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Hi, Dong Liqun:
    I have signed up for E-mail Conference at least five days ago. Would
you or Chen Dong (I believe I am in his list) recheck your record and tell
me if I need to sign up again or not.
    Thank you very much!

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Yes! I second Chen Dong's emergent motion.

Songlin Ren (signed)
The 5th IFCSS Council Member from Northeast


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******************************************************
	
	<<<<<<	MY   VOTE >>>>>>

******************************************************

Dear Chair and all of council memebers:

I vote YES for CPA recommendation of HQ.     
I vote YES for CP5026.     
I vote YES for CP5027.     
I vote YES for CP5028.     


Songlin Ren (Signed)
The 5th IFCSS Council Member from Northeast.
Jan. 19, 1994   


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******************************************************
	
	<<<<<<	MY   VOTE >>>>>>

******************************************************

Dear Chair and all of council memebers:

I vote YES for CM5010.     


Songlin Ren (Signed)
The 5th IFCSS Council Member from Northeast.
Jan. 19, 1994   


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Yes! I second Chen Dong's emergent motion.

Songlin Ren (signed)
The 5th IFCSS Council Member from Northeast



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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 20:18:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
To: Yuhe Liu <yuhe@cumulus.gcn.uoknor.edu>
Cc: DING@vaxld.ameslab.gov, dong@fuzzy.umd.edu, songlin@buphy.bu.edu,
    svc93@igfcss.org
Subject: Re: Please open the email meeting to the public

Dear Yuhe:

    Thanks very much for your concern on the proposed e-mail meeting. It 
seems obviously that the council net "council-l" doesn't run normally in 
these days. Many councils have complained that they have not received 
some mails and I have such a problem, too. To furthre consider that there 
are many councils who don't have their regular e-mail account and others 
even almost cannot access e-mail system, I've just felt that email system 
might be not an appropriate way for the 5th term council to conduct 
conference. 

    Keep in tough.


Liqun Dong




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testing for council-l

wang jing


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Liqun,

	Very good!

Wang Jing
______________________________________________________________________________

>From: Liqun Dong, Chair of IFCSS Council
> 
> 
> I have noticed that the HQ has selected Mr. Jeff Lin, a CPA, to work on 
> the IFCSS accounting system, It IS a good move ot professionalize IFCSS 
> finance system. But to think about on when and how to initiate the CPA 
> bid, and on teh lack of thoroughgoinh discussion among the councils, I 
> have to remind HQ of that such a selection can not be treated as the 
> Council's consent as whole, and that the Council will reserve its right 
> to further review and debate on the procedure of the auditing, the facts 
> of IFCSS finance system, and all possible results thereafter.
> 
> I hope HQ can submit the Council all the information of the auditing 
> procedure and the comments and suggections from selected CPA, Mr. Jeff 
> Lin as soon as possible.
> 
> 
> Liqun Dong


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yeah
--for changing e-mail meeting site to -wn

wang jing


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Subject: [revised] Motion on the meeting[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[
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> After talk with Liqun, I agree to amend my early motion so that it reads
> we postpone the deadline of the meeting to 5:59pm Saturday, Jan 22, 1994.

	I second.  

	Vote: yeah!

Wang Jing 


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I suggest continue the email meeting.

I do prefer the tele-conference, but to discuss which meeting to hold will
probably take another weeks, as we have seen it by now.

>From the council bylaw, Council Chair has the privilege to call for a meeting.
As we already have the quorum now for the email meeting now, we should we
detour for something else ?
So I suggest continue our email meeting until we see an official announce
for call for the meeting by Chair and we are ACTUALLY going to have the
teleconference. By then, we can transfer the email meeting to teleconference.

