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The phone bill was over $1,000 just in 3 month period. It is really too much.
It means that he called long distance about 4-5 hours every day. I think that
we should review the bill before reimbursement. Yungui, could you sent the 
copies of phone bill to each council member? I also like to know how much
we overspent of the council budget, could Yungui or Chen Dong report it in
the e-mail meeting? 

Ren Songlin
a Council member of IFCSS


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San Jose	no
Madison		no
Chapell Hill	yes

Wang Yu, 
Council SouthWest

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Chapel Hill of NC, Yes.

Madison,           No.

Hayward of CA,     No.


By the way, I hope more council members can think over the task force for
6da. I recommand that the task force consists of four or five people, one
or two from Council, one from SVC, one from headquarter and one from the
task force of 5da ( in order to bring experience of organizing conference
into the new team ). I highly recommand that Mr. Ren Songling joins the
task force.


Liang Er
Council Member from NW



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Dear friends,

As I count, the following persons haven't shown up for on going e-mail
meeting,

Fan Hongran (Southeast)
Zhang Li (Southwest)
Xu Datong (Pacific)
Dong Liqun (Northwest, resigned)
Shen Tong (Pacific, ?)
Shao Qing (Mid-Atalantic)

Zhang Feng (Midwest, or has he cast his vote?)
Qi Bin (East)

Please IFCSS veterans, if you can catch them ask them participate council's
on going e-mail meeting!


Chengyan

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From: Songlin Ren <songlin@buphy.bu.edu>
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The vote for 6da site

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Dear Chair and Council Members:

Considering cost of transportation and boarding, IFCSS congress history
and CCS population of schools, I vote University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
for 6da site of IFCSS.

Ren, Songlin
Council Member of IFCSS 


==================================================================
	University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill

1. Housing

    On-campus housing will be available during the dates of July 18-July 
30,1994. 
    Housing rates: $11.00 per person/double occupancy per night without 
                   linen rental.
                   $13.00 per person/double occupancy per night with 
                   linen rental.

2. Dining

    The daily rate per person is about 5 dollars.(The manager of one 
restaurant is a friend of Liu Jian. He can offer a pretty good price.) 
Delivery will be no problem. 

3. Transportation

    Raleigh-Durham International Airport is about 15-20 miles from Chapel 
Hill. Most of the big airlines such as American, USAir, UA, Delta, NW, 
etc, operate in RDU. (Raleigh was ranked No.1 best city for business by 
Fortune magazine last year. The Triangle area hosts hundreds of foreign 
companies. The transportation is perfect in this area.) 

4. Volunteer

    We'll have 25-30 volunteers during the meeting.      

5. Meeting Place

    We can use a big classroom for free whenever there is no class(That's 
the place we played movies or video tapes to CSS.) 
 
The above are the basic information. If you need further information, 
please let me know.  

Wang Ji Ming
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
919-914-1291

====================================================

          Proposal for IFCSS Sixth Congress
                         by
           University of Wisconsin-Madison


Time:     The IFCSS 6th Congress will be held between July 21,                  
          (thursday) - July 24, (sunday)

Lodge:    There will be two person/room and $10.50/person/night.
          Delegates will be staying in center of of school where 
          is about 5 minutes walk from the conference room.

Meal:     At school cafeteria,the breakfast cost $4.50
          the lunch cost $ 5.00 and th dinner cost $10.00
          Note: For the dinner, local chinese restaurent will         
          take care for less than $5.00/person)

Conference:    Rm 3650, Humanity Building which can hold
               500 people in it. Movie can be showed in it.

Volunteer:     There are about 10-30 people helping the
               conference depend on the need.

Airport:  There is a international airport in Madison.
          Also, delegates can fly to Milwaukee, WI. It is about
          one hour drive from Wilwaukee to Madison.


