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From: Hongguang Zhou <labhgz@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>
Subject: Suggest the working/roundtable meeting be postponed (fwd)
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	I don't know what has happened to this msg sent two times to
council-l.

Hongguang

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>From: Hongguang Zhou <labhgz@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>
To: ifcss <council-l@ifcss.org>
Subject: Suggest the working/roundtable meeting be postponed

Dear Colleages:

Since the weekend of Feb. 5 and 6 is the new year's eve weekend of the Srping
Festival, there will be lots of celebrations happening such as
get-togeters, party, dinner, and dancing party then here at Emory
University. Besides, the Chinese Embassdor to USA Mr. Li Dou-yu will be in
Atlanta around that weekend, I'll be actively interacting with him and his
attachee in respects of IFCSS role and the CCS community issues.

Also around that weekend, I will be in charge of a Chinese Film Review
shown on the campus, together with the local US-China Peoples' Friendship
Assocation. 

Last but not the least, according to the Chinese tradition, the Spring
Festiaval time is not good to travel out of door. So I think we should stay at
home to celebrate the Chinese New Year with our fellow country men.

Therefore, I will be not able to go DC around Feb. 5 and 6. I strong suggest
the working/round table meeting be postponed to a later date.

Thanks and regards.

Hongguang
Council Member from the Southwest 




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Sihn On.

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 .......................................................................
   Meeting Chair,

   I will be in presence for the Council First E-mail Conference starting
   3:00pm PST (6:00pm EST), Thursday, Jan. 13, 1994, in the council email
   network.

   I approve (or disapprove) the proposed conference schedule, order
   and rules.

   Wang Yu
   ----  ---- (signed)
   Member of IFCSS 5th Council
   Representing Region:  ---  ---
 .......................................................................




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From: WANG  YU RAYMOND <wangy@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>
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   Meeting Chair,

   I will be in presence for the Council First E-mail Conference starting
   3:00pm PST (6:00pm EST), Thursday, Jan. 13, 1994, in the council email
   network.

   I approve (or disapprove) the proposed conference schedule, order
   and rules.

   My e-mail wangy@rintintin.colorado.edu


   Wang Yu  (Signed)
   Member of IFCSS 5th Council
   Representing Region: __________ 

 .......................................................................




From songlin@buphy.bu.edu  Tue Jan 18 15:26:14 1994
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******************************************************
	Urgent appeal to all of council members 
	about the Council e-mail conference
******************************************************


	The Council First E-mail Conference started at 3:00pm PST
(6:00pm EST), Thursday, Jan. 13, 1994, in the council email 
network (council-l and council-wn). The Mr. Dong Liqun (Chair 
of Council) had call all of the council members to attend the
meeting on Jan. 10, 1994. Until today (Jan. 18, 1994), I found 
out there are only 11 council member are sign on the conference.
They are Dong Liqun, Chen Dong, Zhang Li, Wang Jing, Xu Datong, 
Liang Er, Shao Qing, Fan Hongran, Ren Songlin, Wang Yu, Zhang Fen (?). 
I urgently appeal the council Chair and all of the members
in the council:

(1) The council Chair should immediate to call all of the council
member. If the number of member signed on the meeting is enough
for quorum, we should start to vote as soon as possible.

(2) The member who did not sign on the conference will be recognized 
as absent for any one of the council meetings without proper reasons,
except who has not received the meeting call from council chair or has 
problems to connect network or to call chair through the telephone.   

(3) According to Meeting Agenda, the the main issues of the conference 
plan to discuss the financial inspection of IFCSS including 
(i) On CPA "bidding"** and
(ii) On Finance Committee's Open Letter. 
Since some of the Financial Committee member in the network but failed 
to sign on the conference, we should re-form the council finance 
committee or replace the person who fail to sign on the meeting. 

(4) We decide the CPA as soon as possible and force them give us the 
report the IFCSS financial system in the Feb.working meeting on Washington DC.

We should do our best for the bounden duty of IFCSS council.


Songlin Ren (Signed)
The 5th IFCSS Council Member from Northeast.
Jan. 18, 1994   

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>From:	IN%"shusheng@oce.orst.edu" 23-NOV-1993 15:13:21.62
To:	IN%"ccf-editor@ifcss.org", IN%"dong@wam.umd.edu"
CC:	
Subj:	RE:  CCF #9320, Nov 23: "Progress Report on IFCSS Financial Inspection"

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Dear Mr. Chen Dong,

Thank you for informing CCF of the existence of "the IFCSS Treasuer's respond
to the report".  Would you please send CCF a copy?  CCF will be pleased to
carry the story from the other side (on any issues) as long as there are such
contributions.  With the mentioned response from the Treasurer, CCF may make
a second special issue on this subject.