Also, below is my arguement for canceling the email meeting I posted yesterday.
------------------------
I disagree with Liqun's call.
First, Wang Yu, Shao Qin IS on the line, which make 11 of 16 members
        explictly expressed sign on the meeting.
Second, Qi Bin, Liu Cheng, Zhou Hongguang, Ding Yungui is avtively on
        the same line at the same time, which make them effectively in
        the meeting, unless they denounce so.
Third, from Robert's Rule page 180, the last paragraph,
        "The presiding officer at a meeting shouldn't take the chair until
        a quorum is present unless there's no hope of a quorum attending.
        Then no business can be transacted except to Adjourn (section 11).
        If no one objects, debate may continue, but the only vote that may
        be taken is the one for adjourn."
        1. Liqun haven't  had the chance to take the chair,
        2. No vote for adjourn had been called,
        3. I expressed my objection to adjourn after I learnt Liqun's
           decision when I called Liqun,
        4. The quorum was actuall reached later, so there was hope.

          __                                         Mail address:
   ______/ /301-405-5025(O)____301-314-9437(fax)     Dong Chen
  / ____/ /_  ___  ___    / __ \____  ___  ____(C)   LPR, Univ. of Maryland
 / /   / __ \/ _ \/ _ \  / / / / __ \/ _ \/ __ \     College Park, MD 20742
/ /___/ / / /  __/ // / / /_/ / /_/ / // / /_/ / Email: dong@umiacs.umd.edu
\____/_/ /_/\___/_//_/ /_____/\____/_//_/\__  /  "Do you know why communist
 __________________________________________/ /    can not be a good C++
/___________________________________________/     programer ?"   --D.C.



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Mr. Chair,
	Xu Datong asked me to cast his vote for him last night,

	1.      [CM5010] postpone meeting deadline to Saturday
	  yes
	2.      CPA proposal by HQ
	  yes
	3.      [CP5026] temporally inactive Finance Committee
	  yes
	4.      [CP5027] amendment to council bylaw
	  yes
	5.      [CP5028] open the "finance-net"
	  yes
          __                                         Mail address:
   ______/ /301-405-5025(O)____301-314-9437(fax)     Dong Chen
  / ____/ /_  ___  ___    / __ \____  ___  ____(C)   LPR, Univ. of Maryland
 / /   / __ \/ _ \/ _ \  / / / / __ \/ _ \/ __ \     College Park, MD 20742
/ /___/ / / /  __/ // / / /_/ / /_/ / // / /_/ / Email: dong@umiacs.umd.edu
\____/_/ /_/\___/_//_/ /_____/\____/_//_/\__  /  "Do you know why communist
 __________________________________________/ /    can not be a good C++
/___________________________________________/     programer ?"   --D.C.



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Subject: [vote] from Liang Er
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Mr. Chair,
	Liang Er ask me to cast his vote as,

1.      [CM5010] postpone meeting deadline to Saturday
  yes
2.      CPA proposal by HQ
  yes
3.      [CP5026] temporally inactive Finance Committee
  yes
4.      [CP5027] amendment to council bylaw
  yes
5.      [CP5028] open the "finance-net"
  yes
          __                                         Mail address:
   ______/ /301-405-5025(O)____301-314-9437(fax)     Dong Chen
  / ____/ /_  ___  ___    / __ \____  ___  ____(C)   LPR, Univ. of Maryland
 / /   / __ \/ _ \/ _ \  / / / / __ \/ _ \/ __ \     College Park, MD 20742
/ /___/ / / /  __/ // / / /_/ / /_/ / // / /_/ / Email: dong@umiacs.umd.edu
\____/_/ /_/\___/_//_/ /_____/\____/_//_/\__  /  "Do you know why communist
 __________________________________________/ /    can not be a good C++
/___________________________________________/     programer ?"   --D.C.



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Mr. Chair,
	Here is my vote
1.      [CM5010] postpone meeting deadline to Saturday
  yes
2.      CPA proposal by HQ
  yes
3.      [CP5026] temporally inactive Finance Committee
  yes
4.      [CP5027] amendment to council bylaw
  yes
5.      [CP5028] open the "finance-net"
  yes
          __                                         Mail address:
   ______/ /301-405-5025(O)____301-314-9437(fax)     Dong Chen
  / ____/ /_  ___  ___    / __ \____  ___  ____(C)   LPR, Univ. of Maryland
 / /   / __ \/ _ \/ _ \  / / / / __ \/ _ \/ __ \     College Park, MD 20742
/ /___/ / / /  __/ // / / /_/ / /_/ / // / /_/ / Email: dong@umiacs.umd.edu
\____/_/ /_/\___/_//_/ /_____/\____/_//_/\__  /  "Do you know why communist
 __________________________________________/ /    can not be a good C++
/___________________________________________/     programer ?"   --D.C.



