1995.05.11 / jonesse@acoust / Re: Cold Fusion: The Musical Originally-From: jonesse@acoust.byu.edu Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: Cold Fusion: The Musical Date: 11 May 95 13:00:27 -0600 Organization: Brigham Young University In a post announcing "Cold Fusion: The Musical" [I have not received that original post yet] , Wes writes: "I do fear Dr. Steven Jones may not appreciate his namesake carrying a bullwhip and an old, beat-up hat; fighting snakes and beating up Ninjas..." Droege asks: "How about it Steve, is that your self image?" Quite. I have dressed myself that way in class a time or two -- the students seem to enjoy the allusion to Indiana Jones. My son Seth induced me to buy the correct style of fedora. The last time I did this, I demonstrated burning hydrogen in a container with an open bottom. After about 30 seconds, the flame enters the bottle which is now mixed with air, and an explosion occurs. It's quite safe (the heavy jar is surround by heavy wire mesh), and a lot of fun. Sounds like an amusing play, gentlemen. Have fun. --Steve Jones P.S. I do have a transcript of the original F&P press conference at the University of Utah (Note: our group did *NOT* have a press conference at BYU!) Let me know if you want me to dig this up, Wes. Note 2: This transcript shows Pons saying that the bump in the gamma plot is at 2.5 MeV -- it should be at 2.2 MeV for neutron capture on protons in water! Some will remember this matter -- Frank Close treats it at length in his book on CF. cudkeys: cuddy11 cudenjonesse cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.11 / jonesse@acoust / cancel <1995May11.125435.2227@acoust.byu.edu> Originally-From: jonesse@acoust.byu.edu Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: cancel <1995May11.125435.2227@acoust.byu.edu> Date: 11 May 95 13:00:50 -0600 cancel <1995May11.125435.2227@acoust.byu.edu> cudkeys: cuddy11 cudenjonesse cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / A Plutonium / Re: me on TV in Boston WCVB Originally-From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.plutonium,sci.engr,sci.physics,sci.physics.f sion,sci.physics.electromag,sci.chem,sci.bio,sci.math Subject: Re: me on TV in Boston WCVB Date: 12 May 1995 00:53:05 GMT Organization: Plutonium College In article <1995May9.160903.23888@schbbs.mot.com> bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes: > Has this actually made it on the air yet? Did anyone see it? The networks > don't spend an hour of actual air time on wars, so somehow I doubt they will > spend that long on Ludwig, even though they may have shot that much footage. Good choice of words "war", for once you understand the idea behind Atom Totality Whole the implications are quite immediately clear. Shortly after I discovered the theory on 7 Nov 1990, a friend of mine who I explained it to, I said " well, this theory destroys the god of the Bible, . . " and my friend said " don't worry about that, they will always find some way to tuck a god into whatever science does, . ." That TV station spent 1 and 1/2 hour on filming me. I suspect they plan to devote anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes on me. It was in three segments. Me washing pots for Dartmouth's Hanover Inn, me bicycling since I gave up on air polluting engines since 1987. And me sitting down explaining the PU theory and by a computer. If the TV station omits me explaining my theory then I will suspect that persecutors will have done their dastardly deed. I say this because I was persecuted not too long ago by a South African Astronomy Journal which reserved space for me in their journal but when it was realized that my theory replaces god with an atom. They reneged. They reserved space in their journal and I sent them my article, and as far as I can tell one of their editors is a religious bigot who went against my "reserved space" and persecuted me. So from that experience, I have learnt to not trust these things until they have actually materialized. Just like business, the money is not there until it is in the actual hand or in the bank account. Maybe I ought to post that South African persecution. And I want to state quite frankly here and now, that there are many science journals which have outstanding letters in their files from years ago. I take away all permission to publish any of those. The Plutonium Atom Foundation does not like it or cater to organizations that do things "when suitable for them" and not when it was wanted. In other words, SA or the many letters to the editor of Nature will hold on to these letters and publish them long after I had intended them to be published. This trick is dirty and underhanded in my opinion, and all those outstanding letters of years ago, no longer have my publishing permission. I have the Internet, an organization better and more powerful than