Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 . __ . . -*- N A M V E T -*- ____/ \_ . . ( * \ . . Managing Editors \ Quangtri . . -------------- \_/\ \_ Hue . . G. Joseph Peck \_Ashau Phu Bai . . Todd C. Looney \_* \_ . . \ * ) . . Distribution Manager _/ Danang . . Jerry Hindle ( \_*Chu Lai . . \_ ------- \__ . . Section Editors \_ I Corps \ . . --------------- \ ------- ! . . PTSD: Kathleen Kelly, Ph.D. /\_____ ! . . AGENT ORANGE: Martin H. Kroll, Sr. / ! \ . . MIA-POW: Rick Stolz ! !___ \ . . Glenn Toothman ! \/\____! . . HOMELESSNESS: Lefty Frizzell ! ! . . FEDERAL BENEFITS: Jim Hildwine / Dak To ! . . INCARCERATED VETS: Todd C. Looney / * / . . Joyce Flory ! \_ . . MEMORIALS: Aaron Schmiedel ! Phu Cat\ . . MEMORIES: G. Joseph Peck \ * * ) . . IN-TOUCH: Ray "Frenchy" Moreau \ Pleiku ) . . CHAPLAIN: Rev. Ed Brant \ \ . . -**- N A M V E T -**- / / . . "In the jungles of 'Nam, some of us ( -------- ! . . were scared and wary, but we pulled _\ II Corps ! . . one another along and were able / -------- \ . . to depend on each other. That has \ \ . . never changed. Today, free of the ! * / . . criticisms and misunderstandings _/ Nhatrang / . . many veterans have endured, _/ / . . NAM VET is a shining beacon, __/ ! . . a ray of hope, and a _ __/ \ ! . . reminder that the _____( )/ ! Camranh Bay . . lessons learned / !__ ! . . at such a high / \ / . . price shall not \ Bien Hoa \ / . . be forgotten - ! Chu Chi * \ __/ . . nor the errors \_ * --------- \ ___/ . . repeated!!!" ____ \ III Corps \ _/ . . / \_____) )_(_ --------- !__/ Duplication in . . ! ( ___/ any form permitted . . _____! \__ * ___/ for NONCOMMERCIAL . . ! Saigon/ purposes ONLY! . . \___ -------- / \/ . . \ IV Corps / For other use, contact: . . ) -------- / Managing Editors . . / ! Todd C. Looney (408) 947-8439 . . / ____/ G. Joseph Peck (413) 442-1660 . . / Mekong/ . . ! Delta/ This newsletter is comprised of articles . . ! ____/ and items from individuals and other . . ! / sources. We are not responsible for the . . ! / content of this information nor are any of . . ! __/ NAM VETs contributors or Section Editors. . . \_/ gjp . . . NAM VET Newsletter Page i Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 ================================================================== T A B L E O F C O N T E N T S 1. EDITORIALS TDY: Faith n' Footprints ................................ 1 Reflections in Memorium .................................. 3 2. Agent Orange Agent Orange Update, June 1990 ........................... 5 Break out the Clearsil ! ............................. 9 3. Veteran Benefits & Info Veteran Service Commissioners/Directors .................. 10 REUNION UPDATE ........................................... 12 4. Missing!!! Our POWs are Expendable .................................. 48 To Remember and Honor .................................... 49 They Haven't Forgotten US!!! ............................. 50 5. Memories n' Special Articles The War Came Home with Them .............................. 51 Vets Ambushed ............................................ 56 The Wall, Your Wall, My Wall ............................. 57 Mother Writes to Son Killed in Vietnam ................... 58 Wife Sees Cruelty of Her Vietnam Apathy .................. 60 Public Apology ........................................... 62 6. When the Chaplain whispers... A New Fight New Weapons .................................. 64 The Electronic Chapel .................................... 66 7. Hearts & Minds Doctor Helps Vets Deal with Vietnam ...................... 67 A Study of the War Dreams of VN Combat Vets .............. 70 8. In-Touch - New Service!!! In-Touch: What is it??? .................................. 86 In Touch Application Form ................................ 89 9. Concentrated Service NamVet/IVVEC Concentrated Service Report ................. 91 10. IVVEC & NamVet - WHERE? NamVet Roll Call ......................................... 92 IVVEC Nodelist ........................................... 94 Some Gave All ............................................ 97 NAM VET Newsletter Page ii Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 ================================================================== E D I T O R I A L S ================================================================== TDY: Faith n' Footprints By: G. Joseph Peck NAM VET Managing Editor VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA (413) 443-6313 "Footprints" I remember the poem. Saw it the first time when I was battlin' for custody of the children of my first marriage. It came at a time I sorely needed it. "Footprints" - a poem that sorta goes like: "Hey Lord! Ya said you'd ALWAYS be with me! I had a dream the other night. You and I were walking along the beach. Suddenly scenes of my past life flashed across the sky. For each scene, I noticed two sets of footprints in the sand - one belonged to me and the others were yours. When the last scenes of my life flashed by, I noticed that during the roughest, toughest times along my pathway of life, there was only ONE set of footprints. You said you'd ALWAYS walk with me! Why was there only ONE set? 'My precious, precious child,' said the Lord. 'When you noticed only ONE set of footprints, it was THEN that 'I' carried you." "Footprints" Many times in MY life, the ones in the sand sure weren't mine - even though it was MY life's path I was lookin' at... Many of you out here in "NamVet-world" know that I've been sorta beset by one crisis situation after another for the past few months. THIS month, I've been HAMMERED by 'em... One rainy, thunderstorm-type night I shut off VETLink #1 to protect it from any static electricity. When I turned it back on, it wouldn't come on. 1 motherboard; 1 power supply; 1 multi-I/O board; lotta disk reformatting/backing up and a lot of hours and VETLink #1 was back on-line and limping along... The "Footprints" then looked a little like Lefty's... and a little further on down the path, they look like they've been added to by a fellow vet named Randy when it came to getting our original hard disk put back in operating order... (Boy! You guys gots BIG feet!!!) Job after job I've applied for. Job after job I've interviewed for. And job after job, I've received letters that stated "Your qualifications are impressive. A person with your talents will do well. However..." "Footprints" - they really weren't mine then either. The US Postal Service, after all our concentrated efforts to finally find this disabled vet a job (ME), advised me that even if I were allowed to take the exam for a postal custodian, there's still a lifting requirement (ya MUST be able to lift continuously 70=75lbs). The VA says I can't lift more than 5-15 lbs. The Postal Service said they'd have to disqualify me for that job. ("But that'll be GOOD for your wife," they said. "Then SHE can NAM VET Newsletter Page 1 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 have your ten-points veterans' preference!") "Footprints" - Lord I KNOW ya got a reason for all this... In our December, 1989 CONCENTRATED SERVICE section I input the basic situation concerning the house/home of my family and I. In today's (6/17/90) local paper there appeared an advertisement notifying our local community of a public auction of our house/home on 22 June 90. "Footprints" - At first I saw two sets of 'em, mine and the God I sincerely believe in. One set seems to be fading away just now... Moderating the IVVEC... takes a special energy; a long, long look at wisdom and constant thinking about "What's GOOD for the echo" ... Even with many not-positive comments, IVVEC managed to right itself and find the direction in which it was originally sent: To BE that haven, resting place for all vets and their close friends. I've discovered that a LOT of "moderating" can be done by "sitting and watching, letting the 'quiet' voices speak out - and they've done well.. "Footprints" - There are some real good ones in IVVEC... I've seen so many of you logging on to VETLink #1 and looking for this month's NamVet. There have been 52 file requests for it. All have resulted in "File Not Found" messages - or "BAD_REQUEST.TXT" ... Our Chief Emeritus (Retired Chief) has been resurrected and is typin' his fingers to the bone to get this issue out. "Footprints" - Now Todd's join the crowd... Oh my! The whole beach is filled with nothing but footprints!!! NamVet... IVVEC... the VetNet echoes... help with broken computers and software puzzles.... help with broken hard disks... help with it all... I'm GLAD there's so many footprints out here... "Footprints" of the toughest, most persistent and determined veterans in ALL of American history..." I'm GLAD too, that one of 'em MIGHT be mine... but for now, when I NEED it most, I think I'm being carried. Thanx guys n' gals... really THANX!!! I HOPE I'll still be around for next month's issue..... but that is in hands much more powerful than mine. I'll give it MY best shot - and my family and I ARE tryin' our best... 'til Next Month Show a brother or sister veteran that YOU care!!! Ci'ao for Ni'ao -Joe- NAM VET Newsletter Page 2 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 Reflections in Memorium By: Todd Looney NAM VET Managing Editor Vietnam Veterans' Valhalla - San Jose, CA (408) 298-2740 Memorial Day has always had a special meaning to me, as I am sure it does to most veterans whether they've seen combat or not. It is a time I reflect back on the many friends who died in Vietnam nearly two decades ago, and to the cause for which they gave their lives. I know at the time many of us were not too clear about why we were in southeast Asia, and many of us are still a little fuzzy on that issue, but I believe most of us are now proud of the part we played in America's history, regardless of its outcome. I am happy to see that a great majority of Americans now feel better about us veterans. It is hard sometimes to forgive them for putting me and my brothers and sisters through the hell we had to endure after returning to the "real world", but I have come to a point where I can put those feelings aside and take what society has to offer now at face value. This Memorial Day, 1990, I strolled slowly through the national cemetery between San Jose and San Francisco, past the countless stones marking the remains of literally thousands of young men and women who died for this country during past wars. I could not help but be overwhelmed at the sense of loss as though I knew each and every one of them, which in a way I suppose I did. The veterans of the Vietnam "war" are not that different from the veterans of WWI, WWII, or the Korean conflict if you look at them long enough. We were all traumatized by our experiences, and many of us still suffer today because of what we did and what we saw. Most of us were still kids when we donned the uniforms and answered our country's call to arms. Most of us left sweethearts at home and the concept of "Dear John" lingered throughout each era. We thought about the same things while we were fighting on foreign shores, and we all believed in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And too many of us died. I could not staunch the flow of the tears running down my face as I sauntered among the headstones thinking about who lay beneath each of them. All the pain they went through to protect the country they loved so dearly as to give up their lives for her. And for the Vietnam veterans, all the pain they suffered in the grave not being permitted to rest until America finally, at long last, allowed them to go their etherial way in peace. I want to apologize for this month's issue of the NAM VET being late. Nothing could have been done to prevent it. So many things are happening with both Joe and I at the same time that we just couldn't get it out on time. Thank you for your patience, as you can see, it was worth it. I hope that we gave credit where credit was due and didn't put someone eles byline on your story. I think we got it right, but you're a better judge than we at this point. Joe's system crashed and he did his darndest to get everthing straightened out. I think he did a superb job. So this is really a skeleton issue. Things have really changed, I remember when Joe and I were hollering with joy when we had twenty pages. Now look at it! NAM VET Newsletter Page 3 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 W W M M W W M M M M W W \ / M M M M OOOO W W W --*-- M M M IIII O O W W W W / \ M M II O O W W W W M M II O O W W M M II O O II PPPPPP O O ..... II AA PP PP OOOO . '' '' .. IIII A A PP PP ..' '.. A A PPPPPPP ..' ''. A A PP ..' '. AAAAAA PP .' ''. A A PP .' '. A A .' .:::::.. '. .' .::::::::::. ' .' .::::::::::::::. 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" NAM VET Newsletter Page 4 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 ================================================================== A g e n t O r a n g e ================================================================== Agent Orange Update, June 1990 Input By: Martin H. Kroll NAM VETs Agent Orange Section Editor Fort Mountain BBS - Chatsworth, Ga. 30705 (404) 695-8703 As the mountain of evidence and information pertaining to Agent Orange continues to pile up it would seem that our government would be forced to cave in and award benefits to veterans that have been exposed, and they have..... to a certain degree. The health problems that qualify for receiving benefits due to "service in Vietnam" do not even come close to recognizing all of the ills that can be attributed to Agent Orange exposure. We are now in a period of time where we are seeing the efforts to obtain benefits taking on a frenzied pace and many accusative fingers are being pointed. The public at large is becoming more interested in the Agent Orange issue as the drama unfolds. Government officials are now beginning to realize that it could indeed be a fatal mistake to continue to deny the Agent Orange link to health problems suffered by our Vietnam veterans, and to continue to deny just compensation and health care may very well be political suicide. Congress held hearings in late April to address the issues that have been brought up this session. According to DAV Magazine (June, 1990), the 101st Congress will be dealing with bills pertaining to Agent Orange. The following is quoted from the June, 1990 issue of DAV: "One piece of legislation being considered would provide presumptions of service connection for NHL, soft tissue sarcoma, melanoma and basal cell carcinoma, and chloracne. The bill, sponsored by Congressman Lane Evans (D-Ill.), would also allow the VA Secretary to add diseases to service- connection status based on the findings of an independent, scientific contract organization." The VA Deputy Secretary Anthony J. Principi has asked that the bill be held until October when the VA completes it's rule making process concerning disability claims related to Agent Orange exposure. This gives us plenty of time to write letters to our Congressmen letting them know just how we feel about the issue. Coupled with the fact that this is an election year, we can stand to gain quite a bit now by a letter writing campaign that is relentless. The clause which would allow the VA Secretary to add diseases to service- connection status is very important. Also of much importance is just which scientific contract organization will be awarded the job of compiling and analyzing all of the information. I don't think that very many of us would be pleased to find such an organization as the CDC in that NAM VET Newsletter Page 5 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 position. On another front I feel compelled to congratulate the American Legion's National Commander, Miles S. Epling for continuing to tell it like it is! Using terms such as "voodoo research" and "wholesale scientific fraud", he is certainly untiring in his efforts to expose the CDC and the government's attempts to cover up the truth. In Mile's June 1990 Commander's Message to the American Legion Membership, he stated "CDC studied a grand total of 166 Vietnam veterans with cancers, and they didn't even develop an exposure index to determine how much the veterans had actually been exposed to Agent Orange. CDC had no way of knowing the extent or duration of exposure. Instead, CDC used the very technique it had roundly condemned when used by others: "self reporting." That means they took the Veterans word for it." If you have been following my articles and letters, you have noticed that I have stated how disgusted I am in the way the government and the CDC has handled this whole thing. Now we find that it has taken over $63,000,000 of our taxpayer's money for the CDC to examine and "interview" a mere 166 Vietnam veterans. Apparently, I am not the only one that is disgusted since Miles Epling went on further to state: "Then this reputable institution declared that it was unable to conduct the Agent Orange study it had proposed. Couldn't find enough veterans. Couldn't prove exposure. Couldn't do this; couldn't do that." "That's pretty interesting, especially so since the Army and the National Academy of Sciences developed a comprehensive record of Agent Orange sprayings in Vietnam, and they can document which units were exposed. Moreover, CDC had these records in it's possession. Even though CDC couldn't find a study group of qualified veterans with the $63 million it had to do the job, The American Legion and Columbia University were able to do so with much less than $100,000." "Our results underwent scientific peer review and were published in the prestigious scientific journal "Environmental Research". Our study used nearly 7,000 Vietnam veterans, half of whom served in Vietnam, some in areas identified and verified by DoD records as having been sprayed with Agent Orange. The other half, the control group, were veterans who had not served in Vietnam." Miles Epling is correct in asserting that this is "pretty interesting". I think that it is more than "pretty interesting" in regards to the CDC spending $63 million dollars to study 166 Vietnam veterans. As a taxpayer I would like to know just how they spent all of that money! I would like to see how they justify their expenditures for the results that they have obtained. Miles goes further with his message by stating "Look at the record on Agent Orange. Congress mandates a study. VA fumbles the ball. CDC picks it up. CDC piddles away at least $63 million and no one even questions where the money went. CDC ignores Congress' mandate to do an Agent Orange study, and finally conducts a study not related to Agent Orange. The findings, dubious at best, are released and the Washington bandwagon quickly fills with people ready to NAM VET Newsletter Page 6 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 applaud and lay this chapter behind us. Meanwhile, the Air Force conducted it's Ranch Hand Study, altered the results, falsely reported the findings, and hardly anyone murmured a complaint. Dr. James Clary, who blew the whistle on that one, asserted what we already know: herbicides made with dioxin can kill you. He admitted that the chemical companies cut corners making the military version of Agent Orange, greatly increasing it's potency. "However," he said, "because the material was to be used on the enemy, none of us were overly concerned. We never considered a scenario in which our own personnel would become contaminated." This brings to mind some of my own research findings pertaining to Agent Orange. Agent Orange usage was in the planning stages for several years before it was actually sprayed. In a memo to President Kennedy, Secretary of State Rusk stated that it was of utmost importance that the US Government not be associated with the chemical companies in order to avoid being accused of "chemical warfare" in Vietnam. He went further to state that they must place emphasis on "it's only weed killers." Why would he make these statements unless he knew at the time that Agent Orange and some of the other chemicals used were indeed harmful to the health of humans? It also bothers me that Agent Orange seems to be taking center stage while all of the other chemicals used (and there are many) are being overlooked. We know that Agent Orange is extremely toxic, but if a new study is instituted then the focus will be on Agent Orange. Many ailments that could possibly be related to some of the other chemicals may not be linked to Agent Orange exposure. Of course this would mean that many veterans that were exposed to dangerous chemicals may never receive the treatment or compensation that they should have. We should demand that ALL chemicals used in Vietnam be considered in any future studies! It would be too easy to overlook them at this point considering all of the fervor surrounding "Agent Orange" at this point. If you are concerned about the outcome of these issues you can do a lot to help by just sitting down and writing letters to your Congress people.... Form letters do not do much good because members of Congress realize that form letters are usually the efforts of a handful of people and many people will sign them just to be going along with the crowd. Original letters though carry clout. It is accepted that for every original letter received, there are a thousand more people out there that hold the same beliefs. It is easy to see that a thousand original letters will mean much more than several million "form letters". I urge you again to sit down at the keyboard and peck out letters to your representatives in Congress, sign them and mail them. Show copies of them to your friends and encourage them to do the same! In closing for this month, I would like to quote Miles Epling one more time..... "Every time this charade replays itself, the leaders of veterans' organizations are counseled to give "measured NAM VET Newsletter Page 7 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 responses": let's reason together and work out our differences. Enough is enough! Apparently some in Washington don't realize that real, live people are dying all across the country from rare disorders that shouldn't be occurring. They aren't statistics; they are flesh and blood human beings who did their duty when their country called. I've said it before: Vietnam veterans are being studied to death in the name of science and politics. We don't need another atomic-veteran chapter in our nation's history. This insanity must cease." Write those letters now friends. Your help "IS" important, and a few letters will certainly not take up that much of your time. 