From council-l@ifcss.org Wed Jan 19 15:49:55 1994
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Liqun and other colleagus,

The called email conference is in a messy situation.

1. the quorum became enough after Liqun called it off.

2. While nobody called a roll, I only see Mr Ren Songlin posted
   a list of sign-ups.

3. While Liqun is considering how the conference should be
   held, and is obviously not chairing the meeting,
   Chen Dong seems to be the one in the chair's position
   to make all the announcements and requirements,
   Should Liqun be the Chair to make things proceed,instead of other
   Council members?

4. It is not a good thing to move the Council discussion from
   council-l to council-wn.
   We have seen Chen Dong forwarding all kinds of messages to
   council-wn, with HIS OWN words ahead and his own titles.
   That is sometimes very misleading.
   Dong is also fowarding votes for others. 

Considering such situations, let's wait for Liqun's decision 
and don't assume the email conference is going on.


Yungui


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Subject: [discussion]<Chen Dong> Re: HQ's operation
Status: RO

I agree with what Zhang Feng posted.
After reviewing the whole event unfolded so far, I am unsatisfied with HQ
for many of its handling of the matter. 

HQ could cooperate much better, and communicate with our council members
more often. Their side should take some responsibility for the mess now.
And future HQ should learn the lesson.

	Meanwhile, even I viewed a lot of HQ's action non-professional, but
not yet be able to find them violent any rule explictly (this might be still
debate-able and we should investigate further in the future).

	However the HQ had done, though, it gives no right for our council
members to violent the rule ourselves. Within the system, we have formal
procedures to solve the dispute. But these important links are missing. Worst,
the rule violentions just went too far later on. Here's the simplified
conversation between me and Hongguang last night. I take fully responsiblity
for what I post here.

Chen Dong:	Did you sign on the meeting ? I notice you are actively on
		network, maybe you just forgot to send a formal sign on
		letter.
Zhou Hongguang:	[do not want to admit, but finally said] I did not sign on.
C:	The bylaw requires every council member to attend the meeting.
Z:	Dong Liqun called off the meeting.
C:	If you signed on, then we had the quorum, and the meeting won't be
	called off. What about before Liqun called off ?
Z:	I did not received the call for emeeting, the council network
	wasn't working.
C:	I also send a personal mail to you of the package.
Z:	I didn't receive it.
C:	I called you before the meeting start, and informed you in person.
Z:	It was early at the morning, I don't remember what we said.
[later after awhile, the same argue came back again]
C:	(something like no attending the meeting is violent the bylaw)
Z:	You have no right to impeach me.
C:	I didn't say I will impeach you now, I just tell you how serious
	you actions are.
Z:	Look at how stupid you are. What public image you think we will get
	when you proposed your resolutions.
C:	I welcome openly debate about my resolution. You can debate again
	and vote again my resolutions.
Z:	I am not going to vote.
C:	Can we openly confront about what we talked about tonight ?
Z:	I didn't say anything tonight.
C:	Then can I ask you again about these question ?
Z:	I don't need to talk to you.
C:	Fine, bye.


Now the nature question is what is the right way to solve the dispute ?
Here's outline of what I think we should have done:
	1. FC investigate the whole issue
	2. Report to council about the difficulty and the primer result
	3. Council issue resolutions if necessary
	4. (If HQ still not cooperate) Council appeal to SVC
	5. SVC and Council order HQ to follow the procedure
	6. (if still not resolved) SVC and Council gives a report to CSS
	   and possiblly call for impeachment of HQ.

Look at what we did ? The FC bypassed Council to issue News Release, Open
Letters. Individule member send memos in the whole Council's name.
Invited a third party for IT and went to DC without inform other council
member. Announce an Inspection Task Froce without inform other council member.
Boycott council meeting.... This just a few serious one I picked up.

