Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 14:40:21 -0500 Reply-To: liu@cae.wisc.edu Sender: China-Net From: liu@cae.wisc.edu To: Multiple recipients of list CHINA-NT ==+==+==+== C h i n e s e C o m m u n i t y F o r u m ==+==+==+== Friday, September 24, 1993 (Issue No. 93.05) +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Chinese Community Forum (CCF) is a journal published on China-Net. CCF is dedicated to the discussion and debate on the issues related to our community. The opinions expressed here do not necessarily represent the views of the Editorial Board of CCF. Contributions to the discussions and suggestions of new topics are very much appreciated. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Table of Contents # of Lines =========================================================================== 1. China lost bidding for Olympic 2000, but not future............ EBCCF 35 2. Voting record to select the host of Olympic 2000............Puqi Tang 9 3. Why China lost the bid to host the 2000 Olympic game .......Fang Wang 47 4. Readers analysis and comments a. Readers analysis on the loss and some after-thoughts: Contributors: Mi Mi, Hong Zhang, Yixiang Zhang Zhengzhi Wang b. Readers comments on previous post in China-Net: Contributors: Peter Qian, Yixiang Zhang, Jing Zhang ============================================================================ ===========***==========***==========**==========***==========***=========== From The Editor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the last 24 hours, many readers casted many comments and analysis on that Beijing lost bid to host the 2000 Olympic game. We compiled this special issue from China-Net and other various sources, such as SCC and CCNL. This issue is a continuous discussion of CCF93.01 and CCF93.02. We hope it will attract more readers to join our ongoing discussion in China-Net. In the following weeks, we are going to have discussions in the following topics: (1) Professional life after CSPA (2) Relation of China and USA (3) IFCSS and local CSSAs Editor Board of CCF welcomes your contribution on these topics. If you have suggestion or wish to help to organize articles on a topic, please e-mail to net-cord@lab.ultra.nyu.edu. =========***==========***==========***==========***==========***========== 1. China lost bidding for Olympic 2000, but not future............ EBCCF 35 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Many Chinese were sad when they heard the news that IOC did not choose Beijing as the site for Olympic in 2000. Even some people who had opposed Beijing's bidding based on human rights or other considerations may also feel a sense of loss. Amidst of frustration, I also feel a sense of relief because of the rational reactions by the Chinese officials both in Beijing and in Monte Carlo. They had emphasized hope for the future and called people to accept and respect the decision of IOC with dignity. The pressure on the Chinese government for winning this bid has been high. It began with the initiative of the Chinese government to participate in the bid and to put a lot of political stake in the process. It was further galvanized by the strong opposition of many human rights groups and the US Congress. Such a "losing face" would have at least provoked attacks on "imperialism" a few years ago. But this time China entered the game of the bidding, and accepted its outcome gracefully. It is an indication that China, including its government, has become more mature. It is with a mature government that we could hope for better opportunities in improving human rights and many other aspects of Chinese people. Olympic is not everything. Human rights is also not the only aspect of China that urgently needs improvement. In fact, one of the factors favors Sydney is its good environmental conditions and the forward looking attitude of its organizers in the environmental conservation issues. In contrast, although many human rights group actively participated in the event, we have heard very little among Chinese people about the environmental issues prompted by the event. Actually, the problems of environment in China are very serious and very urgent. Many of them are also part of the human rights or civil rights problem. Of course, there will always be tomorrow. However, tomorrow is only significant to those who are ready for it. Many signs have shown that China today is much better prepared than ten years ago for tomorrow in economic development. China has also taken certain steps toward political readiness, such as "playing by the rules of game". However, is China also prepared for tomorrow in environment and in culture? [drafted by Ning Luo for EBCCF] ==========***==========***==========***==========***==========***========== 2. Voting record to select the host of Olympic 2000............Puqi Tang 9 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The votes took four rounds. After each round one city was eliminated, and the members only knew which city was eliminated. Here are the votes for each round. Beijing led in all but the last round. round 1: Beijing 32, Sydney 30, Manchester 11, Berlin 9, Istanbul 7 round 2: 37 30 13 9 round 3: 40 37 11 round 4: 43 45 Of those 11 members voted for Manchester in the third round, 8 voted for Sydney. [tangp@mace.cc.purdue.edu] ==========***==========***==========***==========***==========***========== 3. Why China lost the bid to host the 2000 Olympic game .......Fang Wang 47 