Subject: David Williams apologises

From: [email-masked] (Death)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 07:11:50 GMT

Okay, let me see if I can tell everybody the truth.

I came down with CFS/FM in 1977.  This was shortly after I got out of
the hospital for my alcoholism.  Every time I took a drink since I got
CFS/FM ended with so much misery that I was forced to give up the
booze.  You might say, at least in my case, that CFS/FM cured my
alcoholism.

But that was almost 20 years ago.  Since I have been on licorice my
CFS/FM has disappeared and I have regained my energy along with my old
drunken attitudes and negative behavior as well

I personally believe hundreds of thousands of people are going to
regain their energy and recover from CFS/FM by using licorice.  Unless
these newly recovered people are prepared, they are going to find it
difficult to return to health.  Quick changes in your live can cause
problems for some of us.  Most will not recover from this disease
without going through some sort of emotional roller coaster ride.  I
hope they are better equipped to handle their recovery then I seem to
be.

But I also have another serious problem that is tearing my insides
out.
 At about the same time I recovered from CFS with licorice, my only
son
(32 years old) is dying with fatal stage lV lung cancer.  He has less
than 6 months to live and I have been having a very hard time getting
him to seek proper treatment.  I am doing research and pleading with
him to try some sort on immune therapy, but he does not want to listen
to me about any "experimental immune treatments" and is taking
everything in stride and seems to be prepared for his death.  It is
such a frustrating situation to watch my only son die in front my eyes
and I don't understand why he is so willing to die without putting up
a
fight.  I could kill him for giving up so easily.

I'm sorry if I pissed people off, I'm just not up to dealing with the
relationship one has with an open group of sick people on the
internet.

Anyway, I don't want anybody to be sympathetically with me.  I really
didn't want to explain my real problem with my son to you, but I guess
my idiot behavior the last few weeks calls for some sort of
explanation.

I am calling my lifetime friends and, with their help, will reorganize
my licorice business.  The only thing I would like to do personally is
participate in the debate with Nurse Camilla about licorice.
Everything else, including licorice info on alt.med.cfs.open, will be
turned over to someone else.

I'm also now forced to face my old drinking problem.  I had no idea
that CFS was my savior from booze.  I thought I had it under control
due to my own will power.  Hell, I not so sure now if I'd rather have
CFS or be an alocoholic.  But please don't send me little tid-bits on
how to get sober.  I'm 3 X 7 and sleep in my own bed (most of the
time).

As far as licorice is concerned, if you have CFS/FM and low blood
pressure, it will turn your life around completely.  But be cautioned
that when you are restored to health you will be forced to get
acquainted with the new person you will become.  My advice to anyone
taking licorice is to start preparing yourself to learn to live well
again.

Dave

Your eternal servant Death
<[email-masked]>

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From: [email-masked] (Death)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 14:18:43 GMT

>Okay, let me see if I can tell everybody the truth.

Hello everyone,

Well dear old Dave seems to be at it again.  In a heart-wrenching post

>Okay, let me see if I can tell everybody the truth.

When I was a little girl my mother told me the story about that boy
who cried wolf.  I'm sure everyone has heard that story and knows how
often it rings true in life.  The moral of course is that if someone
is constantly lying, how do you know when he is telling the truth.
The fact that Dave has been constantly lying to us is easy to
document.  Just go to DejaNews and start pulling up his posts.  He
tells one newsgroup one thing while he is telling another newsgroup
something completely different.  Then there is the issue of him
operating under the name of Walter Schneider.  I suggest you check out
Walt's posts on DejaNews as well.  Is this the mark of a con artist at
work?  I'll let you be the judge.  How many other false names has he
used to make it look like licorice is a miracle cure for CFS?  Also,
look at the wild claims that Dave and Walt have made.  You know the
old saying, "If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is."  I
might add to this wise advice, "If someone lashes out at people
calling them sluts, bitches, and worse, this is someone to be avoided
at all costs."

So now Dave claims to be telling the truth as he pulls at out heart-
strings with stories of his battle with alcoholism and a son dying of
lung cancer. Is he telling the truth now?  Well, we can't possibly
know. Has Dave sought our sympathy in the past to get a "poor Dave"
response out of us?  The answer is a definite YES.  But now he has
raised the stakes because he knows we can't tell him he is lying when
he talks about a son dying of cancer.  All I know is that when someone
says they don't want my sympathy, they probably do.  It could be
because his son is dying of cancer or it could be because he wants to
continue the con.  Who knows?

My point is, regardless of whether or not his son is dying, this man
has proven himself to be a liar, a con artist (e.g., Walt), and a
horribly abusive person to many on CFS-OPEN (and other newsgroups as
well).  So _if_ this is the truth, it changes nothing.  This man is
getting more and more dangerous IMHO.  When he started telling people
to be under his care_only_ and to not tell their doctors, he went way
over the edge.  What's next?  Is he going to get a fake medical degree
and open up a licorice clinic on Florida?  I heard on the news the
other day that this is far too easy to do.  Dave comes across to me as
just the type of fellow who would do it.

Finally, let me disect his post in which he was supposedly bearing his
soul.  Here are some statements from that post:

>Since I have been on licorice my CFS/FM has disappeared and I have
>regained my energy...

>I personally believe hundreds of thousands of people are going to regain
>their energy and recover from CFS/FM by using licorice.

>pressure, it will turn your life around completely.

>My advice to anyone taking licorice is to start preparing yourself to
>learn to live well again.

Sure, these remarks are taken out of context.  But it should be clear
that even when Dave is bearing his soul and _apologizing_, he is also
still trying to sell licorice and tell us about his business.  And I
am still waiting for him to turn the "licorice info" on CFS-OPEN to
someone else.  Maybe his lifetime friend Walt is up to the job.  Or
maybe it will be some other imaginary friend he likes to play with.

Look at the events of the past few days.  Has anything changed since
he told us the _truth_?  He is still posting to CFS-OPEN and other
places on the internet.  In one post, he quoted an entire _poor Dave_
reply to his post about his son dying of cancer and then added simply,
"A good reply." I guess he didn't get enough sympathy from us and
needed to make sure we saw that one again.  Seems odd, doesn't it,
that the words "thank you" did not come to mind?

Well, it does not seem odd to me.  Maybe this isn't about him wanting
to sell licorice at all.  Maybe it is only about him having some fun
at the expense of people who are very ill and desperate for a cure.
There may be some money involved in all of this, but Dave seems like
the type of guy who can always find an angle to make money.  With all
of the PWCs-who-won't-try-licorice-are-hypochondriacs posts of his, it
seems pretty obvious to me that the con game is what is ultimately
important to him.

Just one opinion,
Carol Castro