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>From _China Post_ Thurs., Aug. 1, 1991, Taipei

[the China Post is one of Taipei's English newspapers]

---------------------------------[begins]--------------------------------
* MICROSOFT LAUNCHES CHINESE WINDOWS 3.0 *

"Microsoft Taiwan Corporation announced the release of its very own
Microsoft Windows 3.0 Chinese version during a press conference held
yesterday.

"The long awaited Chinese version of Windows is designed from the core up to
accommodate a double-byte character set (DBCS) used in bilingual systems,
said Hank Du, Retail Marketing Manager of Microsoft Taiwan Corporation.

"This ensures a high compatibility level of Chinese Windows with existing
third-party software and hardware, Du added, pointing out that minimum
modifications will be needed on the drivers supplied by printing and
display devices.

"With the Chinese version of Microsoft Windows 3.0, local users can now
avail themselves of the many powerful features supplied by the world's
number one shell program, said Shaw-Gang Yang, General Manager of
Microsoft Taiwan Corporation.

"He added that the ease and simple mouse-clicking operation system under
Windows 3.0, now with Chinese menus, fonts and messages, will be instrumen-
tal in encouraging local people to learn personal computing.

"Now, you don't need to memorize all of those English DOS commands.  All
you have to do is click the mouse to select and to execute," Yang said.

"Windows is a DOS shell program that provides a colorful graphics user
interface, making computer operation remarkably easy and convenient.
Microsoft introduced its Windows 3.0 last year, and to date, more than 4
million copies had been sold worldwide.

"According to Peter M. Neupert, Microsoft Corporation's Senior Director
for Far East Operations, Microsoft Corp. expects the sale [sic] of
Windows 3.0 to top 8 million copies during the next 12 months.

------------------------------------[ends]---------------------------------

Carlos McEvilly
moeg013@twnmoe10

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What components are required to run Chinese Windows?  Which hardware
platform?  What version of which operating system?  Any TSR extensions
required?  Is there a Chinese DOS which keeps fonts on disk like the
Japanese DOS/V package?

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| Subject:      Re:  Chinese Windows?
| Comments: To: CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu
| To: Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L <UGA!CCNET-L@uunet.uu.net>
|
| > From: Paul Watson <76056.1751%COMPUSERVE.COM@uga.cc.uga.edu>
| >
| > What components are required to run Chinese Windows?  Which hardware
| > platform?  What version of which operating system?  Any TSR extensions
| > required?  Is there a Chinese DOS which keeps fonts on disk like the
| > Japanese DOS/V package?
| >

I am assumed that you are talking about Microsoft Chinese Windows 3.0.
Chinese Windows is a window system and it does not contain Chinese DOS.

Hardware Required
=================
Windows 3.0 Chinese Edition requires Hercules, VGA, or
SVGA graphics adaptor and standard ISA, PS/2(MCA), or
PS/55 (TAIWAN) computer system.

DOS Compatibility
=================
Windows 3.0 Chinese Edition will operate on the standard
English versions of DOS 3.1 and later and on
IBM DOS V4.01T (Taiwan).  DOS 5.00 is suggested.

|
| And from where is this Chinese Windows available?


Currently, you can buy Chinese Windows in Hong Kong and Taiwan.

|
| May I ask those people with answers to the above questions
| post to CCNET-L as well as replying to the originator?
| It just seems to me that answers to not very many of the
| questions are posted.  Thanks.
|
| Patrick Lau
|

Terence Kwan

Windows(TM) is a trademark of Microsoft Corporation.

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> From: terryk%MICROSOFT.COM@uga.cc.uga.edu
> Subject:      Re:  Chinese Windows?

>
> Terence Kwan
>
> Windows(TM) is a trademark of Microsoft Corporation.

Many thanks for clear information.

What encoding system does Microsoft Chinese Windows 3.0 use?  BIG-5?  Does
it support other codepoint systems?

Under Japanese Windows there is no difference between OEM and ANSI character
sets.  Is this also true of both Chinese Windows and Nihongo Windows under
DOS/V?  In general, what characters are encoded between 0x7F and 0xFF?

What input methods are supported?  How similar are the Japanese and Chinese
FEP APIs?

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Sun Sep  8 21:17:49 1991
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Does any one knows what other application works under this Chinese
Windows?  I've tried to user Ami-Pro, Page Maker, Excel, MS Word for
Windows.  But none of it seems to work normally.  I can get any Chinese
Chararacter inputed using Win-Word and PageMaker, and for the other two
althought I've got the Chinese Character in but after may be around 30
Character, the system either hangs the machine or prompt me for a
abnormal error message and quit the windows by itself.

Can anyone suggest any better applications to use for chinese and
graphics together?

Thanks in advance.

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Mon Sep  9 02:22:14 1991
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> | What input methods are supported?  How similar are the Japanese and
> | Chinese FEP APIs?
> |
> Currently, it comes with 4 input methods: 1. Internal code; 2. PinYin
> (TAIWAN); 3. ChaJei and 4. Quick method ( a modified version of ChaJei -
> same as ET ).

Does "internal code" mean entering hex value of Big-5?

Does Chinese Windows support Bopomofo input?

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| From: Yeoh Keung CPHK
 <watmath!uga.cc.uga.edu!CCKYEOH%CPHKVX.BITNET@uunet.uu.net>
|
| Does any one knows what other application works under this Chinese
| Windows?  I've tried to user Ami-Pro, Page Maker, Excel, MS Word for
| Windows.  But none of it seems to work normally.  I can get any Chinese
| Chararacter inputed using Win-Word and PageMaker, and for the other two
| althought I've got the Chinese Character in but after may be around 30
| Character, the system either hangs the machine or prompt me for a
| abnormal error message and quit the windows by itself.
|
| Can anyone suggest any better applications to use for chinese and
| graphics together?
|
| Thanks in advance.

You should not be surprise. BIG-5 uses double bytes character set and
all the current applications assume that you will just input the normal
single byte character set.

Most of the string functions will not work properly any more. You need
to rewrite a set of string function to handle the double bytes character
set. Otherwise, the string will screw up your internal memory and your
machine will either hangs or give you UAE.

I don't know any other application works under Chinese Window.

| From: Paul Watson
 <watmath!uga.cc.uga.edu!76056.1751%COMPUSERVE.COM@uunet.uu.net>
| > | What input methods are supported?  How similar are the Japanese and
| > | Chinese FEP APIs?
| > |
| > Currently, it comes with 4 input methods: 1. Internal code; 2. PinYin
| > (TAIWAN); 3. ChaJei and 4. Quick method ( a modified version of ChaJei -
| > same as ET ).
|
| Does "internal code" mean entering hex value of Big-5?

YES.

| Does Chinese Windows support Bopomofo input?

No, just taiwan style pinyin.

| From: Yugi Chen <watmath!uga.cc.uga.edu!SI9_YC04589%DEBET.NHH.NO@uunet.uu.net>
|
| can anybody provide more info on chinese windows, or tell me which sources I
|  canget these info. Thanks!

What kind of information do you want? I will try my best to provide it.
Currently, you can only get the product only from Hong Kong or Taiwan.
It is not a free software and you cannot get it from FTP.

A few comments.

1. My project in Microsoft has nothing related to CWIN 3.0. I am just a
normal John Doe user.

2. My opinion is my own, it has nothing to do with my employer.

3. CWIN is a new product. There is still a lot of opportunities for people
to write products to support CWIN. Before CWIN, we don't have a solid
perform to do chinese software development. Now we have it, we should
use this chance to start some R&D and software development for our
follow country men. Illegal software copying is a major problem in
Taiwan and Hong Kong. However, I hope that this will change once more
and more companies develop chinese software in Hong Kong, Taiwan and
China. They will group together to control illegal software copying and
the price of chinese software will also decrease and more people can
afford to buy the software. I really hope that the computer industry in
Taiwan, Hong Kong and China can be benefit from the product.

4. For software developement, you can either use SDK tool kit to write
your WINDOW C program. For easy developement, you can use MS Visual basic
to develop chinese software. Although visual basic also has its own
problem about double bytes character set, it is a quick and easy way to
develop chinese software. I wrote a small database program in just 3
hours.

Terence Kwan
[ My opinions are my own and have nothing watsoever to do with my
empolyer. ]

