Subject: Re: Bo Gritz and Racism

From: [email-masked] (Steve Crocker)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 09:51:32 GMT

Ted, are you suggesting that "Zionists"="The Jewish People"? I 
think we could find a lot of Jews to disagree with that one.
Gritz's critism of Zionist political power may be exaggerated,
but it is not equivalent to an attack on the Jewish people. There
is a substantial number of Jews who are critical of Zionism, and
probably even more who are apolitical.

-Steve

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From: [email-masked] (Ted Frank)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 13:43:17 GMT

>think we could find a lot of Jews to disagree with that one.

It's a standard code-word used to attack Jewish people and then
claim with all innocence "anti-Zionism isn't anti-Semitism."

Open your eyes, friend.  If you're looking for a statement to the
effect of "I hate all Jews and I'm an anti-Semite -- oops, what a 
giveaway!", you're not going to find it from Gritz any more than
you're going to find it from David Duke.

Every single defense you're using for Gritz can be applied to Duke,
which suggests to me that your standards for judging racism are a
hell of a lot too high.  Which is curious -- you're willing to believe
charges against Armitage with no backing evidence, but suddenly your
skepticism-meter arises to unfulfillable levels when there is more thna
just a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to the fact that Gritz
is an anti-Semite.

Let's just say that any one of these things by itself, yeah, sure, that's
not enough.  But it's not just one.  It's that *every* *single* *relevant*
statement or action by Gritz has anti-Semitic overtones (keyword is
relevant) -- I have yet to see any evidence that he's said anything
to defend himself from these accusations or done anything to disassociate
himself from the Nazis he supports.

>probably even more who are apolitical.

You know that and I know that, but Gritz's criticism of nonexistent
"Jewish bankers" indicates to me that he equates Zionists and Jews.
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ted frank                     | [email-masked] 
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the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

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From: [email-masked] (Peter Nelson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 19:10:47 GMT

>claim with all innocence "anti-Zionism isn't anti-Semitism."

  There was an article in today's Boston Globe about a judge 
  who used the word "Canadian" to refer to Jews.  He would say
  things like "brr, it's getting cold in here, must be a wind
  from Canada", or "Here comes the Montreal Express", when 
  any Jewish lawyer was about to enter his courtroom.  He
  would also refer to "Canada" when talking about Israel,
  and would talk about "Canadian preoccupation with money".

  I mean, I've heard Jews called lots of things before, but
  Canadian?!   Truly bizarre. 

>"Jewish bankers" indicates to me that he equates Zionists and Jews.

  The Globe also reported about a year ago that 9 of the 10
  largest banks in the world are Japanese.   How do the 
  international-Jewish-bankers-conspiracy fans fit this 
  information into their world view?   

---peter