Mendele: Yiddish literature and language
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Contents of Vol. 4.041
June 26, 1994

1) Introduction (Peter Kluehs)
2) Festival of Yiddish Music and Theater (Henry Mullish)
3) Name origins (Leah Zazulyer)
4) Re: Centre for yiddish and technologic newware (Howard Gershen)
5) Re: Centre for yiddish and technologic newware (Daniel-Moishe Sherman)
6) Re: Yiddish, German dialects (Yude Rozof)

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Date: Sat Jun 25 14:01:29 1994
From: pete@pko.rhein-main.de
Subject: Introduction

My name is Peter Kluehs and I live with my wife Lore (Tajbele) in
Wehrheim, a small town in the Taunus mountains near Frankfurt am Main. I
was accepted today to your list and I look forward to many interesting
contacts. I am 62 and as far as I know I have no jewish ancestors.
However, a grand-grand-grandfather of mine was called Nuernberger!?!?
Anyway, one of my many hobbies is studying languages. When I got hold of
Salcia Landmann's book JIDDISH, I wanted to learn as much as possible
about this language. There is practically no literature in Jiddish
available here, but I am listening every day to the Jiddish edizie of kol
israel from Jerusalem on short wave.

I started only a month ago on the Internet and I still have much to learn
about the intricacies of the net. So please have patience with me.

Schalom mit aich

Peter Kluehs

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Date: Sat Jun 25 21:20:46 1994
From: MULLISH@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU
Subject: Festival of Yiddish Music and Theater

This is to inform all those who might be interested that the annual
Yiddish Culture Festival will be held this year on Wednesday, July 6th,
at 6pm at the Damrosch Park, which is located at Lincoln Center. The
concert is sponsored by the Culture and Education Department of the
Workmen's Circle and admission is free. If the concert is only half as
good as the one they gave last year, you are in for a very special treat.

Unfortunately, I shall not be able to attend this year. I shall be in
Israel where I fully intend to attend the Yiddish concert on July 31st,
as described by Leybl Botwinick's recent posting to this list.
Incidentally, the Damrosch Park concert has a rain-date of July 27th.

Enjoy,

Henry Mullish

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Date: Sun Jun 26 10:46:50 1994
From: WATSON@UNO.CC.GENESEO.EDU
Subject: Name origins

A friend whose last name is Scott, has recently discovered the Yiddish
name was Zgutt.  (Zgoot?, Sgoot?)  Other than the obvious contractions
possible, does anyone have any light to shed on this name.  I don't know
her region of origin.

While I'm at it, interested in any feed back ( other than very helpful
comments originally received from M. Herzog a while ago) on my family
name: " Zazulyer." " Zazulya" is old fashioned word for cuckoo in Polish,
Ukranian, Latvian.  Family legend has it that an ancestor/woodsman could
imitate the bird in the forest preserve near Brest.  (vicinity
Shershev/Pruzany).  I also understand that the old French verb for
twittering like a bird is something like " gazoolier". This is another
saga of an original name grossly distorted by emigration
authorities...and rediscovered and used now by me.

Thanks,

Leah Zazulyer

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Date: Fri Jun 24 13:03:43 1994
From: howard@boxhill.com
Subject: Re: A proposal

Four questions about the proposal for the "Centre for YIDDISH and
Technologic Newware":

1. Who are the "many individuals and institutions around the world" who
   have been sent your missive, and have any of them agreed to be on a
   Board of Directors?

2. What is your proposed operating budget?

3. Have you obtained tax-exempt status?

4. Have you contacted the ISO committee(s) concerned with
   "internationalization" of software to put in your 2 shekels and make
   sure that Yiddish characters are included in the list of alphabets to
   form the basis of the new standard character coding that will replace
   ASCII? Because before you can even think about efficient storage of
   Yiddish media (especially print media) on electronic storage devices,
   you'll need an internationally-accepted "mapping" of characters to
   their representations in zeros and ones. The alternative is
   transliteration or very-large scanned images of text, and the former
   will defeat your purpose while the latter will defeat your budget.

Howard Gershen

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Date: Sun Jun 26 15:33:02 1994
From: dave@cai.lsuc.on.ca
Subject: Re: CENTRE FOR YIDDISH AND TECHNOLOGIC NEWWARE

Where are you proposing that this Centre be located?

