Subject: Re: Metal Dollar Store Bowl Question

From: [email-masked] (Tim Shoppa)
Date: 17 Jun 1996 03:32:59 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Dean Denter <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>There are several studies that say that aluminum is bad for you,

There was one study which linked aluminum with Alzheimer's disease,
which was then withdrawn by the authors because the study was faulty.
Other studies have found no health risks with the use of aluminum cookware,
the use of deoderants containing aluminum, or exposure to aluminum
in the workplace (to get back to the topic of rec.crafts.metalworking
here).  I have a list of references on the topic that I'll be happy
to e-mail to anyone who requests them.

Tim. ([email-masked])

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From: [email-masked](Christoffer)
Date: 17 Jun 1996 06:40:08 GMT

On Jun 16, 1996 20:52:13 in article <Re: Metal Dollar Store Bowl Question>,
[email-masked] (Tim Shoppa)' wrote: 

>In article <[email-masked]>, 
>Shawn T Johnson <[email-masked]> wrote: 
>>I found this "silver" coloured very very lightweight bowl in the dollar  
>>store... bought for a buck beleive it or not :) 
>>It reminds me very much of aluminum foil, but it's thicker.  I can dent  
>>by pressing my finger on it a bit. 
>>My question is, would this be made of aluminum.  And if so, should it  
>>have had an appropriate warning about foodstuffs.  Or was it perhaps  
> 
>What *is* the "appropriate warning about foodstuffs" for aluminum 
>bowls? 
> 
>I just recently moved to Canada from the US, so perhaps I don't 
>know about some public health law here that bans putting food in 
>aluminum containers.  But why would there be such a ban, in any 
>event? 
> 
>Tim. ([email-masked]) 
  
Several years ago I read of a possible relationship between 
aluminum levels and the onset of Alzheimers.  However, I 
don't think any causal relationship has been proven. 
 
Christoffer

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From: [email-masked] (Dean Denter)
Date: 17 Jun 1996 02:24:29 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
   [email-masked] (Mike Fallopian) wrote:
>Have you considered that it might be plastic?
>
>

not if its like the ones I have...

>In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] says...
>>
>>Hey there...
>>
>>some other kinds of metal.  It's not foil by any stretch, because it's 
>>the thickness of your basic kitchen stainless steel bowls ... but it's 
>>softer and very light.
>>
>>I picked it up, because I thought it would be perfect for simple and 
>>quick repousse or chasing work.  Has anyone who has done this sort of 
>>work with aluminum have any suggestions?
>>
>>-T. Shawn...
>

I have some, they're a very thing steel (I think) maybe even a type of
stainless.  The ones I have are not aluminum.  I bought them for hiking
and camping, so their light weight is very desirable.  

Just be aware that they are extremely easy to puncture (I've put a fork
through one, and I cut through another with a dull knife).

later,
Dean.
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From: [email-masked] (Dean Denter)
Date: 17 Jun 1996 02:27:02 GMT

There are several studies that say that aluminum is bad for you,
and many doctors that recomend that you not use aluminum for cooking.
I still see lots of aluminum pans in the stores here in Ottawa, and
I have yet to see one of the warnings referred to above.

later,
Dean.
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From: [email-masked] (Tim Shoppa)
Date: 16 Jun 1996 20:52:13 GMT

Tim. ([email-masked])

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From: [email-masked] (Jim Naylor)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:28:10 -0600

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Tim
> aluminum containers.  But why would there be such a ban, in any

Excellent question. The "appropriate" warning might be "Danger--eat too
much of this stuff and you might get fat."

Seriously, I think there is concern in some quarters that aluminum has
some sort of link with Alzheimer's disease. I've never seen anything
suggesting actual evidence of where the link is, but conjecture points
fingers at everything from food containers to underarm deodorant. I've yet
to see anyone try to cast suspicion on riding in airplanes, but perhaps
that's because no one's thought of it yet (oops--what have I done?  Please
forgive me, Mr. Boeing.).