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>
>I don't know any other application works under Chinese Window.
>
>| Does Chinese Windows support Bopomofo input?
>
>No, just taiwan style pinyin.  >
>A few comments.
 ....
>3. CWIN is a new product. There is still a lot of opportunities for people
>to write products to support CWIN. Before CWIN, we don't have a solid
>perform to do chinese software development. Now we have it, we should
~~~~~~~~ platform?
>use this chance to start some R&D and software development for our
>follow country men. Illegal software copying is a major problem in

What a bunch of Microsoft sales crape. Your information about not
supporting current applications and input methods is
appreciated though.

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>	From: terryk%MICROSOFT.COM@uga.cc.uga.edu
>	You should not be surprise. BIG-5 uses double bytes character set and
>	all the current applications assume that you will just input the normal
>	single byte character set.
>
>	Most of the string functions will not work properly any more. You need
>	to rewrite a set of string function to handle the double bytes character
>	set. Otherwise, the string will screw up your internal memory and your
>	machine will either hangs or give you UAE.
>
>	I don't know any other application works under Chinese Window.

>From what I understand, applications(e.g Excel, Winword) that run under
English Windows 3.0 should usually run under Chinese Windows 3.0 in either
English input mode or Chinese input mode of CWIN3.
Because they are not double byte applications, you need to
be more careful when use them, e.g. to use delete key twice to delete
a Chinese character and other things to avoid trouble.

Of course, it will be best if double byte version of the applications
are avaliable to process Chinese text under CWIN3.


>	| Does Chinese Windows support Bopomofo input?
>
>	No, just taiwan style pinyin.

It seems that some people refer Bopomofo input as the same thing as Zhu4yin1
input (or phonetic input in English) that is used in Taiwan.   CWIN3 does
support Zhu4yin1 input, as well as Cang1jie2 and Big5 internal code input
methods.

>	1. My project in Microsoft has nothing related to CWIN 3.0. I am just a
>	normal John Doe user.
>
>	2. My opinion is my own, it has nothing to do with my employer.

Same for me here.  Except just tried it a little bit, I don't know too much
about the product.

-xiangjun

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>	Reply-To: Jialin Li! <jialin%DOGWOOD.BOTANY.UGA.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu>
>
>	What a bunch of Microsoft sales crape. Your information about not
>	supporting current applications and input methods is
>	appreciated though.

Terry has been very concerned about Chinese personal computing development
and long before his message that tried to answer some questions, he had some
discussions with other people about his concerns.  He just used that chance
to expressed what he felt.  And he had emphasized that it had nothing to do
with his job and with Microsoft.

Watch your mouth please (or fingers, BTW you spelt "crape" wrong).


-xiangjun

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> From: terryk%MICROSOFT.COM@uga.cc.uga.edu
>
> Most of the string functions will not work properly any more. You need
> to rewrite a set of string function to handle the double bytes character
> set. Otherwise, the string will screw up your internal memory and your
> machine will either hangs or give you UAE.

Is there a Microsoft Chinese C Compiler product?  The Microsoft Japan C
Compiler for Japan offers additional string handling functions
jstrlen(), jstrchr(), jstrncpy(), etc. in addition to the standard lib
functions.  They also provide iskana(), iskpun(), iskmoji(),
hantozen(), jistojms(), etc...  The WINDOWS.H delivered with the
Japanese SDK is pretty different than the one delivered with English
SDK which contains tidbits of Japanese support.  Is a Chinese SDK also
available now?

> 4. For software developement, you can either use SDK tool kit to write
> your WINDOW C program. For easy developement, you can use MS Visual basic
> to develop chinese software. Although visual basic also has its own
> problem about double bytes character set, it is a quick and easy way to
> develop chinese software. I wrote a small database program in just 3
> hours.
>
> Terence Kwan

Yes, many simple Windows apps will run under Japanese Windows and I
assume under Chinese Windows without modification.  However, an app of
any complexity that does such simple things as string parsing or
sorting will require knowledge of the character encoding.

We very much appreciate your help and clear information.

Paul Watson

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==============================================================================


Dear CCNETter,

It seems to me some of you are very much interested in Chinese Windows.  In
fact, in Taiwan, Chinese Windows is hotly discussing on mazagines recently.
For example, Eten Magazine has a special report on Chinese Windows last
issue, p.51-p.72, Aug. 1991.  (Eten Magazine is supported by Eten Infomation
System Co., Ltd.)

There are three Chinese version of Windows 3.0 available in Taiwan:
( NOTE: in chronological order )
o  EverGreen Windows 3.0 Chinese System
  (Chang2 Qing1 Shi4 Chuang1 3.0 Zhong1 Wen1 Xi4 Tong3)
o  Chinese MicroComputer Windows Environment 3.0
  (Zhong1 Wen2 Wei2 Dian4 Nao3 Shi4 Chuang1 Huan2 Jing4 3.0)
o  Microsoft Chinese Windows 3.0
  (Microsoft Windows 3.0 Zhong1 Wen2 Ban3)

Well, enclosed is a table translated from Eten Magazine, Aug. 1991, p.72,
a comparison of these three versions.  I am a sophomore, with poor Chinese-
Computing terms.  Please forgive me if I didn't translate them properly;
really, I tried my best.

BTW, some CCNETter asked me to provide them some software info in Taiwan,
especially Chinese Desktop Publishing Softwares.  Sure, I can tell you
there are dozens of high-quality Publishing Systems in Taiwan.  You know,
many magazines in Taiwan, Computer magazines in particular, are outputed
by these systems.  But most of them have Chinese catalogs only, and it
is very difficult for me to translate them into Chinese; mainly, some
tech-terms I don't know how to translate them.  I will try but please
don't expect me too much.


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|            |               | EverGreen     | Chinese       |               |
|            | Microsoft     | Windows 3.0   | MicroComputer | Microsoft     |
| WINDOWS 3.0|               | Chinese       | Windows       | Chinese       |
|            | Windows 3.0   | System        | Environment   | Windows 3.0   |
|            |               |               | 3.0           |               |
|------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------|
|            | Microsoft     | EG-Tek        | Institute for | Microsoft     |
|            | Corporation   |               | Information   | Corporation,  |
| Developer  |               |               | Industry (III)| Taiwan &      |
|            |               |               |               | You3 Li4      |
|            |               |               |               | Infomation    |
|------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------|
| No. of     | 4952552 bytes | 3587164 bytes | 4361164 bytes | 12116221 bytes|
| Disks      | 1.2M ( 5 )    | 1.2M ( 3 )    | 1.2M ( 4 )    | 1.2M ( 11 )   |
|------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------|
| Time Needed|               |               |               |               |
| for Instal-| 7 - 8 min.    | 20 - 25 min.  | 5 - 6 min.    | 17 - 18 min.  |
| lation     |               |               |               |               |
|------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------|
| Software   |               |               |               | Eten Chinese  |
| Needed for | None          | Microsoft     | Microsoft     | System when   |
| Instal-    |               | Windows 3.0   | Windows 3.0   | running SETUP |
| lation     |               |               |               | (optional)    |
|------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------|
|            |               | Title, Status,| Title, Status,| completely in |
| Level of   |               | Menu bar,     | Icon, all in  | Chinese,      |
| Chinese-   |               | Dialog Box,   | Chinese       | including     |
| ization    |               | Icon, all in  |               | On-Line Help  |
|            |               | Chinese       |               |               |
|------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------|
|            |               | Keyboard input| Keyboard/Mouse| Keyboard input|
| Input      |               | access, Half- | input access, | access, Half/ |
| access,    |               | character,    | Half/Full-    | Full-character|
| Half/Full- |               | Chinese/      | character,    | Chinese/      |
| character  |               | English       | Chinese/      | English       |
|            |               |               | English       |               |
|------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------|
|            | Courier, Helv,| Song, Li, Kai | Bitmap fonts  | Courier, Helv,|
| Fonts      | Modern, Roman,|               |(Support Hua-  | Symbol,       |
|            | Script, Symbol|               | Kang DynaFont)| Tms Rmn,      |
|            | Tms Rmn       |               |               | CFShouSong    |
|------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------|
|            |               | Inner-code,   | Zhu Yin,      | Inner-code,   |
| Input      |               | Chang Jie,    | Chang Jie,    | Zhu Yin,      |
| Method     |               | Jian Yi,      | Inner-code,   | Su Cheng,     |
|            |               | Zhu Yin,      | Su Cheng      | Chang Jie     |
|            |               | Da Yi         |               |               |
|------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------|
| Coded-     |               | Big5, TCA,    | Big5, TCA     | Big5          |
| method     |               | GB2312-80     |               |               |
|------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------|
| Memory     |               | 28K Bytes     | 36K Bytes     | 35K Bytes     |
| held       |               | (approx.)     | (approx.)     | (approx.)     |
|------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------|
|            |               | under Windowed| Under Windowed| under Windowed|
|            |               | DOS able to   | DOS not only  | DOS able to   |
|            |               | display Chi-  | able to dis-  | display Chi-  |
| Other      |               | nese, but     | play Chinese, | nese, but     |
| Functions  |               | small and not | but larger and| small and not |
|    &       |               | clear enough  | clearer       | clear enough. |
| Features   |               |               |               | However, it   |
|            |               |               |               | can be solved |
|            |               |               |               | when co-works |
|            |               |               |               | with ETen     |
|            |               |               |               | Chinese System|
|------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------|
|            | (skipped)     | Ren Ren Office| Color Drawing | Convert all   |
|            |               | System, Utili-| (Cai Zhi Hui),| softwares     |
|            |               | ties for Chi- | Zu Hong, Input| under English |
|            |               | nese System,  | Methods, Uti- | version into  |
|            |               | Input Methods,| lities, Make- | Chinese, and  |
| Sofewares  |               | NEWRC.EXE     | word program, | Make-word pro-|
|            |               |               | Chinese       | gram, Fonts,  |
|            |               |               | installation  | Input Methods,|
|            |               |               | Program,      | CONVERT.COM,  |
|            |               |               | Notepad,      | PRNTSCRN.COM  |
|            |               |               | CWINDOWS.EXE  |               |
|------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------|
|            |               | Since all     | Accompanied   | CONVERT.COM   |
|            |               | programs are  | with practical| is for con-   |
|            |               | compressed,   | softwares.    | verting Big5  |
|            |               | we suggest    | Quick instal- | into CNS, TCA,|
|            |               | you'd better  | lation.       | IBM5550, ETen |
|            |               | copy them into|               | coded methods.|
|            |               | harddisk, and |               | PRNTSCRN.COM  |
|            |               | then uncom-   |               | is able to    |
| Notes      |               | press them.   |               | adapt the mes-|
|            |               | Moreover, you |               | sages under   |
|            |               | have to run   |               | Windowed DOS  |
|            |               | some programs |               | for other     |
|            |               | to convert    |               | applications. |
|            |               | WINDOWS into  |               | Displaying    |
|            |               | Chinese.      |               | Chinese under |
|            |               |               |               | Windowed DOS  |
|            |               |               |               | has a very bad|
|            |               |               |               | performance.  |
|------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------|
| Price      | US$ 149       | NT$ 1400      | NT$ 2000      | NT$ 5000      |
|            | NT$ 5000      |               |               |               |
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> BTW, some CCNETter asked me to provide them some software info in Taiwan,
> especially Chinese Desktop Publishing Softwares.  Sure, I can tell you
> there are dozens of high-quality Publishing Systems in Taiwan.  You know,
> many magazines in Taiwan, Computer magazines in particular, are outputed
> by these systems.  But most of them have Chinese catalogs only, and it
> is very difficult for me to translate them into Chinese; mainly, some
                                                  ^^^^^^^English
> tech-terms I don't know how to translate them.  I will try but please
> don't expect me too much.

Huang, Chih-Hsien

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Here is a brief introduction of CWIN 3.0.

Terence Kwan

[ NOTE: This is not an offical release document of Chinese Window 3.0.
Microsoft Corporation does not bare any responsibility for this document.
Use as your own risk. ]

-=-

Microsoft Taiwan Corporation
10 Fl, 399 Min Sheng E. Road
Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C.

Microsoft Corporation
Far East Products Development
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052 USA


Introduction

This document outlines the features added to or changed in Windows 3.0 to
 support the Chinese Language.  This changes are described versus or in
 comparison to the English Edition of Windows 3.0.  Throughout this document
 Windows 3.0 Chinese Edition will be abbreviated using the initialism CWIN3.

This paper assumes that the reader is familiar with the concepts surrounding the
 representation of the Chinese language with two bytes called the double byte
 code system (DBCS) commonly used in personal computers in the Far East.
Far East Common Additions

The three versions of Microsoft Windows found in the Far East are developed on a
 common base source code.  This common source code is a combination of
 development efforts of Microsoft teams and subsidiaries located in Redmond,
 Washington, USA; Tokyo, Japan; Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C.; and Seoul, South Korea.
 The common code includes features necessary to support Han character based
 languages such as Kanji and its associated phonetic alphabets Hiragana and
 Katakana (Japanese), HanZi (Chinese),  and Hanja and the associated phonetic
 alphabet Hangeul (Korean).

The following sections discuss each of the Far East Common additions or
 modifications made to Windows 3.0 to create the Far East Common source based
 and the Chinese Edition.

DBCS Enabled Core

The Core of CWIN3 is comprised of GDI.EXE, USER.EXE, and KERNEL.EXE.  These core
 modules have been modified to fully recognize and manipulate DBCS characters as
 full characters instead of two separate bytes.  These modifications include the
 full enabling of the Windows common controls such as, but not limited to, edit
 controls, multiline edit controls, combo boxes, list boxes, and text controls.

These changes can be demonstrated to the user through the fact that the
 backspace, delete, and arrow keys move one full Chinese character, instead of a
 single byte or half of a Chinese character.  The user will also notice that
 mouse selections will break on character boundaries and that they cannot place
 the cursor in the middle of a Chinese character.   However, the changes to
 Windows to support DBCS go much deeper into CWIN that what is visually
 apparent.  These changes include sorting sequences, string concatenation and
 separation, internal storage and representation all of which increase the
 integrity of CWIN3 at the core when computing with, manipulating, or moving
 DBCS characters or strings internally.

DBCS Enabled Applets

All applications in CWIN3, called applets due to their small size and scope of
 operation, have been localized to work with double byte characters and double
 byte character strings.  Some applets have also been enhanced to provide Far
 East specific features such as vertical writing.

DBCS Enabled Utilities

All utilities in CWIN3 have been localized to work with double byte characters
 and double byte character strings.

Installable Font Technologies

CWIN3 has been extended with the Windows Intelligent Font Environment (WIFE)
 module which is part of the Far East Common Applications Program Interface
 (FECAPI).  WIFE allows CWIN3 to have multiple installable font drivers that
 support various types of Chinese font technologies.  These font technologies
 can include everything from the software based unhinted TrueType outline fonts
 (described later in this document) to hardware based cards using pattern ROMs.

CWIN3 allows for any or all of these Chinese font technologies to be installed
 and to provide Chinese or double byte fonts to the user for use on the screen
 and on the printer.  WIFE is integrated with the GDI core module to work in
 concert with GDI.  Thus, the user has access to the original, unmodified
 English GDI font files available from many third party sources and those
 English GDI fonts included in the CWIN3 package.

The FECAPI specification for writing a font driver and source code for a sample
 bitmap font driver is included in the CWIN3 Device Development Kit Extension
 (DDKE).

Installable Input Methods (IMEs)

CWIN3 provides for an open architecture for Chinese input methods.  The input
 method manager allows for multiple input methods to be installed and for
 changing the active input method through easy key strokes.  Only one input
 method can be active at a time.  The Input Method Manager is integrated into
 the Windows International Language Support (WINNLS) module.

The Chinese IMM/IME specification for writing a CWIN3 based input method and
 source code for a sample internal code IME is included in the CWIN3 Device
 Development Kit Extension (DDKE).

Printer Support

Background

Two types of printers are currently available in the market and are supported by
 CWIN3.  These printer include 1) printers with only English fonts built in and
 currently supported by the English edition of Windows 3.0, and 2) printers with
 both English and Chinese fonts built in and not supported by the English
 edition of Windows 3.0.  Support of these two types of printers require new
 printer drivers in order to fully work with CWIN3 and support Chinese.

The first type of printers do not have Chinese fonts built in and cannot print
 Chinese characters left to their own accord.  The printer drivers, necessary to
 allow CWIN3 to communicate with the printer, for these printers can be
 implemented in one of three ways.  The first method for installation is to
 install the original printer driver and provide no support for printing Chinese
 characters.  The second method for installation is to install the printer
 driver with a helper driver that can provide for Chinese character support.
 And, the third method is to rewrite the printer driver to provide for direct
 Chinese character support.  Original printer drivers written for Windows 3.0
 English Edition are not aware of the modifications and additions such as WIFE
 added to the Far East editions of Windows and defined under the FECAPI
 specification.

The second type of printer, those with both Chinese and English fonts built in,
 does not have original support in the English edition of Windows 3.0 and
 therefore, it is necessary to write an all new printer driver for CWIN3.  This
 printer driver should be a direct printer driver with support for the built in
 Chinese fonts.

The following sections provide more information about the various types of
 printer driver implementation and printing support in CWIN3.

Support for Original Printer Drivers without Chinese character support

Original English edition Windows 3.0 printer drivers can be installed into CWIN3
 unchanged.  These drivers will not support the printing of Chinese characters.
 They will, however, operate as normal when printing English text using either
 built in English fonts or using the Windows GDI English fonts.  The option to
 exclude Chinese character support can be selected at installation time.  Some
 printer drivers, like the Hewlett Packard PaintJet printer driver, can only be
 installed in this way because it provides support for color printing.

Support for Compatible (Original) Printer Drivers

Original English edition Windows 3.0 printer drivers can be installed into CWIN3
 unchanged and can support the printing of Chinese character through the use of
 a helper printer driver.  These drivers are called "compatible" printer drivers
 because they were written in such as way that they will cooperate with the
 helper printer driver.  Some printer drivers, such as the Hewlett Packard
 PaintJet printer driver, will not cooperate with the helper printer driver
 because they provide extended support for color printing.

The helper printer drivers is more correctly called the Dispatch Printer Driver
 abbreviated as DPD.  The DPD will be installed if the user selects Chinese
 character support when installing original printer drivers written for Windows
 3.0 English edition.  The DPD is installed before or in front of the
 "compatible" printer driver and will intercept commands that request Chinese
 characters thus doing that work for the original printer driver.

Once the user has installed a printer driver with Chinese character support thus
 invoking the use of the DPD, they will not need to do anything else to get
 printed Chinese support.

New Direct Printer Drivers for Printers with Built in English Fonts only

Installing original printer drivers using the DPD to gain Chinese character
 support can decrease  the performance of these printers due the fact that the
 DPD was designed to support many types of printers including laser and dot
 matrix printers.  Printing performance may be increased by rewriting the
 original printer drivers to implement Chinese character support through WIFE
 that works more closely with the native printing technology methodology.  These
 printer drivers, when composing a page for printing,  access Chinese fonts
 directly from WIFE when Chinese characters are printed.

The CHPPCL printer driver was implemented in CWIN3 as a new direct printer
 driver to make printing to Hewlett Packard LaserJet II and LaserJet III
 printers faster than using the DPD with the original HPPCL printer driver.

The FECAPI specification for writing a CWIN3 based direct printer driver and
 source code for sample printer drivers is included in the CWIN3 Device
 Development Kit Extension (DDKE).

New Direct Printer Drivers for Printers with built in
Chinese and English Fonts

Printers with built in Chinese and English fonts are the most useful printers
 for Chinese computing and printing.  However, these printers are unfortunately
 not supported by printer drivers developed for Windows 3.0 English Edition.
 This is due to the fact that these printers have built in Chinese fonts.  Thus,
 it is necessary to develop printer drivers that can make the intelligent
 decision between accessing Chinese and English characters from Windows GDI
 English fonts, Windows WIFE Chinese fonts, or from the built in English and
 Chinese fonts in the printer's memory.

Printing using built in printer fonts is substantially faster than printing
 using Windows fonts, either GDI or WIFE, due to the fact that Windows fonts
 must be rasterized into bitmaps and transferred to the printer as a bitmap over
 the printer interface.  If the font is built into the printer, then all Windows
 has to do is  request the printer to print the character and the printer does
 the remaining work to select the character from its font memory and print it.

The selection of an internal font from printer memory is much faster than the
 computer rasterizing the character and transferring it to the printer over the
 printer interface due to 1) the amount of data that must be transferred to the
 printer from the computer during printer and 2) the amount of work the printer
 does versus the amount of work that the computer does to print.

Thus, all printers with built in Chinese and English or Chinese only fonts will
 have to have new direct printer drivers developed in order to provide support
 for those printers in CWIN3.

The FECAPI specification for writing a CWIN3 based direct printer driver and
 source code for sample printer drivers is included in the CWIN3 Device
 Development Kit Extension (DDKE).

FECAPI is an open specification included in the CWIN3 Device Development Kit
 Extension (DDKE) and opens the font, IME, printer, and video driver
 architecture for third parties.  Font drivers, printer drivers (excluding
 dialog box text), and video drivers developed for CWIN3, that strictly follow
 the FECAPI specification, will operate unchanged on Windows 3.0 Japanese
 Edition, and Windows 3.0 Hangeul Edition (Korean).
Chinese Specific Features

Several features have been added to Windows 3.0 to specifically support the
 Chinese Language.  These changes were necessary to support language specific or
 market specific requirements.

The following sections discuss each of the Chinese specific additions made to
 Windows 3.0 to create the Chinese Edition.

Localized Text, Menus, and Dialogs

Text, menus, and dialogs in CWN3's have been localized into Chinese using
 traditional Chinese characters.  This localization includes all applets,
 Windows utilities, and most messages presented to the user by the system.

There are specific error messages for parts of CWIN3 that interface to DOS and
 display messages in DOS character mode sessions that have not been localized
 into Chinese.  These error messages were not localized due to the fact that
 CWIN3 can run on English editions of DOS which do not support Chinese messages
 in character mode.

Internal Code

The internal Code for CWIN3 is the standard Big-5 code.  This does not include
 any commonly implemented extensions to Big-5 implemented by companies such as
 E-Ten, Acer, or Zero/One.  The standard Big-5 code was selected due to it
 prolific use in Taiwan and in Chinese computing throughout the world.

Outline Font with Hand Tuned and User Defined Bitmaps

CWIN3 is delivered with an outline font technology and a single typeface
 implemented under the Far East common installable font technologies feature.
 The outline font technology will read font formatted with the TrueType font
 file format excluding hint information.  This font technology allows third
 party font vendors to market TrueType formatted font files excluding hints,
 commonly called unhinted TrueType, distributed on diskettes.

The unhinted TrueType font technology, also called the outline font driver,
 allows the user the availability of fully scaleable fonts on both the screen
 and printer.  The font technology allows the user to install additional fonts
 distributed on diskettes with great ease and incorporate the use of these fonts
 in all documents, spreadsheets, and other types of files produced by Windows
 programs.

The outline font driver that access the unhinted TrueType files will also use
 hand tuned and pre-rasterized bitmap font files if they are available for a
 particular point size.  Due to the very small sizes of Chinese characters at 12
 points and below, it may be necessary for some typefaces to include hand tuned
 bitmaps for readability.  As well, if the user has large amounts of disk space
 available, then they may wish to pre-rasterize and store selected point sizes
 of selected typefaces to increase the speed of the font technology by
 eliminating the need to rasterize the outline.

The outline font driver will also work in conjunction with user defined
 characters defined and drawn by the Userfont utility.  The outline font driver
 will access the user defined bitmap font files if the user requests a character
 not in the standard Big-5 code space of 13,053 characters.  If a user defined
 bitmap exists for the character in the typeface requested, then font driver
 will access that bitmap and scale it as necessary to present with the other
 characters of the selected point size and typeface.

The specification for the unhinted TrueType font file format and formats of the
 hand tuned and user defined bitmaps is included in the CWIN3 Software
 Development Kit Extension (SDKE).

End User Definable Font Utility (Userfont Utility)

Although CWIN3 uses the Big-5 code which includes 13,053 Chinese characters, it
 is necessary to allow the user to draw and use character not found in that
 13,053 character set.  This utility, commonly called the userfont utility,
 allows for the graphic design of Chinese character using a utility much like a
 painting program.  The utility allows the user to design the character, defined
 its internal code, from a predefined internal code space of over 6,000
 characters, and defined the keystrokes used to select the character in various
 input methods.

Third Party Chinese System Support

CWIN3 has been modified for support of Third Party Chinese Systems such as the
 E-Ten Chinese System.  Specific changes have been made to the video sections of
 CWIN3 to allow the Chinese Systems to operate, with some limitations outlined
 in the CWIN3 User's Guide, in DOS full screen sessions.

The specific modifications to CWIN3 include changes to the Windows Old
 Applications interface (WINOLDAP), the Virtual Display Drivers (VDD), and to
 the Video Grabbers (GB2 and GB3).  These changes recognize that Chinese Systems
 do not operate in common or standard video modes sometimes mixing both text and
 graphics modes of the video display.  Windows operates the video display
 hardware in fully graphic or fully text modes not mixing those modes.  CWIN3
 recognizes that Chinese Systems commonly uses all video memory regardless of
 video mode.  Chinese Systems often use graphics or text mode memory for saving
 data even though they report and are indicated to be in the opposite mode.  As
 well, Chinese Systems sometimes use video memory for storing critical data or
 they use all video memory in the system and it was necessary to modify CWIN3 to
 support this memory use.
Localized Chinese Help

Help in CWIN3 has been fully localized for the Chinese Edition.  CWIN3 Help has
 also been modified and extended for Chinese specific features.

IMEs

CWIN3 includes four simple input methods including the Phonetic and Chang Jei
 IMEs.  These input methods have been developed based on the Far East common
 installable input method architecture which has been extended to support
 multiple installed IMEs in the Chinese Edition.  These IMEs have been developed
 to support the most commonly known ways to input Chinese characters into a
 computer.

Due to the open architecture of CWIN3, additional input methods can be developed
 by third parties for installation by users into CWIN3.  Microsoft acknowledges
 that there are a vast numbers of different input methods and variations on the
 common input methods.  Third parties are encouraged to develop and market their
 Windows based IMEs using the published IMM/IME specification.  Third parties
 are encouraged to market these new IMEs on the open market.

Chang Jei

The CWIN3 Chang Jei input method is based on public domain Change Jei input
 method and adheres to the Change Jei tables published by E-Ten Information
 Systems, Inc.

Phonetic

The Phonetic input method is based on the Phonetic alphabet commonly taught in
 Taiwan and adheres to the Phonetic tables published by E-Ten Information
 Systems, Inc.

Quick/Simplified

The Quick or Simplified input method is a variation on the Chang Jei input
 method.

Internal Code
The Internal code input method selects characters based on the Big-5 internal
 code.


Vertical Writing in Paintbrush

Vertical writing capabilities were added to Paintbrush to support Chinese
 vertical writing when using the Text Tool.


English (unlocalized) Windows 3.0 Application Support

CWIN3 was developed to provide the highest level of support possible for English
 or unlocalized Windows 3.0 Applications found on the market without
 jeopardizing the functionality of fully localized Chinese Windows applications.
