Subject: Re: NEED FAST CASH? READ AND TRY THIS!!!!!!

From: Franz Hespenheide <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 23:10:25 -0700

Say Guy...

Keep this CRAP off of our newsgroup!!  This scheme is known as a Ponzi
scheme, is probably illegal, and is based on the "Greater Fool" Theory. 
All a person needs to do is find a greater fool than they are and to 
convince them to throw their money away on this Crap!!

I hope the Feds grab you and toss you in the can for a long time! 

KeEric Foster wrote:
> 
> Hello! I've got some awesome news that I think you need to take two
> minutes

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From: [email-masked](bambi)
Date: 28 Apr 1996 15:03:27 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (RWalter2)
writes: 
>
>Everyone **PLEASE** E-mail the author of this trash and tell him how
much
>you appreciate this posting.
>  His address:  [email-masked] (Eric Foster) 

he must think we are dumber than dirt to fall for a chain
letter/pyramid scheme.  but then pt barnum did say there's a sucker
born every minute.

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From: [email-masked] (RWalter2)
Date: 28 Apr 1996 02:35:25 -0400

Everyone **PLEASE** E-mail the author of this trash and tell him how much
you appreciate this posting.
  His address:  [email-masked] (Eric Foster)

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From: Renee Vivien <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:24:58 -0700

There's nothing more rude than someone who cross-posts their ads or off 
topic twaddle to dozens of newsgroups.

The next worst thing is the follow-ups that are also cross-posted. I 
know it's so tempting to tell the originator how you feel about them, 
but you're contributing to the problem and legitimizing what they've 
done. In many cases, I'm sure the originators are delighted to see their 
ads re-posted over and over. And the crazies are always delighted when 
someone notices them. But you'll notice that many of them hide their 
e-mail address which means they know what they're doing is wrong and 
they don't want to dialog ... they want us as a captive audience.

As hard as it is, the best way to handle these rude people is to ignore 
them completely. If you can figure out their e-mail address, complain to 
their postmaster! That ALWAYS makes me feel better!

Renee Vivien
breaking her own rule about cross-posting by posting this....

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From: Bryce Grevemeyer <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 15:33:40 -0700

Franz Hespenheide wrote:
> <snip>

>  This scheme is known as a Ponzi
> scheme, is probably illegal, 

<snip>

One minor error in the above post was including the
word "probably".  

Make a hard copy of the original, and have a little
chat with your local US Postal Inspector.  They are 
very nice people.  You may call it "Ponzi" they will
probably just call it "Postal Fraud"  Basically they 
take a very dim view of this scheme.  (Did you notice
that you have to send the money through the US Mail?)

They will look up the folks on the
mailing list, as well as the author and have a little 
chat with them.  Like I say, they are very nice 
friendly folks, with a very clear way of explaining
that such things are just not done. So clear in fact,
that even the morons who try and pull this stuff
are able to understand it.     :-)

Cheers
  Bryce

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From: [email-masked] (Bob Sweeney)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:23:26 -0600

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] wrote:

<There's nothing more rude than someone who cross-posts their ads or off 
<topic twaddle to dozens of newsgroups.
<
<The next worst thing is the follow-ups that are also cross-posted. I 
<know it's so tempting to tell the originator how you feel about them, 
<but you're contributing to the problem and legitimizing what they've 
<done. In many cases, I'm sure the originators are delighted to see their 
<ads re-posted over and over. And the crazies are always delighted when 
<someone notices them. But you'll notice that many of them hide their 
<e-mail address which means they know what they're doing is wrong and 
<they don't want to dialog ... they want us as a captive audience.
<
<As hard as it is, the best way to handle these rude people is to ignore 
<them completely. If you can figure out their e-mail address, complain to 
<their postmaster! That ALWAYS makes me feel better!
<
<Renee Vivien
<breaking her own rule about cross-posting by posting this....

Physician, euthanize thyself.

-- 
Bob Sweeney 
[email-masked]
[email-masked]

"We've got to pause and ask ourselves:  How much clean air do we 
need?" -- Lee Iacocca, on Detroit's resistance to tougher auto 
emission standards

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From: [email-masked] (John Hasler)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:33:20 GMT

Renee Vivien writes:
> The next worst thing is the follow-ups that are also cross-posted.
> ...

Simple solution:
Followup-To: junk
-- 

John Hasler		   This posting is in the public domain.
[email-masked]	   Do with it what you will.
Dancing Horse Hill	   Make money from it if you can; I don't mind.
Elmwood, Wisconsin

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From: [email-masked] (John Hasler)
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 20:47:49 GMT

Followups to junk.
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From: Donna Thompson <[email-masked]>
Date: 2 May 1996 19:20:33 GMT

Take your get rich quick scam and put it where the sun doesn't
shine. We may be horse people but were are not dumb.

donna

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From: David Bezinque <[email-masked]>
Date: 3 May 1996 03:55:37 GMT

NOTE:  This was created in Eudora Light with Word Wrap turned on.