Best regards,

Luan Shusheng
Executive Editor, CCF

------------------------
>From dong@wam.umd.edu Mon Nov 22 23:10:47 1993
To: ccf-editor@ifcss.org
Subject: Re:  CCF #9320, Nov 23: "Progress Report on IFCSS Financial Inspection"
Dear editor,
	I am glad to see the finance report of IFCSS on CCF.
However, I am somewhat disappointed to see the IFCSS Treasuer's respond to
the report missing. Without such, reader will only get an incompleted view
of the matter. Hope you can at least include it in the next issue.

IFCSS council member
Dong Chen



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This meeting was supposedly to start last Wednesday. Due to some difficulty,
we were unable to reach the quorum. I am glad to see that we have finally
reached the quorum now. There is only one day left according to the original
meeting schedule. I feel the topic we are to discuss and resolutions
proposed are serious on, to ensure we have enough discussion and idea
exchanging, to ensure we reach a fair and just conclusion, I move that,
	1. extend the meeting dead line by one day, i.e. the meeting
	   will end at 5:59pm, Friday, Jan 21, 1994.
	2. extend the vote deadline one more day accordingly.

Dong Chen

PS, songlin, could you second me ?

[note]
	There is no debate needed for this motion. Please send mail
to council-l@ifcss.org AND dong@ifcss.org and/or liqun to inform your
vote on this motion NOW ! If not enough (means 11 !) vote received by
Jan 20, this meeting will be ended as proposed early,i.e. Jan 20.

	If you choose to vote against or abstain for this motion, please
remember to send your vote of the followings to council-l@ifcss.org and
dong@ifcss.org as soon as possible (before Jan 20).  
	a. [yes/no/abstain] for CPA recommendation
	b. [yes/no/abstain] for CP5026
	c. [yes/no/abstain] for CP5027
	d. [yes/no/abstain] for CP5028

	In case you forgot what these resolutions are, I am going to forward
to you in the next mail.
	I strongly appeal you vote yes to all four items. And remember
"abstain" has equivalent effect as "no", you are discouraged to vote
"abstain".


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Mr. Chair,
	As our meeting proceeds, I have noticed councilmen Qi Bin, Liu Cheng,
Zhou Hongguang and Ding Yungui are in presence in our officail meeting network
council-l@ifcss.org. I am asking meeting chair's decision on whether or not
they are officially in the meeting, i.e. be counted in the quorum ?

	Please respond at your earliest possible time.

Dong Chen


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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

**** Subject: Recommendation on CPA Bidding

DATE:     January 10, 1994
TO:       IFCSS Council and SVC
FROM:     IFCSS HQ
SUBJECT:  Recommendation On the CPA Bidding To Professionalize
          the IFCSS Accounting System

Since forwarding the four CPA proposals for the bid to
professionalize the IFCSS accounting system, we have received
many responses and enquiries from members of the Council and SVC.

Based upon the following three criteria:

1.   The professional reputation and experience;
2.   That the firm's proposed service and business profile
closely fit the need of IFCSS as a non-profit organization within
the CSS community;
3.   The cost;

the IFCSS HQ recommends that Jeff W.S. Lin proceed to take up the
task of helping professionalizing the IFCSS accounting system,
which includes (though not limited to):

1.   Compiling all IFCSS financial transactions and records since
and including last term (the fourth term) in accordance with
Statements on Standards for Accounting and Review Services
regarding non-profit organizations issued by the American
Institute of Certified Public Accountants;

2.   Providing Evaluation Report on the general conditions of the
IFCSS accounting system, and on any possible material errors,
irregularities or illegal acts;

3.   Making policy suggestions on IFCSS accounting format,
control and management to promote professionalization.

Here are some of the considerations that lead to our
recommendation:

Mr. Jeff W.S. Lin is a well-established CPA in the DC area. His
company has an efficient staff and a business profile that
closely fit the need of the IFCSS. This is clearly reflected in
his proposal, which we think is the best among the four. Not only
his clients are mostly non-profit organizations like IFCSS, the
National Endowment For Democracy (NED) has hired his company to
conduct external auditings to organizations receiving NED funds.
The quality of his company's professional service is well
recognized in the community here. The company will charge a flat
fee of $2,600 (in two installments) for the service.