any censoring-science-math-monkey-magazine. If it had not been for the math of QM, it would never have been published. Never, . . Play Vangelis music theme of COSMOS cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenPlutonium cudfnArchimedes cudlnPlutonium cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / A Plutonium / Re: me on TV in Boston WCVB Originally-From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) Originally-From: mnassa@mv.saao.ac.za Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.plutonium,sci.engr,sci.physics,sci.physics.f sion,sci.physics.electromag,sci.chem,sci.bio,sci.math Subject: Re: me on TV in Boston WCVB Subject: RE: Re: Date: 12 May 1995 01:23:16 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 03:14:19 EDT Organization: Plutonium College In article <3oubhh$mnv@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes: > Maybe I ought to post that South African persecution. And I want to > state quite frankly here and now, that there are many science journals > which have outstanding letters in their files from years ago. I take > away all permission to publish any of those. ----start of one email sent to me in a long chain of emails reserving space in a South African Astronomy Journal, and after I sent them my article re: Tifft quantized star speeds and the PU theory, they reneged ---- Originally-From: mnassa@mv.saao.ac.za Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 03:14:19 EDT To: Ludwig.Plutonium@Dartmouth.EDU Subject: RE: Re: Hi Ludwig: 1994 Apr 17 Sun 20:48 UTC As I mentioned in paragraph 2 of my last letter, it will be premature to promulgate a new theory with an article of such a general nature - it should be accompanied by the supporting arguments. This would force the more "politically correct" scientists to listen to what you have to say. Do you need more time to prepare the formal section for publication? If possible, send me what you have in the meanwhile. Wishing you all the best, Auke ----end of that email--- Readers, please do not think I am angry with this SA journal, I am not. I just want to reveal all persecution of the PU theory. I want to let this journal know that they may NEVER publish anything that I had sent them, nor anyone else who I had sent letters for publication. Scientific American surprized me for they published one of mine in April 1993, and as the years go bye, the fools joke is on SA for SA will come to realize that the worlds greatest theory they could not recognize over an April Fools joke. The joke in the future will be, whatever is in SA's aprils edition is the best of science. I am not mad with South African Astronomy journal for they went further than any other science journal, they asked me for some of my theory to publish, they just did not execute on their promise, that is much better than every other science journal for none of them have ever bothered to "want" any of the ATOM TOTALITY WHOLE. And there will come a time where all will want a story about it from me, and I will make myself scarce or tell them to kiss their hind wind. cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenPlutonium cudfnArchimedes cudlnPlutonium cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / jedrothwell@de / Re: Dick Blue's imaginary solutions to pretend problems Originally-From: jedrothwell@delphi.com Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: Dick Blue's imaginary solutions to pretend problems Date: Fri, 12 May 95 08:20:53 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Tim Mirabile writes: > >I don't know if this is the case in Griggs' setup, and it may >not matter. I would think that the instrumentation has some >type of noise filtering in its power supply for just this sort >of noise. Also, the fact that the motor and instrumentation >are on separate circuits would provide pretty good isolation. > >This one could probably be settled with a good 'scope. This discussion has AGAIN veered off into never-never-land thinking. You do not need a good 'scope. You do not need to worry about separate circuits or isolation. All you have to do is *check the thermocouple readings with a thermometer*. Let me repeat that, in caps: TAKE THE TEMPERATURE WITH A THERMOMETER. Okay? Use any kind of non electronic thermometer: mercury, alcohal, bimetalic . . . none of them are affected by electric motors. As long as the thermocouples are correct to within 1 deg F, you are home free. Greater precision than that is not required for this experiment. Thermometers are much cheaper, easier to use, and much more reliable than a "good scope." The issue here is: Are we rding temperature correctly. The answer can be found in 30 seconds with any lab thermometer. - Jed cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenjedrothwell cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / Bryan Wallace / Re: The