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Terry T. Fang
Certified Public Accountant
3328 Monarch Lane
Annandale, VA 22003
(703)560-4520

December 22, 1993

Mr. Changsheng Lin
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars
733 15th Street, N.W. Suite 440
Washington, D.C. 20005

Dear Mr. Lin:

This letter is to confirm our understanding of the terms and
objectives of our engagement and the nature and limitations of
the services we will provide.

1.   We will compile, from information you provide, the annual
balance sheets and related statements of income, retained
earnings, and cash flow of Independent Federation of Chinese
Students and Scholars (IFCSS) for the year ended September 30,
1993. We will not audit or review such financial statements. Our
report on the annual financial statements of IFCSS is presently
expected to read as follows:

     "We have compile the accompanying balance sheet of IFCSS as
of September 30, 1993, and the related statements of income,
retained earnings, and cash flows for the year then ended, in
accordance with statements on Standards for Accounting and Review
Services issued by the American Institute of Certified Public
Accountants.

     A compilation is limited to presenting in the form of
financial statement information this is the representation of
management. We have not audited or reviewed the accompanying
financial statements and, accordingly, do not express an opinion
or any other form of assurance on them."

If, for any reason, we are unable to complete the compilation or
your financial statements, we will not issue a report on such
statements as a result of this engagement.

2.   We will assist your bookkeeper in adjusting the books of
account so that he/she will be able to prepare a working trial
balance from which financial statements can be compiled. Your
bookkeeper will provide us with a detailed trial balance and any
supporting schedules we require.

3.   We will evaluate your current internal control and
accounting system, and make suggestions as necessary.

4.   We will also prepare the federal and state information
returns and income tax returns, if required, for IFCSS for the
fiscal year ended September 30, 1993.

Our engagement cannot be relied upon to disclose errors and
irregularities, including fraud or defalcations, that may exist.
However, we will inform you of irregularities that come to our
attention, unless they are inconsequential.

Our fee for these services is $800.00. We shall be pleased to
discuss this letter with you at any time.

If the foregoing is in accordance with your understanding, please
sign the copy of this letter in the space provided and return it
to us.


Sincerely yours,



-----------------------
Terry T. Fang, CPA







Acknowledgment:
Independent Federation of
Chinese Students and Scholars


-----------------------
President



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Date


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                         PROPOSAL BY JEFF W.S. LIN
                        Certified Public Accountant
                      414 Hungerford Drive, Suite 236
                            Rockville, MD 20850
                  Tel: (301)762-0479   Fax: (301)309-0479

IFCSS
733 15th Street, NW
Suite 440
Washington D.C. 20005

This letter is to confirm our understanding of the terms and
objectives of my engagement and the nature and limitations of the
services I will provide.

I will perform the following services:

1.   I will compile, from information you provide, the annual
     balance sheets and the related statements of income and
     retained earnings, of IFCSS for the year ended June 30,
     1993. I will not audit or review such financial statements.
     My report on the annual financial statements of IFCSS is
     presently expected to read as follows:

          I have compiled the accompanying balance sheet of IFCSS
          as of June 30, 1993, and the related statements of
          income and retained earnings, for the year then ended,
          in accordance with Statements on Standards for
          Accounting and Review Services issued by the American
          Institute of Certified Public Accountants.

          A compilation is limited to presenting in the form of
          financial statements information that is the
          representation of management. I have not audited or
          reviewed the accompanying financial statements and,
          accordingly, do not express an opinion or any other
          form of assurance on them.

If management elects to omit substantially all disclosures, and
statement of cash flows, I will include an additional paragraph
that will read as follows:

          Management has elected to omit substantially all of the
          disclosures and statement of cash flows required by
          generally accepted accounting principles. If the
          omitted disclosures and statement of cash flows were
          included in the financial statement, they might
          influence the user's conclusions about the Company's
          financial position, results of operations, and cash
          flows. Accordingly, these financial statements are not
          designed for those who are not informed about such
          matters.

If, for any reason, I am unable to complete the compilation of
your financial statements, I will not issue a report on such
statements as a result of this engagement.

2.   I will assist your bookkeeper in adjusting the books of
     accounts so that she will be able to prepare a working trial
     balance from which financial statements can be compiled.
     Your bookkeeper will provide me with a detailed trial
     balance and any supporting schedules I require.

3.   I will also prepare the federal and state income tax returns     for 
IFCSS for the fiscal year ended June 30, 1993.

My engagement cannot be relied upon to disclose errors,
irregularities, or illegal acts, including fraud or defalcations,
that may exist. However, I will inform you of any material errors
that may come to my attention and any irregularities or illegal
acts that come to my attention, unless they are clearly
inconsequential.

My fee for the above services will be a flat fee of $1500.00.

Furthermore, I will conduct a study of the internal control
structure of IFCSS and report the results thereof to you. This
study requires the cooperation from all personnel within the
organization. Again, I will not conduct the audit or review of
the IFCSS's financial statements. The fee for this service will
be $700.00.

At your request, I will also draft up an accounting policy manual
which will be based on my internal control study to spell out the
detail control procedures, the control environment and the
accounting system. The fee for this service will be $400.00.

Based on the conversation we had and the prior engagement I had
with your firm, I firmly believe that the above three (3)
services will enable your organization to run the business in a
more efficient and professional manner and to serve the overseas
Chinese students and scholars most effectively.

Should you have any questions with regard to any of the
aforementioned proposals please do not hesitate to call me.

If the foregoing is in accordance with your understanding, please
sign the copy of this letter in the space provided and return it
along with a check in the amount of $1300.00 (one half of total
fee) to me at your earliest convenience.

                              Sincerely,

                              Jeff W. S. Lin, CPA (signed)



Acknowledged:
IFCSS

_________________________
President

_________________________
Date


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                        PROPOSAL BY MYINT & BUNTUA
                       Certified Public Accountants
                       5203 Leesburg Pike, Suite 300
                          Falls Church, VA 22041
                            Tel:  (703)845-1555

IFCSS
733 15th Street, NW
Suite 440
Washington DC 20005

Dear Mr. Lin Changsheng,

This letter is to confirm our understanding of the terms and
objectives of our engagement and the nature and limitations of
the services we will provide.

we will perform the following services:

I.   Compilation

     we will compile, from information you provide, the annual
balance sheet and the related statements of revenue,
     expenses, fund balances, and cash flows of IFCSS for the
     year ended June 30, 1993. We will not audit or review such
     financial statements. Our report on the annual financial
     statements of IFCSS is presently expected to read as
     follows:

          We have compiled the accompanying balance sheet of
          IFCSS, and the related statements of revenue, expenses,
          fund balances and cash flows for the year then ended,
          in accordance with Statements on Standards for
          accounting and Review Services issued by the American
          Institute of Certified Public Accountants.

          A compilation is limited to presenting in the form of
          financial statements information that is the
          representation of management. We have not audited or
          reviewed the accompanying financial statements and,
          accordingly, do not express an opinion or any other
          form of assurance on them.

If, for any reason, we are unable to complete the compilation of
your financial statements, we will not issue a report on such
statements as a result of this engagement.

Your bookkeeper will provide us with a detailed trial balance and
any supporting schedules we require.

II.  Federal and State Tax Returns

     We will also prepare the federal tax return 990 for IFCSS
     for the fiscal year ended June 30, 1993.

Our engagement cannot be relied upon to disclose errors,
irregularities, or illegal acts, including fraud or defalcations,
that may exist. However, we will in form you of any material
errors that come to our attention and any irregularities or
illegal acts that come to our attention, unless they are clearly
inconsequential.

     For items I and II, we estimate our fee to be $1,630.

III. Limited Review of Accounting Systems and Procedures

     We will review your current accounting system, procedures
     and administrative controls. We will report on our review
     and provide you with our recommendations.

     Our fee for Item III will be based on the number of hours
     and the staff positions of the individuals assigned. Based
     on our survey, we estimate that we will incur the following:

          Classification           Hours          Amount

          Partner                   2             $  190

          Senior                   20             $  900
                                                  -------
                                                  $1,090

We shall be pleased to discuss this letter with you at any time.

If the foregoing is in accordance with your understanding, please
sign the copy of this letter in the space provided and return it
to us.

                                   Sincerely,

                                   Ellen Myint, CPA
                                   Partner

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**** Explanation of email conference procedure (Prepared by Chen, Dong)

Dear colleague,

     As this is the first email conference we have, I think it is
necessary to me to explain how the procedure should go. Please notice
this is only my own understanding and suggestion after consulting with
other people who have more experience in this matter. Please do voice
your suggestions.

[sign on]

     First we should sign on the net as soon as possible by sending
mail to "council-l@ifcss.org". In fact, you should sign on now.

[deadline]

     Then start from 6:00pm EST, Jan. 13, you can post your
discussion and vote to the net. Please notice the deadlines, i.e.
        - 11:00pm EST, Jan. 14 for vote of the CPA
        - 6:00pm  EST, Jan. 15 for proposing new resolutions
        - 5:59pm  EST, Jan. 20 for vote of all resolutions.

[vote]

     You can vote any resolutions as soon as the meeting starts.

     Please refer to the series number of the resolution (CP50**) when
you need to mention the resolution.

     Please post you discussion and vote as soon as you can. Don't wait
until the deadline, although I will try to remind you to vote in the
last two days of the meeting.

     You can vote for one issue at a time or combine all of them together.
Please write clearly which resolution you are talking/voting.

     All resolutions have to be voted, there is no unanimous consent.

[writing]

     For clarity, I suggest we write the subject line in this format:
        Subject: [area]<your name> message title
where [area] can be [vote],[discussion],[CP5026],[motion] etc.
the message title can be optional. For example,
Subject: [discussion]<Dong Chen> Who is responsible for the open letter?

     For rules that not defined in the order of the meeting, we should
follow the Robert Rule of Order.
     I suggest everybody check your email at least once per day.

Dong Chen


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>From: dong@fuzzy.umd.edu (priv=-10 D.C.)
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Please notice that,
  accroding to Council bylaw, Article III, Section 7, all council members 
  *MUST* attend the meeting.
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>From:   Liqun Dong, Chair of Council
        Dong Chen, Secretary of Council
To:     IFCSS Council, SVC, HQ, all CSS
Date:   Jan. 12, 1994
Sub:    Call for the 1st IFCSS Council Email Conference

IFCSS Council,
IFCSS SVC,
IFCSS HQ,
CSS,

According to IFCSS Council Bylaw ARTICLE II, Section 1, ARTICLE III,
and after series consultations with members of the Council, this is a
call for the IFCSS Council First Email Conference.  The Email
conference will be held during the time of:

  Start:     6:00pm EST, Thursday, Jan. 13, 1994
  End:       5:59pm EST, Thursday, Jan. 20, 1994.

Enclosed please find a tentative schedule, meeting order and rules.

Council members please report to the meeting by signing and posting
the following message to council network before the meeting starts:

 .......................................................................
   Meeting Chair,

   I will be in presence for the Council First E-mail Conference starting
   3:00pm PST (6:00pm EST), Thursday, Jan. 13, 1994, in the council email
   network.

   I approve (or disapprove) the proposed conference schedule, order
   and rules.

   ----  ---- (signed)
   Member of IFCSS 5th Council
   Representing Region:  ---  ---
 .......................................................................

Interested public readers are welcome to audit the Conference.  Please
be advised that only council members, the IFCSS HQ and invited guests
are permitted to post on the council working network during the
conference.  Any violation shall result in, without warning, immediate
termination of the access privilege.

To audit the council email network (if you are not already on the
council-l net, please send email to:
        listserv@ifcss.org
with the first line of message of:
        sub council-l firstname lastname
Thank you for your attention.

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                  IFCSS Council Email Conference
                              Schedule
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Session Form:       Email conference

Duration:           One week (7 days)

Start Time:         3:00pm PST or 6:00pm EST, Thursday, Jan. 13, 1994

Proposing Deadline: 3:00pm PST or 6:00pm EST, Saturday, Jan. 15, 1994

Close Debate:       3:00pm PST or 6:00pm EST, Thursday, Jan. 20, 1994

Conference Adjourns:2:59pm PST or 5:59pm EST, Thursday, Jan. 20, 1994.

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                 Business Order of the Meeting
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1. On adoption of Email Conference Rules and Order of the Meeting;

2. On CPA bidding and voting for the recommendation
        (deadline: 8:00pm PST or 11:00pm EST, Friday, Jan. 14, 1994);

3. On Council members proposals moved before the proposing deadline;

4. On emergency proposals moved after the proposing deadline - see rules;

5. Vote on resolutions.


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                    Temporaray Meeting Agenda
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1.  On CPA "bidding"**:  to vote or express own voice;

2.  On Finance Committee's Open Letter: to decide whether temporary and 
       emergent motion is necessary or not, and if yes, what and how;
 
3.  On Proposed Working Meeting: to dicide what issues we should discuss in
         the meeting and to prepare them.

**: deadline for selecting CPA is 8:00pm PST or 11:00pm EST, 
Friday, Jan. 14, 1994.
 
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                     Email Conference Rules
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1.  According to Council Bylaw, Quorum of the meeting is 2/3 of the
    total member of the Council.  Currently, 2/3 of 16 is 11.

2.  According to IFCSS Constitution, resolutions are adopted by vote of
    no less then half of the entire Council membership.

3.  According to Council Bylaw, all council members are required to
    attend the email conference in one of the following two forms:

    a. Post to the Council email network during the conference period;

    b. If no email accounts, a member shall contact, before and during the
       meeting time two or more times with at least one Council member who
       has email access to Council net.  The said member's concern and votes
       shall be forwarded to the council email network.

4.  To be present in the email conference, a council member shall post to the
    Council email network before the Email Conference starts.  According to
    council Bylaw and previous practice, the announcement should be in the
    following form:

 .......................................................................
   Meeting Chair,

   I will be in presence for the Council First E-mail Conference starting
   3:00pm PST (6:00pm EST), Thursday, Jan. 13, 1994, in the council email
   network.

   I approve (or disapprove) the proposed conference schedule, order
   and rules.

   ----  ---- (signed)
   Member of IFCSS 5th Council
   Representing Region:  ---  ---
 ...........................................................................

5.  Proposals are moved by one or more Council members before the proposing
    deadline.   A second is required for all proposals.

