Article 9862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-dc-26.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.80.84.4!mv!riker From: aw-admin@auctionweb.com (Auctions On the Web) Subject: AUCTIONS: Farm Equipment, as listed on NETIS Auctions On the Web X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 Organization: NETIS Auctions On the Web, http://www.auctionweb.com Message-ID: X-Nntp-Posting-Host: riker.netis.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:04:45 GMT Lines: 87 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:21560 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9862 sci.agriculture.fruit:1183 sci.agriculture.poultry:3515 sci.agriculture.ratites:951 NETIS Auctions On the Web (http://www.auctionweb.com) is the Internet's largest and most active listing and advertising service for "conventional" auction companies (the kind where you attend the auction and call out your bid to the auctioneer, as opposed to the kind where you place your bids online). 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(716)-777-SURF Lines: 1 Message-ID: <34329566.21190431@news.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-2-34.hgl.ny.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9863 This is a test of my computer to see if it is working o-k. Article 9864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:05:00 GMT Message-ID: <9710011757202656@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9864 FYI* Have bees in Australia will ship any place in the world? ---------------------------------------- From: "M. Alkhlawi" Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:05:08 +1000 Subject: bees Dear Andy Nachbaur Our company name is Al Khlawi Trading Company. We are located in Melbourne, Australia. We export live bees and queen bees, to any country in the world. If you or anyone you know are interested in these products please contact us for further information. We would be pleased to send you the details and prices of our products. We have a fast, efficient delivery service and can supply goods throughout the year. Our prices are quoted on a CIF basis. We look forward to hearing from you soon. Best regards, M. Alkhlawi --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ I Love HONEY! I Love HONEY! I Love HONEY! I Love U HONEY! Article 9865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Colorado Bee Conditions Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:23:00 GMT Message-ID: <9710011825122659@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <5h19g9$scm@usenet11.interramp.com> Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9865 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:34:22 -0700 Subject: Colorado http://www.ams.usda.gov/archive/day1/dx%5Ffv193.txt Denver Federal State October 1, 1997 YAKIMA-WASHINGTON WASHINGTON-D.C. COLORADO HONEY REPORT Beekeepers around the state are reporting their colonies as being in fairly good condition at this time as the weather during the month of September was very favorable for most of the month to allow the colonies to work the alfalfa and wild flowers that bloomed late. Beekeepers are currently preparing their colonies in the holding yards and will start to send them out of state during the winter months. The month of September produced some heavy rains during the first few days of the month, but overall it was a very pleasant month. Temperatures in the Denver area averaged between 75-85 degrees for the highs and very pleasant 45-50 degrees for the night time lows. Guttierrez --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Yet, like the bee returning to her queen, Article 9866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!204.215.84.101!news.fred.net!newsmaster From: Sorin Damian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apitherapy Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:05:53 -0700 Organization: Triton Lines: 17 Message-ID: <34332BB1.C7A56E26@fred.net> References: <328A312D.4BA9@snds.com> <56a63c$m2@s02-brighton.pavilion.co.uk> <9709210958042620@beenet.com> <34281A71.66A8@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: sorin@fred.net NNTP-Posting-Host: sorin.fred.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.fred.net 875757673 27479 205.252.223.113 (2 Oct 1997 02:01:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@fred.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) To: John Germany Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9866 There is a full-sized Research Institute in Bucharest, Romania. They have a very strong Apitherapy Dept. with technicians, doctors and of course patients...they also have own apiaries to get all the needed bee hive products. Also a full line of apicultural products. No wonder. The world apiculture printhouse is also there. I've been there and was impressed by the large scale approach of apiculture-apitherapy. John Germany wrote: > does anyone have any information on apitherapy? I have been to the > apitherapy society web site, which is excellent. I am looking for hive > management techniques as well as any practical info on the practice of > apitherapy. many thanks! Article 9867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "J Bergma" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Problem with bees in my house Date: 2 Oct 1997 05:34:06 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01bccef4$c8b553c0$80cc74cf@bbb> Reply-To: "J Bergma" NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.116.204.128 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9867 Hi and thanks for reading, There is a beehive between my chimney and house (and in the wall I think)and the bees are getting into the room directly behind the chimney, I think they are coming through the window casing (the ones that have the pulleys, ropes and counter balances). I really don't want to do something stupid and piss them off and drive more of them into the house. I thought about getting a shopvac type of vacuum and mounting the hose near the entry point of the hive and suck them in when they come out during the day. They are very active in the daytime. What do you think? Here are some facts: They are not wasps. It's starting to get cold out at night(around 40 F.) and its in the 50's-60's in the day. They did not bother us during the summer.(because it wasn't cold out) The chimney is not used for anything. Totally inactive. We can not tear down the chimney.(we rent) Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank You, Jody Bergman -- bergmax79@worldnet.att.net Anti-Spam address"Remove X before using" Article 9868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees in front of hive Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 08:05:48 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <17BFB71DFS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <01bccc82$b420e240$92d0afce@clarkson> <01bcce05$df849e20$689bfacd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!128.226.1.24!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9868 In article <01bcce05$df849e20$689bfacd@default> "J&D BEES" writes: > >Could be the time that all the Drones are kicked out of the hive > >George Clarkson wrote in article ><01bccc82$b420e240$92d0afce@clarkson>... >> Today I saw a pile dead bees about an inch deep and a foot in diameter in >> front of a hive... >> >> Could this be a mite infestation? Any other ideas? Thanks for any help. >> -- >> George Clarkson >> Lakewood, CO >> e-mail: ghclark@sprynet.com >> I doubt highly the drone suggestion. The condition you describe in nigh impossible to diagnose over the net. Could be pesticide, could be mites, could be post robbing carnage, could be lots of things. Best suggestion here is to find a local experienced beekeeper or inspector to have a look. I believe this original post was made this past weekend. The longer it takes to have someone look, the harder it will be to make an accurate diagnosis. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 9869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!gsl-penn-ns.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.belnet.be!news.fundp.ac.be!mac-biochimie1.biocell.fundp.ac.be!user From: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be (Benoit MARTIN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apitherapy Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:22:11 +0100 Organization: F.U.N.D.P - Cellular Biochemistry Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <328A312D.4BA9@snds.com> <56a63c$m2@s02-brighton.pavilion.co.uk> <9709210958042620@beenet.com> <34281A71.66A8@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mac-biochimie1.biocell.fundp.ac.be Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9869 In article (Dans l'article) <34281A71.66A8@ix.netcom.com>, John Germany wrote (écrivait) : > does anyone have any information on apitherapy? I have been to the > apitherapy society web site, which is excellent. Which is the address of this site ? Thanks -- Benoit MARTIN Laboratory of Cellular Biochemistry, Facultes Universitaires ND de la Paix, 61, rue de Bruxelles, B-5000 Namur (Belgium). Fax: ++/32/81/72.41.35. Email: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be Article 9870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees in front of hive Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 06:57:08 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <875689028snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> References: <01bccc82$b420e240$92d0afce@clarkson> Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 875689097 3526 joe benburb.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9870 In article <01bccc82$b420e240$92d0afce@clarkson> ghclark@sprynet.com "George Clarkson" writes: > Today I saw a pile dead bees about an inch deep and a foot in diameter in > front of a hive. I opened the hive to inspect but did not see anything Could also be the result of robbing. -- joe mc cool remove ns from signature The more you say the less the better. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joens@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 9871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wvapiaries@aol.com (WVApiaries) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Research abstracts Date: 2 Oct 1997 20:21:52 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19971002202101.QAA21564@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <3423D43B.5A4B@ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9871 Thom, you may like to look at the I.B.R.A.(international bee research association) home page, don't have their address handy sorry. Here in Europe we've had mite problems for quite a while, of particular interest varroa that has begun to show signs of resistance to treatment. A UK address of note would be Rothamstead, a lot of mite research being done at the moment. USA, any info from Keith Delaplane, Associate Prof Entomology, University of Georgia would be worth looking at, he gave a talk in UK that was run twice to cope with demand. hope this is of use. Article 9872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!venus.sun.com!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!eastnews1.East.Sun.COM!walters.East.Sun.COM!usenet From: Brian Boerner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NH Beekeeping Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 15:49:37 -0400 Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Chelmsford, MA. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3433FAD1.83523884@spam.sunspot.tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sst4849.east.sun.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9872 Does anyone have any contacts for the NH Beekeeping Association. I was speaking with someone in Merrimack NH, but I lost his phone number. I have also, unfortunately, forgotten his name as well. I am interested in going out and finding out about beekeeping and perhaps helping someone prepare for the winter. I would also like to start up in the spring. Please send me some email, at the address: bboerner@spam.sunspot.tiac.net and just remove the work spam. Dont want all those harvest bots to put me on thier junk lists :) Anyways, if someone could please help me out, I would greatly appreciate it. Regards, Brian Article 9873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.62.3!news.cyberhighway.net!not-for-mail From: "Joseph" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apitherapy Date: 2 Oct 1997 21:40:57 GMT Organization: CyberHighway Internet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bccf7c$3d11c3c0$72e91ace@default> References: <328A312D.4BA9@snds.com> <56a63c$m2@s02-brighton.pavilion.co.uk> <9709210958042620@beenet.com> <34281A71.66A8@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.26.233.114 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9873 The American Apitherapy Society website: http://www.beesting.com/mainpage.html Article 9874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.62.3!news.cyberhighway.net!not-for-mail From: "Joseph" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Research abstracts Date: 2 Oct 1997 21:43:57 GMT Organization: CyberHighway Internet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bccf7c$a8e7f740$72e91ace@default> References: <3423D43B.5A4B@ix.netcom.com> <19971002202101.QAA21564@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.26.233.114 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9874 The International Bee Research Association homepage: http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/ibra/index.html WVApiaries wrote in article <19971002202101.QAA21564@ladder01.news.aol.com>... | Thom, you may like to look at the I.B.R.A.(international bee research | association) home page, don't have their address handy sorry. Article 9875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.102!iagnet.net!128.83.139.5!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!not-for-mail From: eaguilr <"eaguilar"@polisci.tamu.edu\\> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WEB WORMS(?) OH NO! Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 16:37:57 -0500 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6114c2$m98$1@news.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc129.tamu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 1997 21:40:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9875 Folks, Well, it's all over but the cleanup over here. Had a first year hive going.. doing well.. checking em every 7 dayts or so SUDDENLY, in the course of about a week, the hive was devastated by these worms ( WEB WORMS i think they are called). the bees were killed or just left, cant tell exactly. What could I have done to prevent this? Thanks for any help, edwin Article 9876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!195.99.66.215!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!news-peer.bt.net!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!cornwall.demon.co.uk!user From: desedmon@cornwall.demon.co.uk (Des Edmonds) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cooling Hives 'clockwise' in the Northern Hemisphere? Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 23:13:19 +0100 Organization: Private Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cornwall.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: cornwall.demon.co.uk [158.152.143.132] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9876 Bees fan air in to the hive on the left side and fan air out on the right in the UK, like water swirling down the plug, do they reverse the process anti-clockwise in the Southern Hemisphere? Thanks Des Article 9877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Florida Bee Conditions Sept 97 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:05:00 GMT Message-ID: <9710021909102670@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <333956AA.7474@iet.hist.no> <5ha4eo$es@news.paonline.com> Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9877 FLORIDA HONEY REPORT FOR SEPTEMBER 1997 The month of September was dry in the north and central areas with the southern part of the State adequate to flooding, with some hives in southwest Florida being underwater. Temperatures were about normal for the month. Most bees have now been returned to the State, with only a few still out of State due to better flow than in Florida at this time. The bees are primarily feeding on the Brazilian pepper. The Brazilian pepper crop appears to be in good condition. Quite a number of bees have been lost due to the varroa mites. It appears the mites have become resistant to the treatment beekeepers have been using. Bees that are not affected by the mite are in good condition. Demand for Florida honey is fairly good at steady prices. bac --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... And where the bee with cowslip bells was wrestling. Article 9878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hugo.veerkamp@amigabee.org.uk (Hugo Veerkamp) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!laura.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!hugo.veerkamp Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: electronic beekeeping dictionary Message-ID: <875846067@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:58:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers MSGID: 240:31/0@beenet 8714d844 PID: FM 2.12.SW UNREG Lines: 46 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9878 Introducing the Bee Pages electronic DICTIONARY OF BEEKEEPING TERMS In the early fifties, two international beekeeping organisations, IBRA ( U.K.), and APIMONDIA (Romania & Italy), decided to compile a dictionary of beekeeping terms in different languages, as an aid for translating beekeeping litterature while facilitating international contacts in the beekeeping community by removing language barriers. This dictionary was published in printed form, as computers were not yet as widely available as they are now. A long list of volumes has since been published, starting in 1951. General editor of the series of volumes is dr. Eva Crane. While these books have served their purpose well over the years, in 1994 a new idea sprang up in the mind of yours truly: perhaps it is possible to put some 1000 beekeeping terms into a database and enormously facilitate looking up of a term and the associated translation(s). It was then decided to use computer telecommunication facilities to compile a totally new wordlist in all languages spoken in the various European countries. A list of about 1000 beekeeping terms in english was sent via modem to Germany, Finland and Sweden, while French and Dutch translators were found in Holland. All through 1995/96 everybody set to work to translate and type out their wordlist. The results were received by modem in Amsterdam, were the wordlists are being prepared for use in the dictionary. We are now slowly approaching completion of a first stage in the project; A free demonstration version of the program has been placed on our website at http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/beedic. Unforseen circumstances have delayed the project somewhat, but we hope to make good progress during the coming winter. -- Hugo Veerkamp THE BEE BBS AMSTERDAM THE BEE PAGES Email: mail : the Bee bbs Hug.Bee@net.hcc.nl P.O. BOX 51008 (send only SMALL files) 1007EA AMSTERDAM Apinet : 340:231/100 The Netherlands Beenet : 240:31/0 modem: +31 20 6764105 Fidonet: 2:2801/28 voice: +31 20 6715663 http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet --- FMail/386 1.22+ * Origin: zzz the BEE bbs Amsterdam Holland +31 20 6764105 zzz (240:31/0) Article 9879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wvapiaries@aol.com (WVApiaries) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NH Beekeeping Date: 3 Oct 1997 08:49:39 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19971003084901.EAA10469@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <3433FAD1.83523884@spam.sunspot.tiac.net> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9879 Hi Brian, Dr Siegried Thewke is (or was) the State Apiarist for NH and based at Dept Ag, Hazen drive, Concorde NH 3301. Ph (603) 271369 Fax (603) 2711109. He might be able to put you in touch with a local association or commercial beekeeper looking for another pair of hands on the weekend. His full address plus is in A:/aiadir.htm . Hope this is of some help. Gareth (English/Welsh border, UK) Article 9880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!oleane!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First Virual Beekeeping Gallery in the World Date: 3 Oct 1997 08:48:58 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 70 Message-ID: <01bccfd9$b3fbae80$6b8ffcc1@toshiba> NNTP-Posting-Host: bdx2-107.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9880 The graphics have been improved and lightened. The site works in "mirroring" on the following two addresses: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/apiservices http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/apiservices Depending on where you are in the world when you make the connection, there is always one site which is faster than the other, try it for yourself... (soon there will only be one address : www.apiservices.com) A stream of information and its only a start... Apiservices' bilingual (French and English) site has become "The First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery in the World". A growing number of businesses, magazines, manufacturers, laboratories and services are already present in the gallery: Abeille & Cie (journal) Apiata (journal) Apidologie (journal) Apimondia (International Federation) Apisélixirs (health products) Apiservices (services, development) Association Européenne d'Apithérapie (health) Beekeeping & Development (journal) Biové (veterinary products) C.A.R.I. (association) CNEVA (laboratory for bee disease and analysis of hive products) Communicate Now (specialized beekeeping translations French/English/French) E.D.A.P.I (European Documentation in Apiculture for Press and Information) Leclercq (producer of CD ROMs for beekeeping) O.P.I.D.A. (journal, technical bulletins, posters, videos) R.F.A (journal) Swarm (veterinary products) Thomas (beekeeping equipment) In German, there is already Imkerei Technik (journal) In Portugese O'Apicultor (journal) These will soon joined by wholesalers and bee enterprises selling by mail order. The site will also contain a calendar of coming international events. We would be grateful for your participation in keeping this calendar up to date. We are setting up descriptive files by country (one of the two addresses + /country.htm). For this, we also need your participation. A good example of the sort of information required can be seen in the files on Argentina (one of the two addresses + /argentin.htm) or Vietnam (one of the two addresses + /vietnam.htm). We are open to all constructive remarks, suggestions or projects. Thanks. (\ {III8< (/ Ratia Gilles International Beekeeping Consultant APISERVICES "Le Terrier" F-24420 Coulaures - France Phone : (+33) 5 53 05 91 13 Mobile : (+33) 6 07 68 49 39 Fax : (+33) 5 53 04 44 57 Email : apiservices@compuserve.com URL 1 : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/apiservices URL 2 : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/apiservices First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery in the World Article 9881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!oleane!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Premiere Galerie Virtuelle Apicole au Monde Date: 3 Oct 1997 08:49:49 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 71 Message-ID: <01bccfd9$d1f0bfc0$6b8ffcc1@toshiba> NNTP-Posting-Host: bdx2-107.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9881 Le graphisme s'est ameliore et allege. Le site travaille en "mirroring" sur deux adresses : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/apiservices http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/apiservices Suivant ou l'on se trouve dans le monde et aussi l'heure de connexion, il y a toujours un site plus rapide que l'autre, essayez ! (bientôt il y aura une seule adresse : www.apiservices.com) Un flot d'informations et cela n'est qu'un debut ! Le site d'Apiservices bilingue (français & anglais) est ainsi devenu la "Premiere Galerie Virtuelle Apicole au Monde". Un nombre croissant d'associations, de revues, de fabricants, de laboratoires, de prestataires de services s'y font deja heberger : Abeille & Cie (journal) Apiata (journal) Apidologie (journal) Apimondia (Federation Internationale) Apiselixirs (produits sante) Apiservices (services, developpement) Association Europeenne d'Apitherapie Beekeeping & Development (journal) Biove (produits veterinaires) C.A.R.I. (association) CNEVA (laboratoire pathologies abeilles et analyses produits de la ruche) Communicate Now (traductions specialisees dans l'apiculture français/anglais/français) E.D.A.P.I (association europeenne de presse apicole) Leclercq (producteur de CD ROM apicoles) O.P.I.D.A. (journal, fiches techniques, posters, videos) R.F.A (journal) Swarm (produits veterinaires) Thomas (equipement apicole) En allemand, il y a deja Imkerei Technik (journal) et en portuguais O'Apicultor (journal). Il y aura aussi bientôt des negociants et des exploitations apicoles vendant par correspondance. Le site maintiendra aussi un calendrier des prochaines manifestations internationales. Nous avons besoin de votre concours. Des fiches signaletiques par pays se mettent en place (une des deux adresses ci-dessus + /pays.htm). Ici aussi nous avons besoin de votre concours. Vous en avez une bonne illustrations avec les fiches d'argentine (une des deux adresses ci-dessus + /argentin.htm) ou du Viet-nam (une des deux adresses ci-dessus + /vietnam.htm,) par exemple. Toutes remarques constructives, suggestions ou projets seront les bienvenues. Merci. (\ {(((O8< (/ Ratia Gilles Consultant Apicole International APISERVICES Groupe de Recherche et d'Assistance dans la Cooperation Apicole "Le Terrier" 24420 Coulaures - France Telephone : 05 53 05 91 13 (ou +33 5 53 05 91 13 depuis l'etranger) Mobile : 06.07.68.49.39 (ou +33 6 07 68 49 39 depuis l'etranger) Telecopie : 05 53 04 44 57 (ou +33 5 53 05 44 57 depuis l'etranger) Email : apiservices@compuserve.com URL 1 : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/apiservices URL 2 : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/apiservices Premiere Galerie Virtuelle Apicole au Monde Article 9882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!EU.net!sun4nl!193.78.240.11.MISMATCH!sun4nl!sci.kun.nl!not-for-mail From: John Doe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sorts of bees Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 13:23:38 +0200 Organization: Katholieke Universiteit Nijmegen Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3434D5BA.3B6C81FF@usa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.174.242.36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9882 How many sorts of bees are there? please email: jfaaerts@hotmail.com Article 9883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <343578E9.487D2AEF@ione.net> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:59:54 -0400 From: Terry Chesnut X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: free for all Teachers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------286DE2BD716B1FCC54EAD050" NNTP-Posting-Host: 03.ione.net Lines: 38 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.184.221.41!news.cinetwork.com!03.ione.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9883 --------------286DE2BD716B1FCC54EAD050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This site contains share ware, tips, real time chat no updating or scrolling, a board to post resumes, a jobs board for schools to post openings, historical documents, and a huge collection of links sorted by subject. 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Sorry about the typo in the previous message. --------------286DE2BD716B1FCC54EAD050-- Article 9884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp1.crl.com!nnrp2.crl.com!not-for-mail From: Bryan Ness Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Birds, Bees and Pollen Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 17:49:51 -0700 Organization: The Mining Company Lines: 15 Message-ID: <343592AF.9CD95D@miningco.com> Reply-To: botany.guide@miningco.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-242.puc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:692 alt.agriculture.misc:8821 alt.agriculture.fruit:6717 sci.agriculture:21576 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9884 sci.agriculture.fruit:1192 Read a new article at The Botany Site, "Birds, Bees and Pollen," which tells all about how plants get birds, bees and other insects to distribute their pollen for them. Links to books and other sites on pollination can also be found at the end of the article. Get there by going to the following URL: http://botany.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa100197.htm Check out the rest of The Botany Site to find other good articles and links to other botany resources. The site has just recently undergone a minor face lift. -- ______________________________________________________________ Bryan Ness, Botany Guide http://botany.miningco.com/ botany.guide@miningco.com Article 9885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.235.93!news.telstra.net!loomi.telstra.net!brian.telstra.net!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: frank Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Queen. Date: 4 Oct 1997 04:06:28 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 4 Message-ID: <614fc4$pqn$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p45-max5.auck.ihug.co.nz Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9885 Hi y'all, I am a one-season beekeeper in NZ, with 5 hives. Spring is just beginning here, and I took the opportunity to inspect my hives yesterday. Two of my hives I overwintered, the other 3 are early swarms I hived Article 9886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.west.agis.net!agis!198.207.169.10.MISMATCH!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BK-Economics 1.2 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 04:32:00 GMT Message-ID: <9710032133562672@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <5hms7h$dq9@nntp.pe.net> Lines: 39 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9886 http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/soft/bke/index.html New Release: BK-Economics 1.2 For Windows and Macintosh About the Software (ARS REVIEW) BK-Economics is a software package that was developed by a team of scientists at the Carl Hayden Bee Research Center in Tucson, Arizona to assist commercial beekeepers in streamlining their business practices. This software allows bee keepers to simulate years of business, taking into account factors like equipme nt purchases, labor force, transportation, marketing strategies, loans, honey flow, and other hive products without taking the usual risks. This software, when used in combination with the marketing strategy information in publication, can help beekeepers formulate a successful business plan when making financial decisions, expanding an operation or just starting out. To obtain a copy of this software, please LOG ON and read the sections pertaining to the type of computer and operating systems software that you have. Log on to the site above and Click on the appropriate "Mail Me" button for ordering instructions. *The GOOD NEWS Your tax money has been at work and you are not expected to pay double for this program.* Andy- This software is a product of USDA research and is offered AT NO COST to anyone. 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Log on and order your copy via e-mail or use the snail mail address given at the site. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://194.112.46.22/public/default.htm (Amigabee BBS) Article 9887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Premiere Galerie Virtuelle Apicole au Monde Date: 4 Oct 1997 11:19:52 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6158oo$g05$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <01bccfd9$d1f0bfc0$6b8ffcc1@toshiba> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9887 In article <01bccfd9$d1f0bfc0$6b8ffcc1@toshiba>, RATIA Gilles wrote: >Toutes remarques constructives, suggestions ou projets seront les >bienvenues. Merci. >Ratia Gilles >Consultant Apicole International Welcome to Usenet: the langua franca here is English. Is there any way for you to translate? Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 9888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.pn.com!main.Germany.EU.net!main.de.uu.net!news-reader.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net!news-reader.dortmund.de.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "M@rkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help, a woodpecker on the beeshives Date: 4 Oct 1997 14:14:30 GMT Organization: Customer of UUNET Germany; Info: info@de.uu.net Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01bcd0d5$5f312900$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.155.171.146 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1160 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9888 Hi beekeeper I have a trouble: What can to become one make to a woodpecker from the Beeshives aweigh? I do hope their can me help, I have on this whitely last year five Beeshives lost. many thanks for your news Article 9889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: Michael Constant Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Want to start hive Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 14:08:23 -0500 Organization: IQuest Internet, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <34369427.7060@iquest.net> Reply-To: mconstan@iquest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: and-002-1.iquest.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9889 Are there any grants to start bee hives. I also want some names of bee suppliers. I was also wondering if it was to late to start a hive in Indiana. Article 9890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Florida Bee Conditions Sept 97 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 11:34:59 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <34368C53.16CA@worldnet.att.net> References: <333956AA.7474@iet.hist.no> <5ha4eo$es@news.paonline.com> <9710021909102670@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 8920@205.216.79.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Andy Nachbaur Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9890 Andy Nachbaur wrote: > FLORIDA HONEY REPORT FOR SEPTEMBER 1997 > Quite a number of bees have been lost due to the varroa mites. It > appears the mites have become resistant to the treatment beekeepers > have been using. Bees that are not affected by the mite are in good > condition. andy, what's the source of this report?...could this be the first case of confirmable varroa mite (chemical) resistance in north america, and resistance to which treatments? I have seen unofficial annecdotal reports of such resistance to apistan/fluvalinate from florida,u.s.a. and b.c.,canada on this, the 10th year of permittable use (at least in florida)...but am not aware of any bees not affected by the mite, just variable efficacies of different treatments. any further info would bee appreciated, as well as other reports of recent experiences with varroa and treatment results, or lack thereof. thanks in advance, tomas in fla. Article 9891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!news.voicenet.com!newshost.cyberramp.net!not-for-mail From: D Duperault Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: do you want my bees? Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 17:37:41 -0700 Organization: posted via: CyberRamp.net, Dallas, TX (214) 343-3333/(817) 461-8484 for info Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3436E155.4AF7@spamfree.not> Reply-To: dduperault@spamfree.not NNTP-Posting-Host: angel.redsword.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02Gold (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9891 Hi, I'm in the north Dallas area and have just figured out we have bees living in our attic. I'd rather not have them sprayed if somebody local knows how to coax them out of the siding. They seem to have a fairly active nest up there, and have probably been in residence since this spring. Dawn -- Batgirl was a Librarian, too! http://www.he.net/~dduperal/ anti-spam reply: dduperault (at) aol.com Article 9892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Florida Bee Conditions Sept 97 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 01:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <9710041902012673@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 92 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9892 TM>From: tomas mozer >Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 11:34:59 -0700 >Subject: Re: Florida Bee Conditions Sept 97 TM>Andy Nachbaur wrote: >> FLORIDA HONEY REPORT FOR SEPTEMBER 1997 >> Quite a number of bees have been lost due to the varroa mites. It >> appears the mites have become resistant to the treatment beekeepers >> have been using. Bees that are not affected by the mite are in good >> condition. TM>andy, what's the source of this report?.. Not sure but would guess someone in the Fl. Dept. of Agriculture, like a state bee inspector. I get it from the United States Department of Agriculture, Agricultural Marketing Service. >could this be the first case of confirmable varroa mite (chemical) >resistance in north america, and resistance to which treatments? > I have seen unofficial annecdotal reports of such resistance to >apistan/fluvalinate from florida,u.s.a. and b.c.,canada on this, the 10th >year of permittable use (at least in florida)...but am not aware of any >bees not affected by the mite, just variable efficacies of different >treatments. > any further info would bee appreciated, as well as other reports of >recent experiences with varroa and treatment results, or lack thereof. >thanks in advance, tomas in fla. Hi Tomas, First there are more reports of beekeepers and researchers not finding any Varroa in untreated hives that had Varroa last season then reports of strip failure. Most would not know one way or the other without some extra testing for Varroa. The USDA bee people from the TEXAS Bee Lab have been working in Florida and should have by now finished some testing of different chemicals and strips on Varroa. I can not tell you what they found out until they publish the report, (if they ever do that), but for sure there may be little concern about chemical resistance but a whole lot of concern about product efficiency if what they find is consistent with what others have reported for many years. This is not the first time testing and concern over the only approved product for Varroa control in the USA has been voiced. After testing a few years ago in Washington state that demonstrated problems with the dosage in the approved product it was then clear that a problem existed. It is clear what beekeepers are buying now is not the product approved and pushed originally by our government bee regulatory and so called bee scientists for Varroa control. Also I believe the quality of the product may have been and may be less then acceptable by any farm chemical standards now in use and more then likely a violation of the laws pertaining to registration of farm chemicals which do include some expectations of efficiency as originally claimed by registrants. You see once a product is registered no one in the chemical regulatory industry bothers to check to see if what is sold to the end user is what was registered. All after registration regulatory effort is put in making sure the end user jumps through all regulatory bureaucratic hoops which generate nothing but paper of no useful worldly value to any living person until it can be recycled years from now. The facts are that any testing for resistance is less then useless without testing to determine what is being tested is indeed the same in all tests and every indication has been for several years that it is not. This allows for the mixed antidotal reports from end users and other reports of resistance could be based on a faulty chemical product. I can not say much more then what I have said before, watch out buying a pig in the poke from any chemical company as their advertising budget quickly soon is greater then their product production budget and it buys them respect with those in the bee regulatory-science industry and bee supply industry that are relied on by beekeepers for good information, honest or not, and the normal is that they have nothing to lose but sales if it all blows up unless enough evidence can be gathered to prove wrong doing which they know for all practicality they are immune from because of the size and nature of the fractured bee industry. With only one product approved for use we are being held hostage to one chemical and it is sad that after having our pockets picked we may be getting a defective one. IMHO ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... It had need to bee Article 9893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Florida Bee Conditions Sept 97 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 01:53:00 GMT Message-ID: <9710041902012674@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 87 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9893 TM>From: tomas mozer >Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 11:34:59 -0700 >Subject: Re: Florida Bee Conditions Sept 97 TM>Andy Nachbaur wrote: >> FLORIDA HONEY REPORT FOR SEPTEMBER 1997 >> Quite a number of bees have been lost due to the varroa mites. It >> appears the mites have become resistant to the treatment beekeepers >> have been using. Bees that are not affected by the mite are in good >> condition. TM>andy, what's the source of this report?.. Not sure but would guess someone in the Fl. Dept. of Agriculture, like a state bee inspector. I get it from the United States Department of Agriculture, Agricultural Marketing Service. >could this be the first case of confirmable varroa mite (chemical) >resistance in north america, and resistance to which treatments? > I have seen unofficial annecdotal reports of such resistance to >apistan/fluvalinate from florida,u.s.a. and b.c.,canada on this, the 10th >year of permittable use (at least in florida)...but am not aware of any >bees not affected by the mite, just variable efficacies of different >treatments. > any further info would bee appreciated, as well as other reports of >recent experiences with varroa and treatment results, or lack thereof. >thanks in advance, tomas in fla. Hi Tomas, First there are more reports of beekeepers and researchers not finding any Varroa in untreated hives that had Varroa last season then reports of strip failure. Most would not know one way or the other without some extra testing for Varroa. The USDA bee people from the TEXAS Bee Lab have been working in Florida and should have by now finished some testing of different chemicals and strips on Varroa. I can not tell you what they found out until they publish the report, (if they ever do that), but for sure there may be little concern about chemical resistance but a whole lot of concern about product efficiency if what they find is consistent with what others have reported for many years. This is not the first time testing and concern over the only approved product for Varroa control in the USA has been voiced. After testing a few years ago in Washington state that demonstrated problems with the dosage in the approved product it was then clear that a problem existed. It is clear what beekeepers are buying now is not the product approved and pushed originally by our government bee regulatory and so called bee scientists for Varroa control. Also I believe the quality of the product may have been and may be less then acceptable by any farm chemical standards now in use and more then likely a violation of the laws pertaining to registration of farm chemicals which do include some expectations of efficiency as originally claimed by registrants. You see once a product is registered no one in the chemical regulatory industry bothers to check to see if what is sold to the end user is what was registered. All after registration regulatory effort is put in making sure the end user jumps through all regulatory bureaucratic hoops which generate nothing but paper of no useful worldly value to any living person until it can be recycled years from now. The facts are that any testing for resistance is less then useless without testing to determine what is being tested is indeed the same in all tests and every indication has been for several years that it is not. This allows for the mixed antidotal reports from end users and other reports of resistance could be based on a faulty chemical product. I can not say much more then what I have said before, watch out buying a pig in the poke from any chemical company as their advertising budget quickly soon is greater then their product production budget and it buys them respect with those in the bee regulatory-science industry and bee supply industry that are relied on by beekeepers for good information, honest or not, and the normal is that they have nothing to lose but sales if it all blows up unless enough evidence can be gathered to prove wrong doing which they know for all practicality they are immune from because of the size and nature of the fractured bee industry. With only one product approved for use we are being held hostage to one chemical and it is sad that after having our pockets picked we may be getting a defective one. IMHO ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there is honey, there are beekeepers" Article 9894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 03:01:24 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: <616vtt$rer$2@nntp.pe.net> References: <34302FCA.32CD@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp29.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9894 In article <34302FCA.32CD@erols.com>, rjlash@erols.com wrote: >Hi > My dad and I put together a brood chamber which is the one I have. >We made it out of exterior ply wood.Since we could not find any cypress >distributiters in the area. Is there any problems with ply wood has wood >for the supers? > Adam Lash Sure, Pal, exterior plywood is fine. I know a beekeeper who prides himself on making hives out of any available scrap wood. Top Bar Hive beekeepers will often even use stuff that is not wood at all for their bee hives. Article 9895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.235.93!news.telstra.net!loomi.telstra.net!brian.telstra.net!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: fbates@ihug.co.nz (bates) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queen problem Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 04:33:57 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 27 Message-ID: <617jkd$1l2$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p41-max22.auck.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9895 Hi, I am an inexperienced (1 season) beekeeper in NZ, with 2 hives that have overwintered and 3 hives containing swarms that I have collected since early Sept. We are in early spring here, and I took the opportunity a couple of days ago to inspect the hives. All looked well, one of the swarms had lots of brood, the other 2 swarms are drawing combs nicely, the 2 overwintered hives still had some stores, and seem to be building up well. A couple of hours after I had finished I noticed a small group of bees on the ground between two of the hives, when I looked a little closer I discovered they were clustered on a queen, who appeared to be barely alive. Not knowing what to do, I put her on the landing board of the hive I thought she had most likely come out of, but the guards attacked her immediately and killed her. A few questions: What should I have done? Will it become obvious from the behaviour of the bees which hive is now queenless, or will I need to wait a couple of weeks & re-inspect the hives to ascertain this? I am fairly sure the queen came from one of two colonies which have plenty of brood in all stages, can I just let the colony raise their own queen to replace the dead one? By collecting swarms, will I end up with colonies that are more prone to swarming behaviour? Any help will be much appreciated. Cheers fbates@ihug.co.nz Article 9896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wvapiaries@aol.com (WVApiaries) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help, a woodpecker on the beeshives Date: 5 Oct 1997 10:49:18 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19971005104901.GAA28050@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bcd0d5$5f312900$LocalHost@default> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9896 Hi Try treating your hives in winter or when the bees aren't flying with creosote as this tastes pretty awful to the birds. I have heard of things having got that bad that beekeepers have made an outer box to go round the hive and treated that with old engine oil ( air the oiled boxes well before the honey flow though) Or just put chicken wire round the hives. Hope this has helped we loose a lot of hives to woodpeckers. Article 9897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!winter.news.erols.com!news From: Ed & Joy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 07:35:02 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34377B66.94A@erols.com> References: <34302FCA.32CD@erols.com> <616vtt$rer$2@nntp.pe.net> Reply-To: edbee@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: smt-as1s58.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received-On: 5 Oct 1997 11:38:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9897 Top Bar Hive beekeepers will > often even use stuff that is not wood at all for their bee hives. I,ve seen an article where hives were made out of concrete! Ed Article 9898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!scanner.worldgate.com!news.insinc.net!ocean.netrover.com!news From: hummer@netrover.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how do i get rid of bees? Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 18:59:08 GMT Organization: Netrover Lines: 1 Message-ID: <3437e343.404687@news.netrover.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ott1-93.netrover.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9898 I have a bees nest under my porch. how would i get rid of it? Article 9899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.pbi.net!news.pacbell.net!not-for-mail From: Michael Henry Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Diminishing Bee Populations: Myth of Fact? Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 10:47:15 -0700 Organization: Pacific Bell Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3437D2A3.2BD9B505@pacbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-206-170-3-64.okld03.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9899 Hi - The other evening while driving I found myself listening to a late night AM talk show host and he shoked me by telling us that the current world honeybee population was down by 85%. If it matters I believe he said honeybee - but I know he said bee. I had heard that we have lowered populations with increased pesticide use and ruining habaitats. But the figure of 85% was absolutely shocking. Do we really only have 15% of the bees we had 50 years ago? Does anyone know just what the figure is? I spent some time doing searches and the entomology sites I visited had no mention of this, which leads me to think that maybe his claim were the words of someone not so intimate with the truth. Can anyone please tell me what the approx number of bees is? And include urls to any sites that would verify. And if this is not the appropriate usegroup could someone please point me in the correct direction. Thanks in advance! /mh Article 9900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sorts of bees Date: 5 Oct 1997 18:44:08 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bcd1be$a2e77340$9b6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3434D5BA.3B6C81FF@usa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-27.