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>From zx11@cornell.edu  Fri Apr 22 17:27:33 1994
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Hi, Chendong:
   I forwarded you a mail for your reference.
   You are welcome if you 'd like to forward the relevant mail, 
  Regards!                              ZX
--------------------- 

I forgot to answer your request about the phone bills.
No, I won't give you or any other Council members a copy.
1. There are about 30 pages. I don't have time make 16 copies
   of it.
2. I am not sure it is approriate to issue it to any others.
   Phone bills could include private information.

   At least in Iowa, there is such law that the telephone bills of
   senators and representatives should NOT be disclosed.
   I am not saying that this applies to us, but I definitely
   don't want give out the telephone bills of others, unless
   I am authorized by the ones themselves. Sorry, for that.


Yungui Ding
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>From <Jiang Ling>Jiangling@mailbox.syr.edu


              On the Line of Another Financial Fire


   It's unbelievable Hongguang's phone bill is so huge! The more surprising
thing is that senior council member Ding Yungui asserted he would rather 
praise him. It seems to me there appears another financial debates and
fightings. 

   Several points should be considered:
   1. A person's contribution should be separated from spending. You can 
parise somone for his contribution, but you can't simply praise someone 
for the sake of his huge over-spending, which is very superficial, biased
and misleading. It is well know that there is no simple and straight 
correlation between how much you spend on and how much you contribute to.
Otherwise, how do ordinary people understand the word, "abuse", means.

   2. A budget has been set for council's expenditure, of which every
council members should be aware. If one has some basic sense of responsi-
bility, one should know clearly to what extent one can spend in terms of 
serving the IFCSS. It is nonsense to say there is no limit for council 
member's spending, only when one is naive, or thinking one way around.

   3. No one has claimed the phone bills are not valid SO FAR. However, 
when one swore to serve the IFCSS, a non-profit organization of students
and scholars, he must have borne relevant responsibilities to maintain
the organization healthier and stronger. Over-expending without clear
and rational explanation obviously contradicts this basic principle, which
only indicates one's overwhelming ignorance of what obligation he is 
bearing on.

   4. Mr. Zhou Hongguang is the most respected gentleman while he served
as a chair of FC to audit the financial status of the HQ, which expressed
an unbeatable capacity in terms of diligence, carefulness, responsi-
bility, and vision, towards the growth of IFCSS. Now, however, it seems 
that he is on the line of fire! I wonder how he felt when he counted the
hunderds of dollars of phone bill each time in past several month? Did he 
sense a little bit of impropriety in this regard, or still felt quite 
glorious and conceited while facing some friends' applaud without any
explanation to his dear council colleagues?  Of course only can he clearly
know what this huge phone bill means, in terms of serving the IFCSS, 
no matter how, for or against...





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Dear Chair and Council members,
	Please accept these two motions.

[note] we need vote twice, one for the acceptance of the motions to the
	meeting, then a second vote for Yeah/No/Abstain to the motion.
	I think these two bring ergent issues to the council.
	We don't have much time left before 6da, so we need to
	set up the 6da task force as soon as possible.
	We only have one tele-conference left. To better prepare the
	last teleconference, the second resolution is necessary.
	Also, please bring up issues you think we need todiscuss and finish
	in the next teleconference.

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Resolution:     Setting up the 6da Task Force
                        by Dong Chen
        Be it resolved ,
        The 5th Council of IFCSS authorize the 6 members team of IFCSS
        6th congress preparation task force. The team consists the
        following, 
                one from HQ,
                two from Council,
                one from SVC,
                one from local site,
                one from last term preparation task force.
        Each member shall be appointed by the corresponding group.

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Resolution:     Report of the IFCSS finance regulation	[revised]
                        by Dong Chen

        The finance inspection storm of IFCSS has calmed down.
        However, no conclusion by the council has been reach yet. 
        Further, in the last council meeting, a special task force of
        Council was set up for improving the current IFCSS finance 
        regulation. (I haven't heard much news from this work yet.)

        Be it resolved,

        1. The council send a formal reminder to the HQ, Council Finance 
        Committee, Financial Task Force, that request them each to give 
        a formal report of the finance condition and new draft finance
        regulation of IFCSS to the Council in the next Council tele-conference.         2. The communication between those mentioned above should be kept open
        and post to council email network periodically, so that any further 
        dispute can be better evaluated and solved.
        3. The finance report should include at least,
           a. Current asset of IFCSS,
           b. The income and spending of this term,
	      spending include:
		- The travel spendings of HQ staff
		- Phone bill reimbursements for each individual staff
		- Other reimbursement
		- All HQ staff benifits
		- Expenditure of Council and SVC
		- Expenditure of each Working Committees
           c. Estimate fund needed for on going projects before 6da,
           d. Estimate fund needed for projects that will across to
              next term,
           e. Estimate spending for the rest of this term and
              asset will be left for next term,
        Also, a special report should be made about the criteria for the
        reimburesments.