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is emotional day for every Chinese. Beijing lost its bid for 2000 Olympic Games. This is not what we want to hear but this is the reality. There are a lot of factors involved with Beijing's loss but let us face it: 1). Technically, Beijing does not own high scores. China is a devekoping country and Beijing is its capital which already boasts some of the best facilities (sports, telecommunications and highways) in the country, and yet its standard is still below those of developed countries. So the lesson is China has a lot to improve. Deng Xiao-ping is absolutely right in this respect: let us focus on economic development and invest in improving infrastructure, and to build more high grade highways, build more airports, build more railways throughout China and focus on improve living standards of ordinary people. This is much more important than 10 Olympics Games. By the time that China becomes an Economic and Military superpower, we will have a final say where Olympics Games should be held. 2). Human rights issue does play a role this time. I think the strategy China has used is right although it does not seem to work. The spokesman of the China Delegation Wu Jianming gave a very emotional talk two days ago and appear to be very rational. China needs order and stability, the only way to assure that Chinese economy will stay at its current speed. China should improve its human rights record BUT ONLY WITHOUT losing its stability due to its sheer size and huge population. The Western countries tries to use human rights stratagy to stir up our people and we should not be cheated by them. Economic development/Stability comes first, Olymipic Games comes next. 3). Do not hold that China is great country with rich history anymore. Westerners have long looked down upon Eastern culture. While we are loving our culture, our rich culture will never be the reason to Westerners that Olympic Games be held in China. China lost its strength when Ching dynasty was indulged in Chinese culture without learning Western ideas. In this respect, there is a lot for us to learn from Japan. Let everyone of us help China to build a stronger educational system and to assure that our people are well educated with modern science, technology and civilization. 4). The Chinese Party leadship should give its priority to improve its caders' standards, especially those who are involved in foreign policies. We need more like Qian Qi-chun (foreign minister), Wu Jian-ming (foreign minister spokesman) and Li Lan-qing (vice prime minister). We definitely should get rid of Chen Xi-tong and Zhang Bei-fang who are not good at interpersonal communications. 5). I think Chinese athletes should attend Atlanta (1996) and Sydney (2000) Games. Let us channel more resources to our athletes in hope that China win the 2nd most gold medals in 1996 and ist gold medals in 2000. When you become a Sports superpower, things will be different. Let all of us, Chinese, whoever in China or overseas unite together to assure a stable China and to cheer for the coming China Century. [FWANG@CHPC.UTEXAS.EDU] ==========***==========***==========***==========***==========***========== 4a. Readers analysis on the loss and some after-thoughts................... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mi Mi Although I am not supportive to the bid, but as a Chinese, everybody wishes to host Olympic some day in China. The failure, I guess, had several reasons. I would name a few. 1. The head should not be Chen Xitiong. If it is Zhu Rongji, then it might be different. Since the human right issue is the main excuse, then why let Chen to head the team? It only reinforce the 6.4. memory. Why not Shanghai? Guangzhou? Those two cities could be host also! 2. Since China was the favorite, so maybe several votes would make a difference. The last minute lobby would be very important. I do not know how they did it Well, 2000 is not the real 21th century. It is the last year of 20th century. 2004 is the first Olympic in 21st century, it is an open chapter, instead of 2000 as a close chapter of 20th century, if the meaning of 2000 does make some difference in the bidding. Well, Olympic spirits does not starts or ends at some particular year. It lives forever. So Olympic is meaningful, not only the 2000. Just two cents of my comments. For those who supported the bid, I would say, try again next time, good luck. For those who did not support the bid like me, let us wish the day comes soon when we Chinese are readyto host the global event. From: Hong Zhang On Thu, 23 Sep 1993 16:59:56 MDT Jianliang Li said: >Whose fault? I must admit that it is the total failure of >Beijing Bid Committee!!! Olympics is a big business. Yes, I totally agree with you. Chinese goverment never had these kind experiences. They are always on the top people in China. How can they ask and beg some small guys? Never, never will happen to Chinese Goverment. They are the supper guys in the world as they believed. >How to do it? Beijing had no idea how many sure votes it would get. Beijing Never knows how the important committee member of any group. Becausa all these kind people in China are pointed out by Chinese Goverment. So they are not worry about them and always get the positive answer. From: Yi-Xiang Zhang Why Beijing lost? (1) Europe and North America togethor have 38 votes. When you watch the announcement live, how many yellow, brown, black face did you see? How many