From newleif@aol.com Mon Dec 9 11:57:52 EST 1996 Article: 6190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: newleif@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tacoma, WA. USA area beekeeper needed to relocate hive Date: 25 Nov 1996 18:49:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19961125185100.NAA20047@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <32905097.AF8@nwrain.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com I might be interested if you are not in too great a hurry . E-Mail me at NewLeif@aol.com. Bart From newleif@aol.com Mon Dec 9 11:57:54 EST 1996 Article: 6191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.akorn.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: newleif@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeKeeping in a Housing Estate Date: 25 Nov 1996 19:15:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <19961125191700.OAA20510@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <56ngjk$14c@library.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com I have two hives right in town. They are on a shed roof. Nearest neighbor is 175 feet away but below the flight line. They are delighted to be able to see the bees activity and the odd jar of honey doesn't hurt. They say that an adjoining neighborhood group was commenting how well the flowers and fruit trees were doing this year. Amazing! My hives are telltales to my main yard. When they are busy, the main yard will be busy also. Know your neighbors but try it if it can be done!. Bart Snyder ICDB Apiary From lehmann@opus.mco.edu Mon Dec 9 11:57:54 EST 1996 Article: 6192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!malgudi.oar.net!corky.mco.edu!NewsWatcher!user From: lehmann@opus.mco.edu (Paul F. Lehmann, Ph.D.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & Lyme disease !!! Date: 25 Nov 1996 19:07:21 GMT Organization: Medical College of Ohio Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <329202B8.5EC8@hsius.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.247.240.139 In article <329202B8.5EC8@hsius.com>, SteveAustin wrote: > Heard yesterday from a MD in Europe who felt that bees were able to > carry the Borrelia spirochete involved in Lyme disease. This is shocking > news to so many people involved in Apitherapy. Known carriers of the > spirochete are deer and mice. Certainly mice try to get into hives. > Any confiration or theory on this matter GREATLY appreciated. > Best Regards, Steve. Just a point about carriage of "bacteria and viruses" by insects and ticks etc. First the organism has to get into the insect, then it has to escape the gut into the coelomic cavity, then, in biting insects, it has to penetrate the salivary glands. It will need to grow within the insect if is successfully to be passed on. With bees, a pathogen would have to enter the venom sac to be transmitted. Your MD "felt" bees could transmit Lyme disease. I "feel" it is very unlikely - Well I suppose I "feel" that bees could become "carriers" if you were to mince an infected mouse/deer onto them, then rub the mince-contaminated bees into wounds you had previsiously made on your skin to mimic tick bites. I don't have any evidence that this would work though. Just a "feeling." There have been numerous studies on carriage of pathogens by insects etc., a whole branch of medical entomology exists for this and the studies can be even more interesting than beekeeping! E.g. does hepatitis B virus get transmitted by cockroaches in brothels? Now what does your "authority" feel about that question? Paul F. Lehmann Department of Microbiology & Immunology Medical College of Ohio Lehmann@opus.mco.edu From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Mon Dec 9 11:57:55 EST 1996 Article: 6193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.us.world.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!ns1.aplatform.com!pagesat.net!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re: bee jokes Date: Mon, 25 Nov 96 18:22:29 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 19 Message-ID: <57croc$2uf@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp26.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article , jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) wrote: >Wasn't there one about bees flying backwards? Can't remember it now "What goes zzub, zzub?" Got anymore punch lines you need the corresponding jokes for? ;) Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From trick@indigo.ie Mon Dec 9 11:57:56 EST 1996 Article: 6194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.indigo.ie!usenet From: Kevin O'Regan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Any BeeKeepers out there have mIRC, Pirch or IRCII? Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 20:50:10 -0800 Organization: Indigo Lines: 9 Message-ID: <329A7702.70B3@indigo.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts16-14.dublin.indigo.ie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I; 16bit) Hey all, If anyone out there has any of the above listed programs for IRC, please mail me or port here telling me so. I'm trying to set up a Real-Time Chat session with as many BeeKeepers as possible. If you don't have any of the above but would like to take part, go to http://www.mirc.co.uk and download mIRC. Once you have done that mail me and I'll set up a meetong in a few days. Hope you can all do it =] Kevin O'Regan. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Dec 9 11:57:57 EST 1996 Article: 6195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Two-queen hive - has anyone tried this layout? Date: Mon, 25 Nov 96 12:07:02 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 110 Message-ID: <1784AAA6CS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) writes: > >In article , >owenathome@rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) wrote: > >> I've always liked the idea of a 2-queen hive, .... > > Regarding the 2-queen arrangement for comb honey -- > > One way this is accomplished by some is to have two single-story brood > nests right up next to each other, side by side on a stand. The > entrances can point in opposite directions. A queen excluder is layed > on across both boxes in the middle (halfway covering each box), and > supers are added above this. The exposed portions of the brood > chambers (on either side of the excluder and super stack) are covered > with simple board lids... I have not tried this particular method, but it seems like yet another workable plan, with an advantage that the height of the 2Q hive is reduced by one brood chamber. The advantage of Taylor's method with two queens in a single brood chamber bisected by a separator board is that there are only 4 deep frames available to each queen, so almost the entire frame surface is used for brood rearing and honey stores are limited to the comb section supers. Another advantage is that brood is raised in standard deep frames vs shallow frames used in the shook swarm procedure. > I used to run a dozen or so colonies in 2-q fashion, one brood box per > queen, single excluder between, ... but the work was too much, I have to concur with this. The harvest from a two queen hive is truly amazing (in these parts), but upon final assessment, the work involved to get those impressive harvests is greater than that involved to get two smaller harvests from two single hives. It's true that the total >from one 2Q colony is far greater than the sum from the two singles, but I've decided that the extra work is not proportional to the extra yield. Your results may vary. > Shook swarming two colonies into a single (portioned-off) brood > chamber seems like much more work compared to the simple horizontal- > 2-hives mentioned above, and part of each queen's potential is more or > less wasted (what do you think?). My results from shook swarming > (though not quite this manner) have been sadly disappointing, > regardless of Dr. Taylor's promotional pitches and promising > descriptions. Taylor himself admits that a double shook swarm is a lot of work. In the final chapter of his book he writes that as time marches on he is less inclined to do the manipulations he describes in his book and more inclined to simply let the bees do what bees will do when left to their own devices. However, I've had very good results using both the shook swarming method he describes (which usually guarantees 3 round comb supers of blue ribbon quality) and I've had VERY good results following Killion's methods (usually guarantees 5 round comb supers), but talk about extra work! I have not tried, hence cannot speak about results from Taylor's described double shook swarm method. But before time marches past me, I'll give it a try. As far as wasted potential of the queens who have only four frames for brood production, well I guess that's so. But such a setup would be made around June 1 in these parts for a flow that lasts 6 to 8 weeks, after which time the beekeeper's concern shifts from comb production to rearranging the production unit so it will overwinter. This usually means combining the comb production hive with another colony if the production unit was a single hive in a single brood chamber, or allowing the colonies in each half of the double shook swarm to build up as nucs to overwinter on top of another colony. If these nucs can be successfully overwintered then final assessment of wasted potential must be weighed against the section harvest plus nucs the following spring, in which case I don't mind the wasted potential. > The big field force in a shook swarm only lasts so long (!), and soon > the foundation in the brood nest is drawn and the bees settle down to > raising brood, which requires a great deal of nectar and pollen. Work > in the supers slows way down, and you may wish you had kept them as > "normal" separate colonies after all! Of course, the weather is a > factor as well. Yes, the field force from the shook swarm lasts only so long, but you shake more than just field bees into the shook swarm. Virtually all field bees stay with the shook swarm by virtue of leaving the shook swarm at the original location. However, young bees are also part of the shook swarm and these bees join the field force at the height of the honey flow. If timed correctly, the slow down in the supers coincides with the end of the honey flow and the shift in concerns from production to build up for overwintering, so having the bees shift from honey production to brood rearing is just what you want! Working with the bees, the solution is to pull the supers. Hopefully the beekeeper provided just enough supers for the bees to fill and there aren't any half or poorly filled sections. This is a rare occasion when it's better to err on the side of too little than too much. The "great deal of nectar and pollen" needed for brood rearing comes with the fall flow. Readers should note that Joel and I are relatively close geographically - approximately 150 miles between us east to west and 100 miles north to south, so seasonal conditions are nearly the same. Joel experiences more influence from the Great Lakes and I am closer to the Adirondack Mountains, but we are both considered "upstate" New York. According to _The_Hive_and_the_Honeybee_, two queen management techniques are not suited to all locations, but are best suited for temperate climates with short but intense honey flows. That makes upstate NY an ideal candidate for such techniques. As always, your results may vary. Aaron Morris - thinking it's gonna be a long winter! 2 inches of snow this am - took over an hour to make a 20 minute drive to work :( Time to sharpen those skis! From Graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Mon Dec 9 11:57:58 EST 1996 Article: 6196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham & Annie Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Two-queen hive - has anyone tried this layout? Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 20:17:57 +0000 Organization: at Home Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.11 <4kfRstUjpAfZ$4zJ9V8r4W5d$4> In article , Joel Govostes writes >In article , >owenathome@rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) wrote: > >> I've always liked the idea of a 2-queen hive, but the thing that put me >> off was the height of the stack (with the necessity of taking it to bits >> if you want to look at the brood boxes). It just occurred to me that it >> could be done in a side-by-side arrangement (with one large baseboard) >> with a channel between the two hives containing a narrow queen excluder. >...> Iv'e tried something very similiar in recent years, one major problem seems to be getting the virility of the two queens matched. If the queens are not sisters of the same age then you are likely to find that one half dwindles and is eventually robbed out. Even if matched the arrangement seems to be inherently unstable. You can't always beat nature but it can be fun trying. :-) bye Graham Law GCLaw@gandboss.demon.co.uk Leicestershire (about 100miles north of London) UK "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Logie Baird 1929 From quiroz@labna.itmerida.mx Mon Dec 9 11:57:59 EST 1996 Article: 6197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.tamu.edu!news.mty.itesm.mx!news From: quiroz@labna.itmerida.mx (Francisco R. Quiroz Figueroa) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: xxxxxxxxxxxx Exportamos Hortalizas xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 23:31:08 GMT Organization: ITMerida Lines: 3 Message-ID: <57daiu$gk5@news.mty.itesm.mx> References: <01bbd964$8aad70c0$LocalHost@olgasltelebase> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.34.128.193 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:4068 alt.agriculture.misc:6594 sci.agriculture:16381 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:6197 sci.agriculture.fruit:358 sci.agriculture.poultry:1571 sci.agriculture.ratites:543 estoy interesado...mi correo es quiroz@labna.itmerida.mx From moroney@world.std.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:00 EST 1996 Article: 6198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!news.starnet.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: ANP INSERTS Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <54otrj$qag@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <19961118005000.TAA17116@ladder01.news.aol.com> <3290AA90.A39@earthlink.net> <329927D4.42A5@concentric.net> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 04:52:39 GMT Lines: 12 Bill Wallace` writes: >> > What are ANP INSERTS? And how do you use them? >> >> They are a plastic brood comb with tapered cell walls such that the bottoms >But what does anp stand for ???? No idea. -Mike From trick@indigo.ie Mon Dec 9 11:58:01 EST 1996 Article: 6199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.indigo.ie!usenet From: Kevin O'Regan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Chat on mIRC Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 19:35:40 -0800 Organization: Indigo Lines: 6 Message-ID: <329BB70C.538B@indigo.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts16-11.dublin.indigo.ie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I; 16bit) Hey again all, If any of you have mIRC or access to IRC, I'm holding a chat session tomorrow at about umm... 3-4:00EST 8:00GMT. Hope to see you all there!!! (the server is us.undernet.org on channel #beekeeping) Kevin O'Regan From qualrite@aol.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:02 EST 1996 Article: 6200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: qualrite@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ANP INSERTS Date: 26 Nov 1996 23:28:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <19961126233000.SAA16579@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com ANP = Apis Nova Products a German Company From pjmurphy@mpx.com.au Mon Dec 9 11:58:03 EST 1996 Article: 6201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!news From: pjmurphy@mpx.com.au (Peter Murphy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Two-queen hive - has anyone tried this layout? Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 00:25:35 GMT Organization: Microplex Pty Ltd Lines: 32 Message-ID: <57fud8$9l1@inferno.mpx.com.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.17.139.80 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 owenathome@rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) wrote: >I've always liked the idea of a 2-queen hive, but the thing that put me >off was the height of the stack (with the necessity of taking it to bits >if you want to look at the brood boxes). It just occurred to me that it >could be done in a side-by-side arrangement (with one large baseboard) >with a channel between the two hives containing a narrow queen excluder. >Obviously this wouldn't be very wonderful for migratory beekeeping, but >otherwise looks an ideal arrangement. As there's almost nothing new under >the sun with beekeeping, has anyone heard of this being used/tried? >If not, I hereby declare it's called the Watson hive 8-> >and I'll make it myself! Owen, we are running six hives along the lines you proposed this season in an attempt to get large populations in spite of chalkbrood. We use a double brood chamber with a one inch (or thereabouts) wooden divider, which effectively gives us two eight frame hives working to common honey supers. We have entrances to each section facing opposite directions. So far we have not found them any more trouble than the standard hive although one became so strong both sides swarmed in September! It has collected 3 boxes of honey since. We run all our nucs in divided 10 frame boxes, four frames a side and if the season is a cracker we can just pop a honey super above an excluder for some bonus honey. These nucs overwinter very well in our area, Northern NSW. A friend who runs 12 frame equipment divided all his bottoms and has a queen in each side with both entrances to the front he claims queen loss is not significant but I have heard from others that queens sometimes come out and go into the other half with bad results! From peterh@humbhony.demon.co.uk Mon Dec 9 11:58:04 EST 1996 Article: 6202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!lynx.unm.edu!pr1.plk.af.mil!tesuque.cs.sandia.gov!sloth.swcp.com!news.ironhorse.com!op.net!news.mathworks.com!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!humbhony.demon.co.uk!peterh From: Peter Hill Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wasps chewing up hives? Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 19:41:27 +0000 Organization: Grimsby BKA Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: humbhony.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: humbhony.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.00 <0VXKDxOCdCw8hY2Zs2ctZa7MCr> While tidying up for the winter season (here in the northern hemisphere) we have noticed a lot of apparent chewing by wasps on the outside of hives. Not enough to cause serious damage (in one season anyway) but enough to cause concern long-term. The hives are of both ordinary Softwood (pine) and of Western Red Cedar. We have not noticed anything around in the summer and autumn (fall) except the usual lot of vespula vulgaris doing their vulgar best to rob. Please can anyone comment as to whether this is something we just put up with, or is there a treatment for the outside of the hives which will discourage vespula but not affect apis. We do not normally treat the outsides of the hives, but paint each roof. Many TIA. -- Peter Hill, Grimsby and District BKA, Grimsby, England. G7IOY peterh@humbhony.demon.co.uk From knybakke@nuhill.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:05 EST 1996 Article: 6203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.flint.umich.edu!news.gmi.edu!msunews!agate!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!skypoint.com!usenet From: Keith Nybakke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Varieties Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:22:16 -0500 Organization: Nuhill Technologies, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <329BC1F9.6FB@nuhill.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial282.skypoint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) I have been studying beekeeping in preparation for going into beekeeping as a hobby. My location will be western Minnesota. I would like to keep only 2-3 hives, wintering them outdoors and taking only as much honey as the bees can easily spare. So far, I have gotten excellent information from this forum, as well as many other sources. However... What are your thoughts on bee varieties? There is silence on this, from what I can see. The books refer to three varieties plus hybrids. The Italian strain and the Caucasion strain both seem appropriate for my intentions. The hybrids seem attractive, but I know almost nothing about them. This is a topic that I find very interesting. Is it a topic of discussion among experienced beekeepers? I appreciate any info. Thanks, Keith From nobody@email.usps.gov Mon Dec 9 11:58:06 EST 1996 Article: 6204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.usps.gov!news From: New User Newsgroups: alt.binaries.bbs.renegade,alt.chess.bdg,comp.sys.be,alt.music.beach-boys,alt.culture.beaches,rec.crafts.beads,alt.tv.beakmans-world,alt.animals.bears,alt.sex.bears,alt.music.beastie-boys,alt.books.beatgeneration,rec.music.beatles,alt.tv.beauty+beast,alt.canadian.beaver,alt.religon.beavis-n-butthead,alt.tv.beavis-n-butthead,alt.music.beck,alt.music.beckley-bunnel,alt.music.bee-gees,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.bbs.beeline,alt.sex.beer-bottle,alt.music.beethoven,alt.music.bela-fleck,ann.politiek.belgie,soc.culture.belgium,alt.fan.ben-elton,alt.sex.ben-mesander,alt.fan.ben-norwood,soc.genealogy.benelux,soc.culture.bengali,soc.culture.berber,alt.humor.best-of-usenet.d,alt.sex.bestiality,alt.sex.bestiality.barney,alt.sex.bestiality.hamster.duct-tape,alt.sex.bestiality.pictures,comp.lang.beta,alt.org.beta-sigma-phi,alt.fan.bgcrisis,alt.tv.bh90210,alt.personals.bi,triangle.personals.bi Subject: Re: Just try this, it will work Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:21:13 -0500 Organization: United States Postal Service Lines: 15 Message-ID: <329B4329.6C84@email.usps.gov> References: <242.896244412754@news.nemonet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 56.64.29.70 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu alt.binaries.bbs.renegade:990 alt.chess.bdg:624 comp.sys.be:18265 alt.music.beach-boys:3053 alt.culture.beaches:1080 rec.crafts.beads:11550 alt.tv.beakmans-world:4410 alt.animals.bears:709 alt.sex.bears:14582 alt.music.beastie-boys:17134 alt.books.beatgeneration:3548 rec.music.beatles:197488 alt.tv.beauty+beast:200 alt.canadian.beaver:4140 alt.religon.beavis-n-butthead:275 alt.tv.beavis-n-butthead:44942 alt.music.beck:4900 alt.music.beckley-bunnel:112 alt.music.bee-gees:794 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:6204 alt.music.beethoven:239 alt.music.bela-fleck:7007 soc.culture.belgium:48934 alt.fan.ben-elton:64 alt.sex.ben-mesander:502 alt.fan.ben-norwood:41 soc.genealogy.benelux:5465 soc.culture.bengali:41986 soc.culture.berber:4403 alt.humor.best-of-usenet.d:2992 alt.sex.bestiality:51088 alt.sex.bestiality.barney:5042 alt.sex.bestiality.hamster.duct-tape:1620 alt.sex.bestiality.pictures:1422 comp.lang.beta:751 alt.org.beta-sigma-phi:633 alt.fan.bgcrisis:6656 alt.tv.bh90210:39258 alt.personals.bi:56684 triangle.personals.bi:184 Stephen Boltinghouse wrote: >.....because $5 is all anyone ever invests in >this system. Period. That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet >their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe, >legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps: > STEP 1. >Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five pieces >of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST."(In >this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone;you're paying for >a legitimate service.) ....WRONG! Don't kid yourselves folks. This is a chain letter. This "legitimate service" BS is nonsense. Chain letters are a scam, only the first 2 or three participants make any money. Not only that, but they are illegal, PERIOD. Depending on how much money the originator makes off the scam, they can even be a FELONY! Don't fall for this crap!!! From jwg6@cornell.edu Mon Dec 9 11:58:07 EST 1996 Article: 6205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!uky.edu!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!EU.net!howland.erols.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1412.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ....Another KTBH question Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:08:00 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 36 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <19961124141900.JAA18549@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1412.cit.cornell.edu In article <19961124141900.JAA18549@ladder01.news.aol.com>, jchenry500@aol.com wrote: > 1) Do you put ANY foundation in the hive? If not, how do they know that > you want it centered on the top boards etc. I realize that when you > remove honey you should leave some comb as a quide. No full sheets of foundation. Rather a strip of foundation hanging down >from the center line of each top bar. Similarly, a bead of beeswax or a thin strip of wood, coated with beeswax, will guide the bees to build their combs straight and centered along each top bar. Some users bevel the bottom surface of each top bar into a "V" shape to further encourage the bees to build the combs straight along each bar. > > 2) What would make a Queen/package want to stay in a TBH if it starts > out as just a hollow box with no foundation, brood, etc. Bees are not attracted to foundation, either, per se. What homeless bees are looking for is a dark, dry cavity with an entrance,in which to build a nest, and a top-bar hive fulfills this requirement as well as a frame hive. So does a hollow tree or wooden barrel. Bees installed in a top-bar hives should be fed sugar syrup, just like bees hived on frames with foundation, to keep them producing wax and building comb. They will just as soon draw natural comb from top-bars as they would from foundation. To "encourage" straight, removeable combs, each bar can be provided with a guide strip of foundation or beeswax, as mentioned previously. > > 3) How about feeding, esp Fumidil, as there is no place to put a feeder > which wouldn't incite robbing. Others using such hives have devised simple methods of setting a feeder into the hive where the bees can access it easily. Or, an external feeder would be simple to supply as well. > > Thnks > Charles Henry From jmccrory@buncombe.main.nc.us Mon Dec 9 11:58:08 EST 1996 Article: 6206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!imci5!