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Oct 05 1:44:08 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9900 John Doe wrote in article <3434D5BA.3B6C81FF@usa.net>... | How many sorts of bees are there? | please email: jfaaerts@hotmail.com | there are claimed to be between 20,000 and 30,000 species of true bees in the world -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making Increase, "Yard Trashing" Date: 5 Oct 1997 18:53:26 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 38 Message-ID: <01bcd1bf$effb16e0$9b6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <9709300726072652@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-27.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Oct 05 1:53:26 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9901 Andy Nachbaur wrote in article <9709300726072652@beenet.com>... | | *Stolen from the BEE-List FYI | How to make increase using medium depth supers | | From: George C Walker III | Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:22:21 EDT | Subject: "Yard Trashing" | | I borrow the term "yard trashing" from a beekeeper friend who has never | used the method but who read about it in a bee journal article a few | years back. I have not read the article nor talked to the originators of | the method but have used our version of it with success. Don't know if other articles about "yard trashing" have appeared lately in any of the bee journals but one such article appeared in Volume 136 No. 4; April 1996; American Bee Journal, pgs. 251 & 252 - written by yours truly, Jack Griffes - the original concept nor the name "yard trashing" did not originate here nor have I been able to track down the originator though I certainly would be interested in doing so IF that party is still amongst the living. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Diminishing Bee Populations: Myth of Fact? Date: 5 Oct 1997 19:27:11 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 52 Message-ID: <01bcd1c4$a7013280$9b6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3437D2A3.2BD9B505@pacbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-27.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Oct 05 2:27:11 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9902 Michael Henry wrote in article <3437D2A3.2BD9B505@pacbell.net>... | Hi - | The other evening while driving I found myself listening to a late night | AM talk show host and he shoked me by telling us that the current world | honeybee population was down by 85%. If it matters I believe he said | honeybee - but I know he said bee. to be even more specific within the species of honeybees it is the species Apis mellifera (the common honeybee) alone that is having particularly difficult times at present - due primarily to parasitic mites and the diseases they vector or catalyze | I had heard that we have lowered populations with increased pesticide | use and ruining habaitats. these things certainly play a part - perhaps Pollinator (Dave Green) will address them more fully But the figure of 85% was absolutely | shocking. Do we really only have 15% of the bees we had 50 years ago? good question - don't know about the exact figures but the feral population here in MI where it was once VERY abundant is now at near zero as far as actually "surviving for two or more years" feral colonies go - in pre-mite days the feral honeybees pollinated 50% of the pickles (MSU study) and nowadays some growers report "not a bee in the whole field" if they fail to rent bees for pollination - so whether the exact figures are correct or a bit inflated I cannot say but I can tell you the loss of feral colonies and the reduction in beekeepers has had and is having its effect on pollination in MI -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!iagnet.net!robin.theramp.net!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Diminishing Bee Populations: Myth of Fact? Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 16:03:35 +0000 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3437BA56.4CE@birkey.com> References: <3437D2A3.2BD9B505@pacbell.net> Reply-To: barry@birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: nap-ip-106.theramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9903 Michael Henry wrote: > > Hi - > The other evening while driving I found myself listening to a late night > AM talk show host and he shoked me by telling us that the current world > honeybee population was down by 85%. If it matters I believe he said > honeybee - but I know he said bee. I find this to be very fallacious. To group even all honeybees into a grand number like that is pretty bold on the reporters end. Surely they must be referring to only the feral population as beekeeping is on the rise. Andy must have some info to back this up I'll bet. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 9904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NH Beekeeping Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 19:37:35 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 40 Message-ID: <343824BE.6040CC20@valley.net> References: <3433FAD1.83523884@spam.sunspot.tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-117.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9904 hi brian. i've sent you the name, address and phone number of the secretary of the new hampshire beekeeper's association via email. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Brian Boerner wrote: > Does anyone have any contacts for the NH Beekeeping Association. I was > speaking with someone in Merrimack NH, but I lost his phone number. > I have also, unfortunately, forgotten his name as well. I am interested > in going out and finding out about beekeeping and perhaps helping > someone prepare for the winter. I would also like to start up in the > spring. > > Please send me some email, at the address: > bboerner@spam.sunspot.tiac.net and just remove the work spam. > > Dont want all those harvest bots to put me on thier junk lists > > :) > > Anyways, if someone could please help me out, I would greatly appreciate > it. > > Regards, > Brian Article 9905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.48.96.125!in3.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail From: "John Swift" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Another Beekeeping Short Course! Date: 6 Oct 1997 01:23:44 GMT Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bcd1f6$b9143300$1a516682@uqgpapc14.uqg.uq.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: uqgpapc14.uqg.uq.edu.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9905 The University OF Queensland Apiary Section is offering a Beekeeping Short Course Sat. Dec.6 to Mon. Dec 8 Cost $380.00 Fee includes Tuition, Accommodation, Meals , Field Trip & Social Evening. Course Content: Queen Bee Rearing & Introduction Hive Equipment Hive Disease Diagnosis & Control Seasonal Management Flora Handling Equipment Crop Pollination Contact Business Ideas & Training Services The University of Queensland Gatton College Qld. 4345 Article 9906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!winter.news.erols.com!news From: Ronald Lash Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginner Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 20:08:23 -0400 Organization: Hi-View Aerial Photography Lines: 6 Message-ID: <34382BF7.3C90@erols.com> Reply-To: rjlash@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lxp-as1s38.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received-On: 6 Oct 1997 01:23:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9906 Hi I have just started working on the hive about 3 weeks ago and the hives biuld quickly. My family has had a few hives a couple years ago. So we still had some stuff left over. Adam Lash Article 9907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <343845CB.B52CBDF4@nni.com> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 21:58:35 -0400 From: Groucho X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: various books and publications for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ascend156.nni.com Lines: 30 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!digex!news2.digex.net!digex!news1.digex.net!news.nni.com!ascend156.nni.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9907 My grandfather is a former secretary for the PA Beekeeping Association. He has asked me to post a list of books and publications which he wishes to sell. If this is not the correct forum for such things, kindly e-mail me at grouch@nni.com with a better place to post. Anyway, here's the list he sent me: Gleanings in Bee Culture - years 1893, 1895, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1902, 1907, 1910. The Hive and the HoneyBee - copyright 1946, Dadant & Sons The Life of the Bee - Maurice Link, 1917 Fifty Years Among the Bees - Dr. C.C. Miller 1915 Better Queens - Jay Smith, 1949 Practical Queen Rearing - Frnak C. Pellot, 1918 The Irsish (sic) Bee Guide - J. D. Digges, 1904 He also has a large collection of monthly Bee Journals available. Please e-mail me if you are interested in any of these publications, and I will see to it he receives your info. Better living through beekeeping! Thanks, Groucho@nni.com Article 9908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.56!ais.net!iagnet.net!robin.theramp.net!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Want to start hive Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 22:17:09 +0000 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 16 Message-ID: <343811E4.69C2@birkey.com> References: <34369427.7060@iquest.net> Reply-To: barry@birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: nap-ip-141.theramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9908 Michael Constant wrote: > > Are there any grants to start bee hives. I also want some names of bee > suppliers. I was also wondering if it was to late to start a hive in > Indiana. I will go ahead and grant you to get started but wait till next spring as it's too late for this year in Indiana. Suppliers can be found at: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/besuply.html and I can recommend Dadant as a good starting point. -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 9909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.51.24.226!news.ispn.net!not-for-mail From: "greek" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help wanted Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:21:50 -0500 Organization: Internet Services Provider Network Lines: 13 Message-ID: <619rs9$o1s$1@news.ispn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: srt-149.dialup.ndak.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9909 Experienced beekeeper, needed for full time employment with migratory beekeeping operation. (ND-TX) Job involves all aspects of large migratory operation. queen raising, nuc making, northern care, supering, honeying pulling, extracting) contact dcollins@intrastar.net Article 9910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: electronic beekeeping dictionary Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 11:27:57 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3438BD2D.1EC2@europem01.nt.com> References: <875846067@amigabee.org.uk> Reply-To: ask01.delete_this@europem01.nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.141.198 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9910 Hugo Veerkamp wrote: > > Introducing the Bee Pages electronic DICTIONARY OF BEEKEEPING TERMS large snip > A free demonstration version of the program has been placed on our website at > http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/beedic. > Unforseen circumstances have delayed the project somewhat, but we hope to smaller snip My server reports that it can't contact server "www.inter.nl.net", is this the correct address? -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. ask01.delete_this@europem01.nt.com [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!titan.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@titan.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Book FAQ #1 Date: 6 Oct 1997 10:57:20 -0400 Organization: SunSITE UNC-CH Lines: 153 Message-ID: <61au8g$7vs@titan.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9911 The Beekeeping Book Faq A short list of beekeeping and beekeeping related books. Contributions from sci.agriculture.beekeeping, bee-l and from real life. Contributors names are not included--if you want to know who suggested what book, e-mail me and I'll dig up the original e-mail I received. The books are listed by topic. This FAQ to be archived at The Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive, posted to sci.agriculture.beekeeping and mailed to bee-l. Requests, comments, and queries can be sent to: adamf@sunsite.unc.edu *** Beginner Beekeeping Books: *** The best book for beginners is Richard Taylor's _HOW TO DO IT_. It is published by A.I.Root Company, Medina, Ohio 44256. For the beginner: _First_Lessons_in_Beekeeping_, Dadant Press. It's elementary, but covers all the bases that one needs to get started ( I think this one is confusing--Ed.) Walter Kelley's _How to Keep Bees and Sell Honey_. _The Beekeepers Handbook_, 1986, Sammmataro, D. and Avitable, Alphonse, New York, Macmillian, 1986. ISBN 0-02-081410-0. *** Practical Management Books *** (includes queen rearing, and comb honey production) _Beekeeping_ ...an Australian book, It was first published in Victoria, Australia, as _Beekeeping in Victoria_ , circa 1925. It has had a host of revisions since and has been expanded and revised. It is produced by the Agriculture Department. _HONEY BY THE TON_, by Oliver Field, of Berkshire, UK. Roger Morse and Ted Hooper's illustrated encyclopedia: _The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Beekeeping_. _The Art of Beekeeping_, William Hamilton (1945)Herald Printing Works. _Guide to Bees and Honey_, Ted Hooper, Rodale Press?? McGregor _Insect Pollination of Cultivated Crop Plants_. A basic reference book, needs to be updated, but still the best there is. _Almond Pollination Handbook_, Joe Traynor . Some very practical tips on maximizing pollination on most any crop. _Beekeeping - A complete Owner's Manual_ ,by Werner Melzer. Published by Barron's ISBN 0-8120-4089-9. _Hive Management - A seasonal Guide for Beekeepers"_ by Richard E. Bonney, published by Garden Way Publishing, ISBN 0-88266-637-1. _The Hive and the Honey Bee_ , Dadant, (this is the seminal Beekeeping and Honey Bee reference book, Ed.) _The A,B,C's and X,Y,Z's of Beekeeping_, A.I. Root. (most valuable as an antique) is: The Practical Bee Guide -- A Manual of Modern Beekeeping by The Rev. J. G. Digges, M.A. (Expert, and Member of the Examining Board, Irish Beekeepers Association Editor , "Irish Bee Journal".)Published in 1910 it is a masterpiece of English Literature. _Honey_in_the_Comb_ by E. Killion. The title is unfortunate because the book is good for all beekeepers whether they intend to make comb honey or not. _Contemporary_Queen_Rearing_, Harry Laidlaw. _Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey_ Brother Adam. _Breeding The Honeybee_ Brother Adam. *** Honey Bee Biology *** _The Hive and the Honeybee_ Dadant. _The Biology of the Honeybee_, Mark Winston, ISBN 0-674-07409-2 _The Honey Bee_, Gould and Gould, ISBN 0-7167-5023-6 (out of print?) *** Anecdotal or Narrative Beekeeping Books *** _Bees Are My Business _ Harry Whitcomb. _Following the Bloom_ by Douglas Whynott/1991 Beacon Press . _Bees and Their Keepers_ by Richard Trump/Iowa State U. Press,Ames 1987. _Mastering_the_Art_of_Beekeeping_ and _The_Art_and_Adventure_of_Beekeeping_ Both by Ormand Aebi. _The Book of Bees_ , Sue Hubbel. For entertainment with a beekeeping slant Gene Stratton- Porter. 1925 Doubleday _A Keeper of Bees_ is a slightly moralistic little tale for any aged reader. _50 Years Among the Bees_, .C.C. Miller. _The Bee Hunter_, James Fenimore Cooper. *** Children's Beekeeping Books *** _BEES_, Gallimard Jeunesse, Ute Fuhr, and Raoul Sautai A First Discovery Book, Scholastic Inc. New York Toronto London Auckland Sydney. *** Bee and Hive Products *** _Super Formulas_ , Elain C. White (Honey and wax recipies). _Beeswax and Candlemaking_ , Richard Taylor. *** Information that's not Management Related *** _Archeology of Beekeeping_, Eva Crane. _ A Book of Honey_ , Eva Crane. _American Honey Plants_, Frank Pellet. Note: Since there are myriad beekeeping books and references, and this was the first attempt to list some of them, from citizens on the Internet, THERE WILL UNDOUBTEDLY BE SOME GOOD BOOKS LEFT OUT. If you want to suggest a book, e-mail adamf@sunsite.unc.edu and I'll include the book next time. Finding these books: I'd suggest the library first, then your nearest University library. If you have a *borrowed book* you can see if you really want to purchase it by reading it. If you still want to purchase it, having the actual book in front of you gives all the necessary information to a book retailer on how to order the book. Some will be out of print, but can still be found with luck /digging. As a last resort, post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping and maybe someone there will be able to help. Happy reading, Adam adamf@sunsite.unc.edu This FAQ, Copyright © Adam Finkelstein. All Rights Reserved. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://www.sunsite.unc.edu/bees Article 9912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arachnid.Gsu.EDU!panther.Gsu.EDU!biojdsx From: James D Satterfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:12:01 -0400 Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <34302FCA.32CD@erols.com> <616vtt$rer$2@nntp.pe.net> <34377B66.94A@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.1.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: arachnid.Gsu.EDU 876147131 258 (None) 131.96.1.18 X-Complaints-To: usenet@arachnid.Gsu.EDU To: Ed & Joy In-Reply-To: <34377B66.94A@erols.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9912 The website http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm has top bar hive information on it, and different types of construction materials are included in the FAQ's. Cordially yours, Jim James D. Satterfield Canton is about 40 mi/64 km 258 Ridge Pine Drive north of Atlanta, Georgia USA Canton GA 30114 USA 34.24N, 084.47W (770) 479-4784 Top Bar Hive Beekeeping Website: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Ed & Joy wrote: > Top Bar Hive beekeepers will > > often even use stuff that is not wood at all for their bee hives. > > > I,ve seen an article where hives were made out of concrete! > > Ed > > Article 9913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!gsl-penn-ns.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.belnet.be!news.fundp.ac.be!mac-biochimie1.biocell.fundp.ac.be!user From: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be (Benoit MARTIN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: electronic beekeeping dictionary Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:17:24 +0100 Organization: F.U.N.D.P - Cellular Biochemistry Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <875846067@amigabee.org.uk> <3438BD2D.1EC2@europem01.nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mac-biochimie1.biocell.fundp.ac.be Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9913 In article (Dans l'article) <3438BD2D.1EC2@europem01.nt.com>, ask01.delete_this@europem01.nt.com wrote (écrivait) : > Hugo Veerkamp wrote: > > > > Introducing the Bee Pages electronic DICTIONARY OF BEEKEEPING TERMS > > large snip > > > A free demonstration version of the program has been placed on our website at > > http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/beedic. > > Unforseen circumstances have delayed the project somewhat, but we hope to > > smaller snip > > My server reports that it can't contact server "www.inter.nl.net", is > this the correct address? I've got the same message. Benoit MARTIN -- Benoit MARTIN Laboratory of Cellular Biochemistry, Facultes Universitaires ND de la Paix, 61, rue de Bruxelles, B-5000 Namur (Belgium). Fax: ++/32/81/72.41.35. Email: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be Article 9914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jkemp90@aol.com (JKemp90) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NOVICE Date: 6 Oct 1997 20:29:08 GMT Lines: 2 Message-ID: <19971006202900.QAA14514@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9914 Interested in starting a hive. There are two dozen hives on the property adjacent to my field. Would this present a problem? Article 9915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Royal Jelly Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:10:41 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34396FF1.61F8@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d6.dial-6.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9915 My wife bought a can of honey that claims to have royal jelly in it. How can they make this claim? Can royal jelly be deliberately harvested like pollen? Does anyone know what royal jelly is and has it ever been isolated? Thanxm Marc Andelman Article 9916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: African bees wanted Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:22:45 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 6 Message-ID: <343972C5.50D8@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d6.dial-6.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9916 I heard that African bees make more honey and are easily managed with the right equipment. Does anyone want to sent me a queen? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 9917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.unisys.com.br!not-for-mail From: "Fabio de Almeida Lo Prete" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I need a BEE PICTURE, PLEASE!! Date: 7 Oct 1997 01:02:41 GMT Organization: Macsys Informatica LTDA Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01bcd2c5$13c996e0$2404dcc8@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: riopm01p03.unisys.com.br X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9917 I' m from Brazil and need a bee picture. I'm doing a visual basic and access computer program and this bee picture will be my principal program simbol. The picture must be very beautiful. It doesn't need to be a real bee, it can be a cartoon bee . But the bee has to be whit a great smile in her face. To everybody who send me a litlle and beautiful bee thank you ! i'm Fabio Article 9918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: electronic beekeeping dictionary Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:01:03 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 36 Message-ID: <343989CF.BF7AA08B@valley.net> References: <875846067@amigabee.org.uk> <3438BD2D.1EC2@europem01.nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-143.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9918 Adrian Kyte wrote: > Hugo Veerkamp wrote: > > > > Introducing the Bee Pages electronic DICTIONARY OF BEEKEEPING TERMS > > large snip > > > A free demonstration version of the program has been placed on our website at > > http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/beedic. > > Unforseen circumstances have delayed the project somewhat, but we hope to > > smaller snip > > My server reports that it can't contact server "www.inter.nl.net", is > this the correct address? > -- > Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England > Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my > employers. > ask01.delete_this@europem01.nt.com [work] > beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] i was able to connect, but received a '404 error - file not found' message. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Book FAQ #1 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:12:29 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 44 Message-ID: <34398C7D.535E4DD6@valley.net> References: <61au8g$7vs@titan.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-143.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9919 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > The Beekeeping Book Faq > > A short list of beekeeping and beekeeping related books. Contributions > from sci.agriculture.beekeeping, bee-l and from real life. Contributors > names are not included--if you want to know who suggested what book, > e-mail me and I'll dig up the original e-mail I received. The books are > listed by topic. > [snip] > > I'd suggest the library first, then your nearest University library. If > you have a *borrowed book* you can see if you really want to purchase it by > reading it. If you still want to purchase it, having the actual book in > front of you gives all the necessary information to a book retailer on how > to order the book. Some will be out of print, but can still be found with > luck /digging. As a last resort, post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping and > maybe someone there will be able to help. > > Happy reading, > > Adam > > adamf@sunsite.unc.edu > This FAQ, Copyright © Adam Finkelstein. All Rights Reserved. > -- > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive > adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://www.sunsite.unc.edu/bees thanks for the list, adam. great idea. i've emailed my suggestion to you. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News1.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news1.istar.ca!not-for-mail From: billfern@istar.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen problem Date: 7 Oct 1997 02:39:17 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 58 Message-ID: <61c7cl$7sf$1@news.istar.ca> References: <617jkd$1l2$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts27-03.vcr.istar.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9920 You will likely get lots of replies but here are my comments. First, good idea to check the hives once in awhile, but going inside should be avoided as much as possible. When you do intrude, be careful that the queen is not on the top of the hive, or on something you set on the ground. Appears she was this time, and you saw the result. If the queen was out of the hive, you could have taken the cover off the suspect hive, and see if the bees are disturbed. Usually when the queen leaves they get upset and act a bit different, make noise etc. If you had done this, you would have noted the absent queen hive almost immediately, but it does take some practice, and knowledge of the usual vs the unusual behaviour. So, hope that helps. Make sure both hives near where you found the queen have fresh eggs in them, or if they did when you conducted the inspections, you should be ok. Now, leave the hives alone. If you start lifting frames out, you may kill the queen that is being developed, and you will be worse off. Look in the hives after 30 days from the incident. If you see eggs in both, you are ok, and if you find them in the first frame you pull out, don't take out any more. Catching swarms is not an issue. Bees swarm when they are short of room and as a natural instinct. Refer to some good books for advice on this issue. Bees will normally swarm in the second year of the life of the queen, and if this is your second year for those other hives you mentioned, watch them for swarms. Not a lot you can do except catch the swarms. In article <617jkd$1l2$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz>, fbates@ihug.co.nz says... > >Hi, > I am an inexperienced (1 season) beekeeper in NZ, with 2 hives that >have overwintered and 3 hives containing swarms that I have collected >since early Sept. We are in early spring here, and I took the >opportunity a couple of days ago to inspect the hives. All looked >well, one of the swarms had lots of brood, the other 2 swarms are >drawing combs nicely, the 2 overwintered hives still had some stores, >and seem to be building up well. >A couple of hours after I had finished I noticed a small group of bees >on the ground between two of the hives, when I looked a little closer >I discovered they were clustered on a queen, who appeared to be barely >alive. Not knowing what to do, I put her on the landing board of the >hive I thought she had most likely come out of, but the guards >attacked her immediately and killed her. A few questions: > What should I have done? > Will it become obvious from the behaviour of the bees which hive is >now queenless, or will I need to wait a couple of weeks & re-inspect >the hives to ascertain this? > I am fairly sure the queen came from one of two colonies which have >plenty of brood in all stages, can I just let the colony raise their >own queen to replace the dead one? > By collecting swarms, will I end up with colonies that are more prone >to swarming behaviour? >Any help will be much appreciated. >Cheers >fbates@ihug.co.nz > Article 9921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Georgia-Mississippi Hive Conditions Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:09:00 GMT Message-ID: <9710062117502682@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <334F05D0.712F@mgl.ca> Lines: 33 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9921 http://www.ams.usda.gov/mncs/mn%5Freports/tv%5Ffv193.txt TV FV193,YYJ THOMASVILLE, GA. OCTOBER 6, 1997 VERSTRATE - YAKIMA HONEY REPORT GEORGIA - Colonies around the state were from fair to good condition. Colony condition was highly dependent on beekeepers treatment for parasitic mites earlier in the year. There continues to be a dirth of any significant nectar source in south and middle Georgia. Some beekeepers were involved in supplemental feeding to compensate colonies with light stores. In the northern half of the state, fall floral sources such as aster and goldenrod were increasing colony strength and levels of stores. Commercial beekeepers around the state were beginning with their fall maintenance programs. MISSISSIPPI - Colonies around the state were generally in good condition. In the southern portions of the state, the majority of September noted a dirth of any significant nectar sources. Colonies were primarily feeding off reserves built up earlier in the summer. Towards the end of September, goldenrod was beginning to bloom. Beekeepers were hopeful their colonies will be able to increase their levels of stores during the goldenrod flow. In the central and northern portions of the state, goldenrod was blooming as well during late September. Earlier in the month there were fairly good flows from boneset and other wildflowers. During the month of October aster is expected to bloom and become a potential honey source. 1000e rd --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/beecam/beecam.html Article 9922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!gatech!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd.cv.hp.com!hplabs!hplntx!hplb!rsmith.hpl.hp.com!mdr From: mdr@hpl.hp.com (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: electronic beekeeping dictionary Sender: news@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Usenet News Administrator) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:39:39 GMT References: <875846067@amigabee.org.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: rsmith.hpl.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9922 Hugo Veerkamp (hugo.veerkamp@amigabee.org.uk) wrote: > Introducing the Bee Pages electronic DICTIONARY OF BEEKEEPING TERMS > > A free demonstration version of the program has been placed on our website at > http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/beedic. The URL is actually: http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/beedic.htm ^^^^ -- Malcolm Roe mdr@hplb.hpl.hp.com Article 9923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.56!ais.net!iagnet.net!198.87.88.26!news.altair.com!newshost.comco.com!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:19:09 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3439F07D.7442@europem01.nt.com> References: <34396FF1.61F8@ultranet.com> Reply-To: ask01.delete_this@europem01.nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.141.198 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9923 Marc Andelman wrote: > > My wife bought a can of honey that claims to have royal jelly > in it. How can they make this claim? Can royal jelly > be deliberately harvested like pollen? Does anyone know > what royal jelly is and has it ever been isolated? > > Thanxm > Marc Andelman Royal Jelly can be harvested from brood frames with oung larva in. I don't know how it's done, it must be very labour intensive if done manually! -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. ask01.delete_this@europem01.nt.com [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jørn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen grain database /beeplant flora Date: 7 Oct 1997 08:10:09 GMT Organization: EDBi Lines: 49 Message-ID: <01bcd2f7$e8f29ba0$0100007f@jornjoha> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp22.rd.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 876211809 55096 (None) 194.239.161.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.inet.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9924 I have now prepared this for download from http://www.wn.com.au/apimo the software is free software but I will ask you to register it because I am curious about the interest. The pollen database has been developed with help from a lot of people and I have to give a big 'Thank You'. Especially to the members of BeeNet with special thanks to John White, England for the excellent pollen helpfile, to Dr. Malcolm T. Stanford for the pollen pictures from Florida and to Durk Ellison for the tremendous work he has put in this project. (around 8000 Latin names in the database and a lot of pollen grain pictures, that are delivered separately). A lot of other people have been engaged in this project too and I am here giving a big THANK YOU to all of You! The Pollen database has been developed for those beekeepers who are interested in knowing the source of their honey. It is also suitable for building up your own Beeplant Flora. You can, by adding pictures, build your own local database, but be warned : The pictures must be in Windows BMP format, and four pictures occupies around 1mb of your diskspace. The best of it is, that this software is free of charge. The only thing we will ask of you is that you help us to improve the database by sending us the information and pictures you add yourself, so that we can build up a CD with this software, containing as many pictures as possible. Best regards Jorn Johanesson apimo@post4.tele.dk -- EDBi = Beekeeping software for Windows 3.1 win95 e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk edbi homepage http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo or http://www.wn.com.au/apimo Ken Morris homepage http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm Article 9925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: John Germany Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollen database Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:15:00 -0400 Organization: Johnny's Billiards and Grill Lines: 3 Message-ID: <343A35D4.426@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ath-ga2-04.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Oct 07 8:15:56 AM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9925 can someone please send me the address of the pollen database that was posted here recently? human error has removed it from this machines memory. thanks so much! Article 9926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!137.192.241.248!mr.net!news.mr.net!bell.pconline.com!not-for-mail From: "Alan Miron" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Equipment 4 sale. Northern WI Date: 7 Oct 1997 17:47:55 GMT Organization: pcOnline Internet Services Lines: 411 Message-ID: <01bcd348$fbcc2f60$LocalHost@amiron> NNTP-Posting-Host: tsa-p1.pconline.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9926 My father was a beekeeper in Northern Wisconsin for many years. Recently he passed away and I am trying to help my mother liquidate all of his bee keeping equipment. I have produce a spreadsheet listing all the equipment available. Some of it is used, but a lot of it is brand new, since my father was a Dadant dealer for the area. We also have a number of periodicals and magazines pertaining to the trade. This could be useful to persons just starting out in the business or just for reference. The location of the equipment is in Ashland Wisconsin. I am located in the Twin Cities. I will be available to show the equipment on weekends. The equipment is substancial but we are willing to sell it off in smaller parcels. I used Excel 97 to produce the list. Since Office 97 is fairly new I have put the list in Adobe Acrobat PDF format. If you don't already have a the free reader you can download it from the Adobe web site http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/win95rs.html. The prices for the equipment were derived through our cost of the new equipment from both Dadant and Kelly companies. These prices are still negotiable. For some items I couldn't really figure the price so these items can be sold with an offering to be made. One last item. The equipment is in a warehouse just outside the city of Ashland. This is were my father kept his hives. If anyone is interested in the business as a whole, we will sell the land, the building, and the equipment as a business. The honey harvested from this area is clover and our customers always complimented how good it was. For serious inquiries, call Veroncia Miron Ashland Wisconsin 715-682-4180 or Alan J. Miron Minnetonka, MN 612-935-0293 amiron@pconline.com begin 600 Inventory.PDF M)5!$1BTQ+C(@#0HEXN//TPT*( T*." P(&]B:@T*/#P-"B],96YG=&@@.2 P M(%(-"B]&:6QT97(@+TQ:5T1E8V]D92 -"CX^#0IS=')E86T-"H 0BH#1D,!< M-AH(!K!1<.! 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I also want some names of bee >suppliers. I was also wondering if it was to late to start a hive in >Indiana. I can't answer about grants - it would surprise me if you qualify for any sort of assistance though. Generally people start out in the spring. You avoid the problems associated with overwintering, the colony will be small and easy to manage, and you have the chance to take an artificial swarm from your colony later in the summer if you want to build up. You'll get the addresses you need from the American Beekeepers' Journal. John Article 9929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Date: 8 Oct 1997 02:15:10 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 39 Message-ID: <01bcd38f$f585c520$8386dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <34396FF1.61F8@ultranet.com> <3439F07D.7442@europem01.nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh9-03.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Oct 07 7:15:10 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9929 Adrian Kyte wrote in article <3439F07D.7442@europem01.nt.com>... | Marc Andelman wrote: | > | > My wife bought a can of honey that claims to have royal jelly | > in it. How can they make this claim? Can royal jelly | > be deliberately harvested like pollen? Does anyone know | > what royal jelly is and has it ever been isolated? | Royal Jelly can be harvested from brood frames with oung larva in. I | don't know how it's done, it must be very labour intensive if done | manually! Don't know how the more sophisicted operators collect royal jelly but in China one way they do it is to feed their cell builders pollen patties. Then they graft about 90 queen cups per cell builder (and they get 100% take most often too on lines bred for royal jelly production) then before queen cell is capped they pull out the larvae. After which they use a fine "paintbrush" to swab the royal jelly out and they put it in a jar. The Chinese produce A LOT of royal jelly thata way - A LOT. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: luke49133@aol.com (Luke49133) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax Press Date: 8 Oct 1997 05:26:54 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19971008052600.BAA24961@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9930 Fellow Beekeepers I need to get my well-stung paws on a wax press for making wax foundation. If any of you cats know where I can get a hold of one please email me ASAP. Luke49133@aol.com Your help in this matter will be so damned appreciated I can't describe it here. Article 9931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: luke49133@aol.com (Luke49133) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: do you want my bees? Date: 8 Oct 1997 05:27:40 GMT Lines: 1 Message-ID: <19971008052700.BAA24997@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3436E155.4AF7@spamfree.not> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9931 Why the hell would I want your bees? Article 9932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.56!ais.net!iagnet.net!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: fbates@ihug.co.nz (bates) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen Traps Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 05:01:14 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 10 Message-ID: <61fibn$sd9$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p24-max23.auck.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9932 Hi I am interested in making a pollen trap. Could anyone give me the size I need for the mesh or holes to strip the pollen from the bees as they enter the hive. Any other advise , or pointers to where I can get info on designs that work, would be appreciated. Cheers Frank fbates@ihug.co.nz Article 9933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!195.99.66.215!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!news-peer.bt.net!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: electronic beekeeping dictionary Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:11:54 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: <$JrmeAAa77O0EwO7@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> References: <875846067@amigabee.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqhQl7U5JyTsf+y> Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9933 In article , Malcolm Roe writes >The URL is actually: > http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/beedic.htm > ^^^^ > >-- >Malcolm Roe mdr@hplb.hpl.hp.com Still nowt. All I get is No match found for http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/beedic.htm. -- Tom Speight Article 9934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.sprintlink.co.za!ilink3.nis.za!not-for-mail From: "N. Holloway" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: African bees wanted Date: 8 Oct 1997 18:17:36 GMT Organization: The Dream Challenge Trust Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bcd416$649533c0$6f7906c4@nigholl.nis.za> References: <343972C5.50D8@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp11.nis.za X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9934 I have a sense that the African bee might not be as "easily" managed as one might suspect. As an "African" who works with the Capensis, and has seen the scutellata in action, I would advise anyone who thinks the african bee is easy to manage to think again. They are pretty mean. Apart from this, they are pretty damn good producers of honey. Regards Marc Andelman wrote in article <343972C5.50D8@ultranet.com>... > I heard that African bees make more honey and are easily > managed with the right equipment. Does anyone want to > sent me a queen? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman > Article 9935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: electronic beekeeping dictionary Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 19:49:38 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <343C1C12.8AB4F0B0@valley.net> References: <875846067@amigabee.org.uk> <$JrmeAAa77O0EwO7@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-104.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9935 Tom Speight wrote: > In article , Malcolm Roe > writes > >The URL is actually: > > http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/beedic.htm > > ^^^^ > > > >-- > >Malcolm Roe mdr@hplb.hpl.hp.com > > Still nowt. > All I get is > No match found for http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/beedic.htm. > -- > Tom Speight hmmmm. that url DID work for me. perhaps, you need to keep trying? bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <343C41AD.167EB0E7@trinet.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 22:30:05 -0400 From: Steve Crumley Reply-To: crumley@trinet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; U; BSD/OS 3.0 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Equip for sale -NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.25.192.50 Organization: InterLAN Communications, Inc. Lines: 16 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp1.crl.com!news.ilan.net!206.25.192.50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9936 I'm in the Raleigh NC area and I have approx 6 hive bodies, 7 supers, assembled frames, top and bottom boards, hive tool, etc along with a very nice small hand crank stainless steel extractor for sale. Also some unassembled frames and misc spacers, entrance reducers, etc. Everything is in good condition, the extractor has never been used. After the arrivial of my daughter, I just haven't had the time for the bees, and then the mites made it a mute point anyway. :-( Now we're about to move and I don't want to have to move all this equipment, so make me an offer! I can be reached at crumley@trinet.com or by voice during the day at 919-833-2247 x226 and at home at 919-419-1641. Thanks, -Steve Crumley Article 9937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.us.interop.net!mr.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.magicnet.net!not-for-mail From: Eileen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Disease symptoms Date: 9 Oct 1997 04:42:54 GMT Organization: DiversiSoft, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <343C8ADE.C314A93@nospam.magicnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm53-00.magicnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win16; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9937 Anyone ever had a pink tinge to cells and burr comb on their hives? Hope this isn't early AFB. Eileen Article 9938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.magicnet.net!not-for-mail From: Eileen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Disease symptoms Date: 9 Oct 1997 04:41:42 GMT Organization: DiversiSoft, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <343C8A97.F2E74FAE@nospam.magicnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm53-00.magicnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win16; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9938 Anyone ever had a pink tinge to cells and burr comb on their hives? Hope this isn't early AFB. Eileen Article 9939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.magicnet.net!not-for-mail From: Eileen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WEB WORMS(?) OH NO! Date: 9 Oct 1997 04:37:35 GMT Organization: DiversiSoft, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <343C899C.CB4A258A@nospam.magicnet.net> References: <6114c2$m98$1@news.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm53-00.magicnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win16; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9939 eaguilr wrote: > > Folks, > Well, it's all over but the cleanup over here. > Had a first year hive going.. doing well.. checking em every 7 dayts or > so > SUDDENLY, in the course of about a week, the hive was devastated by > these worms ( WEB WORMS i think they are called). the bees were killed > or just left, cant tell exactly. What could I have done to prevent > this? > Thanks for any help, > edwin Edwin, Do you still have a queen bee? Are there eggs and larvae in some of the cells? As long as you have a strong queen and she keeps the population up, the bees should keep the wax moth under control. I also didn't know what to look for on these critters. Seems there's lots of publication on wax moth webs, but not on what the insect looks like! I check the hives every 2 weeks and scrape the bottom board and frame edges of wax moth debris as the larvae will eat the wood. 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For complete info http://www.totolotto.com/rafibeny Contact rafi@freeyellow.com Rafael Goldman Executive v.p Sales Menager The Global Lottery Network .Corp The Palace st 22018 Suite 118 Frankfourt Germany 2927802 Article 9946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jørn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Software for Beekeeping Date: 10 Oct 1997 13:52:10 GMT Organization: EDBi Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bcd583$63cde040$23a1efc2@jornjoha> References: <61ku5k$1q9@news.kom.tuwien.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp35.rd.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 876491530 52164 (None) 194.239.161.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.inet.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9946 Jhon Bee Good skrev i artiklen <61ku5k$1q9@news.kom.tuwien.ac.at>... > Is there any software for beekeeping ? > Yes :-) -- EDBi = Beekeeping software for Windows 3.1 win95 e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk edbi homepage http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo or http://www.wn.com.au/apimo Ken Morris homepage http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm Article 9947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!03-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!news.kom.tuwien.ac.at!PC080 From: ukhgkuhg@knlbjkl.jj (Jhon Bee Good) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Software for Beekeeping Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 11:57:02 GMT Organization: TU-WIEN Lines: 1 Message-ID: <61ku5k$1q9@news.kom.tuwien.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc080.ben.tuwien.ac.at X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9947 Is there any software for beekeeping ? Article 9948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.97.151.10!cezanne.intur.net!not-for-mail From: "J. Wes Lee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bumble bees Date: 10 Oct 1997 15:54:53 GMT Organization: InturNet, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bcd594$c1a7b180$810bd8cc@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-129.starcomm.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9948 I am looking for information on management of bumble bees for pollination, especially in greenhouses. Could someone please give me direction? Article 9949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Daniel Mark Harvey" Subject: formic acid gel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bcd59c$e5b09260$9df91fce@DanHarvey> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.31.249.157 Date: 10 Oct 97 20:19:58 GMT Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.232.1!avalon.imagixx.net!206.31.249.157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9949 Hi, If anyone has any info on were to obtain formic acid gel for use in killing bee mites, (as described on discovery news) please send or email me! danielha@emwv.com Discovery news had a wonderful story all about bees and the mites and the new method (formic acid gel) of killing them. It was on a few weeks ago but I have not been able to get transcripts of the show or any info on their web site. Death to bee mites, Dan Article 9950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!196.4.160.15!feeder.is.co.za!quagga.ru.ac.za!ph-260 From: username@server.ru.ac.za (Your Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Stupid things to do with a box of bees Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 17:47:15 GMT Organization: Rhodes University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <61lpn5$s5v@quagga.ru.ac.