Mendele: Yiddish literature and language ______________________________________________________ Contents of Vol. 4.372 March 19, 1995 1) Mameloshn 95 kids rates (Stephen Dowling) 2) Singer in Gaelic; Yiddish fonts (Jonathan Dembling) 3) The Russian medal (Michael Shimshoni) 4) The Russian medal (Michael Wex) 5) The Russian medal (David Sherman) 6) The Russian medal (Alan Shuchat) 7) Purim doggerel (Arnie Kuzmack) 8) Purim doggerel (Marjorie Schonhaut Hirshan) 9) Purim doggerel (Fishl Kutner) 10) Purim doggerel (Marcia Gruss Levinsohn) 11) Purim doggerel (Eliyahu Juni) 12) Purim doggerel (Miriam Halkin) 1)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 18:23:16 -0500 From: stdowling@aol.com Subject: Mameloshn 95 kids rates When I made my original post about Mameloshn 95, I was unable to quote children's rates. We had to finish settling that part of the Weekend with Circle Lodge. They are as follows: First two children: $20.00 Each additional child: $35.00 Proceeds will be used to cover the cost of the children's program. If it isn't clear from the above, let me spell it out: We wants kids! Zey zaynen undzer zukunft un mir darfn zey shtitsn! Ikh hof az ale vos viln un kenen kumen veln kumen un oyb ir hot kinder, breng zey. Mir veln zein zeyer zufridn zu hobn 50. The other thing we want to emphasize is how much we want college students. We have deliberately made our college rate, $85.00 for three days, as low as we could. If you are afiliated with a college Yiddish course and would like us to send you flyers to hand out, please feel free to contact me. Stephen Dowling Brooklyn, NY 2)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 00:33:59 -0500 (EST) From: bruce@ksgbbs.harvard.edu Subject: Singer in Gaelic; Yiddish fonts I wonder if anyone can help me with a few unrelated questions. 1. I have a (Scottish) Gaelic translation of an I.B. Singer story, the title of which translates into English as "Jealousy". No information is given as to the original title or from what collection it comes. I would like to get a copy (in Yiddish) of whatever collection it is. The title could also mean "Zeal". I've only just started to read the story, but so far there is a Zalman and a Rabbi Meir in the village of Radoszyce. Ring any bells? 2. I read with interest the information on Yiddish fonts for the Macintosh. Can these be used on an IBM-compatible? 3. I also read with interest the discussion of Yiddish names. I had been wondering what my name, Jonathan, was in Yiddish. How is Yoynosn spelled in alef-beys? A sheynem dank for any help. Jonathan Dembling Somerville, MA 3)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Mar 95 13:10:45 +0200 From: mash@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il Subject: The Russian medal >The next line reads,from right to left, > >nun-vav-lamed-reysh, then a vav with an accent mark over it like a French Here the "reysh" is really a dalet and thus it is "NOLAD", i.e. BORN. The vav with the accent stands for 6 (or in this case the sixths). >accent aigu, then hey-shin-vav-vav-langer nun (I'd guess this is >Heshvan/Khezhvn, so probably the hey is a khes). I agree that it is Heshvan, the second month of our calendar. > >The next line reads, again from right to left, > >sof-reysh-khof-zayin (all with the accents aforementioned), then This is the year (with the five thousand missing) 400+200+20+7=5627. >samekh-lamed-vav-tsadek-kuf. This sounds like Slutsk. There is such a town of which I had heard before, some 40 miles south of Minsk in Byelorus. So what we got is that this Mr Li(e)berman was born in Slutsk on Heshvan 6, 5627 which equals 1866 October 15 (by the Gregorian Calendar). Michael Shimshoni Rehovot 4)---------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Mar 95 03:56:03 EST From: 76252.147@compuserve.com Subject: The Russian medal I don't mean to disappoint the latter-day Liberman too deeply, but if the transcription of the medal's Hebraic obverse is correct (the reysh mentioned in the first word should be a dalet), it says