  English Applications support was added to CWIN3 to provide the largest number
 of applications for the Chinese market as is possible.

This support was primarily implemented by providing for font association.  Font
 association is where the user is allowed to select an English font, such as
 Helvetica, and type in Chinese characters not found in that English font.  When
 a user selects an English font, the Chinese system font is also automatically
 selected and available if the user types in Chinese characters using one of the
 input methods.

In addition to font association, the user is permitted to use original English
 and original Chinese fonts mixed on the same line.  This mixed font scheme is
 achieved by selecting the font, by name, from the application's font menu.
 There are some considerations, however, when mixing Chinese and English fonts
 on the same line and these considerations surround the baseline of the fonts
 used.  The baseline is an imaginary horizontal line on which the character
 rests.  As well, the baseline is commonly the place where an underline is
 drawn.  Chinese fonts include both Chinese and English characters, however, the
 baseline of the English characters is a the bottom of the destenders of the
 English characters when they are included in the Chinese font.  Destenders are
 the parts of English characters that go below the underline like the Y or G in
 the following example using the Tms Rmn English font 14pts:

	yyyyyygggggg

The base line in the English included in the Chinese font is closer to the
 bottom of the destenders as in this example using the ShouSung Chinese font
 14pts:

	yyyyyygggggg

Therefore, if one mixes Chinese, English from the Chinese font, and original
 English fonts on the same line, the two English samples will have differing
 baselines as in the 14pt sample below using Tms Rmn as the English font and
 ShouSung as the Chinese font:

	English Font	|	English in Chinese Font	|	Chinese Font
yyyyyyggggggyyyyyyyggggggggyyyyyyy&c&c&c

This was designed into Chinese Windows to provide the best of both English
 Windows and Chinese computing to the user.  If a user is creating a primarily
 Chinese document, with some English words, the English lines up as what would
 seem to be appropriate.  If the user is writing a primarily English document,
 then he or she can select the original English fonts and the output will look
 very natural.

Mark, Copy, & Paste support with Code Conversion

CWIN3 includes a utility that will operate in full screen DOS sessions to
 provide mark, copy, and paste functionality like that found in windowed DOS
 sessions.  The utility, called PRNTSCRN.EXE,  is run as a DOS (non-Windows)
 utility that can be invoked as a TSR (Terminate and Stay Resident routine) or
 for a single session's use to allow the user to use the mouse or keyboard to
 highlight a section of the screen and to copy the text from the highlighted
 section to the Windows 3.0 clipboard.

The utility also provides for code conversion from IBM Standard 5550 code, E-Ten
 code, TCA code, or CNS code to Big-5 code.  The code used for conversion can be
 selected at invocation.

Mark, Copy, & Paste with Code Conversion was added as a Chinese specific feature
 due to the fact that third party Chinese Systems cannot be reliably operated in
 a windowed DOS sessions and may use different internal codes than the Big-5
 code.  Third party Chinese systems cannot reliably operate in a windowed DOS
 session due the fact that they operate in various graphics or mixed text and
 graphics modes not currently supported by CWIN3.  It was conceived based on the
 fact that Chinese system users should have the same functionality available to
 them as those users who use DOS only in English mode and that this
 functionality should support multiple code systems.

Flat File Code Conversion Utility

CWIN3 includes a utility to convert flat files between and among the Big5, TCA,
 IBM Standard 5550, Eten, and CNS codes.  This code conversion utility was
 provided to support users from Chinese systems or DOS versions that were not
 based on the Big-5 code.  The utility is intended to make it easier for users
 to work in conjunction with or migrate from systems using other than the Big-5
 code.

Code Conversion DLL for Chinese Windows Applications

CWIN3 includes a new Dynamic Link Library (DLL) for Chinese Windows applications
 to do code conversion.  This DLL provides six new Applications Program
 Interfaces (APIs) to do conversion of codes. These APIs include conversion of
 three types of data structures, characters, strings, or buffers and can convert
 from TCA, IBM Standard 5550, Eten, or CNS codes to Big-5 code or vice versa.
 This will allow for the development of Chinese Windows applications, such as
 word processors,  that support many types of encoded files.

IBM PS/55 Support

Support for the IBM PS/55 is provided in CWIN3.  IBM Taiwan Corporation has
 developed drivers for CWIN3 to support the IBM PS/55 keyboard and the IBM PS/55
 5577/5575 printers.  These drivers have been included in CWIN3 by Microsoft and
 the IBM PS/55 can be selected as the computer when installing CWIN3.  Please
 note that IBM DOS Version 4.01T (commonly called TDOS) is only supported
 operating in English mode.

Additional Information

All specifications and kits indicated in this document are available in Final
 form from Microsoft Taiwan Corporation.

	Microsoft Taiwan Corporation
	10 Fl., 399 Min Sheng E. Rd.
	Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C.,
	TEL: (02) 504-3122
	FAX: (02) 504-3121

Microsoft Corporation (NASDAQ "MSFT") develops, markets and supports a wide
 range of software for business and professional use, including operating
 systems, network products, languages and applications, as well as books,
 hardware and CD-ROM products for the microcomputer marketplace.

###

Microsoft and the Microsoft logo are registered trademarks and Windows is a
 trademark of Microsoft Corporation.

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Thu Sep 12 10:29:32 1991
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From: Jim Wilderotter -- Georgetown Center for Text and Technology
              <WILDER@GUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Windows Help
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L <CCNET-L@UGA>
Status: RO

Microsoft Windows update version 3.0A is available from Microsoft.
This version update will take care of the problems with Windows,
applications, and screen drivers.

Jim Wilderotter

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Sun Sep 15 04:38:20 1991
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From: Alan Staniforth <100014.1370%COMPUSERVE.COM@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Chinese version of Windows 3.0
Comments: To: CCNET <CCNET-L%uga@pucc.princeton.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L <CCNET-L@UGA>
Status: RO

I had heard that Microsoft had recently released a Chinese Character
version of Windows 3.0.

I am trying to get a friend in Hong Kong to buy me a copy but I would
like to know a bit more about it before telling him to buy it and post
it to me.

I have the English version of Windows 3.0.

Has anyone any experience of using it? Basically what facilities does
it have for Chinese Characters. My experience so far has been mainly
with the simplified characters in mainland China and my usually method
of input has been pinyin (Mandarin).

Thanks

Alan Staniforth

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From: Carlos McEvilly <MOEG013%TWNMOE10.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Chinese Windows
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L <CCNET-L@UGA>
Status: RO

For anyone who's wondering about MS Windows 3.0 Chinese Edition...

My coworker showed me a letter he wrote yesterday with English and Chinese
mixed, composed in Microsoft Word under Chinese Windows.  The characters
looked really nice.  It was printed out on an HP Laserjet III.  This
answered a question I had been wondering about for a while, although it
still leaves me wondering whether *all* characters can be used so
smoothly (from what I've heard on the network, some characters get
misinterpreted as control codes and cause a bomb).  The characters may
be scaled by hilighting the chosen text and clicking on font, then
typing in your desired point size.

The other day I was trying out C-Windows and discovered that just as
in regular Windows you can capture the screen to the clipboard (press
PrintScreen), then enter Paintbrush, paste the clipboard image into the
Paintbrush work area, erase the unwanted parts, and resize the other
parts, including Chinese characters.  But this is all bitmaps, so it's
not nearly as pretty as the built in fonts that drive the laser printer.

Not being a great Windows fan, I must admit I'm a little disappointed to
see such nice printing coming from MS Word, and not from my favorite
Wordperfect... :)  Maybe I'll have to change religions after all.... :)

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Mon Oct  7 04:18:14 1991
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From: Carlos McEvilly <MOEG013%TWNMOE10.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      MS Windows 3.0 Chinese Edition
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Status: RO

Re: Where can I get Chinese Windows?

Well, I've been asking around here and Microsoft Taiwan does not sell to
users at all.  In case there are any potential distributors out there,
though, Microsoft is at: 10F, 3 Minsheng East Rd., Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C.,
phone 886-2-504-3122, fax 886-2-504-3121.

They recommend users call one of their retailers, such as Sung Kang
Computer: 5F, 337 Dunhua South Rd., Sec. 1, Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C.,
phone 886-2-708-2125, fax 886-2-700-1006.  Sung Kang says they will
research their policy on international mail order and get back to
me, so watch this space.  Sung Kang has a representative in the U.S.,
in the San Jose area.  The name of the company is Unalis Corp., and
a contact person there is Ms. Jane Wei at (408) 262-5628.

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Mon Oct  7 12:47:13 1991
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From: Roger Hart <IZZYCY5%MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Is MS Word compatible with MS C-Windows for IBM??
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Question:  Is Microsoft Word compatible enough with Microsoft
C-Windows that one could write academic papers in English with
Chinese included?  Does anyone know of any problems and/or
workarounds?  Sales?

A friend of mine just came back from Taiwan, where he tried
Microsoft Word with Microsoft C-Windows, and claims that this
seemed to be possible.  I told him I would ask for him on CCNET
whether there were problems.

This is of particular importance here at UCLA, where bureaucratic
guardians of the faith stricly enforce an IBM-only policy for the
social sciences.  Thus Chinese computing has meant Tianma, which
is not at all suited to our needs.

Thank you,
Roger Hart

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Wed Oct  9 05:04:53 1991
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Subject:      MS Word and Chinese Windows
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L <CCNET-L@UGA>
Status: RO

Today I tried to add a few Chinese characters to an existing English
document.  It worked fine; both with characters in text and in footnotes.

There is a problem with two-byte codes still.  The cursor movement
do not always know that the cursor is at a Chinese character, so back-
space sometimes only deletes the trailing byte.  What happens next is
where the problems lies: the first byte, which is in the extended char-
acter set since the code set is Big5, then sometimes becomes invisible.
This makes it hard to know when there are extra characters (bytes) on the
screen.  If there's an extra character at the cursor position, the next
character you enter, regardless of language, may be misinterpreted as the
second byte of an unintended Chinese character.  This could definitely
account for some of the reported bugs in Chinese Windows... in which case
they are not bugs, I suppose, but just one big bug that shows up in many
places.

Compounding this problem is the fact that it is very difficult to tell
where the cursor is in relation to a given Chinese character.  The cursor
position as displayed is not reliable, making it difficult to properly add,
delete, and block text.

If you do everything right the first time, you won't have any problem with
stray leading or trailing bytes of Chinese characters.  But you will still
have problems blocking.  Given these caveats, Chinese Windows still does
deliver at least some of what a lot of us need.

Carlos

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From: xiangjun%MICROSOFT.COM@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      RE: Questions on CWIN: ANSI 128-256, programs??
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Subject: Questions on CWIN: ANSI 128-256, programs??

>From: Roger Hart <IZZYCY5%MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu>
>Ping-yi Chu asked me to post this message:
>
> I use Chinese windows.  Are there any programs written for cwins?

I have not seen other products announced yet.

> I use word for windows with cwin but the second part of the ANSI characters
> does not show up. (characters 128-255).  Does anyone know how to solve this
> problem?
>
>Please reply either to CCNET or to
>Ping-yi Chu at IKD2PYC@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU

Here is the answer from an expert, not me:

|You CAN display high byte characters from
|an English font by removing "(81,fe)" from the following
|statement in WIFEMAN.INI.
|
|    [CodeRanges]
|    ANSI=00(81,fe)
|
|But you CAN'T enter such characters through the keyboard.
|Because one of the screwing aspects of CWin 3.0 is that
|input and output take their leadbyte range table from
|different sources.

So for your problem
  1. remove or comment out (;) the said line above from WIFEMAN.INI
before you run windows.
  2. run windows and run winword (or any other windows applications),
and open your files that contains ANSI characters 128-155. To display
them as ANSI characters, choose an English font that can display them.
(If you chose Chinese fonts for those characters, they probably will be
displayed as Chinese characters or white squares that means there no
Chinese characters are not available for them.)

-xiangjun

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Fri Nov 15 23:27:04 1991
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Does any one know how to install hua-kang fonds into Chinese Windows?

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Fri Nov 15 13:24:47 1991
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From: Roger Hart <IZZYCY5%MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Questions on CWIN: ANSI 128-256, programs??
Comments: To: Chinese Computing Network <CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L <CCNET-L@UGA>
Status: RO

Ping-yi Chu asked me to post this message:

 I use Chinese windows.  Are there any programs written for cwins?
 I use word for windows with cwin but the second part of the ANSI characters
 does not show up. (characters 128-255).  Does anyone know how to solve this
 problem?

Please reply either to CCNET or to
Ping-yi Chu at IKD2PYC@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Fri Nov 22 05:59:52 1991
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From: Marten Hiesboek <100020.3121%COMPUSERVE.COM@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      CWIN3
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L <CCNET-L@UGA>
Status: RO

I have been following the discussions about Chinese Windows now
for quite a while. I also read several articles in Taiwanese computer
mags. Still, I am not clear about the usage of English software on CWIN:
Can I use the normal Superbase IV version on the CWIN surface? Or
MS-WORD? Implying that I should be able to process chinese characters.
I am working for the Institut of Sinology in Vienna, Austria, Europe.
So far, we used LiDos, ET, and Spring System for library maintainance and
word processing.
I would appreciate few tips on chinese software for universities and
a clear answer to the above question. All the Taiwanese reviews speak of
[ hen dade wenti ], leaving me clueless about the actual usage.
Thank you very much for helping.

From @uga.cc.uga.edu:100020.3121@compuserve.com Tue Dec 17 18:18:03 1991
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From: Marten Hiesboek <100020.3121@CompuServe.COM>
To: Yuan Jiang <yjj%CTR.COLUMBIA.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: CWIN3.0a Vendors in Europe
Message-Id: <911217230648_100020.3121_CHE53-1@CompuServe.COM>
Status: RO

To complete your information

Chinese Windows 3.0a and other language software

can be bought in Europe at
L&S Language and Software
Vienna, Austria
phone (fax) +43-1-310 5229
CS-ID: 100020, 3121

Orders take 2-3 weeks for payment and delivery.
Payable in with EuroCheque
ATS 	3500
DM	 540
FF	1800
Universities and translation offices ask four discounts.
Prices may undergo changes in the next weeks.

Thank you for your attention.



From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Sun Jan  5 02:02:28 1992
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Date:         Sun, 5 Jan 1992 00:58:06 CST
Reply-To: Maoee Tsen <tsen%CHEMSUN.CHEM.UMN.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Sender: Chinese Computing Network <CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
From: Maoee Tsen <tsen%CHEMSUN.CHEM.UMN.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Help with lzh file
Comments: To: CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L <CCNET-L@UGA>
In-Reply-To:  <9201050546.AA01505@chemsun.chem.umn.edu>; from "Bin Zhang" at
              Jan 4, 92 11:43 pm
Status: RO

>
> Hi, everyone!
>
> I downloaded Windows unicom comm. program for PC from the network. It
> is in .lzh format.  I could not extract the files from it.  I got a message
> 'Cannot extract this method.'   Does anyone has any idea what I can do about
> it?  Thank you for your help in advance.
>
	Please try to download the following program from U. of
	Washington or your favorite ftp site.

mirrors/msdos/arc-lbr/lhtools.arc 33038,
	  "Check LZHs for trojans, make self-extract LZHs"
mirrors/msdos/arc-lbr/
	lzhufe.arc 27393,"LZHUFE encoding file compression w/TPascal src"
	sharc24.zip 12664,"View/Extract shell ArcArjZipZooLzhPakDwc, etc."
	zzap62b.zip 95500,"Convert between ARC/DWC/LBR/LZH/PAK/ZIP/ZOO"

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Sender: Chinese Computing Network <CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
From: Yeoh Keung CPHK <CCKYEOH%CPHKVX.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Help needed on using win-word under cwin
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L <CCNET-L@UGA>
Status: RO

I've seen people talking about using win word with cwin.  But some how
it didn't work for my case.
I am not using the MS cwin but the one which add on to the English version
of MS Windows with Dyna fonts.
I've tried to run win-word once. It looks ok on screen, different size of
font and different types of fonts, but when I try to print it, it comes
out with the original 16X15 font output. Can anyone suggest me where I go
wrong.

Thanks in advance.

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Does anyone know the compatiblity of words for window 2.0 and cwin?

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>From: Ping-Yi Chu <IKD2PYC%MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu>
>Does anyone know the compatiblity of words for window 2.0 and cwin?

This is what I got:
The new winword version 2.0 uses OLE.  cwin version 3.0
doesn't work with any apps that uses OLE.  But this could be resolved.
I don't know how this is handled for customers. (A patch program
or an update?, I dont' know.)  I am just another user.

For your and other netters' information,

-xiangjun

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>From: Ping-Yi Chu <IKD2PYC%MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu>
>Does anyone know the compatiblity of words for window 2.0 and cwin?

This is what I got:
The new winword version 2.0 uses OLE.  cwin version 3.0
doesn't work with any apps that uses OLE.  But this could be resolved.
I don't know how this is handled for customers. (A patch program
or an update?, I dont' know.)  I am just another user.

For your and other netters' information,

-xiangjun

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From: Yuan Jiang <yjj%CTR.COLUMBIA.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Chinese Windows and ET: vendors in the US
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Status: RO

This may be a good news to many of you.  I find an ad on World Journal
selling Chinese Windows 3.0A.  It's from
Information Integration, Inc.
East Coast: (301)840-8977 (ask Sheena)
West Coast: (415)840-1320 (ask Eric)
On the ad:
*All MS Windows 3.0 features, adding Chinese input and output capability
*Three fonts (Ming, Yuan[round] and  Hei[black] Ti), scalable
*Screen input, CangJie, Fast, Inercode, ZhuYin
*Free wordprocessing, drawing and form applications
*for business
*for child education

Also available: traditional<->simplified ZhiKu (fonts?), PinYin
input, handwriting input, Chinese OCR.

There are many vendors for Chinese softtware in New York area.
The biggest on is
Abest
83-09 Northern Blvd
Jackson Heights, NY  11372
(718)507-8485, fax:507-7795
It carries the whole line of ET products

On the west coast
Pacific Rim Connections, Inc.
3030 Atwater Dr.
Burlingame, CA  94010
(415)697-0911, Fax:697-9439
is the biggest vendor for Chinese software

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I called Info Integration in Maryland.  Chinese Windows 3.0A costs $149 plus tax
and shipping.  

        It has about 13,000 characters--fanti zi; in 3 months they'll have a kit
for jianti zi.
        Input is by bopomofo (Taiwan zhuyin) using a mouse or by bushou
(radical), but in 3 months they'll have a kit for pinyin input.
        You need English windows to run it and the English has to be installed
first and they have to run in two separate directories.
        You need 2 MG RAM minimum and 8 MG Hard Drive to run both the English
and Chinese windows. 

        Sounds pretty good, but I don't understand about this kit business.
Sounds like an upgrade.

Many thanks for the phone number.  Otherwise I wouldn't have the info!
MAC
        







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My friend just called the Chinese Windows vendor in MD and got this info.
--------

I called Info Integration in Maryland.  Chinese Windows 3.0A costs $149
plus tax and shipping.

        It has about 13,000 characters--fanti zi; in 3 months they'll have
a kit for jianti zi.
        Input is by bopomofo (Taiwan zhuyin) using a mouse or by bushou
(radical), but in 3 months they'll have a kit for pinyin input.
        You need English windows to run it and the English has to be installed
first and they have to run in two separate directories.
        You need 2 MG RAM minimum and 8 MG Hard Drive to run both the English
and Chinese windows.
--------

I thought Chinese Windows has PinYin input feature already and does not
need the regular Windows to run.  Am I wrong?








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From @cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu:IKD2PYC@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU Sat Feb  8 01:53:12 1992
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From: Ping-Yi Chu                          <IKD2PYC%MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: Something new for Chinese Windows?
Status: RO

Which version the the windows 3.0A is this?  A microsoft one or tsu-ts'e-hui
one?  If it is a tsu-ts'e-hui one, perhaps it is not very useful.  As far as
I know, tsu-ts'e-hui's version of windows does not even run words for windows.

  Best Pingyi

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Subject: Something new for Chinese Windows?
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Ni hao!

Don't confuse two, respectively three things. There is Microsoft
Chinese Windows (Zhongwen ban), which is som2 $200 and Sheena from II
in MD does not sell it. Contact WysSystems in HK.
There is Guorong Zhongwen Shichuang HuanJing, which is the product you
are referring to.
There is Taiwan Chinese Windows, an illegal clone already drowned.

And, as rumors like it, there is something weird called Beijing Chinese
Windows, all Jianti Zi. I have not seen it.
I work with the GuoRong, which is very fine. 

Marten Hiesboek, Hanyu Xi, Weiyena Daxue


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Thanks for those whose reponded to my previous posting.  It turns out
there are several Windows products for Chinese.  I almost made a
mistake.  I believe it's worth to share what I got with other
readers.  It may benefit the rest if those who have knowledge of the
software mentioned below can tell us the features and share their experience.

Thanks,

Yuan

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Subject: Re: Something new for Chinese Windows?
Status: R

Which version the the windows 3.0A is this?  A microsoft one or tsu-ts'e-hui
one?  If it is a tsu-ts'e-hui one, perhaps it is not very useful.  As far as
I know, tsu-ts'e-hui's version of windows does not even run words for windows.
------
Subject: Something new for Chinese Windows?

Ni hao!

Don't confuse two, respectively three things. There is Microsoft
Chinese Windows (Zhongwen ban), which is som2 $200 and Sheena from II
in MD does not sell it. Contact WysSystems in HK.
There is Guorong Zhongwen Shichuang HuanJing, which is the product you
are referring to.
There is Taiwan Chinese Windows, an illegal clone already drowned.

And, as rumors like it, there is something weird called Beijing Chinese
Windows, all Jianti Zi. I have not seen it.
I work with the GuoRong, which is very fine.

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Recently, I had friends at Fo Kuang Shan in Taiwan send me a copy of Microsoft
Windows, Chinese version (Chung-kuo pan).  I've loaded it onto my 386SX with
no trouble, but haven't had much time to play around with it.  I understand
that there are difficulties running CWIN concurrently with either MS Word for
Windows or ETen.  I have ETen on order and also have access to MS WfW, so just
to be perverse, I'll try the various combinations out and let people know when
I can.  (Since I have other things going on in my life, this may take a couple
of weeks, so be patient.)


John R. McRae, Asst. Professor, Department of Asian Studies
Project Director, Cornell Chinese-Japanese-Korean Computing and Database
    Facility
East Asia Program
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY  14853-2502
(607) 255-1328; fax:  255-1686

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Hi!
Does anyone know how to get PageMaker 4.0 working in the Guorong
Chinese Windows environment. I can edit chinese character but not print
them. All system screen fonts get distorted once I load PM.
Same with Excel except for the screen. The system halts when I enter
preview mode.

Does anybody have experience with the Dynalab font card in CWIN 3.0 and
would share his experiece with me?

Marten

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Dear Yuan:

I mailed you the info from II on Cwin 3.0A this past weekend.  You'll probably
get it soon. It's quite detailed.

The following discussion was on soc.culture.hongkong the other day.  Don't know
if it was posted to CCNET, so thought you'd like to see it.

It looks like  Chinese Windows doesn't work with MS Word...if this is the real
thing and not the Gurong version.  Now I have to email one of them about that.

MAC

 Subject: Re: chinese windows 3.0 
Date: 14 Feb 92 19:28:01 GMT 
Organization: State University of New York at Albany 
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In-Reply-To: edwong@csa.bu.edu's message of 13 Feb 92 18:53:47 GMT 
 
In article <EDWONG.92Feb13135347@csa.bu.edu> edwong@csa.bu.edu (Edward Wong) wri

tes: 
 
>   Any one has try this software? 
        I have tried this software when I was in Hong Kong last X'mas. 
        It is a wonderful software, however it still need improvement 
        in a lot of areas - like scalable font, more Chinese font, more 
        input method. Also some applications, like Words for Windows 
        does not support the Chinese, like Corel-Draw also not using 
        the system Chinese font... 
Ray 
-- 
======================================================== 
  Raymond Kwok Yin Lung         kwok@cs.albany.edu 
        The Year of Monkey has arrived. Best wishes to all. 
        Kong Hei Fat Choi. Lai See Dou Loi. 
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Article 16576 (130 more) in soc.culture.hongkong: 
From: Allan Lee 
Subject: Re: chinese windows 3.0 
Date: 14 Feb 92 16:13:18 GMT 
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC 
Lines: 6 
 
 
Yes, I have Chinese Windows 3.0, and have installed it.  It does work 
and looks just like regular windows except that everything is in 
Chinese.  I had to delete it, since it took too much space on my HD. 
 
Allan 
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 Nntp-Posting-Host: muser 
 
grid@panix.com (Allan Lee) writes: 
 
 
>Yes, I have Chinese Windows 3.0, and have installed it.  It does work 
>and looks just like regular windows except that everything is in 
>Chinese.  I had to delete it, since it took too much space on my HD. 
 
I'd deleted it after installation in 10 mins last summer. I wondered if it 
could support other window's software like flow chart or ET. Besides I was 
impatient of its slow operation, I run it on 386DX and my feeling was just 
like using an XT PC. It even could not run in enhanced mode though I'd already 
followed its instructions. 
Maybe it will be better in its latest version but I will not install it 
anymore. 
 
 
-- 
 
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Fred K.K.Soo                            | Internet : k.k.soo@bradford.ac.uk 
Department of computing, Bradford, UK   | Janet    : k.k.soo@uk.ac.bradford 
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via: mailbox 1, MACARTELLI on MCI ** Message Received OK      
Date:     Mon Feb 17, 1992 11:42 pm  EST
Source-Date: Mon, 17 Feb 92 23:39:07 -0500
From:     Raymond Y. Kwok
          EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414
          MBX: kwok@cs.albany.edu
TO:     * Mary Anne Cartelli / MCI ID: 492-7042
Subject:  Chinese Windows
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Mary,

The Chinese Windows I talked about is joint developed by Microsoft and some
companies in Taiwan (Microsoft Taiwan so to say). I heard about the joint
development dated back 1990. 

Some of my friends are written utilities for the MS Chinese Windows, and
have conducted an extensive test on the MS Chinese Windows. When I am back
in Hongkong last X'mas, my friends have shown me their development and
when have discussed on the test on the MS Chinese Winodws. They said that
it does not work well with MS Word for Windows - it does not handle
double-byte character (Chinese) well.

Another drawbacks about MS Chinese Windows is that it takes up a lot of
disk space - for Chinese font and Chinese input method. Since it is 
developed in Taiwan, it support traditional Chinese. If you want to
use simplified Chinese (GB code instead of BIG5 code), you have to
look for those fonts and input method yourself :-<

I do not know anything about Guorong version. I'm appreciate if you could
forward me with some information in order to boarden my computer (PC)
knowledge in multilangual processing.

Ray
P.S. It has been years I have working on multilangual processing, still
     I do not have clue to have system/applications that support the idea.

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Dear Yuan:

They really seem to be having a good discussion about this software on the Hong
Kong BBS.  Lucky for me.  I'm sending it on to you since I know you are
collecting this information.


Article 16740 (74 more) in soc.culture.hongkong: 
From: Suet Chan 
Subject: Re: chinese windows 3.0 
Date: 19 Feb 92 08:40:14 GMT 
Organization: Co-Cam Computer Group, Oz 
Lines: 28 

In article <EDWONG.92Feb13135347@csa.bu.edu> edwong@csa.bu.edu writes: 
>Any one has try this software? 
 
Yes and I quite like it. Programs that run on ordinary Windows will run on 
Chinese Windows exactly the same way. Programs that receive user input, such as 
Excel or Word, will have a Chinese input straight away. 
 
Use Word as an example, you can type in Chinese characters and format them 
with the same commands in Word for English text. Of course the spell checker 
would be irrelevant for Chinese. As for grammer checker, you'll one for 
Chinese. 
 
To take the full advantage of Chinese Windows, a program has to be designed 
from ground up in a CW-oriented fashion. 
 
What I don't like about the current version of Chinese Windows is its crude 
translation of the texts from English to Chinese. Most of the texts are just 
translated literally, with little or none consideration to its intended 
Chinese users. This version of CW was creation of MicroSoft-Taiwan, and 
quality of English-Chinese translation done in Taiwan is usually lower than 
in mainland China (I am prepared to receive criticism on this statement). 
 
Nonetheless, CW is an exciting thing. It opens a lot of ways to Graphical User 
Excel or Word, will have a Chinese input straight away. 
  
I like to hear other comments. 
 
SC. 
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In article <RK7151.92Feb14132801@thor.albany.edu> 
rk7151@csc.albany.edu (KWOK RAYMOND Y) writes: 
