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As I have received more enquiries about English Chinese machine
translation softwares, I decide to send the following message to the
net. (Haizi: I got your second message and tried in vain to send a reply to
you: perhaps your email address is wrong?? Anyway you can read this.)
Forwarded message:
> From wei Tue Feb  4 14:37:19 1992
> From: LI Wei <wei@uk.ac.umist.ccl>
> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 92 14:37:17 GMT
> To: luphouh@engin.umich.edu
> Subject: Re: more about PC Translation software
> Cc: kaiying@uk.ac.umist.ccl, nie@iro.umontreal.ca, wei@uk.ac.umist.ccl
>
> TRANSTAR (TRANslation + STAR, like WORDSTAR, not TRNASTAR) is an
English-Chinese Machine Translation System  designed and developed by
Prof. DONG Zhendong and his group and was put to market 3 or 4 years
ago. In the last few years they have developed var> ious technical
dictionaries to enlarge its coverage. In the Mainland China, this is a
very popular software and there was once a special issue of the
newspaper Computer World introducing this software. Further
information can be obtained from an instituti> on formerly named
China's Software Techniques Company. (ZHONG1GUO2 RUAN3JIAN4 JI4SHU4
GONG1SI1, or ZHONG1 RUAN3 GONG1SI1, which originally was located in
Haidian District in the campus of HANG2KONG1 XUE2YUAN4) I forgot the
present name of this company.
> I am myself a machine translation researcher for over 8 years, and personally
 I think that TRANSTAR is really better than any other marketed English-Chinese
 MT systems. But still, don't expect too much. MT is a truly difficult research
 and  engineering su> bject. Just think how difficult a human learns a foreign
 language. However, if you have some technical materials  which need fast
 translation, try it and perhaps you will be happy enough to accept the machine
 translation.
> There are other MT projects under development and the quality should
be better than TRANSTAR. In one or two years, more products will be
available, including the one I have been working at. Wait and see!
> Wei LI
>
P.S. The good news is that TRANSTAR is going to appear in the American
software market. Friends told me that negotiations are underway. As
far as I know, although most users are in the mainland, there are a
few foreign buyers. The price in China is about 10,000 yuan. But with
enlarged dictionaries in various subject areas, the newest version may
be somewhat more expensive. I have got no idea, however, about the
price to sell it abroad.

Besides there is also a Chinese to English software available in that
company with the price about the same. But I don't think there are
users who would like to use it unless for fun. I don't mean the
designer did a poor job. I quite admire him for his effort. But the
work is TOO difficult to be practical in forseeable future. Chinese
analysis and understanding are truly difficult: it is a good and
stimulating research topic but not a right choice for engineering
software project.

English has been most widely studied and still there are quite some
problems in analysing it. Generally, the ambiguous nature of human
languages makes it hard. However, time has seen remarkable progress in
the last few years in the area of natural language processing and
machine translation. As for Chinese information processing, the most
advance is with Chinese characters' processing. Chinese analysis at
syntactic and semantic level, which is the prerequisite for Chinese
understanding and Chinese to other language translation, is still in
its ABC stage. Experiments show that Chinese generation is much easier
than Chinese analysis. That is why an MT system from a foreign
language to Chinese is more likely to succeed that the one from
Chinese to another language. Of course, to generate "pure" (DAO4DI4)
Chinese is by no means an easy job. But to generate some
"understandable" (or "horse-horse-tiger-tiger"--MAMAHUHU) Chinese or
Chinglish sentence is not difficult.

Wei LI

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Speaking about English Chinese machine translation software, is there
possibly a public domain English-Chinese electronic dictionary ?  I would
be very interested in writing a dictionary program on the Mac if such a
database does exist.  It would in fact be a good Chinese input method for a
lot of people.

Thanks.

-Tom

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Those who are not interested in machine translation in China, just
ignore this message. (Haizi: as you can see I sent this message to
Rose and copied it to you by the address you gave me. But the message
was returned: what's wrong?) Wei


