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From: Hongguang Zhou <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 18:52:59 -0400 (EDT)

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 93 16:23:54 -0400
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/Would uyou please give me a clue of what you are campaign for?
/Thanks and regards.
/Zhou Hongguang

Here you are, our second call for signatures. For our day one, we have
collected 150+ e-mails containing at least 300 signatures in 24 hours.

Our goal is to push lads into world quota, thus to speed up the
process of lads PR applications, and save China's quota for new
comer students and general Chinese Americans.

Mi Mi

===============enclosure================================

Dear Lads-netters:

Since most of lads have filed their application forms, fewer and fewer postings
are seen on this net. While most lads are resuming their normal routine lives,
the lads problem is still far from being solved. We still have the following:

	(1) Visa quota allocation.
	(2) DED dependents
	(3) Voluntary departure program.
	(4) People who entered without inspection.

Although aforementioned problems are far more complicated than the information
sharing problems, and the lads-net Committee is a volunteer group which has
limited resources and manpower, the lads-net Committee, however, is resolved to
serve the whole lads community on this matter.

The 5th IFCSS is mainly composed of new comer students. Inevitably, this
landslide change brings policy changes. As post-CSPA era begins, IFCSS strives
to serve the new comers community, which had been paid little attention by
previous IFCSS terms. By no way, we are assured, the early comers will be
forgotten. Instead, the 5th IFCSS vows to serve the CSS community as a whole.
Since new comers are not protected by CSPA, Certainly they need more attention
and help from IFCSS.

We have noticed that a newly founded new comers group, Late Comer Working
Committee, or New Comer's Organization (NCO), has actively participated in
the current CSPA and IFCSS affair. By contacting the Chairman of NCO, and
friendly communication with his staff, we have established a very friendly
relationship with them, and possible collaboration in the future.

The main conflict, however, do exist. As lads are still subject to
China quota, the estimated 8000 lads of CSS community will jam China's
EB3 and FB2 categories for years. While most new comer students are going
to use these two categories, the serious backlog does hinder their efforts
to obtain the permanent residency. As for most lads, the prospective
long waiting period is not so happy to accept. Besides, there are still
other problems left unsolved which further complicate the plight of both
new comer students an lads.

New development to implement CSPA:

Illegally entered Chinese may be able to apply under CSPA:
==================begin=====================================
We called Ms Rita Boie, of INS, this morning. Here is what we got from her.

  (1) A LAD will not be allowed to use EP2 unless the principal has
      filed under EP2.   All other Lads will file application under EP3,
      solely from China's quota, not from quota allocated worldwide.
      EP3 has become current this month. If EP3 quota are not enough
      this year, some Lads will wait to use EP3 quota next year,
      and on and on.

  (2) An illegally-entered Chinese national can file under CSPA IF
      he came before 4/11/90 and has granted an advance parole and came
      back to US with the advance parole.

                                                 LC Working Committee
                                                 August 17, 1993
=================end====================================================

The impact of this policy change, will add substantially to the pool
of existing CSS-lads with unspecified number of IIer-lads. This group
of lads will be queued ahead of most new comer students.

As Mi Mi, a member of lads-net Committee, wrote to Ms. Wang Jing, Chair
of Infor & Survey Committee of IFCSS Council:
================= begin====================================================
Ms. Wang Jing

Hi. I, Mi Mi, from lads-net fully support your proposal on NCO.
As matter of fact, I had seen a lot of confusion and fighting on the net
when LCnet was connected with Yeh Shannon. As we lads-net saw the IFCSS
lost its steam to push CSPA implementation further, all of us lads were
somewhat disappointed. When we learnt that Liu Chengyan was invited to
attend IFCSS Teleconference last week, we decided to take a step forward.
Needless to say, all of us lads-netters and committee members appreciate
the tremendous efforts to achieve CSPA and its implementation. Whatever
decided by IFCSS for post-CSPA policy change is understandable. We as
beneficiaries of past IFCSS efforts can not ask more, otherwise we are
too greedy and selfish. To our LC brothers and sisters, we the lads
committee firmly believe, that communication and cooperation, mutual
understanding and solidarity are what we want. After one week
communication, we get very positive response from our LCnet committee.

As matter of fact, many ECers are paying their attention to somewhere
else. While lads are located in China's quota, and will be possibly
jamming  China's quota for many years to come, their principals are
not so much concerned about the waiting period. As one of my friends
pointed out, his wife can wait 6 year until her H-1 visa expires. During
that time, he probably gets citizenship, and in no way he should panic.
Some minor children can wait even longer. My daughter is 9. My only
concern is she gets her GC when she is ready for college. That is
almost ten years later. Of course some elder children are closer to
college and they are worried. But the population is quite small. So the
most urgent problem is for LCs, not for lads.

