Mendele: Yiddish literature and language ______________________________________________________ Contents of Vol. 6.261 March 11, 1997 1) Polish parev(e) (Gilad J. Gevaryahu) 2) Tsholnt, cholent (Elizabeth Ehrlich) 3) Ferkhapn dos harts (Elizabeth Ehrlich) 4) Folg mir a gang (Cherneh Wolpin) 5) Folg mir a gang (Mendy Fliegler) 6) Folg mir a gang (Mendy Fliegler) 7) Folg mir a gang (Heather Valencia) 8) Frages vegn yidish afn kompiuter (Khane Babad) 1)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:24:49 -0500 (EST) From: gevaryahu@aol.com Subject: Polish parev(e) Parev(e), the non fleishik non milkhic substance is known, but it carries with it a negative connotation in non food matters, sort of a person with no opinion, a neuter, (wishy-washy according to Weinreich) etc. But what is Polish parev(e)? Gilad J. Gevaryahu 2)---------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Mar 97 22:04:57 EST From: 73173.1134@compuserve.com Subject: Tsholnt, cholent Does anyone use the YIVO transcription tsholnt for the famous Sabbath casserole? The internet is full of cholent. I am publishing a recipe for same, and am undecided about how to title it. Most of my readers will be unfamiliar with the term and with Yiddish transcription in general. I would be glad to have any advice. Elizabeth Ehrlich 3)---------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Mar 97 22:04:57 EST From: 73173.1134@compuserve.com Subject: Ferkhapn dos harts Does anyone out there know the expression "ferkhapn dos harts", to get the heart beating again? My grandmother used to say this as she served coffee and honey cake to break the Yom Kippur fast. What is the correct grammar and transcription? Elizabeth Ehrlich 4)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:24:19 -0500 From: mandcwolpin@compuserve.com Subject: Nokh a folg mir a gang In my favorite vortbukh, " Yiddish dictionary sourcebook: a transliterated guide to the yiddish language " authors: Herman Galvin and Stan Tamarkin, on page 295 es shtayt - Folg mikh a gang, It's not worth the trouble ( follow me on an errand).....in other words mir kenen zogn .... Es is vert a zets in drerd! Zayt mir ale gezundt. Cherneh Wolpin Tonawanda, New York 5)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:43:47 EST From: emenems@juno.com Subject: Folg mir a gang... Az men darf dos ibetzetsn in English, iz dokh take okh un vey.....es farlirt azoy fil tam, un af English vert es modne..... "Folg mir a gang" hot tsu tun mer mit shverkayt, nisht azoy vi der veyg iz lang un shver tsu forn, ober es meynt oykhet, az es iz do a probleym vos loynt zikh nisht tsu farekhtn.... iz beser az der tsuherer zol es tun, nisht der reydner. So.... do me a favor (folg mir or mikh),,,, and _go (or do it) for me_... or: do it (the problem) for me even if its impossible...or you take the long tough road, not me!! (Where does the buck stop?) Mendy Fliegler 6)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:56:25 EST From: emenems@juno.com Subject: Folg mir a gang revisited There is also an expression, which is related to "folg mir a gang", which is: "men shtelt di fis oyf di pleytses".... This may be translated roughly as: "you can't get there from here", because in the Yiddish the remark is obvously an impossibility, it describes how difficult or complex the trip is, (almost impossible).... and: "vi kumt a katz ibern vaser?" also follows this line of thought... Note that all of these not only pertain to travel, but also to problems of any kind, or even rough social, psychological, (or financial) situations. What a wonderful way to say things. Thats why I never use the English! (I have even sculpted "men shtelt di fis oyf di pleytses"). Mendy Fliegler 7)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:18:00 -0000 From: h.m.valencia@stir.ac.uk Subject: Folg mir a gang Just after reading the question on Mendele about "folg mir a gang" I started to prepare Sholem Aleykhem's litle story "Baym kenik akhashuerush" to read with my Yiddish group at Purim: here one of the characters is an orphan boy "eyn orem bokherl, vos hot zikh oysgehaltn in untershtn klayzl un gelebt fun a "folg-mikh-a-gang"....." - I presume this means here that he wandered around the countryside?? Also it seems to confirm the "folg-miKH-a-gang" version. A propos this story, the Purim player "zingt a daytsh liderl" (there then follows a version of the Purim story in a horrible mishmash of Germanised Yiddish--I assume that it is designated "daytsh" because German was supposed to be the elevated stage language, more "educated" (and the whole thing is ironic here)-- but could there be any other explanation I have missed: could Sh. Aleykhem possibly be remembering or recreating some centuries-old version from Germany? There is also a little Purim-song in Russian in the story. Heather Valencia Stirling, Scotland 8)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:43:44 -0800 (PST) From: babad@teleport.com Subject: Frages vegn yidish afn kompiuter 1. mayn yidish lerer nitst shoyn nisus un er vil shraybn a verterbukh mit 4 verter af jeder shure: english, rusish, yidish, un hebrayish. vi azoy ken men shraybn mit nisus links-tsu-rekhts verter af der selbiker shure mit yidish/hebrayishe verter? zayt azoy gut un derklert alts -- ikh aleyn veys gornit fun nisus und ikh veys nit, vifl er ken makhn mit der program. 2. ikh nits "ms word" un ikh hob geleyent(mistame af mendele), az men ken bakumen a program far shraybn yidish mit "ms word." vu bakumt men di program? darft men nokh epes, kedey di oysyes zoln drikn zikh rekhts tsu links? zeyer a sheynem dank fun oregon! Katharine/khane Babad ______________________________________________________ End of Mendele Vol. 6.261 Mendele has 2 rules: 1. Provide a meaningful Subject: line 2. 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