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" -Robert Nimmo- NAM VET Newsletter Page 9 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 ================================================================== V e t e r a n B e n e f i t s & I n f o ================================================================== Veteran Service Commissioners/Directors VETERAN SERVICE INFORMATION AVAILABLE AT VETLink #1 VETLink #1 and its sponsor, Berkshire Veterans Center, Inc., have been in the process of creating an on-line database/information referral source for our nations veterans and their dependents. We've sent a letter to the Director/Commissioner of all 50 states and a few territories requesting any veteran-related information they'd wish to share. To date, we've received replies from the following states/territories: ALABAMA (Frank D. Wilkes, Director) ALASKA (Charles T. Borg, Director) CALIFORNIA (Jesse G. Ugalde, Director) CONNECTICUT (Joseph C. Barber, Deputy Commissioner) FLORIDA (S. F. Stover, Director) GEORGIA (Pete Wheeler, Commissioner) ILLINOIS (John W. Johnston, Director) INDIANA (S. Jeanne Loveless, Program Coordinator) IOWA (Dale Renaud, Director) LOUISIANA (Printice A. Darnell, Executive Director) MINNESOTA (Terrence A. Logan, Director, Agency Relations) MISSOURI (William V. Haynes, Director) NEW HAMPSHIRE (Conrad V. Moran, Director) NEW JERSEY (William G. Kowalski, Director) NEW YORK (Tom Lewis, Director) NORTH CAROLINA (Charles F. Smith, Assistant Director) OHIO (Col. John P. Seimer , Director of Veteran's Affairs) PENNSYLVANIA (Joseph R. Clelan, Director) RHODE ISLAND (Michael F. Gallagher, Casework Supervisor) SOUTH CAROLINA (Bill J. Sams Director) TEXAS (Texas Veterans' Commission/ Garry Mauro - Land Board) VERMONT (Ms. Lyn Boisjoli, Director - State Veterans Affairs) VIRGIN ISLANDS (Verne I. Richards) WEST VIRGINIA (G. L. Harper, Veterans Affairs Chief) WISCONSIN (John J. Maurer, Secretary of Veterans' Affairs) We presently have on-file (but not on-line) state veteran information from Massachusetts, in addition to copies of Title 38, USC and many veteran organization Service Officer manuals and pamphlets. If you live in any of the states/territories listed below -OR- know the CURRENT Director/Commissioner's Address, PLEASE let us know so that we can get a letter off to 'em and collect the information a veteran may need in the near future: RETURNED - We need CURRENT Names & Addresses for: ARIZONA: Arizona Veterans Service Commission - Last known to be in Phoenix, AZ 85013 KANSAS - We need CURRENT Name & Address! NEVADA: Commission for Veterans' Affairs - Last known to be in Reno, NV 89502 NORTH DAKOTA: Department of Veterans' Affairs NAM VET Newsletter Page 10 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 Last known to be in Fargo, ND 58107 MISSISSIPPI: Veterans' Affairs Commission - Last known to be in Jackson, MS 39205 UTAH: Administrator of Veterans' Affairs Last known to be in Salt Lake City, UT 84115 We are STILL trying to find names and addresses for: PANAMA: No Director/Commissioner address found WYOMING: No Director/Commissioner address found If you've got veteran-related information that you feel would be helpful to another veteran if s/he found it on-line, please send it to: G. Joseph Peck, President BERKSHIRE VETERANS' CENTER, INC. Post Office Box 2056 Pittsfield, MA 01202 or place a message in the VIETNAM_VETERANS Echo __________ \ VETLINK \ _____) SERVICE )_____ _________(____(________(______(@) ) ) / O O O O O O O O O/_/| /<> O O O O O O O O O/ | /MM O O O O O O O MM/ | / ___________ / . /O (___________) O O/. (====================( NAM VET Newsletter Page 11 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 * * * R E U N I O N U P D A T E * * * By: Glen Kepler, [USN] SYSOP Input By: Terrell Domek [USA] CO-SYSOP THE UNITED STATES VETERANS BBS 3400 Abbott Avenue North Robbinsdale, Minnesota 55422 612-522-2026 [NODE 1] 612-522-0166 [NODE 2] 612-522-8700 [NODE 3] 612-588-7563 [VOICE 2200-1045 HRS] 612-522-0756 [VOICE 1115-2100 HRS] * * * * * In a recent conversation with G. Joseph Peck I was asked about the possibility of providing a monthly listing of reunion notices for publication in the NamVet Newsletter. Following is the first installment of reunion notices. Readers are encouraged to submit their notices to us for publication. The United States Veterans BBS has over 3000 reunion notices ON-LINE and we are adding about 500 per month. The U.S. Vets BBS has over 5300 Veteran & Shareware files ON-LINE, the complete NAMVET Newsletter collection, we are a distributer of the Modem News Magazine, Master POW/MIA listings, 3 Nodes, 720 MB, Veteran Locator database and more. VR Glen "Kep" Kepler * * * * * AIR FORCE REUNIONS AIRWAYS & AIR COMMUNICATIONS Contact the AACS Alumni Association, Attn: Ray Arnold, 7524 Blue Stone, Reno, NV 89511. Telephone: (702) 853-9537 (OR) Vietta A. Dowd, 1624C Beekman Place, Washington, DC 20009. Telephone (202) 483-5577. 8th SER.GP./11th SER.SQD/482nd SER.SQ 8th Service Group, 11th Service Squadron, 482nd Service Squadron, HQ Squadron (WWII). Contact COL John J. Heckler, USAF (Ret.), 76 East Harbor Drive, Teaticket, MA 02536. Telephone (508) 540-1303. 406th FIGHTER GROUP (WWII) Contact 406th Fighter Group WWII, Communications Center, 1100 Browning Ave. NW, PO Box 2295, North Canton, OH 44720-1829. Telephones: (voice) (216)494-6318, (216) 499-8310 (OR) (FAX) (216) 492-9622. 406th FIGHTER GROUP (WWII) Contact 406th Fighter Group Reunion c/o Martin Levy, 111 Prospect HL, Nashville, TN 37205. Telephone: (615) 292-1148. NAM VET Newsletter Page 12 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 4TH AIR DEPOT GRP, Sep 1990, Contact: James Purt, 1620 E. Central Ave., Miamisburg, OH 45342 Telephone: (513)866-5314 9TH SERV SQ, 321ST SERV GRP, 13TH AAF, June 1990, Contact: Laurence Mirick, 14 Grasswood Ln, Rockland, MA 02370 Telephone: (617)878-3934 27TH AIR DEPOT GRP, May 1990, Contact: John Laurent, 11036 Landfair, Batob Rouge, LA 70818 Telephone: (504)261-7666 29TH AIR SERV GRP, 13TH AF, July 1990, Contact: Frank Pace, 315 W. 15th St., Dover, OH 44622 Telephone: (216)343-7855 39TH BOMB GRP (VH) 20TH AAF, Aug 1990, Contact: James Wyckoff, 2714 E. Hayts Corners Rd., Ovid, NY 14521 Telephone: (607)869-2574 53RD FIGHTER GRP, May 1990, Contact: Elmer Johnson, 1815 SE 6th Terr., Cape Coral, FL 33990 Telephone: (813)574-4044 55TH WEATHER RECON. SQ, 20TH AF, June 1990, Contact: Jim Flannery, 169 Durham Rd., Penndel, PA 19047 Telephone: (215)752-5102 60TH TRP. CARRIER GRP, July 1990, Contact: John Diamantakos, 3525 Lynngate Cir., Birmingham, AL 35216 Telephone: (205)823-4747 63RD GLIDER GRP, Sep 1990, Contact: Jesse Ericksen, Rt. 1, Box 132K, Bates City, MO 64011 80th fighter grp (cbi), Sep 1990, Contact: Gale Lyons, 19323 Keep Tryst Rd., Knoxville, MD 21758 Telephone: (301)834-8126 81ST FIGHTER SQ. (WWII), May 1990, Contact: 81st Fighter Sq. Committee, Box 162882, Altamonte Springs, FL 32716 91ST BOMB GRP (H), 8TH AF, Aug 1990, Contact: Charles Hackstock, 14224 SE 288th St., Kent, WA 98042 Telephone: (206)631-3978 306TH AIRDROME SQ, Sep 1990, Contact: Joseph Glatfelter, 1714 S. Urban Way, Lakewood, CO 80228 Telephone: (303)985-2532 341ST FTR. SQ., 348TH FTR. GRP, Sep 1990, Contact: Orlow Johnson, 237 NE 141st St., North Miami, FL 33161 Telephone: (305)893-8052 344TH SERV. SQ, 13TH AF, Sep 1990, Contact: Jerome Peppers, 438 Coronado Dr., Fairborn, OH 45324 Telephone: (513)878-7068 NAM VET Newsletter Page 13 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 352ND FTR. GRP ASSN., Oct 1990, Contact: Richard DeBruin, 234 N. 74th St., Milwaukee, WI 53213 Telephone: (414)771-0744 421ST AAF BASE UNIT, May 1990, Contact: Nav Murphy, 3739 S. 91st E. Ave., Tulsa, OK 74145 Telephone: (918)627-3688 781ST BOMB SQ, 465TH BOMB GRP, Aug 1990, Contact: James Althoff, 2 Mt. Vernon Ln., Atherton, CA 94025 Telephone: (415)325-8356 801ST/492ND BOMB GRP, Sep 1990, Contact: John Walker, 2355 Penbrook Pl., Cordova, TN 38018 Telephone: (901)388-8003 1409TH/1415TH ATC BASE UNITS, June 1990, Contact: Sune Lundberg, 1194 Washoe Dr., San Jose, CA 95120 Telephone: (408)268-3942 1886TH ENGR AVN BN, Sep 1990, Contact: Elvin Hizel, 6749 Depew, Arvada, CO 80003 Telephone: (303)424-0262 3RD STRST. SUPPORT SQ, Oct 1990, Contact: Clark King, Rt. 1, Box 134, Thayer, KS 66776 Telephone: (316)839-5412 11TH AIR FORCE, Aug 1990, Contact: Ralph Bartholomew, 615 Stedman St., Ketchikan, AK 99901 Telephone: (907)225-2121 11TH BOMB GRP.,(H) ASSOC., May 1990, Contact: Robert May, Box 637, Seffner, FL 33584 Telephone: (813)681-3544 15TH AIRDROME SQ SPEC., Sep 1990, Contact: Arthur Seibert, 82 Silverwood Cir., Cincinnati, OH 45246 Telephone: (513)671-6286 20TH TACTICAL RECON. SQ, May 1990, Contact: Stanley Gawlik, 661 Woodland Dr., Tallmadge, OH 44278 Telephone: (216)633-5750 51ST FIGHTER WING (K13), July 1990, Contact: Earl Cheney, 4 Willowdale Ct., Amesbury, MA 01913 Telephone: (508)388-5897 307TH BOMB GRP/WING, 370TH AREFG, May 1990, Contact: Cena Marsh, 1923 Atkins Ave., Salt Lake City, UT 84106 Telephone: (801)466-5805 674TH SAW CO SPEC, Aug 1990, Contact: Jack Hammer, 4069 Gardner Rd., Metamora, MI 48455 Telephone: (313)678-2431 NAM VET Newsletter Page 14 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 750TH AC&W SQ, Aug 1990, Contact: Harold Espenschied, 608 Jolson Ct., Gahanna, OH 43230 4080TH STRAT WING, May 1990, Contact: Patricia Deason, 1910 Ave. B, Del Rio, TX 78840 Telephone: (512)775-1341 69TH WEREWOLVES, 5TH AF, June 1990, Contact: Bob Humphreys, 5712 Rockhill Rd., Fort Worth, TX 76112 325TH FIGHTER GRP, June 7-10 1990, Contact: Dan Penrod, 69 Keswick Ave., Pittsburgh, PA 15202 PERRIN AFB, June 30 1990, Contact: Cal Dittemore, Rte. 5, Box 13A, Sherman, TX 75090 29TH AIR SERV GRP, July 8-14 1990, Contact: Frank Pace, 315 W. 15th St., Dover, OH 44622 781ST BOMB SQ/465TH BOMB GRP hq, Aug 22-26 1990, Contact: Jim Althoff, 2 Mt. Vernon Ln., Atherton, CA 94025 10TH AB COMM DET, Aug 1990, Contact: Robert Muellerleile, Rte. 3, Box 79, Mankato, MN 56001 PILOT TRNG CLASS 50D, Aug 1990, Contact: Ed Wolford, 615 Pembroke Rd., Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 405TH FTR. BOMBER WING, Planning for 1990, Contact: Roger Warren, 7550 Palmer Rd., Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 Telephone: (614)866-7756 44TH BOMB GRP., May 23-27 1990, Contact: Willaim Topping, 1426 Vadera Ct., Fenton, MO 63026 Telephone: (314)225-7030 63RD TRROP CARRIER SQDN, 403RD TCG, 13TH AF, May 24-27 1990, Contact: Aron Tobiska, 31 South Holland St., Lakewood, CO 80226 Telephone: (303)237-8995 49TH FIGHTER GRP., May 25-28 1990, Contact: John Roth, 1017 Adams SE, Albuquerque, NM 87108 Telephone: (505)268-2903 619TH TC SQDN, 5TH TC GRP, 505TH TC GRP, Planning for 1990, Contact: John Boydston, 10622 Bryant St., Sp 104, Yucaipa, CA 92399-3047 Telephone: (714)797-7394 381ST BOMB GRP, July 31-Aug 4 1990, Contact: Joseph Waddell, 6407 Bridge Rd. # 203, Madison, WI 53713-1804 Telephone: (608)222-4591 65TH TROOP CARRIER SQDN, Aug 8-12 1990, Contact: Bud Hawkey, 106 Union Dr., New Madison, OH 45346 91ST BOMB GRP, Aug 22-25 1990, Contact: Charles Hackstock, 14224 SE 288th St., Keny, WA 98042 Telephone: (206)631-3978 NAM VET Newsletter Page 15 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 61ST TC SQDN, 314TH TC GRP, Fall 1990, Contact: Lew Johnston, 2665 Chestnut St., San Francisco, CA 94123 Telephone: (415)567-4717 75TH AIR POLICE SQDN, Sep 1990, Contact: Kenneth Brunmeier, P.O. Box 181, Onida, SD 57564 Telephone: (605)258-2325 HQ, 50TH TROOP CARRIER WING, Sep 6-9 1990, Contact: Frank Ehrmann, 840 Staton Place West Dr., Indianapolis, Ind. 46234-2162 38TH BOMB GRP (WWII), Sep 12-16 1990, Contact: R.H. Lamb, 2433 Glenheath Dr., Kettering, OH 45440 379TH BOMB GRP, Sep 12-16 1990, Contact: Ken Hampton, P.O. Box 123, Eatontown, NJ 07724 344TH SERVICE SQDN., Sep 13-15 1990, Contact: Jerome Peppers, 438 Coronado Dr., Fairborn, OH 45324 556TH BOMB SQDN, 387TH BG, Sep 13-16 1990, Contact: Paul Priday, 7755 Harriott Rd., Plain City, OH 43064 TOW TARGET DET, 72ND OBSN GRP, Sep 14-16 1990, Contact: Bus Bonucchi, 534 North 10th St., Clinton, Ind. 47842 Telephone: (317)832-8514 801ST/492ND BOMB GRP, Sep 20-22 1990, Contact: John Walker, 2355 Penbrook Pl., Cordova, TN 38018 Telephone: (901)388-8003 22ND TOW TARGET SQDN, Planning for 1990, Contact: Ken Pierce, 2381 Keech Rd., Branchport, NY 14418 Telephone: (315)536-0205 5TH AIR FORCE, 376TH S.S., May 16-19 1990, Contact: Quinton Walters, Rte. 1, Box 1781, Huntington, TX 75949 486TH BOMB GRP, 8TH AF, May 24-28 1990, Contact: J.W. Pedersen, 507 Nannette Dr., St. Louis, MO 63125 5TH AF, 314TH COMP WING, HQ, June 20-24 1990, Contact: Bob Kendall, P.O. Box 35372, Louisville, KY 40232 60TH TROOP CARRIER GRP, July 11-14 1990, Contact: John Diamantakos, 3525 Lynnage Cir., Birmingham, Ala. 35216 Telephone: (205)823-4747 7TH AF, 633RD COMBAT SPT GRP, July 27-30 1990, Contact: John Peiley, P.O. Box 724, Melrose, Mass. 02176 414TH BOMB SQDN, 97TH BG, Aug 16-18 1990, Contact: C.A. Merlo, 5500 Calhoun, Apt 711, Dearborn, MI 48126 PILOT TRAINING CLASS 52-G, Planning 1990, Contact: Jack Gilliland, P.O. Drawer 1472, Pensacola, FL 32562-1472 Telephone: (904)932-5472 NAM VET Newsletter Page 16 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 71ST & 341ST AIR REFUELING SQDN, Planning for 1990, Contact: James Everett, 1615 Woodcrest Ln., Carrollton, TX 75006 Telephone: (214)242-1932 5-25 MITCHELL PERSONNEL, Planning for 1990, Contact: Joe Riggs, P.O. Box 8893, Albuquerque, NM 87198 Telephone: (505)255-9890 5TH COMMUNICATION GRP, Planning for 1990, Contact: Charles Crank, 9854 Glenwood, Overland Park, KS 66212 Telephone: (913)381-3885 349TH TROOP CARRIER GRP, Planning for 1990, Contact: Max Johnston, 409 N. Colfax, Martinsville, Ind. 46151 351ST BOMB GRP (WWII), June 13-16 1990, Contact: Ben Schohan, 398 Catawba Ave., Westerville, OH 43081 Telephone: (614)882-8410 374TH FOOD SVC SQDN, June 22-24 1990, Contact: Travis Bray, 5514 Robinridge Rd., Greensboro, NC 27410 Telephone: (919)373-7246 602ND AC&W SQDN, June 22-24 1990, Contact: Pete Herbon, 546 Buttercup Ave., Vandalia, OH 45377 Telephone: (513)890-1294 487TH BOMB GRP, 8TH AF, July 26-28 1990, Contact: Don Denbeck, 128 N. 8th St., Rte 1, O'Neill, Neb. 68763 TOMAH RADIO SCHOOL, Aug 4 1990, Contact: Laura Bishop, VA Medical Center (135), Tomah, WI 54660 Telephone: (608)372-1727 509TH COMPOSITE GRP (VH), Aug 23-26 1990, Contact: George Marquardt, 642 Springhill Dr., Murray, UT 84107 Telephone: (801)266-5156 ARMY REUNIONS 101st AIRBORNE (ARMY) (VIETNAM) Planning reunion for "D" Company, 1st/502d Infantry, 101st Airbourne, Vietnam. Contact Mike "Machine Gun" Kelley, 2140 36th Street, Sacramento, CA 95817. Telephone: (916) 455-1946. 519th MILITARY INTELLIGENCE BN Contact Thomas M. Flynn, 46 Merton Road, Newport, RI 02480-3632. 525th MILITARY INTELLIGENCE GRP Contact Thomas M. Flynn, 46 Merton Road, Newport, RI 02480-3632. NAM VET Newsletter Page 17 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 53rd MOBILE CONSTRUCTION BN Contact Thomas M. Flynn, 46 Merton Road, Newport, RI 02480-3632. 11TH ARMORED CAVALRY'S VETERANS If you were assigned to the 11th Armmored or an attached unit, we'd like to talk to you about our Oranization and it's annual reunions We have been having reunions for the last four years and we will be having the fifth one in Sacramento CA the first week in August. If yoou would like further information Please contact James R. Hain 8 Congress Dr. Box 167 Kirkland, IL 60146 517th REGIMENTAL COMBAT TEAM Contact Bill Lewis, 18630 White Pine Circle, Hudson, FL 34667. Telephone (813) 863-2995. CO. K, 324TH INF, 4TH DIV, May 8-10 1990, Contact: James Waters, 2200 Homewood Ave., Paducah, KY 42003 2ND ARMORED DIV, May 30-June 2 1990, Contact: 50th Anniversary Office, 2nd Armored Div., Fort Hood, TX 76546 Telephone: (817)287-3303 456TH AA BTN, May 31-June 2 1990, Contact: Thomas Kyles, 2209 E. Broad, Statesville, NC 28677 CO. F, 116TH INF, 29TH DIV, June 6 1990, Contact: John Thaxton, Budget Furniture, South Boston, VA 24592 Telephone: (804)575-7895 724TH R.O.B. (WWII), June 6-10 1990, Contact: James Williams, 555 Lakehurst Rd Apt #I, Brouns Mills, NJ 08015 300TH ENGR. COMBAT BTN., June 6-10 1990, Contact: Ernest Young, Rte. 1, Box 120D, Dale, TX 78616 Telephone: (512)243-1203 287TH F.A. OBSN. BTN, June 8-9 1990, Contact: Jack Cunningham, 4 Hindman Ave., Burgettstown, PA 15201 Telephone: (412)947-5358 S.I.H. DIV, CO K, 38TH INF, June 13-17 1990, Contact: Mrs. Coy Durham, 1407 W. 12th St., Texarkana, TX 75501 Telephone: (214)794-9615 NAM VET Newsletter Page 18 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 91ST CHEMICAL MORTOR CO., June 17-23 1990, Contact: Adam Repsher, P.O. Box 144, Sanhope, NJ 07874 CO M, 129TH INF, 37TH DIV, June 23-24 1990, Contact: Harold Null, Rte. 3, 20970 Luther Rd., Sterling, IL 61081 738TH TANK BTN. HQ CO., June 23-25 1990, Contact: Harris Kemp, Rte. 1, Box 251A, Carthage, TN 37030 Telephone: (615)774-3473 32ND DIV "OLDTIMERS", June 23-30 1990, Contact: E.J. Sartell, 1716 Sousa Ct., Janesville, WI 53545 Telephone: (608)752-6731 3RD SQDN, 4TH CAV., June 29-30 1990, Contact: 3/4 Cav. Reunion, Box 1165, New Garden Station, Fort Knox, KY 40121 Telephone: (502)351-9777 551ST HVY. PONTOON BTN, June 29-30 1990, Contact: William Linden, L3 Squire Hill Park, Torrington, Conn 06790 486TH ORD. EVAC CO, July 1990, Contact: Robert Raune, 405 Willow Ave, Ithaca, NY 14850 11TH AIRBORNE DIV, July 4-8 1990, Contact: Paul Brown, 14 Deer Meadows, Canyon Lake, TX 78133 1/8TH CAV BTN, 1ST CAV DIV, July 5-8 1990, Contact: Ray Poynter, Rte. 3, Box 754, Berryville, Ark 72616 Telephone: (501)545-3466 A BTRY, 15TH FA, 2ND INF DIV, July 12-14 1990, Contact: A.L. VanWinkle, Rte. 2, Box 295-A, Bradford, Ark 72020 75TH RANGERS (VIETNAM), July 12-15 1990, Contact: Jim Savage, 39 Purity Springs Rd., Burlington, Mass 01803 Telephone: (617)272-4790 44TH EVAC HOSPITAL, July 13-14 1990, Contact: Joseph Brandt, 473 Sharon Dr., Rochester, NY 14626 9TH INF DIV, July 26-28 1990, Contact: Ross Jordan, 1415 Orion Rd., Batavia, IL 60510 Telephone: (708)879-7157 NAM VET Newsletter Page 19 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 75TH INF DIV (WWII), Jule 26-28 1990, Contact: James Warmouth, 6545 W. 11th St., Indianapolis, IN 46214 3768TH QM TRUCK CO., July 26-29 1990, Contact: Donald Hammond, 7930 Raccoon Rd., Canfield, OH 44406 Telephone: (216)533-4780 845TH ORD DEPOT CO, July 27-28 1990, Contact: Earl Craft, 31499 Woodcrest Dr., Chagrin Falls, OH 44022-2277 B CO, 9TH A.T.B., 6TH ARMORED DIV, July 27-29 1990, Contact: Ed Clark, 14667 Tuller Ave., Detroit, Mich. 48238 Telephone: (313)862-6780 166TH BTRY C AAA GUN BTN, July 27-29 1990, Contact: Gerald Fager, 1423 N. Baltimore, Derby, KS 67037 Telephone: (316)788-0289 4TH AA BTN & 3912TH AIR BASE SQDN, July 27-Aug1 1990, Contact: Bill Parkhurst, P.O. Box 2881, Tulsa, OK 74101 Telephone: (918)446-6400 246TH SIGNAL OPNS CO., Aug 3-4 1990, Contact: Johnnie Huggins, 30031 S.W. 169th Ave., Homestead, FL 33030 Telephone: (305)247-0150 35TH TC (AAM) CO, Aug 7-11 1990, Contact: William Dougherty, P.O. Box 9727, Atlanta, GA 30319 339TH INF REGT, 85TH DIV, Aug 9-12 1990, Contact: Al Dunfee, Rte. 1, P.O. Box 188A, Chestertown, NY 12817 81ST INF DIV, Aug 9-12 1990, Contact: Robert Schweihs, 2842 S. Emerald, Chicago, IL 60616 Telephone: (312)225-4062 CO A, 1-7TH CAV, Aug 9-12 1990, Contact: Robert Cox, 7100 Garrett Rd., Durham, NC 27707 BTRY B, 107TH AAA, Aug 10-11 1990, Contact: Boyd Holtzclaw, 411 N. Broad St., Clinton, SC 29325 Telephone: (803)833-1069 NAM VET Newsletter Page 20 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 20TH COMBAT ENGR, 20TH & 1340TH BTNS, Aug 10-12 1990, Contact: Fred Miller, 19 Townsend St., Fitchburg, Mass 01420 Telephone: (508)343-9165 11TH ARMORED DIV, Aug 15-18 1990, Contact: Alfred Pfeiffer, 2328 Admiral St., Aliquippa, PA Telephone: (412)375-6295 1ST SPEC. SVC FORCE, Aug 15-18 1990, Contact: Bill Story, 11815 Quarter Horse Ct., Oakton, VA 22124 78TH INF DIV, Aug 15-19 1990, Contact: Red Gonzales, 104 Oak Glen Rd., Pittsburgh, PA 15237 Telephone: (412)364-1609 133TH INF, 34TH DIV, CO B, Aug 18-19 1990, Contact: Arthur Van Erem, 514 S Hackett Rd., Waterloo, IA 50701 Telephone: (319)232-4841 103RD INF DIV (WWII), Aug 22-25 1990, Contact: Berry Ellseworth, 8260 Moreland Rd., Jerome, MI 49249 Telephone: (517)688-9249 1ST DIV, Aug 22-26 1990, Contact: Arthur Chaitt, 5 Montgomery Ave., Philadelphia, PA 19118 CO K, 165TH INF, 27TH DIV, Aug 24-25 1990, Contact: Chet Magnusen, 54517 Pine Ridge Ct., Elkhart, IN 46514 Telephone: (219)262-0405 37TH DIV, 148TH INF REGT, Aug 24-25 1990, Contact: Florian Podach, 11568 W. Twp. Rd. 84, Fostoria, OH 44830 756TH F.A. BTN, Aug 24-26 1990, Contact: Samuel Corrado, 4345 E. Barlind Dr., Pittsburgh, PA 15227 Telephone: (412)884-9544 CO C, 145TH INF REGT, 37TH DIV, Aug 25-26 1990, Contact: Neil McCullough, 624 18th St. NW, Canton, OH 44703 Telephone: (216)456-5033 10TH ARMORED DIV, Aug 30-Sep 3 1990, Contact: Samuel Murow, 9807 Main St., Bay Port, MI 48720 Telephone: (517)656-3551 455TH AAA AW BTN (WWII), Aug 31-Sep 1 1990, Contact: Richard Hollister, 3844 Faxon Ave, Memphis, TN 38122 Telephone: (901)323-5859 NAM VET Newsletter Page 21 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 315TH INF REGT (WWII), Aug 31-Sep 2 1990, Contact: Francis Oczko, 144 N. 6th St., New Hyde Park, NY 11040-3021 44TH DIV, 324TH INF REGT (WWII), Aug 31-Sep 1 1990, Contact: Lawrence Hendricks, 2190 Sibley St., St. Charles, MO 63301 Telephone: (314)724-4984 809TH T.D. BTN, Aug 31-Sep 1 1990, Contact: Otis Harris, 2502 Grafton, Dallas, TX 75211 Telephone: (214)339-3934 39TH COMBAT ENGRS. (WWII), Aug 31-Sep 2 1990, Contact: Sam Bright, 6329 Greenbrae, Paducah, KY 42003 Telephone: (502)898-2552 187TH ORD. DEPOT CO., Aug 31-Sep 2 1990, Contact: Richard Marjenhoff, Lake Wales, FL 33853, Telephone: (813)678-3168 29TH INF DIV, Aug 31-Sep 3 1990, Contact: John Gavin, 7412 Miller Ave., Upper Darby, PA 19082-2005 Telephone: (215)352-4962 194TH F.A., 194TH GRP, 740TH F.A., Aug 31-Sep 4 1990, Contact: Joe Bajcevich, 611 Owen St. NW, Cedar Rapids, IA 52405 387TH INF REGT, CO E, 97TH DIV, Sep 1990, Contact: Rodney Anderson, 637 Mount Fury Circle, Issaquah, Wash. 98027 CO D, 303RD INF, 97TH DIV, Sep 1990, Contact: Clem Schlosser, Rte. 1, Meadowood #2, Darwin, MN 55324 168TH ENGR COMBAT BTN, Sep 1990, Contact: Richard Lewis, 376 Northwest Rd., Westhampton, Mass 01027 Telephone: (413)527-7059 617TH QM DEPOT CO, Sep 1990, Contact: John Terakedis, Dover OH 44622 749TH TANK BTN, Sep 1990, Contact: James Lee, Rte. 6, Box 44-B, Kingston, NY 12401 Telephone: (914)382-1093 NAM VET Newsletter Page 22 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 6TH F.A. BTN (WWII), Sep 1990, Contact: Tom Williams, 2400 Chetwood Circle, A-204, Timonium, MD 21093 Telephone: (301)561-3973 86TH ENGR HVY. PONTOON BTN, Sep 1990, Contact: Philip Wax, 2306 Fourth St., Easton, PA 18042 Telephone: (215)258-1297 814TH AVN ENGRS BTN, Sep 1990, Contact: Lawrence McGregor, 210 34th St. Dr. SE, Cedar Rapids, IA 52403 853RD ENGR AVN BTN, Sep 1990, Contact: Charles Edwards, 151 Iroquois Tr., Ona, W.VA 25545 Telephone: (304)736-4042 163RD COMBAT ENGR BTN, Sep 1990, Contact: Joe Walker, 428 Raven St., Martin, TN 38237 Telephone: (901)587-2487 593RD E.B. & S.R. HQ & HQ CO, Sep 1990, Contact: Henry Curtis, 437 North Chestnut, Olathe, Kan 66061 Telephone: (913)764-4556 175TH F.A. BTN, 34TH INF DIV, Sep 1990 Contact: Leon Spittle, 4511 Russell Ave. N., Minneapolis, MN Telephone: (612)521-7190 691ST T.C. BTN, Sep 1990, Contact: George Tita, P.O. Box 111, Koppel, PA 16136 Telephone: (412)535-4988 463RD AAA AW BTN, 79TH DIV, Sep 1990, Contact: Jack Nelson, 1320 White Oak Ave., Campbell, CA 95008 Telephone: (408)371-8772 894TH H.A.M. CO (WWII), Sep 1990, Contact: Ray Bland, 750 Arcadia Dr., Burlingame, CA 94010 491ST ENGR BASE EQ CO, Sep 1990, Contact: Joe Ryan, 642 Claredon Ave., San Francisco, CA 94131 151ST F.A BTN, 34TH INF DIV, Sep 1990, Contact: Leon Spittle, 4511 Russell Ave. N., Minneapolis, MN Telephone: (612)521-7190 279TH INF, CO G, Sep 1 1990, Contact: LouisHarding, P.O. Box 1237, Bristow, OK