Farce of Physics Originally-From: wallaceb@news.IntNet.net (Bryan Wallace) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.philosophy.objectivis ,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,misc.books.technical,sci.astro,sci.energy, ci.misc,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.fusion,sci.physic .particle,sci.research,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: The Farce of Physics Date: 12 May 1995 08:30:38 -0400 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Van (vanjac@netcom.com) wrote: : Isn't there a name for this kind of posting? : Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet. -( )--(1)--(1)+-(1)+-(1)--(1) : + ufo,alt.philosophy.objectivism, | \-[1]--(1) : + alt.sci.physics.new-theories,misc. \-(1)--(1)--(1) : + books.technical,sci.astro,sci. -(1) : + energy,sci.misc,sci.physics,sci. : + physics.electromag,sci.physics.fusion,sci.physics.particle,sci. : + research,sci.skeptic : -- : Van -- Email: vanjac@netcom.com How about calling it "successful". I started by only posting to sci.physics and got only a limited response from my thread regarding discussion of my book "The Farce of Physics" and the problems with modern physics. Since I added the other newsgroups I've a much greater cross cultural response. Nothing succeeds like success! Bryan cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenwallaceb cudfnBryan cudlnWallace cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / EKennel / Re: What's wrong with H2O cold fusion? Originally-From: ekennel@aol.com (EKennel) Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: What's wrong with H2O cold fusion? Date: 12 May 1995 08:59:27 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Dick, It seems that our base positions have not changed much recently. I agree with you that there is NO DATA at present which would allow us to declare in favor of any particular cold fusion model. There are some models which self-destruct because of internal consistencies; we agree about that. However, what is new is that there are now experiments which would very likely yield unambiguous data which would force either you or me to capitulate, if only we would do these experiments. Specifically, the Patterson cell is interesting because it reportedly produces excess heat very quickly and reproducibly (unlike the Pons-Fleischmann cell which is notoriously difficult to load with deuterium). Also, because the volume of palladium is extremely small, and the energy produced is very high, transmutation reactions ought to be apparent in a good mass-spec. This is not the case for a thick cathode. Since there are six stable isotopes of Pd, isotope shifts of a few parts per million are difficult to observe. This is not the case, however, when something like several percent of the atoms participate in the reaction. An accurate mass spec would certainly tell us whether large scale transmutation has occurred. Unnatural isotope ratios within the Pd, Li or Si families would be very difficult to attribute to exotic chemistry. It would be equally damning evidence against fusion, I might add. On the other hand if no isotope shifts are observed anywhere, Hagelstein is in big trouble. The business of attempting to detect phonon gain is more difficult. Suffice it to say that we’ve designed some experiments, but they require some genuine bucks to carry out. The main point is that the experiments are now claimed to be reproducible on demand, and produce a tremendous amount of specific energy. We should easily be able to see isotope shifts from transmutation reactions. This would allow us to sum the total binding energy before and after the experiment. At the end of the experiment, one or the other of us would probably change his mind. cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenekennel cudlnEKennel cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / Willy Moss / Re: Joule-Thomson/heating in D2 bubble/SL Originally-From: Willy Moss Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: Joule-Thomson/heating in D2 bubble/SL Date: 12 May 1995 15:25:26 GMT Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, NCD There was a macro error in my posting: ..Typical values vary between +-1 deg K/atm, so that during bubble expansion there is only a 1 degree K effect at most.... Sorry. cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenwmoss cudfnWilly cudlnMoss cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / Willy Moss / Re: Joule-Thomson/heating in D2 bubble/SL Originally-From: Willy Moss Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: Joule-Thomson/heating in D2 bubble/SL Date: 12 May 1995 15:28:14 GMT Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, NCD There was a macro error in my posting: ..Typical values vary between +-1 degree K/atm, so that during bubble expansion there is only a 1 