As matter of fact, passing another CSPA is almost impossible. What we
can do is to make room for LC by removing lads from China quota.
As the new interpretation made clear by Madam Rita Boie, IIers with
Advanced Parole can apply under CSPA. Further, the possibility of
allowing IIers with only Work Permits, even without any thing may be
allowed to apply also, still exists. With most CSS lads have filed already,
their lads inevitably have gotten more favorable priority dates
then anyone else, i.e., they are queued much ahead of the others.
So the policy change does not effect CSS lads too much, unless for
someone who is still in China. But the impact on the LC is imminent.
Those IIer lads will compete with LC, worse, be queued ahead of them.
When the spirit of CSPA is humanitarian and protection, it will be
ridiculous and self-destructive for IFCSS to oppose the inclusion
of these IIers. The best and only strategy for IFCSS, is to work
toward world quota.

I think, this point, as a major task aimed at helping our LC
brothers and sisters, should be included in your resolution.

Sincerely yours,

Mi Mi

Member of
Lads-net Committee
======================= end ========================

As the only active entity which is still working on CSPA,
we have been tried to communicate with Dr. Zhao and his NCCA.

As Li Y-H, member of lads-net Committee wrote:

======================= begin =====================================
To:		Dr. Haiching Zhao and National Council on Chinese Affair

From:		Lads Network Committee

Date:		August 18, 1993

Subject:	Information Exchange And Collaboration

Dear Dr. Zhao Haiching and National Council on Chinese Affair:

	First, we would like to thank you for your tireless efforts
in achieving the CSPA and various issue concerning CSS community,
and providing valuable information to our late-arriving-
dependents (LAD) network members.

	Our network, which was established on July 26, is expanding
very fast. Now, we have over 1000 members and 10 volunteer
committee members nation wide.

	In the past days, we did a great job in providing
information exchange through the network and help late-arriving-
dependents file application for PR. Up to now, most of the late-
arriving-dependents have successfully filed their application and
we received fewer and fewer questions about filing I-485 or I-824
forms from our netters.

	The current agenda of our network is to push late-arriving-
dependents into the world quota. In order to achieve our goals,
in addition to talking to IFCSS, early-comers and late-comers, we
want to have best collaboration with you and your council
members.

	In our estimation, there are about 6000 late-arriving-
dependents. If we let them stay in China quota, only these late-
arriving-dependents will make the backlog of China EB-3 at least
two years longer.

	From World Daily reports and confirmed by Ms Rita Boie
herself, "An illegally-entered Chinese national can file under
CSPA if he came before  April 11, 1990 and has granted an advance
parole back to US". If it is true, more and more late-arriving-
dependents will be created.

	Based on the humanitarian reasons implanted in the E.O.12711
and CSPA, there is still possibility that some illegally-entered
Chinese nationals with Work Permit, or even without any benefits
they have claimed from E.O. 12711 will be allowed to apply under
CSPA. And there might be fraud claims made by those who came
after April 11, 1990. While we can not prevent those added CSPA
applications, their newly created late-arriving-dependents surely
are causing panic among our late-comers community, and bitter
confrontation between late-arriving-dependents and late-comers.
If that should happen, that will be a great tragedy to CSS
community. As up to now, after sincerely consultations and
discussions, we have established regular and friendly
relationship with the late-comers network committee. We believe
confrontation only make enemies but friends. We need friends but
enemies. Based on this mutual believe, we are well received by
the late-comers network committee.

	In order to benefit our whole Chinese community, especially
the late-comers, we believe that it is extremely urgent for us to
work together and solve this late-arriving-dependents problem.
The best solution is to push the late-arriving-dependents into
world quota.

	We need to communicate to each other and seek different
strategies to lobby this issue. We need leadership and
coordination to conduct the concert.

	We believe that you, Dr. Zhao,  as a tireless democratic
fighter and reputed leader of IFCSS and NCCA, have the
credibility and reputation to take the lead. If you need any help
from this network or you want to post any information to this
network, please mail to:

 	[email-masked]

Sincerely Yours,

Lads-net Committee
================= end ============================================

Dear netters, as to strive our goals, mainly to push lads into the
world-quota, we need your support. As number does matter, we also need
help from our new comer students community. As the new move will benefit
both groups, we shall work together. Hope you will bring more new comer
students to this common goal.

United, we can make a differnce!

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee

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== The following are packed information on         ==
== Special Report  infor from  LAD-network         ==
== ADDRESS correspondences to the ORIGINAL SENDER  ==
== To sign on/off, mail to "[email-masked]"    ==
== To post,        mail to "[email-masked]" ==
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== lads-net committee is a group of volunteers     ==
== who have lads just like you. If you have any    ==
== suggestions, criticisms, comments and concerns, ==
== please let us know. If you want to join us to   ==
== serve the lads-community, you are highly        ==
== encouraged to do so. Mi Mi.                     ==
=====================================================

We have received 110 e-mail signatures at 10:00am, CDT. Many
of them contains more than one signature. It is estimated at
least 160 signatures are receive in our day one. We will
post our revisions late this week. Please send in your
signatures and comments. Thank you.

