From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep  1 06:33:19 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA15580); Wed, 1 Sep 93 06:33:19 CDT
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 06:33:19 CDT
Message-Id: <9309011130.AA06923@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Late-Comer-Listserv
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
Status: RO


listserv@ifcss.org
sub lc-l firtname lastname

>From: listserv@ifcss.org
To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Subject: SUB LC-L MI MI
Status: R

You have been added to list lc-l@ifcss.org.
Requests to listserv@ifcss.org.

       Dear subscriber:

           Welcome to Late Comers net!

           This net is desinged to help those Chinese Students and Scholars
       who came to the United States after April 11, 1990 to overcome various
       difficulties encountered on this foreign land, and distribute objective
       information and analysis on the Chinese Students Protection Act.

           This net is also aimed to promote academic freedom and community
       democracy. It's our belief that an enriched academic environment and
       a diversified Chinese Students and Scholars community will lead us to
       a better life.

       For questions regarding the use of this list and other related issues,
       please contact one of the following people:

                gao@uhep2.phy.syr.edu (Min Gao, Syracuse Univ.),
                XIAO@TAMCOMP.bitnet (Bin Xiao, Texas A&M Univ.),
                hee@acf2.nyu.edu (Enhua He, NYU) or
                cliu@wuecon.wustl.edu (Chengyan Liu, Washington Univ.St. Louis)


           Sincerely

       LCs Working Committee


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep  1 06:39:54 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA15639); Wed, 1 Sep 93 06:39:54 CDT
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 06:39:54 CDT
Message-Id: <9309011131.AA06929@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
Status: RO

>From <@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU:owner-ccnl@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU> Wed Sep  1 02:48:30 1993
Received: from UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU by UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2)
   with BSMTP id 9828; Wed, 01 Sep 93 01:42:38 CDT
Received: from UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UTARLVM1) by
 UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2914; Wed,
 1 Sep 1993 01:00:52 -0500
Date:         Mon, 30 Aug 1993 22:48:39 PDT
Reply-To: yuang@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU
Sender: Newsletter on Chinese Community <CCNL@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU>
>From: yuang@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU
Subject:      tuition of CSPA
Comments: To: ccnl@utarlvm1.uta.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNL <CCNL@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU>
Status: R

Hi, Friends:

        Is anybody here belong to California State University
system, and also he/she is a CSPA?

        The reason I want to know this is that the CSPA of University
of Califonia system  no longer need to pay foreign student tuition since
they filed I-485, they already get notice from foreign student adviser.

        But the foreign student advisor of my school (CSUS)  said that
CSPA of CSU students still need pay foreign student tuition until
next year.

         looks like that two systems have different policy at this point.
I hope to know how is the policy of other CSU campus regarding  this
issue.
        Your reply will be very appreciated.



                                        Y.g.

>From <@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU:owner-ccnl@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU> Wed Sep  1 06:10:05 1993
Received: from UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU by UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2)
   with BSMTP id 0906; Wed, 01 Sep 93 05:05:19 CDT
Received: from UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UTARLVM1) by
 UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6604; Wed,
 1 Sep 1993 03:29:38 -0500
Date:         Wed, 1 Sep 1993 00:56:45 PDT
Reply-To: Zhengzhi Wang <wang@MIRA.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU>
Sender: Newsletter on Chinese Community <CCNL@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU>
>From: Zhengzhi Wang <wang@MIRA.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: tuition of CSPA
Comments: To: yuang@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU
Comments: cc: CCNL@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNL <CCNL@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU>
Status: R

FYI -- forwaded message :
***************************************************************************
+-------------------------------------------------------+
 1. Nonresidence Tuition for People Filing PR Petition
+-------------------------------------------------------+
>From HAO@TUOLUMNE.ATMOS.UCLA.EDU Fri Aug 27 12:43:08 1993

     Recently, I talked with the residency deputy at Murphy
Hall about the issue of the nonresidency tuition. The regulation
requires people to reside the state of California for over one
full year to waive the nonresidence tuition. For one who has filed
a petition of applying the permanent residency (PR), the date
is counted from the date when s/he shows the intention of immigration
in California, can be either the filing date for labour certificate,
or the PR petition filing date. The document needs to show your
name on it if that is filed on behalf of your family.
     This is only for the reference purpose, correct information can
be found by calling 53447 asking for Residency deputy.


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep  1 11:44:03 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA00187); Wed, 1 Sep 93 11:44:03 CDT
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 11:44:03 CDT
Message-Id: <9309011641.AA07654@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 
Status: RO

>From: cliu@wuecon.wustl.edu (Chengyan Liu)
Subject: LCN News Release 09/01/93


+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                                                                           |
|                           WE CAME AFTER 04/11/90                          |
|                                  NETWORK                                  |
|                                                                           |
|                             September 1st, 1993                           |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+

			      Table of Content
		  ============================================
		  1. An Open Letter from LCs Working Committee
		  2. A Brief Survey
		  3. Another Letter to Ms. Rita Boie
		  =============================================

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. An Open Letter from LCs Working Committee
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear LCN Readers:

	Due to the coming new semester, few message has been released
from the LCNet these days. Since every member of the LCs Working Committee
is working on a voluntary basis, you may sometimes experience some delay
of our regular broadcasting. We apologize for this and we will continue to
make every effort to publish our newsletters timely.

	We are undergoing a transition period within this working committee.
Because of the leaving of our former Chair Mr. Chengyan Liu to IFCSS, Mr.
Bin Xiao and Mr. Min Gao agree to serve as interim Chair and interim Vice
Chair respectively. We are at a crucial time when our future goals need to
be defined. If you happen to have any idea, please don't hesitate to let us
know. We have to collect all the good opinions.

	In order to serve our fellow Chinese students and scholars better
and make our work more efficient, this working committee applied for a
listserv account in mid August through CCIC (Chinese Computing Information
Center, an organization affiliated with IFCSS). And we have just been
notified that the application has been approved and a listserv account
dedicated to all Chinese students and scholars who came to the United States
after April 11, 1990 has been set up.

	If you or your friends are not in this list, please send
		 sub lc-l your_first_name your_last_name
as body message to listserv@ifcss.org. If you or your friends want to
unsubscribe our News Release and related discussions, please send
		 unsub lc-l
as body message to listserv@ifcss.org.

	We need to emphasise that this is achieved and made possible by all
our netters like you. Therefore, the service will be dedicated to the needs
of our fellow Chinese students and scholars. We welcome our netters to send
your comments to us, and we are looking forward to reading your postings
soon.


LCs Working Committee
	
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
2. A Brief Survey
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Editor's note: In order to serve Late Arriving Fellow Chinese Students
		and Scholars better, we disigned the following mini-survey.
		Please send your answer to cliu@wuecon.wustl.edu. We'll
		inform you the results after we finished the survey.]

		  ----------Mini_Survey Begin----------
    1. How did you evaluate LCs Working Committee's activities?
       Is that good enough or need major improvement?
       If improvement is necessary, please indicate specifically which
	   one should be improved.
    2. What's your opinions about current strategies to cooperate with
       IFCSS, LAD net and other organizations?
       Especially, did you think our agreement that let former Chair
       Chengyan Liu work inside IFCSS is a good idea?
    3. We are contacting some law firms.
       What you think about the main focus should be?
       Is it good enough only to protect EP2 and push LADs use world quota?
       Did you think some kind of extention of CSPA is possible?
       Or what should LCs Working Committee bargaining with law firm to
	   achieve the better results?
    4. If the lobby begin, did you like to donate some money for the use of
	   lobbying?
       Or if you agree to contribute some amount of money, what's the upper
	   limit you accept?
    5. Did you think we should talk to INS, Senator Immigration sub-committee,
	   Department of Justice and the White House directly at current time?
       How can we finance these activities?
    6. Beyond CSPA, what you think we should do? Assist some people attend
	   academic conference, assist Late Comers get working permit, assist
	   some people get intership, etc.

    Since all the above questions is tied with Late Arriving Fellow Chinese
Students and Scholars, so if we can work together we can achieve what we
want. We LCs Working Committee hope you can consult your schoolmate, as some
of them have no access to e-mail, before you send out your precious opinions.

		      ----------Mini_Survey End----------

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
3. Another Letter to Ms. Rita Boie
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Editor's note: The following letter was written by Mi Mi, an activist of
		Late Arriving Dependents net (LADnet). In order to collect
		more signatures in the letter, the author of the letter
		asked us to carry it in our LCN net. One of the aims of the
		letter is to push the use of world quota for LADs, a practice
		which will benefit some of LCs who would use EP3 to apply for
		PR. LCs Working Committee agrees with their effort in general,
		but the opinions expressed in the letter are not that of
		LCs Working Committee. If you agree with the contents of the
		letter, and like to sign your name on the letter, please send
		e-mail to:
				       lads-sig@spike.rice.edu
				       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		The desired format is:
		Mr./Ms/Miss:Name,Address,City,State,ZipCode,Tel#
		Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms: Name]

		    ------------Letter Begin----------

  Madam Rita A. Boie
  Senior Immigration Examiner
  Adjudication Branch
  Immigration & Naturalization Services
  425 I Street NW, Room 5307
  Washington, DC 20536

  RE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)

  Dear Madam Boie,

	  We, a group of concerned and sympathetic individuals who
  signed their names and addresses here, would like to call your
  kindly attention to the following problems involved in subjecting
  Late-Arriving Dependents (LAD) of CSPA principals to the China
  quota.

  (1) According to the survey made by the Headquarters of
  Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS
  HQ), there are approximately 10000 eligible LADs in the U.S. who
  may file their applications under EB-3 and FB-2 during this
  August and September. Since the annual China quota in EB-3 or FB-2
  is about 2500, only these LADs will make the backlog of China's
  at least four years longer. This means that no other Chinese
  nationals can file applications for adjustment of status under
  EB-3 or FB-2 categories in the next four years. According to the
  recent INS Cable on August 13, those undocumented Chinese
  nationals, who came before April 11, 1990, and have obtained an
  advance parole to re-enter U.S., are allowed to apply under CSPA.
  While this new decision reflects the humanitarian and protection
  spirit which are implanted in the Executive Order 12711, those
  added applicants with their LADs are facing even more
  difficulties than anyone else because their LADs are mostly
  queued after the existing pool of LADs whose principals entered
  legally, and thus are facing even longer family separation. Not
  only will those LADs whose principals are undocumented be queued
  after those whose principals entered legally, which means even
  longer waiting period, but also the unpredictable number of LADs
  of undocumented Chinese nationals will jam the normal China EB-3
  and FB-2 categories for even more years. As Americans cherish
  their traditional family unity, family values and humanity, those
  traditional values are also deeply rooted in the Chinese culture
  and every Chinese family. The anticipated long separation of
  those families resulted from visa quota allocation problem will
  surely bring sadness and suffering to those families, and thus
  contradict the humanitarian spirit imbedded in the INA, Executive
  Order 12711 and CSPA.

  (2) For dependents remaining in China, the situation is even more
  bleak. These individuals, most of them are minor children, as we
  have surveyed among our LADs community, would be required to wait
  in China until visa numbers are available and thus could
  potentially be separated from their parents for many years. The
  separation will not only deprive those minor children of the much
  needed parental care, but also damage the precious family ties of
  those families. In addition, many of the dependents, both in the
  U.S. and in China, who are now considered children, will reach
  the age of 21 prior to visa availability. This would disqualify
  them for visa issuance.

  Before more efficient solutions are found, we believe that two
  solutions are practical now.

  (1) Re-allocate the LADs into the world quota. Since the CSPA
  principals have been allocated into the world-wide 46,000 quota
  leftovers for fiscal year 1993, it is reasonable to estimate that
  there are still world-wide quota leftover for the following
  years. Instead of wasting those leftover world-wide quotas and
  letting the LADs block the doors to China's regular EB-3 and EB-2
  channels, re-allocating LAD in to the world quota would solve
  backlog problems and benefit many Chinese families in general.

  (2) A blanket family unity program, we believe, should be
  established to include all late-arriving dependents. This program
  should mirror the benefits of Executive Order 12711 to (a) give
  dependents in China who request non-immigrant visas to visit
  family in the U.S. favorable consideration and not to be flatly
  rejected due to the "immigrant intent", (b) deem the individual
  to maintain his/her non-immigrant status for adjustment purposes,
  thus to eliminate the DED problem faced by the estimated 50% for
  LADS population,(c) provide liberal advance parole, (d) provide
  employment authorization for the dependents while their
  applications are being processed, and (e) allow children under
  twenty-one on the date of the CSPA principal's approval to be
  eligible for adjustment even if they are over twenty-one at the
  date of adjustment. This family unity program would resolve the
  problems involved with the case by case voluntary departure
  program and family separation resulted from non-immigrant visa
  denial.

  Thank you for your attention. We are looking forward to hearing
  from you soon.

  Signed by initiating LADs Network members, and co-signed by all
  the concerned and sympathetic Chinese nationals

  Their names and address are in the following attached pages.

		       ----------Letter End----------
		
+===========================================================================+
|     Editor-in-Chief: Enhua He, New York University                        |
|     Executive Editors: Xiaodong Huang, North Carolina State University    |
|                        Chengyan Liu, Washington Univ. at St. Louis        |
|     Comments and Posts: cliu@wuecon.wustl.edu                             |
|     Sign on/off: lc-l@ifcss.org                                           |
+===========================================================================+


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep  1 19:10:44 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA00904); Wed, 1 Sep 93 19:10:44 CDT
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 19:10:44 CDT
Message-Id: <01H2G302RH829852XR@draco.rutgers.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: LAD.09-01-93
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 
Status: RO

 % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %
 %   The following are packed messages sent by LAD-netters in the past few   %
 %   days.  Please address your correspondence to the sender.                %
 %   To sign on, send email to listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mail body as:   %
 %		sub lads-l firstname lastname                                %
 %   To sign off, sendm email to listserv@spike.rice.edu,with mail body as:  %
 %		signoff lads-l                                               %
 %   Please send your post, questions, answers, opinions, to                 %
 %		lads@lucerne.rice.edu .                                      %
 %   The packages posted to LADnet are available via anonymous ftp from the  %
 %   site spike.rice.edu under the directory  /lads.                         %
 % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %



===============================================================================

>From:	IN%"YL9C@watson.acc.virginia.edu" 29-AUG-1993 12:28:37.09

	Does anyone know why some local INS set an interview time for LADs 
	while some other INS don't?  Any information is appreciated. Thanks!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"ZHEN@pine.circa.ufl.edu"  "LU" 30-AUG-1993 16:11:22.37
Subj:	check your bank

	Hi every one: many of us have mailed I-485 to local INS offices for 
	our LADs. So far we have not received the reciept notice from local 
	INS. One way to check the current status is go to ask your bank if 
	the bank check or the money order you bought has been cleared out. 
	This morning, I went to my bank and found that the bank check for 
	my wife was cleared on Aug. 27 while the one for my son has not yet 
	been cleared. I mailed both I-485 forms on Aug. 3rd. 

	Zheng Lu (Uinv. of Florida)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"Bin_Luo@ius4.ius.cs.cmu.edu"  "Bin LUO" 30-AUG-1993 16:39:25.08
Subj:	child in china

	I have a friend who has a 4 years old son in china, and got a F-2 
	visa last week in Beijing. All document for this application was 
	made  before July 1. So if you have small child in china, maybe you 
	can try apply F-2 for him/her.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"sli@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu"  1-SEP-1993 13:08:24.39
Subj:	Receipt

	I went to Houston INS on Aug.19 and my I-485 form was accepted . But 
	one thing bothers me is that I have not got any kind of receipt yet. 
	Is this normal? How could I prove that INS have my I-485?
	Thx for any comments.

============================== THE END =======================================

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep  2 10:35:53 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03471); Thu, 2 Sep 93 10:35:53 CDT
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 10:35:53 CDT
Message-Id: <9309021535.AA02330@lucerne.rice.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: LHGCC%CUNYVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Mi Mi <LHGCC%CUNYVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject:      Letters to the editor
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 
Status: RO

========begin message====================================================
>From: J9LI@stthomas.edu
Subject: Re: Call for signatures

I am one of what you called NCFS. I won't sign anything. I just let you know
don't persue your own benefits on the behalf the NCFS.

Go ahead, I don't oppose you guys. IFCSS called for us support CSPA, what we
got? So I will NOT take part in your action, NO.

J Li

9/1/93
========end   message====================================================

Well, it is up to you. CSPA took a huge chunk of CSS out of China's EB-3.
Please do not assume all the EC would not qualify for that. The problem
is, IFCSS stopped pushing it, due to many reasons.
Lack of enthusiaism, support from all sides, manpower, etc. Now the ship
was guided by some other interest groups. If we do not take action, it
will turn against us, particularly LC CSS. United, we can change it.

Thank you for your comments, and thank you for not opposing our efforts.

Mi Mi
========begin message====================================================
>From: hzhang@ecn.purdue.edu (BRIAN H. ZHANG)
Subject: Re:  Call for signatures

Good job done.

I am a CSPA pricipal and my son is a LAD. Basically, I
support your objective of pushing for world-wide quota.
However, I have some comments to your Call for Signature.

1) You mentioned the figure 10,000 LAD according to IFCSS
estimate and assumed a similar figure for the LADs of
undocumented. I believe it is better not mention IFCSS's
estimate. For one thing, IFCSS is not a US goverment
branch or anything related. There is very little authoratitive
credibility in this respect of IFCSS. Don't get me wrong,
I am a long time IFCSS supporter and worked as VP of CSSU
for the last two terms to push for CSPA. Simply, IFCSS's
estimate in this respect does not count to INS. We cann't
push anything in INS with the authority of IFCSS. It won't
work.

2) The number of LAD for the undocumented was estimated to be
10,000 as well. This is again a too much speculation without
much solid ground. I don't know how an undocumented could
bring his/her dependents easily in US. There surely would be
some, but I can not trust the figure.

I believe more investigation should be done before sending out
the petition letter. If we want to achieve something, we better
give people reliable information. I believe we can check with
INS first about some figures, or look into some US government
publications.

Thanks.

-H. Zhang
Purdue
========end   message====================================================

There is no way we can trace these numbers. Even INS does not know it,
and we have no way to start our investigations. However, we do need a
precise assessment of these numbers and the real impact on us.

Thank you for your comments and suggestions. Would you please join us
as a volunteer?

To push lads related problem, we have lots to do. We wish more and
more people will join us.


Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Sep  3 17:53:41 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA08581); Fri, 3 Sep 93 17:53:41 CDT
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 93 17:53:41 CDT
Message-Id: <9309032253.AA17907@cmliris>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: yhl%cmliris@harvard.harvard.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: yhl%cmliris@harvard.harvard.edu (Yonghong Li)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Summary on DED situation
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 
Status: RO

To:	LAD Network Members

>From:	Lads Network Committee

Subject:DED situations.

Date:	September 3, 1993

Dear netters,

	In a week-long survey among the LAD network, we get the
following surprising results:

	Among ~1200 network members, only ~40 members have DED 
problems. This means that most of DEDs have no access to our network.

	More than half (~55%) of the DEDs have filed their 
applications. "Filed" means that the INS  have accepted their 
applications but they is waiting for further instruction 
for the INS HQ.

	Each DED family has ~1.5 DED members on average.

Below is the summary of the situation at different local INS:

======================================================
=======	Current situation of DED in Local INS ========
======================================================
	Arranged alphabetically by City Names


Arlington, VA:		Filed
ATLANTA, GA:		Rejected/filed
Boston, MA:		Filed
Camden, NJ:		Filed
CHICAGO,IL:		REJECTED/filed
Charlotte, N.C.:	Rejected
Cincinnati, OH:		filed
Denver, CO:		Filed.
Detroit, MI:		Rejected/filed
Honolulu, HI:		rejected
Houston, TX:		rejected	
Los Angeles, CA:	filed
Memphis, TN:		filed
Milwaukee, WI:		filed
Newark, NJ:		rejected
Kansas, MO:		rejected/Filed
San antonio, TX:	filed  
===========================================================

Now Let's estimate how many DEDs are waiting:

1. Let the number of CSPA principals be ~46,000.
2. ~1/6 of CSPA principals are LADs, i.e. ~8000 LADs.
3. ~1/4 of LADs are DEDs, i.e. ~2000 DEDs.
4. ~45% of DEDs are rejected, i.e. ~900 DEDs.
So, there are ~1000 DEDs are waiting for filing.

The above is only for your reference.

-------------------------------------------------------------
While we are working on the DED issue, we strongly recommend you
to file your application as soon as possible. Remember that the 
window for EB-3 is closed after 9/30/93. Time is very short for
every DED.



From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep  4 09:19:33 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA10694); Sat, 4 Sep 93 09:19:33 CDT
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 93 09:19:33 CDT
Message-Id: <01H2JP8L2H9E9856BC@draco.rutgers.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: LAD.09-03-93
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 
Status: RO

 % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %
 %   The following are packed messages sent by LAD-netters in the past few   %
 %   days.  Please address your correspondence to the sender.                %
 %   To sign on, send email to listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mail body as:   %
 %	sub lads-l firstname lastname                                        %
 %   To sign off, sendm email to listserv@spike.rice.edu,with mail body as:  %
 %	signoff lads-l                                                       %
 %   Please send your post, questions, answers, opinions, to                 %
 %		lads@lucerne.rice.edu .                                      %
 %   The packages posted to LADnet are available via anonymous ftp from the  %
 %   site spike.rice.edu under the directory  /lads.                         %
 % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %


================================================================================
>From:	IN%"csenet@watson.ibm.com"  1-SEP-1993 21:08:25.79
Subj:	Q: interview date and working permit

	My friend went Boston INS last Monday (Aug. 30). The application has 
	been accepted, but neither interview date, nor working permit is 
	granted. Has anyone applied at Boston got an interview date or working 
	permit? Any information is appreciated. Thanks.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:   IN%"wang@cast.uark.edu" (Wang Song)
Subject: Don't forget J-1 LADS

	I didn't see any constructive suggestions in the pettition letter. 
	Please don't forget they still suffer the two year waiver requirement.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"zhuc@bcvax1.bc.edu"  2-SEP-1993 14:09:13.41

	Hi, My friend filed as a single when he applied for PR under CSPA. He 
	got married recently. Is his wife eligible to apply for PR as his 
	dependent? Is there any peticular problem for this kind situation?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"wang@haldne.biogen.lsumc.edu"  2-SEP-1993 14:23:18.89

	I would like to ask a question about (non-PRC)LAD :

	I(PRC principal) applied for GC under CSPA and received receipt from 
	service center. Can my wife(non-PRC, arrived in U.S in 1989 and married
	me on July 1992, on a lawful F-1 status) apply now?

	Any information regarding the above two questions will be highly
	appreciated.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"liny@cpu1.omrf.uokhsc.edu"  2-SEP-1993 16:34:24.31
Subj:	require an answer

	Hi, I have a question for you. Mr. Qiu sent the PR applications for his 
	wife on Aug. 11 and got an appointment  date for interview at the same 
	day. But two weeks later, he got a letter from the local INS to cancel
	the appointment. He didn't know what is happened to him. I appriceate
	an answer from our netters. Does anyone have the same experience?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"wen@riscy.ucsb.edu"  3-SEP-1993 18:31:17.00

	I am covered by CSPA-principal program and I got married after I 
	submitted my application for PR to INS.  Do you have any information 
	about what shall I do if I want apply PR for my wife. I appreciate 
	your help.

=================================== THE END ===================================

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep  4 12:30:07 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA11067); Sat, 4 Sep 93 12:30:07 CDT
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 93 12:30:07 CDT
Message-Id: <9309041727.AA19018@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 
Status: RO


Q: WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY "UNDOCUMENTED CHINESE NATIONALS" ? 
A: Undocumented means those who entered without proper documents, e.g.,
   those who walked through Mexican Border without being checked by an INS
   officer. Many Chinese nationals boarded cargo ship to sail to the American
   shores. Some of them run aground, like the "Golden Venture".
Dear Lads-net netters:

1) Our number of signature e-mails has reached 607. It is still hard to
estimate how many signatures we have right now, but it is well over 1500,
and it is still increasing.

2) LCnet and CND-US both carried our petition drive-related news and 
signature collecting address. Since most schools start in September, 
we can expect more netters to back our petition.

3) One netter told us his although he got his lads application filed, and 
had an appointment date set for his lads, however, the appointment has been
cancelled by the INS afterwards, and he does not know why. The incident was 
reported and carried by lads-net newsrelease. So, the conclusion: it is not
the time to celebrate for your lads. Even you have got an interview date,
it is still not final.

4) IFCSS HQ is now working hard on lads-related issue. Although the golden
time of June and July has passed, there is still room for us to put on 
pressure. One of my friends with DED lads hired a very famous lawyer for his
case. The lawyer addmitted that he himself does not know the rules for DED
lads. No body knows, says he, even INS people. But he has not received any
rejections so far from NYC INS. One thing very interesting is, he 
thinks EB-3 is good and fast for my friend. He said if the waiting list for
EB-3 is getting longer, then he will file FB-2 for my friend as well. He 
believes, there might be a blanket waiver for those DED lads for third 
country interview. So, keep on working hard is important. While LCnet
and CND-US carried our letter, it is very important for us to work with all
the parties to pursue our demand.

5) In order to get more signaturs, we are trying to reach out to the Chinese
Immigrants Community in general. We have persuad one local paper to carry our
petition lettter. We also plan to put it to the World Journal. Since putting
lads into world quota benefits Chinese Community in general, we believe we
will receive more and more signatures. But, due to the limited manpower we
have, we are calling you, our dear netters, to step forward to become our
local coordinators, to actively participate in our signature drive nationwide.
Please give us your phone number and address, if your are willing to be our
local coordinator. Your duties will be answering some phone calls, and collect
signatures, and send them back to the lads-net collecting e-mail address. 
Please help lads-net and help yourselves!
 
6) We plan to send out petition letter in waves. Each wave of letter contains
the signatures collected in the previous time interval, say, in two weeks.
The stragety is to keep INS and concerned officials reminded our demand, until
the problem is finally solved, or we have exhuasted of our options. We are 
finalizing our letter, to find a native reader to proofread it. We are also
working on the Chinese version for Chinese medias. Once the English version
is ready, we will send out our first wave of letters. IFCSS HQ has supplied 
us with appropriate addresses, and we will ask for more.

Keep on working!

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee




 

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep  4 22:37:23 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA11968); Sat, 4 Sep 93 22:37:23 CDT
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 93 22:37:23 CDT
Message-Id: <9309050334.AA20276@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Is there anyone who got approval?
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 
Status: RO


Hi, netters, since the fiscal year reaches the end, it is bothersome none
gets approved yet. 

Security check need 45 days. And 65 days has passed. Those with notice date
of 7/1 should have something like approval. Remember State Department started
to issue visa number begining on August 1.......

There should be 15,000 visas issued up to now, but nothing happens yet..

Then the problem is, is it possible for INS people to make fully use of 
the 46,000 leftover this year? If not, how many winning lotteray visas 
are handed out by September 30? How many unluky ones have to wait until next 

year? It was said there are only 20,000 leftover for the next year. Say, only
20,000 winning tickets this year, and, some one has to wait until 1995...

Well, maybe INS people want to mail out all the approval notice on September
30, to give you guys a big, big suprise...... 

Mi Mi

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep  5 22:56:26 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA14375); Sun, 5 Sep 93 22:56:26 CDT
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 93 22:56:26 CDT
Message-Id: <9309060354.AA25697@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re: Is there anyone who got approval?
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 
Status: RO


DLI@ecs.umass.edu wrote:
/HI, There:
/A few people here at UMass (amherst) have received the approval notice from
/the EAST center. I don't how many. My friend told me last Thursday he
/and his son were imformed of the approval. However, His wife had not
/received the approval notice yet by the time he told me.
/This is for your information. Keep up the good work.
/Li,    9/5/93

If any of our lads-net netters have received approval notice, please inform
us immediately. Also please report your lads-related information to us. This
is very important to monitor the development of INS policy. Please do not
go away when you got your approval notice. Thank you very much!

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep  6 10:35:57 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA15743); Mon, 6 Sep 93 10:35:57 CDT
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 93 10:35:57 CDT
Message-Id: <9309061533.AA26942@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: We are sending first round of petition letter very soon!
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 
Status: RO


Hi, everybody! We lads-net committee are going to send our first round of
petition letters very soon. One of our committee members is seeking a native
English Professor to proof read our letter. Once he finishes, we will send out
our first round of petition letters with signatures rushed in before August 25.
The strategy is, never set up a deadline for our netters, never stop sending
petition letters until we get the attention we need. We will continue to send
out our petition letters with new groups of signature. First around is 525.
The cut off date is August 25. Next, it will be another 500 or so. At the same
time, we are seeking help from local Chinese newapapers to publish our petition
letter. Our group's name is "Quan2 Mei3 Ho4 Dao4 Jia1 Su3 Lian2 He2 Hui4",
or National Lads Association. We are trying to collect signatures from general
Chinese Public. 

If you, our dear netters, did not sign your names, please do so. If you know
anyone who is willing to sign, please ask their permission and send their 
signatures to us. Your signatures are confidential. Your signatures will be 
used ONLY for our petition purposes.

Mi Mi

lads-net Committee


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep  7 09:47:26 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA18689); Tue, 7 Sep 93 09:47:26 CDT
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 09:47:26 CDT
Message-Id: <9309071444.AA00211@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: LC's letter to Lads Editore
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 
Status: RO

Subject:Letters to the editor from a LC to LADS-net
--------

J9LI@stthomas.edu wrote:

Subject: Re:  Can you provide proof of LCnet's involvement in your plan?

I am a LCneter. If this net is cooperating with you, I would review my
standing. If it is true, a little group LCs are willing to sign.
Reply please.
J Li
9/4/93

Mi Mi replied:

Thank you very much for your interest in signing Lads-net's petition letter.
As a matter of fact, your LCnet newsreleas carried the letter, that is the 
involvement of your LCnet with us. I can not provide more details, since 
the detailed cooperation is subject to the two different Committees, not
for the public. If you do not have that newrelease, please let me know.

As an earlier comer, I can say I have been exposed the Western Democracy
longer than you do, right? When you make a decision, please use your own
mind. Please recall that during Culture Revolution, many followed someone
without much pondering, and history proves they did wrong. I do not mean 
your LCnet is leading you the wrong way. I respect LCnet Working Committee,
They are doing excellent job in coordinating all the parties involved.  
I am proud of them. You will find out yourself. Honestly,
I can tell you, me, Mi Mi, have no LADs myself. My family are all 
principals. My voluntary work, is to help the CSS community in general. 
Think about this, and ask around. When we CSS LC and lads are fighting each
other, who is gaining the maximum benefits out of CSPA? I am not against 
those undocumented Chinese nationals, they are our fellow-country men. Those
lawyers are trying very hard to have those undocumented Chinese nationals
be included, so they can have more bussiness. This is done on the expense of
whose? Me? CSPAers with Lads? no. You? yes! While those undocumented
Chinese nationals are taking world-wide qiota without hurting you,
their lads, are going to take China's EB-3 and FB-2 quotas, per INA.
That is why this message is important to you, LCnetter, as you called
yourself, my brothers and sisters!.

Tell you the truth. We, lads-net and LCnet, have no money to lobby congress.
Neither has IFCSS. No one is interested in us, since democrats are now in 
White House. We are left with few options, no money, less manpower. If we
still fight each other, wasting our precious resources this way, then the 
outcome is obivious. Think about this.

Best wishes,

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee

======================================================================

Finally, J9LI@stthomas.edu signs Lads-net's petition letter.
Congradulations! You made a wise move! And thanks for your precious
support! United, we can make a difference!

Mi Mi 

Lads-net Committee




From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep  7 10:57:45 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA18824); Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:57:45 CDT
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:57:45 CDT
Message-Id: <9309071555.AA00352@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Call for local coordinators
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 
Status: RO


Re: Calling for Lads-net local coordinators

Dear Lads-l netters! We lads-net committee are trying very hard to push our
petition letter drive. While we committee members are paying from our own 
pockets for the communication expenses, working day and night to promote the 
interests of all the lads-net members, we, are facing severe shortage of 
manpower and financial support. While we are not expecting any donations from
society (we tried to seek support from IFCSS, but they do not have any), we do 
hope some of you can step out to become our local coordinators. Our task will
be: 

1) find local Chinese newspapers, and try to persuade them to carry our 
news letter, 

2) provide your addresses and phone numbers to collect local 
signatures, 

3) input the signatures into computer and send them back to us.

As we do not have any financial backup to lobby congress, to hire 
lawyers, The only way is to unite and to help ourselvs.

Up to now, we have clues to publish our newsletter in NYC, and Boston. We 
need to do more, much more, to get ourselves be heard!

Thanx for your support!

Mi Mi 

Lads-net Committee


 

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep  7 11:37:20 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA19019); Tue, 7 Sep 93 11:37:20 CDT
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 11:37:20 CDT
Message-Id: <9309071634.AA00461@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Approve letter
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 
Status: RO


I got several independent reports about the approve notice. One is from
UMass, the other on from SUNY. The SUNY guy called Eastern Center hotline,
and the recorded message says his son's case is approved. Try to check for
yourselvs. It is only a phone call away. If, the INS is doing too slow, 
then the 46,000 visa quota for CSPA this year might be wasted. If a large
chunk of CSPA principals are left for the comming year, just remember there
is only 20,000 quota available next year according to INS's estimation. 
We have to check this and find out the truth. We can not wait until it is 
too late. 