Forwarded message:
> From wei Fri Feb  7 13:39:51 1992
> From: LI Wei <wei@uk.ac.umist.ccl>
> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 92 13:39:47 GMT
> To: rose@de.uni-trier.utrurt
> Subject: Re:  TRANSTAR
> Cc: haizi@unixg.ubc.ca, kaiying@uk.ac.umist.ccl, wei@uk.ac.umist.ccl
>
>
> 	Hello Wei,
>
> 	I just read your mail about machine translation software with Chinese
> 	either as source- or as target-language.
> 	Well, my magister thesis is about "automatic translation of Chinese
> 	language" - and this is the reason why I am sending you this mail.
> 	If you should know some more details about TRANSTAR (or any other Chinese
> 	MT-System) or generally about aspects and methods in Chinese MT, I would
> 	be very thankful for any hint from you. Perhaps you can advice some
> 	good literature the above topic.
>
> Reply to Annette:
>
> It is quite surprising that your thesis is about Chinese MT in a German
 university. (You are not a Chinese, I suppose?) Well, it is a long story.
>
> China began its research on MT as early as 1957. The first successful MT
 translation system from Russian into Chinese was accomplished in 1958. In such
 a long history of research (over 30 years, really long enough, compared with
 the fast developing  compu> ter technology, but there was aperiod 1966-1975 of
 stagnation due to the Chinese political "ALPAC" Great Cultural Revolution),
 there have been various institutions (previously about ten, now nearly every
 major university plus quite a number of  research i> nstitutes) and many
 researchers involved in the work. And the research is little known to the
 outside world due to various reasons (lack of financial support for attending
 international conferences and academic exchange of ideas, etc.).
>
> Most documents are in the Chinese language published or unpublished. In the
 past every two years we had a national MT conference and the proceedings were a
 good source of information (but not available abroad: in fact the proceedings
 are not in a book for> m, every participant has a colection of papers). More
 recently, more such conferences mainly organized by the Chinese Information
 Processing Society are held every now and then. There is a journal called
 Journal of Chinese Information Processing (ZHONG1WE> N2 XIN4XI1 XUE2BAO4)
 edited by the Society monthly appearing from which you may find papers on MT
 concerning Chinese. Such papers may also appear in various journals published
 in China.
>
> We in our institute (Institute of Linguistics, Chinese Academy of Social
 Sciences, which was the first to start the MT research and has been a centre
 for MT for many years) have published a few things:
>
> 1. Introduction to Machine Translation
>    by Liu Yongquan, Liu Zhuo and Gao Zushun
>    (a book published in 1966 (?) from which you can find a general description
 of Chinese MT in its first stage)
>
> 2. A Selection of MT Papers
>    (1978, internally published to provide materials for post graduates in MT
 research)
>
> 3. MT in China
>    (1980?, a selection of MT papers,compiled by Liu Yongquan)
> 4. Language and Computer (I, II, III)
>    (the IV issue, already compiled, was cancled for lack of money)
>
> The above document is not easy to obtain, especially 1 and 2.
>
> There are also some papers written in English and published abroad mostly in
 some international conference proceedings. The paper MT in China by Prof Dong
 Zhendong appeared in New Direction in Machine Translation in 1988 (the
 proceedings of the MT confere> nce in Summer 1988 in Budapest organized by
 BSO/Research, the Netherlands) and our paper JFY-IV Machine Translation System
 in the proccedings of MT SUMMIT II (Munich, 08.1989) were two.
>
> As for systems, there are quite a number: a few already marketed, more in
 progress. I can just list a few which I can remember well:
>
> Marketed:
>
> 1. TRANSTAR English-Chinese System  (ZHONG1RUAN3GONG1SI1)
> 2. Chinese-English Syetem (the name of the system forgotten,
 ZHONG1RUAN3GONG1SI1)
> 3. Marcopolo English-Chinese System (Xin4tong1 Company)
> 4. A System by Liu Xiaoshu (marketed at the same time of TRANSTAR
> (another very compact PC English-Chinese MT system which produces not-good
 translation but exceptionally fast. The system was designed by Liu Xiaoshu, my
 old friend and was written in assembly language, sorry to have forgotten the
 name: it is not always e> asy to remember a system's name. But TRANSTAR has got
 a good name to remember although in the research history of this system the
 name has been changed several times. From this fact you may know MT system
 establishment really takes a long time. Also Liu X> iaoshu's system, although
 small compared to TRANSTAR, took him almost ten years to accomplish but this
 was a product resulting almost entirely from his own work: only occasionally he
 found some aide to help a little. Another thing is that Liu Xiaoshu mana> ged
 to publish a number of papers about his system abroad in various conference
 proceedings.)
>
> Under development and/or experimental systems (too many to be listed fully,
 but I'll try to name a few typical ones from my memory)
>
> 1. JFY English-Chinese Systems
>    (designed by Prof. Liu Zhuo and his group, and for six years I was
 responsible for establishment of linguistic data base for JFY-V: dictionaries,
 grammar, semantic base, etc. To be marketed soon by Beijing Gaoli Software
 Company Limited)
>
> 2. XTRAN English-Chinese MT system by Prof. HUANG Xiuming (there are quite
 some documentation about this system available in English. The designer was a
 researcher in our insitute of linguistics, and now works in Australia)
>
> 3. English-Chinese MT System by Chen Shaoxiong in Academia Sinica
>
> 4. Chinese-Japanese and Japanese-Chinese Systems
>    (This is part of the Japan's multilingual ODA MT project, various Chinese
 institutions have contributed and are contributing to this work.)
>
> 5. Chinese to English/German/French/Russian?/Japanese MT Experimental System
>
> 6. Esperanto-Chinese/English EChA MT Experimental System
>    (my master's experiment)
>
> 7. Some systems from French to Chinese, from German to Chinese, from Japanese
 to Chinese etc.
>
> Well I am a bit tired now. And the information may not be exact in every
 detail. Just for reference. When I find sth., I will try to provide more
 detailed information. I have got no time today to talk about the approaches
 applied in these systems and the > difference between the methods in China and
 the outside world. This is more difficult to make clear, but I do find
 something which is interesting.
>
> Wei
>

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Hello all!

The English version of CHinDEX is now available! It gives the
exact page number(s) of any looked-up characters in "A Chinese-
English Dictionary", Beijing: Shangwu yinshuguan, 1985.

For further information contact the author at:
	   "bohn@utrurt.uucp"
	or "...!unido!utrurt!bohn"
	or "bohn%utrurt@unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de"


------------------------------------------------------------
			C H i n D E X

		   the Electronic Index to
	       "A Chinese-English Dictionary"
			     and
	  "Das Neue Chinesisch-Deutsche Woerterbuch"
		       by Hartmut Bohn

	       (Demo version available on ftp!)
------------------------------------------------------------

CHinDEX - and looking up Chinese characters becomes a pleasure!