Telephone: (918)367-9292 NAM VET Newsletter Page 23 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 CO D, 144TH INF, Sep 1 1990, Contact: A.L. Hudgins Telephone: (214)656-2278 497TH AAA GUN BTN (WWII), Sep 1-2 1990, Contact: LaVerne Huschka, 2141 East Memorial Dr., Janesville, WI 53545 833RD ENGR AVN BTN, Sep 1-2 1990, Contact: Orval Maddock, Rte. 2, Box 124, St Joseph, IL 61873 Telephone: (217)469-7223 114TH EVAC HOSPITAL (WWII), Sep 1-2 1990, Contact: Gilbert Quillen, 308 Samuel Paynter Dr., Dover, Del. 19901 Telephone: (302)734-7026 5TH INF DIV, Sep 1-3 1990, Contact: John Pf;aum, 170 Evergreen, Elmhurst, IL 60126 CO C, 702 TANK BTN, Sep 1-3 1990, Contact: Hugh St. Clair, Rte 2, Box 370, Danville, PA 17821 Telephone: (717)437-2060 9TH SIG CO, 9TH DIV (WWII), Sep 4-6 1990, Contact: Charles Hodges, P.O. Box 637, Gouldsboro, PA 18424 1ST ARMORED DIV (WWII), Sep 4-8 1990, Contact: W.S. Beasley, P.O. Box 5675, Anderson, SC 29623 Telephone: (803)225-2643 89TH INF DIV (WWII), Sep 4-8 1990, Contact: Verne Herrick, 407 Linden Pl., Raymore, MO 64083 701ST T.D. BTN, Sep 4-8 1990, Contact: Noble Midkiff, 9368 Ky. 1414, Whitesville, KY 42378 Telephone: (502)233-5912 6TH ARMORED DIV, Sep 4-9 1990, Contact: Edward Reed, P.O. Box 5011, Louisville, KY 40205 157TH INF REGT, 158TH FA BTN, 45TH DIV, Sep 4-9 1990, Contact: Felix Sparks, 7900 W. 23rd Ave, Lakewood, CO 80215 Telephone: (303)233-2369 NAM VET Newsletter Page 24 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 89TH INF DIV (WWII), Sep 5-8 1990, Contact: Leonard Schaefer, 3523 Haden Dr., Independence, MO 64055 Telephone: (816)373-4722 5TH ARMORED DIV, Sep 6-8 1990, Contact: Will Cook, 13344 Lutman Rd., Minster, OH 45865 Telephone: (419)628-4032 60TH SIG RADIO INT/60TH SIG SVC CO, Sep 6-8 1990, Contact: Donald Woods, NE 263 Tahuya River Dr., Tahuya, WA 98588-9753 Telephone: (206)275-5304 336TH ENGR COMBAT BTN, 5TH ENGR SPEC BDE., Sep 6-8 1990, Contact: George Woodbridge, 107 Conrad NE, Grand Rapids, MI 49505 CO I, 2ND INF, 5TH DIV, Sep 6-8 1990, Contact: Leon Belardinelli, 1351 Windsor Ct., Elgin, IL 60120 3094TH QM REFRIG CO, Aug 9-12 1990, Contact: Robert Cook, 120 East St. Marks Pl., Valley Stream, NY 11580 Telephone: (516)872-3275 NCOC 81ST CO, Aug 10 1990, Contact: Leonard Russell, 99 Morgan Ln., Millinocket, ME 04462 Telephone: (207)723-4969 534TH AAA BTN, BTRY A, Aug 10-12 1990, Contact: Arnold Rotert, Rte. 4, Box 121, Seymour, Ind. 47274 Telephone: (812)522-7336 CO D, 32ND ARMORED REGT, 3RD AD, Aug 10-12 1990, Contact: Joseph Layton, Rte. 1, Box 836, Mardela Springs, MD 21837 Telephone: (301)742-4027 157TH ENGR COMBAT BTN (WWII), Aug 10-12 1990, Contact: Roland Clayton, 912 Log College Dr., Warminister, PA 18974 Telephone: (215)675-0752 E CO, 135TH INF REGT, 34TH DIV, 1990, Contact: Melvin Mix, 118 Emily St, Box 165, Jackson, MN 56143, 529TH F.A. BTN (WWII), Aug 11-12 1990, Contact: Tommy Thompson, 3503 Atlas Ave., El Paso, TX 79904 Telephone: (915)751-8073 NAM VET Newsletter Page 25 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 32ND INF REGT, Aug 12-16 1990, Contact: Chester Bair, 1022 Howell Ave., Brooksville, FL 34601 Telephone: (904)796-6219 818TH T.D. BTN., Aug 15-19 1990, Contact: Mason Carter, 1827 Shoal Run, San Antonio, TX 78232 Telephone: (512)496-4756 83RD INF DIV (WWII), Aug 16-18 1990, Contact: Robert Derickson, 3749 Stahlheber Rd., Hamilton, OH 45013 Telephone: (513)863-2199 4TH PSYOP GROUP (VIETNAM, GRENADA), Aug 16-19 1990, Contact: Jack O'Neil, 88 Pinehurst Ave., Methuen, Mass 01844 Telephone: (508)687-1323 547TH ENGR COMBAT BTN, Aug 17-19 1990, Contact: Dan Allen, 9111 Forest Ave., Tacoma, WA 98498 Telephone: (206)582-4649 U.S. 10TH INF ASSOC., Aug 17-19 1990, Contact: C.H. Wilford, 1502 Melvin St., Ypsilanti, Mich. 48198 CO L, 128TH INF, 32ND DIV, Aug 18 1990, Contact: Norman Swater, P.O. Box 941, Beloit, WI 53511-0841 Telephone: (608)365-8391 CO B, 179TH INF, 45TH DIV, Aug 22 1990, Contact: Charles Johnson, 3501 E. 30th St., Tulsa, OK 74114 Telephone: (918)747-6804 A CO, 411TH INF (WWII), Aug 22-26 1990, Contact: Doug Stellner, 4239 Georgia St., Vallejo, CA 94591 Telephone: (707)642-2102 26TH INF REGT, CO G, 1ST INF DIV, Aug 22-26 1990, Contact: Arthur Chaitt, 5 Montgomery Ave., Philadelphia, PA 19118 CO C, 410TH INF, 103RD DIV, Aug 22-26 1990, Contact: Andrew Setliffe, 6700 Granada Dr., Little Rock, Ark 72205 Telephone: (501)663-2785 NAM VET Newsletter Page 26 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 45TH INF DIV, Aug 23-25 1990, Contact: Raul Trevino, 7791 Woodchase Dr. #1215, San Antonio, TX 78240 Telephone: (512)681-9134 1126TH, 1399TH MP CO. (AVN), Aug 23-26 1990, Contact: Gerard Sussillo, 415 74th St., Boorklyn, NY 11209 1ST BTN, 129TH INF, 37TH DIV, Aug 23-26 1990, Contact: Varlan Vancil, 305 W. Main, Sparta, IL 62286 1ST BTN, 50TH INF, A CO, Aug 25-26 1990, Contact: John Rhatigan, 5735 Oakwood Ave NE, Cedar Rapids, IA 52402 104TH INF DIV, Aug 28-Sep 3 1990, Contact: Arthur Williams, 9535 Ashworth Ave No., P.O. Box 33887, Seattle, WA 98133 Telephone: (206)527-1419 63RD INF DIV, 254TH INF REGT, Aug 29-Sep 2 1990, Contact: Abraham, Haidt, 15509 Morning Dr., Lutz FL 33549 Telephone: (813)977-4985 303RD F.A. BTN, 97TH INF DIV, Aug 29-Sep 2 1990, Contact: J.W. Redding, 4310 Forest Bend, Dallas, TX 75244 7TH ARMORED DIV, Aug 29-Sep 3 1990, Contact: Glenn Rackler, 23218 Springbrook Dr., Farmington Hills, Mich 48024 4TH ARMORED DIV, Aug 30-Sep 2 1990, Contact: Samuel Schenker, 1823 Shady Dr., Farrell, PA 16121 3RD CALVARY GROUP, Aug 30-Sep 2 1990, Contact: Wayne Smith, 900 Spruce, Halstead, KS 67056 Telephone: (316)835-2781 CO G, 13TH INF REGT, 8TH INF DIV, Planning for 1990, Contact: George Krist, 5290 W. 148th St., Brook Park, OH 44142 168TH AA BTN, Planning for 1990, Contact: Ralph Deason, HC 80, Box 183, Leeville, LA 71446 565TH A BTRY, 3RD ARMY (WWII), Planning for 1990, Contact: Don Patterson, Rte. 1, Box 48, Hiawassee, GA 30546 Telephone: (404)896-4843 NAM VET Newsletter Page 27 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 505TH PARACHUTE INF REGT &RCT, Planning for 1990, Contact: James Meyers, P.O. Box 534, Brenham, TX 77833 389TH AAA AW BTN, May 17-19 1990, Contact: Ray Patricio, 1242 Elberson Ave., San Pedro, CA 90732 70TH HV TANK BTN/ARMOR ASSN, May 17-19 1990, Contact: Jim Harris, 615 Rosa Dr., Lebanon, TN 37087 Telephone: (615)444-7518 CO B, 414TH INF REGT, 104TH DIV, May 18-20 1990, Contact: Leo Mobley, 1509 Co Rd 49, Camp Hill, Ala 36850 CO I, 101ST INF, 26TH DIV, May 20 1990, Contact: Oscar Watters, 14 Mary St., Attleboro, Mass 02703 Telephone: (508)222-2229 86TH INF, CO E, 341ST REGT, May 24-26 1990, Contact: A Racette, 419 E. 5th, Concordia, KS 66901 3RD INF DIV, May 24-27 1990, Contact: John Tominac, 3234 Taylor Rd., Carmel, CA 93923 Telephone: (415)447-2256 28TH ORD CO, May 25-27 1990, Contact: Jim Wheeler, P.O. Box 3548, Knoxville, TN 37927-3548 717TH TANK BTN (WWII), May 25-28 1990, Contact: Morris Shapiro, 21 Robert Pl, Irvington, NJ 07111 Telephone: (201)372-6295 CO E, 167TH INF, 31ST DIV, May 27 1990, Contact: Fred Walden, P.O. Box 384, Arab, Ala 35016 81ST CHEMICAL MORTOR BTN, May 31-Jun 3 1990, Contact: William Bolinger, P.O. Box 99, Bruce, Miss. 38915 Telephone: (601)983-4287 7TH CAV REGT (KOREA), June 1990, Contact: Ecton Plaisance, Rte. 5, Box 230, Cut Off, LA 70345 Telephone: (504)693-3835 5TH EVAC HOSPITAL, June 1990, Contact: Gordon Forsyth, P.O. Box 347, Rochmart, GA 30153 NAM VET Newsletter Page 28 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 1289TH COMBAT ENGRS, June 1990, Contact: Dan Fegley, 8651 Foothill Blvd, Sp 86, Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 Telephone: (714)985-6496 749TH TANK BTN, June 1990, Contact: John Carlson, E. 729 Wabash St., Spokane, WA 99207 16TH F.A. OBSN BTN, June 1990, Contact: Howard Frey, 3017 Timberview Dr., Cincinnati, OH 45211 CO B, 116TH INF, 29TH DIV, June 1-2 1990, Contact: William Pearce, Rte. 6, Box 352, Madison Heights, VA 24572 18TH INF, 1ST BTN, HQ CO, Jun 6 1990, Contact: John Jamison, 4689 Wiltshire Rd. No., Royalton, OH 44133 300TH GENERAL HOSPITAL, June 7-10 1990, Contact: Austin Lutz, 1566 Meadow Ln., New Albany, Ind. 47150 Telephone: (812)944-9909 385TH AAA AW BTN, June 7-10 1990, Contact: Douglass Cochran, 420 Belvedere Rd., Hagerstown, MD 21740 Telephone: (301)733-6312 79TH INF DIV, 311TH F.A. BTN, BTRY A, June 8-10 1990, Contact: James Cook, 45 Sun Valley Dr., Brandon, Miss 39042 57TH FA BTN, 7TH INF DIV, June 8-10 1990, Contact: Robert Davis, 8429 South 18th St., Tacoma, WA 98465 Telephone: (206)564-1323 CO B, 115TH INF, 29TH DIV, June 10 1990, Contact: George Penner, 214 Woodpoint Ave., Hagerstown, MD 21740 Telephone: (301)733-2457 30TH INF DIV, June 12-15 1990, Contact: Saul Solow, 13645 Wippet Way East, Deray Beach, FL 33484 Telephone: (407)499-5261 702ND T.D. BTN, CO A & B, June 15-17 1990, Contact: Thomas Rigdon, 1916 S. Fairview, Decatur, IL 62521 Telephone: (217)422-1597 120TH AA GUN BTN, June 22-23 1990, Contact: Robert Jones, 3340 Timmy St NW, Uniontown, OH 44685 Telephone: (216)699-4244 NAM VET Newsletter Page 29 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 CO G, 142ND INF, 36TH DIV, June 28-29 1990, Contact: Leo Darnell, Rte. 3, Box 425, Elkin, NC 28621 CO A, 2 ST/501ST INF, 101ST ABN DIV, Summer 1990, Contact: Mike Shannon, 249 Mesa Ct., Upland, CA 91786 BTRY F, 205TH CA (AA), Jul 1990, Contact: Edwrad Young, P.O. Box 1063, Elma, WA 98541 Telephone: (206)482-4837 764TH R.S.B., July 1990, Contact: Louis Golia, 629 Sara Ln, Verona, PA 15147 Telephone: (412)793-2938 100TH HWY TRANS SVC, July 1990, Contact: Larry Eckard, P.O. Box 5145, Hickory, NC 28603 Telephone: (704)256-6274 511TH PARACHUTE INF REGT, July 5-8 1990, Contact: Matt Pike, 32 W. 34th St., Bayonne, NJ 07003 173RD AIRBORNE BRIGADE, July 5-8 1990, Contact: Kenneth Smith, 6400 Whippany Way, Burke, VA 22015 Telephone: (703)455-0886 34TH INF DIV, July 6-8 1990, Contact: Raymond Rudoplh, 1460 Anderson Rd., Pittsburgh, PA 15209 CO E, 222ND REGT, 42ND INF DIV, July 11-14 1990, Contact: Fred Venglarcik, 2970 E. Millen Way, Fresno, CA 93726 Telephone: (209)229-3996 ANTI-TANK CO, 242ND INF REGT, 42ND DIV, July 11-14 1990, Contact: Sol Feingold, 45 Jones Ave., Chelsea, Mass. 02150 203RD AA BTN, SP BTRY, July 13-14 1990, Contact: John Mazzucco, 1153 E. 31st St., Brooklyn, NY 11210 Telephone: (718)253-3173 470TH AAA AW BTN, July 13-15 1990, Contact: Elmer Dau, 1249 Horsham Rd., Prospectville, PA 19002 CO F, 164TH INF (WWII, KOREA), July 14-15 1990, Contact: John Paulson, 80 2nd Ave No., Carrington, ND 58421 Telephone: (701)652-3305 NAM VET Newsletter Page 30 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 4TH INF DIV, July 16-22 1990, Contact: Bobby Joe Franks, 7860 Belford Dr., Colorado Sorings, CO 80920 2ND INF DIV, July 18-22 1990, Contact: 2nd Div Assoc, P.O. Box 460, Buda, TX 78610 CO D, 160TH INF REGT, 40TH DIV, July 19-22 1990, Contact: Victor Peter, 4907 Holly Park Dr., Pasedena TX 77505 CO A, 50TH ENGR COMBAT BTN, jULY 20-21 Contact: Darwin Kenner, Rte. 1, Devils Lake, ND 58301 Telephone: (701)662-3806 238TH ENGR COMBAT BTN, July 20-22 1990, Contact: Jesse Miller, 756 Greendale Rd., York, PA 17403 Telephone: (717)854-5169 741ST TANK BTN, July 21-22 1990, Contact: Isaac Everts, 5253 Race Track Rd., St. Thomas, PA 17252 Telephone: (717)369-2070 638TH T.D. BTN, July 22 1990, Contact: Art Paulin, 3610 E. 75th St., Indianapolis, Ind. 46240 Telephone: (317)849-2064 31ST INF REGT, July 25-28 1990, Contact: Oliver Robertson, 1621 NW 39th St., Lawton, OK 73505 Telephone: (405)355-5217 120TH STATION HOSPITAL (WWII), July 26-28 1990, Contact: Charles Schenz, 3450 Behymer Rd., Cincinnati, OH 45245 Telephone: (513)752-3646 28TH DIV, 112TH INF, CO A, July 27-28 1990, Contact: Frank DeLury, Rte 2, Box 340, Corry, PA 16407 Telephone: (814)664-8095 202ND COMBAT ENGRA, CO C, July 27-29 1990, Contact: Clark Spangler, 1453 Bonbar Rd., York, PA 17403 NAVY REUNIONS USS INDEPENDANCE (CV 62) (USN) Reunion 1990 contact Denis Bagley 12 Trenton Ave Edison N.J. 08817 phone 201-819-0359 NAM VET Newsletter Page 31 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 USS TARAWA (CV 40/CVA 40/CVS 40) Contact Larry Eckard, PO Box 5145, Hickory, NC 28603 704-256-6274 USS BRETON (CVE 23/ACV 23) (USN) Contact Larry Eckard, PO Box 5145, Hickory, NC 28603 704-256-6274 USS GEARING (DD-710) REUNION May 3,4,5,6, 1990 Norfolk, Virginia Contact: Robert J. Witkowski 2812 Barkley Avenue Bronx, NY 10465-1933 WAVES, SPARS & WOMEN MARINES Contact WAVES National c/o Maggie Colbert, Public Affairs Coordinator, 2000-8 West Palmyra, Orange, CA 92668. Telephone (714) 937-0152 (OR) Minnie Donahue, Corresponding Secretary, 14312 Avalon Street, Hudson, FL 34667. Telephone (813) 863-4807. USS ST. PAUL (CA 73) (USN) Contact USS St. Paul CA 73 Association, Channing M. Zucker- President, 4640 Hoylake Drive, Virginia Beach, VA 23462. USS KITKUN BAY (CVE 71) (USN) Contact USS Kitkun Bay CVE 71 Association, att: H.A. "Swede" Londeen, 6112 Crescent Drive, Edina (Mnpls), MN 55436. Telephone (612) 929-1918. USS GAMBLE (DM 15) (USN) Contact Richard Hansen, 2650 Sheridan Avenue, North Bend, OR 97459. Tel: (503) 756-0256. USS WILLIS (DE 395) (USN) Contact USS Willis (DE 395) Reunion Association, att: John Gay - Coordinator, P.O. Box 28, Crownsville, MD 21032. Tel: (301) 923-2280. USS J. RICHARD WARD (DE 243) Contact Jesse Wm. Kibler, 286 Country Club Road, Asheville, NC 28804. Telephone: 704 254-8730. USS HENRY B. WILSON (DDG-7), Planning for 1990, Contact: Tony Beardsley, Rte. #, Box 688, Kettle Falls, WA 99141 Telephone: (509)738-2634 NAM VET Newsletter Page 32 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 USS MUIR (DE-770), Planning for 1990, Contact: William Baur, 522 East Kenilworth Ave., Villa Park, IL 60181 Telephone: (708)832-1336 USS McCOY REYNOLDS (DE-440), Planning for 1990, Contact: Harry L. Fager, 62 Wet Maple St., Dallastown, PA 17313 Telephone: (717)244-2716 NUKU-FETAU 1943-44, Planning for 1990, Contact: Curt Anderson, 1220 30th St., A-211, Bemidji, MN 56601 USS ADAMS (DM-27), Planning for 1990, Contact: Clayton Charbonnet, 4650 Washington Ave., New Orleans, LA 70125 Telephone: (504)486-5141 USS SAMUEL B. ROBERTS (DE-413), Apr 25-29 1990, Contact: Vince Goodrich, 7 Brown Ave., Bradford, PA 16701 Telephone: (814)368-6090 USS YMS-301, May 1990, Contact: Wilfred Waltz, 3125 Newmont St., N.E., Magnolia, OH 44643 Telephone: (216)866-9515 SUBMARINE REPAIR UNIT 137, May 7-29 1990, Contact: Arthur Avedisian, 3613 N. Clark St., Fresno, CA 93726 Telephone: (209)222-9058 NIGHTFIGHTER AIR GRP. CULG(N)41, May 17-20 1990, Contact: Ben Houden, 1570 Easy St., Elgin, IL 60123 Telephone: (708)742-6196 USS ANCON (AGC-4), WWII, June 1990, Contact: Dan Kelley, 67 Robbins St., Avon , MA 02322 USS HARRY E. HUBBARD (DD-748), June 6-10 1990, Contact: Robert Carson, 163 No. Jackson St., Athens, GA 30601 Telephone: (404)769-5452 NAVY ARMED GUARD VETS (WWII), June 6-10 1990, Contact: Charles Lloyd Telephone: (919)876-5537 NAM VET Newsletter Page 33 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 USS ALASKA (CB-1) WWII, June 14-17 1990, Contact: Charles St. George, 25 Leon Pl., Fredonia, NY 14063 Telephone: (716)672-4432 RIVER PATROL FORCE (VIETNAM), June 15-16 1990, Contact: Gamewardens of Vietnam Assoc., P.O. Box 7897, San Diego, CA 92107 USS LST-268 (WWII), June 15-17 1990, Contact: Harley Fitzhugh, P.O. Box 67, Echo, OR 97826 34TH SPECIAL SEABEES, June 15-17 1990, Contact: W.H. Foster, 2370 Dayna Wat, Merced, CA 95340 Telephone: (209)723-2483 USS POPE (DD-225), June 20-23 1990, Contact: Mat Matthews, 574 Bellaire Dr., Venice, FL 34293 Telephone: (813)493-8123 USS PERCH (DD-176), June 20-23 1990, Contact: Mat Matthews, 574 Bellaire Dr., Venice, FL 34293 Telephone: (813)493-8123 USS WINGED ARROW (AP-170), June 23 1990, Contact: Raymond Meyer, 206 N.E. Elm St., Greenfield, IA 50849 Telephone: (515)343-7130 USS JAMES O'HARA (APA-90), July 13-15 1990, Contact: Frederic Hawker, Rte. 12, Box 32, Morgantown, W. VA 26505 Telephone: (304)296-2760 USS FREDRICK FUNSTON (APA-89), July 13-15 Contact: Frederic Hawker, Rte. 12, Box 32, Morgantown, W. VA 26505 Telephone: (304)296-2760 USS SANTEE, July 19-21 1990, Contact: Harold Marcou, 26192 Madras Ct., Deep Creek, FL 33983 USS GOSHEN (APA-108), Aug. 1990, Contact: Pearl Davis, 1705 Garfield, Terra Haute, IN 47804 Telephone: (812)232-2127 USS LSC (L)15, Aug. 1990, Contact: Harold Kaup, 289 41st St. N.E., Cedar Rapids, IA 52402 Telephone: (319)363-1708 NAM VET Newsletter Page 34 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 SUBMARINES SSN-605 & 22-259, Aug. 1990, Contact: Pat Kerrigan, 8300 So. Springfield Ave., Chicago, IL 60652 USS MIDWAY (CV-41), Aug 1990, Contact: R. Drake Dorman, 911 New Gulph Rd., Bryn Mawr, PA 19019 Telephone: (215)525-7668 USS PHILIPPINE SEA (CV-47), Aug. 9-12 1990, Contact: Charles Davis, P.O. Box 597, Levittown, PA 19507 Telephone: (215)946-3836 MCB 3 SEABEES, Aug 11-12 1990, Contact: Jeff Parker, 648 Fillmore St., Fillmore, CA 93015-1430 USS GOLDSBROUGH (DD-188/APD-32), Aug 13-19 1990, Contact: Harry Trice, 109 Princess Ave., Greenville, SC 29611 Telephone: (803)269-3809 USS DALY (DD-519), Aug 13-14 1990, Contact: Walter Johnson, 161 Boxford St., Lawrence, Mass. 01843 USS INGERSOLL (DD-652), Aug 14-19 1990, Contact: Jerrell Childress, 3536 Blow Dr., Knoxville, TN 37920 Telephone: (615)577-1463 USS WALDRON (DD-699), Aug 14-20 1990, Contact: Richard Thibodeau, 677 Silver St., Bridgeport, Conn. 06610 Telephone: (203)374-7725 USS DENVER (CL-58) WWII, Aug 16-19 1990, Contact: Arthur Bourbeau, 95 Amherst St., Lawrence, Mass. 01843 Telephone: (508)683-3516 USS TOPEKA (CLG-8), Aug 16-20 1990, Contact: D.E. Cass, 3028 Bonita Woods Dr., Bonita, CA 92002 Telephone: (619)487-4595 ASSOC. OF MINEMEN, Aug 17-19 1990, Contact: Lyal Stryker, P.O. Box 71835, Charleston, SC 29415 Telephone: (803)797-0841 USS LANG (DD-399), Aug 20-23 1990, Contact: Courtney Chase, Belmont Rd, Box 505, West Harwich, Mass 02671 Telephone: (508)432-1296 NAM VET Newsletter Page 35 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 USS GAMBLE (DM-15), Aug 20-24 1990, Contact: Richard Hansen, 2650 Sheridan Ave., North Bend, OR 97459 Telephone: (503)756-0256 USS LCS(L) 1-130, Aug 23-25 1990, Contact: Henry Jeffers, P.O. Box 9087, Waukegan, IL 60079 Telephone: (708)623-7450 85TH CONSTRUCTION BTN., Aug 23-25 1990, Contact: Garth Sanders, 4318 Ong St., Amarillo, TX 79110 USS CANFIELD (DE-262), Aug 23-25 1990, Contact: Harry Detwiler, P.O. Box O, LaPlata, MD 20646 85TH NAVY SEABEES (WWII), Aug 24-26 1990, Contact: Garth Sanders, 4318 Ong, Amarillo, TX 79110 Telephone: (806)352-7003 USS CHEPACHET (AO-78), Aug 25-26 1990, Contact: George Deming, 3123 Anderson Ct., Clio, MI 48420 USS SILVERSTEIN (DE-534), Aug 25-Sep 2 1990, Contact: James Denver, 63 Eleanor Rd., Springfield, Mass. 01180 Telephone: (413)734-0171 USS JOHN Q. ROBERTS (APD-94), Aug 26-Sep 1 1990, Contact: Ted Van Epps, 410 N. Main St., Dodgeville, WI 53533 USS WILLMARTH (DE-638), Aug 26-Sep 1 1990, Contact: Edward Maziarka, 1111 No. Lamb Sp. 90, Las Vegas, NV 89110 USS MARSH (DE-699), Aug 27-Sep 1 1990, Contact: John Cullinan, 2920 Karen Dr., Chesapeake Beach, MD 20732-9585 Telephone: (301)257-6322 USS PHELPS (DD-360), Aug 28-Sep 2 1990, Contact: Harold Placette, 3336 Roanoke Ave., Port Arthur, TX 77642 Telephone: (409)962-1348 USS ESTES (AGC-12), Aug 29-Sep 1 1990, Contact: Noah Joyner, 44 Lonstreet Rd., Weldon, NC 27890-1114 Telephone: (919)536-4283 NAM VET Newsletter Page 36 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 P.T. BOATS INC., Aug 30-Sep 3 1990, Contact: Alyce Guthrie, P.O. Box 38070, Memphis, TN 38183-0070 Telephone: (901)755-8440 USS WALKE (DD-723), Aug 30- Sep 3 1990, Contact: Richard Nelson, 29 Peachmont Terr., North Caldwell, NJ 07006 FARRAGUT NAVAL TRAINEES, June 1990, Contact: Chester Shoemaker, Hwy 36, Box 6, Bevier, MO 63532 MCB-9 SEABEES (VIETNAM), June 23 1990, Contact: Richard Casoli, Box 88, Hanson, MA 02341 USS CALLAWAY APA-35, June 12-14 1990, Contact: R.L. Stambach, 4283-B Island Cir., Ft. Meyers, FL 33919-4427 USS DIPHDA (AKA-59), June 1990, Contact: Tom Coogan, 21632 Chipmunk Trail No., Woodhaven, MI 48183 USS ENDICOTT (DD-495/DMS35), June 7-10 1990, Contact: Dean Wren, 11811 E. 60th St., Kansas City, MO 64133 USS ESSEX CV/CVA/CVS9, June 11-16 1990, Contact: Bob Morgan, 6361 SW 106th Place, Ocala, FL 32676 USS HAZELWOOD (DD531), June 1990, Contact: Chet Locke, POB 84, Lockeford, CA 95237 USS KASKASKIA )AO-27), June 1990, Contact: James Wescoat, 9148 Forest Dr., Fairview Hgts., IL 62208 USS LCI(G)442, June 1990, Contact: Arthur Dillon, 1887 Morin Dr., Bay City, MI 48708 USS LCI (L)445, June 8-10 1990, Contact: Frank Cerra, RD 1, C68 Huemer Ln., Chester, NJ 07930 USS LSM 266, June 6-10 1990, Contact: Edward Metcalf, 2015 Airfield Ln., Midland, MI 48640 USS LST 603, June 21-24 1990, Contact: Ray Thompson, 3637 N. Hoyne Ave., Chicago, IL 60628 NAM VET Newsletter Page 37 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 USS LST 683, June 18-20 1990, Contact: John Shulo, 21 South Beech Rd., Plains, PA 18705 USS LST 947, June 1990, Contact: Carl Mamone, 814 Jefferson St., Martins Ferry, OH 43935 USS LST 1062, June 1990, Contact: Carl DiVico, 9-3 Deer Run Ln., Ossining, NY 10562 USS MISSISSIPPI BB41 (WWII), June 8-10 1990, Contact: Hal Aurell, POB 487, Ackerman, MS 39735 USS WILLIAM D. PORTER (DD-579), June 6-10 1990, Contact: Bill Glover, 6710 Merleing Loop, Floral City, FL 32636 USS SALUTE (AM-294), June 8-11 1990, Contact: James Johnston, RR1, Ainsworth, IA 52201 USS ALLEN M. SUMNER (DD-692), June 1990, Contact: Joe Gall, 56 Amsterdam St., Tonawanda, NY 14150 USS TITANIA (AKA-13), June 8-10 1990, Contact: Cliff Trumpold, , Middle Amana, IA 52307 USS WINGED ARROW (AP-170), June 23 1990, Contact: Raymong Meyer, 206 NE Elm St., Greenfield, IA 50849 37TH NCB, June 22-24 1990, Contact: Raymond Chance, Rt. 1, Box 54, Ralls, TX 79357 79TH NCB (WWII), June 1-3 1990, Contact: WG Lindroff, 5104 Lowen Ave., Bakersfield, CA 93309 GREAT LAKES NCT, CAMP DOWNS, Planning for 1990, Contact: H. Geno, Rte 1, Box 405, Plattsburgh, NY 12901 Telephone: (518)563-5276 USS CHOURRE (ARV-1), Planning for 1990, Contact: Jerry Todd, P.O. Box 564, Portola, CA 96122 Telephone: (916)832-4143 USS FREDERICK FUNSTON (APA-89), Planning for 1990, Contact: Norman B. Hartnett, 2724 Little Aston Circle, Las Vegas, NV 89122 Telephone: (702)641-6396 NAM VET Newsletter Page 38 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 USS KALININ BAY )CVE-68/VC-3), May 3-6 1990, Contact: Samuel Francovich, 1495 Mark Twain Ave., Reno, NV 89509 Telephone: (702)322-8216 USS LSM 444, June 1990, Contact: Virgil Martin, 410 Valerie Ct., Essexville, MI 48732 Telephone: (517)893-4198 MCB-9 SEABEES (VIETNAM), June 9 1990, Contact: Richard Casoli, P.O. Box 88, Hanson, Mass. 02341 Telephone: (617)293-7212 USS MASSACHUSETTS (BB-59), June 15-16 1990, Contact: Robert Grimes, 11 Spring St., Waltham, Mass. 02154 VIETNAM BROWN WATER NAVY, 4 Reunions in 1990, Contact: Dave Crockett, P.O. Box 5523, Virginia Beach, VA 23455 Telephone: (804)397-8967 USS HAZELWOOD (DD-531), June 16-17 1990, Contact: Chet Locke, P.O. Box 84, Lockeford, CA 95237 Telephone: (209)727-5595 USS LST 1, June 22-24 1990, Contact: Bob Benbow, 5834 Pepper Rd., Kernersville, NC 27287 Telephone: (919)643-6524 USS LST-310, June 29-July 4 1990, Contact: Robert O'Dell, 13151 S. Francis Rd., DeWitt, MI 48820 