Subject: Re: BUY AMERICAM PEROID

From: [email-masked] (Jens)
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 03:54:15 -0800

[email-masked] wrote:

>heres the anwser, the salesman DONT have to run this imported SHIT!!
>any day of the week i would buy a 20 year old bridgeport, index, cinn,
>ect. over a brand new chinese junk machine, chrome  hardend  ways and
>all. you see 6 months from now or sooner some plastic gear is going to
>come flying out and down you go. BUY AMERICAN i know i have been
>forced to run this SHIT. BUY AMERICAN !!!

Groan ....
Jens

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From: [email-masked] (Peter Drumm)
Date: 9 Dec 1996 00:28:20 GMT

In message <[email-masked]> - [email-masked], 06 Dec 1996
01:03:23 GMT writes:
:->
:->heres the anwser, the salesman DONT have to run this imported SHIT!!
:->any day of the week i would buy a 20 year old bridgeport, index, cinn,
:->ect. over a brand new chinese junk machine, chrome  hardend  ways and
:->all. you see 6 months from now or sooner some plastic gear is going to
:->come flying out and down you go. BUY AMERICAN i know i have been
:->forced to run this SHIT. BUY AMERICAN !!! Keith  [email-masked]
:->

OK. here's a quest for you. By an American made lathe 12x40 inches or
over, with no fiber or plastic parts(the way they were made years
ago), at least a one year warranty on all moving parts. And I do mean
-every- part has to be Made In America, and assembled in America. Can
you find one?

[email-masked] <http://www.dwave.net/~pdrumm>
Using OS/2 Warp 4!
Wausau, WI. 44d 58m 00s N x 89d 36m 45s W
All opinions are mine alone, you go get your own!

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From: [email-masked] (Chris Pollard)
Date: 9 Dec 1996 00:26:36 GMT

[email-masked] wrote:
: heres the anwser, the salesman DONT have to run this imported SHIT!!
: any day of the week i would buy a 20 year old bridgeport, index, cinn,
: ect. over a brand new chinese junk machine, chrome  hardend  ways and
: all. you see 6 months from now or sooner some plastic gear is going to
: come flying out and down you go. BUY AMERICAN i know i have been
: forced to run this SHIT. BUY AMERICAN !!! Keith  [email-masked]
Then why do high volume production shops run Japanese CNC's - it all
depends on what you want to do and how many times you want to do it. 
Sometimes buying foreign equipment makes financial sense so that a
business can succeed.  If I tried to buy American everything I would soon
go out of business -which would be the opposite of your intention.  One
works in a global economy and compete however you can.

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 01:03:23 GMT

forced to run this SHIT. BUY AMERICAN !!! Keith  [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (John A. Burnett)
Date: 10 Dec 1996 00:52:05 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, JD <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>
>By the way, the best Japanese machines are made in America!

For example ????

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From: [email-masked] (Jens)
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 10:35:08 -0800

[email-masked] (Fitch R. Williams) wrote:

>Lets see ... www.forteinc.com ... that was it, full version
>has a *real* nice feature as I read the borchure .....

Yah, but it only works for newsgroups at the moment - apparently they
are working on a similar feature for email :)

Jens

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From: [email-masked] (JD)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 96 11:40:24 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
   "J. M. Reid" <[email-masked]> wrote:
>All maufacturing is done to spec's.  Whether by the importer or dealer. 
>The manufacturer just follows orders and gets the job by price quote.

Maybe the way things work, in fantasyland.

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From: [email-masked] (JD)
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 96 12:32:21 GMT

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From: "J. M. Reid" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 16:57:21 -0700

All maufacturing is done to spec's.  Whether by the importer or dealer. 
The manufacturer just follows orders and gets the job by price quote.
Know the real source before buying!

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From: [email-masked] (Fitch R. Williams)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 05:51:18 GMT

>forced to run this SHIT. BUY AMERICAN !!! Keith  [email-masked]

Aw shucks, another one ... 

Fitch

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From: [email-masked] (Fitch R. Williams)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 06:04:16 GMT

>Jens

When that enhancement arrives, I will cherish it also, but,
I don't wanna wait.