Hi there!!!  I just read your post on Usenet and thought I would take a few 
moments to send you an email to tell you what I thought of it.  It's like this.  
Usenet newsgroups are used and read by *millions* of people around the world every 
day.  Sometime a new user makes a ligitimate mistake.  More rarely, an experienced 
user will make a ligitimate mistake.  Others dileberately abuse the system and 
waste the time of these *millions* of Usenet readers.  This can happen in one or 
more of several ways.

First, the poster may post to the wrong newsgroup.  The most common error is to 
post a "test".  The newsgroup, "alt.test" has been specifically set aside for this 
purpose so please post your tests there.  Secondly, the poster can post to a lot 
of newsgroups at the same time.  This kind of post, to many newsgroups is called a 
"spam" and the person who does it is called a "spammer".

Persons such as myself have a tendency to resent it when you do something like 
this.  We have several methods of retaliating.  The first is to email a "flame" to 
you, the poster.  A "flame" is a message that is hateful, sometimes contains rude 
or even obscene language, or goes on and on ranting and raving on some topic or at 
some person.  Another tactic is to write your postmaster and ask them to pull you 
account and kick you out.  Finally, we can send you a large nember of LONNNG and 
*irrelivant* email messages until you get the idea (After all, you sent us an 
*irrelivant* post).

In this particular instance, I have chosen to give you the benifit of a doubt and 
assume that you have made a legitimate error and responded by sending you this 
nice letter.  Perhaps the error was on my part and I failed to understand the 
point of your post.  In this circumstance I recomend that you rewrite and then 
*proof read* your post.  Finally, ask yourself the question "Is this appropriate 
to this Usenet newsgroup?".

On the other hand it may be that you are a spammer. In this case, I am directing 
the paragraph below to you specifically.

Over a period of time, spammers often suffer the punishment of the primative 
machine.  It is simply this.  "May your organs of gender become entangled in a 
large machine opperating at an excruciatingly low speed.  May you then discover 
that you are alone and that the stop button is just out of reach".

Copylefted April 29, 1996 by David Bezinque

[email-masked]

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From: David Bezinque <[email-masked]>
Date: 3 May 1996 04:02:05 GMT

Hi there!!!  I just read your post on Usenet and thought I would take a few moments to send you 
a reply to tell you what I thought of it.  It's like this.  Usenet newsgroups are used and read 
by *millions* of people around the world every day.  Sometime a new user makes a ligitimate 
mistake.  More rarely, an experienced user will make a ligitimate mistake.  Others dileberately 
abuse the system and waste the time of these *millions* of Usenet readers.  This can happen in 
one or more of several ways.

First, the poster may post to the wrong newsgroup.  The most common error is to post a "test". 
 The newsgroup, "alt.test" has been specifically set aside for this purpose so please post your 
tests there.  Secondly, a person can make an inappropriate post.  Finally, the poster can post 
to a lot of newsgroups at the same time.  This kind of post, to many newsgroups is called a 
"spam" and the person who does it is called a "spammer".

Persons such as myself have a tendency to resent it when you do something like this.  We have 
several methods of retaliating.  The first is to email a "flame" to you, the poster.  A "flame" 
is a message that is hateful, sometimes contains rude or even obscene language, or goes on and 
on ranting and raving on some topic or at some person.  Another tactic is to write your 
postmaster and ask them to pull you account and kick you out.  Finally, we can send you a large 
nember of LONNNG and *irrelivant* email messages until you get the idea (After all, you sent us 
an *irrelivant* post).

In this particular instance, I have chosen to give you the benifit of a doubt and assume that 
you have made a legitimate error and responded by sending you this nice letter.  Perhaps the 
error was on my part and I failed to understand the point of your post.  In this circumstance I 
recomend that you rewrite and then *proof read* your post.  Finally, ask yourself the question 
"Is this appropriate to this Usenet newsgroup?".

On the other hand it may be that you are a spammer. In this case, I am directing the paragraph 
below to you specifically.

Over a period of time, spammers often suffer the punishment of the primative machine.  It is 
simply this.  "May your organs of gender become entangled in a large machine opperating at an 
excruciatingly low speed.  May you then discover that you are alone and that the stop button is 
just out of reach".

Copylefted April 29, 1996 by David Bezinque  ><>

[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Tim Robinson)
Date: Fri, 03 May 96 08:34:04 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
   David Bezinque <[email-masked]> wrote:
[nice response to spam removed]

David, yer to f***ing nice.  It's a Ponzi scheme; it's illegal; every ISP 
notifies their users of the consequences; only the damnably clueless and 
deliberately ignorant persist.

Forward to the jackass's postmaster and be done with it.

Note:  This wasn't a flame.  I have trouble with the notion of extending 
malice to someone who framed such a nice response... even to a jerk.

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From: Bo Eakens <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 06:58:04 -0500

If anyone has the original post of this message please email it to me. I
have
contacted his system administrator and we may be able to get bsweeny's
account
closed with HIWAAY if we can find the original post. Thanks for any
help.