votes do our Aferican friends have? five! Plus you can not even count on South Aferica. Mid-east and South America are swing votes. Don't forget American influence on these two regions. (2) All these so-called "human rights" groups including those organized by D-fighters grab this opportunity to do China-bashing to boost their publicity. (3) The stereotype of China in some westerners' mind. Some wasterners just behave like ostrich, put head in sands and ignore the truth. They just can't stand a united, strong and confident China. (4) It's improper to put infamous Chen Xitong, the former mayer of Beijing in 1989, as the head of the biding commitee. The biding commitee should have spent more time in doing public relation with the voting members. The last minute release of Wei Jingshen is like a joke. The failure of bidding doesn't mean it's over. Many cities bid several times before they finally get it. So Beijing 2004 or 2008 doesn't sound too bad. Chinese people are more mature than ever before. If China continue to grow its economy, one day China will become so big and strong that nobody including these ostrichs can ignore him any more. Yes, We'll win someday! From: wang@mira.ASTRO.Ucla.EDU (Zhengzhi Wang) I am very sorry and sad that China didn't win. I am more sorry and sad that CCP, especially the head of the Chinese Olympic delegation, Mr. Chen Xitong hasn't repented and made a fresh start concerning their roles and behaviors during and after the June 4th massacre. If Mr. Chen (and ***) had taken action to indicate repentance before the vote date, China would have won. It was them whom should be blamed. Why those "minyun renshi" or whoever else? If we really want to win it so badly, we need push CCP very hard to repent itself. Our thousands thousands signatures should have gone to CCP. We'll win someday! ==========***==========***==========***==========***==========***========== 3. Readers comments on previous post in China-Net........................ 9 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pqian@iris4.pasadena.msi.com It is very sick for me to read the Press Release by Mr. Ignatius Ding from Silicon Valley for Democracy in China (SVDC) on September 23, 1993 regarding the Beijing's bid for hosting the Olympic Summer Games in 2000. I felt deeply sad and been losing some very precious thing all afternoon after I learn the news. I don not know what. But I felt worse after I read this press release. We all know that the Chinese government does not have a clean human rights record. But I also deplore that these extremists are using the human right issue in exploring the chances that our country could have to become a more open, more democratic and more prosperous country. This is not the time for Chinese and also oversea Chinese to feel joy and victory. It is the time that we all should realize that China has lost more one good opportunity to open to the world in the history. Let us heal the wound and think what we can do in the future for our country. One thing that I have learned from this experimence is that these extremists are as dangerous as the Communists to the future of China. From: Yi-Xiang Zhang After I read the IFCSS statement on Olympic Issue, I just want to ask the one who is responsible for this statement: how many Chinese students and scholars do you REALLY represent? According to the poll conducted by CND several months ago, majority of the CSS in America support Beijing's bid. Don't abuse the power that CSS delegates gave you. We can elect you, you can also impeach you. IFCSS is the biggest Chinese organization in U.S.. IFCSS should serve the best interest of China and CSS in America. >As the only nationwide organization representing Chinese students >and scholars in the U.S., we are willing to work with the Chinese >government for improving its human rights record and for China's >greater openness to the outside world. That's good. But remember, next time when you go to attend Congress hearing about MFN, think about China more. If you really want to speak for CSS in America, at least read the CND poll result first. From: ZHANG%UTKVX.BITNET@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Comment on "The IFCSS Statement On IOC's Vote for 2000 Olympic Game" Oops, I thought you were deaf, blind and didn't know there was this thing on the earth. (Or maybe you have just hiden your activity about it?) >However, human rights condition has become an increasingly >important factor in international community and its affairs. Since you do identify yourself with such an opinion, --- i.e., to refuse China's bid for Olympic on the basis of its HR records, I would like to hear you say *loudly* that you believe, because of the refusal, China's HR will be bettered. --- Don't do it for me, do it for yourself, because believe me, if you can't do this, most CSS would think that your self-claimed care for China's HR is disgenuine. You have suffered a great deal of the "lack in participation" from CSS as you know. I hope you will do something before they suspend their *recognition*. >As the only nationwide organization representing Chinese students >and scholars in the U.S., we are willing to work with the Chinese >government for improving its human rights record and for China's >greater openness to the outside world. I have this in mind: You have been too cowardish to stay with your constuency, i.e., to represent CSS, in both MFN and the Olympic bid. 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