Fitch
Who gets much more Junk E-mail since he began using NGs

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From: [email-masked] (Scott Logan)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:31:53 GMT

>are working on a similar feature for email :)

It works.  It's called Agent (not Free Agent).  Costs $29.  Also has
Kill-File, and Watch.
Scott Logan
[email-masked]
www.loganact.com

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 9 Dec 1996 21:16:08 GMT

>forced to run this SHIT. BUY AMERICAN !!! Keith  [email-masked]

Some days it just aint fun to read this NG.

Double groan...

Peter

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From: [email-masked] (Jens)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:37:46 -0800

>It works.  It's called Agent (not Free Agent).  Costs $29.  Also has

I use Agent .... (not Free Agent) ... and as stated above it ONLY
works for newsgroups. With email you can set up filing filters so you
could create a folder called 'junk' and have the unwanted email
direted that way but you still end up receiving it and you will need
to delete the stuff manually.

Jens

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From: [email-masked] (Scott Logan)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 01:22:15 GMT

>to delete the stuff manually.

Sorry about that, Chief!  And I "knew" you were using Agent, just
forgot that it doesn't actually "kill" e-mail, but it can junk them,
as you say.  Maybe they'll have this in Agent v1.0.

Scott Logan
[email-masked]
www.loganact.com

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From: [email-masked] (Fitch R. Williams)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 02:48:23 GMT

>www.loganact.com

They just sent an E-mail to all network users from the IT
group at my work (Boeing North Americal) work about some
mail message that is heading around the Internet with the
subject like that talks about "Pen Pals".  "Pen Pal
Greetings, or close to that.  If you get one like that,
don't open it, delete with out reading!

The warning at work indicated it is a carrier for the Trojan
Horse Virus and will almost certainly destroy all your data,
and will also try to propigate itself from your PC to all
the others for which it finds addresses on your hard disk.

They don't  joke about things like  this on 5,000 user
networks so I tend to take it seriously.

Fitch

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 13 Dec 1996 16:40:29 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Fitch R.
Williams) writes:

>T

I can't see how mail text can become active as a virus Fitch. Not saying
it is not possible but having spent the odd few years with a compiler
(circa 1974) I can't see how it could replicate itself from text.

Text is benign, it can't go anywhere unless it becomes a program. Perhaps
if the text is UUENCODEd there could be an imbedded section that generates
the program, you would still need to run that program for it to *do*
anything.

Anyone who runs a new program without *first* checking it for viruses
deserves whatever they get.

Just reading the text could not cause any harm that I can see. It's a good
warning though, reminding us that viruses still abound out there and not
to run anything without first scanning it.

Peter

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From: [email-masked] (Randolph Lee)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:35:13 -0400

>(circa 1974) I can't see how it could replicate itself from text.

Quite right 

see:
http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html#penpal
for the facts on this and other hoaxes

Randolph Lee
Windshadow Engineering

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From: [email-masked] (Peter Brooks)
Date: 11 Dec 1996 18:29:46 GMT

[email-masked] wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] writes:

: >heres the anwser, the salesman DONT have to run this imported SHIT!!
: >any day of the week i would buy a 20 year old bridgeport, index, cinn,
: >ect. over a brand new chinese junk machine, chrome  hardend  ways and
: >all. you see 6 months from now or sooner some plastic gear is going to
: >come flying out and down you go. BUY AMERICAN i know i have been
: >forced to run this SHIT. BUY AMERICAN !!! Keith  [email-masked]
: >
: >

: Some days it just aint fun to read this NG.

: Double groan...

: Peter

Agreed.

Pete Brooks

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From: [email-masked] (Fitch R. Williams)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 07:56:08 GMT

>Peter

You are probably correct (Although I have seen very clever
people do some surprising things with an AllIn1 E-mail
message - and there are some very clever and creative,
albiet a bit sick, folks out there).  I received a nice
informative E-mail from a discrete gentleman who didn't want
to embarass me which I appreciate.  He stated that this
thing was a hoax and backed it up with some information from
a government internet source.  I will extract the meat from
his message and forward it to the folks at my employers IT
organization. - protecting his ID.   He indicated it had
been picked up by and fooled his IT organization as well.

Still, having run a 1,000 user network for a while, I can
tell you it pays to keep your eyes open.  The network I ran
has hosted on VAXs running VMS which made it immune to PC
virus infections.  Propigation was almost non-existant - we
stopped several infections at two PCs, both infected by
floppies brought from infected home machines.  We still
forced virus checks every time a user booted a PC, or once a
day, which ever was less.