> 
>       It is a wonderful software, however it still need improvement 
>       in a lot of areas - like scalable font, more Chinese font, more 
>       input method. Also some applications, like Words for Windows 
 
Agree. 
 
>       input method. Also some applications, like Words for Windows 
>       does not support the Chinese, like Corel-Draw also not using 
 
This is not quite true. 
 
For sure Word for Windows is not originally designed to run 
under Chinese Windows, but most of the stuff available in Word for English text 
are available to Chinese as well. Scalable fonts, text and document formatting 
facilities are all there. 
 
As I said in my other article, all programs that receive text input can be used 
in CW to accept Chinese characters. Think about, you can create a spreadsheet 
in Chinese with MicroSoft Excel !! 
   
Cheers. 
 
SC. 
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Article 16772 (72 more) in soc.culture.hongkong: 
From: Boniface Lau 
Subject: Re: chinese windows 3.0 
Date: 20 Feb 92 03:56:09 GMT 
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada. 
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In-reply-to: suet@auzodt3.mel.cocam.oz.au's message of 19 Feb 92 08:40:14 GMT  

>>>>> On 19 Feb 92 08:40:14 GMT, suet@auzodt3.mel.cocam.oz.au (Suet Chan) said: 
 
Suet> Yes and I quite like it. Programs that run on ordinary Windows 
Suet> will run on Chinese Windows exactly the same way. Programs that 
Suet> receive user input, such as Excel or Word, will have a Chinese 
Suet> input straight away. 
 
Suet> Use Word as an example, you can type in Chinese characters and 
Suet> format them with the same commands in Word for English text. Of 
Suet> course the spell checker would be irrelevant for Chinese. As for 
Suet> grammer checker, you'll one for Chinese. 
 
Do you know which of the Chinese character input system(s) are 
supported by Chinese Windows? 
 
-- 
Boniface Lau    (613) 592-2122 ext. 3042    Boniface_Lau@Mitel.COM 
Mitel Corp. 
350 Legget Drive, Kanata 
Ontario, Canada, K2K 1X3 
 

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To: Yuan Jiang <yjj@ctr.columbia.edu>
Subject: More on MS Chinese Windows
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Dear Yuan:

They really seem to be having a good discussion about this software on the Hong
Kong BBS.  Lucky for me.  I'm sending it on to you since I know you are
collecting this information.


Article 16740 (74 more) in soc.culture.hongkong: 
From: Suet Chan 
Subject: Re: chinese windows 3.0 
Date: 19 Feb 92 08:40:14 GMT 
Organization: Co-Cam Computer Group, Oz 
Lines: 28 

In article <EDWONG.92Feb13135347@csa.bu.edu> edwong@csa.bu.edu writes: 
>Any one has try this software? 
 
Yes and I quite like it. Programs that run on ordinary Windows will run on 
Chinese Windows exactly the same way. Programs that receive user input, such as 
Excel or Word, will have a Chinese input straight away. 
 
Use Word as an example, you can type in Chinese characters and format them 
with the same commands in Word for English text. Of course the spell checker 
would be irrelevant for Chinese. As for grammer checker, you'll one for 
Chinese. 
 
To take the full advantage of Chinese Windows, a program has to be designed 
from ground up in a CW-oriented fashion. 
 
What I don't like about the current version of Chinese Windows is its crude 
translation of the texts from English to Chinese. Most of the texts are just 
translated literally, with little or none consideration to its intended 
Chinese users. This version of CW was creation of MicroSoft-Taiwan, and 
quality of English-Chinese translation done in Taiwan is usually lower than 
in mainland China (I am prepared to receive criticism on this statement). 
 
Nonetheless, CW is an exciting thing. It opens a lot of ways to Graphical User 
Excel or Word, will have a Chinese input straight away. 
  
I like to hear other comments. 
 
SC. 
End of article 16740 (of 16774)--what next? [npq] 


In article <RK7151.92Feb14132801@thor.albany.edu> 
rk7151@csc.albany.edu (KWOK RAYMOND Y) writes: 
> 
>       It is a wonderful software, however it still need improvement 
>       in a lot of areas - like scalable font, more Chinese font, more 
>       input method. Also some applications, like Words for Windows 
 
Agree. 
 
>       input method. Also some applications, like Words for Windows 
>       does not support the Chinese, like Corel-Draw also not using 
 
This is not quite true. 
 
For sure Word for Windows is not originally designed to run 
under Chinese Windows, but most of the stuff available in Word for English text 
are available to Chinese as well. Scalable fonts, text and document formatting 
facilities are all there. 
 
As I said in my other article, all programs that receive text input can be used 
in CW to accept Chinese characters. Think about, you can create a spreadsheet 
in Chinese with MicroSoft Excel !! 
   
Cheers. 
 
SC. 
End of article 16741 (of 16774)--what next? [npq] 


Article 16772 (72 more) in soc.culture.hongkong: 
From: Boniface Lau 
Subject: Re: chinese windows 3.0 
Date: 20 Feb 92 03:56:09 GMT 
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada. 
Lines: 20 
In-reply-to: suet@auzodt3.mel.cocam.oz.au's message of 19 Feb 92 08:40:14 GMT  

>>>>> On 19 Feb 92 08:40:14 GMT, suet@auzodt3.mel.cocam.oz.au (Suet Chan) said: 
 
Suet> Yes and I quite like it. Programs that run on ordinary Windows 
Suet> will run on Chinese Windows exactly the same way. Programs that 
Suet> receive user input, such as Excel or Word, will have a Chinese 
Suet> input straight away. 
 
Suet> Use Word as an example, you can type in Chinese characters and 
Suet> format them with the same commands in Word for English text. Of 
Suet> course the spell checker would be irrelevant for Chinese. As for 
Suet> grammer checker, you'll one for Chinese. 
 
Do you know which of the Chinese character input system(s) are 
supported by Chinese Windows? 
 
-- 
Boniface Lau    (613) 592-2122 ext. 3042    Boniface_Lau@Mitel.COM 
Mitel Corp. 
350 Legget Drive, Kanata 
Ontario, Canada, K2K 1X3 
 

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Article 16740 (74 more) in soc.culture.hongkong:
From: Suet Chan
Subject: Re: chinese windows 3.0
Date: 19 Feb 92 08:40:14 GMT
Organization: Co-Cam Computer Group, Oz
Lines: 28

In article <EDWONG.92Feb13135347@csa.bu.edu> edwong@csa.bu.edu writes:
>Any one has try this software?

Yes and I quite like it. Programs that run on ordinary Windows will run on
Chinese Windows exactly the same way. Programs that receive user input, such as
Excel or Word, will have a Chinese input straight away.

Use Word as an example, you can type in Chinese characters and format them
with the same commands in Word for English text. Of course the spell checker
would be irrelevant for Chinese. As for grammer checker, you'll one for
Chinese.

To take the full advantage of Chinese Windows, a program has to be designed
from ground up in a CW-oriented fashion.

What I don't like about the current version of Chinese Windows is its crude
translation of the texts from English to Chinese. Most of the texts are just
translated literally, with little or none consideration to its intended
Chinese users. This version of CW was creation of MicroSoft-Taiwan, and
quality of English-Chinese translation done in Taiwan is usually lower than
in mainland China (I am prepared to receive criticism on this statement).

Nonetheless, CW is an exciting thing. It opens a lot of ways to Graphical User
Excel or Word, will have a Chinese input straight away.

I like to hear other comments.

SC.
End of article 16740 (of 16774)--what next? [npq]


In article <RK7151.92Feb14132801@thor.albany.edu>
rk7151@csc.albany.edu (KWOK RAYMOND Y) writes:
>
>       It is a wonderful software, however it still need improvement
>       in a lot of areas - like scalable font, more Chinese font, more
>       input method. Also some applications, like Words for Windows

Agree.

>       input method. Also some applications, like Words for Windows
>       does not support the Chinese, like Corel-Draw also not using

This is not quite true.

For sure Word for Windows is not originally designed to run
under Chinese Windows, but most of the stuff available in Word for English text
are available to Chinese as well. Scalable fonts, text and document formatting
facilities are all there.

As I said in my other article, all programs that receive text input can be used
in CW to accept Chinese characters. Think about, you can create a spreadsheet
in Chinese with MicroSoft Excel !!

Cheers.

SC.
End of article 16741 (of 16774)--what next? [npq]


Article 16772 (72 more) in soc.culture.hongkong:
From: Boniface Lau
Subject: Re: chinese windows 3.0
Date: 20 Feb 92 03:56:09 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
Lines: 20
In-reply-to: suet@auzodt3.mel.cocam.oz.au's message of 19 Feb 92 08:40:14 GMT

>>>>> On 19 Feb 92 08:40:14 GMT, suet@auzodt3.mel.cocam.oz.au (Suet Chan) said:

Suet> Yes and I quite like it. Programs that run on ordinary Windows
Suet> will run on Chinese Windows exactly the same way. Programs that
Suet> receive user input, such as Excel or Word, will have a Chinese
Suet> input straight away.

Suet> Use Word as an example, you can type in Chinese characters and
Suet> format them with the same commands in Word for English text. Of
Suet> course the spell checker would be irrelevant for Chinese. As for
Suet> grammer checker, you'll one for Chinese.

Do you know which of the Chinese character input system(s) are
supported by Chinese Windows?

--
Boniface Lau    (613) 592-2122 ext. 3042    Boniface_Lau@Mitel.COM
Mitel Corp.
350 Legget Drive, Kanata
Ontario, Canada, K2K 1X3
 

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From: Mary Anne Cartelli <0004927042@mcimail.com>
To: Yuan Jiang <yjj@ctr.columbia.edu>
Subject: Chinese windows
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Status: RO

I got another fax from WysSystem re MS Chinese Windows.  I was right.  They were
just trying to sell me the GBII card to make some more money.

MS Chinese Windows has 13,500 characters and requires 14MG hard disk space. 
It's still too many MG. Plus all those HK students didn't sound very
enthusiastic about it.  I think I'll probably have to buy Guorong. Do you think
it looks like good software?  You know much more than I do about this stuff.

Best,

Mary Anne

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To: Yuan Jiang <yjj@ctr.columbia.edu>
Subject: (Forwarded) Chinese Windows in HK
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Here's a message I received from Marten Hiesboek today, which you will find of
interest. Doesn't sound right for me.

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Date:     Mon Feb 10, 1992  6:41 am  EST
Source-Date: Mon, Feb 10, 1992 06:15 AM EST
From:     Marten Hiesboek
          EMS: COMPUSERVE / MCI ID: 281-6320
          MBX: [100020,3121]
TO:     * Mary Anne Cartelli / MCI ID: 492-7042
Subject:  Chinese Windows in HK
Message-Id: 53920210114135/0002816320NA4EM
Source-Msg-Id: 920210111534 100020.3121 CHE28-2

Greetings,

WysSystem's address is as follows:
19/f C&D Trust Tower 
68 Johnston Rd.
Wanchai
Hong Kong
Tel. 852-529-1831
Fax.852-529-5742

Contact Stephen Siu and give my regards.

As for Sheena and II:
Few weeks ago, she didn't even know that Microsoft had its own, fully
chinese windows environment. The Kuo-jung (guorong) version she sells
is an add-on onto the English windows. Which leaves all the menus you
are used to, adds zhongwen lunru facility and three typefaces, scalable
up to 30 points. (The Dynalab II card is fully supported, with it, 
ouput is marvellous.)
You use write.exe, which is called Dazuojia (Big writer), as to
distinct from MS's Xiao Zuojia, to edit simple text and it works
extremly fast. You print directly to any HP II or 24pin printer, 
PostScript is not supported yet but is planned.
Input method for Hanyu Pinyin and dictionaries will be released in
April this year.

Don't hesitate to contact me on further details,

Marten.

---------------------------------
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To: Yuan Jiang <yjj@ctr.columbia.edu>
Subject: (Forwarded) Chinese Windows
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I am forwarding the reply I got from the guy on soc.culture.hongkong who said MS
Chinese Windows didn't work with MS Word.  Here, he seems to be saying it does
work, but not well.

I also got a fax from Hong Kong WysSystems about MS Chinese Windows. They say:

1) MS Chinese Windows with Chinese characters in any typeface or size works in
MS Word.

2) Their system includes MS Chinese Windows & a DynaLab Golden Butterfly II card
(a Chinese font card) with 13,500 characters plus 100 odd Cantonese characters.
You can create new characters, but only in dot matrix format.

3) This system takes 20MG of hard disk to run.

4) Price for Chinese Windows is US$200; price of cheapest (one basic font) GB II
card is US$260.


I don't have that kind of space on my 40MG hard disk (MS Word and Windows take
up 15MG of space, plus I have DOS in there and my communications software--all
necessary), so unless it can run on less I can't use it. I wonder if the GB II
card is necessary or they are just trying to make extra money. What do you
think?

How come the Guorong program doesn't take up as much space? I assume that's
because it runs off  English Windows?

So, I haven't decided what to do yet.  Still up in the air.  But yes, I will
stick to my objective and find something that works with MS Word.  Right now,
the Guorong looks like the way to go.

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Date:     Mon Feb 17, 1992 11:42 pm  EST
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From:     Raymond Y. Kwok
          EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414
          MBX: kwok@cs.albany.edu
TO:     * Mary Anne Cartelli / MCI ID: 492-7042
Subject:  Chinese Windows
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Mary,

The Chinese Windows I talked about is joint developed by Microsoft and some
companies in Taiwan (Microsoft Taiwan so to say). I heard about the joint
development dated back 1990. 

Some of my friends are written utilities for the MS Chinese Windows, and
have conducted an extensive test on the MS Chinese Windows. When I am back
in Hongkong last X'mas, my friends have shown me their development and
when have discussed on the test on the MS Chinese Winodws. They said that
it does not work well with MS Word for Windows - it does not handle
double-byte character (Chinese) well.

Another drawbacks about MS Chinese Windows is that it takes up a lot of
disk space - for Chinese font and Chinese input method. Since it is 
developed in Taiwan, it support traditional Chinese. If you want to
use simplified Chinese (GB code instead of BIG5 code), you have to
look for those fonts and input method yourself :-<

I do not know anything about Guorong version. I'm appreciate if you could
forward me with some information in order to boarden my computer (PC)
knowledge in multilangual processing.

Ray
P.S. It has been years I have working on multilangual processing, still
     I do not have clue to have system/applications that support the idea.

---------------------------------
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To: ALL <yjj%CTR.COLUMBIA.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: CWIN 3.0a + WW2.0 
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Does anybody know how to solve the problem of Word for Windows 2.0 not
permitting CWIN 3.0a characters. I havn't tried with Dynafont yet. WW
2.0 changes the system fonts during installation and you have to remove
the "small fonts" in order to keep Chinese system fonts. So either
preview option in WW 2.0 or Chinese desktop.

Anybody solved this dilemma!



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Is there any additional chinese font which is suitable to use in the Microsoft
chinese window system? If there is, please tell me. Thank you!

                      Internet address: NCKUS202@TWNMOE10.EDU.TW

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Hi Yuan:

I'm writing you from Hong Kong.  Unfortunately, I was too busy to see you before
I left.

In response to your message recommending I buy MS Chinese windows, I am sending
you a message I just received from Marten Hiesboek. Sounds like Guorong won't
work with Word 2.0 (what I have) and MS Chinese Windows also has some problems.
I think he's wrong, though, that it doesn't support the Dynafont card. I was
told that it does.

Anyway, I'm here now and I will personally make the rounds of all the  computer
companies and see for myself.

I'll be in touch.

Best,
Mary Anne

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From:     Marten Hiesboek
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          MBX: [100020,3121]
TO:     * Mary Anne Cartelli / MCI ID: 492-7042
Subject:  Chinese Windows in HK
Message-Id: 82920228234328/0002816320NA2EM
Source-Msg-Id: 920228233005 100020.3121 CHE48-2

Sorry for the delay, but I was in Taiwan for several weeks.

1) Word for Windows 1.1 works nicely unter CWIN 3.0a, although you need
the Dynafont font card to print. The three fonts the come with CWIN do
not print correctly.
2) I have Word for Windows 2.0 now and it doesn't work at all with CWIN
3.0a. I'm trying to find support myself. WW20 changes sys fonts and
really goes its own way.
3) I find CWIN 3.0a superior to Microsoft Windows Chinese: The latter
does not support the marvellous Dynafont Card and it is said to be
unstable in memory management. CWIN 3.0a leaves you with the English
menus you know well yet providing every method to enter, edit, print
text in as many languages as you want (if you have ATM). I do little
work in classics too and I did have any problems to localte my
characters. Pinyin will be available in April. Zhuyinfuhao, Zangjie and
Sucheng Lurun Fa are already in the package. 

I do recommend the CWIN 3.0a environment.
If you have further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Marten


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From: HAIZI XU <USERSP45%UBCMTSG.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
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Dear Netters:

    Seeing a message asking for info about Chinese Fonts for Windows,
I thought maybe the following tips might be of your interest.

    Top Computech, a Canadian company located in Vancouver, have
developed 32 kinds of Postscript Chinese fonts for use under Windows.
The company claims that most English software for windows can handle
those Chinese fonts without any alteration. They are fully scalable
and can be used by Adobe Type Manager, according to their ad.. They
are given the name TopFonts.

    Though I have not got a chance to have my hands on the package,
I am really impressed by the sample printouts of those fonts. They
are claimed to be the first One-Byte dynamic Chinese fonts library
in the world, which also support Eten, GuoQiao, CangJi, WuBi, PinYin
XinTianMa, DaXueShi, and XiaLiBaRen input methods.

    Their address: Suite 208, 10 E. Pender St.
                   Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6A 1T1
                   Tel: (604) 682-5485 FAx: (604) 682-4078

    Happy Chinese Computing to you!

Haizi

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---(Forwarded from: HAIZI_XU@mtsg.ubc.ca, Dated: Wed, 4 Mar 92 00:41:16 PST)---
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 92 00:41:16 PST
From: HAIZI.XU@mtsg.ubc.ca
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Message-ID: <3594853@mtsg.ubc.ca>
Subject: Chinese Fonts for Windows 3.0

Dear Netters:

    Seeing a message asking for info about Chinese Fonts for Windows,
I thought maybe the following tips might be of your interest.

    Top Computech, a Canadian company located in Vancouver, have
developed 32 kinds of Postscript Chinese fonts for use under Windows.
The company claims that most English software for windows can handle
those Chinese fonts without any alteration. They are fully scalable
and can be used by Adobe Type Manager, according to their ad.. They
are given the name TopFonts.

    Though I have not got a chance to have my hands on the package,
I am really impressed by the sample printouts of those fonts. They
are claimed to be the first One-Byte dynamic Chinese fonts library
in the world, which also support Eten, GuoQiao, CangJi, WuBi, PinYin
XinTianMa, DaXueShi, and XiaLiBaRen input methods.

    Their address: Suite 208, 10 E. Pender St.
                   Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6A 1T1
                   Tel: (604) 682-5485 FAx: (604) 682-4078

    Happy Chinese Computing to you!

Haizi

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Subject:      Chinese Windows Shareware
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There are already shareware products for CWIN 3.0a environment. One of
them is a series of "Smart Code Tables" to help you input Chinese
characters into any application you are using.

A really smart board that gives you direct access to the BIG-5 or TCA
characters you normally cannot access through phonetic input.
Comes in different versions for different purposes (Maths, Zhuyin Fuhao, .
. ) Shareware, 1/2 of your reg. fee goes to AIDS Help.

- needs VBRUN100.DLL to run (Visual Basic program)
- Shareware, this version for BIG5 and CWIN3.0a especially. Have a look!

- This program can be downloaded from CompuServe MS APPS or FLEFO Forum.
If you don't have access to CS, send a fax to +43-1-310 5229 in Austria,
Europe. From the US dial 011431-3105229.

Malone l.a.s.
Vienna, Austria

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>Fm: Avron Boretz
>I do use Chinese Windows, and there are Chinese soft fonts for
>it (indirect reply to someone's earlier question).  However, I
>would like to know about other available fonts, as well as the
>answer to that person's question, namely, is there any way to
>integrate such fonts with Adobe Type Manager.

You seem to be doing what I want to do, which is run Chinese word processing
programs under Chinese Windows (Taiwan Microsoft). I have installed CWIN3.0
successfully on an AT system, and WRITE and IDEOWORD both work normally,
including bitmap and PostScript printouts. When I try to install
applications from English Windows 3.0, specifically WP4WIN, it doesn't work.
WP4WIN will install, and work normally in the CWIN environment, but refuses
to give me printer updates for Chinese fonts. The HPLJ printer file can be
updated to match the current environment (i.e. with Chinese), but Chinese
still does not appear on the font list. The PS printer will not update
(displays an error message with an unclear cause).

If anyone if familiar with running WP4WIN or VENTURA4WIN under CWIN, with
support for Chinese fonts, I would greatly appreciate assistance in getting
it to work on my system as well.

Edward Lipsett, President
Advanced Technology Information Center, Inc.
1-22-14-204 Ohashi
Minami-ku, Fukuoka 815 JAPAN
Tel: +81-92-511-8074
Fax: +81-92-553-8134
CompuServe: 72011,1203

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Fri Apr 24 01:43:36 1992
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Anybody has experience with the CH Winddows 3.0 with TrueType fonts? I am very
much interested in do those outline fonts work and how the qualities are in
printout.  What type printers does those TT fonts require? What utility to use
to get those fonts under widdows?  Any other excitment or comments?

Pleace share your experience with the rest of us!

-- Jack

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 Hi, netters,

 Several months ago, somebody posted a message on this network
 giving out the information about so-called TOPFONT CHINESE
 SYSTEM (a Vancouver-based company product).  The following
 are something this system (basic package) can't do

 1) For a PostScript output,

     You can bold and italicize you Chinese characters in English
 word processors and see the effect on screen, but you cannot get
 it from your Postscript printer. So it's not really WYSIWYG.
     You have to add internal commands to do these things just as
 XLBR and NJSTAR.
     But the internal command \B for bolding is not useable for the
 basic system.

 2) You need the ATM v1.15 to use the product. It does not support
 ATM v2.0 yet.


     It is cumbersome to run BRIDGE outside Windows each time for a new
 file you want to work with. You have to keep at least two files to retain
 all the formatting you have just done.

 The chinese characters printed out are not as beautiful as XLBR or
 NJSTAR.

 userffao@mtsgubc.bitnet

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Sat Jun 13 02:14:11 1992
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Subject:      chinese window 3.0 and other softwares
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As more and more window softwares come out, it seems that problem of
compatibility between them and Chinese window 3.0 becomes more serious.
Does  anyone know how to deal with these problems? Or does anyone know
whether microsoft has plan to deal with these problems or not?
I got a demo from a software called Spring (ch'uan-yuan) which is produced
in Germany. It has several Chinese fonts and it seems to be able to deal
with complicated wordprocessing such as make footnotes. However, it is very
expensive. Does anyone know more information about it?
I appreciate your answer. Thanks.

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Sat Jun 13 18:34:02 1992
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CWIN 3.0 out of the box does have some compatibility problems, chiefly related
to OLE (Object Linking and Embedding).  These can almost all be solved by
installing the new drivers and patches provided by MS-Taiwan (WDL, or Windows
Driver Library).  It is available free from MS-Taiwan (if you need their
address, etc., let me know).  I had a number of problems with Winword 2.0
(wouldn't print) and Norton Desktop for Windows (wouldn't install properly)
but all were solved with the new drivers/patches.  I have not had any serious
or unusual problems with any new programs, either commercial or shareware,
since then, although Windows 3.0 is not a terribly stable operating environ-
ment however you slice it, so UAE's ("Unrecoverable Application Errors") are
all-but-inevitable.  The US version of Windows 3.1 supposedly solves many of
these problems, and we are anxiously awaiting the promised release of CWIN 3.1.
However, I have not been able to get a straight answer out of the folks in
Taipei as to when it is due out.  The possibilities for the 32-bit WindowsNT,
which will utilize Unicode, and Desqview/X, which allows Xwindows networking and
graphics interface on a PC, also offer possibilities that are more promising
than the current CWIN 3.0, but at the moment that's what we've got.
I don't know anything about this German program you mentioned, though I'm
interested to find out anything anyone might know about it...???  However,
for me the real problem with CWIN 3.0 is its lack of a good entry system --
it only comes with "Tsang-jie" and the standard ET-keyboard mapped version of
the bo-po-mo-fo entry system, neither of which are intuitive to English key-
board users.  I suggested some time ago to MS-Taiwan that they write a pinyin
entry file, at least, but their response was simply that none existed...

Hope there's something of interest or use to you (and anyone else) here --
I'd like to hear from others using CWIN 3.0 --
Avron Boretz

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Interesting.  I was not aware that there was a separate product called CWIN,
so I was using the abbreviation in ignorance.  I *was* talking about the 
Taiwan product developed by Microsoft Taiwan.  There is another Taiwan-
developed product, a program which you install on top of the standard US
version of Windows 3.0 -- could this be the so-called CWIN?  I would be 
surprised if a US company would invest its time and $$ in a Chinese version of
Windows.  I have seen that product, and it's not bad, though ultimately more
cumbersome and (I would guess) more prone to compatibility problems than the 
program written by Microsoft itself.  Please do let me know (for the sake of 
pure research!) if this is CWIN.  Thanks!

Avron

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| Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.announce
| Subject: Microsoft Far East SDK for Windows
| Message-ID: <1992Jun17.003022.16872@microsoft.com>
| Date: 17 Jun 92 00:30:22 GMT
| Sender: news+@pitt.edu
| Followup-To: fesdkmkt@microsoft
| Organization: Microsoft Corporation
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| Approved: infidel+@pitt.edu
| Originator: infidel@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu
|
| Microsoft is pleased to announce the release of the Microsoft Windows
| Far East (Japanese, Chinese, and Korean) Software Development Kit.  The
| Far East SDK is designed for the non Far East developer interested in
| developing applications for Far East markets.  It contains the
| releases, tools, and samples needed for localizing into the double-byte
| character set languages.  The following software on CD-ROM is included:
|
|         -Windows 3.0 Japanese Edition Retail (Special ISA/VGA build)
|         -Windows 3.0 Japanese Edition SDK (Special ISA/VGA build)
|         -Windows 3.0 Chinese Edition Retail
|         -Windows 3.0 Chinese Edition SDK Extension
|         -Windows 3.0 Chinese Edition DDK Extension
|         -Windows 3.0 Korean Edition Retail
|         -Windows 3.0 Korean Edition SDK
|         -Windows 3.0 Korean Edition DDK
|         -MS-DOS 5.0 Korean Edition
|
| In addition, the kit contains documentation (in English) on the
| individual products as well as market information, DBCS programming
| basics, and Far East localization information.  On a experimental
| basis, Microsoft is making this kit available for free!  To obtain your
| free copy of the Far East SDK, you can message your request to
| fesdkmkt@microsoft or fax your request to Microsoft (attn: Far East
| Developer Services) at (206) 936-7329.
|

From sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!bcm!tamsun.tamu.edu!allenli Mon Jul  6 12:21:22 EDT 1992
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From: allenli@cs.tamu.edu (Wei-Lun Li)
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Subject: Chinese Microsoft Windows 3.0
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Anybody here use BIG-5 code?  Anybody use Microsoft Windows?
There are two Chinese Windows available and both of them are
better and easier than any Chinese systems discussed here.

The first version is done by III (Information Industrial Institute?).
It requires English version of Windows to install.  You can use mouse
to input Chinese characters very easily.

The second version is done by Microsoft Taipei.  This version is
integrated into the original Windows so you don't need to buy the
English version of Windows.  Currently Microsoft is giving it
away as CD-ROM form to the developers of Windows Programs.  Please
see comp.os.ms-windows.announce.  It is part of the Microsoft
Windows Far East Editions Development Kit and Chinese Edition
SDK Extension.

Both of these two versions come with several scalable Chinese fonts.
You can print them out nicely using popular dot-matrix and laser
printers.  You can mix Chinese text with graphics (by using Windows'
apps) and you can e-mail them or fax them if you got a modem or
faxmodem.

Both versions have been retailed for more than one year.  The Chinese
Characters are in complex form because both of them are developed in
Taiwan.  However, simplified characters versions are in development.

They are commercial products.  The price in Taiwan is about U.S.$120
to $180.  I am neither a retailer nor related to any of the companies,
so don't send your request to me.  If you are interest in these
product, you can (1) call Microsoft or (2) ask a friend in Taiwan to
buy it for you or (3) read U.S. versions of Chinese Newspapers to
find who are the retailers. (in advertisement section)

-- Wei-Lun Li


From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Wed May 13 07:47:59 1992
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Hello all,

a few weeks ago I was asking  about ways to add Chinese characters
to a WordPerfect document.  Thanks for all the replies!  Here is a
short summary:

The most  promising  way seems to be  a program  called  "HanWord"
which is shipped for $ 125.00 by Acme Software,  P.O. Box 37-8416,
Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A.  It is supposed to work with WordPerfect
Version 5.0 or 5.1 on IBM compatibles.

WordPerfect 4.2  seems to to run also with the  "ET"  system,  but
there are some problems with printing.

That's it!
	  Hartmut
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From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Fri Jul 24 14:03:30 1992
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I just installed the chinese windows last night.  The installation
went well, with 2 problems.

I'm running DOS 5.0, and it requires a file called wina20.386 in
your boot drive root directory.  I didn't have that and had to expand
it from my DOS install diskette.

Also, the default configuration does not allow me to start up a DOS
session from cwin.  Haven't figured out what to do here yet.  Maybe
it's time to read the manual.

Initial observations?  It looks exactly like windows 3.  Quite slick.
I have trouble with the jargon used to label buttons, commands.  Guess
one has to get used to the translation.

john sun
jsun@torolab5.vnet.ibm.com

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In response to a query from Bo Yang, here is the information I have
on Twinbridge, Multi-lingual System for Windows 3.0.  I have not used
the system myself, and am anxious to hear from anyone who has.
"Twinbridge, from IST Corporation, supports all Windows