6.  Proposals moved after the deadline can only be accepted through the
    following emergency procedure.  It is the emergency proposal's author's
    responsibility to:

    1. Inform all council members at least 36 hours before the scheduled
       conference closing time;
    2. Receive a second;
    3. Receive at least half council members' approval for admitting the
       emergency proposal to the conference.

7.  Council Secretary shall assign a series number for each proposed
    resolution, and keep an official record of all conference related posts;

8.  All votes shall be posted on the council email network directly within
    the voting period (the last two days of the conference), including
    forwarded votes of members with no email access.

9.  Because of the characteristics of email conference, amendments shall not
    be voted on whether or not to be adopted.  Resolution's original author
    should consider suggestions, changes, etc. seriously, and make
    modifications with other member's help.

10. The validation of an email shall be determined by its posting time.

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Attachments:

1. Recommendation on CPA Bidding (HQ mail in January 10)

2. Resolutions proposed

3. Explanation of email conference procedure (Prepared by Chen, Dong)



Dong Liqun              Dong Chen
Chairperson             Secretary
IFCSS Council           IFCSS Council

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PROPOSAL TO SERVE INDEPENDENT FEDERATION OF CHINESE
STUDENTS AND SCHOLARS

December 27, 1993

COHEN
RUTHERFORD
BLUM&SCHOTT,PC
CERTIFIED PUBLIC ACCOUNTANTS

6903 Rockledge Dr. Suite 1330
Bethesda, Maryland 20817-1800
Telephone 301-530-2200
Telefax   301-530-3625


December 27,1993

Mr. Xiaozhu Liu
Executive Director
Independent Federation of
Chinese Students and Scholars
733 15th Street, NW, Suite 440
Washington DC 20005

Dear Mr. Liu:

We are pleased to present our proposal to serve the Independent
of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS) as your independent
accountants and business advisors, and we appreciate the
opportunity to have been called upon to respond to your request
for proposal (REP) per our meeting of December 22, 1993. As this
proposal will demonstrate, we are interested in serving IFCSS,
and as an important client of our firm, you can be sure of our
commitment to provide timely, quality services.

Based on our meeting, it is apparent that your management style
coincides with our philosophy concerning client service. As
mentioned to you, member of our firm pride themselves as more
than a "once a year visitor" and can and will respond quickly to
all of your accounting and financial needs. We are interested in
providing advice that will help you make proper business
decisions to effectively and efficiently operate IFCSS. Only with
proper information, obtained on a timely basis, can management be
effective in its role and in maintaining its fiduciary
responsibility in overseeing the operations of IFCSS. I believe
it is important to you and IFCSS to have a full service firm
being integrally involved with your operation. especially as you
expand our operations in fulfilling your mission and purpose in
accordance with your Articles of Incorporation.

Our proposal is structured to emphasize the importance we place
on client service and the service we would deliver to IFCSS, and
to affirm the commitment of our people who will work with you.
IFCSS should expect more than an efficient and quality
compilation from its independent accountants and our philosophy
of client service parallels that expectation. We are confident
that after reviewing our proposal, you will agree that Cohen,
Rutherford, Blum & Schott has the desire and resources to deliver
the level of services required by IFCSS.

FIRM BACKGROUND

Cohen, Rutherford, Blum & Schott is a certified public accounting
firm which was formed in the fall of 1980. We have a professional
staff of approximately 25 full-time employees, and our main
office is located at Two Democracy Center, 6903 Rockledge Drive,
Suite 1330, Bethesda, Maryland 20817-1800. We currently provide
annual audit, tax, and consulting services to a wide variety of
clients, a significant portion of which are not-for-profit
organizations and associations. In addition to performing audit
and consulting services, our firm provides tax and financial
planning services, accounting assistance, and a wide range of
management advisory consulting services. We are very confident
that Cohen, Rutherford, Blum & Schott has the means, experience,
and expertise to provide the needed services to meet the
requirements of IFCSS.

Because not-for-profit organizations represent a significant
portion of our current clientele, we have kept abreast of all
significant audit and tax changes and proposals affecting the
industry. Since we are involved with the sizable association
network within the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan area, we are
very familiar with the unique characteristics of fund accounting
and other relevant aspects affecting accounting, cost
allocations, finance, and administration of these types of
organizations. Several of our current audit clients' operations
would appear to be comparable to IFCSS's, whose revenue,
membership structure and programs are similar to your
organization's.

Our clientele includes organizations who receive, as either
direct recipients or subrecipients, federal assistance of varying
amounts. We are therefore familiar with the government audit
procedures and reporting mechanisms for compliance under the
applicable Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Circulars, if
IFCSS were subject to federal funding requiring an audit.

We have also had principals of the firm volunteer their services
as technical advisors to certain committees or boards of our
clients, as well as serving as board members for nonclients.
Members of our firm have been active participants in chambers of
commerce, the American Society of Association Executives, the
Greater Washington Society of Association Executives, and
numerous other trade associations. We would also like to mention
that our firm underwent a quality review in 1993 performed by an
external, independent accounting firm, the results of which were
very positive and an unmodified report was issued. We are
dedicated to providing the best and broadest professional
services to our clients by utilizing our expertise and knowledge
through a well defined and thoroughly planned work approach and
communication mechanism.

Our firm has also assisted our clients in compensation analysis,
ballot counts, write-up services, preparation of operating and
capital budgets, W-2 and 1099 preparation, staffing analysis,
assessment of computer needs and development of requests for
information and requests for proposals for management information
systems, as well as other areas. We are sure that our experience
and resources can be applied to IFCSS's operations as needed
which may prove to be beneficial to your organization.

SCOPE OF SERVICES AND TIMING

It is our understanding that the scope of services desired by
IFCSS would include a compilation of the accrual basis financial
statements (balance sheet, statements of revenue and expense and
fund balance, and cash flows) as of June 30, 1993 and for the
year then ended, and possibly also future fiscal periods;
preparation of the 1993 annual tax returns (federal Forms 990 and
990T); and various accounting and consulting services as
discussed via the RFP and further outlined below. As mentioned
previously, we confident that we have the resources, expertise,
and the experience to provide quality services essential to meet
your requirements.

A compilation is limited to presenting in the form of financial
statements information that is the representation of management.
You also requested that the compilation includes footnote
disclosures. We will not audit or review such financial
statements. Our report on the annual financial statements of the
Federation is presently expected to read as follows:

     We have compiled the accompanying balance sheet
     of the Independent Federation of Chinese Students
     and Scholars as the June 30, 1993, and the related
statements of  income and expenses and changed in
     fund balance, cash flows for the year then ended, in
accordance with standards established by the American  Institute
of Certified Public Accountants.

     A compilation is limited to presenting in the form
     of financial statements information that is the
representation of management. We have not audited to   reviewed
the accompanying financial statements and    accordingly, do not
express and opinion or any other
     form of assurance on them.

If, for any reason, we are unable to complete the compilation of
your financial statements, we will not issue a report on such
statements as a result of this engagement. At the conclusion of
compilation procedures, we would request certain written
representations from management about your financial statements
and matters related thereto. Our compilation is subject to the
inherent risk that material errors, irregularities, or illegal
acts, including fraud or defalcations, if they exist, would not
be detected. However, we would inform you of any such matters
that come to our attention.

We will actively work with management to anticipate change rather
than merely react to change. We will follow a policy that demands
planning, coordination, and continual communications with key
management personnel of IFCSS, conducting our work at the highest
level of quality at a reasonable cost. Using this approach, IFCSS
will benefit from our wide range of expertise and experience, and
we can be made aware on a timely basis of your needs, problems,
and concerns.

Our services will begin be meeting with you and other key
personnel to thoroughly plan the engagement, develop the client
assistance list, and become familiar with your systems and
procedures. We will utilize to the greatest extent possible
financial and statistical information, workpapers and reports
prepared by you and your personnel and will coordinated our work
with them.

Also, we would prepare and deliver to management a report, after
discussing it with management, which summarizes realistic
recommendations for improving the effectiveness of IFCSS's
accounting, administrative, and operational controls and
procedures, based on our observations and select inquiries of
IFCSS management. However, we will not be reviewing the internal
control structure of IFCSS, as such a review and evaluation is
not within the scope of this engagement.

The specific timing of the compilation procedures would be worked
out with management based on an agreed-upon schedule. It is
anticipated that the work conducted on-site would not exceed more
than two to three days, and most likely could be achieved within
this period assuming the accounting records are in order and the
client assistance schedule is accurately and thoroughly
completed.

Control Over IFCSS Engagement

The success of any professional engagement depends primarily on
the dedication and abilities of the assigned executives, the
relationships they build with our client's management and staff,
and the selection of the overall audit and consulting team
assigned to the engagement. We believe that we can provide a team
of individuals with the qualities necessary to appropriately and
effectively serve IFCSS as its independent accountants, tax
preparers, and business advisors.

Dan D'Agostino, a principal of the firm, will be the assigned
executive for the engagement. He will be responsible for ensuring
effective planning and staffing, timely performance, continuing
communications, the resolution of questions and potential
problems, and quality control. He will be assisted by a staff
member, most likely Jing Chen who met you at the meeting last
week. Dan has over 19 years experience as a business consultant,
predominantly conducting and managing audit and accounting
engagements as well as numerous and various management advisory
consulting services.

Dan and/or other members of the firm as deemed appropriate will
meet with management during the year to discuss matters affecting
IFCSS as needed to bring important issues to your attention. And,
if any matters requiring assistance do arise during the year, the
executive will have our firm respond quickly and with experienced
personnel.

Elliot Blum is a principal responsible for the firms' tax
practice and he will coordinate the tax services to IFCSS. In
this role he will have the responsibility for ensuring timely
and complete preparation of the tax returns (Federal Forms 990
and 990T), and will ensure that ample time is allotted to review
all tax returns with you in advance of the filing dates. He will
be assisted by members of the firm's tax division, who will also
be available to respond to tax questions or issues and provide
tax planning as the need arises.

Our firm also has two full-time consultants who are solely
dedicated to management information systems and are very
knowledgeable of computer programming, applications and operating
systems. Other consultants of the firm as involved with numerous
other consulting activities. We will draw upon their expertise as
deemed necessary throughout the audit engagement, and in other
services that may be needed and requested by IFCSS throughout the
fiscal period.

PROFESSIONAL FEES AND EXPENSES

As mentioned during our meeting, we would prefer to have IFCSS as
a client over a long term, and since we want to develop a
positive client relationship with IFCSS that we believe would be
mutually rewarding, we have taken the liberty to present a fee
arrangement for not only the 1993 fiscal period, but also for
1994 and 1995. You will note that the fees for the three year
engagement are thus discounted, and average over the term os as
not to have a significantly higher fee in the first  year that
would otherwise be the case.

Based upon the scope of services described above, we propose to
perform the aforementioned services applicable to IFCSS's fiscal
years for the following respective fees:

                              Compilation and Tax
   One year
   Engagement     1993        $2,325

   Multiple Year  1993        $2,200
   Engagement     1994        $2,225
                  1995        $2,450

================================================
          Three Year
          Engagement Total    $6,675

The above quoted fees are based on anticipated hours by level of
personnel, with a discounted hourly rate from our standard hourly
rates per hour for the three year engagement since we are
desirous of having IFCSS as a client over at least the three year
term. The fee also assumes the scope of services or the structure
of the organization does not significantly change during the
first three year period. This implies that IFCSS would not be
subject to government auditing standards or OMB requirements.
Out-of-pocket expenses, which include travel, parking courier
services, copying, fax, etc., are billed as incurred and normally
are about 5% to 7% of professional fees.

The above fees are also based on the assumption that all
necessary information is made available to us during the
engagement(s) and that we receive maximum client assistance as
required. This would include typing of select confirmations if
deemed appropriate, retrieval of all required financial and tax
information, preparation of all bank reconciliations and
requested workpapers, and conformance to our standard client
assistance schedule, etc.

Receiving maximum assistance allows us to minimize costs to our
clients as well as to allow you to develop a better understanding
of the specific detail required to be obtained from your records
to support your financial statements and tax returns. We will
work with you in developing a client assistance list prior to
commencing field work and in reaching a mutually agreed upon
timetable for providing us the required information.

If you require special assistance during the engagements in
reconciling or analyzing accounts, or in completing the client
assistance workpapers, we would provide estimates and bill
separately for these services based on our standard hourly
consulting rates, which vary by level of personnel.

Specific accounting assistance or tax consultation outside the
scope of services as described above (for instance: Assistance
and/or preparation of journal entries, assistance with
depreciation lapse schedules, cash, receivable or payable
reconciliations, tax advice and consultation or dealings with the
IRS outside the realm of the  actual annual tax return
preparation) would also be billed at our standard hourly rates.

Other accounting services which may be needed by IFCSS would be
billed at our standard hourly rates. As mentioned earlier, these
rates vary depending upon job category and are typically adjusted
annually on February 1. For your information, our current hourly
rates are as follows:

          Job Categories           Hourly Rates
          --------------           ------------

          principal                $ 105 - $ 200
          Manager                     80 -   110
          Senior-Supervisor           50 -   100
          Staff                       40 -    80
          Paraprofessional            60 -    80

We would require an engagement agreement and letter of
understanding to be signed by IFCSS upon acceptance of our
proposal and before services would begin. The agreement could
include, but not be necessarily limited to, description of the
engagement, fees, conditions of payment, retainer requirements
(we  normally require a deposit form new clients prior to the
commencement of services up to one-half of the annual fee),
deadlines for reports, etc.

For your information, the attached Appendix A lists client
references, the majority of which are not-for-profit associations
comparable to IFCSS in terms of accounting and tax engagement
scope of  services. Additional references will be made available
upon request. We have made every effort to provide realistic fee
estimates, and if you have any questions regarding the details of
our proposed fees, please contact us as we would appreciate the
opportunity to discuss them with you to reach a mutually
agreeable fee arrangement.

In conclusion, we appreciate this opportunity to have been
solicited to respond to your request for proposal and to submit a
proposal to serve as your independent accountants. We are
confident that Cohen, Rutherford, Blum & Schott has the required
staff who are qualified through education, training and
experience, the necessary support resources, and the enthusiasm
to conduct the required compilations, consulting and tax services
in a satisfactory, timely and efficient manner. We welcome the
opportunity to work with the Independent Federation of Chinese
Students and Scholars and look forward to hearing from you. If
you have any questions or require additional information, please
feel free to contact me at 301/530-2200.