Fitch

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 14 Dec 1996 07:49:56 GMT

>to run anything without first scanning it.

  I have seen warnings like this on other newsgroups. I have also seen
postings from people that I tend to believe that they are hoaxes. There
was also supposed to be one called Good Times. I personally don't see how
a virus could be done like this. To me you would have to have some kind of
run command done to the code for it to ever do anything. And as far as I
know there is no way to do a run command on a text file. Now if you have a
program attached to the e-mail and you was to go to it and run it without
checking it then you might have a problem. But only if you run it. I know
that run is a rather archaic usage here but you should get the idea.

   Wayne Cook

Quality is like buying oats,
        if you want nice, clean, fresh oats you must pay a fair price.

However, 
        if you can be satisfied with oats that have already been through
the horse...
                          
That comes a little cheaper...

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From: [email-masked] (Scott Logan)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 15:16:43 GMT

There has been some discussion lately about Internet-borne Viruses.  I
am NO EXPERT on computers or virii (?), but when I got an e-mail
warning of the Deeyenda virus, I checked the experts (IMO), Symantec
(makers of Norton Anti-Virus).  On their Compuserve Forum, I found the
following (from the section leader):

==========================================================

Subject:  Is this real? - Msg Number: 209105
   From:  Duane White <S-L> xxxxx,xxxx
     To:  Douglas W. Pulse Jr. xxxxx,xxx
  Forum:  SYMNEW   Sec: 02-Norton Antivirus 95
   Date:   6-Dec-96 21:15

Douglas,

The message is not for real -- feel free to convey that fact to the
Gentleman who sent it to you suggesting that he, like you, check his
facts before spreading fiction.  The message is a total hoax, a not
even well-done ripoff of the warning message used by the hoax virus
"Good-Times".

Here's the Symantec AntiVirus Research Center report on Deeyenda:

Deeyenda
Aliases:        E-mail, Good Times.Deeyenda, Deeyenda Maddick
Infection length:       Hoax
Area of infection:      Hoax
Likelihood:             Hoax
Region reported:        Worldwide
Characteristics:        Hoax
Target platform:        Hoax
Trigger date:           Hoax

Description:
This "virus" does not exist.

Deeyenda is not a virus; it is a complete hoax. There is currently no
virus that has the characteristics ascribed to Deeyenda. The word of
this supposed virus has been spread through Internet electronic mail,
>from  an apparent student at Carnegie Mellon University.

The mail message describing the virus is taken from the original Good
Time virus e-mail hoax. It could even be described as the first virus
hoax strain.

The message includes the following "warning:"

There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If
you receive an email message with the subject line "Deeyenda", DO NOT
read the message, DELETE it immediately.

It even goes so far as to claim the warning is from the FCC (as does
the Good Times hoax). Further, the message claims that this "[virus]
rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it."

Please ignore any messages regarding this supposed "virus" and do not
pass on any messages regarding it. Passing on messages about this hoax
only serves only to further propagate it.

 Duane <Section Leader>

==================================================

More proof these college kids have WAY too much time on their hands.

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 15 Dec 1996 02:59:11 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Fitch R.

>day, which ever was less.

It pays to be cautious but the nub of propogation is in this paragraph.
The errant floppies from home. As I said previously I wont say it *can't*
be done but I cannot figure a way it could. Mayve there are no programmers
in your IT group?

I guess the height of embarrassment was for a group that distributed a
newsletter called the PC Advisor. It went to corporations world wide for a
hefty annual fee. I wrote many technical articles for them. They had a
special issue on viruses and you can guess, the accompanying monthly disk
had the stoned virus on it.

The virus had been transferred to the copy company's machine from an
earlier copying job, then transferred to the PC Advisor's entire run.
Caused quite a stir. The good side of it was I was paid handsomely to
write a program that they named "Assure" to verify the master diskette and
produce a key value. The diskettes were then labeled with the key value
and the users would first run their version of Assure and it should arrive
at the same value. If it didn't then something had changed from the master
disk to the copy.

The Assure program would verify every byte on the diskette except for two
that I used as a start key for the CRC value each time. If someone can
create a usable virus in two bytes then I guess we still had a problem.
<g>

Peter

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From: [email-masked] (Milt Carlson)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 01:36:37 GMT

>Jens
Or TOS (Polish) or Swiss if you have the money.