Mendele: Yiddish literature and language ______________________________________________________ Contents of Vol. 4.144 October 19, 1994 1) Introduction (Allan Tanzman) 2) Dutsn/irtsn god (Dan Slobin) 3) Dutsn/irtsn god (Robert Fuhrmann) 4) Dutsn/irtsn god (Yude Rozof) 5) Dutsn/irtsn god (Stephen Schneiderman) 6) Workmen's Circle BBS (Stephen Dowling) 7) Zellig Bach (Kayle Goodman) 1)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 10:08:39 EDT From: atanzman@rr7.modicon.com Subject: Introduction My name is Allan Tanzman. I grew up in Long Island and after some wandering around I settled in the Boston Area. My grandparents spoke Yiddish but unfortunately my parents did not. As a child I enjoyed hearing Yiddish being spoken but all I ever learned was a couple of phrases. I was also taught in hebrew school that it was important to learn Hebrew, not Yiddish!! What a shame. I signed up to learn more about Yiddish. A special thanks to Harvey Spiro for telling me about Mendele. Allan Tanzman 2)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Oct 94 18:25:36 -0700 From: slobin@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Dutsn/irtsn god In the Netherlands, both Catholics and Protestants address god in the archaic polite form _gij_. This is especially striking in the Catholic church, where the facing Latin text in the prayer book addresses god as _tu_. (Current Dutch 2nd person pronouns are the familiar _je/jij_ and the polite _U_.) Dan Slobin 3)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 00:40:37 -0400 (EDT) From: fuhrmann@sas.upenn.edu Subject: god in Germany It is my understanding that Christian Germans in northern Germany, which is predominantly Protestant, use the informal "du" to address God. I assume this also goes for southern Germany and Austria, which are predominantly Catholic, but I am not absolutely positive. Robert Fuhrmann 4)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 13:47:21 -0400 (EDT) From: jrosof@sas.upenn.edu Subject: irtsn / dutsn h' yisborekh Ellen Prince: Ikh veys nisht biz voser mos es teyln zikh di kristlekhe eyropeyer mitn inyen irtsn/dutsn. Dos vayterdike ken ikh aykh ober yo zogn. Ikh bin geven eyn khoydesh a gimnazye talmid in tsofn daytshland. Ikh gedenk az di mame fun der mishpokhe ba velkher ikh bin ayngeshtanen fleg zeyer oft zogn: "Ach Du Lieber Gott!" vos dos iz af undzer loshn taytsh Oy Got! oder Gotenyu! Di dozike fraze iz vayt farshpreyt in daytshland, ober di mame hot gehert tsu der efangelisher kirkh. Yude Rozof 5)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Oct 94 12:37:07 EDT From: steve@logos-usa.com Subject: Tutoyer ou vouvoyer Dieu Though hardly a Christian Mendelnik, I can enlighten Ellen Prince. French Catholics, as opposed to French Protestants, did use "vous" when addressing God until Vatican II, when the practice was changed. French Jews, incidentally, use the familiar form. Stephen Schneiderman 6)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 04:59:00 GMT From: stephendowling@weiser.com Subject: Workmen's Circle BBS Dear Mendelniks, 1. In defense of WC BBS A branch of the Workmen's Circle started Bulletin Board about five years ago. It has a fair number of users. It recently hooked itself up to the Internet. It offers e-mail to Workmen's Circle members for the bargain price of $25.00 a year. If you are familiar with BBS's and offline readers (I'm not), it can be very easy to use. If you are new to BBS's and the Internet, their is a small learning curve to be mastered. Much of what our shames mentions is not the fault of the BBS. How does the line go, "The fault lies not in our stars but in ourselves". My own problem was mastering a new offline reader. Our shames received an extremely garbled message from me. He sent it back and I corrected it. This was not the fault of the Workmen's Circle BBS. Garbage in, garbage out. I suspect Moish had similiar difficulties. I would like to thank the hundreds of loyal Mendelniks that sent me suggestions on alternative services. Your concern has been appreciated. 2. Last Chance For SHEVA's book! Our special 20% off Sheva Zucker's new Yiddish study guide, Yiddish: An Introduction to the Language, Literature and Culture expires November 7th, 1994. Don't let this opportunity pass you by! Sheva's book will set the Yiddish teaching world on fire! The book normally sells for $19.95. Add $4.50 for shipping. To order, write to Stephen.dowling@weiser.com or call 212-889-6800 ext.285 or 800-922-2558 ext.285 or write to the Jewish Book Center of the Workmen's Circle 45 East 33rd street NY NY 10016 To receive the discount, you must say you are a Mendelnik. Stephen Dowling 7)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 15:27:03 -0700 From: ac939@lafn.org Subject: Zellig Bach Ikh hob geshribn a hartzikn yasher koakh tsu Zellig Bach, zol er lang leybn, ober ikh veys nisht oyb mayn briv iz ongekumen, vel ikh iberkhazern. Es hot mir azh farklemt der hartz ven ikh hob geleynt viazoy mir zoln aynladn unzer mame loshn tsu unz in der heym un in der hartz. Ikh muz zikh moyde zayn az ikh hob dos nisht geton far mayne eygene kinder ober ikh to dos itst far mayn einikl. Di naye shleymelekh un sorelekh muzn visn fun vanen zey shtamn un muzn zikh aynbindn in unzer goldene keyt. A daynk aykh Zelig, far ayer oyfklerung in farshidine inyonim. Kayle Goodman ______________________________________________________ End of Mendele Vol. 4.144 Mendele has 2 rules: 1. Provide a meaningful Subject: line 2. Sign your article (full name please) A Table of Contents is now available via anonymous ftp, along with weekly updates. 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