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From: Bill Broadley <broadley@neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu>
Subject: waldorf/board production
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Having Waldorf produce the boards seems like a great idea, that will give
the project more freedom of design.

Bt my understanding GPL says nothing about no profit.  (I'm open to correction).

The way I understand it is a company can sell a piece of software under GPL
for any amount of money, but source must be made available, and the company
can't forbid you to copy/distribute it.

So I would think if your going to require Waldorf to produce boards at no
profit don't justify it with GPL.  

It seems Waldorf has alot to offer: smt, design skills, more clout with
parts suppliers, etc.  In the original design we were going to
pay a company to produce the boards at a profit, why is it different
with Waldorf?

Last thing I would want to happen is have Waldorf withdrawl from there
offer because of the potential costs to them.   I.e. email/phone support,
warranty.

In summary I'm 100% for Waldorf's participation in the project.
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From adyer@zarniwoop  Ukn Jul  6 21:45:13 1993
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I haven't seen this hardware GPL, but I would want the following to be
freely available:

Schematics in a non-proprietary format (EDIF)
CAD data in a non-proprietary format (gerber)
All programmable logic in some format - be it ABEL, PALASM, CUPL
  whatever

So what design systems are out there?  I have ViewLogic and Valid for 
capture (at work).  Perhaps we could design the board using mostly free tools
running under Linux on x86s?


 
From caret@pyramid.com  Ukn Jul  7 01:01:22 1993
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> I haven't seen this hardware GPL, but I would want the following to be
> freely available:
> 
> Schematics in a non-proprietary format (EDIF)

Schematics would be GPL.

> CAD data in a non-proprietary format (gerber)

waldorf are considering doing the PCB CAD, which means that this
and the gerber would not be covered by the GPL.

> All programmable logic in some format - be it ABEL, PALASM, CUPL
>   whatever

The stuff would be GPL'ed.  In short, anything that we design ourselves
is GPL.  Anything the production company does (Waldorf) belongs to them.
I think this is fine.  Once the schematics are right, its not too hard
to make a PCB.

> So what design systems are out there?  I have ViewLogic and Valid for 
> capture (at work).  Perhaps we could design the board using mostly free tools
> running under Linux on x86s?

Could 'ocean' (chip design software) be used to maintain schematics for
a board rather than a chip?

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