Now, dear colleagues, do we need any common rules in the Council or not ?
Do you still think the FC can work professionally with such an emotion
involved ?
Just ask yourself, what do we want to achieve this term ?
Is this what we called professionalizing IFCSS ?

At the very begining, I stated that we should handle the whole issue
professional way. I proposed to hire a CPA right between the first
tele-conference. But I was told, if we hire a CPA, we will ruin IFCSS's
reputation because there are a lot of dark side story there; we can not
afford to hire a CPA; we will be put in jail if we hire a CPA; we want
protect IFCSS's name not expose the issue to public.
And look what we got.

Think it over, please post your opinion and cast your vote.

Dong Chen,

          __                                         Mail address:
   ______/ /301-405-5025(O)____301-314-9437(fax)     Dong Chen
  / ____/ /_  ___  ___    / __ \____  ___  ____(C)   LPR, Univ. of Maryland
 / /   / __ \/ _ \/ _ \  / / / / __ \/ _ \/ __ \     College Park, MD 20742
/ /___/ / / /  __/ // / / /_/ / /_/ / // / /_/ / Email: dong@umiacs.umd.edu
\____/_/ /_/\___/_//_/ /_____/\____/_//_/\__  /  "Do you know why communist
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To: IFCSS Council
From: Zhou Hongguang, the Council Member from the Southeast
RE: Chen Dong's claim
Date: 1/19/94

Who is the Council Chair? Seems Mr Chen Dong is functioning as the Chair
by claiming the council is in meeting while Dong Liqun has called off the
meeting last Saturday, which was confirmed by Shen Tong. We are not sure
what's happened to the Council-l to which Dong Liqun sent his
announcement ( as a matter of fact, I and other members lost many
important mails after we sent them to council-l), but we do know it is who has
wildly sent numuous mails with lots of claims to the Council-l and is still
cliaming the already-called-off meeting is still on. We would like to ask
Mr. Chen Dong: Has Dong Liqun switched his resposibility of the Council
Chair to you? When? By what means? As the Chair of the Council Rules
Committee, you'd better to follow the rules.

Another thing is that I said NOTING to Mr. Chen Dong last night as he
claimed in his mail, which may be a day-dream product of his. Because I've
already learned a lesson from the fact that my previous words in a
telephone conversation with a former IFCSS officer was exploited by others,
I have never say anything over telephone to anyone who is with unnamed
motivations ever since.




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Dear Chen Dong,

I hope you are more careful when you acuse your colleagues in the Council
of so many serious "misconducts". For example, can you be sure Liqun did not
send a message to everyone about Bai Yan's in the IT well before the IT
went to DC. I would like to suggest you go back to check your email reocrd
before you make more allegations.


Yungui


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I view it very inapproriate to forward personal record of private
conversations into the Council's work net. Even if you decide it
is necessary to discredit your colleagues personally, use some
other argument in a responsible matter.


Yungui


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Subject: (For Your Record): Taiwan Trip, Auditing, and My Acount (fwd)
Status: RO

Mr. Chen Dong:

Would you please check your computer record before you accuse any of your
colleages next time. The follwing is for your record.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 22:55:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
To: IFCSS Council <council-wn@ifcss.org>
Subject: Taiwan Trip, Auditing, and My Acount

To All Council colleagues:

1. Taiwan Trip.  IFCSS delegates group will visit taiwan from Feb 16 to
March 2 or 3. Taiwan will pay half of airplane fee and expense in Taiwan.
And all the participators need to pay anohter half travel fee. Please send
me a mail or a fax no later than Oct 28 if you are interested in this
trip. 