Very truly yours,

Cohen, Rutherford, Blum & Schott, P.C.

By: Dan D'Agostino, CPA (signed)
    Principal
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Status: RO

After talk with Liqun, I agree to amend my early motion so that it reads
we postpone the deadline of the meeting to 5:59pm Saturday, Jan 22, 1994.

=======================================
This meeting was supposedly to start last Wednesday. Due to some difficulty,
we were unable to reach the quorum. I am glad to see that we have finally
reached the quorum now. There is only one day left according to the original
meeting schedule. I feel the topic we are to discuss and resolutions
proposed are serious on, to ensure we have enough discussion and idea
exchanging, to ensure we reach a fair and just conclusion, I move that,
	1. extend the meeting dead line by one day, i.e. the meeting
	   will end at 5:59pm, Friday, Jan 21, 1994.
	2. extend the vote deadline one more day accordingly.

Dong Chen

PS, songlin, could you second me ?

[note]
	There is no debate needed for this motion. Please send mail
to council-l@ifcss.org AND dong@ifcss.org and/or liqun to inform your
vote on this motion NOW ! If not enough (means 11 !) vote received by
Jan 20, this meeting will be ended as proposed early,i.e. Jan 20.

	If you choose to vote against or abstain for this motion, please
remember to send your vote of the followings to council-l@ifcss.org and
dong@ifcss.org as soon as possible (before Jan 20).  
	a. [yes/no/abstain] for CPA recommendation
	b. [yes/no/abstain] for CP5026
	c. [yes/no/abstain] for CP5027
	d. [yes/no/abstain] for CP5028

	In case you forgot what these resolutions are, I am going to forward
to you in the next mail.
	I strongly appeal you vote yes to all four items. And remember
"abstain" has equivalent effect as "no", you are discouraged to vote
"abstain" on these issues.

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Subject: important! meeting change site
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        ifcssvc, jing@track.physics.usfca.edu, labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu,
        liqun@hardy.u.washington.edu, liuc@violet.ph.albany.edu,
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        xiubei@scripps.edu, yiping@ccit.arizona.edu,
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Status: RO


Due to unknow reason, the council-l is not function correctly now.
Therefor, I propose to move the meeting site to council-wn@ifcss.org
This is a close email net for council members only.
I will put a copy of our discussions and votes on the public site
of anonymous ftp ifcss.org:/ifcss/council/5th_council/email_meeting/*
so that this meeting is still open to public auditing.

Please send your email for the meeting to council-wn@ifcss.org

Dong Chen


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Subject: [summary] agenda
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Sorry for have to post so many mails.
Because some colleagues told me they did not keep a copy of files
we send before, so I just resent the whole package.
Also, I will forward some mails that sent to council-l but probably
did not broadcast out from the next mail.

Here's is the motions you need to debate and vote,

1.	[CM5010] postpone meeting deadline to Saturday
2.	CPA proposal by HQ
3.	[CP5026] temporally inactive Finance Committee
4.	[CP5027] amendment to council bylaw
5.	[CP5028] open the "finance-net"

Please vote "yes" to all of them !

Dong Chen

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>From dong@fuzzy.umd.edu  Sat Jan 15 03:05:34 1994
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 94 04:03:55 -0500
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Mr. Chair,

	First, I appreciate the hard work of Finance Committee. Due to
them we will have probably the most comprehensive finance auditing in
the IFCSS history. But, nevertheless, there are many things wrong in
the process.

	Here is my reply to Mr. Liu Cheng's article.


	For Liu Cheng's criticism of the current Treasurer, I am not
sure how much I can agree or disagree, because I did not go through the
account myself. But surely the Finance Committee and Mr.  Liu does not
appreciate how complicated the IFCSS finance account can be.

	I know one small company here with only 3 persons. They even
keep an half time treasurer. Certainly the IFCSS's finance situation,
transactions are much more complicated.

	Also, from talking to the Treasurer of the 1st term, also to Gen
Xiao who tried to do the accounting in his term, I know the IFCSS's
account is very complicated. In fact, lacking sole duty treasurer is
part of the reason that we have messy accounting situation for the first
three terms.  Gen Xiao hired Ms. Jiang, our current Treasurer because he
felt it was beyond what he could handle and he wanted to professionize
our accounting system.

	Later, Mr. Liu claimed "three months of her work can be done by
two layperson in 4 hours". Do you really believe that ? Do you know the
different between organizing a file and glancing through the file ? I
can read a novel in two hours, but can I then claim that writers should
be able to write books in a few hours ? I know this is not a very good
example, but the point is there. Think about it, if you two, non
professional, have no background in accounting, can do accounts in a
few hours, why CPA need to spend time studying accounting for more than
two year? Also, I have to point out that the better an account is
maintained, the easier and lesser time it takes for reviewing. So from
what you said, I might conclude that our account is very well
maintained.

	BTW, when later he claimed that the reputable CPA will do the
accounting for us for "A LITTLE OVER TWO THOUSAND A YEAR", that is
totally wrong! What the firm proposed is (read the proposal again
please!) that they will charge $2300 for the year end compiling of our
account, and under the condition that we have an accountant do the
everyday accounting the right way.

	Saying that the to-be-hired CPA will do what Treasurer
supposedly should do is inconceivable.  Suppose we had so called
"qualified" accountant, then don't the CPA need to do anything for the
proposed job ?  If you read the proposal of "Cohen, Rutherford,
Blum&Schott, PC", the job of our treasurer include at least "typing of
select confirmations if deemed appropriate, retrieval of all required
financial and tax information, preparation of all bank reconciliations
and requested workpapers, and conformance to our standard client
assistance schedule", etc. And the CPA's job is just "compilation of
the accrual basis financial statements", "annual tax returns" and other
"accounting and consulting services"

	Actually, the simplest way for us to evaluate how well Ms. Jiang
performed is to talk to some accounting firm. Just to see how much they
would charge for them to do the everyday accounting for us. Also, we
will have our opportunity to ask the CPA at the D.C.  Working Meeting
after he/she evaluates the whole finance situation of IFCSS.


	The second big part of the article is his insisting the missing
$230K.  For this, I would blame more to the Finance Committee than
anybody else right now. Why ? Because Finance Committee did not do
their home work, or not enough before they reached their conclusion.
Have you ever see how a professional do inspection ? You first have to
try to work out the difference with HQ, ask them questions, talk to
them for several rounds; then you state what you have known and what
you still not know with solid facts, numbers. But what we see here is
that Finance Committee just claimed there are 230K missing with such a
poor writing and supporting facts, even before trying to get an
explanation from HQ.  Here, I am not even try to work out the possible
overlap as pointed out by the "open letter", nor try to figure out if
IFCSS can afford to have 230K missing without notice (see Anzhi's
article in the ifcssvc net, if you want, I can forward to you).  Even
further assume what FC claimed is the case, have we, the council member
ever been informed ?  Why didn't FC bring such a serious SERIOUS
finding out in the 2nd teleconference ?  It is irresponsible and
irrespective to other council members for the FC to post such an open
accusation without informing us. I know the FC will blame HQ for not
cooperative. But is uncooperative the same as confirmation of missing
230K ? If FC is really serious about the reputation of IFCSS and of
itself's, just state the fact (e.g.  complaining about HQ's bad
attitude or something like that), do not present your wildest guess as
the truth. And most importantly, respect other council member.

	The last part is for CPA bidding. What I want see is an
objectively comparison of these for proposal. but after reading why HQ
recommend Jeff Lin, the only thing I can say is Finance Committee has
lost basic trust with HQ. Further cooperation between FC and HQ is not
possible now.

	I will post my analysis of bidding CPA in next mail.


In conclusion, my points are,

=> I will judge our Treasurer's work only after consulting the the CPA
   who has evaluate our whole finance situation

=> The finance committee's claim is not well supported

=> The Finance Committee's "open letter" is irresponsible

=> Even though I do not know as much accounting as our FC colleagues, I
   can still see many obvious misleading/wrong point of articles/letters
   of FC.

Dong Chen


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Date: 14 Jan 1994 19:43:51 -0500 (EST)
>From: liuc@wadsworth.ph.albany.edu (Cheng Liu)
Subject: On selecting CPA for re-compilation
To: council-l@ifcss.org

Dear council members, HQ officials:
	
	As a council member and a participant in the site inspection term,
I extremely glad to see that our hard works are starting to payoff now.
In the second teleconference we discussed the results of the site
inspection. The financial committee, based on the works of inspection term, 
on the site and off the site, concluded that the accounting situation is
extremely chaotic in HQ for the last year. 

	There is no financial statement to explain a large proportion of 
IFCSS' expenditure, estimated up to 0.23 million us dollar which is over
half of IFCSS' revenue last fiscal year.

	Since there is no record for such big portion of total expenditure, No
further conclusion can be made about any thing at this point of time.
However other financial misconducts are also uncovered during this day
and half inspection, such as, treasurer misusing IFCSS check to pay her own
rental, two pay days are observed in some months, several missing checks
are without proof of cancellation and so on so forth.  

	Please note, we have been paying 20.000 us dollar every year hired a
professional accountant. Sloppiness and inefficiency are evident in her
work that had reseached  a level of extreme! When we were in D.C. to conduct
the site inspection in November, She has not done bookkeeping for two months.
there is no journal for September and October. The only daily work that
she is paid for to do is typing the checks to a Lotus 123 accounting
program in computer. The check number almost never exceeds 10, and for most
the days there is none ( the only exceptions that we observed are the days
right after 5th congress which have more than 10 checks/day ). 	Bin Qi and
I went through all the checks and journal for three months in one 
afternoon, which means three months of her work can be done by two layperson 
in 4 hours, if you really work hard. And she has not even get these job done! 
	Another part of her job that she is paid for is to give a financial
statement every three months, that will COMPILE all the checks that she
entered in the program. So we can make sense out of it. What she has done
for that? As we already said, if we add the numbers in her financial
statement of last year, we can not come up with the number of total revenue
which is about 400 thousand.  Record of 230 thousand is missing. We do not
know what the hell happen to this sum of money. There are piles of receipts that
she claims are of all the records. There is simply no way we can go
through that. With such a big portion missing, the rests of the financial 
statements are more likely to be meaningless. that is why we still have not 
file the tax for last year which is long, long due.
	So, what left for us? Since she is obviously not doing her job.( At
this point I am not sure whether she is still receiving salary.) We now have
to hire a CPA to RE-COMPILE the record, to redo the job our treasurer has not
done. If we are lucky, if the the checks and journals she entered are
faithful and complete, then we hopefully can get the financial
statements from the CPA and file the taxes at an extra cost. 

	 Lets look how much a reputed  accounting firm will charge to do the
job for us, A LITTLE OVER TWO THOUSAND A YEAR! Folks,  Are we fools or not?
The best accounting firm that has bidded this job, the Myint & Butua and
Cohen Rutherford Blum & Scott, PC, Certified Public Accountants gave us an
offer as following:

               1993   $ 2325
               1994   $ 2225
               1995   $ 2450
           ---------------------
               total  $ 6675

For $ 6675 in total, we are set for three years! 

	 My fellow students and scholars, the choice in front us is
crystal clear. These si nithignthat we can argue about. the real
question is hy we making these kind mistakes and who made us to make
these kind mistakes? For the ones that attended 5th congress we will all
remember the person lied to all of us loud and shamelessly about the workload
and quality of this treasurer. And those persons also have unescapable
responsibility for these terrible mistakes. 

	For our money, we can afford the best we can get! Cost is not a
issue in selecting who we want to work for us. Several hundred dollars more
expensive is not going to to break us.  We are paying hundred thousand
more for compromising the excellence of the work. And these is no
deadlines that we need to rush either. Council received the notification of
CPA bidding in Jan 10, 1994. and also notified at the same
time unconstitutionally that if there is no resolution has been passed about 
bidding before Jan. 14, 1994,(which is  today by the way) in a e-mail 
conference which was  scheduled to start at 6 pm Jan. 13, 1994, but not 
started yet, or may ever start, THE HQ WILL PROCEED TO SELECT THE CPA THAT 
THE HQ RECOMMENDED!  

	Lets look who our HQ recommeded and why? Jeff Lin is a CPA that did
the tax for IFCSS two year ago. That is when there was no good financial
record keeping in IFCSS.  And  this good CPA helped us to file our tax.
We are rather grateful for that. But we should move on. The situations
that happened in the earlier years should not be happening again. Covering
will kil the organization after all. We must not doing that again. Are there
any other reason, that make this CPA stand out? If we read his proposal
careful enough there is sentence as following: " If management has elected
to omit substantially all of the disclosure and statement of cash flows
required by general accepted accounting principle........,  Another
statement will be included....".  Aha! He offered that the management, 
which in our case is HQ, a electing to omit substantially the information
that are required by general accepted accounting principle. What kind
choice is that? We are now facing a financial "myth" that we can not figure
out. Are we willing to pay to get another financial "myth"? Certainly not.
In the contrary, the Myint & Butua presented  a 4000 words proposal and
offered a three year plan to work with us, and help to professionalizing
this organiztion. Who would have any confusion in kselecting between these
two firms. 

	In this whole process, there are many questions that have been
perplexing me. Why some people in our organization so unwilling to do
things in a better and more effcient way? Why are the people work in this HQ
willing to risk being suspected by the students and scholar community
and do not avoid this situation of conflict of interest. I sincerly ask
everybody, help me out on these questions.



Council members, Please vote no to Jeff Lin and yes to Myint & Butua and Cohen
Rutherford Blum & Scott, PC, Certified Public Accounting. See how many
people we can get for our money to work for us by selecting the later.




                                                         Cheng Liu    



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>From: Hongguang Zhou <labhgz@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>
Subject: The Follow-up(1) of the Open Letter
To: ifcss <council-l@ifcss.org>, ifcssvc@ifcss.org, svc93@ifcss.org
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>From:	5th IFCSS Council Finance Committee
	Signed by Zhou Hongguang for FC

To:	5th IFCSS Council

Cc:	5th IFCSS SVC

Date:	1/15/94

RE:
		      The Follow-up (1) of the Open Letter


Dear IFCSS Council members & CSSs:


	The IFCSS Council Finance Committee is glad to have observed active 
responses from people with concerns. We believe, with positive attitude,
progress will be achieved toward the direction of professionalizing IFCSS, 
though it is painful.

