Subject: universal energies/forces

From: Lee Butler <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:37:10 GMT

I love the discussion to determine if gravity is an energy of a force. Come
on boys, back to basics. What is the effective difference when it comes to
moving mass or doing work. Gravity creates the wind. Wind creates torque.
Torque can be converted to heat.
In gravity convection, we speak of loops. If you change the temperature of
a liquid or a gas, you change the denisty. In a loop, if you add or
subtract heat to one side, you will create differential density ( between
the two columns of liquid or gas) causing the colder side of the loop to
fall.

Not that you would want to do it, but you could build a solar chimney in
which you put hudge air foil blades which turned whenever the air rises. I
am simply saying that this system is superior to one which uses a crystal
to generate electricity, then uses the electricity to move air or create
torque. Building the crystal is harder than building the solar chimney.
Storage for the solar chimney system could be in the form of heat, stored
in earth mass, water or whatever. Storage for the electrical power would be
far more complicated and harder to maintain.

All of this assumes you are dealing with a client who wants something
quiet, safe, trouble free and simple to fix should anything every go wrong
with the system.

Solar electricity makes sense for providing lighting and certain electronic
applications which demand electrical power. Even up to 85 % of all lighting
could be done through well designed daylighting and ionically activated
phosphorescence surface coatings.

The other energy this board is ignoring is the thermal capacity of the
earth to influence and dominate the interior temperatures of our buildings.
The earth stays cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter, than the
temperatures at which we design our buildings. This is true virtually
anywhere in the world, meaning, we are ignoring the energy of thermal
inertia, represented by the mass of earth directly beneath our feet. Again,
this is energy which is everywhere, doesn't cost anything once a design is
created to utilize it, is quiet, pollution free. Any more questions.

Food. Food is energy. there is mounting evidence that we eat too much and
more specifically, we eat things which are known to cause deadly diseases.
In other words, we are getting our energy from corrupted and dishonest
sources which do not care if we individually, the consumers of their
products, live or die. How we cook our food and what kind of foods we
combine is very important. Without this knowledge, we suffer from many
forms of disease and die.

Without art or creative forms of self expression, the individual becomes
depressed and neurotic. The present emphasis on money and only money is
creating a society of boring lonely people. Everyone is afraid to talk
about it, however, the time is coming soon, when the pain of isolation will
become too great. People will recognize and accept theri need for artistic
expression through poetry, painting, sculpture, writing, theater,
gardening, and architecture. Our century is coming to a close with a
country overun by attorneys, bureaucrats, accountants, bean counters and
technocrats at the local, state and national levels. None of these people
make anything. All they do is sell it, account for it and print paper
subsittutes for real wealth. The unfortunate thing is, they control the
country.

The third wave describes what is happening now perfectly, just that no one
wants to accept how far it is going to go. Mindless machismo politico
police tactics are dead. Long live the revolution.

Alpha lee Rainbow Light

The Tall White men with ties

meet in their office tower board rooms
and tell each other lies
about the sizes of their portfolios
while paid cheap white trash female suckers drain their plumbing
belore the big sucker kill
waiting in the next room
 full of invited suckers listening to their lies

The tall white men with ties
Planning now  to industrialize
the next unsuspecting third world culture
sentencing the people to daily slavery
polluting the beautiful earth
felling all of the tall trees
exhausting every square inch of earth
paving over more of it with asphalt and concrete
for obscene profit and more discretionary income

the tall white men with ties
blowing up old buildings
destroying resources, buildings and effort while
allowing there brothers to go homeless and without love
sending off powerful rockets to the moon
looking for more territory to desecrate and destroy
blowing up each other in war

The tall white men with ties
telling all their lies
killing all of their wives and their children
the king white aristocrats of hate
this KKK of late
The Tall white men with ties of Wall Street
making up the wrap
legalizing con games and crap shoots
the hypnotic tunes of Madison Avenue
seducing the poor working schmuck
into beating his wife
into ignoring their children
into mortaging their life's work
for the latest consumer electronics
and cheap weekend thrills in a trendy spa resort
and a fantasy life in a country club golf course real estate development
Where will it end up?
When will it ever end?
who is responsible for the soul of man?
Who is responsible for the earth?
Who is accountable to our future generations?
Who is accountable to the cosmos?
When is enough enough
enough is enough
small is beautiful
less is more

Lee Porter Butler
620 Biscayne Drive
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
407-659-7656

universal energies/forces

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From: Lee Butler <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 07:58:26 GMT

>>Lee Porter Butler writes
>Wrong. Gravity does not create the wind. The energy input is solar energy
>which alters air density. Gravity is a force which is exerted on the fluid.

