1996.01.25 /  jedrothwell@de /  Re: Responses to T. Craven, M. Jones
     
Originally-From: jedrothwell@delphi.com
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Responses to T. Craven, M. Jones
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 17:03:34 -0500
Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice)

I Johnston <ianj@castle.ed.ac.uk> writes:
 
>Nice to have you back Jed. Have you decided yet whether the 1300W CETI
>run lasted for many hours - as you originally claimed - or for only a
>few minutes, as CETI claim? 
 
I have answered that question several times. I did not observe the first
run closely. Dennis Cravens recently reported that it was running at the
normal rate of about 500 watts most of the time, and that it was only
boosed up to the 1300 watt level for about a quarter-hour. I did not
measure it myself, and I was only there for about an hour, so I cannot
verify that claim. I reported the numbers that he read out, and I saw that
the graduated cylinder held ~300 ml. He read out a 17 C Delta T. I am
sure his differential thermocouples were working fine because I checked
them repeatedly on subsequent days. 300 ml/15 seconds = 1200 ml/min.
1200 ml * 17 C = 20,400 calories, which is 86,000 joules. Divide by 60
seconds, you get 1400 watts. Reduce that a tad because there is lithium
sulfate in the water. That instantaneous power reading was 1300 watts.
That cannot be stored energy because it was hot the whole two hours,
at ~500 watts excess.
 
I checked subsequent runs much more carefully. It was hot the whole time,
the flow was unrestricted the whole time. I held the stopcock at different
heights, but that did not change the flow measurably. It is case closed,
unless you want to argue that flow calorimetry does not work.
 
- Jed
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1996.01.25 /  jedrothwell@de /  Re: Significance of Lithium in Electrolytes
     
Originally-From: jedrothwell@delphi.com
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Significance of Lithium in Electrolytes
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 17:12:37 -0500
Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice)

Elliot Kennel <71756.3025@CompuServe.COM> writes:
 
>Concerning lithium:
>       I am not aware of any claims of excess heat in
>electrochemical cells without the presence of lithium, nor are
>there any claims of excess heat in systems which do not contain
>glass.  Some silicon is leached by the lithium hydroxide and will
>wind up on the surface of the cathode.
 
I cannot think of any examples either. However, there are claims that
non-electrochemical systems produce excess heat and nuclear effects, and
these systems contain no lithium or silicon. There are examples of gas
loading and ion implantation like this. They are not as widely replicated
as the electrochemical experiments. If the gas loading results at places
like NTT, Mitsubishi, and Fiat (Piantelli) hold up, that means CF per se
does not require litium or silicon. But perhaps electrochemical CF
does require them.
 
Also, I think that the Arata double structured cathode would effectively
exclude lithium from the active palladium black. The outer layer would
filter out everything but deuterium. That is what Pd is commonly used for.
 
- Jed
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1996.01.25 /  jedrothwell@de /  Re: Responses to T. Craven, M. Jones
     
Originally-From: jedrothwell@delphi.com
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Responses to T. Craven, M. Jones
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 22:42:41 -0500
Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice)

Bradley K. Sherman <bks@netcom.com> writes:
 
>So now we find out that Jed is only reporting
>what Cravens told him to report.  This is so
>bogus that even P.T. Barnum wouldn't try it
>on the public.
 
You idiot, can't you read? That is what I have been reporting over and over
again, in message after message. I said I did NOT check the first run, but
I checked the other three I observed. My God, how many times do I have
to repeat myself? This is crazy.
 
- Jed
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1996.01.26 / Bradley Sherman /  Re: Responses to T. Craven, M. Jones
     
Originally-From: bks@netcom.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Responses to T. Craven, M. Jones
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 00:52:45 GMT
Organization: Remote Fusion Reactor Reverse Entropy Associates

In article <xtDpwQ+.jedrothwell@delphi.com>,  <jedrothwell@delphi.com> wrote:
...
>measure it myself, and I was only there for about an hour, so I cannot
>verify that claim. I reported the numbers that he read out, and I saw that
...

So now we find out that Jed is only reporting
what Cravens told him to report.  This is so
bogus that even P.T. Barnum wouldn't try it
on the public.