USS McKEE (DD-575) Contact: Paul Bright, Rte. 7, Box 37, Union, SC 29379 Telephone: (803)427-2026 USS SALISBURY SOUND (AV-13), July 5-7 1990, Contact: Paul Punzo, 3512 Somerset Dr., New Orleans, LA 70191 CARRIER AIR GRP. 2 (CVG-2), July 16-22 1990, Contact: Raymond Andrews, P.O. Box 750786, Petaluma, CA 94975-0786 Telephone: (707)763-5257 USS UTAH (AGO-16), Aug 1990, Contact: Buss Butterworth, 4260 Jones Rd., Macon, GA 31206 Telephone: (917)788-9339 NAM VET Newsletter Page 39 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 USS OKLAHOMA (BB-37), Aug 1990 Contact: Buss Butterworth, 4260 Jones Rd., Macon, GA 31206 Telephone: (917)788-9339 126TH NAVY SEABEES, Aug 1-4 1990, Contact: Lenno Johnston, Star Route Box 27, Pineville, MO 64856 Telephone: (417)223-4666 96TH NAVY SEABEES, Aug 1-5 1990, Contact: Hazel Solarski, 139 Ravenhead, Houston, TX 77034 Telephone: (713)944-2305 USS BRINKLEY BASS (DD-887), Aug 3-5 1990, Contact: Robert Shetron, 347 West Leeside St., Glendora, CA 91740 Telephone: (818)335-8040 USN BASE HOSPITAL #18, Aug 3-5 1990, Contact: Kenneth Kelver, 419 N. Beech Rd., Oscola, IN 46561 USS TOPEKA (CL-67), Aug 9-11 1990, Contact: James Wilson, 1022 W. Abbott St., Muncie, IN 47303 Telephone: (317)288-3949 USS INTREPID (CV/CVA/CVS-11), Aug 11 1990, Contact: Fred Hemmerich, 144 Furler St., Cm 240, Totowa, NJ 07512 USS EPPERSON (DD-719), Aug 15-18 1990, Contact: Tom Peltin, 325 E. Sunset Ct., Madison, WI 53705 Telephone: (608)231-2269 USS BIRMINGHAM (CL-62), Aug 16-18 1990, Contact: Mary Ann Jeffreys, 122 John Dr., Chester, IL 62233 USS GAMBLE (DM-15), Aug 20-24 1990, Contact: Richard Hansen, 2650 Sheridan Ave., North Bend, OR 97459 Telephone: (503)756-0256 USS SAN FRANCISCO (CA-38), Aug 22-26 1990, Contact: Ed Whittler, P. O. Box 5206, Clearlake, CA 95422 Telephone: (707)994-1619 USS RALEIGH (CV-7), Aug 23-26 1990, Contact: Bill Norton, 6124 S. Cultus Bay Rd., Clinton, WA 206 Telephone: (206)321-5703 NAM VET Newsletter Page 40 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 USS UTAH (BB-31/AG-16), Aug 23-26 Contact: Bill Norton, 6124 S. Cultus Bay Rd., Clinton, WA 206 Telephone: (206)321-5703 USS C. TURNER JOY (DD-951), Aug 23-25 1990, Contact: Richard Asche, 2992 S.E. Forest Villa Ct., Port Orchard, WA 98366 Telephone: (206)876-1737 USS EVERETT F. LARSON (DD-830), Aug 24-26 1990, Contact: Robert Whyte, 91 Marion St., Scituate, Mass 02066 Telephone: (617)545-9322 USS GRADY (DE-445), Aug 26-31 1990, Contact: Warren Jessen, 162 Evergreen Pl., W. Des Moines, IA 50265 Telephone: (515)224-5949 USS COOLBAUGH (DE-217), Aug 26-Sep 1 1990, Contact: Bud Peck, 1212 So. 12th St., Mount Vernon, WA 98273 Telephone: (206)336-2754 USS SPANGENBERG (DE-223), Aug 28-29 1990, Contact: 1990 Renwick Ave., Staten Island, NY 10301, Telephone: (718)442-7692 USS NAIFEH (DE-352), Aug 29 1990, Contact: William Wrase, 4148 Harbor Point Dr., Muskegon, MI 49441-4663 Telephone: (616)780-4594 USS ALBANY (CA-123/CG-10), Aug 30-Sep 2 1990, Contact: Hilton Dana, 3799 So. Banana River Blvd #3507, Cocoa Beach, FL 32931 Telephone: (407)784-0619 USS CROSS (DE-455), Aug 30-Sep 2 1990, Contact: Paxton Cate, 4824 Rate RD., Strawberry Plains, TN 37871 USS HAMBLETON (DD-455/DMS-20), Aug 31-Sep 2 1990, Contact: John Romolo, 34 Hastings St., West Roxbury, Mass 02132 USS SAUFLEY (DD-465), Aug 31-Sep 3 1990, Contact: William Downie, 30 Greentree Dr., Waterford, Conn. 06385 Telephone: (203)442-6979 USS MISSOURI (BB-63), Aug 31-Sep 3 1990, Contact: Angelo Goffredo, 1105 Jerry Ave., Schenectady, NY 12303 NAM VET Newsletter Page 41 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 USS BENNER (DD-807), Sep 1990, Contact: Don Williams, 11 Teddy Ln., Norwich, Conn 06360 63RD NAVAL CONST. BTN., Sep 1990, Contact: Alfred Ponnwitz, Rte. 7, Box 16, Sussex, NJ 07461 Telephone: (201)875-1105 37TH SPECIAL SEABEES (WWII), Sep 1990, Contact: Tom Hall, P.O. Box 232, St. Bernice TN 47875 Telephone: (317)832-2249 USS LST-654, Sep 1990, Contact: Douglas Volden, Rte. 1, Box 156, Richland Center, WI 53581 Telephone: (608)536-3506 USS ARKAB (AK-130), Sep 1990, Contact: Tom Murray, P.O. Box 525, Sun City, CA 92381 USS STEVENS (DD-479)WWII, Sep 1990, Contact: Richard Bond, P.O. Box 25, Newark, OH 43055 Telephone: (614)345-1041 VPB-19 & VP-24 (WWII), Sep 1990, Contact: L.L. Dalton, 5058 Marathon Dr., Madison, WI 53705 Telephone: (608)238-1994 USS LEWIS (DE-535) WWII, Sep 1990, Contact: Elmer Sailer, 1507 Rockwood Dr., Alamogordo, NM 88310-3922 Telephone: (505)434-2921 USS FINCH (DE-328), Sep 1990, Contact: Charles Baughman, Rte.2, Box 467, Portage, PA 15946 Telephone: (814)736-9220 USS PROVIDENCE (CL-82), Sep 1990, Contact: Jim Weightman, 704 W. Southview Ave., Dade City, FL 33525 USS HAWKINS (DD/DDR), Sep 1990, Contact: Buzz Butterworth, 4260 Jones Rd., Macon, GA 31206 Telephone: (912)788-9339 USS GUADALCANAL (CVE-60), Sep 1990, Also De-133, DE-134,DE-135,DE-149,DE-665 Contact: J.S. Dutton, 5530 Winchelsea Dr., Mormandy, MO 63121 Telephone: (314)522-3975 NAM VET Newsletter Page 42 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 USS WEBER (DE-675/APD-75), Sep or Oct 1990, Contact: Joe Retcho, 10710 Golfview Dr., South Hollywood, FL 33026 Telephone: (305)436-2943 U.S. SUBMARINE VETS (WWII), Sep 2-9 1990, Contact: Frederick Judd, P.O. Box 320202, Cocoa Beach, FL 32932-0202 115TH NAVAL CONST. BTN., Sep 5-8 1990, Contact: Edward Plummer, 5023 East Naomi St., Indianapolis, IN 46203 Telephone: (317)359-6990 USS REDFIN (SS-272), Sep 5-8 1990, Contact: Paul Grant, 1437 S.E. 21st lN., Cape Coral, FL 33990 USS HELM (DD-388), Sep 5-8 1990, Contact: William Brinkmeier, 6480 Field St., Arvada, CO 80004 Telephone: (303)423-6963 USS ESCAMBIA, (AO-80) 1990, Contact: Sep 5-8, Virgil Grier, 2144 S. Everett, Wichita, KS 67213 Telephone: (316)943-0526 USS CURTISS (AV-4), Sep 5-9 1990, Contact: Harold Oliver, 1575 W. Valley Pkwy. #37, Escondido, CA 92025 Telephone: (619)741-7831 USS SKATE (SS-305), Sep 5-9 1990, Contact: Ray Ferry, Rte. 4, Box 89, Lockport, IL 60441 Telephone: (815)838-5323 77TH SEABEE BTN., Sep 6-8 1990, Contact: Oliver Johnson Telephone: (815)836-1470 USS KWAJALEIN (CVE-98), Seo 6-9 1990, Contact: B.D. Redding, 2007 E. 82nd Terr., Kansas City, MO 64132 Telephone: (816)523-7274 USS OMMANEY BAY (CVE-79), Sep 6-9 1990, Contact: W.J. Dunne, 809 Murchison Dr., Millbrae, CA 94030 Telephone: (415)697-7964 NAM VET Newsletter Page 43 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 USS J.W. WEEKS (DD-701), Sep 6-9 1990, Contact: Pete Perlini, 45 Valley View Rd., Fairfield, Conn 06430 USS FULTON (AS-11), Sep 6-9 1990, Contact: Charles Meyer, 8364 Capeview Ct., Norfolk, VA 23518-5936 Telephone: (804)588-2653 USS GRANVILLE (APA-171), Sep 6-9 1990, Contact: Bob Blanding, 4559 Shawn Ct., Salem, OR 97405 Telephone: (503)393-8739 USS MANLOVE (DE-36), Sep 6-9 1990, Contact: J.T. Richardson, Rte. R, Box 5626, Corning, CA 96201 Telephone: (916)585-2480 USS MOUNT McKNILEY (AGC/LCC-7), Sep 6-10 1990, Contact: Don Shreeves, 315 W, Main St., Princeton, MO 64673 USS FOWLER (DE-222), Sept 7-9 1990, Contact: Bill Burris, 1010 West Broadway, Maryville, TN 37801 Telephone: (615)983-4121 105TH SEABEES BTN (WWII), Sep 7-9 1990, Contact: Wayne Linton, 818 Chrissie Circle, Shawano, WI 54166 Telephone: (715)745-2389 USS DETROIT (CL-8), Sep 7-9 1990, Contact: Merle Schutte, 645 S. Cammann, Coos Bay, OR 97420 Telephone: (503)888-3861 USS BUNKER HILL (CV-17), Sep 7-9 1990, Contact: Jim Gager, 3760 Pecan Ln., Las Vegas, NV 89115 Telephone: (702)452-0763 USS PC-1120, Sep 7-9 1990, Contact: Clyde Miller, Rte. 1, Box 272, Bethalto, IL 62010 USS CAPPS (DD-550) WWII, Sep 7-9 1990, Contact: Earl Beadle, 1203 West St., Pine Bluff, Ark. 71602 Telephone: (501)247-3702 USS ROWAN (DD-405), Sep 7-12 1990, Contact: E.G. Harvey, 309 Sycamore St., Decatur, GA 30030 Telephone: (404)299-1586 NAM VET Newsletter Page 44 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 VS-892, TBM NAVY SGDN., Sep 8 1990, Contact: Don Porter, 7103 34th NW, Seattle, WA 98117 Telephone: (206)783-0463 USS PC-490, Sep 8-9 1990, Contact: Oscar Fisher, 5694 Sherwood Forest Dr., Akron, OH 44319 Telephone: (216)882-6208 USS WICKES (DD-578), Sep 10-12 1990, Contact: James Craven, 4986 Turner, Fresno, CA 93727 Telephone: (209)251-3984 SACO VETERANS, Sep 10-16 1990, Contact: Slim Gilroy, 6108 Zeigler Blvd., Mobile, AL 36608 Telephone: (205)343-0153 USS BALCH (DD-363, Sep 10-16 1990, Contact: Sam Thomas, Tucson Meadows, 2121-942 So. Pantano Rd Tucson, AZ 85710 USS PORTERFIELD (DD-682), Sep 10-16 Contact: Sam Thomas, Tucson Meadows, 2121-942 So. Pantano Rd, Tucson, AZ 85710 USS WARRINGTON (DD-383), Sep 11-13 1990, Contact: J. Larry Eichman, 61 Beachurst Dr., N., Cape May, NJ 08204 USS TACOMA (PF-3), Sep 11-13 1990, Contact: Robert Purcell, 3585 Baxter Ave., Napa, CA 94558 Telephone: (707)252-7518 USS CONVERSE (DD-509), Sep 11-15 1990, Contact: Patti Thompson, 2824 4th Ave. So., Great Falls, Mont. 59405 NAVY MAIL SERVICE VETS, Sep 11-16 1990, Contact: Maynard Hamilton, 5501 Seminary Rd. #1109, Falls Church, VA 22041 Telephone: (703)845-5428 USS FOREMAN (DE-633), Sep 12-15 1990, Contact: William Holley, 58P Village Green, Budd Lake, NJ 07828 USS WRIGHT (AV-1/CVL-49/CC-1), Sep 12-15 1990, Contact: M.L. Johnson, 1930 San Marcos Blvd. #54, San Marcos, CA 92069-3913 Telephone: (619)727-3573 NAM VET Newsletter Page 45 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 USS CULEBRA ISLAND (ARG-7), Sep 12-16 1990, Contact: Tony Warta, Rte. 8, Box 369, Taylorsville, NC 28681 USS HAMILTON (DD-141/DMS-18), sSep 12-16 1990, Contact: B.R. Maschauer, 2247 Sherwood Dr. So., Daytona, FL 32119 USS PRINCETON (CVL-23), Sep 12-16 1990, Contact: Sam Minervini, 251 Malboro Rd., Woodridge, NJ 07075 Telephone: (201)804-0890 USS TERROR (CM-5), Sep 12-16 1990, Contact: Vic Blume, Rte. 3, Box 30, Clarinda, IA 51632 Telephone: (712)542-3028 LION FOUR, NAVY 3205, Sep 12-16 1990, Contact: Hal Wenick, 4301 N. Ransey Rd. #819, Coeurd' Alene, Idaho 83814 Telephone: (208)765-2608 USS LOUISVILLE (CA-28), Sep 12-16 1990, Contact: James Hamill, 819 W. Charles St., Plano, IL 60545 USS FORT SNELLING (LSD-30), Sep 13 1990, Contact: Tom Mooney, 80 Sanford St., Hamden, CT 06514 Telephone: (203)248-2981 5TH NAVY SEABEES WWII, Sep 13-15 1990, Contact: Laurence Terry, 5307 Maryman Rd., Louisville, KY 40258 USS A.W. GRANT (DD-649), Sep 13-15 1990, Contact: Arnold Olson, 416 E. Evergreen Rd., Lebanon, PA 17042 Telephone: (717)273-9796 USS RUSSELL (DD-414), Sep 13-15 1990, Contact: W. Singleterry, 4544 62nd St., San Diego, CA 92115 Telephone: (619)582-1337 USS RODMAN (DD-456/AMS-21), Sep 13-15 1990, Contact: Ben Winegard, 27 Heritage Ct., Annapolis, MD 21407 Telephone: (301)268-3744 USS TILLMAN (DD-641), Sep 13-16 1990, Contact: Bill Wenzel, 2185 Beaumont Ave. NW, Massillon, OH 97034 Telephone: (503)639-0170 NAM VET Newsletter Page 46 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 USS RENSHAW (DD/DDE-499), Sep 14-15 1990, Contact: R.C. Harrell, Rte. 2, Box 240, Mount Olive, NC 28365 Telephone: (919)658-9239 USS LUDLOW (DD-438), Sep 14-16 1990, Contact: Bob Javins, 537 Clark's Run Rd., LaPlata, MD 20646 USS WAYNE (APA-54), Sep 14-16 1990, Contact: J.A. McFarland, 4305 Yucca St., Beltsville, MD 20705 Telephone: (301)937-7204 )| _+|__|_ |--- --| ------------------------=========================== \_______________________________________________) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NAM VET Newsletter Page 47 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 ================================================================== M i s s i n g ! ! ! ================================================================== Input by: Joyce Flory NAM VETs Incarcerated Veterans Section Editor Desert Dolphin BBS - Las Cruces, NM (505) 523-2811 An update from the CENTER FOR ACTION F - L - A - S - H May 23, 1990 OUR U.S. POWS ARE "EXPENDABLE!"... ... according to Harriet Isom, U.S. Embassy charge d'affaires in Laos. Isom, who is responsible for POW negotiations said, "... you do not understand. America's presence and future in Indochina involves complex negotiations with Russia and China let alone Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, our Southeast Asian allies and eventually Kampuchea ... You should be aware that there is a greater destiny for our foreign policy in Asia and the POWS are expendable in pursuit of that policy particularly when it comes to an undeclared war." NAM VET Newsletter Page 48 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 Input by: Terry Hayes Waterloo, NY TO REMEMBER.... AND HONOR I saw an eagle in a dream. His mouth was opened in a silent scream. His wings were torn , from his struggle there. His feathers worn , from his pain and despair. He lookedtoward Heaven as if to pray. God , I want to be free today ! Free , to fly in your heavens above. Free to feel my country & love. He struggled there and no one came to release his leg from his captor's chain. He was abandoned after the war. He doesn't even look for help anymore. I even saw people in that horrible scene. Unwilling to answer the eagle's scream. It's been fifteen years and his agony grows. Someone have mercy , and let him GO ! OUR POW/MIAs ____________ ======= _________________/|_____... | | " === |_______________| |-----::: |._ - " ) |_|___| / / |___| /_/ NAM VET Newsletter Page 49 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 W W M M W W M M M M W W \ / M M M M OOOO W W W --*-- M M M IIII O O W W W W / \ M M II O O W W W W M M II O O W W M M II O O II PPPPPP O O ..... II AA PP PP OOOO . '' '' .. IIII A A PP PP ..' '.. A A PPPPPPP ..' ''. A A PP ..' '. AAAAAA PP .' ''. A A PP .' '. A A .' .:::::.. '. .' .::::::::::. ' .' .::::::::::::::. '. .' __ .::::::::::::::::;:... '. .' _- -_ .:::::::::::::::::::::::. '. .' _-_ _ _ -_ ::::::::::::::::::::::::' '. .. _- -!!___!!!-_:::::::::::::::::::::::. .. .' ==_ _- _= .:::::::::::::::::::::::: ', . =-_= _= = :::::::::::::::::::::::: . .' =-_ =_- = ::::::::::::::::::::::: '. .' = - -_ =_:::::::::::::::::::::. '. .' -_ -_- .:::::::::::::::::::;;;. 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" NAM VET Newsletter Page 50 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 ================================================================== M e m o r i e s n ' S p e c i a l A r t i c l e s ================================================================== Input by: Kathleen Kelly, Ph.D. NAM VETs PTSD Section Editor The New York Transfer - Staten Island, NY (718) 448-2358 Reprinted from Finger Lakes Times, Geneva, NY Monday April 30, 1990 THE WAR CAME HOME WITH THEM. Many Vietnam veterans fight another enemy - post-war trauma (EDITOR'S NOTE: Today is the 15th anniversary of the fall of Saigon and the U.S.-backed South Vietnamese government. The last American troops left Vietnam in 1973, but some 450,000 veterans still suffer from the legacy of that war.) By BRENDA PITTMAN AND RUDY ELDER CANANDAIGUA - Marine Sgt. Danny Shelp left the bloody rice paddies of Southeast Asia in June 1967. It was not a time of hailing the conquering hero. So the 22-year-old Shelp tried to come to grips with Vietnam. But his war wasn't over. he fought a personal battle with the ghosts of Vietnam for the next 20 years. The casualties included his marriage and career. It was a time of anger, depression, restlessness and violence. Shelp was among Vietnam's walking wounded, suffering from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, a psychological condition brought on by his exposure to the horrors of war. Now 44, Shelp is finding inner peace these days, thanks to the counseling and other help he received at the Veterans Administration Medical Center in Canandaigua. But the road to recovery was filled with detours. Little did Shelp know in 1967 that years would pass before the bloody battle scenes, the visions of young men dying, would stop invading his thoughts. His most painful memory was the brutal death of a 12-year-old South Vietnamese boy named Kham. "There was this little guy I used to take care of when I was over there," Shelp explained softly, " I wanted to adopt him and bring him back home with me to the states." The skinny, black-haired boy and a friend names Sam followed the men of Alpha Company as they made their way from one operation to another in I Corps, the northern portion of South Vietnam. "We'd always tell Kham where we were going, and he and NAM VET Newsletter Page 51 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 Sam might show up three days after we got to our objective," Shelp recalled, smiling. " They'd give us all kinds of intelligence goodies. They used to walk around in the villages and find out things like where the Viet Cong were and what trails were mined. We used to feed the boys and clothe them." When Kham and Sam didn't return one day after visiting relatives, Shelp began to worry. His worst fears were realized. Shelp's squad found Kham and Sam hanging from a tree. They'd been beaten to death. "The North Vietnamese regulars, not just the Viet Cong guerrillas, had got caught with their pants down a few times and they knew somebody had to be leaking information to us," Shelp said. "They learned the boys were tipping us off to what areas to stay out of and go around. "They killed them right in front of the whole village and everything," he said, his voice growing softer. "I found the guy who turned them in. It was Kham's uncle. I couldn't understand how anyone could do that to their own nephew - his own brother's kid." A squad leader for the infantry unit, Shelp killed the uncle. From that day on, he grew increasingly bitter about the war. Shelp, now a building management service worker at the VA hospital, recently discussed his war experiences with a Finger Lakes Times reporter. A muscular man with tattooed arms, he talked with ease and great seriousness about his post-war years. Vietnam was the last thing on Shelp's mind when he enlisted in the Marines after graduating at the age of 18 from West High School in Rochester. "I knew I wasn't ready for college so I signed up. But I didn't thing I'd end up in Vietnam. A lot of my friends who had dropped out of school got sent to exotic places like the Philippines or the Caribbean, I figured I would too," he chuckled. The Marines had other plans. After learning he was headed for Vietnam, however, Shelp adjusted to the idea and was ready to accept the challenge of combat. I felt good about it," Shelp said. A year as a fire team leader changed his view of the war. After returning home and serving a brief stint training recruits stateside, he was sent back to Vietnam for a second tour of duty. "The second time around I was more concerned about me and surviving, "Shelp said. Combat-weary and emotionally drained, Shelp boarded a plane in Danang in June 1967 for a return to "the real world." NAM VET Newsletter Page 52 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 Shelp was grateful to be alive and relieved to be leaving the war behind. But he was far from joyful. He remembers feeling both confused and sad during the long trip home. "I was glad to be coming back to my mom and dad in Rochester, but mostly, I just wanted to be alone," Shelp recalled. He attempted to put the war behind him by visiting the Thousand Islands. "I slept on my boat, I didn't want to see anybody I knew," He said. I just wanted to be alone and put my emotions about the war in perspective." The solitude of four peaceful months in the Thousand Islands didn't still the rage that burned within Shelp. He tried college, entering the University of Rochester on the GI bill. But he couldn't cope with the anti-war demonstrations on campus. He dropped out after one and a half semesters. "Fraternity row had all these anti-war signs and other weird kinds of things.. The government was paying for my schooling so I kind of stuck out like a sore thumb - not only because I was older than most students but because I didn't socialize with people on campus. For years, unsettling memories of death and destruction were Shelp's constant companion. He developed a temper and was involved in numerous brawls. On the job side, he tried the construction business, doing masonry work. "If things weren't exactly right, I would blow up. I would throw the plans at the people... walk off the job." In 1979, at the age of 34, he found himself consumed with restlessness and depression. He'd lost count of all the jobs he'd held and quit, all the places he'd lived and the emotional upheavals he'd experienced. His marriage of eleven years was nearly over. Shelp saw a newspaper ad touting the services of a Veteran's Outreach Center in Buffalo. But when he got there, he found the agency wasn't offering the kind of help he needed. "They asked me what my problem was," Shelp said. " I told them it was Vietnam. But they weren't interested in that. They said they could assist me if I needed help getting benefits or getting a bad conduct discharge turned around. I said, 'So I don't count anymore, okay, ciao.'" His problems continued. After 13 years of marriage and two children, he and his wife split up. "She always tried to understand me, but it just wasn't NAM VET Newsletter Page 53 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 meant to be. Vietnam was a good percentage of the reason the marriage soured." In 1983, while working at a clothing manufacturer in Rochester, Shelp began to experience "uncomfortable feelings" when the firm started hiring Vietnamese workers. "Just watching then eat their lunch, shoveling rice into their mouth really bothered me," he said. "By that point I had developed such a hatred for them because of the war. I quit before I did something foolish." A short time later, Shelp got into a fight in a tavern in Avon. He was standing at one end of the bar, holding onto a bag of groceries, when a patron came up and knocked the bag out of Shelp's hands. "I didn't know the guy and I don't know what his motivations were except that he had a few drinks in him," Shelp recalled. "ut he tried to hit me and I hit him back. Big time. I busted him up good enough to sent him to Highland Hospital." Shelp was arrested on assault charges, but they were dismissed. But Shelp knew he had gone too far and needed help. He went to the VA Medical Center. During weeks of counseling, he learned that he was suffering from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder - an affliction affecting some 450,000 Vietnam veterans. Brought on by the trauma of war, the disorder carries numerous symptoms, including instability in work and difficulties relating to others. After experiencing some relief, Shelp discontinued the counseling, But he was far from cured. Shelp was haunted by guilt over the killing he had done in Vietnam and over the death of some of his men. As their squad leader, he had felt responsible for their safety. "In the military, they gear you up in training to become a killer, but they never teach you how to deal with it when you do it," he said. "They don't teach you how to deal with losing good friends. "And inevitably in a war there are always some civilians caught in the middle someplace - some innocent people who get killed by mistake. I guess that's the guilt that comes back on anybody that was exposed to it." Shelp re-entered counseling at the VA in 1985 and finally was able to get to the root of his pain - the memory of the little South Vietnamese boy Kham. It