For minor children, it is much faster to get a greencard. They do not
need security check. Remember children under 14 do not have to submit
finger prints and biography, that are for FBI's security check only.
While the SUNY guy has his son's case approved, it might be his son is 
under 14. So his son got approved right away. 

It is truely alarming that, there are only 24 days left for the cut off
fiscal year 1993, and not many CSPAers are getting approve notice.

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep  7 14:29:21 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA19395); Tue, 7 Sep 93 14:29:21 CDT
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 14:29:21 CDT
Message-Id: <9309071926.AA00841@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: FYI
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 
Status: RO

Lads-net netters:

Following is the newsrelease from lc-l. Please pay attention to the item 1:
"A Brief Report About the Meeting With the IFCSS Officials", which, gives you
some clues of how our lads-related problem is treated. Item 2 gives you what
our counterpart net is doing or plan to do. While Item 3 is not much importance
to our netters, the item 4 does give us some useful information if some of
our lads are minor children.

For the sake of mis-understanding who is relaying this newsrelease, I put my
signature here. Last time some netters thought I was sending information to
them by mistake, and retaliated me with huge amount of junk mails, and me, 
Mi Mi, barely survived such a friendly attack! (just kidding! In order to 
handle the huge workload involved with lads-net, I shifted to this almost 
unlimited account).

Again, we need your understanding and cooperation.

Thank you for your attention!

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee

==================Forwarded Message======================================

Subject: LCnet News-release 9/7/93
Status: R


+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                                                                          |
|                           WE CAME AFTER 04/11/93                         |
|                                  NETWORK                                 |
|                                                                          |
|                              September 7, 1993                           |
|                                                                          |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+

                              Table of Contents
   ====================================================================
   1. A Brief Report About the Meeting With the IFCSS Officials
   2. Several Questions about LCs Working Committee
   3. Signatures Call for Supporting China's 2000 Olympic Games Bidding
   4. Books and Magzines Service: msg from Pacific Ranbow Company
   ====================================================================

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. A Brief Report About the Meeting With the IFCSS Officials
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

     LCs Working Committee member, Mr. Xiaodong Huang of North Carolina 
State University participated a meeting held on last Saturday at University 
of North Carolina with IFCSS officials. Apart from Mr. Lin Changsheng, 
current IFCSS President, and Mr. Heping Shi, current IFCSS Vice President, 
there were only about 8 people attended the meeting. All the attendants 
are ECs except Mr. Huang. The following is a brief report about the meeting.

    (1) Several of them are in our LCnet mailing list. They praised for 
          the works and were happy to see that Mr. Chengyan Liu joined the 
          IFCSS instead of spliting of the CSS community;
    (2) Mr. Shi mentioned to Mr. Huang that Mr. Chengyan Liu can get his 
          own people for his committee;
    (3) Illegal immigrants can apply for CSPA (everybody can, actually), 
          but the chance to be approved is not big. However, PRC citizen 
          who came to this country but fell out of status later is also 
          eligible for CSPA;
    (4) Ms. Rita A. Boie just came back from vocation and the comments 
          concerned with CSPA become a pile on her desk;
    (5) More than 40,000 students may get their GC soon;
    (6) IFCSS had stopped to lobby for LADs.
    (7) 9 of the 16 council members of IFCSS are LCs. They can do what-
          ever they want in favor of LCs. They make the real decisions, 
          and IFCSS HQ should implement them. So it is important to get 
          those council members if we want IFCSS to work for us;
    (8) They will analyze the results and impact of CSPA when some con-
          crete data are available.
    (9) According to the Mr. Lin and Mr. Shi, Dr. Zhao Haiqing is now 
          working for a law firm to lobby for the possible eligibility
          of illegal immigrants to adjust their status under CSPA.

     The meeting also talked about the business, human rights, scholar-
ships, phone cards, medical insurance, data base for finding jobs, and etc.

     Another point worth to be mentioned is that everybody was sad that 
there were just a few people showing up, compared with the time when CSPA 
was introduced. 

     LCs Working Committee

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
2. Several Questions about LCs Working Committee
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Editor's note: Recently, we get lots of e-mail questioning the operations
                of LCs Working Committee. It's an encouragement as well as
                a democratic requirment. It's our obligation to answer these
                questions. If you still didn't satisfy the answer, please
                send your request to lc-l@ifcss.org.]

Q. How is your organization being operated, e.g. financing, negotiating, 
   public relationship, etc.?

A. Basically, everything done so far by LCs Working Committee is based on
   committee member's willingness to voluntarily serve Late Arriving Fellow
   Chinese Students and Scholars. There's no budget since there's no way
   for financing our activities. At the worst time, some of the committee
   members financed by their credit card. Every week, the Chairman of the
   committee announce a brief plan for discussion, and after the committee
   members reach a consensus, they will do their best to let the plan work. 
   We committee hold a principal to make friends as many as possible instead 
   of enemy. However, we will stand up firmly to fight with the real enemy.

Q. Do you contact lawyers constantly? Any expenses?

A. Recently, we committee members consulted with some lawyers in order to  
   get best possible solution. Almost all of them are our friends, so there
   is little expense envolved. However, we expected some mild expenses or 
   even more than mild expenses would be included in our budget. 

Q. When do you want to start to lobby INS and congress? What's the goal? 

A. Now we are trying to establish a close connection with INS, Department 
   of Justice, White House and Senator Immigration Sub-Committee. That's
   not a easy job. Just think about how long the CSPA get passed. The 
   primary goal of lobbying at current time is to reduce the negative 
   impacts of Illegal Chinese immigrants and LADs on LCs. 

Q. What's the relationship between you and IFCSS HQ?

A. First, we are independent. That's the fundamental principal which guide 
   the committee's operation. We see IFCSS as a feasible channel to achieve 
   what we want to. Now, we are contacting IFCSS through Mr. Chengyan Liu, 
   the chairman of newly established committee for LCs under IFCSS. Although
   IFCSS hosted the LCnet, we, the LC Wroking Committee, have the whole
   control over the LCnet.  

Q. Do you have an outline of your work? 

A. Since the world always change, we cannot give you a specific plan. How-
   ever, we'll update our working report when it's available.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
3. Signatures Call for Supporting China's 2000 Olympic Games Bidding
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The following message is just for your information. -- LCnet Editors

Date: Fri, 3 Sep 93 10:04:48 MDT
>From: jli@mines.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
To: LC-L@ifcss.org

        Now, you can FTP the lastest information and the signatures file.
Here is the procedure:

        FTP spike.rice.edu
        userID:         Anonymous
        password:       Anything you like
        directory:      China2000
        Files:          open.letter, signatures
        To copy:        get open.letter
                        get signatures

        Go ahead and give it a try!

                   *******************************
                   ***** CALL FOR SIGNATURES *****
                   *******************************

        We have drafted an ONE-SENTENCE open letter to support Beijing's bid
for the 2000 Olympics.  Please see the following for details.

        In order to triple double the number of signatures, here is
what we can do: (1) add the names of your family members if they also
support the idea; (2) collect signatures (names) from your friends who
don't have access to network computers and send all the signatures to
CHINA2000@SPIKE.RICE.EDU; and (3) DISTRIBUTE THE INFORMATION TO THE 
NETWORKS AND NEWSGROUPS IN YOUR COUNTRY AND YOUR LOCAL AREA.

1.  The content of the OPEN LETTER has only ONE SINGLE SENTENCE:

        WE FIRMLY SUPPORT BEIJING'S BID FOR THE 2000 OLYMPICS!
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
2.  If you, your family members and your friends agree and want to sign for 
    support, please send their:  (one line for each person please)

        LAST NAME,FIRST NAME    SCHOOL OR CITY      COUNTRY
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    TO:     
                         ************************ 
                         CHINA2000@SPIKE.RICE.EDU
                         ************************

3.  DEADLINE:  9/8/93 Wednesday 12:00 Noon EST (USA).  No signatures will
    be accepted after the deadline.  The international Olympic Committee
    will vote on 9/23/93 to decide which city will host the 2000 Olympics!

4.  For latest news, please also pay attention to the following newsgroups:
        soc.culture.china       rec.sport.olympics 
        soc.culture.taiwan      soc.culture.hongkong

5.  The signatures will be:

        handed over to IOC-HQ IN PERSON!
        handed over to Beijing Olympic Bid Committee IN PERSON!
        mailed to US Olympic Committee.

    Thanks for all the support! Together, we can make a difference!

                ====================================
                BEIJING 2000 OLYMPICS UPDATE: 9/2/93
                ====================================

        We have collected about 3000 signatures. Here is a picture of the 
first 2550 supporters: 

                   Country/Area         # of Signatures 
                (current residence)        (estimate)   Rank

                        Australia               126     4
                        Belgium                  30     10
                        Canada                  360     2
                        China                    24
                        Finland                  84     5 
                        France                   45     8
                        Germany                  49     6
                        Holland                  13
                        Hong Kong                 1 
                        Israel                   23 
                        Italy                    18 
                        Japan                    47     7
                        Malaysia                  1 
                        Netherlands              22 
                        Norway                   12 
                        Singapore                18 
                        Sweden                   27 
                        Switzerland              32     9
                        Taiwan                   17 
                        UK                      224     3       
                        USA                    1378     1       

----------------------------------------------------------------------
4. Books and Magzines Service: msg from Pacific Rainbow Company
----------------------------------------------------------------------

>From jialuo@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu Fri Sep 3 16:29:54 1993
			
                           WE BRIDGE THE GAP!

	Are you tired of reading English text books or papers? Do you want
to get relaxation while reading a short essay in a Chinese magzine you are
familar with or a novel you love? Do you feel pitty not being able to find
any Chinese reading materials and text books for your children's
pre-school and elementary education?
	Now, "Pacific Rainbow Company" (PRC) can help you. The PRC
recently establish a brandnew service which we call:" We bridge the gap!"
The service distributes Chinese books and magzines published in China
directly to oversea Students/Scholars through mail order. The books and
magzines in our catalog are carefully seleted from the most recent and
popular publications in China, and ranged from literature, science,
sports, entertainment, history, health, social news to children's reading
and eduction. We also offer subscription of newspapaers in China.
	The prices, we think, are very reasonable (Around $ 2.00 a book,
$1.00 an issue of magzine, postage and tax have been included). If you
have any special orders, we'll also try our best to satisfy you. We hope
that this service can help the information flow from our motherland to us
and compensate the "homesick" among us, by using this culture rainbow to
bridge the gap.
	For free catalog and ordering information, please contact: (Don't
forget to incldue your regular mailing address, we'll mail it to you)

LUO, Jia
email:jialuo@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
Tel.319-353-4624
Pacific Rainbow Co.
513 Hawkeye Court
Iowa City, IA 52246 

or
Yu, Nai-xuan
email: shaobing@cgl.ucsf.edu
Tel:415-664-5269
450 Ortega st.
San Francisco, CA 94122
--------------------------------------------------------------------------



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Editors' note: 
If your friends want to sub this list, please tell them send
    SUB LC-L first name last name
as body msg to listserv@ifcss.org. If you or your friends want sign off this 
list, please send
    UNSUB LC-L
as body msg to listserv@ifcss.org.
If you want post something, please send it to lc-l@ifcss.org. 

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|        Editor-in-Chief: Enhua He, New York University                    |
|        Excutive Editors: Xiaodong Huang, North Carolina State Univ.      |
|                          Chengyan Liu, Washington Univ. at St. Louis     |   
|        Comments and Posts: lc-l@ifcss.org                                |
|        Sign on/off: listserv@ifcss.org                                   |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+






From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep  7 15:07:54 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA19516); Tue, 7 Sep 93 15:07:54 CDT
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 15:07:54 CDT
Message-Id: <9309072005.AA01048@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 
Status: RO

Re: Letters to the editor

Item 1:
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1993 13:29:21 -0500
>From: DLI@ecs.umass.edu
Subject: Re: Is there anyone who got approval?

Hi, Mi Mi:
Sorry to respond late. But my terminal was out of order in past a few days.
Regarding my friend's situation, he and his family have a priority date of
July 1. They were among those people who received their receipts earliest.
He himself is a postdoctor. You are right in saying that children are
getting approved much quicker since the approval cases I heard of were
most for children. However, I guess from this week, a lot of people will
receive their approval letters as well.

I appreciate the work you are doing. No matter what, we chinese as a
community, need more people like you.
Li,   9/7/93

Item 2:

Date:         Tue, 7 Sep 1993 15:13:07 EDT
>From: Hugo Huang <YHUANG31%MAINE.bitnet@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Aproval Notice

My kid got his approval notice last Thursday(Sept.2). We sent the
applications in separate packages on June 30, and got our receipts on
July 17, and 24. Actually my kid received his receipt last (July 24),
but he got the aproval notice first. My wife and I haven't got the
decision letter from INS yet. I have learn in several cases  that kids
received their aproval notices already, but not their parents. Just as
someone on the net point out that kids under 14 don't need go through
the security check and relatively took much less time to process their
applications compared to their parents. Just for your information.

============End of Messages============================================

Mi Mi writes: There is 45 days required at least for FBI people to do 
the security check. If your kids received their approval notices, remember
you guys need 45 days more to wait. It is good news that some DO receive
the  approval notices, but, most of them are children. At this time, we 
just worry about the prospective wast of visa numbers. Remember, there are
only 20,000 leftover for next year! Hope IFCSS people can find out some
truth.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep  9 13:07:03 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA26623); Thu, 9 Sep 93 13:07:03 CDT
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 13:07:03 CDT
Message-Id: <9309091806.AA15673@lucerne.rice.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2ca.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2ca.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (lin huang)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: CCF deliveres Lads-net and LCnet Introductions
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

CCF, Chinese Community Forum, carrys two brief introductions on two nets

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee

===============Included Message From CCF===============================
==========***==========***==========**==========***==========***==========
2a. A Brief introduction of Late-Arriving-Dependents (LADs) Network
    ............................................................ Mi Mi  36
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
LADs network was established on July 26. It was initiated by Peiyuan Zhou
<pei@nit.pactel.com>, who suggested on ccnl that all the netters with
lads-problems organize themselves to share lads related information
through a private mailing list. Very soon the number of netters increased
so rapidly that it became very difficult to be handled by Peiyuan Zhou
himself.  Then Jun Wu <snow@lucerne.rice.edu> offered his computer
resources to host the list. After CND-US reported the lads-net's sign-on
address, the number of netters has reached its peak. Now the lads-net
becomes a listserv (1), and has over 1000 subscribers. During early
August, the net was filled with so many e-mail messages that some of the
netters volunteered to organize a committee.  The purpose of this
committee was to compile questions and answers, dispatch messages, and
discuss the current issues. It was not until August 12 when Lads-net
Committee began to reach out to the CSS community in general.  The
Lads-net Committee has contacted LCnet Working Committee, IFCSS,
Dr. Zhao's NCCA and various other agencies. The current issues of
Lads-net Committee are:
        A) Keep close contact with various agencies to solve
lads-related problems,
        B) Write petition letters and collect signatures (2) to
persuade INS HQ that lads be included in the world-wide quota;
        C) Continue to provide lads-net netters with timely
lads-related information;
        D) Collect lads-related information.

Mi Mi

The Lads-net Committee

(1) To lads-l unsubscribe, send a e-mail to listserv@spike.rice.edu,
with mail body as: sub lads-l Firstname Lastname.
(2) To sign your signature on our petition letter, please send
a mail to lads-sig@spike.rice.edu.
The desired format is:
Mr./Ms/Miss:Name,Address,City,State,ZipCode,Tel#
        Co-signed Spouse,
        Co-signed Child.

                               [hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu, 9/5/93]
==========***==========***==========**==========***==========***==========
2b. A Brief History of LAFCSs Movement .................. Chengyan Liu  70
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
           [The following article only expresses my personal
           opinions, it cannot be related to any committees.]

      Chinese Students Protection Act (CSPA) is a sign of hope as well as
a sign of frustration. It divides Chinese Students and Schoalrs (CSS)
community into two parts: those who came to the US before April 11, 1990
and those who came after.  It stirs up the internal fight among CSS
community.  Fortunately, the majority of CSS community are rational enough
to cool down and cooperate with each other to achieve the best they can.
      Past two months were crucial. Unsatisfied Late Arriving Fellow
Chinese Students (LAFCSs) demonstrated their unity and strength when they
found their potential rights would be deprived if they were not going to
stand up for themselves.
      On July 6, 1993, a group of LAFCSs in Los Angeles set up an e-mail
account and sent out the alert message which said the worst possible
damage for LAFCSs was to wait 16 years before they can get Permanent
Resident (PR) application approved. Followed this message, LAFCSs across
the United States woke up. They felt angry and betrayed. They
redistributed the related messages as much as they can.
      About July 12, a primitive network had been formed. They distributed
a petition letter written by a group of LAFCSs at Univ. of Wisconsin. The
main points was to persuade INS and related offices change the Interim
CSPA Implementation Regulation and considered the interests of LAFCSs.
      On July 19, upon the request of one LAFCS at Univ. of Pennsylvania,
Mr. Shannon Yeh set up late-comers net. It's a controversial action. Since
the reputation of Mr. Yeh is infamous among many Early Comers (ECs), they
just simply thought that the late-comers net would do no good for CSS
community.
      However, the truth is not as simple as 1+1=2. On July 24, the first
e-mail meeting of Interim Committee was held through Internet. They
intended to send some representatives to Washington D.C. since there was
no proper channel to solve the problem. They phoned IFCSS HQ, they phoned
several IFCSS council members, urged them to do something for the crisis
situation. But they failed. They couldn't trust IFCSS anymore.
      The nightmare didn't stop. On July 27, CND-US carried an improper
information to help the late-comers net. This resulted in a resignation
of Editor-in-Chief of the late-comers net.
      Meanwhile, some members of the Interim Committee found that Mr. Yeh
wnat to use the late-comers net with his personal purpose. They decided to
get rid of the crazy guy and move the whole net to a personal account at
Washington Univ. at St. Louis.
      They encountered lots of difficulties with the turbulent environment.
The only choice was the petition letter campaign before the deadline:
August 2nd. From July 31st, in only two days, they collected more than 700
signatures. The petition letter with all the signatures was faxed to White
House, Attorney General and INS.
      Experienced all the victories and troubles, they became mature.  A
totally new LCs Working Committee was formed by August 10th. Their inten-
tion is beyond CSPA though the CSPA was still an major focus. They try to
provide good service to LAFCSs and to bridge the gap between LAFCSs and
their motherland beyond CSPA.
      They learned how to fight for their rights through a proper channel.
On August 14th and 21st, the Chairman of LCs Working Committee was invited
to attend the first tele-conference of IFCSS council. They geared up
before and after the meeting to lobby the best possible results. Two
resolutions in favor of LAFCSs were passed unanimously.
      They also try to cooperate with LADs-net. Their strategies is to
make friends as many as possible instead of enemy.
      So far, LAFCSs are very happy to see their LCs Working Committee
work for them efficiently. However, we must say that the current situation
is not good enough for LAFCSs. There are LADs and illegal Chinese
immigrants, all of them are unpredictable factors at current time. If they
celebrate what they have achieved now, they may loss everything in future.
      There's a serious question to be answered, what's the goal beyond
CSPA?  If no one can answer this question, the LAFCSs movements would
become only a closed chapter of the whole history of the CSS community.
Personally, I hope both LAFCSs and ECs can discuss this question at
various level. It'll benefit CSS community as a whole.

      Chengyan Liu at Washington Univ., St. Louis

                                           [cliu@wuecon.wustl.edu, 9/8/93]
==========***==========***==========**==========***==========***==========
5. Forecast of the coming issue themes ......................... EBCCF   8
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Here is a tentative schedule for the coming issues and their themes:

     9/15/93(# 93.03):  IFCSS: Today and tomorrow (I)
     9/22/93(# 93.04):  ?

     The EBCCF welcomes contributions to the announced topics in coming
issues and invites recommendations for subsequent topics in future issues.

                                      [net-cord@lab.ultra.nyu.edu, 9/8/93]

+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
+ Executive Editor: Ning Luo            Executive Moderator: Weihe Guan +
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
+ For subscription: mail "SUB CHINA-NT Your-First-Name Your-Last-Name"  +
+     to: LISTSERV@UGA.BITNET  or  listserv@uga.cc.uga.edu (internet)   +
+ For back issues of CCF:                                               +
+     anno ftp to cnd.org[132.249.229.100]:~ftp/pub/community/CCF       +
+ For contribution and inquiry: mail to net-cord@lab.ultra.nyu.edu      +
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
                                                                                


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep  9 14:31:33 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA26899); Thu, 9 Sep 93 14:31:33 CDT
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 14:31:33 CDT
Message-Id: <9309091928.AA09552@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Lads-net Petition, 1st Round
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Dear Lads-net Netters:

After revisions made by various concerned netters, and a Ph.D. candidate 
majoring English and his Professor, we finalized our petition letter. 
Since the signatures are still rushing in, we lads-net committee decide to 
send out our petition letters in waves, each wave contains a new collection 
of signatures, until we get the attention we need. 

As CSPA is implemented, our lads, are left forgotten by some parties. More
attention is paid to our undocumented fellow country people, since they
bring more, much more bussiness to the Immigration Lawyer's Community. As
our counterpart, the late-arriving-students are organizing themselvs to 
vigorously participate in the IFCSS and CSPA affairs, we lads community, 
are patiently sitting on the "cold benches" watching the games going on.
Well, we need to do something more than watching.

Following is the final version of our petition letter, and addresses you 
can send them the letters. Our collective petition letters containing first
round of signatures (total 524, cut off before August 25) are sent out by 
Mi Mi and other aommittee members. It is your turn to send in yours, with
your signatures and address. Since there is no lawyers working on our side
(we can not afford the price), since so many lawyers working very hard on the 
other side, we have to do something. If we are even forgotten by ourselvs,
than who cares us? 

Please step forward, and fire your round of bullets: each dear netter
fires 5 bullets, and there will be 1000 letters for each recipients, and 
that will surely make a difference! Remember what I forwarded to you the
other day, Madam Rita A.Boie is back from her vocation, and Mr. Clinton
has nothing particular to do in the comming weekend, so, please!


Madam Rita A.Boie
Senior Immigration Examier
Adjudication Branch
Immigration & Naturalization Services
425 I Street NW, room 5307
Washington, DC 20536
FAX: (202)514-0198

White House:
The Honorable William Clinton
The White House
1600 Pennsyvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington DC 20500
FAX: (202) 456-2461

Attorney General
The Honorable Madam Janet Reno
U.S. Attorney General
Fax: (202) 514-4371

Ms. Philis Coven
Assistant to Attorney General
Fax:(202)-514-0238

Mr. Eric Schwartz
Director of Refugees & Humanitarian Affairs
National Security Council
The White House, !600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington D.C. 20506


RE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)

RE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)



	We, a group of concerned individuals who have signed 
our names and addresses below, would like to call your 
kindly attention to the following problems involved in 
subjecting Late-Arriving Dependents (LAD) of CSPA principals 
to the China quota.

	(1) According to the survey made by the Headquarters of 
the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars 
(IFCSS HQ), there are approximately 10000 eligible LADs in 
the U.S., who may file their applications under EB-3 or FB-2 
during this August and September. Since the annual China 
quota in EB-3 or FB-2 is about 2500, these LADs only will 
cause a backlog in China's quota for at least four years. 
This means that no other Chinese nationals can file 
applications for adjustment of status under EB-3 or FB-2 
categories in the next four years. What is worse, according 
to the INS Cable on August 13, those undocumented Chinese 
nationals who came before April 11, 1990 and have since 
obtained an advance parole to re-enter the U.S. are now 
allowed to apply under CSPA. While this new decision 
reflects the humanitarian and protective spirit embedded in 
the Executive Order 12711, these additional applicants with 
their LADs actually face even greater difficulties, because 
most of their LADs are queued after the existing pool of 
LADs whose principals entered the United States legally. 
These people, then, will be subject to an even longer period 
of family separation. In addition, the unpredictable number 
of LADs of undocumented Chinese nationals will jam the 
normal China EB-3 and FB-2 categories for even more years. 
The traditional values of family ties, family unity and 
humanity, cherished so dearly by the American people, are 
also deeply rooted in the Chinese culture and in every 
Chinese family. The anticipated long separation due to visa 
quota allocation will surely bring agony and misery to those 
families, in contradiction to the humanitarian spirit 
embedded in the INA, Executive order 12711 and CSPA.

	(2) For dependents still remaining in China, the 
situation is even more bleak. These individuals, most of 
whom are minor children, as our survey of our LADs community 
shows, would be required to wait in China until visa numbers 
are available. They could potentially be separated from 
their parents for many years. The separation will not only 
deprive these minor children of their much needed parental 
care, but also strain the precious family ties in those 
families. In addition, many of the dependents, both in the 
U.S. and in China, who are now considered children, might 
reach the age of 21 prior to visa availability. This would 
disqualify them for visa issuance.

	To solve these problems, we would like to suggest the 
following:

	(1) Re-allocate the LADs into the world quota. Since 
the CSPA principals have been allocated into the world-wide 
quota leftovers for fiscal year 1993, it is reasonable to 
assume that there might be similar world-wide quota 
leftovers for the next few years. Instead of wasting these 
leftover world-wide quotas while letting the LADs block 
China's regular EB-3 and EB-2 channels, re-allocating LADs 
to the world quota would solve the backlog problem, thus 
benefiting many Chinese families at the expense of no-one.

	(2) Establish a blanket family unity program to include 
all late-arriving dependents. This program should mirror the 
benefits of Executive Order 12711 in (a) giving favorable 
considerations to the dependents in China who request non-
immigrant visas to visit their family in the U.S., so that 
their visa application will not be simply rejected due to 
the "immigration intent"; (b) presuming the non-immigrant 
status of LADs for adjustment purposes, so as to eliminate 
the DED problem faced by an estimated 50% of the LAD 
population; (c) providing liberal advance paroles; (d) 
providing employment authorization for the dependents while 
their applications are being processed; and (e) allowing 
children who are under twenty-one on the date of the CSPA 
principal's approval to be eligible for adjustment, even if 
they are over twenty-one at the date of application for such 
adjustment. This family unity program should solve problems 
in the case by case voluntary departure program and shorten 
family separation resulting from non-immigrant visa denial.

	Thank you for your attention. We are most anxiously 
looking forward to hearing from you.


Sincerely Yours,









From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep  9 15:50:18 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA27065); Thu, 9 Sep 93 15:50:18 CDT
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 15:50:18 CDT
Message-Id: <01H2R2D0A9DE985D5X@draco.rutgers.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: LAD.09-09-93
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

 % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %
 %   The following are packed messages sent by LAD-netters in the past few   %
 %   days.  Please address your correspondence to the sender.                %
 %   To sign on, send email to listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mail body as:   %
 %	sub lads-l firstname lastname                                        %
 %   To sign off, sendm email to listserv@spike.rice.edu,with mail body as:  %
 %	signoff lads-l                                                       %
 %   Please send your post, questions, answers, opinions, to                 %
 %		lads@lucerne.rice.edu .                                      %
 %   The packages posted to LADnet are available via anonymous ftp from the  %
 %   site spike.rice.edu under the directory  /lads.                         %
 % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %

===============================================================================
Sender: csenet@watson.ibm.com    7-SEP-1993
Subject: approval & priority date

	Hi, there. I happened to see an approval notice last Saturday. It is for
	a ten year old boy. They live in Boston area and received the notice on
	Sept. 3. As now (not surprising), the adults in the family did not get
	any notice though they got receiving notices on the same day in July.

	However the priority date for the boy is Aug. 31, same as the approval
 	date. It is not so serious, since the boy can hardly have any lads. But
 	it would be serious if INS processed in this way. Is this a individual
 	case (INS made a small mistake when sending the notice) or the common 
	practices.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"XCAI@bnlcl6.bnl.gov"  9-SEP-1993 09:37:08.14
Subj:	LAD filing in NYC

	Dear Sirs:

	I have filed CSPA-dependent application for my wife in New York INS on
	8/29/93. The officer indicated to me that since our marriage happened
	after 4/11/91 we cannot file for "following-to join" petition in EB3
	catergory. After some argueing she reluctantly accepted our application
	package but said it would most likely to be rejected. 

	I wonder if anybody else has the same experience, especially in NYC 
	area. I am new in this mailing-list so if it is a FAQ please forgive me.

	Zhi-Xiong Cai
	Brookhaven National Lab

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"***@***.gatech.edu"   9-SEP-1993 15:39:28.01
Subj:	I-89

	I applied PR under CSPA thru the Texas service center. My receipt 
	didn't ask me to do I-89 and that's also true with most of my friends 
	that sent their applications to the Texas center. 
	But recently many CSS at Atlanta have gone to INS Atlanta to do the 
	I-89 processing, without instructions from the service center. I don't
	know how it got started, but INS Atlanta accepts them anyway. My 
	question is: should I also do that? and does this I-89 prevent me to 
	be approved in this year if it's not done by the end of this month?

================================================================================


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep  9 15:56:26 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA27117); Thu, 9 Sep 93 15:56:26 CDT
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 15:56:26 CDT
Message-Id: <9309092052.AA09953@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Mi Mi fired his first round of bullets:
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Dear netters: Mi Mi has fired his first round petition letters, 20 pages
each, with three ordinary mails and two faxes. It is your turn to fire
your rounds! Hopefully President Clinton will look at his fax machine 
and think something other than golf....

Best Wishes,

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep  9 16:00:21 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA27177); Thu, 9 Sep 93 16:00:21 CDT
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 16:00:21 CDT
Message-Id: <9309092057.AA09969@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Lads-net Petition Letter, A correction
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


One typo was found in the address, it should be:

Mr. Eric Schwartz
Director of Refugees & Humanitarian Affairs
National Security Council
The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington D.C. 20506

I typed as !600, instead of 1600. Sorry for the inconvienence!

Mi Mi


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep  9 17:08:36 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA27459); Thu, 9 Sep 93 17:08:36 CDT
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 17:08:36 CDT
Message-Id: <9309092205.AA10143@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re: Mi Mi fired his first round of bullets:
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi, we committee fire with collective signatures, up to 8/25. The rest will
be fired with each 500 new ones or so, just keep the pressure on. We strongly
encourage our netter to fire their own individual petition letters, through
mail and fax, to voice your concerns. Frankly speaking, we  lads-net 
committee do not have financial backings to hire lawyers to work for us, 
and we are short of everything, budget (none, up to now), manpower, except
the support from our dear netters. So please take actions to send our petition
letters to the concerned agencies, before it is too late. Remember, unite,
we stand. United, we can make a difference!

Mi Mi

lads-net Committee
/I am a little confused about "firing". You guys have collected the signature
/from me and would be going to send the letters with my signature and others'.
/Do I need to fire them by the letters with my signature again? Thanks.
/Donglin Mi


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep  9 20:05:38 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA27894); Thu, 9 Sep 93 20:05:38 CDT
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 20:05:38 CDT
Message-Id: <9309100103.AA10925@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: About sending your petition letters
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Hi, everybody! As suggested by some netters, hundreds of letters arrive at
the same time may not be a good idea. To make our voice be heard, we need
to push continuously. While we ladsc-net committee have no way to check
the petition letter firing, we need some co-ordination. I suggest the following:
everybody gets his/her petition letters ready. 

1) Each one who has fired please send a message to us, so we can count the
letters sent;
2) Those of you who have not fired please wait for committee's further 
instructions as when to fire, and who is going to fire. We may set a 
sequence according to your first names' first letter, say, if we say those
whose first letter is A to fire, then everybody with letter A as first letter
of his/her first name are required to fire.;

3) We will collect the progress and report it to you daily.

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee




From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep  9 20:26:50 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA28136); Thu, 9 Sep 93 20:26:50 CDT
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 20:26:50 CDT
Message-Id: <9309100124.AA11026@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: A new account to report your firing!
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


A new account is set up to collect your firing. Every one who has sent 
her/his petition letter please send a message to 

petition@spike.rice.edu

with your name in the mail body, and the reciepints you have sent to,
say, every one, or just Clintion, etc. While you fire off, we suggest 
you fire of all the 

five


We will check how many of you fired, and decide who is the next round.

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Sep 10 16:22:03 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA01455); Fri, 10 Sep 93 16:22:03 CDT
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 16:22:03 CDT
Message-Id: <9309102119.AA15797@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Unix vi format
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

>From shu@pollux.GEOG.UCSB.EDU Fri Sep 10 15:36:05 1993
Date:     Fri, 10 Sep 93 12:31:21 PDT
>From: shu@pollux.GEOG.UCSB.EDU
To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.EDU
Message-Id:  <9309101231.aa04786@pollux.GEOG.UCSB.EDU>
Status: R

Dear LADs-Net Netters:

For saving your time, I have formated the five petition letters separately with
UNIX vi editor. Please use this well-formated file to print your personal petition
letters if you work on UNIX. Let's help the LAD committee
members and also help ourselves.