degree effect at most... Sorry. cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenwmoss cudfnWilly cudlnMoss cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / Dick Jackson / Re: Jones' Hypothesis about E-Quest Helium Originally-From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson) Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: Jones' Hypothesis about E-Quest Helium Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 15:10:02 GMT Organization: Citicorp-TTI at Santa Monica (CA) by the Sea In article <3oim2g$n9h@stratus.skypoint.net> jlogajan@skypoint.com writes: >Tim Mirabile (tim@mail.htp.com) wrote: >: jlogajan@skypoint.com (John Logajan) wrote: > >: > The inverstion temperature for hydrogen is approximately -183C. So >: > pressurized room temperature hydrogen warms up upon expanding through >: > a nozzle. > >: Would this temperature increase happen if the expansion >: occured in a cylinder with a movable piston, or is >: it only when released through a nozzle? > >I don't know. I was only paraphrasing the entry in the definitions section >of the CRC Handbook. However, I don't think they would have mentioned >"nozzle" if it was a more general case in which any sort of expansion >caused the same result. I'm a bit hazy (actually more than a bit) when it comes to "isoenthalpic" curves but wouldn't gaining temperature while pushing a piston imply that negative work is required to compress the gas? Dick Jackson cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenjackson cudfnDick cudlnJackson cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / Shy Wilbur / Re: Compressing Deuterated Pd Originally-From: Shy Wilbur Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: Compressing Deuterated Pd Date: 12 May 1995 16:55:20 GMT Organization: World Wide Wilber Enterprise Ltd. chrisk@gomez.stortek.com (Chris Kostanick) wrote: >(2) Set up the same sort of explosive lenses as are used for detonation > of a Pu fission weapon. Replace the Pu with Pd mit D and let fly. > Watch for neutrons. Hydrides and deuterides of U and Pu are known. Suppose we took the deuteride of U235 or Pu239 and performed the above experiment, would we have a new nuclear trigger? Could this thing be patented? cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenWWW cudfnShy cudlnWilbur cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / Doug Shade / Re: ANOTHER Form of COLD FUSION Originally-From: rxjf20@email.sps.mot.com (Doug Shade) Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: ANOTHER Form of COLD FUSION Date: 12 May 1995 16:43:14 GMT Organization: Motorola LICD I've read this suggested experiment before. I've never read that it does not work... Does it really work? It is not a pretty picture... the nuclear physics profession being outsmarted by a kernal of corn. How 'bout we spend the left over $700 on petri dishes and tomato seeds? Doug Shade rxjf20@email.sps.mot.com cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenrxjf20 cudfnDoug cudlnShade cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / Nicholas Rich / Re: The Farce of Physics Originally-From: neo-rich@ix.netcom.com (Nicholas Rich) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.philosophy.objectivis ,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,misc.books.technical,sci.astro,sci.energy, ci.misc,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.fusion,sci.physic .particle,sci.research,sci.skeptic,alt.neo-tech Subject: Re: The Farce of Physics Date: 12 May 1995 17:34:22 GMT Organization: Netcom In <3ovkde$11u@xcalibur.IntNet.net> wallaceb@news.IntNet.net (Bryan Wallace) writes: > > >How about calling it "successful". I started by only posting to >sci.physics and got only a limited response from my thread regarding >discussion of my book "The Farce of Physics" and the problems with >modern physics. Since I added the other newsgroups I've a much greater >cross cultural response. Nothing succeeds like success! > >Bryan > > Mr Wallace You might want to check out the site in my sig, there is a whole section (PT 1) of the online book that deals with problems in today's physics. Enjoy Nicholas Rich ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Nicholas Rich | =!Cool Stuff on the Net!= | Neo-Tech nicholas@scruznet.com | http://www.neo-tech.com/zonpower/ | = | http://199.3.230.2/zonpower/ | Objectivism Zonpower Rulz C-Space | =!There is no God but you!