* The ideal tool for people who have to do a large quantity of
  translation from Chinese to English or German!

* Highly optimized radical index with graphical user interface,
  ordering of radicals according to radical productivity,
  multiple indexing of characters and consideration of character
  lookup frequencies!

* Optimized Pinyin index. You forgot the correct tone? No problem!

* Simplified four corner index - nothing is faster!

* Stroke index of characters hard to identify.

* In the full version, as the result of the lookup all pronun-
  ciations and corresponding page number(s) of the selected
  character in the dictionary are given!

* Change lookup method with a single mouse click!

* Favourite lookup method can be preset!

* All character lists are ordering dynamically according to
  individual lookup frequency!

* Can be used both as program and desk accessory! Dictionary
  lookup from within your word processor!

* Indexes to other special dictionaries planned!

Hardware requirements:

  ATARI ST/STE with monochrome monitor (SM 124)
  and at least 1 MB of RAM. Hard disc recommended.

A demo version is available via ftp at:

  kth.se (130.237.72.201) in the directory "CJK/atari/CHINDEX"



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There is an electronic dictionary of Chinese-English computing
terminology (no software or definitions; only word lists) at
moers2.edu.tw; I think the directory is /chinese-pub/dictionary.

The list is quite large, consisting of seven compressed files of
a few hundred K each.  However, there is duplication in that the same
information is presented both in list format and in .DBF (dBase)
format.  I'm not sure how much value these will have for you, since
the terminology seems somewhat old and geared toward large archaic
computing environments.  Also a lot of the Chinese is just literal
translations of long phrases e.g. "online batch processing system
statistical monitoring module"  (I made that one up, but there are
a fair number of entries like that).  So it would take quite a bit of
work to extract a core list of phrases from this.  Nevertheless, it
might be helpful to some.

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> Also Ed Lai's Chinese dictionary will also be in trouble.

You cannot run the dictionary stack 0.3 in 6.03, that is one reason I hate
the new system. Anyway, I am close to converting it over, I just want to see
if more changes is need for HyperCard 2.0.

For those who don't know what it is, it is a HyperCard stack dictionary of
all the characters in either GB or Big-5. I am looking at the issues of
how you can make an electronic dictionary easier to use. However the stack
will be missing what is consider the gut of a dictionary, i.e. the meaning
of a word or its translation.

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From: LI Wei <wei@ccl.umist.ac.uk>
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Reply to Haizi:

There are some PC English Chinese Machine Translation Softwares
available on the market. Most only produce poor quality translation
but can be used for reference. The one very popular and claiming to
reach around 70% precision is called TRANSTAR. This is a system
designed out of many years' work and is really among the best in the
world of MT.

WEI

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You can find a complete table of hanyu pinyin and Wade-Giles spellings
on pp. 558-560 of "The Chinese-English Dictionary" published by

Heian International, Inc.
PO Box 1013
Union City, CA 94857

This dictionary is $14.95 in paperback, and should be available at most
good university bookstores.

The same table can also be found on pp. 873-879 of "An Everyday
Chinese-English Dictionary" published (at $12.95) by Hippocrene Books,
Inc., 171 Madison Ave., New York, NY 10016

I do not know off-hand of any corresponding table for hanyu pinyin and
the Yale system, but here is a conversion table for all the differences

INITIALS    Pinyin    Yale
            c         ts
            (ch = ch)
            q         ch (before i or y)
            x         s (before y)
            z         dz
            zh        j (except before i or y)

MEDIALS    Pinyin    Yale
           -i-       -y-
           -u-       -w-

FINALS    Pinyin     Yale
          ao         au
          iu         you
          o          wo        Ex. Pinyin bo = Yale bwo
          ong        ung
          ui         wei
          un         wun

FULL SYLLABLES    Pinyin            Yale
                  ci                tsz
                  ju                jyu
                  jun               jyun
                  lu (u umlaut)     lyu
                  nu (u umlaut)     nyu
                  nue (u umlaut)    nywe
                  qu                chyu
                  quan              chywan
                  que               chywe
                  ri                r
                  shi               shr
                  si                sz
                  xu                syu
                  xuan              sywan
                  xue               sywe
                  xun               syun
                  zhi               jr
                  zi                dz

This table is taken from "Reading and Writing Chinese" by William
McNaughton, Charles E. Tuttle Co, Rutland, Vermont.

Ned VanderVen
Physics Dept.
Carnegie Mellon University

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Hello,

I am thinking about porting CHinDEX (the electronic index to "A Chinese
English Dictionary" and "Das neue Chinesisch-Deutsche Woerterbuch") to
another computer. The question is: Mac or MS Windows.

Personally, I prefer the Mac, but I know that programming this machine
is anything but simple. I also wonder how wide-spread the Mac is among
Chinese language students and sinologues. On the other hand, is every-
body who has a PC able to run Windows 3.X?

If you have any strong arguments for or against porting the program
to one or the other machine (other than "I own a xyz, so you better
port it to that machine" =:u)))), please let me know!

Awaiting your opinions,
			Hartmut


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>Date Entered: 10-20-92 05:29
>
>In urgent need of exact name and source of a good software 
>English/Chinese dictionary. Email, please, and thanks in 
>advance.
>
>---
>   RoseReader 1.70 P001018: ... From Toronto, Canada
>   RM 2.00 : RoseNet<=>Usenet Gateway : Rose Media 416-733-2285


	I do have English/Chinese Dictionary (Card version w/
software) the size of the dictionary is 70,000 +  
	you will need ETEN Chinese System to use this program.
I'm selling this because I'm no longer using it.  Bought new in  
Taiwan for $3000NT  I'll sell it for $50.00 (including shipping  
in US.)

