On Mon, 25 Apr 1994 15:36:57 WET Michael Everson said: >On Mon, 25 Apr 1994 16:03:18 +0200 Konstantin Woebking said: > >>Thus I'd suggest that we'd stick to the following system: >>* native speaker >>=* near native speaker's competence >>D learner >>DD beginner >> >>But the last word to the listowner! >>I think it would be really helpful to use this system! > >On GAELIC-L, [F] is used for Foghlaimeoir, it seems to me that >[D] and [DD] makes good sense. I wouldn't personally like to ask >"native speakers" to identify themselves, it seems rather artificial. >(This is difficult for some learners to appreciate, but many "native >speakers" of minority languages feel uncomfortable about identifying >themselves as objects of linguistic scrutiny. Those who teach or >work for the language particularly often don't feel this way, but >some other speakers do.) > >A note on WELSH-L language policy: > >With regard to the recent discussion as to "Anglophobia" on this list, >may I respectfully request that it stop. I am a native speaker of >English and have a deep love for my language. This list permits the >use of English; there are other language-specific lists, such as >SWAHILI-L@MACC.WISC.EDU and CAUSERIE@UQUEBEC.CA, which do not. >Nevertheless, the internet is filled with lists in which English >is the medium of discussion, and WELSH-L and GAELIC-L are two of >the lists which exist to support languages _other_ than English. > >Occasionally (not only just recently), a high volume of discussion >in English starts up; I endeavoured, as I have before, to encourage >that such discussion continue in Welsh. (Diolch i bawb yr oedd wedi >ysgrifennu yn Gymraeg wedi hwn.) > >WELSH-L is unmoderated, which means that our readers have only >themselves to censor before posting a message to 300 other subscribers. >If you are learning Welsh, try to write some. If you "want to learn >Welsh someday", go and buy a copy of Teach Yourself Welsh and sit >down and start doing some! This book is excellent, cheap, easily >available, and a good start. If you aren't interested in seriously >applying yourself to learning and using the Welsh language, and >respecting the rather simple rules we have here, perhaps a list such >as CELTIC-L@IRLEARN.UCD.IE would serve your needs better. > >If you wish to argue with me, or with Briony, WELSH-L's other >co-owner, regarding this, please do so by writing directly to us >about your concerns, and do not send it directly to WELSH-L. >_Discussion_in_English_of_this_thread_stops_here._ Failure to comply >with this will get you unsubscribed. My address is >everson@irlearn.ucd.ie and Briony's is briony@cstr.ed.ac.uk. > >Rydw i'n gobeithio yr ydy pawb i chi'n hapus gan y polisi syml hwn. >Dydw i ddim yn eisiau chwarae sirydd yma, a rydw i'n credu nac ydy >llawer o bobl gan Saesneg yn unig yn deall, beth ydy problem yr >ieithiau bach gan erdych ar Saesneg. > >Spi am eus ivez hag a zo an tra-man+ fin ar istor breman+. > >Michael Everson [D] >Co-owner, WELSH-L@IRLEARN.UCD.IE DA IAWN, DA IAWN, ETC!!! :-D -----------------------------------------------------------;-) Henry Leperlier 29 Ascal na Carraige, Dun Laoghaire, Co.Atha Cliath, Eire/Ireland Phone & Fax (on demand) : +353 1 284 2080 Puigurtailigit! (Do not forget! in Inuktitut)