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: ph-260.lab.ru.ac.za X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9950 This afternoon, a happy wamr day in Sunny El Ninoed South Africa I was told of a swarm hanging in a tree just down the road. When I got there it had already moved into the tree i found. Actually my malinformed sources had just seen the few bees fanning the entrance and called it a swarm. This was a few week old colony as evidenced by the five brood combs. Remove combs, smoke bees put in box. Then another swarm landed in a tree a few meters away, so I found another old photocopy box and tried to shake that one into the box. Now we have a situation with two photocopier paper boxes on a pavement on a reasonable busy street, both with bees all over them. Then one of our campus security guards comes running and says 'There are some bees landing in that tree over there!' Sure enough another photocopier paper box was required and soon another photocopier box was on the ground with bees all over it, slowly getting their ventilation system and metabolisms adjusted so they copuld all hang out in the box where they now figured they had landed. So I walk back to the other box and discover an idio has kicked the box, because he thought there was honey in it, and he wanted to get the honey. What sort of fool thinks a beehive, that was not there in a box on a pavement yesterday will have honey today????? The bees are everywhere on the pavement and all over him and he is too scared to move now because they are in his pants. So I put the bees back in the box, got them scenting by flicking them and then helped him get the bees of him. The ones in his pants could stay there for all I cared. What a fool! Anyhow, if those were true African Honey bees he would have been dead!!!! (Darwins latest little Dud) Just my funny Day Hope it was amusing Keep well Garth Article 9951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Effects of Under-Usage of Antibiotics Date: 10 Oct 1997 17:47:56 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19971010174701.NAA18542@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9951 Surprise,,,surprise, surprise Some of us not! tetracycline study the effects of under dosage of bacteria, to attempt to develop a population of resistant family,,,,,,, Conclusions of under dosage treatments: IT DID NOT work. When treatment was resumed at recommended dosage efficacy resumed. check it out at www.sidwell.edu/~bgravitz/bio/bio.html Article 9952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:43:36 -0600 From: emsquared@kohala.net Subject: beekeeping software Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <876507431.11381@dejanews.com> Reply-To: ukhgkuhg@knlbjkl.jj Organization: Deja News Posting Service To: ukhgkuhg@knlbjkl.jj X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 10 18:17:12 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 206.127.241.36 (pm4-36.ilhawaii.net) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0.1; Mac_PowerPC) X-Authenticated-Sender: emsquared@kohala.net Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9952 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Beekeeping/ http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/bsof.htm http://www.beekeeping.co.nz http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/ There is more. You can even barcode individual bees if you want... Aloha, Mike Moriarty -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 9953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid things to do with a box of bees Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 20:04:46 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <876513886snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> References: <61lpn5$s5v@quagga.ru.ac.za> Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 876513996 7309 joe benburb.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 56 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9953 In article <61lpn5$s5v@quagga.ru.ac.za> username@server.ru.ac.za "Your Name" writes: > This afternoon, a happy wamr day in Sunny El Ninoed South Africa I was > told of a swarm hanging in a tree just down the road. When I got there it [SNIP] Yeah a few years ago I had an interesting experience, but this time the laugh was on the "other foot", or words to that effect: In the garden of my Aunt in the small town of Armagh I had about 20 or so hives. One day I got a call from her saying that a swarm had landed in a neighbour's garden and I should come in and sort them out. When I got there the swarm had gone (probably back into the hive as all my queens are clipped). But the neighbours were very scared. They showed me the point on their garden wall where the bees had landed and plagued me with questions on the likelihood of them coming back. I tried to reassure them as best I could and tried to explain that in swarming condition the bees weren't at all aggressive. To prove it, I volunteered to walk down amongst my own hives (20 remember) wearing nothing but my shorts and tee shirt. They were to watch from a safe distance. My plan had been to perhaps even lift off a lid ! So, off I goes, watched by three young kids and their parents. It was a lovely sunny day, I remember it well. In fact I will never forget it ! I got down in amongst the hives ok (lovely quiet bees I have) and nonchalantly rested my elbow on one. I waved up at the others to show all was well. Then I got stung ! Ah what the hell, only one sting, nothing, I used my nail to scrape it out in the normal way and waved up again. Another sting. Still I kept waving and walking amongst the hive. Then another and another. I kept waving and slowly walking round the hives. What could I do ? And another, and another. This was to be a demonstration of how quiet the bees were ! And another and another. I couldn't run, I couldn't even show any emotion or react in any way - it might have meant removing my bees from my aunt's care. This went on for what seemed like an enternity. I had to stay long enough to "prove" my point and yet avoid fainting ! I lost count how many stings I got. Bloody fool that I was ! Eventually I walked slowly back up towards the houses, waved one last time at the distant other folks, got back in my car and drove home. They are none the wiser :-) The hives stayed where they were. -- joe mc cool remove ns from signature The more you say the less the better. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joens@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 9954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Effects of Under-Usage of Antibiotics Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:39:05 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 93 Message-ID: <343EBC99.15E1EB05@valley.net> References: <19971010174701.NAA18542@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-103.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9954 MiksaHF wrote: > Surprise,,,surprise, surprise > > Some of us not! > > tetracycline study the effects of under dosage of bacteria, to attempt to > develop a population of resistant family,,,,,,, > > Conclusions of under dosage treatments: > IT DID NOT work. When treatment was resumed at recommended dosage efficacy > resumed. > > check it out at www.sidwell.edu/~bgravitz/bio/bio.html greetings, in a previous life i worked in the laboratory of a bacterial fermentation facility, and spent a lot of time developing and testing various bacteria for things like antibiotic production, antibiotic resistance and general robustness. i also have a masters degree in microbiology and wrote my thesis on the development of resistance among various microorganisms. [the title, since you asked, was 'the effects of heavy metals, organometals and metalloid compounds on enzyme activity and microbial methods of detoxification.']. i checked out the website and the experiment you cited and would like to point out a few things. first, it was a single experiment, done on a single population of bacteria, using a single antibiotic. no corroborating studies were done to confirm the results of the experiment. second, the authors themselves detailed several flaws in their methodology. among other things, the experiment was not done in a sterile environment, they contaminated some of the equipment, the environment was not stable [temperature], they varied the dosage of the antibiotic among the study groups, they did not measure the population of the bacteria tested, their techniques were inconsistent, and they allowed the control group of bacteria to grow for a longer period of time than the test groups. third, the authors also admitted that the population might have been too small, and the test period too short, to allow for a genetic variant with resistance to tetracycline to develop to the point where it could make a measurable difference in the results. fourth, the authors also postulate several other theories for the results seen, besides lack of development of antibiotic resistance in the test population. fifth, the authors cite other studies [done with penicillin] that have confirmed the development of antibiotic resistant bacteria through underdosing with antibiotics. in summary, the experiment was poorly designed, poorly executed and not confirmed by additional experiments. their cause was noble, and i applaud their efforts, but they failed to execute properly. it is critical in any scientific endeavor to ensure that as many variables as possible are controlled. it is just as critical that the results from any experiment be reproducible. their results open the POSSIBILITY that, under very limited conditions [namely, not giving the bacteria enough time to grow and differentiate] antibiotic resistance might not develop from underdosing with antibiotics. but, there is a wealth of hard evidence, from both the laboratory and 'real life', that the latter is, indeed, a reality. the sad truth is that, even at 'normal' doses, antibiotic resistance still develops. the most recent example of this being the staph strain that is now resistant to vancomycin, the so-called, 'silver bullet' of antibiotic treatment. the development of antibiotic resistant bacteria is one of the best examples of darwin's theory of survival of the fittest. if it were not for the continual development of new antibiotics and the use of multiple antibiotics, either in combination or rotation, then many, many more people would die from bacterial infections every year. finally, bacteria and antibiotic resistance = mites and miticide resistance. what does this mean for beekeepers? if you're going to use a chemical to kill an organism, then follow the directions on the label, until something better comes along. btw, that applies to one's personal life, as well. if the doc gives you a prescription for an antibiotic, be sure to take the full dosage for the prescribed time. if you don't, then maybe you'll be lucky and not have enough resistant 'bugs' in your system to make a difference. but, if you're not lucky, you will get to experience, first hand, darwin's theory in action. i hope this puts things in perspective, and i apologize if it came off as preachy. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Effects of Under-Usage of Antibiotics Date: 11 Oct 1997 01:53:26 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <19971011015300.VAA02550@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <343EBC99.15E1EB05@valley.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9955 Auh,,,BUT THEY WERE ALSO scientist's your right? their right? or all ya wrong? Article 9956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble bees Date: 11 Oct 1997 06:48:16 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <19971011064801.CAA19060@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bcd594$c1a7b180$810bd8cc@default> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9956 From: "J. Wes Lee" >I am looking for any information on raising/maintaining bumble bees for >pollination. With a special interest in greenhouse pollination. Can >anyone get me started in the right direction? > Check our web page, under "Alternative Pollinators." for info on raising Bombus. We expect to be adding more material in the not too distant future. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Practical Pollination Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 9958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Effects of Under-Usage of Antibiotics Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:32:12 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 79 Message-ID: <343F71CB.11B1118A@valley.net> References: <343EBC99.15E1EB05@valley.net> <19971011015300.VAA02550@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-116.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9958 MiksaHF wrote: > Auh,,,BUT THEY WERE ALSO scientist's > > your right? their right? or all ya wrong? as i said, it is possible that they are right, but by their own admission, their experiment was seriously flawed. they highlighted several changes that they would make to the design of the experiment, were they to repeat it. also, as they cited in their references, and mentioned in their summary, it has been shown in other, carefully controlled experiments that development of antibiotic resistance does happen. it is a growing problem for the medical profession, who face the reality of it every day. one of the biggest problems these days, which has received extensive coverage in the journal of the american medical association, is the spread of a strain of tuberculosis that is resistant, not to one, but to several drugs. tb used to be cured by one drug. now, it requires a 'cocktail' of at least 4 drugs, taken over many months, to effect a complete cure. this multi-drug resistance doesn't get much, if any, news coverage, probably due to the panic potential, but it is becoming a major problem in inner cities, where treatment and patient follow-up are incomplete. how serious? to the point where various local and state governments are forcing mandatory lock-up, usually against their will, of individuals, who test positive for tb and who are considered unreliable to follow the treatment regimen. this restriction of freedom, not for violation of any laws, but because of the risk of the spread of disease, is only until they complete a treatment program, but does highlight the seriousness of the situation. as an example, doing a search for 'tuberculosis' and 'multi-drug resistance' got me 137 hits with alta vista. here' a clip from an article by the Pan American Health Organization: "Of TB cases that are registered and initiate treatment, PAHO estimates that less than 70% are being treated to cure in Latin America and the Caribbean, which leaves the door open for further deaths and spread of this dreaded disease. Recommended treatment regimens take six to eight months using at least three, but preferably four, drugs during the initial two months, and two drugs for the subsequent months. Some TB patients may self-medicate or seek treatment from private providers, although treatment is free in the public sector. Improper or incomplete treatment can lead directly to the spread of multi-drug resistant TB strains, to incurable disease and/or death. Several practices known to contribute to the selection and spread of drug-resistant strains are present in the Americas: many patients are not observed taking their medication, despite norms to the contrary; patients stop taking the drugs when they begin to feel better; drug shortages mean that patients go without or get treated, perilously, with only one drug; patient progress in treatment may not be monitored by use of sputum examinations, so some patients may be believed cured when they are not; previously-treated patients who may have drug-resistant disease are given inadequate treatment regimens; and anti-tuberculosis drugs are sold without prescriptions in pharmacies in many countries." just wanted to show that underdosing can be fatal for humans. by extrapolation, i believe it's a safe bet that it can be fatal for bees, too. it is not hype. it is not a plot on the part of drug manufacturers to get the public to use more drugs. it is reality. btw, while i take your comment that i am a scientist as a high compliment, i am far from one these days, as i spend most of my time these days in front of a desk, playing with papers and my computer. ahhh for the old days. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobstjohn@aol.com (Bobstjohn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid things to do with a box of bees Date: 11 Oct 1997 17:25:39 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <19971011172501.NAA17553@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <61lpn5$s5v@quagga.ru.ac.za> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9959 >Anyhow, if those were true African Honey bees he would have been dead!!!! I have two comments on the episode in south Africa. 1. The African bees in the western hemisphere are called Africanized and they were changed in Brazil 40 years ago by selective breeding. They are not African bees. 2. The real African bees that I worked with in Ethiopia were as gentle as any bees in the world while swarming. I caught many swarms and scraped them in boxes with my bare hands and I don't believe I ever was stung. After a few days some of these hives would attack anyone coming near. Many U.S. beekeepers realized many years ago that should have been importing scutalata to prepare for the invasion of Brazilian Africanizd bees but too many peole were afraid of anything African. Fortunately they haven't flown the 2000 miles to get her in Hawaii. But neither have the mites. Bob St. John_Puna Bed & Breakfast_Rural Puna south of Hilo Article 9960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:38:54 -0600 From: emsquared@kohala.net Subject: uncapping machines Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <876589400.6595@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 11 17:03:20 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 206.127.241.53 (pm4-53.ilhawaii.net) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0.1; Mac_PowerPC) X-Authenticated-Sender: emsquared@kohala.net Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9960 Does anyone have any experience with a variety of uncapping machines? Which are the best? Are some bad/good? How well do the companies service their products? Recommendations for operation of 300-500 hives...? I will be building up and am looking ahead to try to make sensible decisions. Help would be appreciated. aloha, Mike Moriarty -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 9961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!news.onramp.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: Jim Owen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Texas Beekeeping Association?? Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:20:58 -0500 Organization: Owen Enterprises Lines: 6 Message-ID: <807BFDCF410F061E.6B33C5DAF066AC76.A025295F27231D85@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <343FD19A.3D4D@websurfer.net> NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Oct 11 14:21:11 1997 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.44.56.226 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9961 I heard a rumor there is a beekeeping conference (Trade Show?) happening in the Dallas area in the near future (October?). Does anybody have info? Date? Place? Contact phone #? Later, Jim Owen Article 9962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tbachus Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Diminishing Bee Populations: Myth of Fact? Date: 11 Oct 1997 19:10:17 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <61oiup$qg0$1@usenet88.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 27136@205.216.79.146 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9962 this may lead somewhere...visit the newsworks website: http://www.newsworks.com and search the keyword: honeybees check out various news media articles online. Article 9963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Texas Beekeeping Association?? Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:58:38 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <344000f7.25508095@news.earthlink.net> References: <807BFDCF410F061E.6B33C5DAF066AC76.A025295F27231D85@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.199.84 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9963 Jim Owen wrote: >I heard a rumor there is a beekeeping conference (Trade Show?) happening >in the Dallas area in the near future (October?). Does anybody have >info? Date? Place? Contact phone #? > >Later, >Jim Owen Jim, The Texas Beekeepers Association annual convention will be held at the Harvey Hotel in Plano, Texas (just north of Dallas) on Thurs-Sun, November 6-9. Not sure who the "official" contact is, but one good contact is Jimmie Oakley, (512) 388-3630. The program includes: Talks on mites, formic acid gel, africanized bees, moving colonies, honey prices & marketing. Reports from the American Honey Producers, American Beekeeping Federation, and National Honey Board. Honey, wax and photo contests. Plenty of good hall talk, lunches, dinners, etc.! Typically, some bee suppliers hawk their wares at the convention, too. I'm looking forward to it! Regards, John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 9964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: glibbee@aol.com (GlibBEE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honeybee clip art Date: 12 Oct 1997 03:29:24 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19971012032901.XAA04398@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9964 Would someone have a clip art of a Honeybee that I could put on a business card ?Thank You, Garry Libby Boston,MA USA GlibBEE@aol.com Article 9965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news From: Thom Bradley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Formic Acid Concerns Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 08:58:01 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3440C959.3577@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nor-va2-17.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Oct 12 7:57:33 AM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9965 Good Day all, The Virginia State Beekeepers Assoc. met at their fall meeting yesterday (11 Oct.) in South Boston, VA. Much happened, however of grave importance was research done by Dr. Rick Fell and Keith Tignor,et al. at VA Tech. Quantitative results are not completed and the project itself is not complete. They have been performing tests to detect the effects of formic acid on honeybees themselves. The initial and very striking results seem to show that formic acid has a very strong effect on increased brood mortality and marked decrease in queen egg laying. Dr. Fell's findings parallel those done by another research staff in Asia performed with APIS CERANNA. (I'm sorry I can't find the abstract right now.) It kills the mites but is the cure better than the disease? We don't know. This has been some of the work that I am looking for. Dr. Armine has also been doing very interesting research at WVU, but how does the oils effect the bees? By the way is there any good informtion on the effect of fluvinate (Apistan) on the honeybees. This information would be very good for comparative study. I can't believe that any insecticide would have no effect on bees. Article 9966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34412DED.2FA6@accessatlanta.com> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 13:07:09 -0700 From: don@accessatlanta.com Reply-To: don@accessatlanta.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid things to do with a box of bees References: <61lpn5$s5v@quagga.ru.ac.za> <19971011172501.NAA17553@ladder01.news.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.77.111 Lines: 26 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.248!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!166.72.77.111 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9966 Bobstjohn wrote: > > >Anyhow, if those were true African Honey bees he would have been dead!!!! > > I have two comments on the episode in south Africa. > > 1. The African bees in the western hemisphere are called Africanized and they > were changed in Brazil 40 years ago by selective breeding. They are not > African bees. > > 2. The real African bees that I worked with in Ethiopia were as gentle as any > bees in the world while swarming. I caught many swarms and scraped them in > boxes with my bare hands and I don't believe I ever was stung. After a few > days some of these hives would attack anyone coming near. Many U.S. beekeepers > realized many years ago that should have been importing scutalata to prepare > for the invasion of Brazilian Africanizd bees but too many peole were afraid > of anything African. Fortunately they haven't flown the 2000 miles to get her > in Hawaii. But neither have the mites. > Bob St. John_Puna Bed & Breakfast_Rural Puna south of Hilo what is this scutalata that you mentioned, never heard of it. Are the bees that you worked with in Ethiopia meaner than Italians how would you rate them for aggressiveness? Don Article 9967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobstjohn@aol.com (Bobstjohn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid things to do with a box of bees Date: 12 Oct 1997 18:26:08 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19971012182600.OAA20352@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34412DED.2FA6@accessatlanta.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9967 > Are the bees that you worked with in Ethiopia meaner than Italians how would you rate them for aggressiveness? Most of the bees in Ethiopia were considerably more defensive than the Italians we like in the U.S. but there were some who were not too bad. I had a hive at the Jimma Ag. Institute that I could use to show the studentsthe queen and the brood and don't believe any ever got stung although they didn't wear any protection. In Ethiopia I found small African bees and larger European bees of various colors. I don't know if they interbred but they seemed to all fall into one of two categories as determined by the side of the cells in the comb. Bob St. John_Puna Bed & Breakfast_Rural Puna south of Hilo Article 9968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vikeseye@aol.com (Vikes Eye) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Hives Date: 12 Oct 1997 23:46:10 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19971012234600.TAA22465@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9968 If anybody can give me this information it would be helpful to answer my 4 year olds questions. The question that I have not been able to answer is...."Daddy, how are bee hives made and what do the bees use to make their homes. We had a bee hive in our yard and it really peaked his interest. If you could send your answer via E-Mail to.... VIKES EYE@AOL.com Thank you in advance Article 9969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!news.enter.net!usenet From: bedwarm@SPAMBLOCK.geocities.com (Bobby Tendinitis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: do you want my bees? Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 01:27:15 GMT Organization: Whose hologram embraces a flat pigeon Lines: 14 Approved: bedwarm@geocities.com Message-ID: <344178e4.9027692@news.enter.net> References: <3436E155.4AF7@spamfree.not> <19971008052700.BAA24997@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: bedwarm@mail.dotcom.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: m40nris-1-13.enter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9969 I attribute the following post to luke49133@aol.com (Luke49133): >Why the hell would I want your bees? Who *wouldn't* want some bees? Bobby Tendinitis **bedwarm(at)mail.dotcom.fr** http://queeg.resnet.wisc.edu/bedwarm ----------------------------------------------- "You tryin' to tell me that rolls of pasty white fat hanging off a broad's thighs n' mid-section like curdled milk don't make your choad tingle?" - Jonathan Blaque, in -------------------------------------------- Article 9970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!news.enter.net!usenet From: bedwarm@SPAMBLOCK.geocities.com (Bobby Tendinitis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Software for Beekeeping Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 01:32:33 GMT Organization: Whose hologram embraces a flat pigeon Lines: 15 Approved: bedwarm@geocities.com Message-ID: <344179f0.9295397@news.enter.net> References: <61ku5k$1q9@news.kom.tuwien.ac.at> Reply-To: bedwarm@mail.dotcom.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: m40nris-1-13.enter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9970 I attribute the following post to ukhgkuhg@knlbjkl.jj (Jhon Bee Good): >Is there any software for beekeeping ? Could you be more specific? What style of program are you looking for (ie what do you need a program to do)? Bobby Tendinitis **bedwarm(at)mail.dotcom.fr** http://queeg.resnet.wisc.edu/bedwarm ----------------------------------------------- "You tryin' to tell me that rolls of pasty white fat hanging off a broad's thighs n' mid-section like curdled milk don't make your choad tingle?" - Jonathan Blaque, in -------------------------------------------- Article 9971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Press Date: 13 Oct 1997 02:26:10 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bcd77f$010ed920$d816410c@200137229worldnet.att.net> References: <19971008052600.BAA24961@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.22.216 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9971 In a book called "Keeping Bees" by John Vivian. There is a plan and description of how to make a Foundation Press. Starting on page 131. Pete Luke49133 wrote in article <19971008052600.BAA24961@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > Fellow Beekeepers > > I need to get my well-stung paws on a wax press for making wax foundation. If > any of you cats know where I can get a hold of one please email me ASAP. > > Luke49133@aol.com > > Your help in this matter will be so damned appreciated I can't describe it here. > Article 9972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pesticide Bee Damage reported Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:06:00 GMT Message-ID: <9710121939442707@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <33746984.3F08@worldnet.att.net> <01bc5af9$0d98b740$5c04c010@Ballabio.mln.dec.c Lines: 57 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9972 http://www.gopbi.com/yourmoney/poststories/bees101097.htm Encephalitis battle's accidental victims: Beekeepers' colonies By Michael Utley Palm Beach Post Staff Writer The fight against mosquito-borne encephalitis is claiming the bee as an unintended casualty, according to local beekeepers who fault the insecticide sprayed. "It kills a bee the same way it kills a mosquito," Leonard Fultz, president of the Palm Beach County Beekeepers Association, said Thursday. Bees are crucial to fruit and vegetable farming because they pollinate the crops. "Not only are they important to the product, but they're important to everyone who consumes the product," Fultz added. He has about 350 beehives in citrus groves throughout the county. Fultz said he hasn't lost any of his bees yet, but others have complained a bout millions of bees lost, mostly in Indian River County where about 10 beekee pers say they've been affected by aerial spraying there. Locally, beekeeper James Mendenhall says he lost 150 beehives last week in Martin County. But county officials say they haven't done any aerial spraying there since early September and they'd be surprised if it was their insecticide that killed Mendenhall's bees. "Well, I'm pretty darn sure it was the mosquito spraying," countered Menden hall, who claims more than one million of his bees were killed. "Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do about." Years ago, Mendenhall recalled, the state would reimburse beekeepers for spraying-related losses, but that program was cut. He estimates it would cost abo ut $10,000 to replace his lost bees. Mendenhall has moved his remaining hives from Martin County to Palm Beach County. Officials are continuing their anti-mosquito spraying in Palm Beach, Martin and St. Lucie counties. But officials say they are trying to accommodate beekeepers and others who don't want their land sprayed. Organic farmers, who grow their crops without the use of synthetic chemicals, are particularly concerned about insecticide spraying. Many of them have pro vided maps of their land to mosquito control officials. "Many (counties) have agreed not to spray the organic farms, and some have even agreed to recognize buffer zones around the farms," said Marty Mesh, head of the Gainesville-based Florida Certified Organic Growers and Consumers Inc. "Anyone who calls us gets punched into our computer" and mosquito control agents are instructed not to spray there, said James David, interim director of the St. Lucie County mosquito control program. However, at least one beekeeper is not comforted by that. "At this point, we don't know how we've been affected by the spraying and, to tell you the truth, I'm afraid to look," said Lamar Hester, general manager of Deland-based Horace Bell Honey Co., which has beehives located throughout So uth Florida. "We're just hoping we don't get totally wiped out." Originally published in The Palm Beach Post on Friday, Oct. 10, 1997. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Honey is sweeter than wine. Spreads on bread better too! Article 9973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Gifts Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:12:00 GMT Message-ID: <9710121939442708@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9973 UNIQUE ONE IN A KIND BEEKEEPERS GIFTS (never offered before) A beekeeping friend of mine invested much money and time in a Honey packing venture with a international conglomerate that did not work out...the story is too long and too sad to present here. But he did have some supplies left over other then a empty bank account, honey jars and labels. Because of the unique nature of them and the fact all beekeepers I know are always looking for something different to have and give as bee gifts so I have made arrangements to offer them to anyone who is interested, and repay some of his costs and make a few bucks for my efforts. For $20.US +$3.00 postage I will send you a sample and you decide if you want more. The package will contain one (1) POOH CAROUSEL BOOK, a favorite story about Winnie-the Pooh in a fun new format. You open the book and tie back the covers then turn it around to follow Pooh's adventures in five colorful three-dimensional scenes. Then turn the scenes over there you will find the text of the story from WINNIE-THE-POOH by A.A. Milne. This is a first quality pop out book and not available in book stores. Wonderful gift or Christmas stocking stuffer for child or adult. I will also include two (2) hand crafted and panted FAN PULLS, also one of a kind gifts, one is a Skept with bees painted on it, and one is a Honey Pot also hand painted. The wood fan pulls have about a foot of gold chain attached and those of you who know about such things and don't have overhead fans will find other uses for them I am sure. You can use your CC, MC or Visa and contact me via e-mail at: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net or send a check for $23.(US) each to: Andy Nachbaur 1522 Paradise Lane Los Banos, CA 93635 For more then one to any one address the postage will be $3.00. Postage may be higher to off shore address and if you have any questions about shipment to your address please send direct e-mail to me. ttul, the OLD Drone PS. I hope to have some pictures I can send anyone who is interested in a closer look at these gifts, just e-mail me and ask for them and when I get them I will send them to you via email. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Where the bee sucks, there suck I; Article 9974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.60.229.5!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Effects of Under-Usage of Antibiotics Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:47:16 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <34417DA4.4B29@worldnet.att.net> References: <343EBC99.15E1EB05@valley.net> <19971011015300.VAA02550@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 621@205.216.79.82 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9974 MiksaHF wrote: > > Auh,,,BUT THEY WERE ALSO scientist's > > your right? their right? or all ya wrong? checked out the site you posted previously, couldn't find any credible evidence that there were any "scientists" involved... reads more like an undergraduate student research project, perhaps, that found its way on to the "information superhighway"...and hitchhikers beware! (my apologies to the authors if it is otherwise, and kudos on your web page design)---however, the link provided there to another relevant site, http://www.cellsalive.com was worth visiting for its commentary on how "antibiotic use selects for populations of antibiotic resistant pathogens", including a further link to an FDA article on "the rise of antibiotic-resistant infections" in medicine (presumably [more or less] authoritative) and the implications as relates to beekeeping and the recurring reports of supposed terramycin-resistant foulbrood strains in the americas... Article 9975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Ken Lawrence" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Taffy Date: 13 Oct 1997 15:12:39 GMT Organization: Preferred Company Lines: 9 Message-ID: <61tdp7$qhc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.97.88 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9975 Hello For all you people who like TAFFY. If y'all want some VERY GOOD taffy go to Barry's Site and get the recipe. http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/HT.html We have been making this for about 3-4 years and it is the best. I think the amber honey makes the best. I have made it out of light , dark, but draw the line on Buckwheat honey. Very good for a family project. Ken Article 9976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!1-74.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mead recipes Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:35:17 -0400 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 8917@206.103.0.74 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9976 Hello! If you are looking for mead recipes, please visit my site: http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html where you'll find 2 historic mead recipes, plus links to many more mead sites. C. Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/ Article 9978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net.POSTED!ts28-09.vcr.istar.ca!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:41:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ts28-09.vcr.istar.ca Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybee clip art From: billfern@istar.ca (bill fernihough) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) References: <19971012032901.XAA04398@ladder01.news.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 4 Message-ID: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9978 see the recipe for honey toffee that guy has some stuff you can start with. I trust you know how to save files from the net. Article 9979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid things to do with a box of bees Date: 14 Oct 1997 02:53:12 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 109 Message-ID: <01bcd84c$0477b780$7086dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <61lpn5$s5v@quagga.ru.ac.za> <19971011172501.NAA17553@ladder01.news.aol.com> <34412DED.2FA6@accessatlanta.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh8-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Oct 13 9:53:12 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9979 don@accessatlanta.com wrote in article <34412DED.2FA6@accessatlanta.com>... | Bobstjohn wrote: | > | > >Anyhow, if those were true African Honey bees he would have been dead!!!! | > | > I have two comments on the episode in south Africa. | > | > 1. The African bees in the western hemisphere are called Africanized and they | > were changed in Brazil 40 years ago by selective breeding. They are not | > African bees. They were and are Apis mellifera scuttelata - an African race of honeybee INTENTIONALLY imported into Brazil by Dr. Warwick Kerr under direction of the Brazilian government in order to make careful hybrid crosses and improve honey production in the tropics - which latter mentioned part of the experiment did work. They were not very far into the experiment when things went awry and several swarms were lost which HELPED seed the forest with AHB (a number of first cross queens had also been distributed throughout the country - a decided contributing factor) | > | > 2. The real African bees that I worked with in Ethiopia were as gentle as any | > bees in the world while swarming. there are several races in Africa - probably 10 at the minimum and very possibly more including a few we may not yet distinguish as a distinct race - scuttelata does inhabit Ethiopia but were you working with scuttelata there or a different African race? - at least one African race, monticola, is noted for gentleness Apis mellifera scuttelata is GENTLE when swarming even here in the Western Hemisphere - this is normal for Apis mellifera of any race I know of. Does anyone know of any race that is an actual exception to the rule within the species? I caught many swarms and scraped them in | > boxes with my bare hands and I don't believe I ever was stung. As would be expected UNLESS the swarm was dry (out of honey) After a few | > days some of these hives would attack anyone coming near. Perhaps this should tell ya something about temper??? and level of defensive behaivor??? Many U.S. beekeepers | > realized many years ago that should have been importing scutalata to prepare | > for the invasion of Brazilian Africanizd bees but too many peole were afraid | > of anything African. ---- import scuttelata to combat scuttelata???? fighting fire with fire sometimes works but does leave a lot of the landscaped charred in the process - It might be well to note that our dear USDA disallows us to import ANY live bees save from Canada alone. To my knowledge the Canadians ain't messing with scuttelata so precisely how would you propose importing scuttelata? It might be well to note that illegal queen imports rank right up HIGH amongst the suspected reasons for our current plight with the mites - it is likely a contributing factor at the least. Fortunately they haven't flown the 2000 miles to get her | > in Hawaii. ------ they don't have to fly my friend - ships and airplanes do come in and they can hitchhike - a honeybee swarm was found and killed near here one recent winter that came in on palletized goods from Central America - guess what? they have AHB in Central America and up here in the North colonies do NOT swarm in the winter ---- But neither have the mites. --------- and hopefully you will forever be spared the grief the mites bring with them ------------- -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!newsfeed.sovam.com!sovam!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.48.96.123!in1.uu.net!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!news.lexington.ibm.com!mdnews.btv.ibm.com!fox.almaden.ibm.com!bulb.garlic.com!nntp.csuchico.edu!steroid.ecst.csuchico.edu!mdillon From: "Mark D. Hoover" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Seeking Employment Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:19:57 -0700 Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: steroid.ecst.csuchico.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9980 I am currently seeking employment with a commercial beekeeping operation in northern California. If you or somebody you know is looking for help please let me know. I will be graduating for California State University, Chico, in December with a degree in Public Relations. I would like to work with bees full time after I graduate. I have hands on experience with bees and I have been studying beekeeping for the past couple of years. I believe that my degree could be useful to Apiaries seeking greater recognition and press coverage. However, my primary passion and goal is to work with bees. I am skilled in wood and metal working. I have a mind for production work and I am not afraid to work hard. Thank you for your consideration, Mark Hoover (916) 343-1893 Article 9981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!recycled.news.erols.com!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!emphasys.demon.co.uk!emph.com!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Two Great Speakers for a Fiver Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:09:33 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9981 Two superb speakers will make up the programme at this November's Convention of the Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. On Saturday, November 15th, at the Council for the Protection of Rural England's conference centre, Worden Hall, Leyland, Lancashire, the LNWNKA will present a fascinating day for all beekeepers.... Tom Robinson, of York and the International Bee Research Association, on "The History of the Dark European Honeybee : its Identification and Characteristics" and "Practical Queen Raising and Drone Production" PLUS Sydney Hollinshead, of Anderlotti Apiaries, on "Heather Honey Every Year" and "A Journey into Beekeeping with Experiences on the Way" The conference starts at 9.30 and runs till about 4.30. Admission is only 5 pounds (4 pounds for juniors) and includes morning coffee and afternoon tea. There is a small cafe in the associated Worden Hall Arts Centre complex, as well as craft workshops etc. Please mail me - bees@emph.com - for a booking form. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 9982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Glenn Cheney <71762.355@CompuServe.COM> Subject: 8-frame hives? Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736) Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:46:45 -0400 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!149.174.211.138!compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nih2naac Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9982 I inherited a bunch of 8-frame hive bodies and supers. I need tops and bottoms for them. Does anyone know a supplier? Glenn Cheney cheney@compuserve.com -- Glenn Cheney 71762.355@compuserve.com - Hanover Conn. - USA Article 9983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fall Bee Maintanence Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:32:17 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 8 Message-ID: <34437461.7764@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d12.dial-6.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9983 Hi. I live in the NorthEast. What should I do to get my bees ready for winter, other than to take off the shallow supers? When do I need to put in Terramycin patties and Aspitan strips? Is preventive treating for Nosema required? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 9984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!wnfeed!204.127.130.5!worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mead recipes Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:42:43 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3442DC23.4A57@ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca32-05.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Oct 13 7:49:49 PM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9984 renfrow@skylands.net wrote: > > Hello! If you are looking for mead recipes, please visit my site: > http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html > where you'll find 2 historic mead recipes, plus links to many more mead sites. > > C. Renfrow > renfrow@skylands.net > http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/ C. Renfrow: Do you have any specific recipe for what the French call "Hydromel"? Thanks. vivian Article 9985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall Bee Maintanence Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:47:07 -0400 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 195 Message-ID: <3443A20B.8A757EEF@ne.mediaone.net> References: <34437461.7764@ultranet.com> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------632AF0E7A7AD0A39738426BA" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Marc Andelman X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9985 --------------632AF0E7A7AD0A39738426BA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marc, First, know that any info you get for free can be worth just what you paid for it, so I'm going to start by recommending a couple of books written by an entomologist who keeps bees in the western part of Massachusetts. These books are clearly written, filled with factual (not anecdotal) information, and written for the northeast. The more basic book is Beekeeping, A Practical Guide by Richard Bonney and the slightly more advanced (and still very accessible to beginners) book is called Hive Management also by Richard Bonney. They're published by Storey Publications and orderable from most book stores. I can't say enough about these books for beginning beekeepers in the northeast. I also know of several other great beginner & specialized topic beekeeping books if you want to e-mail your request(s). Other ways to get good regional beekeeping info is to join a local beekeeping organization, contact your extension apiculturist (if extension hasn't been wiped out in your area), check with your local college campus -- is there an entomology dept. that maybe teaches a course on honeybees &/or pollinators. The first thing to do, before taking away the supers, is make sure that the colony(s?) have enough honey for winter survival. Assuming that you are wintering in two deep hive bodies, you want the top one to be full and the bottom one to be half to two thirds full. I usually determine this by simply attempting to lift the colony from the handle of the bottom box--120 lbs.. is just outside the limit of what I can lift. If I can lift the colony, they need feed. If your colony(s) are too light, you'll want to consider leaving the supers on the colonies or feeding some of the honey (from your supers-never from sources that you aren't absolutely sure are disease free) or sugar syrup to your bees. Apistan strips in NE Mass. should go into the colonies in early to mid August. To figure out when they should go into colonies where you are, subtract backwards from the average last date of brood being hatched in your immediate area. Here, that would be the end of October to mid-November. The goal is to have a couple of worker brood cycles after applying the Apistan (21 days per brood cycle) and the recommended length of time for Apistan to be in the hive is 45 days = 87 days before the last brood hatches is therefore the best time to put in your Apistan. This way you are wintering very low varroa populations and bees that have likely hatched without varroa deformities or shortened life span due to those nasty varroa vampires. At this late date, I might not bother with terramyacin. Terramyacin is used to combat brood diseases and your colony is about to become broodless. Since it is believed that the adult bees do not ingest or store terramyacin (nor terra-patties, nor grease patties), I think it would be a waste of $$. I'd wait 'til early spring management and use terra-patties or terramyacin + sugar sprinkled on the top bars (* never mix terramyacin with water). I would put grease patties into your hive(s) because (as Dr. Diana Sammataro's research has shown), these can help greatly reduce the populations of both mites in your colony(s). Many beekeepers leave grease patties in their hives all winter but I don't because I wonder if the patty interferes with the cluster's ability to move &/or conducts the cold and becomes something else for the bees to spend(waste) energy keeping warm when it is in the midst of their cluster. Anyone else have experience?theories? Also, I would definitely treat for nosema here in the northeast. Because tracheal mites are more of a problem for bees in northern climates, and there seems to be an association between tracheal mites and nosema (does anyone know--is it just additional stress on the bees or do the mites carry nosema--has it been studied?idon'tremember) and because bees can sometimes have no warm enough weather to take cleansing flights for weeks up here, feed them the fumidil-b. It's administered in sugar syrup so it is stored in the colony. I will frequently take a less full honey frame from the bottom box and put it in the top box just before giving them fumidil-b, maybe I'm fooling myself but maybe this gets the bees to store (at least some of) the fumidil in a place that they're more likely to be clustered in February/March. Good Luck Marc, Kathy Marc Andelman wrote: > Hi. I live in the NorthEast. What should I do to get my > bees ready for winter, other than to take off the shallow > supers? When do I need to put in Terramycin patties and > Aspitan strips? Is preventive > treating for Nosema required? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman --------------632AF0E7A7AD0A39738426BA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marc,