	Considering the reactions from the reading of the Open Letter, the 
Finance Committee deems it necessary to provide the readers with some footnotes 
to reaffirm the purpose of the letter.

1. The purpose of the Open Letter is to ask accounting questions pertinent to
the accounting irregularities that resulted in the disappearance of some fund
in the Financial Statements of Fiscal Year 1992-93 and 1993-94 (1st Quarter).
It is limited in the material effect of fair presentation of the financial 
statements. It is not the intent of the Council Finance Committee to imply
any charge against anybody. Any interpretation, if not distortion, of
this nature is purely, as some reader pointed out early, self-imagination,
which is beyond the duty and control boundary of this Committee. The
Finance Committee believes that it is up to the treasurer of the IFCSS to
PROVE BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBTS.

2. The Finance Committee believes that it faithly executed its responsibilities
to carry out the resolution passed in the IFCSS Council's first conference. 
This resolution authorized this Committee to inspect the IFCSS's financial
operation and see to it that all the financial activities are in accord with
the rules and regulations. 

	The Open Letter, as a part of the inspection report, is a natural 
outcome  of the Committee's inspection and supervision. Reflecting the
reality and raising the questions are inherent in the Committee's routine
procedure and protected by the IFCSS's Consitution and the by-laws. The
Open Letter, wholely as a working  report to the Council and the public,
was never intended, nor did it ever pretend to be a conclusive evaluation
or the end summary of the IFCSS's financial activities. In fact, it is only
a beginning. With this in mind, the burden of proof is on the treasurer as
to how well those questions are chosen to be answered to. IT IS NEVER WRONG
TO ASK QUESTIONS.

3. IFCSS, as an organization of not pursuing profit and representing the 
interests of the Chinese students and scholars in the U.S.A., should and must
provide access to the public regarding its financial management. The public
has the right to be informed about how the fund is used, and the Finance
Committee takes the provision of public information as an obligation to the
PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO KNOW. 

4. The title of "Possible IFCSS Financial Scandal: Missing $0.23 Million" is 
not the original part of the Open Letter. Therefore, the Council Finance 
Committee is not responsible for any kind of effects such as speculation that 
may have been caused by it.

	To be responsible to the Council and the public, this Committee does
not approve any simple addition of the numbers shown in the Open Letter in that
it does not serve but defeat the auditing objective of clerical accuracy. Since
the numbers are interdependent to affect the debits and credits in
transactions, any inclination to add up these figures into a total or to do
calculation based upon the total would not reveal but mislead. This is why
the Committee raised three questions separately.

5. The fiscal year (FY) of IFCSS is from July 1 to June 30 each calender year. 
End Balance means any excess fund by the date of June 30. Any Beginning Fund 
Balance (the carryover from the remaining fund) starts as of July 1 of every
new fiscal year. Since IFCSS budget is also made based on the fiscal year, the 
same fiscal year applies to both the accounting and budgeting period. This 
hopefully answers the question of "as of what date."

	Finally, the IFCSS Council Finance Committee wishes to work closely 
with the IFCSS HQ and the CSS community in improvement of the IFCSS's
accounting and budget performance. At the same time, the Finance Committee,
once more, requires the treasurer of IFCSS to work out genuine
explanations and redo the financial statements for the sake of both IFCSS
and the community.


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>From DING@vaxld.ameslab.gov  Sun Jan 16 01:23:14 1994
Date: 16 Jan 1994 01:22:16 -0500 (CDT)
>From: DING@vaxld.ameslab.gov
Subject: My reply to IFCSS SVC's investigation (0)
To: li@calshp.cals.wisc.edu, xliu@mcs.csuhayward.edu, luo@goshawk.lanl.gov,
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Dear honorable SVC members:

In response to your call for reply to the investigation questionaire
designed by the SVC, I am sending the following several messages which
I hope will be of assistance to your investigation.

First of all, I am sorry I will not follow your questionair.
I don't think only answering to those questions would give a complete
description of the whole issue,considering its complicatedness and
controversial nature. It is my hope that an understanding of the
whole picture will be helpful to judge the appeals against me and
Zhou Hongguang.

Another important request I would like to make here is:
SVC member Luo Li-Shi should stand away from the investigation of these
cases and the decision on them. The reason is simple: he has voluntarily
involved himself in at least two of the most important occasions in
the key dispute about Mr. Bai Yan's participation in the Inspection
Team before the appeal cases were presented into the SVC.
And he has had his strongly biased opinions well before the SVC investigations
begins. That has been publicly known. (I will show you what role he has
played in the whole process in my following messages.) Considering his
deep involvement in the issue, I don't think he is still suitable 
to sit on the bench of the judges. 

In the following, I plann to provide you:

1. an unofficial record of the financial inspection;
2. Some notes on the record;
3. On Bai Yan's participation;
4. On my message to the Council on behalf of Zhou Hongguang;
5. On recent development of the issue;
6. A few words to conclude.

Due to my own busy study schedule, I may not be have all these ready
                                               ^able to
at once. I'll do my best. I understand you have set a deadline for
us to respond. I would like to ask your permission of some more time
for me to do the job.

I believe SVC as an institution will be able to make a fair judgement
on the whole issue and make a fair decision on the appeal cases,
although I do have reservations about Mr. Luo Li-Shi's impartiality.
Even about Mr. Luo Li-Shi's opinions on the issue, I respect his right
to have his own viewpoint. 


Thank you for your consideration.


Yungui Ding
Council member from Mid-West
Council co-chair

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>From dong@fuzzy.umd.edu  Sat Jan 15 23:30:59 1994
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 94 00:29:25 -0500
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Mr. Chair,

	Yesterday, I could not finish my comment of Liu Cheng's article,
especially to the point for CPA bidding. Frankly, I didn't know what to
say. I would like only debate on the point he made, but there's other thing
that really bothers me. That is, I feel Mr. Liu and also Finance Committee
is highly bias against anything HQ do now, and based on such sentiment
an objective conclusion is hard to reach.

	The arguments in Mr. Liu's article, FC's open letter and FC's appeal
to SVC is so obviously weak if not totally wrong, that I feel embarrass to 
debate against. I will just point a few more in Mr. Liu's article here.

	In the four proposals of the CPAs', I feel Jeff Lin and Cohen,etc
are really stand out. 
	I do think that of Cohen,etc. is very impressive and their writing 
is certainly the best one here. But also, their charge is the highest one.
As they claimed, and I believe, Cohen,etc. has very good reputation and does
high quality jobs.
	On the other hand, Jeff Lin has solid excellent reputation. He was
hired by NED, which is famous and which manage hundreds millions dollars
each year. If IFCSS want to apply funds from foundations such as NED, Ford,
Rockefeller, etc., an evaluation by Jeff Lin will give us a lot of help.

	I have noticed that Jeff Lin will "conduct a study of the internal
control structure of IFCSS" and "draft up an accounting policy manual",
while Cohen,etc. states that they "will not be reviewing the internal
control structure of IFCSS". This might be a big difference for us, because
I think for the future, one of the most important point to professionalize
our finance system is the internal control.

	Also, Mr. Jeff Lin offer a flat rate that let us to have better idea
for what we will get for the price we pay. The hourly rate offered by Cohen,
etc. on the other hand, could go out of hand in the worst case and we have
no control of it. (I do mean it will, but for the worst case it can.)

	From the above point, I approve the HQ's recommendation of Mr. Jeff
Lin.


	In Mr. Liu's article, he said:
liu:  For our money, we can afford the best we can get! Cost is not a
liu:  issue in selecting who we want to work for us.

We are not that rich yet. We are still trying to do many things with limited
resource. And most importantly, we do not have the right to spend money more
than necessary.

liu:  We are paying hundred thousand
liu:  more for compromising the excellence of the work.

Again, we have not find the truth about this point yet.

liu:  And these is no deadlines that we need to rush either.
liu:  Council received the notification of CPA bidding in Jan 10, 1994.

As all of you know, we have Working Meeting in Feb. 5, in order to settle
down this finance problem as soon as possible, we need to start as soon as
possible. Or do we want drag all this mess to the 6th term ?
The first memo from HQ to council of the CPA's proposal was sent to us in
"Mon, 3 Jan 1994 14:48:36". You guys really should pay some attention to
your emails.

liu:  Lets look who our HQ recommended and why? Jeff Lin is a CPA that did
liu:  the tax for IFCSS two year ago. That is when there was no good financial
liu:  record keeping in IFCSS.  And  this good CPA helped us to file our tax.
liu:  We are rather grateful for that. But we should move on. The situations
liu:  that happened in the earlier years should not be happening again. Covering
liu:  will kil the organization after all. We must not doing that again.

Tell me the "why" and tell me what is the "covering". When you said
"The situations" "should not be happening again", what situation ?
The "no good financial record keeping" or hiring Jeff Lin ? Do you know that
file tax return is different with day to day bookkeeping ? The reason
Jeff Lin helped file our 1990's tax is because, as you said, we didn't have
good book keeping for the first 2 terms. For the last two term, HQ filed the
tax return themselves because the improved book keeping.

liu:  If we read his proposal careful enough there is sentence as
liu:  following: " If management has elected
liu:  to omit substantially all of the disclosure and statement of cash flows
liu:  required by general accepted accounting principle........,  Another
liu:  statement will be included....".  Aha! He offered that the management, 
liu:  which in our case is HQ, a electing to omit substantially the information
liu:  that are required by general accepted accounting principle. What kind
liu:  choice is that?

Remember, he is not police. He can not force others to disclose information
to him. If he can not get all the documents he want, he does not want to
accuse IFCSS directly, but instead he will tell us in his own way that he 
does no see some documents. You might not agree to the words he will use,
but he will tell you the truth and it's up to council to decide what we should
do for a case like this. One option for us, if things really happen this
way, is the Council force HQ to disclose the documents, or we try to find
out why those things are none disclosable and how much. I don't understand
what is wrong with the approach.

liu:  In this whole process, there are many questions that have been
liu:  perplexing me. Why some people in our organization so unwilling to do
liu:  things in a better and more efficient way?

In a word, what you want to say is, my way is the only efficient way, isn't
it ?

liu:  Why are the people work in this HQ
liu:  willing to risk being suspected by the students and scholar community
liu:  and do not avoid this situation of conflict of interest.

I do not see any "conflict of interest" here, and I don't know why selecting
Jeff Lin make HQ suspectable. (Do you suspect NED because they hire Lin ?)

To summarize, I can not understand Mr. Liu's point. I think Cohen,,etc. is
very qualified firm. And I think Jeff Lin is a better choice.

Dong Chen

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>From DING@vaxld.ameslab.gov  Sun Jan 16 01:26:35 1994
Subject: My reply to SVC (I): an unofficial record of the whole issue
To: li@calshp.cals.wisc.edu, xliu@mcs.csuhayward.edu, luo@goshawk.lanl.gov,
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--------------- an unofficial record of the whole issue ---------------------


August 14, 1993 Council Teleconference, 1st session
   Resolution on Financial Inspection of HQ, sponsored by the Council
   Finance Committee.

   Not passed. 

August 21, 1993 Council Teleconference, 2nd session
   The resolution was reconsidered, and passed.
   (Council Resolution CP5020).

   After the first sessioin, the HQ lobbied the Council members, trying
   to block the reconsidering of the resolution, on some occation in
   some unethical ways.

   As a result of a lot pressure, the Finance Committee Chair Shen Tong
   asked to resign from the Committee and from the Chair position in the
   second session. Requested by many, she agreed to remain in the Council,
   but she since then did not want to participate in the financial 
   inspection, which she had initiated and been advocating for.

The Finance Committee began to work on the inspection after the 
   Council's first Teleconference. An Inspection Team was formed with
   Mr Zhou Hongguang as the coordinator.
   
   The IT sent the inspection agenda to the HQ on September 7, 1993.

September 22, 1993
    
   The Council sent a memo to the HQ with the signatures of Council chair
   Dong Liqun, Co-chair Ding Yungui, and IT coordinator Zhou Hongguang (DDZ).
   The memo reiterates the IT's agenda and the request for needed accounting
   records. The HQ is extemely slow to give out the record.

October 7, 1993
   The Council sent a memo to the HQ, asking the required documents,
   and informing the HQ of the delay of the on site inspection due to the
   fact that the IT lacked of needed records. 

October 24, 1993
   Zhou Hongguang sent a memo to the HQ treasurer further asking documents.

October 28, 1993 

   The HQ sent a memo to the Council, claiming that the HQ had sent
   the listed documents to the IT.

   The Council replied right away with a memo signed by DDZ, stating it
   has not received the claimed documents and asking the HQ to cooperate
   with the Council by providing needed records. A detailed list of
   requested materials was sent alnong with the memo.   

October 20, 1993
   Council Chair Dong Liqun informed all Council members of Bai Yan's
   involvement in the IT work in his message updating the Council
   work. 

October 29, 1993
   The Council issued in its newsrelease to the CSS community a call for
   expertise in accounting and financial management, to help the Council
   in the course of professionalize IFCSS's finance system. Two responses
   (including Bai Yan's) were received.

   Bai Yan, was invited to join the IT. Council chair and co-chair were 
   informed of such arrangement, and they agreed with Bai Yan's going to DC. 

November 5-7: 
   The Council IT consisting of Council members Liu Chen,
   Qi Bing, and Zhou Hongguang, and invited volunteer Mr Bai Yan,
   were in the HQ to conduct the inspection. 

   President Lin Changsheng  and SVC Coordinator disagreed with Mr. Bai Yan's 
   participation in IT and therefore access to the accounting record. 
   Their refusal reason is that HQ was not informed of in advance.  

   The Council issued another memo to HQ, signed by DDZ, on Nov 6,
   reconfirming Bai Yan is authorized to be a member in the IT, and asking
   the HQ to give him the approriate previliges as other members
   according to the IFCSS Council Financial Regulations

   After the memo and communications between the Council Chair and Mr. Lin
   and Mr. Luo, President Lin Changsheng and SVC Coordinator Luo Li-Shi
   agreed to let Bai Yan participate in the inspection. IT started its work. 