The following is the formated letters:

==============================================================================
.ND 
.nr LL 6.0i
.nr PO 1.25i
.nr HM 1.25i
.ds CF
.ds CH
.nr PS 10
.nr VS 12
.in 4.5i
.LP
.B
September 9, 1993
.in 0i
.R
.LP
.br
Madam Rita A.Boie
.br
Senior Immigration Examier
.br
Adjudication Branch
.br
Immigration & Naturalization Services
.br
425 I Street NW, room 5307
.br
Washington, DC 20536
.br
FAX: (202)514-0198
.sp
.nr PS 11
.nr VS 15
\fBRE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)\fR
.sp 2 
.LP
\fBDear Madam Rita Boie:\fR
.sp 0.5v
.LP
We, a group of concerned individuals who have signed 
our names and addresses below, would like to call your 
kindly attention to the following problems involved in 
subjecting Late-Arriving Dependents (LAD) of CSPA principals 
to the China quota.
.LP
.sp
(1) According to the survey made by the Headquarters of 
the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars 
(IFCSS HQ), there are approximately 10000 eligible LADs in 
the U.S., who may file their applications under EB-3 or FB-2 
during this August and September. Since the annual China 
quota in EB-3 or FB-2 is about 2500, these LADs only will 
cause a backlog in China's quota for at least four years. 
This means that no other Chinese nationals can file 
applications for adjustment of status under EB-3 or FB-2 
categories in the next four years. What is worse, according 
to the INS Cable on August 13, those undocumented Chinese 
nationals who came before April 11, 1990 and have since 
obtained an advance parole to re-enter the U.S. are now 
allowed to apply under CSPA. While this new decision 
reflects the humanitarian and protective spirit embedded in 
the Executive Order 12711, these additional applicants with 
their LADs actually face even greater difficulties, because 
most of their LADs are queued after the existing pool of 
LADs whose principals entered the United States legally. 
These people, then, will be subject to an even longer period 
of family separation. In addition, the unpredictable number 
of LADs of undocumented Chinese nationals will jam the 
normal China EB-3 and FB-2 categories for even more years. 
The traditional values of family ties, family unity and 
humanity, cherished so dearly by the American people, are 
also deeply rooted in the Chinese culture and in every 
Chinese family. The anticipated long separation due to visa 
quota allocation will surely bring agony and misery to those 
families, in contradiction to the humanitarian spirit 
embedded in the INA, Executive order 12711 and CSPA.
.LP
.sp
(2) For dependents still remaining in China, the 
situation is even more bleak. These individuals, most of 
whom are minor children, as our survey of our LADs community 
shows, would be required to wait in China until visa numbers 
are available. They could potentially be separated from 
their parents for many years. The separation will not only 
deprive these minor children of their much needed parental 
care, but also strain the precious family ties in those 
families. In addition, many of the dependents, both in the 
U.S. and in China, who are now considered children, might 
reach the age of 21 prior to visa availability. This would 
disqualify them for visa issuance.
.LP
.sp
\fBTo solve these problems, we would like to suggest the following:\fR
.sp o.5v
.IP (1)
Re-allocate the LADs into the world quota. Since 
the CSPA principals have been allocated into the world-wide 
quota leftovers for fiscal year 1993, it is reasonable to 
assume that there might be similar world-wide quota 
leftovers for the next few years. Instead of wasting these 
leftover world-wide quotas while letting the LADs block 
China's regular EB-3 and EB-2 channels, re-allocating LADs 
to the world quota would solve the backlog problem, thus 
benefiting many Chinese families at the expense of no-one.
.sp 0.5v
.IP (2) 
Establish a blanket family unity program to include 
all late-arriving dependents. This program should mirror the 
benefits of Executive Order 12711 in: 
.in 0.8i
.IP (a) 
giving favorable 
considerations to the dependents in China who request non-
immigrant visas to visit their family in the U.S., so that 
their visa application will not be simply rejected due to 
the "immigration intent"; 
.IP (b) 
presuming the non-immigrant 
status of LADs for adjustment purposes, so as to eliminate 
the DED problem faced by an estimated 50% of the LAD population; 
.IP (c) 
providing liberal advance paroles; 
.IP (d) 
providing employment authorization for the dependents while 
their applications are being processed; and 
.IP (e) 
allowing children who are under twenty-one on the date of the CSPA 
principal's approval to be eligible for adjustment, even if 
they are over twenty-one at the date of application for such 
adjustment. This family unity program should solve problems 
in the case by case voluntary departure program and shorten 
family separation resulting from non-immigrant visa denial.
.in 0i
.sp
.LP
Thank you for your attention. We are most anxiously 
looking forward to hearing from you.
.LP
.sp
.in 3.6i
Sincerely yours,
.br
.sp4
(Name)
.br
(Address)
.br
(City, Zip)
.br
(Tel:)
 ==================================
==========================================
==
.ND 
.nr LL 6.0i
.nr PO 1.25i
.nr HM 1.25i
.ds CF
.ds CH
.nr PS 10
.nr VS 12
.in 4.5i
.LP
.B
September 9, 1993
.in 0i
.R
.LP
.br
White House:
.br
The Honorable William Clinton
.br
The White House
.br
Washington DC 20500
.br
FAX: (202) 456-2461
.br
.sp
.nr PS 11
.nr VS 15
\fBRE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)\fR
.sp 2 
.LP
\fBDear Mr. Clinton:\fR
.sp 0.5v
.LP
We, a group of concerned individuals who have signed 
our names and addresses below, would like to call your 
kindly attention to the following problems involved in 
subjecting Late-Arriving Dependents (LAD) of CSPA principals 
to the China quota.
.LP
.sp
(1) According to the survey made by the Headquarters of 
the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars 
(IFCSS HQ), there are approximately 10000 eligible LADs in 
the U.S., who may file their applications under EB-3 or FB-2 
during this August and September. Since the annual China 
quota in EB-3 or FB-2 is about 2500, these LADs only will 
cause a backlog in China's quota for at least four years. 
This means that no other Chinese nationals can file 
applications for adjustment of status under EB-3 or FB-2 
categories in the next four years. What is worse, according 
to the INS Cable on August 13, those undocumented Chinese 
nationals who came before April 11, 1990 and have since 
obtained an advance parole to re-enter the U.S. are now 
allowed to apply under CSPA. While this new decision 
reflects the humanitarian and protective spirit embedded in 
the Executive Order 12711, these additional applicants with 
their LADs actually face even greater difficulties, because 
most of their LADs are queued after the existing pool of 
LADs whose principals entered the United States legally. 
These people, then, will be subject to an even longer period 
of family separation. In addition, the unpredictable number 
of LADs of undocumented Chinese nationals will jam the 
normal China EB-3 and FB-2 categories for even more years. 
The traditional values of family ties, family unity and 
humanity, cherished so dearly by the American people, are 
also deeply rooted in the Chinese culture and in every 
Chinese family. The anticipated long separation due to visa 
quota allocation will surely bring agony and misery to those 
families, in contradiction to the humanitarian spirit 
embedded in the INA, Executive order 12711 and CSPA.
.LP
.sp
(2) For dependents still remaining in China, the 
situation is even more bleak. These individuals, most of 
whom are minor children, as our survey of our LADs community 
shows, would be required to wait in China until visa numbers 
are available. They could potentially be separated from 
their parents for many years. The separation will not only 
deprive these minor children of their much needed parental 
care, but also strain the precious family ties in those 
families. In addition, many of the dependents, both in the 
U.S. and in China, who are now considered children, might 
reach the age of 21 prior to visa availability. This would 
disqualify them for visa issuance.
.LP
.sp
\fBTo solve these problems, we would like to suggest the following:\fR
.sp o.5v
.IP (1)
Re-allocate the LADs into the world quota. Since 
the CSPA principals have been allocated into the world-wide 
quota leftovers for fiscal year 1993, it is reasonable to 
assume that there might be similar world-wide quota 
leftovers for the next few years. Instead of wasting these 
leftover world-wide quotas while letting the LADs block 
China's regular EB-3 and EB-2 channels, re-allocating LADs 
to the world quota would solve the backlog problem, thus 
benefiting many Chinese families at the expense of no-one.
.sp 0.5v
.IP (2) 
Establish a blanket family unity program to include 
all late-arriving dependents. This program should mirror the 
benefits of Executive Order 12711 in: 
.in 0.8i
.IP (a) 
giving favorable 
considerations to the dependents in China who request non-
immigrant visas to visit their family in the U.S., so that 
their visa application will not be simply rejected due to 
the "immigration intent"; 
.IP (b) 
presuming the non-immigrant 
status of LADs for adjustment purposes, so as to eliminate 
the DED problem faced by an estimated 50% of the LAD population; 
.IP (c) 
providing liberal advance paroles; 
.IP (d) 
providing employment authorization for the dependents while 
their applications are being processed; and 
.IP (e) 
allowing children who are under twenty-one on the date of the CSPA 
principal's approval to be eligible for adjustment, even if 
they are over twenty-one at the date of application for such 
adjustment. This family unity program should solve problems 
in the case by case voluntary departure program and shorten 
family separation resulting from non-immigrant visa denial.
.in 0i
.sp
.LP
Thank you for your attention. We are most anxiously 
looking forward to hearing from you.
.LP
.sp
.in 3.6i
Sincerely yours,
.br
.sp4
(Name)
.br
(Address)
.br
(City, Zip)
.br
(Tel:)
 ==================================
==========================================
==
.ND 
.nr LL 6.0i
.nr PO 1.25i
.nr HM 1.25i
.ds CF
.ds CH
.nr PS 10
.nr VS 12
.in 4.5i
.LP
.B
September 9, 1993
.in 0i
.R
.LP
.br
Attorney General
.br
The Honorable Madam Janet Reno
.br
U.S. Attorney General
.br
Fax: (202) 514-4371
.br
.sp
.nr PS 11
.nr VS 15
\fBRE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)\fR
.sp 2 
.LP
\fBDear Madam Reno:\fR
.sp 0.5v
.LP
We, a group of concerned individuals who have signed 
our names and addresses below, would like to call your 
kindly attention to the following problems involved in 
subjecting Late-Arriving Dependents (LAD) of CSPA principals 
to the China quota.
.LP
.sp
(1) According to the survey made by the Headquarters of 
the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars 
(IFCSS HQ), there are approximately 10000 eligible LADs in 
the U.S., who may file their applications under EB-3 or FB-2 
during this August and September. Since the annual China 
quota in EB-3 or FB-2 is about 2500, these LADs only will 
cause a backlog in China's quota for at least four years. 
This means that no other Chinese nationals can file 
applications for adjustment of status under EB-3 or FB-2 
categories in the next four years. What is worse, according 
to the INS Cable on August 13, those undocumented Chinese 
nationals who came before April 11, 1990 and have since 
obtained an advance parole to re-enter the U.S. are now 
allowed to apply under CSPA. While this new decision 
reflects the humanitarian and protective spirit embedded in 
the Executive Order 12711, these additional applicants with 
their LADs actually face even greater difficulties, because 
most of their LADs are queued after the existing pool of 
LADs whose principals entered the United States legally. 
These people, then, will be subject to an even longer period 
of family separation. In addition, the unpredictable number 
of LADs of undocumented Chinese nationals will jam the 
normal China EB-3 and FB-2 categories for even more years. 
The traditional values of family ties, family unity and 
humanity, cherished so dearly by the American people, are 
also deeply rooted in the Chinese culture and in every 
Chinese family. The anticipated long separation due to visa 
quota allocation will surely bring agony and misery to those 
families, in contradiction to the humanitarian spirit 
embedded in the INA, Executive order 12711 and CSPA.
.LP
.sp
(2) For dependents still remaining in China, the 
situation is even more bleak. These individuals, most of 
whom are minor children, as our survey of our LADs community 
shows, would be required to wait in China until visa numbers 
are available. They could potentially be separated from 
their parents for many years. The separation will not only 
deprive these minor children of their much needed parental 
care, but also strain the precious family ties in those 
families. In addition, many of the dependents, both in the 
U.S. and in China, who are now considered children, might 
reach the age of 21 prior to visa availability. This would 
disqualify them for visa issuance.
.LP
.sp
\fBTo solve these problems, we would like to suggest the following:\fR
.sp o.5v
.IP (1)
Re-allocate the LADs into the world quota. Since 
the CSPA principals have been allocated into the world-wide 
quota leftovers for fiscal year 1993, it is reasonable to 
assume that there might be similar world-wide quota 
leftovers for the next few years. Instead of wasting these 
leftover world-wide quotas while letting the LADs block 
China's regular EB-3 and EB-2 channels, re-allocating LADs 
to the world quota would solve the backlog problem, thus 
benefiting many Chinese families at the expense of no-one.
.sp 0.5v
.IP (2) 
Establish a blanket family unity program to include 
all late-arriving dependents. This program should mirror the 
benefits of Executive Order 12711 in: 
.in 0.8i
.IP (a) 
giving favorable 
considerations to the dependents in China who request non-
immigrant visas to visit their family in the U.S., so that 
their visa application will not be simply rejected due to 
the "immigration intent"; 
.IP (b) 
presuming the non-immigrant 
status of LADs for adjustment purposes, so as to eliminate 
the DED problem faced by an estimated 50% of the LAD population; 
.IP (c) 
providing liberal advance paroles; 
.IP (d) 
providing employment authorization for the dependents while 
their applications are being processed; and 
.IP (e) 
allowing children who are under twenty-one on the date of the CSPA 
principal's approval to be eligible for adjustment, even if 
they are over twenty-one at the date of application for such 
adjustment. This family unity program should solve problems 
in the case by case voluntary departure program and shorten 
family separation resulting from non-immigrant visa denial.
.in 0i
.sp
.LP
Thank you for your attention. We are most anxiously 
looking forward to hearing from you.
.LP
.sp
.in 3.6i
Sincerely yours,
.br
.sp4
(Name)
.br
(Address)
.br
(City, Zip)
.br
(Tel:)
 ==================================
==========================================
==
.ND 
.nr LL 6.0i
.nr PO 1.25i
.nr HM 1.25i
.ds CF
.ds CH
.nr PS 10
.nr VS 12
.in 4.5i
.LP
.B
September 9, 1993
.in 0i
.R
.LP
.br
Ms. Philis Coven
.br
Assistant to Attorney General
.br
Fax:(202)-514-0238
.br
.sp
.nr PS 11
.nr VS 15
\fBRE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)\fR
.sp 2 
.LP
\fBDear Ms. Coven:\fR
.sp 0.5v
.LP
We, a group of concerned individuals who have signed 
our names and addresses below, would like to call your 
kindly attention to the following problems involved in 
subjecting Late-Arriving Dependents (LAD) of CSPA principals 
to the China quota.
.LP
.sp
(1) According to the survey made by the Headquarters of 
the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars 
(IFCSS HQ), there are approximately 10000 eligible LADs in 
the U.S., who may file their applications under EB-3 or FB-2 
during this August and September. Since the annual China 
quota in EB-3 or FB-2 is about 2500, these LADs only will 
cause a backlog in China's quota for at least four years. 
This means that no other Chinese nationals can file 
applications for adjustment of status under EB-3 or FB-2 
categories in the next four years. What is worse, according 
to the INS Cable on August 13, those undocumented Chinese 
nationals who came before April 11, 1990 and have since 
obtained an advance parole to re-enter the U.S. are now 
allowed to apply under CSPA. While this new decision 
reflects the humanitarian and protective spirit embedded in 
the Executive Order 12711, these additional applicants with 
their LADs actually face even greater difficulties, because 
most of their LADs are queued after the existing pool of 
LADs whose principals entered the United States legally. 
These people, then, will be subject to an even longer period 
of family separation. In addition, the unpredictable number 
of LADs of undocumented Chinese nationals will jam the 
normal China EB-3 and FB-2 categories for even more years. 
The traditional values of family ties, family unity and 
humanity, cherished so dearly by the American people, are 
also deeply rooted in the Chinese culture and in every 
Chinese family. The anticipated long separation due to visa 
quota allocation will surely bring agony and misery to those 
families, in contradiction to the humanitarian spirit 
embedded in the INA, Executive order 12711 and CSPA.
.LP
.sp
(2) For dependents still remaining in China, the 
situation is even more bleak. These individuals, most of 
whom are minor children, as our survey of our LADs community 
shows, would be required to wait in China until visa numbers 
are available. They could potentially be separated from 
their parents for many years. The separation will not only 
deprive these minor children of their much needed parental 
care, but also strain the precious family ties in those 
families. In addition, many of the dependents, both in the 
U.S. and in China, who are now considered children, might 
reach the age of 21 prior to visa availability. This would 
disqualify them for visa issuance.
.LP
.sp
\fBTo solve these problems, we would like to suggest the following:\fR
.sp o.5v
.IP (1)
Re-allocate the LADs into the world quota. Since 
the CSPA principals have been allocated into the world-wide 
quota leftovers for fiscal year 1993, it is reasonable to 
assume that there might be similar world-wide quota 
leftovers for the next few years. Instead of wasting these 
leftover world-wide quotas while letting the LADs block 
China's regular EB-3 and EB-2 channels, re-allocating LADs 
to the world quota would solve the backlog problem, thus 
benefiting many Chinese families at the expense of no-one.
.sp 0.5v
.IP (2) 
Establish a blanket family unity program to include 
all late-arriving dependents. This program should mirror the 
benefits of Executive Order 12711 in: 
.in 0.8i
.IP (a) 
giving favorable 
considerations to the dependents in China who request non-
immigrant visas to visit their family in the U.S., so that 
their visa application will not be simply rejected due to 
the "immigration intent"; 
.IP (b) 
presuming the non-immigrant 
status of LADs for adjustment purposes, so as to eliminate 
the DED problem faced by an estimated 50% of the LAD population; 
.IP (c) 
providing liberal advance paroles; 
.IP (d) 
providing employment authorization for the dependents while 
their applications are being processed; and 
.IP (e) 
allowing children who are under twenty-one on the date of the CSPA 
principal's approval to be eligible for adjustment, even if 
they are over twenty-one at the date of application for such 
adjustment. This family unity program should solve problems 
in the case by case voluntary departure program and shorten 
family separation resulting from non-immigrant visa denial.
.in 0i
.sp
.LP
Thank you for your attention. We are most anxiously 
looking forward to hearing from you.
.LP
.sp
.in 3.6i
Sincerely yours,
.br
.sp4
(Name)
.br
(Address)
.br
(City, Zip)
.br
(Tel:)
 ==================================
==========================================
==
.ND 
.nr LL 6.0i
.nr PO 1.25i
.nr HM 1.25i
.ds CF
.ds CH
.nr PS 10
.nr VS 12
.in 4.5i
.LP
.B
September 9, 1993
.in 0i
.R
.LP
.br
Mr. Eric Schwartz
.br
Director of Refugees & Humanitarian Affairs
.br
National Security Council
.br
The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
.br
Washington D.C. 20506
.br
.sp
.nr PS 11
.nr VS 15
\fBRE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)\fR
.sp 2 
.LP
\fBDear Mr. Schwartz:\fR
.sp 0.5v
.LP
We, a group of concerned individuals who have signed 
our names and addresses below, would like to call your 
kindly attention to the following problems involved in 
subjecting Late-Arriving Dependents (LAD) of CSPA principals 
to the China quota.
.LP
.sp
(1) According to the survey made by the Headquarters of 
the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars 
(IFCSS HQ), there are approximately 10000 eligible LADs in 
the U.S., who may file their applications under EB-3 or FB-2 
during this August and September. Since the annual China 
quota in EB-3 or FB-2 is about 2500, these LADs only will 
cause a backlog in China's quota for at least four years. 
This means that no other Chinese nationals can file 
applications for adjustment of status under EB-3 or FB-2 
categories in the next four years. What is worse, according 
to the INS Cable on August 13, those undocumented Chinese 
nationals who came before April 11, 1990 and have since 
obtained an advance parole to re-enter the U.S. are now 
allowed to apply under CSPA. While this new decision 
reflects the humanitarian and protective spirit embedded in 
the Executive Order 12711, these additional applicants with 
their LADs actually face even greater difficulties, because 
most of their LADs are queued after the existing pool of 
LADs whose principals entered the United States legally. 
These people, then, will be subject to an even longer period 
of family separation. In addition, the unpredictable number 
of LADs of undocumented Chinese nationals will jam the 
normal China EB-3 and FB-2 categories for even more years. 
The traditional values of family ties, family unity and 
humanity, cherished so dearly by the American people, are 
also deeply rooted in the Chinese culture and in every 
Chinese family. The anticipated long separation due to visa 
quota allocation will surely bring agony and misery to those 
families, in contradiction to the humanitarian spirit 
embedded in the INA, Executive order 12711 and CSPA.
.LP
.sp
(2) For dependents still remaining in China, the 
situation is even more bleak. These individuals, most of 
whom are minor children, as our survey of our LADs community 
shows, would be required to wait in China until visa numbers 
are available. They could potentially be separated from 
their parents for many years. The separation will not only 
deprive these minor children of their much needed parental 
care, but also strain the precious family ties in those 
families. In addition, many of the dependents, both in the 
U.S. and in China, who are now considered children, might 
reach the age of 21 prior to visa availability. This would 
disqualify them for visa issuance.
.LP
.sp
\fBTo solve these problems, we would like to suggest the following:\fR
.sp o.5v
.IP (1)
Re-allocate the LADs into the world quota. Since 
the CSPA principals have been allocated into the world-wide 
quota leftovers for fiscal year 1993, it is reasonable to 
assume that there might be similar world-wide quota 
leftovers for the next few years. Instead of wasting these 
leftover world-wide quotas while letting the LADs block 
China's regular EB-3 and EB-2 channels, re-allocating LADs 
to the world quota would solve the backlog problem, thus 
benefiting many Chinese families at the expense of no-one.
.sp 0.5v
.IP (2) 
Establish a blanket family unity program to include 
all late-arriving dependents. This program should mirror the 
benefits of Executive Order 12711 in: 
.in 0.8i
.IP (a) 
giving favorable 
considerations to the dependents in China who request non-
immigrant visas to visit their family in the U.S., so that 
their visa application will not be simply rejected due to 
the "immigration intent"; 
.IP (b) 
presuming the non-immigrant 
status of LADs for adjustment purposes, so as to eliminate 
the DED problem faced by an estimated 50% of the LAD population; 
.IP (c) 
providing liberal advance paroles; 
.IP (d) 
providing employment authorization for the dependents while 
their applications are being processed; and 
.IP (e) 
allowing children who are under twenty-one on the date of the CSPA 
principal's approval to be eligible for adjustment, even if 
they are over twenty-one at the date of application for such 
adjustment. This family unity program should solve problems 
in the case by case voluntary departure program and shorten 
family separation resulting from non-immigrant visa denial.
.in 0i
.sp
.LP
Thank you for your attention. We are most anxiously 
looking forward to hearing from you.
.LP
.sp
.in 3.6i
Sincerely yours,
.br
.sp4
(Name)
.br
(Address)
.br
(City, Zip)
.br
(Tel:)
 ==================================
==========================================
==


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 11 08:07:25 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA02308); Sat, 11 Sep 93 08:07:25 CDT
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 93 08:07:24 CDT
Message-Id: <9309111304.AA17470@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: A-D netters please fire off your petition letters!
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Dear lads-net netters, those of you with your first names start with
A, B, C, D please send your petition letters when you see this notice.
When you finish, please drop a message to
petition@spike.rice.edu
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
to report your record, so we can count for how many netters have done so.

Thanx!

Mi Mi 

It is said 45,000 will be getting their approval notice, based on some
netters' reports from several TV shows. I am afraid there is nothing new
nor authoritive. Everybody knows INS is trying to approve as many as possible
to use up 45,000 leftovers. How can they finish is another problem. We want
to know what is the progress, not what was projected. 


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 12 13:15:27 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA05316); Sun, 12 Sep 93 13:15:27 CDT
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 93 13:15:27 CDT
Message-Id: <9309121812.AA23427@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Special Report
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Dear Netters:

1) Second Round petition wave is almost done. The cut-off date is from 8/26-8/31,
and there are 510 signatures in total.

2) A Chinese version of petition letter asking signatures from general Chinese
population is been drafted and circulating among committee members. We expect it
to be done in this week. This letter will be sent to Chinese media.

3) According to World Journal report on Saturday 9/11/93, New York Edition, the 
Chinese restaurants are experiencing unexpected labor shortages in New York 
Metropolitan area. The area, which has the highest concentration of undocumented 
Chinese nationals in the U.S., once was filled with job seekers, and the wages 
were driven down to the bones. Now, since many undocumented Chinese nationals, 
most of them are now chefs, have obtained Advance Paroles. They left for China 
in order to re-enter US to be eligible for CSPA applications. The crack on people
smuggling also causes the labor shortage of less skilled new-comers. Since many 
cashiers are Chinese students and now return to the schools, this also contributes
to the shortage.

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 12 20:42:00 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA06604); Sun, 12 Sep 93 20:42:00 CDT
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 93 20:42:00 CDT
Message-Id: <01H2VJDN6NEA9858ID@draco.rutgers.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: LAD.09-12-93
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

 % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %
 %   The following are packed messages sent by LAD-netters in the past few   %
 %   days.  Please address your correspondence to the sender.                %
 %   To sign on, send email to listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mail body as:   %
 %	sub lads-l firstname lastname                                        %
 %   To sign off, sendm email to listserv@spike.rice.edu,with mail body as:  %
 %	signoff lads-l                                                       %
 %   Please send your post, questions, answers, opinions, to                 %
 %		lads@lucerne.rice.edu .                                      %
 % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %


================================================================================
>From:	IN%"dai@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu"  "Xu Dai" 10-SEP-1993 11:39:19.30
Subj:	DED: how to fill the status

	Hi, netters,
		I post the question for my friend, who has no access to
	LAD net. If anyone  knows the answer or has suggestions, please
	send a mail to me, I appreciate.

	My friend is a CSPA principal, but he applied DED before July 1, 1993.
	So he lost his F-1 status. His wife is LAD, and is filing the I-485,
	so how does she fill her status now? Should she fill DED, or still
	fill F-2? 

	Please give some suggestions. Thanks a lot!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"zha6@midway.uchicago.edu"  "minghui zhang" 10-SEP-1993 18:56:44.93
Subj:	FYI


	The following is for your information only.

	From: rskhanna@access.digex.net (Rajiv S. Khanna)
	Newsgroups: alt.visa.us,soc.culture.indian
	Date: 10 Sep 1993 07:47:24 -0400

	******** CSPA Application Numbers ******

	The INS announced on September 8, 1993, that as of
	September 3, 1993, a total of 51,461 CSPA applications
	had been received. 42% of the applications were
	filed at the Eastern Service Center (Vermont).

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"xiaozhuo@math.msu.edu" "Yang Xiaozhuo" 10-SEP-1993 22:48:43.94

 	I would like to report the following question to see if you have a 
	similar questions.
 
  	The Detroit INS accepts the applications. As for the birth certificate,
 	it accepted our and a lot of other friend's either Chinese Citizenship
 	Cards or Birth Certificates from the Police Offices or local 
	gorvernment in China. But one day some friends went there to send the 
	applications, the INS refused to accept the some documents that they 
	accepted before. Then only accepted the notarized  birth certificates
  	by Chinese notarization officers. 

 	The question is 
	1. If only notarized birth certificates are acceptable.
 	2. Since INS accepted so many non-notarized birth certificates, are 
	   we required to give them the NOTARIZED ONE at the time of interviews.
	3. If it is possible to send messages to INS HQ to solve this problem.

 	As far as I know there are many people with notarized birth 
	certificates. However there are still many people who have no accesses
 	to get their birth certifcates notarized. This fact may give INS the 
	wrong impression that it is possible to get notarized B.C.

 	One thing is very strange the INS do not accept the real birth 
	certificates from the hospitals.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"ph274rr@prism.gatech.edu" 12-SEP-1993 15:15:36.04

	If the principle's spouse just arrived from China. Can the spouse apply
	for PR as Late Coming Dependant?

================================================================================



From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 13 08:28:33 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA08794); Mon, 13 Sep 93 08:28:33 CDT
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 08:28:33 CDT
Message-Id: <01H2W7XJHZB6985HFB@draco.rutgers.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: PR approval message
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 



============================================================================
>From:	IN%"BH1107@tntech.edu" 12-SEP-1993 23:52:09.10
Subj:	approval message


	Hi, netter:

	We called southern center to ask the information for my husbend's PR 
	application this afternoon (the phone number is on the bottom of the
	receipt sheet). The automatic system told us that my husbend's 
	application has been approved and an approval notice has mailed to him 
	at Sept.10,1993.

	We think that there are many applications have been approved and many 
	approval notices have sent out last week. Since we have not heard any 
	approval notices was received by a adult. We post our experience for 
	your reference. You can make a call to ask the status of your case by 
	the phone number which is at the bottom of your receipt. The automatic
 	system will tell you about your case.

	Good luck!!!

================================================================================

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 13 09:29:12 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA09017); Mon, 13 Sep 93 09:29:12 CDT
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 09:29:12 CDT
Message-Id: <9309131426.AA25956@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Q&A from Mi Mi, a lads-net committee member
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


September 13, 1993

Q&A

Q1) May my lads apply for EB-3 PR in October? 
A1) You may not be able to do so. The priority date for October has been 
retrogressed to July 1. Since CSPA principal's priority date is July 1 at the 
earliest, your lads may not be able to do apply for EB-3 PR in October if your
priority date is later than July 1. 

Q2) If my priority date is after July 1, may my lads apply for EB-3 PR in 
November?
A2) It depends on the visa availability in November. The priority date may
even retrogress further back in November, say, June 1. So if your lads have
not applied, please do so ASAP in this month. Otherwise you may have to wait
for a quite long while to do so until the window is open again for your 
specific priority date.

Q3) It that true the longest waiting period for my lads to get a green card is 
five years since I will get my citizenship in five years and then my lads are 
not subject to China's quota's?
A3) It depends. Once you have had your green cards for five years, you may be 
able to apply for citizenship. However, citizenship is not automatic. Besides 
all the other requirements, you have to pass a test, just as you have to pass 
written and road tests before getting your driver's license. The subjects are 
U.S. history, U.S. constitution, etc. Of course all of these are in English, 
both oral and written. Some people are exempted from this test, e.g., senior 
citizen over 65(?), minor children under 14(?), but most adults have to. While 
Mi Mi does not believe it is harder than TOEFL, GMAT and GRE, as most of CSS 
principals have passed those exams, however, this test consists of a real 
challenge to those principals who are less educated. Mi Mi knows many of the
undocumented Chinese nationals (some of them were even Mi Mi's roommates) do not 
have any knowledge of English. For example, one of them asked Mi Mi, what is the
meaning of "THE", believe me, Mi Mi found this problem was very difficult to 
answer! This guy was a high school graduate, and at least reads 26 letters. The 
rest of undocumented Chinese nationals may not be so capable of reading alphabets!
Mi Mi knows quite a lot undocumented Chinese nationals who do not read Chinese, 
nor speak Mandarin. The only language they speak is Fuzhouness. How could those 
people get their citizenship in five years is a big, big question mark. It is 
very common that many Chinese Americans can only obtain their citizenship 
through seniority (e.g., wait until they are 65). If, you, our dear netters, are
lads yourselves, and your principals are not good at English, please be prepared
to wait more than five years to get your green card. Good Luck!

Mi Mi takes no responsibilities of the accuracy involved in this article. All
the above information is to the best of his knowledge.

Mi Mi
 


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 14 00:57:21 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA12046); Tue, 14 Sep 93 00:57:21 CDT
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 00:57:21 CDT
Message-Id: <9309140554.AA28339@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Dear Lads-net netters:

After firing our first and second around petition letters, we have receive
many e-mails from our netters. We would like to clarify some points here.

All of our netters signatures are collected for the original purpose ONLY,
e.g., to be attached to the letter we have been circulating on our net, which
is addressed to Madam Boie, other U.S. officials and President Clinton, as
we sent to you over the net. We may include the Congressional leaders as well.
In no way your signatures will be abused, e.g., published in media, sent to
Chinese agencies, etc. Your signatures are to be used for lads petition ONLY,
and are attached only to the letters to the relevant U.S. officials, 
including INS, White House and Congress, that is all. This is guarantteed.

In order to keep the pressure on, we adopted continuous petition wave 
strategy. That is, sending petition letters in waves, each one with a group
of new signatures, until we get the attention we need. So please support us
with new signatures!

In order to get more people involved, we are going to call signatures from
local Chinese community. We need local coordinators to collect signatures,
contact local Chinese newspapers, and send the signatures via e-mail to us.
This new movement is to reinforce our original petition drive. Again, all 
the signatures collected from local Chinese community are condifential, and 
for the purpose stated above ONLY. Our committee is circulating a Chinese 
version of report on our petition letters. Once we finish, we will send it to
you and media. Please help our committee to pass around the message, to collect
signatures and send them back to us. 

Please send your own version of petition letters to the addresses provided
by the committee. You may mention that you support lads-net committee. You
shall sign you own signature along with that of all your co-signers'. Send
these letters in fax, mail, or what ever is convinient to you. We committee
members are taking turns to send letters with 500+ signatures attached each
to these address in order to get more attention. 

Collecting signatures and sending petition letters are our major tasks at
present time. We do not have the power, money, political influence, legal
support and alliance we should have. According to variouse sourses, we are
now fighting by ourselves. Many our should be, would be and could be friends
are now onlookers. If we do not help ourselves, no one will.

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee

 





From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 14 18:09:14 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA14152); Tue, 14 Sep 93 18:09:14 CDT
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 18:09:14 CDT
Message-Id: <01H2Y6KNDVXE985L1M@draco.rutgers.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Latest News on CSPA
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

------------------- original message -------------------------------

**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarters News Release No.  5054        Sept 14, 1993
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu


		=============================
		=  Progress Report on CSPA  =
	        =============================



     This morning (Tuesday), IFCSS VP Shi Heping contacted INS HQ
and obtained the following information.

     1. Up to last Friday, INS had received a total of 51,821
applications. At present, only two or three applications come in a
day.

     2. Up to last Friday, 6,678 applications have been approved.
Eastern and Southern Centers started sending out notices of
approval on September 7 while Western and Northern Centers will be
sending out notices either late this week or early next week.

     3. Those who have received letters for another copy of finger
print should comply with the request, but it will not affect the
priority date.

     4. At the request of IFCSS, INS HQ has informed the service
centers not to request further evidence of financial ability from
those students who have TA or RA. However, those who have already
received such requests should respond to them.