First, know that any info you get for free can be worth just what you paid for it, so I'm going to start by recommending a couple of books written by an entomologist who keeps bees in the western part of Massachusetts.  These books are clearly written, filled with factual (not anecdotal) information, and written for the northeast. The more basic book is Beekeeping, A Practical Guide by Richard Bonney and the slightly more advanced (and still very accessible to beginners) book is called Hive Management also by Richard Bonney.  They're published by Storey Publications and orderable from most book stores. I can't say enough about these books for beginning beekeepers in the northeast. I also know of several other great beginner & specialized topic beekeeping books if you want to e-mail  your request(s).

Other ways to get good regional beekeeping info is to join a local beekeeping organization, contact your extension apiculturist (if extension hasn't been wiped out in your area), check with your local college campus -- is there an entomology dept. that maybe teaches a course on honeybees &/or  pollinators.

The first thing to do, before taking away the supers,  is make sure that the colony(s?) have enough honey for winter survival. Assuming that you are wintering in two deep hive bodies, you want the top one to be full  and the bottom one to be half  to two thirds full.  I usually determine this by simply attempting to lift the colony from the handle of the bottom box--120 lbs.. is just outside the limit of what I can lift. If I can lift the colony, they need feed.  If your colony(s) are too light, you'll want to consider leaving the supers on the colonies or feeding some of the honey (from your supers-never from sources that you aren't absolutely sure are disease free) or sugar syrup to your bees.

Apistan strips in NE Mass. should go into the colonies in early to mid August.  To figure out when they should go into colonies where you are, subtract backwards from the average last date of brood being hatched in your immediate area. Here, that would be the end of October to mid-November. The goal is to have a couple of  worker brood cycles after applying the Apistan (21 days per brood cycle) and the recommended length of time for Apistan to be in the hive is 45 days = 87 days before the last brood hatches is therefore the best time to put in your Apistan.  This way you are wintering very low varroa populations and bees that have likely hatched without varroa deformities or shortened life span due to those nasty varroa vampires.

At this late date, I might not bother with terramyacin. Terramyacin is used to combat brood diseases and your colony is about to become broodless. Since it is believed that the adult bees do not ingest or store terramyacin (nor terra-patties, nor grease patties), I think it would be a waste of $$.  I'd wait 'til early spring management and use terra-patties or terramyacin + sugar sprinkled on the top bars (* never mix terramyacin with water).

I would put grease patties into your hive(s) because (as Dr. Diana Sammataro's research has shown), these can help greatly reduce the populations of both mites in your colony(s).  Many beekeepers leave grease patties in their hives all winter but I don't because I wonder if the patty interferes with the cluster's ability to move &/or conducts the cold and becomes something else for the bees to spend(waste) energy keeping warm when it is in the midst of their cluster.  Anyone else have experience?theories?

Also, I would definitely treat for nosema here in the northeast. Because tracheal mites are more of a problem for bees in northern climates, and there seems to be an association between tracheal mites and nosema (does anyone know--is it just additional stress on the bees or do the mites carry nosema--has it been studied?idon'tremember) and because bees can sometimes have no warm enough weather to take cleansing flights for weeks up here, feed them the fumidil-b.  It's administered in sugar syrup so it is stored in the colony.  I will frequently take a less full honey frame from the bottom box and put it in the top box just before giving them fumidil-b, maybe I'm fooling myself but maybe this gets the bees to store (at least some of) the fumidil in a place that they're more likely to be clustered in February/March.

Good Luck Marc,
Kathy
 
 

Marc Andelman wrote:

Hi. I live in the NorthEast.  What should I do to get my
bees ready for winter, other than to take off the shallow
supers?  When do I need to put in Terramycin patties and
Aspitan strips?  Is preventive
treating for Nosema required?

Regards,
Marc Andelman

   --------------632AF0E7A7AD0A39738426BA-- Article 9987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.59.190.100!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.metronet.de!news.metronet.de!not-for-mail From: "jobec" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: auch in deutsch ? Date: 14 Oct 1997 18:54:48 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bcd8db$30c3b160$1366a8c0@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: duesseldorf2.pop.metronet.de X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1160 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9987 gibt es eine solche Newsgroup auch in deutsch/Deutschland/Schweiz/Österreich ? -- Article 9988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.43.3.4!gryphon.phoenix.net!uhura1.phoenix.net!not-for-mail From: Jim Erwin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: creamed honey? Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:13:33 -0700 Organization: Charter Communications International, Inc. Lines: 2 Message-ID: <344426CC.6CFF@phoenix.net> Reply-To: gerwin@phoenix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dial71.galv.phoenix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9988 Could anyone please describe how to make "creamed honey"? Article 9989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sept Honey Prices Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:16:00 GMT Message-ID: <9710141742362713@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 41 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9989 Some SEPT 1997 Honey prices as reported in the NATIONAL HONEY MARKET NEWS and other sources for 1997 crop Honey.. __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Some selected US HONEY Prices for 1997 crop honey. | | | | IMPORTS JULY 1997 totals 48.2 million kilograms | | EXPORTS 2.1 million kilograms | | CANADA -SASKATCHEWAN | : Clover 71.5 white : | ARGENTINA | | Clover 72.5-75 E/Coast white | | mixed flower 68-72 W/Coast light amber | | MEXICO Mixed 68 W/Coast light amber | | Texas Tallow 64 light amber | | Louisiana Tallow 65 light amber | | NORTH DAKOTA | | Clover 70-76 white | | CALIFORNIA | | Sage 70 white | | Mixed Buckwheat 60 ex lt amber | | Wild Flowers 63-65 ex lt amber - amber | | MONTANA Clover 70-88 white | | S. DAKOTA Clover 70-74 white : | WASHINGTON Clover 75 white | | Alfalfa 65 ex lt amber | | Mint 63 amber | | WYOMING Clover 70 white | | WISCONSIN Clover 74-84 white | |____________________________________________________________| \ The market continues even to up new crop size not known / \ expected to be less then 1996. Imports over 100.000.000 lbs \------------------------------------------------------/ (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://suebee.com (Looking Better Everyday) Article 9990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!1-62.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mead recipes Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:58:06 -0400 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3442DC23.4A57@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 29104@206.103.0.72 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9990 In article <3442DC23.4A57@ix.netcom.com>, miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: > renfrow@skylands.net wrote: > > > > Hello! If you are looking for mead recipes, please visit my site: > > http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html > > where you'll find 2 historic mead recipes, plus links to many more mead sites. > > > > C. Renfrow > > renfrow@skylands.net > > http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/ > > C. Renfrow: Do you have any specific recipe for what the French call > "Hydromel"? > > Thanks. vivian Certainly. In fact, I've written a book entitled "A Sip Through Time", which contains, among other things, over 100 historic mead/hydromel/metheglin recipes. # 25 HYDROMEL AS I MADE IT WEAK FOR THE QUEEN MOTHER ­ 1669 Take 18 quarts of spring-water, and one quart of honey; when the water is warm, put the honey into it. When it boileth up, skim it very well, and continue skimming it, as long as any scum will rise. Then put in one Race of Ginger (sliced in thin slices,) four Cloves, and a little sprig of green Rosemary. Let these boil in the Liquor so long, till in all it have boiled one hour. Then set it to cool, till it be blood-warm; and then put to it a spoonful of Ale-yest. When it is worked up, put it into a vessel of a fit size; and after two or three days, bottle it up. You may drink it after six weeks, or two moneths. Thus was the Hydromel made that I gave the Queen, which was exceedingly liked by everybody. (From The Closet of Sir Kenelme Digby, Opened, 1669.) Cindy Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/ Article 9991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall Bee Maintanence Date: 15 Oct 1997 02:18:05 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 61 Message-ID: <01bcd910$44636500$9786dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <34437461.7764@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh9-23.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Oct 14 9:18:05 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9991 Marc Andelman wrote in article <34437461.7764@ultranet.com>... | Hi. I live in the NorthEast. What should I do to get my | bees ready for winter, under prevailing conditions in MI you would be in trouble by now trying to get bees ready for this winter - I talked to a commercial beekeeper in Western MI yesterday that reported whole yards dwindled done to one or one and a half frames of bees per colony already - HEAVY mite loads - they are essentially dead already though they still have some bees left because they are plumb out of time to repair the damage - here in my operation the bees are looking very good - but some migratory folks that have already headed to FL are finding the same trouble with too low of population to split upon arrival as per their plans | other than to take off the shallow | supers? perhaps it is different there but you might want to take a gander at my "Treatment Timing Tips" page - if it seems of value you may also want to print off a copy as my ISP will likely change soon and thus my site will be gone at least for a while |When do I need to put in Terramycin patties and | Aspitan strips? both should be put in immediately upon removal of the honey supers loaded with honey destined for human consumption - the trick is getting the treatment done BEFORE the mites have already damaged the winter bees so badly that the colony will crash later irregardless of what you do in "too late" fashion - refer to "Treatment Timing Tips" on my web site | Is preventive | treating for Nosema required? As Dr. Hoopingarner puts it "Nosema is the silent killer" - in the North it is a good plan to treat for it . In the Fall you have to feed syrup medicated with Fumidil-B but in the Spring you can either feed syrup OR mix the Fumidil-B in with Powdered Sugar and dust them with it and get good results. BUT the powdered sugar thing don't work in the Fall - only in the Spring. Yes you can also mix the Terramycin in with the powdered sugar and kill two stones with one bird in the Spring. (what do ya mean ya can't kill stones with birds?? ;-) -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!news.graphics.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!test181.tc.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: auch in deutsch ? Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:26:24 -0500 Organization: slainte mhath Lines: 11 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <01bcd8db$30c3b160$1366a8c0@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: test181.tc.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9992 das wuerde mich auch interessieren... jwg6@cornell.edu In article <01bcd8db$30c3b160$1366a8c0@default>, "jobec" wrote: > gibt es eine solche Newsgroup auch in > deutsch/Deutschland/Schweiz/Österreich ? > -- Article 9993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 8-frame hives? Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:11:49 GMT Message-ID: <3444bc48.3836262@news.netside.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.150.160.45 Lines: 6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!serv.hinet.net!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.direct.ca!iagnet.net!news-xfer.siscom.net!newsfeed.kcdata.com!news5.kcdata.com!208.150.160.45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9993 Have you checked to see if the outer dimensions of the bodies are the same as a standard 10 frame hive? I use standard bodies, with 9 or 10 frames, depending on what I'm doing. You may find standard tops and bottoms fit. -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 9994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.microtec.net!news3.sprint-canada.net!wolf.interlynx.net!not-for-mail From: wbell@innovus.com (Bill Bell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Southern Ontario formic acid sources Date: 15 Oct 1997 16:07:10 GMT Organization: INNOVUS Research Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <622pne$79$1@wolf.interlynx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port11.hm.interlynx.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9994 What is the typical price for formic acid in southern Ontario? Are there any sources that offer particularly good prices? Would you please provide details. If you can, please copy your posting to me as e-mail. Thanks in advance. Article 9995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Richard Simon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: monitoring mites Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:27:12 +0000 Organization: AT&T Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6231nn$aud@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.100.22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9995 Greetings. I am a novice beekeeper with three hives. I would like to detect and monitor both tracheal and varroa mite activity in my hives. Can anyone describe a scientifically rigorous method for doing this? For example, how do the various research labs, breeders, and others perform this task while attempting to develop and verify anti-mite medications and mite-resistant bees. Thanks for any information. RLS Milton, MA, USA Article 9996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in4.uu.net!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!sjnews.sanjose.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!heaven.pok.ibm.com!hempel From: hempel@heaven.pok.ibm.com (Bruce Hempel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sept Honey Prices Date: 15 Oct 1997 18:35:35 GMT Organization: IBM Corporation, Poughkeepsie, New York Lines: 57 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6232dn$16v9$1@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> References: <9710141742362713@beenet.com> Reply-To: hempel@vnet.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: heaven.pok.ibm.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9996 Andy, How does one interpret the prices listed in your table? For example, 71.5 for clover honey: 71.5 cents per pound? per kilo? Not sure, and I don't want to make a wrong assumption. Bruce Hempel In article <9710141742362713@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: |> Some SEPT 1997 Honey prices as reported in the NATIONAL HONEY |> MARKET NEWS and other sources for 1997 crop Honey.. |> __________________________________________________________ |> (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) |> (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) |> /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ |> | Some selected US HONEY Prices for 1997 crop honey. | |> | | |> | IMPORTS JULY 1997 totals 48.2 million kilograms | |> | EXPORTS 2.1 million kilograms | |> | CANADA -SASKATCHEWAN | |> : Clover 71.5 white : |> | ARGENTINA | |> | Clover 72.5-75 E/Coast white | |> | mixed flower 68-72 W/Coast light amber | |> | MEXICO Mixed 68 W/Coast light amber | |> | Texas Tallow 64 light amber | |> | Louisiana Tallow 65 light amber | |> | NORTH DAKOTA | |> | Clover 70-76 white | |> | CALIFORNIA | |> | Sage 70 white | |> | Mixed Buckwheat 60 ex lt amber | |> | Wild Flowers 63-65 ex lt amber - amber | |> | MONTANA Clover 70-88 white | |> | S. DAKOTA Clover 70-74 white : |> | WASHINGTON Clover 75 white | |> | Alfalfa 65 ex lt amber | |> | Mint 63 amber | |> | WYOMING Clover 70 white | |> | WISCONSIN Clover 74-84 white | |> |____________________________________________________________| |> \ The market continues even to up new crop size not known / |> \ expected to be less then 1996. Imports over 100.000.000 lbs |> \------------------------------------------------------/ |> |> (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document |> in any form, or to print for any use. |> (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. |> --- |> þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://suebee.com (Looking Better Everyday) -- *---------------------------------------------------* Bruce Hempel | Sin ravages the soul like cancer does the body; | | fortunately, there is a cure available. | *---------------------------------------------------* Article 9997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!mr.net!news.eden.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!joseph From: joseph@ralplw17.raleigh.ibm.com (Joe Hindsley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Effects of Under-Usage of Antibiotics Date: 15 Oct 1997 12:53:53 GMT Organization: ISSC South Region, RTP, NC Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <19971010174701.NAA18542@ladder01.news.aol.com> <343EBC99.15E1EB05@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ralplw17.raleigh.ibm.com X-Trace: rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com 876920033 33662 (None) 9.37.97.2 X-Complaints-To: news@rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.2 UNIX) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9997 On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:39:05 -0400, bill greenrose wrote: >antibiotic treatment. the development of antibiotic resistant bacteria is one >of the best examples of darwin's theory of survival of the fittest. if it were >what does this mean for beekeepers? if you're going to use a chemical to kill >an organism, then follow the directions on the label, until something better >comes along. btw, that applies to one's personal life, as well. if the doc >gives you a prescription for an antibiotic, be sure to take the full dosage for >the prescribed time. if you don't, then maybe you'll be lucky and not have >enough resistant 'bugs' in your system to make a difference. but, if you're not >lucky, you will get to experience, first hand, darwin's theory in action. Sorry but I'm in a quibbling mood. I agree with everything you've written here execpt your statments of Darwin's theory. Darwin tried to show that the diversity of life is a result of the adaptations creatures make to their environment. For example, you have a species of fish that eats wigglers. There are wigglers that float on the surface of the lake and wigglers in the lake's mud. Over time these fish diversify by developing better techniques for aquiring either one of the wigglers. Bottom wiggler eaters develop whiskers to help find the food and floating wiggler eaters develop a larger mouth to scoop up more of them. Because of the long period of time a change like this takes to occur, it is impossible to apply "survival of the fittest". The fish meerly make adaptations that suit their environment. It is easy to misstate Darwin's theory as "survival of the fittest" since most noticable changes in species occur around a change in the environment. In those cases, the population of the species that is already adapted to the change will survive. But diversification (evolution) begins again in the new environment with this 'fresh' stock. -- Joe H. Article 9998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!herald.Mines.EDU!not-for-mail From: Brian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: seeking help with bee strain selection Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:18:24 -0600 Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 51 Message-ID: <34454130.9A5378CF@mines.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: metsb.mines.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9998 Greetings: Having read this newsgroup for some time now, I am wondering if some of the wise sages on this list might be able to help me out with a few suggestions as to selecting a particular species of bee which might be the best adapted to the region I am currently in. The area in question is an old gold mining claim in the Colorado mountains, USA, located between Idaho Springs and Central City, Colorado, at 9700 feet. The altitude and the latitude combine to make the winters long and the summers short. Even during the height of the summer the night time temperature often falls into the low fifties Farenheit. There are no large concentrated nectar sources such as might be the case in more agriculture areas, but there is a good variety of wildflowers available from early spring through late summer, although the density if these sources is not high. There appear to be no mite problems yet in the area, although I have seen what I presume to have been feral honeybees in the national forest within 4-5 miles of the site. I have kept two hives of Italians at the site for the last two years, and have not been able to harvest any appreciable amounts of honey either year. Last year I started the hives from 3lb packages, and I not totally unexpectedly had to feed both hives beginning late winter, approximately 20 lbs sugar each, although they may have gotten by with less. This year one hive at least made enough stores it should get through the winter unaided, but the other hive is going into winter with at most a half of a shallow super and will either have to be united with the strong hive, killed outright, let die, or fed heavily. Right now I am leaning toward feeding heavily and trying to get the hive through the winter, to be re-queened in the spring. I know this is probably not cost effective compared to simply starting anew with a package in the spring, but as I mentioned earlier, the area is for now apparently mite free and I would rather re-queen than import packages because of the higher possiblity of importing mites with the packages. So, given that background, if anyone can suggest a strain for me, and possibly a source if it is not a commonly available strain, I would be appreciative. As I see it the major requirements are good winter hardyness, good foraging ability on non-concentrated food sources, and the ability to go into winter with a small, yet sufficient, cluster size. I don't see any need for a large winter cluster size or a fast spring build up as there is no single concentrated flow in the area, with the wildflower bloom starting early and building up slowly through the summer and tapering off slowly into the fall. Also, as I usually work the bees in full armor, I don't have any particular need for excessive gentleness. Thanks in advance for the advice. Brian Allen Article 9999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: creamed honey? Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:51:49 -0400 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 93 Message-ID: <34455714.8FA01528@ne.mediaone.net> References: <344426CC.6CFF@phoenix.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------11D2DCEDF182685B6A6EC39D" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: gerwin@phoenix.net X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9999 --------------11D2DCEDF182685B6A6EC39D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Erwin wrote: > Could anyone please describe how to make "creamed honey"? Jim Like every recipe, everyone has their own little tricks/secrets for making creamed honey. The basic process is: * start with a honey that crystallizes rapidly and easily (whatever has a nice flavor & is easy to get in your area). You'll want to heat that honey--either spike the heat to 150 F or hold it at 130 F for several hours to *kill* the crystals that may have already begun to form in it. * After your honey has cooled to 90 F or so, add some very smooth creamed honey as "seed" (like for sourdough). You'll want to add a minimum of 10% seed to volume, e.g. if you're creaming a 60 lb. pail of honey, add a minimum of 6 lbs. of "seed". * Blend the seed and the honey together thoroughly. There is a funky stainless tool sold by many of the beekeeping suppliers that blends the honey quite nicely without adding too much air. A long handled spoon works acceptably (though takes longer). * Jar your soupy creamed honey and chill to 55-58 F until set. * Eat and enjoy. The best printed (most detailed) instructions I've ever seen were put together by an old beekeeper (now deceased) named Al Delicata. His creamed honey won best of state (MA & ME) and national shows consistantly for years. He last lived in Maine, and his widow and daughter are still active with the Maine Beekeepers Association. You might be able to get a copy if you visit the Maine web page at http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee and ask their sitemaster or Tony Jadzak (the Apiary Inspector). Happy Creamin' Kathy --------------11D2DCEDF182685B6A6EC39D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Erwin wrote:
Could anyone please describe how to make "creamed honey"?
Jim
Like every recipe, everyone has their own little tricks/secrets for making creamed honey.
The basic process is:
  • start with a honey that crystallizes rapidly and easily (whatever has a nice flavor & is easy to get  in your area).  You'll want to heat that honey--either spike the heat to 150 F  or hold it at 130 F for several hours to *kill* the crystals that may have already begun to form in it.
  • After your honey has cooled to 90 F or so, add some very smooth creamed honey as "seed" (like for sourdough).  You'll want to add a minimum of 10% seed to volume, e.g.  if you're creaming a 60 lb. pail of honey, add a minimum of 6 lbs. of  "seed". 
  • Blend the seed and the honey together thoroughly. There is a funky stainless tool sold by many of the beekeeping suppliers that blends the honey quite nicely without adding too much air. A long handled spoon works acceptably (though takes longer).
  • Jar your soupy creamed honey and chill to 55-58 F until set.
  • Eat and enjoy.
The best printed (most detailed) instructions I've ever seen were put together by an old beekeeper (now deceased) named Al Delicata. His creamed honey won best of state (MA & ME) and national shows consistantly for years.  He last lived in Maine, and his widow and daughter are still active with the Maine Beekeepers Association. You might be able to get a copy if you visit the Maine web page at http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee and ask their sitemaster or Tony  Jadzak (the Apiary Inspector).

Happy Creamin'
Kathy --------------11D2DCEDF182685B6A6EC39D-- Article 10000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: monitoring mites Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:00:10 -0400 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 96 Message-ID: <3445671A.ED7FF603@ne.mediaone.net> References: <6231nn$aud@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------13938FD5F07C1D525A5A37E3" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Richard Simon X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10000 --------------13938FD5F07C1D525A5A37E3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Simon wrote: > Greetings. > I am a novice beekeeper with three hives. I would like to detect and > monitor both tracheal and varroa mite activity in my hives. Can > anyone > describe a scientifically rigorous method for doing this? For > example, > how do the various research labs, breeders, and others perform this > task > while attempting to develop and verify anti-mite medications and > mite-resistant bees. > > Thanks for any information. > > RLS > Milton, MA, USA Richard Not sure if you are really wanting to detect and monitor or simply detect and treat. The simplest detect & treat method is: You have both mites (and you're not alone)...kill 'em. Other d&t methods are not great for this time of year as most of them kill bees. Most of these methods are detailed on beekeeping organization pages like http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee & http://www.beekeeping.co.nz or on university entomology pages like http://www.psu.edu/dept/beehive/index.html If you are looking for scientific rigor, I'd check out the Oregon State Beekeepers' link page at http://members.aol.com/osbeea/osbalink.htm and look under the heading research. Don't miss Dr. Jerry Bromenshank's stuff on http://www.umt.edu/biology/bees, he can monitor anything! If you want some generic MA beekeeping info, I can point you to your local association or books or... Hope this helps, Kathy beesbest@mediaone.net --------------13938FD5F07C1D525A5A37E3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Simon wrote:

Greetings.
I am a novice beekeeper with three hives.  I would like to detect and
monitor both tracheal and varroa mite activity in my hives.  Can anyone
describe a scientifically rigorous method for doing this?  For example,
how do the various research labs, breeders, and others perform this task
while attempting to develop and verify anti-mite medications and
mite-resistant bees.

Thanks for any information.

RLS
Milton, MA, USA

Richard
Not sure if you are really wanting to detect and  monitor or simply detect and treat.
The simplest detect & treat method is: You have both mites (and you're not alone)...kill 'em.  Other d&t methods are not great for this time of year as most of them kill bees. Most of these methods are detailed on beekeeping organization pages like http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee  &  http://www.beekeeping.co.nz or on university entomology pages like http://www.psu.edu/dept/beehive/index.html

If you are looking for scientific rigor,  I'd check out the Oregon State Beekeepers' link page at http://members.aol.com/osbeea/osbalink.htm and look under the heading research. Don't miss Dr. Jerry Bromenshank's stuff on http://www.umt.edu/biology/bees,  he can monitor anything!

If you want some generic MA beekeeping info, I can point you to your local association or books or... 