Myint & Buntua and Cohen Rutherford Blum & Schott, PC are also
well recognized CPA firms in the DC area. Both of them have
strong background in non-profit organizations. However, their
charged fees may be higher than we can afford. Both companies
declined to give a flat fee for the service, but provided
estimated fees ($2,720 by Myint & Buntua and $2,325 by Cohen
Rutherford Blum & Schott, PC). If they need to work beyond the
estimated hours, additional fees will be billed at a hourly rate
($80 per additional hour by Myint $ Buntua and $105-200 per
additional hour by Cohen Rutherford Blum & Schott, PC). Some of
the service (for instance, making control and policy suggestions,
setting formatting procedures) may not be included in the
estimate, and therefore may incur unpredictable hourly fees to
complete.

Terry T. Fang, a CPA entrepreneur, asked a flat fee of $800 for
the service proposed, which is the most economical among the
four. However, his business profile, experience, background and
supporting staff are not as strong as the other three firms.
During the interview with the HQ, he asked far fewer questions
than the other three CPAs regarding the IFCSS accounting. We are
not sure that he fully appreciates the complexity of the IFCSS's
multi-aspects of financial activities. And he is unable to
impress us with the kind of quality service that will satisfy the
IFCSS needs.

The above is our opinion, and you are encouraged to make further
inquiries either to the HQ or to the CPAs directly. As we expect
the designated CPA to complete the aforementioned three tasks
before the Feb 5-6 Working Meeting in DC, we urge the Council to
adopt a resolution of designation as soon as possible. However,
if the Council is unable to reach a vote or verdict by January
14th, the HQ will proceed as this memo has recommended while
continuing to seek the Council's endorsement.

We will arrange to have the designated CPA to meet with each of
you when you come to DC, and to present to the Council and SVC
the re-compiled IFCSS accounts along with evaluation report and
policy suggestions over IFCSS accounting control, format and
management. The HQ is confident that together we may further
reform and refine our accounting system towards greater
professionalization and accountability.

Again, we have attached the four CPAs' original proposals for
your reference. Thank you.


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=========================================================================

**** Resolutions proposed

[CP5026]
        Resolution on inactivating the Finance Committee
                by Dong Chen/Songlin Ren

        1) IFCSS Council Committees are elected and responsible for the
           Council. The Finance Committee neither got consent from nor
           informed other Council members before the releasing of recent
           open letter to the CSS. Such irresponsible action violated
           the basic right of other council members,
        2) A IFCSS Working Meeting is to be held Feb. 5-6, 1994 at Washington,
           D.C. and a professional review of both external and internal
           finance status is to be reviewed by CPA. All Council members,
           SVC members and other CSS will have the opportunity to thoroughly
           check and question HQ's operations in the past and future,
        3) The dispute between Finance Committee and HQ is getting too
           emotional, and a normal professional relationship between Council
           Finance Committee and HQ is not possible to keep at this time,

        Be it resolved that,

        temporally inactivate the Finance Committee and its inspection team
        until further discussion of Council.


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[CP5027]
        Amendment to Council Bylaw
                By Liang, Er/Dong Chen

        Whereas that the council committees are elected by the Council;
        that the committees' privilege is granted by the council;
        that the council is responsible for the committees' action;

        Amend that,

        To the Council Bylaw, in article IV, after the first sentence,
        "...shall have and may exercise the powers of the Council in
         management of the business and affairs of the Council."
        add the following,

        "The committees must inform and get consent from the Council
         for any of their activities outside the Council.

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[CP5028]
        Resolution on open the "finance-net" to the Council
                By Dong Chen/Songlin Ren

        The Finance Committee is elected and responsible for the
        Council; many council members were not inform enough for the
        Finance Committee's recent action; the Finance Committee has
        set up a network for their routine work,

        Be it resolved that,

        Finance Committee open the "finance-net" to all Council members
        include its archived files.

*************************************************************************


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Status: RO


This drove me nuts !
>From last weekend, for the first time, I cannot receive any mail
from council-l. I am try to get the system adm. to fix the problem.
Meanwhile did any of you received mails I just sent to council-l ?

I will try to send a testing message to council-l again (sorry.)
as this:
	test for council-l, please response.

Let me know if you get or don't get the message.


