Subject: SEAL IL-4 Model

From: [email-masked] (Craig P. Earls)
Date: 7 Jun 1996 13:24:50 GMT

The web page at www.teleport.com/~shelton/cmm/proj4of5.html pictures a
model of a SEAL IL-4 engine with castings produced by "Woking
Precision Models" (could be "Working Precision Models"?).  The owner
of the web page has no information about the company that produced the
castings, other than that they are in England.  This engine looks like
an interesting project and appears sized well for the Sherline
Equipment I have.  Can anyone out there point to this company or the
current owners of drawings/castings?

Thanks 
Craig Earls

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From: kuhncw <[email-masked]>
Date: 8 Jun 1996 12:05:25 GMT

The catalog published by Power Model Supply lists casting kits for 
the Seal (5/8 bore) and the Seal Major (13/16 bore).

Give them a call at 314-586-6466.  Hours are M - F 9:00 to 3:00.
Power Model Supply is located south of St. Louis, MO.

Best Regards,

Chuck

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From: [email-masked] (David William Jenkins)
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 13:41:01 GMT

>current owners of drawings/castings?

They can be found at:

        Woking Precision Models
        10 New Street
        Oundle
        Peterborough
        PE8 4EA

        tel (+44) 1832 272868
        fax (+44) 1832 272760

At least that's where they were a couple of years ago, when I last
got a calogue.

Lots of nice kits for multi-cylinder i.c. engines, small workshop
tools, etc.  Good quality, but a bit expensive. 

David Jenkins              -- aka --             Lathyrus Computers Ltd
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From: Gordon French <[email-masked]>
Date: 9 Jun 1996 13:58:40 GMT

If anybody in the San Francisco Bay Area is interested in the 
construction and running of this type of engine should note that there is 
a group called the Bay Area Model Engine Modelers that meets once a month 
in Hayward.  For more information Email me: 
[email-masked]

Gordon French

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From: Steve Wellcome <[email-masked]>
Date: 10 Jun 1996 12:37:10 GMT

It may be cheaper to order directly from England rather than through Power
Model Supply.  I looked at the "Kiwi" engine castings a couple of years ago,
and as I recall the PMS prices were about 2X Woking's prices.  Of course, if
you order directly you have to pay freight on cast iron from England (!), 
which may be considerable, but I imagine it would still end up being cheaper
overall.

I've ordered a few things directly from England (though never from Woking)
and had uniformly good luck.  Give them your credit card number, they charge 
in pounds on their end, you get billed in dollars on your end, and it all 
just works.

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From: Charlie Greenman <[email-masked]>
Date: 10 Jun 1996 16:36:22 GMT

It's Woking Precision Models
10 New Street, Oundle, Peterborough, PE8 4EA

(in England)

Tel 0832-272868
FAX 0832-272760

I have done business with them (twice). They are honest.

The engine you describe was designed by the late
Edgar T. Westbury, easily the finest designer of
stationary gas and steam engines for model engineering.

It is probably designed to be built on an ML7 Myford
lathe, which is 7" swing.

Regards,
Charlie

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From: [email-masked] (David William Jenkins)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:21:33 GMT

>which may be considerable, but I imagine it would still end up being cheaper

I doubt that it would be that expensive - it's partly alumin(i)um,
and the whole thing is small enough be held in one hand. 

...Pause while old catalogue examined...

No dimensions for the Seal, but its 30cc big brother (Sealion) is
only 8" long, 6" high, 3.5" wide.   Everything is Al except for the
cylinder liners and maybe the flywheel.

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From: PPIERCE <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:47:33 -0700

> >and as I recall the PMS prices were about 2X Woking's prices.  Of course, if

Don't worry about a few bucks, more or less.  If you think you can build it,
buy one and find out....  I saw one running at an engine show in Jerome AZ.
The purrrrr of that litte 4 cylinder was fantastic...  I'm still trying
to complete a Stuart 10H steam engine.  I should live so long...  I took 5 
tries to get what seems to be a passable connecting rod...  I'm having fun though.

Paul in AJ AZ