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From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Mon Nov  9 02:01:56 1992
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I saw READ.ME file. It is Big5 coded Chinese file. It looks like an English-
Chinese Dirtionary Progamm. I only have PART1.EXE, but others. Who know this
program ? Is it a fpt available program ? Help !

The following is my translation of READ.ME.

D. Chu

--------------------- READ.ME ------------------------------

A SOFTWARE PACKAGE OF ENGLISH-CHINESE DICTIONARY: CDX
FUNCTION: To look up English words in Chinese. Ex. for words like com, comput,
          computer elctronic ..., you can see corresponding Chinese
          explanations or meaning of abriations.

PROGRAM: CDXQRY.EXE

DATABASE & INDEX FILES: A-WORD.DBS, .... Z-WORD.DBS
                        A-WORD.NDX, .... Z-WORD.DBS

INSTALLATION AND EXECUTION OF THE PROGRAMM:

    1. Make a diretory: CDX (MD CDX). Then copy all PART1.EXE, ... PART7.EXE
       to CDX.
    2. Change directory to CDX (CHDIR CDX). Run sequentially PART1.EXE till
       PART7.EXE. All of these are self-extracted files.
    3. After finishing above step 1 and 2, you will obtain all the program
       files, database files, and index files.
    4. Under the same diretory, type CDXQRY to begin the program.

NOTE:

    1. All the files have to be put under the same directory.
    2. It requires about 20 MB at your hard drive. When running self-extracted
       files, you need at least 500k RAM; otherwise "Not enough memory to run
       the program" message will appear.

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>
> I saw READ.ME file. It is Big5 coded Chinese file. It looks like an English-
> Chinese Dirtionary Progamm. I only have PART1.EXE, but others. Who know this
> program ? Is it a fpt available program ? Help !
>
> The following is my translation of READ.ME.
>
> D. Chu

The ftp site is moers2.edu.tw [140.111.2.22].  The CDX is a
English-Chinese dictionary, which uses 26 DBASE III database files to
store data. It is only useful if you have a PC with a BIG5 chinese
system, and you really like/understand its strange tranlation (at least
for me).

I also found something insteresting in crl.nmsu.edu [128.123.1.14].

$$ eng-chi.b5              English-Chinese word list (~7700 Big5 entries)
$$ eng-chi.zip             MSDOS English->Chinese word lookup dictionary
$$                        (1988 Kwok-Leung Li; Chinese Service Center, NY)

However, I had no luck to unzip eng-chi.zip file. Anyone can help?


W. SUN

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>
> >
> > I saw READ.ME file. It is Big5 coded Chinese file. It looks like an English-
> > Chinese Dirtionary Progamm. I only have PART1.EXE, but others. Who know this
> > program ? Is it a fpt available program ? Help !
> >
> > The following is my translation of READ.ME.
> >
> > D. Chu
>
> The ftp site is moers2.edu.tw [140.111.2.22].  The CDX is a
> English-Chinese dictionary, which uses 26 DBASE III database files to
> store data. It is only useful if you have a PC with a BIG5 chinese
> system, and you really like/understand its strange tranlation (at least
> for me).
>

It is also on-line available:

TELNET NCTUCCCA.edu.tw or 140.111.3.21
login: hytelnet

choose: <TAIWAN> <TWD000> <TWD001>

All the best,
--
Huang, Chih-Hsien
Campus Computer Communication Association Vice President
TWNEWS Moderator, NCTUCCCA.edu.tw Anonymous FTP Archives Maintainer
National Chiao Tung University, Hsinchu, Taiwan
hch@NCTUCCCA.edu.tw

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My HyperCard dictionary stack, which is available on ftp.apple.com, in
the directory /pub/lai has stroke count for big 5 characters.

And if by Grapheme you mean the radical subcomponent, like autumn = cereal +
fire, then I have about 70% of the data for GB. The missing 30% are either
because they are difficult to break down, or the subcomponent is definitely
a graphical unit, but it is not in the GB code, since I use GB for the
subcomponent as well, I do not know how to express it.

It should not be difficult to write HyperTalk scripts to extract them. For
those without access to HyperCard, I can dump the data out but I am too busy
to do it for at least another week.

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I just got two ads.  They are "first in the world".  Share with you.

(1)  Hanyi
==========

Hanyi stands for Chinese (Han) Translation (Yi).

o  Chinese to English & Chinese to Japanese;
o  > 80,000 words/phrases;
o  > 1,000 rules;
o  4,500 Hz/Hr. (PC-386)

contact:
Ye Feng, Li He,
Dept. of Language Eng.
Chinese Software Co.
# 55, Xueyuan nanlu, Haidian,
Beijing, 100081
Fax:  86 1 831 2543
Tel:  86 1 831 5317


(2)  Insun
==========

Insun is a pinyin sentence input system.

o  PC based.
o  sentence input
o  highly compressed multi-layer knowledge base;
o  automatic machine learning;
o  multi-pinyin coding;
o  RMB480 (<US$80)

contact:
Wang Xiaolong,
Dept. of Computer,
Harbin Polytechnic Univ.,
Harbin, 150006,
Tel: 86 541 321000 ext. 3322

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* Hi, I once help you to put CHINDEX.LZH onto ifcss.org ftp
* site software/atari directory.  Did I put in the right directory?
* Is it the information on stroke index?  Can you write a README`
* file for it?
*
* Happy holidays.
*
* Yuan

I'll put the CHINDEX.readme into you incoming directory,
so you can put it into the atari directory!


