Mendele: Yiddish literature and language ______________________________________________________ Contents of Vol. 1 no. 86 October 10, 1991 1) Folk etymologies (Mikhl Herzog) 2) Birnbaum on the etymologies of _daven_ (Noyekh Miller 1)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Oct 91 21:37 EDT From: ZOGUR@CUVMB.BITNET Subject: RE: Mendele Vol 1.84 Bob Goldberg: Don't believe everything the tell you! "Etymologizing" is a favorite sport but mustn't be taken too seriously. German "heirat" has nothing too do with Hebrew "harey at"; no more so than "British" is derived from "brit" and "ish" (making the British some of the lost tribes). Nor is "davnen" derived from "daF"nen (because you turn the pages (daf) while you davn. 2)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Thur, 10 Oct 91 From: nmiller@trincc Subject: Daven The origins of _daven_ and _pareve_ are once again hot items. As they will be again next year and the year after. For those who aren't already familiar with it, I thought I might summarize very briefly a paper by the revered Solomon A. Birnbaum, one of the vatikim of Yiddish studies, and written at the age of 94. It's from _Origins of the Yiddish Language: Winter Studies in Yiddish Volume 1_, ed. Dovid Katz, Oxford: Pergamon Press, 1987. The article is entitled "Two Methods", the second part of which deals with the etymology of _daven_. There are, according to Birnbaum, no fewer than 9 candidates. 1. _Dafnen_ (from turning pages (Heb. _daf_)). 2. Lithuanian _davana_ (gift) somehow linked with Heb. _minha_ which originally meant offering, gift. 3. English _dawn_. 4. Latin _devorere_. 5. Latin _divinus_ 6. Arabic _diwan_ (collection of poems). 7. Hebrew _d-ovinu (of our father). Of these seven, says Birnbaum, the etymologies "are so bizarre, absurd and phonologically impossible that it is superfluous to refute them". 8. Arabic _dawa_ which may have come into Yiddish via Turkish Jews. 9. MHG _doenen_ (sing, play, sound). These last two Birnbaum treats seriously and the dis- cussion is interesting. In the end, however, Birnbaum gives a zifts: "The problem of _davenen_ is still wait- ing to be solved". ______________________________________________________ End of Mendele Vol 1.86