   Because most of the financial records at the HQ is in chaotic states, 
   the IT had to do bookkeeping for the treasurer. IT did complete aduditing
   on site.

   On November 7, when the IT left HQ office, a memo was left to the 
   the IFCSS treasurer, asking her to continue to provide the necessary
   materials to the Council. 

Nov 8, 1993

   Council member Ren Songlin sent a message to the Council-l, complaining
   about not being aware of Bai Yan's joining the IT. Apparently, he forgot
   the notice from Dong Liqun regarding Bai Yan's participation in IT. 
   Ding Yungui replied.

Nov ?, 1993 

  Instead of complying to the Council's Finance Committee's request, the
  treasurer chosed to send a rebuttal to the Council on November ? on 
  public net, which was later carried by CCF with a rebuttal from FC.

  The IT sent out a long progressive report to the Council-l net,
  reporting their progress in inspection.

Nov 20, 1993 Council's second Teleconference
  The Finance Committee made a progressive report of the inspection.
  Jian Zuihong was asked to explain.
  Supervisory Committee Coordinator Luo Lishi rudely questioned and
  attacked Bai Yan's personally integrity and academic qualification.
  The normal proceeding of the meeting was interrupted.

  The Finance Committeee concluded that it would continue to work on it.

December 1993, after the Teleconference:
  Ding Yungui announced FC's progress, including the intention to extend
  IT into a taskforce, on behalf of Zhou Hongguang. 
  LJH appealed against Ding Yungui in regard to task force formation.

  HQ appealed against Zhou Hongguang about the inspection issue, charging  
  Zhou Hongguang of dishonesty, and questioning Bai Yan's qualification;

  HQ publicly attacked Zhou Hongguang's personal integrity in its news
  release.

  HQ announced its plan to invite external CPA to compile IFCSS' accounting
  record. Council FC released a memo to welcome
  the positive move of HQ, and required the HQ to submit to the Council
  a timetable of the bidding and inform the Council of the procedure.

  FC announced its plan to have a second on-site inspection.

  HQ openly refuses to receive Council IT, violating the IFCSSS By-laws and
  challenging the authority of the Council.
 
  On behalf of the Financial Committee and on behalf of the Council
  Chair, Zhou Hongguang travelled to D.C. alone in the hope to
  exchange views and reach a comprimising solution.

January 1994 
  Council Finance Committee released an Open Letter about the irregularities
  exsisted in IFCSS accounting record, and urge the Council members and
  CSS' to pay attention to the IFCSS financial situation in order to 
  make the HQ open its accounting record to the Council's auditing.

  Council Finance Committee appealed to SVC on Lin Changsheng's blocking of
  financial inspection.

  SVC begins to investigate on Bai Yan's joining IT and Ding Yungui's
  announcement of the taskforce. 
  
  Li Jinghong sent more appeals to SVC on the Open Letter.

  ...


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>From labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu  Sun Jan 16 02:03:31 1994
Subject: Suggest the working/roundtable meeting be postponed
To: ifcss <council-l@ifcss.org>

Dear Colleages:

Since the weekend of Feb. 5 and 6 is the new year's eve weekend of the Srping
Festival, there will be lots of celebrations happening such as
get-togeters, party, dinner, and dancing party then here at Emory
University. Besides, the Chinese Embassdor to USA Mr. Li Dou-yu will be in
Atlanta around that weekend, I'll be actively interacting with him and his
attachee in respects of IFCSS role and the CCS community issues.

Also around that weekend, I will be in charge of a Chinese Film Review
shown on the campus, together with the local US-China Peoples' Friendship
Assocation. 

Last but not the least, according to the Chinese tradition, the Spring
Festiaval time is not good to travel out of door. So I think we should stay at
home to celebrate the Chinese New Year with our fellow country men.

Therefore, I will be not able to go DC around Feb. 5 and 6. I strong suggest
the working/round table meeting be postponed to a later date.

Thanks and regards.

Hongguang
Council Member from the Southwest 



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>From labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu  Sun Jan 16 02:22:32 1994
Subject: Memo on Selecting CPA for IFCSS Financial Engagement
To: ifcss <council-l@ifcss.org>, ifcssvc@ifcss.org, svc93@ifcss.org

Memo on Selecting CPA for IFCSS  HQ

>From: 		5th IFCSS Council Finance Committee
		signed by Zhou Hongguang for FC)

Status: 	Immedaite Release

TO:		IFCSS Council
		
CC:		IFCSS HQ 
		IFCSS Supervisory Committee

RE:		Recommendation on selecting CPA

Date:		January 15, 1994

	After having carefully reviewed the proposals from four 
CPAs for the call from the HQ regarding the compiling the 
financial statements, (please note this is NOT auditing) this IFCSS 
Council Finance Committee  would like to recommend to the Council 
that the recommendation by the HQ for Mr. Jeff W.S. Lin, CPA, 
for IFCSS financial engagement be rejected on the following grounds:

1. The bidding procedure on the open bidding

	The HQ has kept the Council in dark about the bidding 
procedures. The HQ began to take action to contact CPAs for 
open bidding only after the first on-site inspection by the Council 
Financial Inspection Team. On December 12, 1993, the Council and its 
Finance Committee welcome in the Council News Release 
CN5006 the move by the HQ and requested the HQ to provide 
necessary information regarding the bidding process. In spite 
of the Council's requirement, the HQ has never provided the 
demanded information such as timetable. Only until January 
10, 1994, the HQ issued a statement which sounds like an ultimatum 
without any elaboration on the OPEN bidding procedures. Given 
the circumstances, the Finance Committee cannot but to reject 
any possible recommendation by the HQ for any CPAs.

2. Scope of the bidding invitation

	The open bidding is not PUBLIC enough. Only four out of 
thousands of registered CPAs in the Greater Washington, DC area have 
responded to the bidding calls from the HQ. Since HQ has never 
substantially informed the Finance Committee of the 
development on the bidding invitation, this Committee can only 
conclude that the so-called open bid for the IFCSS financial 
engagement is not open enough. Given this conditions, the 
Finance Committee deems it impossible to make fair 
recommendation out of the four CPAs proposed by the HQ for 
the open bidding of IFCSS.

3. The bidding reviewing process

	The HQ misled the attention of the Council to the 
reviewing process in its recommendation for Mr. Lin, CPA as 
the IFCSS financial engagement , claiming the service and 
charges by Mr. Lin is better choice. However, in his only two-
and a-half-page bidding letter, Mr. Lin himself states his flat 
fees of $1,500 is based ONLY on:

"If management elects to omit substantially all disclosures, and
statement of cash flows, I will include an additional paragraph
that will read as follows:

          Management has elected to omit substantially all of the
          disclosures and statement of cash flows required by
          generally accepted accounting principles. If the
          omitted disclosures and statement of cash flows were
          included in the financial statement, they might
          influence the user's conclusions about the Company's
          financial position, results of operations, and cash
          flows. Accordingly, these financial statements are not
          designed for those who are not informed about such
          matters."

The Finance Committee has failed to understand why the HQ 
insists that  "This ( refers to Mr. Lin's profile closely fits to 
the need of IFCSS) is clearly reflected in his proposal, which we 
think is the best among the four (CPAs)". Instead of seeing 
clearly any commitment to provide a clear picture of the IFCSS 
financial situation, the Finance Commitee can only see that Mr. 
Lin charges $1,500 for doing simplified and compromised quality 
work for the IFCSS -- by omitting the Cashing Flow and other forms.

In contrast, Cohen, Rutherford, Blum & Schott, PC in their eight-
page bidding letter states in detail of their objectives and 
commitment to the IFCSS financial engagement for at least three 
years' run. They also provide the plan on how to proceed their 
engagement for IFCSS. They do charge fees higher than that Mr. Lin 
claims but with assured quality. They also leave the door open for 
further price negotiation. The Finance Committee again has failed 
to understand why the Cohen and associates should not be the best 
choice among the four CPAs suggested by the HQ.
	
4. Deadline

	The "deadline" set by the HQ in its January 10, 1994 
Announcement ("if the Council is unable to reach a vote or 
verdict by January 14th, the HQ will proceed as this memo has 
recommended while continuing to seek the Council's endorsement" ) 
is totally UNACCETABLE. It is beyond the imagination that, under 
the Maryland Cooperation Laws that, the executive branch of a non-
profit organization like the IFCSS HQ to order its Board of 
Trustees or Directors like the IFCSS Council to do something by 
certain date and take action on its own recommendation without 
approval of the Council. And it is also unlawful. Even the HQ had 
provided all necessary information on the bidding procedures and 
made unbiased recommendation, the demand by the HQ on the Council 
to make a decision within FOUR days' time is absolutely 
unreasonable.

	Nevertheless, in case the Council has to make a decision 
under above-mentioned conditions, the Finance Committee would 
recommend that the Cohen, Rutherford, Blum & Schott, PC be the CPA 
for the IFCSS financial engagement.

	As the financial watchdog of the IFCSS Council, the Finance 
Committee deems it that it is its responsibility to remind the HQ 
as follows:
	
	If the HQ takes any action on CPA without the Council's 
decision based on the recommendation by the Finance Committee, the 
HQ must bear any subsequent responsibilities and consequences of 
both the IFCSS Constitution and By-laws and legality under US laws.


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>From bgqi@medinfo.rochester.edu  Sun Jan 16 14:27:34 1994
Subject: from Qi, Bing: supporting Liu, Chen's letter

Dear council members:


I totally agree with Liu Chen's letter about the selection of CPA recompilation. 
What he's written out is just the same experience and suspicion I've been 
undergoing at the inspection in D.C.and afterwards. I'd like to bring your 
attention to following two points which I want to emphasize:

1/ What the HQ is bidding for is a CPA to redo (!) what HQ treasurer should have  
   done as his or her job, which we pay $12,000 each year.  This is only the 
   first for a good accounting. We are still away from CPA-auditing.
   
2/ As Liu Chen said in the letter, we are not choosing somebody to cover up or 
   make up. We just don't want the accounting of IFCSS the same messy and 
   questionable as before!  What we want to stuggle for is a more professionized 
   and therefore better IFCSS, instead of saving the old habit of keeping 
   everything in the dark to the public, just as  what we've been coming to the 
   US for is to learn how a system works instead of warming up dirty political 
   tricks for the next generation China.
   
Thank you!

Qi, Bing

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>From dlq@u.washington.edu  Sun Jan 16 22:30:07 1994
Subject: To Cancel the Proposed e-mail Meeting.
To: IFCSS Council <council-l@ifcss.org>
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To: IFCSS Council Members, IFCSS HQ
>From: Liqun Dong, Chairperson of IFCSS Council

Until now, more than 75 hours passed after the scheduled openning-time of 
the e-mail meeting, only nine (9) of our sixteen (16) councils have 
informed me their attendance of the meeting through some kinds of 
methods. They are Chen Dong, Ren Songlin, Zhang Li, Xu Datong, Liang Er, 
Fan Hongran, Zhang Feng, Wang Jing, and Dong Liqun. Unfortunately, this 
number (9) is less than the quorum required. So, I have to cancel the 
proposed meeting.

Meanwhile, some councils have expressed their strong concern on the 
consequences of the Finance Committee's open letter. I hope the Finance 
Committee can seriously consider others' opinions before any further 
action is taken.


Liqun Dong (signed)
Chairperson of IFCSS Council

[commend from Dong Chen]
I disagree with Liqun's call.
First, Wang Yu, Shao Qin IS on the line, which make 11 of 16 members
	explictly expressed sign on the meeting.
Second, Qi Bin, Liu Cheng, Zhou Hongguang, Ding Yungui is avtively on
	the same line at the same time, which make them effectively in
	the meeting, unless they denounce so.
Third, from Robert's Rule page 180, the last paragraph,
	"The presiding officer at a meeting shouldn't take the chair until
	a quorum is present unless there's no hope of a quorum attending.
	Then no business can be transacted except to Adjourn (section 11).
	If no one objects, debate may continue, but the only vote that may
	be taken is the one for adjourn."
	1. Liqun haven't  had the chance to take the chair,
	2. No vote for adjourn had been called,
	3. I expressed my objection to adjourn after I learnt Liqun's
 	   decision when I called Liqun,
	4. The quorum was actuall reached later.


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[commend from Dong Chen]
	Council have never been informed and never authorized the release
	of so called "CN5006".

>From labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu  Mon Jan 17 00:33:18 1994
Subject: IFCSS Council NR CN5006: Professionalization of Accounting System (fwd)
To: ifcss <council-l@ifcss.org>, ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU, ifcssvc@ifcss.org,
Status: R

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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 01:47:49 CST
>From: IFCSS Council Chair <chair@ifcss.org>
To: human-net@virginia.edu
Subject: IFCSS Council NR CN5006: Professionalization of Accounting System

****************************************************************************

                 IFCSS Council News Release CN5006
                        December 12, 1993 

****************************************************************************

>From: Council Finance Committee (Zhou Hongguang, signed)
To:   IFCSS Council
Cc:   IFCSS HQ, IFCSS SVC
Subj: Professionalization of IFCSS Accounting System
Date: December 11, 1993


The Council's Finance Committee has been working hard to push IFCSS'
financial management into a professional level since the beginning of 
this term. In the first Teleconference of the Council, the Finance
Committee proposed a bill to the Council, which later became a resolution,
to carry out a financial inspection of the IFCSS HQ. After the 
Teleconference, the Finance Committee formed an Inspection Team headed
by Mr. Zhong Hongguang to work on the inspection. The Team examined the
accounting records made available to the members by the HQ, and arranged
for four members to conduct an on-site inspection of the HQ in the weekend
of November 5.

Due to many reasons, the Inspection Team was not, and is still not, able 
to obtain all the necessary materials from the HQ to complete the mission
of financial inspection in the first trip. Our examination of the
accounting records has indicated many aspects in the IFCSS accounting
system that need improving. In the second Teleconference of the Council,
the Finance Committee gave a progressive report of the inspection to the
Council.

