Subject: Re: Don't be shortsighted from online services

From: George Edwards <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 15:23:56 -0600

You can have a chat room and not be in AOL...Compuserve...Prodigy...etc.

They all have "limited" access to the real IRC (Internet Relay Chat)
anyway.  And if you form a group internal to any one of them...no one
outside their client group can enter into the discussion anyway.

Suggestion:  If you want a chat group open to everyone (including folks
using AOL type connects) get on the IRC.  I use an ISP (internet service
provider) and connect to one of the many undernet servers around the
world.  I use mIRC (you can download it from their home page).  This is
the client software program that you use like a browser.  You can use
Netscapes...NSChat...pIRCh...or many others.  Most of them can be
downloaded and registration is usually only $10 to $15.  

George

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 7 Dec 1996 00:20:53 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
writes:

>And I think you're both wrong.  I like the idea of a metalworking chat
room,
>if the "monitors" can throw people out who have no purpose there or
aren't
>serious or just 
>fooling around.  I would like a place to ask direct questions about our
>industry and get immediate follow-up, rather than this posting stuff.
>
>

I agree with you as long as there is some kind of control. It could  be
fun and informative.

Bill Rittner

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 9 Dec 1996 21:16:22 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Fitch R.
Williams) writes:

>Smelling the roses is also doing something.  So is looking
>off across a high desert valley, smelling the breeze, loving
>the sunshine, and sipping fresh coffee while the mill makes
>a nice cut.  Did that today.  Highly recommended.
>
>

You are indeed a rich man Fitch.

Peter

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From: [email-masked] (Fitch R. Williams)
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 14:17:02 GMT

[email-masked] wrote:

<Snip>

>I think Omar Kiam summed it up nicely...

>Make the most of what ye yet may spend,
>before ye too, unto the dust decend.
>Dust to dust and dust to lie,
>san wine, san song, sans singer, sans end.

>Peter
>Hommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

>PS 'sans' means 'without'

Omar Kiam, yes indeed.  Lot in there.

Fitch's equivelent, not as poetic:

Life is not a spectator sport, it is a first person
experience.  Get off the couch, do something, get a life.
"Couch Potato" is another way of saying "living dead".
Television is a spectator sport.

Fitch

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 6 Dec 1996 17:53:39 GMT

room,
aren't
>-

Think of the "posting stuff" as therapy Mark, slow down a little. You are
a long time dead. There will be machines bought and sold long after we are
both gone and in the giant scheme of things we wont be missed.

Posting is neat, it gives you a chance to anticipate the thread and expand
your opinions mulling over the responses you have already received.

Perhaps if you had longer to think you may have changed "majordomo" to
send pointers to graphics rather than just whack it online and spew the
stuff to everyone whether they need it or wanted it or not.

Smell the flowers, take the wife to dinner, don't watch TV for three days.

Think about what you will be taking with you when you die.

Peter

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From: [email-masked] (Jens)
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 23:56:23 -0800

>Smell the flowers, take the wife to dinner, don't watch TV for three days.

Don't watch TV ????  DON'T WATCH TV ?????  You've got to be kidding !!
How will I know what products to buy, how to dress, how to speak, what
car to drive and what bank to go to ???? How could you possibly exist
without TV ???? I think I'll give the MCP (Mind Control Police) a call
and tell them about you. I mean like this is how revolutions start
.... next thing you'll spout out about thinking for yerself ....
Where is this world comming to ????

Jens
(totally disgusted and disappointed about Peter - need to add him to
my kill file to avoid brain contamination by his posts)

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 5 Dec 1996 04:43:01 GMT

>   [email-masked] (Fitch R. Williams) writes:
>  Larry Matthess <[email-masked]> wrote:
>  
>  >Subject: metalworking chat room
>  
>  >In article <[email-masked]> ,
>  >[email-masked] writes:
>  
>  >>Don't you guys think it will be nice to have an AOL chat room about
>  >>metal? You can got to "Member Rooms" and set up a new chat room. We
>  >>just need to set up a time to chat.
>  
>  
>  
>  >No.
>  >Tried AOL, found it wasnt for me at all.  Would hate to think that
>  >some of the discussion I am privy to here would leave to a form I
>  >have no access to and never plan to again.
>  >My $0.02.
>  
>  >     Larry M
>  
>  
>  Me either.  I left compuserve and don't have any intention
>  of joining another of the "major" on line services again.  
>  
>  Add my $0.02.
>  
>  Fitch
>  
>  
>>>>
And I think you're both wrong.  I like the idea of a metalworking chat room, if the "monitors" can throw people out who have no purpose there or aren't serious or just 
fooling around.  I would like a place to ask direct questions about our industry and get immediate follow-up, rather than this posting stuff.

--- Mark Rogo, Morton Machinery Company
Add my $0.02

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 6 Dec 1996 13:58:41 GMT

Dear MarK Rogo:
Dear Forum members:

I have noted your comments with interest, I have both
CIS and AOL accounts, neither of which gives me the
bandwidth of qualified engineers, as those assembled
around rec.crafts.metalworking.

Having used the on-line media for a very long time, I have
concluded that even unregulated Forums like this one
will regulate themselves, by a mechanism I still have to
fully understand.

On the end of the day, its the quality of the Forum which
matters, and we are on the right track. This is not to say
that your observations are wrong, we just happen to
have a different angle of observation and personal
experience.

Let me also express my thanks to the boys in the IT engine
room, for keeping this show on the road.

Alberto