-- 
Jim Naylor                             [email-masked]
Wichita KS

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From: [email-masked] (Barry Workman)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 06:49:49 GMT

>-T. Shawn...

recent studies indicate that boxite not aluminum is the real culprit
where food contamination is concerned.  Aluminum food and beverage
containers are plasti-coated inside and out eliminating the problem
there.  It may be that this bowl is aluminum with a plastic coating.
-- 
    - Barry Workman

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From: [email-masked] (Barry Workman)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 06:57:25 GMT

[email-masked](Christoffer) writes:

>On Jun 17, 1996 11:28:10 in article <Re: Metal Dollar Store Bowl Question>,
>[email-masked] (Jim Naylor)' wrote: 
>> 

>I believe I understand the sentiment expressed here.  It 
>would be foolish to panic at every suggestion of 
>possible environmental health hazard.  However, asbestos, 
>lead paints and leaded gasoline were once ubiquitous. 
>The dangers they posed were also denied by the 
>producers and concerned consumers were thought of by 
>many to be Chicken Littles.  I, for one, am glad the 
>dangers were exposed and the products banned. 
> 
>Christoffer 

As far as the asbestos danger -- read a very interesting study on the
problem.  It seems that asbestosis is caused by the asbestos fibers
imbedding themselves in the lung walls.  The lungs are unable to clean
these fibers out because they have a sprial almost corkscrew-like twist
to them.  This is especially true for European origin asbestos.  The
mineral found in the USA also called asbestos has long straight fibers.
These fibers can be expectorated from the lung passageways through the
normal mucus membrane action.  If you wish, get some asbestos -- most
of us can find some small source somewhere -- and look at it under
a microscope.  Look for a bluish color and differentiate that from
the white varity.
The real kicker is that the synthetic fibers now being used to replace
asbestos peal off in short, sprial, almost corkscrew-like fibers...
-- 
    - Barry Workman

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From: [email-masked] (Marty Jones)
Date: 26 Jun 1996 14:24:14 GMT

>Shoppa) writes:
>There is no appropriate warning about foodstuff in aluminum as far as I
>know. However, it is advised not  to store food in aluminum as  tha acids
>may eat through the container. I once had this happen to a pot of my
>homemade chili.
>
>Bill Rittner

I'd be concerned about where the aluminum went that was "eaten".  Probably
now exists as aluminum compounds in the food.  Might be harmful.

Marty Jones

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From: [email-masked] (Robert Nichols)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:53:23 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Marty Jones <[email-masked]> wrote:
:
:I'd be concerned about where the aluminum went that was "eaten".  Probably
:now exists as aluminum compounds in the food.  Might be harmful.

Then I'm sure you are horrified at the thought that many over-the-
counter antacids sold in drugstores contain aluminum hydroxide as
one-half of their active ingredients.  Even occasional use of such
antacids is a far bigger source of dietary aluminum than is routine use
of aluminum cookware.

Followups redirected to alt.sex.aluminum.baseball.bat.

(Not really.)

-- 
Bob Nichols         [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Marty Jones)
Date: 1 Jul 1996 16:07:11 GMT

>antacids is a far bigger source of dietary aluminum than is routine use

No, I wouldn't be horrified at that - obviously these particular compounds were specifically
intended for consumption.  And you probably shouldn't be concerned about routine
use of cookware, either.  But I draw the line at storage for a sufficient time that the
container is noticeably "eaten", as the original poster noted.  That implies a significant
influx of aluminum compounds whose composition is pretty much out of our control.

If you opened a can of soup, and noted that it had dissolved a significant portion of
the can's interior, would you still eat it?  I wouldn't, despite the fact that iron compounds
are a constituent of over-the-counter vitamins.

By the way, I do use aluminum cookware - occasionally - I think - now what was I talking
about?

Best Regards,

Marty Jones

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From: "Duane C. Johnson" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 17:23:04 -0700

> now exists as aluminum compounds in the food.  Might be harmful.

The basic consern stems from the fact that there is an elevated 
quantity of aluminium atoms in the plack in the brains of alzhimers
patients. This elevated aluminium content, however, is not corelated
with the quantity of aluminium consumed. 

In general we consume several lbs. of aluminium in the dirt on food 
we eat each year. The aluminium in the pots and pans that we consume
each year is only a small percentage of our yearly quantity.

The atoms in the plack are not directly related to any known compounds
>from  coroded aluminium. 

This was reported in the book Galileo's Revenge. This book has many
examples of nonscience of which the aluminium scare was one example.

-- 
CUL8ER

Duane C. Johnson
WA0VBE
Red Rock Energy
1825 Florence St.
White Bear Lake, MN, USA 55110-3364
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