3.0 functions in Chinese and prints on an HP Laserjet or
a dot matrix printer in Chinese, English, Russian and Greek as
well as Japanese Kana.  (It also comes in a full Japanese multi-
lingual version....)  There is on-line help, including keyboard
maps for every input method.  Input methods include Pinyin, Zhuyin,
English to Chinese and 10 other popular methods used in Taiwan and the PRC.
It urns on an automatic sorting technolgoy to greatly increase the
speed of Chinese input.  Comes with a built-in Chinese dictionary
with more than 50,000 phrases.
     THe basic edition comes with either two bitmap fornts for
traditional and simplified Song in 24x24 point size or eight
bitmap fornts:  Song, Kai, Hei, and FangSong.  The Basic Edition
also contains a Chinese Text Editor similar to Notepad in
WIndows and a Chinese Drawing Tool Similar to Paintbrush in WIndows.
The  Professional Edition comes with outline fonts up to 64 points in tradition
al and simplifeied Song.  It also includes a Multi-Document
Text Editor for editing multiple documents at once and a Chinese Drawing Tool m
uch like Microsoft's Power  Point.  Professional Editionare outline fonts
come in traditional or simplified Song, FangSong, Kai and Hei.
Supports GB levels I, II, and III Chinese characters.
Prices:
Two font Basic $149
8 font Basic $399
Two font Professional $399
Five font pro $599
Eight font prof. $799
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION:  Pacific Rim Connections, Inc.
1838 El Camino Real #109, Burlingame, CA  94010
415-697-0911
415-697-9439 (fax)

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Reply-To: Dorothy Day <DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
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From: Dorothy Day <DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Microsoft Far East SDK kit & Windows 3.1
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I wonder how many members of this list requested the free Microsoft
Far East Windows Software Development Kit. What arrives Air Express is
a 10-inch stack of manuals and a CD-ROM disk full of software,
including Chinese Windows 3.0, Japanese Windows 3.0, and Korean
Windows 3.0.

Has anyone tried any of these versions in conjunction with Windows 3.1?
Are there any conflicts? Does Microsoft Word for Windows 2.0 or other
software seem to work smoothly under any of them?

Has anyone discovered or devised a way to enter Japanese _kana_ under
Chinese Windows?

Can you get both Jianti and Fanti characters under Chinese Windows?
Are the references to a ROM card in one of the manuals intended for
specialized applications?

Does anyone regularly patch characters from a Chinese program for
Windows into another Windows (Western language) wordprocessor?

Many thanks,
Dorothy Day, Indiana University
Bitnet: DAY@IUBACS
Internet: day@ucs.indiana.edu

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From: Carlos McEvilly <MOEG013%TWNMOE10.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Word for Windows 2.0 and Chinese
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This is in response to an earlier query by Dorothy Day.

I don't use W4W much, but I asked my colleague about W4W 2.0 and
Chinese Windows 3.0 (Microsoft).  She said they work fine together.

She said that you must copy a file called shell.dll from disk 2 of
the W4W disks to your Windows directory for the programs to work
properly.  She even prints on a 9-pin printer and gets readable
quality.  I've seen W4W 1.0 printouts of Chinese from an HP
Laserjet III, and the quality was excellent.  This doesn't answer
many of the original questions, but may be of interest.

I'm curious about the Far East SDK, Dorothy: does it come with SDK
manuals, or just with manuals for the Chinese, Japanese, and Korean
Windows?  Does it come with floppy diskettes also, or only a CD-ROM?

- Carlos McEvilly
  moeg013@twnmoe10.edu.tw
  moeg013@twnmoe10.bitnet

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From: Carlos McEvilly <MOEG013%TWNMOE10.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Word for Windows 2.0 and Chinese Windows
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One more note about Windows and Chinese:

You can create a Big-5 file under another Chinese system such as ETen
if you prefer this to working in Windows.  Then you open the document
in Word for Windows, responding to the "convert from file type" prompt
(not an exact quote) with the "Convert from Text" choice.

Word will read the text file in and, if Chinese Windows is running,
display it in Chinese characters (fanti).  Last time I asked Microsoft
Taiwan, they said there were no plans for a simplified character
version (however that might change now that China has a new copyright
law).  They also had no plans to add pinyin input, but said that such
a facility could be added by third parties.

One more nice thing Chinese Windows gives you is easy control of several
fonts; you change fonts in Word for Windows the same way you do for
English, and characters may be up to 127 points in size.

Here's a trick: if you need to add some big Chinese characters to a
(Windows) paintbrush picture:

1. Type the text
2. Select the text
3. Copy the text to the clipboard (Edit->Copy)
4. Open Paintbrush
5. Choose the text tool and click to position the cursor where you
   want the characters
6. Paste the characters from the clipboard (Edit->Paste)

If the characters you get from this method are too small, you can:

1. Type the text in Word
2. Select the text
3. Select a font, then type 127 into the point size box
4. Position the text to be captured in the middle of the screen
5. Press [Print Screen] (this captures the entire screen to the
   clipboard; you might need several megabytes of memory for this to
   succeed)
6. Open Paintbrush
7. Choose Edit->Paste to paste the image from the clipboard into
   Paintbrush.
8. Use Paintbrush's editing tools to erase the unwanted background
   captured along with the Chinese characters.

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From: Carlos McEvilly <MOEG013%TWNMOE10.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Word for Windows / Windows Chinese Edition
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I have been corrected regarding my earlier post.  Someone sent me
a note saying it is possible to enter the characters and choose
fonts directly in Paintbrush.  I'll try this out next time I get
a chance to play with Chinese Windows; it sounds very convenient to
be able to input the characters in Paintbrush without going through
all that cut-and-paste rigamorole.

- Carlos

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Tue Aug 11 10:11:33 1992
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After reading through the manuals more carefully, I've made
some more progress with cwin.

There is a utility, convert.com, to convert old ETEN files to the
BIG5 format used by the cwin built-in editor.

I've set the print manager to use my 4029 laser printer.  The results
are beautiful, much improved over the standard printing support in
ETEN (I can't talk about the optional laser printer package you can
purchase for ETEN, I don't have it).  Diagonal strokes and curves
are not jagged at all.  Hurray for TrueType.

I still haven't been able to get it to open a DOS screen, to run
Word Perfect or some such word processor.  (I have himem, emm386,
a 486 machine, 8Mb.)  The only message I get is the "can't start
application" message.

regards,
john sun
jsun@torolab5.vnet.ibm.com

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From: Carlos McEvilly <MOEG013%TWNMOE10.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      A Chinese WP program for English Windows
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An annual software applications show has been running here for
the last several days.  For $20US (promotional price) I got a word
processor for using Chinese under English Windows.  It works
with 3.1, and they said it would work with 3.0 also.  So far
it looks good, but I haven't had a chance to try printing yet.
The following are some initial impressions.

I was surprised to see a product for non-Chinese Windows, since
this seems to be going against the Microsoft trend, a brave move.
The program is called NewWin, or Xin1xian4kuang1, to render the
Chinese in pinyin.  The files are dated 8-16-92, which is the
day the computer show started, I believe.  So there are still some
rough spots.  For example, the program apparently has a loader
that starts the actual install program, but the loader does not
know how to deal with all systems.  At least, it didn't install
smoothly on my system, on which I had prepared a newly installed
Windows directory.  Had to resort to a fancy tap dance of renaming
and copying various files to a ram disk and installing from there.

When NewWin finally ran, though, it looked pretty nice.  It is a
sinicized and Windowified :-) version of the PE2 editor that is
popular here in Taiwan.  Many of the commands are the same as in
PE2, but it also adds menus as well as a speed bar with a slew of
icons at the bottom of the screen.

According to the salesman at the booth, printing is done through
Windows, so all printers supported by Windows can be used.  I'll
post more when I can confirm this with first hand experience.

There are at least ten fonts included, the usual ones, bitmapped
24 * 24 and 16 * 15.  There are two simplified character fonts
included among these, one each of 24 * 24 and 16 * 15.  Again,
after I have more time I'll report more on whether these can be
mixed in the same file and on the same line.

Fonts may be set at larger and smaller sizes, but size changes
are not shown on the screen.  They only show up on the printout.
:(  This is a lot like PE2, come to think of it.  However in this
program you can adjust the display by selecting a different font;
you just can't do it by changing the size.

The input methods included are listed below.  Some of them I
have never heard of.

  English/Number
  Internal code
  Tsang-Jei
  Quick
  Phonetic
  Mouse
  Wang-Ma
  Easy
  Da-Yi
  Roman (pinyin)
  Array
  Boshiamy
  Can-ton

The bad news about this system is that the retail price is
$3200 NT, or about $130 US.  At least that will come with a
book; mine didn't.  Maybe when Word for Windows Chinese edition
comes out (supposedly in September) the market will demand
lower prices from lower end products.

The company that sells this is called NewTek Publishing Inc.,
(Wen2 Xin1 Ke1ji4 You3xian4 Gong1si1), and they are at:

  12F-2, #92 Minsheng East Rd., Sec. 3
  Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C.
  Tel: 886-2-516-5875; Fax: 501-5274

                          *   *   *

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A few days ago I posted some initial impressions of a Chinese
word processor, NewWin, that runs under English Windows 3.0
and 3.1.  After spending more time playing with it, some
shortcomings became evident:

- the version I have is a Beta release.  The salesman did not
  tell me this when he took my money.  He did tell me I could
  upgrade later, but did not know the specifics of how much an
  upgrade would cost.

- on a 486 and a 386, the program ran just fine.  On a 286, it
  crawled.  All of the machines I tried it on have 8MB of memory.

- it didn't work on the one machine I tried that had Windows 3.0.
  (English).  After upgrading that machine to 3.1, it worked.

- it doesn't know how to handle the form feed character which is
  often embedded in ASCII and Big-5 documents.  On encountering
  this character, it printed blank pages without end...

- although font size may be adjusted, to do so you simply change
  the scale at which the entire document is printed.  Therefore
  every character in the document is the same size.

- likewise, only one font can be used per document. You can't
  have a different font (even boldface) for a single line, much
  less for several characters in a line.

- although it prints fine using an HP Laserjet III (the only
  printer available to me to try), the quality is obviously that
  of a bitmapped font, and contrasts sharply with the better look
  of the vector fonts provided by (MS) CWIN (Microsoft Windows
  Chinese Edition).

======== and now some positive notes ===============

- NewWin is useful as a way to print a Chinese document simply and
  without having to have MS CWIN installed on your system.  So it
  could be very useful to people who want to save hard disk space
  or who don't have CWIN.

- It only requires you to have 1.4 megabytes of its files on the
  hard disk, if you can make do with only one font.  Each additional
  font takes 1 megabyte, and these need only be copied into the
  NWIN directory to make them available for choice in the NewWin
  menu.

- NewWin has a nice feel to it. In my opinion, it is aimed very well
  at the current Taiwan market, since it provides the PE2 / PE3 look
  and feel that everybody here is used to, while also adding the
  Windows features and convenience without the risks of changing over
  to the buggy CWIN product.

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Subject:      More CWIN confusion
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Another new product shown at the recent software applications
show in Taipei was a Windows 3.1 version of the III (ROC Institute
for Information Industry) CWIN package.  This means that there are
still at least two versions of Chinese Windows surviving in the
market.  On the III package, no effort was made to clear up the
confusion this will surely bring about.  The package was selling for
$2000 to $3000 NT, or $80 to $120 US, depending on which booth you
bought it from.

The III CWIN is a set of drivers that are installed after MS Windows
English edition, providing Chinese capabilities.  There were posts
several months ago on CCNET-L with more information on the various
(three total, I think) Chinese Windows products available.

I don't have any more information on the III product, but just wanted
to put this on the list to remind newcomers that "CWIN" does not
always refer to the same package.  And to inform everyone that
Microsoft still has some competition for Chinese Windows.

If anyone knows, can you tell us:

  - Will III make a SDK (Software development kit) available?
  - Will III CWIN support Unicode in the future?

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From: Dorothy Day <DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      using Chinese Windows with Windows 3.1
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Some time ago I posted an enquiry requesting that others share their
experience using Microsoft's Chinese Windows 3.0C add-on with
MS Windows 3.1. A couple of people wrote that they were just getting
it installed and would report more later.

I'd like to repeat my request: would anyone who has had experience
using this combination please describe how well it works:

	- How large is the character database?

	- How easy is it to enter Chinese characters directly into MS
	  Word for Windows 2.0?

	- What other software works well under CWIN3?

	- Is there a program to use under Chinese Windows to allow
	  entry of both Chinese and Japanese text?

	- Has anyone tried instead to use the Japanese Windows 3.0
	  in order to get both Kanji (Hanzi) and Kana, both Chinese
	  cihui and Japanese kanji-kana compound words with full
	  inflection?

For comparison, has anyone tried to use a program like XLBR under
regular Windows 3.1, and then cut & paste Chinese text to MS Word or
other Windows word processor?

	- Do you have to first save the Chinese text as .PCX or other
	  standard graphics format before importing into Win Word 2.0?
	  (This seems far too awkward for daily use.)

	- How well can MS Word print text imported in this fashion?

What recommendations can anyone make for a combination of powerful,
flexible English-language word processor and Chinese text processor
for adding characters to the English text?

Let me stress the need for a character database that is large and
well-chosen for both modern and classical Chinese texts (literary and
historical). Many modern programs serve the needs of business and even
journalism well, but provide far too limited a vaocabulary base for
work in traditional (Ming-Qing and earlier) literature and history.
The size of the character base is perhaps separate from Windows
workability, but both are important requirements.

Thanks,
Dorothy Day, Indiana University
Bitnet: DAY@IUBACS
Internet: day@ucs.indiana.edu

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Taipei International Computer Applications Show
(except some comments, most of the information is provided by the
companies)


C-Win 3.1
02-3255750 x20
(I did not get a close look of it at the booth figuring that I would have a
chance in the US.  It is sold in the US.  I heard that its development was
backed by Taiwan government)
Features:
- all functuions and features of English MS-Windows 3.1
- can run on Ms-Windows 3.0
- support TCA and Big5
- have network version
- open system structure, can add many input methods and fonts
- provide 5 input methods: CangJie, bopomofo, Quick learn(Su4cheng2), Inner
code and Easy (qing1song1)
- 3 font drivers (Cangjie font, KangHua font and GongHui bitmap font)
Require:
- IBM/AT or compatibles (and above, I guess)
- DOS 3.1 and above
- any display supported by MS-Windows
Optional:
- mouse
- printer

Glow Windows Integration 3.0A/B (GuoRong)
(02)709-0715, Fax:708-2949
It is actually an integration of C-Win and GuoRong fonts.  Runs on top of
English Ms-Windows 3.0.  3.0B version is for both Mainland and Taiwan, has
simplified<->traditional characters and TCA and Big5<->GB code convertion,
and PinYin input.
Three versions (NT2000 is about US$80)

contents  GuoRong A.I. fonts  Cai3Zhi1Hui4  Zong4Heng2    Qiao3Bi3      price
                              Graphics      D.P.          W.P.

3.0A      Ming, Hei, Yuan,    version 1.0   version 1.0                 NT2000
          TCA,Big5

3.0A      as above            version 1.0   version 1.0   version 1.21  NT2900
with WP

3.0B      +the same for       version 1.0   version 1.0                 NT5900
          simplified

According to GuoRong (I guess M Windows is referring to MS-Windows)

                      Glow Windows 3.0A(3.0B)     M Windows

price                 NT2000 (NT5900)             NT4950

contents              graphics, data sheet        none
                      (simplified<->traditional)

fonts                 3 (6) fonts, only 200KB     only comes with thin Ming,
                      each, takes only 1 floppy   11KB for 13051 characters,
                      disk for each font          takes 300 F. disks for 3
                                                  fonts

add characters up to  60,000                      no way

notebook version      only choice                 none

speed                 fast and stable             slow, often hangs, needs big
                                                  HD

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From: "(Mintak Ng)" <mintak@PANIX.COM>
Subject:      Chinese Windows 3.0 Info
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	This is in response to Qing Zhang's email, but I thought
others would like to know also a little about Chinese Windows 3.0.

	Chinese Windows is an extension of MS Windows 3.0 that supports
double byte characters. Mircosoft has modified their screen and printer
drivers to support the double byte characters. Most English version of
Windows programs work correctly most of the time. Display and editing in
English programs may look unusual at times due to its inability to handle
double byte characters. The general rule of thumb is that if it displays
properly, then it should print properly. One notable exception is MS Word
ver 2.0 (which is Windows 3.1 program) which I have not been able to print
from due to the fact that it tries to store the printer driver information
internally.

	I hope that helps.

Mintak

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Subject:      Re: Help for CWIN3.0 installation
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Install English Windows (3.0 or preferrable 3.1) first, then install
CWIN 3.0a in different directory, such as c:\cwin. You also have to
write a small batch to run CWIN by other name, not "win". I put
English Windows 3.1 and CWIN 3.0a on the same disk partition (C:).
It works fine. But CWIN 3.0a keeps all the buggs that Windows 3.0
has.

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Microsoft Taiwan has announced the release of MS Word for Windows
Chinese Edition--Version 1.2.   There is no scheduled release date
for version 2.0, but apparently 1.2 is decent.

I'll post more information about this when I have it.  Microsoft
said that although the product is considered to have been released,
they still don't have actual stock, so it won't be in stores for
another two weeks!  In any case, this might turn out to be the shot
in the arm that Chinese Windows has been waiting for.

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1) I have installed a Microsoft Window Chinese version on a PC clone.
Works fine, without the ASCII version of the MS Window.  It's
awe-inspiring to see every bit of MicroSoft menu listed in Chinese.  But,
still need constant translation (on the fly in the head) back to its
original English titles; some are not easy to guess.  It would be easier
for me, if the Microsoft would include both Chinese and English, such as
"MuLu/Menu" or the like, in their future releases.  Guess the Window NT
Chinese version is due out pretty soon.

  A problem though: in the MS Window Chinese version, I couldn't find a
way to key in Chinese script in the package "XiaoZuoJia" (Little Scribe,
don't know the formal English title of this.)  Hope some one having
better luck can enlighten me.


2) The ETen 3.1 prints to HP Laserjet, with 6 different fonts.  pretty
good. (heard it can do simplified font as well, if bought extra.  guess
then, one will be able to have both traditional and simplified in the same
text, especially useful for those in the academia with strong publication
urge.)  There is a problem with print margin: since there is no printer
control code for margin, I resort to the "~Y...;" code, to pass control
code to printer.  I tried

~T24E;                  <- T24 select 24x24 font; E to do text ASCII
~FMX10;                 <- FM for Ming font; X10 set the character space
~Y6\1B\26\6120\4C;      <- pass \1B\26\6120\4C code to printer.

\1B\26\6120\4C = Esc & a 20 L, which in "HP PCL" means Left Margin at 20.
However this doesn't work for me.

the ~E is supposedly to pass ASCII as text (1 byte) instead of graphics
(several bytes from the ASCII font) to the printer.  However, this
doesn't work for me either.

Does any guru out there have got better results?

Thanks. ////////////////////

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The following info is forwarded from clari.nb.ibm (without permission).
Just for your info.     --Youren (yguo@cs.uiuc.edu)
========================================================================
WAN CHAI, HONG KONG, 1992 NOV 25 (NB) -- CompuFont Ltd, a
Microsoft technology partner, has introduced an enhanced font
driver for Microsoft Chinese Windows version 3.0.  The new
CWIN 3.0 Simplified Chinese Enabler supports the simplified
character set used in the People's Republic of China (PRC) as well
as the traditional Chinese character set used in Hong Kong and
Taiwan.

The scalable Chinese font technology incorporated in Chinese
Windows 3.0 was developed for Microsoft by CompuFont and
supports the 13,053 characters of Taiwan's Big Five standard.

The CWIN 3.0 Simplified Chinese Enabler works in the same way
as the original font driver but also includes the 6,732 characters
that comprise the PRC's National Standard GB2312-80, with an
additional 162 traditional characters that are commonly used
in Hong Kong.

"We developed Chinese Windows for the Taiwan market where
it has enjoyed considerable success since its introduction last
year," said Laurie Kan, country manager of Microsoft Hong
Kong Ltd.

"Here in Hong Kong, Chinese language requirements are a little
different. As in Taiwan, everybody uses traditional characters,
but with our strong business links with the PRC there is also
demand for a system that can also support simplified characters.
CompuFont's new font driver is therefore a very valuable addition
to the Microsoft Chinese Windows environment that we fully
endorse," said Kan.

According to Lawrence Mo, managing director of CompuFont Ltd,
there are a number of DOS-based Chinese character processing
packages that can handle both character sets but CWIN 3.0
Simplified Chinese Enabler is the first product enabling
Microsoft's Traditional Windows 3.0 system to accomplish this.

"We have been able to take advantage of the fact that Windows is a
very modular software architecture to ensure that the Simplified
Chinese Enabler will work seamlessly with all existing Chinese
Windows applications, such as Excel and Word for Windows," said
Mo.

Once installed, the new font driver replicates all the functions of
the standard Chinese Windows font driver, scaling characters on
screen and as output on laser and dot-matrix printers, said the
company.

It is also claimed to provide fully automated translation from
traditional Chinese to simplified Chinese, and does most of the
work of translating in the opposite direction. "It will even
convert Chinese Windows menus into simplified characters if
required," said Mo.

In addition to the character input methods supported in Chinese
Windows, three popular simplified character input methods have
been added, namely Wu-be, Binyin, and GB2312-80 internal code.
The system also supports Cantonese Binyin, a method commonly
used in Hong Kong.

To support CC-DOS users migrating to the Chinese Windows
platform, the system has a filter to convert text files prepared
under CC-DOS into Windows format. CC-DOS is a commonly used
DOS variant that supports simplified Chinese characters.

CWIN 3.0 Simplified Chinese Enabler comes with one simplified
font set, while CompuFont has a number of other simplified fonts
under development. It also has nine traditional fonts available in
addition to the one that ships with Chinese Windows 3.0.

The font driver is being distributed in Hong Kong through
Universal Technology (HK) Ltd at a list price of HK$1,200.

(Brett Cameron/19921124/Press Contact: Lawrence Mo,
CompuFont, 852-866 3560)


--
Youren Guo
yguo@cs.uiuc.edu

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Sat Nov 28 23:15:18 1992
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A current issue of the People's Daily said that a company in Mainland had
announced a new Chinese WP package to enable Chinese language processing
directly on English Windows environment (no need for CWIN). It is also
able to mix Chinese with other languages. Isn't this something for people
who use Windows but don't want to spend a fortune on the CWIN thing?

Jack

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Mon Oct  7 04:18:14 1991
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Re: Where can I get Chinese Windows?

Well, I've been asking around here and Microsoft Taiwan does not sell to
users at all.  In case there are any potential distributors out there,
though, Microsoft is at: 10F, 3 Minsheng East Rd., Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C.,
phone 886-2-504-3122, fax 886-2-504-3121.

They recommend users call one of their retailers, such as Sung Kang
Computer: 5F, 337 Dunhua South Rd., Sec. 1, Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C.,
phone 886-2-708-2125, fax 886-2-700-1006.  Sung Kang says they will
research their policy on international mail order and get back to
me, so watch this space.  Sung Kang has a representative in the U.S.,
in the San Jose area.  The name of the company is Unalis Corp., and
a contact person there is Ms. Jane Wei at (408) 262-5628.

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Mon Dec 16 11:06:28 1991
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This may be a good news to many of you.  I find an ad on World Journal
selling Chinese Windows 3.0A.  It's from
Information Integration, Inc.
East Coast: (301)840-8977 (ask Sheena)
West Coast: (415)840-1320 (ask Eric)
On the ad:
*All MS Windows 3.0 features, adding Chinese input and output capability
*Three fonts (Ming, Yuan[round] and  Hei[black] Ti), scalable
*Screen input, CangJie, Fast, Inercode, ZhuYin
*Free wordprocessing, drawing and form applications
*for business
*for child education

Also available: traditional<->simplified ZhiKu (fonts?), PinYin
input, handwriting input, Chinese OCR.

There are many vendors for Chinese softtware in New York area.
The biggest on is
Abest
83-09 Northern Blvd
Jackson Heights, NY  11372
(718)507-8485, fax:507-7795
It carries the whole line of ET products

On the west coast
Pacific Rim Connections, Inc.
3030 Atwater Dr.
Burlingame, CA  94010
(415)697-0911, Fax:697-9439
is the biggest vendor for Chinese software

From CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu Sat Oct  5 11:36:12 1991
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For anyone who's wondering about MS Windows 3.0 Chinese Edition...

My coworker showed me a letter he wrote yesterday with English and Chinese
mixed, composed in Microsoft Word under Chinese Windows.  The characters
looked really nice.  It was printed out on an HP Laserjet III.  This
answered a question I had been wondering about for a while, although it
still leaves me wondering whether *all* characters can be used so
smoothly (from what I've heard on the network, some characters get
misinterpreted as control codes and cause a bomb).  The characters may
be scaled by hilighting the chosen text and clicking on font, then
typing in your desired point size.

The other day I was trying out C-Windows and discovered that just as
in regular Windows you can capture the screen to the clipboard (press
PrintScreen), then enter Paintbrush, paste the clipboard image into the
Paintbrush work area, erase the unwanted parts, and resize the other
parts, including Chinese characters.  But this is all bitmaps, so it's
not nearly as pretty as the built in fonts that drive the laser printer.

Not being a great Windows fan, I must admit I'm a little disappointed to
see such nice printing coming from MS Word, and not from my favorite
Wordperfect... :)  Maybe I'll have to change religions after all.... :)

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Hi!
  Recently I tried chinese words for windows with microsoft cwin 3.0. It is not
as good as words for windows 2. And most of the work that cwords can do can als
o be done by words 2 with cwin.  The cwords is more convienet in formulating
the document.  However, ansi codes (such as German u) simply can not  be input.
Can anyone solve this problem for me?  (I tried to change the wifeman.ini so
as to input German u but fialed)  Thanks.  Pingyi

From sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!usc!not-for-mail Mon Jan 11 11:32:13 EST 1993
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The best Chinese Windows that I have seen so far is TWINBRIDGE from 
mainland China.  It is an extention one can installed on top of
standard MS Windows and it is compatible with Windows 3.0 and 3.1.
You can turn on/off the Chinese as you wish and you can mix Chinese
and English. It is compatible with most of the Windows applications
in the market. It supports numerous input method from dummy PingYing
to some kinds of strange codes and English, that is, you type English
and it's chinese translation will pop out.

Another version of Chinese Windows that I know is from Microsoft
Taiwan. Although it sounds like a standard version, it is actually
a disaster.  First of all, it translate all the menu commands to
Chinese.  Some of the translations are so odd that I find them hard
to understand.  Secondly, this product use a new kernel, a kernal
that can accept 16 bit code instead of normal 8 bit ASCII code.
But to use this kernel, all applications must be compiled using
a special Fast East Developement Kit from Microsoft. So most of 
the applications that you have today are not compatible with it.

Li





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Hi, Mr/x. WUYI$A at Yale...

to your question: Depending on what you want to do there are three
possibilities represented by four different packages available.

1) Chinese Windows using BIG5(Taiwan) code
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1a Mircosoft Windows for Taiwan, Ver.3.0;
1b MS-Windows 3.0 Engl. Ed. + III (Institute of Information Industry in
Taiwan) extension.

Both versions support MS-Excel 3.0/4.0 but not MS-Winword(!? MS:
,,there is a special version of Winword for Taiwan...'') or WP for
Windows (Noway to do this because of the usage of ,,self breu'' printer
drivers by WP). 1a supports Micrografix' Designer and 1b supports
Aldus' PageMaker. Only CangJei (or ..Jie) and BoPoMoFo are available.
Both products are only (really) available in Taiwan. Still I have got
an 1a-CD with SDKE from Microsoft directly, thanks!

2) Chinese DOS-Extension using BIG5(Taiwan) Code
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Eten, works well and stable. Somebodies complained about the large
memory usage. Cannot run under Windows 3.1 as DOS application. See many
other comments on this network for details.

3) Chinese DOS-Extension using GB(Mainland) Code
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ShiYong CCDOS (Shi2Yong4, practical), supports MS-Word 4.0-5.5, WP
5.0-5.1, dBASE III-IV, FoxPro and the most other character oriented
standard western applications for DOS. Specially concepted for mixed
(Chinese/English/German, or traditional/simplified) applications.
Driver for sentense oriented Pinyin input available. Ask for details:

Christine Hu
Flemingstr. 127
D-8000 Munich 81
Germany
++49 89 982237


Hopely this does help you somehow ...




Bo