Hope this helps,
Kathy
beesbest@mediaone.net
 
  --------------13938FD5F07C1D525A5A37E3-- Article 10001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:52:14 -0600 From: rgonty@galaxy.mb.ca Subject: Domed Bee Hives Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <876976792.28651@dejanews.com> Reply-To: rgonty@galaxy.mb.ca Organization: Deja News Posting Service To: rgonty@galaxy.mb.ca X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 16 04:39:53 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 207.161.165.86 (ppp40.brandon.techplus.mb.ca) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; Windows 3.1) X-Authenticated-Sender: rgonty@galaxy.mb.ca Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10001 Hello I am looking for any information, on the original domed shaped bee hives. Thank you Ronald E. Gonty E-mail: rgonty@galaxy.mb.ca -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 10002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Effects of Under-Usage of Antibiotics Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:18:01 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3445CDB9.1F70@europem01.nt.com> References: <19971010174701.NAA18542@ladder01.news.aol.com> <343EBC99.15E1EB05@valley.net> Reply-To: ask01.delete_this@europem01.nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: npait134.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10002 Joe Hindsley wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:39:05 -0400, bill greenrose > wrote: > > > > >antibiotic treatment. the development of antibiotic resistant bacteria is one > >of the best examples of darwin's theory of survival of the fittest. if it were > > > > >what does this mean for beekeepers? if you're going to use a chemical to kill > >an organism, then follow the directions on the label, until something better > >comes along. btw, that applies to one's personal life, as well. if the doc > >gives you a prescription for an antibiotic, be sure to take the full dosage for > >the prescribed time. if you don't, then maybe you'll be lucky and not have > >enough resistant 'bugs' in your system to make a difference. but, if you're not > >lucky, you will get to experience, first hand, darwin's theory in action. > > Sorry but I'm in a quibbling mood. I agree with everything you've written > here execpt your statments of Darwin's theory. Darwin tried to show that the > diversity of life is a result of the adaptations creatures make to their > environment. For example, you have a species of fish that eats wigglers. > There are wigglers that float on the surface of the lake and wigglers in > the lake's mud. Over time these fish diversify by developing better techniques > for aquiring either one of the wigglers. Bottom wiggler eaters develop > whiskers to help find the food and floating wiggler eaters develop a larger > mouth to scoop up more of them. Because of the long period of time a change > like this takes to occur, it is impossible to apply "survival of the fittest". > The fish meerly make adaptations that suit their environment. > > -- > Joe H. Seeing as we've started quibbling... surely intoducing antibiotics and/or Apistan IS changing the environment inside of the Bees/hive respectively so as I see it Darwins theory still applies. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. ask01.delete_this@europem01.nt.com [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 10003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ph-267 From: username@server.ru.ac.za (Your Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sept Honey Prices Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 15:55:31 GMT Organization: Rhodes University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <625ddm$9rj@quagga.ru.ac.za> References: <9710141742362713@beenet.com> <6232dn$16v9$1@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ph-267.lab.ru.ac.za X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10003 Saw this thread and figured I would give the current price I have been offered for honey: The current price is R21.00 a kg which is approximately US$4.28 a kg, or about US$2.00 a pound (+-). This is for choice grade, unheated, multiflora honey and also for saligna honey (we call it bluegum honey much to the australians horror everything that is a eucalypt here is called a bluegum). Keep well Garth Article 10004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apiphobia From: client01@naitmci.com (client01) Organization: NAIT Microcomputer Institute X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.153.10.169 Message-ID: <34465418.0@news.oanet.com> Date: 16 Oct 97 17:51:20 GMT Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news.agtac.net!news.oanet.com!207.153.10.169 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10004 I am one of many individuals that suffer from extreme apiphibia. I have been terrified of bees / wasps / hornets since I was a young child yet am still fascinated by them. I am looking for more information on how to combat this terror as it does occasionally impact on my ability to enjoy outdoor activities in the summertime. If anyone here knows of any good books or articles, please email them to me or send me a note to: John Phillips takeone@planet.eon.net Article 10005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!gt743 From: gt743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John F. Shea) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Site for grain beetle/tapeworm survey? Date: 16 Oct 1997 18:36:57 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 14 Message-ID: <625ms9$p40@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: gt743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John F. Shea) NNTP-Posting-Host: owl.ins.cwru.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10005 Hi, I'm a first year grad student who is trying to figure out my research project. I would like to do a survey of grain beetles (Tenebrio Molitor) and see how many are infected with the tapeworm Hymenolepsis diminuta. I know the beetles like to inhabit graineries (along with the definitive host of the tapeworm, the rat). However, my advisor has had difficulty convincing the owners of these graineries that he is a zoologist and not the health inspector. Thus, he has been unable to do any sort of collection/survey in these places. Does anyone have any ideas how I could get around this? Does anyone know of a site where the beetles, the rats and the tapeworm occur together? Preferably in the Midwest? -John Shea OSU: Dept of Zoology Article 10006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in4.uu.net!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!joseph From: joseph@ralplw17.raleigh.ibm.com (Joe Hindsley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Effects of Under-Usage of Antibiotics Date: 16 Oct 1997 21:22:53 GMT Organization: ISSC South Region, RTP, NC Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <19971010174701.NAA18542@ladder01.news.aol.com> <343EBC99.15E1EB05@valley.net> <3445CDB9.1F70@europem01.nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ralplw17.raleigh.ibm.com X-Trace: rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com 877036973 37408 (None) 9.37.97.2 X-Complaints-To: news@rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.2 UNIX) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10006 On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:18:01 +0100, Adrian Kyte wrote: >Seeing as we've started quibbling... surely intoducing antibiotics >and/or Apistan IS changing the environment inside of the Bees/hive >respectively so as I see it Darwins theory still applies. Absolutely, Darwin's theory applies! I was just pointing out that his theory was not the "survival of the fittest" buzz phrase that everyone seems to think it is. -- Joe H. Article 10007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Problem? bees can not fly Date: 16 Oct 1997 22:05:48 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: <19971016220500.SAA16677@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10007 We have been informed by the USPS that only queen bees can fly,,,,but no honeybees can. A new Regulation passed July 1st is now being enforced. The new USPS regulations state that only queen bees can go on aircraft. NO honeybees not even attendents for the queens. We informed them that queenbees needed a few attendents to keep them alive........ They informed us that queenbees with attendents could only be shipped by ground transportation. The start of this whole thing was a pilot at Orlando international airport who refused to allow the box of queens aboard because the box only stated "Live Queen Bees". He said it should read "Live Queen Honey Bees". Then when the regulations were looked at closer the subject of NO bees, No honeybees other than queen honeybees were allowed on the plane. It was said that in case of a crash, bees might escape????? What a government???? Article 10008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Len A. Davis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Test Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:44:27 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6265gr$fe7$1@usenet85.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 15815@204.145.251.109 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10008 Test Article 10009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.186.0.134!newsgate.ptd.net!news.ptd.net!the-commune From: dave@scranton.com (Dave D. Cawley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Super Weights Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 23:41:34 GMT Organization: The Internet Cafe Web Development Group Lines: 5 Sender: davec@du02.scr.ptd.net Message-ID: <6268pk$dul$1@news3.ptd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: du02.scr.ptd.net X-Trace: news3.ptd.net 877045364 14293 (None) 204.186.26.2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: davec X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10009 What's the average weight of a shallow super of 10 fully capped frames? Thanks. Dave Article 10010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!155.229.2.176!metro.atlanta.com!not-for-mail From: purcell@atlanta.com (Michael Purcell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apiphobia Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:38:03 GMT Organization: Internet Atlanta Lines: 83 Message-ID: <3448b2ba.9581330@nntp.atlanta.com> References: <34465418.0@news.oanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: purcell.atlanta.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10010 John, I can't offer any pointers to books or articles, but I can share my own personal experience. I was extremely afraid of any stinging insect from practically as early as I can remember, until I was well into adult life. (I never thought to call it apiphobia, but I suppose it was. If a wasp or bee flew into the room, I would leave the room and go ask someone else to get it out of the house.) This was true until I was in my mid thirty's. Then, as a result of being with friends who were starting to learn about honey bees, I became fascinated with the bees myself, and became a hobbyist beekeeper. I started with two hives, and gradually built up over a ten year period until I was running a dozen hives. I left off with the bees about six or seven years ago when I lost all my bees to tracheal mites, and didn't return to them because of my bad back. But in that time, I completely lost my fear, so that now I am the person who goes and gets the wasp or bee out of the room! When I made the decision to start, it was partly influenced by my desire to overcome the fear, which I viewed as a handicap. But I suppose that I believed I could overcome it, or I probably wouldn't have started. But I will say, I looked very carefully at how I could keep bees and not get stung. I decided I could do it by wearing gloves, a complete bee suit with several layers underneath, three or four pair of socks, and a very good veil. As a matter of fact, I did not get stung once the first year. I did get stung, on the knee and on the ankle, about mid way through the second year, when I got a hive really badly riled up. My ankle swelled up so that I couldn't walk on it, and I still have a bump on my knee where the first stinger got me. But I didn't quit. I kept on going, and I didn't get stung very many times in the early years. And when I did get stung, the reaction became less and less. The first couple of years, the bees were kept on top of the garage in the city. The location was very hot because of the black roof, and when I would work on the bees I would be drenched in sweat. I even suffered from mild heat prostration a few times, and got in the habit of taking extra salt to combat it. Over the years, I never learned to work the bees without gloves, because I still have an almost uncontrollable jerk reaction when the bees get around my bare hand, but in the last few years, I would work the bees sometimes with just a white shirt and jeans, veil and gloves. In the last few years I also got a lot less concerned about getting stung, and actually got stung quite a few times each year, with no reaction. The pain would go away in two or three minutes. It was a bit of a rocky road, especially in the beginning, but I grew to love the bees. It was especially nice to sit in the apiary near the hives during the height of the honey flow and watch the bees coming and going. Working with the bees also got me interested in the indigenous flora, and I learned to walk and be at peace. I would say that without a doubt, beekeeping has been the finest activity I have pursued in my life. One of these days, in the not too distant future, I will move to the country and I will have bees again. Learning about top bar hives has given me that hope. Just thought you and maybe a few others might find my story of interest. You could do it too! Michael client01@naitmci.com (client01) wrote: >I am one of many individuals that suffer from extreme apiphibia. I have >been terrified of bees / wasps / hornets since I was a young child yet >am still fascinated by them. > >I am looking for more information on how to combat this terror as it >does occasionally impact on my ability to enjoy outdoor activities in >the summertime. > >If anyone here knows of any good books or articles, please email them to >me or send me a note to: > >John Phillips >takeone@planet.eon.net -- Michael Purcell purcell@atlanta.com Article 10011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Effects of Under-Usage of Antibiotics Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:16:23 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3446AE57.B1974F78@valley.net> References: <19971010174701.NAA18542@ladder01.news.aol.com> <343EBC99.15E1EB05@valley.net> <3445CDB9.1F70@europem01.nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-148.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10011 Joe Hindsley wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:18:01 +0100, Adrian Kyte > wrote: > >Seeing as we've started quibbling... surely intoducing antibiotics > >and/or Apistan IS changing the environment inside of the Bees/hive > >respectively so as I see it Darwins theory still applies. > > Absolutely, Darwin's theory applies! I was just pointing out that his theory > was not the "survival of the fittest" buzz phrase that everyone seems to think > it is. > > -- > Joe H. sure, darwin did not originate the phrase 'survival of the fittest.' my bees just reminded me that it was coined by herbert spencer, a sociologist, several years before darwin published 'origin'. spencer has been described as a post-darwinist, but actually applied his own evolutionary theories to the fields of sociology and psychology, sort of an early social-darwinist. in explaining the driving force of speciation darwin used the term 'natural selection' to differentiate the evolutionary process from the 'artificial selection' of animal husbandry, which he studied. never-the-less, he did use the phrase 'survival of the fittest' in later editions of 'origin' at the urging of alfred wallace, another early evolutionist, who convinced darwin "that the implications of deliberate and intentional selection in the term 'natural selection' were misleading." he didn't like it, but he used it. as a result, the phrase has been pretty much 'stuck' to darwin. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem? bees can not fly Date: 17 Oct 1997 03:58:41 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 33 Message-ID: <626nph$9kp@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <19971016220500.SAA16677@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10012 In a previous article, miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) says: Sounds like some e-mail to the Secretary of Agriculture might be in order. Perhaps some _authoritative_ guidance might be given as to the content of a letter requesting intervention with the USPS in the interests of permitting necessary shipment of bees around the country. >We have been informed by the USPS that only queen bees can fly,,,,but no > honeybees can. >A new Regulation passed July 1st is now being enforced. >The new USPS regulations state that only queen bees can go on aircraft. NO >honeybees not even attendents for the queens. We informed them that >queenbees needed a few attendents to keep them alive........ They informed >us that queenbees with attendents could only be shipped by ground >transportation. >Start of this whole thing was a pilot at Orlando international airport who >refused to allow the box of queens aboard because the box only stated "Live >Queen Bees". He said it should read "Live Queen Honey Bees". Then when the >regulations were looked at closer the subject of NO bees, No honeybees other >than queen honeybees were allowed on the plane. >It was said that in case of a crash, bees might escape????? --------------- Richard Yarnell | No gimmick we try, no "scientific" SHAMBLES WORKSHOPS, Portland OR | fix we attempt, will save our planet Wooden Canoes, The Stack - urban | unless we _reduce_ the population. Let's composter, fly tying benches | leave our kids a decent place to live. -- Article 10032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: exokewl@aol.com (EXOKEWL) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Foundation Maker Date: 19 Oct 1997 07:59:49 GMT Lines: 2 Message-ID: <19971019075901.DAA28208@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10032 If anyone knows where I can get a foundation maker please contact me at Exokewl@aol.com. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Article 10033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uninett.no!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jørn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen data converted to Mac Date: 19 Oct 1997 09:58:31 GMT Organization: EDBi Lines: 27 Message-ID: <01bcdc75$1b30d240$0100007f@jornjoha> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp24.rd.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 877255111 47004 (None) 194.239.161.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.inet.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10033 Hello all Mac users. On request I have converted the pollen data file to a DBF file so that other than win95 or win3.1+ might be able to have use of it! Please if you find this Job I have done is of value for You send me a 20 dollar bill :-) get the file from the following urls http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo http://www.wn.com/apimo Best regards Jorn Johanesson Solsortevej 27, Assens DK 9550 Mariager e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk -- EDBi = Beekeeping software for Windows 3.1 win95 e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk edbi homepage http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo or http://www.wn.com.au/apimo Ken Morris homepage http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm Article 10034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help. Moth Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:10:21 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <344a0385.61666116@news.earthlink.net> References: <62bgp2$641$1@talia.mad.ibernet.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.76.252 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10034 Fabio Agliata wrote: >I have a few hive in Mallorca which were going pretty good. >Suddenly in one month two got wiped out by moth. I don't know about the treatment that you mentioned, but . . . Moth is usually not a serious problem for healthy honeybee colonies. Moth damage typically only occurs after a colony has already become weakened from some other problem. Mites, brood disease, queenlessness, or starvation are more likely to be the real problem with your bees. You might want to check your remaining bees carefully or have someone else diagnose a possible problem. Best wishes, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.164.220.8!news.monmouth.com!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Victor S. Patterson" <"vsp@flash.net"@flash.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hydromel Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 09:16:32 -0500 Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 4 Message-ID: <62d55o$mpd$1@excalibur.flash.net> Reply-To: "vsp@flash.net"@flash.net NNTP-Posting-Host: h56asc1-173.flash.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10035 Vivian, I have the information you were seeking on the above subject, but your service is not accepting email. See if you can solve the problem and let me know, I have been receiving your emails. Article 10036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!204.253.208.40!insync!news.insync.net From: "donald collins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted: help for migratory beekeeping business Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 12:05:59 -0500 Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Lines: 6 Message-ID: <877262876.887280@moon.intrastar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.136.25.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Cache-Post-Path: moon.intrastar.net!unknown@pm1-59.cro.intrastar.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10036 Looking for hardworking, responsible young man for full time position in Tx - ND, migratory bee business. Must be experienced, or willing to learn, and have a long term mentality toward the job. Contact Don Collins dcollins@intrastar.net for more information Article 10037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: seeking help with bee strain selection Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:22:35 -0400 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 86 Message-ID: <344A41DB.EADAF1CA@ne.mediaone.net> References: <34454130.9A5378CF@mines.edu> <344789B9.BD6616A@ne.mediaone.net> <62ai2q$cq$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10037 Adam, Agreed. All of what you say is true for many beekeepers in many regions and locally bred bees is ideally the best way to go. I *ass*umed, quite possibly inaccurately, that Brian's stating in his original post that he had two colonies of Italian bees at his location for two years meant that he was relatively new to the world of beekeeping (i apologize if this is not true). I also got from his original post that he and his 2 colonies were isolated from mites (therefore other honeybees?), which (i believe) means no breeding program without a comitment to maintaining a lot more colonies (which many hobbiests are not willing to do). Remembering back to when Rick & I had been keeping bees for two years (& perhaps we were exceptionally slow learners), we were in no way ready to begin evaluating colony traits for selection of genetic stock in order to breed our own bees... we were still too busy learning about diseases, parasites, treatments, and general management practices. And one of the first lessons we learned in beekeeping was not to trust a local nuc assembler who represented himself as a queen breeder. This man had all of the credentials that someone new to beekeeping would respect; he was the president of the local county beekeeping organization, was one of two beekeeping suppliers in the county, he was one of the teachers and organizers of the 9 week intro-beekeeping course that we took, he was one of the primary organizers of a very large beekeeping display at a 10 day fair, & he had been keeping & (supposedly) breeding bees for 30+ years. The man sold us bees that had been hived that morning from a location not 1/4 mile from our house, though I picked them up from his house 3-4 miles away (someday ask me to tell you the story of how I got my first 45 stings picking up these bees). Besides the the field force heading home almost instantly, this nuc was infected with EFB and heavily infested with varroa mites and we (in retrospect) believe with trachael mites as well. Two days after picking up the bees, this man's home was auctioned by the government for non-payment of taxes and he moved to Florida with his girlfriend. So, for us, the advice to breed our own bees as new beekeepers wouldn't have worked, and buying them locally didn't work--and though we obviously did not find a *reputable* queen breeder, I'm not sure we had the ability to tell the difference (this guy smelled reeal good!). Though we have bred some of our own stock recently (open-mated), we still, and probably will continue to buy queens from breeders whose breeding goals and techniques match our own needs and beliefs and who have a good track record from many (nationally /internationally) instead of few (locally). This approach provided that the USPS can be persuaded to change its ridiculous position of not carrying honeybees on airplanes! Kathy P.S. No one has mentioned the possibility that there just may not be sufficient food for honeybees in Brian's area. An excellent source of information about the nectar & pollen values of many temperate climate plants is "Plants For Beekeeping in Canada and the northern USA: A Directory of Nectar and Pollen Sources Found in Canada and the northern USA" by Jane Ramsay, published by IBRA. It is currently out of print but one may still be able to find a copy. On a limited basis, I'd be willing to look up specific plants for folks who e-mail a request. Please don't swamp me. Adam Finkelstein wrote: > Often the best queens to be found are made locally by a good > queen breeder. > > What's a local queen? One that has not had to travel through the US > mail or > in a car for more than several hours. > > What's a good queen breeder? One who has their own bees to produce > honey and > who has a good reputation. A "track record". > > > _________________ > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu > http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 10038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: just an update and a question on temperature Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:06:37 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 57 Message-ID: <344A684D.63D0890D@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-141.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10038 greetings all. my first year attempt at beekeeping proceeds apace. but, i am amazed that my bees are still active. living in new hampshire, i expected the season to end a few weeks ago. the bees, however, have other ideas. this morning is a good example. my outdoor thermometer read a balmy 43 degrees, yet the bees were buzzing about. the hive is in the sun and it definitely felt warmer there than in the shade, but i was still impressed. we're not talking huge masses of bees like in july, mind you, but there was a healthy cloud of bees coming and going near the entrance. now, it's about 50, and i just finished watching them for a while, thinking that they were just doing cleansing flights, but i saw a few returning with full pollen baskets. from where they're getting the stuff, i don't know. maybe a few late-blooming asters and goldenrod? the weather has been unusually warm this late in the season. only had my first real frost this past week, and even then it only dipped to 29 or so [my first 2 years up here i had a hard frost in mid-sept.]. i figure that's what's keeping them going this long, the warm weather's continued resistance to depart. as a result, i've delayed buttoning them up for the winter, until we get some consistently cold [nighttime temps regularly in the 20's and daytime temps around 40?] weather. most likely, i figure they'll let me know when it's time. i inserted the entrance reducer and mouse guard, and inverted their vent box a few weeks ago, so i don't think the cool nights [generally in the 30's] are stressing them out too badly. haven't opened the top entrance, yet, insulated the roof, wrapped the hive or removed the apistan strips [last 4 jobs of the season]. didn't have to flip boxes this year, as they naturally rearranged their living quarters, so that the brood is now in the lower deep and the top deep is full of honey. i've left a full super on top, just to make sure they have enough winter stores. if they don't need it during the winter, then i'll feed it to them in the spring. they keep waxing [really thick stuff] the tops of the frames in the upper deep together, something they didn't do during the summer. i'm guessing that they're reducing the volume of air that they have to keep warm inside the hive. any comments or recommendations regarding my strategy will be greatly appreciated. question: do others see their bees active in such cool weather? from the literature i thought that bees became inactive below 50 or so. but, that is definitely not the case with these bees. my assumption [always dangerous] is that they are warm enough in the hive to give it a shot, and in the sun it's warm enough for them to keep active. does this make sense? thanks in advance. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news3.spinne.com!news.spinne.com!news.deltanet.com!not-for-mail From: "Tobin Fricke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in Southern California Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 14:29:27 -0700 Organization: Delta Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 49 Message-ID: <62du4o$kvb$1@news01.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anx-lkf3083.deltanet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10039 Hello, Everyone. My friend and I started a beehive three weeks ago. We were given a colony from a nuc hive on four-frames which we combined with six frames with new foundation in a ten frame movable frame hive. We are wondering how we are to judge the health of our colony and what we need to do to maintain it. There is constant traffic from the hive's entrance, although it seems to be fairly light. A bee or two comes or goes about once every few seconds on average. However, they seem to be completely ignoring a blooming lemon tree about five feet to the right of the hive entrance. Why is this? Yesterday we opened up the hive to see how things were going. There is absolutely no activity on the six new frames. The bees have built nothing at all on these frames. They are only active on the four frames from the nuc hive. Is this normal? We were unable to locate the queen. However, I beleive that this is just because we are inexperienced and don't really know what to look for. We did find what looks like an empty queen cell! What does this mean? Neither of us remember seeing it two weeks ago when we inspected the hive, however, it's completely possible that we just overlooked it at that time. We can clearly see the small white bee larvae curled up in cells in the center portions of the frames. The top and outer cells are mainly capped honey cells and in between the brood and the capped cells are open honey cells. I live in the city of Mission Viejo in southern Orange County in southern California. I'm very interested to hear from any beekeepers in this area.. I've heard about feeding bees, but I'm still not clear on exactly how this is done. Do I need to feed the bees? and how would we go about doing this? Do we need to do anything to prepare the bees for winter, even though the winter here will probably be quite mild? Our whole project is documented at this web site: (if you find any errors, please tell me!) http://mae.engr.ucdavis.edu/~fricke/splorg/bees/bees.html Thank you, Tobin Fricke (Mission Viejo High School) fricke@mae.engr.ucdavis.edu Article 10040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: JEAN ELSEN s.a.JEAN ELSEN s.a. - NumismatistsAvenue de Tervueren 65B Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:23:00 GMT Message-ID: <9710191725562726@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <33D97C75.AA91B265@valley.net> <33CD4B62.6979@starpoint.net> Lines: 62 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10040 040 Brussels BelgiumTel: 0032.2.734.63.56 Fax: 0032.2.735.77.78E-mail: numisma ique@elsen.beWebsite: http://www.elsen.beCollection : The bee and the hivein nu ismatics *FYI* From: "Jean ELSEN s.a." Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:31:57 +0100 Subject: JEAN ELSEN s.a. JEAN ELSEN s.a. - Numismatists Avenue de Tervueren 65 B-1040 Brussels Belgium Tel: 0032.2.734.63.56 Fax: 0032.2.735.77.78 E-mail: numismatique@elsen.be Website: http://www.elsen.be Collection : The bee and the hive in numismatics Dear Sir, We have the pleasure to announce you that we will present Jean Nivaille's collection in our 52th auction planned on 13th December 1997. Jean Nivaille's collection was elaborated during several decades and is composed by most than thousand coins and medals, from the antiquity till today. This collection is the most important one in the world focused on the bee and the hive in numismatics. An important number of lots that constitute this collection come from the famous Spiegel's collection, sold in Köln in Germany in 1980. The collection contains numerous rarities, especially in the Ancient Greek coins. The bee was the symbol of the Greek city of Ephesius. During the Modern Times, coins and medals were strucked in the name of pope Urbanus VIII (1623-1644) with the bees of his coat of arms. Symbols of prosperity, work and industry, the bee and the hive figure on a lot of medals strucked from the Renaisance: peace medals, wedding medals... The bees were also selected as the emblem of the secretaries of the king in France. Of course, the collection contains also impressive worldwide series of medals of societies of beekeepers. The catalogue will be presented on-line with pictures on our website at http://www.elsen.be We would be pleased to send a free hard copy of the catalogue to any interested person. May we ask you to contact us if you are interested in at the following address: numismatique@elsen.be Yours sincerely Jean Elsen s.a. 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Article 10042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.2.96.62!news.rain.net!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation Maker Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:30:08 -0700 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 15 Message-ID: <344ADE50.328C@teleport.com> References: <19971019075901.DAA28208@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug2-10.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) To: EXOKEWL Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10042 Hello, I've seen them available in the E.H. Thorne catalog. The are located in England. Unfortunately, I've loaned my catalog to someone. Otherwise, I'd give you more info. Good Luck, Paul EXOKEWL wrote: > > If anyone knows where I can get a foundation maker please contact me at > Exokewl@aol.com. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Article 10043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEES THAT SURVIVE VARROA Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:17:38 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 54 Message-ID: <344B0591.2B47C965@calwest.net> References: <9710171857522724@beenet.com> <01bcdbd1$b8372200$a06ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1-102-40.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10043 > From monitoring untreated colonies as part of HIP > I have for some years suspected that the diseases > vectored or catalyzed by the mites MAY be of > greater importance than are the mites themselves. The problem with this line of thinking is that the traumatic loss that I write about was "BM", before the first coming of the mites, or before they were reported as a problem or even observed on honeybees in the US and Europe and vectoring by them would have not been possible. I guess I am not so HIP but I don't know everything and I know nothing about HIP but do know of some of the people who's names you have mentioned and also know they to this date have offered good stock but I know of nothing that can be measured as a difference in a commercial apiary from any other good stock offered by hundreds of bee breeders and that reared by beekeepers for their own use .. There is one piece of work by Bailey and others that I don't like to think about because of my commercial beekeeping life's work which has always been to use available bee pasture to the maximum but Bailey's work on "bee populations" may be closer to the root of bee problems in the US for several reasons and that is "stocking rates" such as used by the majority of commercial beekeepers in pollination works and honey production. Combine this with the "Beekeeping Peter Principal" which simply states that if something bad it out there it will come to your apiary given a very little time. If this is true, at least the part about overstocking then the beekeepers who really live in areas that "really: had dramatic reductions in feral and hivebee populations should now have a better opportunity to rear healthier bees until they or their neighbors again overstock the bee pasture and before that happens should be reporting better crops and less bee loss. So far I have not heard this from the areas of the US that have reported the loss of feral bees and hivebees, but I have heard of several reports of lack of Varroa mites in untreated hives that had them in previous years. This could be a temporary condition and until more is reported it's anyone's guess at to what is being seen and reported in these hives and the disappearance of the vampire mites from them. The beekeepers here who are doing well and have enjoyed another good year have several things in common that may relate to the some of the above. One is they re-queen or replace 100% of their hives each year, and the 2nd is they spend a lot of money on fuel oil and are continually moving their bees to better pasture. They also feed lots of sugar, protein patties, grease balls, and follow the directions for treating for Varroa mites. I suspect that if they stopped doing one and two above all the feeding, treatments, and what knots would do little good and they would be in a world of hurt. IMHO, the OLd Drone Article 10044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Southern California Date: 20 Oct 1997 13:15:33 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 131 Message-ID: <01bcdd59$f0358b40$946ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <62du4o$kvb$1@news01.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-20.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Oct 20 6:15:33 AM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10044 Tobin Fricke wrote in article <62du4o$kvb$1@news01.deltanet.com>... | Hello, Everyone. My friend and I started a beehive three weeks ago. We | were given a colony from a nuc hive on four-frames which we combined with | six frames with new foundation in a ten frame movable frame hive. We are | wondering how we are to judge the health of our colony and what we need to | do to maintain it. | | There is constant traffic from the hive's entrance, although it seems to be | fairly light. A bee or two comes or goes about once every few seconds on | average. However, they seem to be completely ignoring a blooming lemon tree | about five feet to the right of the hive entrance. Why is this? Do you see pollen on the back legs of some of the returning workers? | Yesterday we opened up the hive to see how things were going. There is | absolutely no activity on the six new frames. The bees have built nothing | at all on these frames. They are only active on the four frames from the | nuc hive. Is this normal? IF the nuc was not particularly strong OR if there is not sufficient nectar coming in OR if you have a queen problem - you are likely to see this lack of expansion in 3 weeks but IF things are favorably they will often hop right on another frame or so pronto here - assuming STRONG nucs and a decent flow (or feed on) | We were unable to locate the queen. However, I beleive that this is just | because we are inexperienced and don't really know what to look for. We did | find what looks like an empty queen cell! What does this mean? Is it empty as per just a cup started?- look for an egg in the bottom - bees will build q-cells and not lay eggs in them at times but generally building cells indicates supersedure prep under "non-buildup" conditions such as you describe - supersedure cells tend to be on the comb face whereas swarm cells tend to be on the edges of the broodnest which in a "prepared to swarm" as per busting at the seams colony generally means they are down on the frame bottoms (brood break) | Neither of | us remember seeing it two weeks ago when we inspected the hive, however, | it's completely possible that we just overlooked it at that time. | | We can clearly see the small white bee larvae curled up in cells in the | center portions of the frames. The top and outer cells are mainly capped | honey cells and in between the brood and the capped cells are open honey | cells. This sounds favorable - can you see eggs as well? If you can see eggs laid in a tight pattern you know the queen was there at least within the past three days even if you do not find her. It may well be that the bees are finding enough to get by fairly decent but not enough to really buildup. Then again it may be that all is well and the nuc was just not real strong when installed - thus has been playing catch up. If it has been playing catch up you should see a big change in the next three weeks. | I live in the city of Mission Viejo in southern Orange County in southern | California. I'm very interested to hear from any beekeepers in this area.. | | I've heard about feeding bees, but I'm still not clear on exactly how this | is done. Do I need to feed the bees? and how would we go about doing this? See John Calderia's website - tips section - a link can be found on my Bee Links page. | Do we need to do anything to prepare the bees for winter, even though the | winter here will probably be quite mild? Don't know what the flora is like there - someone else will have to answer that part. | Our whole project is documented at this web site: (if you find any errors, | please tell me!) | http://mae.engr.ucdavis.edu/~fricke/splorg/bees/bees.html | | Thank you, | | Tobin Fricke | (Mission Viejo High School) | fricke@mae.engr.ucdavis.edu ------ -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 10045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEES THAT SURVIVE VARROA Date: 20 Oct 1997 12:51:02 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 268 Message-ID: <01bcdd56$818479c0$946ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <9710171857522724@beenet.com> <01bcdbd1$b8372200$a06ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <344B0591.2B47C965@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-20.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Oct 20 5:51:02 AM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10045 Andy Nachbaur wrote in article <344B0591.2B47C965@calwest.net>... |Jack Griffes wrote: | > From monitoring untreated colonies as part of HIP | > I have for some years suspected that the diseases | > vectored or catalyzed by the mites MAY be of | > greater importance than are the mites themselves. | | The problem with this line of thinking is that the traumatic loss that I | write about was "BM", before | the first coming of the mites, or before they were reported as a problem | or even observed on honeybees in the US and Europe and vectoring by them | would have not been possible. I understood (perhaps incorrectly) that you were talking about both Pre-Mite days and current "with mite" days as well in making a case for viruses as the culprit as oppossed to mites. I am agreeing with what I thought was your main thrust that being "viruses may be the culprit while mites are taking the blame" while explaining to the newbies amongst us that the mites do lend a hand in the virus and disease scheme. The point I was making is that the diseases are helped along by the mites - something more than one HIP Cooperator suspected before Shimanuki dubbed it PMS. IOW we saw "sick bees" not just parasitized bees - and crashing colonies do look sick not just parasitzed in most instances here in this region as well as done in FL. Does that or does it not match with what you seen in crashing colonies in your region Andy? That diseases existed Pre-Mite and caused havoc then as well is likewise true - we agree on that. | I guess I am not so HIP but I don't know everything and I know nothing | about HIP you can read about HIP on my website - or even in the ABJ or BC articles listed thereon - if the info interests you print it off as I will be changing ISP's soon more than likely |but do know of some of the people who's names you have | mentioned and also know they to this date have offered good stock Which Andy is EXACTLY what I stated - they (Steve Taber & Reggie Wilbanks - both of which I have spoken with face to face - Steve is no longer a "working partner" at Taber's Honey Bee Genetics but not only I but other HIP Cooperators have talked to his working partner there, Tom Parisian, and I think Tom is doing a good job) - any how they offer "good stock in a general sorta way" - HIP however is looking for bees that show ability to survive and thrive UNTREATED in the presence of mites and as you may be aware there ain't many bees that can do that in the North. It is not unlike the difference between saying Irish Cobbler potatoes are "good in a general sorta way" and saying that an improved variety that when the Colorado Potato Beetles brush the hairs on the plant gives off a repellent odor aka "resistant to CPB" yet still good yielding and flavorful and good storage qualities. Both are good but only one is "good for current conditions" when looking through the eyes of a "resistance" oriented plant breeder. That said HIP stock is NOT yet as resistant as we wish it to be - we continue to work toward that end in a practical way yet since to date NO ONE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD has developed stock that meets our goal of 80+% UTS (untreated thriving survival) HERE IN THE NORTH we have to take it on faith so to speak - sorta like the 4 minute mile used to be seen as an impossible barrier yet it now gets broke OFTEN (relatively speaking). | but I | know of nothing that can be measured as a difference in a commercial | apiary from any other good stock offered by hundreds of bee breeders and | that reared by beekeepers for their own use .. Oughta crack out your copy of "Breeding the Honeybee" by Brother Adam. There are differences even between lines within the same breeding population. MOST commercial operations are set up to promote drift and drift buries the differences in large measure. If you sincerely wish to see some differences and will set up a drift reducing yard I will gladly tell ya how to do the needed testing. | There is one piece of work by Bailey and others that I don't like to | think about because of my commercial beekeeping life's work which has | always been to use available bee pasture to the maximum but Bailey's | work on "bee populations" may be closer to the root of bee problems in | the US for several reasons and that is "stocking rates" such as used by | the majority of commercial beekeepers in pollination works and honey | production. This is undeniably a contributing factor. WE (beekeepers) stress bees by housing them in close proximity to other bees for our convenience when in Nature they tend to spread out more. The resulting drift and robbing including silent robbing does much to spread parasites and disease within a yard and to any "within flight range" yards as well at times. |Combine this with the "Beekeeping Peter Principal" which | simply states that if something bad it out there it will come to your | apiary given a very little time. Likely got brought in by the beekeeper too - didn't it? | If this is true, at least the part about overstocking then the | beekeepers who really live in areas that "really: had dramatic | reductions in feral and hivebee populations should now have a better | opportunity to rear healthier bees until they or their neighbors again | overstock the bee pasture and before that happens should be reporting | better crops and less bee loss. BINGO - that is EXACTLY what is reported in the major beekeeping areas of MI - some have nearly doubled their averages. These are the "better beekeepers" and guess what they are generally the same ones that have low losses - off on the sidelines at meetings they have told me they are glad we have the mites in some ways because it has upped their yeild so much and helped them be a better beekeeper. Here in the North the "big trick" in survival is getting the honey off and the bees treated early enough - as well as doing the normal stuff - this requires a big shift in management style and some just won't shift - just keep on doing it all like they did pre-mite and cussing the blooming mites. This is however compounded by the "mite cycle" if you will. That being (in this area) that after a "big crash" winter everybody restocks with packages predominating (strips in so near zero if not zero mites). That year they get a good crop and are amazed "cause we started from packages and they got here so late" (everybody else needed 'em too) [lack of competing feral bees leaves more forage for the new packages and they indeed do better due to that factor]. Well they go into winter in decent shape and come Spring they swarm and reseed the trees. (Sometimes there is a extra year of moderate loss betwixt high and low loss years.) This year the mites had a headstart so colonies start crashing in the Late Summer or early-mid Fall and those out in the trees crash too and seed back (with mites) the apiaries they came from compounding the problem. This ends up being a high loss year and the cycle starts over. Of course environmental conditions combine to readjust the cycle as well. Realize this is how it works here - in an area that is a bee haven for feral colonies if it were not for the mites and attendant havoc from disease (including viruses) - it may work VERY differently in areas that never did have LARGE feral populations of honeybees in Pre-mite days. |So far I have not heard this from the | areas of the US that have reported the loss of feral bees and hivebees, you have now | but I have heard of several reports of lack of Varroa mites in untreated | hives that had them in previous years. This could be a temporary | condition and until more is reported it's anyone's guess at to what is | being seen and reported in these hives and the disappearance of the | vampire mites from them. When Varroa first hit hard here in MI virtually simultaneously (though possibly not related) the T-mites virtually disappeared. Parasites have population cycles too - and "plagues" as well (or "natural biological controls" if you prefer) that cut them down from time to time. (wish we could find one we could use against the mites like we use BT in the garden). There are scientists looking for mite diseases we could use as a control - so far I have not heard of much success in that arena though it surely would be faster than breeding resistant bee stock if some nasty mite disease existed and could be used as a bio-control safely (meaning without harming the bees, the beekeeper, the environment). | The beekeepers here who are doing well and have enjoyed another good | year have several things in common that may relate to the some of the | above. there are always some that do better under poor conditions - generally those that are better livestock managers - we see the same here |One is they re-queen or replace 100% of their hives each year, MIGHTY important yet so often this BASIC thing gets left undone - we requeen all the "flunkies" (ones that are NOT destined for the test yards) each year but obviously do NOT requeen the test colonies NOR the breeders (marked queens) | and the 2nd is they spend a lot of money on fuel oil and are continually | moving their bees to better pasture. here we could do that but the fact is we are are lucky enough to get a decent progression of bloom without doing so - in other areas it ain't the same of course - moving 'em is VERY stressful on 'em too - gotta weigh that into the equation of move vs. stay put - (how about a thread with tips on reducing stress when moving bees long distances???) | They also feed lots of sugar, | protein patties, grease balls, and follow the directions for treating | for Varroa mites. Keeping the livestock from being malnourished (even starving) and managing parasite loads, along with controlling or even preventing disease is a hallmark of a good livestock manager. | I suspect that if they stopped doing one and two above | all the feeding, treatments, and what knots would do little good and | they would be in a world of hurt. more than likely -- Jack Griffes, Coordinator Honeybee Improvement Program Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 10046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lmartin424@aol.com (LMartin424) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Starting a beekeeping hobby Date: 20 Oct 1997 16:26:52 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19971020162600.MAA20538@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10046 I am starting a hobby of beekeeping in the panhandle of west virginia. I would really appreciate any information anyone could give me on my local beekeepers association and how I can contact them. Additionally I would appreciate information on suppliers of equipment that I could purchase equipment from. If anyone in the Berkeley County area reads this please point me in the right direction. I have serched the web for anything to help me but havn't found anything for me locally. Article 10047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.48.96.126!in2.uu.net!news.deltanet.com!not-for-mail From: "Tobin Fricke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding Bees Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:34:38 -0700 Organization: Delta Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <62gpqg$n8i$1@news01.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anx-lkf3081.deltanet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10047 I've placed a zip-lock bag feeder (like http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/feeding.htm) on top of the frames in my ten frame hive.. it's been a day and the bees seem completely uninterested.. what does this mean? Tobin Article 10048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jørn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: APITHERAPY on the INTERNET Date: 21 Oct 1997 00:06:43 GMT Organization: EDBi Lines: 124 Message-ID: <01bcddb4$abfd7ea0$0100007f@jornjoha> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp23.rd.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 877392403 107252 (None) 194.239.161.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.inet.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10048 Dear beekeeper fellows! On behalf of beenet I forward this message to you! APITHERAPY on the INTERNET As some of you may know I have been trying, for some time now, to establish a forum on the Internet for Apitherapy discussion. This has not been as easy task as I had originally assumed. Commercial list servers turned out to be far to expensive and the university and government contacts I have where, understandably, reluctant to give "outsiders" access to their systems. In discussing this problem in BeeNet. Olda, the regional coordinator for Sweden, suggested I contact Ake Esperi, the current Zone coordinator for BeeNet International and host for the Swedish language beekeeping list, and he agreed to maintain the Apitherapy Mailing List (called APITHER) on his List server. This list is officially described as: "An international forum for the discussion of Apitherapy at all levels - Research, Clinical, Practitioner and General interest." The main language of the list is "English" but it is not mandatory. The APITHERAPY Internet Mailing List (APITHER) has also been inter linked with BeeNet International's APITHERAPY conference area. So the current number of readers, as of today the 17 of October, stands at approximately 400+ representing 9 countries. Past experience has shown that, in forums such as this, only about 10% of the readers are writers. Ake has established me as the "owner" of the list. So if you have any questions or need help please don't hesitate to ask. I can be reached at: "owner-apither@beenet.pp.se" or "Durk.Ellison@beenet.pp.sci.fi". For instructions on how to subscribe to the APITHERAPY Mailing List (APITHER) please see below: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- Apitherapy Internet Mailing List (Forum) So what is an Internet mailing list? Well it's a list of Internet addresses of people with an interest in discussing a particular topic of interest. In this case Apitherapy. Better known as "A List" in computer slang. It is composed of two parts the "List server" and "the List". A "List server" is a computer and the software program that maintains a mailing list. In order to join a mailing list you must first tell the "List server" that you want to Subscribe to the list by sending it a message like this: To: listserv@beenet.pp.se From: Subject: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- SUBSCRIBE APITHER ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- And that's all. The rest of the message should be blank. If everything has gone OK, you should receive a subscription conformation message within 48 hours. The "List server" ( listserv@beenet.pp.se ) is also the address you send maintenance messages to like: HELP and if you should ever wish to leave the list: UNSUBSCRIBE APITHER Writing messages TO everyone on the "LIST": Just write the message as you normally would and send the message: To: apither@beenet.pp.se From: "your name" Subject: "what ever" ---------------------------------------------------------- So, to sum up: You send a message to the "List server" ( listserv@beenet.pp.se ) if you want to: Subscribe to the list, Get Help or UnSubscribe from the list. If you wish to send a message to all the people on the list. You send the message To: apither@beenet.pp.se --------------------- I bid you all WELCOME Regards from: Durk Ellison Vantaa, Finland BeeNet : 240:346/300.8 e-mail : Durk.Ellison@beenet.pp.sci.fi Packet : oh2zas @ oh2rbt.#hki.fin.eu -- EDBi = Beekeeping software for Windows 3.1 win95 e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk edbi homepage http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo or http://www.wn.com.au/apimo Article 10049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.idt.net!news.voicenet.com!dsinc!news.enter.net!usenet From: bedwarm@SPAMBLOCK.geocities.com (Bobby Tendinitis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding Bees Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:38:18 GMT Organization: Whose hologram embraces a flat pigeon Lines: 21 Approved: bedwarm@geocities.com Message-ID: <344bf96c.41103727@news.enter.net> References: <62gpqg$n8i$1@news01.deltanet.com> Reply-To: bedwarm@mail.dotcom.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: m40nris-1-7.enter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10049 I attribute the following post to "Tobin Fricke" : > I've placed a zip-lock bag feeder (like >http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/feeding.htm) on top of the >frames in my ten frame hive.. it's been a day and the bees seem completely >uninterested.. what does this mean? Send out for some pizza. Bobby Tendinitis **bedwarm(at)mail.dotcom.fr** http://queeg.resnet.wisc.edu/bedwarm ----------------------------------------------- "Thou must do that which lends itself to that which thou art attempting to pulleth off." - Rev NØrb, in MRR #173 This just in: Denver Nuggets over Golden State. ----------------------------------------------- Article 10050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Southern California Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:18:53 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 153 Message-ID: <344C02FD.7D4D4676@valley.net> References: <62du4o$kvb$1@news01.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-127.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) To: Tobin Fricke Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10050 Tobin Fricke wrote: > Hello, Everyone. My friend and I started a beehive three weeks ago. We > were given a colony from a nuc hive on four-frames which we combined with > six frames with new foundation in a ten frame movable frame hive. We are > wondering how we are to judge the health of our colony and what we need to > do to maintain it. > > There is constant traffic from the hive's entrance, although it seems to be > fairly light. A bee or two comes or goes about once every few seconds on > average. However, they seem to be completely ignoring a blooming lemon tree > about five feet to the right of the hive entrance. Why is this? > > Yesterday we opened up the hive to see how things were going. There is > absolutely no activity on the six new frames. The bees have built nothing > at all on these frames. They are only active on the four frames from the > nuc hive. Is this normal? > > We were unable to locate the queen. However, I beleive that this is just > because we are inexperienced and don't really know what to look for. We did > find what looks like an empty queen cell! What does this mean? Neither of > us remember seeing it two weeks ago when we inspected the hive, however, > it's completely possible that we just overlooked it at that time. > > We can clearly see the small white bee larvae curled up in cells in the > center portions of the frames. The top and outer cells are mainly capped > honey cells and in between the brood and the capped cells are open honey > cells. > > I live in the city of Mission Viejo in southern Orange County in southern > California. I'm very interested to hear from any beekeepers in this area.. > > I've heard about feeding bees, but I'm still not clear on exactly how this > is done. Do I need to feed the bees? and how would we go about doing this? > > Do we need to do anything to prepare the bees for winter, even though the > winter here will probably be quite mild? > > Our whole project is documented at this web site: (if you find any errors, > please tell me!) > http://mae.engr.ucdavis.edu/~fricke/splorg/bees/bees.html > > Thank you, > > Tobin Fricke > (Mission Viejo High School) > fricke@mae.engr.ucdavis.edu greetings, there's not much i can add to what jack has already recommended, as his advice is excellent, but here's a few of things. 1) talk to a local beekeeper! there is NOTHING like getting firsthand knowledge from an expert. as a first year beekeeper myself, i can tell you that for a fact. the guy that sold you the nuc will probably be happy to show you the ropes in his apiary. 2) you guys are obviously very net savvy [checked out you website]. go to jack's site and take it from there. and/or do a search using keywords like 'honeybees' and 'beekeeping.' there is a wealth of information out there on beekeeping. again, i'm speaking from experience. 3) BUY A BOOK! it is the 'old fashioned' way, but a book like "Beekeeping: A Practical Guide" by Richard Bonney [ISBN 0-88266-861-7 (pb)] is cheap [17 bucks], easily read in an afternoon, and a great book for beginners. again, speaking from experience. 4) as to why the bees aren't going to the lemon tree, well, it's possible that they found something better elsewhere. pollen and nectar collection is a matter of preferences. given a choice, the bees will go to the plants that they 'like' best. 5) check around in the cells that appear to be empty that surround the ones with the curled up larvae. if you look at the cells with the light coming over your shoulder, you may see eggs in those cells. they are tiny, smaller than a grain a rice, in the bottom of the cell, and are often hard to see against the light color of new comb. if you see eggs, then you know the queen was around no more than 3 days prior. it's a good way to confirm that you have a laying queen without actually seeing her [yes, it can be tough at times. she has a remarkable ability to avoid detection.] 6) feeding a colony started from a nuc is a great way to get it off to a fast start. i started from a nuc, too, and it really boosted brood and comb production. but, it very much depends on your local conditions. if there is a lot of available forage [lots of flowers and trees blooming within a few miles of the hive], then they may not take the sugar syrup, as they much prefer nectar to syrup. also, around here, it is too late to feed syrup. but, it may be different for you. check at the shop where you bought your supplies. they can set you up with a boardman feeder [probably the easiest for a beginner to use]. it fits inside the entrance, and holds an inverted 1 quart mayo jar with small holes in the lid. vacuum keeps the syrup inside and the bees lap the drops from the lid. syrup is a 1:1 solution of water and granulated sugar [roughly a 5 lb. bag to a gallon of water]. 7) as to why the colony is off to what appears to be a slow start, that could be caused by many factors. if forage is light, then they may be limited by their food supply. it sounds like you added a new queen to the nuc [you say on your website that you had 4 queens 'fight it out'.] if so, it may have taken her and the workers a little time to get acquainted and settle down. sometimes, they just plain start slow and then, bang, the colony really kicks into hear. 8) as for the queen cell, are you sure it is a queen cell and not a drone cell? you don't say where it is located on the frames. as my colony started to grow, i first saw only one or two drone cells [the bees 'know' they need workers preferentially to drones early on], and they really stuck out. once the colony got larger, there were lots of drone cells, and they didn't stand out as much. as i said, i checked out your website. very enjoyable. i felt like i was reading the continuing saga of bill and ted's excellent adventure [have to follow up on the 'potato cannon' someday], but it was very well done. couple of points: 1) nuc comes from nucleus, not nuclear. no radiation involved. 2) i'm not sure, but it looks like you set up 2 hives, each a single, ten frame box. i don't know if you're planning to start a second colony, but if you want your bees to stay put and not swarm, you probably want to add a second brood box to the colony, stacked on top of the first [once they draw out comb on most of the frames in the first box] just for the bees. then, you can add boxes [called 'supers'] above that for excess honey for yourselves. of course, i'm in new hampshire, where the winters are long and hard. maybe a single brood box is the way it's done out your way. another reason to check with a local beekeeper. 3) yes, some beekeepers paint their hives green to blend in. helps prevent vandalism and theft. good luck with your project. i really enjoyed reading about it and the way you guys just sort of hit the ground running. great pics, too. just remember that you have a responsibility to take proper care of your bees. you need to learn about all the diseases [like foulbrood] and parasites [like varroa mites] that can wipe out your colony, if you don't take the proper precautions. i, too, am in the process of putting together a beekeeping section at my website. sort of a primer by a newbie for newbies, based on what i've learned firsthand and from the great advice i've been given by this newsgroup. it should be up in a month or so, but maybe not soon enough to help you. if you want, email me, and i'll answer any questions i can. or, just post them here. you'll get lots of replies. hope this helps, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding Bees Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:21:24 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 24 Message-ID: <344C0394.58C0F411@valley.net> References: <62gpqg$n8i$1@news01.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-127.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) To: Tobin Fricke Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10051 Tobin Fricke wrote: > I've placed a zip-lock bag feeder (like > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/feeding.htm) on top of the > frames in my ten frame hive.. it's been a day and the bees seem completely > uninterested.. what does this mean? > > Tobin greetings, see my reply to your first post. they just may not be interested in syrup. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.109.1.106!ultraneo.neosoft.com!news.blkbox.COM!blkbox.com!danb From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: smelly honey Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:56:04 -0500 Organization: The Black Box, Houston, Tx (281) 480-2686 Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: blkbox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10052 Hi guys, Lately in the evenings a horrendous smell reminiscent of my brother's damp socks rotting for weeks under his bed has been wafting through my windows. I traced it to my hives out back. Fearing foulbrood I dived in and found exceptionally happy healthy girls putting up tons of some really rank smelling honey. Wish I was brave enough to taste it...should I? There's those tiny purple asters and lots of sneezeweed in bloom right now. We're surrounded by mostly grassy/weedy fields just outside of Houston. Anybody else with this problem? Any list of plants that cause this on the gulf coast? - Cynthia Buchsbaum Crosby, TX Article 10053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Victor S. Patterson" <"vsp@flash.net"@flash.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: smelly honey Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:50:32 -0500 Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 20 Message-ID: <62h6rj$n05$1@excalibur.flash.net> References: Reply-To: "vsp@flash.net"@flash.net NNTP-Posting-Host: hsh14-179.flash.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10053 danb@blkbox.com wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Lately in the evenings a horrendous smell reminiscent of my brother's damp > socks rotting for weeks under his bed has been wafting through my windows. > I traced it to my hives out back. Fearing foulbrood I dived in and found > exceptionally happy healthy girls putting up tons of some really rank > smelling honey. Wish I was brave enough to taste it...should I? There's > those tiny purple asters and lots of sneezeweed in bloom right now. > We're surrounded by mostly grassy/weedy fields just outside of Houston. > > Anybody else with this problem? Any list of plants that cause this on the > gulf coast? > - > Cynthia Buchsbaum > Crosby, TX It sounds like goldenrod, good for the bees, but the thick dark honey taste bad. Article 10054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hydromel Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:03:45 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 11 Message-ID: <344C29A1.390@ix.netcom.com> References: <62d55o$mpd$1@excalibur.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca14-23.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Oct 20 11:11:05 PM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10054 Victor S. Patterson wrote: > > Vivian, I have the information you were seeking on the above subject, > but your service is not accepting email. See if you can solve the > problem and let me know, I have been receiving your emails. Victor - Thanks for any update on hydromiel. My e mail address is: miel@ix.netcom.com Vivian Article 10055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: smelly honey Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:21:52 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <344c6442.217526666@news.earthlink.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.199.225 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10055 Cynthia, Sounds like your bees are bringing some nice aster to winter on! Nectar from aster flowers often produces a pungent odor while ripening in the hive. The final honey does not have any of that flavor, fortunately. Taste it while it's ripening?? You go first, and tell us how it is! Cheers, John in Dallas On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:56:04 -0500, wrote: >Hi guys, > >Lately in the evenings a horrendous smell reminiscent of my brother's damp >socks rotting for weeks under his bed has been wafting through my windows. >I traced it to my hives out back. Fearing foulbrood I dived in and found >exceptionally happy healthy girls putting up tons of some really rank >smelling honey. Wish I was brave enough to taste it...should I? There's >those tiny purple asters and lots of sneezeweed in bloom right now. >We're surrounded by mostly grassy/weedy fields just outside of Houston. > >Anybody else with this problem? Any list of plants that cause this on the >gulf coast? >- >Cynthia Buchsbaum >Crosby, TX > ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!gpo.ncc.dhl.com!weld.news.pipex.net!pipex!hose.news.pipex.net!pipex!grot.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!aber!not-for-mail From: "Trevor Sharples" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Freezing point of Honey Date: 21 Oct 1997 12:59:29 GMT Organization: WIRS Lines: 27 Message-ID: <01bcde21$9a1e5f20$064c7c90@tjs_office> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcfgcf.wir.aber.ac.uk X-Disclaimer: Warning - Sender not verified X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10056 Does any one have accurate information on the freezing point of honey? I suspect as it is a concentrated solution of sugar in water the freezing point will be very low. However I can find no information on it. I want to know because I want to store honey, in jars, outside in a shed during the winter. The climate is quite mild here in mid Wales with snow falling only every two years or so. Might there be some effect on the honey, apart from freezing and possibly granulation, that I have not thought of? -- ___________________________________________________________________ Trevor Sharples Welsh Intitute of Rural Studies Llanbadarn Fawr Aberystwyth Ceredigion Wales SY23 3AL Tel: 01970 621637 Fax: 01970 611264 email tjs@aber.ac.uk http:\\www.aber.ac.uk\~tjs ___________________________________________________________________ Article 10057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.109.1.106!ultraneo.neosoft.com!news.blkbox.COM!blkbox.com!danb From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: smelly honey Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:20:57 -0500 Organization: The Black Box, Houston, Tx (281) 480-2686 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <344c6442.217526666@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blkbox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <344c6442.217526666@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10057 Thank you one and all for replies both private and public. Just for the record, I've kept hives for the last 5 years, and this is the first time I've noticed this. In the past my hives have been a little weak going into the fall due to my struggle with the learning curve. I should have looked all these blooming weeds up in my plant books. Bitter sneezeweed, wild ageratum, and aster are all related to the Asteraceae (Sunflower) family. On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, John Caldeira wrote: > > Taste it while it's ripening?? You go first, and tell us how it is! > Oh, this is a brave bunch! :-) - Cynthia Article 10058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEES THAT SURVIVE VARROA Date: 21 Oct 1997 13:25:13 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <19971021132501.JAA12773@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <9710171857522724@beenet.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10058 >They do report the absence of AFB in Brazil, but what about the viruses >and other bee pathogens? Information from Meise VIA personal conversation with David Miksa, Oct 1997. There seems to be a PROBLEM with EFB? at least that's what they think it is in many parts of Brazil. I do not know if the Island off Brazil has the same EFB? ALTHOUGH there is a movement to make a national standard for all Brazil honey to be ORGANIC, the movement stems from cheaper honey from the south of them,,,a via from china!!! Article 10059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What is SUE BEE? Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:59:00 GMT Message-ID: <9710210726322727@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 85 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10059 What is Sue Bee? Sue Bee is the only Honey label found in stores nation wide and belongs to the SIOUX HONEY ASSOCIATION, a agricultural cooperative under Iowa and US Law. To be a member of Sue you must be a honey producer and membership is open to all US beekeepers including native Americans but I am not sure there are many in the SIOUX Honey Association today and I am sure the day is close when there will have to be some name changes but that is just one of the management decisions to be made by the beekeepers who make up the board of directors and run the co-op. The board is elected by the 367 honey producer members from the 13 districts covering the US from coast to coast. Sue also has one member from Canada, and one in Mexico. Membership is open to US producers and requires some effort and time to become a member who must demonstrate the production of the types of quality honey packed by Sue. Interested producers should not wait to be asked to join. In 1996, the last year records are available for the co-op had 191 members who produced less then 40,000 pounds, and 33 who produced more then 250,000 which demonstrates that Sue is not just for the large commercial honey producer but is divided fairly equally between the two groups with the largest producers delivering about 43% of the honey packed and the smaller delivering 7%, all have the same standing in a coop and one man's vote carries no more weight then the others. Sue bee's main product is table honey or honey packed for retail. This requires much mild flavored and light colored honey such as clover which is packed in mostly liquid in clear glass and plastic containers which are the products in demand by the consumers in the US. In 1996 the main area for this type of honey was Minnesota, 6.5 million pounds delivered, followed by North Dakota with 5 million pounds, and South Dakota with 4.6 million pounds. For those who like to make a big deal about the Mexico and Canadian members production in 1996 78,997 pounds came from the Mexican member and 41,464 from the Canadian member. The total amount of honey produced by all of the members of Sue in 1996 was 31,929,241 pounds, and the total bottled was 26,805,784 pounds, sold in bulk to the Bakery trade was 12,731,416 pounds, and Clover honey sold bulk was 3,143,055 pounds. Yep, Sue bee does buy honey outside of its co-op membership, and they buy it from both domestic and on the world market and buy it cheep to increase the returns for the producing members who own the co-op. 1995 and 1996 were short crop years for much of Sue's honey producers so in 1996 14,245,688 pounds of honey purchases were made from non-members to add to the 31,929,241 pounds delivered by members and 8,056,420 pounds of honey carried over from the 1995 crop. This all made 1996 a good year from Sue Bee, with $57,654,561 in sales from 42,680,255 pounds sold and returned a record $.8930 cent per pound for the honey delivered by the producing members. Sue Bee is not the largest honey packer in the United States, but it is the only one owned and managed by 367 honey producing beekeepers and the only one that has a national label and spends as much on honey promotion as the rest of the honey packing industry put together and also in addition pays its part of the National Honey Promotion tax and I must add without the enforcement costs necessary to collect from some of the other packers who if you are interested are now wanting to double the assessment on honey no doubt to promote more imported honey and thicker carpets in the NHB offices. About the future and the 1997 crop of honey. Sue Bee is like any other business and must remain competitive. The crop may be short, but the price of imported honey has declined and domestic producers are not helping by making distress sales at fire sale prices. Sue Bee expects that because of this the earning on the 1997 crop will be about five cents less then the 1996 crop and has resisted lowering their prices on quality glass type honey, but has lost much bulk honey business and can not predict how long they will be able to hold the price without an adjustment to confirm with the market. ttul, the OLd Drone PS. Help the OLd Drone get a new noise by buying his latest Beekeepers Gift, a Pop-Out POOH Bear book and two bee fan chain pulls for $23.00 pp US. (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://suebee.com (Looking Beeter EveryDay) Article 10060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: smelly honey Date: 21 Oct 1997 11:51:05 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 52 Message-ID: <01bcde17$4c8797e0$aa6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <62h6rj$n05$1@excalibur.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-42.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Oct 21 6:51:05 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10060 Victor S. Patterson <"vsp@flash.net"@flash.net> wrote in article <62h6rj$n05$1@excalibur.flash.net>... | danb@blkbox.com wrote: | > Lately in the evenings a horrendous smell reminiscent of my brother's damp | > socks rotting for weeks under his bed has been wafting through my windows. | > I traced it to my hives out back. Fearing foulbrood I dived in and found | > exceptionally happy healthy girls putting up tons of some really rank | > smelling honey. Wish I was brave enough to taste it...should I? There's | > those tiny purple asters and lots of sneezeweed in bloom right now. | > We're surrounded by mostly grassy/weedy fields just outside of Houston. | > | > Anybody else with this problem? Any list of plants that cause this on the | > gulf coast? | > - | It sounds like goldenrod, good for the bees, but the thick dark honey | taste bad. Taste is a VERY individual thing - some folks LOVE goldenrod or even honeydew while others only like the light honeys - fact is I have had folks taste test light and dark and about half of them like dark and other half light - first time I had someone tell me the dark honey (not the norm for area - possibly soybean honey) was SOOOO much better than my best light honey it really shocked me - but ya know what you can often sell both light and dark to same family if ya let them have a taste as the split OFTEN occurs even within a family so they gotta get both to keep everybody happy ya see Strong honey is good used in recipes where you want honey flavor to come through even though not much honey is in the recipe. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 10061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: smelly honey Date: 21 Oct 1997 15:47:05 GMT Lines: 33 Message-ID: <19971021154701.LAA19994@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <62h6rj$n05$1@excalibur.flash.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10061 In article <62h6rj$n05$1@excalibur.flash.net>, "Victor S. Patterson" <"vsp@flash.net"@flash.net> writes: >danb@blkbox.com wrote: >> >> Hi guys, >> >> Lately in the evenings a horrendous smell reminiscent of my brother's damp >> socks rotting for weeks under his bed has been wafting through my windows. >> I traced it to my hives out back. Fearing foulbrood I dived in and found >> exceptionally happy healthy girls putting up tons of some really rank >> smelling honey. Wish I was brave enough to taste it...should I? There's >> those tiny purple asters and lots of sneezeweed in bloom right now. >> We're surrounded by mostly grassy/weedy fields just outside of Houston. >> >> Anybody else with this problem? Any list of plants that cause this on the >> gulf coast? >> - >> Cynthia Buchsbaum >> Crosby, TX >It sounds like goldenrod, good for the bees, but the thick dark honey >taste bad. > Maybe in YOUR area. In many eastern locations goldenrod is one of the nicest honeys - very spicy tasting. The smell and the rankness is gone when the honey is capped. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Practical Pollination Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 10062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding Bees Date: 21 Oct 1997 15:47:06 GMT Lines: 28 Message-ID: <19971021154700.LAA20850@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <62gpqg$n8i$1@news01.deltanet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10062 In article <62gpqg$n8i$1@news01.deltanet.com>, "Tobin Fricke" writes: > I've placed a zip-lock bag feeder (like >http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/feeding.htm) on top of the >frames in my ten frame hive.. it's been a day and the bees seem completely >uninterested.. what does this mean? They may not have noticed it. I always try to slop a little around, to get them excited about the new food source. Dribble a little on the top bars and overtop the bag -- not enough to run down through the hive. It can also indicate sick bees. When we had bees that were heavily infested with tracheal mites, we could not get them to take feed. No how. They all died. The second is less likely, as we have culled out a lot of the weak bees. Just covering all bases, not trying to get you needlessly worried. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Practical Pollination Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 10063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Freezing point of Honey Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:00:44 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bcde21$9a1e5f20$064c7c90@tjs_office> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqhQl7U5JyTsf+y> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10063 In article <01bcde21$9a1e5f20$064c7c90@tjs_office>, Trevor Sharples writes >I want to know because I want to store honey, in jars, outside in a shed >during the winter. Trevor, I don't know the freezing point, but I don't think storing your honey in a cold place will do it much harm. Oil-seed rape honey placed in a freezer whilst still liquid, will return to the liquid state when thawed out. -- Tom Speight Article 10064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Len A. Davis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Test Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:27:59 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <62j02g$se6$1@usenet89.supernews.com> References: <6265gr$fe7$1@usenet85.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 29126@204.145.251.109 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10064 Test Len A. Davis wrote in message <6265gr$fe7$1@usenet85.supernews.com>... >Test > > Article 10065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Thom Bradley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: smelly honey Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:54:22 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 15 Message-ID: <344D329E.41E4@ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: nor-va3-17.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Oct 21 5:53:55 PM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10065 danb@blkbox.com wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Lately in the evenings a horrendous smell reminiscent of my brother's damp > socks rotting for weeks under his bed has been wafting through my windows. > I traced it to my hives out back. Fearing foulbrood I dived in and found > exceptionally happy healthy girls putting up tons of some really rank > smelling honey. Welcome to the worse smelling honey in the world. Aster is foul and it smells like foulbrood. No doubt that's what you've got. The bees eat it just fine for the winter but it smells and tastes awful. The odor will eventually depart. Leave the honey for the bees. Thom Bradley Article 10066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: smelly honey Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:33:54 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 53 Message-ID: <344D49F2.81FE3686@valley.net> References: <62h6rj$n05$1@excalibur.flash.net> <01bcde17$4c8797e0$aa6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-145.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10066 Jack Griffes wrote: > Taste is a VERY individual thing - some folks LOVE goldenrod or > even honeydew while others only like the light honeys - fact is > I have had folks taste test light and dark and about half of > them like dark and other half light - first time I had someone > tell me the dark honey (not the norm for area - possibly soybean > honey) was SOOOO much better than my best light honey it really > shocked me - but ya know what you can often sell both light and > dark to same family if ya let them have a taste as the split > OFTEN occurs even within a family so they gotta get both to keep > everybody happy ya see > > Strong honey is good used in recipes where you want honey flavor > to come through even though not much honey is in the recipe. > > -- > Jack Griffes > Ottawa Lake, MI > USA > e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com > Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ > > "Always be nice to other people, > they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." > - Steve White! " taste sure is subjective. i am by no means a honey connoisseur, and i can't tell if my honey is light or dark. but, a few weeks ago i managed to taste a 'smackeral' of honey that dripped from some slightly damaged comb in the first super i [ever] took off my hive [haven't extracted, yet]. it was the best stuff i ever tasted, and a moment i will long remember. maybe there is a LITTLE bias associated with having raised the bees that made it. all right, there is a lot of bias. it probably wouldn't matter if their nectar source was pure clover or pure ______ <--- fill in the flower that, in your opinion, makes the worst flavored honey. all i know is that it was mmmmm delish. hopefully, in a few years i'll be able to tell the difference. but, for now, i'll revel in my naiveté. :)) i suspect that most beekeepers feel that their honey tastes the best. and the great thing is, since taste is so subjective, they are all right! bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Freezing point of Honey Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:12:06 -0400 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 126 Message-ID: <344D6F06.20ABF5E7@ne.mediaone.net> References: <01bcde21$9a1e5f20$064c7c90@tjs_office> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------67738CE60CF93D3A46437F14" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Trevor Sharples X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10067 --------------67738CE60CF93D3A46437F14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trevor, I don't know either what the freezing temperature of honey is (to freeze it solid), but freezing honey in a freezer (~25 F) is one of the best ways to keep honey from crystallizing... however if you put honey in an outside spot that will eventually freeze you will definitely crystallize the honey during the transitions from warm to freezing and again from freezing to warm. This is not because the honey has been frozen but because it spent too much time at 55 F - 60 F, the temperatures during which the most rapid crystallization occurs. If you store your jars in the warm house until your shed reaches freezing temperatures and bring it into the warm house again when things begin to warm up, you should have little to no crystallization. As to other possible effects, I once won a first prize at a large and highly competitive honey show with some honey that had been frozen for a couple months, so freezing didn't seem to affect the things that those honey judges looked for. Kathy Trevor Sharples wrote: > Does any one have accurate information on the freezing point of > honey? I > suspect as it is a concentrated solution of sugar in water the > freezing > point will be very low. However I can find no information on it. > > I want to know because I want to store honey, in jars, outside in a > shed > during the winter. The climate is quite mild here in mid Wales with > snow > falling only every two years or so. Might there be some effect on the > > honey, apart from freezing and possibly granulation, that I have not > thought of? > -- > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Trevor Sharples > > Welsh Intitute of Rural Studies > Llanbadarn Fawr > Aberystwyth > Ceredigion > Wales > SY23 3AL > > Tel: 01970 621637 > Fax: 01970 611264 > > email tjs@aber.ac.uk > http:\\www.aber.ac.uk\~tjs > ___________________________________________________________________ --------------67738CE60CF93D3A46437F14 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trevor,
I don't know either what the freezing temperature of honey is (to freeze it solid), but freezing honey in a freezer (~25 F) is one of the best ways to keep honey from crystallizing... however if you put honey in an outside spot that will eventually freeze you will definitely crystallize the honey during the transitions from warm to freezing and again from freezing to warm.  This is not because the honey has been frozen but because it spent too much time at 55 F - 60 F, the temperatures during which the most rapid crystallization occurs.