was not until he came to grips with the boy's death in extensive counseling with Dr. Roger Lyman that Shelp began to feel better. "Kham is always in my thoughts, but I am more at peace with them now," he said. "Talking with Roger and other friends about it has helped me. I've learned to accept what happened and NAM VET Newsletter Page 54 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 I feel better." Shelp said he knows lots of other Vietnam veterans who are still struggling with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. "I tell them they have it, and they need counseling, but it often falls on deaf ears," he said. "And for those guys you just have to be there when they hit bottom. But my advice to others who are running through that gauntlet of memories, they should come here before they make a stupid mistake." Shelp said he enjoys working at the hospital and has a good relationship with his two children. He said his aim is simply to enjoy life. And what of his memories of Vietnam? "I don't want to deal with it anymore," he said. "It's gone. It's history." | | |____====________ ||__________}____)==================|) =============---------------------===_____ /| | | | |\\ \________|__________|_________|_________|/ \\(O)___(O)___(O)___(O)___(O)___(O)// NAM VET Newsletter Page 55 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 Input by: Terry Hayes Waterloo, NY Vets Ambushed THE WASHINGTON TIMES, PAGE A6 THURSDAY, MAY 31,1990 The National Steering Committee for American War Veterans sent a delegation to the Laotian Embassy earlier this week to deliver a note. "If you'll return our POWs," the note read, "you won't have to hide behind police lines anymore." The note was enclosed in a bamboo cage. Police lines had been set up after motorcyclists in town for the "Rock for Freedom" rally began riding over a large Laotian flag in front of the embassy. Organizers said about 15,000 cyclists and friends participated in the "Rock" event, and probably 300 or more earned special patches for participating in the "flag art" exercise. Following the event, a delegation of veterans took the note to the Laotian Embassy. Three uniformed members of the Secret Service escorted the small group to the door. After they had knocked several times, one of the delegation observed: "I just heard someone lock and load behind the door," meaning he had heard someone chamber a round of ammunition. Then came "a loud explosion" behind the door and suddenly the door knob flew off at a high velocity. "Why don't you leave us alone?" a voice behind the door demanded. Ted Sampley of the vets organization said he has filed complaints with the Secret Service and the State Department, but hasn't gotten a response. He said he has the event on videotape. ____________ ======= _________________/|_____... | | " === |_______________| |-----::: |._ - " ) |_|___| / / |___| /_/ NAM VET Newsletter Page 56 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 Input by: Chuck Hayes A friend of mine wrote this and said I could share it with y'all. THE WALL, YOUR WALL, MY WALL I stand at the wall to find freedom from the covey of hovering faces. Your wives, your kids, and your stories are with me like litter cases. Your valor was courage in death. Your families cast medals of rage. The living stuff awesome visions-- of stench, from 'Nam as they age. I worked for and in "THE ISSUE" of Missing and Prisoners of War. Gave speeches and sat with world leaders Boxed bracelets and pamphlets galore. I carried your tears to the White House-- your screams to the 10 o'clock news. I carried your dreams to the Peace Talks-- your prayers to Notre Dame's pews. "Took names" at the State Department-- "kicked tail" in the Puzzle Palace. I did what it took to get answers, and daily filled buckets with malice. I loved my flag and my country-- not THOSE who left you in a bind. I hated the captors of torture-- not Vietnamese WE left behind. I wasn't "in charge" or "responsible"-- I chose 20 odd years on that rack. I've been my own prisoner of war 'CAUSE WE NEVER GOT ALL OF YOU BACK. So I come to this gallant gathering, to salute you each in one place. You're heroes without your parade; your memories we can not erase. Now my tears are reflected in granite-- I FEEL the pain and CAN leave you. The freedom I found at YOUR WALL-- MY permission to cry and to grieve you. maureen smith 17-20 may 1990 NAM VET Newsletter Page 57 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 Input by: Joyce Flory NAM VETs Incarcerated Veterans Section Editor Desert Dolphin BBS - Las Cruces, NM (505) 523-2811 " Mother still writes letters to son killed in Vietnam " ( Associated Press ) " WASHINGTON - Elanor Wimbish dutifully writes her eldest son four times a year.But she never mails the letters. She leaves them beneath panel No. 32 of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial , where her son's name is permanently engraved in black granite. Wimbish , a 63 - year - old great grandmother from Glen Burnie , Md. , began writing the unmailed letters to her son , William Stocks , after he was killed in a helicopter crash in Vietnam Feb. 13 , 1969. For years , she told no one of the letters she wrote in the wee hours of the morning to comfort herself. But in recent years her letters have been published in numerous books and magazines. Next week , one of the letters will be read during public television's live Memorial Day , evening broadcast of a National Symphony concert on the U.S.Capitol grounds. In the letters , Wimbish often discusses childhood memories of her son and the kindness his fellow military buddies have shown her through the years. " This ( writing ) is my way of coping with the pain , " Wimbish said after leaving a letter at the Memorial earlier this month , on what would have been Stock's 43rd birthday. " My son warmed his way into everyone's heart. He was very special. " Stocks , nickname " Spanky " by his comrades in Vietnam , died at age 21. The blades of his helicopter cut into the aircraft , leaving Stocks severely injured. He died about half an hour later. His body was returned to the United States in a glass - covered casket. Wimbish explained that all bodies deemed viewable were placed in such caskets. " I didn't have to wonder like others who only got pieces back. " Wimbish said , clutching her handbag and fighting back tears. " I hope you know I'm going home and bawl like crazy. But that's OK. It's worth it. It's worth it for people to know. " The letter to be read was written six years ago. " Today is Feb. 13 , 1984. I came to this black wall again to see and touch your name , and as I do , I wonder if anyone ever stops to realize that next to your name , on this black wall , is your mother's heart. A heart broken 15 years ago today , when you lost your life in Vietnam , " Wimbish wrote. " When my son died , I wrote my pledge , " Wimbish said. " I said I will not now or ever let people forget. " NAM VET Newsletter Page 58 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 An estimated 200 , 000 people are expected to gather on the West Lawn of the U.S.Capitol Saturday. The 90 - minute TV special will feature actress Colleen Dewhurst , who will read the letter , in addition to appearances by actor James Earl Jones and singer Rosemary Clooney , who will preform with the National Symphony. " _ | | -----/_\----- -O==============< : >==============O- ( ) (...) ( ) NAM VET Newsletter Page 59 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 Input by: Joyce Flory NAM VETs Incarcerated Veterans Section Editor Desert Dolphin BBS - Las Cruces, NM (505) 523-2811 " Wife sees cruelty of her Vietnam apathy " By Laura Palmer " Before she married one , Jennifer Trudeau's attitude toward Vietnam vets could be summed up in five words : " What a bunch of losers. " Born in 1967 , she was too young to remember the war. When she was growing up in Groton , Conn. , Vietnam rarely was talked about and barely taught in school. By the time she graduated from high school in 1985 , she doubts she could have pinpointed Vietnam on a map , but she didn't much care. " I had heard people say the vets were crybabies because they never got a welcome home parade. You're impressionable when you are young and that was my attitude , that it was all just a bunch of ( garage ). " As a teenager , Trudeau was a drummer with Groton's Nutmeg Fife and Drum Corps. Twice , while on trips with the group , she had a chance to see the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington. But she stayed on the bus both times. She couldn't understand why people came back to the bus with tears in their eyes , especially when " it was only a damn wall. " Two years ago , Trudeau was working as an electronic beam welder on B1 - B and F - 16 bombers at an aerospace company in Groton when she noticed Terry Topham. One of her co - workers jokingly said she should stay away from him because he was a crazy Vietnam vet. But Trudeau and Topham discovered they had common interests , like hunting and target shooting , and soon they were dating. Gradually , Topham began to talk to Trudeau about the war. He went to Vietnam in 1967 , the year she was born , and served with the Army's 9th Infantry Division. When he came home , he tried to talk to his parents about what he'd been through but they refused to listen. Once he began sharing his stories with Trudeau , he couldn't stop. " He was so happy to get it off his chest that he went overboard talking about it. It was driving me nuts , " Trudeau says. " One day I said , ' Please , stop I don't want to hear it anymore.' I felt if he stopped talking about his Vietnam experiences , it would heal the wound and stop driving me mad. But I could see the crumpled look on his face and it hurt me a lot when I realized what I had done. " So , a few months later , when Topham said he wanted to see the wall again , Trudeau agreed to go along. They rode to Washington on his motorcycle. " It was strange ," she says , " because before , I had laughed at the wall. Terry looked at the wall and he started to cry. He NAM VET Newsletter Page 60 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 sort of froze in his steps. I tried to comfort him even though I knew there was no true way to ease the misery and pain he felt when looking at the names. It really moved me that he reacted that way. " The two of them went back to the wall after midnight , expecting to find the wall deserted. They were surprised to find others there on private vigils. As they approached the wall , one man embraced Terry and said , " Welcome home. " " I had never witnessed such camaraderie between two strangers , " Trudeau says. The man then embraced Trudeau with the same words , even though it was clear to him that she was too young to have ever served in Vietnam. " It brings you into a very closed circle. It was almost like unlocking a secret , " she says. Suddenly , Trudeau sensed the magnitude of the wall's power. " Now when I look at that wall I can almost feel the men there and when I touch the wall , it's strange. I feel a sadness , and a loneliness. I'm kicking myself for all those years I made fun of it. It was the cruelest thing I've ever done. I know that now. " Trudeau , who wed Topham in October , is dismayed because she knows that there are many in her post - Vietnam generation who know nothing about the war and don't care. " It's a very valuable history lesson. I would say , ' Wake up and take a look at Vietnam. ' " NAM VET Newsletter Page 61 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 Input By: Todd Looney NAM VET Managing Editor Vietnam Veterans' Valhalla - San Jose, CA (408) 298-2740 PUBLIC APOLOGY Dear Friends, What I have to do now is one of the hardest things I believe I have ever had to face in my life. I am literally crying and trembling at this keyboard right now and cannot for the life of me imagine a more difficult task that to confess to friends that I have lied to them, and then ask for their forgiveness. But that is the task before me now. Please bear with me. A little over a year ago I committed a crime, a heinous offense which I have had to live with since, and will have to live with for the rest of my life, and one for which I was tried and convicted, and sentenced to 7 months in the Santa Clara County jail. The details are not relevant, but the fact that I came before you in the IVVEC conference and lied about them is. I begged for help, something that is not easy for me to do in the first place, but was harder because I was doing it under false pretenses. I did not lie to you out of malice, but out of fear. I was sick at the time, not that excuses the crime or the ensuing lies, but that sickness contributed to a serious state of denial which took me several months to overcome. I have been in therapy since last summer, 5 hours a week to be exact, and that therapy has helped me to find myself, to know who I am, and to finally face the person I was. I'm OK with who I am now, but I am not, nor ever can be, OK with the monster I was a year ago. I told you that it was my son, in fact, who had committed a crime, and that he was being falsely accused, and I asked you all, through the IVVEC, for financial assistance to aid in the legal battle we were undergoing. I accepted monies under that premise, not much, but that is irrelevant also. The fact is that I accepted that aid under false pretenses. It is important though for you to know that I used the money for my own defense. If you demand it back, I will honor that, I swear to you with God as my witness. Later I told you that I struck an assistant district attorney and had myself been arrested for assault. That also was not true. My son was never involved, nor was there any assault on an assistant district attorney. I alone committed a crime, but I did not suffer for it alone. I nearly destroyed my family; my wife has divorced me, but more important is what I did to the rest of my family - you. I deceived you, and I can no longer live with that. I served my "time" as honorably as I could ... "paid society" if you will. But that payment was pale in comparison to the price I paid by deceiving those who I cared about the most - my brothers and sisters, my veteran family, and you, my friends. It was nothing even close to what I paid by jeopardizing what I had labored to build in the Valhalla and the IVVEC. I *learned* from that experience though; I want you to know that. I learned by *living* what it is like in today's society to be an incarcerated veteran with a family and home on the outside to NAM VET Newsletter Page 62 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 support and wondering how he can possibly do it - not knowing what assistance there is on the outside to help - to be *denied* all but the most basic of human rights - to wonder if the rights he earned by serving in Vietnam were inalienable with regard to veterans benefits. And with what I've learned I *know* I can *help* others who are stepping into the shoes I just stepped out of - others who are experiencing the same traumatic upheavals in their lives that I managed to survive - helping others with what I now know as I did before by using what I learned in the jungles of Vietnam and Laos a lifetime ago. This experience has taught me the *true* value of life ... my brothers and sisters, my veteran family, and my friends. I have not been involved with the IVVEC or the NAM VET in quite some time. I was not mentally able to, nor did I have the internal fortitude to continue to live the lie through the IVVEC conference by acting though I had never lied to you in the first place. During my absence, Joe Peck, whom I love as dearly as though he were blood kin, took *all* of the responsibilities and made the IVVEC and the NAM VET into what it is today; an institution and a beacon of hope for Vietnam veterans throughout the country. I owe him for accepting that burden, but more than that I owe him for deceiving him. And I owe all of you. I don't know if I can ever make up for what I have done to you all, but I promise to try if you will let me. I want so very much to be involved again in the course of the IVVEC conference and that of the NAM VET Newsletter. But that it not up to me. I can not just simply walk back in as though nothing had ever happened. I will never be able to erase the memories of what I have done to you, but I ask now - *beg* - for your forgiveness and a chance to be a part of your lives again. It's in your hands now...I await your decision. Sincerely Yours, Todd C. Looney NAM VET Newsletter Page 63 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 ================================================================== W h e n t h e C h a p l a i n w h i s p e r s . . . ================================================================== By: Rev. Ed Brant NAM VETs Protestant Chaplain The Landing Zone - Fall Creek, OR (503) 747-9809 A New Fight New Weapons First, an apology. I have lost my feed for the NamVet Echo! A sad stroke to be sure. No longer can I see the needs of our Vet community in the Echo area, therefore neither can I feel the area of needed input to the Newsletter. Please bear with me. I recently came across some statistics that many of you already are aware of. WW II draft age was 35 Nam draft age was 25 Nam lasted 16 years. 8.5 million served. WW II Killed in action c. 300,000 Nam Killed in action c. 58,000 Even though we were at war longer, we lost less of our brothers, and sisters, than in any other war. What we see today is the result of a medical science that leaped ahead in the saving of lives, via a rapid removal to a field hospital, or evacuation to a medical facility. What we see isn't up to great debate. We all have friends, and loved ones who are alive, but in a wheelchair for the rest of their lives, or missing a leg, an arm or both. Men left alive and with memories that often times are bitter. Then the rest of us are ridden with Guilt, because "If I was free to act as I could have, `I' could have prevented....."that". Well, There's so much more to the battered subject. 479,000 of us have PTSD. More debate. One school say's that PTSD is a figment of our imaginations. The other school says it's real. (I KNOW that the flashback that woke me up and sitting up in bed I saw it happening all over again, was real) It's been said that 11.1 % of us have PTSD right now! And that 30% of all of us will have it at some point in our lives. The VA says that it's not curable. Some agencies say to the wife, "He'll never get better. Leave him!" Our divorce rate is astounding! I'm here today to tell you that there IS A CURE! (Wives, don't give up, and Don't leave him!) Not a wipeout of memories, not a lessening of the care factor, but a cure in the sense of the ability to function in our society, whatever society we live in. NAM VET Newsletter Page 64 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 The ability to have real love for our families, real care for our fellow vets. Jesus said: Peace I leave with you, my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives, give I to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. Jn. 14:27 He also said in Jn 16:33, `These things have I spoken to you, that in me you might have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.' There it is fellow Vet! Want peace? The Psychologist doesn't have peace. The Doctor doesn't have peace. The Counsulor doesn't have peace. But Jesus does. How do you get it? Easy. How do you live it? Hard. But hey! Nam was hard. If I could live through what I went through, I can do this. How about you? The easy part is getting the peace of God. Just ask Him into your heart. He'll put His LIVE Holy Spirit into you, taking the dead spirit that was there and making it alive. (We communicate with God on a spiritual level, and a dead spirit can't communicate, thus the Holy Spirit "enlivens" our dead spirit.) We ask forgiveness for sin in our lives. We forgive everyone that we have been holding grudges against. (Govt. NVA, Family, friends, bosses, Officers, the Gy.Sgt.) When we do that, (1. Ask God to come into our life, and 2. ask Him to forgive all our sin, and 3. forgive everyone involved in our "problems".) you WILL GET PEACE. Then, you go to war. Exciting? Want to fight again? Enlist in God's army. I promise you front line (whatever that is) action! I like the way LeRoy Eims in his book, NO MAGIC FORMULA (Bibical Principles for Spiritual Warfare) NavPress 1977, puts it. He speaks of the things that cause bad memories in battle, (He was a Marine in WW II - Peleliu) and says that "these things were a reality. I didn't want to; I didn't like it; but I had to face them." (Pg.ii) And a Christian Vet of the Nam will find that he has joined in a harder fight than anything he ever went through in Nam, IF he accepts the PEACE that God offers us. Oh! By the way, it's FREE! Anyway, One of the first things we learn in this type of warfare, is to face our problems head on. Guilt? Face it head on. Anger? Face it head on. Fear? Face it head on! Depression? Face it head on! Anxiety? Face it head on! Needless to say, If we are engaged in a battle, Then there MUST be an enemy. His weapons are such things as fear, guilt, depression, anger, accusation, etc. We have weapons, too. Give me some feedback, and I'll talk about them next time. (Hint: You need weapons to fight, and God has given us weapons to use) Till then, Keep in the Battle! (We win!) Rev. 