     ***                      ***                      ***
     If you would like to make a donation to IFCSS or IFCSS June
4th Foundation, please use these titles and send your checks to 
     733 15th St., N.W.
     Suite 440
     Washington, DC 20005


*********************************************************************
*                 IFCSS Headquarters Office                         *
*-------------------------------------------------------------------*
* President:      Lin Changsheng        Vice President:  Shi Heping * 
*-------------------------------------------------------------------*
*********************************************************************

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep 15 21:25:43 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA18257); Wed, 15 Sep 93 21:25:43 CDT
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 21:25:43 CDT
Message-Id: <9309160225.AA11493@lucerne.rice.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: snow@lucerne.rice.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Jun Wu <snow@lucerne.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Approval Notice from Southern Center
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


        The Southern Center auto-answer-machine told me that my case
had been approved and notice had been mailed to me yesterday (14th).
        Two other Chinese students in EE department here were also approved
on the same day. 3 of us mailed our application packages on the same day,
June 29, received our I-797 receipt from Southern Center on the same day,
July 12.
        So it looks to me the Southern Center is still doing things in
bunches, and I believe most people will receive their approval notices
by the end of the month.
        Good luck to everyone.


Jun

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep 16 02:03:05 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA18901); Thu, 16 Sep 93 02:03:05 CDT
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 02:03:05 CDT
Message-Id: <9309160702.AA11694@lucerne.rice.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: snow@lucerne.rice.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Jun Wu <snow@lucerne.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re: about INS southern center
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

> I also received a letter from INS southern center today, but unfortunately,
> it requests me to send in two photos. I sent in two photos in my application
> on July 29. But the letter said my photos were either not received, 
> or mutilated, or lost. I know  several other students here in UT Austin, who 
> sent two photos in their original package, also received similar letters 
> in the past 30 days. 
> 
> Did you sent 2 photos or 4 in your application? I think either the southern INS
> needs 4 photos, or they somehow  managed to lose photos for a bounch of people.
> I sent in two photos today, but I think the chance that INS would reopen my
> case by the end of Sept. is slim. After Sept. this year, do we need to wait
> till Sept. next year to get another wave of approvals, or the INS would
> continue to process approvals throughout the year? I don't know if this
> would affect my priority date, which is important to me since I have lads.
> 
> If you know the answers, please give me a reply. Otherwise, just accept
> my sincere congratulation.
> 


Many people had similar situations, including me! I received a letter from
Southern Center on August 25, asking for two photos. I mailed two to them
on August 26. I have included 2 photos in my application. However, I don't
think that they need 4 photos. Two of my friends also sent 2 photos with
their application,they got approved without any trouble. 

The possible reason, I think, could be the specification of the photos.
Southern Center has a slightly different spec from INS HQ's spec. The notice
told me that the head had to be contained in oval area in their spec
paper. My orignal photo had a slightly wider head (though height was the same).
INS HQ's spec only told the size of photo, height of the head, background,
but nothing about width of the head.

So I took to new photos to strictly comply with Southern Center's standard.
I would suggest anyone who received simliar letter from Southern Center
do the same thing.

Also, I think you all know, you need to include the letter they sent you,
and the pink/blue sheet togother with your photo.

This won't affect your priority date, theoritically.


Jun

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep 16 23:05:58 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA21745); Thu, 16 Sep 93 23:05:58 CDT
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 23:05:58 CDT
Message-Id: <01H319KN1JEA985PKM@draco.rutgers.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: LAD.09-16-93
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

 % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %
 %									     %
 %   The following are packed messages sent by LAD-netters in the past few   %
 %   days.  Please address your correspondence to the sender.                %
 %   Please send your post, questions, answers, opinions, to                 %
 %		lads@lucerne.rice.edu .                                      %
 %   The packages posted to LADnet are available via anonymous ftp from the  %
 %   site spike.rice.edu under the directory  /lads.                         %
 %									     %
 % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %


================================================================================
>From:	IN%"jz690469@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu" 13-SEP-1993 15:16:32.40
Subj:	approval message?

	I read the email from the lads-net today and found somebody got the 
	approval message from INS(Southern) automatica telephone system.  In 
	fact, I also tried a couple of days ago and the system could not 
	locate my file.  My I-797 has a priority date of July 7, 1993, and I 
	wonder anybody in the net has the same experience or know what I shall
 	do next.  Thanks.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>From:	IN%"PATH018@unlvm.unl.edu"  "D.Sui" 15-SEP-1993 11:49:19.23
Subject:      How Slow the Nothern INS Center !

	Hi!
	After reading the IFCSS News Release No.5054 that CSPA applicants under
	Nothern Center will get their approval notice within a week or two, I 
	called the Nothern Center in Lincoln this morning (Sept.15,93) and the
 	following is what I got from a INS officer:

	1. Nothern Center has not approved any of the CSPA application yet.they
	   (US State Dept.?) have not even given us the Visa number yet.
	2. All applicants will get their notice within 2 weeks to 2 months.

	I expressed 2 of my concerns:

	1. The World-wide leftover visa # is going to dispear after Sept.30,93
 	   for this year and it will be wasted if we can't get it before this 
	   date.
	2. As fact,the Eastern and Southern Centers have already started sending
	   approval notices since Sept.7,93. They have been sending notices for
 	   over a week by now.

	If any one got the notice from Nothern Center in a few days, please 
	communicateon the net,we have LADS to concern about,too.

	D.Sui

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	 "Zhu, Weimen" <U367D@WVNVM.BITNET> 16-SEP-1993 04:30:22.38
Subj:	?about automatic answer at INS 

	I called Eastern Center a couple times and got message like this: "Your
 	application for permanent resident was received on July the 23, 1993. 
	It will be processed in a period of time." I acturally mailed the 
	application before July 1. Does the answer implies my application was 
	somehow delayed during the mailing or it is just the date when they 
	opened my file? Anyone have same message?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>From:	IN%"U09731@UICVM.BITNET" 16-SEP-1993 21:54:55.45
Subj:	LAD Over 21

	I am a CSPA principal and filed my I-485 on 7/1/93. My question is that
	my daughter is a F-1 student at college and just over 21 years old
	(June, 1993), what should I do now?  Can she files I-485 under E-3 now?
	If not, how can she apply PR?

	Thanks for any suggestion. If anyone has similar situation, please
	contact me. Thanks a lot!

	My e-mail: U09731@uicvm.uic.edu

================================================================================

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 19 13:21:32 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA28159); Sun, 19 Sep 93 13:21:32 CDT
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 93 13:21:31 CDT
Message-Id: <01H34W2SIC8Y985S3P@draco.rutgers.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: LAD.09-19-93
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

 % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %
 %									     %
 %   The following are packed messages sent by LAD-netters in the past few   %
 %   days.  Please address your correspondence to the sender.                %
 %   Please send your post, questions, answers, opinions, to                 %
 %		lads@lucerne.rice.edu .                                      %
 %   The packages posted to LADnet are available via anonymous ftp from the  %
 %   site spike.rice.edu under the directory  /lads.                         %
 %									     %
 % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %


================================================================================
>From: OPTO2E@jetson.uh.edu
Subject:      Just relax about the PR if you are requested for more evidence
Comments: To: ccnl@utarlvm1.bitnet
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNL <CCNL@utarlvm1.uta.edu>

	Hi, dudes, I just called the INS southern center and got the approval 
	msg. Just about three days ago, the automated machine told me that the 
	notice of requiring additional evedence was mailed out on Aug. 18, 93. 
	Until now, I hasn't received any letter from INS. Surprisingly, the 
	aproval go well ahead than what I can imagine. I still don't know what
 	additional evidence is needed. Maybe it is the Finger Print Charts. 
	So, just relax, I think most of us will get the PRs by the end of the 
	month even you still need to submit more.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"jw@seas.smu.edu" 17-SEP-1993 11:30:33.15
Subj:	unlocated files

	Hi, netters:

	A netter said he was told by INS' auto phone system that his file was
	"unlocated". I had same problem a few days ago. Then I call INS Southern
	Center, I was told it did not necessarily mean the file was lost. A lady
	checked her computer and said my application was still in normal 
	process. Yesterday, I learnt from the auto phone system that my 
	application has been approved. Some of my friends had the some 
	experience. It looks like it happens quite often. So don't worry, if 
	you have the same problem, you may call INS operators by following the
 	instruction given by the auto phone system. But you may wait hours to 
	have your phone answered. So it's better try it at 8:00 am and be 
	patient. Anyway, I think soon or later, everybody's application will 
	be approved.

	Good luck.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"fangl@prism.nmt.edu" 17-SEP-1993 12:37:56.51
Subj:	May my daughter apply her PR in October?

	I received my PR application (unded CSPA) approval notice today from
	INS South Center. The notice shows my priority date is July 1, 1993.
	Since the cutoff date for applying PR under the Employment-Based 3rd
	prefenrence will be July 1, 1993 for the coming October, does it mean
	that my daughter, a LAD, has the chance to apply her PR until the end
	of October?

	Thanks.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sender: Xu Dai <dai@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu> 19-SEP-1993
Subject: PR approved

	Hi, Netters,
	My application for PR is approved, my case is CSPA principal. I sent 
	the forms to Southern Service Center on June 30, and the receipt date 
	was July 7, 1993, it is approved on Sep 15, 1993. And some of people 
	here also got approved. This is just FYI.

	Good luck

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sender: laic@acfcluster.nyu.edu     19-SEP-1993
Subject: Working permit for lads approved

	Yestoday (9/15) I went NYC INS with my wife who is a lad.  She got her
 	one year working permit without any problem. She started the 
	application three week ago.  What she submmitted was the receipt for 
	form I-485 file and an application form for the working permit.  She 
	got an appointment for sep.15 immeadiately and got the working permit 
	later, as I said before, WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM.  I noticed the reason 
	of granting the working permit is coding for (9) which stand for the 
	person has "applied for adjust status for PR and the application is 
	pending".  The other thing is her A# on the working permit has been 
	changed (she got the permit though J-2 before I file my I-485).

	I also know at least 4-5 lads got their Working permit after they filed
	their  form I-485 at NYC. So our lads should go to local INS to file the
	form I-485 and get their working permit ASAP!

	Goog luck every body!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sender: "Wen B. Zeng" <zengsfch@brownie.cs.unlv.edu> 19-SEP-1993
Subject: attention

  	Only two weeks are left for all principals to get their approved 
	notices. But up to now only about 7000 out of 50000 were approved. 
	Northen and Western IN center do not send any approved notice out 
	yet. These two weeks are the golden period. I wish this lad-comittee 
	can do something to contact IFCSS HQ and US IN HQ to speed up the 
	approve process, or the achivement we've got will be disappeared
	in these two weeks.
  
	Wish this letter be published.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"BH1107@tntech.edu" 19-SEP-1993 12:23:16.34
Subj:	Approval Notice

      (A MESSAGE ABOUT THE INFORMATION EXCHANGE OF CSPA APPLICATION)
                             From BH1107@TNTECH

	Hi, there:

    	After calling INS Southern Service Center last sunday learing that my 
	husband's application for I-485 has been approved on Sept.10. A written 
	notice was received yesterday from INS SSC. The full text are as 
	follows for your convenience:

	THE ABOUT APPLICATION HAS BEEN APPROVED. THE APPLICANT SHOULD GO TO 
	THE LOCAL INS OFFICE LISTED BELOW FOR FINAL PROCESSING BEFORE OUR 
	FACTORY CAN MAKE THE NEW ALIEN REGISTRATION CARD.

	TO COMPLETE FINAL PROCESSING, THE APPLICANT SHOULD GO TO

        	SUITE 250
        	245 WAGNER PLACE
        	MEMPHIS, TN 38103--385

	NO SOONER THAN 14 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THIS NOTICE AND NO LATER THAN
 	45 DAYS OF THIS NOTICE. HE OR SHE MUST BRING THIS LETTER AND EVIDENCE 
	OF IDENTITY.

	IF THE APPLICANT DOES NOT APPEAR FOR FINAL PROCESSING,OUR FACTORY CAN
	NOT PRODUCE THE NEW ALIEN REGISTRATION CARD.
=============================================================================== 

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 19 22:30:51 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA29038); Sun, 19 Sep 93 22:30:51 CDT
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 93 22:30:51 CDT
Message-Id: <9309200328.AA25041@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Mi Mi fired second round of petition letters
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


 
 
Mi Mi fired the second round of petition letters last weekend. 
Last week Mi Mi got an additional address for Senate Subcommittee, 
thanks to our friends from IFCSS HQ and the Chairman of one of its 
subcommittees.
 
This time Mi Mi sent out seven. One is the first round which
is sent to the new addressee, the Senate Subcommitte. Six are 
the second round, which contains the 510 signatures we had collected 
from August 26 to August 31 (first round contained 524 
signatures collected from August 23 to August 25). The third 
round letters will be sent to the same addressees, when the 
compilation is completed for next 500 or so. Up to now, each of 
the six addressees have received two sets of signatures, 
totaling 1034. 
 
Also Mi Mi has sent faxes to local (NYC) and national Chinese 
media, with our petition letter and situation briefing 
(without the signatures we collected from net, of course), hoping 
to collect more signatures from general public. While most of us
are expecting approval notice from INS regional centers, please
do not forget our troubled lads!
 
Here we Lads-Net Committee sincerely express our thanks to all
the signers involed, those EC with and without lads, new comer
students, and numerous others. Without your support, we can not
achieve anything.
 
With our petition letters sent to all the concerned U.S. 
officials, we hope we will get their responses very soon. 
Please keep alert to our news release. When Mi Mi sent 
comments on interim rule to White House, he got response in 
less than 10 days. Since this time, we got more than 1000 
signatures, we should get some concrete results. Please keep 
helping lads-net and help CSS in general!
 
United, we will make a difference!
 
 
Mi Mi
 
Lads-net Committee
 
 
   
 
   
The new addressee is:
 
 
Gerry Tinker
Director of Staffs
Senate Sub-Committee on Immigration and Refugees
Dirkson Senate Office Building
Washington D. C. 20510
202-224-5182 (Fax)
 
Please include this address in your individual petition letters as well.
 
This week, those of you with first names start with E, F, G, H please send
your letters to the U. S. officials. For your convenience, we have include them
again:
 
 
Madam Rita A.Boie
Senior Immigration Examier
Adjudication Branch
Immigration & Naturalization Services
425 I Street NW, room 5307
Washington, DC 20536
FAX: (202)514-0198
 
White House:
The Honorable William Clinton
The White House
1600 Pennsyvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington DC 20500
FAX: (202) 456-2461
 
Mr. Eric Schwartz
Director of Refugees & Humanitarian Affairs
National Security Council
The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington D.C. 20506
 
Gerry Tinker
Director of Staffs
Senate Sub-Committee on Immigration and Refugees
Dirkson Senate Office Building
Washington D. C. 20510
202-224-5182 (Fax)
 
Attorney General
The Honorable Madam Janet Reno
U.S. Attorney General
Fax: (202) 514-4371
 
Ms. Philis Coven
Assistant to Attorney General
Fax:(202)-514-0238                   
 
                                                                                         
When you send in your individual pretition letters, please report to 
petition@spike.rice.edu



From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 20 09:26:36 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA00596); Mon, 20 Sep 93 09:26:36 CDT
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 09:26:36 CDT
Message-Id: <9309201424.AA12657@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: cheng@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: cheng@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re: Mi Mi fired second round of petition letters
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

The following is survey sample on lad issues. Please contribute your ideas.

Frank.

1) What is the function of lads-net?
  	a) There is no need of lads-net at all.
	b) It should only be an information sharing service.
	c) It should make effort to push forward lad issues.

2) Do you think DED problem should be solved?
	a) No.
	b) Not concerned.
	c) Yes.
	d) Yes, but it should be solved after most of CSPA principals
		has been approved.
	e) Yes, but undocumented DED should be excluded.

3) What do you think we should do next?
	a) Nothing. No chance at all for us to achive our goal.
	b) push Dr. Zhao Haiqing to make effort.
	c) Focus on the petiton letter. Wait to see what happen.
	d) We should do more ourselves, i.e lobby.

4) If you think we should do more, you would contribute
	a) little manpower or donation.
	b) donation.
	c) manpower
	d) manpower and donation.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 20 10:16:39 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA00768); Mon, 20 Sep 93 10:16:39 CDT
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 10:16:39 CDT
Message-Id: <9309201514.AA15202@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: cheng@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: cheng@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: survey is not final
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi everybody,

The survey sample is not final, Please contribute some idea to the survey
ITSELF. Don't answer the survey right now.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 21 09:23:14 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03591); Tue, 21 Sep 93 09:23:14 CDT
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 93 09:23:14 CDT
Message-Id: <01H37GCA3KEA985Q2L@draco.rutgers.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: SGU@draco.rutgers.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: LAD.09-20-93
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

 % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %
 %   The following are packed messages sent by LAD-netters in the past few   %
 %   days.  Please address your correspondence to the sender.                %
 %   To sign on, send email to listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mail body as:   %
 %		sub lads-l firstname lastname                                %
 %   To sign off, sendm email to listserv@spike.rice.edu,with mail body as:  %
 %		signoff lads-l                                               %
 %   Please send your post, questions, answers, opinions, to                 %
 %		lads@lucerne.rice.edu .                                      %
 %   The packages posted to LADnet are available via anonymous ftp from the  %
 %   site spike.rice.edu under the directory  /lads.                         %
 % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %


================================================================================
>From:	IN%"zhang@utdallas.edu"  "Jie Zhang" 19-SEP-1993 17:09:48.00
Subj:	2 weeks

	I submitted my I-485 mid July.  If my applic. for PR does not 
	materializes before 10/1/93, and my LAD has a scheduled interview 
	with local INS in November, what will happen ?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"ychen4@eos.ncsu.edu" 20-SEP-1993 16:16:09.66

	I would like to know that when the CSPA principle can start filing I-130
	(Family-based) for his (her) LADs. Do they need to wait to get their 
	Alien Registratin Card ? Or the approval notice is the enough evidence?
	For the family-based catogory the cut-off date is April 1, 1991, what
	does it mean?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"syuan@sdmag1.ucsd.edu" 20-SEP-1993 19:35:56.04
Subj:	LAD-SD

	Dear Netters,

	I enclose the following message to solicit your suggestions and
	comments. I wonder if any of you had similar experiences.

	I filed my PR application as a CSPA principal back in July,
	and mailed in application for my wife as an LAD during the first
	week of August to the San Diego INS, since it only accepts PR
	applications by mail. I have so far neither received any response
	from them nor cleared the check for the application fee. We went 
	down to the office several weeks ago, and were told there were a
	backlog in PR application processing for about two months, hence
	no CSPA-related applications would be handled in any immediate
	future. I start to wonder if this would jeoperdize similar LAD
	applications due to the August-September window restriction ...

	Look forward to hearing from you people.

	Good luck everyone.

	-Sam

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"cyan@slate.mines.colorado.edu" 21-SEP-1993 00:55:22.50
Subj:	CSPA approval at Northern Center -- one single case

	Hi, netters:

	Regarding the CSPA approval at INS Northern Center, I have a single
	case to report here. One and only one of my friends received the 
	approval notice from INS northern center this afteroon, his approval 
	date was Sept. 16, and the priority date is July 1st. There is no 
	requirement to go local INS office for final ID confirmation, and he 
	was told in the notice that the card should be mailed to him within 
	six months otherwise he should contact the  INS. I think he sent out 
	the application on June 29, same day that I filed my I-485 package. 
	It seems the Northern Center finally back to work on CSPA now,
	hopefully they can get the job done before Sept. 30. 

	Good luck everybody !
================================================================================

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 21 22:04:02 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA05237); Tue, 21 Sep 93 22:04:02 CDT
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 93 22:04:02 CDT
Message-Id: <9309220301.AA02362@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: fyi
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Subject:FYI

As September 30 nears, we CSPAers are getting more and more nervous. As
the majority of the 50,000's approval notice are nowhere and even many
have difficulties locating their files with INS' answering machine, it
seems to us that the 45,000 visa leftover is getting nowhere near being 
fully used up. That even put further question on the lads-quota issue: 
if the majority of CSPA principals can not get their approval this year, 
then the anticipated 25,000 leftover visa next year will not be enough 
for this year's leftover CSPA principals, not mention the lads even we 
sucessfully put them into the world pool.

Our emergent task, if it is all possible now, is to persuade INS to consider
the alternative plan: if the 45,000 visa can not be assigned to their owners
before September 30, due to the technical problems, just DO NOT let the 
unused visa numbers disappear. In that sense, then everybody just have to 
wait for months instead of years. Hope IFCSS HQ could do something before
it is too late. Otherwise, it will cause panic within CSPA community.

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee

--------------forwarded messages----------------------------------------

Date:         Tue, 21 Sep 1993 21:31:39 EDT
Reply-To: Yisheng Zheng <yzheng@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Sender: Newsletter on Chinese Community <CCNL@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU>
>From: Yisheng Zheng <yzheng@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Reply from Northern Center
Comments: To: ccnl@utarlvm1.uta.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNL <CCNL@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU>

Dear Netters,

If you waiting for notice from Northern Center, here is something
interesting to you.

A friend of mine call the Northern Center to check her status but
got the "status not available with this answering system" message.
Then she was connected with an INS officer.  She asked the INS
officer what happened to her case.  The INS officer is very
nice and said that if you couldn't get an answer from the
answering system, you need to wait for written notice.

My friend then asked the officer whether it is possible to know
how many CSPA applications get approved.  The INS officer said
she did not know.  But she said that with the limited resources
available, things will have to go very slowly.  She said that she
would not be surprised if many cases can not get approved before
Sept. 30, 1993.

Just for your information. (end)

 


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep 23 21:12:23 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA10800); Thu, 23 Sep 93 21:12:23 CDT
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 21:12:23 CDT
Message-Id: <9309240209.AA12519@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: IOC's decision
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Although I am not supportive to the bid, but as a Chinese, everybody wishes
to host Olympic some day in China. 

The failure, I guess, had several reasons. I would name a few.

1. The head should not be Chen Xitiong. If it is Zhu Rongji, then it might be 
different. Since the human right issue is the main excuse, then why let Chen
to head the team? It only reinforce the 6.4. memory. Why not Shanghai? 
Guangzhou? Those two cities could be host also!

2. Since China was the favorite, so maybe several votes would make a difference.
The last minute lobby would be very important. I do not know how they did it

Well, 2000 is not the real 21th century. It is the last year of 20th century.
2004 is the first Olympic in 21st century, it is an open chapter, instead of
2000 as a close chapter of 20th century, if the meaning of 2000 does make
some difference in the bidding. Well, Olympic spirits does not starts or ends
at some particular year. It lives forever. So Olympic is meaningful, not only
the 2000. 

Just two cents of my comments. For those who supported the bid, I would say,
try again next time, good luck. For those who did not support the bid like me,
let us wish the day comes soon when we Chinese are readyto host the global
event.

Mi Mi


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Sep 24 00:48:00 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA11525); Fri, 24 Sep 93 00:48:00 CDT
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 00:48:00 CDT
Message-Id: <9309240547.AA28163@lucerne.rice.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: cspa@lucerne.rice.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: CSPA <cspa@lucerne.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: LADnet freed
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi, netters,
	LADnet is freed now. Posting to lads@lucerne.rice.edu will be
distributed without editing.
	Please be advised, no signon and signoff messages.


Jun

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Sep 24 03:21:50 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA12013); Fri, 24 Sep 93 03:21:50 CDT
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 03:21:50 CDT
Message-Id: <9309240819.AA15261@kyu-cc.cc.kyushu-u.ac.jp>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: g78050b@kyu-cc.cc.kyushu-u.ac.jp
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: g78050b <g78050b@kyu-cc.cc.kyushu-u.ac.jp>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Dependants in forein countries
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hellow, netters:
        Any discussions would be welcome on CSPA benificiaries'
dependants in forein countries, especially in Japan, about what 
the dependants should do while waiting patiently for the notice
from embassies or consulates.

Yan Rei

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Sep 24 09:18:50 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA12867); Fri, 24 Sep 93 09:18:50 CDT
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 09:18:50 CDT
Message-Id: <9309241418.AA28500@lucerne.rice.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: zengsfch@reed.cs.unlv.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: "Wen B. Zeng" <zengsfch@reed.cs.unlv.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: exchange
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Does anyone know how many principal get approved up to today and anyone
get approve notice from Western Center Service? Thank you!

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Sep 24 09:36:30 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA12924); Fri, 24 Sep 93 09:36:30 CDT
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 09:36:30 CDT
Message-Id: <930924103402.2e5d@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: ZHAO@aesop.rutgers.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: ZHAO@aesop.rutgers.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Could please sign me off your mailing list.  Thanks.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Sep 24 10:41:43 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA13063); Fri, 24 Sep 93 10:41:43 CDT
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 10:41:43 CDT
Message-Id: <Pine.3.07.9309241100.C4583-b100000@mbisgi.umd.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: xiao@mbisgi.umd.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Jinsong Xiao <xiao@mbisgi.umd.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re: CND-Global, September 24, 1993 (fwd)
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 





---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 10:43:57 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Jinsong Xiao <xiao@mbisgi.umd.edu>
To: cnd-editor@cnd.org
Cc: Multiple recipients of list CHINA-NN <CHINA-NN@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU>
Subject: Re: CND-Global, September 24, 1993

I am very disappointed in China's loss to Australia in bidding for hosting
2000 Olympic game.  But I was insulted and angered when I read an article
titled " China's Loss a Matter of Rights and Wrongs" on Sept 24,1993 in
the sports section of The Washington's Post.  The writer is Thomas
Boswell, I don't know how he managed to keep his job since his opinions
are always prejudiced and narrow-minded.  In this particular article, he
seemed to be dazzled by China's loss, and seemed  happier than he had been
promoted. He explained the reason that made China lose was not human
rights, not enviromental problems,  BUT THE BLOOD DOPING AND STEROID
ABUSES BY CHINESE ATHLETES!!! What a great discovery.  I can not help
wondering he might have solid evidence which he digged out of the Great
Wall or some other places in China when nobody notice him.  I read on and
found nothing other guesses. Yesterday, I happen to read an article on
Sports Illustrated, in which a Germany (not East Germany!  Mr. Boso! oops.
 Mr. Boswell.) coach, who helped to train Chinese athletes, said that the
great progress  that the Chinese athletes achieved are solid and
unquestionable.  In the same article, an U.S.A. track and field coach
offered the same opinion.  Also, don't forget IOC officials did drug test
on Chinese athletes not only after matches but they also did it regularly
in the off-season.  So, I found Mr. Boso... unconvincing.  I think some
westerners or whites are uncomfortable to see the colors run faster, jump
higher or play better than the "superior whites".  I personally think Mr.
Boso... owe China an apology.   



From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Sep 24 11:42:14 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA13160); Fri, 24 Sep 93 11:42:14 CDT
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 11:42:14 CDT
Message-Id: <9309241642.AA28817@lucerne.rice.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: ZWANG@ucs.indiana.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: ZWANG@ucs.indiana.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: lads
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

I like to receive information about LADS, Please add my address "ZWANG@IUBACS" 
to the net, THanks. Z. Wang

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Sep 24 12:56:22 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA13377); Fri, 24 Sep 93 12:56:22 CDT
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 12:56:22 CDT
Message-Id: <9309241753.AA14912@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Special Report on CSPA and LADs issue
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Mi Mi just called IFCSS HQ and spoke to Shi Heping Himself. 

Q:This there any information from INS HQ on the progress of CSPA 
  processing? Since the September 30 is not far away, how many have been 
  approved? 
A:The IFCSS HQ has been trying to contact INS HQ for information. The person 
  who is in charge of this is out of town, and will be back on Monday. IFCSS
  HQ has left messages for him, and surely he will get it.
  INS has been doing its best to approve as fast as it possibly can. The main 
  bottleneck is the security check. Once the file comes back from FBI, it is 
  relatively easier for INS officers to approve, since most cases are very 
  simple and straight forward. INS is doing this very fast now. 
Q:If the 46,000 of 1993 can not be fully used for CSPA, what is the 
  possible effect on the whole CSPA community? 
A:Not so much effect on us. If the visas are wasted because of INS can not 
  catch up on September 30, then the leftover CSPAers, which are relatively
  fewer than those who got approved, can start to use the next years quota
  starting from October 1, 1993. Nobody has to wait unitl next July. For most
  of the leftover CSPAers, just wait for one or two months longer, that is all.
Q:It was said that the leftover quota for the next year is only 25,000. If, the
  majority of CSPAers can not get their approval in time, then the anticipated 
  leftover quota might not be enough for these leftover CSPAers, and in that
  case, some one might have to wait for more years, is that true?
A:The 25,000 leftover projection is not true. It was fabricated.
Q:What is the impact of CSPA delayed approval will be on LADS?
A:Not so much important. Only several month longer.
Q:What is the current situation for all the lads, lc related issues?
A:It must be made clear that we Chinese are a minority. We do not have much 
  influence in the US politics. There are many other ethnic groups, many 
  other interests groups. If US government wants to do us a favor, nobody
  can stop it(Mi Mi: we talked about certain interest groups who might want
  to hurt us. Mi Mi does not assume Shi means everyone). The particular 
  situation IFCSS has taken advantage of, is the 6.4. event. Because of that,
  IFCSS got supporters in the Congress, free legal service fron Arent & Fox,
  and so on. Over the years, it seemed to many CSS that the service should be
  free, but it is not true. To lobby means a lot of money. We have to pay for
  it from now on, if we are planing to do this.
Q:We lads-net committee launched petition campaign from later August. As one of
  the organizers, I (Mi Mi) have sent two rounds of petition letters to the six
  US officials, one round with 524 and the other with 510 signatures. Up to now
  we have not received any response from them. What do you think of this petition
  drive?
A:That will certainly do us good. Do not expect quick reponses. At least they got
  the message, and they will take it into the account. 
 
  

  
  The above is only for your information.

Mi Mi

Member of LADs-net Committee

9/24/93, From New York City.


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Sep 24 15:41:41 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA13717); Fri, 24 Sep 93 15:41:41 CDT
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 15:41:41 CDT
Message-Id: <9309242040.AA04525@hippocrates.ss.uci.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: wlu@hippocrates.ss.uci.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: wlu@hippocrates.ss.uci.edu (Wei Lu)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Request information about Dependents in China
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


My friend's wife is in China. He is covered by CSPA.
He was told to file I-824 after he get his approval. However, he 
didn't get his approval yet and probably won't by the 30th of Sept.

When could he file I-824 for his wife if he receives his approval 
after Sept.? What other documents should he include to file?

If you have the similar questions and answers, please share with me.

Thank you very much.

END
-------------------------------------------------------------------

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Sep 24 19:01:39 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA14106); Fri, 24 Sep 93 19:01:39 CDT
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 19:01:39 CDT
Message-Id: <9309250003.AA17249@phyun0>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: zhu@phyun0.phys.ucr.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: zhu@phyun0.phys.ucr.edu (Quan Zhu)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Someone said:
>Mi Mi just called IFCSS HQ and spoke to Shi Heping Himself.

I don't understand---Is "Mi Mi" a man ? I thought that's a woman's name...


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Sep 24 22:48:19 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA14618); Fri, 24 Sep 93 22:48:19 CDT
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 22:48:19 CDT
Message-Id: <9309250345.AA16155@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

/Someone said:
/>Mi Mi just called IFCSS HQ and spoke to Shi Heping Himself.
/
/I don't understand---Is "Mi Mi" a man ? I thought that's a woman's name...

You are right at this point, Mi Mi is my daughter's name, but not the one she 
uses in her passport. She was born in the year of mice, and Mi Mi in Chinese
is cat.

I just happened to borrow her name when I started to get involved in some
lads related issue. Now it is too famous that everyone will be confused if
I use my own name (or you might want to correct me as "infamous"). Since I 
think the most important thing for me is to serve the lads community, I 
do not think using my own name is really necessary. Besides, that is also
my freedom of choice.

Mi Mi

Member of
Lads-net Committee 

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 25 02:03:12 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA15389); Sat, 25 Sep 93 02:03:12 CDT
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 02:03:12 CDT
Message-Id: <9309250659.AA19666@bass.gmu.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: minglu@bass.gmu.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: minglu@bass.gmu.edu ( Ming Lu)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: LAD/I824
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Someone told me that he filed I-824 for his wife.  But the beneficiary name
appearing on the receiving notice(I797) is still his name instead of his wife's
as it should be.  Does this mean that INS got confused about the purpose of 
this special case of filing I-824 or it really doesn't matter?  Does anyone have
the similar issue and comments?

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 25 07:30:50 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA16265); Sat, 25 Sep 93 07:30:50 CDT
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 07:30:50 CDT
Message-Id: <9309251228.AA17060@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re:  LAD/I824
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

/Someone told me that he filed I-824 for his wife.  But the beneficiary name
/appearing on the receiving notice(I797) is still his name instead of his wife's
/as it should be.  Does this mean that INS got confused about the purpose of
/this special case of filing I-824 or it really doesn't matter?  Does anyone have
/the similar issue and comments?

Yeah, I do. The first notice was in my name, the second one, is in my daughter's
name, Mi Mi. I give up since this approach seems to me is much slower than 
bringing her back to the US on her F-2 visa (which she has one) and applying as
a CSPA principal, since lads can not use world quota up to now. Besides,
it can save one more China's EB-3 quota for our LC sisters and brothers,
although there might be none to appreciate this! (just kidding)

Mi Mi

lads-net Committee


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 25 15:35:05 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA16759); Sat, 25 Sep 93 15:35:05 CDT
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 15:35:05 CDT
Message-Id: <9309252032.AA06987@gauss.ece.ukans.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: yliu@gauss.ece.ukans.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Yiyuan Liu <yliu@gauss.ece.ukans.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Question
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi, everyone.  I have a simple question.  What should those lads who have 
sent in their applications do after their principles get approval notice?
I heard that they should send a copy of the notice to their local INS offices.
If this is true, what documents should accompany the copy of notice? Is there
anything else that the lads should do?

