Subject: Re: AD ABSURDUM ( Was Hole in the Wheel )

From: [email-masked] (James Cain)
Date: 4 Dec 1996 14:28:01 GMT

Jeffrey Prothero ([email-masked]) wrote:

: On 1 Dec 1996, J.A.Harvey wrote:

: > 
: > Wasn't this guy's original query based on his reluctance to spend the
: > money for a couple of used wheels? Now we have this guy being told to
: > make up a flange, Buy Holes saws, Find a Machine Shop with a big
: > lathe... So what is the upshot $200.00 ? More? Haven't WE been helpful
: > to this guy! When are we going to tell him about home foundries?
: > 

ROFLOL!

I ususally don't laugh this much reading the humor groups!

Peace.

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From: "J. Dunn" <"[email-masked]"@bc.sympatico.ca.>
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 20:55:40 -0800

Dennis A. Armstrong wrote:
> 
> Everyone has missed the point!!!
> 
> The hole in the wheel is there to be able to pick up the wheel.  Think
> about the last time when you handled a wheel - Did you stick your fingers
> into the lug nut holes to lift???  No, You most likely reached into the
> wheel hole and lifted.  Otherwise, the only way to pick up a wheel would
> take two hands.  Messing up this hole leaves grave risk of a burr or sharp
> edge which could cause serious hand cuts.
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> Dennis A. Armstrong
> [email-masked]

You guys are all wrong about the centre hole in the wheel.Have you not 
noticed that its the perfect size to hold your beer when your doing 
your brakes.

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From: Nathan J Nagel <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 22:51:20 -0500

Excerpts from netnews.rec.autos.tech: 4-Dec-96 Re: Hole in the wheel is
to.. by "J. Dunn" <"[email-masked] 
> noticed that its the perfect size to hold your beer when your doing 

So what do you do if you have a five-bolt Bug?

nate

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From: "Rod K. Peterson" <[email-masked]>
Date: 1 Dec 1996 06:19:09 GMT

miker <[email-masked]> wrote in article <[email-masked]>...
> 
> I need a clever way to enlarge the hole without spending more money
> than it would cost to get used wheels.
> 
>  
> Ideas?
> Thanks, miker
> 

Here's what I'd do.....  I would buy a good hole saw of the proper size.  I
would then turn or burn a plate of sufficient diameter to cover the bolt
hole pattern plus a little.  Then I would mark the center of the plate. 
Drill the bolt hole pattern centered about the center mark.  Set the plate
in the drill press and drill through the center mark of the plate with the
hole saw.  Remove from drill press and bolt to wheel.  Now you have a guide
to run the hole saw through that will hold it on center.  Trust me... Hole
saws have saved my bacon many a time.

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 8 Dec 1996 17:10:39 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, randalldaniels
<[email-masked]> writes:

>I agree with the beer theory, besides, drinking beer and doing brakes
>compliment each other well.
>
>

Almost correct!

Drinking beer and doing *anything* complements each other.

Peter
Still importing decent beer to the colonies.

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From: randalldaniels <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 14:24:41 -0500

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From: "Les Whitaker" <[email-masked]>
Date: 9 Dec 1996 21:15:02 GMT

I solved that problem on my 82 chevy with a half-rnd rough file and some
sweat. pick a cool day. You can't get far off as the lug bolts will keep
you honest. Just don't get carried away in one spot, and file from both
sides. Les

> I have a 1990 Nissan Pickup.
> I have snow tires on wheels left over from my 1976 Nissan Pickup.
> The hole in the center of the wheel is about 1/8" too small
> to fit over the hub on the newer axle.
>

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From: Glen Farney <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 14:27:50 -0800

> >It depends on the particular car. 

Perfect statement.

> >Also, some aftermarket wheels don't take advantage of the axle centering
> >and just rely on the lug bolts.

Correct again, I purchased 'multifit rims', never do that again.
 
> Jesus, where are you guys comming up with this. I had a Mercedes, and no,
> the wheels located off the lug nuts. (I'm sorry, lug bolts) The center of the
> wheel did nothing but hold the little Mercedes emblem cap.

I guess Mercedes went both ways, they did make more than one car
ya'know.
 
> I also had two Porsches. The wheels locate off the lug nuts, and, once again
> the center does nothing but hold the Porsche cap.
> 
> I've had several VWs, and one may note, VW wheels don't even have a center
> hole, the center cutout follows a contour around the lug holes.
> 
> If you look at a brake drum, or rotor, from any of the above, they're machined
> flat at the lug holes, but at the axle it's just a rough casting, nothing to
> locate off anyway.

I'm glad we can all sit here and assume that the half a dozen cars that
we have had indicate typical design for hundreds of models.  I have cars
that have hub-centric loading and cars that don't.  In fact, my 4WD
Pathfinder has a hub loaded rim in front, and a flat drum in back, so
obviously, it depends on the car.  How much of the load is carried by
the hub?  I donno, I'm not the engineer that designed the car. (I am an
engineer tho) Even the type of lugs have alot to do with how they work.

Happy Motoring
Glen

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From: [email-masked] (Jim Hanrahan)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:33:07 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked](J.A.Harvey) writes:
>A used wheel at a junk yard will run you all of $5.00. It'll cost $3.00
>a rim to have some kid in a gas station mount them up. $16.00 ( okay
>maybe $20.00 tops ) Doing this any other way is false economy.

>Sometimes, you actually have to PAY for something.:^)

Depends where you live and what places are available. Except for a few 
"secret" small places, the cost for the above around here is:

$15 Used metal rim. (each)
$ 3 Remove and remount. (each)
$ 9 Balance.
$27 Total per wheel for a whopping $54 for the pair!

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  Jim Hanrahan, PE, CP-IA         Naval Surface Warfare Center
  [email-masked]      Annapolis, Maryland, USA

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From: [email-masked] (JD)
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 96 12:04:11 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
>So what do you do if you have a five-bolt Bug?

You need to get a really big can of beer!

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From: [email-masked] (C R Wright)
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 12:16:18 -0600

> You need to get a really big can of beer!

Why do you think the Germans have such wonderful 1 litre Bier Steins?

-cw

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