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.new-era.net!jmccrory From: jmccrory@buncombe.main.nc.us (Julia McCrory) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee jokes Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:28:33 -0400 Organization: Mountain Area Information Network Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp0.buncombe.main.nc.us Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.3.0 Why was the bee mad at the beekeeper? Well, you would be too, if he stole your honey and nectar (necked her). From beecrofter@aol.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:09 EST 1996 Article: 6207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Varieties Date: 27 Nov 1996 17:55:54 GMT Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) (1.13) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <19961127175700.MAA00950@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <329BC1F9.6FB@nuhill.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader As a hobby beekeeper (as in food on the table is not dependant on production) I am using a shotgun approach to what variety I will end up with. I have carnolians , italians, buckfast, and hybrids In the spring I make my divisions from the strongest survivors in the fall I requeen from nukes that were raised from the best producers I move my nasty bees to the out apiary that is most rural and don't make splits or nukes from them. In the long run I think I will end up with gentle bees that produce well and winter strong.. Tom From biojdsx@panther.Gsu.EDU Mon Dec 9 11:58:10 EST 1996 Article: 6208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!news2.acs.oakland.edu!news.tacom.army.mil!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!arachnid.gsu.edu!panther.Gsu.EDU!biojdsx From: James D Satterfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ....Another KTBH question Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:46:47 -0500 Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <19961124141900.JAA18549@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.1.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: jchenry500@aol.com In-Reply-To: <19961124141900.JAA18549@ladder01.news.aol.com> On 24 Nov 1996 jchenry500@aol.com wrote: > 1) Do you put ANY foundation in the hive? If not, how do they know that > you want it centered on the top boards etc. I realize that when you > remove honey you should leave some comb as a quide. Yes, put a strip of some type of foundation about 2cm wide in the center of the top bars. The foundation can be waxed into a groove very easily. You can use a strip sliced from bought foundation...use scissors heated in boiling water if you want a really neat slicer. Or you can dip brown paper from a grocery bag into melted beeswax and cut it into strips. I also make sheets of wax and cut the sheet into strips. Joel G. spoke of someone dipping twine into beeswax and sticking it to the center of the tb to give the ridge for building. > > 2) What would make a Queen/package want to stay in a TBH if it starts > out as just a hollow box with no foundation, brood, etc. I don't think much of anything would. You'd be better off if you had a drawn comb to put in, but if you have foundation strips and a feeder jar, things go pretty well. > 3) How about feeding, esp Fumidil, as there is no place to put a feeder > which wouldn't incite robbing. Ah, but here is the beauty of a tbh. There *is* a place to put a feeder. Put a quart jar or jars *inside* the hive. Let them rest on strips of wood about a half inch thick and the bees can get under the jar to holes punched in the lid. Baggie feeds also work well just flat on the floor. All of this is possible since there are no frames. Cordially yours, Jim --------------------------------------------------------------- | James D. Satterfield | E-Mail: jsatt@gsu.edu | | -------------------------------- | 258 Ridge Pine Drive Canton is about 40 mi/64 km | | Canton, GA 30114, USA north of Atlanta, Georgia USA | | Telephone (770) 479-4784 | --------------------------------------------------------------- From watchman@CUPID.COM Mon Dec 9 11:58:12 EST 1996 Article: 6211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!News.LiveNet.Net!CUPID.COM From: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 15:02:14 -0500 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wouldn't eat the grea Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: CUPID.COM X-MajorTCP-Version: MajorTCP/IP [2.00-8] Lines: 50 -=> Quoting Int:sysam@uacsc2.albany.e to ** All ** <=- >In article <328B5C81.397A@manageable.com>, > Nate Saal wrote: >>Maybe someone knows why my bees didn't like the grease patties I made up >>for them. > In> Allen Dick answered: >Contrary to what many think, the bees are not supposed to *eat* the patties. >They are rather expected to remove tham over time, exposing themeselves to >the grease and the drug. > In> In> Well, I'm not sure that if patties are eaten or carried away, but I In> have noted that grease only patties are consumed or removed faster than In> grease patties with TM. I assumed it was a seasonal thing because TM In> patties are only in my hives early spring or late fall (cool, no flow, In> periods of dearth) whereas grease patties are in at the hight of In> activity (warm, honey flow in progress, high and active population). In> However, I attended a seminar two weeks ago where the speaker asked if In> anyone had ever tasted a TM pattie. No hands went up and I thought In> with all the cautions about keeping TM out of the honey crop, why would In> anyone in their right mind ever taste a TM pattie? But the speaker In> stated that TM patties are very bitter, hence bees are reluctant to In> eat (or remove) them, although they will over time. In> In> As an afterthought it occured to me that tasting a TM pattie should In> not be such a surprising concept. After all, what beekeeper is in In> their right mind? ;) In> /Aa Hi! You may already know this but... The people here that have used the patties have had a noted better success when they mix the Crisco and TM with either Domino 10X confectioners sugar or a bit of honey. I haven't done this yet myself so I have no idea what proportions they are using. I do know that the TM is mixed in in the usual way and then a portion of the honey or sugar is added... Dronebee@norfolk.infi.net (Dr. Rodriguez) has used this on his hives before and could tell you what portions he uses... Hope this helps, Carl Powell Watchman@quick.net ... He who dies with the most TAGLINES wins! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 From watchman@CUPID.COM Mon Dec 9 11:58:13 EST 1996 Article: 6212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!News.LiveNet.Net!CUPID.COM From: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 15:01:56 -0500 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pitful Sight Update Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: CUPID.COM X-MajorTCP-Version: MajorTCP/IP [2.00-8] Lines: 27 -=> Quoting Int:beeman52@worldnet.att to ** All ** <=- In> Just got a report back on my bees I sent off to have checked. Did In> not find anything and was even free of tracheal mites. Looks like my In> bees were done in by Varroa. I must have started the Wintergreen to In> late. I have Apistan strips on now and they are holding their own In> with piles of Mites on the sticky boards. I may try a couple hives In> next year but will sure start earlier in the fall. I thank everybody In> that has input on this subject as this is the only way we will learn. In> Ken Lawrence Hi! I and my friends at the Tidewater Beekeepers Association have been discussing this in our last couple of meetings. Could you fill me in on the details of when you applied the Wintergreen as to how long before you had your die off and what method of introduction you were using? If I've asked you this before I apologise. I get forgetful of who I've asked what sometimes... Thank You, Carl Powell Watchman@quick.net ... A unicorn is nothing more, nothing less, than a horny horse. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 From watchman@CUPID.COM Mon Dec 9 11:58:14 EST 1996 Article: 6213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!News.LiveNet.Net!CUPID.COM From: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 15:02:26 -0500 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee venom literature Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: CUPID.COM X-MajorTCP-Version: MajorTCP/IP [2.00-8] Lines: 19 Hi! I would like to recieve a copy of your catalog. Here is my snail mail address..... Carl Powell 214 #69 Wythe Creek Rd. Poquoson, Virginia 23662 ... or if you have it online you can e-mail it to me here. Thanks, Carl Watchman@qwick.net ... Bad Borg Bad Borg Whatcha gonna do when they assimilate you... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon Dec 9 11:58:15 EST 1996 Article: 6214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: dvisrael Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Varieties Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:54:52 -0600 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <329D1B1C.5B97@earthlink.net> References: <329BC1F9.6FB@nuhill.com> <19961127175700.MAA00950@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust107.max5.raleigh.nc.ms.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) To: beecrofter@aol.com beecrofter@aol.com wrote: > > As a hobby beekeeper (as in food on the table is not dependant on > production) I am using a shotgun approach to what variety I will end up > with. > I have carnolians , italians, buckfast, and hybrids > In the spring I make my divisions from the strongest survivors > in the fall I requeen from nukes that were raised from the best producers > I move my nasty bees to the out apiary that is most rural and don't make > splits or nukes from them. > In the long run I think I will end up with gentle bees that produce well > and winter strong.. > > Tom Sounds like a lot of work (guesswork too) to me. Do you have any scientific data? Where do you get your queens or do you let them do their own thing? I order my queens from someont that has already done all the work and have gentle good producing bees, I hope. My two hives that did so well last year were 1995 swarms that did their own thing. They still have the same queens. I have four hives with store bought queens. I see what happens and post it here next year. Good luck and keep us posted. Buzzing to be your friend, don From alan.craig@durham.ac.uk Mon Dec 9 11:58:16 EST 1996 Article: 6215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!strath-cs!nntphost.dur.ac.uk!nntp From: Alan Craig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee jokes Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 13:52:02 +0000 Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <329D9902.2781E494@durham.ac.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: noether.dur.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) Joel Govostes wrote: > > Wasn't there one about bees flying backwards? Can't remember it now Zzub, Zzub..... From beeman10@aol.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:17 EST 1996 Article: 6216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beeman10@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasps chewing up hives? Date: 28 Nov 1996 15:36:47 GMT Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) (1.13) Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19961128153800.KAA20788@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader The wasps in my area of NY usually do not touch painted areas of the hives but they will go after aged, noncoated wood. I have seldon seen them attack new wood but older wood seems to be attractive to them From richard_phan@hp.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:18 EST 1996 Article: 6217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.corp.hp.com!isonews.bbn.hp.com!news From: Richard Phan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: .jpg IMAGES of bees ? Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 14:45:44 -0500 Organization: HP Grenoble Lines: 16 Message-ID: <329DEBE8.2DD2@hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: filus83.grenoble.hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Hi all beekeepers, I'm looking for free jpg or gif pictures representing a bee, or several ones in great detail. I plan to put those pictures on my personal web page currently under construction. Thanks to e-mail your hints / answers to my mailbox directly ! -- Richard Phan richard_phan@hp.com From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:19 EST 1996 Article: 6218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Disappearing Wild Bees? Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 01:22:00 GMT Message-ID: <961127182439449@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 91 ---------------------------------------- Hi Jim, Greeting of the Season! JG>I attended a program today in Rock Springs, Wyoming. The speaker was >telling about the sad enviromental outlook for good old Earth. During the >presentation the speaker stated that last summer (summer of 96) NO WILD BEES >had been found by scientists in ANY OF THE 50 STATES! Just is not true. Wild bee populations and wild honeybee populations are subject to dramatic fluctuations in populations, but most of these are not a problem. JG>I've been scanning the web searching for information to back up this >statement. So far I have found nothing that supports this statement. In the north east there was a paper at one of the universities that said wild honeybee populations were done in a survey they did, but it must remember that there were no back ground or base line surveys to base such statements on and they are of little value or merit other then to generate hysteria among the people in hopes of funding for more research. JG>I am an avid gardener (no simple chore in the state of Wyoming), in my >garden this past summer I had the usual honey bees doing their thing just as >they always have. I realize there are many species of bees and I am no >expert. I asked our local science teacher - he takes care of the park in >our town. He does know about bees and he is sure he saw the usual bees this >past year and he has heard about the various mite,parasite, and African bee >problems but nothing about wild bees disappearing . Good point, and more then that the production of most foods that depends on bees was unchanged over the year before yields, except in the areas that had weather problems. JG>My question is this - ARE ALL THE WILD HONEY BEES GONE? IS THERE A HUGE >PROBLEM WITH THE WILD BEE POPULATION? NO, the wild honeybees are not gone. There populations have been dropping for years because of many reasons, mostly related to nesting sites, year around bee food plants, and changing beekeeping management. There is and never was a "wild honeybee" population in the America's. The so called "feral" or wild honeybee are escaped hive bees, and their populations depend on how successful the work of the beekeeper is who see's his job at keeping his own bees from becoming wild or feral through swarming and does everything to prevent this. The biggest change in my lifetime as a beekeeper, (40+ years), is that swarming is not the problem it once was to beekeepers. We have learned how to control it through better stock replacement and better beekeeping practice. Much of the US and Canada suffered a late winter and cold spring last year and this alone took it's tole in honeybees that did not survive the winter. Most of these losses were made up by the beekeepers last summer and numbers are back to normal. The results of this also was less swarming and less bees escaping to the wild. The long range trend in the number of honeybees does show a decline. The reason for this is the same as in all agriculture, beekeepers are getting older and new one's are not replacing them. Beekeeping is a lot of hard work, requires some skill, and does not pay well even with honey selling a all time record highs it is not as good today being a beekeeper as say 40 or 50 years ago. >I teach and I want to make sure the students were given correct information >and I would like to know if the bees I'm seeing are not wild. (Our small >town is located in the middle of the Red Desert and no one around for 70 >miles keeps bees). I bet there is a least one person who does. I am not sure where Red Desert is, but I have never found a place in the US that some beekeeper did not know about if it has any flowers at all. In any case before European man made his home in the US there were NO honeybees, and tomorrow we celebrate Thanks Giving because of the relief provided to these early visitors by the American native's who did well enough without honeybees to share with them their food. And they did not have honey to sweeten their food, or beeswax candles to chase the darkness away. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- QMPro 1.53 "Where there is honey, there are beekeepers" From Scorps1@phc.net Mon Dec 9 11:58:20 EST 1996 Article: 6219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.zeitgeist.net!phcomm2.phc.net!phc-107.phc.net!user From: Scorps1@phc.net (Scott Lancaster) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,misc.test,alt.flame Subject: Re: [M]Equal and opposite idiots (was Re: Animal Rightests in Chinatown) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:15:13 -0800 Organization: South Bay Tortoise Rehabilitation Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <3296B3BB.2342@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.14.182.107 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:6219 misc.test:176970 alt.flame:317557 Look.....Doug..... If you want to reply to a post, include the original text. Not _your_ version of it. BTW, what does beekeeping, misc.test and the flame group have to do with this? You are just about as bad as the other jerks who did this before. Scott Lancaster In article , henke@ayesha.krall.org (Douglas G. Henke) wrote: --->In , Scorps1@phc.net --->(Annie [ostensibly "Scott"] Lancaster) wrote: --->> [ Vehement defense of poor li'l Annie, from what one can only assume --->> was a particularly effective attempt to get her metaphorical goat. --->> Post is remarkable only for a marked lack of rhetorical panache, and --->> the Lawsuit Threat[tm], which is about as close as you can get to --->> an unqualified admission of defeat on Usenet without mentioning H*tler.] ---> --->In , bhatch@netcom.com (Roberta "Booby" Hatch) --->wrote: --->> [ A more-or-less pedestrian rendition of the ANSI standard pedophilia --->> flame, apropos of nothing. The old "followup-to-misc.test" trick lends --->> a certain rustic, nostalgic charm to what is otherwise an extravagantly --->> mediocre showing.] ---> --->While I'm sure this is all wildly entertaining, it has gotten a little far --->afield of the topic of this 'froup. Do you kids think you might possibly be --->able to take your little lovers' spat to email? Failing that, how about at --->least trying to write something vile enough to inspire interest? ---> --->Or just grab some ball-bats and settle it like real women, men and biker- --->dykes, respectively. I'll put ten bucks on Bobby, if anyone wants to give --->me decent odds. Followups. ---> --->- - --->Headers are munged to prevent email spam. Address is henke at phoenix dot net. -- Annie South Bay Tortoise Rehabilitation ##################################################################### Be kind to tortoises, for beneath the hard shell lies a soft heart. ##################################################################### Boycott Sweden! RIP little Russians:( Thank you SAS Airlines, for your kind offer to fly these animals to safety...DO NOT BOYCOTT SAS. ##################################################################### From Scorps1@phc.net Mon Dec 9 11:58:21 EST 1996 Article: 6220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.zeitgeist.net!phcomm2.phc.net!phc-107.phc.net!user From: Scorps1@phc.net (Scott Lancaster) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,misc.test,alt.flame Subject: kill thread Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:22:14 -0800 Organization: South Bay Tortoise Rehabilitation Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <3296B3BB.2342@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.14.182.107 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:6220 misc.test:176976 alt.flame:317566 kill thread. -- Annie South Bay Tortoise Rehabilitation ##################################################################### Be kind to tortoises, for beneath the hard shell lies a soft heart. ##################################################################### Boycott Sweden! RIP little Russians:( Thank you SAS Airlines, for your kind offer to fly these animals to safety...DO NOT BOYCOTT SAS. ##################################################################### From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:22 EST 1996 Article: 6221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.edu.tw!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SUPERS NEEDED Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 00:18:00 GMT Message-ID: <961129171939452@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 21 *FYI*Cross posted from the APIS List for those US that may be interested. Sorry to the rest of the beekeepers who can not help. ---------------------------------------- From: Betty J Cox To: Multiple recipients of list APIS-L Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 15:13:22 -0500 Subject: SUPERS NEEDED Wanted - 5 3/4" supers with drawn comb in good/excellent condition. Call Samuel Cox in North Carolina at 919-482-8749. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Betty J Cox | "Let your arithmetic be at E-Mail : bcox@chowan | its best when counting Internet: bcox@chowan.ces.ncsu.edu | blessings." Phone : 919-482-8431 | FAX : 919-482-0126 | --Borrowed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- QMPro 1.53 Santa on the Web From parker@airtime.co.uk Mon Dec 9 11:58:23 EST 1996 Article: 6222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!bowl.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.airtime.co.uk!usenet From: Chris Parker Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Anyone have Modified Dadant plans ? Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 17:26:30 +0000 Organization: None Specified Lines: 12 Message-ID: <32A06E46.3410@airtime.co.uk> Reply-To: parker@airtime.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: parker.airtime.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) I'm trying to find plans to construct a "Modified Dadant" Hive. Can anyone help me, or tell me where I can find these ? I've just been to the National Honey Show in London, but was unable to locate any plans there ! thanks Chris From jwg6@cornell.edu Mon Dec 9 11:58:24 EST 1996 Article: 6223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1003.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone have Modified Dadant plans ? Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 15:10:54 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 39 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <32A06E46.3410@airtime.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1003.cit.cornell.edu In article <32A06E46.3410@airtime.co.uk>, parker@airtime.co.uk wrote: > I'm trying to find plans to construct a "Modified Dadant" Hive. > > Can anyone help me, or tell me where I can find these ? > > I've just been to the National Honey Show in London, but was unable to > locate any plans there ! > > > thanks > > > Chris In the 60's or early 70's Francis Smith wrote a couple of books which were beekeeping manuals for the tropics. He was working in what is now Tanzania, I believe. Anyway, the title is BEEKEEPING IN THE TROPICS on both, though one edition is more extensive. I'm thinking they were published in UK and so may be available at your local library. Dr. Smith (please, anyone, correct me if I have the author confused) recommended the Modified Dadant hive emphatically. The dimensions and detailed drawings of its design and construction are included in those books. Note, however, that he changed the brood frame spacing to 1 3/8" (center-center) for the African bees. With European bees the standard frame spacing in a M.D. hive is 1.5" on centers. The books also include dimensions, drawings, etc. for the 6 5/8" honey super with Manley closed-end frames, to be used above the M.D. brood box. The M.D. is advantageous in that the entire colony is in one big box which can conveniently be transported. The broad and deep combs allow the queen to maintain a compact, unbroken brood pattern. The management of such a colony is thus considerably simplified over multiple-brood-box systems. Smith illustrates well the management required with both methods, with cross-sectional colony diagrams. Good luck, JWG From jwg6@cornell.edu Mon Dec 9 11:58:25 EST 1996 Article: 6224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1003.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Star Trek movie.... Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 15:20:46 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 6 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <57a1ra$qso@library.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1003.cit.cornell.edu According to my nerdy Star-Trekkie brother-in-law, the Borg society thing was post-Rodenbury, or at least not developed by Gene himself. From what I was told, it is a sort of group-consciousness thing, like we see evident in a bee colony. I must add that I've no idea what this is all about, but it sounds interesting. The trek-bug hasn't bit me as yet. The movie is very good from the comments I've heard. From eugenia@mail.wplus.net Mon Dec 9 11:58:26 EST 1996 Article: 6225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!194.87.0.28!demos!news.spb.su!news.wplus.spb.ru!usenet From: "Eugenia A. Gurina" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Productivity Date: 1 Dec 1996 13:31:26 GMT Organization: WEBplus Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bbdf85$5ee793e0$39a508c2@ip-0.wplus.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip57.wplus.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Hello everybody, I would be very much obliged if someone could explain me why American beekeepers have such high productivity and how they manage to work with so many (500-1000) bee families with so little employees. I am a beekeeper myself and I live in Russia, in Altai which is close to Russian-China border. I am interested in methods of beekeeping with high productivity and not many employees. Regards, Alexander From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Mon Dec 9 11:58:27 EST 1996 Article: 6227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!newspump.sol.