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II I "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age" Matthew 28:20 NAM VET Newsletter Page 66 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 ================================================================== H e a r t s & M i n d s ================================================================== Input by: Kathleen Kelly, Ph.D. NAM VETs PTSD Section Editor The New York Transfer - Staten Island, NY (718) 448-2358 Copied from Finger Lakes Times, Geneva, NY Monday, April 30, 1990 DOCTOR HELPS VETS DEAL WITH VIETNAM By BRENDA PITTMAN AND RUDY ELDER CANANDAIGUA- Imagine living in hell for a year. You spend your days slogging through leech-invested muck or cautiously stepping along make-shift jungle trails. You worry about booby traps, about losing an arm or a leg. The elusive enemy rarely shows himself, but you know he's out there, waiting to snuff out your life. Icy fear gnaws at your gut. You keep walking, watching and worrying. It's hot, steel mill hot. Tiny rivers of sweat run down your face, and your combat gear grows heavier by the hour. At night, you rest. But there's little sleep in a combat zone. And then it happens. Mortar shells explode, sending hot chunks of jagged metal into young bodies. The clatter of machine-gun fire and the screams of the wounded fill the air. You see friends die agonizing deaths. Chaos reigns. You shoot at shadows. Finally, it's over, The dead and wounded are carted away. The cycle of life in hell starts up again, until one day you're whisked away from the bad place. Good-bye Vietnam. You're now supposed to forget about that awful year and get on with your life. It's easier said than done. Some 450,000 Vietnam veterans can't forget. They are afflicted with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, a psychological condition caused by the trauma of war. PTSD sufferers generally feel alienated from society. They can't hold jobs. They have difficulty expressing their feelings. Many are filled with anger and guilt. For years, little help was available. No more. Dr. Roger Lyman is the director of a clinic at the Veterans Administration Medical Center in Canandaigua that specializes in treating Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Counseling and group therapy are mainstays of the program. "These guys come in here and gradually open up and talk about things that are very hard to talk about," Lyman said. "Invariably they begin to open up like never before because they NAM VET Newsletter Page 67 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 know somebody else will understand and won't judge them. They gradually develop trust in us - which is very hard for them to do - and they do get better." The program also offers couples and family therapy, and counseling for spouses. Vietnam veteran Jim Robinson, the clinic's nurse/counselor, is involved in both individual and group treatment. "The first set of symptoms are similar to the problems seen in survivors of disasters such as airline crashes and earthquakes. They have nightmares and flashbacks," Lyman said. Out of the blue, PTSD suffers are mentally transported to the jungles of Vietnam where they relive the death of a buddy or find themselves in the midst of a gory battle killing the enemy. "There's an emotional numbing. The veteran has difficulty expressing a full range of emotions," said Lyman many are afraid to open up about their feelings out of fear people might think them crazy. So they drink and do drugs to numb the pain. Some take their lives. Or harm others. "Many of them have never talked about their problem or dealt with it. The extent may be that someone in a bar says something about those rotten Vietnam veterans and a fight ensues and that's the end of it," said Lyman, who has been working with PTSD veterans since about 1985. Fifteen percent of all those who served in Vietnam suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, according to government statistics. For veterans who engaged in heavy combat, the number rises to 40 percent. Lyman says certain factors about the Vietnam war contributed to the high rate of veterans suffering from PTSD. For example: * The average age of a U.S. soldier fighting in Vietnam was 19; in World War II, it was 28. * Whole units were rarely sent to Vietnam as a group. Soldiers basically went to war as individuals, joining a unit for 12 or 13 months. * In World War II, troops spent weeks returning home aboard ships. During that time, they had the emotional support of one another to come to terms with the war. Vietnam veterans found themselves at home usually within 36 hours after leaving combat. * Some World War II veterans were treated to ticker tape parades. Vietnam veterans witnessed anti-war marches and protests. * There was no clear-cut objective in Southeast Asia. " It wasn't really clear what we were doing over there," Lyman said. "And if you are laying your life on the line, you want to know why." ".. The Stars and Stripes newspaper was reporting the anti-war protesting going on at home, which added to their sense of just how bizarre their experience was in Vietnam." * In Vietnam, the enemy was everywhere. "The Viet Cong NAM VET Newsletter Page 68 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 were infiltrated into villages of South Vietnam and you didn't know if someone who was a farmer by day was a Viet Cong at night," said Lyman. * American troops sometimes were forced to kill women and children working for the enemy. Innocent civilians were murdered. "It's impossible for me to conceive that men who had those kinds of experiences would not be psychologically devastated," said Lyman. "Our men saw atrocities and often retaliated in kind and later experienced tremendous guilt. Lyman's program in Canandaigua is treating some 70 veterans. But there are many others who need help. Lyman said he wants to reach out to veterans throughout the Finger Lakes. That's why he plans to set up satellite clinics in Dansville and Ithaca. While the majority of PTSD patients are Vietnam veterans, the condition is seen in veterans from other wars. " And these clinic doors are open to those people as well," Lyman said. (Veterans interested in learning more about Lyman's Post Traumatic Stress Disorder Program can contact him at 716-396-3687.) ____________ ======= _________________/|_____... | | " === |_______________| |-----::: |._ - " ) |_|___| / / |___| /_/ NAM VET Newsletter Page 69 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 Input by: Kathleen Kelly, Ph.D. NAM VETs PTSD Section Editor The New York Transfer - Staten Island, NY (718) 448-2358 THE HEALING NIGHTMARE: A STUDY OF THE WAR DREAMS OF VIETNAM COMBAT VETERANS by Harry A. Wilmer It seems to most of us that Vietnam was a long time ago, that it is past history. It still lives in the nightmares of combat veterans and the collective unconscious of us all. It is an illusion to declare that the Vietnam Syndrome is over. Denial never killed anything. In a dream seminar I directed for schizophrenic patients at the Audie Murphy Veterans Hospital in San Antonio, a Vietnam veteran I shall call Jim told his recurring nightmare. I had been listening to veterans' dreams for four years before that day, but Jim's nightmare was somehow different, and the group of 25 fellow patients who heard it were unusually affected. Jim had his nightmare several times a week for twelve years, and his terror and grief were vivid. When the session was over it struck me that while I had been listening to Vietnam nightmares for years, I had not yet really HEARD them. So I began to work analytically with Jim. We met two to three hours a week for the next three months in the hospital and less frequently for the following two years in the outpatient clinic, and I followed him off and on for the next four years. In the first two months Jim's dream was about a tragic ambush, viewed first from this angle, then from that, now about this part, then about that part, but always the precisely identical event. The dream never varied from the images of the real event -- never, that is, until after we began working. It had previously recurred hundreds and hundreds of times, and yet it was the same dream coming back again and again. I reasoned that there must be some biological or psychological purpose, some meaning in its repetition. .... Jim described his dream as if it were a film replayed in his mind, like cinema verite. The story of the dream is the narrative of the time when he, acting as point man, and another sergeant led a platoon of seventeen newly arrived men to their deaths in an ambush on their first firefight. Jim had been in Vietnam for almost a year when the ambush happened. The dream tells of sudden panic when the platoon was passing through a ravine and the Vietcong opened fire. The men fell screaming and crying, wounded and dying. The other sergeant escaped, running back to the camp, while Jim, standing in the foxhole of a VC he had killed, looked down on the slaughter and NAM VET Newsletter Page 70 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 the carnage. He held a grenade in his hand and froze. Try to imagine this: he sees a VC officer picking up he heads of each of the wounded men by the hair and shooting them, one by one. If Jim throws his grenade he will kill his own men. He waits until they are all dead, then he throws the grenade and runs until he finds his way back to the base camp. In the dream, as in real life, he returned to the ravine the next day with other soldiers to bring back the bodies. They had been decapitated and the heads put on punji sticks and smeared with shit. Some of the bodies had been mutilated in other ways. After this, Jim broke down and was medevaced back to the United States. He felt guilty, banished, rejected. For twelve years Jim had been in and out of Veterans Administration hospitals and maintained on large doses of medications. He also drank excessively, became addicted to heroin, and smoked pot as often as he could. In a vain attempt to blot out his insomnia and nightmare, he began to take six to eight downers a night -- barbiturates he bought on the street which made his consciousness hazy and even more at the mercy of the dark forces of the collective shadow which haunted him in the night with terrifying specters. When I reviewed Jim's large VA treatment records I found not a single mention of his nightmare. Even more astonishing, there was no record of his Vietnam combat experiences. Neither nightmares nor combat experiences were recorded in the VA hospital records of any of the Vietnam veterans with whom I worked. Why do you suppose their records were silent on this score? I asked Jim His reply was characteristic of the Vietnam veteran. He said, "Nobody asked me." After two months of analytical psychotherapy, Jim's nightmares began to change. At last the loop of precise dream repetition was broken, as I had hoped. He became in turn each of the people in the high drama: the executor, the executed, the soldier he killed to take his foxhole above the ravine, the other sergeant. When he was decapitated his head rolled down the hill towards the sea, and he, headless, ran to retrieve it. He explained that he could see with his soul, which came out of his neck: psyche means soul. In another month, Jim finally dreamed of me. I was a doctor in his platoon; I was in the ravine and badly wounded in the head. With the help of a woman nurse Jim rescued me and bandaged me. His feminine side was personified by the actual nurse on the VA ward (who, incidentally, was pregnant) who had been assigned especially to his care. They were working together to save the "wounded healer." He carried me back to the base, where I told the soldiers that Jim was not guilty. He was exonerated and there was a parade for him. NAM VET Newsletter Page 71 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 In a moment of naive relief, I thought that at last the story had been fulfilled and the nightmare resolved. But that was not the case, and in retrospect, I should have known better. Namely, his salvation was not in saving me in order that I might resolve his guilt and his shame, for then I would have usurped his own heroic role. No, the turning point was to be different. Dreams in which he rescued me recurred for a while. Suddenly there was a change. He decapitated me, and in another dream I decapitated him -- we both lost our heads. Finally the transformation and resolution occurred when after rescuing me he woke from his nightmare not drenched in seat, trembling and panicky, as always before, by crying. At long last he would mourn his irretrievable losses and the sacrifices in his Vietnam experience. In his grief he could at last cry and begin that search for meaning which I characterize as "the healing nightmare." The nightly dreams no longer tormented him at infrequent intervals. Now he shrugged off his dream as "Oh, that damn thing again," and lost interest in discussing it with me. The unconscious transference of the twin heroes and the healing of both the wounded and the wounded healer was played out. Jim's recovery had its ups and downs. One day about six months into his therapy, after reading newspaper stories of the nine hundred Americans who had committed suicide in Guyuana and the three thousand Vietnamese boat people arriving in America, he burst into my office demanding a gun. He had just been swimming in the pool at the Va hospital and suddenly became convinced that the Vietnamese were invading America, having tunneled all the way to San Antonio, and were coming up the drain in the pool. He was now delusional, and everyone in the hospital seemed to be Vietnamese. He took my wrist as if taking my pulse. I told him that he knew I was not going to give him a gun and he would have to sit down in my office and talk to me. We spoke about Guyana and the boat people, about how far-distant things come into our minds wherever we are, and that we would have to try to sort out his fear and rage when he calmed down. I put my arm around him and led him back to the ward, where I told him he would be restricted for a while. I told him I was going to increase his medication. A few days later he told me why he had held my wrist. He was checking to see if I was a Vietnamese invader wearing a plastic Dr. Wilmer disguise or the real thing. Convinced I was Dr. Wilmer, he did as I asked. If, as I propose, war trauma nightmares are clues to healing, then what were all the other Vietnam veterans dreaming? The literature was no help. This was in 1978 and no one had published material on the Vietnam combat nightmares. Convinced of the practical therapeutic and theoretical importance of such a study, I persuaded the chief of staff of the VA hospital to give me a sabbatical leave to devote my full time to this project. I worked with 109 veterans from 1978 to 1981. NAM VET Newsletter Page 72 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 The combat nightmare has been clearly identified as the hallmark of the psychological trauma of war. In World War I, it was called shell shock or war neurosis; in World War II, battle fatigue; and since 1979, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, or PTSD. My study included 103 men, and 91 of them told me 359 dreams of Vietnam. Twelve veterans recalled no war nightmares. (Since nightmares begin as long as ten years or more after the war, these twelve men are at risk all of their lives to have them. It is quite likely that these twelve veterans had dreams about Vietnam after returning home; it would be most remarkable if they had not. But this much is certain: they were not troubled by any recurring war nightmares.) I counted each repetitive dream only once, and since these nightmares recurred week after week, month after month, year after year, the total is tens of thousands of dreams. But even 359 dreams present an overwhelming number of images, memories, and feelings to try to organize and understand. This is how I went about my study: I explained to each veteran that I had not been in Vietnam but had been working for years with Vietnam veterans. I had been a captain in the navy during the Korean War. As each man came to see me I explained that I would meet him for two or three hours at least two or three different times, and I would tape-record our interviews, but I had to have their signed, informed consent. I explained I was going to write a book and give lectures and write papers based on these interviews. Three men refused to sign the consent form .... I did not use these cases. The diagnosis of PTSD had not yet been officially accepted by the VA. The usual psychiatric diagnoses created a mind-set that made it easy for the general public to slip into calling these men "VA psychos," "losers," "dope fiends," "walking time bombs," "crazy vets," "baby killers," or whatever stereotype came to mind. Anyway psychiatric labeling sidesteps the real issue, that war trauma is an existential experience, and maladaptation to it is not necessary a psychiatric disorder. Even the formal diagnosis of PTSD, which is now a legitimate way into the mental health system, often brings into play drugs and therapies that are irrelevant to those suffering from war neuroses. Automatic treatment with sedatives, tranquilizers, and sleeping pills by personnel psychologically trained to seek childhood conflicts as the cause of later distress may be useless or counterproductive. (Moreover, compensation for disability has its problems. Monthly checks, rather than a lump-sum settlement, tend to pay the veteran to be sick; and as has happened to many veterans and their families, continuing but reducing payments makes it easy to forget that NAM VET Newsletter Page 73 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 these men are not aberrations but ordinary people.) While the developmental history is important, ultimately we face an archetypal war experience. It is here that the Jungian approach offers help, insight, and meaning beyond traditional psychiatry. Talking with these veterans would sometimes open their wounds, awakening disturbing effects. For those whose interviews raised more dust than they settled, I offered psychotherapy. To my surprise, I found that even a few sessions of listening, I mean really listening with a non-judgmental motivation to help, was adequate. It was not necessary to say much. On the rare occasions when I felt that I was hearing "war stories," with embellishments or distortions or even fabrications, I ignored them. With few exceptions I accepted what each veteran told me as his truth -- his authentic individual perspective. I had no intention of trying to corroborate his history, which would have been impossible anyway. I knew that if there were more than one observer to a battle, there would be a Rashomon effect and as many perspectives as there were observers. Let me give you one veteran's war nightmare: "We came in by helicopter. My buddy and I are about two feet apart in a foxhole on top of Hill 101. We got to know each other pretty good over three or four days. We had to stay in the same foxhole. We couldn't even get out to stretch our legs because of sniper fire. I am talking with my buddy. It is real dark. He lit a cigarette and all of a sudden his head blows off. His brains come out all over me. I wake up screaming." War nightmares are a unique form of dreams. There are no other dreams like them. Freud despaired of working with or considering them because they were exceptions to his theory of dreams. They were not wish fulfillment, and they were not explainable in terms of libido theory. He did not treat any war neuroses. Jung, too, was pessimistic about treating them, saying that one had to wait and let the dreams more or less play out and stop of their own accord. However, in 1983 at Davos, Switzerland, I asked Marie-Louise von Franz, Jung's collaborator and one of the most illustrious Jungian authorities, why Jung didn't work with combat nightmares. She told me that, in fact, he did and related this (unpublished) case: A British officer came to Jung because of a war nightmare that had tormented him for several years after World War II. In the dream, the man is in his home and suddenly becomes terrified. It is night. He goes to the front door and locks it. Then the back door. He locks all the windows on the first floor. But the sense of terror and panic continues to built, and he goes upstairs and locks all the windows, but just as he begins to close the last NAM VET Newsletter Page 74 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 window a grenade explodes outside the window. This dream recurs again and again during three months of analysis, until suddenly one night, when he goes to close the last window, a roaring lion appears and the dreamer wakes in terror. Jung thought, "Ah, that's good. The instrument of danger had become an instinctual animal." And so it continues until finally one night, as the dreamer closes the last window, he sees the face of a man. Jung said to himself, "Now he will not have the dreams anymore." And that was the case. The danger had been faced and was his own reflection, and that could be analyzed. So frightening were the Vietnam combat nightmares that the veterans were usually reluctant to talk about them at all. And who wanted to listen? The American people wanted to forget Vietnam, and veterans with their grim dreams were a hideous reminder of what happened to countless veterans. The war nightmares are symbolic of our national nightmare, which is just beginning to go away. But it will not fully go away, and so we run a high risk of repeating it in another way, in another international police action, unless we face that nightmare horror -- hear it, see it, know it. Then having remembered it, perhaps we can begin to forget it when we realize that what we are facing is the personal and collective shadow, and that these are part of each one of us. Then there can be a healing, a reconciliation with the wholeness that is also holy, the centering Self, the central archetype, which is our own inner religious experience. Probably 400,000 to 500,000 Vietnam combat veterans are suffering psychologically from the aftermath of war and need help. Until now we have let the Vietnam veteran carry our odious shadow. That way we don't have to see that it is our own reflection in the window that would heal us if we faced it. This phenomenon is also described by William Broyles, a Vietnam veteran, in an article about visiting the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, DC: "I cried too. It was as if a common emotion held back in so many private corners was all at once coming out into the sunlight. I cried for the men who had been there, for their families, for the country, for myself. I cried because I couldn't help it. It was beyond knowing. As I stood in front of the polished granite I saw the names, but I also saw my own reflection. It feel across the names like a ghost. 