Please reply on the net if you happen to know the answers.  Thank you.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 25 18:07:49 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA17031); Sat, 25 Sep 93 18:07:49 CDT
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 18:07:48 CDT
Message-Id: <9309252305.AA19769@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Mi Mi's mother has been approved!
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Hi, everybody! My wife, Mi Mi's mother, an F-2 holder, has been approved.
The priority date is July 1, receipt date was July 27, and approval notice
date is September 22. It is interesting that the ladies and children first
rule seems to be applied around us: although many of my friends sent their
applications in one package, the husbands are still waiting for approvals
while children and wives got theirs the first! 

We send out our applications in one package, through US Postals express mail,
on June 30, and it arrived at the INS center at 5:30pm, the next day.

Mi Mi is still waiting for his approval.

Mi Mi


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 25 18:15:21 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA17064); Sat, 25 Sep 93 18:15:21 CDT
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 18:15:21 CDT
Message-Id: <9309252307.AA19800@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 



From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 25 18:19:35 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA17112); Sat, 25 Sep 93 18:19:35 CDT
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 18:19:35 CDT
Message-Id: <9309252314.AA19812@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re: Mi Mi's mother has been approved!
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Another interesting fact: I just checked the autoanswering system at VT,
the computer told me my wife and my I-485 had been received on 7/27, and
nothing about the approval! So it shows the autoanswering system is not
reliable on my wife's case!

Mi Mi


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 25 18:30:10 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA17217); Sat, 25 Sep 93 18:30:10 CDT
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 18:30:10 CDT
Message-Id: <9309252327.AA19893@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: A question: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


The notice says the alien registration card will be mailed directly to my
wife in approximately 6 month. Now my question is, if we move, how can we 
inform the INS our new address? 

Besides, is there anyone who needs an interview? I mean principals. According
to the INS wire (I forget the number), those who fell out status prior to
10/9/92, and had not applied any benefits based on E.O.12711 needs to be 
interviewed. Maybe many of those guys are not on the net.

We kept our status up to now, although both of us had 6.4. WP since 7/9/90,
and I got AP last year (to send Mi Mi back to China). It is very interesting
that Mi Mi arrived in China on 8/1/92, so she does not break the 90 day rule,

Mi Mi




From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 25 18:34:15 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA17250); Sat, 25 Sep 93 18:34:15 CDT
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 18:34:15 CDT
Message-Id: <9309252328.AA19896@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: A question: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


The notice says the alien registration card will be mailed directly to my
wife in approximately 6 month. Now my question is, if we move, how can we 
inform the INS our new address? 

Besides, is there anyone who needs an interview? I mean principals. According
to the INS wire (I forget the number), those who fell out status prior to
10/9/92, and had not applied any benefits based on E.O.12711 needs to be 
interviewed. Maybe many of those guys are not on the net.

We kept our status up to now, although both of us had 6.4. WP since 7/9/90,
and I got AP last year (to send Mi Mi back to China). It is very interesting
that Mi Mi arrived in China on 8/1/92, so she does not break the 90 day rule,

Mi Mi




From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 25 18:38:12 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA17287); Sat, 25 Sep 93 18:38:12 CDT
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 18:38:12 CDT
Message-Id: <9309252328.AA19899@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: A question: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


The notice says the alien registration card will be mailed directly to my
wife in approximately 6 month. Now my question is, if we move, how can we 
inform the INS our new address? 

Besides, is there anyone who needs an interview? I mean principals. According
to the INS wire (I forget the number), those who fell out status prior to
10/9/92, and had not applied any benefits based on E.O.12711 needs to be 
interviewed. Maybe many of those guys are not on the net.

We kept our status up to now, although both of us had 6.4. WP since 7/9/90,
and I got AP last year (to send Mi Mi back to China). It is very interesting
that Mi Mi arrived in China on 8/1/92, so she does not break the 90 day rule,

Mi Mi




From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 25 19:42:43 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA17625); Sat, 25 Sep 93 19:42:43 CDT
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 19:42:43 CDT
Message-Id: <9309260039.AA01487@phoenix.cs.uga.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: liang@phoenix.cs.uga.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Xihui Liang <liang@phoenix.cs.uga.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Classification
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi,

Does anyone know what exactly is the EC-6 classification?  What classification
is a CSPAer surposed to have ( I heard about EB-3).  How all these immigration
status are classified?

Thanks for any information

X.L.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 25 19:52:28 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA17691); Sat, 25 Sep 93 19:52:28 CDT
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 19:52:28 CDT
Message-Id: <9309260049.AA20246@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Mi Mi's mother has been approved!
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Thanx for your message! Mi Mi is my daugter's "Xiao3 Min2", and also my 
"Bi3 Min2". 

Anyway, Mi Mi "xiao3 min2" does not know how to lobby, Mi Mi "Bi3 Min2" 
knows. Mi Mi "xiao3 min2" can not be the lads-net committee member, 
Mi Mi "Bi3 Min2" can.

Good luck, everybody!

Mi Mi

Member of Lads-net Committee

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 25 20:59:12 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA17916); Sat, 25 Sep 93 20:59:12 CDT
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 20:59:12 CDT
Message-Id: <9309260156.AA20513@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: A question:
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Hi, thank you for your information! I would like your posting the form number,
or, if you prefer, e-mail to me and I will post it for you, since many of our
netters will need this information. We can call INS form center to get one.
Well, I am glad I have been receiving many congratulations from our dear 
netters, and praise as well for our committee's effort. We have been helping
each other, and we will continue to do this for ourselves. Thank you very
much!

Mi Mi

Member of
Lads-net Committee
  



From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 25 21:55:56 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA18092); Sat, 25 Sep 93 21:55:56 CDT
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 21:55:56 CDT
Message-Id: <9309260253.AA20757@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject:  My dependent in China
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Q&A:
/   From: wlu@aris.ss.uci.edu (Wei Lu)
/   Dear Mi Mi:
/
/	   Thank you very much for your help. I am glad to know from you 
/that I don't have to care about the time window. But still I wish that 
/you could tell me the reason when you have time. Is it true that I should 
/file I-824 under EB-3 or anything else?
/
/        By the way, I thank you so much for your contribution to lads. 
/Your work has been greatly appreciated. Good luck to your daughter. I 
/think she will be here since she has already got the visa.
/ 

The reason for this, is you have to wait for your approval notice before your
I-824 can be processed. When you get your approval notice, you are eligible to
apply both under FB-2 and EB-3. The former has no window problem, while the 
later has.




%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Member of Lads-Net Committee.                    %
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@spike.rice.edu           %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log                               %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:                %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 25 22:12:55 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA18230); Sat, 25 Sep 93 22:12:55 CDT
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 22:12:55 CDT
Message-Id: <9309260310.AA20817@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Mi Mi's mother has been approved!
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

/   Date:         Sat, 25 Sep 93 21:28:31 CDT
/   From: hui liu <BSEN053@UNLVM.UNL.EDU>
/
/	 Hi! Mi Mi. Do you know any information about number of person who has
/   been approved? My husband sumitted his application on July 2, 1993. He
/   has not  received his notice yet. We are worried. Thanks for any infor-
/   mation.
/
/        Hui Liu

Sorry I have no idea about this. I called IFCSS HQ yesterday, and posted
the results to the net. CND-US relayed my posting today.

We will try to call IFCSS HQ again. Do not worry. So far so good. INS is doing
very fast. Even if we can not get approval before September 30, we can still
get approved after September 30. The so call 25,000 visa for 1994 and zero for 
1995 was totally fabricated. Comparing to the merely 50,000 applicants, 
practically we CSPA principals DO NOT have ANY quota ceilings. Unless you are
chosen to be interviewed (the criteria are, if you were out of status before
Bush signed the CSPA, AND had never applied any benefits under E.O.12711).

Since you have access to internet, I guess you do not have wto orry about the 
interview. Even you do, that is a routine. You can not be rejected.

Good Luck






%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Member of Lads-Net Committee.                    %
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@spike.rice.edu           %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log                               %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:                %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Sep 25 23:15:33 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA18439); Sat, 25 Sep 93 23:15:33 CDT
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 23:15:33 CDT
Message-Id: <23092523124282@vms3.macc.wisc.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: YSU@lidar.meteor.wisc.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: YSU@lidar.meteor.wisc.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Dear Editor:

I would like to share the following message with the netters.

"In the evening of 9/24, I called INS Lincoln Center to ask the status
of my application. The answering machine said the information was not 
available. But this morning I received the approval (the date was Sept.
22 and the priority date: July 1, 1993) letter from them by mail.
Now, except the preparation for going to INS Milwaukee Office 2 weeks
from now, I'm still worrying for my LADs although they have sent their
applications in August. Any advices and suggestions are very appreciated.
My E-mail address is: ysu@lidar.meteor.wisc.edu
By the way, I'd like to express my many thanks to the LAD-net editors,
especially Mi Mi, for their so much work and great contributions.
Good lucky to everybody!"      

Sincerely,
Y. SU

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 00:19:19 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA18648); Sun, 26 Sep 93 00:19:19 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 00:19:19 CDT
Message-Id: <9309260516.AA21445@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject:  A question:
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

/   From: Zhiguang Weng <zweng@valhalla.cs.wright.edu>
/   Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 01:07:31 -0400
/   Posted-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 01:07:31 -0400

/   yu can cah

/   you can change your address in post office, hw can u asked this stupid 
/   question?

Not so stupid as you think. In my neiborhood, the postal office never 
forward letters for you. Besides, a green card is too important to be 
lost.

Mi Mi
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Member of Lads-Net Committee.                    %
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@spike.rice.edu           %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log                               %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:                %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 01:16:12 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA18799); Sun, 26 Sep 93 01:16:12 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 01:16:11 CDT
Message-Id: <9309260614.AA02509@vlsia.uccs.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: zhou@vlsia.uccs.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: zhou@vlsia.uccs.edu (Zhou)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 



From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 07:31:00 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA19704); Sun, 26 Sep 93 07:31:00 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 07:31:00 CDT
Message-Id: <9309261228.AA23083@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 



From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 08:01:10 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA19801); Sun, 26 Sep 93 08:01:10 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 08:01:10 CDT
Message-Id: <9309261255.AA23171@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re: A question:
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


/Would you ask INS what we should do after the principals have been approved?

My wife had been asked to do finger print (I-89) when she got her receipt 
notice. This time, INS just tell her to wait for about six month to get her
green card to be made and mailed to her.

For those who have not done I-89 (including me), we have to go to local INS
to do finger print (I-89) after receiving the approval notice. One advantage 
for us is, when we do I-89, INS will stamp our passports so that the passports
will serve as a temporary green card. The disadvantage is, we have to wait
longer for green card than those who had done finger print upon receiving
receipt notice.

For those who have lads, you can file petition now. Either EB-3 or FB-2. For 
EB-3, it depends on your priority date and the time window available to you.
Since the time window is still open for September (current), if you got the
approval notice, you can file for your lads. INS needs your approval notice
to process your lads's application. I am not sure if we can apply after 
September 30, if the priority date is July 1. But it sounds to me we can do 
so since the priority date for October is July 1. For FB-3, the priority 
date for your lads is the date you file for them. So please hurry when you
get the approval notice.

Mi Mi


%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Member of Lads-Net Committee.                    %
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@spike.rice.edu           %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log                               %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:                %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 09:54:49 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA19923); Sun, 26 Sep 93 09:54:49 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 09:54:49 CDT
Message-Id: <9309261452.AA23394@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re: A question: (FYI)
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Just got a interesting message from a anonymous netter. Enjoy!

Mi Mi

/   Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 09:32 CST
/   From: ***@neurophys.wisc.edu
/   X-Vms-To: IN%"hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.EDU"

/   Hi, I just want to tell you that a lot of people received their approval
/   notices from Northern Center Saturday.  (Note A LOT, not just a few)
/   While some mailed their application the same day did not.  The interesting
/   thing is that several got their priority dates as June 30, 1993 (we know
/   that the earliest under CSPA should be July 1).		

/   This is for your personal information.  But if you want to post it to any
/   net, keep me anonymous.


%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Member of Lads-Net Committee.                    %
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@spike.rice.edu           %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log                               %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:                %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 10:26:55 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA20005); Sun, 26 Sep 93 10:26:55 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 10:26:55 CDT
Message-Id: <9309261520.AA01848@civilgate.ce.uiuc.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: mtang@civilgate.ce.uiuc.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: mtang@civilgate.ce.uiuc.edu (Ming Tang)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Approval notice received
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Hi! LAD netters,

I received my approval notice from INS Northern Service Center yesterday
(Saturday). The notice was dated on Sept. 22 and shows a priority date of
July 1, 1993. I sent out my application on June 29, and received a notice
(the notice date shown is July 2, 1993) two weeks later on July 15 informing
me to go to local INS office for processing I89 form. Nothing is new in the
context of the approval notice. It informs me to go to local INS office for
final processing so that their factory can make the new alien registration
card for me. Since many people received approval notice, but are not required
for the final processing. I am not quite sure what I am going to do in the
processing. Does the final processing serve as some kind of interview or
just a trivial procedure? Hopefully, we can figure out it soon.

Good luck, everybody.

Ming Tang

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 12:19:40 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA20190); Sun, 26 Sep 93 12:19:40 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 12:19:40 CDT
Message-Id: <9309261717.AA23725@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

I have no idea about which center accepts I-824. I have the same response
from Eastern center when I filed I-824 for my daughter, so I just gave up.
She can file for principal.

Do not worry about the time window. Your approval is prerequisite for any 
following to join visa application, etc., your lads in China. Only EB-3 
has time window, and FB-2 has not. Once you get your approval, go ahead
to file for your lads. Nothing can stop you. That is the law.

Good Luck!

Mi Mi

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Member of Lads-Net Committee.                    %
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@spike.rice.edu           %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log                               %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:                %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 14:01:41 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA20475); Sun, 26 Sep 93 14:01:41 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 14:01:41 CDT
Message-Id: <Pine.3.05.9309261308.A13528-b100000@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: pzg7089@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Ping  Zheng <pzg7089@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re: Approval notice received
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

I got the approval notice the same day as you did, and I believe the
content is the
same, i.e., I should go to the local INS for final processing. I sent out
the application on June 30, and got the receipt dated July 7. 

On Sun, 26 Sep 1993, Ming Tang wrote:

> 
> Hi! LAD netters,
> 
> I received my approval notice from INS Northern Service Center yesterday
> (Saturday). The notice was dated on Sept. 22 and shows a priority date of
> July 1, 1993. I sent out my application on June 29, and received a notice
> (the notice date shown is July 2, 1993) two weeks later on July 15 informing
> me to go to local INS office for processing I89 form. Nothing is new in the
> context of the approval notice. It informs me to go to local INS office for
> final processing so that their factory can make the new alien registration
> card for me. Since many people received approval notice, but are not required
> for the final processing. I am not quite sure what I am going to do in the
> processing. Does the final processing serve as some kind of interview or
> just a trivial procedure? Hopefully, we can figure out it soon.
> 
> Good luck, everybody.
> 
> Ming Tang




From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 14:09:46 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA20550); Sun, 26 Sep 93 14:09:46 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 14:09:46 CDT
Message-Id: <01H3EN9Y0LDE8WYAHN@Jetson.UH.EDU>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: GEOS3K@jetson.uh.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: GEOS3K@jetson.uh.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: new coming dependent
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi netters:
I am CSPA principal and got PR approved last week. However, my wife just
got F-2 nonimmigration visa and will come to America next month. How can 
I apply to adjust her status? Will I take the same procedures as previously
late arriving dependents or not? Can I apply it in October(no open window)?
Any comments and suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 14:43:28 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA20613); Sun, 26 Sep 93 14:43:28 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 14:43:28 CDT
Message-Id: <26114569@um.cc.umich.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: xy.zhou@um.cc.umich.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: xy.zhou@um.cc.umich.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Address change
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi, Mi Mi:
  When I was in the Detroit INS office in mid-July, an officer
told me that anyone could fill out an address change form from
their office and send it to related Service Center to update
your address.  I recommend you to call your local INS office to
get a form first.
  Good luck.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 14:54:29 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA20677); Sun, 26 Sep 93 14:54:29 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 14:54:29 CDT
Message-Id: <9309261950.AA24088@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Wrong posting address 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

/   From: Jun Wu <snow@lucerne.rice.edu>
/   Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 11:26:02 -0500 (CDT)
/   X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
/   Content-Type: text
/   Content-Length: 728       
/
/   Mi Mi,
/	   Please change the posting address from lads@spike to lads@lucerne
/   in your "mail tail". As a result, more people are posting to lads@spike
/   now and get rejected. :-(
/
/   Jun

Hi, netters! if you have posted to lads-net lately and got rejected, please
be advised that Mi Mi made a mistake in his signature file, which pointed 
the posting address to lads@spike.rice.edu instead of lads@lucerne.rice.edu.
Sorry for this inconvenience. 

The third around signature of 528 is being compiled. Mi Mi will send out
very soon. Please continue to support our collective effort to push lads
into the world-wide pool. Since the there is practically no ceiling for us
CSPA principals this year or next year, it makes pretty sense to use that
leftover 1994 quota for our lads, and benefit both late-arriving communities.

United, we will make a difference.

Mi Mi Sr.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., An Old Mice Chasing Dog, with Mi Mi Jr.,    %
%    A kitten born in the year of mice.                       %               
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@lucerne.rice.edu         %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log and 9309lads.log              %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    lads-sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:           %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 14:58:50 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA20721); Sun, 26 Sep 93 14:58:50 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 14:58:50 CDT
Message-Id: <9309261956.AA24104@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Address change
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

   Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 14:53:18 CDT
   Reply-To: xy.zhou@um.cc.umich.edu
   Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
   Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
   Precedence: bulk
   From: xy.zhou@um.cc.umich.edu
   X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
   X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

   Hi, Mi Mi:
     When I was in the Detroit INS office in mid-July, an officer
   told me that anyone could fill out an address change form from
   their office and send it to related Service Center to update
   your address.  I recommend you to call your local INS office to
   get a form first.
     Good luck.

Thanx for your message!

Mi Mi

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., An Old Mice Chasing Dog, with Mi Mi Jr.,    %
%    A kitten born in the year of mice.                       %               
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@lucerne.rice.edu         %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log and 9309lads.log              %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    lads-sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:           %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 15:19:41 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA20843); Sun, 26 Sep 93 15:19:41 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 15:19:40 CDT
Message-Id: <01H3EPQCAKK28WXXFI@Jetson.UH.EDU>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: GEOS3K@jetson.uh.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: GEOS3K@jetson.uh.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: new coming dependent
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi, netters!
I am a CSPA principal and got PR appoved last week. However, my wife just got
F-2 nonimmigration visa in Beijing and is coming to America next month. Anyone
knew how I can apply to adjust her stutas? Will my wife take the same procedure
as previous lads or not? Can she apply it in next October(no open window)? Any 
comments and suggestions will be appreciated.
Thanks!

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 16:14:01 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA21015); Sun, 26 Sep 93 16:14:01 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 16:14:01 CDT
Message-Id: <9309262111.AA24330@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re: Time Window and etc
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Q&A:
 
Q: Is there any time windows for lads?                
 
A: It depends what category you are talking about, and what 
   kind of lads you are dealing with.
   
   For EB-3, there is a time window. Unless the priority date
   for this particular month is current, or the priority date
   is later than your own priority date, you can not apply.
   Since September's priority date is current, so every CSPA
   principal can apply EB-3 for their lads. Next month, however,
   the priority date has rolled back to July 1. So if your 
   priority date is, say, August 1, then you must wait in 
   August. So it is highly recommendated you file ASAP in 
   September.
 
   For FB-2, there is no time window. Once you get your approval
   notice, you can apply for your lads. The date INS receives 
   your application, is the priority date for your lads. So it 
   is highly recommendated you file ASAP once you receive your
   approval notice.
 
   For lads in US, we have DED and Non-DED lads. DED lads 
   problem has not been fully solved. Some INS local offices
   accept DED lads application, some do not. This is quite
   compicated. For Non-DED, you can file in September, since
   it is current. For those principals with approval notices
   saying their priority date is July 1, Mi Mi believes they
   can still file in October. But if there is no particular
   reason to wait a while, why not do it NOW? You are not 
   required to submit a complete package when you file.
 
   For lads in China, it is different. You can file I-824 for
   them once you get your approval notice. But who knows how
   long they have to wait inside China to be granted a visa?   
   If you managed to obtain nonimmigration visas for them, just
   let them come here. If the EB-3 window is open, apply for 
   EB-3 for them. If it is closed, then apply FB-2. Actually 
   you can file both simultaneously. It does not hurt (except
   your wallet).
   
   Our world quota campaign, can save lads in many ways. It
   can cut off the waiting time both in China and in U.S., and
   save China's quotas for late-arriving-students. Since there
   is no ceiling for us (the projected 25,000 for 1994 was 
   totally groundless, according to the telephone conversation
   between Mi Mi and IFCSS HQ official), it is quite possible
   a huge chunk of 94's world-wide EB-3 will be wasted. So the 
   chance for us is quite good: since we are not hurting anybody
   by using that leftover up, we will not have much resistance.
   The only problem is, how we can organize ourselvs and launch
   a successful campaign to grasp that opportunity. Think about
   this!
 
 
Mi Mi Sr.
Member of Lads-Net Committee
 
                                                                             
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., An Old Mice Chasing Dog, with Mi Mi Jr.,    %
%    A kitten born in the year of mice.                       %               
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@lucerne.rice.edu         %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log and 9309lads.log              %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    lads-sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:           %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 16:20:59 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA21049); Sun, 26 Sep 93 16:20:59 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 16:20:59 CDT
Message-Id: <9309262114.AA24343@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: new coming dependent
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

   Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 15:23:42 CDT
   Reply-To: GEOS3K@jetson.uh.edu
   Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
   Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
   Precedence: bulk
   From: GEOS3K@jetson.uh.edu
   X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
   X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

   Hi, netters!
   I am a CSPA principal and got PR appoved last week. However, my wife just got
   F-2 nonimmigration visa in Beijing and is coming to America next month. Anyone
   knew how I can apply to adjust her stutas? Will my wife take the same procedure
   as previous lads or not? Can she apply it in next October(no open window)? Any 
   comments and suggestions will be appreciated.
   Thanks!

Keep in touch!

Mi Mi Sr.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., An Old Mice Chasing Dog, with Mi Mi Jr.,    %
%    A kitten born in the year of mice.                       %               
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@lucerne.rice.edu         %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log and 9309lads.log              %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    lads-sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:           %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 16:48:29 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA21170); Sun, 26 Sep 93 16:48:29 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 16:48:29 CDT
Message-Id: <9309262140.AA10839@cse.unl.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hong@cse.unl.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hong@cse.unl.edu (Dawei Hong)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: information about the norther center
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hello! The INS Northern Service Center in Lincoln has put more 
information on their automatic answer system. You can hear
"the processing on your application for PR has been approved ..."
and the date when the written notice was mailed out to you, in
case where your application does have been approved.

Good Luck to you all. 


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 19:27:55 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA21625); Sun, 26 Sep 93 19:27:55 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 19:27:55 CDT
Message-Id: <9309270027.AA08003@dedekind.math.luc.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: my@math.luc.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: my@math.luc.edu (Miao Ye)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Third round signatures
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 



	cut off date : Sep. 1 -- Sep. 25
	number of signatures : 528

****************************************************************************

Mr. Letong Tang, 524 W.Tyler Ave #D, Stillwater, OK74075, (405)377-2936
Co-signing Spouse:Xiaoduan Sheng
Co-signing Son: Dacheng Tang

Mr. Hong Xia,Computer Lab Monitor,University of North Texas
	(817)565-2501(O) (817)382-8519(H), Internet: xia@slab.unt.edu
Co-signing Spouse:Mrs. Jinyuan Huang

Zhefei Chen, Apt.5A, 175 South Swan St., Albany, N.Y. 12210, 518-4650715
Co-signer: Weimin Xu

Yuongpeng Xue, 326 Western Ave. Albany, N.Y. 12203, 518-4424427
Co-signer: Chunrong Wu
Co-signer: Xiaofeng Xue

Min Cai, Apt.3F, 570, Western Ave. Albany, N.Y. 12208, 518-4824956
Co-signers: Xiaobin Sun
Co-signer: Yao Sun

Weihua Zhang,542  Washington Ave. Albany, N.Y. 12203, 518-4620703
Co-signers: Qiwei Sun
Co-signer: Feifei Sun

Peiguang Zhou, 863 Medison Ave., Albany, N.Y. 12208, 518-4538334
Co-signers: Jinghua Zhao
Co-signer: Mao  Zhou

Qihua Xu, 16, Benson St., Albany, N.Y. 12206, 518-4624048
Co-signer: Jin Yu

Xiaohua Liu,761 Myrtle Ave., Albany, N.Y. 12208,518-4389037
Co-signers: Zhongyuan Cheng
Co-signer: Ran Cheng

Ms Jie Li, 833 S University Blvd. #143, Mobile, AL 36609, (205) 343-3215
Co-signed Spouse: Mr. Tianyi Cai
Co-signed child: Linyuan Cai 

Mr. Aiqun Niu, 265 W McMillan St Apt 3, Cincinnati, Oh 45219, (513)721-0620
Co-signed Spouse, Ms. Rongli Xie

Ms. Jiang, Hua, 1512 Wheless Lane, #203, Austin, TX 78723, (512)453-4176

Wei Zhong, 3204 Sawtelle BLVD. #4, Los Angeles,CA90066, (310)915-9721
Co-signer: Yiwen Fang

Xiang Zhang, 804 Gooding Dr. #99, Albany, CA.94720, (510)-528-3758
Co-signer: Zheng Qian

Mr. Puna Tan, 200 AVE.A, 6F, College station, TX77840
Miss,Xionreng Meng, 200 AVE.A, 6F, college station, TX77840
Co-signed: Puna Tan
Co-signer: Xionreng Meng

Mr.Zhang Xuanqi, 2265, Y st. Apt.#15 Lincoln, Ne68503, (402)477-1850
Cosigned spouse: Wang Ying
Cosigned Child: Zhang Heng

Mr. Jun Gu, 79 Carlton St., Brookine, MA 02146,	(617)739-1394
Co-signer: Ms. Xiaoyan Liu

Mr. Dingjun Wang, Dept. of Chem.,TAMU,College Station,TX77843.(409)846-7279
Co-signed Spouse: Ms.Haiyan Wang

Ms. Yumei Sun, 8148 genesee ave. #110, San Diego, CA 92122

Xianfan Xu,Department of Mechanical Engineering,University of California,Berkeley,Ca 94720,(510)540-0422
Co-signer: Qin Zhu

Mr. Kenneth Weng, 4271 Amston Dr. Dayton, OHIO, 45424 (513)233-8274
Co-signer: Ms. Aili Dai Weng

Mr. Honghui Xu, 1721 Radio Rd. Dayton, OHIO, 45432 (513)259-1427

HaiPing Jin, 12 E, escondido Village, Stanford University, Stanforde,Ca 94305,
Co-signer: Jianmei Piao

Mr. Wenliang Pu, 2540 Dole St., #302, Honolulu, HI 96822, Tel#: (808) 956-8147
Cosigned spouse: Ying Zhou

Mr. Xianhong Chen, 3124 N. Arcadia #3, Colorado Springs, CO80907, Tel# (719) 520 5093
Co-signed spouse: Hongying Zhou

Mr. Gan, Qiluo, 2150 Richmond Rd.  Apt. 124, Lexington KY 40502, (606)266-7436
Co-signed child:  Gan, Mike

Ms. Zhen Wang, 14 New Street, #1S, Somerville, NJ 08876, 908-234-9318 (O) 908-722-5238 (H)
Co-signer: Mr. Weitian Zhang 

Mr. Hongchi Shi, CIS Department, University of Florida, Gainesville, FL 32611, (904)392-1435
Co-signed Spouse: Hong Wang

Mr. W. David Li, 29 Oxford St, Cambridge, MA 02138, 617-495-4478

Chihua Chang, Dept. of ESE, U-157, UCONN, Storrs, CT 06268, 203-486-1823

Yang Xiaozhuo, math Dept, Michigan State Univ, East Lansing, MI48823,

Lifan Hu, 913 Curtis Ave., #2, Columbia, MO 65201, 314-443-1520
Jianping Qin, spouse, Co-signed.
Jiexi Hu, child, Co-signed.

Miao Ye, 6443 N. Wayne, Chicago, IL 60626, (312)262-0018
Co-signed Spouse: Xiaohong Chen
Co-signed Child:  Beilin Ye

Mr. zhiyuan Dai, 4301 Rowalt Dr # 202, college park md 20740
Co-signer: Ms. Subing Zeng
Co-signer: Mr. sichao Dai

Zhang Feng, University of Minnesota, e-mail: zhan0002@gold.tc.umn.edu

Mr. Shiqiang Xu, 1611 Laurel Ave. Apt.#724, Knoxville, TN 37916, (615)637-8929 
Co-signed Spouse, Mrs. Zheng Wang
Co-signed Children: Yi Xu, daughter
Co-signed Children: Bo Xu,   son  

Ms. WEI YANG, 183 windsor st., Cambridge, MA 02139, (617)491-6424.

Yinchao Chen, Ph.D., Dept. of ECE, University of South Carolina, Columbia, SC 29208, 
	(803)777-8316 (O) (803)252-4115 (H)

Mr. Jixiang Ma, 1963B Orchard St., Urbana, IL61801, Tel# 217-344-8552
Co-signed By Huihua Zhou

Mr. Lijian Yang, 5-G Royal Park Apt., Carrboro, NC 27510, Tel#:(919)-932-3164

Mr. Renzhi Qin, 200 Jardine Terr Apt J27, Manhattan, KS 66502, Tel: 913-537-8566,
Co-signed Xinhua Sun (wife)
Co-signed Lin Qin (daughter)

Mr. Lezhang Chen, Apt. 403, 710 Roeder Road, Silver Spring, MD 20710, Tel# 301-588-4192

Mr.: Hua Gao, 809 S. Stoneman Ave. #F, Alhambra, CA 91801, Tel#: (818)457-8854

Mr. : Qinhe Cheng,  2802-24 Brigadoon Dr. , Raleigh,  NC 27606, (919)859-4540.
Co-signer: Yingying Chen

Mr. Delong Zhang, 18 Stouffer Place, #8, Lawrence, KS66044, Tel: (913)843-4830
Co-signed Spouse: Ms Lizheng Liu
Co-signed Child: Miss Yiyu Zhang

Mr. W. An, e-mail address: AN@binah.cc.brandeis.edu 
Co-signer: X.zhang

Geoffrey Liu, e-mail address: gliu@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu

Keling Shen,e-mail address: V592XM8P@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Co-signer: Xiaowen Xi, 

Mr. Wei He, 272 B Faller Drive, New Milford, New Jersey 07646
Co-signed spouse: Xuefen Wang

Xiaoming Wang, 618 E 3rd Street#203, Bloomington, IN 47405, (812)855-8530
Co-signer: Wenfang Cheng

ZHAOYAO QIU,3550  NICHOLSON DR. 2077, BATON ROUGE, LA 70802

MS Jingrong Huang, 150 claremont Ave., Apt 6G, New York, NY 120027, (212) 316-2167

Mr. Shourong Shu, 295 Ellwood Canyon Road, Goleta, CA 93117. Tel:(805)968-8481
Co-signed: Ying Wang (my wife, LAD in China)
Co-signed: Yongtao Shu (my son, LAD in China)

Mr. Wei Liu, 16505 Vanowen St., Apt. 115, Van Nuys, CA 91406. Tel:(818)901-9525
Co-signed Jing Huang (Wei Liu's wife, LAD in the U.S.)
Co-signed Frank Liu (Wei Liu's son, LAD in the U.S.)

Mr. ZHU, Minghe, 1400 valley Rd. Pullman, WA 99163
Co-signed spouse: Dong, Jinmei
Co-signed child: Zhu, Xi

Mr. Wenzhong Zhao, 2346 Shadowood, Ann Arbor, Michigan, 48108, (313) 971-0362
Co-signed Spouse:Xijun Yun
Co-signed Child:Sen Zhao

Zhenyu Zhou, Electrical Engineering, Univ. of Southern California

Mr. Li Ning  468 Prentis,#3B apt , Detroit,Michigan 48201 #ph:313-832-5831.

Yuhe Ma, Ph.D. Student in Microbiology, e-mail address: Y0MA0001@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU, (502)852-4291

Mr. Wenlin Chen, 120 Pleasant Grove Rd., Apt. 4B, Ithaca, NY 14850
Co-signed Spouse, Ms. JunQing Li

Mr. Weixiang Gao, 233-A Jackson Circle, Chapel Hill, NC 27514, Tel:  919-914-6914
Co-signed spouse: Hui Chen
Co-signed child : Ruoqi Gao

Xiaohua Sun, 4347, Jefferson, #1, Houston, Tx 77023, (713) 921-0362
Co-signed: Hua Jiang

Mr.Xiaoping Chen, 941 Lambeth Circle, Durham, NC 27705
Co-signer: Mrs. Baolin Sun.
 