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,misc.test,alt.flame Subject: Re: [M]Equal and opposite idiots (was Re: Animal Rightests in Chinatown) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 96 23:10:04 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 30 Message-ID: <57t6rs$nas@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <3296B3BB.2342@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp25.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:6227 misc.test:177068 alt.flame:318014 In article , Scorps1@phc.net (Scott Lancaster) wrote: >Look.....Doug..... >If you want to reply to a post, include the original text. Not _your_ >version of it. BTW, what does beekeeping, misc.test and the flame group >have to do with this? You are just about as bad as the other jerks who >did this before. I love it! Who says this group is dull? alt.flame and sci.agriculture.beekeeping crossposted with misc.test? WOW! What a blend. It's time we bug ranchers got A THRILL! :) (for the humour impaired). Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From tdufr1@aol.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:28 EST 1996 Article: 6228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tdufr1@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beeswax candle creations for sale Date: 2 Dec 1996 01:27:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19961202012900.UAA00656@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Over 30 varities available in all shapes and sizes in 43 different colors. For example, a pair of 8 inch tapers boxed for $6.00 retail (includes S&H) in honeycomb design. Solid rolled wax and crafted wax also available. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:29 EST 1996 Article: 6229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hp.fciencias.unam.mx!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!qualcomm.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Texas Reg's Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 02:09:00 GMT Message-ID: <961202072419457@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <1996Oct8.134204.86424@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 66 As Afro bees spread Texas continues it's own quarantine on bee movement which has not slowed down bee movement in to or out of Texas? Aug. 28, 1996 HENDERSON COUNTY QUARANTINED FOR AFRICANIZED BEES Writer: Kathleen Davis, (409) 845-2872, k-davis3@tamu.edu Contact: Paul Jackson, (409) 845-9721 COLLEGE STATION -- Henderson County on Wednesday was added to the state quarantine restricting the movement of commercial bee operations following the detection of Africanized honey bees there. Texas now has 88 counties quarantined for Africanized honey bees. The bees were found near Tool, north of Trinidad, by a beekeeper who was checking his hives. Apparently the Africanized honey bees had moved into an empty hive box, according to Paul Jackson, chief inspector for the Texas Apiary Inspection Service, a unit of the Texas Agricultural Experiment Station. A sample from that trap was analyzed at the Texas A&M Honey Bee Identification Lab in College Station and found to be Africanized. Jackson said an apiary inspector then took samples from various other hives in the area and all were found to be European, or regular domestic honey bees. Jackson noted that Navarro County, across the Trinity River from Henderson County, was quarantined for AHB earlier this year indicating that the bees are moving in that direction. He said the apiary inspection service has placed traps in that area to monitor movement. State bee inspectors continue to monitor a series of bee traplines that extend across the state from Louisiana to New Mexico, Jackson noted. The Africanized bee was first detected entering the United States near Brownsville in October 1990. Since then, the bee has spread through the southern half of the state, along a line roughly from south of Houston to Temple to Lamesa and El Paso. Africanized honey bees also have been found in Arizona, California and New Mexico. The quarantine allows beekeepers to move bee hives within but not out of the zone in an effort to prevent assisting the spread. Africanized honey bees look just like regular domestic honey bees but are more defensive in protecting their hives. ### Editor's Note: Here is the complete list of the 88 Texas counties under quarantine because of Africanized bee finds: Aransas, Atascosa, Austin, Bandera, Bastrop, Bee, Bell, Bexar, Brewster, Brooks, Caldwell, Calhoun, Cameron, Colorado, Comal, Crane, Crockett, Culberson, Dawson, De Witt, Dimmit, Duval, Ector, Edwards, El Paso, Falls, Fayette, Fort Bend, Frio, Glasscock, Goliad, Gonzales, Guadalupe, Hays, Henderson, Hidalgo, Hudspeth, Irion, Jackson, Jeff Davis, Jim Hogg, Jim Wells, Karnes, Kenedy, Kerr, Kimble, Kinney, Kleberg, La Salle, Lavaca, Limestone, Live Oak, Martin, Matagorda, Maverick, McLennan, McMullen, Medina, Menard, Midland, Milam, Navarro, Nueces, Pecos, Presidio, Reagan, Real, Refugio, San Patricio, Schleicher, Starr, Sutton, Terrell, Tom Green, Travis, Upton, Uvalde, Val Verde, Victoria, Ward, Washington, Webb, Wharton, Willacy, Williamson, Wilson, Zapata and Zavala. -30- --- QMPro 1.53 Vereniging tot Bevordering van de Bijenteelt From mpidjk@aol.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:30 EST 1996 Article: 6230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mpidjk@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extrator for Sale Date: 2 Dec 1996 16:29:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19961202163100.LAA15308@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com I have a 2 or 4 frame manual extrator for sale. It was used only 2-3 times. It's stainless stell and in excellent condition. I'm taking the best offer on it. Thanks! Please email or post with interest. From joemdd@harborcom.net Mon Dec 9 11:58:31 EST 1996 Article: 6231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hp.fciencias.unam.mx!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.erols.net!nntp.crl.com!news.ldl.net!news3.crl.com!nexp.crl.com!syix.com!bad-news.harborcom.net!usenet From: Joe Molnar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEE PHOTOGRAPHS Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 11:29:07 -0500 Organization: Molnar Digital Design, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <32A303D3.838@harborcom.net> Reply-To: joemdd@harborcom.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pve-pm2-47.harborcom.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) CC: mark@harborcom.net Good day ladies and/or gentlemen, Pardon the interuption. I don't know if this would be the correct forum for my request, but her goes anyhow. I am trying to track down various pictures of bees to incorporate in a web page design. The company that requested the bees is B&B DataLink -- cute huh? Is there any way that I can garner quite a few good images >from anyone, including a photo release permitting us to use the images. Or, can I get contact information for another individual, organization or company that I may be able to secure bee photographs from? We don't have a large budget, if any, for the images. However, we can post a photo credit with a link/contact to your site in return for the supplied images. Thank you for your time and consideration. Sincerely, Joe Molnar joemdd@harborcom.net http://www.molnardigital.com http://www.bblink.com From shimons@seliyahu.org.il Mon Dec 9 11:58:32 EST 1996 Article: 6232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hp.fciencias.unam.mx!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!info.ucla.edu!nnrp.info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!192.115.153.21!news.netmedia.net.il!not-for-mail From: Shimon Soreq Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New! Bumble bees in Israel Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 21:55:33 -0800 Organization: Sde Eliyahu Lines: 5 Message-ID: <32A3C0D4.6518@seliyahu.org.il> Reply-To: shimons@seliyahu.org.il NNTP-Posting-Host: cs32a14.netmedia.net.il Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; I) Israel`s biggest commercial grower of bumble bees is on the web Bio Bee of Kibbutz Sde Eliyahu http:\\www.seliyahu.org.il\bees.htm From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Dec 9 11:58:33 EST 1996 Article: 6233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.dra.com!news.he.net!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extrator for Sale Date: Mon, 02 Dec 96 15:17:13 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <17851D6FBS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19961202163100.LAA15308@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <19961202163100.LAA15308@ladder01.news.aol.com> mpidjk@aol.com writes: > >I have a 2 or 4 frame manual extrator for sale. It was used only 2-3 >times. It's stainless stell and in excellent condition. I'm taking the >best offer on it. Thanks! Please email or post with interest. Where are you located!?!?!? From AAEHEGV@snds.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:35 EST 1996 Article: 6234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hp.fciencias.unam.mx!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!news.apfel.de!nntp.zit.th-darmstadt.de!fu-berlin.de!news.coli.uni-sb.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news.dfn.de!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!venger.snds.com!usenet From: Gerry Visel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: .jpg IMAGES of bees ? Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 13:03:10 -0800 Organization: Sundstrand Corporation Lines: 4 Message-ID: <32A3440E.4469@snds.com> References: <329DEBE8.2DD2@hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aero.snds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) To: Richard Phan For more bee pix than your computer can handle, visit P-O Gustavson's homepage at http://www.kuai.se/~beeman/. They're great! From tdewan@aol.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:36 EST 1996 Article: 6235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tdewan@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: oldest living beekeeper Date: 3 Dec 1996 01:48:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19961203015000.UAA27391@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <19961121014900.UAA28633@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com ANNOUNCEMENT: Fred Hale, of South Portland, Maine, USA celebrated his 106 (!!!!) birthday on December 1, 1996.... and he's STILL keeping bees. He's been at it since he turned 18. Cumberland County Chapter of the Maine Beekeepers. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:37 EST 1996 Article: 6236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Minnesota Statutes 1996, 19.561 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 01:20:00 GMT Message-ID: <961202184716459@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 19 New Laws that will never bee enforceable.. Minnesota Statutes 1996, 19.561 Minnesota Statutes 1996, Table of Chapters Table of contents for Chapter 19 < 19.561 Africanized honeybees; possession. A beekeeper may not use a swarm of honeybees positively identified as being Africanized in a beekeeping operation. HIST: 1993 c 233 s 5 Copyright 1996 by the Office of Revisor of Statutes, State of Minnesota. --- QMPro 1.53 Imker, Bienenzuechter and Bienenvater From joebur@jersey.net Mon Dec 9 11:58:39 EST 1996 Article: 6237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!dciteleport.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!205.137.56.12!news.jersey.net!usenet From: Joe Josh Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers please Learn about Lyme disease Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 19:24:39 -0800 Organization: InterActive Network - Serving SNJ - SLIP/PPP/SHELL Lines: 14 Message-ID: <32A39D77.5879@jersey.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pipper98.jersey.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Dear friends, I'd like to mention that we are adding some more essential Lyme disease information to our site... Also, if you haven't visited our site, we strongly encourage you to do so... We have the leading experts on our site and you can "REALLY HEAR" what they have to say... You can then record their voices from our site on any cassette and play it back to your doctor, friends, and neighbors. visit us at: http://www.jersey.net/~joebur/newz.htm From b-man@aliens.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:40 EST 1996 Article: 6238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!news.dx.net!s207.aliens.com!user From: b-man@aliens.com (Kirk & Sharon Jones) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Texas Reg's Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 23:45:29 -0400 Organization: BeeDazzled Candleworks Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <1996Oct8.134204.86424@cc.usu.edu> <961202072419457@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s207.aliens.com In article <961202072419457@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > As Afro bees spread Texas continues it's own quarantine on bee movement > which has not slowed down bee movement in to or out of Texas? > > Aug. 28, 1996 > > HENDERSON COUNTY QUARANTINED FOR AFRICANIZED BEES What are the consequences for migratory beekeepers that are wintering in any of these areas? From b-man@aliens.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:41 EST 1996 Article: 6239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!news.dx.net!s207.aliens.com!user From: b-man@aliens.com (Kirk & Sharon Jones) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Anyone trying Pierco products? Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 23:53:41 -0400 Organization: BeeDazzled Candleworks Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: s207.aliens.com We are going to try some of the Pierco products and would appreciate any feedback from folks who have used them. I understand that they have improved the full frame unit and have yet another improvement coming down the pike(three weeks or so). We tried some of the waxed foundation this summer and it seemed ok, once the bees got crowded and worked it out. It seems quite bulletproof. Nick(manager) told me they are trying out green(for better wintering?) and black(for grafting) plastic foundation. I have gathered that it takes a good honeyflow or steady feeding to get a good draw on the foundation. Kirk From mikeph@hpcpbla.bri.hp.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:42 EST 1996 Article: 6240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hplntx!hplb!hpcpb!news From: Mike Pheysey Subject: Nick's List for BEE Surfe, DIY html list Sender: news@bri.hp.com (News User) Message-ID: <32A41373.1081@hpcpbla.bri.hp.com> Cc: nickw@wave.co.nz, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:48:03 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nntp-Posting-Host: harpo.bri.hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/715) Organization: Hewlett Packard Lines: 608 First of all thank you to Nick Wallingford and Andy Nachbaur for providing, between them, a superb compendium of bee websites. I started to save each address as an individual bookmark, but as they say, life's too short! For those amoungst us who wish to save that useful email for future browsing, I have copied below a DIY html file made up from Nick and Andy's original email posting which can be copied onto your own hard disk. Now you only have to save one bookmark, the one that points to this file on your local disk. Save the all the text between (and including) and and save it somewhere on your disk under something meaningful like bee_sites.html or b_sites.htm Point your web browser at the file, eg. file:/bees/web_stuf/bee_sites.html and save the bookmark. Hopefully all those website addresses will be highlighted, so all you have to do is click away. No responsibility is accepted for any problems encountered using this file, but it DOES work on my machine and is very useful. Cheers, Mike Pheysey mikeph@hpcpbla.bri.hp.com Will be starting beekeeping this spring. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
      Subject: Nick's List for BEE Surfe         Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 04:03:00 GMT         From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA   Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping 
Posted for those who read online and would like to blow their minds and do em all in one big bang.  ttul OLd Drone 
From: "Nick Wallingford"  Organization: Nat Beekeepers Assn of NZ 
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AFRICANISED HONEY BEES ====================== 
Africanised Honey Bees (Florida, USA) http://hammock.ifas.ufl.edu/txt/fairs/mg/11816.html Tom Sandford provides a question and answer article to provide factual information. 
Africanised Honey Bees (Texas, USA) http://128.194.30.1/agcom/news/hc/ahb/ahbhome.htm Find out the real story of the introduction and spread up through South America to the US. 
Africanised Honeybee Education Project (USA) http://ag.arizona.edu/AES/mac/ahb/ahbhome.html A useful and educational site with projects related to bees and beekeeping for children (and adults!). 
Bug Walks http://sdcc12.ucsd.edu/~wa12/bugs2.95.html Short overview of Africanised honeybees (mostly information drawn from Dr Mark Winston's book). 
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APITHERAPY ========== 
American Apitherapy Society http://www.beesting.com/#AAS The use of bee stings and venom in various forms of therapy. 
Conrad Berube Pages http://pinc.com/~bwarner/resume.htm Includes copies of various published articles. 
Sar Shalom Apiaries http://www.why.net/users/Bkeeper1 A new site with special interest in substances produced by honeybees that are beneficial to humans, through consumption. 
Spectrum Medical Arts http://www1.shore.net/~spectrum/apitherapy.html Information about using bee venom in a therapeutic manner. 
Wolf Home Page http://www.az.com/~jwolf Pages with a particular emphasis on apitherapy. 
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COMMERCIAL SITES ================ 
AI Root Company http://www.airoot.com/bee.htm Bee Culture magazine, including some of the most recent articles. 
Bee Barf http://www.slimeworld.org/honey/beebarf.html Yes, what can I say?  Go see for yourself. 
Bee Healthy (NY, USA) http://members.gnn.com/BeeHealthy/beehive.htm Jean-Francois Lariviere's company, featuring products from the hive. 
Beehive Botanicals http://www.productzoo.com/beehive/ Honey, pollen, royal jelly and propolis products for sale. 
Beeworks http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks Ventilated hives, T-Mite resistant queens.North American agents for E.H.Thorne UK. 
Coffee Gourmet http://www.townlink.com/coffeegourmet/cghoney.htm Sales location for New Zealand's Airborne Honey in the US. 
Golden Pride http://www.goldenpride.com/gp.htm Links to pollen, propolis and royal jelly information and purchase. 
Hawaiian Honey Bees http://www.alohamall.com/hamakua/honey.htm Honey from Hawaii for sale. 
Honey Bee Tree http://www.lanmax.com/bee/ Honey from upstate New York for sale. 
Honey Hive (Taupo, NZ) http://www.gisnz.com/tpohonhi.html An unforgettable place to visit!  Honey and all other sorts of bee and honey related products, a real attraction to our tourists and locals alike. 
Howard Honey Farm http://www.smart.net/~metric/honey/ Maryland honey for sale. 
Jan's Sweetness and Light http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Varietal honeys and gift sets. 
Mann Lake Ltd (Minnesota, USA) http://www.mannlakeltd.com/ Equipment and beeswax supplier. 
Munzer Apiaries http://www.net-advantage.com/munzer/ Long Island honey and some beekeeping supplies for sale. 
Palais D'Amour http://www.wwcoinc.com/palais/news.html Honey from US midwest for sale. 
Peace Corps materials http://www.peacecorps.gov/www/otaps/ICE5.HTML A variety of materials for sale and download. 
PJ Apiaries http://members.aol.com/mrpatr/pjsa.htm Hobbyists from New Jersey with links to Scouting movement. 
Pollen Man http://members.aol.com/pollenman1/index.htm Propolis, pollen, royal jelly for sale. 
Sherry Honey Farms http://www.bright.net/~honeybee/ Ohio beekeepers and honey sales 
Smokey Mountain Bee Company http://www.usit.net/smokeybs/index.html Includes queens and packages for sale, along with other beekeeping information. 
Sue Bee Honey http://www.suebee.com/ A comprehensive and highly professional site that is well worth a visit. You can even send a honey related postcard to another email user! 
Thomas Equipment http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/APISERVICES/thoma_us.htm French equipment manufacturer 
Thorne Beekeeping Supplies (UK) http://www.thorne.co.uk Home of one of the UK's primary equipment suppliers. Good information about what is needed to start out in beekeeping. 
Touchstone - Burt's Bees, Inc. http://monsterbit.com/touch/burts1.html Lotions and creams made with beeswax from Maine (USA). 
World's Finest http://www.worldsfinest.com/ Columbian propolis emulsions in honey for sale. 
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LEGAL ===== 
Alaskan Statutes, Title 3, Chapter 47 http://www.touchngo.com/lglcntr/akstats/Statutes/Title03/Chapter47.htm Alaskan laws related to bees and beekeeping equipment. 
Honey Research, Promotion, and Consumer Information (US Code, Title 7, Chapter 77) http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/7/ch77.html US Code related to research, promotion and consumer information 
Honeybees (US Code, Title 7, Chapter 11) http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/7/ch11.html US Code related to honeybees 
North Vancouver bylaw http://www.district.north-van.bc.ca/admin/bylaws/6474.htm Bylaw for the keeping of bees in built up area 
Ordinances related to beekeeping http://www.sannet.gov/city-council/council-activities/municipal-zoning -code/040/040/040/ A variety of ordinances about beekeeping from San Diego. 
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Agriculture in Alberta http://www.agric.gov.ab.ca/agdex/000/0002500h.html Overview of beekeeping in Alberta province of Canada. 
Bee Page on MBS http://www.pix.za/mbs/body/beepage.htm Bee page from Zaire.  Includes list of links to other sites. 
Beekeeping in Rubber Plantations http://www.metla.fi/conf/iufro95abs/d5pap144.htm Use of Apis dorsata bee in India. 
Canadian beekeeping http://www.agr.ca/cb/facts/fao7e.html All about Canada's honey industry... 
Canadian Honey Crop http://aceis.agr.ca/misb/hort/honey.html 1995 honey crop information for Canada. 
Egyptian Beekeeping http://www.arab.net/eqypt/culture/et_beekeeping.html History and practice of Egyptian beekeeping. 
Irish Beekeeping on the Web http://www.infochase.com/sci/beekeeping/index.html Beekeeping in Ireland 
Malasian beekeeping story http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/gears/nx/malaysia/malaysia.html The Tualang Tree, the Giant Asian Honey Bees and the Hindu Myth of the Princess, Hitam Manis-- Dark Sweetness... 
Slovakian Beekeeping http://afnet.uniag.sk/~chlebo/beekeep.html Pages about Slovakian beekeeping 
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MISCELLANEOUS ============= 
B-Eye http://cvs.anu.edu.au/andy/beye/beyehome.html See the world the way a bee does. 
Beekeeping Web Page http://cs-ftp.bu.edu/faculty/snyder/cs101/bobsample.html A page used as an example in an HTML writing course! 
Candles You Can Burn http://homepage.interaccess.com./~bmolo/ Making a variety of candles from beeswax. 
Distance Education Course http://www.cde.sfu.ca/courses/BISC004.html Simon Fraser University offers a distance education course in bee biology. 
Honey Pots http://www.box.nl/~kvry/engels1.htm Collection of honey pots. 
Opportunity Network http://www.oppnet.com/ern/bee.html Bee video for sale. 
Truckin' Folks http://www.roadking.com/Archive/TF10-24.html Story about hauling hives with big trucks! 
Videos for sale http://www.uoguelph.ca/istudy/bee.htm Beekeeping videos from the University of Guelph. 
Year in the Life of an Apiary http://www.gactr.uga.edu/VideoCatalog/bees.html Video and book package from University of Georgia. 
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ORGANISATIONS ============= 
Apimondia http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/APISERVICES/apim_us.htm World organisation that has Congress at various locations. 
Bee and Surrounding Friends Association http://www.eureka.it/~4a/english.htm Italian site offering assistance to promote better understanding of bees and beekeeping topics. 
Bee Maid Honey http://www.beemaid.com/ With links to Alberta Honey Producers, BeeMaid Honey, Manitoba Honey Producers and Western Wax Works 
Beekeeping Calendar (UK) http://www.millhouse.co.uk/national Updated regularly, these pages inform you of all of the various honey shows and other happenings in the UK. 
British Isles Bee Breeders Association http://www.millhouse.co.uk/bibba One of the main British beekeeping associations. 
International Bee Research Association http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/ibra/index.html The IBRA is a real 'clearing house' for information about beekeeping. They have one of the most extensive beekeeping libraries in the world. 
Maryland (USA) Beekeepers Page http://iaa.umd.edu/mdbee/mdbee.html Still under construction.  Mostly links to other sites. 
Midnite Bee http://www.winterharbor.com/midnitebee/ A very attractive site with excellent graphics.  Includes newsletter and speaker's reports from recent local meetings. 
Ontario Beekeepers Association http://www.tdg.ca/ontag/bee Mission statement, details of officers and membership. 
Oxfordshire Bee Keepers Association http://www.tdale.demon.co.uk/BeeKeeping.htm English based bee association 
Surrey Bee Keepers Association http://www.guildford.ac.uk/beehive/ Pages maintained by an English beekeeping association Includes diary, news and beekeeping tips. 
University of Nebraska Extension http://ianrwww.unl.edu/ianr/entomol/beekpg/beekpg.htm 
Worcester County Bee Association http://www.nesc.org/~juggler/beekeepers.html Includes back issues of the Association's newspaper. 
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PERSONAL PAGES ============== 
Allen Dick's Home Page (Canada) http://www.internode.net:80/~allend Allen is an interesting and well-informed beekeeper. His pages have links to the BEE-L discussion list archives as well. 
Andrew's Bee Page http://gauss.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~mel/bees.html English hobbyist with good picture of his four hives (including WBC style). 
Barry's Bee Page (Illinois, USA) http://www.birkey.com/BLB/index.html Includes plans for bee hives and equipment. 
Beekeeping at Hazlegrove http://www.kingsjnr.demon.co.uk/hobbies/bee.html A few photos and description of hobby beekeeping in England affected by varroa mites. 
Chris-o-rama Bee Page http://www.mv.com/ipusers/zippy/bee.html One hobbyist's experience over the first few seasons with a movie and some nice photos. 
