diary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:35:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.218.46 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:35:30 EDT Organization: Bell Solutions Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13157 For those of you interested, I have began running a diary of the experience with my 2 hives. (What I found and have done on each of my visits). Stay tuned, as I am updating it weekly. I am also looking at creating a classifieds page for those in and around Ontario. Let me know is this sound like a good idea. I have see a few others around the net, but they don't deal with specific areas, making it hard to post or look for something. Hope you enjoy it. http://www3.sympatico.ca/sgt.tibbs And follow the diary link Allen Banks Article 13158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Michael Oberle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving hive Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:26:36 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6nb03i$431@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> References: <3598F867.9A81E9A5@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: min-mn13-29.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 30 8:26:42 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13158 The 3 foot or 3 mile rule means that you must not move them more than 3 feet at a time unless you are going to move them at least 3 miles. Bees orient themselves to their world. If you move them to some place within their current range they will not reorient. The will fly back to the original position of their hive and not being able to find it will be lost. If you want to move them all at once move them someplace at least 3 miles away for a week and then move them back to the new location 200 feet away. -- Thanks Michael Oberle NTS1@ix.netcom.com Minnesota The state where absolutely nothing is allowed. Jack Kassinger wrote in message <3598F867.9A81E9A5@ix.netcom.com>... >I am about to move a hive about 200 FT. I would like to do the move at >one time but I have read posts about the 3' or 3 mile rule . I take it >to mean move them in small increments or one large distance. I can >load them on a cart and move them a few feet a day or move them the full >200' . The new location is uphill separated by some poplar trees. Any >thoughts on the subject would be appreciated. > Jack > Article 13160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3598E612.8A0E1539@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:20:18 -0400 From: Allen Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: blueprints References: <3595cc58.287356505@news.tstar.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.77.253 X-Trace: 30 Jun 1998 13:20:43 GMT, 166.72.77.253 Lines: 8 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.77.253 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13160 Here is a site that has some great plans for hives, melters, etc. Barry has done a great job with this instructions and drawings. www.birkey.com HNEWTON@TSTAR.NET wrote: > > Can anyone help me find a blueprint of bee hives so I can make my own? Article 13161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm catching 101,,,after the fact.... Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:48:56 +0100 Message-ID: <1998063011485675982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <359835F2.845D32EA@midtown.notanks.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 39 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13161 The message <359835F2.845D32EA@midtown.notanks.net> from TiPnRiNg contains these words: > I had to make the executive decision to do it > the sloppy way to just get all the hive out of the wall and put it and > as many bees as possible into a box with a few frames of drawn comb. I > really hated to do it that way but it was that or he'd kill them all. > I'm not even sure if I got the queen or not,,,I'll go back tomorrow to > see if they're setting up house in the new box or not. If it works, it has to be right! Sometimes you can get away with `murder' with bee manipulation! I remember one occasion when I was asked to remove a wild bee colony from a rotten tree that had just blown down. I waited until it was dusk and then suitably kitted out and armed with a chain saw. I cut away the part of the tree that covered the colony and exposed the combs. It was a big colony but I removed as much of the comb with bees as possible and placed it (all jumbled up) in a cardboard box that was chosen for size so that it would just fit into an empty brood box. I then assembled a hive around the box in a new position (with a deep super of drawn comb above the box) and closed the hive for three days. After a week I inspected the hive and found to my delight that the bees had moved up into the drawn comb, taking their stores with them and I was able to remove the cardboard box containing the debris. This hive turned out to be excellent and the bees did not seem in the least put out by their (and my!) experience. Phil. Article 13162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Switching hives. Don't do it! Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:35:44 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6nbi8o$ciq2$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb111-12.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 30 Jun 1998 20:36:40 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/943f5a9331cc971f X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13162 I have also tried switching hives, a weak one for a strong one, in order to equalize the field forces. When you consider the queen's scent and the unknown strength of her pheremones, it makes quite evident the foolhardiness of the method. After many attempts, during different years, under many different conditions, with nearly every race available in the U.S. (over 30 years), this method should never be attempted. One will only wind up with dead queens, depopulated hives which were once strong, angry bees, a loss of time and labor, etc. Sounds good at first, but it really is much better just to take frames of brood with the attached nurse bees out of an exceptionally strong hive and build up your weak ones by inserting same. Joe Article 13163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving hive Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:53:40 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6nbja8$3ioa$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <3598F867.9A81E9A5@ix.netcom.com> <6nb03i$431@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb111-12.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 30 Jun 1998 20:54:32 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/15064893fe4780e6 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13163 Bees have a memory and it seems to be longer than one week. I would wait at least 2 weeks plus before returning them to their original locale. Joe Article 13164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.vanderbilt.edu!news From: Marshall Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Questions about feeding. Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:04:05 -0500 Organization: Vanderbilt University, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 21 Message-ID: <359693A5.F973EDDE@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: d009021.n1.vanderbilt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13164 Recently, I was able to trap a colony out of an old house and was lucky enough to have them take up residence in a hive box. They have been re-queened ( 2 weeks ago). Yesterday, I saw the queen. This colony lives on the Cumberland Plateau in middle Tennessee. Should I be feeding the colony? if so, what? I have been putting sugar water in the feeder, is this OK? Should it continue? What about feeding pollen supplements? Would pollen help the colony? if so, where can I purchase pollen. For curiousity, I plan to open the wall where the colony previously resided. Should I try to feed the colony some of there own honey? if so, how? Thanks for the help!!!!!!!!! Peace, Marshall Article 13165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving bees short distances Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:11:01 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35994a73.8245263@news.jps.net> References: <6n94f1$ksb$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.50 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.50 Lines: 76 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13165 On 29 Jun 1998 22:28:49 GMT, cjb23@cus.cam.ac.uk (Dr C.J. Browning) wrote: >Having recently had to move four hives a half-mile or so, I would like you all to know that BOTH >THESE METHODS FAIL. The board does not seem to make any significant difference, and one can >collect boxfuls of bees night after night after night and they STILL go back. >What's more, the lost A half-mile is a little much, but if it was open ground or no flow it could be done. >bees are terribly bad-tempered during the day and the old site becomes unuseable for any purpose at all. I bet they are and more times then not these bees will age very fast and be useless. May be best to destroy them and take your loss. >I now firmly believe the 'THREE FEET OR THREE MILES' rule. Like all rules in keeping bees there are exceptions. Bees can be moved short distances, measured in a few feet or a few hundred feet and if the keeper is wise he will take advantage of the bees natural drifting behavior to recapture any field force that returned to the old site to the new one. It helps to prepare the new site so the bees can find it easily such as knocking down the grass or using hive stands. Adding an extra super could help. Even adding a temporary two or three inches of black tape above the entrance will help the lost bees find their new location.. A few years back I had to move some bees, 112 hives from one musk melon field to another for pollination. All the fields were flat and laid out in square blocks of about 100 acres with open 100 acres fields between them that were being irrigated prior to planting. Because of the lack of land marks such as trees or buildings the bees could be moved in the late evening after sun down from one field to another and any bees that got lost the next day would return without any problems. This one evening I was a tad early when I loaded the first set of hives, each side of the field had three sets, and a cloud of bees followed me to the next set. The cloud grew and by the time I got to the third set there was about the same number of bees in the air as you would expect from a big swarm. I did not worry as soon I would be unloading them in their new location that was in a straight line from their old location and those bees in the air would soon find a home. As I unloaded the first set I notice an irrigator in the adjacent open (not planted) field working the water down the rows. A few minutes later after I had unloaded the 2nd set of bees, I looked back and all I could see of the irrigator was his shovel as the bees following the truck had found him and being not to particular of where they landed they were trying to land on him which scared him witless and all he could think to do was to lay down in the wet row and hide from the bees.. I returned a few minutes later as darkness fell expecting to find his earthly remains but all I found is one muddy irrigator lucky for me I could understand a little Spanish much to my relief all he wanted was a little Mel and I always carried a case of honey in my truck to share just in case of situations like this. A cold six pack of beer will also work. One thing I did learn years before is that the Mexican field worker love's honey and if you don't spread a little around they will help themselves as in every group of Mexican's workers in the US there is always one beekeeper. I did developed a kind of easy truce or mutual understanding by passing out honey and veils but the thing that gained me the greatest respect is NOT wearing a veil myself, (always have one at the ready in the truck), anyway I am not sure if its they think I am a super macho bee man or just a loco (crazy) one. ttul, the OLd Drone for Beekeeping News try: http://beenet.com/bnews.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!195.64.68.27!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving bees short distances Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:26:10 +0100 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <1998063011261075982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <6n94f1$ksb$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> <6na9co$5bg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13166 The message <6na9co$5bg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> from AllenDick@my-dejanews.com contains these words: > If a hive has been completely confined for a few days, then usually short > moves are okay. However if the bees have been on a recent strong flow, > particularly at some considerable distance from the hive, all bets are off. > You can just tell when they are going to be trouble: all the bees are flying > and they take a long time to come back (when you smoke a hive, foragers keep > returning for a long time). Moving hives short distances was a problem that used to confront me regularly when I was a head gardener. The boss would decide that he wanted his hives moved to another part of the garden (usually distances from 50-300 feet) especially if he had guests visiting in the summer. The technique that I developed was to close the hive entrances in the evening using perforated zinc strip and then to move them immediately to a cool, shaded position (against a north facing wall under trees is ideal). The hives were left there for three or four days and then moved to their new position (again in the evening) and opened. Whilst in their `holding position', water was sprayed into and over the hives several times a day (more if it was hot). There were always a few bees that strayed back to the old position, but never more than a few dozen. I am sure that the secret was to dis-orientate the bees as much as possible, forcing them to re-orientate when they emerged in their new position. Phil. Article 13167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: "Roy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queens Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:49:17 -0700 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6nbmhk$8oa$1@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup31.tnath.usit.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13167 anyone have queens for sale?