It has been clear that the IFCSS accounting system and IFCSS' general
financial management is one of the key areas that will define IFCSS'
professional operation, the Finance Committee is determined to continue
its effort to push it into the right direction. Currently, while we
continue examining the IFCSS HQ accounting records, we have also been 
in contact with some professional accounting firms to consider future
possible CPA auditing. We will keep you updated as we go along.

This work is a difficult task for the Council, and it is a challenge that
IFCSS must face. During our work, we have received tremendous support
from our colleagues in the Councils, IFCSS veterans, and many
ordinary CSS who are concerned about the future of IFCSS, which we 
appreciate so much. We are also happy to say that our work has broken a
path for IFCSS to move along toward professionalism.

We have noticed that the IFCSS HQ has also taken measures to invite CPA
offices to audit IFCSS' accounting records. The Finance Committee is
pleased to see such positive reactions from the IFCSS HQ. We believe it
is a right direction towards a professional accounting system for IFCSS.

The Finance Committee, while playing the role on behalf of the Council to
supervise the IFCSS accounting practice and financial management, will
appreciate the maximum cooperation of the HQ in regard of the inspection
and auditing. We expect the HQ to set, and submit to the Council, a
timetable of the proposed open bidding for CPA auditing and its development
as well. Meanwhile, the Finance Committee continues to urge the Inspection
Team on making greater efforts to proceed its internal inspection as planned.

Again, IFCSS' professionalization is far from easy an task, and the
concern and support from as many people as possible are mostly needed.
If you have ideas or comments on this matter, please feel free to let
us know.



From dong  Wed Jan 19 03:57:27 1994
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[commend from Dong Chen]
	Look at the damage of an irresponsible action.

>From labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu  Mon Jan 17 22:53:33 1994
Subject: Possible IFCSS Financial Scandal: Missing $0.23 Million (fwd)
To: ifcss <council-l@ifcss.org>, ifcssvc@ifcss.org, svc93@ifcss.org

The following is a msg appeared on the Chinese Student and Scholar Union
at Emory net. The name of the author is abscured on the request of the
author. Also the forwarding itself does not mean I agree or disgree to the
opinion expressed in the forwarded msg.

Thanks and regards,
Zhou Hongguang
IFCSS Council Member from the Southwest

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>From: xxxxxx xxx <xxxxxxxxx@unix.cc.emory.edu>
To: china@unix.cc.emory.edu
Subject: Possible IFCSS Financial Scandal: Missing $0.23 Million

Dear and poor Chinese fellows,
	What do you think about this. My opinion is that it's quite NORMAL
for the Chinese "politicians".
	Be care everybody, REN BU WEI JI, TIAN ZHU DI MIE. That the chinese
phylosophy which has no relation with communist or not.

	Happy holiday. (MLK's day)
					xxxxxxx



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>From labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu  Tue Jan 18 00:07:49 1994
Subject: Re: Rules are more important.
To: Xu Yi <XUY%UCONNVM.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>
Cc: ifcss <council-l@ifcss.org>, Dear Vets <ifcssvc@ifcss.org>

Mr/Ms. Xu Yi:

Thank you for your attention concern over the fate of IFCSS.

Seems you are a IFCSS Vet, I would like to your help me with one
question:

Ever since the founding of the IFCSS, IFCSS has claimed in its
Constitution to represent all CSS in USA. 

If the IFCSS cannot present a clear finacnial book of the public funds,
which is under the trustee of the IFCSS, to the CSS,-- as a matter of fact
it is unfortunately the case now---, how can the IFCSS still claims to be
the organization for those CSS? If it violates some "regulations"
simply because of letting the CSS public know what they should know and
they must be informed of---the picture of the IFCSS HQ financial situation,
one cannot but ask why you IFCSS officials are so feard to let us, the average
CSS for whom you claim to represent know that? 

And why you, the Council Members, the Legal Persons of the IFCSS (please
refer to the IFCSS Constitution and the Maryland Corporation Law),
epsecially the those members who serve on the Finance Committee--" the
Financial Watchdog of the IFCSS Council", try so hard to keep us CSS from
knowing what's really going on with IFCSS?

If it is that case, the fate of IFCSS is really worriedsome. What do you
think?

Thanks and reagrds,

Zhou Hongguang
5th IFCSS Council Member from the Southwest

On Mon, 17 Jan 1994, Xu Yi wrote:

> Dear friends,
>     I have been listening to all the debate silently (sorry for the silence).
> However, I now feel the obligation to say a few words.
>     Much of the debate has been focused on the content of the open letter
> by the Council Financial Committee. I think what is more at stake is whether
> the IFCSS Constitution and bylaws and the Council bylaws were violated by
> those of the FC members responsible for the open letter. The FC, as a sub-
> committee of the Council, has no right whatsoever to act as an entity
> independent of the Council. In a case of Counsitiution violation as severe
> as this one, those who were responsible should be disciplined.
>     We have been too used to do and judge things based solely on truth values.
> The essence of democracy is play by the rules. If we can't guarentee that
> rules are seriously followed, there will be no future for IFCSS.
>     I do not mean to say that truth is not important. It is. However, the
> current crisis is a result of rule violation, rather than simple mis-
> interpretation of the truth.
> 
> Xu Yi




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>From DING@vaxld.ameslab.gov  Tue Jan 18 12:26:53 1994
Subject: My reply to SVC (II): some notes on the record of the whole process
To: svc93@ifcss.org
Cc: li@calshp.cals.wisc.edu, xliu@mcs.csuhayward.edu, luo@goshawk.lanl.gov,
        kz5@umail.umd.edu, ding@vaxld.ameslab.gov, council-l@ifcss.org,
        midwest@ifcss.org

My reply to SVC (II): Some notes on the record

Yungui Ding


1. The whole process: A simple thing is not simple

Should it have been a simple thing from the very beginning? Yes, it should.

The Council's Finance Committee (FC) proposed a bill to the Council to conduct
an inspection of the HQ's financial record and property list in order to
asses the current situation of IFCSS' management and to submit to the Council
any recommendations to professionalize IFCSS's accounting practice.

It is a normal internal auditing procedure, it is a normal business, and it
is a normal operation. Normally, the bill is passed or rejected. If the bill
is passed, the FC would be authorized to conduct the inspection. If some 
FC members are too busy to go, others could help. If the FC considers 
necessary to have someone in the team having experience/expertise in accounting
it would be fine to call for and invite some more volunteers. It would not
be hard for the HQ to cooperte: just open the accounting books to the
Council' tema for inspection. Nobody would expect it to be perfect considering
that most workers of IFCSS are on volunterr or partial-volunteer basis. 
The FC then would give its report to the Council after the inspection process
is finished and probably some recommendations on how to improve the current
system and practice. Then the Council may consider the results and the 
suggestions, and may further pass some bill on financial regulations.

It could be so normal, and it could be so simple.

It was actually so normal a business that in the first session of the
Council's first Tele-Conference that most of the Council members did not
even pay much attention to the bill, which was initiated by Council FC
Chair Shen Tong and sponsored by the FC, although there was a
good debate on it. The bill was NOT passed due to too many absteins, with
very few strong yeah's or nay's.

The bill was reconsidered one week later (8/21/93) in the second session of
the Conference, and it was easily passed this time. Of course the more time
for the Council members to digest the bill and the whole situation helped
the re-consideration and the passing of the bill, but some political
manuvour that was intended to block the bill's reconsideration might have
contributed more to the situation.

Things seemed to become not that simple.

The bill was not passed without expense. The FC Chair, the initiator and
advocator of the bill, Council member Shen Tong had to ask to resign from
both the FC and the Council. She only agreed to stay in the positions upon
the request of many Council colleagues. 

Even so, things could still have been as simple as the business is.

Unfortuantely, what has come out is not what we could have imagined. 
The date of the on-site inspection had to be postponed again and again
due to the difficulty the FC had encountered to get needed materials
from the HQ. 

The inspection team (IT) finally got to the HQ offics on 11/6 to conduct
the on-site inspection. It could not start the work at the beginning due to
the questioning and blocking of an invited volunterr Bai Yan by President
Lin Changsheng and SVC Coordinator Mr. Luo Li-Shi. The disagreement was 
resolved on site after the communications among the Council Chair, IFCSS
President, IFCSS SVC Coordinator and members of the IT.

However, this issue somehow came up alive again and again later in the
process, being used as an excuse to block any further progress of the 
inspection, and finally making things into an extreme case.

Why and how did such a normal operation become so complicated?



2. Who is doing the work, who is making trouble

Thess questions are for the SVC and the CSS community to answer.
Take a look of the whole procedure, and note the key difficult 
points along the way. I believe you will find the answer.

>From the side of the Council's work, I just notice this:

   Shen Tong, initiator of the bill,
              was somehow forced to withdraw from the front line;

   Zhou Hongguang, 
              FC/IT member, coordinator of IT,
              was charged of "dishonesty" among other allegations;

   Ding Yungui
              was appealed against because of making a progressive 
              update of FC' work on behalf of Zhou Hongguang.
              
I would believe these were coincidences. However, it it unfortunate that
these "coincidences" could only be very effective to stop or slow down the
inspection process, which by no means will help IFCSS to anywhere.


Yungui Ding
IFCSS Council member
from Mid-West region


From dong  Wed Jan 19 04:03:50 1994
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[comment from Dong Chen]
	What is the point ?

>From labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu  Tue Jan 18 16:56:46 1994
Subject: A reminder to Chen Dong

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>From:	IN%"shusheng@oce.orst.edu" 23-NOV-1993 15:13:21.62
To:	IN%"ccf-editor@ifcss.org", IN%"dong@wam.umd.edu"
CC:	
Subj:	RE:  CCF #9320, Nov 23: "Progress Report on IFCSS Financial Inspection"

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>From: shusheng@oce.orst.edu
Subject: RE:  CCF #9320, Nov 23: "Progress Report on IFCSS Financial Inspection"
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Dear Mr. Chen Dong,

Thank you for informing CCF of the existence of "the IFCSS Treasuer's respond
to the report".  Would you please send CCF a copy?  CCF will be pleased to
carry the story from the other side (on any issues) as long as there are such
contributions.  With the mentioned response from the Treasurer, CCF may make
a second special issue on this subject.

Best regards,

Luan Shusheng
Executive Editor, CCF

------------------------
>From dong@wam.umd.edu Mon Nov 22 23:10:47 1993
To: ccf-editor@ifcss.org
Subject: Re:  CCF #9320, Nov 23: "Progress Report on IFCSS Financial Inspection"
Dear editor,
	I am glad to see the finance report of IFCSS on CCF.
However, I am somewhat disappointed to see the IFCSS Treasuer's respond to
the report missing. Without such, reader will only get an incompleted view
of the matter. Hope you can at least include it in the next issue.

IFCSS council member
Dong Chen



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>From DING@vaxld.ameslab.gov  Tue Jan 18 20:31:06 1994
Subject: email conference
To: council-l@ifcss.org

It seems that council-l has problem theses days.
I don't know what's going on, including the called email conference.

Liqun just told me that he has called off the email conference
(on Sunday evening).

I also just talked to Chen Dong, he told me he did not know it.

Shen Tong just told me that she did not sign up.
And She also confirmed that the conferenced was cancalled by
the Chair.


Yungui 

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[comment from Dong Chen]
	Around Jan 9th, before the HQ sent out the recommendation for CPA
	bidding the second time (the first time was Jan 3), I called Liqun
	and was told he and HQ had agreed that the
	council would select a CPA by Sunday, Jan 10th. Because the council
	had not discussed the issue, I called HQ and had them postpone the
	dead line to Friday, Jan 14. That was one of the reason I initiate
	the emergent email meeting. I do not know how we could make the
	deadlines (Jan 10, Jan 14) without the meeting.
	By the rule, we still have to reconfirm the recommendation.

================================
>From dlq@u.washington.edu  Tue Jan 18 22:06:56 1994
Subject: On the CPA Selection
To: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Cc: IFCSS Council <council-l@ifcss.org>

To: IFCSS HQ
cc: IFCSS Council, IFCSS SVC
>From: Liqun Dong, Chair of IFCSS Council


I have noticed that the HQ has selected Mr. Jeff Lin, a CPA, to work on 
the IFCSS accounting system, It IS a good move ot professionalize IFCSS 
finance system. But to think about on when and how to initiate the CPA 
bid, and on teh lack of thoroughgoinh discussion among the councils, I 
have to remind HQ of that such a selection can not be treated as the 
Council's consent as whole, and that the Council will reserve its right 
to further review and debate on the procedure of the auditing, the facts 
of IFCSS finance system, and all possible results thereafter.

I hope HQ can submit the Council all the information of the auditing 
procedure and the comments and suggections from selected CPA, Mr. Jeff 
Lin as soon as possible.


Liqun Dong


From @VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU:QSHAO@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU  Wed Jan 19 10:50:03 1994
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Subject:      <vote> for [CPA], [CP5026, 5027, 5028] from Qing Shao
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Dear Friends:
     If Dong Liqun and Chen Dong agree that I have signed up for the e-mail
conference, I would like to have the right to vote.
     1. Vote for CPA -- YES.
     2. Vote for [CP5026] -- YES.
     3. Vote for [CP5027] -- YES.
     4. Vote for [CP5028] -- YES.
     Thank you very much for your attention.

From @VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU:QSHAO@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU  Wed Jan 19 10:58:11 1994
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Date:         Sun, 16 Jan 94 22:08:10 EST
>From:         Qing Shao <QSHAO@VTVM1>
Subject:      Testing
To:           IFCSS <council-l@ifcss.org>

Hi, Friends:
    This is a test for council-l.
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Date:         Sun, 16 Jan 94 22:29:33 EST
>From:         Qing Shao <QSHAO@VTVM1>
Subject:      Re: council-l
To:           "priv=-10 D.C." <dong@fuzzy.umd.edu>
In-Reply-To:  Your message of Fri, 14 Jan 94 14:10:47 -0500

Hi, Chen:
    I sent a testing message to the council-l net, but nothing happened.
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Date:         Sun, 16 Jan 94 22:38:56 EST
>From:         Qing Shao <QSHAO@VTVM1>
Subject:      Sign on <Shao Qing>
To:           Council <council-l@ifcss.org>

Dear meeting chair:
     I would like to present for the Council First E-mail Conference
starting at 3:00 p.m. PST (6:00 p.m. EST), Thursday, Jan. 13, 1994, in the
council e-mail network.
     I approve the proposed conference schedule, order and rules.