2. IFCSS Accounts Auditing. I hope we can finish this tough event as soon
as possible. Yes, there might be some problems in the IFCSS financial
system and it definitely should be improved. But at first, we should find
out what and where the problem(s) is(are). The second teleconference will
be coming soon. Thanks for Qi Bing, Liu Chen, and Hongguang's hard work
and Bai Yan's help. Hopefully, we can complete the auditing soon.
--------------------

3. My E-Mail Account.I cannot assess my e-mail system normally because the
primary mail system in our uninversity is very very slow and goes down
frequently in this quarter. Sorry for having missed many of your mails
recently. I have to switch my mail account for our IFCSS affairs to
"liqun@hardy.u.washington.edu". Yungui, please replace my old account by
this one.


Best Regards,


Liqun Dong









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>of so many serious "misconducts". For example, can you be sure Liqun did not
>send a message to everyone about Bai Yan's in the IT well before the IT
>went to DC. I would like to suggest you go back to check your email reocrd

I bring up the facts as best of my knowledge.
After Bai Yan went to D.C., HQ called me to ask why we council did inform
them. I then called Liqun. He told me he didn't know that. Later, he said
he knew Bia Yan was in the IT and involved about one weeks before. But he
stated he did not know Bia Yan was going to D.C. until the last minutes.

After I check my message, I did not see any thing Liqun post about Bai Yan,
except at a mail informed us the taiwan trip, he said he also want to
Bai Yan's help for Finance Committee.

Here is the earliest message every send to council (council-wn, council-l)
and it was from Liqun'

-------------------
From: Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Taiwan Trip, Auditing, and My Acount
To: IFCSS Council <council-wn@ifcss.org>

To All Council colleagues:

....

2. IFCSS Accounts Auditing. I hope we can finish this tough event as soon
as possible. Yes, there might be some problems in the IFCSS financial
system and it definitely should be improved. But at first, we should find
out what and where the problem(s) is(are). The second teleconference will
be coming soon. Thanks for Qi Bing, Liu Chen, and Hongguang's hard work
and Bai Yan's help. Hopefully, we can complete the auditing soon.

-------------------

Don't believe me. Do research yourself. And colleagues, do you remember when
was the first time you knewn about Bai Yan's involvement, and when did you
know he was in the IT, when did you know he actually went to DC.

I also  digged out some files related to IT's personal (as much as I can),
please correct me.

=====================
>From labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu  Wed Sep  1 00:20:13 1993
Subject: Inspection Agenda (Draft)
.....
Proposed by Finance Committee  Drafted by Zhou Hongguang
.....
2. Parties involved:
2.1     IFCSS Council: Shen Tong, Qi Bing, Zhou Hongguang
2.2     HQ:     President and Treasurer of the 4th term
                President and Treasurer of the 5th term
2.3     IFCSS SVC: one member as an observer:
....
=====================
>From chair  Wed Sep 22 23:07:09 1993
>From:    Dong Liqun (signed), IFCSS Council Chair
         Ding Yungui (Signed), IFCSS Council Co-chair
         IFCSS Council Finance Committee (signed, Zhou Hongguang)
.......
Mr. Zhou Hongguang will be coordinating the whole process of inspection.
He will contact the HQ staff for detailed arrangement of the insepction
The Council will appreciate your cooperation.
.......
Enclosure:

                        Agenda
                          for
The Site Examination of IFCSS HQ Financial and Assets Situation
                           by
              IFCSS Council Inspection Team
                    September 7, 1993
Proposed by Finance Committee  Drafted by Zhou Hongguang

1. Time and Place

1.1     Time: Undecided
1.2     Place: IFCSS HQ Office, Washington, D.C.

2. Parties involved:

2.1     IFCSS Council: Shen Tong, Qi Bing, Zhou Hongguang
2.2     HQ:     President and Treasurer of the 4th term
                President and Treasurer of the 5th term
...........
=========================
>From chair  Sat Nov  6 20:22:23 1993
Subject: Memo: The Council Inspection Team Has Been in D.C.
Date:  November 6, 1993

To:    IFCSS HQ
Cc:    IFCSS Supervisory Committee, council-l net

>From:  IFCSS Council
       Signed by:       Dong Liqun, Chair;
                        Ding Yungui, Co-Chair
                        Zhou Hongguang, Coordinator of the Inspection Team
Subj:  The Inspection Team Is in DC


The Council Inspection Team of 4 members have been in DC to inspect
the IFCSS HQ's accounting and property records.