    --bks

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1996.01.25 / A Plutonium /  Rest mass of photon = neutrino MEV/ neutron MEV
     
Originally-From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Newsgroups: sci.physics,alt.sci.physics.plutonium,sci.physics.electromag
sci.physics.particle,sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Rest mass of photon = neutrino MEV/ neutron MEV
Date: 25 Jan 1996 22:21:39 GMT
Organization: Plutonium College

In article <4dr7dg$3b@sulawesi.lerc.nasa.gov>
Geoffrey A. Landis <GLANDIS@lerc.nasa.gov> writes:

> Well, of course that isn't "proved" until an experimental test
> demonstrates that your theory's predictions are correct, and the
> prediction of GR is incorrect.  However, you have completed the first
> requirement of a scientific theory, which is that it make specific,
> verifiable predictions.

Since particle wave duality is Quantum Mechanics, we can ask if a
photon has rest mass then what would the rest mass likely to be? Rather
than go hunting and fishing  for any kind of number for a  rest mass,
what would the rest mass of the photon likely to be?

  I believe the rest mass of the photon would be the ratio of the total
system of the neutron when it decays into a proton plus electron plus
neutrino of a hydrogen atom in MEVs divided into the tiny MEV of the
neutrino. Photon rest mass is proportional to ratio of neutrino
MEV/neutron MEV. This of course was the discovery of the neutrino as
per Fermi of neutron decay.
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1996.01.26 / David Cohn /  Research Grade Optics Available
     
Originally-From: SDPX02A@prodigy.com (David Cohn)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Research Grade Optics Available
Date: 26 Jan 1996 04:16:50 GMT
Organization: Prodigy Services Company  1-800-PRODIGY

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1996.01.26 / Mark Burbidge /  Physics teachers are physicists
     
Originally-From: Mark@monark.ftech.co.uk (Mark Burbidge)
Newsgroups: sci.physics,alt.sci.physics.plutonium,sci.physics.electromag
sci.physics.particle,sci.physics.fusion,sci.astro,uk.education.teachers
Subject: Physics teachers are physicists
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 07:58:59 GMT
Organization: The Fresh Start Club

Additionally posted to uk.education.teachers, followups redirected to
uk.education.teachers and sci.physics

In a message posted on 14 Jan 1996 23:15:01 GMT to the newsgroup
sci.physics, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
>> : >On 30 Oct 1995, Herve Le Cornec wrote:
>> : >have time to converse with people or read books? I am (as I have pointed 
>> : >out previously) a physicist, and I can tell you that if you are going to 
>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>                     a teacher of physics but not a physicist

I resent this, Ar.Pl. A teacher of Physics has to THINK Physics all
day, and has to think of novel ways to try and provide some insight
for the next generation. A teacher has to be qualified in the main
subject they teach, and has generally undergone years of study in that
subject. Many teachers have also worked "in the field". I grant you
that teachers are not (usually) at the cutting edge of their subject -
however they are active participants within their subjects. If daily
participation in physics does not make you a physicist, then what
does?

Mark Burbidge

________________________________________________________________

"If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can 
possibly imagine"
"METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING, I SUPPOSE. DO YOU LIKE CATS?"
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1996.01.26 / Richard Blue /  Re: There is a protocol
     
Originally-From: blue@pilot.msu.edu (Richard A Blue)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: There is a protocol
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:35:21 GMT
Organization: Sci.physics.fusion/Mail Gateway

To quote Jed Rothwell:

jr= "There is a protocol . . . replicated by SRI, IMRA, Ed Storms, Dennis
jr=  Cravens."

Really?  My, Jed, you certainly do use the term protocol loosely.

SRI used D2O and Cravens using H2O.  If these are part of a common protocol
why would you not include the rubbing of two sticks together as a replication
of the same effect?

Beta Phase Loading?  How is that determined?  You talk about careful selection
of paladium cathodes as if Cravens spent days selecting individual beads.
Unfortunately all the testing you describe for solid cathodes would not seem to
apply to the plated beads.  Expansion and distortion of a 40 micron layer would
not have the same signature that a solid cathode might exhibit, would it?
One thing we do know about Cravens demo is that his control quickly failed.
Now if he was so careful why did this failure come as a surprise?