     Qing Shao (signed)
     Member of IFCSS 5th Council
     Represention Region: Mid-Atlantic (?)
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>From:         Qing Shao <QSHAO@VTVM1>
Subject:      Re: [fwd] Liuqun want to cancel the meeting
To:           "D.C." <dong@ifcss.org>
In-Reply-To:  Your message of Wed, 19 Jan 94 03:52:27 CST

Hi, Dong Liqun:
    I have signed up for E-mail Conference at least five days ago. Would
you or Chen Dong (I believe I am in his list) recheck your record and tell
me if I need to sign up again or not.
    Thank you very much!
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>From:         Qing Shao <QSHAO@VTVM1>
Subject:      <vote> for [CPA], [CP5026, 5027, 5028] from Qing Shao
To:           IFCSS <council-wn@ifcss.org>

Dear Friends:
     If Dong Liqun and Chen Dong agree that I have signed up for the e-mail
conference, I would like to have the right to vote.
     1. Vote for CPA -- YES.
     2. Vote for [CP5026] -- YES.
     3. Vote for [CP5027] -- YES.
     4. Vote for [CP5028] -- YES.
     Thank you very much for your attention.

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Hi, Dong Liqun and Chen Dong:
    Could you accept following message as the evidence that I had signed
up for the e-mail conference on Friday, Jan. 14, 1994? If you could, then
thank you very much.

Qing Shao

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Requests to listserv@ifcss.org.

Dear Friend,

                       Welcome to council-l!

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The public is welcome to sign on to this net to audit.  However, to
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The 5th IFCSS Council

From songlin@buphy.bu.edu  Wed Jan 19 11:19:45 1994
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Yes! I second Chen Dong's emergent motion.

Songlin Ren (signed)
The 5th IFCSS Council Member from Northeast


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******************************************************
	
	<<<<<<	MY   VOTE >>>>>>

******************************************************

Dear Chair and all of council memebers:

I vote YES for CPA recommendation of HQ.     
I vote YES for CP5026.     
I vote YES for CP5027.     
I vote YES for CP5028.     


Songlin Ren (Signed)
The 5th IFCSS Council Member from Northeast.
Jan. 19, 1994   

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******************************************************
	
	<<<<<<	MY   VOTE >>>>>>

******************************************************

Dear Chair and all of council memebers:

I vote YES for CM5010.     


Songlin Ren (Signed)
The 5th IFCSS Council Member from Northeast.
Jan. 19, 1994   

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 1994 20:28:30 -0800 (PST)
>From: Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
To: IFCSS Council <council-l@ifcss.org>
Cc: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject: To Cancel the Proposed e-mail Meeting.

To: IFCSS Council Members, IFCSS HQ
>From: Liqun Dong, Chairperson of IFCSS Council

Until now, more than 75 hours passed after the scheduled openning-time of 
the e-mail meeting, only nine (9) of our sixteen (16) councils have 
informed me their attendance of the meeting through some kinds of 
methods. They are Chen Dong, Ren Songlin, Zhang Li, Xu Datong, Liang Er, 
Fan Hongran, Zhang Feng, Wang Jing, and Dong Liqun. Unfortunately, this 
number (9) is less than the quorum required. So, I have to cancel the 
proposed meeting.

Meanwhile, some councils have expressed their strong concern on the 
consequences of the Finance Committee's open letter. I hope the Finance 
Committee can seriously consider others' opinions before any further 
action is taken.


Liqun Dong (signed)
Chairperson of IFCSS Council



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From: Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
Subject: 
To: Chen Dong <dong@fuzzy.umd.edu>
Cc: Ding Yungui <TWP66@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU>,
        IFCSS Council <council-wn@ifcss.org>,
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Yungui, Chen Dong, and all other Councils:

      I have not received any mail from council-wn since last October. 
Please check whether my account "dlq@u.washington.edu" is in the list or 
not. 

      Finally, we have reached the meeting quorum. But unfortunately, I 
cancelled the meeting at night of Sunday in the council-l net. There is 
no rule for us to conduct such a mass situation. I think there are two 
ways for our proposed emergency meeting: I will announce:  
  1. to re-open tonight with an extension to next Monday night 
(6:00pm PT/9:00pm ET), as I discussed with Chen Dong last night. We 
cannot close the meeting in the weekend because many of us cannot use 
computer net in the weekend.
  2. to annouce at tommorrow morning to change the meeting method from 
e-mail net to telephonr (the meeting could start at 8:00pm ET/5:00pm PT). 

      Please respond as soon as possible and let me make final decision.

      BTW, I noticed Mr. Ren Songlin has voted for all resultions 
proposed. Thanks, Songlin, your votes should be counted if the meeting 
restarts.


Liqun Dong
Chairperson of IFCSS Council

      

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Liqun: Yesterday, Shao Qing and Wang Yu have sign on the meeting. So, we
have 11 members on the meeting, it is the number of quorum.

Songlin Ren


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There are  a lot of critisizations to inspection team. Let me put some on HQ
here, please think it over.

1. The far poor cooperation the HQ offered during the inspection.

If somebody  call current situation is a total mess, HQ should hold the major
responsability for that .

2. LCS went back to China without informing council of it. 

HQ is doing  a lot of things in their own way irrespective to council.


Zhang  Feng



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I suggest continue the email meeting.

I do prefer the tele-conference, but to discuss which meeting to hold will
probably take another weeks, as we have seen it by now.

>From the council bylaw, Council Chair has the privilege to call for a meeting.
As we already have the quorum now for the email meeting now, we should we
detour for something else ?
So I suggest continue our email meeting until we see an official announce
for call for the meeting by Chair and we are ACTUALLY going to have the
teleconference. By then, we can transfer the email meeting to teleconference.

Also, below is my arguement for canceling the email meeting I posted yesterday.
------------------------
I disagree with Liqun's call.
First, Wang Yu, Shao Qin IS on the line, which make 11 of 16 members
        explictly expressed sign on the meeting.
Second, Qi Bin, Liu Cheng, Zhou Hongguang, Ding Yungui is avtively on
        the same line at the same time, which make them effectively in
        the meeting, unless they denounce so.
Third, from Robert's Rule page 180, the last paragraph,
        "The presiding officer at a meeting shouldn't take the chair until
        a quorum is present unless there's no hope of a quorum attending.
        Then no business can be transacted except to Adjourn (section 11).
        If no one objects, debate may continue, but the only vote that may
        be taken is the one for adjourn."
        1. Liqun haven't  had the chance to take the chair,
        2. No vote for adjourn had been called,
        3. I expressed my objection to adjourn after I learnt Liqun's
           decision when I called Liqun,
        4. The quorum was actuall reached later, so there was hope.

          __                                         Mail address:
   ______/ /301-405-5025(O)____301-314-9437(fax)     Dong Chen
  / ____/ /_  ___  ___    / __ \____  ___  ____(C)   LPR, Univ. of Maryland
 / /   / __ \/ _ \/ _ \  / / / / __ \/ _ \/ __ \     College Park, MD 20742
/ /___/ / / /  __/ // / / /_/ / /_/ / // / /_/ / Email: dong@umiacs.umd.edu
\____/_/ /_/\___/_//_/ /_____/\____/_//_/\__  /  "Do you know why communist
 __________________________________________/ /    can not be a good C++
/___________________________________________/     programer ?"   --D.C.


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Status: RO

Mr. Chair,
	Xu Datong asked me to cast his vote for him last night,

	1.      [CM5010] postpone meeting deadline to Saturday
	  yes
	2.      CPA proposal by HQ
	  yes
	3.      [CP5026] temporally inactive Finance Committee
	  yes
	4.      [CP5027] amendment to council bylaw
	  yes
	5.      [CP5028] open the "finance-net"
	  yes
          __                                         Mail address:
   ______/ /301-405-5025(O)____301-314-9437(fax)     Dong Chen
  / ____/ /_  ___  ___    / __ \____  ___  ____(C)   LPR, Univ. of Maryland
 / /   / __ \/ _ \/ _ \  / / / / __ \/ _ \/ __ \     College Park, MD 20742
/ /___/ / / /  __/ // / / /_/ / /_/ / // / /_/ / Email: dong@umiacs.umd.edu
\____/_/ /_/\___/_//_/ /_____/\____/_//_/\__  /  "Do you know why communist
 __________________________________________/ /    can not be a good C++
/___________________________________________/     programer ?"   --D.C.


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Mr. Chair,
	Here is my vote
1.      [CM5010] postpone meeting deadline to Saturday
  yes
2.      CPA proposal by HQ
  yes
3.      [CP5026] temporally inactive Finance Committee
  yes
4.      [CP5027] amendment to council bylaw
  yes
5.      [CP5028] open the "finance-net"
  yes
          __                                         Mail address:
   ______/ /301-405-5025(O)____301-314-9437(fax)     Dong Chen
  / ____/ /_  ___  ___    / __ \____  ___  ____(C)   LPR, Univ. of Maryland
 / /   / __ \/ _ \/ _ \  / / / / __ \/ _ \/ __ \     College Park, MD 20742
/ /___/ / / /  __/ // / / /_/ / /_/ / // / /_/ / Email: dong@umiacs.umd.edu
\____/_/ /_/\___/_//_/ /_____/\____/_//_/\__  /  "Do you know why communist
 __________________________________________/ /    can not be a good C++
/___________________________________________/     programer ?"   --D.C.


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Status: RO

Mr. Chair,
	Liang Er ask me to cast his vote as,

1.      [CM5010] postpone meeting deadline to Saturday
  yes
2.      CPA proposal by HQ
  yes
3.      [CP5026] temporally inactive Finance Committee
  yes
4.      [CP5027] amendment to council bylaw
  yes
5.      [CP5028] open the "finance-net"
  yes
          __                                         Mail address:
   ______/ /301-405-5025(O)____301-314-9437(fax)     Dong Chen
  / ____/ /_  ___  ___    / __ \____  ___  ____(C)   LPR, Univ. of Maryland
 / /   / __ \/ _ \/ _ \  / / / / __ \/ _ \/ __ \     College Park, MD 20742
/ /___/ / / /  __/ // / / /_/ / /_/ / // / /_/ / Email: dong@umiacs.umd.edu
\____/_/ /_/\___/_//_/ /_____/\____/_//_/\__  /  "Do you know why communist
 __________________________________________/ /    can not be a good C++
/___________________________________________/     programer ?"   --D.C.


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Liqun, 

I think it is better to call teleconference.


Yungui

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Liqun and other colleagus,

The called email conference is in a messy situation.

1. the quorum became enough after Liqun called it off.

2. While nobody called a roll, I only see Mr Ren Songlin posted
   a list of sign-ups.

3. While Liqun is considering how the conference should be
   held, and is obviously not chairing the meeting,
   Chen Dong seems to be the one in the chair's position
   to make all the announcements and requirements,
   Should Liqun be the Chair to make things proceed,instead of other
   Council members?

4. It is not a good thing to move the Council discussion from
   council-l to council-wn.
   We have seen Chen Dong forwarding all kinds of messages to
   council-wn, with HIS OWN words ahead and his own titles.
   That is sometimes very misleading.
   Dong is also fowarding votes for others. 

Considering such situations, let's wait for Liqun's decision 
and don't assume the email conference is going on.


Yungui

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From: Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Shen Tong's Phone number (temoproray)
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Here is Shne Tong's phone number and she asked me to post it on council net:

708-637-0320


Liqun


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Subject: [discussion]<Chen Dong> Re: HQ's operation
Status: RO

I agree with what Zhang Feng posted.
After reviewing the whole event unfolded so far, I am unsatisfied with HQ
for many of its handling of the matter. 

HQ could cooperate much better, and communicate with our council members
more often. Their side should take some responsibility for the mess now.
And future HQ should learn the lesson.

	Meanwhile, even I viewed a lot of HQ's action non-professional, but
not yet be able to find them violent any rule explictly (this might be still
debate-able and we should investigate further in the future).

	However the HQ had done, though, it gives no right for our council
members to violent the rule ourselves. Within the system, we have formal
procedures to solve the dispute. But these important links are missing. Worst,
the rule violentions just went too far later on. Here's the simplified
conversation between me and Hongguang last night. I take fully responsiblity
for what I post here.

Chen Dong:	Did you sign on the meeting ? I notice you are actively on
		network, maybe you just forgot to send a formal sign on
		letter.
Zhou Hongguang:	[do not want to admit, but finally said] I did not sign on.
C:	The bylaw requires every council member to attend the meeting.
Z:	Dong Liqun called off the meeting.
C:	If you signed on, then we had the quorum, and the meeting won't be
	called off. What about before Liqun called off ?
Z:	I did not received the call for emeeting, the council network
	wasn't working.
C:	I also send a personal mail to you of the package.
Z:	I didn't receive it.
C:	I called you before the meeting start, and informed you in person.
Z:	It was early at the morning, I don't remember what we said.
[later after awhile, the same argue came back again]
C:	(something like no attending the meeting is violent the bylaw)
Z:	You have no right to impeach me.
C:	I didn't say I will impeach you now, I just tell you how serious
	you actions are.
Z:	Look at how stupid you are. What public image you think we will get
	when you proposed your resolutions.
C:	I welcome openly debate about my resolution. You can debate again
	and vote again my resolutions.
Z:	I am not going to vote.
C:	Can we openly confront about what we talked about tonight ?
Z:	I didn't say anything tonight.
C:	Then can I ask you again about these question ?
Z:	I don't need to talk to you.
C:	Fine, bye.


Now the nature question is what is the right way to solve the dispute ?
Here's outline of what I think we should have done:
	1. FC investigate the whole issue
	2. Report to council about the difficulty and the primer result
	3. Council issue resolutions if necessary
	4. (If HQ still not cooperate) Council appeal to SVC
	5. SVC and Council order HQ to follow the procedure
	6. (if still not resolved) SVC and Council gives a report to CSS
	   and possiblly call for impeachment of HQ.

Look at what we did ? The FC bypassed Council to issue News Release, Open
Letters. Individule member send memos in the whole Council's name.
Invited a third party for IT and went to DC without inform other council
member. Announce an Inspection Task Froce without inform other council member.
Boycott council meeting.... This just a few serious one I picked up.