Besides Council members Mr Liu Chen, Mr. Qi Bing, and Mr. Zhou Hongguang,
the Council has invited Mr. Bai Yan of Texas to join the team to provide
some technical help to the financial matters.

It is pitiful that the HQ had not been informed of the Inspection Team
composition in advance. We are sorry if that caused any inconvennience to
the process of the inspection.

The council is grateful that Mr. Bai Yan volunteers his time and expertise
to help the cause of IFCSS. While his coming to the HQ as one of the
team members, as authorized by the Council, is in compliance with the
IFCSS Financial Regulation (see article 11), we hope he will be given the
proper privilege the inspection team members are entitled.

Your continuing cooperation will be highly appreciated.
================================
>From songlin@buphy.bu.edu  Mon Nov  8 08:50:19 1993
>From:  Songlin Ren
        5th IFCSS Council Member

To:       All members of 5th IFCSS Council Member
        and
                    Dong Liqun, Chair;
                        Ding Yungui, Co-Chair
                        Zhou Hongguang, Coordinator of the Inspection Team

Subj:  PROTEST

Who has the authority to invite Mr. Bai Yan to be the team of Council? As a
Council member I do not know anything about this. The Chair and Co-Chair or
financial committee have NOT inform any Council member before the matter.
Chair and Co-Chair have NOT have such power to say "Council invite Mr. Bai
Yan" as a Financial Team. Mr. Bai Yan is NOT invited be COUNCIL !!!
It is very good for the inspection  that Mr. Bai Yan be volunteer to do this.
I am appreciate his help. BUT at least the Financial Committee or
Chair should inform all of the Council member before he come to HQ.
At this point, I am STRONG against the  action and I PROTEST the
Chair and Co-Chair and Financial Committee !!!

We should know the Chair and Co-Chair are not special member of the
Council. They only can speak out under the CouncilUs decision. The
Financial Committee is a working committee in the Council, it can not
independent to do anything. The inspection was decided by last
Teleconference, but we do not give them the rightto invite any one.

Songlin Ren
5th IFCSS Council Member
===================================


          __                                         Mail address:
   ______/ /301-405-5025(O)____301-314-9437(fax)     Dong Chen
  / ____/ /_  ___  ___    / __ \____  ___  ____(C)   LPR, Univ. of Maryland
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/ /___/ / / /  __/ // / / /_/ / /_/ / // / /_/ / Email: dong@umiacs.umd.edu
\____/_/ /_/\___/_//_/ /_____/\____/_//_/\__  /  "Do you know why communist
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To:	Mr. Chen Dong, Chair of the Rules Committee

From:	Zhou Hongguang, Council Member from the Southeast

RE:	Are you the Council's Rule Chair or the HQ's Rule Chair?

Date:	1/19/94

As the Chair of the Council Rules Committee, you have the responsiblility
of reminding the all parties concerned to follow the rules. However, you
seem very biased in practice. When the HQ refused to continued to
implement the Council's Resolution on Auditing, you should remind the HQ
of the consequences of such a act. But you have choosen to keep in silince
and never remind your colleage at the Council that that act violates the
rules of the IFCSS.

Again, Mr. Lin Changsheng did not inform of any council member before he
landed in Beijing, again, you keep silent and has not yet stand out to
point out this action is breaking the rules.

However, when the Finance Committee had to present its report to the
Council and the public, you couldn't help jumping up. You want
silince the Finance Committee without any legal bases with current IFCSS
Constitution and by-laws. 

When the authority of the Council and your colleages at the
Council is stamped down by the HQ, you feel confortable and never bother to
point out the violation of the rules. When the Finance Committee carries
out its responsibility to executing the Council's resolution by reminding the
Council and the public, who has every right to know about everything about
the IFCSS, we don't understand why you feel very uncomfortable and
deactiviate the Finance Commiittee, the financial watchdog of the Council.

Sure, we won't ask your motivation, but we would like to ask are you the
Rules Chair for the Council or for the HQ?