Mr. Robert T. Chen, 102J Eagle Heights, Madison, WI, 53705, Tel: (608)238-9152
Co-signed Spouse:Ms. Shujin Wang,
Co-signed children: Dajun Chen 
Co-signed children: Guangzhi Chen 

Ms. Jie Yang, 1721 Robin Drive , Bensalem, PA 19020, Tel:(215) 633-0642

Mr Aidong Ding, 400 white hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853, Tel(607)277-4909

Mr. Y. Sun, 161 Metlars Lane, Piscataway, NJ08854, (908) 699-9434
Co-signer: Mrs. L. Li
Co-signer: Miss. E. Sun

Yongmin Li, 462 Montclair ave., Bethlehem, PA 18015, Tel. 215-974-9735
Co-signed spouse   Hong Zeng

MR. KAIQI HU, 304 LIVINGSTON ST., #3B, BROOKLYN, NY 11217, TEL#: 718-834-9813,
COSIGNED WIFE: YI QUN  WANG.

Mr. Guoqing Lin, 133 Springville, Upper Apt., Buffalo, NY 14226, 716-838-2083

Mr. Hong Xu, 1576 C Spartan Village, East Lansing, MI 48823, (517)353-0914
Co-signed (wife) Xiaolan Zhou

Ms. Lie Lai, 2930 Scioto St. # 502 , Cincinnati, Oh 45219, Tel#: (513) 513-556-7438 
Co-signed Spouse, Mr. Xiao-Bao  Lu
Co-signed Child, Ms. Ruo-Heng Lu

Mr. Hui-Kang Wang, 105 Fidelity St., B-35, Carrboro, NC 27510, 919-966-5908
Co-signed Spouse, Ling Li
Co-Signed daughter, Min-Xuan Wang

Sam Guo, e-mail address: gy@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Yonghong Guo)
Co-signer: Jow Guo 
Co-signer: Shah Guo
Co-signer: Mei Zhao

Mr. Hai Li, 2245 Mckinley AVE, Apt. B, Berkeley, CA 94703,(510)486-6572,(510)848-8014
Co-signer: Ms. Dong Wang

Mr. Dapeng Zhang, Dept. of Horticultural Science, NC State University, Raleigh, NC 27695-7609, 
	Tel# (919)-515-3167,
Co-signed spouse  Yu Xiang
Co-signed child   Yun Zhang

Mr. Wang Jiesheng, 127-5 Southern Hills, Carbondale, IL 62901, (618) 549-6533
Co-signer: Ms. Cai fang  
Co-signer: Miss. Wang Meixin 
 
Mr. Cong Lai, RR2 Warwick Brook Rd.  Tuxedo, NY 10987, (914)351-5587
Co-signed Spouse, Weihua Wang
Co-signed Child, Kunwu Lai

Mr. DEcai  Zhu,  Dept. of Physics, Columbia University, New York, N.Y. 10027
Co-signer: Mrs. Lei Lu	

Mr. Shibin Xiang,306 N Estes Dr. #5A, Carrboro, NC 27510, (919)968-3523
Co-signed: Ping Ye,

Mr. Junyi Wang, Dept. of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523
Co-signed: Ms. Yan Huang

Songwei zhang, e-mail address: songwei@cae.wisc.edu 

Mr. Huang, Jian , 305 Ave.G, #28, Denton, TX 76201, 817-566-1863
Co-signed Spouse, Ms. Liu Anli

Mr. Dinghua Xie,104 Orchard LN, Chapel Hill, NC 27514, Tel (919)408-0834. 
Co-signed spouse,Xingxi Peng. 
Co-signed child, Peng Xie.

Mr. Yuedong Wang, 104 J Eagle Hts, Madison, WI 53705, (608) 238-4125
Co-signed: Yan Li (Wife)

Wenming Cao, ME department., Washington Univ. at St.louis, Tel 314-935-7563
Co-signer: Shudi Yu

Mr. Jun Yu, Dept. of Ocean Engineering, FAU, Boca Raton, FL 33486, 407-367-2380

Sui Li, Department of Economics, SUNY at Buffalo, Amherst, NY 14260,
	E-mail: suili@acsu.buffalo.edu
Co-signed : Yijian Jin (Husband)   
	Department of Chemical Engineering, SUNY at Buffalo, Amherst, NY 14260

Mr. JIAN ZHANG, 5-R KINGSWOOD APTS, CHAPEL HILL, NC 27516, (919)968-3266
Co-signer: Mrs. XIONG LI

Shunli Yao, Economics Department , University of California , Davis, Ca 95616

Mr. Zi Ping Lin, 6501 Ranchester #333, Houston, TX, 77036, (713)995-7152
Co-signed Spouse ZhiShan Zhan

Mr.Huimin Liu, Dept.of Physics, UPR, Mayaguez, PR 00680, 809-265-3844/ext.2007
Co-signed Qingyun Yan
Co-signed Linxiao Liu

Ms. Yanyun Wang, Dept.of Physics, UPR, Mayaguez, PR 00680, 809-265-3844/ext.2772 
Co-signed Huizhang Li
Co-signed: Tao Li

Jie Chen, Department of Physics, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6396
	(215)898-5883 (O), (215)662-1830(H) 

Mr. Weiwen Liu,1203 9th st,Los Alamos,NM,87544,5056679876

Ms Xiurong Zhang, 166 Crenshaw Dr. #4, Tallahassee FL 32310, (904) 575-7518
Co-signed Spouse: Baoshu Yuan

Ms. Sixia Chen, 3341 Commodore Dr. #457, Lexington, KY, 40502, 606-269-0636
Co-signer: Mr. Liang Chen, 1249 Francis Street, Atlanta, GA, 30318, 404-874-0772
Co-signer: Mr. Zhe Chen

Guojing, Zhang, e-mail address: GXZ9202@ritvax.isc.rit.edu 

Mr. Guanghua WU, 2202 Main St. #127, Lubbock, TX 79401-2902, 806-744-7255
Co-signer: Li Song
Co-signer: Jia Wu

Mr. Jian Yang, 204-A Conant Road, Rochester, NY 14623, Tel# 716-292-5192
Co-signer: Ms. Nilei Wu

Jason Zhang, University of Pennsylvania

Chitty  He, Saint Joesph's University

Huan  Li, Saint  Joesph's University

Mr. Jinsheng Liu, 351 West Side Dr. #202, Gaithersburg, MD 20878, Tel: (301)926-7999
Co-signed, Ge Wang

Xiang Zhu, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, University of South Carolina, Columbia, SC. 29201

L-X.Zhou, 1043 29th Ave.S.E, Mpls, Mn55414
Co-signer: X. Chen

N-Q, Chen, 5313 Min'Haha Ave.s., Mpls. Mn55417

Ms. Ping Hu, Dept. Biochemistry, 323 RAL, 600 S Mathews Ave., Univ. of Illinois, Urbana, IL 61801

Mr. Ma, Yongsheng, 50E. 98th st. Apt. 5E3, New York, NY 10029, (212)241-0732 (O) (212)348-8724 (H)
Co-signed spouse: Yin, Zhiping

Mr. Hong Zhang, 2901 Blair Blvd, Apt. B-6, Nashville, TN 37212, (615) 385-4159
Co-signed spouse:  Ms. Zhaojin Song

Mr.Xiaojun Zhu, Dept. of EE&CS, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Milwaukee, WI53201, (414)229-3904
Co-signer: Ms. Hong Liu

Mr. Hong Wang, 2364-8 Bishop, Ann Arbor, MI 48105, (313) 764-4578
Co-signed Spouse, Zhao Wen-xiu

Zhaoxi Wang, 5200 Anthony Wayne Drive, #815, Detroit, MI 48202, (313)832-4854
C0-signed Spouse: Jie Zhang

Ms. Youpeng Zong, St. Cloud, Minnesota 56303, (612)656-1548
Co-signer: Mr. Weimin Lu, Spouse
Co-signer: Zongliu Lu, Child

Mr. Yi Chang, 2203 Lakeview Drive, Parlin, NJ. 08859, 908-721-5825
Co-signed Spouse, Mrs.	Huaying Zhai	
Co-signed Child,  Mr.	Xiao Chang

Mr. 	Liu Dongming, 133-36 41 Road, Flushing, NY. 11355, 718-358-2923
Co-signed Spouse, Mrs.	Yuan Lu Zhi

Mr. Dawei Nie, 94-17 40 Drive, Elmhurst, NY. 11373, 718-507-8709
Co-signed Spouse, Mrs.	Hongzhi	Zhang	
Co-signed Child,  Mr. 	Xiaoguang Nie

Mr. Feng Zai, 54-11 152 Street, Flushing, NY. 11355, 718-460-2446
Co-signed Spouse: Mrs.	Xu Danqiong

Mr. Michael Zheng, 72-11 Dane Place, Forest Hill, NY. 11375, 718-263-1788
Co-signed Spouse, Mrs.	Xiang Hong Yu 
Co-signed Child,  Miss. Fan Zheng  

Mr. Bing Wang, 90-14 Union Turnpike, Flushing, NY. 11366, 718-468-8187
Co-signed Spouse, Mrs.	Wenlin Song	
Co-signed Child,  Mr.   Wei Wang

Mr. Xiaohua Leng, 3822 N. Braeswood, 142#, Houston, TX 77030, 713-661-6497(h)
Co-signed: Shi Li

Mr. Xiao Cheng, 3060 Marshall Ave. #311, Cincinnati, OH 45220, (513)961-3843
Co-signe Spouse: Xiaowei Niu

Jitao Yin, 7401 North Ridge Blvd., Chicago, IL 60645, 312-743-8427
Co-signed spouse, Ying Zhang
Co-signed Child, Yishi Yin

Mr. Shihong Song, 3000 Trinity #65, Los Alamos, NM 87544, (505) 662-2945

HUAMING YAO, e-mail address: ce137hy@prism.gatech.edu 
Co-signer: HONGYAN FAN
Co-signer: TONY    FAN

Mr. Qi Liu, 4525 Candlewood Pl. #301, Rapid City, SD 57702, Tel. 605-343-3668
Co-signer: Xiaowei Li
Co-signer: Richard Li

Shujia Zhou, 805 Leland Ave Apt 2N, St. Louis, MO 63130, 314-935-6196 (o)
Co-signer: Wanshu HUANG 
Co-signer: Penghua ZHOU 

Ms. Lin Zhang, 6245 Renwick #4328, Houston, TX 77081
Co-signed Zhijian Xi(husband)

Yunjie ding, 55 Eiss Place, #3 , Amherst, NY 14226, Tel: (716) 836-7011 
Co-signed  Yihua Liu
Co-signed  Yirong Ding 

Mr. Mingzhi Lu, 28892 GA TECH STATION, ATLANTA, GA 30332, 404-894-3890

Mr./Ms: Shengji Peng, 2047 Knapp Ave. APt. E-1, St. Paul, MN 55108, Tel. 612-645-8899
Co-signer: Liming Peng
Co-signer: Yu Peng

Mr. Jiang Zhao, Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel:(607)273-5720, e-mail address: JIANG@jgsm2.gsm.cornell.edu 
Co-signer: Ms. Ruozhen Chen 

Tuhong Shi, e-mail address: THSHI@ccvm.sunysb.edu

Mrs. Chen, Wei  4247 Locust St. #706 Philadelphia, PA 19104  (215) 662-1045
Co-signer: Chen, Yinshuo
Co-signer: Chen, Tian

Mr.  Huang, Lingyi  P.O.Box 43073    Philadelphia, PA 19129-3073 (215)844-2955
Co-signer: Chang, Hong

MR. JIE SUN, 11464 CONNECTICUT AVE., KENSINGTON, MD, 20895, (301) 933-2473
SPOUSE: GUOYING ZHANG
CHILD : LIYANG SUN

Peihua Chen, 833 hollins St. Baltimore, Md 21201. 410-685-0279
Co-signed Child: Yufei yang

Mr. Zhengguo Hu, 331 Devonshire St. Pittsburgh, PA 15213, (412)268-5059
Co-signed Spouse Junwen Zhu,
Co-signed Child Ruixi Hu

Ms.Xiaotie Liu.118 NE,23RD,#54,MOORE,OK73160.
Co-signed spouse:Bing Li
Co-signed child:Xiaoou Li.

Mr. Y. Zhang, 11 Rivercrest , Hanover, NH 03755

Mr. Liubo Hong, 307 S. Wilson Ave, #1, Pasadena, CA 91106 (818)564-0395

Mr. Liwu Hong, 1309 4th St, Brookings, SD 57006, (605)692-5092

Xiaoming Zhou, 108 W. 39th St. Apt 25, Baltimore, MD 21210. Tel 410-366-7757

Mr. Xiang-Ying SU, 615 W. Hancock, #307 , Detroit, MI 48201, (313)831-1092
Co-signer: Ms. Hong JIANG 

Mr. Jingsong Fu, 404 Shadowgraph Dr. San Jose, CA 95110, (408) 292-6338
Co-signer: Ms. Yang Lu

Dongmei Luan, 1232 Mt. Hope Ave.  Apt. 8, Rochester, NY 14620
Co-sign:  Xiaofang Ding (spouse, lad)

Mr. JianLing Ding, 2216 Staples Mill Road, #4, Richmond, VA 23230, Tel# (804)359-1643

Mr. Dezhi chu, 9301 Drake Av. Skokie, IL 60203

Mr. Jian-Qing Wang, Physics Department, Box 1843, Brown university, Providence, RI 02912, 401-8633056
Co-signed: Ms. Jiu-Zhou Zhao
Co-signed: Ms. Wei-Meng Wang

Hong Liu, Dept. of Electrical Enginerring, Columbia University, New York, NY 10027

Mr. Faqing Huang, 311 S. LaSalle St. 50F, Durham, NC 27705, 919-286-2257

MR.KUN LIAN, 3000INDEPENDENCE ST. #221, METAIRIE, LA70006, TEL:504-885-7474

Qi Yang, 9539 Lakeshore Blvd NE, Seattle WA 98115, 206-522-1763

Bai Xi Chen, e-mail address: CHEN%MILO@cutter.mco.edu
Co-signer: Ping Shen,

Mr. Yonghong Pan, 888 Davis St. #310, San Leandro, CA 94577, Tel. (510)-596-3063
Co-signed Spouse: Qiuhui Ke

Mr. Tianlin Wang, 405 W. Springfield Avenue, Champaign IL 61820, 217-359-7070

Mr. Mingsheng Han, 4553 guadalupe st #315, Austin, TX78751
Co-signed Cathy Z. Han 

Mr. Chen, Weiqun, #21 Mansfield Apt. Storrs, CT06268, Tel:(203)429-7354

Mr. Zhen Gang Gu, Ann Arbor,MI 48105, 313-763-7001
Co-signer: Ms. Yan Hua Zhang

Mr. Shuwei Hua, 43 South Ave, Apt C, Harrisonburg, VA 22801, (703)433-8637.
Spouse: Jai-Ryoung Kim

Wei Bao, Dept of Phusics and Astronomy, The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218, (410)516-7832

Qingshan Yan, 302 W. Armstrong Ave., Peoria, IL. 61604, 309-671-8538(o) 309-681-0393 (h)
Co-signed spouse: Shue Ge Yan
Co-signed children: Xiaoting Yan
Co-signed children: Xiaoyun Yan

Miss Liusha Hua, 1136 South Clark Dr. #5, Los Angeles, CA 90035, (310)274-2348

Ms. Qun Zhou, 822 Maryland Ave., Syracuse, NY 13210, tel: 315-472-9318

Mr. Weiqi Ding, 1160 Commonwealth Ave. Apt. 36, Allston, MA 02134, tel:617-739-1671

Mr. Geng Zhang, Dept. of Psychology, Elliot Hall, 75 E. River Rd., University of Minnesota, Mpls., MN 55414
Co-signed spouse: Ms. Hong Xia

Ms. Alice Yongge Chen, 700 Woodland Avenue, G 203, Lexington, Kentucky 40508, (606) 258-8399 (h)
Co-signer: Alice Chen
Co-signer: Han-Yang Chen

Peng-Fei Fu, Chemistry Department, Nothwestern University
	e-mail address: pengfu@merle.acns.nwu.edu 

Mr. Yuliang Li, 1816 Weaver St., State College, PA16803, (814) 867-6407
	emial:  yxl6@psuvm.psu.edu
Co-signer: Ms. Guimin Gao

Zimei HUANG: Box 870344, Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0344

Mao Ye, 402 D First St., College Station, TX 77840, 409-846-6494

Mr. Liu Ling, 2631 Nicholson ST, #102, Hyattsville, Md 20782; (301)559-3427
Co-signed Wife: Liu YouPing

Mr. weiyi Jia, Dept.of Physics, UPR, Mayaguez, PR 00680
Co-signed Lizhu Lu

Miss Qin Chen, Bioloby Department, Graduate Division, University of California, Riverside

Tian-Jian Chen, Graduate Group of Genetics, University of California, Riverside, CA 92521

Mr. Qihai Liu, 1300 30th St., Boulder, CO 80303
Co-signed: Jin Yue
Co-signed: Yiwei Liu 

Zhuang Li,13 Highgate Circle,Ithaca,NY14850,(607)257-5659

MS: yinghui Liu, 97 spring st., Middletown, CT 06457, Tel: 203-636-3062

Mr. Jianxin Zhang, 402 Life Sciences, Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
	Tel: 504-388-1846, e-mail: xp2880b@lsuvm.bitnet
Co-signed: Zhihua Fan(wife)
Co-signed: Shuo Zhang(son)

Mr. Xikui Wei, 402 Life Science, Department of Entomology, Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
	Tel  504-388-1846
Co-signed: Song Xiaomei

Mr. Jian Chen, Department of Entomology, Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, LA 70803, 504-388-1852
Co-signed: Dong Xiaojun(wife)
Co-signed: Chen Jiji(son)

Zhiyuan Shen, Ph.D, Jingmei liu, M.D., 500 W. Prospect, 30K, Fort Collins, CO 80526, (303)491-8155

Ze YU, #903 Redbud Apts., Bloomington, IN 47406, Tel# (812)857-9494

Mr. Yuming Deng, 101 Curl Dr. #612, Columbus, Oh 43210, Phone (614)293-9474

Mr. Weiqing Huang, 330 Mckee Place, Apt. 5, Pittsburgh, PA 15213, 412-688-0803

Mr. Ying Xin Zhang, 106F Eagle Heights, Madison, WI, Tel#(608)233-1095

Mr.  Zhidong Wang.  701 4th Street North, #316, Fargo, ND 58102, (701) 293-9148
Co-signed: Mrs. Min Cao
Co-signed: Din Wang (son)

Zhidong Charlie Wang, NDSU Computer Science, Fargo, North Dakota, e-mail address: zhidong@plains.nodak.edu            
Mr. Zheng, Siding, 2410 14th St. #4, Lubbock, TX 79401, 806-762-0460
Co-signed  Ms. Sheng,Xinjun
Co-signed  Ms. Zheng,Bing

Dr. Nianhe Han, 4760 Conrad Avenue, Apt#237, San Diego, CA 92117,
	Phone: 619-627-0868 (home), 619-554-9099 (office)
Co-signed: Ms. Jing Gao

Ms.wang xiaoyun, 1258 36th street, brooklyn, NY11218 tel:718-853-4799
Co-signed spouse: Niu Dayong (lad with j-1, waiver of 2 years)
Co-signed friend: Ding Ke-xun
Co-signed friend: Zhang hua
Co-signed friend: wang puqu
Co-signed friend: li jinjin
Co-signed friend: xu shi
Co-signed friend: ding jian
Co-signed friend: chen yuguo

Mr. Qing Wang, MIT, e-mail address: qing@arctic.mit.edu

Song Han, Harvard, e-mail address: han@mbcrr.harvard.edu

Mr. Heshun Chen, e-mail address: hnchen@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
Co-signed: Ms Ruixia Zhang

Mr. Yuanchao Zhang, 1526 22nd Ave., S.F., CA 94122, Tel: 415-664-9806
Ms. Lei Zhang, 1526 22nd Ave., S.F., CA 94122, Tel: 415-664-9806

Heshun Chen, Ruixia Zhang, 577 Hawkeye Court, Iowa City, IA 52246, Tel:(319)-353-4520

Momiao Xiong, 3039 S. Shrine Pl. Apt. B14, Los Angeles, CA 90007, 213-740-2434(O) 213-765-4960(H)
Co-signed: My wife: Ping Wan
Co-signed: My son: Hao Xiong

Mr. Wang, Yanghua. 8 Ellis Dr. #4. Lawrence KS 66044, (913) 865-0641

Mr. Gangming Luo, 55-28 84th St 1FL, Elmhurst NY 11373, (718) 458-2275
Co-signed: Luo, Liming
Co-signed: Bao, Liming
 
Mr. Qici Lu, 1138 Allerton St., Kent OH 44240
Co-signed: Xueying Su ( wife )
Co-signed: Xiaoxiao Lu ( daughter )

Mr. Yuming DENG, 101 Curl Dr. #612, Columbus, OH 43210, Phone (614)293-9474

Mr. Wu Shixuan, 29-D, University Hause of UW-Madison, Madison, WI, 53705, Tel:(608)274-8092
Co-signed spouse: Ms. Zhang Guiqing,
Co-signed children: Wu Jin 
Co-signed children: Wu Ping

Ms.Ling Zhou(last name: Zhou), 1611 Laurel Ave. Apt. 1208, Knoxville. TN 37916, (615)-673-3307 (home)
Co-signed spouse: Cao Zhong
Co-signed Children: Cao Xiaoqing
Co-signed Children: Cao Xiaohong.

Mr. Wang XiQiu, 6540 Bellows Lane #1205, Houston, TX 77030, 713-799-2218

Mr. Gang Li, 700 Woodland Avenue A23, Lexington, KY 40508, 606-257-3040
Co-signed: Ms. Xuejin Xie
Co-signed: Li Yue (Son)

Mr. Liu Ningsheng, 1300 30th Street, Boulder, Colorado 80303 , Tel: (303) 786-1353
Co-signed: Ms. Cai Jun 
Co-signed: Ms. Liu Ke 

Lian Duan, 108 Moylan Ct., Folsom, CA 95630, Fel: (916) 983-2467
Co-signed by Spouse Jihong Fu
Co-signed by Child  Furui Duan

Kang Chen, 1503 Fulton Ave. #20, Sacramento, CA 95825, Tel: (916) 485-4973
Co-signed by Spouse Rong Huang
Co-Signed by Child  Sicai Chen

Mr. Yinghu Jiang, 311 S. LaSalle St. Apt. 50-Q, Durham, NC 27705, 919-286-3033
Co-signed Spouse, Ning Ma
Co-signed Child, Da Jaing

Mr. Xide ZHAO, 208 saint Thomas drive, Chapel Hill, NC 27514, Tel:(919)929-5897.
Co-signed wife: Jue YAO
Co-signed daughter: Yan ZHAO 

Mr. Yaozhi HU, 203 Saint Thomas drive, Chapel Hill, NC 27514, (919)929-7548.
Co-signed wife: Qihua LIN
Co-signed daughter: Haiwen HU

Ms. Rong LIU, 304 Saint Thomas drive, Chapel Hill, NC 27514, (919)933-3964.
Co-signed husband: Lijun XIA
Co-signed son: Ran Xia

Jianfeng Zhang, 915 SILBER #510, HOUSTON, TX 77024, 713/9578652
Cosigned: Lilin Song 

Ms. Kun Fang, 926 E.61st. ST. #2, Chicago, IL. 60637, 312-493-2624
Co-signed: Mr. Jinsong Wang

Mr. Baoshu Chen: 1300 30th Street, #D10-12, (303)786-4920.
Cosigned spouse: Xiaoling Wang.
Cosigned child: Xu Chen.

Mr. Jichun Chen, Apartment 6, 1868 Commonwealth Avenue, Brighton, MA 02135, 617-232-6969
Co-signed Ms. Jie Sun
Co-signed Xi Chen

Mr. Xue Shen Wu, 222 Willims, St. Lockland, OH 45215, (513)761-1215 
Co-signed: Ms. Xiao Mei Liu

Fangpu Gao, 461A Freer Hall, 906 S. Goodwin Ave., Urbana, IL 61801, (217)333-8561(O),(217)-337-0568 (H)

Ji Li, University of St. Thomas, 2115 Summit Ave., Mail 6601, St. Paul, MN 55105

Huang, Shixia, 1519 L Spartan village, East Lansing, MI 48823

Mr.Ce Shen, e-mail address: SHENC@bcvax1.bc.edu
Co-signed Spouse: Wenzhen Du 
Co-signed Children: Liangbi Shen
Co-signed Children: Liangyin Shen

Mr. Jia-Yin Ma, Box 325, Department of Physics, Moravian College, Bethlehem,PA 18018-6650  
	tel: (215) 882-5261 (H),(215) 861-1582 (O), maJ@moravian.edu 

Mr. Hongjun Liu, 3119 Acton Way, Roseville, CA 95678, tel: (916) 771-2519
Co-signed: Ms. Grace   Liu

Chen Xia,  2452 Kapiolani Blvd. #3, Honolulu, HI 96826 (808)942-9443   

Ni Bainan,   305 Avenue G, Apt. 5  Denton, TX76201 (817)387-8615

Zhang Jianqing, 1930 Sycamore Lane, Unit #4, Davis, CA 95616, (916)757-6232
Co-signed: Xie Ning 

Wang Fanglu, 400 Gateway plaza, Rm 3025, New York City, NY 10280, (212) 783-7602

Xuchu Que, 4063 Albatross Street, Apt 24, San Diego, CA 92103, (619)543-6146

Mr. Wensheng Sun, 715 PIIKOI ST., #306, HONOLULU, HAWAII 96814, 808-591-1120
Co-signed: Jun Feng, (wife).

Mr. Liyi Hu, 2728 Ellendale #13, LA, CA 90007, Tel. 213-731-6678
Co-signed: Mrs. Qingping Bian

Mr. Yang Xiaozhuo, Math. Dept. MSU, East Lansing MI48823
Co-signed: Mrs.Gao Ling
Co-signed: Yang Pengling (Son)

Mr. Xu-Dong Liu, 15 Washington Place, Room 4C, New York, NY 10003, 212-460-8720
Co-signed Spouse: XiaoHui Lu
Co-signed Child: FangZhou Liu

Charles Feng, IBM Corporation, 455 Park Place, Lexington, KY 40511

Mr. Dajun Xu, 1730 W. Kilbourn Ave., apt 3, Milwaukee, WI 53233

Mr. Chunlin Qian, 7320 W. Center St., apt 3, Wauwatosa, WI 53210, (414)453-8961
Co-signed Spouse: Xueling Hou 

Mr. Li Wang, 1140 Grant Street, #11, Eugene, OR 97402, 503-346-1130
Co-signed Spouse, BingLing Zhang

Qian Ke, 510 Jefferson St. #2, Hoboken, NJ 07030, 201-217-0680
Feng Xu, 510 Jefferson St. #2, Hoboken, NJ 07030, 201-217-0680
Chuan Chang, 510 Jefferson St. #2, Hoboken, NJ 07030, 201-217-0680
Yisong Zhang, 510 Jefferson St. #2, Hoboken, NJ 07030, 201-217-0680

Mingliang Chen, 48 Twin Lakes Circle 1A, Hampton, Virginia 23666, (804) 826-5155
Co-Signer: Jianhua Zhou

Mr.  Shaomin Yuan, 3001 Huntingdon ave.,  Baltimore, MD 21211, (410) 467-9206
Co-signed: Mrs Yuan

Li yuejin, 67 Frank street, #163,    Worcester, MA01604. 508-755-7410
Co-signed: Li yinyan 

JIE CHEN   2911 S. Parnell Ave., 1st FL, Chicago, IL 60616, 312-842-0014
Co-signed: Weiyu Xiong (Wife)

Wei Zhao, e-mail address: wei@aicv02.ece.uc.edu

Feng Yuan, BMB Box #13, 7 Divinity Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138, (617) 493-7135

Mr. Shiyong Lin, 430 Loma Media Rd., Santa Barbara, Cal.,93103, (805)966-3575
Co-signed Spouse: Xianwei Zhou,

Mr. Zhiliang Wu, 3715 University Way N.E. #12, Seattle, WA 98105
 
Liming Hu, 1150 N. White River Pkwy. West Drive #606, Indianapolis, IN 46222, 317-263-5522
 
Mr. Xuehua Lu, 1300, 30th St, B2-14, Boulder, CO 80303, (303)786-1562(H) (303)492-4463(O)

Mr. Bob Hsu, 75 Oxford Street, Hartford, CT 06105.  (203) 232-6764.
 
Bob Xu, E-mail address: BXU@HARTFORD.cuny.edu
Co-signed: Lisa Zheng

Mr. Yuming Deng, 101 Curl Dr. #612, Columbus, Oh 43210, Phone (614)293-9474

Zhang Feng, University of Minnesota, E-mail address: fengx004@maroon.tc.umn.edu

Ms. R. Wang,Chem at SUNY-Buffalo, Buffalo,NY, 14214

QianLi, 6709 Surreywood Lane Bethesda MD 20817
Co-sign Spouse: Fei Cheng
Co-sign Child: Xue-wei Cheng

Mr. Xiaomao Chen   910 20th Ave. Pl., #6, Coralville, IA 52241,  (319) 354-0781

Ms. Xiaoyin Zhou, 64 Francis St., Brookline, MA 02146, (617)-566-8205

Mr. Maochu Luo, 529 W111 St Apt22, New York, NY, 10025, (212)749-0952,
Co-sign Spouse: Amei Zhang
Co-sign Child: Su Luo

Wei Jia, Pleasant Grove Apt. 3B, Ithaca, NY 14850   
Co-signed: Pei Gao
Co-signed: Meng Jia

Xiaomin Si, 2540 Dole #483 Honolulu, Hi96816, Tele: 956-6529

Ms: DONGBIN FAN, 358 KENDRICK #218, LARAMIE, WY, 82070, (307)766-4794
Co-signed Spouse, HAOXIN ZHANG

Mr. Yali Peng, 2131 W 15th Ct. Eugene Or 97402, (503)342-7312
Co-sign spouse: Damei Huang
Co-sign child:  Jing Peng

Mr. Wei Lu, 5221 Verano Place, Irvine, CA 92715, (714)-856-3022
Co-signed: Ms. Yiqing Jiang 

Name: Zuyue Du, Address: Dept of Chem., Univ of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742
	E-mail Address: zuyue@wam.umd.edu.
Co-signed Spouse: Mrs. Peiyin Gou

Mr. Bo LEE, T1 Hensel Apt. J, College Station, TX 77840, /(409)846-1426
Co-signed Spouse: Jinlian CAO

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 19:55:40 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA21784); Sun, 26 Sep 93 19:55:40 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 19:55:40 CDT
Message-Id: <9309270053.AA24936@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: After receiving your approval notice
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Q&A 

Q: What should I do after receiving my approval notice?
A: Make a copy of it, along with a copy of your lads's receipt of PR 
   application, and send them to INS. Remember, your approval is the
   prerequisite for processing your lads's application for PR.

Mi Mi

 
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., An Old Mice Chasing Dog, with Mi Mi Jr.,    %
%    A kitten born in the year of mice.                       %               
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@lucerne.rice.edu         %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log and 9309lads.log              %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    lads-sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:           %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 20:13:51 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA21912); Sun, 26 Sep 93 20:13:51 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 20:13:51 CDT
Message-Id: <CMM.0.90.4.749092254.jw11@ellis.uchicago.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: jw11@midway.uchicago.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: THEBORED <jw11@midway.uchicago.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: LADS interview
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Hi everybody:

        Now that more and more people are getting their approval notices
(though I have not got mine yet), is it time that we should prepare for the
LADS interview? Please share your experiences with me or give some
suggestions to me and I would like to compile a comprehensive report to you
all. Thanks!

Jianhua Wang at the University of Chicago

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 22:29:39 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA22361); Sun, 26 Sep 93 22:29:39 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 22:29:39 CDT
Message-Id: <9309270327.AA25318@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Thank You all our dear netters!
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 



Mi Mi Sr. feels uneasy about the praises from our dear netters!
While many netters express their thanks to the LADs-Net, Mi Mi
wants to thank all the participants who made the services 
possible. Without their mutual contributions, it would
be impossible to serve the whole NetWork. Those behind scene 
hard workers are:

E-mail Addresses                      Major Contributions

Lads-Net Committee
snow@lucerne.rice.edu              -- network manager      
pei@nit.pactel.com                 -- Lads-Net initiator, sign on/off
sgu@draco.rutgers.edu              -- news & package editor    
my@math.luc.edu                    -- ditto & signature compiler
JLI@MINES.UTAH.EDU                 -- coordinator with IFCSS
zhang@asel.udel.edu                -- ditto        
hua7291@med2s0.ccny.cuny.edu       -- ditto, LCnet, Free lancer         
yhl%cmliris@harvard.harvard.edu    -- coordinator with Dr.Zhao Haiching     
shengj@acf2.nyu.edu                -- discussion
cheng@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu     -- miscellaneous

Non Committee Members:

Chengchi Wang <ccwang@brahms.udel.edu> 
(English Major, helped with the petition letter)

hee@acf2.nyu.edu (Enhua He, NYU) 
cliu@wuecon.wustl.edu (Chengyan Liu, Washington Univ.St. Louis) 
Contributed to our petition letter                 

CND-US and CCF Editors

Of course there are many other people especially IFCSS HQ
and IFCSS Council members who also helped us a lot.

Our work, however, is far from flawless. Wrong messages, 
junk mails, etc. Without our netters tolerance, we can not
stay here one day longer. 

Let's express our LADs-Net netters' sincerely thanks to them 
all.