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Dear netters:

    I have just downloaded and tested Winedit, the demo version of
Twinbridge. I am afraid to say that I am disappointed by its shamefully
low quality of output, especially when one expects a decent print
from a product for Windows. Is the commercial version of Twinbridge
substantially better than this demo one in terms of print output? How
is it compared with MS Chinese Windows in terms of the quality of
screen display, laser print and the compatibility with English software
packages for Windows?

    Thanks for your attention. I am looking forward to hearing from you.

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Hi! there,

I have a demo version of twinbridge program. After I have
installed it. It works fine under win 3.1, although its Chinese
fonts are too rough. Recently, when I run it again, I could not
use pinyin input mode. It says "Sorry, no program support the
input method in this version". Does anyone else have similar
problem ? I thought that it might be the intention of the author
who only limits the time of using this demo.

BTW, I have two further concerns. First,
can someone share their experience of using commercial
version of twinbridge ? What I am interested is that how about
the quality of Chinese printing (by laser such as HP III),
compared with byx 2.1 or 3.0. (From twin's info, it looks that two
have similar fonts)

Second, I tried to read dos gb files from
twin. It cannot read them as Chinese file.
Is there any way to read existed gb files
from twin? Actually, if I bought a
commercial version, I would like use other
dos Chinese editor programs to type
Chinese. Then, use twin to format the file.

Hope to more info about twin, positives or
negatives.

Thanks !

D. Chu.

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why use window/write, you can use microsoft word for windows, but before
you use chinese mode, you need to press alt and left arrow to invoke
chinese mode, then use alt and down arrow to change between chinese mode,
but as far as I know, it only has pingying input mode because it is a demo
version.

On Fri, 19 Mar 1993, MinQi Bao wrote:

> Dear friends:
>
> I ftp a demo version Twinbridge from ftp.cica.indiana.edu, I can view
> GB file in Window/Write.  But I could never invoke the input mode as
> the eadme file said:
> using ALT and Scroll Down key, could your experts help me out of it?
>
> Thank you very much in advance!
>
> MinQi Bao

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Hi there, There was an advertisement on People's Daily overseas ed:, 27 Feb.
for "Chinese Star for Windows v 1.2", saying that the new version supports
the MS Windows for Workgroup.The FAX number in Beijing, China is :
0086-1-2556335. A list of the overseas agencies was given too, including
the name and the phone number/FAX numbers of the agency. The funny thing is
there was no country code and city code. You simly can not know the agency
is located in which country, which city. Does any one know the FAX number
of some agencies? Any information will be appreciated.
Tian

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software: EasyWin (EW)
version : 1.0
function: A multi-windowed SAA Chinese word processor for DOS, supports mouse
          and CGA,EGA. VGA, Super VGA, CGA 400, Hercules. Sentence oriented
          pinyin input. Multi-columned printouts possible. Different character
          attributes (bold, italics etc.) can be displayed and printed out.
          Auto-save function. Unregistered version can be used as a Chinese
          text viewer.
ftp site: ifcss.org[129.107.1.155]:/software/dos/editor
filename: ew10_doc.doc ew10_bin.exe ew10_han.exe (both selfextracting)
author  : Hu Bo <ucc02au@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de>

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Hi, everybody,

I'm trying to upload a Chinese module to IFCSS.ORG. But there're too many
anonymous users there at the monent. So I'll try it in the evening.

I call the module Way version 3.0.02. It probably can only be used as a
tool (or SDK as others call this kind of thing) for Chinese application
writing in Windows. Here below is the read me file. I only tried it on
MS Windows 3.1, though it is supposed to run on Windows 3.0.

By the way, the FTP site administrator please instruct me if I need any
special permission or anything to upload the program.
_________________________________________________________________________
Read Me File for Way 3.0.02

This program is a universal Chinese input module for Microsoft Windows
3.0/3.1. The intention of releasing it is to let more programmers to
development Chinese supporting applications for Windows. Starting from
this version, the program will be released as shareware.

The version 3.0.01 of the program did not get much attention since I
uploaded it. I guess the reason is that it did not have much usage.
Since Chinese supporting systems are coming around in the market, I
believe there might be an editor or word-processing package that
supports Chinese out there somewhere. I have'nt had a chance to try
it on Chinese Star (A Chinese Windows add-on package from Beijing),
But I think Way would work in it.

The new features over the previous version:

1) Several practical input methods have been integrated in, they are
   WuBiZiXing (Wang Ma), Qian Ma, Telecode. PinYin CiHui dictionary
   now has over 30,000 characters/phrases.

2) Dictionary de-compiler has been implemented.

3) A full-flavored manual is also included, which covers the operation
   of Way and further software development with Way.
=======================================================================
Here is the usual my claimer and disclaimer for Way:

1) Way may not be used in any business, corporation, government agency
   or any other entity.

2) Way may be freely copied, provided that all files listed below are
   included and they are not modified in any form.

Disclaimer:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The author of Way disclaims all warranties, either expressed or
implied, including, but not limited to implied warranties of
merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose, with respect
to the product. Should the program prove defective, the user assumes
the risk of paying the entire cost of all necessary servicing, repair,
or correction and any incidental or consequential damages. In no event
will the author of Way be liable for any damages whatsoever (including
without limitation damages for loss of business profits, business
interruption, loss of business information and the like) arising out
of the use or the inability to use this product even if the author has
been advised of the possibility of such damages.

======================================================================

Files included in the release:

        PinYin.WIN      This file - first information about Way

        Way3002.EXE     self-extractable compressed files which includs
        WayFONT.EXE     the following files:
        WayDIC.EXE

                Way.EXE         the Windows executable - main program
                                of Way
                MISC.DLL        a Windows Dynamic Like Library, which
                                contains miscelleneous functions used
                                in Way
                MISC.LIB        C (Borland) library for MISC.DLL
                *.h             C/C++ header files for MISC.LIB
                Way.HLP         on-line manual of Way
                Way-MAN.PS      Poscript version of the Way manual
                CH16.FON        16x16 dot matrix Chinese font file for
                                Windows 3.0/3.1
                *.DIC           sample and working Way dictionary files
                *.Way           sample Way dictionary script files.
                                They are used to create or decompile
                                the aobve listed dictionary files.
======================================================================

To install the program:

1) change your current directory under DOS to the one you want to
   install Way;

2) execute Way3002.EXE, WayFONT.EXE and WayDIC.EXE to decompress all
   the files into the current directory.

=====================================================================

That's all! Easy enough?

Please send error reports and whatsoever regarding the program to me
directly through Email. Currently I'm working on other private
projects. But since I just started my first year in Central Michigan
University, I can only move like snail with these stuff. I plan to do
a Chinese editor (not really word-processor though), a communication
application that support Chinese. There're a lot of details in just
these two. So I very much like to hear any suggestions from you.

Good luck to you! And me too!


Wang Wei        BITNET: 34cdhc7@cmuvm.bitnet
                Internet: 34cdhc7@cmuvm.cmich.edu
____________________________________________________________________________

Sorry for the ^M's.

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     The mail-order is not popular in Taiwan, I don't think you can
buy CWindows 3.1 by mail-order.  Maybe you can call Taiwan Microsoft,
the telephone number is 886-2-5043122.  The release date of CWindows
is May 26.

     Wei-jiun Chen

     cwj302@pdd.iii.org.tw

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The 'Twin-bridge' does it. It's like ZWDOS but under windows 3.1.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
        Hi friends, does any one of you know how to use WinFax Pro 3.0
        to send Chinese fax files edited using a Chinese software called
        "Chinese Star" (also known as Zhong1 Wen2 Zhi1 Xing1) together
        with Microsoft Word for Windows under Windows 3.1 enviroment?

        WinFax Pro 3.0 works beautifully for sending and receiving
        English fax files in whatever fonts and formats.

        Any info. and advise will be highly appreciated!

        Regards,

        Jing Qu
        UBC/Vancouver, B.C., Canada

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Hi there:

I uploaded a chinese GUO BIAO file browser, CHPAD1.ZIP, for WINDOWS to
  ifcss.org  /incoming.
The following is the README.TXT in CHPAD1.ZIP
===================================================================

ChPad v1.0 : A chinese file browser for WINDOWS 3.1
by Tian Bogang,  April 1993
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Two files are included here:
CHPAD.EXE  ----------- a chinese (GUO BIAO) file browser for WINDOWS;
README.TXT ----------- this file.

CHPAD.EXE has the following features:
1) You can use it to read a GUO BIAO file greater than 64k;
2) You can use the mouse to select an area and then copy the selected
   area to clipboard or to a DIB (Device Independent Bitmap) file;
3) You can select the colors of the text and the background when
   reading a file;

To install:
The CHPAD.EXE uses the MISC.DLL and CH16.FON written by Mr. Wang Wei,
the auther of WAY3002 package that are anonymous-ftpable from
ifcss.org, /software/ms-win. So the CHPAD.EXE should be put in the
directory where the MISC.DLL and CH16.FON are found. Alternaltively
you can put the MISC.DLL and CH16.FON in \WINDOWS\SYSTEM, so WINDOWS
can find them, and put CHPAD.EXE in any directory you want.

How to use:
Build a new item for CHPAD.EXE in Programer Manager or just run it
by clicking File/Run memu in Programer Manager. When CHPAD.EXE is
loaded, a help dialog pops up. Just read the help information there.

Warning:
If you have some video driver for double-byte system installed, for
example, that of Twinbridge, CHPAD.EXE will not work well, because
this kind of video driver will try to display any two-byte combination
inside the GUO BIAO range as a chinese character, and the CH16.FON is
really a group of single byte fonts. Actually if you have such a thing
like Twinbridge, you don't need CHPAD.

CHPAD.EXE is free to use and distribute. Thanks to Mr. Wang Wei for
his WAY3002 package. Any bug reports and comments are welcome. Please
EMAIL to

Tian Bogang
darstellung@icil64.cilea.it

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        Dear netters:

        I  quite agree with HaiZi's comments on Chinese Star for Windows.
        It's a good program though it does have some drawbacks (I'm talking
        about version 1.1 only). Hopefully, new version will be able to
        get rid of these shortcomings.

        Comparing with TwinBridge, I can not say which one is absolutely
        better than the other. But one thing is sure, TwinBridge is too
        expensive. According to the quotation I obtained, for TwinBridge
        with two (2) different types  of fonts, it will cost you $320.00
        Canadian dollars. But for five (5) types of fonts, it will become
        $520.00.

        I am currently using Chinese Star for Windows (V1.1), and I feel
        comfortable with it.

        Sincerely,

        Jing Qu
        EE Dept./UBC
        Tel.:(604)322-0887

>

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        Hi Tim Xie, thank you for your message!

        According to the manual, Chinese Star for Windows does allow you
        to use both simplified (JianTi) and complexed (FanTi) charaters
        simultaneously, though I had not tried it until yestoday. Apparently,
        you need to use two different types of fonts to accomplish this.

        It is true that the bigger the characters, the worse their looking
        will be (i.e. the rougher their strokes will be). However, the same
        thing happens to TwinBridge too, according to the TwinBridge printing
        sample I obtained from commercial sources.

        You asked me about the prise for it. I do not know how much it
        would cost in the States, but here in Vancouver, you can get it for
        about $200 canadian dollars (I'm talk about the basic system which
        contains 7 different fonts. Of course, you can pay more for more
        fonts if you like). A LOT CHEAPER THAN TwinBridge.

        As for how much the new version will improve over the old one, I
        can not answer it until the coming Monday, when my contact will
        bring me the latest release from Beijing.

        Keep in touch.


        Sincerely,

        Jing Qu
        EE Dept./UBC
        Tel./Fax:(604)322-0887

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Hi there:
  The following information comes from my friend. This is for those who like to
know more about cwin 3.1.

Dear Pingyi:
  I am afraid that you will disappointed by the new cwin 3.1 from microsoft.
1. The quality of its Chinese font does not improve.
2. There is no Japanese character that you wish to have.
3. The input method is the same.
As you can see, it is almost the same as cwin 3.0 but its competiblity is large
ly improved. Now I can almost run any window software on cwin 3.1. However, in
my machine, cwin 3.1 become almost imposible to edit. For instance, it is very
difficult to use with words 2.0 because it is almost impossile to insert a
Chinese character in a string of Chinese. I do not know why. Perhaps, it is jus
t a problem of my machine. Since I can use Chinese words 1.2, this problem does
not bother me that much. However, if you wnat to use words 2.0, you have better
beware.

Well, this is a mail from my friend. I apprecite anyone who would like to comme
nt on it.

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Hi,

I was just told that Microsoft offically released the Chinese Windows 3.1 in
Taipei on May 26, 1993. MS also signed a contract with Chase Computers in L.A.
which authorizes Chase Computers to be their authorized dealer in North
America. Since the software are manufactured in Taiwan, they won't be
Available untile the end of June. However, Chase Computers offers a discount
price for people would like to make their order before the end of the June.
The prices are as follows:

        Before June 30, 1993            After June 30, 1993
                $199.00                         $225.00
And the upgrade (from CWin 3.0) price are as follows:

                $85.00                          $99.00

As you might have known, CWin3.0 is full of bugs even you installed the WDL
upgrade. From the information I got, which I think is reliable, CWin3.1 is
a much more stable product than CWin3.0. It fixed most of the compatiblity
problems in 3.0. Furthermore, I heard that there are more than five companys
in Taiwan who are making True Type Chinese fonts which can be used in CWin3.1.
Therefore, in the near future, those clumsy and expensive font cards are no
longer needed. MS also have Chinese version of W4W(ver1.2) and Excel(4.0)
which are also available from Chase Computers. Their prices are the same:
before June30 - $599.00, after June 30 - $640.00.

Chase Computers also carries other Chinese softwares other than MS's such as
ETen Chinese systems. The newest version of ETen(ver3.5) is also available.
The price is $85.00. As version 3.1, 3.5 can also drive HP's laserjet series
and some other Laser printers. Besides, ver3.5 has the capabilities to use
scalable fonts. However, those fonts are not included in the standard package
. Users have to purchase them separately:-(

Above are what I have told by my friend just came back from Taiwan. I am not
affiliated with Chase Computers whatsoever. Just want to spread the news. Hope
someone can benefit from it. If you need more information, you can contact
Chase Computers directly at (818)300-8666. Don't mention my name because they
don't know me. Well, maybe, I purchased my ETen3.1 from them:-) Anyway, good
luck.

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>
> Hi Dear CCNETters:
>
> My friend bought the famous China Star for Windows v1.2 (CS4W for
> short) in Beijing. The package comes with 6 1.2M diskettes,
> a manual and a "key": a 25 pin to 25 hole protective box that one
> should attach to LPT1 port. This kind of thing is supposed to be
> transparent to printing.
>
> Problem: on his PC (a 386 clone), he can not print now after he
> installed the box. Without the protective box, CS4W doesn't work.
> With the box attached to LPT1, he can not print anything even
> under DOS, don't memtion in Windows. When one tries, for example,
>   "copy config.sys lpt1:"
> the error message is "write fault error writing to device LPT1 ...".
> So I tried on my PC, the same story.
>
> Finally, we tried on a portable. This time it was OK! On that very
> small very slow portable. No Windows there, ofcause.
>
> Has any one got the same experience? Any help information will be
> appreciated.
>
> Tian darstellung@icil64.cilea.it
>
Hi there, I also got a CS4W Version 1.2. It works well for me. I am
using 386DX 33Mhz. I can have chinese characters printed out very
beautifully from MS Word for Windows and any other applications. I
did not try under dos prompt until I saw your message. It also worked.
But I used command:print config.sys instead of "copy config.sys lpt1:.
I tried "copy config.sys lpt1" first, the buffer light was on, but
the queen was empty and nothing came out.

I have tried my CS4W on several different laser printers, like IBM4029-10;
HP laserjet 4L, Apple laserwriter II NTX, etc. all worked well. I even
tried the PostScript function, it's GOOD! I have the printing sample to
show the quality of the fonts, if somebody is interested in it, I can
upload the .eps file to a ftp site.

Jing Qu
EE Dept./UBC/Vancouver/Canada
Tel./Fax:(604)322-0887

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So many guys asked the same question.  I happen to have an ads.
at hand.  Here is a distributor at Singapore:

Systems Technology Pte Ltd
25 Kallang Avenue #02-01/03 Kallang Basin
Industrial Estate, Singapore 1233
Tel (65) 2992933  Fax: (65) 2999688
Price: about S$500  (US$1=S$1.60)

Pls do NOT contact me.  Thanks.

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Greetings,
        Just passing along some info to supplement a message earlier this
week regarding Chinese Windows 3.1. There _are_ companies in Taiwan making
TrueType Chinese fonts for use in CWin 3.1, but one should be cautious.
Last week I was in a computer shop and saw "Yan2 Ze2" and Dynalabs fonts
being sold individually. Dynalabs (Hua2 Kang1) make the "xi4 ming2" font
used in CWin 3.1. I was told the "Yanze" fonts worked in CWin as well, and
they didn't require a card. A call to Yanze proved they only worked in a DOS
environment (and they hadn't tried it with ETen). Other than Dynalabs, Taiwan-
Microsoft gave me two names of companies making fonts compatible with CWin 3.1.
One is "Wen2 Xin1" (xin = new), 886-2-516-5875 (fax 886-2-501-5274), who sell
TrueType fonts for CWin 3.1 individually at $1200 NT (for the regular sets) and
$2800 NT (for the special sets). They told me they have a branch in L.A., called
NewTek (Tel 714-598-9366; Fax 714-598-8046) who will sell it later this summer.
The other company is called Fang1 ling2 (I think) and their phone # is 886-2-
516-2345. Dynalabs will be releasing new sets of fonts in July that will _not_
require their card. They'll be $2990 NT each.
        The list price of CWin 3.1 in Taiwan is $4990 NT (@ $192 US). A Taiwan-
Microsoft engineer sent a friend & I to a dealer named An1 Qun2 (886-2-751-7900)
(Fax 886-2-751-7901) since they didn't sell CWin themselves. They sell it for
30% off list price, which is the best I've seen in Taipei,& they sell an upgrade
(which requires turning in disk #1 from CWin 3.0) for $2000 NT. At 2.1 kgs each,
shipping is a factor (3 kg by air-land, taking 3-4 weeks, is @ $25 US). Sherry
Yang is the person to contact there & she said they will take overseas orders
but won't send anything out until payment is received.
        Despite the foregoing, I'm afraid I can't offer an evaluation of CWin
3.1 as I haven't bought it yet (lack of RAM & HD space). Maybe some other
Taiwan CCNETters can offer some opinions. Hope the above is helpful to some
of you.
                                Chris DeLucia
                                University of Washington
                                via Taiwan U. Chinese dept.

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Just an addendum to the message I sent a few days ago.
Taiwan-Microsoft's distributer, An1 Qun2, moved last week, so the phone &
fax numbers I gave need updating. The new phone # is 886-2-702-8363.
Their FAX # is 886-2-702-0961. There apparently will be an Education Version
of Chinese Windows 3.1 out at some point, but it is not available yet. Sherry
Yang at Anqun said there are as many as 10 companies making fonts for CWin 3.1,
and they will probably sell most of them. I saw my 4th (in addition to Huakang=
Dynalabs, Wenxin & Fangling) this weekend - "Quan2 Zhen1 Zi4 Ku4" (Quanzhen as
in the 12th cent. Daoist sect), selling individual fonts for $3150 NT each (the
exchange rate is about 26 - $1 US now).
        That's all for now.
                                Chris DeLucia

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Hi,

I just learned that MS finally released their Windows3.1 Chinese Edition in
Taipei. It is also available in North America through their authorized dealer
in L.A. The company, Chase Computers, also carries Eten's products. The
follows are some of their price list. (I am not advertising for them. Just
thought some of you may need this kind of information.)

Product                 After June 30, 1993     Before June 30, 1993
MS Windows3.1
Chinese Edition         $225                    $199

Upgrade from
Version3.0              $99                     $85

Chinese W4W
version 1.2             $640                    $599

Chinese Excel
ver. 4.0                $640                    $599

Dyna Font Card
5 fonts                 $600                    $500
10 fonts                $1100                   $900
15 fonts                $1160                   $1350

Lu Ding Font Card
11 fonts                $1200                   $1080
20 fonts                $1800                   $1620

Eten Chinese Systems
C16V5 ver 3.5           $85                     $75
C16H6                   $360                    $320
C16DH7                  $340                    $300

Advanced Dayi input
method                  $400                    $320


Chase Computers can be reached at (voice)818-300-8666 and (fax)818-300-8693.
For more information, please contact them directly.

Bill Liu

P.S. They will have BBS opened on 7/1/93 for techical support.

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> Does it support Simplified Script from PRC?
> What input method does it support?
> How does it support the Chinese script? Dual byte?
>
> Dr. Foo Meng How
> Kota Baru
>
>


Sure. Be glad. I will try my best to answer your three questions.

1. No. It does not support Simplifed Script. However, there is a workaround
for that. (See answer no. 3)

2. CWin3.1 adds two more input method over ver3.0. Now, it supports Tsang-chi
, Phonetics, Quick, Da-Yi, Array, and Big-5 encoding. If you want to use
Romanization method, you can buy a third-party software caled Hanin.

3. Yes. It uses double-byte encoding. If I remember correctly, it still
supports BIG-5 encoding scheme only. Cwin3.1 also support DBCS True Type font
standard. (Sorry, I don't know what DBCS stands for.) Therefore, any
third-party can provide their own fonts as long as they conform to DBCS
standard. Thus, the answer for your first question is that you may use
simplified script if you have the fonts. I know there are some sample Chinese
Postscript font available on Simtel.

Hope these would help. Goo luck.

Dr. Bill H. Liu

Mississippi State University

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On Sun, 20 Jun 1993, Bill H. Liu wrote:

......
> 3. Yes. It uses double-byte encoding. If I remember correctly, it still
> supports BIG-5 encoding scheme only. Cwin3.1 also support DBCS True Type font
> standard. (Sorry, I don't know what DBCS stands for.) Therefore, any
> third-party can provide their own fonts as long as they conform to DBCS
> standard. Thus, the answer for your first question is that you may use
......

DBCS stands for Double Byte Coding System (or Scheme). I just got the
impression from my once experience scanning through CWin 3.0 manuals.

I guess it must be very interesting if someone could post some information
on Microsoft DBCS.

Have fun!

Wang Wei

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On Tue, 22 Jun 1993, J.X. Wang wrote:

> >      If you use the Chinese Windows. Why do you need W4W Chinese and Excel
> > Chinese?
>
> Because English Edition of W4W can not handle writing vertically. I guess
> this is the main reason why you wanna use the Chinese Edition.
>

I suppose other important advantages would be improved
cursor/backspace/delete handling of characters (recognizing them as single,
double-byte units), and automatic line-breaking between characters (in
unaltered W4W a long string of characters is considered one word since
there are no spaces or other punctuation marks separating them; when
forced to word-wrap it will just as soon break a character in the middle,
also). And with any great luck it will allow you to display symbols for
spaces, tabs, hard-returns, etc., without all the Chinese text going
berserk. And if we're really, really lucky it'll let you type in
upper-ASCII characters (like u-umlaut for romanization) without triggering
a Chinese character. Then I'll have something I can really write a
dissertation with and be extremely happy. Otherwise I'll be out 400 bucks
and extremely unhappy. Which I've sort of gotten used to in Chinese
computing.

By the way, has anyone who got the Microsoft East Asian software
development kit CD tried out Japanese Windows 3.0a? I installed it the
other day and found that parts of the screen kept blanking out (font
handling problems, I assume, or incompatibility with my Dell's S3 video
chip), and though the manual made it sound like you got at least a reduced
demo version of Microsoft's kanji/kana input method plus another method
which I thought was supposed to work completely), I couldn't get either to
work at all.  I was going to recommend a friend buy a fast PC clone and
use Japanese Windows and Japanese Word for Windows, but after that try-out
I'm ready to tell him to get a Mac with the Japanese operating system, a
third-party input method and use Nisus as a word processor.

I'm also curious about the Korean Windows, but not knowing Korean and
having had such bad luck with the Japanese program I didn't try it out.

/Ned
walsh@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu

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This is a forwarded posting from the sysop of the "Far East SDK" section
of the Microsoft Extensions Forum on Compuserve:

-------------
Subj:  Purchasing of FESDK              Section: Far East SDK
>From:  B.J. Bahk [Microsoft], 71075,475 #89757
  To:  all                              Monday, June 21, 1993 3:47:21 PM

The purchasing routes and price list of FE SDK 3.1 and
Windows 3.1 for each Far East country is as follows.
Listed vendors except Microsoft may carry some other
softwares and tools for the Far East countries.

1. FE SDK 3.1 will be out on July 7, available through the
Development Services Team (800) 277-4679.  Cost is $299
for CD ROM.   Docs will be out in Aug, also  through DST,
cost is $99.

2. J Win 3.1 will be available through 2 distribution channels
in the US in July.  They are SystemSoft (407) 770-3371 and
Unitrendix (310) 329-3265.

3. C Win 3.1 will be available through Chase Computers in CA.
Tel: (818) 300-8666.
Fax: (818) 300-8693.

4. Korean Win 3.1 can purchase through Computer Plus in CA.
Tel (213) 480-6777. Fax: (213) 480-6781, PSS (213) 480-1940.

Thanks
bj

----------------
Hope this is useful and informative...

Avron

Avron Boretz
Cornell University (Anthropology/East Asia Program)
Cornell Chinese-Japanese-Korean Computing and Database Facility

aab2@crux2.cit.cornell.edu

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From: Terence Kwan <terryk@MICROSOFT.COM>
Subject:      where to buy Chinese window 3.1 and SDK
Comments: To: ccnet-L@uga.cc.uga.edu
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This is not an ad. It is for informational purpose.

Terence Kwan
---------------
***Chinese Windows 3.1***
Please contact Chase Computers @ (818)300-8666.

***Far East SDK info***
Beginning 7/15, the FE SDK is  through the Developer Solutions Team
(800) 227-4679.  SRP is $299; part number is 050-250-100.  The FE SDK
includes Chinese, Japanese and Korean Windows 3.1 and SDK.  For
International orders it's $329.

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Subject:      Re: where to buy Chinese window 3.1 and SDK
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This is from what Microsoft sent to my old address.
Apparently, MS has different prices for international orders.

FE SDK for Windows 3.1
Contents:
Chinese, Japanese and Korean MS-Windows 3.1, SDK extension and
DDK extension and Japanese MS-DOS/V.
Lic. agreement SDK and DDK

International order: 206-936-7329 (Fax)
indicate:
Name, company, address, phone&fax#, Visa,MC or Amex@ &expiration date.
All orders must be paid for in advance by credit card.

Far East SDK3.1 is $329.99
and Documentation set is $129.99


Authorized US distrabutors
SystemSoft Florida (Japanese products)
333 17 St, Ste L
Vero Beach, FL  32960
Fax: 407-569-1937

Unitrendix Corp. (Japanese products)
19300 S. Hamilton Ave, #165
Gardena, CA  90248
Fax: 310-329-3601

Chase Computers (Chinese)
210 E. Main St
Alhambra, CA  91801
Fax: 818-300-8693

Computer Plus (Korean)
3850 Wilshire Blvd, #104
LA, CA  90010
Fax: 213-400-6701

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Subject:      Far East SDK info
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I recently received the following info:

        Far East SDK for Windows 3.1 Now Available!

Microsoft is pleased to announce the availability of the Far
East SDK for Windows 3.1. This is being offered to developers
who are porting their Windows applications to the Far East
markets. To utilize the Far East SDK effectively, Microsoft
recommends that developers already have the US Windows 3.1
SDK. For domestic (US) orders, please contact the Developer
Solutions Team at (800) 227-4679.

Part #: 050-250-100
SRP: $299

CONTENTS:
  CD ROM:
  Japanese Windows 3.1; Chinese Windows 3.1; Korean
Windows 3.1; Japanese SDK; Chinese SDK Extensions;
Korean SDK Extensions; Japanese DDK Extensions Chinese;
DDK Extensions; Korean DDK Extensions; Japanese
MS-DOS/V

  License Agreement
    SDK
    DDK

DOCUMENTATION
This product does not come with any documentation; however,
we will be providing a separate documentation set in late
August. Included will be English documentation for the
Chinese and Korean components of the SDK, English
documentation for the IME section of the Japanese SDK, and
Japanese documentation for the remainder of the Japanese
components. Cost will be $99. To place early domestic (US)
orders, please call (800) 227-4679. Part number is 050-250-110.

SUPPORT
Support for the FE SDK 3.1 will be provided by Microsoft by
connecting to the Far East SDK Section (#9) under the
WINEXT Forum.

INTERNATIONAL ORDERS
For developers located outside the US, please fax your
Purchase Order for the FE SDK 3.1 and/or Documentation
Set to: Far East Marketing
        (206)936-7329

Please indicate:
        your contact name
        company name
        address
        phone, fax (phone is a must for international orders)
        VISA, M/C, AMEX # & expiration date

SRP for the Far East SDK 3.1 is $329.99.
SRP for the Documentation Set is $129.99

All orders mu.st he paid for in advance by credit card.

Authorized U.S. Distributors for Far East Products

        SystemSoft Florida (Japanese Products)
         333 l7th Street, Suite L
        Vero Beach, FL 32960
        T. 407-770-3371
        F. 407-569-1937

        Unitrendix Corporation (Japanese Products)
        19300 S. Hamilton Avenue #165
      Gardena, CA 9024-8
        T. 310-329-3265