Dong Chen
Council member

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>From yuhe@wave.gcn.uoknor.edu Wed Apr 27 17:54:58 1994
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Dear IFCSS President, Council, and Supervision Committee:

We, the undersigned Chinese students and scholars, IFCSS donors,
contributors, supportors, and activists, are writing you to request the
IFCSS operation related financial information. We believe that public
scrutiny by the constituents is indispensible for the healthy operation
and development of IFCSS. We sincerely hope that this request will
facilitate the on-going processing of the professionalization of IFCSS's
financial management.

Specifically we ask for the following information from the beginning
of the 5th term to the day the information revealed.

1. HQ

   A. The travel spendings of HQ staff.

   B. Phone bill reimbursements for each individual staff.

   C. All HQ staff benifits other than salary, for examples, medical
      insurance, housing subsidy, etc..

   D. Other perks if there is any.

2. Council

   A. Council members' phone bill reimbursements;

   B. Council members' travel spending;

   C. Other Council's expenditure and perks if there is any.

3. SVC

   The same as the Council.
 
4. Other operational expenditure

5. The amount of donated money for last year's midwest flood
   relieve, how much of it had been transferred to the related
   agencies, and the remaining amount that is still in the
   IFCSS acount.

Please send the requested information to the undersigned persons. If the
information is not available through computer email, please contact with
Mr. Yuhe Liu for a mailing list. All the cost should be paid by us.

Thank you for your attention. We are looking forward to hearing from you
as early as possible.


Sincerely,

Signed:

Name               Email address                     Telephone number

Chen, Dong         dong@ifcss.org
Chen, Shizhong     chen@molly.sdsc.edu
Ding, Yungui       DING@vaxld.ameslab.gov
Lai, Anzhi         LAI@CEBAF.GOV
Li, Jinghong       3dsys!jli@uunet.UU.NET
Liu, Cheng         liuc@wadsworth.ph.albany.edu
Liu, Chengyan      Rliuc@simon.wustl.edu
Liu, Zhendong      liu@cae.wisc.edu
Liu, Yuhe          yuhe@tornado.gcn.uoknor.edu       (405) 325-3503 (Day)
Lu, Chengdong      CLU@BIOMED.MED.YALE.EDU
Luo, Ning          NLUO@msvax.mssm.edu
Ren, Songlin       songlin@buphy.bu.edu
Wang, Jing (ECHO)  ejwang@titan.ucs.umass.edu
Zhang, Qingsong    qsz2u@faraday.clas.virginia.edu


From council-l@ifcss.org Wed Apr 27 19:40:09 1994
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I second Chen Dong's resolution of opening fincial operation.

Wang Jing (signed)
Council member, NE

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Chen Dong,

Your second resolution is good. I am not sure whether the first
is really necessary. The Council in the past has worked for
the preparation of the Copngress (actually it is the Council's
responsibility to do so). And we can follow the procedure.
I don't see the need to make things more complicated.

The problem is that, from the current situation, we have seen
that it is not easy for the email conference to arrive at a 
decision. For your energency resolutions, we need to adopt it
first and then make a decision on them both by vote.
I don't know how effecient we can do it.

I hope you can reconsider your resolutions. Since the teleconference
is coming, this email conference can't be going on for long.
We really want to act quickly. It may be better that we can
let the volunteers from the Council start to work right away,
and leave the vote to the teleconference where it will be much
more efficient.

Yungui Ding

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> You don't second my resolution for 6da task force ? (just kidding :-)

	Well, I'd like to.  But I didn't get to read it yet.  Get your 
Ge1 Mer (Songlin's words) Ren Songlin!  He must have more time than we 
students.

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Dong,

I called you this morning, and left a message.
I was thinking to nominate you and Liu Cheng to form the
Council's part of the taskforce and start to work right away.
And leave the vote thing to the teleconference.

Now for your resolution, it will take a long time to pass, and
after that we will still need time to get the team formed.
That will waste a lot of time.

Please reconsider it and I would like to call the email conference
ajourned soon. It just doesn't work well.

I would like to put Songlin and Hongguang to work more hard
for the financial taskforce and get some thing (overdue) done
quickly.

Please call me if you have betterideas.


Yungui

PS   It is really frustrating to see the Council like this.
     Let's get it move quickly.



