Subject: Yawn, VROOMs etc.

From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:42:00 -0700

Andrew Wilson (Networker) sez:

> erm, well they work, don't they. Don't say I didn't warn you.

I'm curious... WHY is this being done? Is it going to stay up (I hope
not)... is it the cause of the really unpleasant lag we've been having
on LambdaMOO so often these days?

I mean, I'm impressed... but isn't this just a ``See, I can do it, so
I did'' thing?

Seth / Blackbriar@various

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:58:00 -0700

Networker:

> I don't run LambdaMOO so I don't know what tasks on the system
> are causing the lag.  Seriously though, yduJ?, can you give us 
> an idea of why LambdaMOO's so slow.  If it IS my system that's 
> the cause, I'll remove it immediately and until I've fixed it.  
> I don't see why my (alleged) incompetence should be allowed to 
> punish the rest of you.

I never said that you were incompetent. You've done something that's
really quite impressive. I'm guessing at the lag thing; I can't think
of anything -new- that's hit LambdaMOO that would cause the bursts
of horrendous lag... it's an idea that's been bounced around a bit,
and I don't see any reason why it -couldn't- be the new networking
stuff...

> Ok, back to basics, yeah?  There's the network, ok?  I mean 
> the REAL network, not just the toy that I'm playing with, and 
> it's full of useful gadgets that anyone can log into and use.  
> I think it would be neat to be ABLE to mess with those gadgets 
> from LambdaMOO.

Okay, now we get to a question I have which I hope you won't take
as a personal attack.  WHY?  I mean, is LambdaMOO really supposed 
to be our archie server, our irc client, our gateway to other MOOs?
Why not just open another window and run the archie command? shell
out of your tinyfugue session and go into the irc yourself?

I mean, it sounds neat to be able to do these things from LambdaMOO,
but why actually -do- it?

(I'm not even gonna -think- about mentioning theme.)

> Then consider how many MOOs there are in the world, mmmm... seven 
> is it?  Or is it eight?  Fine, now consider how many LPmuds there 
> are in the world.  Let's count them shall we.

o no

> One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,
> twelve.  Still with me?  Ok, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, 
> seventeen. Mmmm, what's after seventeen, er, eighteen?  Eighteen, 
> nineteen, twenty, twenty one, twenty two...  

That's got a catchy beat, actually.

> Gee there's a lot of LPmuds isn't there?! Wow, just think of all 
> that software on all those sites that we JUST CAN'T USE.

... unless we log into them.

> Just think of all those people on those sites that WE JUST CAN'T 
> TALK TO.

... unless we log in to the site they're on.

> Kinda, makes you wonder doesn't it?

There are oodles of M*s out there.  I don't think they should be 
networked together this way.  I like the way UnterMUD (I think) did
it, where objects actually MOVE from one machine to the next.

> I would value any CONSTRUCTIVE comments you have to offer, but 
> I can't do very much to improve matters if all I get are 
> unspecific opinions.

My SPECIFIC opinion is that this is a terribly impresisve thing that
shouldn't be used. There are enough arguments over what LambdaMOO
should be (theme, non-theme, hacking ground, RPG system...) without
introducing the door to all Internet services.

Honest, I am impressed... I just don't think it's a good idea to keep
it. (Maybe I'm just an old stick-in-the-mud. That might be it, too.)

Seth / Blackbriar @ { LambdaMOO, TinyCWRU, ChaosMOO, MicroMUSE, SludgeMUD }
                                                     (i think)    r.i.p.

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From: Larry Masinter <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:28:34 -0700

I think 'access to internet services' is a good 'theme' for AstroMOO,
where the theme is 'giving astronomers access to data across the
internet'. It isn't as good a theme for LambdaMOO, but heck, that's
not what this list is about.

These days, I'd like a moo/world-wide-web gateway to play with.
(Telnet to info.cern.ch).

Larry
(Grump@LambdaMOO)