'Why me, Lord?' we asked ourselves in NAM VET Newsletter Page 75 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 Vietnam. It was a question that came back as I stood there: 'Why them?' It was a terrible sadness that brought the tears. But also, beneath it, there was a deep relief tinged with guilt: my name isn't on the wall." [1] I had an unusual opportunity as a Jungian psychoanalyst to study the psychological trauma of war. I talked to combat veterans from the psychiatric wards in the hospital, from the outpatient clinic, and from the Vet Center Outreach in downtown San Antonio. I also saw veterans who were not patients but were referred by veterans I had seen. I came to the conclusion that what I was hearing -- no, what I was experiencing -- was an absolutely unique, unconscious history of the impact of combat violence on the human psyche. This was the unconscious history of the Vietnam War as reflected in the minds and souls of the men who were its psychological casualties. Thus a unique story of war emerges from the veterans' nightmares. Franz Kafka wrote: "You can hold back from the suffering of the world, you have free permission to do so, and it is in accordance with your nature, but perhaps this very holding back is the one suffering you could have avoided." [2] In the inner world of spirit and the collective unconscious dwell the shadow of human beings, the dark side of the psyche, the rejected, unwanted, repressed unconscious, and ultimately evil, even absolute evil. This is not an atavistic throwback but the emergence of the primitive, archaic psyche that lives in civilized humanity. Archetypes have positive and negative sides. When we face our shadow, accept it as our own, and don't project it onto others, the shadow may become positive, our so-called best energy. The negative shadow is a menace so long as it remains unconscious, unrecognized, and we fail to own it as our own. We tend to forget that the shadow is unconscious and therefore seen only in its projection as evil onto other people, things, races, ideas, and nations. For the American people, the Vietnam War revealed the American shadow in almost inescapable ways. It was pumped into our psyche's bloodstream by nightly television reports of the war in living and dying color. Horrors and atrocities are never committed only by the enemy, and not since the Civil War -- when it was brother against brother, a quarter of a million Americans died, a million men were wounded, and the slaves were freed -- has the American shadow been so agonizingly conspicuous. No one who has not known war at first hand can exactly imagine what it is like. I submit that the next most available NAM VET Newsletter Page 76 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 way is to experience the war dream world, not as a clinical phenomenon to be reduced to psychoanalytic interpretation, but as human experience. It is no wonder people shy away from systematic, subjective study of war nightmares. They reveal information that no traditional, clinical, statistical work can reach. Statistical analyses give us impersonal facts, averages, and generalizations, in which the individual is nothing but a unit like all the other units. Such studies do not explore exceptional and unusual cases. Jim may be number 28 on my computer analysis, but no other Vietnam vet was beheaded by me in a ravine in Vietnam, and this is an interesting psychological fact. I am not particularly drawn to the horrors of war, but neither do I turn away from them. Acceptance of these horrors in another person may import hope. Listening without contempt, depreciation, or condescension means accepting the dreamer and his dreadful images and memories. That, I regret to say, is a rare healing experience. However, caution is the watchword. Inexperienced people who are not trained in dream analysis should not dive into these troubled, dangerous waters, but should know that listening itself, without ANY interpretation, allows the dreamer to retell his story, and in the process, possibly change his attitudes and dreams. It is imperative that Americans learn about the psychological impact of catastrophe in order to comprehend today's world of terror and wars. The acceptance of the Vietnam soldier is the first new order of old business. The shameful way in which our country welcomes our veterans back from Vietnam compounded the Vietnam failure in which we all shared. It played a significant part in the veterans' subsequent sufferings and alienation. A case in point: When Mike arrived at San Francisco airport, wounded frightened, feeling both guilty and proud, he told me, this is what happened: "I went to a bar at the airport and someone at the bar said, 'Well, what are you doing here? You're crazy. Why don't you get out of here?' It seemed to me that the media had depicted us as being crazy. When I left the service, I considered myself normal. I just wanted out. I did my thing and now leave me alone." Tom, who prided himself on being a grunt, had spent twenty-six months in Vietnam and survived the Tet offensive at Hue, which was captured by the Vietcong and the North Vietnamese. He told me how it was when he landed in Washington, DC: "A lady came up to me and called me a 'murderer,' and she hit NAM VET Newsletter Page 77 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 me in the face with her purse. I said, 'Shit. This is what I came home to.' I went out and got a drink. I didn't want to come home if this was how it was gonna be." Cervando, a tough ex-marine with a drawer full of medals, said to me: "Look around you. There are still people who are ashamed to say, 'I'm a Vietnam veteran,' because they are scared that people won't talk to them. I've been insulted. 'Sir, were you one of them butchers over there? Did you really enjoy killing babies and people?'" Another veteran remembered one event that haunted him when he was awake and in his dreams: "I see this kid, twelve or thirteen years old, with his leg blown off, telling us in Vietnamese to go home and let the Vietnamese do their own fighting. At the same time, he was yelling to kill us. I turned away and somebody killed him." Bill, who lost his leg in a mine explosion, told me this nightmare, which recurred several times a week for four years: "We were on a search-and-destroy mission and were going through a friendly village. A baby was crying in a hooch, and no one else was anywhere around. My buddy went into the hooch and the captain shouted, 'DON'T PICK IT UP!' but my buddy didn't hear the warning and reached for the infant. The baby was booby-trapped with a grenade. It exploded. There was nothing recognizable left of the baby and only parts of my buddy. I'll never get that cry and explosion out of my head. Never." Mike, a paraplegic, had been accidentally shot in the back by what was called "friendly fire." A buddy's M-16 went off and severed Mike's spinal cord. Now confined to a wheelchair, with excruciating, intermittent pains in his thighs, Mike was referred to me by the Vet Center because of his severe depression and nightmares. He said: "Vietnam was a high for me. I was seventeen years old, and that shit was better than any combat movie I had ever seen. It was for real. Sometimes I would think it would be nice to stay there, at and the end of a year I extended my time in Vietnam. Six weeks later I was shot in the back." Mike's dream: "The Americans have turned on me. It is as if I am the enemy. They tied me to a tree and threw axes at me. Sometimes I dream I am a POW being captured by the Americans." I worked with Mike once a week for eleven months. Only once did he complain about having been shot by an American and wonder what his life would have been if he hadn't been shot. Mike NAM VET Newsletter Page 78 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 dreams: "We called one of the guys Coke Bottle because of his thick glasses. They blew the top of his head off. 'PICK HIM UP, MAN!' There were pieces of his brain and shit on my boots. We took his body to the LZ and the AK-45s were cracking. Pass the word -- 'They got Coke Bottle!' We dropped napalm. I dug in, scared, crying my ass off. 'Maybe he's not dead.' There was artillery fire all night. I feel asleep and had a frightening kind of dream of the sounds of elephants coming at me. I woke up screaming. We moved out in the morning. They lift Coke Bottle sitting up in a hoist, blood and all." After I had been working with Mike for three months, his nightmare stopped completely and his depression lifted, but then he began to bleed from his bowels. He was admitted to Ward 13 at Fort Sam Houston. He remarked that the first time he had been admitted to that ward was 13 years before on the thirteenth day of the month, and he had weighed eighty pounds. He said, "There was something about that ward from the first day I saw it. It seemed to me that it was going to be a part of me for the rest of my life." Although Mike was afraid that his depression would return, it never did. He didn't know why his war dreams had changed and then stopped. He said: "Maybe it had something to do with seeing you. In the past, if I had one of those dreams or flashbacks, I'd start trembling and sweating. It would worry the hell out of me. Now I sit back and accept the fact that talking about Vietnam is not going to change anything. I don't think of Vietnam. But how the hell can I live like this?" The surgeons removed a cancer of the colon and performed a colostomy. Mike was convinced that his cancer was caused by Agent Orange. The last time I saw Mike on that ward, he was semicomatose and weighed eighty pounds again. I wanted to say something to him, but I didn't know what, and the silence was painful to me. His loving wife was at his side. Seeing him there, I thought back to Christmas time eight months previously, when he had told me how he had envied the simple Vietnamese lifestyle and the beautiful countryside, and that he had never hated the Vietnamese. Mike said to me last December, "What would I say if a doctor told me I had so many months to live? I'd probably go ape-shit!" But of course, he didn't. He died rather peacefully. He and I had been relieved that his depression, nightmares, and flashbacks had gone away, but at the same time he had developed symptoms of cancer. That was both bewildering and disheartening. For one brief moment I wondered if he would have been NAM VET Newsletter Page 79 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 better off with his depression, as if that had warded off the cancer, rather than heralding it. He and I had done the best we could. Fate had its own hand to play. His healing nightmares had done their work. I reviewed all the audiotapes of our meetings, I found no clue that his unconscious was reacting to his impending death. Not even in his dreams. Perhaps, as Jung noted, the unconscious does not take much notice of our death but rather reacts to our attitude towards dying. Still I wondered why this had happened just as his spirits were lifted, his life was joyful, and his marriage more happy than ever before? Was it possible that the depression had been the alarm signal of impending peril, and unconsciously he had sought me out to help him die? I thought perhaps that was the case. What I could do for most of the veterans I saw was to give them a handle on their dreams and terror, to convey an attitude that there was meaning to their suffering and sacrifice. Even if the situation was not SO hopeful after all these years, there was hope. It goes almost without saying that my work with these men was often painful to me. Many times I asked myself why I had taken it on, or more correctly, why it had taken me on. At times I experienced war nightmares and dreams of combat. Then I knew that the suffering of the men was getting to me, and I would take a few days off from working with them. This is one of my dreams: I see the silhouette of a large aircraft carrier off the shore of Vietnam. It was a dark night, and I could just make out the outline of things. Then I am on the deck. Suddenly all over the deck I see muzzle fire of revolvers and rifles. I am running to avoid being shot, but the firing seems haphazard and I am not really in any danger. I am astonished that while men were shooting every which way, no one was getting hit. At that point it dawned on me that these were all security officers, naval intelligence, CIA, and FBI, and that they were trying to kill an enemy somewhere on the ship. Then the shooting stops, and a naval intelligence officer tells me that the man has escaped off the ship, which was not tied up at a Vietnam pier. What does that dream mean? How was it trying to help me? What was all this shooting about? Surely it was a dream of the shadow, the whole image of the dream was shadow. And the dark forces that were holding out escaped, as is always the case with the shadow. You cannot kill the shadow. It always survives or is recreated. I knew that. Here on the ocean of the unconscious, close by Vietnam, all of the intelligence powers of America were trying in vain to kill the shadow. And so it became obvious to me that even the most intense concentration of intelligence of all the thinking powers could not cope with the enemy I was trying to find. In short, I had to reach my subject from a feeling more than NAM VET Newsletter Page 80 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 a factual approach to the American shadow. Perhaps this is best explained in the final lines from "King Lear:" The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say. The oldest hath borne most; we that are young Shall never see so much, nor live so long. [3] And so it is important to point out that the most stressful dreams the veterans had were not of their own danger -- of being shot, maimed, or killed -- but of seeing others, particularly their buddies, and next the children, and then women, being killed and slaughtered. George's dream: "We get into this village about six miles north of Da Nang. A bunch of little children are running towards us. Our captain yells, 'FIRE!' When we fire, they explode. they were loaded with grenades. They were booby-trapped. We really blew them away. They just blew to pieces." Children were often killed because they were armed or booby-trapped. George said, "That's what's shattering my nerves." We all know about My Lai and atrocities involving shooting children in cold blood, but do we know about grenades killing booby-trapped babies and the shooting of armed or booby-trapped children and civilians? These occurred often enough so that the men involved, as well as those who heard stories from buddies, and who became psychological casualties, carried a heavy burden of guilt and a great sadness. Wilson, a marine sergeant who spent two years in Nam, told me this nightmare, which recurred once or twice every week: "There is a big flash and everybody is hurting and crying, 'MEDIC! MEDIC!' Then everyone is kinda lying there, hearing the helicopters come in. I see an army lieutenant walking across the field with no foot. It was blown off. I hear him getting on board the damn helicopter, dragging the bone across the steel deck. I'm being medevaced in that helicopter. DAMN! It hurts to look at it. He doesn't even know what is happening. I wake up sweating, and say, 'Oh, shit! That happened all over again.' I get a real bad headache then. I just lie there. I feel like something is coming apart at the seams. I lie there, trying to relax. Waiting for the sun to come up. I can't sleep." Now a story that demonstrates the soldier's identification with his dead buddy and his survivor's guilt. And that touches the heart of my paper -- death and compassion. Mario, a tall, brooding marine sergeant, was sent home to escort the body of a buddy who had been his close friend since childhood. Mario said to me: NAM VET Newsletter Page 81 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 "I came back to stand in the funeral with two other marines as honor guard. My buddy's wife came up to me and said, 'Why did you let him die?' I just flipped out there. I took off out of the funeral home, and for a long time I held that guilt within me. I wasn't sure if it was my fault or not. Maybe she just needed someone to blame it on. When I went back to Vietnam, I went back to be killed. I really didn't want to go back home at all. Now I have a nightmare about how it actually happened." Mario's dream: "My buddy gets hit. I am close enough to reach him but I can't do anything. He is dying. The right side of his head is totally gone. It looks like hamburger, and the other side is a mess. I don't know what hit my buddy, but for some ungodly reason he is still alive. I hold him between my legs and he bleeds to death." THAT is the psychological, social, and physical reality of death. THAT is the story of bravery and selflessness of the hero who became the American anti-hero. THAT is what the conflagration of war does to men and women. THAT is the primitive basis of the pain that comes when people are slaughtered and maimed and butchered, when there are no words to articulate what happened....and no one wants to hear them anyway. And it comes relentlessly in the dream, in the black of night. "To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub; For in that sleep of death what dreams may come...." [4] Until only a few years ago, Americans had turned their backs on the Vietnam veteran. Since symbolically our shadow is at our back, the metaphor is apt. But it is changing, and at long last understanding of the Vietnam veteran becomes possible. Yet we Americans have not yet faced our shadow, and we project our evil. We are still caught in the American myth of the hero and the hubris that always attends the hero motif. The hero myth is also the myth of invulnerability expressed in the good-bad guy westerns and the shoot-out between the sheriff and the lawbreaker. As in Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, unleashing the powers of good and evil to go their separate ways is a fatal mistake. The integration of both good and evil is the way to heal the nightmare. That is what the transpersonal psyche is trying to do in dreams of war. And without mourning and grief worked though, the inner shadows continue to torment us all. "He that lacks a time to mourn, lacks a time to mend. Eternity mourns that. 'Tis an ill cure NAM VET Newsletter Page 82 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 For life's worst ills, to have not time to feel them. Where sorrow's held intrusive and turned out, There wisdom will not enter, nor true power. Nor ought that dignifies humanity." [5] The characteristic war nightmare, as I have said, is recalled as precisely as the real event. It is perceived as the reality. At first the reality of the trauma images in these dreams led me to think that they were something like the substance of what nightmares are made, rather than ordinary dreams. And in the end, it might be that these are indeed the archetypal dreams of war. As expressions of circumstances to which human beings are subject and in which the reality image itself is the most powerful expression of the feeling involved, they have no basis for metaphorical transformation. And there is no antecedent human resource or experience that can mollify the intensity of the images. Such archetypal dreams are both symbol and metaphor inherent in the original image, which is frozen in time and place. I have classified the war dreams into three categories. The first is the characteristic war (trauma) dream, in which the dream is reported to be a replication of the actual trauma, EXACTLY as it happened. This represents 53% of the dreams told to me. The second group of dreams are the VARIABLE dreams, which portray the exact trauma but elaborated with sequences that did not happen but which might conceivably have happened. Such dreams might include images of the here-and-now and life experiences from the past. They constitute 21% of the dreams. The third group of dreams are like ordinary hallucinatory nightmares and constitute 26% of the total dream sample of 359 war dreams. [6] All these men suffered because they were caught in a tragic situation. Each one is innocent, in the sense that what happened to him was far greater than anything he had done to provoke it. They are like the mountaineer (in Northrup Frye's image) whose shout brings down an avalanche. [7] He is guilty in the sense that he lives in a world where injustices are an inescapable part of existence. I am referring to the collective guilt as personified in the shadow of the hero -- the anti-hero. It is well known that most veterans came back home and made successful re-entries into society. For vast numbers of Vietnam veterans, the experience in Vietnam was a positive one. While most of the men I saw felt positive about the closeness, tightness, even brotherhood among the combat veterans, the war still raged. Some of the dreams of veterans are allegorically prophetic. A Texas veteran dreams he is on a street in Dallas: "I am trying to warn people that another war is coming. People are laughing at me. I yell, 'Hey, there's a war going to happen! You'd better take cover and get off the street!' but the people laugh at me. They wouldn't listen to me. I am going to NAM VET Newsletter Page 83 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 secure a position by chopper, but the helicopters fly off and leave me there. I wake up angry and afraid. When the choppers leave, I have lost my last link. Without it, I am not part of the unit anymore." In our world today, too much evil is done and too little is said about it. There is no shortcut to facing the depth of the impact of war on the human psyche, and denial wears off. "There is no pill called salvation," says the Mayo Clinic psychiatrist Howard Rome. No pill will cure the wounded psyche of the warrior. Novalis said, "Whatever the spirit that calls, a kindred spirit will answer." This is the way to help the wounded warrior. We who try to help these men must realize that we ourselves are wounded healers. Once, long ago, when I was sitting in the Stanford University Chapel during other troubling times, these words came into my mind: "Things are better than they are." Many times since, these words have come when I needed them most. I hope they are the words of the human psyche speaking through me, not by me, to you. NOTES: [1] William Broyles, "Peace Be With You," Reader's Digest (March 1982). [2] W.H. Auden and Louis Kronenberger, eds., The Viking Book of Aphorisms (New York: Viking Press, 1962), pg 90. [3] Shakespeare, "King Lear," V.iii. [4] Shakespeare, "Hamlet," III.i. [5] Sir Henry Taylor, "Philip van Artvelde (1839)", part I, act I, scene V. [6] The format and motif of war dreams and their classification are reported in a paper: Harry A. Wilmer, "Combat Nightmares: Towards a Therapy of Violence," Spring (1987), in press. [7] Northrup Frye, Anatomy of Criticism: Four Essays (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1973), pg 41. HARRY A. WILMER was the founder, director, and president of the Institute for the Humanities at Salado and professor of psychiatry at the University of Texas Health Science Center in San Antonio. Awarded a Guggenheim Fellowship in 1969, Wilmer has written five books and [more than 150] medical articles. While on active duty NAM VET Newsletter Page 84 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 in the US Navy in the 1950s he worked with Korean War veterans. His work with the nightmares and post-trauma stress of Vietnam veterans at the Audie Murphy Hospital in San Antonio is reported in his book, DREAMS OF VIETNAM. ----- Source: UNWINDING THE VIETNAM WAR: FROM WAR INTO PEACE. Reese Williams, Editor. Seattle, Washington: The Real Comet Press, 1987. Pages 68-82. | | |____====________ ||__________}____)==================|) =============---------------------===_____ /| | | | |\\ \________|__________|_________|_________|/ \\(O)___(O)___(O)___(O)___(O)___(O)// NAM VET Newsletter Page 85 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 ================================================================== I n - T o u c h - N e w S e r v i c e ! ! ! ================================================================== In-Touch. What is it ??? Input by: Ray "Frenchy" Moreau NAM VETs IN-TOUCH Section Editor Herndon Byte eXchange - Herndon, VA (703) 471-8010 ================================================================= |+++++++++++++++++++++++++ IN TOUCH ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++| | There are some 43 million people in the United States whose | | lives were directly and irrevocably touched by the Vietnam | | War. | | | | Almost four million people served in Vietnam -- the longest, | | and perhaps most difficult, war in our history. More than a | | quarter of a million were seriously wounded. 