If you store your jars in the warm house until your shed reaches freezing temperatures and bring it into the warm house again when things begin to warm up, you should have little to no crystallization.

As to other possible effects, I once won a first prize at a large and highly competitive honey show with some honey that had been frozen for a couple months, so freezing didn't seem to affect the things that those honey judges looked  for.

Kathy

Trevor Sharples wrote:

Does any one have accurate information on the freezing point of honey?  I
suspect as it is a concentrated solution of sugar in water the freezing
point will be very low.  However I can find no information on it.

I want to know because I want to store honey, in jars, outside in a shed
during the winter.  The climate is quite mild here in mid Wales with snow
falling only every two years or so.  Might there be some effect on the
honey, apart from freezing and possibly granulation, that I have not
thought of?
--
___________________________________________________________________

Trevor Sharples

Welsh Intitute of Rural Studies
Llanbadarn Fawr
Aberystwyth
Ceredigion
Wales
SY23 3AL

Tel:  01970 621637
Fax:  01970 611264

email tjs@aber.ac.uk
http:\\www.aber.ac.uk\~tjs
___________________________________________________________________

   --------------67738CE60CF93D3A46437F14-- Article 10068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Japanese Honey, subsidies, and free markets. Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:01:31 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 11 Message-ID: <344E85CB.5CAC@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d8.dial-10.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10068 I was in Japan a few years ago and seemed to notice that honey costs a whole lot more than in the US. I wonder why? Maybe US honey growers should pressure to break a tarrif if that is the reason. Or couse, a free market does not exist anywhere in agriculture. How many US growers are subsidized? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 10069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news1.best.com!207.20.0.50.MISMATCH!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Victor S. Patterson" <"vsp@flash.net"@flash.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Goldenrod Honey Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:23:15 -0500 Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 17 Message-ID: <62m5r6$jrg$1@excalibur.flash.net> Reply-To: "vsp@flash.net"@flash.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.135.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10069 I always find it interesting to get a bunch of beekeeper together, the points of view are so different and goldenrod honey is a good example. I have been a hobbiest beekeeper for a long time and the only time that I had to move hives was when goldenrod was producing. The odor was so offensive that I began to get complaints. Goldenrod is the only honey that I have had to sour in the comb, but this is not a yearly event in the Houston area if fact it is rare in my experience. It is usually a good source of fall honey and best left in the hive for the bees in my opinon. I do agree that taste is very subjective and admit to being in the camp of the mild flavored honey fans, however I don't think goldenrod honey in this area could be called spicy. Once cured it dosen't taste as bad as you would think from the smell while being collected but it rates as one of my least favorite honeys. Since I find the taste so unpleasent I would not suggest that anyone attempt to use it fresh and can't imagine why you would ruin the flavor of other foods with it, so I stick with my suggestion to leave it in the hive. Article 10070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.sprintisp.com!sprintisp!not-for-mail From: TOM Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: smelly honey Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:08:21 -0700 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <344EA385.507912A6@sprintmail.com> References: Reply-To: tlen@sprintmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.133.227.21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) To: danb@blkbox.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10070 Dear Cynthia....."Smelly honey". It is FOULBROOD, probably, a "malignant contagious disease affecting the brood. American is caused by bacillus larvae, and European is caused by streptococcus pluton." There will be odor at the entrance, even when there is no dead larve in the cells. You might find the old queen dead at the entrance to the hive(s), and do look, sniff all the hives. She was probably killed by poisons that were sprayed or dusted in the area. Anyway, look in the center of a frame to find the queen and check on the babes. If she is not ok, a new one may make things recover, because you need new babes in the cells. Also, the bees gathering from goldenrod can give a potent smell that disappears later. Is it that? This is quick, and I am from the Pacific Northwest, not the gulf coast, but email me if I can offer any more. Been keeping buzzers for about 25 years. Iona@aol.com danb@blkbox.com wrote: > Hi guys, > > Lately in the evenings a horrendous smell reminiscent of my brother's damp > socks rotting for weeks under his bed has been wafting through my windows. > I traced it to my hives out back. Fearing foulbrood I dived in and found > exceptionally happy healthy girls putting up tons of some really rank > smelling honey. Wish I was brave enough to taste it...should I? There's > those tiny purple asters and lots of sneezeweed in bloom right now. > We're surrounded by mostly grassy/weedy fields just outside of Houston. > > Anybody else with this problem? Any list of plants that cause this on the > gulf coast? > - > Cynthia Buchsbaum > Crosby, TX Article 10071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: George Styer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Partially filled supers Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:32:03 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 34 Message-ID: <62mjro$r73@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: GSTYER@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.100.117 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10071 It is unusually "sping-like" in California's central valley (80 today) and my bugs are still bringing in quite a bit of nectar and pollen. I thought the flow was done for when they stopped bringing in the distinct pale yellow of Star Thistle for about a week. Nothing was happening so I removed and extracted 3 shallow supers a few weeks ago and returned them to the bees for clean up. An inspection a few days later revealed they began to continue to fill the bottom one. This nectar is nearly clear so something else is still going although I have not seen anything this clear in prior years so I'm clueless, but this is beside the point. I know I need to get some strips and TM in before the brood rearing stops and hopefully can get thru 2 brood cycles but now I have a half filled super (about half of that capped). I can clear the bees out easy enough but really don't have any way of storing this partially filled super and would just like to leave it in place. Here is my thought for your critique. What if I put the inner cover below the super with a bee escape in place, put the strips and TM in the brood chambers and just leave the super in place during the required treatment period? Will I contaminate the honey even thought the bees can't get to it? BTW, there is no way the bees will need this for the winter so leaving it for them is not really an option. It will just sit there unused until the citrus starts and I don't want to contaminate it. The deeps are packed with brood, honey and pollen and winters here are short and mild. BTW, since the central valley is so varied in climate and flora I guess I should say that the location is Sacramento. As side Q's: How does one get the bees to clean out the extracted supers without using them for storage? Putting them in the open just invites the German yellow jackets. Any info on El Nino and its potential impact on quantity, quality and duration of nectar flows? Could this be a factor in why I'm still seeing alot of nectar and pollen coming in at the end of Oct? Article 10072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Eva Wessels" Subject: Re: Beekeeping resources/California Organization: UCDMC Message-ID: <01bcdf76$e91c1d00$c8b72299@omnibook> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:45:54 -0700 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews02 Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10072 I am in Sacramento, California and would like to hear from anyone who might be able to refer me to beekeepers or suppliers of beekeeping equipment in my area. Please contact me at rwessels@msn.com, thank you. Robert Wessels Article 10073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!quark.scn.rain.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey wanted. Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:41:46 -0700 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 30 Message-ID: <344EF1AA.A06@teleport.com> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-22.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10073 Hello, I run a small beekeeping operation in the Eugene, Oregon area. I'm looking to purchase honey from quality-concerned beekeepers to fill nation wide orders. Most of the honey would be purchased in 5 gallon buckets (some drums) that would be shipped directly to the customer from your site. I evision a business relationship with several beekeepers around the country that would be something like this: - I would provide you with labels and buckets. - I would e-mail or fax you shipping information for an order. - You would fill the order using the buckets and labels I provided. - You'll provide liquid (de-crystalized) raw honey of the highest quality as described below. - I would send payment for the honey within 30 days of shipment. Quality Honey: My customers are very concerned about the quality of the honey they use. I want to be able to assure them that chemicals were not used while the honey supers were on the hives. Heating of the honey must be kept to a minimum. I want the honey to contain as many of those subtle flavors as possible. If you think that you can consistently provide quality honey, and you would be interested in a relationship like this, please contact me. I look forward to hearing from you, Paul Cauthorn Article 10074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Partially filled supers Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:31:51 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 44 Message-ID: <344F6DE7.4C71@ix.netcom.com> References: <62mjro$r73@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca9-48.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Oct 23 10:40:14 AM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10074 George Styer wrote: > > It is unusually "sping-like" in California's central valley (80 today) > and my bugs are still bringing in quite a bit of nectar and pollen. I > thought the flow was done for when they stopped bringing in the distinct > pale yellow of Star Thistle for about a week. Nothing was happening so I > removed and extracted 3 shallow supers a few weeks ago and returned them > to the bees for clean up. An inspection a few days later revealed they > began to continue to fill the bottom one. This nectar is nearly clear so > something else is still going although I have not seen anything this > clear in prior years so I'm clueless, but this is beside the point. I > know I need to get some strips and TM in before the brood rearing stops > and hopefully can get thru 2 brood cycles but now I have a half filled > super (about half of that capped). I can clear the bees out easy enough > but really don't have any way of storing this partially filled super and > would just like to leave it in place. Here is my thought for your > critique. What if I put the inner cover below the super with a bee > escape in place, put the strips and TM in the brood chambers and just > leave the super in place during the required treatment period? Will I > contaminate the honey even thought the bees can't get to it? BTW, there > is no way the bees will need this for the winter so leaving it for them > is not really an option. It will just sit there unused until the citrus > starts and I don't want to contaminate it. The deeps are packed with > brood, honey and pollen and winters here are short and mild. BTW, since > the central valley is so varied in climate and flora I guess I should > say that the location is Sacramento. > > As side Q's: > > How does one get the bees to clean out the extracted supers without > using them for storage? Putting them in the open just invites the German > yellow jackets. > > Any info on El Nino and its potential impact on quantity, quality and > duration of nectar flows? Could this be a factor in why I'm still seeing > alot of nectar and pollen coming in at the end of Oct? George: my hives are in Walnut Creek, in No. California, and I have had the same problem as you. It seems that the girls never stop collecting nectar, so when to put in the strips and TM is a great question and what to do with those partially filled supers is a true dilemma. I hope people reply and give us some ideas. vivian Article 10075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wvapiaries@aol.com (WVApiaries) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation Maker Date: 23 Oct 1997 16:15:30 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19971023161500.MAA27878@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <344ADE50.328C@teleport.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10075 Hi, Thorne's address is thorne@dial.pipex.com or http://www.thorne.co.uk they have a "leaf products" metal die type press, they also act as a agents for other manufacturers a good one that I use was thru them but from Thomas (the French bee people) it is a flexible two leaf job. When I was down there a few months ago they had a 6 1/2" metal roller press for 450 pounds UK, worth it if your doing a lot. Hope this has been of use. Gareth. Article 10076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ais.net!howland.erols.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ph-274 From: username@server.ru.ac.za (Your Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Japanese Honey, subsidies, and free markets. Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 17:07:08 GMT Organization: Rhodes University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <62o07u$n8t@quagga.ru.ac.za> References: <344E85CB.5CAC@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ph-274.lab.ru.ac.za X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10076 Marc Andelman wrote: >I was in Japan a few years ago and seemed to notice >that honey costs a whole lot more than in the US. > >I wonder why? Maybe US honey growers should pressure >to break a tarrif if that is the reason. >Or couse, a free market does not exist anywhere in agriculture. > >How many US growers are subsidized? Most US products are subsidised. But, when I say subsidised, I actually mean that producers in the US use fuel which is not taxed. Given how expensive fuel is in other countries it follows that this policy is actually a virtual subsidisation as most economists consider it to be a normal policy to tax fuel so as to avoid enourmous and seemingly incurable debt traps due to meagre tax collections. So yes, the US may be a competitive honey producer in the short term due to low production costs because it is cheap to lug wood around and make it into hives and to plant lots of alfalfa and sunflowers and move hives thousands of kilometers to do so, but the hidden costs are not visible and maybe the japanese price is a more honest reflection of the true value of honey? In other words, the Japanese have taxed their local honey producers and taxed their peoples fuel usage to invest in a country which in the future can stand on it's own feet if something goes wrong. They have not created an economy where honey is reliant on long distance transport due to a fuel source that is being used irresponsibly and without a substitute. I know that in Zimbabwe the price of honey is Z$90 a bottle which is about U$10 a pound. We here in SA would love to export accross the border as that is about 4 times what I get, but they have a sensible ban on importing any honey products as it may bring viruses that will kill the bees that are more important as a crop pollinator than as a honey supplier. That is sensible. Maybe Japan has a similar reason? It could be that they fear that the honey imported from the US will have large numbers of mutated varroa born virions that, due to change in host range will come back and erase their local A.cerana (the orignal host of varroa) population? Just a number of thoughts Keep well Garth > >Regards, >Marc Andelman Article 10077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!garnet.nbnet.nb.ca!agate.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail From: K Cormier Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: propolis Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:05:04 -0300 Organization: NBTel Internet Lines: 4 Message-ID: <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: rhsyts07c03.nbnet.nb.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10077 I am interested to know where in the bee hive I would find propolis. I have been told people use it for a remedy. Anyone know anything about it. Article 10078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: just an update and a question on temperature Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 10:36:17 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 64 Message-ID: <17C0E9524S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <344A684D.63D0890D@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10078 In article <344A684D.63D0890D@valley.net> bill greenrose writes: > > ... my bees are still active. living in new hampshire, i expected the >season to end a few weeks ago.... It ain't over until it's over. Yogi Bera > ... full pollen baskets. from where they're getting the >stuff, i don't know. maybe a few late-blooming asters and goldenrod? >the weather has been unusually warm this late in the season... Asters perhaps, golden rod is past. Probably late wild geranium (blooming now in upstate New York). > ... i've delayed buttoning >them up for the winter, until we get some consistently cold [nighttime >temps regularly in the 20's and daytime temps around 40?] weather. Perhaps a mistake. Wait until the weather changes and you may have waited too long. The warm weather we've been having is atypical and it WILL change any day now. By this Saturday you may find yourself wishing you had shut things down last week when it was near 70 dF. >entrance reducer and mouse guard, and inverted their vent box a few >weeks ago, Vent boxes? Are you using D.E. Hives? >so i don't think the cool nights [generally in the 30's] are >stressing them out too badly. The stress of the winter doesn't exert itself until very early spring (what some consider late winter). > >question: do others see their bees active in such cool weather?... Yes, the bees are still active. They WILL cluster up when the cold stuff arrives tomorrow, but they will break and forage when we get some warm days that are sure to follow in November. > ... my assumption [always >dangerous] is that they are warm enough in the hive to give it a shot, >and in the sun it's warm enough for them to keep active. does this make >sense? Bees don't heat the entire hive interior, they just heat the cluster. There is a very insightful article on the winter cluster in the October ABJ written by Wyatt Magnum - a must read article! Don't delay, close 'em up. Better too early than waiting too late. Today is the last good forecast day for as long as the weatherman is willing to forecast. Better to have bees foraging from a winter tight hive that wishing you'd get a nice late fall day to make those hives winter tight. It HAS been fantastic fall weather, no? I just closed 'em up this past weekend and still have a bit of fall medication (Fumidil and TM) to do. Will pull Apistan strips sometime in mid December, but do as I say, not as I do. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 10079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.62.3!news.cyberhighway.net!not-for-mail From: "Joseph" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Caucasians Date: 23 Oct 1997 23:33:33 GMT Organization: CyberHighway Internet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bce00c$6e500aa0$05e91ace@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.26.233.5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10079 I am a new beekeeper and I have decided to start with Caucasian queens next spring. I would value hearing from anyone who has kept or has any insight on Caucasians. I have tried to contact an outfit called Smokey Mtn. Bees in TN to order Caucasian queens and some packages next spring but can get no response from them. Does anyone know if they are still in business or can you recommend some other supplier of Caucasians? Joseph Article 10080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jgalbra113@aol.com (JGalbra113) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEES THAT SURVIVE VARROA Date: 24 Oct 1997 00:12:36 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <19971024001200.UAA05147@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <344B0591.2B47C965@calwest.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10080 I live in Dayton Ohio and there are almost no feral hives nearby. The reason I say this is I have lived in the same one acre spot for several years an have seen few bees. Even though !/4 of our yard is in flowers and clover fills the rest . This last year my friend and I placed two hives of Midnight bees in the two acres we own. A first the hive went great then about a month ago we noticed a decline in bees. A week later the area bee inspector came by and said we have varroa. We are torn about using apastan,but we don't want to lose the bees. Is it too late to remove honey and then treat the bees or should we treat them and leave the first year honey to help them winter over. Thanks Frank. Article 10081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.unisys.com.br!not-for-mail From: "Fabio de Almeida Lo Prete" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thank you! Date: 24 Oct 1997 00:13:54 GMT Organization: Macsys Informatica LTDA Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bcda2b$16097a20$3802dcc8@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: riopm04p23.unisys.com.br X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10081 I'd like to Thank you for everyone who gave me a way to get my bee picture. i have already got one and i liked a lot. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Fabio From Rio de Janeiro, BRAZIL. Article 10082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:49:31 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 13 Message-ID: <62ouqs$bha$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp03.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10082 In article <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca>, K Cormier wrote: >I am interested to know where in the bee hive I would find propolis. I >have been told people use it for a remedy. Anyone know anything about >it. > Mike the Beekeeper swears that propolis has medicinal properties. He will often carry a sticky ball of it around with him as if it were a ball of opium. He chews some of it when he starts to feel sick or if he has a toothache. Propolis is called "bee glue". It is grayish in color. Since it is used by the bees to glue their hive closed, you will find lots of it under the top cover, where they have tried to glue the top cover down onto the hive body so that the top cover can't be removed. Article 10083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.1.48.12!newsfeed.usit.net!199.1.48.11.MISMATCH!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghall@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 02:07:52 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <34500171.1586433@news.usit.net> References: <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.221.11 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10083 On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:05:04 -0300, K Cormier wrote: >I am interested to know where in the bee hive I would find propolis. I >have been told people use it for a remedy. Anyone know anything about >it. You will find propolis in any and every crack in the hive. Between hive bodies, where frames sit on babbet, between inside cover and hive body and between frames. The amount of propolis depends on the race of bees you have. I have some bees that produce an extreme amount and some that produce very little. I don't know what kind of remedy you plan to use it for but don't get in on anything thing you don't want stuck together. It would probably do a good job of holding in dentures. Article 10084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Partially filled supers Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:53:25 -0400 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 39 Message-ID: <34500DA5.B187D839@ne.mediaone.net> References: <62mjro$r73@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9840F86B090E7FA240246740" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: GSTYER@worldnet.att.net X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10084 --------------9840F86B090E7FA240246740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Styer wrote: > > How does one get the bees to clean out the extracted supers without > using them for storage? Putting them in the open just invites the > German > yellow jackets. > George, Did you put them back on the hive above the inner cover? We've experienced that our bees seem to treat anything above the cover as feed and not storage space. 'Course, our climate and flows are different. --------------9840F86B090E7FA240246740 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Styer wrote:
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  --------------9840F86B090E7FA240246740-- Article 10085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:58:15 -0400 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 20 Message-ID: <34500EC7.B480FC11@ne.mediaone.net> References: <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca> <62ouqs$bha$1@nntp.pe.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10085 Peter Amschel wrote: > > Propolis is called "bee glue". It is grayish in color. All the propolis in our hives is a brownish rust color. We are in New England. Could this be a regional difference? or does Mike the beekeeper have alot of grey lint in his pocket? :-) > Since it is used by the > bees to glue their hive closed, you will find lots of it under the top > cover, > where they have tried to glue the top cover down onto the hive body so > that > the top cover can't be removed. We also find alot of it glueing the frames in place. Kathy Article 10086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Partially filled supers Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:46:28 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 37 Message-ID: <34501A14.16AC8F9D@valley.net> References: <62mjro$r73@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-162.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10086 George Styer wrote: > How does one get the bees to clean out the extracted supers without > using them for storage? Putting them in the open just invites the German > yellow jackets. > > greetings, the way i was taught, is to place the frames above the lid and remove the screen from one of the ventilation holes in the lid. the bees head up into the top, clean out the frames and retreat back down into the body of the hive. i have a vent box over the regular boxes and above the lid, so there is room. works really well. if you don't have such an arrangement, you could try putting an empty super above the lid and then hang a few frames at a time in it. with just a few frames the spacing won't be so inviting for them to build up there [it's late in the season, anyway, so they probably won't be too interested in building new comb up there.]. you could make it even less inviting by putting an empty super between the lid and the one with the frames to be cleaned [or place the empty box below the lid]. this way, they are significantly farther from the main body, yet only accessible to the bees. hope this helps, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!emph.com!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Partially filled supers Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:09:29 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <62mjro$r73@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <34501A14.16AC8F9D@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10087 In article <34501A14.16AC8F9D@valley.net>, bill greenrose writes >George Styer wrote: > >> How does one get the bees to clean out the extracted supers without >> using them for storage? Putting them in the open just invites the German >> yellow jackets. >> >> > >greetings, > >the way i was taught, is to place the frames above the lid and remove the >screen from one of the ventilation holes in the lid. And, funnily enough, I was taught the reverse!!! - I put the super UNDER the brood box. If this is done late on (during the last few weeks) then the Queen won't move down and lay. I also leave the last super underneath the brood box all winter - it acts as a barrier against draughts, mice, etc and can be used by the bees for extra storage if there is a late flow. In the spring I take the super off the bottom and put it back on top. The downside is that this is quite labour-intensive, and sometimes disturbs the bees more than I would like. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.emph.com/beehome Article 10088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.156.97.193!news.Destek.Net!not-for-mail From: Bill Truesdell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: smelly honey Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:22:17 -0700 Organization: The Destek Group, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3450CB39.C66@clinic.net> References: <344D329E.41E4@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: mister-t@clinic.net NNTP-Posting-Host: auglew-c70.clinic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10088 Thom Bradley wrote: > > danb@blkbox.com wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > Lately in the evenings a horrendous smell reminiscent of my brother's damp > > socks rotting for weeks under his bed has been wafting through my windows. > > I traced it to my hives out back. Fearing foulbrood I dived in and found > > exceptionally happy healthy girls putting up tons of some really rank > > smelling honey. > > Welcome to the worse smelling honey in the world. > Aster is foul and it smells like foulbrood. No doubt that's what you've > got. The bees eat it just fine for the winter but it smells and tastes > awful. The odor will eventually depart. Leave the honey for the bees. > Thom Bradley I would not feed it to the bees because it crystalizes rapidly. I take it off and it is excellent honey. I have found that people who do not eat honey like the light flavored honey, but those who use it a lot like the darker, more flavored honey. Ran a bunch of taste tests at fairs and it has proven out. If you are in a cold climate and the bees cannot make clensing flights often, the aster will promote dysentary which will result in weak colonies in the spring. I now overwinter with the lighter honey and the bees do fine. When I left the goldenrod/aster honey on, the bees did poorly. Now I super over an inner cover after I take off honey in late July, so the bees lay in all that good summer honey in the top box and I get the surplus fall honey in the supers. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Article 10089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!news.onramp.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE READ THIS Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:18:17 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 24 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <62rf77$f8q@library.airnews.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Fri Oct 24 19:41:11 1997 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal22-21.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10089 TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE please read this. I don't usually post my REAL name and address, but I'm doing this especially for you guys, so take note! I'd like to make it as easy on you as possible. I am a beekeeper, located in Texas. My name is Larry S. Farris and my address is 2019 East Kitty Hawk Drive, Allen, TX 75013. My e-mail address is: busykngt@airmail.net I won't be so open as to publically post my phone number, but if you'll e-mail me, I'll be ever so glad to give it to you. Now I'd like for you to read MY comment below: Two ounces of Mavrik mixed with one gallon of water and sprayed on the bottom boards of one's hives several times a year. It is reportedly very effective. Sincerely yours TDA, BusyKnight Dallas, TX Oh! P.S. - You may consider this as "criticizing regulations" !!! Article 10090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis Date: 25 Oct 1997 00:55:09 GMT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19971025005501.UAA10995@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34500171.1586433@news.usit.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10090 The latest I heard was propolis has been patented by a firm in VA as part of a new gum to take the place of cigarettes,,,or maybe chew. For real... David Miksa Article 10091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.114!iagnet.net!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: m12345@ihug.co.nz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Japanese Honey, subsidies, and free markets. Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 23:32:44 -0700 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3452E40C.61F1@ihug.co.nz> References: <344E85CB.5CAC@ultranet.com> Reply-To: m12345@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Host: p24-max19.auck.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10091 Marc Andelman wrote: > I was in Japan a few years ago and seemed to notice > that honey costs a whole lot more than in the US. > > I wonder why? Maybe US honey growers should pressure > to break a tarrif if that is the reason. > Or couse, a free market does not exist anywhere in agriculture. > > How many US growers are subsidized? r u asking questions..... or making statements? it certainly sounds like the latter.... in which case u might like to enlighten us all with a few FACTS (vs. speculative assumptions) first. Article 10092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter1!news.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10!thereisnocabal!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE READ THIS Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:11:16 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 17 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <62svba$r20@library.airnews.net> References: Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Oct 25 09:22:34 1997 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal21-16.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10092 busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) wrote: >TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE please read this. I'd like to ask anyone who disagrees with my right to post my views on this treatement of varroa, please send my posting to the Texas State Department of Agriculture along with your complaint. TDA, you MAY NOT interfer with my right of free speach. As our American forefathers said, "Don't Tred On Me" and as our Texican forefathers said, "Come and Take It". BusyKnight Dallas, TX Article 10093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Charles V. Soderquist" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Denver Snow Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 08:30:23 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3452108F.319E@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: ChuckSoderquist@.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.67.68.134 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10093 Denver got its first significant snowfall of the year yesterday and today and boy did we get swacked! Gov has declared a state wide emergency and called out the Guard to help all the stranded motorists on the eastern plains. We got about 15" here in SW Denver and reports of 18" to 20" on the east side of town. Overnite low of 15F. Checked my hives this morning and snow was up over bottom entrance. I did see a couple of bees flying yesterday though, during the blizzard. They must have had to go pretty bad. So much for the mild El Nino winter all of the weather guessers were predicting. Have to go shovel now, thanks for reading. -- Charles V. Soderquist (\ {|||8- (/ Bikes, bees, and bytes Article 10094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.174.67.209!news.bctel.net!news.rapidnet.net!not-for-mail From: ccgammon@bigfoot.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 15:31:00 GMT Organization: Rapidnet Technologies Internet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <62t6t4$271$1@news.rapidnet.net> References: <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca> <34500171.1586433@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 010.rapidnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10094 >On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:05:04 -0300, K Cormier >wrote: >>I am interested to know where in the bee hive I would find propolis. I >>have been told people use it for a remedy. Anyone know anything about >>it. Propolis is the best, natural antibotic you can obtain. Incalculably better and safer than currently-prescribed antibotics, which establish and feed yeast infections. -Craig Gammon Gould Family History: http://www.jwp.bc.ca/greatlakes/robgould/mainpage.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "What does it profit a man, if he gains the whole world, and yet loses his own soul?" Article 10095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: HDC <75210.1612@CompuServe.COM> Subject: rhododendrons and honey Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736) Message-ID: <#Rl89GY48GA.353@nih2naac.prod2.compuserve.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:08:19 -0400 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!149.174.211.138!compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nih2naac Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10095 I am considering taking up beekeeping as a hobby next spring. What concerns me is that I have heard that honey produced by bees harvesting from rhododendrons and azaleas is poisonous to both humans and bees. Since I live in a suburb that has many of these plants, I am concerned.  Does anyone know about this matter?  Thank you. --  Article 10096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.200.9!news.fidnet.com!not-for-mail From: John Brackman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:15:46 -0700 Organization: Fidelity Communications, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34527DA2.BDF@fidnet.com> References: <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca> <34500171.1586433@news.usit.net> <62t6t4$271$1@news.rapidnet.net> Reply-To: judge20@fidnet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sullivan-mo-73.fidnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10096 ccgammon@bigfoot.com wrote: > > >On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:05:04 -0300, K Cormier > >wrote: > > >>I am interested to know where in the bee hive I would find propolis. I > >>have been told people use it for a remedy. Anyone know anything about > >>it. > > Propolis is the best, natural antibotic you can obtain. Incalculably > better and safer than currently-prescribed antibotics, which establish > and feed yeast infections. > > -Craig Gammon > Gould Family History: > http://www.jwp.bc.ca/greatlakes/robgould/mainpage.htm > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > "What does it profit a man, if he gains the whole world, > and yet loses his own soul?" I think Hippocrates used proppolis as his fix things medicine Article 10097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: malka@webnet.com.ar Subject: "Baby Nuclei" (old bee book) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:52:45 -0600 Message-ID: <877829322.24650@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 26 01:28:42 1997 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: malka@webnet.com.ar X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; AK; Windows 95) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 200.16.128.39 () Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10097 Does anyboby have the book entitled "Baby Nuclei"? It was written by Eugene Pratt in 1904 and it was published by the A.I. Root Co. I am interested in either purchasing this book or getting a photocopy of it. Off course I would pay in advance for the expenses involved. Please let me know whether someone is willing to help. Thanks in advance. Martin Braunstein e-mail: malka@webnet.com.ar -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 10098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34526E8E.58D8@together.net> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:11:26 +0000 From: hector@together.net Reply-To: hector@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Observation hive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-108-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Organization: Together Networks - Burlington, VT. Lines: 6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.97.120.24!news.together.net!dial-108-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10098 Hello, Does anyone have plans for an observation hive I can keep in my classroom? JZ Article 10099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Ken Lawrence" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation hive Date: 26 Oct 1997 02:53:52 GMT Organization: Preferred Company Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bce1ba$5d0979c0$f262420c@packard-bell> References: <34526E8E.58D8@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.98.242 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10099 hector@together.net wrote in article <34526E8E.58D8@together.net>... > Hello, > > Does anyone have plans for an observation hive I can keep in my > classroom? > > JZ > Hello JZ Check out http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Ken Lawrence Article 10100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation hive Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 02:33:30 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3452a7b9.34370560@news.earthlink.net> References: <34526E8E.58D8@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.99.149 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10100 hector@together.net wrote: >Does anyone have plans for an observation hive I can keep in my >classroom? You might get some ideas from the observation hive photos on my website: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ There is also a hive design shown on: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html My favorite book on the subject is "The Observation Hive" by Karl Showler. Plenty of photos and a good historical perspective. I believe this book is available through the International Bee Research Association (http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/ibra/index.html) , and perhaps Dadant. Regards, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: huskers.Spam.kills@olywa.net (Jason Henning) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Japanese Honey, subsidies, and free markets. Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 03:33:56 GMT Message-ID: <345bb49d.30681925@news.olywa.net> References: <344E85CB.5CAC@ultranet.com> <3452E40C.61F1@ihug.co.nz> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: bart18.olywa.net Lines: 51 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.163.58.1!news.olywa.net!bart18.olywa.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10101 + > How many US growers are subsidized? + + r u asking questions..... or making statements? it certainly sounds like + the latter.... in which case u might like to enlighten us all with a few + FACTS (vs. speculative assumptions) first. Having grown up in town but working on the family farm I can say that: 1. Tractors, combines, hay swathers and anything you can prove is driven in the field doesn't pay over-the-road taxes on fuel. 2. My family received some money to let 60 acres go dormant for 7 years. The reason was to have a little 'game reserves' all over the place. 3. Uncle Sam bought 100 pine trees saplings to plant as wind blocks. They cost about $5 a piece but when you figure that's $500 times how many farmers in the program. 4. It's pretty easy to get the government to subsides grain storage charges. If your grain is at a cheap elevator, they might pay all of it. They used to even pitch in to build bins for you. 5. Set-a-side acres. Probably the stupidest program yet. Uncle Sam paid us *not* to plant crops. 6. Crop insurance is heavily subsidized. 7. Low interest loan guarantees. 8. The government subsidizes ethanol to the tune of $35 a GALLON. Ethanol producers use a huge amount of corn of course. 9. The government spends more on dairy product storage than on student loans. You ask why. Because the government sets the price of raw milk. It just happens to be too high and the government buys the excess. A double wammy to tax payers. 10. To make grain deals aboard, quite often (probably should have said 'always') subsidizes the sale and transportation. The list goes on and on. How does a farmer double his income? He puts up another mailbox! Cheers, Jason Henning Bid Red Alchemy and Brewing Olympia, Washington - "It's the water" Article 10102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!cs.utexas.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rhododendrons and honey Date: 26 Oct 1997 04:21:59 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <62ugh7$8c5@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <#Rl89GY48GA.353@nih2naac.prod2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.21.61 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10102 On the property where my bee hives are located, there are about twenty Rhododendrons. One that has large red blossoms in the spring is about five feet from the entrances. So far, and possibly luckily, my bees have taken no interest in the Rhododendrons. I don't know if they don't like them, or they have just found other more interesting nectar sources. Here in the Seattle, I see only Bumble Bees on Rhododendrons. They seem to love them. Pete HDC <75210.1612@CompuServe.COM> wrote in article <#Rl89GY48GA.353@nih2naac.prod2.compuserve.com>... > I am considering taking up beekeeping as a hobby next spring. > What concerns me is that I have heard that honey produced by bees > harvesting from rhododendrons and azaleas is poisonous to both > humans and bees. Since I live in a suburb that has many of these > plants, I am concerned. >  > Does anyone know about this matter? >  > Thank you. > > -- >  > Article 10103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis Date: 26 Oct 1997 05:09:21 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <62uja1$l09@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.20.61 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10103 Propolis is used in the bee hive by the bees as we use caulking for filling cracks, reducing openings and smoothing edges. Annoyingly, the bees also use it to glue frames together making it more difficult for the beekeeper to get them out. Propolis is a gooey substance produced by the bees from plant resins. When cold it gets hard. I have seen special plastic collection traps that go below the inner cover. These have small "V" shaped slits the bees fill with propolis. After the bees fill them they are frozen and then flexed like Ice Cube trays to harvest the propolis. There are some uses and potential uses sighted in "The Hive and the Honey Bee". Edited by Dadant and Sons. The most interesting thing to me is that propolis was apparently used to make varnish for Stadivarius violins. Pete K Cormier wrote in article <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca>... > I am interested to know where in the bee hive I would find propolis. I > have been told people use it for a remedy. Anyone know anything about > it. > > Article 10104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: REMOVEcdg1@concentric.net (Charles) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Watch/Tape this Program ! Varroa Mites & Honeybee Segment Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 07:38:13 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <62uogi$1pu@examiner.