Thanks for your help!

      Hartmut

P.S. Someone deleted the data files Character==>Pinyin I put into
that director because of copyright questions. Anyway, the files
can be found on the CRL.NMSU.EDU server.

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Hi, Yuan Jiang:

An English/Chinese, German/Chinese dictionary engine with more than 14 MB
dictionay entries is to be finished in a couple of weeks. Because of the
work done by many people (and paid) it has to be a commercial one. My question
is, dear Mr. Yuan Jiang and other dear netters, what enviroment and what
user interface do YOU prefer:

[1]     stand-alone program under DOS for manuell input and look-up;
[2]     stand-alone program under w. Windows for " ";
[3]     TSR program with an integrated CCDOS, for look-up from applications
        directly (using hot-key);
[4]     Application under Chinese Windows for copy&paste?

Since I have to focus my work on one or maximal two items of above, I am
making a survey using this network. Please tell me your invaluable opinion!
(If you choose [4], please specify which C-Windows you are using.)

Please send your e-mail to

        ucc02au@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de

Many thanks in advance!!!


Hu Bo

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Dear friends,

Applaud for the guys in CSIE (dept of Comp Sci and Info Eng), National
Jiao Tong University in Taiwan.  They made an English-Chinese dictionary
availabe for us.  You can

        telnet ccsun11.csie.nctu.edu.tw 1111

(The IP address is 140.113.209.5, and don't forget the 1111, the
port number.)  You will be prompted with "word:".  I tried
words like applaud, nostalgia, kitsch and it answered correctly.
So I think they have a fairly useful database.  Wildcards * and ?
are acceptable in their usual meanings.  Their pronunciation marks
are interesting too.  Check with a few examples and you will learn
the symbols.

Within Taiwan, the connection usually takes three seconds.  I don't
think it would be too slow for the world.

But, it is coded in Big-5 (sorry, for some guys).

By the way, this service is also accessible from their gopher server.

-Shann

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Dear netters,
   Both at the FTP sites belonging to JiaoTong Daxue (TW) and MOE (TW),
there is an electronic data dictionary available in 7 parts.

   Last time I had trouble running it due to insufficient disk space.

   Now I still have trouble unpacking the file called PART5.EXE, it's
only 4096 bytes.

   First, I wonder why this file is so small now. I remember it as
having been bigger earlier.

   But why can't I run it / unpack it? I downloaded it in BINARY mode.

Anyone else having had trouble with PART5.EXE?

Regards,

Ingar

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Hi,

Thank you all for reacting so quickly and numeriously to my inquiries.
Some aspects should be mentioned in this context:

1) The dictionaries are basically developed by Prof. Heinzl, TU Munich and
is a part of "Munich [input] System".
2) A Windows stand-alone version which I mean does NOT enable the user
to put any Chinese character into his applications. It will only show
Chinese characters in 16x16 bitmap.
3) There will be no version for MS-Win 3.1 if it only supports Big 5. The
original text of the dictionaries is simplified Chinese. A conversion
on-fly does not fulfill the standard which we anticipate from a dictionary.
4) I am sorry not to have asked some of you - Mac users. Here a consolation:
An English company is already working on a Mac version. In Prof. Heinzl's
original words: "To help the second generation of American Chinese learn
their(?) language endly".


Thank you all again and best wishes


Bo

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On Tue, 24 Aug 1993, Guorong HU (Roger) wrote:

> Could somebody there tell me the infoemation about English to Chinese
> transltor software. Commercial or shareware. Where I can get them and
> how about price (if it is commercial). Thanks in advance.
>
> - Roger

Please contact: Andy's International Co.
                1021 Grant Ave. #5
                San Francisco
                415-291-0907
Price: $179

I have observed the operation. The translation is primitive.

Tianwei Xie
UC Davis

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if you have gopher, you can access an online english <-> chinese dictionary
by addding the following two bookmarks to your ~/.gopherrc:

#
Type=7
Name=-^:~Cc(e-[English to Chinese Dictionary]
Path=cdict_csie
Host=gopher.csie.nctu.edu.tw.
Port=4320
#
Type=7
Name=:~-^Cc(e-[Chinese to English Dictionary]
Path=7/dict/bin/edict
Host=gopher.csie.nctu.edu.tw.
Port=70

or if you don't have gopher you can try telnet:
telnet gopher.csie.nctu.edu.tw 4270


also make sure you big5 environment or use hztty to convert to gb.

enjoy,

nelson

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On Mon, 28 Feb 1994, Curtis Smith wrote:

> enough yet. This is actually simply his earlier Chu-chen ~{>[Ud~}system,
> with a few minor revisions. There is a book out on this system, although I
> doubt that it could be bought any longer.

It is good to know that Mr. Chu is willing to put the system on the net.
I think it is still possible to buy the book in U.S.  Anyone interested
please e-mail me and maybe I could help to contact the publisher here and
those who need the book could call the publisher.