        F. 310-329-3601

        Chase Computers (Chinese Products)
        210 E. Main Street
        Alhambra, CA 91801
        T. 818-300-8666
        F. 818-300-8693

        Computer Plus (Korean Products)
        3850 Wilshire Boulevard #104
        Los Angeles, CA 90010
        T. 213-480-6777
        F. 213-400-6701

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From: Carlos McEvilly <UNIT566%TWNMOE10.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Fonts under Chinese Windows: Simplified/Traditional
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Went to the annual Computer Applications Show in Taipei today.
At one booth I saw classical (traditional) and simplified
characters together on the same screen.  The name of this
company is FORYOU; in Chinese it is xiang2rui4 (xiang2shi2 de
xiang2; a yu3--feather--on the right and a sheep radical on
the left, and the rui4 from rui4dian3--Sweden).  [now we see
how great the need is for Chinese computing--it took three
lines to express two characters!]

Their phone is 886-2-701-4164 or 755-7896; fax is 755-3344.
An interesting side note is that they were not showing off
this ability of their own initiative; I had to ask about it
and they scratched their heads to think for a while before
responding that it could be done.

Since Windows allows you to mix several fonts in the same
document, even in on the same line and even having different
fonts for each character of a word, it is no problem to mix
a simplified and a classical font.  We changed two characters
out of a full line of classical characters to simplified, and
it worked fine.  This is the normal way of dealing with fonts
in Windows so there are no kludges.  One fact that will affect
some applications such as email is that when text is saved as
plain text, the formatting (including the fonts) will be lost.
And a simplified character using this method will be stored as
the same Big-5 codepoint as its classical counterpart--so this
is still not an extension with new codepoints; rather it is a
way of marking up the text, letting Windows deal with the work
of showing the characters in the chosen font.

So imagining an online system that would transmit plain text
in Chinese Big-5 codes for email use, it would appear some sort
of escape code system (or perhaps a direct insertion of the
codes Windows uses in documents to identify font changes) would
be necessary.

Several other vendors were also selling fonts for Windows, and
the ones I asked were "working on" simplified versions--although
it is a lower priority for them.  I didn't find the Hwa Kang
(DynaFont) booth today; they were no doubt there but I was in a
hurry--last day in Taipei :(.  People I spoke with said there
were WIFE (Windows Intelligent Font Environment) solutions now
but they are all scrambling to make TrueType versions of their
products.  Apparently either kind of font works fine under
C-Windows 3.1, but the market is asking for TrueType.  One set
of WIFE fonts was advertised as having 15 fonts in 1 megabyte
(but actually it was only 4 fonts; they were counting varying
degrees of thickness as separate fonts)--Fang1Ling2 Co.,
886-2-516-2345 or 515-2770; fax 505-3399.  They say they plan
to release simplified fonts "at the end of the year."

(The below items do not relate to fonts)

I did not talk to IBM myself today but heard from a friend that
they will add Big-5 code capability to the Chinese version of
OS/2.  The scheduled release date for this is 12/93.  IBM 5550
code compatability will also be retained.  There was no word
on whether or not they would remove the current limitation
that allows the Chinese version to run only on Microchannel
(IBM) machines.  In the meantime OS/2 (English version)
continues to be a good platform under which to run ETen,
NewWin, TwinBridge, China Star, and other DOS/Windows/
Unix (ported) programs.

Saw a Chinese version of NeXTSTEP, which looked very nice, but
didn't have time to play with it.  NeXTSTEP 3.1C, from Neng2shi4
(ability/shi4jie4 de shi4) ke1ji4, tel: 886-2-752-1451; fax:
752-5065.

There was a Chinese WP windows program that looked a lot like
Word for Windows, called WinWord.  Not made by Microsoft.
The special feature I was shown was the ability to show text
in a vertical format on the screen, something the MS product
does not do.   Ares International Corp., Tel: 886-2-522-1351;
fax: 551-6448.  Requires Chinese Windows.

TianMa was there (XinTianMa) but only had pinyin input, no
bopomofo--so this market might not welcome the product, even
though it has a very nice approach.

I bought an input method called "Going" in English and Guo2yin1
in Chinese (zhong1guo2/pin1yin1) for NT$199 (US$8); this is a pinyin
phrase input method; it requires you to type the entire sound
(including tone) for each character and does not present choices,
rather it figures out from context which character you wanted to
type.  If it guesses the wrong character you can go back and
correct it by choosing from a list as in most input methods.
It accepts either Pinyin (some of which is incorrect; for example
shi is listed as sh) or another system that resembles Yale.  These
are both in memory simultaneously so they can be freely interchanged,
making this program rather forgiving.  For example you can type
either zhuang4 or zhwang4 and get the same result!  This is being
sold by the people who publish ZhenHan, a Chinese system that
competes with ETen.  Tel: 886-2-363-1373; fax: 363-4159.   They
said this input method will work under ETen but I vaguely remember
having heard otherwise (but perhaps in reference to an earlier
version) and haven't had a chance to try it out at home yet.


- Carlos
  new address: 72672.3462@compuserve.com

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From: "Avron A. Boretz" <aab2@CRUX2.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PinYin for CWIN 3.1?
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On Mon, 30 Aug 1993, Charles Ma wrote:

> Hi, netters:
>
> Could anybody tell me where I can find a PinYin input method
> for MS CWIN 3.1, either shareware or commercial ? I am really
> tired of using those BoPoMoFo to input Chinese char.
>
> _Charles
> ma@cs.pdx.edu

Hanin for MS Chinese Windows 3.1 is available from Matsushita Electric of
Taiwan (Panasonic) -- they are at Jen-ai Rd., sec. 3, #136, 10F in Taipei.
Tel. (886-2) 755-6183, FAX (886-2) 755-6005.

Hanin is a ci2hui4 pinyin input method, available for Mac (6.07 and 7.0),
Chinese Windows *3.0 and 3.1) and Eten for DOS, about US $65 for each one.

Avron

Avron Boretz
Cornell University (Anthropology/East Asia Program)
Cornell Chinese-Japanese-Korean Computing and Database Facility

aab2@crux2.cit.cornell.edu

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Dear Netter:

C-WORD Version 4.0 - a Chinese word processor for PC is to be
distributed soon. C-WORD (CWD) is a standard DOS application that can also
be run under MS WINDOWS. The following highlights some of CWD's features.

* Pull-down menus, pop-up windows, button bar and mouse supported.
* Several input methods. Phrase-assisted (LIANXIANG) PINYIN input covers both
high-frequency and low-frequency Chinese characters with English word
automatically detected feature.
* Both simplified and traditional characters are supported. Three simplified
and one traditional Chinese character fonts and three ASCII fonts.
* 24 pin dot matrix and PLC / HP laserJet printer are supported. True 40X40
and 48X48 bitmap fonts let you print high quality documents.
* Output of WINDOWS format BMP files and PCX graphic files.
* Symbol/date/table insert functions. Print preview, screen saver functions.
* CWD is compatible to GB/HZ files (open/save), although it has its own file
format.

Should you want to receive an announcing information of C-WORD V4.0 please
send me your mailing address (NOT E-mail address).

2-3 people are needed for reviewing/testing CWD 4.0. If

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From: James Lin <chase@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: CWIN/CWORD pin-yin input method?
Comments: To: "Edward J. Hughes" <ejhughes@SANLUIS.UCCS.EDU>
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On Thu, 11 Nov 1993, Edward J. Hughes wrote:

> didn't have the mainland pin-yin input method.  Do you know of any
> drivers that can be added to the CWIN that provide the pin-yin input
> method that is either free, or low cost?  I have called Pacific Rim

There is a package called Hanin for Windows which offers intelligent
bopomofo and Pinyin input for Chinese Windows.  The main feature of this
package is that you do not need to choose the needed character from the
list of characters of the same pronouciation (which is the bottleneck of
phonetic input compare to other faster method), the system will context
sensitively choose the right one for you based on the phrase library.
User defined phrase is also implemented.  The list price for this package
is $90.00

I do know there is another company in HongKong released a package for
Chinese Windows which offers Cantonese PinYin, Guo Biao and PinYin input.

>
>         Also, in the same context, where can I get additional fonts at
> a reasnable price, or no cost off the net-work that would run with
> this software mentioned above or with a system that woulld handle Guo
> Biao coding.
>

If you need simplfied font on Chinese Windows, there are 2-3 companies
offers simplified TTF for traditional Chinese Windows.  If you are
considering a system which based on Guo Biao encoding, Microsoft just
released the simplified Chinese Windows on Oct 12.   The price for
typefaces varies from 25.00 - 150.00 per typeface.

/James

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I'm not exactly sure what your question is- but here goes- I presume your
friend has Xywrite running in Windows, since Twindbridge is a Windows
utiltity.   First of all select the Twinbridge icon so that the
Twinbrdige selection bar appears at the bottom of the screen- Depending
on how you've configured TB the utility and Chinese fonts are loaded
automatically when you load TB, or after setting up the TB bar by
selecting the icon you go into the font selection menu and select a
Chinese TT font. (my demo is limited but I have no problem running it- my
font is Chnfont.)  Then you have to select and input method- and this is
tricky if you can't read Chinese- anyway, for instance, the second input
method is PinYin-which I can use- I enter a combination of consonants and
vowels- ni, for example, and the TB bar displays all possible choices-
type the number of your choice and that selection appears in your document.

I hope this helps.  The on-line tutorial in TB help is good- it walks you
through a specific example- All of the on-line help is good- it just was
very obviously translated from Chinese and needs some proofreading.

You can also try PCExpress the developer- I am sorry I can't find the tel
number- they are in CA- I think in the San Francisco Area.

Good Luck
Susan Lasovick
Polyglot
617-631-7696
fax:617-639-4496


On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Jim Hearne wrote:

> A friend is trying to get Twinbridge to work with XyWrite and needs to
> know how fonts are represented.
>
> Any help?
>
>                         Jim Hearne
>

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Subject:      Tips and tricks for Word for Windows, Chinese.
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I have been asked several times by friends on email and locally, how my
translation offices manages to work in German, French, etc. inside Chinese
Windows. Generally, we use two different approaches on our 16 486-machines:

1) Edit the win.ini file
Look for the line ANSI(00)=Yes in the segment [Associated...] and change
it to ANSI(00)=No. Thus no English (i.e. incl. high bit character set)
will be changed to Chinese characters.

2) Use a Highbit font
We have produced several SYMBOL-truetype fonts by editing their header
with FONTMONSTER, a shareware program from Leaping Lizards, Taiwan.
Changing the typeto Symbol in the upper left corner of the header editing
page results in Chinese windows not substituting the high bits with
Chinese, if you leave the [Associated..] section of win.ini unchanged.

Word for Windows Chinese 5.0 is about to be launched.
-mh
Taipei

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On Mon, 27 Dec 1993, DL83-02 wrote:

> I have been asked several times by friends on email and locally, how my
> translation offices manages to work in German, French, etc. inside Chinese
> Windows. Generally, we use two different approaches on our 16 486-machines:
>
> 1) Edit the win.ini file
> Look for the line ANSI(00)=Yes in the segment [Associated...] and change
> it to ANSI(00)=No. Thus no English (i.e. incl. high bit character set)
> will be changed to Chinese characters.
>
> [stuff deleted]

  I am also working in french under Chinese Windows, and I use the "ansi"
trick. To facilitate typing, I change the keyboard design in the Control
Panel to "International" (after I spent some time looking for a
"International" keyboard driver in Windows Setup... do not laugh at me !).
  This way, no need to type the internal code anymore on the numeric pad
(which did sometimes make my 486 HANG :( ), the keys [' ` ^ " ,] allow to
type the french stresses or diacritics on or under letters : for instance,
['] followed by [e] will compose [e acute] etc. (BTW, [c cedilla] is [acute]
[c]).
  This method could also be used on a laptop more easily than the keypad...
One shortcoming of this method is that REAL quote ' has to be followed
by a [space] if there is an [e] beginning the next word (otherwise you
get [l] [e acute] instead [l] [quote (apostrophe)] [e].
  I often just type in using the WRITE chinese applet, and I noticed the
followings :
  - the french letter appears only if I type a [return]  AFTER the
    sequence [diacritic] [letter]. It seems WRITE is waiting, thinking it
    gets a chinese character. I guess that doesn't happen in a 'real' WP,
    because I also have the FRENCH version (probably the same as the english
    one) of WRITE, and this behaviour doesn't appear there. I can also type
    chinese under french WRITE, although I need there TWO BS to delete ONE
    chinese Dble Byte Char.
  - only the fonts not including the access to chinese characters let
    french letter appear on screen. So you need to change fonts
    before typing a sequence of french or chinese inside a text in the
    other language (one can use the little tool displaying fonts whose
    icon is a key to see the difference). I use a matrix printer. Using a
    Truetype font allows to print french chars (Roman f. ex.) otherwise the
    printer fonts which substitute at print time may just ignore them and
    print white spaces instead.

  Last point, it is better (according to Microsoft) also to change
accordingly the DOS and Windows used pagecodes (I use latin 850), although
Windows did not complain when I launched it with US (437 ?) codepage from a
DOS in latin 850. The Windows Setup just noticed the difference the next
time I installed and corrected the Windows codepage following DOS rule...

  I apologise to those who will find that this message deals with too
basic things :
AFTER being told the "ANSI" trick by Microsoft, I still spent some time
looking into that problem (specialy the keyboard one) before being able to
type french in a proper way, so I thought I would post these infos to shorten
the process for others. (probably if I had been more full of courage and
browsed more into my chinese language documentation, I could have done it
quicker...)

  I wonder if there is such a easy way to generate the northern european
letters under ChWin 3.1 (I mean NOT the ALT thing) ?

Gautier Gerard
Wen-Tzao School of Foreign Languages
French Dept. Kaohsiung - Taiwan

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Lotus Approach, Chinese Windows and Non-English Languages Here is what you
need to upgrade your antiquated database system: Buy Lotus Approach - a
surprisingly easy-to-use database under Windows 3.x. Install it on your
Chinese Windows 3.1. If you need foreign languages that require the full
ASCII-character set, get some highbit Truetype fonts or turn of the
ANSI-substitution in the win.ini file. The result is an extremely simple
yet powerful database that stores information in any language you buy
fonts for (even Chinese-Arabic-Hindi dictionaries are possible). We used
it to create a German-English-Chinese technology dictionary which now
holds around 23,000 entries. The files are still relatively small, and
Lotus Approach supports the German umlauts and the Chinese characters in
any view, list, report, mail label you'd possibly wish to create.  Marten
Hiesboek, Mainz Studio Taipei s66180@cc.ntnu.edu.tw

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>
> is there a pinyin entry method for MS chinese windows 3.1?
>
> how do i get it?
>

Yes. There is. It is called Hanin by Panasonic. It provides Phonetic, Pinyin,
and some neat features to save you time on input. It is available frome Chase
Computers in L.A. Their number is (818)300-8666. Good luck.

BLiu

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On Sat, 8 Jan 1994, Peter P Chiu wrote:

> is there a pinyin entry method for MS chinese windows 3.1?
>
> how do i get it?
>

Yes.  There are about 3 products which could provide pinyin under CWIN 3.1

1) Hanin Input Method - Hanin is an intelligent phonetic input method
which incorporate pinyin, bopomofo and romanized bopomofo.  You could
still use the same way to do the input and no need to learn different
mapping.  However, the beauty of Hanin is that you DO NOT have to select
the desired character from the character list of the same
pronounciation.  The system will automatically choose for you.  Also, you
still could force to pick any desired character in case the one select
automatically is not the one you want.  Since the system contains a well
designed phrase dictionary, the developer claims that the accuracy rate
is about 93% for the general document.  System also provide you the
ability to build your own phrase - your name, company name, special term...

2) Input Master from Unionway - The main function of this product is to
enable user to create their own input method under CWIN 3.1  - system
comes with Cangjei, bopomofo, pinyin, big-5, English to Chinese
translation input tables.  So, if you do not want to create your own
input method, you could use pinyin directly.  If you need to implement
WuBi, you can also use this tool.  The pinyin table comes with the
product provide tone and toneless entries.  Pinyin phrase is also allowed.

3) I do know there is a company in Hong Kong also provides a package
contains pinyin, cantonese pinyin, wubi and gb-code input IME for CWIN 3.1

If you desire to purchase 1) or 2), they are available from
Chase Computers (818) 300-8666

James Lin

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>I don't know where to buy the CStar outside China, I would be grateful
>if some one can provide the purchase information of CStar 1.2, in USA,
>Europe,....

In Australia, you can buy CStar v1.3 for A$550 = US$390 from

Austone Technology Pty Ltd.
F3a 683-689 George Street, Sydney NSW 2000
P O Box K47 Haymarket NSW 2000
Phone: (02) 281-8329
Fax:   (02) 281-8354

My Note:
1. Cstar comes with a hardware lock (Dongle), which should attach to LPT1.
2. There is no upgrade policy, that means if you have bought v1.2 for A$500,
   you still need to pay A$550 for v1.3.
3. From my experience, it is good if you just want to make one page or two
   ads sheet, simply because you have Chinese chars with all English Fonts.
   BUT, if you are planning to work on a book or something, be careful.
   it crash Windows so offen, that I have to use WS_Word's autosave every
   minute. Once it crashes, you need to reboot window.
4. You will experiencing 'dirty sentense' in your file. That is because
   Word Processing program wrap the sentense at half chinese chars.

Hongbo

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>I don't know where to buy the CStar outside China, I would be grateful
>if some one can provide the purchase information of CStar 1.2, in USA,
>Europe,....

In Australia, you can buy CStar v1.3 for A$550 = US$390 from

Austone Technology Pty Ltd.
F3a 683-689 George Street, Sydney NSW 2000
P O Box K47 Haymarket NSW 2000
Phone: (02) 281-8329
Fax:   (02) 281-8354

My Note:
1. Cstar comes with a hardware lock (Dongle), which should attach to LPT1.
2. There is no upgrade policy, that means if you have bought v1.2 for A$500,
   you still need to pay A$550 for v1.3.
3. From my experience, it is good if you just want to make one page or two
   ads sheet, simply because you have Chinese chars with all English Fonts.
   BUT, if you are planning to work on a book or something, be careful.
   it crash Windows so offen, that I have to use WS_Word's autosave every
   minute. Once it crashes, you need to reboot window.
4. You will experiencing 'dirty sentense' in your file. That is because
   Word Processing program wrap the sentense at half chinese chars.

Hongbo

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If you are talking about Dorak's ChinaStar, their address and phone are:
DORAK International, Inc., 1710 S. DelMar Ave. Ste. 212, San Gabriel, CA
91776, U.S.A. Phone:818-288-9171, fax: 288-6205.
Tianwei Xie
UVD

On Mon, 24 Jan 1994, Mouse T wrote:

> Hi dear CCNETters:
>
> Last time I uploaded ChClnd and then I received some emails asking
> where to buy CStar in USA and Europe. This time after I uploaded
> WinHZ I received sevaral this kind of emails too. Because I really
> don't know where to buy the CStar outside China, I would be grateful
> if some one can provide the purchase information of CStar 1.2, in USA,
> Europe,....
> You are wellcome to email me.
> Regards,
> Tian Bogang
>

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1. This is both good and bad news for Hongbo.

I use NJSTAR v2.1 for editing my document.  Then I use a script command
to format it.  Then I use CStar to print it out.

In this way, I am getting the best out of each of these packages.

2. The copy of Chinese Star I use does not have the donggle. (BTW, I do
not own that copy, it is my friend's). It has 4 outline Jianti font and
1 very poor Fanti Font.

3. In the documentation it says the copy with a donggle has 12 outline
Jianti fonts and 12 outline Fanti fonts.

4.  The printing and scrolling of Chinese Star is slow because the
software is badly designed.  It doesn't keep the font in a cache memory
(i.e.  it doesn't maintain a font buffer).  So it has to read the font
data from hard disk, and compute the bitmap from the outline font for
each and every character in the document.  Hence, the worst of the worst
come together - disk intensive and CPU intensive.  I think Hu Bo will
agree with me.  Speed can be enhanced if it maintain a buffer of the
bitmap of the fonts.

5.  The documentation of Chinese Star is poor.  Although it says it has
a open architecture on fonts and input method, but it does not give a
single hint on how they are like, i.e.  the specifications of the fonts
format and input method file format are not given.  I always want to
port my own enhanced Jianti Cangjie (now used in CXTERM and NJSTAR) to
it but the documenation doesn't spell out the format that I should
follow.
   Only User Guide is provided. There is not such thing as Technical
Reference. Despite what it says in the Introduction - something like the
ideal platform for Chinese Software development - the poor documentation
and support itself defeats its purpose.


I hope to hear some feedback from the authority especially concerning
point 4 & 5.

Sincerely,
Liangsheng WU

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J75BC,
You said:
> Actually, my system does has chinese font installed.  I think probably
> it the operating system.

There is a way to make sure that the Chinese "Xi Ming" font is actually
installed:

>From Program Manager, double click on Control Panel.
>From Control Panel, click on Fonts.
Now look carefully in the "Installed Fonts" box.  This lists the fonts
that are actually installed.  If there are many fonts, there will be
a scroll bar on the right edge of this box.  Scroll down all the way
to the last font in this list.  This one should be the Chinese "Xi Ming"
font (actually shown on the monitor in Chinese).  If it is not there,
then simply install it.  If it is there, then it is bad news.

I have OS2 on another machine, but have not found time to install CWIN
on it.  Please let me know how you make out.

I will send you info on the store to buy fonts when I dig out the file.

Ming

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On Sat, 29 Jan 1994, Ming Pei wrote:

> Stuart Aque wrote:
> > I too use CWIN 3.1, AmiPro, WinWord, with Dynafonts, Compufonts,
> > Hanin, etc., But I'm still looking for a TrueType font editor. Do you
> > have any experience with anything that works with TT fonts other that the
> > zaozi utility that comes with CWIN and at best yields a 64x64 bitmap
> > version of a font?
>
> I seem to recall seeing an ad somewhere about font editor. If I find it
> I will send you a note.
> While you are waiting for a super 64-bit font editor, just think of the
> poor folks still using 16-bit or 24-bit CCLIB fonts ;-)

I am not sure which product you are mentioning.  At least, I do have a
good news for Chinese Windows users who need to create new characters or
modify exsiting Chinese TrueType fonts.

Unionway just released a FontMaker program which allow the users to
create new characters or modify existing characters under Chinese
Windows.  You can build new characters based on exsiting radical parts
extracted from any characters.  Of course, the result characters are in
TrueType (almost - explained later) format hence are scalable - better
than just 64X64 bitmap.

There are two versions of this product : professional version also
includes tracing functions which could also handle WIFE based fonts and
imports bitmap images.  Standard version could only handle TrueType fonts.

The resulting font is protected and could be used only on the same
machine - it is 99% nearly real TrueType, that remaining 1% is protected.

This product is protected (unfortunately) and could be installed 5 times.

If you are interested in this product, please call Chase at (818) 300-8666.

Hope this help.

James Lin

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Christian Wittern, Kyoto wrote:

> I recently found, that a variety of packages containing the Software
> Development Kit (SDK) for Japanese Windows 3.1 arrived in Japanese
> computerstores. They vary in content (CD  or floppies +? manuals) and
> range in prices from ca. US$ 85 to +200.

*** deleted

> Now I wonder if and at what price similar packages are also available for
> Chinese Windows?

In the January 1994 issure of Microsoft Developer Network News, they
announced a new Level II Development Platform, which includes, the
Far East SDK (Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese, Chinese, Thai) as well as
all other SDK's and operating systems..  No more separate packages.
US$495. It also gives a phone n. in Japan 81 3 5454-2300

Hope this helps.

Ming Pei

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> Ed,
>
> >         I have to agree with you on some of your points about commercial
> > Chinese software.  I too am quite frustrated.  I just bought Twin Bridge,
> and
> > am hapy with the function of the product.  It was a little expensive, but

How much did you pay?  I ask because I saw a book tw which explains the
how Twin Bridge work, it comes with two Twin Bridge system diskette.  The
price for the book is about US $55,  I was actually surprised by how
inexpensive the system is!  My understanding of TwinBridge is that it is
some kind of Windows IO subsystem extension like the ATM (though more
sophisticated) to make Windows application except and display Chinese.
For $55, I would have brough it right the way, however, I have heard mix
comment regarding this s/w, can anyone comment if what I see is the same
as what this group has been discussing about?  the book was published in
Dec 92.

--------//-----------
> Fortunately,there is a solution even now.  Buy Microsoft Chinese Windows
> 3.1 (CWIN).  It is much cheaper.  It is far superior and more powerful.

And how cheap is much cheaper?  Is CWIN 100% and fully compatible with
Windows 3.1. The main concern here is networking, I work for a networking
company, having a CWIN working identical to win 3.1 is very important,
any comment?

--------//-----------
> Ming Pei
> Intenet:  MPei@aol.com
>

I kind of like the TB approach, that is it is a extension to the system
that can be loaded and unload on demand (can I do this dynamicly while
while windows is running?) if some kind of conflick occurs.  I think
MS should actually take the same approach instead of selling seperate
version of Windows for each language -- take the UNIX approach, i.e.
user buys the core windows platform which supports US-ASCII (may be
some other Roman-character based language) and user of other language
buys a language suppliment.  Just an idea!


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On Tue, 1 Feb 1994, Mouse T wrote:

> 1) running WinWord 6.0 under Cstar 1.2? In my pc, WinWord 6.0 does not
>    start at all when Csatr 1.2 is there.

WinWord 6.0 will run under Chinese Windows 3.1 just like WinWord 2.0
I am surprised that it can not work with Cstar if that is true.

>
> 2) running CorelDraw 3.0 under Chinese Windows 3.1? In my pc there is no
>    way to input chinese character. Have you got something like HZPIC of
>    Cstar under Chinese Windows 3.1?

There are many different approach to incorporate Chinese into CorelDraw
3.0/4.0 under Chinese Windows.  Several such utilities could generate
EPS, WMF, BMP, PCX or the best - single byte TTF or PS fonts.

>
> 3) running PageMaker 5.0 under Cstar 1.2 or Chinese Windows 3.1? Can you
>    printout? I could not.

We have no problem running PageMaker 5.0 under Chinese Windows 3.1 and
print the document out.  We could even rotate the text block 270 degree
and select the @ TTF or WIFE fonts (the 90 degree rotate ones) to
accomplish vertical WYSIWYG text direction layout and editing.

James Lin

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Lixin Shao wrote:
>    ...
Kefeng Chen  wrote :
>  Can anybody tell me where I can purchase Chinese Window 3.1 in the States?


You can purchase Microsoft Chinese Windows 3.1 from:

Mr. Thomas P. Tu
Computer Communications Consulting, Inc.
19 Sutton Drive
Manalapan, N.J. 07726

You can use it in place of the US edition of Windows 3.1, or you
can install it side-by-side with the US Windows 3.1 (in a
separate directory).

Installation is easy. But you have to read the manuals.

If you install both copies of Windows in the same machine, and
you wish to use application, Ami Pro, for example, you have to
install the application twice, once in each windows.  There will
still be only one copy of Ami Pro on the disk.  But there have to
have win.ini files for both windows.

Most of the time, I use the Write that comes with CWIN, which is
very good for Chinese text work.

Hope this helps.

Ming Pei
Internet: MPei@aol.com

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>
> For a system which can run both Chinese and upper ASCII, try Winner for
> Windows, V2.8. It will create the upper ascii, as well as many other quite
> convenient symbols. It is a full DTP, with such unique capabilities in the
> Chinese DTP world as TOC and index generation. The address is:
>
>
There are many programs useable for Chinese and upper ASCII, PageMaker 4-5,
QuarkEXpress 3.12, WinWord 2.0b and so on. Combine the original English (or
in my case: Germany versions) with Chinese Star for Windows 1.2.

Bo

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At first sight, it seems that the Standard Windows does not support
Chinese TTF Fonts directly. But this does not mean Chinese TTF fonts
cannot be used at all in the Standard Windwos (stdwin). What need to be
done is a suit of subroutines for translating the Chinese TTF physical
data in the font file into bitmaps. Consequently, Chinese characters can
be manipulated like bitmaps.

In the mean time, an easy temporary solution could be using the HBF
Bitmap files. Here's a system block diagram:

HBF Bitmap file e.g. cclib.16
                V
                V
Read HBF Bitmap file to Font Buffer
                V
                V
Font Buffer residing in RAM
                V
                V
Windows Bitmap Structure


The above solution is temporary.  In long term, there are at least two
tasks to deal with at the moment.  One is to find or develop or port
(port from Chinese Windows) font engine capable of handling Chinese TTF
as a DLL. Secondly is to reduce the size of Chinese TTF file by using
the Composition Structure as mentioned in the TTF spec. It seems to me
that although Composition is mention in the TTF spec, but it has not
been implemented in the Chinese TTF.


In the mean time, the temporary solution also offer an advantage that is
the size of the font files.  Clearly there exist a gap between TTF files
and Bitmap files, the former being 3MB plus each (at least 8MB for Big5)
while the latter is about 600KB plus each (24x24 for GB, at about 1MB
for Big5).  Until the TTF can be reduced by composition to about 1MB per
font, it is not favourable in Standard Windows because of the following
reasons:

The whole point of developing Chinese apps in Stdwin instead of Chinese
Windows is the advantage of portability and performance.  One issue
involved is the ease of installation -> size of font files.

Let's call the Chinese apps in Stadard Windows (or other environment
such as DOS) 'Standard Chinese apps' and Chinese apps in Chinese Windows
(or other environment such as Eten) as 'Chinese Chinese Apps'.

At present, Chinese Chinese apps is the mainstream Chinese apps.  But
Standard Chinese apps must have the advantage of being 'small, slim and