Hi, everyone. We need your help, we need all the parties to
participate, including new comer students. From the past
experience, we all know the number is very important in this
land. Particularly, we need YOUR SIGNATURES, and your
support. Please pass the draft petition letters around and
collect as many signatures as you can.

Our goal is very simple.
1) Push lads into the world-wide-quota:
        cut the waiting period or lads,
        save the China quota for new comer students;
2) Solve the other lads problem such as DED, 90-day, etc.

With limited resources and manpower, we are trying our best
to help the whole community. Please help us to collect
signatures, and help yourselves!

Mi Mi

Only a Member of

Lads-net Committee

Please try to find as many people as you can, early comers,
late comers, other China nationals, your American friends,
to sign the letter. We only need you to give us the
following information in electronical form, via e-mail, to

[email-masked]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The desired format is:
Mr./Ms/Miss:Name,Address,City,State,ZipCode,Tel#
        Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms:Name(situation, e.g. DED,
90-day, etc., if applicable)
        Co-signed Child, Mr/Miss:Name(situation, e.g. DED,
90-day, etc.,if applicable)

Thank you very much!

                                        LADs Network Members
                                        c/o  ********
                                        *******************

Madam Rita A. Boie
Senior Immigration Examiner
Adjudication Branch
Immigration & Naturalization Services
425 I Street NW, room 5307
Washington, DC 20536

Dear Madam Rita A. Boie,

        We, Late-Arriving Dependents (LADs) and CSPA principals
with LADs, who signed their names and addresses here, would
like to call your attention to the following two big
problems involved in subjecting LADs to the China quota.

(1) According to the survey made by IFCSS HQ, there are
approximately 10000 eligible LADs in the US who may file
their applications under EB-3 and FB-2 during this August
and September. Since the annual China quota in EB-3 or FB-2
is about 2000, only these LADs will make the backlog of
China's at least five years longer. This means that no China
nationals can file application for adjustment of status in
the next five years. So those who  are eligible to adjust
their status under EB-3 or FB-2 in the normal situation will
have to wait four more years to file their applications. To
further complicate this situation is the reported INS
decision to include all the illegally entered China
nationals who came before April 11, 1990, and have obtained
an advance parole to re-enter US to apply under CSPA. While
this new decision reflects the spirit of humanitarian and
protection that are implanted in the then President's
Executive Order 12711, those added applicants with their
LADs are facing more difficulties than anyone  else. Not
only those LADs whose principals entered illegally will be
queued after those whose principals entered legally, that
means even  longer waiting period, but also the unspecified
number of LADs will jam the normal China EB-3 and FB-2
categories for even more years. As Americans cherish their
traditional family values and humanity, those traditional
values are deeply rooted in the Chinese culture and every
Chinese family. The anticipated long separation of those
families resulted from visa quota allocation problem will
surely bring sadness and suffering to those families, and
thus contradict the humanitarian spirit written both in the
E.O.12711 and CSPA.

(2) For dependents remaining in China, the situation is even
more bleak.  These individuals would be required to wait in
China until visa numbers are available that could
potentially separate families for over five years. The
chances of obtaining a non immigrant visa to enter the US.
are severely hampered for the dependents of a spouse or
parent in the US.  In addition, many of the dependents, both
in the US. and in China, who are now considered children,
will reach the age of 21 prior to visa availability.  This
would disqualify them for visa issuance.

Before more efficient solutions are found, we believe that
two solutions are practical now.

(1) A blanket family unity program should be established to
protect all late-arriving dependents.  This program should
mirror the benefits of E.O. 12711 to (1) provide employment
authorization for the duration of the dependents' wait; (2)
provide liberal advance parole; (3) deem the individual to
maintain his/her non immigrant status for adjustment
purposes; and (4) allow children under twenty-one on the
date of the CSPA principal's approval to be eligible for
adjustment even if they are over twenty-one at the date of
adjustment.  This family unity program would resolve the
problems involved with the case by case voluntary departure
program.

(2) Re-allocate the LADs into world quota. The CSPA
principals can be allocated into the world-wide 46,000 quota
leftovers for fiscal year 1993 and it is reasonable to
estimate that there are still world-wide quota leftover next
years. Instead of let the LADs blocking the doors to China
regular EB-3 or EP-2 visas, we free these people into the
world quota.

    Thank you for your attention.  We are waiting for your
kind consideration.

Signed by LADs Network members, and co-signed by all the
concerned and sympathetic China nationals

Their names and address are in the following attached pages.