Now, dear colleagues, do we need any common rules in the Council or not ?
Do you still think the FC can work professionally with such an emotion
involved ?
Just ask yourself, what do we want to achieve this term ?
Is this what we called professionalizing IFCSS ?

At the very begining, I stated that we should handle the whole issue
professional way. I proposed to hire a CPA right between the first
tele-conference. But I was told, if we hire a CPA, we will ruin IFCSS's
reputation because there are a lot of dark side story there; we can not
afford to hire a CPA; we will be put in jail if we hire a CPA; we want
protect IFCSS's name not expose the issue to public.
And look what we got.

Think it over, please post your opinion and cast your vote.

Dong Chen,

          __                                         Mail address:
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 __________________________________________/ /    can not be a good C++
/___________________________________________/     programer ?"   --D.C.


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From: Hongguang Zhou <labhgz@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>
Subject: Who is the Council Chair?
To: ifcss <council-l@ifcss.org>, council-wn@ifcss.org
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To: IFCSS Council
>From: Zhou Hongguang, the Council Member from the Southeast
RE: Chen Dong's claim
Date: 1/19/94

Who is the Council Chair? Seems Mr Chen Dong is functioning as the Chair
by claiming the council is in meeting while Dong Liqun has called off the
meeting last Saturday, which was confirmed by Shen Tong. We are not sure
what's happened to the Council-l to which Dong Liqun sent his
announcement ( as a matter of fact, I and other members lost many
important mails after we sent them to council-l), but we do know it is who has
wildly sent numuous mails with lots of claims to the Council-l and is still
cliaming the already-called-off meeting is still on. We would like to ask
Mr. Chen Dong: Has Dong Liqun switched his resposibility of the Council
Chair to you? When? By what means? As the Chair of the Council Rules
Committee, you'd better to follow the rules.

Another thing is that I said NOTING to Mr. Chen Dong last night as he
claimed in his mail, which may be a day-dream product of his. Because I've
already learned a lesson from the fact that my previous words in a
telephone conversation with a former IFCSS officer was exploited by others,
I have never say anything over telephone to anyone who is with unnamed
motivations ever since.



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Dear Chen Dong,

I hope you are more careful when you acuse your colleagues in the Council
of so many serious "misconducts". For example, can you be sure Liqun did not
send a message to everyone about Bai Yan's in the IT well before the IT
went to DC. I would like to suggest you go back to check your email reocrd
before you make more allegations.


Yungui

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From: Hongguang Zhou <labhgz@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>
Subject: (For Your Record): Taiwan Trip, Auditing, and My Acount (fwd)
To: ifcss <council-l@ifcss.org>, council-wn@ifcss.org
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Mr. Chen Dong:

Would you please check your computer record before you accuse any of your
colleages next time. The follwing is for your record.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 22:55:27 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
To: IFCSS Council <council-wn@ifcss.org>
Subject: Taiwan Trip, Auditing, and My Acount

To All Council colleagues:

1. Taiwan Trip.  IFCSS delegates group will visit taiwan from Feb 16 to
March 2 or 3. Taiwan will pay half of airplane fee and expense in Taiwan.
And all the participators need to pay anohter half travel fee. Please send
me a mail or a fax no later than Oct 28 if you are interested in this
trip. 


2. IFCSS Accounts Auditing. I hope we can finish this tough event as soon
as possible. Yes, there might be some problems in the IFCSS financial
system and it definitely should be improved. But at first, we should find
out what and where the problem(s) is(are). The second teleconference will
be coming soon. Thanks for Qi Bing, Liu Chen, and Hongguang's hard work
and Bai Yan's help. Hopefully, we can complete the auditing soon.
--------------------

3. My E-Mail Account.I cannot assess my e-mail system normally because the
primary mail system in our uninversity is very very slow and goes down
frequently in this quarter. Sorry for having missed many of your mails
recently. I have to switch my mail account for our IFCSS affairs to
"liqun@hardy.u.washington.edu". Yungui, please replace my old account by
this one.


Best Regards,


Liqun Dong








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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 10:25:56 -0800 (PST)
>From: Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
To: IFCSS Council <council-wn@ifcss.org>
Subject: To Cancel the Proposed e-mail Meeting. (fwd)



---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 1994 20:28:30 -0800 (PST)
>From: Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
To: IFCSS Council <council-l@ifcss.org>
Cc: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject: To Cancel the Proposed e-mail Meeting.

To: IFCSS Council Members, IFCSS HQ
>From: Liqun Dong, Chairperson of IFCSS Council

Until now, more than 75 hours passed after the scheduled openning-time of 
the e-mail meeting, only nine (9) of our sixteen (16) councils have 
informed me their attendance of the meeting through some kinds of 
methods. They are Chen Dong, Ren Songlin, Zhang Li, Xu Datong, Liang Er, 
Fan Hongran, Zhang Feng, Wang Jing, and Dong Liqun. Unfortunately, this 
number (9) is less than the quorum required. So, I have to cancel the 
proposed meeting.

Meanwhile, some councils have expressed their strong concern on the 
consequences of the Finance Committee's open letter. I hope the Finance 
Committee can seriously consider others' opinions before any further 
action is taken.


Liqun Dong (signed)
Chairperson of IFCSS Council





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To:	Mr. Chen Dong, Chair of the Rules Committee

>From:	Zhou Hongguang, Council Member from the Southeast

RE:	Are you the Council's Rule Chair or the HQ's Rule Chair?

Date:	1/19/94

As the Chair of the Council Rules Committee, you have the responsiblility
of reminding the all parties concerned to follow the rules. However, you
seem very biased in practice. When the HQ refused to continued to
implement the Council's Resolution on Auditing, you should remind the HQ
of the consequences of such a act. But you have choosen to keep in silince
and never remind your colleage at the Council that that act violates the
rules of the IFCSS.

Again, Mr. Lin Changsheng did not inform of any council member before he
landed in Beijing, again, you keep silent and has not yet stand out to
point out this action is breaking the rules.

However, when the Finance Committee had to present its report to the
Council and the public, you couldn't help jumping up. You want
silince the Finance Committee without any legal bases with current IFCSS
Constitution and by-laws. 

When the authority of the Council and your colleages at the
Council is stamped down by the HQ, you feel confortable and never bother to
point out the violation of the rules. When the Finance Committee carries
out its responsibility to executing the Council's resolution by reminding the
Council and the public, who has every right to know about everything about
the IFCSS, we don't understand why you feel very uncomfortable and
deactiviate the Finance Commiittee, the financial watchdog of the Council.

Sure, we won't ask your motivation, but we would like to ask are you the
Rules Chair for the Council or for the HQ?



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>of so many serious "misconducts". For example, can you be sure Liqun did not
>send a message to everyone about Bai Yan's in the IT well before the IT
>went to DC. I would like to suggest you go back to check your email reocrd

I bring up the facts as best of my knowledge.
After Bai Yan went to D.C., HQ called me to ask why we council did inform
them. I then called Liqun. He told me he didn't know that. Later, he said
he knew Bia Yan was in the IT and involved about one weeks before. But he
stated he did not know Bia Yan was going to D.C. until the last minutes.

After I check my message, I did not see any thing Liqun post about Bai Yan,
except at a mail informed us the taiwan trip, he said he also want to
Bai Yan's help for Finance Committee.

Here is the earliest message every send to council (council-wn, council-l)
and it was from Liqun'

-------------------
>From: Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Taiwan Trip, Auditing, and My Acount
To: IFCSS Council <council-wn@ifcss.org>

To All Council colleagues:

.....

2. IFCSS Accounts Auditing. I hope we can finish this tough event as soon
as possible. Yes, there might be some problems in the IFCSS financial
system and it definitely should be improved. But at first, we should find
out what and where the problem(s) is(are). The second teleconference will
be coming soon. Thanks for Qi Bing, Liu Chen, and Hongguang's hard work
and Bai Yan's help. Hopefully, we can complete the auditing soon.

-------------------

Don't believe me. Do research yourself. And colleagues, do you remember when
was the first time you knewn about Bai Yan's involvement, and when did you
know he was in the IT, when did you know he actually went to DC.

I also  digged out some files related to IT's personal (as much as I can),
please correct me.

=====================
>From labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu  Wed Sep  1 00:20:13 1993
Subject: Inspection Agenda (Draft)
......
Proposed by Finance Committee  Drafted by Zhou Hongguang
......
2. Parties involved:
2.1     IFCSS Council: Shen Tong, Qi Bing, Zhou Hongguang
2.2     HQ:     President and Treasurer of the 4th term
                President and Treasurer of the 5th term
2.3     IFCSS SVC: one member as an observer:
.....
=====================
>From chair  Wed Sep 22 23:07:09 1993
>From:    Dong Liqun (signed), IFCSS Council Chair
         Ding Yungui (Signed), IFCSS Council Co-chair
         IFCSS Council Finance Committee (signed, Zhou Hongguang)
........
Mr. Zhou Hongguang will be coordinating the whole process of inspection.
He will contact the HQ staff for detailed arrangement of the insepction
The Council will appreciate your cooperation.
........
Enclosure:

                        Agenda
                          for
The Site Examination of IFCSS HQ Financial and Assets Situation
                           by
              IFCSS Council Inspection Team
                    September 7, 1993
Proposed by Finance Committee  Drafted by Zhou Hongguang

1. Time and Place

1.1     Time: Undecided
1.2     Place: IFCSS HQ Office, Washington, D.C.

2. Parties involved:

2.1     IFCSS Council: Shen Tong, Qi Bing, Zhou Hongguang
2.2     HQ:     President and Treasurer of the 4th term
                President and Treasurer of the 5th term
............
=========================
>From chair  Sat Nov  6 20:22:23 1993
Subject: Memo: The Council Inspection Team Has Been in D.C.
Date:  November 6, 1993

To:    IFCSS HQ
Cc:    IFCSS Supervisory Committee, council-l net

>From:  IFCSS Council
       Signed by:       Dong Liqun, Chair;
                        Ding Yungui, Co-Chair
                        Zhou Hongguang, Coordinator of the Inspection Team
Subj:  The Inspection Team Is in DC


The Council Inspection Team of 4 members have been in DC to inspect
the IFCSS HQ's accounting and property records.

Besides Council members Mr Liu Chen, Mr. Qi Bing, and Mr. Zhou Hongguang,
the Council has invited Mr. Bai Yan of Texas to join the team to provide
some technical help to the financial matters.

It is pitiful that the HQ had not been informed of the Inspection Team
composition in advance. We are sorry if that caused any inconvennience to
the process of the inspection.

The council is grateful that Mr. Bai Yan volunteers his time and expertise
to help the cause of IFCSS. While his coming to the HQ as one of the
team members, as authorized by the Council, is in compliance with the
IFCSS Financial Regulation (see article 11), we hope he will be given the
proper privilege the inspection team members are entitled.

Your continuing cooperation will be highly appreciated.
================================
>From songlin@buphy.bu.edu  Mon Nov  8 08:50:19 1993
>From:  Songlin Ren
        5th IFCSS Council Member

To:       All members of 5th IFCSS Council Member
        and
                    Dong Liqun, Chair;
                        Ding Yungui, Co-Chair
                        Zhou Hongguang, Coordinator of the Inspection Team

Subj:  PROTEST

Who has the authority to invite Mr. Bai Yan to be the team of Council? As a
Council member I do not know anything about this. The Chair and Co-Chair or
financial committee have NOT inform any Council member before the matter.
Chair and Co-Chair have NOT have such power to say "Council invite Mr. Bai
Yan" as a Financial Team. Mr. Bai Yan is NOT invited be COUNCIL !!!
It is very good for the inspection  that Mr. Bai Yan be volunteer to do this.
I am appreciate his help. BUT at least the Financial Committee or
Chair should inform all of the Council member before he come to HQ.
At this point, I am STRONG against the  action and I PROTEST the
Chair and Co-Chair and Financial Committee !!!

We should know the Chair and Co-Chair are not special member of the
Council. They only can speak out under the CouncilUs decision. The
Financial Committee is a working committee in the Council, it can not
independent to do anything. The inspection was decided by last
Teleconference, but we do not give them the rightto invite any one.

Songlin Ren
5th IFCSS Council Member
===================================


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1. I was never claimed to be the Chair.
   What I did was, as normal, prepare the package, include the resolutions,
   recommendations, meeting agenda to council member.
   It is also my duty to remind the council member of our agenda.
2. I have my right to post my discussions, comment on other's discussions.
3. I was not awear of the meeting was called off. When I learnt Liqun's call,
   I immediately expressed my objection.
   (refer to my comment about Robert's Rule on call off the meeting.)
   I didnot and do not agree the meeting is called off.
4. The council-l was not function. So I got help to dig out all the post I
   thought did not reach out other members, by went though all the archieve
   files.
5. There are no bias from my forwarding. I forwarded all the mails, include
   yours. All the forwarding are completed, they are not excerpts.
   People need hear debate from both side, not just my side.
6. Even though you do not admit we talked, my telephone bill will show that.

Let's be rational.

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Chen Dong,

Since Liqun had informed all of us in the network of Bai Yan's 
involvement in the Council's auditing work, we could not say we
did not know anything about it, could we?


Yungui

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 02:25:27 CST
>From: "D.C." <dong@ifcss.org>
To: council-wn@ifcss.org
Subject: [revised] Motion on the meeting

After talk with Liqun, I agree to amend my early motion so that it reads
we postpone the deadline of the meeting to 5:59pm Saturday, Jan 22, 1994.

=======================================

Hi, Chen Dong:

     What happens? I think what we got consistant with in last night talk 
are:
 
   1. to postpone the deadline of the meeting to Monday, Jan 24, 1994 if
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
we continue using e-mail system. Meanwhile, all councils can post their 
votes and/or debates in our council nets.
 
or
   2. to change to use telephone system if the majority likes to do that.

     So, I posted a mail to all the councils this morning to ask your 
preference. 

     All the councils who have signed on the e-mail meeting automatically 
sign on the e-mail meeting if it reopens soon. And all others welcome to 
(or should) sign on, too.


Liqun Dong
Chairperson of IFCSS Council