smart' in order to outdo Chinese Chinese apps and sell.  The
sluggishness of the Chinese Chinese apps are mainly due to the sheer
size and complexity of the Chinese system they based upon. One major
contribution to the size and complexity is the array of fonts and
dictionary and complex interface offered by the Chinese system.

Typical Standard Chinese Apps such as NJStar or CWB or Xialibaren can
run very quickly on a 286.  However, Chinese Chinese apps for Chinese
Windows would normally require a fast (very fast) 486, with lots of RAM
(and lots and lots of RAM) to run comfortably.  It is very difficult to
optimise Chinese Chinese apps because due to the sheer size and
complexity of Chinese system, the Chinese system itself is very
difficult to optimise.

It maybe unfair to compare NJStar et.  el.  to apps in Chinese Windows
because the former is DOS base and DOS base apps are suppose to run
faster than Windows apps anyway.  But we shall see how a carefully
design Std Chinese apps in Standard Windows can run significantly faster
than its Chinese Windows counterpart.  Another comparison can be made
between Chinese Chinese DOS Word processor running in Eten with the Std
Chinese apps.

Maybe the rich and power PC use will sneer at the performance issue.
But I suppose many Chinese still could not afford or reluctant to spend
Kilo-Yuans on too many Megabytes on both Harddisk and RAM.




Yours,
Liangsheng Wu
Southampton, UK

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Reply-To: HU Bo <ucc02au@SUNMAIL.LRZ-MUENCHEN.DE>

  There is a problem which is hardly realized by Microsoft:  many people in
  involved in CJK studies and even many Oversea-Chinese (J., K.) DO NOT want a
  fully localized Chinese (J., K.) system, but a system supporting BOTH the
  European languages and Chinese (J., K.  resp.).  Evenmore, the best system
  should be able to combine CJK with European languages.  And, that is the key
  requirement:  standard Windows applications should run on such a system.  So
  I think that solutions like CStar or TwinBridge could be a much more clever
  alternative to full localized versions, no difference of Windows or OS/2.

Besides the two solutions you mentioned, there is another solution - Chinese
Applications running on top of Standard Windows. There is no need for Chinese
Subsystem like CStar or Twinbridge or a full localised Chinese Windows.
Standard Windows will do and the Chinese functions are built into the
applications itself.

This month I have heard of, but have not tested, two products of this
category for MS-Windows:
1.  Jia Yin (a word processor, see a post earlier)
2.  Word-link. A Chinese DTP system with Chinese Postscript Fonts, a
Singaporean product.  I have not written down the telephone line of the
company who produce Word-link.  Some one in Singapore please help.  The
advertisement looks quite impressive.  It shows the program running in Mac and
Microsoft Windows.  I am trying to contact the vendor here for a
demonstration. Watch this space for further news.

As all Chinese programs do more or less the same in terms of Chinese
functions, I think the third solution has one big advantage to offer -
stability - because in principle,  it does not do anything nasty with the
Operating Systems.

These programs are applications programs which have Chinese functions but
running on top of a non-Chinese O/S. I shall keep a list of such products.
In DOS, there are NJSTAR and CWB. Now we start to see Chinese programs for
Standard Windows.  I think the list of products of the third category will be
growing in the future.

To summarise, there are three types of configuration for Chinese systems
1. fully localised Chinese O/S such as Chinese Windows
2. Standard (non-Chinese) O/S with Chinese Subsystems (patchers) such as CStar
with Windows
3. Chinese Applications running on top of Standard O/S such as NJStar for DOS
and Word-link for Windows.



What I think CStar and Twinbridge should do in the future is
- not to interfere with the low level O/S function, and at the same time
provide a consistent API to applications calling for their service. What
CStar/Twinbridge is doing now is - whether a Windows program likes it or not,
it will provide it with the Chinese functions - this is something like
intruding the privacy of those programs. What I propose is to become a
subsystems that provides service upon request only, via a consistent set API
calls.


  By the Way, has anybody tried CStar or TwinBridge on OS/2+Win?

OS/2+Win. Both OS/2-Win and OS/2 for Windows are patching Windows in some
ways. OS/2-Win patches Windows in the source code level. OS/2 for Windows
patches Windows in the memory during run-time. Both aim to correct the
behaviour of Windows so that it behave better on top of OS/2. (I vaguely
remember that is to make Windows a well behaved DPMI server.)

Now if you use CStar or Twinbridge, you are effectively patching the Windows
in the memory during run-time.

How stable will the system behave after Windows has been patched twice ??
First by OS/2, then by CStar??

Yours,
Liangsheng Wu


--
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Sungai Petani, Malaysia   |   an old 286.  A few years back, this place
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> By the Way, has anybody tried CStar or TwinBridge on OS/2+Win?


>Bo


I use Ami-pro and CStar on OS/2 for Windows and Windows 3.1( yike) for
most of my Chinese editing. works fine, except the usual pain of using an
English word processor on a patched chinese system( characters split,
two back-spaces, etc.)



-- Bo

by the way I just installed Linux. runs smoothly like a dream. I'm ready
to remove my OS/2 partition sometimes. Someone should write a chinese
GUI for Linux. Now I'm using Xfree386.

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>I use Ami-pro and CStar on OS/2 for Windows and Windows 3.1( yike) for
>most of my Chinese editing. works fine, except the usual pain of using an
>English word processor on a patched chinese system( characters split,
>two back-spaces, etc.)
>
>-- Bo
>
>by the way I just installed Linux. runs smoothly like a dream. I'm ready
>to remove my OS/2 partition sometimes. Someone should write a chinese
>GUI for Linux. Now I'm using Xfree386.

OS/2: I use the TWin add-on provided by IBM, which allows you to convert any
Windows =>3.1 system to MS Chinese Windows compatiblity. It works with all
TT fonts and .ime input methods, but cannot run at the same time as ATM.
Works with Windows 3.1, 3.11, Workgroups, and Win-OS/2 (which is what I
currently use, with Winword 6.0a, Framemaker 4.02, and Hanin for Windows).
Big5 only, however.

Linux: I'm surprised no one on the net has mentioned the Linux
internationalization project. There are already extensions for Japanese, and
the first language chosen for 100% localization is Chinese. There is a
debate going on over whether and how to implement Unicode (sound familiar?).
In the meantime, there are GB and Big5 cxterms for XFree86, and HZ as well.
The WINE Windows emulation for Linux is in very early alpha stage at this
point (and has been for nearly a year, so don't expect to see it released to
the public any time soon), so if you need to work with DOS/Windows apps in a
Chinese mode, OS/2 is probably the best alternative to DOS at this point.

--Avron
*******************************************************************************
                                     Avron Boretz

              Cornell University, Department of Anthropology
  CU Chinese-Japanese-Korean Computing and Database Facility
                                aab2@cornell.edu
                      aboretz@cucjk.eap.cornell.edu
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From: Ng Liang Shing <liang@HSNG.PL.MY>
Subject:      Single Byte Chinese Patching System
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Status: RO

TopBridge Superwin

Has anyone used TopBridge Superwin Chinese System for Windows?

I recently read an article on the newspaper (Sin Chiew Jit Poh, Malaysia,
Thursday, 18-8-94) about it.  As claimed, it is a Chinese Character Patching
System, i.e.  similar to Chinese Star for Windows.  In other words, it
modifies the Character I/O Subsystem of Windows so as to enable Chinese
Character I/O.

A related product is the TopFont, it is a single byte encoded Chinese font.

The main feature of Superwin is singel byte encoded Chinese characters.

It is sold at $98.00 (Malaysian Dollar), equivalent to US$40. It is a Canadian
product.


How Single Byte Encoding works?

This is how I guess single byte encoding works.

As we know, there are about 7000 characters in the Guobiao set and 13000
characters in the Big5 set. To represent a character uniquely, we need two
bytes (16 bits).

Conventional Chinese patcher systems uses double byte encoding. Double byte
encoding is not fully compatible with non-Chinese applications. By way of
example, in a non-Chinese wordprocessing systems, which is patched for
Chinese, reformatting paragraph sometimes causes split character - the two
bytes representing a Chinese character is separated. In conventional Chinese
patcher system, each Chinese character in the active session is represented by
two bytes. By active session, for example, I mean a document opened by a
wordprocessor.

To achieve full compatibility with non-Chinese applications, it is necessary
to encode Chinese character using one byte, at least in the active session.
But how can we uniquely define a Chinese character using one byte? I think the
secret is that

**** for each character or byte in the active session, the
**** Chinese patcher stored the other corresponding byte in a background
**** session.

The active session is owned by the running non-Chinese application.  The
background session is owned by the Chinese patcher system.

By way of example using the hypothetical wordprocessing systems again, we can
now reformat a paragraph without worrying about split character, because
single byte will not be seperated.

This however result in some other complications. For example, when saving the
active session as a file directly, only one byte for each character will be
saved. The other byte in the background session will be lost. To overcome
this, the Chinese patcher systems must also patch the file handle/stream
functions. For example, when saving a file, the patcher must insert the
background character after each character in the active session. When
retrieving a file, the patcher must 'steal' a byte from the active session.


Conclusion

My guess is that single byte encoding is achieved using the method mentioned
above. Conventional Chinese patcher only patches the Character I/O subsystem.
Now I think the new Superwin Chinese systems has achieve patching the file
stream/handle functions.  This is undoubtedly a step forward in the art of
Chinese patching system.  It is I think the state of the art of Chinese
patchers.  However, as far as formal software engineering is concerned,
Chinese patcher systems are not the proper practice.

Comments welcome.
--
Ng Liang Shing            |   This is an Internet node host inside
Sungai Petani, Malaysia   |   an old 286.  A few years back, this place
liang@hsng.pl.my          |   was not more than a small town.

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On Fri, 19 Aug 1994, Ng Liang Shing wrote:

> TopBridge Superwin
>
> To achieve full compatibility with non-Chinese applications, it is necessary
> to encode Chinese character using one byte, at least in the active session.
> But how can we uniquely define a Chinese character using one byte? I think the
> secret is that
>
> **** for each character or byte in the active session, the
> **** Chinese patcher stored the other corresponding byte in a background
> **** session.
>

It is not like what you mentioned.  Basically, SuperWin turns a CHinese
typeface info about 60 or even more single byte TTF - just like the way
you implement a double byte format 2 cmap table.

So, when you do the input, SuperWin will first determine which single
byte TTF and what code space it should put into the document.  It's just
that simple.


> This however result in some other complications. For example, when saving the
> active session as a file directly, only one byte for each character will be
> saved. The other byte in the background session will be lost. To overcome

Well, the document is still a very normal document, all the characters
are normal.  You can simply open the document without any other help even
without SuperWin running.


> stream/handle functions.  This is undoubtedly a step forward in the art of
> Chinese patching system.  It is I think the state of the art of Chinese

Hard to say it is a step forward or a step backard.  This technique is
not new and it is a good question to ask why similar vendor does not use
it.  Actually, there are many reasons involved so even Top does not take
it at the first place.

/James Lin

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I just received the September 27 issue of _PC Magazine_, in which the
following announcement is printed, which I thought might be of some
interest to Eastlib subscribers.

	... Gamma UniType, a new multilingual Windows program from
	Gamma Productions (800-974-2662), maker of Multi-Lingual 
	Scholar.  UniType installs UniCode extensions, which support
	175 languages, into Windows, and lets you localize all 
	your Windows apps.  And for multilingual Windows word
	processing, Israel-based Accent Software International
	(800-535-5226) has introduced Accent, a 34-language word
	processor that lets you use multiple character sets within
	a single document and switch among different language keyboards.

		Carol Levin, "Briefs," _PC Magazine_ 13 (16):  32
			(27 September 1994)

While it seems that Gamma UniType includes the CJK region of the Unicode
table, how well "all your Windows apps." localized through this software
programme can handle 2-byte codes remains to be seen.

Hideyuki Morimoto



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In addition to the input methods coming with CLK, there is a third-party
Hanin for Macintosh, which is better (context-sensitive) than the ones
provided. It is bundled in Taiwan with the Traditional Chinese system.
There seem to be others; the simplified Chinese WinKit used to come with
Sindex; I don't know whether that has been updated to 7.1. (WinText 2.7.1
works fine--but I switched to Nisus.)

I have found some very small, unimportant glitches with Hanin when simplified
Chinese is installed as well. But it has some benefits: symbols and punctua-
tion are more easily available; and it would choose correctly the various "ji4"
in e.g. "guoji" versus "jingji". Drawbacks: it sometimes overrules what you
think you have chosen (since it assumes you edit characters line by line, not
character by character, it sometimes changes a character you have already input
ted.) Also, it takes "no tone mentioned" as the first tone instead of any
tone, which is plain weird (result of zhuyin influence. But if you're
unhappy with the very basic CLK input systems, it's worth checking out.

Martin Heijdra, Gest, Princeton

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Hi 80905046 ( I do not know what kind of name it is :-)

I am the right one you should ask. I am a member of Chinese Star develop =
team, SunTendy Software Co. Beijing.=20

The lastest news, PWin95(Win95 simplify chinese edition) will be =
released at Feb 1996. so I call it Win96. (a joke).

We ( SunTendy co.) have released a Win95 version of Chinese Star, we =
call it Cstar2.0 plus. It can support Win95 English edition and Win95 =
Chinese edition both. If you wanna know something more about Chinese =
Star please contact to out Marketing Dept. Call (86)10-8450340.=20

PLEASE DO NOT ASK ME more about it. I am not a tech-support here. I am =
just a programmer, I have not enought time to answer those question.
I am very sorry for it. Would you mind? :-)

Kevin Jungle=20

----------
From:   =
80905046@ex.ecip.osaka-u.ac.jp[SMTP:80905046@ex.ecip.osaka-u.ac.jp]
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To:     kevin@PUBLIC.BTA.NET.CN
Subject:        Re: Cwin95

>Hi Guys:
>
>Simplify Chinese Windows95 is still under b2 testing. It will be =
>release in 96,
>Win96 ! :-)
>
>Kevin Jungle

 Please tell me more about Cwin95 and CStar for win95.
 thanks.

-----------------------------------------
Shen Jin(80905046@ex.ecip.osaka-u.ac.jp)
Osaka University, Japan

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This just came across the unicode list this a.m., part of an ongoing
discussion that I'm sure will interest some.  Nothing political here, I
hope.  But please, any remarks belong to the original author, and do not
necessarily reflect my own opinion.  Apologies for cross postings, and I
hope somebody finds this useful.

****************forwarded message begins****************
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Well, I went out and bought Office97, mostly in order to have a
Unicode-based Word.

I've installed all the "Far East" language packs, and have discovered a
couple of odd things. First, if I open everyone's favorite test page,

http://www.cm.spyglass.com/unicode/iuc10/x-utf8.html

I get missing-char boxes where the kanji and hanzi should be. Not too
surprising since the new direct HTML support probably uses some "HTML
default fonts" (one for proportional, one for fixed) defined somewhere,
and those fonts are probably 8859-1.

When I select a some CJK text and choose one of the Asian fonts, it works
as I would expect (well, *after* I remind myself again that kana chars
*are* included in the Chinese charsets, and that the JIS charset does
include the traditional 'country' (kuni, guo2, kuk) char!), but if I
change to other Asian fonts to see how they look, my machine locks up
after a couple of changes.

My assumption is that Word97 is trying to hold all of these enormous fonts
simultaneously in memory and choking on them. It locks up tight, and I'm
forced to control-alt-delete the app to get out of it. It appears as
though working with multiple Asian languages means 1) save your work
often, 2) "multilingual" doesn't necessarily mean "at the same time", and
3) choose your favorite font and stick with it. It may also mean getting
more than the apparently wimpy 32MB of RAM that I have.

Oddly, after changing to a double-byte font, if I change the font to plain
ol' Arial (sometime before my quarter runs out and the game locks up ;-)
), the CJK chars remain CJK. They don't go back to being missing-char
boxes. They do seem to change shape a bit, though, but the font drop-down
menu above claims they are Arial, which is obviously wrong, so I don't
know what font they really are.

I was hoping to solve some of the mysteries surrounding Office97's new
unicode support, so I asked the talking paperclip (the new help agent)
what he could tell me about unicode support. He hadn't heard of unicode.
I went into the help index manually, but "uninstall" is all it could
suggest in answer to "unicode". Hmmm... Nowhere in the help system, or the
printed manual, that I can find, is unicode mentioned (although, of
course, I may have missed it.)

I tried asking the paperclip about Japanese. He recognized that and
cheerfully took me to a page showing how to install "multilingual support"
which, it said, means I can now display docs written in "any European
language." I eventually found one sentence that says you can display "Far
Eastern" languages if you add support for them, but it doesn't say what
that means or how to add such support. It's not a part of the standard
installation, nor is it included among the huge number of options when
doing a custom install. There doesn't appear to be anything in any readme
doc that I've found telling users how to set up CJK support. Because I
knew it was there somewhere, thanks to Lori and Murray on this mailing
list, I eventually found the files in the "Far East" directory, in the
"ValuePack" directory. No readme in the directory, though, just
executables with cryptic names like chtsupp.exe (presumably Chinese
Traditional Support--MS likes those 8.3 filenames.)  Not a feature anyone
is going to accidentally discover or easily figure out how to use if they
do. The installer .exe's want you to reboot your machine between each
language pack, too. (I thought I could ignore it and reboot once at the
end, but I was punished....) It would have been nicer if they had been
listed in English as options during a custom install.

I'll get in and crawl around with a hex editor and figure things out for
myself, since that's the sort of thing I do for a living, but this is
still an implementation more suited to CS majors than Japanese majors.

I'm extremely pleased to see the direction Microsoft is going with
multilingual support, but this has all the appearances of a valiant
behind-the-scenes effort by a few wonderful people trying to do the right
thing amongst a sea of developers and marketers with "more important"
things on their minds than meeting the needs of the eccentric multilingual
fringe. ;-)

Keep up the fight,
__Glen Perkins__

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Richwin just anounced that there will be a release of richwin for NT4.0.
Check out their homepage at http://www.richsight.com. By the way, richwin
for internet is so far the best for network Chinese.



At 04:58 PM 03/14/1997 +0930, Bob Cheung wrote:
>Before I switched to NT Workstation 4.0, I was able to view Chinese
>using Dragon Manager (same as Unionway) in Windows 95.  After I
>switched, it doesn't work anymore.  Does anyone know how I can view
>Chinese in NT 4.0?
>
>TIA...Bob Cheung
>
>
--------------------------------------
Taiping Wang
University of Pittsburgh
Cancer Institute & Dept of Psychology
mailto:Tawst14@pitt.edu
http://www.pitt.edu/~tawst14
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To read, install the language pack that comes with your Office97 CD.
To write, if you have to use a English version Win95, run anything you
can write Chinese then cut-and-paste. I hope in the future version the
development folks will add multi-language IME to Win95 and NT, which
will really make multi-country enterprise customers (especially
marketing people in many cases) happy.

Charles Ma
MCS Portland
WWW: http://www.microsoft.com/us/pacwest/
Internal: http://manishs_01/mcsportland/

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mingwei Li [SMTP:ming.li@UTORONTO.CA]
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 1997 7:48 AM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L
> Subject:      RichWin Cursor Dictionary and Microsoft Outlook
>
> It seems that RichWin cursor dictionary does work in the Microsoft =
> Outlook (97).  Does anobody have this difficulty?
>
> RichWin does not work in MS Word and Excel of Microsoft 97.  However,
> =
> Chinese message can be displayed in the MS Outlook, such as name, =
> address, etc.  Are there any solutions of processing Chinese
> information =
> in the English version of MS Office 97?
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Mingwei

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From: Georges KO <gko@mail.net.tw>
Organization: The Church of Emacsology, Taipei branch, Monastery #106
Subject:      Pan-Chinese Windows NT
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Status: R

Hi,

        I have looked at Microsoft's HK site about Pan-Chinese Windows
NT: it looks good...

        Has someone used it? If I get it, it's actually an English
Windows NT with Chinese capabilities: this sounds VERY interesting.

        I'd be glad to sell my Taiwanese Windows NT to get this
Pan-Chinese one.

        Has someone some addresses of HK mail-order companies?
Reviews? etc.

        Thanks!
--
 Georges KO [ gko@mail.net.tw http://mtc.ntnu.edu.tw:52021/~m52021 ]
            [                 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/6555 ]

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Status: RO

The following page contains instructions on how to install
these language packs under NT 3.51 .  It is meant to help
people use them for Netscape Navigator, but might also help
with IE.  I use them with Navigator 3.0 on Windows 95 and
they generally work well, except for the fact that the computer
occasionally hangs for a few seconds every so often while using
them.

http://home.netscape.com/people/ftang/msfont.html

Erik Peterson

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Reply-To: Jian Yang <jian@OLF.GOUV.QC.CA>
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From: Jian Yang <jian@OLF.GOUV.QC.CA>
Subject:      Question: why these conflicts?
To: CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
Status: R

Dear CCNetters,

I am curious to understand the following phenomena:

When using softwares like RichWin and UnionWay on NT plateform, under
applications such as Office97 with Fareast support installed, one can input
and display different languages in the same document or database record or
spreadsheet or whatever allows font switching (since it seems that
language-awareness is linked, at last analysis, to the choice of a relevant
font). But, while inputting western characters with a western font (for
Unicode or not) doesn't disturb the display of already input cjk characters,
the inverse is not true: as soon as one chooses a certain cjk encoding
method to input cjk stuffs, high bit western characters change to garbage;
when one returns to ANSI, everything will be restored correctly. My question
(which may certainly be of great ignorance) is: in a unicode supported
environment like NT, why is it still necessary to use language specific
encoding schemes which are traditionnally known to cause problems between
one byte and two bytes charsets? While there seems to be some script
switching technics that allow triggering appropriate unicode supported fonts
(as is the case with those in UnionWay) to protect different cjk languages
display in a same document, why isn't it yet possible to do the same thing
for western charsets (those of is0-8859-x, which are directly embedded in
unicode, just like many of cjk charsets)? Put it simply: when a platform
uses unicode as internal code, and since there are encoding schemes like
ucs-2 or utf-8, why couldn't one just switch bwteen different input methods
(and perhaps different fonts, as it is difficult to imagine a font covering
all characters coded in Unicode) to input and display different languages in
a document? What kind of difficulties stil remain there to prevent from
doing so? Could someone be so kind as to explane it to me (here or
privately, lengthly or shortly)?

Thanks in advance for any hint!


YANG Jian

jian@olf.gouv.qc.ca

From owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Dec 15 12:16:52 1997
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From: "Ning, Zhan Xuan" <zxning@SHENTAS.SHENZHEN.INGR.COM>
Subject:      reply for MS VC++ MFC and GB in unicode on NT
Comments: cc: zhang@tappet.ime.nrc.ca, yangm@ohsu.edu, charlma@MICROSOFT.COM,
          jhan@cisco.com
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Status: R

You have got your answer already. First install a chinese font in your
English nt, (the font for IE is OK) then select this font in your
program. And then using textout function to display this string.

NT and WIN95 can exist in one hard disk. But this hard disk must be FAT
format. Because NT boot entry is in MBT (main boot table), and Win95 is
in boot sector, both can work well. Follow is a workflow.

Begin:
If (hard disk is FAT format) then
        if (it is a new formated disk) then
                install dos
                install NT
                restart and select to boot ms-dos
                install win95
        else
                if (NT installed) then
                        install dos (Boot from a floopy, run setup.exe.
This will overwrite NT MBT and NT will be unaccessible until next step)
                        reinstall NT (Under DOS, run winnt.exe from NT
CDROM, wait a long time let files transfer to harddisk and modify MBT.
After restart, select MS-DOS, edit boot.ini to remove the restall
section and delete all file unnesscery.)
                        Boot to DOS and install Win95
                else
                if (WIN95 installed) then
                        Boot Win95 and select command prompt only
                        run a command file to lock the harddisk (I
forget the command name, maybe lock.com)
                        run winnt.exe to install NT
                endif

        endif

else
        format it as FAT
        go to Begin
endif

And you can install several NT (Chinese and English, 3.51 and 4.0) and
Several Win95 in one hard disk.

Regards,

Shawn Ningzhanxuan <zxning@ingr.com>

From owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Dec 15 15:06:55 1997
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From: Ji Zhang <zhang@TAPPET.IME.NRC.CA>
Subject:      Q: formula
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Status: R

Thanks to Jimmy <jhan@cisco.com>. I can display Chinese Chars on
NT 4.0 English env using MS Song font now.

One more question: Is there a formula to calculate
the unicode value of a GB2312 code. I know GB coding,
but no idea about unicode. I used to get unicode
by natice2ascii of JAVA. Now, I want to convert
inside my program.

Thanks for your attention.

Ji Zhang <zhang@tappet.ime.nrc.ca>

From owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Dec 15 15:51:20 1997
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From: Jimmy Han <jhan@CISCO.COM>
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Subject:      Re: Q: formula
Comments: To: Ji Zhang <zhang@TAPPET.IME.NRC.CA>
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Status: R

As I know, there is no formula. you can buy the unicode book or
download the mapping table from unicode.org, and write an awk
tool to put the table into your code.

--
Jimmy Han

Ji Zhang wrote:
>
> Thanks to Jimmy <jhan@cisco.com>. I can display Chinese Chars on
> NT 4.0 English env using MS Song font now.
>
> One more question: Is there a formula to calculate
> the unicode value of a GB2312 code. I know GB coding,
> but no idea about unicode. I used to get unicode
> by natice2ascii of JAVA. Now, I want to convert
> inside my program.
>
> Thanks for your attention.
>
> Ji Zhang <zhang@tappet.ime.nrc.ca>

From owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Tue Dec 16 13:06:53 1997
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From: Jimmy Han <jhan@CISCO.COM>
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Subject:      GB in unicode on NT
Comments: cc: Yan_Deng@justsystem.co.jp
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Status: R

For those of you want to know how to display Chinses chars in NT using
IE font, try this:

Create a mfc signle document application, name TextOut, and change
OnDraw to:

void CTextoutView::OnDraw(CDC* pDC)
{
        LOGFONT         lf;
        CFont           font, *oldfont;
        wchar_t         str[] = {0x8fd9, 0x662f};

        CTextoutDoc* pDoc = GetDocument();
        ASSERT_VALID(pDoc);

        lf.lfHeight = 16;
        lf.lfWidth = 16;
        lf.lfEscapement = 0;
        lf.lfOrientation = 0;
        lf.lfWeight = 400;
        lf.lfItalic = 0;
        lf.lfUnderline = 0;
        lf.lfStrikeOut = 0;
        lf.lfCharSet = GB2312_CHARSET;
        lf.lfOutPrecision = 0;
        lf.lfClipPrecision = 0;
        lf.lfQuality = 0;
        lf.lfPitchAndFamily = 0;
        strcpy(lf.lfFaceName, "MS Song");

        font.CreateFontIndirect(&lf);

        oldfont = pDC->SelectObject(&font);
        TextOutW(pDC->m_hDC, 20, 20, str, 2);
        pDC->SelectObject(oldfont);
}

--
Jimmy Han                       Tel: (408)527-3824
Software Engineer               Fax: (408)527-7099
Cisco Systems, Inc.             email: jhan@cisco.com

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From: Ji Zhang <zhang@TAPPET.IME.NRC.CA>
Subject:      Q: new-line (Re:GB in unicode on NT)
To: CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
Status: R

>        wchar_t         str[] = {0x8fd9, 0x662f};

Can str[] be a Chinese article ?
How to deal with new-lines or CRLFs ?
What are the values for CR LF in unicode ?
It seems I have to scan str[] one wchar by one wchar
and count the positions to draw an article.

Ji Zhang  <zhang@tappet.ime.nrc.ca>

From owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Tue Dec 16 19:57:33 1997
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From: Yan Deng <Yan_Deng@justsystem.co.jp>
Subject:      Re: MS VC++ MFC and GB in unicode on NT
To: CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
Status: R

Many thanks to Jimmy Han <jhan@cisco.com> and Ji Zhang
<zhang@tappet.ime.nrc.ca>.
I can display Chinese Chars on NT 4.0 Japanese env using Simsun.ttf
font.
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^

>>void CTextoutView::OnDraw(CDC* pDC)
>>{
>>        LOGFONT         lf;
>>       CFont           font, *oldfont;
>>        wchar_t         str[] = {0x8fd9, 0x662f};
>>
>>        CTextoutDoc* pDoc = GetDocument();
>>        ASSERT_VALID(pDoc);

>>        lf.lfHeight = 16;
>>        lf.lfWidth = 16;
>>        lf.lfEscapement = 0;
>>        lf.lfOrientation = 0;
>>        lf.lfWeight = 400;
>>        lf.lfItalic = 0;
>>        lf.lfUnderline = 0;
>>        lf.lfStrikeOut = 0;
>>        lf.lfCharSet = GB2312_CHARSET;
>>        lf.lfOutPrecision = 0;
>>        lf.lfClipPrecision = 0;
>>        lf.lfQuality = 0;
>>        lf.lfPitchAndFamily = 0;
>>        strcpy(lf.lfFaceName, "MS Song");

          strcpy(lf.lfFaceName, "Simsun");
                                 ^^^^^^

>>        font.CreateFontIndirect(&lf);

>>        oldfont = pDC->SelectObject(&font);
>>        TextOutW(pDC->m_hDC, 20, 20, str, 2);
>>       pDC->SelectObject(oldfont);
}


--
  Yan Deng
  mailto:Yan_Deng@justsystem.co.jp
  http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7278/index.htm
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