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts006d03.alq-nm.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10104 This program has a very interesting segment about varroa mites and how they attack European honeybees, and how the Asian honeybee actually has learned to fight off the Varroa mite. The program is called Sci-Trek, and this episode is called "Wild Style". I saw this on October 25th, but ... the program will air again on November 1st at 6 PM eastern time on the Discovery Cable channel. Also see http://www.discovery.com/diginets/smartviewer/episode/48/20294000.html (from the Discovery Web site) Sci-Trek Wild Style ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The grooming behavior of animals is crucial to survival but is an overlooked aspect of animal life. The ways that animals keep their bodies in working order include rituals beyond conventional hygiene. Air Time(s) Eastern/Pacific Time: DISCOVERY Sci-Trek, Wild Style - 01 Nov 1997 - 06:00 PM Charles Beekeeper Albuquerque, NM USA To reply to this post, please remove the word REMOVE from my email address. Article 10105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: George Styer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rhododendrons and honey Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 09:25:35 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 20 Message-ID: <62vqol$gcp@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <#Rl89GY48GA.353@nih2naac.prod2.compuserve.com> Reply-To: GSTYER@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.226 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10105 HDC wrote: > > I am considering taking up beekeeping as a hobby next spring. > What concerns me is that I have heard that honey produced by bees > harvesting from rhododendrons and azaleas is poisonous to both > humans and bees. Since I live in a suburb that has many of these > plants, I am concerned. >  > Does anyone know about this matter? >  > Thank you. > > -- >  Don't let this stop you. I also live in an area where these are in abundance. I am not even certain that a honeybee can get to the nectaries of the flowers. I have never seen a bee on them and to date no one has dropped dead from eating my honey. You also need to consider what else is available for nectar when they bloom. Article 10106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.48.96.125!in3.uu.net!news.deltanet.com!not-for-mail From: "Tobin Fricke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and Lizards Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 11:26:13 -0800 Organization: Delta Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6305gm$3rj$1@news01.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anx-lkf2065.deltanet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10106 I've noticed a lot of lizards around my bee hive. They don't eat bees, do they? Tobin Article 10107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Japanese Honey, subsidies, and free markets. Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 08:36:13 -0500 Organization: Biosource Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3453474D.51F8@ultranet.com> References: <344E85CB.5CAC@ultranet.com> <3452E40C.61F1@ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: d13.dial-7.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) To: m12345@ihug.co.nz Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10107 m12345@ihug.co.nz wrote: > > Marc Andelman wrote: > > r u asking questions..... or making statements? it certainly sounds like > the latter.... in which case u might like to enlighten us all with a few > FACTS (vs. speculative assumptions) first. I am sure you will get some answers form honest US Farmers. Not that NZ amounts toa hill of beans econmically, but I would bet my bottom dollar that the Kiwis subsidize sheep and other agriculture, or have tarrifs that prevent free trade in agricultural goods. Regards, Marc Andelman Article 10108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE READ THIS Date: 26 Oct 1997 14:05:34 GMT Lines: 43 Message-ID: <19971026140500.JAA28985@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10108 >Two ounces of Mavrik mixed with one gallon of water and sprayed >on the bottom boards of one's hives several times a year. It is >reportedly very effective. From David Miksa 13404 Honeycomb Rd. Groveland, Fl 34736 From hunderds of mental records from hunderds of beekeepers both queen customers and by many more phone call'ins that I do not mechanically record, I can offer the following advice: 1. There is growing evidence that long term contaminates to bottom bars and bottom boards will "WILL" require replacement. YOU will start to see queen losses, supersedure, and colony failure to requeen itself period. This goes for both Fluvalinate and Amitraz. WE are now aware of TWO bee outfits a person should not buy. 2. The effiacy of that type of application is not consistent when used in large numbers of colonies. The application during active brood rearing may not be as effective cause you do not know of exact dosage level for at least 34 days,,, as 80% of varroa are in the brood. Varroa feed, live and mate within the one drone or one worker larvae then exit as a mated female with the only plan in life is to find another larvae to lay 7-15 eggs 1/2 male 1/2 half female; mate and life goes on. 4. If your chemical effiacy and usage is slighty below required, ie each time you treat you leave a few more mites behind, it will look like you have control, but you will find in several months or years the mite population will slowly build up,,,not from resistence BUT from UNDERDOSAGE. 3. The Apistan strips are the best to use,,, that is the ones they make in Texas and ship to Europe and other parts of the world known as our old Section 18 strips. You can check out the European catalogs and see that the apistan ads are different and ask you to use 2 strips per year. HERE IN THE GREAT US we are to use 4 per year per 10 frame box of bees,,, thus for a double story box of bees that is best to produce a crop of honey you must use 8 strips times $1.50 or costs $12.00 per year. One can understand why? when one wants to use spray for $.25 per year. PS. The apistan strips now sold need to be scraped with a good wire brush when new from the package in order to work. BUT the Section 18 apistan do not need scraped even after 8 years in the package as our local bee inspector found and two ARS entomologist from Wesleco TX saw this with their own eyes at Umatilla FL 10/1997. Article 10109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Watch/Tape this Program ! Varroa Mites & Honeybee Segment Date: 26 Oct 1997 14:11:35 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19971026141101.JAA29331@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <62uogi$1pu@examiner.concentric.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10109 Only the last part about bees was good,, a queen coustomer called me, said quick put on Discovery channel I did.....thanks for the new times it will be on....so I can see it all. David Article 10110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.14.113.10!news.alt.net!pcis.net!usenet From: "Elizabeth M. Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation hive Date: 26 Oct 1997 23:34:44 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <630k2k$qp7$0@208.18.94.136> References: <34526E8E.58D8@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.18.94.136 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10110 hector@together.net wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone have plans for an observation hive I can keep in my > classroom? > I to am interested in this for a project in the spring. As many may remember I am doing my senior research in Biology on honey bees. The topics will include bee history, pollen collection, mating and effects of mites plus an, in class, presentation. That is why I want the observation hive. Many have sent information in the past but do to a computer crash I have lost all previous information. Thanks for any help in any of the areas mentioned. In Him, Elizabeth Article 10111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jeff1020@aol.com (Jeff 1020) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beeswax Date: 27 Oct 1997 02:04:30 GMT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19971027020400.VAA00933@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10111 I am looking for uses for beeswax. I need household uses like useing it to lub a zipper not industrial like it is used for making crayons. Jeff Reader Article 10112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.west.agis.net!agis!198.207.169.10.MISMATCH!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: APHIS Press Release California Fruit Fly QuarantineH. Nolan Lemon, Jr Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 02:24:00 GMT Message-ID: <9710261953342744@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 62 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10112 (301) 734-3266nlemon@aphis.usda.govJerry Redding (202) 720-6959jredding usda.gov From: Questa Glenn Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:29:19 -0600 Subject: APHIS Press Release California Fruit Fly Quarantine H. Nolan Lemon, Jr. (301) 734-3266 nlemon@aphis.usda.gov Jerry Redding (202) 720-6959 jredding@usda.gov USDA EXPANDS FRUIT FLY QUARANTINE IN CALIFORNIA WASHINGTON, Oct. 21, 1997--The U.S. Department of Agriculture is adding a part of Los Angeles county to the list of areas in California quarantined because of fruit fly infestations. "It's vital to localize this infestation before it spreads to other areas," said Alfred S. Elder, acting deputy administrator of plant protection and quarantine with the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, a part USDA's marketing and regulatory programs mission area. The Mediterranean fruit fly, Ceratitis capitata, is one of the world's most destructive agricultural pests. Heavy Medfly infestations can cause serious economic damage to California's $20 billion agriculture industry. It attacks more than 250 different fruits and vegetables, and it can reduce crop yields by 50 percent. This interim rule became effective Oct. 16 and is scheduled for publication in today's Federal Register. For additional information, contact Mike Stefan, operations officer, Domestic and Emergency Operations, PPQ, USDA, APHIS, 4700 River Road, Riverdale, Md. 20737-1236, telephone (301) 734-8247, or e-mail mstefan@aphis.usda.gov. Consideration will be given to comments received on or before Dec. 22. Please send an original and three copies of comments to Docket No. 97-102-1, Regulatory Analysis and Development, PPD, APHIS, Suite 3C03, 4700 River Road, Unit 118, Riverdale, Md. 20737-1238. Comments may be reviewed at USDA, Room 1141, South Building, 14th Street and Independence Avenue, S.W., Washington, D.C., between 8 a.m. and 4:30 p.m., Monday through Friday, except holidays. People wishing to review comments are requested to call ahead on (202) 690-2817 to facilitate entry into the comment reading room. # NOTE: USDA news releases, program announcements, and media advisories are available on the Internet. Access the APHIS HOME Page by pointing your Web browser to http://www.aphis.usda.gov and clicking on "APHIS Press Releases." Also, anyone with an e-mail address can sign up to receive APHIS press releases automatically. Send an e-mail message to majordomo@info.aphis.usda.gov and leave the subject blank. In the message, type subscribe press_releases --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://194.112.46.22/public/default.htm (Amigabee BBS) Article 10113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.west.agis.net!agis!198.207.169.10.MISMATCH!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PANUPS: SF Cuts Pesticide Use for IP================================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 02:28:00 GMT Message-ID: <9710261953342745@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 126 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10113 ==P A N U P S***Pesticide Action Network North AmericaUpdates Servicehttp://www panna.org/panna/EMAIL: panna@panna.org===================================== *FYI* Bee's more safe in city the country? ===================================== P A N U P S *** Pesticide Action Network North America Updates Service http://www.panna.org/panna/ EMAIL: panna@panna.org ===================================== October 20, 1997 San Francisco Dramatically Cuts Pesticide Use The amount of pesticides used by the City and County of San Francisco has dropped dramatically in the past year as a result of the Integrated Pest Management (IPM) Program mandated by the city's tough anti-pesticide law. Total use has dropped by approximately two-thirds since 1995 and use of pesticides linked to cancer and reproductive harm dropped to almost zero. The most significant reduction occurred in the Recreation and Park Department. From December 1994 to November 1995, the Department used 3,884 pounds of solid pesticide products and 64 gallons of liquid pesticide products considered the most hazardous by law*. From January 1997 (when the law went into effect) to August 1997, those totals decreased to 23 pounds and eight gallons of the most hazardous pesticides. Total use of pesticide products in the city and county dropped from 4,877 pounds and 372 gallons to 640 pounds and 136 gallons over the same period. The Agricultural Commissioner of San Francisco, David Frieders, whose office provides technical assistance to the other city departments, said, "It's been exciting. When we started this project with Pesticide Watch (an environmental advocacy and watchdog group involved in drafting the IPM law and as well as implementation), it seemed that there were many hurdles that were going to be insurmountable. As it turned out, it's been a relatively enjoyable process. "I look forward to moving into the next role, which is to assist the other departments with their IPM plans. We'll be providing departments with training and education, and eventually we'll be able to take this even further than San Francisco, working with my counterparts, the other county agricultural commissioners throughout California, helping them and the state to realize IPM is the way to go for pest control." In October 1996, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors voted unanimously to pass one of the toughest pesticide ordinances in the nation. The ordinance banned the use of the most toxic pesticides, including those suspected of causing cancer and reproductive harm, by city departments and contractors in 1997, and the remaining pesticides by the year 2000. Exempted from the law are water and wastewater treatment, anti-microbials (cleaners and sterilizers) used in health care, and swimming pool water treatment. Limited use or emergency exemptions may be considered by the Commission on the Environment, provided city departments or contractors can prove that they have made a good faith effort to find alternative approaches and that no effective, economically viable alternatives exist. The Commission on the Environment through its Department of the Environment oversees and regulates the IPM program for the City and County of San Francisco. The Department of Agriculture and Weights and Measures provides technical assistance to city departments and contractors in implementing their IPM plans. Gregg Small, director of Pesticide Watch and one of those involved in drafting and implementing the IPM law, stated, "We have taken that important first step in reducing pesticides, but two big challenges remain. The first is to reduce the amount of pesticides that are still used here in the parks and other public buildings. Pesticides that threaten the public health and environment continue to be used, but we expect these to be eliminated over the next several years. "The second major challenge is that people in other communities continue to be unnecessarily and unknowingly exposed to toxic pesticides. We hope to use the model here in San Francisco as an example that we can eliminate the use of the most hazardous pesticides and safely manage pests so that the people and the environment are protected." *The San Francisco pesticide law defines most hazardous pesticides as: U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Category 1 acute toxins; EPA possible, probable or known carcinogens; and pesticides known to the State of California to cause cancer or reproductive harm under Proposition 65. Source: City and County of San Francisco IPM Program & Pesticide Watch press release, October 15, 1997. 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To sway its silent chimes, else must the bee, Article 10114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!dsinc!news.enter.net!usenet From: bedwarm@SPAMBLOCK.geocities.com (Bobby Tendinitis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Lizards Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 04:40:20 GMT Organization: Whose hologram embraces a flat pigeon Lines: 15 Approved: bedwarm@geocities.com Message-ID: <34541b23.39973755@news.enter.net> References: <6305gm$3rj$1@news01.deltanet.com> Reply-To: bedwarm@mail.dotcom.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: m40nris-1-32.enter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10114 Yeah, sure... next thing you know, you'll be telling me that "Tobin Fricke" just wrote in sci.agriculture.beekeeping: $ I've noticed a lot of lizards around my bee hive. They don't eat bees, do $ they? What kind of lizards are they? Lizards have different diets. Bobby Tendinitis **bedwarm(at)mail.dotcom.fr** http://queeg.resnet.wisc.edu/bedwarm ----------------------------------------------- "I got that off Dejanews isn't that good enough?" - FranksHat (Cavy*), in <19971025193300.PAA20174@ladder02.news.aol.com> ----------------------------------------------- Article 10115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Japanese Honey, subsidies, and free markets. Date: 27 Oct 1997 04:27:17 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <19971027042701.XAA14036@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <62o07u$n8t@quagga.ru.ac.za> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10115 In article <62o07u$n8t@quagga.ru.ac.za>, username@server.ru.ac.za (Garth) writes: > >Most US products are subsidised. But, when I say subsidised, I actually mean >that producers in the US use fuel which is not taxed. Given how expensive >fuel >is in other countries it follows that this policy is actually a virtual >subsidisation (snip) > Hey, where is this non taxed fuel? I'm paying about half the price of gas for taxes. Where did I miss this perk? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Practical Pollination Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 10116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Watch/Tape this Program ! Varroa Mites & Honeybee Segment Date: 27 Oct 1997 00:14:46 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <630mdm$oj5$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <62uogi$1pu@examiner.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10116 In article <62uogi$1pu@examiner.concentric.net>, Charles wrote: >This program has a very interesting segment about varroa mites and how they >attack European honeybees, and how the Asian honeybee actually has learned to >fight off the Varroa mite. Really. So how did they _learn_ to fight off the mite? Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 10117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!uknet!yama.mcc.ac.uk!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: PAUL WAITES Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: 27 Oct 1997 13:24:45 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolvig22.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10117 Hi all, I am relatively new to beeking, and have recently inherited several brood chamber and supers for me to be able to increase my stocks next year from the two hives that I already have. The thing is that these hives though made of Cedar are quite old and in need of some cleaning-up. Any advice on cleaning them would be gratefully received. Some are to be to some degree ornamental as I plan to place some hives in the back garden. (It is quite large and I do have my neibours support on this). I would therefore like them to look nice. I realise that I cannot paint single walled hives, but did read somewhere that they can be coated with preservative such as Cuprinol provided they are laft for a few weeks to weather... Is this true? What other preservatives/varnishes could I use. I plan to do this over the winter to give a bit of time for the hives to loose any odour etc... Thanks, Paul. Article 10118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lmhooping@aol.com (LMHooping) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Southern California Date: 27 Oct 1997 16:44:26 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19971027164400.LAA16746@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <344C02FD.7D4D4676@valley.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10118 In Mission Viejo the weather is plenty warm enough to last through most of the year without feeding. Especially if there is any food source near by, which there usually is in So. Cal. Tell George Marietta Lynn says hi! Lynn Western Region 24, Zone 10 Article 10119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.102!iagnet.net!203.29.160.2!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: m12345@ihug.co.nz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Japanese Honey, subsidies, and free markets. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:36:35 -0800 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3455F873.22CE@ihug.co.nz> References: <344E85CB.5CAC@ultranet.com> <3452E40C.61F1@ihug.co.nz> <3453474D.51F8@ultranet.com> Reply-To: m12345@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Host: p48-max26.auck.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10119 Marc Andelman wrote: > I am sure you will get some answers form honest US Farmers. Not > that NZ amounts toa hill of beans econmically, but I would bet > my bottom dollar that the Kiwis subsidize sheep and other agriculture, > or have tarrifs that prevent free trade in agricultural goods. thanx once again for the "facts", marc. Article 10120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 15:51:23 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <877967483snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 877976495 15964 joe benburb.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10120 In article <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> prw3@york.ac.uk "PAUL WAITES" writes: > Hi all, > > I am relatively new to beeking, and have recently inherited several brood [snip] Sadlins is quite nice and easy to apply. -- joe mc cool remove ns from signature The more you say the less the better. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joens@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 10121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:28:01 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqhQl7U5JyTsf+y> Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10121 In article <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk>, PAUL WAITES writes Snip.. > but did read somewhere that they can be coated with >preservative such as Cuprinol provided they are laft for a few weeks to >weather... Is this true? Cuprinol put out a good leaflet on the "Preservation of Beehives" BS 5750 part1 Certificate No FM835 ISO 9001 EN 29001 Contact them at Cuprinol Ltd, Professional Advisory Service, Adderwell, Frome Somerset BA11 1NL UK TEL (0373)65151 Fax (0373) 74124 Telex44269 >What other preservatives/varnishes could I use. Sorry I don't know. -- Tom Speight Article 10122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rhododendrons and honey Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:51:52 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <34553728.F7070EC4@valley.net> References: <#Rl89GY48GA.353@nih2naac.prod2.compuserve.com> <62ugh7$8c5@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-138.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10122 Pete A. Wolcott wrote: > On the property where my bee hives are located, there are about > twenty Rhododendrons. One that has large red blossoms in the > spring is about five feet from the entrances. So far, and possibly > luckily, my bees have taken no interest in the Rhododendrons. > I don't know if they don't like them, or they have just found other > more interesting nectar sources. > > Here in the Seattle, I see only Bumble Bees on Rhododendrons. > They seem to love them. > > Pete > > i hav a big ol' rhodo in my yard, about 40 feet from the hive, and i've seen the same thing. the bumbles seem to love it, but i didn't see a single honeybee on it. either they don't care for the nectar [given a choice of forage], or the flower is just too big for them to reach it. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: just an update and a question on temperature Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:46:50 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 135 Message-ID: <345535F9.2401B77@valley.net> References: <344A684D.63D0890D@valley.net> <17C0E9524S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-138.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10123 greetings, aaron. guess i missed your post before. my apologies. Aaron Morris wrote: > In article <344A684D.63D0890D@valley.net> > bill greenrose writes: > > > > > ... my bees are still active. living in new hampshire, i expected the > >season to end a few weeks ago.... > > It ain't over until it's over. > Yogi Bera > ain't that the truth. yesterday it was 41 degrees out, and they were flying quite busily. i'm glad i positioned the hive, where it gets full sun most of the day. really seems to make a difference. > > ... full pollen baskets. from where they're getting the > >stuff, i don't know. maybe a few late-blooming asters and goldenrod? > >the weather has been unusually warm this late in the season... > > Asters perhaps, golden rod is past. Probably late wild geranium (blooming > now in upstate New York). > gotcha. i still have a few hybrid asters blooming in my garden, so i guess the wild ones are also blooming somewhere. > > ... i've delayed buttoning > >them up for the winter, until we get some consistently cold [nighttime > >temps regularly in the 20's and daytime temps around 40?] weather. > > Perhaps a mistake. Wait until the weather changes and you may have > waited too long. The warm weather we've been having is atypical and > it WILL change any day now. By this Saturday you may find yourself > wishing you had shut things down last week when it was near 70 dF. > how right you were. temp dropped like a rock after i posted that message [ain't that always the way?]. > >entrance reducer and mouse guard, and inverted their vent box a few > >weeks ago, > > Vent boxes? Are you using D.E. Hives? > yes, i am. it works great, and i'm well-pleased with it. i think the vent box really made a difference for the bees. just insulated the space in the vent box this weekend. all that's left to do is remove the apistan strips and wrap the hive in tar paper, which i will do soon. i'm not sure the bees need it to be wrapped, but even if they don't, it will probably help protect the hive from the elements. > >so i don't think the cool nights [generally in the 30's] are > >stressing them out too badly. > > The stress of the winter doesn't exert itself until very early spring (what > some consider late winter). > i see. you mean when stores may become depleted? > > > >question: do others see their bees active in such cool weather?... > > Yes, the bees are still active. They WILL cluster up when the cold stuff > arrives tomorrow, but they will break and forage when we get some warm > days that are sure to follow in November. > yep. that's exactly what i'm seeing. thanks for the reality check. :) > > ... my assumption [always > >dangerous] is that they are warm enough in the hive to give it a shot, > >and in the sun it's warm enough for them to keep active. does this make > >sense? > > Bees don't heat the entire hive interior, they just heat the cluster. > There is a very insightful article on the winter cluster in the October > ABJ written by Wyatt Magnum - a must read article! > i get 'bee culture', so i guess i'll have to scrounge up the october issue of abj. not exactly common on newsstands, is it? > Don't delay, close 'em up. Better too early than waiting too late. Today > is the last good forecast day for as long as the weatherman is willing to > forecast. Better to have bees foraging from a winter tight hive that > wishing you'd get a nice late fall day to make those hives winter tight. > > It HAS been fantastic fall weather, no? I just closed 'em up this past > weekend and still have a bit of fall medication (Fumidil and TM) to do. > Will pull Apistan strips sometime in mid December, but do as I say, > not as I do. > yes, the fall was quite spectacular up here. the colors were really intense and seemed to last forever. since i started late this year, i was glad for the extended warm weather, which gave the bees a little more time to prepare. alas, it appears to have ended. i read an interesting letter to the editor in the latest issue of bee culture. the author does as you do and adds his apistan strips in the winter, when there is little or no brood for the varroa to hide in. he also does a mid-summer application, after the spring flow. he says that he called the manufacturer and that they said they have been recommending this method for years as the preferred way to apply apistan. the logic seems sound, but i guess it assumes a healthy colony with low varroa rates to begin with, or else, as a result, the mites could do a lot of damage to the bees that are hatched in the fall, shortening their life span and weakening the colony in the dead of winter, when it most needs critical bee mass. do you usually follow this method? if so, do you think the results are any better than the standard timing? > Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! cognito ergo apis? thanks for the info! bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Watch/Tape this Program ! Varroa Mites & Honeybee Segment Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:54:02 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 31 Message-ID: <345537AA.B0476F49@valley.net> References: <62uogi$1pu@examiner.concentric.net> <630mdm$oj5$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-138.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10124 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > In article <62uogi$1pu@examiner.concentric.net>, > Charles wrote: > > >This program has a very interesting segment about varroa mites and how they > >attack European honeybees, and how the Asian honeybee actually has learned to > >fight off the Varroa mite. > > Really. So how did they _learn_ to fight off the mite? > > Adam > -- > _________________ > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu > http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf maybe from watching the discovery channel? ;) bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:14:32 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 40 Message-ID: <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-138.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10125 PAUL WAITES wrote: > Hi all, > > > I realise that I cannot paint single walled hives, ... > where did you hear that you can't paint single walled hives? most of the hives in use today are single walled, and most of them are painted. i painted my hive with a top quality latex paint, and the bees did fine in it. i just made sure i let the paint cure for several days, before giving the boxes to the bees. if i have missed something obvious here, i apologize. maybe this is where you got the information? the thorne catalog recommends using cuprinol on nationals and other single walled hives. they state that painting '...seals the timbers on the outside and can cause mould [their spelling, not mine] and condensation problems on the inside.' but, from my, admittedly limited, experience i have not seen this problem, and the magazines and books i've read all talk about painting the hive to protect it from the elements. last month's issue of 'bee culture' actually had a pic of a guy painting his hive with the bees in it. it's my understanding that under normal conditions the bees will regulate the humidity inside the hive on their own. does anyone else have any input to provide on this issue? bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news3.spinne.com!news.spinne.com!grouper.exis.net!ppp-3-94.exis.net!user From: macbill@exis.net (William G. Frank) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Lizards Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:27:27 -0500 Organization: MyOwn Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <6305gm$3rj$1@news01.deltanet.com> <34541b23.39973755@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-3-94.exis.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10126 In article <34541b23.39973755@news.enter.net>, bedwarm@mail.dotcom.fr wrote: >$ I've noticed a lot of lizards around my bee hive. They don't eat bees, do >$ they? > >What kind of lizards are they? Lizards have different diets. > I found one quite preserved in one of my hives, under the inner cover, covered in propolis Article 10127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Southern California Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 03:34:53 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 14 Message-ID: <633mgc$pge$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <344C02FD.7D4D4676@valley.net> <19971027164400.LAA16746@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp34.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10127 In article <19971027164400.LAA16746@ladder02.news.aol.com>, lmhooping@aol.com (LMHooping) wrote: >In Mission Viejo the weather is plenty warm enough to last through most of the > year without feeding. Especially if there is any food source near by, which > there usually is in So. Cal. > >Tell George Marietta Lynn says hi! >Lynn >Western Region 24, Zone 10 Yes, the same thing here in Hemet where my top bar hive occupants are still working very industriously gathering pollen and nectar. I robbed several thick plates of ripe honeycomb out of the hive two weeks ago. It gets cooler here, though, than in Mission Viejo by the sea. Last night, for example, it was in the 40's here. Article 10128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Thomas E. Hale II" Subject: Re: Bees and Lizards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6305gm$3rj$1@news01.deltanet.com> Message-ID: <01bce35a$987fb7c0$56d628cf@ed.trader.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.40.214.86 Date: 28 Oct 97 08:35:25 GMT Lines: 17 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.120.67.7!tcnntp.trader.com!207.40.214.86 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10128 Tobin Fricke wrote in article <6305gm$3rj$1@news01.deltanet.com>... > I've noticed a lot of lizards around my bee hive. They don't eat bees, do > they? > > Tobin > Tobin: Yep! Many lizards do eat bees, but, unless you live in a Lizard Preserve, you probably do not have to worry too much. The lizards won't do enough damage to make a difference. (Of course, you did not say *what kind* of lizards they are). :) Ed Hale Article 10129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.48.96.126!in2.uu.net!ozemail!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: "Pastor David Rees" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queenless??? Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:56:58 +1000 Organization: Tamborine Mountain A.O.G Lines: 11 Message-ID: <633r62$mu0$1@gnamma.connect.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dg-1-p48.winshop.com.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10129 One of my hives began spring very strong, however i have noticed two swarms issuing a fortnight apart and found an old queen wandering on the landing board. When i checked the hive there were only a few capped brood cells, several queen cells and no queen to be found. There are lots of drones but i dont think there is a laying worker. What do you advise.... Allow the queen cells to hatch and the hive to rejuvinate Requeen Thanks for your help Article 10130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!server3.netnews.ja.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!yama.mcc.ac.uk!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: PAUL WAITES Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: 28 Oct 1997 11:50:46 GMT Organization: Department of Biology, University of York Lines: 23 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <634jim$39s$1@netty.york.ac.uk> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10130 Hi, > maybe this is where you got the information? the thorne catalog recommends using cuprinol on nationals and other single walled hives. they state that painting '...seals the timbers on the outside and can cause mould > It wasn't thorne's catalogue, but a short beekeeping course that I attended this summer that I was told not to paint hives. The person who took us said not to paint single walled hives to look like old fashioned double walled hives because of the reasons you mentioned above. The hives apparently suffer with the increased humidity. I do find it strange that cuprinol does not seal the wood and still allows it to 'breath'. In addition I believe that the original formulation of cuprinol contained a large copper content (hence tha name), this would be rather toxic to bees. Paul. Article 10131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!195.99.66.215!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!news-peer.bt.net!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 08:23:09 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <878026989snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 878063644 24320 joe benburb.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10131 In article <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> bill.greenrose@valley.net "bill greenrose" writes: [snip] > does anyone else have any input to provide on this issue? > > bill > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Surely it is a sin to _paint_ cedar wood ? The paint will add nothing, I would imagine, to the cedar's own natural protection. Once someone _starts_ painting, then they are into the drag of having to repair the paintwork every couple of years ? I have about 50 cedar hives, only about six treated with sadlins, which looks fine. What interests me is how to protect sheet steel roofs, quickly and easily ? They rust a lot otherwise. -- joe mc cool remove ns from signature The more you say the less the better. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joens@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 10132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving/new URL/MBA & HIP reports Date: 28 Oct 1997 14:01:07 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 68 Message-ID: <01bce3a9$9b450060$9e6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-30.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Oct 28 8:01:07 AM CST 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10132 Howdy Folks on sci.agriculture.beekeeping, We Griffes'es are very soon to move from Ottawa Lake to Onsted (about 40 miles). In preparation for the move and to keep our website info available I have moved the website to Tripod (free 2 MB websites). If you have found the info on the existing Netcom site of value and bookmarked it for later use or reuse (a number of you have told me you have done so) then I suggest you now click on the link to the Tripod website (contained in my sig file below) and bookmark the new URL. I looked it over and it appears that I got all the HTML code straightened out so it will work properly on Tripod - if however you should find any glitches I missed please do let me know via e-mail (yes I do SpamBlock my "reply-to" address but I also always include in broken but decipherable form my e-mail address in my sig file - or from the web site if you simply click on one of the various animated e-mail gifs you can send me a e-mail from there as well). Up around the Lansing area they had their first "snow day" off from school yesterday (27 Oct 1997) - so time is pretty much up here - the colonies are either ready or they are not and if they are not ready they will die here more than likely. At the MBA Fall Meeting held 24 & 25 Oct in Midland, MI a number of reports were made that would indicate to me we may well be looking at the worst EVER loss in MI this winter IF we have a hard or a highly varied winter. One commercial operation reports 400 dead already (out of 2,000 some) - this is not an untreated operation either. Similar reports were heard from others. Additionally some have yet to remove honey which means MANY of those "too late treated" colonies are as good as dead if not dead already with the keeper just unaware of it. Varroa's wake up call for good management is being heard and will be heard even more loud and clear by Spring here in Michigan. HIP Cooperators also got together on 24 Oct and hammered out plans for 1998 and beyond - including agreeing on a modification to our HIP protocol which modification will at some future time be posted on my website. We have in combination over 1,000 untreated Cooperator owned colonies going into winter. We are likewise overwintering MOST of our HIP AI queens in MI this winter precisely because we predicted back in late Spring that this would be a "big test" year (high loss). While we decidely do not like high loss years in one respect in another respect it is these very years that help drive our efforts forward to a greater than normal extent. So high loss years are a good/bad thing to us. -- Jack Griffes, Coordinator Honeybee Improvement Program Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ "Did you know-- * Every 13 seconds one of America's 70 million gun owners uses a firearm in defense against a criminal?" - J. Neil Schulman, "Stopping Power: Why 70 Million Americans Own Guns" http://www.pulpless.com/stopower.html Article 10133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:45:31 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 67 Message-ID: <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: bill greenrose X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10133 My experience is similar to Bill's. We paint with a coat of latex exterior primer followed by a coat of flat latex exterior paint onto our single walled hives and have 7 year old boxes (the limit of our experience so far) that show no signs of needing refinishing. The bees do well in them provided that the hives in our lower lying (damper) out yards are given the option to ventilate as much as they want. [We seldom use entrance reducers. We use mouse guards on the lower entrances for the fall through early spring and reducers only on new nucs, splits, packages, or otherwise smaller/weaker colonies that might be prone to bullying by the other girls. We also always provide an upper entrance notched in the inner cover... & none of our hives face into the prevailing cold/storm wind, north & east here.] I also know of people around here who've painted their hive boxes with oil paints and varnishes. These also seem to work in New England as long as the volatile fumes have had sufficient time to dissipate/evaporate (whatever). However, a friend who keeps bees near the Oregon coast has had difficulty keeping paint on his hives and he scrapes and paints every 3 years or so. It seems that even with lots of ventilation, in his rainy and humid climate, the bees have a much more difficult time regulating humidity in the hive and the paint on the outside of the hives is affected adversely. Maybe this is why a British beekeeping supplier recommends not sealing the outside of a single walled hive? Isn't the climate much rainier and humid there than NE US? Pure speculation on my part. BTW, don't think I'll try painting hives that have girls living in 'em. Seems like a good way to either do a bad job or to paint the horizontal surfaces together! Kathy bill greenrose wrote: > PAUL WAITES wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > I realise that I cannot paint single walled hives, ... > > > > > where did you hear that you can't paint single walled hives? > it's my understanding that > under normal conditions the bees will regulate the humidity inside the > hive > on their own. > > does anyone else have any input to provide on this issue? > > bill > > ######################################## > > don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player > > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rhododendrons and honey Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:53:18 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 163 Message-ID: <345650BE.A7683E5C@ne.mediaone.net> References: <#Rl89GY48GA.353@nih2naac.prod2.compuserve.com> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3441BF570AD3C92939B04571" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: HDC <75210.1612@CompuServe.COM> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10134 --------------3441BF570AD3C92939B04571 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also have not observed honeybees in rhododendrons, mountain laurels, or azaleas in our area. I did take the time to look up the category of ericaceous plants in (my favorite bee & plant book) Plants For Beekeeping in Canada and the Northern U.S. by Jane Ramsay and found the following (condensed): "Value for honey: are visited chiefly by bumblebees and are not attractive to honeybees except in certain seasons when there is lack of other forage." "Rhododendrons like certain other ericaceous plants contain a poison called andromedotoxin, which accumulates in the honey and can be lethally toxic to humans." "There have been very few, if any, substantiated incidents where ingestion of toxic nectar, pollen, or honey has caused human death. Typical symptoms reported include numbness, dizziness, nausea, and temporary loss of voluntary muscle control. In the few cases which have resulted in a fatality from poisoning, death was attributed to respiratory paralysis. There is evidence to suggest that only the unripe or uncapped honey is to blame in some cases." "It is worth noting that hybrids and cvs. differ in toxicity in an unpredictable manner. Some spp. usually produce little nectar, but toxicity can be evident in pollen, and thus poison pollen foragers. Typical symptoms exhibited by poisoned honeybees include, a general paralysis, curled abdomen, twitching, rapid flight from the colony only to land on the ground an spin around." Ms. Ramsay cites the following as references for ericaceous plants and toxicity: Kervlit, J. (1981) Analysis of a toxic rhododendron honey. j apic. Res. 20 (4): 249-253] Barker, R.J. (1978) Poisoning by plants. In Honeybee Pests, Predators, and Diseases, ed. R.J. Morse. Ithica, NY.: Cornell University Press. Oldzowsky, D.R. (1977) Of bees, rhododendron and honey. Am. Bee J. 117 (8): 498-500 Not only were rhododendrons, etc. cited as producing honey and/or pollen that are potentially toxic to bees and humans, a table containing about 30 other species were listed, and still the general conclusion was "few if any substantiated incidents have caused human death" . IMHO, there are probably a few more poisoned honeybee incidents than we have noticed (or noticed and attributed to something else). Perhaps the scout bees have communicated that the nectar/pollen source is toxic to the other bees. (or maybe by having no bees report back about this source at all, no large foraging force is directed there?). The fact that (around here) there are a number of wonderful nectar sources in the late spring/early summer when most of the locally grown species of rhododendrons, azaleas, etc. are blooming certainly doesn't hurt. Probably the best info you can get for yourself from beekeepers in your immediate area is: what else is available to the bees when the rhododendrons are in bloom? Kathy HDC wrote: > I am considering taking up beekeeping as a hobby next spring. > What concerns me is that I have heard that honey produced by bees > harvesting from rhododendrons and azaleas is poisonous to both > humans and bees. Since I live in a suburb that has many of these > plants, I am concerned. >  > Does anyone know about this matter? >  > Thank you. > > -- >  --------------3441BF570AD3C92939B04571 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also have not observed honeybees in rhododendrons, mountain laurels, or azaleas in our area. I did take the time to look up the category of ericaceous plants in (my favorite bee & plant book) Plants For Beekeeping in Canada and the Northern U.S. by Jane Ramsay and found the following (condensed):