Coyle's bee page http://www.hookup.net/%7Ekcoyle/TextBeekeeping.html Hobbyist beekeepers with seven hives. 
Dave Green's Pollination Pages (USA) http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Dave Green is a serious pollination beekeeper. These pages contain a wealth of practical information for grower and beekeeper alike. 
Kangaroo Island Beekeeping (Australia) http://www.eastend.com.au/~goble/KiBees/ Isolated since the late 1800's, a sanctuary for bee breeding off the coast of Australia. 
Norwegian beekeeping http://www.ifi.unit.no/~janne/beekeep.htm Page of general bee information (related pages in Norwegian). 
P-O Gustafsson's Pages (Sweden) http://www.kuai.se/~beeman/ Excellent pages from a practical beekeeper. Neat photos of a beekeeper at work! 
Rick's Beekeeping Home Page http://www.avana.net/pages/personal/digital/ Page from a keen beekeeper including links to mead making resources. 
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REFERENCE SITES =============== 
APIS Newsletter (Florida, USA) http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm Tom Sandford's newsletter was a pioneer in Internet publishing for the bee industry, and still one of the finest sources of up-to-date information. 
Armed Forces Pest Management Board http://www-afpmb.acq.osd.mil/pubs/tims/tim34.htm Excellent resource material on bees, stings and Africanised honeybees. 
BEE-L subscriptions http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~dicka/bee-l.html Subscription for for the BEE-L (unmoderated) mailing list 
Bee-Plus Newsletter (Michigan, USA) http://www.ent.msu.edu/dept/bplus/ Roger Hoopingarner's newsletter (back issues also available). 
Beekeeping FAQ ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq Answers to all those basic questions about beekeeping! 
Beekeeping Tips http://www.msstate.edu/Entomology/Beekeeping/Contents2.html Mississippi State University's tips for beekeepers. 
Beekeeping WWW Home Page (University of Washington) http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html Includes links to many other sites. 
Bees and Beekeeping Gopher (Ohio State University) gopher://sun1.oardc.ohio-state.edu:70/11/bioag/bee-info Gopher menu about bees and beekeeping 
Bugwatch http://bugwatch.com/pages/bees.htm Good education information about bees as insects. 
Compuserve beekeeper's home pages http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Beekeeping/ Some excellent graphics, including a Java applet of the bee dance 
FAO food database http://apps.fao.org/lim500/Agri_dbpl Can report on honey from specific countries.  Useful resource. 
FTP from Sunsite ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture/beekeeping/ A variety of pictures and text for anonymous FTP. 
Honeybee biology http://koning.ecsu.ctstateu.edu/Plants_Human/bees/bees.html Quite detailled information on bee biology with good line illustrations. 
List of Resources http://www.ent.iastate.edu/List/Beekeeping.html Entomology Index of Internet Resources: Beekeeping. 
Minnesota Apiary Section http://www.mda.state.mn.us/docs/AGRON/PP/apiary.htm Includes information on detecting varroa mites and information about chalkbrood. 
National Honey Board Database http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/ National_Honey_Board/honref.txt Largish (200k) database of information about honey use. 
Nebraska beekeeping http://ianrwww.unl.edu/ianr/pubs/extnpubs/insects/g1104.htm How to' guide to start beekeeping in Nebraska, including excellent bibliographical and other sources of information. 
sci.agriculture.beekeeping news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping The Usenet group that discusses bees and beekeeping. 
Small Farm Resource http://www.halcyon.com/kenworth/sfr/bees.htm Practical information about beekeeping 
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RESEARCH SITES ============== 
Apiary Inspectors of America http://www.mda.state.mn.us/docs/AIA/AIA.HTM With contacts in each of the states for inspectors and regulatory personnel. 
Beekeeping Notes http://ipm_www.ncsu.edu/insect_notes/Beekeeping/bee_contents.html North Carolina State University sites, with pollination, plantings for bees and mite information. 
Devon Apicultural Research Group http://members.tripod.com/~DARGUK/home.htm Lists current projects of this English research group. 
GEARS - Global Entomology Agriculture Research Server (Arizona, USA) http://198.22.133.109/ The USDA Carl Hayden Bee Research Center in Tucson pages include Africanised bee information, pollination, research, and educational materials. 
Honey Research Unit http://quasar.sci.waikato.ac.nz/Subjects/Biology/Honey/honey_page.html University of Waikato (NZ) research unit specialising in honey related research. 
Honeybee Science Research Center http://www.tamagawa.ac.jp/SISETU/GAKUJUTU/honeybee.html Japanese research laboratory 
Kohala Net beekeeping http://www.kohala.net/bees/ Excellent graphics of healthy bees and larvae and a wide variety of pests and diseases. 
University of Montana (Montana, USA) http://www.umt.edu/biology/bees The use of bees as environmental indicators. 
USDA ARS Honey Bee Breeding, Genetics, and Physiology Research Unit http://nola.srrc.usda.gov/baton/hbb.html USDA Baton Rouge Lab has mission statement, email contacts for personnel. 
USDA Bee Research Lab (Texas, USA) http://rsru2.tamu.edu/hbru/hbru.htm This USDA lab has been at the forefront of Africanised honeybee and mite research. 
USDA Beltsville Bee Research Laboratory http://sun.ars-grin.gov/ars/Beltsville/barc/psi/brl/brl-page.html Maryland (USA) based lab, information on personnel and projects underway. 
Varroa control research (West Virginia, USA) http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/varroa.htm Preliminary esults of research using essential oils for varroa mite control. 
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BEEKEEPING SOFTWARE =================== 
AAPA Bees and Beekeeping Database http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~ent1/software/det_bees.htm American Association of Professional Apiculturalists database with text and photos (not for download, but for purchase). 
Animated cursor scheme http://www.islandnet.com/~wwseb/cursors.htm Designed for Windows 95 
Bee Aware http://server.age.psu.edu/esdg/BeeAware.html Software to assist in diagnosis and treatment of bee diseases and pests. 
Honey Board database (.ZIP file) http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/ National_Honey_Board/ honref.zip Get the Honey Board database to work with on your own computer. Worthwhile info rmation. 
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Nick Wallingford, Pres - Nat Bkprs of NZ home nickw@wave.co.nz work nw1@boppoly.ac.nz 
NZ Beekeeping http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/nickw/nzbkpg.htm
From bently@hcn.hcnews.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:43 EST 1996 Article: 6241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!192.48.96.23!not-for-mail From: bently@hcn.hcnews.com (Bently Durant) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: the discriminating varroa Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 13:36:48 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: <32a365fd.248438312@news.cleaf.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp4hcn.cleaf.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 There aren't any mights on my bees There aren't any mights on other bekeepers bees. I live in Granburry Texas thats near Ft. Worth/Dallas where are they do I need to do any medicating? do I even need to check? do I need to care? are their not any mights this far south? thanks ...,,,...,,,~~~~~`````,,,...,,,...,,,~~~~~`````~~~~~~````` Why don't you join me in dyslexia land. A lend weair evey thimg is spelled ront. I think that I know everything because I know every thing that I learned and what I havent learned I don't know about :^) Bently Durant bently@hcn.hcnews.com ...,,,...,,,~~~~~`````,,,...,,,...,,,~~~~~`````~~~~~~````` From midnitebee@cybertours.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:44 EST 1996 Article: 6242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cyberTours!news From: "MIDNITEBEE" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nick's List for BEE Surfe, DIY html list Date: 3 Dec 1996 18:47:05 GMT Organization: HOLLY-B APIARY Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bbe14a$e6c329c0$ab048bcd@dialup.cybertours.com> References: <32A41373.1081@hpcpbla.bri.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kenn3-asy171.cybertours.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 My web site location is not correct. It needs to be changed to>http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ Thanks, Midnitebee(Herb) -- http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ From BEEMAN52@worldnet.att.net@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Mon Dec 9 11:58:45 EST 1996 Article: 6243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: KEN LAWRENCE Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Construction Date: 3 Dec 1996 20:34:36 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <5822ss$4nf@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.146.208.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!andromeda.vec.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!newsadm look in: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/index.html He has a good web site with plans and is a good carpenter Ken From watchman@CUPID.COM Mon Dec 9 11:58:46 EST 1996 Article: 6244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!PaperBoy.LiveNet.Net!CUPID.COM From: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 96 00:22:30 -0500 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wouldn't eat the grea Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: CUPID.COM X-MajorTCP-Version: MajorTCP/IP [2.10-0] Lines: 50 -=> Quoting Int:sysam@uacsc2.albany.e to ** All ** <=- >In article <328B5C81.397A@manageable.com>, > Nate Saal wrote: >>Maybe someone knows why my bees didn't like the grease patties I made up >>for them. > In> Allen Dick answered: >Contrary to what many think, the bees are not supposed to *eat* the patties. >They are rather expected to remove tham over time, exposing themeselves to >the grease and the drug. > In> In> Well, I'm not sure that if patties are eaten or carried away, but I In> have noted that grease only patties are consumed or removed faster than In> grease patties with TM. I assumed it was a seasonal thing because TM In> patties are only in my hives early spring or late fall (cool, no flow, In> periods of dearth) whereas grease patties are in at the hight of In> activity (warm, honey flow in progress, high and active population). In> However, I attended a seminar two weeks ago where the speaker asked if In> anyone had ever tasted a TM pattie. No hands went up and I thought In> with all the cautions about keeping TM out of the honey crop, why would In> anyone in their right mind ever taste a TM pattie? But the speaker In> stated that TM patties are very bitter, hence bees are reluctant to In> eat (or remove) them, although they will over time. In> In> As an afterthought it occured to me that tasting a TM pattie should In> not be such a surprising concept. After all, what beekeeper is in In> their right mind? ;) In> /Aa Hi! You may already know this but... The people here that have used the patties have had a noted better success when they mix the Crisco and TM with either Domino 10X confectioners sugar or a bit of honey. I haven't done this yet myself so I have no idea what proportions they are using. I do know that the TM is mixed in in the usual way and then a portion of the honey or sugar is added... Dronebee@norfolk.infi.net (Dr. Rodriguez) has used this on his hives before and could tell you what portions he uses... Hope this helps, Carl Powell Watchman@quick.net ... He who dies with the most TAGLINES wins! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 From watchman@CUPID.COM Mon Dec 9 11:58:48 EST 1996 Article: 6245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!PaperBoy.LiveNet.Net!CUPID.COM From: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 96 00:22:12 -0500 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pitful Sight Update Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: CUPID.COM X-MajorTCP-Version: MajorTCP/IP [2.10-0] Lines: 27 -=> Quoting Int:beeman52@worldnet.att to ** All ** <=- In> Just got a report back on my bees I sent off to have checked. Did In> not find anything and was even free of tracheal mites. Looks like my In> bees were done in by Varroa. I must have started the Wintergreen to In> late. I have Apistan strips on now and they are holding their own In> with piles of Mites on the sticky boards. I may try a couple hives In> next year but will sure start earlier in the fall. I thank everybody In> that has input on this subject as this is the only way we will learn. In> Ken Lawrence Hi! I and my friends at the Tidewater Beekeepers Association have been discussing this in our last couple of meetings. Could you fill me in on the details of when you applied the Wintergreen as to how long before you had your die off and what method of introduction you were using? If I've asked you this before I apologise. I get forgetful of who I've asked what sometimes... Thank You, Carl Powell Watchman@quick.net ... A unicorn is nothing more, nothing less, than a horny horse. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 From watchman@CUPID.COM Mon Dec 9 11:58:50 EST 1996 Article: 6246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!PaperBoy.LiveNet.Net!CUPID.COM From: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 96 00:22:42 -0500 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee venom literature Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: CUPID.COM X-MajorTCP-Version: MajorTCP/IP [2.10-0] Lines: 19 Hi! I would like to recieve a copy of your catalog. Here is my snail mail address..... Carl Powell 214 #69 Wythe Creek Rd. Poquoson, Virginia 23662 ... or if you have it online you can e-mail it to me here. Thanks, Carl Watchman@qwick.net ... Bad Borg Bad Borg Whatcha gonna do when they assimilate you... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 From watchman@CUPID.COM Mon Dec 9 11:58:51 EST 1996 Article: 6247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!PaperBoy.LiveNet.Net!CUPID.COM From: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 96 00:23:28 -0500 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cheerios campaign... Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: CUPID.COM X-MajorTCP-Version: MajorTCP/IP [2.10-0] Lines: 137 THE FOLLOWING IS A COPY OF A FAX RELEASED BY GENERAL MILLS / HONEY NUT CHEERIOS ABOUT A CAMPAIGN TO SAVE THE HONEYBEE... October 23,1996 Joe Rutledge (612)540-7549 David Dix (612)803-1045 HONEY NUT CHEERIOS LAUNCHES CAMPAIGN TO SAVE THE HONEYBEE Invasion of Mites Has Killed Entire U.S. Wild Honeybee Population, 60% of U.S. Commercial Honeybees Destroyed Infestation Threatens Food Prices, Environment, Textile and Floral Interests All Americans urged to Help Davis,CA- Americans may soon swap their swatters for scissors in order to help save the U.S. honeybee from extinction. The makers of Honey Nut Cheerios, along with the nation's foremost entomologists and representatives from the American Honey Producers Association, today launched a national campaign to raise funds to accelerate study of a crisis that threatens to eradicate America's honeybee population and devastate American agriculture. According to one of the nation's leading entomologists, Dr. Eric Mussen, Professor of Entomology at the University of California, Davis, an invasion of parasitic mites that migrated to the United States from Latin America over the past few years "now represents the single greatest threat to ever confront the food chain and America's agricultural industries." Almost all of America's wild honeybees have been eradicated by the mites since they first arrived in the U.S.. More than 60% of America's commercial honeybees have been killed by the tiny, spider-like creatures. "Everyone in America depends on the honeybee. They pollinate our orchards, our fields and our gardens. Without their work, food prices will rise and our environment will suffer," said Eric Lucas, marketing manager for Honey Nut Cheerios, a low fat, whole-grain oat breakfast cereal produced by General Mills, Inc.. Lucas said that the Honey Nut Cheerios "Save the Honeybee" campaign will raise funds to research threats posed by the "Varroa Mite," which sucks blood from honeybees by attaching itself to their bodies; and the "Tracheal Mite," which chokes honeybees to death by reproducing while lodged inside honeybees' throats. The National Honey Board estimates that one-third of the human diet is derived directly or indirectly from insect-pollinated plants and that the in the U.S., about 80% of all insect crop pollination is done by the honeybee. To make one pound of honey, a hive of honeybees taps two million blossoms, traveling more than 55,000 miles in the process. In a lifetime, a healthy honeybee will produce about one-half teaspoon of honey. As part of the Honey Nut Cheerios "Save the Honeybee" campaign, between now and January 31, 1997, Honey Nut Cheerios will donate $.25 for every honeybee clipped from the front of a Honey Nut Cheerios box and mailed to General Mills. The cartoon-like drawing of a honeybee has appeared on the front of Honey Nut Cheerios boxes since 1979, a year after its introduction in 1978. According to Lucas, General Mills stands ready to donate up to $100,000 for honeybee research. The funds will be evenly distributed to three of America's premiere honeybee research centers: the University of Minnesota, Michigan State University and the University of California, Davis. Each school has established apiary research programs that have been in the forefront of the search for a way to destroy the deadly mites and repopulate America's honeybee hives. The Honey Nut Cheerios "Save the Honeybee" campaign has been endorsed by a broad range of organizations that are concerned with America's agricultural well-being, including: The National Association of State Departments of Agriculture The National 4-H Council The United Fresh Fruit & Vegetable Association The North American Strawberry Growers Association The American Alfalfa Processors Association The National Honey Board The Washington Apple Commission The American Beekeeping Federation The Almond Board of California The California Avocado Society The Michigan Apple Committee The U.S. Apple Association The American Cranbery Growers Association The Cranberry Institute The Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum Representatives from Honey Nut Cheerios reminded Americans that in addition to generating research funds by mailing in honeybees from Honey Nut Cheerios packages, additional contributions can be submitted and will be earmarked for honeybee research at the three university apiary research centers. "We hope everyone - kids, grown-ups, schoolrooms and others - will do all they can to help save the honeybee," said Lucas. Individuals who want to help save the honeybee should mail honeybees clipped from the front of Honey Nut Cheerios boxes to: "Help Save the Honeybee" P.O. Box 5450 Minneapolis, MN 55460-5450 Those who want to recieve a honeybee information packet or hear more about how to they can help are urged to call the "Help Save the Honeybee" Hotline at 800-362-2006. Honey Nut Cheerios is fortified with 10 vitamins and minerals. The sweetened, Whole-grain oat cereal is made with honey and almonds by Minneapolis-based General Mills, Inc., which is the nations second-largest cereal producer. Honey Nut Cheerios is one of five types of Cheerios: traditional Cheerios in the yellow box, Multi-Grain Cheerios, Apple Cinnamon Cheerios, and Frosted Cheerios. Together, the five Cheerios represent the largest brand in the breakfast cereal category. #### END OF THE FAX........................................................... While a few of the facts given in this fax are slightly misleading, they are only of a technical nature and do not change the picture as a whole any. I am going to present this at the next meeting of the Tidewater Beekeepers Association to see how many others here have seen this. This was the first I had heard of this program. I recieved this in some literature on the Norfolk/ABF coming up. Other readers here could help publicize this by presenting it to their respective sysops to get either the entire fax or a brief announcement of the program posted on various BBS's to solicit other users support as well. I intend to do that now to the sysops here as Cupid's Playpen BBS. Has this been publicized other than by this fax anywhere else? Thank You, Carl Powell Watchman@qwick.net ... Blue Wave - World Tour - 1996 ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 From bbirkey@interaccess.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:52 EST 1996 Article: 6248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.coli.uni-sb.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news.dfn.de!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!interaccess!usenet From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Construction Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 15:54:46 -0600 Organization: Birkey.Com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <32A4A1A6.4327@interaccess.com> References: Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d61.w.interaccess.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Mike Clayton wrote: > > Hi, > > I've been lurking here for some time and was waiting for info on hive > construction. So far, no one has brought it up. Can someone point to a faq > or someplace to get plans. > > Thanks, Mike Look here: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA bbirkey@interaccess.com http://www.birkey.com From csmgc@ux1.cts.eiu.edu Mon Dec 9 11:58:53 EST 1996 Article: 6249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cnn.Princeton.EDU!cbgw1.lucent.com!cbgw3.lucent.com!news.pbi.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cts.eiu.edu!Panther832.eiu.edu!csmgc From: csmgc@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Mike Clayton) Subject: Hive Construction Message-ID: Lines: 8 Sender: news@news.cts.eiu.edu (news maintenance) Organization: Eastern Illinois University X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:41:02 GMT Hi, I've been lurking here for some time and was waiting for info on hive construction. So far, no one has brought it up. Can someone point to a faq or someplace to get plans. Thanks, Mike From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon Dec 9 11:58:54 EST 1996 Article: 6250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!wsrcc.com!wetware!olivea!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.he.net!news.tdl.com!news.zeitgeist.net!bdt.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: dvisrael Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cheerios campaign... Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 14:18:18 -0600 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 136 Message-ID: <32A48B09.4307@earthlink.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cust20.max5.raleigh.nc.ms.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) To: watchman@CUPID.COM watchman@CUPID.COM wrote: > > THE FOLLOWING IS A COPY OF A FAX RELEASED BY GENERAL MILLS / HONEY NUT > CHEERIOS ABOUT A CAMPAIGN TO SAVE THE HONEYBEE... > > October 23,1996 > Joe Rutledge (612)540-7549 > David Dix (612)803-1045 > > HONEY NUT CHEERIOS LAUNCHES CAMPAIGN TO SAVE THE HONEYBEE > > Invasion of Mites Has Killed Entire U.S. Wild Honeybee Population, > 60% of U.S. Commercial Honeybees Destroyed > > Infestation Threatens Food Prices, Environment, Textile and Floral Interests > All Americans urged to Help > > Davis,CA- Americans may soon swap their swatters for scissors in > order to help save the U.S. honeybee from extinction. The makers of Honey > Nut Cheerios, along with the nation's foremost entomologists and > representatives from the American Honey Producers Association, today launched > a national campaign to raise funds to accelerate study of a crisis that > threatens to eradicate America's honeybee population and devastate American > agriculture. > > According to one of the nation's leading entomologists, Dr. Eric > Mussen, Professor of Entomology at the University of California, Davis, an > invasion of parasitic mites that migrated to the United States from Latin > America over the past few years "now represents the single greatest threat > to ever confront the food chain and America's agricultural industries." > Almost all of America's wild honeybees have been eradicated by the mites > since they first arrived in the U.S.. More than 60% of America's commercial > honeybees have been killed by the tiny, spider-like creatures. > > "Everyone in America depends on the honeybee. They pollinate our > orchards, our fields and our gardens. Without their work, food prices will > rise and our environment will suffer," said Eric Lucas, marketing manager > for Honey Nut Cheerios, a low fat, whole-grain oat breakfast cereal produced > by General Mills, Inc.. > > Lucas said that the Honey Nut Cheerios "Save the Honeybee" campaign > will raise funds to research threats posed by the "Varroa Mite," which sucks > blood from honeybees by attaching itself to their bodies; and the "Tracheal > Mite," which chokes honeybees to death by reproducing while lodged inside > honeybees' throats. > > The National Honey Board estimates that one-third of the human diet > is derived directly or indirectly from insect-pollinated plants and that > the in the U.S., about 80% of all insect crop pollination is done by the > honeybee. To make one pound of honey, a hive of honeybees taps two million > blossoms, traveling more than 55,000 miles in the process. In a lifetime, a > healthy honeybee will produce about one-half teaspoon of honey. > > As part of the Honey Nut Cheerios "Save the Honeybee" campaign, > between now and January 31, 1997, Honey Nut Cheerios will donate $.25 for > every honeybee clipped from the front of a Honey Nut Cheerios box and mailed > to General Mills. The cartoon-like drawing of a honeybee has appeared on the > front of Honey Nut Cheerios boxes since 1979, a year after its introduction > in 1978. > > According to Lucas, General Mills stands ready to donate up to > $100,000 for honeybee research. The funds will be evenly distributed to > three of America's premiere honeybee research centers: the University of > Minnesota, Michigan State University and the University of California, Davis. > Each school has established apiary research programs that have been in the > forefront of the search for a way to destroy the deadly mites and repopulate > America's honeybee hives. > > The Honey Nut Cheerios "Save the Honeybee" campaign has been endorsed > by a broad range of organizations that are concerned with America's > agricultural well-being, including: > > The National Association of State Departments of Agriculture > The National 4-H Council > The United Fresh Fruit & Vegetable Association > The North American Strawberry Growers Association > The American Alfalfa Processors Association > The National Honey Board > The Washington Apple Commission > The American Beekeeping Federation > The Almond Board of California > The California Avocado Society > The Michigan Apple Committee > The U.S. Apple Association > The American Cranbery Growers Association > The Cranberry Institute > The Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum > > Representatives from Honey Nut Cheerios reminded Americans that in > addition to generating research funds by mailing in honeybees from Honey Nut > Cheerios packages, additional contributions can be submitted and will be > earmarked for honeybee research at the three university apiary research > centers. "We hope everyone - kids, grown-ups, schoolrooms and others - will > do all they can to help save the honeybee," said Lucas. > > Individuals who want to help save the honeybee should mail honeybees > clipped from the front of Honey Nut Cheerios boxes to: > > "Help Save the Honeybee" > P.O. Box 5450 > Minneapolis, MN 55460-5450 > > Those who want to recieve a honeybee information packet or hear more > about how to they can help are urged to call the "Help Save the Honeybee" > Hotline at 800-362-2006. > > Honey Nut Cheerios is fortified with 10 vitamins and minerals. The > sweetened, Whole-grain oat cereal is made with honey and almonds by > Minneapolis-based General Mills, Inc., which is the nations second-largest > cereal producer. Honey Nut Cheerios is one of five types of Cheerios: > traditional Cheerios in the yellow box, Multi-Grain Cheerios, Apple Cinnamon > Cheerios, and Frosted Cheerios. Together, the five Cheerios represent the > largest brand in the breakfast cereal category. > > #### > > END OF THE FAX........................................................... > > While a few of the facts given in this fax are slightly misleading, > they are only of a technical nature and do not change the picture as a whole > any. I am going to present this at the next meeting of the Tidewater > Beekeepers Association to see how many others here have seen this. This was > the first I had heard of this program. I recieved this in some literature on > the Norfolk/ABF coming up. Other readers here could help publicize this by > presenting it to their respective sysops to get either the entire fax or a > brief announcement of the program posted on various BBS's to solicit other > users support as well. I intend to do that now to the sysops here as Cupid's > Playpen BBS. Has this been publicized other than by this fax anywhere else? >I read about it yesterday in the Dec issue of the ABJ. > Thank You, > Carl Powell > Watchman@qwick.net > > ... Blue Wave - World Tour - 1996 > > ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon Dec 9 11:58:55 EST 1996 Article: 6251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!wsrcc.com!wetware!