James Lin

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> I am interested in translation software (from English to Chinese and Chinese to
> English).I appreciate any recommendations and experiences related to such
> software. I have posed the inquiry on LINGUIST and CHINESE-NET, which generates
> a lot of interests but no recommendations or experience. I hope that I will get
> the information needed from this discussion group. Thanks.
> 

We have translation software for both directions on ETen/DOS and Chinese 
Windows environment.  However, my opinion in that these software are 
really far from perfect.  You must spend some time doing some post editing.
However, the one from English to Chinese will have some side benefit - 
the system already generate a lot of Chinese, you don't have to type them in.

James Lin


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 syrtnlomthromaoh hs
I am sorry for a techinical problem with the previous message.                 
	                                                                                     
To:	MLZHOU
CC:	
Subj:	sum: translation software

I made an inquiry about translation software (from Chinese 
to English and English to Chinese) about a week ago. I really 
appreciate the responses I have got from this net.  I put the 
information in this package, since there are more people 
who showed interest in such softwares than those who
were able to provide the information.
Thanks again.

Minglang Zhou


>From Wally Frick, Dept. of Language Studies, 
Edith Cowan University, Perth,Western Australia. e-mail: w.frick@cowan.edu.











au or:wfrick@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au.
There is a program called Marco Polo which was developed 
in part by a company called Syntone, of 31 Haidian Lu, 
Haidian District, Beijing. Fax prefix for China and 
Beijing plus 2562966. The Chinese to English
version viewed in 1991 was quite good and efficient. 
The English to Chinese required considerable 
post-editing as it did not handle idiomatic
speech well. E.g. How time flies was translated with :
Shijian kuai fei. I am also in possession of a copy of 
Turbotranslator which was developed back in the late 
eighties but which has some programming bugs which the
Australian marketing agents of this program could not sort out. 
Taiwan too has done considerable work. A company associated 
with the Taiwan Normal University should be ablet to assist. 
Also you could check the various listings under the worldwide 
Chinese archives allowing anonymous ftp. These are 
ifcss.org, cnd.org, cs.urdue.edu and in Taiwan %telnet archie.
TWNIC.NET or NCTUCCCA.edu.tw or 192.83.166.10 or 
140.111.1.10 login: archie. 

>From Sue Zeng, University of Hawaii>
I heard that in Taiwan (Taiwan University??) they are 
developing software for this, but it may be for high 
school students.  That's all I can offer!
>From ericscot@ucssun1.sdsu.edu  "Eric Scott"
There is a Company here in the San Diego area which 
specializes in Asian Language software called Garjack 
International, Inc. They sell a product called Bi-Ling writer 
which translates between English and Chinese. It runs 
under DOS. I have not had the pleasure of using it,
so I can't vouch for it one way or another. Their address:
Garjack International, Inc.
5330 Carroll Canyon Rd.
San Diego, CA
92121.
Voice:  (800) 833-7088
FAX:    (619) 625-3828

>From Anne Gilman: 
Don't know if this would be any help, but I recently saw
a demo of "Bamboo Helper", transliteration software that
can go from the Taiwanese standard character representations
(Big-G?) to whichever romanization you'd like, from Wade-Giles
to pinyin, and it also pulls up the entry (or page) number
of where to find that character in one of the most popular
dictionaries. I know this does not even come close to being 
-translation-but I thought it might be of interest.
 
>From M. K. Shen /shen@lrz-muenchen.de
Many many years ago I happened to know that there 
was activity in machine translation in the Chinese University 
of Hongkong.  Perhaps it isn't a bad idea if you make enquiry 
there.  Let me know if you do get useful informations
>From nelson chin /butta1@BU.edu
there's a english <=> chinese dictionary available by gopher 
from taiwan.
 
>From Wenting Yang/yang@ecf.toronto.edu
I know there was such a commercial softawre in Beijing three
years when I left China. It costs about 10,000-20,000
Renminbi which depends on how many parts you need.
I ever tried to use it. I don't know if there
are any similiar softwares available via anonymous
FTP on the network. If you get any info about it,
pls let me know. I guess the probability of this
is very small.

>From Wally Frick, Dept. of Language Studies, 
Edith Cowan University, Perth,Western Australia. e-mail: w.frick@cowan.edu.au or:wfrick@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au.
There is a program called Marco Polo which was developed 
in part by a company called Syntone, of 31 Haidian Lu, 
Haidian District, Beijing. Fax prefix for China and Beijing 
plus 2562966. The Chinese to English version viewed 
in 1991 was quite good and efficient. The English to
Chinese required considerable post-editing as it did not 
handle idiomatic speech well. E.g. How time flies was 
translated with :Shijian kuai fei. I am also in possession 
of a copy of Turbotranslator which was developed
back in the late eighties but which has some programming 
bugs which the Australian marketing agents of this program 
could not sort out. Taiwan too has done considerable work. 
A company associated with the Taiwan Normal University 
should be ablet to assist. Also you could check the
various listings under the worldwide Chinese archives 
allowing anonymous ftp. These are 
ifcss.org, cnd.org, cs.urdue.edu and in Taiwan %telnet
archie.TWNIC.NET or NCTUCCCA.edu.tw or 192.83.166.10 
or 140.111.1.10 login: archie. 

>From Sue Zeng, University of Hawaii>
I heard that in Taiwan (Taiwan University??) they are 
developing software for this, but it may be for high 
school students.  That's all I can offer!