David Sherman

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Date: Sun Jun 26 17:36:17 1994
From: jrosof@sas.upenn.edu
Subject: Re: Yiddish, German dialects

Letsns hot men geton iberredn di teme, velkhe enlekhkeytn farmogt yidish
beshutfes mit di daytshe dialektn.  Dos bayerishe daytsh hot spetsiel
getsoygn di interes fun di Mendelnikes.  Di onteylnemers hobn bamerkt dem
"a" shtots "ein" vos hersht in Bayern un andere tshikavesn funem land fun
Schloss Neuschwanstein un di Lipizaner Ferdn.  Eyn zeyer vikhtike
enlekhkeyt hob ikh ober nisht bamerkt in di "shpaltn" fun Mendele, khotsh
se ken zayn az ikh hob zi poshet nisht geleyent.

Mit a por yorn karik hob ikh geshribn a kleyne zman-arbet vegn farsheyden
daytshe dialektn.  Der dialekt fun Bayern un Estraykh hot gehat eyn
spetsyel oysergeveyntlekher kharekteristik: shtots tsu nitsn "Sie, Ihr=
Ir, ayer" vi di andere daytshn hobn di bayern genitst an eygener vort.
Vos genoy yene verter zenen geven gedenk ikh nisht akurat, ober zey
klingn 95% vi di yidishe verter "Ets, enker."

Yene yidishe verter hot men genitst in Tsentral Yidish biz gor shpet,
khotsh zey zenen untergegan mitn Ufkum fun der klal-shprakh.  Say vi say,
se lozt zikh hern di etsn un enkers adayem tsvishn farsheydene khsidishe
yidn.  Me treft zey oykhet amol in di poezye.  Se'dukht zikh ikh hob zey
tsum ershtn mol bagegnt inem Musterverk, Mesholim ba Yidn, efsher in a
lid fun Manger.  Ikh hob oykhet epes a gedekhenish az ikh hob geleyent
ikh veys nisht vu az ets, enk, zaats gezint, vekhadoyme geyt tsurik tsun
an alte indogermanisher dopelform.  Khotsh yener form iz haynt nelm
gevorn zenen mir geblibn mit ets un enk.

S'iz oykhet tshikave tsu bamerkn az in Goethe's Faust gefint men Ihr/Euer
=yid.Ir/ayer, khotsh inem hayntikn daytsh dos kert zayn Sie/Ihr. Heyst es
az yidish iz tsvey mol geblibn konservativer fun daysh, ershtns mit ets
un tsveytns mit ir. Fregt zikh a frage.  Yidish zol hobn, lefi di
lingvistishe mekoyrim genumen zayn form in Raynland oder "Loter." Veysn
veysn mir ale az yidish iz a tsunoyfshmelts fun tsendlike dialektn mit a
tepl eygnartikeyt dertsu.  Deriber se zol nisht zayn a surpriz vos yidish
farmogt azoy fil verter un aspektn fun bayrish.   Mir vilt zikh ober visn
velkhe spetsyel Raynlandishe aspektn gefinen zikh inem hayntikn yidish.
Oyb mir kenen azoyne aspektn nisht gefinen, iz efsher zol men gor nemen
trakhtn vegn di miglekhkeyt az der tsenter fun geboyrn vern fun der
yidisher shprakh ligt vayter af dorem fun Loter.

Nokh a kashe, efsher veyst Mikhl Herzog tsi ets oder enk hot men amol
gekent hern in der Lite? Oyb azoy tsi veyst emetser farvos zey zenen
dortn aropgegan?

Itst a bamerkung vegn Daytshn un Yidish.  Azoy vi ikh red beyde shprakhn
un bin amol geven a khoydesh in Daytshland mit etlekhe yorn tsurik, hob
ikh oykh geredt mit Daytshn a bisl vegn yidish.  Mir hot zikh gefilt az
di Daytshn viln nisht hern vegn yidish bederekh klal. Oder iz yidish
komish, oder iz es an anderer meshugener dialekt.  A sakh mol iz men
oykhet nisht zikher mit vos yidish teylt zikh fun ivritish. Mir dakht
zikh az di hoypt sibes farvos daytshn hobn nisht lib tsu redn vegn yidish
zenen tsvey: 1) Yidish klingt dialektish.  Zoln men redn vi a mentsh: rak
un bloyz Hochdeutsh. 2) s'iz nokh tsu paynlekh tsu shmuesn vegn yidish.
Bloyz mit fuftsik yor tsurik iz geven der Khurbn.  Der shmarts iz nokh
frish.  Di Daytshn viln gikher redn vegn dem "Wirtschaftswunder".  Afile
"Rechtsradikalismus" oder "Asylbewerber" zenen laykhtere inyonim tsum
iberredn.  Yidish iz tsu perzenlekh, tsu noent tsu daytshish un nokh
fremd.  S'iz nisht "gemuetlich."

Zaats mir ile gezint

Yude Rozof

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