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.he.net!news.tdl.com!news.zeitgeist.net!bdt.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: dvisrael Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Asymetrix Embraces KaiZenWare Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 13:54:22 -0600 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 92 Message-ID: <32A4856E.22EE@earthlink.net> References: <3294B1E9.2B29@asymetrix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust20.max5.raleigh.nc.ms.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) To: Steven Esau Steven Esau wrote: > > Hi, I'm Steven Esau the general counsel of > Asymetrix Corporation. Mark J. Christie is the > mastermind behind this scam to sabotage Jeffrey Tay. I gave Jeffrey Tay a > letter to authorize him to distribute KaiZenWare but Mark J. Christie > secretly sabotaged Jeffrey Tay by spreading lies and rumours that > KaiZenWare is illegal. I'll ask Paul Allen to sack Mark J. Chrisite. > > Asymetrix will very soon announce on its home page the official > recognition of KaiZenWare as the copyright property of Jeffrey Tay. > KaiZenWare can be developed to run on any version of ToolBook - v1.5, > v3.0, v.4.0 and the ToolBook II series and all future versions of > ToolBook and MultiMedia ToolBook. Watch out for Asymetrix's announcement. > Thank you. > > ------------------------------------ > Confession By Mark J. Christie below: > > Mother! Please don't shoot! I'll confess! I'll confess! (Mark J. > Christie's mother is pointing a gun at his head and threatening to blow > off his brain if he does not come clean). Please forgive me Steven Esau > (Steven is the general counsel of Asymetrix Corporation, USA > ), my mom will be visiting you later. This is what > happened and I emphasize this is the absolute truth. > > ***The Objective - Get Jeffrey Tay's software called KaiZenWare > Jeffrey Tay created a multimedia authoring tool called KaiZenWare in > 1993. However, he has not released it for a variety of reasons. This year > (1996) we came to know about it and wanted to get hold of KaiZenWare but > we did not succeed. He found a company interested in marketing his > software but we sabotaged him by telling that company that KaiZenWare > violates Asymetrix's copyright without even seeing KaiZenWare (remember > he refused to let go of his software). Details of this can be found at: > http://www.ets.bris.ac.uk/comments/21612.htm > > The question is: How to get hold of Jeffrey's Tay software called > KaiZenWare? We hatched out a plot to lure him to release his software > called KaiZenWare. This is how the plot works: > > Stage 1 we gave him a letter from Steven Esau, general counsel of > Asymetrix Corporation, USA which authorized him > to distribute his software called KaiZenWare. > > Stage 2 we waited for him to fall for our trap. He started marketing his > software called KaiZenWare on the Internet in Aug 1996 and we proceeded > to download a copy for our own reference so that we can copy his ideas. > > Stage 3 whenever someone enquired about KaiZenWare we will tell them that > it is illegal (members of the ToolBook mailing list have been told in Aug > 1996 that it is illegal) and we refuse to acknowledge the fact that > KaiZenWare is an exception and that Steven Esau has indeed sent Jeffrey > Tay a letter to authorize the distribution of KaiZenWare. > > Stage 4 we keep totally quiet about this dual-reality. Jeffrey Tay is the > only one who knows of the letter from Steven Esau. Jeffrey Tay does not > know that members of the ToolBook mailing list thinks it is illegal. > Jeffrey Tay does not know that we spread words that it is illegal. > > Stage 5 we will carry on this charade and will ensure that nobody buys > KaiZenWare because they think it is illegal. Jeffrey Tay can spend the > rest of his life wasting time and money marketing KaiZenWare but nobody > will buy because they think it is illegal. > > Unfortunately, Jeffrey Tay found out and complained to members of the > ToolBook mailing list. Our good friend who owns the list speedily > arranged to forbid Jeffrey Tay from posting articles to members of this > list even though he has just subscribed to the list. > > The idea is to gag Jeffrey Tay and to let everyone else say bad things > about KaiZenWare and Jeffrey Tay and ensuring that Jeffrey Tay does not > have a chance to ask questions and answer questions. > > Is this cruel? This is the world of business and it is necessarily dirty > and cruel. I have no sympathy for Jeffrey Tay because I also want to copy > his ideas. I also want to make lots of money. Who cares about Jeffrey Tay > even though his software called KaiZenWare was developed and tested in > 1993? Jeffrey Tay's job is to prove that his software is good and then > our job is to steal his idea and prevent him from selling KaiZenWare by > sabotaging him secretly. > > Please broadcast this message to everyone on the Internet. Jeffrey Tay is > a one-man show working from home and he needs all the help he can get. > Steven Esau has to answer one question: Did he send a letter to Jeffrey > Tay authorizing Jeffrey Tay to distribute KaiZenWare? > > Thank you. > > P.S. To find out about KaiZenWare, use Excite and HotBot and use > "kaizenware" as the keyword to search the database. Will someone please tell me whwt this "stuff" has to do with bees and beekeeping. From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Mon Dec 9 11:58:56 EST 1996 Article: 6252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cheerios campaign... Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 10:04:43 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 9 Message-ID: <582h1h$7gp@library.airnews.net> References: Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal28-28.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!andromeda.vec.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!206.66.12.35!news-in.iadfw.net!usenet wrote: >HONEY NUT CHEERIOS LAUNCHES CAMPAIGN TO SAVE THE HONEYBEE Great campaign Honey Nut Cheerios....you are to be congratulated! Now if you would only put less SALT in them than a comparable bag of potato chips! From bently@hcn.hcnews.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:57 EST 1996 Article: 6253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!192.48.96.23!not-for-mail From: bently@hcn.hcnews.com (Bently Durant) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Starting Cheep with bees webpage Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 01:11:44 GMT Lines: 74 Message-ID: <32a4cfa0.341032037@news.cleaf.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp10hcn.cleaf.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 I am planning to start a beekeeping page for those of us who are just beginners. I have a large supply of catalogs that I will use like Brushy Mountain Bee Farm Mann Lake Kelly etc... the web page will feature a list of cheap beginner/hobbiest equipment. I would appreciat all help and great price suggestions for the following in the US or Neighboring countries: starter kits observation hives veils gloves ( plastic or any other almost sting proof material.) whole hives hive bodies/supers fraimes foundation less than 10 frame extractors holding tanks essential wax proccessing equipment books pollen traps nucs feeders overalls propless traps educational tapes uncapping tools ( especally cheap electricall knifes ) medicens and other chemicals magazines I would also appricate any catologs with cheap prices that you can send me. Please send US catalogs or Mexico/Canida. I might branch out to other countries later. Bently Durant P.O. Box 728 Granburry Texas 76048 thankyou. ...,,,...,,,~~~~~`````,,,...,,,...,,,~~~~~`````~~~~~~````` Why don't you join me in dyslexia land. A lend weair evey thimg is spelled ront. I think that I know everything because I know every thing that I learned and what I havent learned I don't know about :^) Bently Durant bently@hcn.hcnews.com ...,,,...,,,~~~~~`````,,,...,,,...,,,~~~~~`````~~~~~~````` From drgonfly@ultranet.com Mon Dec 9 11:58:58 EST 1996 Article: 6254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.ultranet.com!usenet From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Star Trek movie.... Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 21:31:38 -0800 Organization: Biosource Lines: 13 Message-ID: <32A50CBA.270E@ultranet.com> References: <57a1ra$qso@library.airnews.net> <57qeu6$lhe@library.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: biosource.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) BusyKnight wrote: > > . Anybody pickup on anything else? > > [Yes, yes; I know -- GET A LIFE !!!] < The Borg also do not attack unless they percieve you as a threat. At the end of the movie, Data killed them all with some sort of bee smoker or pesticide Regards, Marc From drees@winshop.com.au Mon Dec 9 11:58:59 EST 1996 Article: 6255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!fjholden.OntheNet.com.au!news From: "Pastor David Rees" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Optimum Distance Date: 4 Dec 1996 05:29:59 GMT Organization: On the Net : Internet on the Gold Coast (Australia) Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bbe19c$2199dca0$807f16cb@david> NNTP-Posting-Host: s1-port8.winshop.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 I am curious to know the optimum distance bees travel to collect nectar and pollen (not the maximum but for a good honey crop the range that forage will be collected from) David From NHJV32A@prodigy.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:00 EST 1996 Article: 6256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hp.fciencias.unam.mx!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!EU.net!main.Germany.EU.net!news-koe1.dfn.de!news.dfn.de!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: NHJV32A@prodigy.com (William Hughes jr.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone trying Pierco products? Date: 4 Dec 1996 03:00:46 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: <582pgu$1e4s@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap3-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I have used some Pierco frames in the last two years. The 6 5/8 inch med super frame is drawn out as fast as wax or Durigilt during a strong honey flow. Also they contain more honey than a wooden frame. The deep box frames are a different story. If you install a package on them they will draw it out, but if the top brood box is undrawn Pierco they are reluntant to draw them out, even if you feed heavly. If you are replaceing cycleing out old comb the bees accept it ok. I hope this has helped. Bill Hughes Bent Holly Honey Farm Brighton, Tennessee USA From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:02 EST 1996 Article: 6257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new web site Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 00:28:00 GMT Message-ID: <961203173448470@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <53u77c$383@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <53tbts$su8@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.wor Lines: 23 Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!andromeda.vec.net!cambridge.emi.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur Your honey money at work! Check it out, address at bottom. 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Updated: November 22, 1996 --- QMPro 1.53 Santa on the Web From wwallace@concentric.net Mon Dec 9 11:59:03 EST 1996 Article: 6258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!cdc2.cdc.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: Bill Wallace` Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extrator for Sale Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 14:12:52 -0600 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <32A489C4.7CD7@concentric.net> References: <19961202163100.LAA15308@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: wwallace@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 61040d0017ch.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) To: mpidjk@aol.com mpidjk@aol.com wrote: > > I have a 2 or 4 frame manual extrator for sale. It was used only 2-3 > times. It's stainless stell and in excellent condition. I'm taking the > best offer on it. Thanks! Please email or post with interest. Is the Extractor tangentially loaded or radially, what brand, does it have a stand? Where is it? From pete@smtl.co.uk Mon Dec 9 11:59:04 EST 1996 Article: 6259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 06:01:08 -0600 From: pete@smtl.co.uk Subject: ANNOUNCE: 2nd World Conference on Biosurgery - 17th/18th April, 1997 Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.med.pharmacy,sci.med.nursing,misc.health.alternative,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <849700574.17300@dejanews.com> Reply-To: pete@smtl.co.uk Organization: Surgical Materials testing Lab. X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Dec 04 12:00:13 1996 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 193.131.77.170 () X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) X-Authenticated-Sender: pete@smtl.co.uk Lines: 72 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.med:176082 sci.med.pharmacy:39328 sci.med.nursing:26998 misc.health.alternative:91990 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:6259 The 2nd world conference on Biosurgery 17th and 18th April, 1997 takes place in the Grand Pavilion, Porthcawl, Mid Glamorgan,South Wales, United Kindom. Full details on the web page: http://www.smtl.co.uk/WMPRC/BioSurgery/Conference/ Programme The conference will discuss the use of larvae (maggots), leeches, flukes, bees and bee products in wound management and medicine. In addition to presentations by internationally recognised figures there will be an opportunity for short free papers on the use of larvae, for which abstracts are invited. There will be an award of 250 pounds (UK) for the best presentation from a new author. Abstracts for this award should be submitted by January 31st 1997 on A4 paper, double spaced, to a maximum of 300 words. All abstracts should be sent to Dr S Thomas, Director, Biosurgical Research Unit, SMTL, Bridgend General Hospital, Quarella Road, Bridgend, CF31 1JP. Costs The cost for this two day event is 150 pounds (UK), and this includes lunch on both days and the conference dinner on the night of the 17th April. Details of accommodation can be provided upon request. A discount of 10% will be given to all delegates who confirm bookings before the 31st January 1997. To reserve your place please send e-mail to bioconf@smtl.co.uk with the following information: Name : Job Title : Speciality: Address 1 : Address 2 : Address 3 : Address 4 : Address 5 : Tel No : Fax No : Email : Will you be attending the conference dinner on the evening of the 17th ? [YES/NO] --------------- Postscript versions of the programme and registration form can be obtained from the web site http://www.smtl.co.uk/WMPRC/BioSurgery/Conference/ Best Wishes, Pete -- Pete Phillips, Deputy Director, Surgical Materials Testing Lab, Bridgend General Hospital, S. Wales. Fax: +44 1656-667291 pete@smtl.co.uk Coming soon - the definitive web site on dressings, wound care and disposables - http://www.smtl.co.uk/ -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet From jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:06 EST 1996 Article: 6260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone trying Pierco products? Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 15:32:30 GMT Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 10 Message-ID: <32a58da8.5027965@news.netside.com> References: <582pgu$1e4s@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx41-83.netside.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 For several years I tried plastic frames in brood chambers. They were expensive, more difficult to work with, broke more easily than wood, and the bees didn't like them. I've thrown the last of them into the trash, and am going back to wood and Duragilt. I notice the current Pierco ads are claiming unspecified big improvements. After my prior experience with their product, I think I'll let somebody else do their testing this time!!! -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. From alyn@emphasys.demon.co.uk Mon Dec 9 11:59:07 EST 1996 Article: 6261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!osshe.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!dsinc!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Asymetrix Embraces KaiZenWare Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:48:20 +0000 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3294B1E9.2B29@asymetrix.com> <32A4856E.22EE@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 In article <32A4856E.22EE@earthlink.net>, dvisrael writes >Steven Esau wrote: >> >> Hi, I'm Steven Esau ............ followed by a load of junk. >Will someone please tell me whwt this "stuff" has to do with bees and >beekeeping. Three-fifths of eff-all. One of the problems of the net is that we have to put up with rubbish like this. Just try to ignore them. Unfortunately one sometimes has to admit their presence in order to improve matters, and this is a case in point - please try not to quote the whole of a long email when responding - we've all seen the original clap=trap and don't need to be reminded that morons have computers too. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Dec 9 11:59:08 EST 1996 Article: 6262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.he.net!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Optimum Distance Date: Wed, 04 Dec 96 08:29:03 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 39 Message-ID: <178537757S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <01bbe19c$2199dca0$807f16cb@david> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <01bbe19c$2199dca0$807f16cb@david> "Pastor David Rees" writes: > >I am curious to know the optimum distance bees travel to collect nectar >and pollen (not the maximum but for a good honey crop the range that >forage will be collected from) >David David, This is a very good question to which there is no definitive answer, like say 1.5 miles (as is often quoted). Actually, the bees figure it out based on a method of "returns for their investment". This is a very anthropomorphic concept, but here goes. Bees will fly the optimal distance from a hive to maximize the return of nectar to the hive. If there is a high yielding nectar source that is far from the hive, the bees may pass that source up in favor of a lower yielding source that is closer to the hive. Let's make up some imaginary measuring units here. Lets say that the high yielding source ranks a 7 on the nectar scale and the low yielding source ranks a 3. The high yielding source is so far away from the hive that the bees expend 5 of the 7 nectar units in energy to fly to and from the nectar source. Hence the bees' yield at the hive is 2 nectar units. Now, consider the low yielding source (rank 3) located very close to the hive. The bees expend only a half nectar unit collecting that nectar, so the net return at the hive is 2.5 nectar units. In this case the bees will work the lower yielding nectar source because there is a higher overall return at the hive! Now what. you may ask, makes up these made up nectar units I so boldly created. Well, that would be the amount of natural sugars produced by the plant. I don't know the relative sugars from one source compared to another, but they do differ. And the energy expended by the bees can be computed based on distance flown, head winds, and other variables. So, you see, the question you asked is not as easily answered as you may think. However, if you want a cut and dry average, most texts will quote a mile and a half radius from the hive. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From anderson@on.bell.ca Mon Dec 9 11:59:10 EST 1996 Article: 6263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!utcsri!bc2cep!news From: redneck Subject: Re: Ordering Bees for this Spring X-Nntp-Posting-Host: thvc0a.on.bell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <32A59028.94C@on.bell.ca> Sender: news@on.bell.ca (news admin) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Bell Canada, Bell Sygma, SRCI References: <19961120015500.UAA05842@ladder01.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:52:24 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (WinNT; I) Lines: 21 eflicek@aol.com wrote: > > I am going to be 4-5 colonies of bees this spring, I live in St.Paul,MN , > so I would need them by April. Does anybody know some places to order > from? > > Thanks, > > Ed Flicek Dear Ed, Although it is not a legal obligation you should check with your local beekeepers association if there is one. Our local association, because of our remoteness, suggests getting local bees in order to keep foreign diseases out of your neighbourhood. It seems quite realistic and may help your fellow beekeepers from contracting diseases that you may bring in ... Just a suggestion but your call... From spits@concentric.net Mon Dec 9 11:59:12 EST 1996 Article: 6264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hp.fciencias.unam.mx!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.texas.net!cdc2.cdc.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: spits@concentric.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hives and extractor for sale Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 13:09:42 +0000 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <32A57817.40F8@concentric.net> Reply-To: spits@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc048052.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C (Macintosh; I; 68K) The following items are for sale, and located in Trenton, MO; 8 hives with bees 1 motorized extractor 1 honey tank and tub with stand capping knives strainer smoker and accessories. These items are for sale due to a death in the family. Please email with questions. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Dec 9 11:59:13 EST 1996 Article: 6265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeepers please Learn about Lyme disease Date: 5 Dec 1996 01:10:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5857d8$m07@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <32A39D77.5879@jersey.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <32A39D77.5879@jersey.net>, Joe Josh wrote: >Dear friends, > > Also, if you haven't visited our site, we strongly encourage you to do >so... We have the leading experts on our site and you can "REALLY HEAR" What are you talking about? Like we can't read and think for ourselves? Adam (yep, and I can even use a library.) -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:14 EST 1996 Article: 6266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Optimum Distance Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 15:06:00 GMT Message-ID: <961204171314478@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <01bbe19c$2199dca0$807f16cb@david> Lines: 58 Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!andromeda.vec.net!news.gs.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!206.229.87.25!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur >I am curious to know the optimum distance bees travel to collect nectar and >pollen (not the maximum but for a good honey crop the range that forage >will be collected from) >David Hello David, Maximum depends a lot on the number of other honeybee hives between your bees and the bee pasture then the distance. If you have a yard of bees between you and the pasture no matter what the distance you will have many bees returning to the the hives closest to the pasture. One trick used by some beekeepers in the alfalfa seed areas that are deliberately over stocked with bees to increase seed production is for one beekeeper to get down wind of several others and over super his bees catching his neighbors bees. This makes for much hard feeling between beekeepers and big crops for the one down wind with the extra supers. If you are isolated and have unlimited pasture the closer the distance between you and your beehives the better. If you have mixed pasture with pasture in different directions from your bees it may be better to back off a mile or more then having the bees directly in one plant source or another. It's well to remember that most all pasture has some limits, but there are exceptions depending on local conditions and plant conditions. Here in California it is possible to have 500 to 1000 hives in prime locations in the sage, manzanita, orange, and eucalyptus ranges. It is important that these type locations with large numbers of hives be isolated from human habitation to use these large stocking rates and this is a real problem today with people building on every available site and setting aside the few that are left as public parks that bring the public in contact with the bee pasture limiting the beekeepers use. In my own experience I have found beekeeping pasture to be the number one ingredient to the successful keeping of bees, and a great difference in what you can expect from bees in the way of production. In the rockies it is what you see is what you get, in the large agricultural valleys of California you seldom are sure what the bees made the honey from. Maximum distances increase with the potential for bees to get into trouble. If a cotton farmer sprays some hot stuff 7 miles away you can be sure your bees will always fly that distance to get into trouble. ttul OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- QMPro 1.53 It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Dec 9 11:59:15 EST 1996 Article: 6267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!psinntp!