= | Inc cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenrich cudfnNicholas cudlnRich cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / Alan M / Re: The Farce of Physics Originally-From: "Alan M. Dunsmuir" Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: The Farce of Physics Date: 12 May 1995 18:49:45 +0100 Organization: Home In article: <3ovkde$11u@xcalibur.IntNet.net> wallaceb@news.IntNet.net (Bryan Wallace) writes: > How about calling it "successful". I started by only posting to > sci.physics and got only a limited response from my thread regarding > discussion of my book "The Farce of Physics" and the problems with > modern physics. Since I added the other newsgroups I've a much greater > cross cultural response. Nothing succeeds like success! > Well. If you've now got the responses you want from the kook groups you've added, perhaps you could drop sci.physics and sci.physics.fusion, where we all seem too stupid to recognize the value of your arguments. Alternatively, we could have a word with your new service provider about your misuse of the facilities of the 'Net. -- Alan M. Dunsmuir [@ his wits end] (Can't even quote poetry right) I am his Highness' dog at Kew Pray tell me sir, whose dog are you? [Alexander Pope] PGP Public Key available on request. cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenAlan cudfnAlan cudlnM cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / Tom Droege / Re: Cold Fusion: The Musical Originally-From: Droege@fnal.fnal.gov (Tom Droege) Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: Cold Fusion: The Musical Date: 12 May 1995 18:08:43 GMT Organization: fermilab In article <3or76c$7kd@news.sas.ab.ca>, charl@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () says: > >...Actually, we intend to do it at ICCF 6 in Bejing. I'm not kidding. > >Wes The attendence than will not be so good as ICCF6 is (if held) going to be in Japan at the last word. Do the Droege brothers have a part? We would play well as junior thugs if you have a sewer or dungeon scene. I assume you have the major books for material. Huizinga, Mallove, Close, etc.. Tom Droege cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenDroege cudfnTom cudlnDroege cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / Conrad / Re: The Farce of Physics Originally-From: conrad@skid.ps.uci.edu (Conrad) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.philosophy.objectivis ,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,misc.books.technical,sci.astro,sci.energy, ci.misc,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.fusion,sci.physic .particle,sci.research,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: The Farce of Physics Date: 12 May 95 16:48:58 GMT Organization: University of California, Irvine wallaceb@news.IntNet.net (Bryan Wallace) writes: [snip] > Most physicists agree that there is a wave particle problem with >regard to light. What do you mean? Real subatomic particles have measured point-like and wave-like properties that are well described by quantum mechanics. This is often referred to as the wave/particle duality, but I do not know of any physicist who considers this to be a "problem". >To date my 1969 Venus radar paper is the only published >objective comparative analysis of the data regarding both models. I was >forced to use the sparse published 1961 Venus radar data and as my book >shows, I was never able to get a more complete set of data from Shapiro >or anyone else. The early data was reported to be accurate to around 1.5 >km while the current one way signal transit time data from orbiting >spacecraft is reported to be accurate to around 1.5 m and the velocities >involved are much higher and in the case of the Venus Magellan graft have >periods of around 90 min. as opposed to 24 hrs. In the case of the >early radar data the differences in the 2 theories was around 200 km >while in the case of the Magellan craft it would be about 3500 km. The >wrong model would show the craft to be in an impossible elliptical orbit >while the correct one would show it in its proper nearly circular orbit >as determined by its surface radar data. The one way signal transit >times would also make it possible to determine the Earth's motion through >the solid vacuum/space/ether if it existed. JPL does the navigation for all interplanetary spacecraft including Magellan. They use algorithms based on general relativity, they have reported no discrepancies, and they are generating beautiful maps of Venus with the Magellan data. How could they possibly achieve this, if their determination of Magellan's position was 3500 km in error?!? >I have a simple test to >determine if a physicist is a legitimate scientist. If they call for NASA >to make a complete objective analysis with regard to both models, I >consider them to be true scientists. If they don't they are >pathological scientists or politicians. Until this test is done, modern >physics will remain a farce and does not deserve to be funded by the >Federal Government! I have not been able to find your 1969 paper, but I suspect that your calculation of the "standard" interpretation of the data does not rely on GR. If your interpretation of "standard" physics is incorrect, why should I support your call to compare your two models? -- //===============================\\ || Conrad, conrad@hepxvt.uci.edu || || You have to decide to live. || \\===============================// cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenconrad cudlnConrad cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszM cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / HMICRO / Re: Highlights of the Fifth International CF Conference Originally-From: hmicro@aol.com (HMICRO) Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: Highlights of the Fifth International CF Conference Date: 12 May 1995 15:14:57 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Concerning Jed Rothwell's comments about Patterson cells producing excess power, my analysis of the Patterson patent itself (U.S. 5,318,675) shows that the ratio of power out to power in is on average 52%, with the maximum being 74%. This is a far cry from the touted 1000% power ratios we hear about. Furthermore, the calculations do not take into account the 288 joules of energy used to "load" the cells before they function. I will be happy to send via U.S. Mail a copy of the analysis to anyone interested. B. J. Howell cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenhmicro cudlnHMICRO cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / David Johnston / Re: Tiny Ball Lightning have been found! Originally-From: David Johnston Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion,sci.geo.meteorology,alt.sci.physics.new-theories Subject: Re: Tiny Ball Lightning have been found! Date: 12 May 1995 21:04:03 +0100 Organization: Daveland Developments In article <800135170snz@oroboros.demon.co.uk>, Chris Morriss writes: > As it travelled it made a sizzling noise with small 'firework sparkler' > type bits coming out of it. The ball could only have been 1 or 2mm in > diameter. I guess these things might also have been of the same form as > ball lightning. > Has anybody else noticed anything like this? Yes, it happened on a faulty ringer amp circuit I was using in the lab last week. However the size of the lightening was somewhat larger and rather worrying. DJ cudkeys: cuddy12 cudendavidj cudfnDavid cudlnJohnston cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / Warren Lavallee / RESULT: sci.physics.fusion reorganization fails Originally-From: warren@syra.net (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.chem,sci.chem.electr chem,sci.energy,sci.energy.hydrogen,sci.physics,sci.skeptic,sci.philosop y.tech,sci.physics.fusion Subject: RESULT: sci.physics.fusion reorganization fails Date: 12 May 1995 16:36:30 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers RESULT sci.physics.fusion reorg results - 158 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 112 31 : Yes No : No : sci.physics.fusion.research 98 50 : No No : No : sci.physics.fusion.misc (replaces sci.physics.fusion) 1 invalid vote Newsgroups line: sci.physics.fusion.research Nuclear fusion (hot & cold) (Moderated) sci.physics.fusion.misc Nuclear fusion (cold) This vote was being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee . For questions about the proposed group contact Dieter Britz . CHARTER The scholarly discussion of fusion, including hot and cold, both of ongoing actual research and results as well as discussion of fusion; reports of advances in fusion science/technology and national policies on fusion. It is simultaneously proposed that the existing group's name be changed to sci.physics.fusion.misc. The main argument for this is along the lines that this is a trend, removing some administrative problems in the setting up of the new group; it would also prevent the presentation of the proposed new group as a subgroup of the old one. This proposal would be voted independently of the main one. Since this is a name change only, the charter of this 'new' group would be that of the existing one, sci.physics.fusion. 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Any other use is fine.] sci.physics.fusion reorg Final Vote Ack sci.physics.fusion.misc (replaces sci.physics.fusion) ----+ sci.physics.fusion.research ---+| || 72240.1256@compuserve.com Jed Rothwell -N 74063.3546@compuserve.com Jeffrey Driscoll NN 76570.2270@compuserve.com Eugene Mallove -N a.duncan@trl.oz.au Allan Duncan YY afabbro@umich.edu Andrew Fabbro N- Alan@moonrake.demon.co.uk Alan M Dunsmuir NN alan@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au Alan Modra YY anielsen@mpx.com.au Andrew Nielsen YY arromdee@blaze.cs.jhu.edu Ken Arromdee -N awc@ipp-garching.mpg.de Arthur Carlson YY bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu Ed Bailey YY balaji@nexus.yorku.ca Balaji NN bernecky@starbase.nl.nuwc.navy.mil W. Robert Bernecky YN bjv@herbison.com B.J. Herbison -Y britz@kemi.aau.dk Dieter Britz YY bsulliva@solar.sky.net Bob Sullivan YY by177@cleveland.Freenet.Edu D. L. Mosher YN CAG9@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Charles A. 