Solar creates the differential density. Gravity creates the movement of
air. The movement of air transfers heat and can be used to create torque.
>
>There is no energy input from Gravity. As air rises the solar energy input
>is stored as gravitational potential energy. When it falls the stored
>gravitational potential energy is exchanged for kinetic energy. The storage
>of energy exactly equals the return. This is what is meant by saying the
>gravitational field is conservative.
>
>You can store energy by moving mass to higher altitudes in a conservative
>field. You cannot generate energy from it.
>
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>Electrical Engineering                    \o/
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>Australia
>Tel +61 79 30 9599
>Fax +61 79 30 9382
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>
>Re: universal energies/forces

So in all the old buildings which were built before fans of forced
mechanical air movement systems, to what force or energy does one attribute
the movement of air. What does the term "gravity convection" mean?

If one builds a solar chimney and the moving air turns a wind ( rising air)
turbine, I say the air would not move were it not for the solar heat (
added to the system) and the air would not move without the " force" of
gravity applied to the system.

What good is one without the other? The air will not move without the
existence of either "force or energy". Why does changing the height of a
"solar chimney" change the effective work which can be accomplished with a
fixed amount of applied solar heat?

What "force is at work when,in the middle of the night or during long
cloudy periods, heat and air is pumped up from deep in the ground below the
envelope houses?

What force moves a pendulum? Gravity plus the rotational movements of the earth.

Some day, when physicists overcome their lack of understanding of gravity,
we will use it to pull of space ships through hyperspace at speeds far in
excess of the speed of light. Physicists are dumfounded with limits. There
are no real limits, to our ability to imagine somthing.

I realize that we are all wasting time. I believe that all funds now being
used to destroy matter ( high energy physics ) fission research, big bang
theory, etc. should be terminated untill all human binegs have at least a
primary education and enough to eat. This is what I call common sense
priorities. What we have going on now is what I call nonesense.

Alpha Lee

Lee Porter Butler
620 Biscayne Drive

Re: universal energies/forces

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From: Lee Butler <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:11:47 GMT

Gobblegook. Egg heads, nerds, impractical imperilists, extinct.

Neither is capillary action, evaporative cooling, osmosis or physical
expansion due to changes in temperature an energy, but they can be utilized
to serve human beings and they do not cost anything.
When will you boys stop using raw horsepower And atomic energy to cut hot
butter?Alpha Lee

Lee Porter Butler
620 Biscayne Drive

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From: Lee Butler <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:24:00 GMT

It is this kind of pedantic, reductionistic thinking which has brought the
world into the amazing wonders of modern technology. Personally I can not
disprove anything you are saying.I simply stand by my houses as the most
comfortable, open, light airy, easy to maintain, beautiful of any in the
world. All the arguments, pro and con about why they work and how they work
are scientific bs.

I will continue to utilize gravity, evaporative cooling, and dozens of
other " energies" to power my natural living organic systems. You can
continue building and getting your power the old way. Eventually, you will
run out of bs and the fuel you are consuming.

It is combustion and friction which are the enemy, along with
centralization and closed scientific minds who practive architecture.
Alpha Lee

Lee Porter Butler
620 Biscayne Drive

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From: Lee Butler <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:26:27 GMT

>>In article <[email-masked]> Lee Butler
>> <[email-masked]> writes:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> Gravity creates the wind.
>                No gravity no rising or falling of the air mass because of
>differential densities.
>                Least that 's how i sees it..
>
>
>>
>>
>>Hmmm... I thought that solar heating of the atmosphere combined with the
>>Earth's rotation creates the wind.  Darn.  So the best place for wind farms
>>would be at the base of really tall mountains?  ;^)
>>
>                Any chopper pilot will tell you that you HAVE to be real
>careful during mountain operations.. seem to be tremendous up and down
>drafts.. probably in part due to the THERMALS from Rising and Falling air
>because air gets hot, less dense,and rises on the sunnysie of the mountain..
>Then on the cooler darker side of the mountain it sinks...but it wouldnt
>sink OR rise in a gravityless environment.. ( warm air wouldn't be lighter
>than cool air )
>                I would think that a properly selected mountain site that
>took into account direction of prevailing wind and existing thermals would
>have tremedous potential as a wind mill site
>

Thank you. Alpha Lee

Lee Porter Butler
620 Biscayne Drive

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From: Lee Butler <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:30:20 GMT

><snipping of much drivel>
>
>Gee Lee, I'm kinda tall, I'm of the male gender, and even wear a tie
>occasionally; but, I work in and for renewable energy.  Did I miss something?
>
>But seriously, please watch the generalizations, particularly when combined
>with that kind of invective.  If we're going to get out of the mess we've
>created, everyone, including a whole bunch of tall white guys, have to work
>together with mutual respect.
>
>later
>Kevin
>
>- All opinions expressed are solely those of the author -
>

If the poem fits, wear it. If you can still act and think independently in
a tie environment, more power to you. I simply find the arrogant, up tight
Hravard-MIT attitude or business approach so monodimensional and boring. I
did not mean to imply that everyone who wore a tie was brain dead, just 95%
of them.