58,175 are dead | | or missing. | | | | Each of those who returned recognizes the true cost of war. | | But so too do the families and friends, wives and lovers of | | those listed on the Wall. They too paid a tremendous price, | | not always recognized... many still do. | | | | Though twenty years have passed, it seems that is the period | | people have needed to get the distance necessary to begin to | | address the unresolved, deeply personal issues that have | | been haunting them since the war. Perhaps that is a measure | | of the pain. | | | | But, the "healing of a nation" that was intended by the | | building of the Memorial, has begun. | | | | In the office of the Friends of the Vietnam Veterans | | Memorial, we hear them on the other end of the phone on | | any given day, and far into the night, they call from all | | corners of the country. | | | | "If only I could find out..." | | "I need to find his family so I can keep my promise..." | | "I just want to talk to someone who was with him... " | | "Please, can you help...?" | | | | At the Wall, we find them every day. Veterans who have not | | spoken of their experiences even to their most intimate | | family members are now beginning, tentatively, to seek a | | responsive ear. | | | | Brothers and sisters, parents and even wives who were simply | | never allowed full expression of their grief because of the | | fierce pressures of the time, are now coming forward, | | looking for someone who can help with their healing. | | | | We hear from children, now 15 - 25 years old, who are | | searching for bits and pieces of information they can | | assemble to help fill that empty place in their lives that | NAM VET Newsletter Page 86 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 | is the father they never knew well, if at all. And they want | | to talk to each other, to share their special needs and the | | unique experience of growing up with a father on the Wall. | | They understand each other all too well. | | | | Millions of Americans need to meet and talk because of the | | Wall, and only the Friends can help them. | | | | Initial discussions with many other national organizations | | whose work brings them into contact with Vietnam veterans | | and their loved ones have attested to the need for IN TOUCH | | and their willingness to help. | | | | Simply put, the Friends will draw on its special work at the | | Memorial, its acquired and available data bases and | | programs designed and integrated by Electronic Data Systems | | (EDS), and the commitment and concern of its volunteers to | | place people with a common association to a name on the Wall | | to be in voluntary communication with each other. | | | | From there, we will let human nature take its good course. | | And let the healing begin. | | | | The starting point for the data base will be the more than | | twenty thousand names of people who have requested name | | rubbings from our volunteers in Washington. Each will be | | contacted and given the opportunity to participate by being | | listed in the IN TOUCH central data base file. | | | | Confidentiality is the keyword to cooperation and IN TOUCH | | will respect the integrity of all lists and records. Lists | | will be unavailable for public use and will not be | | distributed for any commercial purpose. | | | | By its nature, IN TOUCH must reach far beyond the veterans | | community in order to be successful. With professional | | guidance, the Friends will develop a program of on-going | | articles and other coverage in major media markets, high- | | lighting the personal experiences of people as they are put | | "in touch." The International Vietnam Veterans Echo | | Conference via the Herndon Byte eXchange 1:109/316 node as | | the enter point for gathering and disseminating information | | will be used. Aside from bringing the program into public | | awareness, these articles and stories will serve as a val- | | uable tool for public education on a wealth of matters | | relating to the Vietnam era. | | | | As a preliminary test of the IN TOUCH project, the Friends | | has implemented a pilot project to test the design and | | demands of such a program. Several hundred requests with | | full background information have been entered into a system | | designed to match requestor data with the existing Memorial | | data. Even with such a small sample, limited data and a | | fairly unsophisticated cross-indexing system, matches have | | been made and IN TOUCH has produced its first real | | connections. The results have been as profoundly moving for | | the participants as expected. And as gratifying for the | | Friends. | | | NAM VET Newsletter Page 87 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 | But it was clear that the information management system and | | the supporting hardware system would have to be more power- | | ful and more complex in order to handle thousands, perhaps | | hundreds of thousands, of requests. Confidentiality of the | | system and information must be paramount. | | | | With well over 2,000 Vietnam veterans, Electronic Data | | Systems (EDS) became involved and has been generous in its | | assistance with designing the data management systems which | | will be critical to a successful program. The Friends have | | reached a three-year working agreement with EDS which | | promises continuity and maximum potential for success in | | building an information bank that can truly help people in | | their search for others who knew a loved one. | | | | The Friends are delighted that Bob Hope has agreed to make | | a public service announcement which we can use on radio and | | television to help get the word out to the public on the | | availability of the service. | | | | The Friends are also pleased to note that Hewlett Packard, | | Zenith Data Systems, Borland International, FASTCOMM | | Communications Corporation and the First National Bank of | | Chicago have all contributed computer equipment, computer | | software, and office equipment to the project, so they are | | beginning to feel fully functional. | | | | The Friends hear from people who have long been living with | | the pain of loss and looking for a way to heal. For | | instance, the Friends recently received a letter from a | | woman who wrote: | | | | Dear Friends: | | For quite some time I have been searching for a | | way to know my brother. It seems hopeless at times. | | I was 12 when he was killed... I had waited for the | | day he would come back to us. He never did. A part | | of me will always be 12 and continue to wait. | | Thank you for giving me hope that there may be | | a way to find him and bring him home to my heart..." | | | | + + + | | | | The Friends of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial | | Electronic Data Systems | | Herndon Byte eXchange TCOMMnet BBS 1:109/316 | | | |+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++| NAM VET Newsletter Page 88 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 Input by: Ray "Frenchy" Moreau NAM VETs IN-TOUCH Section Editor Herndon Byte eXchange - Herndon, VA (703) 471-8010 THIS FORM REQUIRES SIGNATURE FOR CONFIDENTIALITY RELEASE PLEASE READ BELOW ------------------------------------------------------------------ I wish to be IN TOUCH with (Please circle and/or comment) Family, Friends and/or Fellow Veterans of the following: __________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________ ----------- PERSON WHO DID NOT COME BACK FROM VIETNAM ------------ First Name_____________ Middle Name___________ Last Name__________ Relationship to You and/or Reason for Request (Answer as fully as possible)_____________________________________ __________________________________________________________________ ================================================================== -------- ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT HIM/HER - IF KNOWN --------- Rank_______ Birth Date ______________ Soc. Sec. # ________________ Tour Date of Birth _______________ Where Buried __________________ Branch of Service: AR__ NA__ AF__ MC__ CG__ RC__ CIV__ (Fill in his/her equivalent unit designations in the spaces below) Division ____________ Brigade ___________ Battalion ______________ Regiment ____________ Company ___________ Ship ___________________ Battles:__________________________________________________________ Locations:________________________________________________________ Nicknames:________________________________________________________ Hometown (while in Nam): ____________________ Home State: ________ ================================================================== ---------------------- INFORMATION ABOUT YOU --------------------- Title___ First Name ____________ Middle/Maiden Name _____________ Last Name ____________________ Address___________________________________________________________ City __________________________________ State ____ Zip: _____-____ Your Home Phone ( ) ____________ Work Phone: ( ) ____________ ---------------- IF YOU ARE A VIETNAM-ERA VETERAN ---------------- Tour date _______________________________ Rank __________________ Branch of Service: AR__ NA __ AF __ MC __ CG __ RC __ CIV __ Fill in your equivalent unit designations in the spaces below Division: __________ Brigade: ___________ Battalion: ___________ Regiment: __________ Company: ___________ Ship: ________________ Battles: _________________________________________________________ Locations: _______________________________________________________ Nicknames: _______________________________________________________ Hometown (when in VN) _______________________ Home State: ________ Comments: ________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT _____ I give permission to the Friends of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial to release my name, address, phone number and relationship to other participants in the IN TOUCH project NAM VET Newsletter Page 89 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 seeking information on the individual above (strike out phone number if you do not want it released). OR _____ I would like to have the names, addresses, and phone numbers of persons who knew my friend or relative, but prefer NOT to have my name, address, and phone number released. I hereby release the Friends of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial from any and all liability that may arise from the operation of the IN TOUCH project. Signature ____________________________________ Date _____________ NOTE: Do not electronically transmit this form, instead mail to: Friends of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial 1350 Connecticut Ave., N.W. Suite 300 Washington, DC 20036 ____________ ======= _________________/|_____... | | " === |_______________| |-----::: |._ - " ) |_|___| / / |___| /_/ NAM VET Newsletter Page 90 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 ================================================================== C o n c e n t r a t e d S e r v i c e ================================================================== NamVet/IVVEC Concentrated Service Report To keep you abreast of HOW NamVet/IVVEC Concentrated Service is doing, we'll try to run a report every month of the status of efforts currently underway and, if appropriate, apprise you of positive or negative results. -- Letter dated 1/1/90 to Massachusetts' DAV Commander, with text-file copy in IVVEC: To date: NO response - VERBAL or WRITTEN -- Copy of above letter dated 1/1/90 to DAV National Commander, with text-file copy in IVVEC: To date: NO response - VERBAL or WRITTEN -- Letter dated 1/13/90 to U.S. Congressman Silvio O. Conte, with text-file copy in IVVEC was received 3/26/90. Flurry of activity! -- Letter(s) dated 1/21/90 to Commissioners and Directors of Veterans Affairs in 50 states and 2 Territories, with text- file copy in IVVEC: To date: 24 positive and helpful responses w/literature; 7 letters returned ADDRESSEE NOT HERE UNABLE TO FORWARD We are now beginning to receive newsletters produced by the Veterans Departments of a few states! I will keep you posted here and in the VIETNAM_VETS echo as to continuing developments on any of the above issues. Yours, in Service to America ... and my fellow man In kindness, honesty, and good faith G. Joseph Peck Moderator, VIETNAM_VETERANS INTERNATIONAL ECHO Managing Editor, NAMVET SysOp - VETLINK #1 President, BERKSHIRE VETERANS' CENTER, INC. __________ \ IVVEC \ _____) SERVICE )_____ _________(____(________(______(@) ) ) / O O O O O O O O O/_/| /<> O O O O O O O O O/ | /MM O O O O O O O MM/ | / ___________ / . /O (___________) O O/. (====================( NAM VET Newsletter Page 91 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 ================================================================== I V V E C & N a m V e t - W H E R E ? ================================================================== The NAM VET Roll Call The following are the current locations where the NamVet newsletter and Annual editions are currently sent and, as I understand it, available for Bark/Wazoo File Requests. FidoNet & AlterNet Nodes: ------------------------ Scott McKnight 1:389/2001 Blytheville, Arkansas Todd Looney 1:143/27 San Jose, California Mike Nelson 1:125/20 Burlingame, California Greg Peters 1:103/232 La Mirada, California Sam Saulys 1:141/488 Branford, Connecticut John McCorkle 1:369/10 Fort Lauderdale, Florida Charles Harper 1:370/10 West Athens, Georgia Gene Clayton 1:161/414 Kauai, Hawaii Gordon Kaough 1:380/5 Lake Charles, LA Mort Sternheim 1:321/109 Amherst, Massachusetts G. Joseph Peck 1:321/203 Pittsfield, Massachusetts Pete Farias 1:321/210 Pittsfield, Massachusetts Vern Pero 1:321/212 Dalton, Massachusetts Jim Henthorn 1:261/1044 Baltimore, Maryland Bob Rudolph 1:261/0 Reisterstown, Maryland Wayne Parrish 1:308/20 Alamogordo, New Mexico Chuck Haynes 1:308/60 Alamogordo, New Mexico Mike Connealy 1:305/101 Las Cruces, New Mexico Kathleen Kelly 1:1033/0 Staten Island, New York Tom Mickus 1:480/114 Toronto, Ontario, Canada Bob Currie 1:105/204 Milwaukie, Oregon Luis Salazar 1:367/16 San Juan, P.R. Jerry Hindle 7:48/0 Stratford Heights, Tennessee Aaron Schmiedel 1:124/4106 Dallas, Texas Carrie Brown 1:130/10 Fort Worth, Texas Rick Edwards 1:106/113 Houston, Texas Bob Davis 1:106/116 Houston, Texas Art Fellner 1:106/437 Missouri City, Texas Ray Moreau 1:109/316 Herndon, Virginia Jim Barth 1:350/21 Brownsville, Washington Ralph Sims 1:350/341 Grapeview, Washington Other Nets: ---------- Martin Kroll MetroLink Chatsworth, GA Lefty Frizzell RelayNet Houston, Texas Ed Lucas QuickLink Houston, Texas Edward Green Shop Qbbs Exeter, NH (603)778-1698 Areas not covered: If *-YOUR-* BBS is in any of the areas listed below *-AND-* you have the NAM VET available for File Requests, please let us know your BBS (and SysOp) Name, its net/node number (if any), and its telephone number so that we might be able to direct a user in *- YOUR-* area to you. NAM VET Newsletter Page 92 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - Australian Continent - All European Continent - All Alabama Alaska Arizona Calgary, Canada Colorada Delaware Idaho Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky Maine Minnesota Wisconsin Mississippi Missouri Connecticut Montana Nebraska New Jersey Nevada North Carolina North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma Pennsylvania South Carolina South Dakota Utah Vancouver, B.C Vermonts Washington, D.C. West Virginia Winnipeg, Canada Wyoming I'm going to be working on this list in an attempt to update it. If any of you know of an error, please address a message to me in the IVVEC echo and let me know. If you know of a system not listed above, also let me know, it'll save me some time and make for a more accurate list. Thanks for your help... Ciao for Niao - Todd - NamVet's Managing Editor NAM VET Newsletter Page 93 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 International Vietnam Veterans EchoConference Nodelist The following list of bulletin board systems throughout the United States and Canada host the International Vietnam Veterans' EchoConference (IVVEC). If you are a host system and do not find your name on this list, please contact Todd Looney, NAM VET's Managing Editor, Vietnam Veterans' Valhalla, 1:143/27, (408) 298-2740 300/1200/2400 baud. If you see a system in this list which is not currently hosting the IVVEC, please drop me a note in either IVVEC or by E-mail to the Vietnam Veterans' Valhalla. Net/Node Name, City Telephone No Baud ========= ================================= ============== == 7:520/563 3 EEE's BBS, Clifton NJ Ed Edell 1-201-340-3531 96 107/563 EEE's BBS Clifton NJ Ed Edell 1-201-340-3531 96 141/488 Alice's Restaurant Branford CT 1-203-488-1115 24 141/250 Wilton Woods Wilton, CT 1-203-762-8481 96 124/201 Hardwired Dallas, TX 1-204-931-2987 24 344/117 LSO QuickBBS, Everett WA 1-206-334-3088 96 344/9 The Precedent, Everett WA 1-206-355-1295 ? 138/35 US HDS Human Service Seattle, WA 1-206-442-8127 24 343/26 AFMINS BBS 1-206-488-4309 96 343/111 Lessor Puget TB Edmonds, WA 1-206-742-8067 24 138/52 Burrell's Ballpark Tacoma, WA 1-206-752-4672 24 138/4 PTC Net Mount Vernon, WA 1-206-757-5248 24 138/49 The Cohort Puyallup, WA 1-206-848-2646 96 138/101 Story Board Puyallup, WA 1-206-848-5317 96 138/3 Reg17 ADVISOR EMERITUS Puyallup WA 1-206-848-9232 24 200/200 CSULB Long Beach, CA 1-213-494-8737 12 200/100 The Board Room Belmont Shores CA 1-213-498-6425 24 124/117 NCC-1701 Node 1 Dallas, TX 1-214-240-8821 24 124/106 CHAI Way II Dallas, TX 1-214-250-3323 96 136/200 The Chai Way II Austin, TX 1-214-358-3738 24 124/4210 Hardwired Dallas TX 1-214-437-4075 96 124/110 Flying Dutchman Dallas, TX 1-214-642-3436 96 124/14 Chrysalis Dallas, TX 1-214-985-9054 24 157/501 The PC-Key BBS Girard OH 1-216-545-9205 24 157/1 Auer Register Cleveland, OH 1-216-883-0578 24 227/1 Michiana TechLine Mishawaka, IN 1-219-258-0286 96 227/150 The SX Project Whiting IN 1-219-659-2711 24 13/33 Avi-Technic Lutherville, MD 1-301-252-0717 96 109/648 Falcon's Rock College Park, MD 1-301-345-7459 24 261/1004 The PainFrame 1-301-488-7461 ? 13/30 The Futurists BBS Perry Hall, MD 1-301-529-0716 96 109/717 Tin Badge BBS Silver Spring, MD 1-301-589-2016 12 109/722 Ronnie's Roadies, Camp Springs MD 1-301-736-0135 12 261/628 Liberty Hall Reisterstown, MD 1-301-833-8933 24 261/1044 Firestation BBS, Baltimore, MD 1-301-866-8613 24 261/1007 FINAL FRONTIER 1-301-947-4404 ? 104/51 P2 B2 South Denver, CO 1-303-329-3337 24 104/28 Pinecliff BBS Boulder, CO 1-303-444-7073 24 128/16 Firenet Leader Colorado Springs CO 1-303-591-9600 24 104/739 The Phoenix Parker, CO 1-303-841-9570 24 135/35 The Sober Way Out BBS Miami, FL 1-305-445-6917 24 135/27 Bitsy's Place Miami Beach FL 1-305-865-0495 96 232/4 Runways End OPUS Peoria, IL 1-309-691-5416 96 115/20 North Shore BBS Evanston, IL 1-312-491-2611 24 NAM VET Newsletter Page 94 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 115/529 Elk Grove Repeater Elk Grv Vlg IL 1-312-529-1586 24 115/761 ICS/TRIX 1 OPUS Chicago, IL 1-312-761-7887 24 11/202 SouthSide BBS Indianapolis, IN 1-317-882-9330 12 380/5 Duffy's Tavern Recovery Board 1-318-436-2992 96 285/622 Friend's BBS Omaha, NE Joan Renne 1-402-896-2669 24 370/5 Athens Forum Athens, GA 1-404-546-7857 96 370/11 Classic City Vet's Conf, Athens, GA1-404-548-0130 ? 370/10 Classic Quick Echo, Athens, GA 1-404-548-0726 24 128/13 COSUG-Colorado's User Clrdo Spg CO 1-719-633-4563 24 385/6 Bink's Barn Lawton, OK 1-405-357-2473 24 385/4 Info-Net Lawton, OK 1-405-357-6181 24 147/14 Dark Star TBBS Oklahoma City, OK 1-405-691-0863 96 363/10 Midas Touch Orlando, FL 1-407-648-1133 24 363/9 MaMaB--Mark's Bedroom, Orlanda, FL 1-407-894-0807 96 157/506 Beacon Hill OPUS Transfer, PA 1-412-962-9514 24 321/109 PIONEER VALLEY PCUG #1 Amherst, MA 1-413-256-1037 96 321/203 VETLink #1 Pittsfield, MA 1-413-443-6313 96 321/210 Berkshire_Estates Pittsfield, MA 1-413-499-1327 96 125/78 Living Sober BBS San Mateo, CA 1-415-342-2859 24 125/20 SeaHunt BBS, Burlington, CA 1-415-343-5904 96 143/27 VN Vets Valhalla, San Jose, CA 1-408-298-2740 24 161/208 G.A.D.M. Multi-User Hayward, CA 1-415-581-3019 24 125/31 Echo Coord San Francisco CA 1-415-621-5206 96 161/56 Nat'l Family Forum Freemont, CA 1-415-651-4147 24 161/1 Nerd's Nook Concord CA 1-415-672-2504 96 161/509 Enterprize Pinole, CA 1-415-758-1650 24 161/7 Mover Mouse BBS Fremont, CA 1-415-883-1644 24 11/700 FCAU IBM Net Toronto, ON 1-416-427-0682 96 148/120 Genetic Research Vat Toronto ON 1-416-480-0551 24 14/703 Telen-Quest BBS 1-417-882-5108 ? 19/43 McScott's BBS, Blytheville AR 1-502-532-6212 96 105/61 Shotgun OPUS Portland, OR 1-503-760-4521 24 105/16 Net 105 EchoMail Hub Portland, OR 1-503-761-3003 24 305/105 Desert Dolphin, Las Cruces, NM 1-505-523-2811 96 322/230 Denis's OPUS, Ayer, MA (Ft.Devins) 1-508-772-6373 ? 382/1 Crystal Palace Lake Travis, TX 1-512-339-8037 24 387/401 Comp-U-Gen II San Antonio TX 1-512-496-9373 24 387/601 NCOA Intl BBS San Antonio TX 1-512-653-0409 24 382/14 Corona Del Mar Rockport, TX 1-512-729-7026 96 110/20 EDS Data Dayton, OH 1-513-455-2431 24 221/156 Waterloo CBCS PUBLIC Waterloo, ON 1-519-746-5020 96 153/130 VETSTAR (Northwest) 1-602-462-8752 24 114/13 Corwin's Keep Tempe AZ 1-602-644-0179 24 132/101 BBS Source Archive Nashua, NH 1-603-888-8179 24 153/123 DAETECH Burnaby BC 1-604-420-2641 96 153/133 Hot Line Data Network Langley BC 1-604-533-0421 24 220/20 Old Frog's Almanac Nanaimo BC 1-604-758-3072 24 153/508 Ebenezer Christian BBS Mission BC 1-604-826-6607 96 108/50 The ZOO BBS Independence, KY 1-606-283-2040 24 108/105 Global Time Systems Cincinnati, OH 1-606-341-7910 24 108/90 DATANET Info System Erlanger KY 1-606-727-3638 24 150/803 Jersey Vertex Moorestown, NJ 1-609-869-0139 24 362/1 The Mines of Moria Chattanooga, TN 1-615-344-9601 24 362/501 Coconut Telegraph Chattanooga, TN 1-615-698-4858 24 10/215 Silver BBS San Diego, CA 1-619-226-4502 24 202/401 jabberWOCky Escondido CA 1-619-743-9935 24 109/639 The RENEX BBS Woodbridge, VA 1-703-494-8331 24 109/124 ZEPHYR National Capital Area 1-703-620-5418 96 109/604 ShanErin Alexandria, VA 1-703-941-8291 24 NAM VET Newsletter Page 95 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 379/201 Metro Link Charlotte, NC 1-704-553-9534 96 125/7 Survival Forum Santa Rosa, CA 1-707-545-0746 96 125/12 The Grape Vine Santa Rosa, CA 1-707-546-4938 24 161/502 Wildcat Benicia CA 1-707-746-5820 24 106/132 Fast BBS OPUS Katy, TX 1-713-392-0093 24 106/114 The Fireside Houston, TX 1-713-496-6319 24 106/357 TMBBS Houston, TX 1-713-497-5433 24 106/108 Stormy Weather I Houston, TX 1-713-644-4345 96 106/113 The Opus Network Houston, TX 1-713-780-4153 24 106/386 Info Center Exchange Houston TX 1-713-872-4429 24 106/111 Shutterbug's OPUS Houston, TX 1-713-880-4329 24 103/507 Philosopher's Log Anaheim CA 1-714-535-1258 96 103/501 Mount Silverthorn Tustin, CA 1-714-544-3369 24 7:441/1 Lord Frog Of Swamp 1-715-362-3895 ? 13/1033 NY Transfer Staten Island, NY 1-718-448-2358 24 12/7 HPCUA Honolulu HI 1-808-422-8406 96 12/1 Aura Net Honolulu, HI 1-808-533-0190 24 130/5 CUSSNET UTA Arlington, TX 1-817-273-3966 24 366/38 Jolly Green Giant Shalimar, FL 1-904-651-3875 96 19/5 Micro Application El Paso TX 1-915-594-9738 24 381/201 Pro Link San Angelo, TX 1-915-944-2952 24 161/943 Eagle's Nest Sacramento, CA 1-916-334-2822 96 161/39 Nightline Mather AFB, CA 1-916-362-1755 24 161/11 The Byte Boutique Sacramento CA 1-916-483-8032 24 161/5 River City II OPUS Sacramento, CA 1-916-646-9678 96 161/34 Now and Zen OPUS Fair Oaks CA 1-916-962-1952 96 151/601 VMC-BBS Winston-Salem NC 1-919-744-0883 24 151/100 NC Central Raleigh, NC 1-919-851-8460 96 151/1000 REDCON Raleigh, NC 1-919-859-3353 96 632/350 Yarra Valley BBS Melbourne AU 61-3-848-331 12 NAM VET Newsletter Page 96 Volume 4, Number 6 June 17, 1990 Some Gave ALL ... Some Still Give!!! O O O SOME GAVE ALL ... ________O__________________________________O______________ ! O O ! ! pow mia pow mia - BRING THEM HOME NOW! - pow mia pow mia ! ! 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