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YY w1gsl@MIT.EDU Steve Finberg NN whaley@elbo.ucs.ubc.ca Paul W. Whaley YY widenius@cc.helsinki.fi Risto Widenius NN wth0019@decster.uta.edu Billy Harris YN wyllie@physun.physics.McMaster.CA Craig Wyllie YY yzhao@pppl.gov Yi Zhao YY zeus@jhu.edu Jeffrey M. Odom YY Votes in error ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- olitwin@unixg.ubc.ca Oleg Litwinow ! No vote statement in message cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenwarren cudfnWarren cudlnLavallee cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszL cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / law007@kbbs.co / Income Tax is Big Consp!! Originally-From: law007@kbbs.com Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Income Tax is Big Consp!! Date: Fri, 12 May 95 12:52:22 PST Organization: KBBS - Internet & Files via Satellite One example of hundreds of new and empowering facts you learn from Terra Libra! 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Subject: RE: journal article Date: 13 May 1995 00:29:17 GMT Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 23:48:32 EST Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 05:14:01 EST Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 23:52:50 EST Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 23:32:33 EST Organization: Plutonium College In article <3ouda4$q8k@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes: > > Maybe I ought to post that South African persecution. And I want to > > state quite frankly here and now, that there are many science journals > > which have outstanding letters in their files from years ago. I take > > away all permission to publish any of those. I take offense to journals that reserve you publishing space in August 1994; you send them the article then you never hear from them. I suspect their underhanded game is to keep that in their file and later when the theory is shown correct they come out with trumpets and horns blairing that they were in on the theory all along. Somewhere from April to July the MNASSA journal reneged. Who are the persons in charge of this journal? It is my opinion that at least one of them is not academic freedom but rather a religious bigot who realized what I was saying in my theory. I post the following conversation because the world needs to know in detail how the author of the PLUTONIUM ATOM WHOLE TOTALITY is and was persecuted. ---------------------------------------------------------- EMAIL Originally-From: mnassa@mv.saao.ac.za Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 23:48:32 EST To: Ludwig.Plutonium@Dartmouth.EDU Subject: Quantized redshifts Hi 1994 March 15 20:20 UTC I saw your recent posting re: quantized galaxy speeds, which I read with interest. Unfortunately, my access to newsgroups is highly erratic, and I missed your earlier material. Could you perhaps mail me a copy? I would like run a feature article on these quantized reshifts: would you be interested in contributing? I realise I may be overstepping netiquette by being so forward, but isn't that what editors are supposed to do?? Wishing you all the best, Auke ' ' Auke Slotegraaf, Editor ' . Mon.Notes Astron.Soc.S.Afr. mnassa@saao.ac.za c/o SAAO, PO Box 9 ' Observatory, 7935 ' SOUTH AFRICA ---------------------------------------------------------- EMAIL Originally-From: mnassa@mv.saao.ac.za Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 05:14:01 EST To: Ludwig.Plutonium@Dartmouth.EDU Subject: Re: Quantized redshifts Dear Ludwig: 1994 March 16 00:30 UTC Many thanks for your prompt reply. I agree wholeheartedly with you that Tifft& s work has been most unfairly neglected by the main-stream scientific community. Your offer of assistance is gladly accepted. Would you be prepared to write an article for MNASSA? In it, you could explain the atom totality theory, and the relationship with the big bang and steady state theories. This is only a suggestion - perhaps you could submit an overview of what you intend to publish? Thanking you in anticipation, Looking forward to hearing from you, Auke ' ' Auke Slotegraaf, Editor ' . Mon.Notes Astron.Soc.S.Afr. mnassa@saao.ac.za c/o SAAO, PO Box 9 ' Observatory, 7935 ' SOUTH AFRICA ---------------------------------------------------------- EMAIL Originally-From: mnassa@mv.saao.ac.za Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 23:52:50 EST To: Ludwig.Plutonium@Dartmouth.EDU Subject: Thanks for Accepting! Hi Ludwig: 1994 March 17 21:58 UTC Thanks for offering to do the article. Yes, please submit via e-mail - a straight ASCII file is fine. Otherwise, a UUENCODED Tex file will do. So that we can plan ahead, do you have an idea when you would like to run the article? We are full up till July - should I reserve space for August 1994? Looking forward to hearing from