By the same token, if you go casual, it does not mean that you think for
yourself. Consider thisThe Palm Beaches
by Lee Porter Butler

West Palm Beach, or "Waste Palm Beach", as it is know by the midnight
underground alternative youth culture,( i.e The Flow and Rage, Red Heron )
is a microcosm or mini version of what is happening in the whole wide
world. It is easy to criticize, so that is what I am going to do here. I am
also going to offer a solution.

We have attempted to introduce some progressive, positive ideas, actions
and solutions to the problems of the revitalization of the down town area.
These ideas have been directed at the youth, who presently have no where to
go and nothing to do.

 The problem is we live in a money culture. If you have no money,you can
not be a part of the culture. Of course we have nature and that is free,
but if you are poor stay out of our downtown, it is for upwardly mobile,
well heeled,  material consumers.There is no place for art or alternative
economies.

The leaders of this community ignore the poor people, the children, the
defenseless, gays, Negros, Hispanics and individual artists who choose not
be a part of the system. I honestly believe that it would be correct to say
the the downtown developers, authorities and political leaders do not
understand art of life at all. All they know is concrete, accounting,
conceptual principles of mass production, laws and banking. In failing to
understand art and life, the aging fathers and young politically correct
clones are feeding the causes of crime, juvenile delinquency and begging
for another violent revolution.Their high rates of alcoholism & divorce are
just a symptoms of their deeper inner miseries.

Why should our young people respect what these old buzzards are doing or
who they are, when they do not allow alternative points of view to even be
heard. Our local politicians and city leaders all act petty, egotistical
and can not delegate responsibility or get anything done. i.e. therefore
instead of leaving our beautiful 10 year old streetscape and thirty foot
tall shade trees along Clematis be, they blew them up to replace them with
newer trees and sidewalks. 2.9 mil Just like the Pennsylvania Hotel 2.0 mil
The Holiday Inn 2.0 mil the Police Station 5.0 mil and the entrance to the
main downtown library, another mil or two.Pretty soon you are talking "real
money". Why? What for? Why is there no day care for working mothers? Why
are there not more books in our library or the latest computerized internet
connections which could free our local poor from ignorance and poverty. Why
did they close the downtown swimming pool? Where are our priorities? Have
we lost our minds?

We can now gaze at a (expensive to operate) computerized fountain, that
wastes precious water supplies  through high rates of evaporation. Why? So
we can attract more tourists. Do we really want downtown West Palm Beach to
be like South Beach? Most locals I know  say no. Then why do we have these
machismo juveniles running and ruining our beautiful city? Why did they cut
the 80' tall Olive shade tree which my wife and I tried to save at the Art
Armory? To cover more earth with concrete and build a wider sidewalk.
Idiotic Why did they just cut another tree? To cover more earth with
concrete.Idiotic. Progress, no. For profit, Yes. No. You decide. Power to
an old crowd of destructors and dominators. We have concrete at the Art
Armory while artists starve and languish for lack of basic support. We call
this the concretization of the earth. Our community will eventually end up
looking and feeling like New York or  Miami, a concrete jungle, a
nightmare, out of control. It starts small.

We are calling for a silent revolution. A Peaceful revolution. A expedient
and efficient revolution. Let the people who know speak. Let the others
remain silent. Let the leaders lead. Let the other follow. If it sounds
like I am running for something but I am not. I just want responsible
leaders who will communicate with their people. I am calling for an end to
the disparity of wealth here in Palm Beach county, to the end of millions
of square feet aging empty impotent warehouses and commercial buildings
which are presently legally inaccessible to the people who could actually
use them for self supporting and productive purposes.

I don't care what we have to call it. I don"t care who gets paid or how
much. I want to know why we have all these starving artists, needing studio
and living space, with no visible means of support cannot communicate with
the rich property owners, clinging to their wealth, self righteously
preaching to the artists to get a job. That is anti art and I call it anti
life.

In the past, 1776, 1860, and 1917, and throughout this century in China,
large masses of law abiding citizens, driven past their ability to
understand their dominators, stormed the bastions of power and took the
space and resources from the emperors, Tsars and Kings. In America, twice
the people have demanded local rule. In 1776 freedom won. In 1860 the
empiralists or federalists won. It is a situation something like the
ancient Egyptian civilization, instead of a pharaoh, we have a president. I
believe it is time for the people to reject this antiquated concept. I
hereby declare my primary allegiance to the earth and not to any political
nation or power which has temporarily established itself here on earth. The
time has come to end corruption. If everyone would simply tell the truth (
their own feelings) , evil would disappear.

We propose that the new growth business of Downtown West Palm  Beach be
environmental education and entertainment. A kind of ecotourism resort,
where the latest in benign ecologically sustainable life styles and
technologies would be visible and being demonstrated for profit and fun.
Health oriented, we have the perfect climate in which to develop something
like this. We have the two  most important ingredients, sunshine and water.
All it takes is  vision & leadership, scholarship and acts of distinction
on the part of each and every person who lives here. Help us convince the
powers that be to start this multiversity now.

Lee Porter Butler
620 Biscayne Drive