Subject: Re: 9" Southbend, how much?

From: [email-masked] (Gary Lowell)
Date: 8 Dec 1996 05:51:22 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Tom Burns  <[email-masked]> wrote:
>I'm looking at a 9" southbend lathe that appears to be in good 
>condition, with 3 jaws (two) and four jaw and faceplate. Any opinins on 
>what I should offer for this machine?...Tom
>

I can offer a couple data points.  I missed a clean 9" SB for $500
just recently, and two weeks ago I bought a 9" SB Model C at an
estate sale for $400.  The machine that I bought needs a bit of clean
up, but the spindle turned freely, and I didn't see any light under
a straitedge place on the ways.

Both machines included faceplate, three chucks, and a set
of change gears.  I occasionally see them advertised much higher
but that might be due to having quick change gears or power feed.

Cheers,
Gary

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From: Tom Burns <[email-masked]>
Date: 7 Dec 1996 06:49:53 GMT

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 8 Dec 1996 21:52:18 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Gary

>but that might be due to having quick change gears or power feed.

  Good grief. Why can't anybody around here let one go for that. The last
SB that I know about went for over $1200 at a auction. Around here junk
goes for more than the good big stuff. Oh well.

   Wayne Cook

Quality is like buying oats,
        if you want nice, clean, fresh oats you must pay a fair price.

However, 
        if you can be satisfied with oats that have already been through
the horse...
                          
That comes a little cheaper...

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From: Tom Burns <[email-masked]>
Date: 9 Dec 1996 19:25:58 GMT

[email-masked] (Fitch R. Williams) wrote:
>
>Do you know what model it is?  A, B, or C?
>
>Does it have a quick change gear box?  If not, are the
>change gears there?  Is it flat belt or V belt drive, does
>it have the two speed counter shaft?  Did it have hand
>scraped ways?  
>
>Is your condition assessment based on measuring it?  How
>clean it is?  Some knowledge of its history - hobby use only
>for 45 years, etc.?
>
>Fitch
>
>

I think it's a B, it appears to have cross feed and QC gearbox, 
flatbelt, I don't know about counter shaft. I don't know how to tell if 
ways are hand scraped. Lathe is govt. surplus from the FCC has not been 
used for the last 18 years. I would guess that it was manuf. in the 
60's. I did spot a broken back gear &* shaft in the tooling box. It had 
been replaced. Does this help?...Tom

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From: [email-masked] (Fitch R. Williams)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:11:29 GMT

>been replaced. Does this help?...Tom

A little - I looked at a lot of them in stores.  Most were
may have been  over priced - they were all $750 and up, some
pretty rough, so I walked away from them.  I saw a two
really good ones, they were already sold to the first
customer that answered the advertisement when I got there,
both for over $1,300.  Then I hear about them going for $400
to $600 in private sales, always almost mint, but never
found one in several years of looking off and on.  Do you
have a friend or aquaintance that can look at it with you?

I asked about the had scrapped ways because if it has them,
you can tell from the pattern wear how much use it has had.
The hand scraping leaves a unique pattern on the ways.  If
it was scraped you will probably see it best on the tail
stock end.  If the pattern is still visible near the head
stock end, it was probably little used.  If there is no
pattern near the tailstock end, it was probably not one of
the hand scrapped ones.

The two speed countershaft is nice to have.  You can tell it
because it has a dual diameter large pulley on the counter
shaft (note it is not two groove - it has two diameters the
belt rides on), and a two groove motor pulley.  Some of them
had a special 1/2 hp plain bushing motor with a quick
reversing feature.  (Good and bad - it can unscrew your
chuck right before you eyes - and you can use it at low
apeed for threading up to a shoulder, I have done it lots of
times - maybe I was luckey but the chuck never came off.)

Fitch

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From: [email-masked] (Fitch R. Williams)
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 14:17:16 GMT

Fitch