merely, "Born on the sixth of Kheshven, 1867, in Slutzk." Michael Wex 5)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:11:12 EST From: dave@cai.lsuc.on.ca Subject: The Russian medal That's nun-vav-lamed-daled. "Nolad", meaning "born" in Hebrew. The vav with the stroke is the standard way of showing it's a number: the 6th of Kheshvan. Tof-reysh-khof-zayin = 400 + 200 + 20 + 7. +5,000 is implied, so this is the year 5627. That's the year 1866 (since Kheshvan is in November). The last line is likely "Slutsk", the town where he was born. I know people in Toronto named Slutski and Slutzky, who presumably have their origins in Slutsk. Mikhl Herzog can probably tell us where Slutsk is. David Sherman Toronto 6)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 13:57:44 -0500 (EST) From: ashuchat@wellesley.edu Subject: The Russian medal Larry Rosenwald asks about a bilingual medal belonging to a mutual colleague of ours. I've seen the medal and believe I can explain the Yiddish/ Hebrew side, but have a question about the Russian side. nun-vav-lamed-reysh is probably nun-vav-lamed-daled, nolad (born) vav'-kes-shin-vav-vav-langer nun is 5th of Heshvan sof-reysh-khof-zayin (with accents?) is the year tarcaz, 5627 = 1867?? and samekh-lamed-vav-tsadek-kuf is probably where he was born - Solotsk??? I don't recall the exact wording on the Russian side but it mentioned a coronation. Alexander III became tsar in 1881. Would he have been crowned in 1883? Would some Jews have received personalized medals? Would these have been souvenirs? royal gifts? Alan Shuchat 7)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 00:53:01 -0500 (EST) From: kuzmack@umbc.edu Subject: Purim doggerel Mikhl Herzog asks: > git pirim, git pirim, > ?????????????? > gits mir a groshn > n'varfts mir arous I remember it as: Haynt iz purim, Morgn iz oys, Git mir a groshn Un varft mikh aroys. Arnie Kuzmack 8)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 09:59:02 -0500 From: shirshan@aol.com Subject: Purim doggerel We used to chant it: Haynt iz Purim Morgn iz ois Git mir a groshn (or a peni) Un varft mir arois. I guess Galitzianer were too dignified to say "gits mir" or "varfts mir" even when behaving comedically. Gut yontef, a freylekhn Purim ale. Marjorie Schonhaut Hirshan Boynton Beach, Florida 9)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 15:08:35 -0800 From: fishl@well.sf.ca.us Subject: Purim doggerel Mom's ditty! Zi iz gekumen fun Tiktin, nit vayt fun Bialystok Haynt iz purim Morgn iz oys Git mir a groshn un varf mir aroys Fishl Kutner 10)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 18:33:05 -0500 (EST) From: mashinke@wam.umd.edu Subject: Purim doggerel Ikh hob gehert: Haynt iz Purim. Gib mir a peni Morgn iz oys. Un varf mikh aroys! Zayt zshe ale gezunt. Marcia Gruss Levinsohn Silver Spring, MD. 11)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 02:34:40 -0500 From: ao107@freenet.carleton.ca Subject: Purim doggerel In no. 4.370, Reb Mikhl Herzog asked about a "bit of doggerel." My grandparents have often sung something similar, to wit: A giten Pirem ale-kh vi ikh gay fal ikh d'burd iz mir lang n'dus vab iz mir krank haynt iz Pirem morgn iz oys gits mir a groshn n'varfts mikh aroys I imagine it originated as a ditty for a small child delivering shlakhmunes in costume to ask for a tip. Eliyahu Juni 12)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 13:24:50 +0200 (EET) From: mhalkin@lib.haifa.ac.il Subject: Purim doggerel Weinreich, in College Yiddish, lesson 12, p.113 gives us: Haynt iz purim, morgen iz oys. Git undz a groshn un varft undz aroys. Which, while not identical to the lines Mikhl Herzog asked about, must have some connection, no? Miriam Halkin ______________________________________________________ End of Mendele Vol. 4.372 Mendele has 2 rules: 1. Provide a meaningful Subject: line 2. Sign your article (full name please) A Table of Contents is now available via anonymous ftp, along with weekly updates. 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