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>I view it very inapproriate to forward personal record of private
conversations into the Council's work net. Even if you decide it

It is not personal conversation. We were discussion council's issues.
I don't want to "discredit your colleagues personally", he can openly
confront me if he like.

If you all agree this is a serious discussion, argue based on facts.

Dong,
          __                                         Mail address:
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 __________________________________________/ /    can not be a good C++
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1. I was never claimed to be the Chair.
   What I did was, as normal, prepare the package, include the resolutions,
   recommendations, meeting agenda to council member.
   It is also my duty to remind the council member of our agenda.
2. I have my right to post my discussions, comment on other's discussions.
3. I was not awear of the meeting was called off. When I learnt Liqun's call,
   I immediately expressed my objection.
   (refer to my comment about Robert's Rule on call off the meeting.)
   I didnot and do not agree the meeting is called off.
4. The council-l was not function. So I got help to dig out all the post I
   thought did not reach out other members, by went though all the archieve
   files.
5. There are no bias from my forwarding. I forwarded all the mails, include
   yours. All the forwarding are completed, they are not excerpts.
   People need hear debate from both side, not just my side.
6. Even though you do not admit we talked, my telephone bill will show that.

Let's be rational.

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Thanks for remind me.
That is exactly I just send out.

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Thankfully, if you read my fwd email, you will see I forward this one
also. This is just an example that my forwarding was not "biased" :-(

Dong,
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/ /___/ / / /  __/ // / / /_/ / /_/ / // / /_/ / Email: dong@umiacs.umd.edu
\____/_/ /_/\___/_//_/ /_____/\____/_//_/\__  /  "Do you know why communist
 __________________________________________/ /    can not be a good C++
/___________________________________________/     programer ?"   --D.C.



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Subject: Re: [discussion]<Chen Dong> Re: HQ's operation
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Sorry, in my last mail, I made a typo. My apology.

I wrote:
>After Bai Yan went to D.C., HQ called me to ask why we council did inform
                                                                   ^ not
>them. I then called Liqun. He told me he didn't know that. Later, he said

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From council-l@ifcss.org Wed Jan 19 19:35:07 1994
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Get things straight!

I am the Rule Committee of Council not HQ, thanks for you pointed out.
Hence my duty is within the council.

As a council member, I expressed my unsatisfaction of some of their
actions. However, as I pointed out yesterday, I did not find any direct
rule violentions of HQ's behavior. If majority of council members thinks
HQ violent the rules, again as I pointed out yesterday, we should seek the
normal procedure, pass a resolution, appeal to SVC, then brought it to
public and possiblly impeach them.

But as council member, I am responsible for people who elected me.
I, and nobody, should play buddy-buddy.

If there are truth, it is the truth. Not Hq's truth, FC's truth, or
council's truth.
If you don't agree, give me the facts, quote the bylaw, Robert's Rule.

Dong,

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Chen Dong,

Since Liqun had informed all of us in the network of Bai Yan's 
involvement in the Council's auditing work, we could not say we
did not know anything about it, could we?


Yungui


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>Since Liqun had informed all of us in the network of Bai Yan's 
>involvement in the Council's auditing work, we could not say we
>did not know anything about it, could we?

Sure, we know Bai Yan helped, as I know other people helped also.
But how much do we know besides this ?
Did we have the procedure or not ?

Let's not shift the issue. The major issue of the meeting is about the
"Open Letter" and the consequence.

Dong,

          __                                         Mail address:
   ______/ /301-405-5025(O)____301-314-9437(fax)     Dong Chen
  / ____/ /_  ___  ___    / __ \____  ___  ____(C)   LPR, Univ. of Maryland
 / /   / __ \/ _ \/ _ \  / / / / __ \/ _ \/ __ \     College Park, MD 20742
/ /___/ / / /  __/ // / / /_/ / /_/ / // / /_/ / Email: dong@umiacs.umd.edu
\____/_/ /_/\___/_//_/ /_____/\____/_//_/\__  /  "Do you know why communist
 __________________________________________/ /    can not be a good C++
/___________________________________________/     programer ?"   --D.C.