Mi Mi

                      
                                          
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., An Old Mice Chasing Dog, with Mi Mi Jr.,    %
%    A kitten born in the year of mice.                       %               
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@lucerne.rice.edu         %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log and 9309lads.log              %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    lads-sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:           %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Sep 26 22:50:44 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA22493); Sun, 26 Sep 93 22:50:44 CDT
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 22:50:44 CDT
Message-Id: <23092622475368@vms3.macc.wisc.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: YSU@lidar.meteor.wisc.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: YSU@lidar.meteor.wisc.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Dear Editor:

I would like to share the following message with the netters.

"In the evening of 9/24, I called INS Lincoln Center to ask the status
of my application. The answering machine said the information was not 
available. But this morning I received the approval (the date was Sept.
22 and the priority date: July 1, 1993) letter from them by mail.
Now, except the preparation for going to INS Milwaukee Office 2 weeks
from now, I'm still worrying for my LADs although they have sent their
applications in August. Any advices and suggestions are very appreciated.
My E-mail address is: ysu@lidar.meteor.wisc.edu
By the way, I'd like to express my many thanks to the LAD-net editors,
especially Mi Mi, for their so much work and great contributions.
Good lucky to everybody!"      

Sincerely,
Y. SU

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 27 09:12:31 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA24503); Mon, 27 Sep 93 09:12:31 CDT
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 09:12:31 CDT
Message-Id: <9309271410.AA27952@eng.auburn.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: tan@eng.auburn.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Hong Tan <tan@eng.auburn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re: Question
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

A friend of mine told me that principals do not need to do anything for their
LAD's if I-485's were filed. His lawyer said the earliest interviews may be 
conducted in November. Local INS offices have the right to waive these
interviews.

Hong Tan
AU

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 27 09:39:42 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA24585); Mon, 27 Sep 93 09:39:42 CDT
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 09:39:42 CDT
Message-Id: <9309271437.AA26642@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Q&A: (update on September 27, 1993)
 
Q: Is there any time windows for lads?                
 
A: It depends what category you are talking about, and what 
   kind of lads you are dealing with.
   
   For EB-3, there is a time window. Unless the priority date
   for this particular month is current, or the priority date
   is later than your own priority date, you can not apply.
   Since September's priority date is current, so every CSPA
   principal can apply EB-3 for their lads. Next month, however,
   the priority date has rolled back to July 1. So if your 
   priority date is, say, August 1, then you must wait in 
   October. So it is highly recommended you file ASAP in 
   September.
 
   For FB-2, there is no time window. Once you get your approval
   notice, you can apply for your lads. The date INS receives 
   your application, is the priority date for your lads. So it 
   is highly recommended you file ASAP once you receive your
   approval notice.
 
   You can chose which category to use, either EB-3 or FB-2 or both
   of them. There is no penalty for doing this, except to your wallets.
   It is up to you to chose which category to apply, and it is up to 
   INS to determine for which category you are eligible. So it is 
   possible that by doing both, your lads will get two priority dates.
   Of course your lads can only be approved once, but they may have 
   two choices.

   For lads in US, we have DED and Non-DED lads. DED lads 
   problem has not been fully solved. Some INS local offices
   accept DED lads application, some do not. This is quite
   complicated. For Non-DED, you can file in September, since
   it is current. For those principals with approval notices
   saying their priority date is July 1, Mi Mi believes they
   can still file in October. But if there is no particular
   reason to wait a while, why not do it NOW? You are not 
   required to submit a complete package when you file.
 
   For lads in China, it is different. You can file I-824 for
   them once you get your approval notice. But who knows how
   long they have to wait inside China to be granted a visa?   
   If you managed to obtain nonimmigration visas for them, just
   let them come here. If the EB-3 window is open, apply for 
   EB-3 for them. If it is closed, then apply FB-2. Actually 
   you can file both simultaneously. It does not hurt (except
   your wallet).
   
   Our world quota campaign, can save lads in many ways. It
   can cut off the waiting time both in China and in U.S., and
   save China's quotas for late-arriving-students. Since there
   is no ceiling for us (the projected 25,000 for 1994 was 
   totally groundless, according to the telephone conversation
   between Mi Mi and IFCSS HQ official), it is quite possible
   a huge chunk of 94's world-wide EB-3 will be wasted. So the 
   chance for us is quite good: since we are not hurting anybody
   by using that leftover up, we will not have much resistance.
   The only problem is, how we can organize ourselves and launch
   a successful campaign to grasp that opportunity. Think about
   this!
 
 
Mi Mi Sr.
Member of Lads-Net Committee
 

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 27 10:07:28 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA24654); Mon, 27 Sep 93 10:07:28 CDT
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 10:07:28 CDT
Message-Id: <9309271504.AA25220@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: l0p1697@tamsun.tamu.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Luqi Pei  <l0p1697@tamsun.tamu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Visit INS after receiving approval notice
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Dear Netters,

     Here is a littlie information on what you do after you
receive your approve notice.

     You don't heve to wait for 14 days to go local INS for your
finger prints.  You can visit your local INS office as soon as
you get your approval notice.  I find this out by chance.  

     I received my approval notice on 9-24-93 (approval date 9-
20-94). I took it to San Antonio INS along with my documents. 
Basically I tried to turn in the copy of my approval notice to
them to complete my son's application.  My wife did not go with
me (she received her approvel early, but not enough for 14 days). 
The INS officer asked me to do my finger prints to finish I-89
(?) form.  I raised questions about it because I thought I could
not meet their time requirement.  Her answer was that it was
perfectly OK to do it now.  She took back that I-797 form and
handed me a receipt.  She told me that I should take my wife with
me so she could do her finger print too.

     Since you have to visit INS anyway.  Why not go your INS
office and hand them your approval notice.  That may same time
and avoid unnecessary guesses.

     Be prepared to carry all document with you when you visit
INS office.  Bring 2 photoes if you already have them with you.
That may save you trouble and seveal bucks.

Luqi Pei


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 27 10:46:58 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA24769); Mon, 27 Sep 93 10:46:58 CDT
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 10:46:57 CDT
Message-Id: <199309271543.AA28725@nicnext.life.uiuc.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: Zuojun_Cao@qms1.life.uiuc.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: "Zuojun Cao" <Zuojun_Cao@qms1.life.uiuc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Form I-151 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

 BatSubject:     Form I-151                             9/27/93    10:38 AM
Hi!

>From I-151 or I-551 is required to file Form I-130, which is the petition form
for anybody applying for his adult children. Does anyone knows what exactly
I-151 is? Is it the same as  the approval letter?




From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 27 11:26:16 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA24879); Mon, 27 Sep 93 11:26:16 CDT
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 11:26:16 CDT
Message-Id: <9309271623.AA26929@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Address change
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

/   Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:09:22 -0500 (CDT)
/   From: Y0H3274@VENUS.TAMU.EDU
/

/   Hi, Mi Mi,
/       Thank you for all the information and hard work during past several 
/   monthes. But sometime there is something bother me, today I open my e-mail 
/   and find the following mail had been mailed to me for five times and also
/   some other mails from your account. I guess there must be some thing wrong,
/   isn't it? thanks for you time.

/   yh

=============================================================================

Hi, you were right. We had some trouble last weekend. Jun Wu turn off the list
for a quite long period or there was some problem with the list, and we
committee members thought we did not send the message at all since there was
no response. Also I was trying my new e-mail software, and was confused with
it. Sorry for the inconvenience.



%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., An Old Mice Chasing Dog, with Mi Mi Jr.,    %
%    A kitten born in the year of mice.                       %               
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@lucerne.rice.edu         %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log and 9309lads.log              %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    lads-sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:           %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 27 11:32:30 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA24914); Mon, 27 Sep 93 11:32:30 CDT
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 11:32:30 CDT
Message-Id: <MAILQUEUE-101.930927112820.448@ahabs.wisc.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: ming@zeus.ahabs.wisc.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: "Ding Ming"  <ming@zeus.ahabs.wisc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject:  revisit INS, what's for?
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi, fellows,

we were requested to visit local INS for I-89 when we got the application 
receipts and we did that more than a month ago. Now we got the approval 
notices and once again, we are requested to go to the lacal INS office again 
for so called"final processing". Does anyone know what this is for?

ming

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 27 12:15:36 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA25078); Mon, 27 Sep 93 12:15:36 CDT
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 12:15:36 CDT
Message-Id: <9309271713.AA27105@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: [jsun@sunhp.msrc.sunysb.edu: Re:]
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 12:57:40 -0400 (EDT)
>From: jsun@sunhp.msrc.sunysb.edu (Jianguo Sun)
Subject: Re:
To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT

I got approval receipt this morning, however, to my suprise, my priority is
July 14 and class is EC6. I mailed my application on June 30, and return
receipt said that Eastern Center received my application on about 11 a.m.
July 1st. Does anyone has same situation as me? Since my wife is lad, this
means that my July 14 priority seriously affects my wife's application.

Any suggestion of what I should do would be greatly appreciated.

If this message is not posted in Lads netter, please post it for me.

Thanks in advance.

Jianguo


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 27 16:34:25 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA25581); Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:34:25 CDT
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:34:25 CDT
Message-Id: <9309272131.AA27963@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

BABYL OPTIONS:
Version: 5
Labels:
Note:   This is the header of an rmail file.
Note:   If you are seeing it in rmail,
Note:    it means the file has no messages in it.

1, forwarded, edited,,
Received: from  ([127.0.0.1]) by ifcss.org (4.1/IFCSS-Mailer)
	id AA19012; Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:20:39 CDT
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:20:38 CDT
Errors-To: "|cat >> /dev/null"@ifcss.org
Message-Id: <199309272034.AA19551@rac3.wam.umd.edu>
Comment:  IFCSS Personal Broadcasting System
Originator: pbs-l@ifcss.org
Errors-To: hq@ifcss.org
Reply-To: <pbs-l@ifcss.org>
Sender: pbs-l@ifcss.org
Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas
>From: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@wam.umd.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <pbs-l@ifcss.org>
Subject: IFCSS Update on the CSPA Approval

*** EOOH ***

**************************************************************
The IFCSS HQ News Release No. 5062      Sept. 27, 1993
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu

                     Update on CSPA Approval
                     =======================

    Today, Shi Heping, IFCSS V.P., called INS Headquarters and
obtained the following update information:

          Applications Received         Applications Approved
N. Center      11,531                        7,738
W. Center      10,509                        1,272
E. Center      22,456                       10,811
S. Center       8,156                        6,920

     The service centers have been working overtime and at
weekends. INS is optimistic about using up the 45,000 numbers by
the end of this month.

     From February when we first met with INS, we have been trying
every way possible to ensure that we will be able to use up the
45,000 numbers. We will continue to monitor the situation closely
until the last eligible person has got his application approved.
Meanwhile, we wish to emphasize that it is not our ultimate goal to
get green cards; IFCSS has a long way to go in protecting your
interests and promoting human rights in China. It is your duty to
continue to support the organization. If you want to make a
donation to IFCSS, you can send it to the familiar address. You are
also encouraged to contribute to IFCSS June 4th Foundation. If each
of us donates $10 to the foundation, we will have over $400,000 for
the victims of the June 4th. Remember some have been permanently
disabled and many have been sentenced to as long as 20 years.
Imagine what a life they would be living without our help. You can
make a difference.


*********************************************************************
*                 IFCSS Headquarters Office                         *
*-------------------------------------------------------------------*
* President:      Lin Changsheng        Vice President:  Shi Heping * 
*-------------------------------------------------------------------*
* PBS-L is IFCSS's news distribution list for individuals. To sign  *
* on or off from the list, please send email to listserv@ifcss.org  *
* leave the subject line open and put in the mail body:             *
*    (For signing on)      sub PBS-L last name first name           *
*    (For signing off)     unsub PBS-L last name first name         *
* For more information about IFCSS, write to ifcss-info@ifcss.org   *
*********************************************************************




From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 27 16:51:56 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA25643); Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:51:56 CDT
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:51:56 CDT
Message-Id: <9309272149.AA28018@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Over 50% principals have been approved! 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


According to IFCSS HQ, over 50% principals have been approved by now.
The break down figures are:

          Applications Received         Applications Approved
N. Center      11,531                        7,738
W. Center      10,509                        1,272
E. Center      22,456                       10,811
S. Center       8,156                        6,920

total          52,652                       26,741

Since there will be comparable number of visas available next year, it 
will be perfectely possible for us to concentrate on the lads world
quota issue. Do not wast the 94's leftover visas! We have plenty of lads
to use that up! (do we?)

Mi Mi 



%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., An Old Mice Chasing Dog, with Mi Mi Jr.,    %
%    A kitten born in the year of mice.                       %               
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@lucerne.rice.edu         %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log and 9309lads.log              %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    lads-sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:           %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 27 17:05:46 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA25703); Mon, 27 Sep 93 17:05:46 CDT
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 17:05:46 CDT
Message-Id: <9309272205.AA05962@lucerne.rice.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: snow@lucerne.rice.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Jun Wu <snow@lucerne.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: A reminder
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Just a reminder. Please check your emails often to make sure your
account works OK.

I've got over 200 bounced emails a day due to delievery errors. I will
begin to delete those accounts which bounced more than 15 emails. Lots of
them are due to insufficent disk quotas. Please make sure you have enough
space to store your incoming mails.

Also, signon requests posted to lads@lucerne will NOT be answered. Same
for signoff requests. When you tell your friends about LADnet. Make sure
you tell them how to subscribe. This is to discourage junk emails to
LADnet. If I continue to add users to LADnet upon receiving their
posts to LADnet, I will be encouraging such activities. Same principle
applies for hostage and hijack conditions. :-)



Jun
-- 
                                 ^-^    Owlnet
                                (O O)   School of Engineering Network
                                ( v )
       o o o o o o . . .    __=--m-m--=_T__ ____======_T__ ____========_T_____
     o      _____          ||             | |            | |               |
   .][__n_n_|DD[  ====____  |   Jun  Wu   | |  ECE Rice  | | Snow@Rice.EDU | |
  >(________|__|_[________]_|_____________|_|____________|_|_______________|_|
 __/oo OOOOO oo`  ooo  ooo  'o^o       o^o` 'o^o      o^o` 'o^o         o^o`

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 27 19:43:57 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA26038); Mon, 27 Sep 93 19:43:57 CDT
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 19:43:57 CDT
Message-Id: <5539451@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: Donglin.Mi@dartmouth.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Donglin.Mi@dartmouth.edu (Donglin Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: ? and I-551
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi, folks:

I am CSPA principal and got the approval notice last week. My wife is a lad
and filed her application for a PR through EB3 in the beginning of August.
Today we went the Boston INS and wanted to make sure if her application is
going to be processed and when she will be notified. It seemed that they did
not have more idea about those. We were just told that we would got something
fron INS in 90 days. 

Does anyone have an idea about those? Is a lad going to be assigned an A#
after the principal has got the approval noptice? 

Anyone who got the approval notice can ask INS to put a stamp on her/his
passport. The stamp will be a temporary greencard. The process is so called
I-551.
 
Good luck.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Sep 27 23:56:14 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA26760); Mon, 27 Sep 93 23:56:14 CDT
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 23:56:14 CDT
Message-Id: <9309280453.AA29074@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Q&A: (update on September 27, 1993)
 
Q: Is there any time windows for lads?                
 
A: It depends what category you are talking about, and what 
   kind of lads you are dealing with.
   
   For EB-3, there is a time window. Unless the priority date
   for this particular month is current, or the priority date
   is later than your own priority date, you can not apply.
   Since September's priority date is current, so every CSPA
   principal can apply EB-3 for their lads. Next month, however,
   the priority date has rolled back to July 1. So if your 
   priority date is, say, August 1, then you must wait in 
   October. So it is highly recommended you file ASAP in 
   September.
 
   For FB-2, there is no time window. Once you get your approval
   notice, you can apply for your lads. The date INS receives 
   your application, is the priority date for your lads. So it 
   is highly recommended you file ASAP once you receive your
   approval notice.
 
   For lads in US, we have DED and Non-DED lads. DED lads 
   problem has not been fully solved. Some INS local offices
   accept DED lads application, some do not. This is quite
   complicated. For Non-DED, you can file in September, since
   it is current. For those principals with approval notices
   saying their priority date is July 1, Mi Mi believes they
   can still file in October. But if there is no particular
   reason to wait a while, why not do it NOW? You are not 
   required to submit a complete package when you file.

 
   For lads in China, it is different. You can file I-824 for
   them once you get your approval notice. But who knows how
   long they have to wait inside China to be granted a visa?   
   If you managed to obtain nonimmigration visas for them, just
   let them come here. 

Q: Can I chose which category to use?    

A: You can choose whichever category to use, either EB-3 or FB-2 or both
   of them. There is no penalty for doing both, except to your wallets.
   It is up to you to choose which category to apply, and it is up to 
   INS to determine for which category you are eligible. So it is 
   possible that by doing both, your lads will get two priority dates.
   Of course your lads can only be approved once, but they may have 
   two chances.

Q: What shall I do when I get my approval notice? 

A: Make a copy of it and a copy of your lads' I-485 receipt notice,
   and mail them or hand them in to the INS office which takes care
   of your lads' I-485 application. Remember your approval is the
   prerequisite for your lads' eligibility for PR. It will be 
   ridiculous that your lads get approved while you are rejected!
 
Q: What is the usefulness of our Lads-Net World-Quota-Campaign?

A: Our world quota campaign, can save lads in many ways. It
   can cut off the waiting time both in China and in U.S., and
   save China's quotas for late-arriving-students. Since there
   is no ceiling for us (the projected 25,000 for 1994 was 
   totally groundless, according to the telephone conversation
   between Mi Mi and IFCSS HQ official), it is quite possible
   a huge chunk of 94's world-wide EB-3 will be wasted. So the 
   chance for us is quite good: since we are not hurting anybody
   by using that leftover up, we will not have much resistance.
   The only problem is, how we can organize ourselves and launch
   a successful campaign to grasp that opportunity. Think about
   this!
 
Q: What is the progress of our Lads-Net petition campaign?

A: Up to September 26, we have collected 1,564 signatures. We are sending
   our petition letters in waves to the six U.S. Government and 
   Congressional officials. Up to now, Mi Mi Sr. has sent two waves of 
   letters: one with 524, and one with 510 signatures respectively. The 
   third round will be sent out as soon as Mi Mi gets enough paper for
   his laser-printer. Each letter takes approximately 20 pages, and each
   fax takes about 23 minutes. 

   Other members of the committee also sent their copies of collective 
   petition letters carrying the signatures from the net, and some netters
   have sent their individual versions. Mi Mi has not checked how many 
   have been sent. Those who did it please drop a line to 
   petition@spike.rice.edu.

   Mi Mi has not received any response from U.S. Government or Congressional 
   officials. We have to push them all the way to the solution. So please 
   help us to collect more and more signatures, and keep the pressure on.
   Remember to lobby means money, lots of momey. We LADs-Net Committee
   do not have any. So the only feasible way to push LADs related issue, 
   is to write petition letters. If we do not do it, no one does. Of course
   IFCSS and NCCA are still working, but the LADs are yours, you should 
   worry more!
 
Mi Mi Sr.
Member of Lads-Net Committee
   
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., An Old Mice Chasing Dog, with Mi Mi Jr.,    %
%    A kitten born in the year of mice.                       %               
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@lucerne.rice.edu         %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log and 9309lads.log              %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    lads-sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:           %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 00:10:23 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA26873); Tue, 28 Sep 93 00:10:23 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 00:10:23 CDT
Message-Id: <9309280509.AA26862@spike.rice.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: UCX_SMTP@omsdev
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: UCX_SMTP@omsdev
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


---- Transcript of session follows ----

%MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user LEIQI-MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening !AS as output-RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed-SYSTEM-W-HEADERFULL, file header is full

---- Recipients of this delivery ----

leiqi@omsdev.ims.bellcore.com (bounced)


---- Unsent message follows ----

Received: from breeze.bellcore.com (breeze-fddi.bellcore.com) by oscar.ims.bellcore.com with SMTP id AA21033
  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <leiqi@omsdev.ims.bellcore.com>); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 01:01:29 -0400
Received: from moe.rice.edu by breeze.bellcore.com (5.61/1.34)
	id AA24781; Tue, 28 Sep 93 01:07:33 -0400
Received: from spike.rice.edu by moe.rice.edu (AA27975); Mon, 27 Sep 93 23:57:05 CDT
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA26760); Mon, 27 Sep 93 23:56:14 CDT
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 23:56:14 CDT
Message-Id: <9309280453.AA29074@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
>From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Q&A: (update on September 27, 1993)
 
Q: Is there any time windows for lads?                
 
A: It depends what category you are talking about, and what 
   kind of lads you are dealing with.
   
   For EB-3, there is a time window. Unless the priority date
   for this particular month is current, or the priority date
   is later than your own priority date, you can not apply.
   Since September's priority date is current, so every CSPA
   principal can apply EB-3 for their lads. Next month, however,
   the priority date has rolled back to July 1. So if your 
   priority date is, say, August 1, then you must wait in 
   October. So it is highly recommended you file ASAP in 
   September.
 
   For FB-2, there is no time window. Once you get your approval
   notice, you can apply for your lads. The date INS receives 
   your application, is the priority date for your lads. So it 
   is highly recommended you file ASAP once you receive your
   approval notice.
 
   For lads in US, we have DED and Non-DED lads. DED lads 
   problem has not been fully solved. Some INS local offices
   accept DED lads application, some do not. This is quite
   complicated. For Non-DED, you can file in September, since
   it is current. For those principals with approval notices
   saying their priority date is July 1, Mi Mi believes they
   can still file in October. But if there is no particular
   reason to wait a while, why not do it NOW? You are not 
   required to submit a complete package when you file.

 
   For lads in China, it is different. You can file I-824 for
   them once you get your approval notice. But who knows how
   long they have to wait inside China to be granted a visa?   
   If you managed to obtain nonimmigration visas for them, just
   let them come here. 

Q: Can I chose which category to use?    

A: You can choose whichever category to use, either EB-3 or FB-2 or both
   of them. There is no penalty for doing both, except to your wallets.
   It is up to you to choose which category to apply, and it is up to 
   INS to determine for which category you are eligible. So it is 
   possible that by doing both, your lads will get two priority dates.
   Of course your lads can only be approved once, but they may have 
   two chances.

Q: What shall I do when I get my approval notice? 

A: Make a copy of it and a copy of your lads' I-485 receipt notice,
   and mail them or hand them in to the INS office which takes care
   of your lads' I-485 application. Remember your approval is the
   prerequisite for your lads' eligibility for PR. It will be 
   ridiculous that your lads get approved while you are rejected!
 
Q: What is the usefulness of our Lads-Net World-Quota-Campaign?

A: Our world quota campaign, can save lads in many ways. It
   can cut off the waiting time both in China and in U.S., and
   save China's quotas for late-arriving-students. Since there
   is no ceiling for us (the projected 25,000 for 1994 was 
   totally groundless, according to the telephone conversation
   between Mi Mi and IFCSS HQ official), it is quite possible
   a huge chunk of 94's world-wide EB-3 will be wasted. So the 
   chance for us is quite good: since we are not hurting anybody
   by using that leftover up, we will not have much resistance.
   The only problem is, how we can organize ourselves and launch
   a successful campaign to grasp that opportunity. Think about
   this!
 
Q: What is the progress of our Lads-Net petition campaign?

A: Up to September 26, we have collected 1,564 signatures. We are sending
   our petition letters in waves to the six U.S. Government and 
   Congressional officials. Up to now, Mi Mi Sr. has sent two waves of 
   letters: one with 524, and one with 510 signatures respectively. The 
   third round will be sent out as soon as Mi Mi gets enough paper for
   his laser-printer. Each letter takes approximately 20 pages, and each
   fax takes about 23 minutes. 

   Other members of the committee also sent their copies of collective 
   petition letters carrying the signatures from the net, and some netters
   have sent their individual versions. Mi Mi has not checked how many 
   have been sent. Those who did it please drop a line to 
   petition@spike.rice.edu.

   Mi Mi has not received any response from U.S. Government or Congressional 
   officials. We have to push them all the way to the solution. So please 
   help us to collect more and more signatures, and keep the pressure on.
   Remember to lobby means money, lots of momey. We LADs-Net Committee
   do not have any. So the only feasible way to push LADs related issue, 
   is to write petition letters. If we do not do it, no one does. Of course
   IFCSS and NCCA are still working, but the LADs are yours, you should 
   worry more!
 
Mi Mi Sr.
Member of Lads-Net Committee
   
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., An Old Mice Chasing Dog, with Mi Mi Jr.,    %
%    A kitten born in the year of mice.                       %               
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@lucerne.rice.edu         %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log and 9309lads.log              %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    lads-sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:           %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 00:56:39 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA00471); Tue, 28 Sep 93 00:56:39 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 00:56:39 CDT
Message-Id: <9309280556.AA07188@lucerne.rice.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: snow@lucerne.rice.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Jun Wu <snow@lucerne.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: changes to listserv
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi, netters,
	Since some stupid machines are sending bounced emails to 
posting address despite the "Error-To" field in mail header from listserv,
junks can leak into LADnet distribution. To avoid these junk emails,
I turned on subscription checking. This means you can ONLY post from
the account which you used to subscribe to LADnet. You will receive
a reject notice if you post from another account.
	I don't want to restrict anything. But you need to understand
that we have to avoid those stupid messages from ill-configed machines.
I know those system managers should be fired but I am not the boss...



Jun


-- 
                                 ^-^    Owlnet
                                (O O)   School of Engineering Network
                                ( v )
       o o o o o o . . .    __=--m-m--=_T__ ____======_T__ ____========_T_____
     o      _____          ||             | |            | |               |
   .][__n_n_|DD[  ====____  |   Jun  Wu   | |  ECE Rice  | | Snow@Rice.EDU | |
  >(________|__|_[________]_|_____________|_|____________|_|_______________|_|
 __/oo OOOOO oo`  ooo  ooo  'o^o       o^o` 'o^o      o^o` 'o^o         o^o`

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 10:57:19 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA02347); Tue, 28 Sep 93 10:57:19 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 10:57:19 CDT
Message-Id: <9309281553.AA22890@halfog.asrc.albany.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: qing@halfog.asrc.albany.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: qing@halfog.asrc.albany.edu (qing)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

FYI:

I received my approval notice yesterday and went to the local INS
to see if they need the notice for processing my husband's application
(He came after 4/11 and submitted his application to local INS in
August). To our great surprise, they gave both of us an approval stamp on the
passport with a few simple questions for my husband, and said to him:"
As of today, you become a US permanent resident".

Is it this easy in other places?

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 11:04:53 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA02412); Tue, 28 Sep 93 11:04:53 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 11:04:52 CDT
Message-Id: <01H3H9NSUQ42BXJ8V1@tntech.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: BH1107@tntech.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: BH1107@tntech.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Temporary GC
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi, there:
	We just went to INS Memphis office do the final processing for my
husband's GC yesterday. It was 1 min to finish the whole thing. They dealt 
my husband's case immediately after we came. A officer took the original
Form I-94 from his passport, put a stamp on his passport and made a finger 
print from him. Then he said: Now your are permanent resident in U.S.A. 
You can travel to any where you want without a advanced approval.The stamp 
on my husband's passport is as a temporary GC before he receive agreen card. 
The stamp is availible for six month.
	It is very simply. Remember bring your passport and I-94.

Good luck to every one!


BH
9/28/93

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 11:49:17 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA02624); Tue, 28 Sep 93 11:49:17 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 11:49:17 CDT
Message-Id: <9309281645.AA23039@halfog.asrc.albany.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: qing@halfog.asrc.albany.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: qing@halfog.asrc.albany.edu (qing)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: We are in Albany New York  Re: Lad got approved
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Hi, besides my husband, there are a few LADs also got approved before us
the same day.
Good luck everyone.

Qing Gong.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 12:11:53 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA02769); Tue, 28 Sep 93 12:11:53 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 12:11:53 CDT
Message-Id: <9309281708.AA06678@gauss.ece.ukans.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: yliu@gauss.ece.ukans.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: yliu@gauss.ece.ukans.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Lads Approved?
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi, I heard that the standard procedure was that the INS began to process the
lads' applications after they receive a copy of the approval notice. How come
so many lads got approved right away?  Did the INS even look at the application?
Are they supposed to send out a schedule of interview?  Maybe I should also
go down to the office and try my luck.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 14:46:44 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03118); Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:46:44 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:46:44 CDT
Message-Id: <9309281943.AA20395@skinner.cs.uoregon.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: leanne@skinner.cs.uoregon.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Lingyan Kong <leanne@skinner.cs.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: approval notice
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


	Has anyone sent his/her application for PR after priority day and
gotten an approval notice yet ? Thanks for responding the question.

L.Y.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 14:54:02 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03192); Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:54:02 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:54:02 CDT
Message-Id: <9309281943.AA26827@physunc.phy.uc.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: nerian@physunc.phy.uc.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: nerian@physunc.phy.uc.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: A# changed?
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

----------
X-Sun-Data-Type: default
X-Sun-Data-Description: default
X-Sun-Data-Name: .article
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 12

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: A# changed in CSPA approval notice?
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: na
Keywords: 

	The A# in my approval notice is not the same as the one
in my receipt notice. Has this happened to anyone else? Did the INS
do this on purpose or by mistake?

Ri-an

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 14:57:36 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03261); Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:57:36 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:57:36 CDT
Message-Id: <9309281944.AA26830@physunc.phy.uc.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: nerian@physunc.phy.uc.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: nerian@physunc.phy.uc.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

	The A# in my approval notice is not the same as the one
in my receipt notice. Has this happened to anyone else? Did the INS
do this on purpose or by mistake?

Ri-an


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 15:04:08 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03324); Tue, 28 Sep 93 15:04:08 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 15:04:08 CDT
Message-Id: <9309282001.AA20591@skinner.cs.uoregon.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: leanne@skinner.cs.uoregon.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Lingyan Kong <leanne@skinner.cs.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: approval notice
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


        Has anyone sent his/her application for PR after priority day and
gotten an approval notice yet ? Thanks for responding the question.

L.Y.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 15:49:11 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03478); Tue, 28 Sep 93 15:49:11 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 15:49:11 CDT
Message-Id: <9309282045.AA01565@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 



A mistake, I think.

   Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 15:00:28 CDT
   Reply-To: nerian@physunc.phy.uc.edu
   Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
   Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
   Precedence: bulk
   From: nerian@physunc.phy.uc.edu
   X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
   X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

	   The A# in my approval notice is not the same as the one
   in my receipt notice. Has this happened to anyone else? Did the INS
   do this on purpose or by mistake?

   Ri-an


Mi Mi

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., An Old Mice Chasing Dog, with Mi Mi Jr.,    %
%    A kitten born in the year of mice.                       %               
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@lucerne.rice.edu         %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log and 9309lads.log              %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    lads-sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:           %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 16:05:22 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03552); Tue, 28 Sep 93 16:05:22 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 16:05:22 CDT
Message-Id: <9309282056.AA03359@civilgate.ce.uiuc.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: mtang@civilgate.ce.uiuc.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: mtang@civilgate.ce.uiuc.edu (Ming Tang)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re:  A# changed?
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

	From lads-l@spike.rice.edu Tue Sep 28 14:51:40 1993
	Received: by civilgate.ce.uiuc.edu ( 5.52 (84)/9.7)
		id AA09100; Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:51:30 CDT
	Received: from spike.rice.edu by moe.rice.edu (AA09560); Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:52:55 CDT
	Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03215); Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:54:39 CDT
	Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:54:39 CDT
	Message-Id: <9309281943.AA26827@physunc.phy.uc.edu>
	Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
	Reply-To: nerian@physunc.phy.uc.edu
	Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
	Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
	Precedence: bulk
	From: nerian@physunc.phy.uc.edu
	To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
	Subject: A# changed?
	X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
	X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 
	
	----------
	X-Sun-Data-Type: default
	X-Sun-Data-Description: default
	X-Sun-Data-Name: .article
	X-Sun-Content-Lines: 12
	
	Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
	Subject: A# changed in CSPA approval notice?
	Summary: 
	Followup-To: 
	Distribution: na
	Keywords: 
	
		The A# in my approval notice is not the same as the one
	in my receipt notice. Has this happened to anyone else? Did the INS
	do this on purpose or by mistake?
	
	Ri-an
	

You need to contact either your local INS office or regional INS service
center. Most likely it happened by mistake.


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 19:53:01 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA00636); Tue, 28 Sep 93 19:53:01 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 19:53:01 CDT
Message-Id: <9309290044.AA10020@cse.unl.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hong@cse.unl.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hong@cse.unl.edu (Dawei Hong)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: information about the nothern center II
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Hello, everyone, the Northern Service Center keeps a very
efficiency on processing CSPA principles. There are even
some ones who got approved on last Sat.. While, the written
notices come out slower. So, be patient in case when
waiting for your approval notice.

Good Luck.


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 20:42:22 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA00833); Tue, 28 Sep 93 20:42:22 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 20:42:22 CDT
Message-Id: <23092820391919@vms3.macc.wisc.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: YSU@lidar.meteor.wisc.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: YSU@lidar.meteor.wisc.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi, netters:

It will be appreciated if the following questions could be responded.

1. Is the "EC6" a new category especially for CSPA 1992? I found FB 
1-4 and EB 1-5 only so far.

2. Some netters reported both of principals and their LADs got their
temporary GCs. Are there more cases like this happened in other INS
local Centers, especially in Milwaukee?

3. Several netters reported they got temporary GCs from the local INS
Centers before the 14 days from the date of their approval. Could you
provide the situation about this in INS Milwaukee Center?  If so, 
could I bring my LADs' passports and I-94s there instead of themselves?