"Value for honey: are visited chiefly by bumblebees and are not attractive to honeybees except in certain seasons when there is lack of other forage."

"Rhododendrons like certain other ericaceous plants contain a poison called andromedotoxin, which accumulates in the honey and can be lethally toxic to humans."

"There have been very few, if any, substantiated incidents where ingestion of toxic nectar, pollen, or honey has caused human death.  Typical symptoms reported include numbness, dizziness, nausea, and temporary loss of voluntary muscle control.  In the few cases which have resulted in a fatality from poisoning, death was attributed to respiratory paralysis. <snip> There is evidence to suggest that only the unripe or uncapped honey is to blame in some cases."

"It is worth noting that hybrids and cvs. differ in toxicity in an unpredictable manner.  Some spp. usually produce  little nectar, but toxicity can be evident in pollen, and thus poison pollen foragers. Typical symptoms exhibited by poisoned honeybees include, a general paralysis, curled abdomen, twitching, rapid flight from the colony only to land on the ground an spin around."

Ms. Ramsay cites the following as references for ericaceous plants and toxicity:
 Kervlit, J. (1981) Analysis of a toxic rhododendron honey. j apic. Res. 20 (4): 249-253]
Barker, R.J. (1978) Poisoning by plants. In Honeybee Pests, Predators, and Diseases, ed. R.J. Morse. Ithica, NY.: Cornell University Press.
Oldzowsky, D.R. (1977) Of bees, rhododendron and honey. Am. Bee J. 117 (8): 498-500

Not only were rhododendrons, etc. cited as producing honey and/or pollen that are potentially toxic to bees and humans, a table containing about 30 other species were listed, and still the general conclusion was "few if any substantiated incidents <snip> have caused human death" .  IMHO, there are probably a few more poisoned honeybee incidents than we have noticed (or noticed and attributed to something else).  Perhaps the scout bees have communicated that the nectar/pollen source is toxic to the other bees. (or maybe by having no bees report back about this source at all, no large foraging force is directed there?).  The fact that (around here) there are a number of wonderful nectar sources in the late spring/early summer when most of the locally grown species of rhododendrons, azaleas, etc. are blooming certainly doesn't hurt.

Probably the best info you can get for yourself  from beekeepers in your immediate area is: what else is available to the bees when the rhododendrons are in bloom?

Kathy
 
 

HDC wrote:

I am considering taking up beekeeping as a hobby next spring.
What concerns me is that I have heard that honey produced by bees
harvesting from rhododendrons and azaleas is poisonous to both
humans and bees.  Since I live in a suburb that has many of these
plants, I am concerned.

Does anyone know about this matter?

Thank you.

--


   --------------3441BF570AD3C92939B04571-- Article 10135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!news.serv.net!not-for-mail From: Lowell Anderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Range of honey bees? Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:53:13 -0800 Organization: ServNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <34566CD9.2604@serv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup531.serv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10135 Hi All Bee Gurus, I live in Seattle and we just had a 1 day respite from the dreary fall rains. I have a good crop of wild mustard in bloom on my large yard and noticed an abundance of honeybees working them--the bumblebees seem to have expired now. I know of no hives in the area and was wondering if the bees were from owned hives, how far away could they bee? (Pun intended :-) ). Or could they bee from a wild hive? Would someone please tell me what the max distance honeybees can range over? Thanks Lowell Anderson (header spamblocked with '666') Article 10136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:26:35 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 52 Message-ID: <34566605.202168158@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.25.118 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10136 On the lighter side: YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... There are at least two yellow dots on the windshield of your vehicle. You can't drive down a road without evaluating the roadside flowers for honey-producing potential. You have ready answers to questions about Africanized bees and the value to honey in preventing allergies. You check out all the honey labels and prices at the supermarket. You don't think twice about going through the supermarket checkout line with a load of sugar and vegetable fat. You've estimated just how much you spent to control mites. You pick up matches at restaurants, even though you don't smoke. Your friends and neighbors think you are the answer to every swarm problem. You are keenly aware of the first and last freezes of each winter. There is a bucket of something in your garage that can only be good for smoker fuel. You know the names and bloom periods of more local flowers than the state horticulturist. You can often guess which frame the queen is on. You can usually tell whether a hive has a problem the moment you remove the cover. You welcome a rainy weekend if it will stimulate nectar production. You don't mind driving home with a few honey bees inside your vehicle. ======================= So, what else? What are the other signs that you are a beekeeper? Cheers, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:13:54 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 50 Message-ID: <34568DD2.28696584@valley.net> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <634jim$39s$1@netty.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-104.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10137 PAUL WAITES wrote: > Hi, > > > > maybe this is where you got the information? the thorne catalog > recommends > using cuprinol on nationals and other single walled hives. they state > that > painting '...seals the timbers on the outside and can cause mould > > > > It wasn't thorne's catalogue, but a short beekeeping course that I > attended this summer that I was told not to paint hives. The person who > took us said not to paint single walled hives to look like old fashioned > double walled hives because of the reasons you mentioned above. The hives > apparently suffer with the increased humidity. > I do find it strange that cuprinol does not seal the wood and still > allows it to 'breath'. In addition I believe that the original > formulation of cuprinol contained a large copper content (hence tha > name), this would be rather toxic to bees. > > Paul. gotcha. kathy h. replied to this, as well, and she brings up a good point, which is that climate can have a lot to do with deciding whether or not to paint. since your weather is probably wetter on average than mine, it might not be the best solution for you or your bees. i'm no expert on paints and stains, but i think that stains are supposed to penetrate into the wood and coat the wood fibers without filling up the air holes in-between. they coat the fibers deeper than the water can penetrate [i think they are somewhat hydrophobic, as well, since most of them are oil based.], while still allowing the wood to 'breath.' but, on this subject i could be all wet. ;) since thorne recommends and sells cuprinol, i guess that, copper content notwithstanding, it's ok to use on hives. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Range of honey bees? Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:22:04 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 33 Message-ID: <34568FBB.7EFB70D6@valley.net> References: <34566CD9.2604@serv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-104.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10138 Lowell Anderson wrote: > Hi All Bee Gurus, > > I live in Seattle and we just had a 1 day respite from the dreary fall > rains. I have a good crop of wild mustard in bloom on my large yard and > noticed an abundance of honeybees working them--the bumblebees seem to > have expired now. I know of no hives in the area and was wondering if > the bees were from owned hives, how far away could they bee? (Pun > intended :-) ). Or could they bee from a wild hive? Would someone > please tell me what the max distance honeybees can range over? > > Thanks > > Lowell Anderson (header spamblocked with '666') greetings, from what i've read bees prefer to forage in a range of 1 to 2 miles from the hive, but will travel at least twice that far, if forage is scarce. greater minds than mine will probably give you more definitive answers. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:01:20 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 79 Message-ID: <34568AE0.1F64A09C@valley.net> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <878026989snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-104.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10139 joe mc cool wrote: > In article <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> > bill.greenrose@valley.net "bill greenrose" writes: > > [snip] > > > does anyone else have any input to provide on this issue? > > > > bill > > > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > Surely it is a sin to _paint_ cedar wood ? The paint will add nothing, > I would imagine, to the cedar's own natural protection. Once someone > _starts_ painting, then they are into the drag of having to repair the > paintwork every couple of years ? I have about 50 cedar hives, only > about six treated with sadlins, which looks fine. > > What interests me is how to protect sheet steel roofs, quickly and > easily ? They rust a lot otherwise. > > -- > joe mc cool > remove ns from signature The more you say the less the better. > ======================================================================== > Tangent Computer Research internet: joens@benburb.demon.co.uk > Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 > N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 > BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 > ======================================================================== greetings, i agree wholeheartedly about painting cedar. it is a beautiful wood. properly preserved, i bet a cedar hive in the garden would be quite a focal point. it was the concept of paint being bad for hives and bees that concerned me. regarding sheet steel roofs, i assume you want something that will be pretty durable, so the project doesn't have to be repeated very often. there is a product sold here in the states that is used for dipping tool handles and the like. don't know the name, unfortunately, but i see it all the time in tool catalogs. it is an epoxy, i believe, and it dries to leave a thick, durable plastic-like grip on the handles. i think it could also be applied with a brush [maybe a sponge brush] to metal roofs. if you check some tool catalogs or your local hardware store, they can probably point you to the product i'm talking about. just an idea, but thought i'd toss it out for what it's worth. there is also a paint sold over here called Rust-Oleum that is specifically made for metal. i've used it on lampposts and the like with good results. must be an equivalent across the pond. while doing a search to get the correct spelling for Rust-Oleum [ain't the net wonderful?] i found a site called: CORROSION, PROTECTIVE COATINGS AND PAINT RESOURCES ON THE INTERNET the url is: http://www.execpc.com/~rustoleu/coatings.htm looks like it has a wealth of info on protective coatings, as well as sources and manufacturers from all over the world. might give you some more practical ideas. hope this helps, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Charles V. Soderquist" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FYI Bee Dance Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:48:25 -0800 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <63687n$8mo@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: ChuckSoderquist@.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.67.72.121 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10140 There is a mathematical discussion of honeybee dances in the Nov 1997 issue of Discover magazine, pages 80-87. -- Charles V. Soderquist (\ {|||8- (/ Bikes, bees, and bytes Article 10141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Use of marginal honey Date: 29 Oct 1997 04:41:41 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <636eq5$8md@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.20.64 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10141 A friend of mine harvested some last minute honey, that was open celled. The moisture content is about 19%. He is worried about it fermenting, and wants to know if he used it to make Creamed Honey would it be more or less likely to ferment? Also, do you have some other "save" tactics? Pete Article 10142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!165.166.15.5!news1.infoave.net!usenet From: FRANK Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:53:32 -0800 Organization: Twin Lakes Telephone Internet Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3456188C.48F3@twlakes.net> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <878026989snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: fscut@twlakes.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-3.r05.tngnbo.infoave.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-INFOAVENUE (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10142 joe mc cool wrote: > > In article <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> > bill.greenrose@valley.net "bill greenrose" writes: > > [snip] > > > does anyone else have any input to provide on this issue? > > > > bill > > > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > Surely it is a sin to _paint_ cedar wood ? The paint will add nothing, > I would imagine, to the cedar's own natural protection. Once someone > _starts_ painting, then they are into the drag of having to repair the > paintwork every couple of years ? I have about 50 cedar hives, only > about six treated with sadlins, which looks fine. > > What interests me is how to protect sheet steel roofs, quickly and > easily ? They rust a lot otherwise. > > -- > joe mc cool > remove ns from signature The more you say the less the better. > ======================================================================== > Tangent Computer Research internet: joens@benburb.demon.co.uk > Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 > N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 > BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 > ======================================================================== Try the PVC covers from Kelly in Kentucky. I just bought some this fall and I think I will stay with them. Article 10143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.114!iagnet.net!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: Randy Nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use of marginal honey Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:17:58 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 20 Message-ID: <34574596.2781@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> References: <636eq5$8md@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10143 Pete A. Wolcott wrote: > > A friend of mine harvested some last minute honey, that was open celled. > The > moisture content is about 19%. He is worried about it fermenting, and > wants to > know if he used it to make Creamed Honey would it be more or less likely to > ferment? Also, do you have some other "save" tactics? > > Pete Pete, Tell your friend to : pasturize to kill any wild yeast, and/or make a batch of mead/vinegar, and/or bake all kinds of bread with honey/make candy. I'm sure there will be other suggestions. -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. Article 10144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use of marginal honey Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 08:26:15 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <17C1676A9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <636eq5$8md@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!128.113.100.15!rpi!ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10144 In article <636eq5$8md@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> "Pete A. Wolcott" writes: ... >moisture content is about 19%. He is worried about it fermenting, and >wants to know if he used it to make Creamed Honey would it be more or >less likely to ferment? Also, do you have some other "save" tactics? > >Pete Due to the water content being so high your friend will be hard pressed to get the honey crystalized/creamed. The best solution I know of in the case of unripe/moist honey is to use it for mead! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 10145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!166.82.1.9!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Sutherland Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cleaning propolis Date: 29 Oct 1997 11:43:01 -0500 Organization: Sutherland Products, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <638988$cpm$1@ralph.vnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.186.110 X-Newsreader: FFNews 1.63 (Amiga;32bit) *Unregistered* Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10145 Howdy, If you are having trouble cleaning propolis off of your clothes, and would like a free sample to test and report to this newsgroup, send us a note and we will send a free gallon of our soap to the first 4 people who are seriously interested. Check out our website. It ain't much, but we are trying. Thanks, Charlie -- Sutherland Products 203 N 1st Ave Mayodan, NC 27027 Phone: (800) 854-3541 FAX: (910) 548-3626 charlies@vnet.net http://www.charliesoap.com/ Article 10146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.cs.jhu.edu!news.jhu.edu!news From: Jacob Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeper Wannabee Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:10:11 -0500 Organization: jhu Lines: 10 Message-ID: <34579823.41C6@jhu.edu> References: <3372BE86.46B7@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.220.34.60 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10146 A not-even-Newbie-yet question: Are there any resources for "Wanted" or "For Sale" honey bee related items? I am looking for a used hive to be refurbished during winter and populated in the spring. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jacob Laderman, System Admin at Center for Language & Speech Processing mail: jacob@jhu.edu voice: 410-516-4787 - 1 wife, 1 boy, 1 girl, 5 sheep, 1 llama, 2 goats, 1 donkey, fowl - Article 10147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are there any Maniacs with comb honey out there?? Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:48:24 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3457CB48.1EF47419@ne.mediaone.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10147 Hi all, Recently I met a woman who has been looking for a year-round supplier of comb honey in the Portland, ME area. We sold her some MA comb honey but she would really prefer comb honey gathered locally. Any of you interested?? I'll forward all replies to her. Thanks, Kathy Article 10148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:25:42 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 59 Message-ID: <3457D406.A7FA1BBE@valley.net> References: <34566605.202168158@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-146.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10148 John Caldeira wrote: > On the lighter side: > > YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... > > ======================= > > So, what else? What are the other signs that you are a beekeeper? > > Cheers, > John > ================================================ > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ > ================================================ how about: 1) when all your family and friends know what they're going to get for christmas and how much based on your conversational reports in july of the intensity of the spring flow. [too wordy] or 2) when you don't mow the lawn because the bees are working the dandelions. or 3) when you pull over and check the activity on the wildflowers just to see if they're YOUR bees. or 4) you do 3) above and can tell the difference. or 5) you saw Ulee's Gold and didn't think there were enough shots of the bees. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.244.0.3!cdc2.cdc.net!news2.epix.net!news1.epix.net!not-for-mail From: root@my.apiary.com (B. Lover) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:06:51 GMT Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <33b6c124.837598@news.epix.net> References: <34566605.202168158@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: grmn-105ppp44.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.339 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10149 0.You read S.A.B religiously 1. You have more mead in your cellar than you can possibly drink. 2. You can spot swarms and feral hives while driving , or without conciously looking for them, 3. You can likewise spot wasps at a glance because you've had so much practice looking at your friends and neighbor's "bees" in the sideing of their houses. 4. You insist that others refrain from calling yellow jackets and paper wasps "bees" even at the risk of being called a pedantic. 5. You get stung and an hour later you can't remember which hand it was. 6. Your 1 1/2 year old calls honey "beeee" (He knows where it comes from.) 7. He's also learning to distinguish yellow jackets from honey bees. (see # 4) 8. You've *got* to do something with all that wax. 9. Your idea of relaxing involves thousands of honeybees flying in your immediate vicinity. 10. You don't mind driving home with a few pounds of bees inside your vehicle. 11. Things like: beeswax on the stapler, your wife's new pantyhose are missing and are discovered having honey strained through them, honey on doornobs, and robbing bees surrounding your house no longer are cause for comment by your wife and kids. (Maybe this should go in a new thread - "You know your spouse is a beekeeper when "...) Article 10150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Range of honey bees? Date: 30 Oct 1997 03:57:18 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 54 Message-ID: <01bce4e7$ad8cdec0$8486dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <34566CD9.2604@serv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh9-04.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Oct 29 9:57:18 PM CST 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10150 Lowell Anderson wrote in article <34566CD9.2604@serv.net>... | Hi All Bee Gurus, | | I live in Seattle and we just had a 1 day respite from the dreary fall | rains. I have a good crop of wild mustard in bloom on my large yard and | noticed an abundance of honeybees working them--the bumblebees seem to | have expired now. I know of no hives in the area and was wondering if | the bees were from owned hives, how far away could they bee? (Pun | intended :-) ). Or could they bee from a wild hive? Would someone | please tell me what the max distance honeybees can range over? Bees generally work as close to home as possible (saves 'em fuel - honey is food/fuel). That said they can range out in excess of the normal 2 mile radius if need be - it is just not as effecient. In some situations they may range out 6-8 miles - but that is FAR from the norm. So if you just think about the 2 mile radius from your yard you are talking about a substantial area where someone could have a hive or two tucked away out of sight (from the road). It could be a ephemeral feral colony as well but the mites have decimated the feral population that used to thrive here and they likely have there as well. Swarmy years seed back some bee stock to the trees but then lacking mite treatment they die inside of 2 years as a rule. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Did you know-- * A gun kept in the home for protection is 216 times as likely to be used in defense against a criminal than it is to cause the death of an innocent victim in that household? " J. Neil Schulman, "Stopping Power: Why 70 Million Americans Own Guns" http://www.pulpless.com/stopower.html