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting Cheep with bees webpage Date: 5 Dec 1996 01:14:49 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5857m9$m5q@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <32a4cfa0.341032037@news.cleaf.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf The best way to save money in beekeeping is to utilize equipment that is used. Sadly, one needs to know what is good equipment and what is diseased or lousy equipment. May I suggest you have on your page some guidelines on buying used equipment? Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:16 EST 1996 Article: 6268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cnn.Princeton.EDU!cbgw1.lucent.com!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Outlook for U.S. agricultural exports summary, 12.4.96 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:24:00 GMT Message-ID: <961204230010481@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <01bbbc76$68cdc820$07df8fc2@isusinencomix> Lines: 150 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 96 16:42:34 EST Subject: Outlook for U.S. agricultural exports summary, 12.4.96 OUTLOOK FOR U.S. AGRICULTURAL EXPORTS--SUMMARY Approved by the World Agricultural Outlook Board December 4, 1996 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SUMMARY is published by the Economic Research Service, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Washington, DC 20005-4788. The complete text of OUTLOOK FOR U.S. AGRICULTURAL EXPORTS (AES-12) will be available 2-3 working days following release of this summary. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FISCAL 1997 AGRICULTURAL EXPORT FORECAST REDUCED TO $55.5 BILLION The fiscal 1997 forecast for U.S. agricultural exports is reduced to $55.5 billion, $2.5 billion lower than projected in August, and $4.3 billion less than 1996. Sharp declines in expected prices for wheat, coarse grains, and soybeans account for most of the reduction. Increased foreign production and higher competitor exports of wheat and coarse grains has resulted in reduced prospects for U.S. shipments since August. Although soybean export volume is expected to rise, much lower prices due to the large domestic crop and improved foreign production prospects have reduced expected soybean and product exports. Total export volume is expected to decline to 146.7 million tons, and major bulk exports are forecast at 104.9 million tons, 14 million less than in 1996. High-value product (HVP) exports are expected to rise by almost $2 billion to a record $33 billion in 1997. This will account for nearly 60 percent of U.S. agricultural exports. Although prospects for livestock products have declined since August, exports of these commodities are still forecast at a record $8.7 billion. Record poultry meat and horticultural exports are also expected. U.S. agricultural imports in fiscal 1997 are forecast at a record $34 billion, $2 billion higher than projected in August. Animal and horticultural products are expected to provide the boost to imports in 1997. The fiscal 1997 agricultural trade surplus is projected at $21.5 billion, down $4.5 billion >from the August projection, and $5.9 billion less than the record $27.4-billion surplus in 1996. Table 1--U.S. agricultural trade, fiscal years, 1992-1997 ______________________________________________________________________________ -- Year ending September 30 -- : Fiscal : Fiscal : Fiscal : Fiscal : Fiscal : Forecast Item : 1992 : 1993 : 1994 : 1995 : 1996 : Fiscal 1997 : : : : : : Aug. : Dec. ___________________________________________________________________________ : -- Billion dollars -- : Exports : 42.5 42.7 43.9 54.6 59.8 58.0 55.5 : Imports : 24.3 24.5 26.4 29.6 32.4 32.0 34.0 _______________________________________________________________________________ Trade : balance : 18.2 18.2 17.5 25.0 27.4 26.0 21.5 : ______________________________________________________________________________ : -- Million metric tons -- Export : volume : 143.6 146.4 127.5 169.7 158.4 150.5 146.7 : ______________________________________________________________________________ This outlook reflects commodity forecasts in the November 12, 1996, World Agricultural Supply and Demand Estimates. Table 2--U.S. agricultural exports: Value by commodity, 1994-97 ______________________________________________________________________________ : Fiscal : Fiscal : Fiscal : Fiscal 1997 Commodity : 1994 : 1995 : 1996 : Forecast : : : : Aug. : Dec. ______________________________________________________________________________ : --Billion dollars-- Grains and feeds 1/ : 13.285 17.637 21.553 18.7 16.4 Wheat & flour : 4.228 5.201 7.032 4.8 3.9 Rice : .891 1.050 1.004 .9 .9 Coarse grains 2/ : 4.569 7.411 9.338 8.6 7.3 Corn : 3.817 6.619 8.369 7.6 6.5 Feeds and fodders : 2.150 2.511 2.627 2.9 2.7 : Oilseeds and products : 6.976 9.119 9.670 10.4 9.8 Soybeans : 4.161 5.274 6.312 6.7 6.4 Soybean meal : 1.013 1.079 1.305 1.3 1.3 Soybean oil : .433 .809 .272 .5 .4 : Livestock products : 6.343 7.808 8.067 9.3 8.7 Beef, pork & variety meats : 3.206 4.044 4.343 5.1 4.9 Hides & skins, incl. furs : 1.380 1.719 1.677 1.7 1.7 Poultry & products : 1.718 2.210 2.730 2.9 3.0 Dairy products : .810 .812 .719 .5 .7 Tobacco, unmanufactured : 1.260 1.329 1.393 1.4 1.4 Cotton & linters : 2.306 3.496 3.028 2.4 2.1 Seeds : .618 .680 .727 .7 .8 Horticultural products 5/ : 8.542 9.657 10.029 9.8 10.5 Fruits & preparations : 3.047 3.263 3.319 3.5 3.5 Vegetables & preparations : 2.169 2.538 2.423 2.6 2.6 Tree nuts & preparations : 1.124 1.108 1.374 1.3 1.3 Sugar, tropical, and other : 1.998 1.912 1.888 2.0 2.0 : Total 3/ : 43.856 54.637 59.804 58.0 55.5 ______________________________________________________________________________ Table 3--U.S. agricultural exports: Volume by commodity, 1994-97 ______________________________________________________________________________ : Fiscal : Fiscal : Fiscal : Fiscal 1997 Commodity : 1994 : 1995 : 1996 : Forecast : : : : Aug.: Dec. ______________________________________________________________________________ : --Million metric tons-- Wheat : 31.132 32.094 33.716 25.0 21.5 Wheat flour : 1.037 1.184 .470 1.0 .5 Rice : 2.438 3.767 2.831 2.3 2.3 Coarse grains 2/ : 39.845 65.670 58.656 58.0 56.0 Corn : 33.057 58.645 52.681 51.5 49.5 Feeds & fodders : 11.797 13.483 12.065 13.0 12.8 Oilseeds and products : 24.154 34.050 30.759 30.8 32.7 Soybeans : 16.364 23.584 22.372 22.3 23.7 Soybean meal : 4.859 6.094 5.445 5.2 5.7 Soybean oil : .694 1.216 .450 .8 .8 Beef, pork & variety meats : 1.025 1.262 1.410 1.6 1.5 Poultry meat : 1.364 1.901 2.330 2.5 2.6 Animal fats : 1.324 1.725 1.376 1.8 1.6 Cotton & linters : 1.639 2.068 1.703 1.5 1.4 Horticultural products : 6.595 7.041 7.139 7.5 7.5 Other : 5.191 5.438 5.917 5.5 6.3 Total agriculture : 127.541 169.683 158.372 150.5 146.7 Major bulk products 4/ : 91.418 127.183 119.278 109.1 104.9 _______________________________________________________________________________ 1/ Includes pulses and corn products. 2/ Includes corn, barley, sorghum, oats, and rye. 3/ Totals might not add due to rounding. 4/ Includes wheat, rice, coarse grains, soybeans, and cotton. 5/ Revised, contains essential oil items not included in the August forecast. The full text of OUTLOOK FOR U.S. AGRICULTURAL EXPORTS will be available in about a week. For further information contact Joel Greene at (202) 219-0816. END_OF_FILE --- QMPro 1.53 Santa on the Web From herd@macgw1.crd.ge.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:18 EST 1996 Article: 6269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.he.net!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!usenet From: herd Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beeswax bleaching Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 13:54:59 -0500 Organization: GE Corp R&D Center, Schenectady NY Lines: 24 Message-ID: <32A71A83.507E@macgw1.crd.ge.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: herd.crd.ge.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) I have about 40 lbs of beeswax in a double-boiler type of a candle dipping tank. The inner wax container is made from a 5 gallon maple syrup-type steel can wit the top removed. Over a period of about six months I have been dipping candles and adding clean yellow wax (100+ pounds), but the wax bath is gradually darkening to a greenish color. I am in the process of switching over to a stainless-steel inner container, since I suspect that the molten wax reacts with the steel container in some way, causing discoloration. My question is twofold: first, are there other mechanisms that anybody is aware of that could lead to gradual darkening of the wax, such as extended periods of heating, having stray bundles of wicking continuously submerged at the bottom of the tank, or other causes? Secondly, I will be starting with a 'clean' inventory in my new stainless-steel dipping tank, but I would still like use the 40 pounds of dark wax I have in the old tank. I can either add it in small proportions back to my main tank (i.e. dilute it), or try to 'bleach' it separately to restore it to its lighter yellow color. If anyone has any good suggestions for a small-scale bleaching process (for wax darkened by contact with steel, e.g.), I would appreciate hearing about them. I have tried a hydrogen-peroxide process (from a recent beekeeping mag) with very limited success. Kenneth G. Herd Niskayuna, NY From dennism546@aol.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:19 EST 1996 Article: 6270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dennism546@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How can I feed my bees during the winter Date: 6 Dec 1996 01:45:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <19961206014500.UAA11201@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <848806744.25085@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader I do not know what your weather is where you are. Here, in south west Oregon, USA, it is often cool to cold (under 50 degrees f.) and wet. The bees simply cannot use sugar sirup in these conditions. Emergency feeding is done (here) with drivert sugar or even regular cane sugar put inside the hive. Top feeders (a tray similar to an inner cover, but deeper) seem to work also. I have poored sugar between frames in a corner of the hive. The point is to get the sugar next to the bees any way you can. It has usually saved the colony when I have had to do this. Good luck!! From dennism546@aol.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:21 EST 1996 Article: 6271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dennism546@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Optimum Distance Date: 6 Dec 1996 01:45:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19961206014500.UAA11207@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <01bbe19c$2199dca0$807f16cb@david> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In this area, (NW Oregon, USA), the local folks say 1/4 to 1/2 mile, though it seems to vary tremendusly with the weather. Cold/wet/wind = short distance, warm/still = longer distances. Yard size, hive strength, food source quality, etc. seems to influence things too. Also, you might try http://www.nhb.org. Haven't been there yet myself Dennis From mjensen@crl.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:22 EST 1996 Article: 6272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.edu.tw!spring.edu.tw!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!news.pbi.net!news5.crl.com!nexp.crl.com!usenet From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax bleaching Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 06:04:33 GMT Organization: No Junk Mail Lines: 17 Message-ID: <32a7b581.8837165@nnrp.crl.com> References: <32A71A83.507E@macgw1.crd.ge.com> Reply-To: mjensen@crl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: crl9.crl.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 My bees tell me herd wrote: If anyone has any good >suggestions for a small-scale bleaching process (for wax darkened by contact >with steel, e.g.), I would appreciate hearing about them. I have tried a >hydrogen-peroxide process (from a recent beekeeping mag) with very limited >success. I have had some success with EDTA (ethylene diamine tetraacetic acid, I think). It removes some of the metals which are the main culprits in darkening of the wax. I have managed to get some batches of brown wax to a dark orange, but it is very hard to get it any lighter. Commercially it is done with pressure filtering through very fine filter material. The EDTA is added to wax over boiling water and allowed to boil for a while. Good luck. -- Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com Los Altos Hills California fax 415 941-3488 From amschelp@pe.net Mon Dec 9 11:59:23 EST 1996 Article: 6273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I wonder - Shall I Keep Bees This Spring? Date: 7 Dec 1996 02:40:34 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 25 Message-ID: <58alf2$e1k@nntp.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: arlington.pe.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!andromeda.vec.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!dciteleport.com!feed1.news.erols.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!198.6.114.27!intac!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!news.corpcomm.net!news.pe.net!usenet It is almost the winter solstice and then soon it will be bee season again. Will I keep a colony this year? Those hive bodies are all needing cleaning. The frames will be even a bigger progect. I will have to get one of those sharp tools to dig the old wax and propolis out of the grooves in the frames. Maybe I could use some other tool to dig out those grooves. I have wire and a stack of foundation. Maybe I will just clean the frames and put a narrow strip of foundation at the top of the frame and not bother with the wire. I wonder where I should order my package bees? Maybe the guy who sold me the royal jelly is where I should order the package. That was nice of him to sell me a small amount on credit. Should I try to raise a queen or two again this year? It was fun to drop the little larvae onto the pool of royal jelly that time. What if the bees go hogwild like they did in my first year and make so much honey that I can hardly keep up with them with my little plastic two-frame spinner? My kitchen is not the best place to extract, but it was adequate before. Will I be up to this task? It would be better not to start a colony than to end up not perfoming my duty to keep the hive as best I can. That was awesome, the way the bees hovered and flew almost everywhere in the clearing I had cut in my bamboo grove. And that wonderful smell from inside the hive! And the sound! C'est magnifique! I wonder what is my deadline date to decide - no, if I do it I should start soon and do a little work regularly on the frames and hive boxes, a little at a time on a regular basis like the bees do. We can learn a lot from bees. Hmmmmmmm. Well, I will think more about this later as there is still plenty of time to decide. From Bill_Fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Mon Dec 9 11:59:25 EST 1996 Article: 6274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hp.fciencias.unam.mx!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news From: Bill Fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How can I feed my bees during the winter Date: 7 Dec 1996 05:10:45 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 11 Message-ID: <58au8l$3n0@fountain.mindlink.net> References: <848806744.25085@dejanews.com> <19961206014500.UAA11201@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: line214.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) To: dennism546@aol.com X-URL: news:19961206014500.UAA11201@ladder01.news.aol.com I find this to be an interesting reply, I have been feeding syrup down to below freezing here in Vancouver Canada, with better luck. The bees seem to take it in any temperature, so wonder what the difference is, maybe mine is thinner or thicker than yours. Another trick used in this area, is to put about 5 lbs of sugar on the top board, put an empty super over that, then put a layer of newspaper over it all. Paper keeps in the heat, absorbs some of the condensation >from the bees, other condensation goes to wet the sugar so the bees can soak it up, and of course, terramycin is added to the dry sugar. From Bill_Fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Mon Dec 9 11:59:26 EST 1996 Article: 6275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news1.netusa.net!cancer.vividnet.com!news11.agis.net!agis!newspeer1.agis.net!agis!news1.exit109.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!204.191.160.4!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news From: Bill Fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone trying Pierco products? Date: 7 Dec 1996 05:06:11 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 7 Message-ID: <58au03$3n0@fountain.mindlink.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: line214.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) To: b-man@aliens.com X-URL: news:b-man-0212962353420001@s207.aliens.com I would say my experience with them is favourable. I used for both brood and honey, and worked ok in strong flows. I can't take the time to go back to the wood and wiring and all that. Best experience was with Dadant size frames, very good there. Worked well in extractor, but if you go too fast everything comes off sometimes. From frank@intec.edu.za Mon Dec 9 11:59:27 EST 1996 Article: 6276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Frank Maunder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: looking for an expert/author Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 19:00:07 +0200 Organization: Intec College Lines: 17 Message-ID: <32A9A297.A38@intec.edu.za> Reply-To: frank@intec.edu.za NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-7-74-248.iafrica.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) CC: karl@intec.edu.za Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!andromeda.vec.net!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!metro.atlanta.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!wits.uni.net.za!ru.uni.net.za!uct.uni.net.za!iafrica.com!not-for-mail Greetings Beekeepers I am looking for a beekeeping specialist who also has an interest in writing, with a view finding someone to author a distance learning course in beekeeping. My name is Frank Maunder. I am the ceo of International Colleges Group (ICG). Please visit our three colleges at http://www.intec.edu.za You will see that we are a specialist distance learning institution, that we are currently teaching about 150 000 students and that we offer quite a wide range of courses. Would any interested persons please contact me by Email at frank@intec.edu.za Thanks. From frank@intec.edu.za Mon Dec 9 11:59:28 EST 1996 Article: 6277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.interactive.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!wits.uni.net.za!ru.uni.net.za!uct.uni.net.za!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: Frank Maunder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: looking for an author Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 18:58:36 +0200 Organization: Intec College Lines: 17 Message-ID: <32A9A23C.7AFA@intec.edu.za> Reply-To: frank@intec.edu.za NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-7-74-248.iafrica.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) CC: karl@intec.edu.za Greetings Beekeepers I am looking for a beekeeping specialist who also has an interest in writing, with a view finding someone to authoring a distance learning course in beekeeping. My name is Frank Maunder. I am the ceo of International Colleges Group (ICG). Please visit our three colleges at http://www.intec.edu.za You will see that we are a specialist distance learning institution, that we are currently teaching about 150 000 students and that we offer quite a wide range of courses. Would any interested persons please contact me by Email at frank@intec.edu.za Thanks. From frank@intec.edu.za Mon Dec 9 11:59:29 EST 1996 Article: 6278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.interactive.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!wits.uni.net.za!ru.uni.net.za!uct.uni.net.za!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: Frank Maunder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: looking for an expert/author Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 18:59:23 +0200 Organization: Intec College Lines: 17 Message-ID: <32A9A26B.1D00@intec.edu.za> Reply-To: frank@intec.edu.za NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-7-74-248.iafrica.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) CC: karl@intec.edu.za Greetings Beekeepers I am looking for a beekeeping specialist who also has an interest in writing, with a view finding someone to authoring a distance learning course in beekeeping. My name is Frank Maunder. I am the ceo of International Colleges Group (ICG). Please visit our three colleges at http://www.intec.edu.za You will see that we are a specialist distance learning institution, that we are currently teaching about 150 000 students and that we offer quite a wide range of courses. Would any interested persons please contact me by Email at frank@intec.edu.za Thanks. From drgonfly@ultranet.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:30 EST 1996 Article: 6279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!uunet!in1.uu.net!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!usenet From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do I need to shovel snow from hives? Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 00:04:52 -0800 Organization: Biosource Lines: 9 Message-ID: <32AA76A4.DA8@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: biosource.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Hi. I am a hobby keeper, which may be obvious from this question. Do I need to shovel snow from my bee hives? Also, I put a fron entrance reducer, but have an oval hole in the top hive cover. Should I cover that up too, or do the bees need the air? I live in Worcester, MA, which is pretty cold. Regards, Marc Andelman From dokeefe@tiac.net Mon Dec 9 11:59:31 EST 1996 Article: 6280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!199.0.65.182!news-in.tiac.net!posterchild!news@tiac.net From: "The Honey Farm" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax bleaching Date: 8 Dec 1996 05:52:48 GMT Organization: yellowbirch studios Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bbe4cb$c7775080$68ed77ce@dennishome> References: <32A71A83.507E@macgw1.crd.ge.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.ts1.brock.ma.tiac.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1141 I don't know if it'll help, but there was an article in Bee Culture this fall (August Issue) on candle making. The author used hydrogen peroxide to bleach the wax. He was using 1-2 oz of peroxide for each pound of wax. You melt the wax, then add the peroxide. Stir the mixture, and in a few minutes, it will start bubbling. That is the peroxide going to work. You might want to wear gloves to reduce steam burns on your hands. When the foaming stops, the peroxide is gone and the wax is lighter (about 30-60 minutes). You must keep stirring for about 30 seconds every 5 minutes after the foaming starts to let the peroxide work on the whole batch of wax. Good luck Dennis From tvf@umich.edu Mon Dec 9 11:59:32 EST 1996 Article: 6281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!news2.acs.oakland.edu!nntp.coast.net!news.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do I need to shovel snow from hives? Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 01:31:00 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 18 Message-ID: <32AA5286.7971@umich.edu> References: <32AA76A4.DA8@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm054-05.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Marc Andelman wrote: > > Hi. I am a hobby keeper, which may be obvious from this > question. Do I need to shovel snow from my bee hives? > Also, I put a fron entrance reducer, but have an oval > hole in the top hive cover. Should I cover that up too, > or do the bees need the air? I live in Worcester, MA, which > is pretty cold. IMHO, the answer depends on snow depth. Bees need access to the outside in order to fly on warm sunny winter days, so the snow should not block the entrance. I drill 7/8 in. holes in the front of my hive bodies for extra entrances, in case the snow blocks the lower entrance before I can get to clear it away. About the inner cover hole - leave it open because the hive needs ventilation to get rid of moisture in the winter. Ted Fischer Dexter, Michigan USA From mlmpro@juno.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:33 EST 1996 Article: 6282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!super.zippo.com!zdc-e!zippo!drn From: mlmpro@juno.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: for Sale:Extractor Date: 7 Dec 1996 14:19:01 -0800 Organization: Zip News Lines: 5 Sender: usenet@ftp.zippo.com Message-ID: <58cqgl$g0i@lana.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.137.34.41 Hello there, I have a dadant 2 frame hand driven extractor like new used once. Its a J. B. Extractor model M00390 for $150.00 Also an uncapping tub M00559 for $30.00 Also Uncapping hot knives runs on 110-v $35.00 each Thank You Alan, mlmpro@juno.com From david@bright.net Mon Dec 9 11:59:34 EST 1996 Article: 6283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hp.fciencias.unam.mx!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.worldpath.net!wolverine.hq.cic.net!news.ann-arbor.cic.net!news.bright.net!news From: David Liberman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mason Bee's Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 19:48:25 -0500 Organization: DPS Lines: 7 Message-ID: <32AA1059.4C27@bright.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: defi2-cs-10.dial.bright.