==================================================================

        Application for Hosting 6th IFCSS Congress at San Francisco
                        Bay Area

Hosts:
        University of San Francisco
        San Francisco State University
        City College of San Francisco
        San Jose State University
        City College of San Jose
        California State University, Hayward
        University of California at Berkeley

Time:
        July 1 - July 4,
        Friday  - Monday, long weekends of Independt Day

Transportation:

        There are three major international airport in S.F. Bay Area.
in less than 50 miles radius.

        San Francisco International Airport :
                ---     Major international and national air hub.
                ---     25 minutes to hosting campus.
                ---     Easy freeway access.

        Oakland International Airport :
                ---     Major regional airport hub for West Coast region
                ---     15 minutes to hosting campus
                ---     Easy freeway and public access - BART (Bay Are
                        Rapid Tranport, the subway system in Bay Area)

        San Jose International Airport :
                ---     One of the busiest airport on West Coast region
                        located at Silicon Valley
                ---     35 - 40 minutes to hosting campus
                ---     Easy freeway access

Room :
        $15.25/person one day. Every apartment has two bedrooms, living room,
        kitchen, and private bothroom.

Meal :
        $15/person day for the all delicious CHINESE FOODS
        or $15.75/person day for buffet style meals provided by housing
        office.

Dong,

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Chen Dong,

Please count how may Council members have reported to the
email conference. We want to make sure we have enough quorum
for the conference before we cast any vote.

I call on my colleagues to pay attention to the current
email conference. Please report to it if you haven't.
Please voice your ideas about the topics in our agenda.


Yungui Ding

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Songling and Chen Dong,

I appreciate your concern over the telephone bill reimbursement request
I sent to HQ. I view my role in this procedure as record keeping,
as I said in the DC Council meeting. I could only check wether
the requested item is related to IFCSS Council business ad is to
proper budget. I think it is the IFCSS treasurer's duty to check
it against other relevant financial regulations of IFCSS and/laws.

As for Hongguang's phone bill reimbursement, I don't see anything
wrong. How did I review it? I looked at the phone bills to see whether
it is under Hongguang's name and whether the claimed called numbers
are reasonable. Actually Hongguang has done a good job in filing
the reimbursement: he did it with the formal reimbursement form
from the HQ.

I guess the question is on the amount. I would like to voice my thoughts.
Yes, it is a big number. So? Should we criticize him or praise him?
I would like to praise him: he spent so much time on phone for the 
IFCSS business. Even the phone bills would be reimbursed, his time
on it is still a huge value that he contributed to IFCSS.

The question is: do we have limit to the amount that certain Council member
could be reimbursed? No. Shall we have some trust to our colleagus 
workers in their judgement in using their phone?
It is necessary to remind ourselves that we always need to save 
money for IFCSS. But, I don't see any problem in the reimbursement
request.

When it comes to money, it becomes sensitive. Yes, we all should be
cautious in handling it. But, when you work for IFCSS, you get 
bills for it, I don't know what you should do. If you don't ask
reimbursement, it's you high value that we should amdire, but you
can't require all others to do the same as you.

However, I think business is business. In such case, I would get my
reimbursement first. Then if I want show more support to the organization
I work for, I write a check to it as a donation. If you want to show
your high moral value, you can write the check as big as you like,
as frequently as you like.


Yungui Ding

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I forgot to answer your request about the phone bills.
No, I won't give you or any other Council members a copy.
1. There are about 30 pages. I don't have time make 16 copies
   of it.
2. I am not sure it is approriate to issue it to any others.
   Phone bills could include private information.

   At least in Iowa, there is such law that the telephone bills of
   senators and representatives should NOT be disclosed.
   I am not saying that this applies to us, but I definitely
   don't want give out the telephone bills of others, unless
   I am authorized by the ones themselves. Sorry, for that.


Yungui Ding

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Sure, business is business.
First does council has budget ? 
Do we need any control it ?
Does working for IFCSS put no restriction on us at all ?
Do we, as honorable council member, have any self control ?
As most of us have access to mail, we should use more of it.

