Subject: Re: maythorn?

From: Stephen J Bungard <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 95 15:57:59 GMT

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           [email-masked] "Amanda Stossel" writes:

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> someone over in alt.folklore.herbs is trying to find out what "maythorn" 
> is.  everyone is coming up with related common names (i.e. mayweed, 
> mayapple, etc) but no one seems to know WHAT it accually is.  if anyone 
> knows, and has the latin name, I'd appreciate it.  None of my Bot books 
> have it.
> 
Only a guess but here we call Crataegus monogyna both May and Hawthorn...
	
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From: Amanda Stossel <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 09:48:31 -0900

hello all,

thanks lots...

Mandy

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From: [email-masked] (C Peppiatt)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 17:17:13 GMT

Amanda Stossel ([email-masked]) wrote:
: hello all,

: someone over in alt.folklore.herbs is trying to find out what "maythorn" 
: is.  everyone is coming up with related common names (i.e. mayweed, 
: mayapple, etc) but no one seems to know WHAT it accually is.  if anyone 
: knows, and has the latin name, I'd appreciate it.  None of my Bot books 
: have it.

: thanks lots...

: Mandy

I don't know about Alaska, but as a Briton the name "maythorn"
immediately makes me think of the hawthorn *Crataegus monogyna*
(a very common tree/tall shrub over here).
Since it usually has its white flowers at the begining
of May,  it is also called the "maytree", or "mayflower",
that's why your "maythorn" sounds so much like it.
We also have a very similar related species here called the 
Midlands Thorn *Crataegus laevigata*.

Regards,

Chris Peppiatt

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From: [email-masked] (Marco_Bleeker)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 23:01:23

>immediately makes me think of the hawthorn *Crataegus monogyna*

Ah! Poetry did it again!

In Holland we call Crataegus monogyna.... Meidoorn. Maythorn that is: not 
Mayflower, not Maytree, but Maythorn.

I saw it in Ireland "behave" like a savanna tree or shrub: standing solitary 
(scattered) in the field, the only larger plant left alone by the goats - 
because of the thorns no doubt.

Bye, Marco

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From: [email-masked] (Rik Palmans)
Date: 5 Nov 1995 15:16:57 GMT

Amanda Stossel:
What is MAYTHORN?

In Dutch, the common name for diverse Crataegus species is 'meidoorn'.
Translated in English it means 'maythorn'.

Rik Palmans, Voeren (Belgium)

Rik Palmans ([email-masked])
Provinciale Secundaire School
Berneauweg 163e, 378 's-Gravenvoeren (Belgium)

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From: [email-masked] (Isaac Adams MURCHIE)
Date: 5 Nov 1995 15:06:08 GMT

> Mandy

if may-apple is really a synonym for it then according to Gleason
and Cronquist (_Manual of Vascular Plants of Northeastern United
States and Adjacent Canada_), the species is Podophylum peltatum L.
in the berberidaceae. also called the mandrake.

isaac.

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From: [email-masked] (Isaac Adams MURCHIE)
Date: 6 Nov 1995 14:55:24 GMT

> Mandy

another thought i had last night... craetegus monogyna is not very 
hardy even here in montreal where the weather is quite a bit warmer
than in alaska, so i don't think that is what it is. a few years ago 
6 were planted and this summer i saw that only 3 were still alive.
two of the three which died did so this year.

bye. isaac.

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From: Jeremy Packer <[email-masked]>
Date: 7 Nov 1995 09:39:23 GMT

I've checked the original post, and they seemed to think the name had a 
uk origin. That being the case the plant is almost certainly C. 
monogyna. One of its common names is Mayflower, and it is very thorny!

Jeremy