you, Auke ' ' Auke Slotegraaf, Editor ' . Mon.Notes Astron.Soc.S.Afr. mnassa@saao.ac.za c/o SAAO, PO Box 9 ' Observatory, 7935 ' SOUTH AFRICA ---------------------------------------------------------- EMAIL Originally-From: mnassa@mv.saao.ac.za Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 23:32:33 EST To: Ludwig.Plutonium@Dartmouth.EDU Subject: RE: journal article Dear Ludwig: 1994 March 18 21:32 UTC Thanks for the article-extract. I haven& t been able to read it thoroughly yet (busy with the current MNASSA issue) but it certainly looks interesting. If you could let me have the full-length article at your earliest convenience, I can set the wheels in motion. Regarding illustrations, could you supply these (initially) in image-file format (GIFs etc.)? This will be very helpful in planning the layout. If these include photographs that need to be printed, you could send these at a later date. Best wishes, Auke ' ' Auke Slotegraaf, Editor ' . Mon.Notes Astron.Soc.S.Afr. mnassa@saao.ac.za c/o SAAO, PO Box 9 ' Observatory, 7935 ' SOUTH AFRICA ------------------------------------------------------------ This South African journal reserved space then reneged. This journal no longer has any rights to publishing any of that material I sent them. And to Nature, New Scientist, Science and the many other journals who I wrote letters-to-the-editor I pull away all rights to publish those in the future, just when these birdbrain propelled editors slowly and painfully realize that I am correct with the Plutonium ATom Totality theory. Here Auke, here Nature, here New Scientist, here Science play and sing the song He's Got The Whole World In His Hands, only to my lyrics -- -- I got the Whole World by the balls I got the Whole World by the Balls He's got the Whole World by the nuts He's got the Whole World by the nuts I got you and me brother by the balls cudkeys: cuddy13 cudenPlutonium cudfnArchimedes cudlnPlutonium cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszL cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.12 / MARSHALL DUDLEY / Re: ANOTHER Form of COLD FUSION Originally-From: mdudley@brbbs.brbbs.com (MARSHALL DUDLEY) Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: ANOTHER Form of COLD FUSION Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 17:31 -0500 (EST) rxjf20@email.sps.mot.com (Doug Shade) writes: -> It is not a pretty picture... the nuclear physics profession being -> outsmarted by a kernal of corn. -> -> How 'bout we spend the left over $700 on petri dishes and tomato seeds? I think most of the cost would be in the analysis, not the raw materials. If the analysis were easy I would give it a try myself in the kitchen. Marshall cudkeys: cuddy12 cudenmdudley cudfnMARSHALL cudlnDUDLEY cudmo5 cudqt2 cudszS cudyr1995 ------------------------------ 1995.05.13 / Publius / Re: What's wrong with H2O cold fusion? Originally-From: publius@gate.net (Publius) Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: What's wrong with H2O cold fusion? Date: 13 May 1995 01:50:47 GMT Dave Oldridge (doldridg@fox.nstn.ns.ca) wrote: : In article <9504301609.AA78738@pilot1.cl.msu.edu>, : blue@pilot.msu.edu (Richard A Blue) wrote: : > If you have to guess about both the initial and the final ingredients : > of the cold fusion reaction what can you claim to know about the process? : > If in addition you have no workable theory to explain any process what : > is it that keeps this debate alive? : What seems to be keeping it alive is that people keep getting results : that aren't all that easy to explain (or reproduce for that matter). : That can be as annoying as an intermittent fault in a circuit board... : > There are some among us who may hold the view that theories to support : > deuterium fusion as the source for "excess heat" do have sufficient merit : > to keep the cold fusion debate alive. But what about a theory for cold : > fusion fueled by H2O? OK you heavy hitters on the cold fusion theory : > team when are you going to step up to the plate and take a swing at : > that one? : Has anyone checked one of these palladium experiments for silver isotopes? : Maybe everyone is looking at the wrong part of the periodic table. : -- : Dave Oldridge : doldridg@fox.nstn.ns.ca I posted a hypothesis elsewhere, based on the prediction in the Book of Revelation, Chapter20. This prophecy says that at the end of the 20th Century there would occur a catastrophic end to Life on Earth - "The old heaven(atmosphere) and the old earth passed away and there was no more sea." I believe that the Second Law of Thermodynamics is just itching to get to work on that lethat combination we call H2O - and that now, since we have figured out the nature of what the prophecy calls "The Fire of God" it is just a matter of time till we set of the real chain reaction. 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