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Anybody have plans or instruction for building a Mason Bee nesting site? Thanks. Please respond to david@bright.net David From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:36 EST 1996 Article: 6284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hp.fciencias.unam.mx!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping software... Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 16:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <961208112232493@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 22 FYI* from the B-List. ---------------------------------------- From: Nick Wallingford Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 18:49:55 +1100 Subject: Beekeeping software... There's a bit of Kiwi software available for trialling on the Web. Phil Radford, a local programmer, wrote B-Plus for a nearby pollination beekeeper. He has an evaluation version (5 sites only) that you can download to trial. Write him a note with comments and tell him you heard about it from BEE-L! http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/radcomp/ (\ Nick Wallingford {|||8- home nickw@wave.co.nz (/ work nw1@boppoly.ac.nz NZ Beekeeping http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/nickw/nzbkpg.htm --- QMPro 1.53 - Busy As A Bee With This Mail From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:36 EST 1996 Article: 6285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hp.fciencias.unam.mx!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!info.ucla.edu!nnrp.info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Killerbee hype Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 16:14:00 GMT Message-ID: <961208112232494@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 114 Hello Chris, First I must say that I am opinionated, but I do base my opinions on a extensive personal history of commercial beekeeping in the west; California, Arizona, and Colorado. I have no doubts that what you say of your experience with African Bees in Texas is the truth. I have not been to Texas to see for myself so I am not in a position to comment first hand. Here in California we have Texas bees, maybe 6,000 hives this area that are moved here for the almond pollination from the so called quarantine areas. It is reported that these bees on arrival here are indeed more aggressive then normal, but within a few weeks are not. I have know two of these Texas beekeepers for almost a lifetime and they are both very good queen breeders besides being among the largest producers of honey in the nation. They do not say that the TEX-Mex Afro bee is a problem they have not been able to overcome, including the government regulations. California also has been receiving the so called Afro bees the natural way by way of Arizona according to the USDA, and the University of California and they have been identified as AFRICAN using the latest DNA tests, and have been reported to have attacked at least two people. The latest press release from the University just made last week is that the African bee found in California is a NON EVENT in California. This was after two or three seasons of looking at the spread of them outside then California regulated area. My own step son has pure-o Mexican Afro bees in his beekeeping operation in Arizona, tested and certified by the government, and has reported that a few of them are indeed more testy then the average hive but has had no problems with then and thinks he has benefited because they are heavy brood producers which he uses to make up nucs. He is a life long 3rd generation beekeeper operation a no move commercial outfit that has been in the same place for over 50 years. He also is a commercial queen breeder and has worked several queen seasons in Florida with his father in law who is one of the nations finest queen breeders who also is a commercial honey producer in Wisconsin. I can report from first hand experience with the same Arizona outfit that I worked before the advent of Afro bees is that they are the most aggressive bees that I had ever worked with and I myself believed that something was different with them. I spent 5 years requeening them with nice yellow bees from California from people who had from my own experience very gentle bees. (Oliver Hill and Kohnen's) One season I took 500 singles that I had worked down in California without the use of a veil to Arizona. All these things did not make any difference as far as the temper or aggressive nature of this outfit as the day after unloading the bees from California they were very aggressive and no different from the local bees or the Mexican bees that for years have given great pride to their keepers at being very aggressive keeping down theft and vandalism. RN>Andy, I am confused (just ask my wife!). You stated that those fellas = >in the film were basically full of crap, yet all the old time beekeepers = >I hang around with (70+ years old) say with the killer bee here, Austin, = >there have been some aggresive bees. I have voluteered to work with = >some Africanized colonies (Manor, Tx) and I could tell IMMEDIATELY they = >were very, very, very mean. I have never came across European bees this = >mean. Also I am a member of the Central Texas Honey Bee Stewards and we = >have had numerous folks from Texas A&M and down at the Weslaco facility = >tell us the same story about how these bees came to join us recently. = You should ask your friends from Texas A&M, (Howdy Aggie's!), to ask the so called scientists at Weslaco if any of them have ever staged demonstrations of aggressive "killer bees" for the visual press to gain personal notoriety for their research. I would say that some of them are less then honest in promoting their brand of so called Bee Science, (BS). Not only in Arizona but other places as well. >If the African bee has been around so long then why has the entire = >beekeeping community and bee scientific community bitten off on this = >hair-brained idea? I can't answer this, but believe it may be because very little was known of the feral population of bees in the US before the arrival of the African bee. Over the years there has been many reports of bad temper in bees from various locations in the US. If there is one thing in common it seems they do live in the sticky bush desert areas from California to Texas. Maybe its all that Mesquite and Catclaw pasture that does it. >I am not arguing with you and have great respect = >for, reading your threads for a long time but I am confused that = >everyone (that I have come across) disagrees with you. If the African = >Bee has been around for a long time, why can't we find some of these = >Feral colonies? I have never come across one prior to the first = >announcement of the killer bees here in Texas. Its a little late to look in areas that already have confirmed Afro bees, but here in California some interesting work was done prior to the arrival of them in the US and in both the feral and hive bees it was found African genes were common from one end of the state to the other, including one hive that passed every known test for being 100% African. This hives was in a public park adjacent to a riding trail and never caused a problem as none of the hives tested showed any signs of being more aggressive then any other hive. RN>Again, I am not arguing with you just confused. Yes, it is easy to bee confused, all one has to do to qualify for that job is get some bees. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- QMPro 1.53 "Where there is honey, there are beekeepers" From mjensen@crl.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:37 EST 1996 Article: 6286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!news.pbi.net!news5.crl.com!nexp.crl.com!usenet From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax bleaching Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 05:09:32 GMT Organization: No Junk Mail Lines: 10 Message-ID: <32ab9e2c.1885562@nnrp.crl.com> References: <32A71A83.507E@macgw1.crd.ge.com> <01bbe4cb$c7775080$68ed77ce@dennishome> Reply-To: mjensen@crl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: crl5.crl.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 My bees tell me "The Honey Farm" wrote: >You must keep stirring for about 30 seconds every 5 minutes after >the foaming starts to let the peroxide work on the whole batch of wax. Actually, the foaming stirs the wax more than adequately. Physical stirring is unnecessary besides being very unpleasant and somewhat dangerous. -- Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com Los Altos Hills California fax 415 941-3488 From your_login@clear.net.nz Mon Dec 9 11:59:38 EST 1996 Article: 6290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!128.250.1.21!munnari.OZ.AU!comp.vuw.ac.nz!news.hn.netlink.co.nz!clear.net.nz!news From: "Your Name" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: GOOD JIG DESIGN for waxing and wiring frames ... Date: 9 Dec 1996 09:22:52 GMT Organization: CLEAR Net Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bbe5b0$06b5c080$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u10.acld.clear.net.nz X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Hi, I am David from Auckland. I am looking for an improved Jig design for waxing and wiring my frames. Here are some guidlines: 1) It must be of a strong design, that could even be made out of metal. 2) Esay to transport, preferrably able to be packed away. 3) Able to do both waxing and wiring. 4) One of my main problems is holding down the topbar as you are pulling up the wire, Topbar has to be clamped or supported. I am looking for a design/plan that I can use this season. Any ideas or direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. From your_login@clear.net.nz Mon Dec 9 11:59:39 EST 1996 Article: 6291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!comp.vuw.ac.nz!news.hn.netlink.co.nz!clear.net.nz!news From: "Your Name" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: GOOD JIG DESIGN for waxing and wiring frames ... Date: 9 Dec 1996 09:22:53 GMT Organization: CLEAR Net Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bbe5b1$1aa03660$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u10.acld.clear.net.nz X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Hi, I am David from Auckland. I am looking for an improved Jig design for waxing and wiring my frames. Here are some guidlines: 1) It must be of a strong design, that could even be made out of metal. 2) Esay to transport, preferrably able to be packed away. 3) Able to do both waxing and wiring. 4) One of my main problems is holding down the topbar as you are pulling up the wire, Topbar has to be clamped or supported. I am looking for a design/plan that I can use this season. Any ideas or direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. From alyn@emphasys.demon.co.uk Mon Dec 9 11:59:40 EST 1996 Article: 6292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do I need to shovel snow from hives? Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:25:46 +0000 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <32AA76A4.DA8@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 In article <32AA76A4.DA8@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman writes > Do I need to shovel snow from my bee hives? Snow is a good insulator, so I wouldn't brush snow from on top of, or around, your hives *****EXCEPT***** that sunlight reflected on snow in front of the hive entrance can temp your bees out for cleansing flights, with fatal consequences if the air temperature is low. We aren't troubled with much snow here on the West Coast of the U.K., but the recommended response is to lay a board against the hive front so it casts a shadow on the entrance and doesn't get the bees excited over so much incomming light. >Also, I put a fron entrance reducer, but have an oval >hole in the top hive cover. Should I cover that up too, >or do the bees need the air? I live in Worcester, MA, which >is pretty cold. There are almost as many different opinions about ventilation as there are bee-keepers. I tend to leave a hole in the crown board, covered with a piece of wire mesh, and then put a square of carpet over the crown board before adding the roof, on the basis of insulation plus some ventilation, but I'm sure you'll get a lot of different ideas on this! -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) From lblowers@clear.net.nz Mon Dec 9 11:59:41 EST 1996 Article: 6293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!202.37.60.10!comp.vuw.ac.nz!news.hn.netlink.co.nz!clear.net.nz!news From: "L. D. Blowers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: GOOD JIG DESIGN for waxing and wiring frames Date: 9 Dec 1996 10:34:05 GMT Organization: CLEAR Net Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bbe5bb$b15fa0e0$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u17.acld.clear.net.nz X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Hi, I am David from Auckland. I am looking for an improved Jig design for waxing and wiring my frames. Here are some guidlines: 1) It must be of a strong design, that could even be made out of metal. 2) Esay to transport, preferrably able to be packed away. 3) Able to do both waxing and wiring. 4) One of my main problems is holding down the topbar as you are pulling up the wire, Topbar has to be clamped or supported. I am looking for a design/plan that I can use this season. Any ideas or direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. From thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be Mon Dec 9 11:59:43 EST 1996 Article: 6294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!se.bel.alcatel.be!htho From: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (Hugo Thone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: looking for an expert/author Date: 9 Dec 1996 12:53:53 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Lines: 12 Sender: htho@btma56 (Hugo Thone) Distribution: world Message-ID: <58h251$sle@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> References: <32A9A297.A38@intec.edu.za> Reply-To: thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Host: btmv56.se.bel.alcatel.be X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-10 How many beekeeper specialists do you actually need? ;-) Cheers +++++ Hugo Thone (SE144) ALCATEL TELECOM (\ email : thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 B-2018 Antwerp (/ fax : (32) 3 240 99 50 do bee do bee do .... From lblowers@clear.net.nz Mon Dec 9 11:59:44 EST 1996 Article: 6295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!204.127.130.5!worldnet.att.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.hn.netlink.co.nz!clear.net.nz!news From: "L. D. Blowers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: GOOD JIG DESIGN for waxing and wiring frames Date: 9 Dec 1996 10:37:01 GMT Organization: CLEAR Net Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bbe5bc$d4ade880$113061cb@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u17.acld.clear.net.nz X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Hi, I am David from Auckland. I am looking for an improved Jig design for waxing and wiring my frames. Here are some guidlines: 1) It must be of a strong design, that could even be made out of metal. 2) Esay to transport, preferrably able to be packed away. 3) Able to do both waxing and wiring. 4) One of my main problems is holding down the topbar as you are pulling up the wire, Topbar has to be clamped or supported. I am looking for a design/plan that I can use this season. Any ideas or direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. From drgonfly@ultranet.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:45 EST 1996 Article: 6296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!news2.acs.oakland.edu!nntp.coast.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!usenet From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bored bees. Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 10:19:21 -0800 Organization: Biosource Lines: 7 Message-ID: <32AC5829.33EF@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: biosource.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Hi. What can one do to help your bees fight winter boredom. I think that is the real reason they die off in the winter. How about piping in cable TV to them? Regards, Marc Andelman From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Dec 9 11:59:46 EST 1996 Article: 6297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do I need to shovel snow from hives? Date: Mon, 09 Dec 96 08:28:37 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 42 Message-ID: <17858773AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <32AA76A4.DA8@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <32AA76A4.DA8@ultranet.com> Marc Andelman writes: > >Hi. I am a hobby keeper, which may be obvious from this >question. Do I need to shovel snow from my bee hives? >Also, I put a fron entrance reducer, but have an oval >hole in the top hive cover. Should I cover that up too, >or do the bees need the air? I live in Worcester, MA, which >is pretty cold. > >Regards, >Marc Andelman Hi Marc, Suffering from two major snow dumps in three days? If the snow has covered the reduced entrance and if you have provided no top entrances then you will have to clear an entrance for your bees to take cleansing flights when the temperatures get high enough (45 F). The oval hole in the inner cover will allow your bees to come and go if you prop up the outer cover by putting a spacer (pencil) between the inner and outter cover. Upper entrances are a good idea in these parts anyway. Besides snow build up, in the winter dead bees may also clog the bottom entrance. Other common upper entrances include a half inch auger hole drilled in the upper brood box or a small notch (1X3/8 inch) routed in the inner cover. I prefer the latter as I hate to drill holes in brood boxes and with box swapping, the box with the hole always seems to end up on the bottom in subsequent years (not a big deal, but the notched inner cover ALWAYS remains on top). Furthermore, the notched inner cover can be opened or closed simply by shifting the outter cover forward to open or back tightly against the notch to close. This allows you to have an open top entrance in the winter when it's needed and closed in the summer when the bees have unobstructed use of the bottom board entrance. A final word of advice, if you are not a member of the Worcester County Beekeepers Association, join! It is the best beekeeping association I have ever witnessed and the members are full of good advice. You won't find a better bunch of beekeepers or a better association! Aaronb Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Dec 13 12:17:29 EST 1996 Article: 6298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.enteract.com!news.he.net!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: for Sale:Extractor Date: Mon, 09 Dec 96 08:52:35 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <178587CD5S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <58cqgl$g0i@lana.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <58cqgl$g0i@lana.zippo.com> mlmpro@juno.com writes: > >Hello there, I have a dadant 2 frame hand driven extractor like new used >once. Its a J. B. Extractor model M00390 for $150.00 >Also an uncapping tub M00559 for $30.00 >Also Uncapping hot knives runs on 110-v $35.00 each >Thank You Alan, mlmpro@juno.com Can we assume by your provider (juno.com) that you are located in Alaska? /Aa From jim@jennysfarm.dungeon.com Fri Dec 13 12:17:30 EST 1996 Article: 6299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: jim@jennysfarm.dungeon.com (jim stevens) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarming after a thunderstorm? Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 19:57:58 GMT Organization: Dungeon Network Systems Lines: 21 Message-ID: <32ac7b03.0@news.flexnet.net> Reply-To: jim@jennysfarm.dungeon.com NNTP-Posting-Host: news.flexnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!andromeda.vec.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!news.flexnet.net!jennysfarm.dungeon.com Hi My girlfriend is helping produce a play in Sydney called the Herbal Bed. It is set in Stratford, England where it has been very hot and dry for 8 days. Two of the lines are:- "the bees didn't swarm then?" "no, we need a good thunderstorm to get them stirring" She would like to know i) why they want the bees to swarm? ii) would they not swarm in hot/dry weather? iii) why would a thunderstorm make them swarm? Thank you for any help Jim Stevens (for Jane FitzGerald - fitz@s054.aone.net.au) From watchman@CUPID.COM Fri Dec 13 12:17:31 EST 1996 Article: 6300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!PaperBoy.LiveNet.Net!CUPID.COM From: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 96 02:26:24 -0500 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extrator for Sale Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: CUPID.COM X-MajorTCP-Version: MajorTCP/IP [2.10-0] Lines: 15 -=> Quoting Int:mpidjk@aol.com to ** All ** <=- In> I have a 2 or 4 frame manual extrator for sale. It was used only 2-3 In> times. It's stainless stell and in excellent condition. I'm taking In> the best offer on it. Thanks! Please email or post with interest. Hi! Are you close to Tidewater area of Virginia? Watchman ... I call things as I see them; If I didn't see them, I make them up! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 From gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Fri Dec 13 12:17:32 EST 1996 Article: 6301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nick's List for BEE Surfers. Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 21:20:19 GMT Lines: 19 Message-ID: <199612082120.VAA00459@apis.demon.co.uk> X-Mail2News-User: gordon@apis.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: relay-7.mail.demon.net!relay-6.mail.demon.net!apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Mike Pheysey (mikeph@hpcpbla.bri.hp.com) wrote: > First of all thank you to Nick Wallingford and Andy Nachbaur > for providing, between them, a superb compendium of bee websites. Here here. And thanks also to Mike for his conversion to html, which I've now taken still further into a even neater formatted document (with my page & the Natiuonal Honey Board also added). It's on my homepage: Nick's Bee surfer list regards, -- Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk gordon@multitone.co.uk (work) The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk Gordon's Apis Home Page Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. Hampshire, England. From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Fri Dec 13 12:17:33 EST 1996 Article: 6302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!204.191.160.4!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!allen From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: GOOD JIG DESIGN for waxing and wiring frames ... Date: Tue, 10 Dec 96 15:28:58 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 20 Message-ID: <58k37q$jmk@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <01bbe5b1$1aa03660$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp21.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 >Hi, I am David from Auckland. I am looking for an improved Jig design for >waxing and wiring my frames. IMO, forget wax foundation. Try the plastic foundation. It is vastly superior. I know -- people are going to say it is unnatural, but heck, *wax* foundation is unnatural, especially if the wax is bleached... Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Dec 13 12:17:34 EST 1996 Article: 6303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bored bees. Date: 10 Dec 1996 21:16:02 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 18 Message-ID: <58kjui$f7i@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <32AC5829.33EF@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <32AC5829.33EF@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman wrote: >Hi. What can one do to help your bees fight >winter boredom. I think that is the real reason >they die off in the winter. How about >piping in cable TV to them? Hey, maybe they aren't bored--maybe they are *overstimulated* in their cluster. Some soothing new-age music might calm them down. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html From purcell@atlanta.com Fri Dec 13 12:17:35 EST 1996 Article: 6304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!155.229.2.176!metro.atlanta.com!not-for-mail From: purcell@atlanta.com (Michael Purcell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bored bees. Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 22:25:35 GMT Organization: Internet Atlanta Lines: 19 Message-ID: <32ade215.125849@nntp.atlanta.com> References: <32AC5829.33EF@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: purcell.atlanta.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.339 Marc Andelman wrote: >Hi. What can one do to help your bees fight >winter boredom. I think that is the real reason >they die off in the winter. How about >piping in cable TV to them? > >Regards, >Marc Andelman You should give the real young bees mittens and boots and a good snow suit. Give them a few sleds and let them go out and play in the snow like all young folks do. The older bees should have computers, so they can spend the long winter days of confinement learning a programming language. That should keep them from being bored, and I bet you won't lose a hive! -- Michael Purcell purcell@atlanta.com From fragoso@embratel.net.br Fri Dec 13 12:17:36 EST 1996 Article: 6305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.embratel.net.br!usenet From: Jose Carlos Fragoso Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rabbits - vaccine Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:10:27 -0800 Organization: Fragoso Advogados Lines: 9 Message-ID: <32AE1813.670B@embratel.net.br> Reply-To: fragoso@embratel.net.br NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.255.255.194 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) Please, I live in Brazil and breed rabbits. I need information about a vaccine to prevent a disease called "MIXIMATOSIS". If anyone have information about the Lab producing that vaccine and/or address/telephone number I would be very thankful. my e-mail is: fragoso@embratel.net.br Thanks in advance. From hochheimer@aol.com Fri Dec 13 12:17:38 EST 1996 Article: 6306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!imci5!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hochheimer@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Asian Honeybees Date: 11 Dec 1996 02:47:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <19961211024700.VAA08030@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com A friend recently asked me whether it would be possible to set up a beginner's beehive with the Asian honeybee - apis cerana? He had read of their disease and mite resistance. I am not aware of any other races of honeybees - other than apis mellifera in the US, or even if it would be legall to bring them into the country. From what I've read, they could survive here (we're in eastern PA), but probably require a smaller hive. Can someone help me with a proper answer to this question? Thanks, Tom Hochheimer Hochheimer@aol.com From wuhlman@aol.com Fri Dec 13 12:17:40 EST 1996 Article: 6307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wuhlman@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Best Queen ? Date: 11 Dec 1996 06:40:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <19961211063900.BAA14628@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com New amateur beekeeper requests opinions on best queen variety? From jwg6@cornell.edu Fri Dec 13 12:17:41 EST 1996 Article: 6309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: QUICK waxing and wiring frames ... Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:32:43 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 62 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <01bbe5b0$06b5c080$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1024.cit.cornell.edu Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!andromeda.vec.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1024.cit.cornell.edu!user In article <01bbe5b0$06b5c080$LocalHost@default>, "Your Name" wrote: > Hi, I am David from Auckland. I am looking for an improved Jig design for > waxing and wiring my frames. > Here are some guidlines: > 1) It must be of a strong design, that could even be made out of metal. > 2) Esay to transport, preferrably able to be packed away. > 3) Able to do both waxing and wiring. > 4) One of my main problems is holding down the topbar as you are pulling > up the wire, Topbar has to be clamped or supported. > > I am looking for a design/plan that I can use this season. > Any ideas or direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Hi David. I used to use a jig, but found it difficult to wire frames rapidly. Maybe I'm just lazy, but I came up with an easy way. Let me describe how I do it without a jig, as perhaps you would be interested in trying it. I only use two wires across each sheet of foundation, to hold it straight and centered in the frame. The upper portion of the sheet is anchored by the wedge in the top bar, and the lower portion is anchored by its fitting in to the bottom bar, and being fixed by the bees there as well. I hold the frame in my left hand, and with my right I "thread" the wire through the eyelets so I have two wires crossing the frame. Next, I start a brad (small nail) into the end bar, wrap the end of the wire around it a few times, and drive it in. Then I wiggle or snip off the pigtail sticking out from under the nail-head. So one end of the wire is anchored, and the wire passes across the frame twice and comes out of the end now facing "up" at me, and leads back to the spool. Now I grab the wire with my right hand, a short distance away from where it emerges from the end-bar hole, and tug firmly to take up any slack. Now the easy part: I set the opposite end bar against the edge of my work bench, and lean gently on the frame while pulling on the wire. What happens is, the frame bows, ever so slightly, and I take up the slack by pulling on the wire. NOW right away, while the frame is still under tension, I wrap the wire around another brad which has been set into the edge of the end bar near where the wire passes thru. A few quick wraps, then drive that 2nd brad in, and wiggle or snip the wire off. That's it. The wire is well tense enough for supporting the comb straight and firm. It helps to have a little V or groove cut in the edge of the work table, so that when you press the frame toward it (to slightly bow the frame), the wire won't get pinched between the far end bar and the edge of the table iself. I hope this description is adequate. It is very fast. Then I insert a sheet of crimp-wired brood foundation, with hooks, nail the top-bar wedge back in, and the frame is ready for the embedder. My cheap method is to set the frames with foundation out in the sun, or on the warm hood of my car, for very few minutes, just to warm slightly. Then I set each frame over a simple embedding board, and run the hand (spur-wheel) embedder across the wires. Works like a charm, and the resulting combs are just great. From dnl@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au Fri Dec 13 12:17:42 EST 1996 Article: 6310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!not-for-mail From: dnl@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au (David 'Igor' Latter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: GOOD JIG DESIGN for waxing and wiring frames Date: 11 Dec 1996 14:55:34 +1100 Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 143 Distribution: world Message-ID: <58lbbm$992$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> References: <01bbe5bb$b15fa0e0$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.cs.rmit.edu.au NNTP-Posting-User: dnl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) "L. D. Blowers" writes: >Hi, I am David from Auckland. I am looking for an improved Jig design for >waxing and wiring my frames. >Here are some guidlines: >1) It must be of a strong design, that could even be made out of metal. >2) Esay to transport, preferrably able to be packed away. >3) Able to do both waxing and wiring. >4) One of my main problems is holding down the topbar as you are pulling >up the wire, Topbar has to be clamped or supported. >I am looking for a design/plan that I can use this season. >Any ideas or direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. I hope this is what you want. Good luck. David -------------------------------------------------------------- Wire tension setup. ------------------LLLLLL-------------LLLLLL---------- | ========================= | | ++++ | | | | + + [-] | | | | + + | | | | ++++ ---0| frame |0--- | | wire | | | | spool | | | | | | | | |_____________________| | | HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | | | | | | | ----------------------------------------------------- The wire spool is mounted on a large bolt and washers to enable the wire spool to spin freely. The bit to the right [-] is something like a block of nylon, or whatever, I used nylon. It stops the wire spooling off the wire reel when you cut off the frame. (You get wire tangles without it) The wire is fed in the top hole of the frame and fed through the other holes and is terminated by wrapping the wire around a tack and driving it into the wood frame. The LLLLL bits on the top of the frame are bits of angle iron screwed onto the top side of the base with a flat side hanging over where the frame top board is shown. This holds it in position. The HHHHHHHHHHH at the bottom of the frame is just a bit of wood about the same height as the frame. These mounts must enable the top of the frame to slip under the angle iron at the top and to go neatly down beside the wood bar at the bottom. Ok, now you have the frame held into position with the wire terminated at the lower right side. The bits at the frame sides drawn as: ---0 enlarged will look like: ============================= | | \________/ / \ Side view Note machined grove around the centre |________| This is where the wire must be free to move from the second to the third hole. This only has to be done at the left side of the frame. ------ / \ |============================= \ 0 / ------ Top view. This is 180 degrees out for the left unit. note the offset hole. This slides over a small bolt (better if welded onto a thin plate if you use a wood base, or the bold moves in the wood. Screw the plate down well.) You then have a sort of cam. The one on the other side (right side) is the mirror image! (it does not have to have the grove cut in it) These cams are used to flex the end side of the frame in (dont over do it or you will bust the frame) You now pull the wire up firmly by hand, turn it around a tack half driven in above the top left hole, then hammer the tack in and flex the wire off. The wire snaps off under the tack head, which does not leave a sharp wire to jab your fingers! Then when you release the cams, the wire will be very firm. Notes: If you over tighten the wire, it will cut the frames, I use a bold ground down as a punch to make a 5mm 45 degree hollow at each hole at the side of the frame, this helps to stop the wire cutting too deep. You can use metal inserts or even a staple next to the hole postitioned where the wire runs over it. Also note, if the outside circle that presses into the wood is too smooth it will slip when you try to tie off the wire, releasing the wire tension. If this happens, use a grinder to rough it up a little. The cams are about 30 to 40 mm , but the size is not critical, just the cam action. I'll have to go home and properly measure mine if more details are needed. ------------------ To melt the wire into the foundation sheet, I have a thick (40mm) block of wood (must be flat) that is the right size for the frame to fit over it. A wax sheet is inserted into the cut at the top of the frame and held against the wire. The fame and wax sheet are slid over the wood block, with the wax down, under the wires!. Then using this: ====================================[T]== I I I I I The ===== is a wooden board a bit longer than the frames The [T] is a heavy push button switch The I are nails hammered into the board at the same height. Wires are soldered to the end two nails, one going via the switch and both going to a 6 volt transformer that is able to put out at least 3 or 4 amps. This tool is gently pressed on the wire, the switch pressed, the wire heats and slowly melts the wax, you release the switch as soon as the wire moves into the wax. You may hit the switch again to sink it in further... Note, this will only take a few seconds! Dont over do it or you will melt the wax in half. Hold the bar steady untill the wax sets a bit, which will only be a few seconds if you didnt overheat it. Dont use anything over 6 volts....it's too quick! I hope this helps a few people.... it took long enough to type! David. From dnl@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au Fri Dec 13 12:17:44 EST 1996 Article: 6311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!not-for-mail From: dnl@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au (David 'Igor' Latter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: GOOD JIG DESIGN for waxing and wiring frames Date: 11 Dec 1996 16:39:39 +1100 Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 144 Distribution: world Message-ID: <58lher$gtt$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> References: <01bbe5bb$b15fa0e0$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.cs.rmit.edu.au NNTP-Posting-User: dnl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) "L. D. Blowers" writes: >Hi, I am David from Auckland. I am looking for an improved Jig design for >waxing and wiring my frames. >Here are some guidlines: >1) It must be of a strong design, that could even be made out of metal. >2) Esay to transport, preferrably able to be packed away. >3) Able to do both waxing and wiring. >4) One of my main problems is holding down the topbar as you are pulling >up the wire, Topbar has to be clamped or supported. >I am looking for a design/plan that I can use this season. >Any ideas or direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. ======================================= Something happened to my post and it seems to have gone... Oh well, try again... This is the setup that I use for my frames, it is a bit hard with Ascii art to do a good diagram, but I hope it can be understood. I hope this helps a few people.... it took long enough to type! There are lots of different versions of this around, but there should be enough detail to enable you to build one. If enough people want more details, I'll measure mine and repost this. Enjoy! David ======================================= Wire tension setup. ------------------LLLLLL-------------LLLLLL---------- | ========================= | | ++++ | | | | + + [-] | | | | + + | | | | ++++ ---0| frame |0--- | | wire | | | | spool | | | | | | | | |_____________________| | | HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | | | | | | | ----------------------------------------------------- The wire spool is mounted on a large bolt and washers to enable the wire spool to spin freely. The bit to the right [-] is something like a block of nylon, or whatever, I used nylon. It stops the wire spooling off the wire reel when you cut off the frame. (You get wire tangles without it) The wire is fed in the top hole of the frame and fed through the other holes and is terminated by wrapping the wire around a tack and driving it into the wood frame. The LLLLL bits on the top of the frame are bits of angle iron screwed onto the top side of the base with a flat side hanging over where the frame top board is shown. This holds it in position. The HHHHHHHHHHH at the bottom of the frame is just a bit of wood about the same height as the frame. These mounts must enable the top of the frame to slip under the angle iron at the top and to go neatly down beside the wood bar at the bottom. Ok, now you have the frame held into position with the wire terminated at the lower right side. The bits at the frame sides drawn as: ---0 enlarged will look like: ============================= | | \________/ / \ Side view Note machined grove around the centre |________| This is where the wire must be free to move from the second to the third hole. This only has to be done at the left side of the frame. ------ / \ |============================= \ 0 / ------ Top view. This is 180 degrees out for the left unit. note the offset hole. This slides over a small bolt (better if welded onto a thin plate if you use a wood base, or the bold moves in the wood. Screw the plate down well.) You then have a sort of cam. The one on the other side (right side) is the mirror image! (it does not have to have the grove cut in it) These cams are used to flex the end side of the frame in (dont over do it or you will bust the frame) You now pull the wire up firmly by hand, turn it around a tack half driven in above the top left hole, then hammer the tack in and flex the wire off. The wire snaps off under the tack head, which does not leave a sharp wire to jab your fingers! Then when you release the cams, the wire will be very firm. Notes: If you over tighten the wire, it will cut the frames, I use a bold ground down as a punch to make a 5mm 45 degree hollow at each hole at the side of the frame, this helps to stop the wire cutting too deep. You can use metal inserts or even a staple next to the hole postitioned where the wire runs over it. Also note, if the outside circle that presses into the wood is too smooth it will slip when you try to tie off the wire, releasing the wire tension. If this happens, use a grinder to rough it up a little. The cams are about 30 to 40 mm , but the size is not critical, just the cam action. I'll have to go home and properly measure mine if more details are needed. ------------------ To melt the wire into the foundation sheet, I have a thick (40mm) block of wood (must be flat) that is the right size for the frame to fit over it. A wax sheet is inserted into the cut at the top of the frame and held against the wire. The fame and wax sheet are slid over the wood block, with the wax down, under the wires!. Then using this: ====================================[T]== I I I I I The ===== is a wooden board a bit longer than the frames The [T] is a heavy push button switch The I are nails hammered into the board at the same height. Wires are soldered to the end two nails, one going via the switch and both going to a 6 volt transformer that is able to put out at least 3 or 4 amps. This tool is gently pressed on the wire, the switch pressed, the wire heats and slowly melts the wax, you release the switch as soon as the wire moves into the wax. You may hit the switch again to sink it in further... Note, this will only take a few seconds! Dont over do it or you will melt the wax in half. Hold the bar steady untill the wax sets a bit, which will only be a few seconds if you didnt overheat it. Dont use anything over 6 volts....it's too quick! From jwg6@cornell.edu Fri Dec 13 12:17:45 EST 1996 Article: 6312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1524.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bored bees. Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:32:58 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 19 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <32AC5829.33EF@ultranet.com> <32ade215.125849@nntp.atlanta.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1524.cit.cornell.edu In article <32ade215.125849@nntp.atlanta.com>, purcell@atlanta.com (Michael Purcell) wrote: > Marc Andelman wrote: > > >Hi. What can one do to help your bees fight > >winter boredom. I think that is the real reason > >they die off in the winter. How about > >piping in cable TV to them? > > > >Regards, > >Marc Andelman So all those dead bees in the snow, the kamikazes, they just got so bored they couldn't take it anymore? I feel bad now, and I'll have to find some interesting diversion to occupy their time. Maybe some funny wasp and ant movies. The cable TV is good idea - they can watch the gardening shows, too. Some music with subliminal work messages wouldn't be a bad idea, either. From wzuber@uia.net Fri Dec 13 12:17:46 EST 1996 Article: 6313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!imci5!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!news2.digex.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!157.22.1.2!news.zocalo.net!NewsWatcher!user From: wzuber@uia.net (Wes Zuber) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Keeper Wanted Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 11:28:25 -0800 Organization: ULTIMATE Internet Access, Inc Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.22.213.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looking for Experienced Bee Keeper for migratory work in South Dakota and Southern Calif. Send responses to wzuber@uia.net. From jwg6@cornell.edu Fri Dec 13 12:17:47 EST 1996 Article: 6314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news1.netusa.net!cancer.vividnet.com!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1524.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarming after a thunderstorm? Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:23:18 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 91 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <32ac7b03.0@news.flexnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1524.cit.cornell.edu In article <32ac7b03.0@news.flexnet.net>, jim@jennysfarm.dungeon.com wrote: > Hi > > My girlfriend is helping produce a play in Sydney called the Herbal > Bed. It is set in Stratford, England where it has been very hot and > dry for 8 days. Two of the lines are:- > > "the bees didn't swarm then?" > > "no, we need a good thunderstorm to get them stirring" > > She would like to know > i) why they want the bees to swarm? > ii) would they not swarm in hot/dry weather? > iii) why would a thunderstorm make them swarm? > > Thank you for any help > > Jim Stevens Hi Jim, i) Swarming is the natural division of a colony, when a large portion of the population (tens of thousands of bees) just flies out and away, with a queen, to found a new colony elswhere. The swarm usually clusters together for a while in a big bunch, on a tree limb or something, and at that stage a beekeeper can shake or brush them into a new hive, which they will eagerly enter, to set up housekeeping. Otherwise, they will find some hollow tree or other cavity to use, and will move into that. i) "In olden times," people wanted the bees to swarm, so they could catch the swarm and hive it, increasing their number of hives. That was the only way they knew how to start new or additional colonies. They wanted as many colonies as they could get, as honey was their precious sweetener. ii) Swarming usually takes place in mid-late spring. For a number of days prior to the swarm's issue, the bees' activities slow way down and they start "hanging around" the hive. They aren't so busy, almost like they're on strike. Sometimes you can see hives almost completely covered with bees on the outside, as they await the proper time to "take off." Very hot or dry weather (or both) would tend to postpone the issue of the swarm, as after several dry hot days, the flowers' nectaries would largely be dry. They wouldn't be producing much nectar, and so the food supply coming into the colony would be low. This is like taking the fuel away >from a fire -- it starts burning down slowly. It is also more difficult for insects to survive in very hot, dry weather, as their bodies can dry out quickly (high surface/volume ratio.) With the sudden arrival of a thunderstorm, the atmostphere changes quickly and moisture is everywhere. This abrupt change is often an impetus for immediate swarming. As an example, I remember late one June afternoon after a sudden strong thunderstorm, I happened to be driving by one of my bee locations, and decided to take a quick look at their activity. It was late in the day, perhaps 4:30. My pants legs became soaked as I trudged through the tall grass, wet with rain. The storm had moved away and the sun was blazing brightly. As I approached the clearing, I could hear a great rushing sound. At once I was greeted by the sight of a large airborne swarm gleaming in the sunlight, settling down to one of my empty hives. They converged on it for a number of minutes, and gradually entered, "claiming" their new home. It was a remarkable sight. I was amazed that they had migrated to the empty hive (from who-knows-where) so late in the day, and especially after such a thunderstorm! (It was much later in the day than the time when swarms usually migrate, between 10 am and about 2 pm.) iii) Bees are affected by barometric pressure. High humidity and heat can drive much of the population to the outside of the hive, as mentioned above. They need to allow space for air to enter and pass thru the hive, to keep it from overheating. With the advent of a thunderstorm you have a sudden, major change in the pressure, temperature, and humidity. This serves to push the bees over the edge, and the swarm comes forth. Exactly why, I am not certain. I mean, I don't know if it is the humidity, pressure, or rain, or some combination, but there is a definite correlation, and after all, yes, thunderstorms do often "trigger" swarming. They are not a prerequisite, tho'. Maybe someone else can supply some more details. All I know is that in early June, if there is a good week or two of increasingly hot, humid weather, followed by a cold front brought on with a line of thunderstorms, that is the most likely time for swarms to issue. No doubt about that. I hope this information is helpful. BTW I am in central New York State. Our late spring/early summer weather patterns are usually like I just described. High pressure systems move across the USA and eventually things start heating up. It can get downright muggy and hot for days at a time. Then suddenly a cold air mass or low pressure system will drop out of Canada, setting up frontal zones and huge lines of thunderstorms. It is one of the interesting aspects of living here in the Northeast. Best wishes, JG From mikeb@iamerica.net Fri Dec 13 12:17:49 EST 1996 Article: 6315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!205.173.251.8!news1.iamerica.net!news From: mikeb@iamerica.net (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Future Trends Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 22:05:08 GMT Organization: LDS I-America Lines: 28 Message-ID: <58nbs3$kms@news1.iamerica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.173.249.199 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 This may or may not have anything to do with this newsgroup! I have a thesis paper to write on the future global and US trends of one of the following: Government Education Business Agriculture Communications The Job Market Medical Resources I have many ideas myself and I'm interested in the ideas of other people as well! If interested in helping me by submitting an idea on a future trend feel free! All ideas are welcome! Email me: mikeb@iamerica.net Thanks in advance, Mike From cdg1@concentric.net Fri Dec 13 12:17:52 EST 1996 Article: 6316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!cdc2.cdc.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: cdg1@concentric.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted: Heat shield for my old A.I. Root Smoker Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:23:34 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <58p4fo$a8j@herald.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc057037.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I use an old A.I. ROOT Co smoker, given to me by my bee mentor. This is a 3 1/2" & 7" smoker (modern smokers have 4" barrels) and I do not have the heat shield., I have burned myself a couple of times on the barrel and would like to prevent that in the future.. I contacted the A.I Root Co and they said this unit has been out of production for about 20 years, and they have no heat shields.. Does anyone have an old (A.I. Root) smoker that has a heat shield they would be willing to part with ? The unit is certainly not worth much in dollars, but it has sentimental value to me and I would prefer to keep it and keep using it. Thanks Charles cdg1@concentric.net From carol_philpott@eid.awinc.com Fri Dec 13 12:17:54 EST 1996 Article: 6317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.edu.tw!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!newspump.sol.net!mindspring!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!cdc2.cdc.net!news.texas.net!ais.net!noc.van.hookup.net!not-for-mail From: Carol Philpott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Have 2 Extractors for Sale Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:02:50 -0700 Organization: Eastern Irrigation District Lines: 37 Message-ID: <32B03AB9.635F@eid.awinc.com> Reply-To: carol_philpott@eid.awinc.com NNTP-Posting-Host: network05.eid.awinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) My Father-in-law asked me to post these ads for him. 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Box 555, Brooks, Alberta, Canada, T1R 1B5 Phone/Fax (403) 378-4281 __...__...__...__...__...__ Carol Philpott carol_philpott@eid.awinc.com From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Dec 13 12:17:54 EST 1996 Article: 6318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: dvisrael Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bored bees. Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:31:56 -0600 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <32B03C11.748@earthlink.net> References: <32AC5829.33EF@ultranet.com> <32ade215.125849@nntp.atlanta.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust104.max5.raleigh.nc.ms.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) To: Michael Purcell Michael Purcell wrote: > > Marc Andelman wrote: > > >Hi. What can one do to help your bees fight > >winter boredom. I think that is the real reason > >they die off in the winter. How about > >piping in cable TV to them? > > > >Regards, > >Marc Andelman > > You should give the real young bees mittens and boots and a good snow > suit. Give them a few sleds and let them go out and play in the snow > like all young folks do. The older bees should have computers, so they > can spend the long winter days of confinement learning a programming > language. That should keep them from being bored, and I bet you won't > lose a hive! > -- > Michael Purcell > purcell@atlanta.com Maybe they die because their blood sugar goes way up during periods of inactivity.