Protocol calls for cleanliness and rigorous exclusion of . . . organic
materials.  Right?  All that plastic tubing Cravens used was the special
inorganic kind of Tygon.

You failed to mention the electrolyte as being a significant part of the
protocol.  Is that because it so obviously contradicts your assertion that
there is a common, well defined protocol?  Is lithium hydroxide interchangable
with lithium sulfate in your book?

You talk the talk, Jed, of well defined protocols, but these people do not
follow the same protocol in any true sense of that word.  I would also remind
readers that not so long ago you were including ultrasound and mechanical
pumps in this same "CF protocol."

Dick Blue

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1996.01.26 / Hauke Reddmann /  Re: Neutrinos do not have mass, Dr. Hill is the wiser, Dr.
     
Originally-From: fc3a501@AMRISC02.math.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Reddmann)
Newsgroups: sci.physics,alt.sci.physics.plutonium,sci.physics.electromag
sci.physics.particle,sci.physics.fusion,sci.astro
Subject: Re: Neutrinos do not have mass, Dr. Hill is the wiser, Dr.
Date: 26 Jan 1996 11:50:30 GMT
Organization: University of Hamburg -- Germany

What do you mean with "Physicist say the 
Universe is structureless?"
We have galaxies and superheaps(?) at the top.
We have atoms and elementary particles at the bottom.
Sometimes we even find intelligent life in between.
Enough structure for me.
Or do you really mean "P. say the U. has no 'telos' -
no goal, no sense, no myth" ?
-- 
Hauke Reddmann <:-EX8 
fc3a501@math.uni-hamburg.de              UP AGAIN! HOORAY! 
fc3a501@rzaixsrv1.rrz.uni-hamburg.de     IF NOT 
reddmann@chemie.uni-hamburg.de           SCIENCE ONLY
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1996.01.26 / V Guruprasad /  Re: Goodby All
     
Originally-From: prasad@watson.ibm.com (V. Guruprasad)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Goodby All
Date: 26 Jan 1996 15:21:38 GMT
Organization: hardly

In article <ww7g2d6jxgs.fsf@flipper.nexen.com>, spain@flipper.nexen.com
(David Spain) writes:
|> Goodby Tom.
|> 
|> We'll add your name to those who have come and gone from
|> alt.cold-fusion ... sci.physics.fusion.

Ooops...  Sorry to hear about this "investigator_count--;".

Been too busy working on a (thermod.) paper and other things,
and may have missed recent s.p.f. events.  Will miss Tom...

==========
-- the
"I'm a s/w contractor, I love contracting the universe, it's a nice disease"
prasad

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1996.01.24 / Tim Mirabile /  Re: Why has Jupiter Retained it heat
     
Originally-From: tim@mail.htp.com (Tim Mirabile)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Why has Jupiter Retained it heat
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 01:09:57 GMT
Organization: None

rscott@falcon.ic.net (Robert Scott) wrote:

>J.R. Lee Chin (psjrl@cc.newcastle.edu.au) wrote:
>: >OK, dumb question, but why is the core of Jupiter still so hot. I can
>: >understand that as the planet was formed, the pressure increased causing
>: >the temperature to rise. But, since there is not nuclear fusion at the
>: >core, why has the heat not radiated away it the billions of years since it
>: >was formed? This is not a trick question, but one of curiosity. Thanks. 
>: > 
>
>: Presumably the same reason the earth is still so hot internally:  fission of naturally
>: occuring radioactive elements.                                    ^^^^^^^
>
>    Nonsense.  The earth and Jupiter are both hot because the rate of
>heat escaping is so slow that even over the estimated lifespan of these
>planets they still have as much heat as they do.  Surface to volume
>ratio can do wonders!  Run the numbers and see!

The fission part is nonsense (unless you consider an alpha emission to
be spontaneous "fission"), but _decay_ of radiactive elements does
contribute somewhat to the Earth 's internal heat.
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