>From ericscot@ucssun1.sdsu.edu  "Eric Scott"
There is a Company here in the San Diego area which 
specializes in Asian Language software called Garjack 
International, Inc. They sell a product called Bi-Ling writer 
which translates between English and Chinese. It runs 
under DOS. I have not had the pleasure of using it,
so I can't vouch for it one way or another. Their address:
Garjack International, Inc.
5330 Carroll Canyon Rd.
San Diego, CA
92121.
Voice:  (800) 833-7088
FAX:    (619) 625-3828

>From Anne Gilman: 
Don't know if this would be any help, but I recently saw
a demo of "Bamboo Helper", transliteration software that
can go from the Taiwanese standard character representations
(Big-G?) to whichever romanization you'd like, from Wade-Giles
to pinyin, and it also pulls up the entry (or page) number
of where to find that character in one of the most popular
dictionaries. I know this does not even come close to being 
-translation-but I thought it might be of interest.
 
>From M. K. Shen /shen@lrz-muenchen.de
Many many years ago I happened to know that there 
was activity in machine translation in the Chinese University 
of Hongkong.  Perhaps it isn't a bad idea if you make 
enquiry there.  Let me know if you do get useful informations

>From nelson chin /butta1@BU.edu
there's a english <=> chinese dictionary available by gopher 
from taiwan.
 
>From Wenting Yang/yang@ecf.toronto.edu
I know there was such a commercial softawre in Beijing three
years when I left China. It costs about 10,000-20,000
Renminbi which depends on how many parts you need.
I ever tried to use it. I don't know if there
are any similiar softwares available via anonymous
FTP on the network. If you get any info about it,
pls let me know. I guess the probability of this
is very small.

>From Jianhua Bai, Kenyon college
When I was at Univ. of Pittsburgh, someone from the School of
Library and Information Scicence was developing translation
programs from English to Chinese and from Chinese to English.
But I don't remember his name. Maybe you can write a letter
and see if they can help you find the person:
School of Library and Information Science
University of Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh, PA 15260

From:   IN%"chase@netcom.com"  "James Lin"
We have translation software for both directions on 
ETen/DOS and Chinese Windows environment.  However, 
my opinion in that these software are really far from perfect.  
You must spend some time doing some post editing.
However, the one from English to Chinese will have 
some side benefit -the system already generate a lot of Chinese, 
you don't have to type them in.

From:   IN%"ONEILLP@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu"  
"Patricia O'Neill-Brown"
I consulted Volume IV Issue I of Multilingual Computing 
Magazine and 2 products were listed under Chinese MT. 
Descriptions follow.
1. Marco Polo Multilingual System for MS/DOS
Source: Cheng & Tsui
25 West St., Boston MA 02111
617-426-6074
617-426-3669 Fax
No internet address
Documentation: Printed.
Price: $350/$500
Languages: Chinese, French, German, Greek, Italian, Japanese,
Portuguese, Russian, Spanish.
Type: General Applications, Machine Translation, Writing and
Publishing.
Description: Ten language DOS shell, word processor, super
organizer and spreadsheet. Works as a Chinese, Japanese or English
based system. Other languages also available. On-line dictionary.
Separate simplified and traditional Chinese character versions.
Japanese Kanji/Kana term input by Romaji or Kana. Chinese input by
Pinyin, Cang Hie, G.B. Code, Telegraph, 5 stroke, Qu Wei and
English. The other languages accessed by pressing function keys.
Requirements: VGA or EGA graphics. Disk Formats 3 1/2", 5 1/4".
2. Multilingual Dictionary Database for MS/DOS
Source: Harrap Publishing Group
26 Market Square
Bromley Kent BR1 1NA
United Kingdom
081-313-0775
081-313-0702 Fax
No internet address
Price $950, $595
Languages: Chinese, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, French, German,
Italian, Japanese, Norwegian, Spanish, Swedish
Type: Correction, Machine Translation
Description: The Multilingual Dictionary Database gives you the
equivalent of 132 bilingual dictionaries in one CD-ROM disk. It
includes definitions, translations and synonyms in 12 languages
that cover science, technology, business, data processing and
everyday usage. The Language Search will find a word, phrase or
definition. The Dictionary Search will show the complete dictionary
entry for a specified term, and the equivalents of commonly used
expressions that use the term. The Related Terms Search is used as
a thesaurus, providing a list of synonyms for a specified word. If
a specific dictionary does not exist, (for example, to translate
German to Chinese), Languages of the World will channel through all
the appropriate dictionaries within 18 offered and find your word.
Terms searched in Japanese or Chinese can be shown in Japanese or
Chinese characters in addition to Roman letters. Languages of the
World can be used directly with word processors. A split-screen
format allows word processing text to be shown in the lower half,
and the CD-ROM multilingual dictionary on the upper. And with one
command, the translated word or phrase can be inserted into the
word processor document.

From owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Oct  9 21:19:43 1995
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I received a reply from Wang Wei to my previous message.
Although it is not exactly what I was looking for, I think
someone will benifit from this information. Thank Wang Wei
for the info.

Paul Law
plaw@futon.sfsu.edu


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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:26:39 -0800
From: g3105@rose.cnc.ac.cn
To: plaw@FUTON.SFSU.EDU
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X-Vms-To: SMTP%"Paul Law <plaw@FUTON.SFSU.EDU>"

I am using a English/Chinese dictionary EC-Win (Lang3 Dao4) which can
translate English words to Chinese and Chinees words to Engli. It runs
both with DOS and MS-Windows 3.x(but fails to display correctly under
Win95). It is a commercial product, and is very powerful. It contains
vocabulary in electronics, computers, medicine, chemical, architecture,
law, business, mechanics, etc. You can select to install or uninstall
the special sub-dictionaries as you pleased. When you read a article
on computer, you can move the mouse to the English word you are not
sure and press the left button, the Chinese translation will appear
in EC-Win's dialog box.