I am against over spending all the time. Not just because we don't want
waste, but most importantly (at least to me), it shows our careness.
I know there were a lot of things Hongguang had to deal. But
I don't think I can justify that huge bill. Maybe Hongguang has
his reason. So let's hear from him and review it to justify the whole
thing.


Dong Chen

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>2. I am not sure it is approriate to issue it to any others.
>   Phone bills could include private information.

Then, how do we apply balance and check here ?

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> First does council has budget ? 
Yes!

>Do we need any control it ?

Yes! But tell me how. I am not making rule now, I am willing to
enforce any.

> Does working for IFCSS put no restriction on us at all ?
Too general a question. 

> Do we, as honorable council member, have any self control ?
Depends on each one's own value/trait/...

> As most of us have access to mail, we should use more of it.
Yes.

> I am against over spending all the time. Not just because we don't want
> waste, but most importantly (at least to me), it shows our careness.
> I know there were a lot of things Hongguang had to deal. But
> I don't think I can justify that huge bill. Maybe Hongguang has
> his reason. So let's hear from him and review it to justify the whole
> thing.


> Dong Chen

Yungui Ding

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>>2. I am not sure it is approriate to issue it to any others.
>>   Phone bills could include private information.

>Then, how do we apply balance and check here ?

Again, I don't know. 

In my part, as I have just said, I don't see any rule to be
against the reimbursement. What you said could all be valid concerns.
What should we do with these telephone bills? 

Besides, although this subject is important, I would like to
remind my colleagues that there is an email conference going on.
And there many important, urgent issues pending for your 
consideration. 


Yungui Ding

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To my colleages in the IFCSS Council:

	 If all of us check all the affairs, financial and others within 
the IFCSS Council but also within the HQ, it would be very good for the 
future of the IFCSS. Don't you think so, my colleagues at the Council? 

	Not only check the cost, but also the benefit and outcome. At another 
hand, not only check our peers, but also check ourselves. Ask yourself how 
much work you have done rather than talking aloundly and doing 
nothing?

	Thanks.

Hongguang

> Then, how do we apply balance and check here ?

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Songlin:

	Would you please propose the post of the phone bills of the officers at 
the HQ on the net? Their travel expenses and other expendure?

	I don't have any idea at all about the the balance of the HQ 
accounts. No financial reports from the HQ for the 2nd quarter and 3rd 
quarter of the 5th term HQ have been provided to the Financial Committee 
to review, as supposed be under the Financial Regulations. 

	I would be happy to see not only the Council expendenture subject to 
the review but also the HQ running expendenture. And that's we are here 
at the Council. I think you would be happy to see that happening too, 
wouldn't you?

	Thanks and regards,

Hongguang

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Madison.

hongguang

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Can anybody tell me if we've got enough quorum for the e-mail meeting?

Wang Jing

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Let's count,
    Ding Yungui
    Chen Dong
    Liu Cheng,
    Wang Yu,
    Wang Jin,
    Ren Songlin,
    Lian Er
Did I miss anyone?


Yungui

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me.

Hongguang

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Dear Mr Hongguang Zhou and all of the Council members:

Yes, Hongguang! I am also very concerned with the HQ financial situation.
I am interested in reviewing the HQ financial report also. The Council
should work with HQ, and ask them send the report to council as soon as
they can. If possible, I will be very happy to join you work for the 
financial affairs of IFCSS. But, for the same reason, we also need to review
our council's expenses, control council budget. We should save any penny if
it can be saved. BTW, we do NOT have any reason to use more money, because
others have spent more IFCSS' money. As a council financial committee and IT
member, you should know more financial management than me. 

I am not council financial committee member. But at this time I'd like 
officially asking both Council and HQ report the financial situation to
the Council. I think I have the right, since I am elected as a council
member by our CCS. 

Ren, Songlin
Council member of IFCSS from NE