If you need further information, please feel free to ask me.
Please send this reply to the list to share with others.

Wang Wei


From owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Thu Oct 12 12:22:15 1995
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Subject:      EC-Win's price and where to buy.
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After I send the brief description about EC-Win to this list,
I have got many replies asking for its price. Well, I do send a
direct reply to a friend about its price and where to purchase,
and ask him to forward it to the list IF SUITABLE, but it seems
he is too busy to forward the mail to the list, or it's not
suitable.:-)

I can't send direct replies to everyone because I am busy as a
vice director of a high technology development project, which is
one of Chinese national Torch projects. I am not sure this is
the right place to introduce too detaily about a commercial
product such as price and distributors, because some friends
there might considering that I am making advertisment for some
companies. Once I sent a mail to request for helping to collect
any information about toilet's function in human's progress for
my friend who was working on his thesis VERY SERIOUSLY, but got
many unfriendly reply, although there are also positive replies
from some kind friends(THANKS to those kind people). That made
me embarrassed. (I don't need any more messages on that as my
friend has given it up after I told him I couldn't help.)

I know, in Chinese community, there is only a few way to ask
for help worldwide if you do need some help. This list is high
respected because it owns a lot of subscribers worldwide. Thus I
understand why people would send various requests here, and I do
wish everyone on this list can understand and tolerate, except
those political messages and real business advertisments.

The following is the price about EC-Win. If you don't like it,
just delete it and don't flame on me, as I am shy type. ;-)
     EC-Win standard version: 280RMB (just general, can't add sub-dict)
     EC-Win enhanced version: 380RMB (can add sub-dict)
     Sub-dictionaries: 100-500/sub-dict, depends on the content.
     Total(one Enhanced version+all sub-dict): 2800RMB
Note: the above price is just for buyers in China, and one month ago.
      I don't know the price abroad.

The company is based in Shanghai, Chinese name Lang3 Dao4 ~{@I5@}~,
English name IDEAWAY. There are distributors in many main cities in
China, like Beijing, Hangzhou, Shanghai, etc.

Wang

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cs820922 <ppfoong@CSIE.NCU.EDU.TW> writes:

>    I need a general Chinese-English or Chinese-Chinese dictionary,
> preferably a free dictionary, in UNIX (or more precisely, in Linux),
> for educational use in public. If there is no Linux version, the
> database files would be enough, provided that the data structure of it
> is fully described, so that I could try retreive the data by my own
> approach.  (If source program is available, it would be the best.)

        Hi.    I've been looking     also  for a  Chinese-English  and
English-Chinese dictionaries   for quite a  long time   and what I was
looking for are the data too...

        So, after some unsuccessfull researches,  I saw one day a demo
of the  program called "Roboword"  which translates English to Chinese
or Chinese to English words  that's pointed by the  mouse. I bought it
and looked at the data files and it  was great: although the files are
in binary, the data part  is not crypted in  any way, just a byte that
indicates the length of each entry's data!

        Piece of cake for Emacs, a few lines of elisp and it's quickly
extracted...

        Now,  I have  Chinese-English and English-Chinese dictionaries
within Emacs, plus pronounciation(s) of Chinese characters...

        I've  also found another product that  does the  same thing as
"Roboword": Dr   Eye (what a  name... :))  and it  appeared that their
dictionaries   are  3-4   times   larger  than   those  of  "Roboword"
(Chinese-English 676.338 bytes and English-Chinese is 1.310.001 bytes,
whereas Dr Eye's dictionaries are 1 and 1.2 Mb COMPRESSED !). I looked
at the data:  the Chinese part of  the English-Chinese and the English
part of the Chinese-English are crypted:  I looked at  how they can be
decoded, but they seemed quite complex, so I gave up...

        Roboword costs NT$1000 and Dr Eye NT$149.

        Anyway, if you need the data for  "educational use in public",
you can contact them and tell them about your "problem".  "Roboword"'s
editor is  at http://www.belugas.com.tw, and  I don't have the address
of "Dr Eye"'s now.
--
 Georges KO [ m52021@mtc.ntnu.edu.tw http://mtc.ntnu.edu.tw:52021/~m52021/ ]

From owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Jan 20 22:07:56 1997
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Please check out my dictionary "Chinese Character Genealogy" at
"http://zhongwen.com".  It has the usual dictionary features plus it uses
translations of traditional etymologies and "genealogical charts" based
on them to show how Chinese characters can all be traced back to a couple
hundred simple pictographs and ideographs (the "wen" of "Shuowen Jiezi").
The goal is to help students learn Chinese by showing the close and often
quite logical relationships between characters.

Let me know what you think!

Rick Harbaugh
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Hi, thanks to all of you nice guys, I appreciate your help.

I re-recommend the site ccts.cs.cuhk.hk, introduced by Bob Cheung, to
other netters.  This is a intelligent database for standard Chinese
computer terminology.  It do two way translation.  Sometimes, when your
billingual switch blocked in some computer terms, check this site first.

Roy