4. The approval notice asked me to bring "evidence of identity" to the
local INS Center for final processing. Does that mean passport, I-94, 
driver licence, birth certification, photoes, SSN card, etc.?

My E-mail address is: ysu@lidar.meteor.wisc.edu

Good lucky to all!      

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 22:15:12 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA01207); Tue, 28 Sep 93 22:15:12 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 22:15:12 CDT
Message-Id: <9309290312.AA20263@student5.cl.msu.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: zhangsha@student.msu.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Shangqian Zhang <zhangsha@student.msu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: "Out of Status" LADS accepted at Detroit
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

This morning my friend and I brought our families to Detroit INS. Both of us
were J-1 expired before July 1st, 1993 and not applied for DED, but got a Stamp
on principal's I-94 (It says "EMPLOYMENT aUTHORIZED THRU Jan 1, 1994"). Both of
us get our lads accepted.
    In my friten's case, he filled Current INS Status with DED-dependent and
Expires on  with 1/1/94 on form I-485. An officer acepted the applications and
granded the Employment Card immediatedly, even through the officer checked the
I-94 of my friend's wife (the expired date was march, 1993) without saying any
thing about it.
     In my case, I filled the Current Status with J-2 (DED-dependent) and
Expired on 10/15/1993. Same officer indicated that my wife and daughter are out
of status and refused to process at the begining. But finally accepted the
application and granded the labor card, after I presented my points as
following:
1. I gave her a copy of "Cable sent to the US diplomatic and concular posts by
the State Department" on April 25, 1990 (no. 90-State-132203), and pointe out
item 5 " Any PRC national who was in the United States in legal staus on or
after June 5, 1989, up to an and including April 11, 1990, wiil be considered
to have maintained LAWFUL STATUS for purposes of adjusment of status in the
United States under INA Sec. 245..........
2. I showed her my  I-94  and indicated EAT thru Jan 1,1994, then emphasized
that my lawful status should be remained until that time and as dependents, my
wife and daugher should have same status as mine, that is Lawful Status
thruough Jan. 1994.
3. The officer said she was confused by the cables from INS HQ. After
discussion with other officers, she told me that she can do the process but not
ensure the  approval of these application .

Two days to go for September Windows. Good Luck for every one.

By the way, I called Nortern Center last night and the Answer Machine said my
application have been approved on Sept. 27, 1993.





From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 22:45:45 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA01358); Tue, 28 Sep 93 22:45:45 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 22:45:45 CDT
Message-Id: <9309290342.AA03092@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: LCnet Survey
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Following is the survey posted by LCnet Working Committee.

It is very interesting to see what our LC counterparts are thinking about.
When Mi Mi learned that there will be a comparable number of visas  
available next year, and considerable world-wide quota leftover will be
wasted, he feels sorry for the incompetence of CSS community. If, we EC
and LC community can unite and push LADs into that huge world pool, then
how many troubles the LADs are facing can be avoided and how many quotas
will be saved for LC students! Only 31% of LCnetters see this approach
is a feasible way of solving the current crisis! I do not how much chance
the other more favorable approachs can stand, like lobby for unconditional
PR, work permits, etc. Well, with no money, no manpower, no urgent reasons,
anything has no CHANCE. 

Well, when most of the CSPA principals are getting their GC and  some of 
our netters are even getting GC for their LADs, this net is going to 
finish soon. When there is no lads problem, at least no lads problem for
CSS principals (undocumented lads do not have internet access, Mi Mi Sr.
believes), there is no need to set up a lads-net at all.

Thanks for your staying with us,  and glad to be able to serve you all.

Mi Mi Sr.

 

   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
   1. Survey Report
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------


      The second survey was passed out about two weeks ago within the
   LCnet (lc-l@ifcss.org). We have got 42 responses from our LC
   netters, which obviously doesn't match the fact that there are around
   1,000 netters in the mailing list. Since the support from our netters
   is necessary for us to carry on our work to serve all the LC students,
   an analysis on the feedbacks was still conducted even with such small
   samples.

      More than one half (52%) of the responsed netters are in the
   engineering background, which makes them much easier to get access to
   the internet computers than other people from non engineering back-
   grounds. The engineering students may also constitute a majority of
   our regular subscribers. The other 40% of the responses are from the
   students who are majoring in the natural science area. The rests are from
   social science and medical science areas. Almost all of the netters who
   sent back their survey answers expressed their concerns on the CSPA issues.
   Of course people care about their rights and interests. We don't see any
   reason that LCs show little interest in CSPA and its impacts.

      About 81% of the responsers are from the schools where LCs form more
   than half of the Chinese students population (ranging from half to three
   quarters). This may explain that currently the LCs are making up around
   half of the Chinese students population in many schools. So we are building
   up an innegligible force now.

      Around 57% of the people say they want to find some academic jobs after
   graduations. However, more than 78% of the responsers are willing to take
   the first job offer even if they have to go through employment-based-third-
   preference-category (EP3), which is very likely to happen to a lot of 
   foreign students who seek jobs in U.S.

     90% of the responsed netters are considering that we should lobby to bring
   some benefits to LCs. However, some of them also expressed their concerns as
   to what kind of goal or objective we will address in lobbying. 45% of the
   responsers say getting work permits is a possible goal, 31% say lobbying to 
  allocate world wide immigration quota to LADs so that the EP3 quota for China 
   will not be used by LADs. 36% of the people say lobby for their unconditional 
   stay in this country while another 19% say to increase China's employment 
   based immigration quota (since many people selected more than one choice in 
   the survey, the percentages may add up to more than 100% totally).

      As to the question of how to raise money to lobby, 76% of the people say
   that IFCSS is particially responsible for financial support. 50% think that
   we also can do fund-raising among the Chinese students communities. 19% 
   consider to raise money from all sources which is of course the best way. 
   Again almost everyone is willing to donate a reasonalbe amount of money for 
   a reasonable lobbying goal. However, the crucial point here is still the time 
   and what we shall achieve from lobbying.

      We called to set up local organizations to represent LC students. However,
   only a few of the responses showed some interests in this. 40% of the netters
   who sent back their responses say they or their friends are likely to do
   something for LC students. We believe this is understandble because most of
   the LC Chinese students are busy with their academic work. Also they don't
   see any chance at this moment of gaining some concrete benefit.

      Above is concluded only from a small sample. We think some of them may not
   represent a right situation. Again this working committee calls for your 
   support and it's still not late if you want to send your oppinions to us on 
   this survey.

   LC Working Committee

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., An Old Mice Chasing Dog, with Mi Mi Jr.,    %
%    A kitten born in the year of mice.                       %               
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@lucerne.rice.edu         %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log and 9309lads.log              %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    lads-sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:           %
% Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,Number and Street,City,State,ZipCode,phone# %
%    Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms/Miss.Name,                       %
%    Co-signed Child,  Mr/Ms/Miss.Name                        %
% You are encouraged to send your own copies of the petition  %
%    letter to the U.S. officials. When you do, please drop   %
%    a line to petition@spike.rice.edu                        %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 23:27:31 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA01502); Tue, 28 Sep 93 23:27:31 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 23:27:31 CDT
Message-Id: <01H3HUVPJX1E0051SM@ACVAX.INRE.ASU.EDU>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: AZSSL@acvax.inre.asu.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: AZSSL@acvax.inre.asu.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Message from INS Western Center
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi,
After waiting long time for approval notice, I called INS Western Center today
and the answer machine told me that my application has been approved, the approval notice has been mailed to me on Sep.25.
This is for your message only. If you want put it in the net, please let me be 
anonymous.
Thank you very much for the Lad-Committee's hard work.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep 28 23:48:39 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA01618); Tue, 28 Sep 93 23:48:39 CDT
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 23:48:39 CDT
Message-Id: <9309290447.AA08825@hippocrates.ss.uci.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: wlu@hippocrates.ss.uci.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: wlu@hippocrates.ss.uci.edu (Wei Lu)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject:  Waiting, waiting, waaaaiting ......
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


I am still waiting for my approval notice.
I got my receipt notice in July. If I tuned in my application on June 30, what my priority date do you think according to your experience?
Thank you very much for your response.


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep 29 08:06:25 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA02941); Wed, 29 Sep 93 08:06:25 CDT
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 08:06:25 CDT
Message-Id: <9309291303.AA04074@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: [guo@bach.convex.com: Re: LCnet Survey]
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

>From: guo@bach.convex.com (Yi Guo)
Subject: Re: LCnet Survey
To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 23:39:51 CDT
In-Reply-To: <9309290342.AA03092@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>; from "Mi Mi" at Sep 28, 93 10:45 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

If this doesn't go to the lads-net, please forward it for me.  Thanks!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mi Mi wrote:
--> 
--> 
--> Following is the survey posted by LCnet Working Committee.
--> 
--> ...
--> Well, when most of the CSPA principals are getting their GC and  some of 
--> our netters are even getting GC for their LADs, this net is going to 
--> finish soon. When there is no lads problem, at least no lads problem for
--> CSS principals (undocumented lads do not have internet access, Mi Mi Sr.
--> believes), there is no need to set up a lads-net at all.
--> 
    Yeh, the lads-net has served its purpose in info exchange/lobby efforts
    for the LADS application issues.  And the lads-net will not be meanful once
    all these things are settled in the coming months.
    However, it occurs to me at this moment about a group that cares/shares
    info among those who have graduated, who have left the academic, and who
    has begun the life-long efforts to be a part of the American society, not
    only as a legal resident.
    We have probably experienced the power of being a group, not an individual,
    to air the common concerns and to gain us benefits that might be slipping
    away if we don't do so.  Also, we might have realized that the Chinese
    ethnic group is not well organized/represented in the American society like
    the African-American/Hispanic ethnic groups are.  Think of the word
    "minority" used in this society, e.g. minority scholarship, etc., you will
    be amazed to find out that usually the word only means "African-American"
    and "Hispanic", not "Chinese" or "Chinese-American" as well.  This can be
    hopefully changed given the fact that the recent and ongoing trend of
    highly educated Chinese going into the American society, and that these
    Chinese have the strong desire/strong ability not only to dwell in a 
    "China Town", but also come out and become proud members of the main trend
    society.  
    IFCSS is (or will become if operated efficiently and wisely, no intention
    on discussing this into great lengths) a very good group for the Chinese
    STUDENTS/SCHOLARS here in the states.  But we lack a group (or a subgroup
    under IFCSS) to specifically address the needs/concerns of those who came
    here and into the society.  I saw this lads-net a good starting point to
    differentiate from STATUS as a student or not to a common concern
    regardless of student STATUS, but of common origin as Chinese coming to
    the states and of common concern because of the Chinese origin.   
    Maybe we can think about this and push for the establishment of a
    group in the future that represents Chinese living in this society,
    particularly the Chinese who have the different cultural background than
    the American-Born-Chinese, the Taiwan-born Chinese, or the Hongkong-born
    Chinese, etc.
    I thank the lads-net which helped a lot in the LADS application issue.  And
    I wish everyone good luck in the future. 
-- 
        Jimmy Guo                |   CONVEX Computer Corporation
        E-mail: guo@convex.com   |   3000 Waterview Parkway
        Phone : (214) 497-3120   |   P.O. Box 833851
        Fax   : (214) 497-4245   |   Richardson, TX 75083-3851, U.S.A.


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep 29 08:48:26 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03023); Wed, 29 Sep 93 08:48:26 CDT
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 08:48:26 CDT
Message-Id: <9309291345.AA04898@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: cheng@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: cheng@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: mini-survey
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

----------
X-Sun-Data-Type: text
X-Sun-Data-Description: text
X-Sun-Data-Name: text
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 54


Dear netters,

As more and more CSPA principals got their applications approved, it is 
about time to regain stream to push LAD issues. Don't wait for someone
else doing us a favor. There is still chance for us to fight our way.
Please send your responds to survey@spike.rice.edu before Oct.6, 1993.
Thank you for your attetion. Enclosed is the mini-survey.
 
1) What is your status?
        a) CSPA beneficiary without lad(s).
        b) CSPA beneficiary with lad(s).
        c) CSPA DED lad.
        d) CSPA non-DED lad.
        e) LC student.    
        f) None of the above(explain:__________________)
2) What is your purpose to join lads-net?
        a) For information only.
        b) To do something which can make a difference
        c) Just for monitoring lads-net activity.
3) What is the function of lads-net?
        a) There is no need of lads-net at all.
        b) It should only be an information sharing service.
        c) It should make effort to push forward lad issues.
4) How do you rank lads-net's information? Please give scales 
   from 0 to 10, as 10 is the best.
        a) promptness: 
        b) accuracy:
        c) fairness:
5) How do you rank lads-net's another activities? Please give 
   scales from 0 to 10, as 10 is the best.
        a) work with LCnet.
        b) work with IFCSS.
        c) work with Dr. Zhao's NCCA.
        d) work with U.S. government.
        e) petition letter drive.    
6) Do you think DED problem should be solved?
        a) No.
        b) Not concerned.
        c) Yes.
        d) Yes, but it should be solved after most of CSPA principals
                has been approved.
        e) Yes, but undocumented DED should be excluded.
7) What do you think we should do next?
        a) Nothing. No chance at all for us to achive our goal.
        b) push Dr. Zhao Haiqing to make effort.
        c) Focus on the petiton letter. Wait to see what happens.
        d) We should do more ourselves, i.e lobby.
8) If you think we should do more, you would contribute
        a) little manpower or donation.
        b) donation.
        c) manpower
        d) manpower and donation.

----------
X-Sun-Data-Type: default
X-Sun-Data-Description: default
X-Sun-Data-Name: survey
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 53

Dear netters,

As more and more CSPA principals got their applications approved, it is 
about time to regain stream to push LAD issues. Don't wait for someone
else doing us a favor. There is still chance for us to fight our way.
Please send your responds to survey@spike.rice.edu before Oct.6, 1993.
Thank you for your attetion. Enclosed is the mini-survey.
 
1) What is your status?
        a) CSPA beneficiary without lad(s).
        b) CSPA beneficiary with lad(s).
        c) CSPA DED lad.
        d) CSPA non-DED lad.
        e) LC student.    
        f) None of the above(explain:__________________)
2) What is your purpose to join lads-net?
        a) For information only.
        b) To do something which can make a difference
        c) Just for monitoring lads-net activity.
3) What is the function of lads-net?
        a) There is no need of lads-net at all.
        b) It should only be an information sharing service.
        c) It should make effort to push forward lad issues.
4) How do you rank lads-net's information? Please give scales 
   from 0 to 10, as 10 is the best.
        a) promptness: 
        b) accuracy:
        c) fairness:
5) How do you rank lads-net's another activities? Please give 
   scales from 0 to 10, as 10 is the best.
        a) work with LCnet.
        b) work with IFCSS.
        c) work with Dr. Zhao's NCCA.
        d) work with U.S. government.
        e) petition letter drive.    
6) Do you think DED problem should be solved?
        a) No.
        b) Not concerned.
        c) Yes.
        d) Yes, but it should be solved after most of CSPA principals
                has been approved.
        e) Yes, but undocumented DED should be excluded.
7) What do you think we should do next?
        a) Nothing. No chance at all for us to achive our goal.
        b) push Dr. Zhao Haiqing to make effort.
        c) Focus on the petiton letter. Wait to see what happens.
        d) We should do more ourselves, i.e lobby.
8) If you think we should do more, you would contribute
        a) little manpower or donation.
        b) donation.
        c) manpower
        d) manpower and donation.


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep 29 10:07:34 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03182); Wed, 29 Sep 93 10:07:34 CDT
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 10:07:34 CDT
Message-Id: <9309291504.AA20917@cs1.bradley.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: weili@cs1.bradley.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: weili@cs1.bradley.edu (Wei Li)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Wait too long!
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Dear Netters:

I sent My files on July 30 and the receipt-day is July 7.  But till
now I still don't get approval notice.  I call Lincon INS everyday and
the answer machine always responses "information on this case is not
available".  Since some friends of mine got their approval notices 
even though most of them sent their files later than I did and have 
later receipt-day than I have, it looks like I have no chance to get the 
approval in September.  To me it seems Lincon INS doing nothing.

W. Li




From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep 29 10:30:03 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03273); Wed, 29 Sep 93 10:30:03 CDT
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 10:30:03 CDT
Message-Id: <9309291526.AA21421@cs1.bradley.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: weili@cs1.bradley.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: weili@cs1.bradley.edu (Wei Li)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re: Wait too long!--> Type error
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

I made a mistake on type.  The correct date when I sent my files 
is June 30, not July 30.


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep 29 11:18:00 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03415); Wed, 29 Sep 93 11:18:00 CDT
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 11:18:00 CDT
Message-Id: <9309291615.AA18972@arcadien.owlnet.rice.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: xmhu@owlnet.rice.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Xiaomin Hu <xmhu@owlnet.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re:  
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

you can go to your local INS now definitely. But I think those lads
get instantly approve is just a mistake. The seal on passport showing
temporary residence has no A#. So if your LADs haven't received an A#,
it's useless. 

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep 29 11:43:35 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03487); Wed, 29 Sep 93 11:43:35 CDT
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 11:43:35 CDT
Message-Id: <01H3IR8VU69Y8ZE5T4@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: V592XM8P@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: V592XM8P@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Message from INS Buffalo
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi, would you please forward the following to LAD-net.

-------------------------------------------------------
Hi, folks:
This morning I went to INS office at Buffalo.  I was told that usually it takes
two weeks for updating the information on computer.  Therefore, people who 
received the approval notice may have to wait about two weeks until the 
information on computer is updated.  If you really want to go there, it is wise
enough to make a phone call first to make sure you are not going to waste time.
Thanks for you attention.
Good luck.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep 29 14:43:04 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03818); Wed, 29 Sep 93 14:43:04 CDT
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 14:43:04 CDT
Message-Id: <9309291937.AA16297@gauss.ece.ukans.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: yliu@gauss.ece.ukans.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: yliu@gauss.ece.ukans.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: EC-6/
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Hi, I'm also wondering what EC-6 means.  Could someone explain this?
Thanks.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep 29 15:11:34 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA03918); Wed, 29 Sep 93 15:11:34 CDT
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 15:11:34 CDT
Message-Id: <Pine.3.05.9309291634.A20578-9100000@bonjour.cc.columbia.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: yl4@columbia.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: YUN LIN <yl4@columbia.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re: EC-6/
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 



On Wed, 29 Sep 1993 yliu@gauss.ece.ukans.edu wrote:

> Hi, I'm also wondering what EC-6 means.  Could someone explain this?
> Thanks.

I was classified as EC-7 at New York center. I am woudering if people
can explain what are EC-6 and EC-7? Answers or postulations appreciated!
  



From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep 29 16:35:05 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA04076); Wed, 29 Sep 93 16:35:05 CDT
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 16:35:05 CDT
Message-Id: <9309292132.AA24619@student5.cl.msu.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: zhangsha@student.msu.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Shangqian Zhang <zhangsha@student.msu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Answer to Out of Status LADS
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

So many people ask content of the cable I mentioned in my last post. I put the
cable here for everyone who may be interesting.

*******************************************************************************

Cables Send to the US Diplomatic and Consular Posts by the State Department

*******************************************************************************


>From Interpreter Release April 30, 1990

In 66 Interpreter Releases 1313-16, 1331-32 (Dec. 4, 1989), we reported on a
directive from President Bush ordering the Justice Department to take certain
steps to protect nationals of the People's Republic of China (PRC) in the US.
Also, in interpreter releases 433-34, 477-48 (April 16, 1990) we reported on
the President's executive order fromalizing and expanding the directive.

The State Department has now sent two cables implementing the measure.

The following is the text of a March 7, 1990 cable (no. 90-State-072222)
sent by the State Department to all diplomatic and consular posts:

    Subject: 212(d) (4) (A) Passport Waiver for PRC Chinese

    Ref: A) 89 State 398971  B) 89 State 398972  C) State 16987

    1. Reftel A reports the President's directive of November 30, 1989,
providing to PRC Chinese who benifit from the Attorney General's June 6 order
deferring the enforced departure for nationals of China: 1) irrevocable waiver
of 212(e) which may be exercised until January 1, 1994; 2) assurance of conti-
nued lawful immigration status; 3) authorization for employment; and 4) notice
of expiration of nonimmigrant status, rather than institution of deportation
proceedings. The remaining reftal all described moves, primarily by the
immigration and naturalization service (INS), to immplement the directive.

    2. It has come to the Department's attention that some PRC Chinese covered
under the directive may have difficulty renewing their passports through
Chinese authorities. Earlier the INS had provided to PRC students and exchange
visitors in such circumstances, who were present in the US on or before June 5,
1989, waiver of the passport requirement for purposes of determining
nonimmigrant benefits. This provision pertained only to the maitenance of
nonimmigtant status and did not waiver the normal passport and visa requirement
for readmission following a period of temporary absence from the United States.

    3. However, consular officers were reminded that PRC Chinese who fall under
the provisions of the directive and who are not in possession of a valid
passport, as required under INA 212(A) (26), may benefit from a passport waiver
to reture to the US under INA 212 (D) (4) (A). Such requests should be referred
to the Department (CA/VO/F/P) noting the special circumstances and containing
the information in 22 CFR 41.3, n3, Department will seek the concurrence of the
INS for waivers in these cases.

The second cable (no. 90-State-132203), which expands on the first, was on
April 25 to all diplomatic and consular posts:

    Subject: Travel Documents for PRC Nationals Under Executive Order

    Ref: State 121941

    1. The President's executive order of April 11, 1990, which was reported in
Reftel to all diplomatic and consular posts, improves the immigration status of
PRC visitors who were present in the US on or after June 5, 1989, up to and
including April 11, 1990, the date of the order. The order is intended to
assure PRC nationals in the US that they will not be forced to reture to China
against their will before January 1, 1994. Protections are extended to all
Chinese present in the US as of the designated dates, or if not present, whose
temporary stay was interrupted by a brief, casual, and innocent departure. The
order does not cover PRC nationals who were present in the US within the
period of the designated dated but who concluded their temporary visit and
voluntarily left the US (e.g. an H-2B worker who completed his contract and
returned home, or a bussiness visitor who participated in various meetings and
left the conclusion of his business.)

    2. Section 2(B) of the order directs the Secretary of State and the
Attorney General to take all steps necessary with respect to PRC national
described in para one to provide necessary documents "both within the US and at
a US consulates overseas; to facilitate travel across the borders of other
nations and reentry into the US in the same status such PRC nationals had upon
departure."

    3. The Immigration and Naturalization Service will issue authorization for
advance parole (Form I-512) to PRC national who request it to allow such
travel. The I-512 is a single sheet, 8 1/2 by 11, which reatures a photograph
of the bearer and embossed seal. The I-512 issued to PRC nationals under the
order will be annotated to allow reentry in the same status in which the PRC
national departed the United States.

    4. It is expected that most PRC nationals departing the US will obtain the
I-512 to assure reentry. Some PRC nationals may seek a visa at a consulate or
embassy abroad to reentry the United States. In all cases in which the
applicant is covered by the President's Executive Order, posts are required to
accept the application for processing. If a visa is not issued as a result of
the application, and no other ready means of reentering the US is avialable to
the applicant, the post must submit the case for action to the Department
(CA/VO/F/P) and INS Central Office (COFOR, COADN) explaining why a visa may
not be issued and seeking guidance on alternative documentation available to
allow reentry the alien to the US.

    5. Any PRC national who was in the United States in legal status on or
after June 5, 1989, up to an and including April 11, 1990, will be considered
to have maintained lawful status for purposes of adjustment of status in the
United States under INA Sec. 245. Those who were not in lawful status as of
June 5, and are not eligible to adjust status under INA Sec. 245, will be
required to apply abroad for immigrant status. Immigrant visa issuing posts are
hereby directed by authority of the Department under 22 CFR 42.61(A) to accept
for processing the cases of those PRC aliens in the United States who claim to
qualify under the Executive order and who request acceptance of an application
for immigrant visa on a discretionary basis. According to the best available
data, Department does not expect the increase in workload as a result of the
acceptance of such cases to be significant.

    6. Section 2(A) of the President's Executive Order waives the passport
requirement through January 1, 1994, for all PRC nationals covered under the
order. If such nationals apply for a nonimmigrant visa, and are not in
possession of a valid passport, posts may issue the visa on Form OF-232 per 22
CFR 41.113(B)(3). In such cases, posts should prepare a letter to the INS
inspector at port of entry indicating that a passport waiver has been granted
under 212(D)(4)(A) per the authority granted in the president's Executive Order
of April 11, 1990 (See 22 CFR 41.2 N(4)).

    7. Waiver of the passport requirement for PRC natinals applying for
immigrant visas is already covered under 22 CFR 42.2(F). This section exempts
from the passport requirement for an immigrant visa: "An alien who is a
national of a Communist-controlled country and who is unable to obtain a
passport from the government of that country, and accompanying spouse and
unmarried son or daughter." Consular officers should prepare a letter to be
attached to the visa packet noting that the passport requirement has been
waived under the stated section and according to the President's Executive
Order of April 11, 1990.

    8. if a PRC alien applied for a replacement I-512 at a consular office
abroad, post should refer the request to INS central Office (COFOR, COADN) and
the Department (CA/VO/F/P) for guidance.

    9. In keeping with INA Section 291, the burden of proof for demonstrating
entitlement to an entry document rests with the applicant. In the case of PRC
nationals claiming to qualify under the President's order, it is the alien's
responsibility to show that he or she was present in the US on the designated
dates and therefor is covered under the order. All pertinent sections of the
Immigrantion and Nationality Act still apply, and all requirements of the visa
under the Act should be met before issurance.

    10. The attention of posts is also drawn to Section 6 of the President's
Executive Order, which directs the Department of Justice and State "to consider
other steps to assist such PRC nationals in their efforts to utilize the
protections that I have extended pursuant to this order." In keeping withthis
provision and with the spirit of the Executive Order, posts are requested to
give sympathetic consideration to applications of all PRC Chinese who are
affected by the order. Though PRC Chinese family members outside the US are not
covered under the order, posts should give sympathetic consideration to
applications of derivative status applicants seeking to join principal aliens
in the US who are covered under the order and whom the President has permitted
to remain until 1994.

    11. Please contact the Department (CA/CO/F/P) for further guidance in any
case in which post is unsure fo its obligations under the order or in which
post is unsure whether an alien qualifies under the order for a claimed
benefit.
******************************************************************************


For your reference only. there might be some typing mistake. you may check them
out at your local libery.

Some suggestion:
1. simply mention item 5 in second cable, and point out the out-of-status is
not our fault because we thought that we are keeping the LAWFUL STATUS
until January 1994 even without extening visa,  hinting that is a technical
fault.
2. Dependent should be same status as principal.
3. INS officers are not familiar with CPSA very well, some are nice to us, some
not. Acception is depended on how you present your points and give them proper
papers(documents), as well as your luck.

Good luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep 29 17:40:14 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA04167); Wed, 29 Sep 93 17:40:14 CDT
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 17:40:14 CDT
Message-Id: <9309292237.AA09674@dax.cc.uakron.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: r2gw@dax.cc.uakron.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: r2gw@dax.cc.uakron.edu (Gang Wu)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: 
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

1) What is your status?
        b) CSPA beneficiary with lad(s).

2) What is your purpose to join lads-net?
        b) To do something which can make a difference

3) What is the function of lads-net?
        c) It should make effort to push forward lad issues.

4) How do you rank lads-net's information? Please give scales 
   from 0 to 10, as 10 is the best.

        a) promptness:   8
        b) accuracy:     9
        c) fairness:     9

5) How do you rank lads-net's another activities? Please give 
   scales from 0 to 10, as 10 is the best.

        a) work with LCnet.  don't know
        b) work with IFCSS.  5
        c) work with Dr. Zhao's NCCA.  5
        d) work with U.S. government.  5
 
        e) petition letter drive.     8

6) Do you think DED problem should be solved?

        b) Not concerned.

        e) Yes, but undocumented DED should be excluded.

7) What do you think we should do next?

        b) push Dr. Zhao Haiqing to make effort.

   also c) Focus on the petiton letter. Wait to see what happens.

        d) We should do more ourselves, i.e lobby.

8) If you think we should do more, you would contribute

        a)  a little manpower or donation.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep 29 18:26:42 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA04238); Wed, 29 Sep 93 18:26:42 CDT
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 18:26:42 CDT
Message-Id: <9309292326.AA12257@lucerne.rice.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: snow@lucerne.rice.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Jun Wu <snow@lucerne.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Pl. post to LAD-Net (fwd)
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 16:37:24 MDT
>From: jli@mines.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Message-Id: <9309292237.AA24432@mines.utah.edu>

	The following is for your information only.  Your own judgement
is highly advised.

   	I talked to Salt Lake City INS Supervisory Exminer Allan
Speirs.  He said EC6 is specially created for CSPA principals.  LAD
gets E39.

	I also asked about J-2 2-year waiver.  I asked if it is required.
He answered that you'd better have it to make things straight and clear.

	LAD interview in SLC-INS is quite formal.  It takes about 25   
minutes.  He checks birth date, I-94 (he also has a copy, he compares
yours with the one he got), marriage certificate, and all other documents.
He also made notes on Form I-485 about the 2-year waiver (like "granted
on DD/MM/YY) because I obtained the 2-year waiver after my LAD filed
I-485.  You also need to bring the original documents.  Where you get
the certificate seems to be not important.  My LAD's birth certificate was
from a local hostspital with a red stamp (seal) on a regular Chinese 
letter paper.   This INS examiner is very kind and responsible. He makes
you feel that you are going through an important process.

	When I called for signatures to support Beijing 2000 Olympics,
many were afraid to sign.  They were afraid to jarpodize their PR
applications.  If Beijing bids for 2004 games, I hope there is nothing
to be afraid at that time to show your support!


Jianliang Li (JLi)
Member, LAD-Net Committee

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep 29 21:00:36 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA04789); Wed, 29 Sep 93 21:00:36 CDT
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 21:00:36 CDT
Message-Id: <Pine.3.05.9309292109.A21514-8100000@bonjour.cc.columbia.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: yl4@columbia.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: YUN LIN <yl4@columbia.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: how to use the anonymous account to retrive info at spike
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

Can you give me some instructions on how to use
the anonymous account to retrive info at spike
on lads discussions. I used it before by using
anonymous as login name and password by it failed 
now.

Thank you for your help!



From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Sep 29 23:33:21 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA05199); Wed, 29 Sep 93 23:33:21 CDT
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 23:33:21 CDT
Message-Id: <01H3J9XMRZ7M8Y6TE0@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: GCAI@ccit.arizona.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: GCAI@ccit.arizona.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Can We Talk About Your Open-Net Policy?
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Hi, Mi Mi: This is intended to be a private note to you, but since I have no 
access to your personal e-mail account, I am here taking the liberty to write to
you via this public communication network and assume that you will read my 
concern. 

Once and again, as a LADs net user, I am very grateful to you and the work you 
have done for renewing a strong sense of community among Chinese students and 
scholars and for monitoring the further implementation of CSPA. 

But I am quite upset by your and LADs committee's recent decision to open LADs 
net for free posting without the committee's proofreading. I am against your 
decision not in the sense of censoring what other people have to say about an 
issue in question. In other words, I am NOT denying any net user's right to free
publication. What upsets me is the underlying romantic argument for "freedom of 
speech." That is, when you decided to set the net loose for any posting, you 
intended to not only to save time but also let us hear more voices. However, 
things seemingly do not turn out the way as they are expected; while you and 
your committee do save the trouble to edit 
or select messages for us, I, and many other users, thus get into the endless, 
boring
business of reading junk mail, repeated mail, and so on. There is NO efficiency
at all; we, as the net readers, are therefore NOT freed but more confined to the
tyranny of others' words. Furthermore, while it might appear that we could know 
different perspectives on the development of CSPA-LADs related issues because of
the open net, I, and may other users, obviously hear more noises rather than 
voices. This is not fair, and this is not in the true sense of "democracy," 
either. 

I believe that a majority of users would appreciate more of your dedicated 
service representing the net than everyone else's repetitive report on their 
application status and good-intentioned blessing. Meanwhile, as a graduate 
student, I, as many others do, follow a very busy daily schedule, and I need to 
protect my time from reading tens of useless and repetitive mails. 

Signing off the net is not my first option. I STILL WANT TO VALUE AND APPRECIATE
YOUR WORK for LADs. Thus, I am writing to you in hopes that you and your 
committee would be kind enough to reconsider your decision of opening the net 
for free public posting. 

Thank you for your most serious consideration of my concern. I am looking
forward to hearing from you soon. 

Sincerely


A concerned net user


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep 30 09:59:01 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA07655); Thu, 30 Sep 93 09:59:01 CDT
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 09:59:01 CDT
Message-Id: <9309301455.AA07334@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Open or Close the network
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 




Dear netters, we lads-net has opened its posting previliges to everybody
who subcribed our net. To open or not open the net has been a hot debate
among our committee members. There are two sides of the story:

1) To keep the net closed, we need two members to check and repackage the 
incomming messages, but it saves system manager's time and work and computer 
resources, which is essential to sustain the net. The noise is kept at minimum,
the netters are receiving less junk mails, and some complain the delay of their
postings.

2) To keep the net open, then we have freed two members, which is very precious
to us since we do not have enough manpower. While many netters think Mi Mi Sr.
is the leader of this net, they are quite mistaken. Since Mi Mi Sr. has not 
been assigned to any particular monitoring job, he takes the liberty as a free
lancer to fool around. Currently we are sending a mini-survey to the net, that
take one member to do it, and petition drive also takes one member to take care
of the signatures. Since all of us are part time volunteers, everyone has to
concentrate on their full time duty and family obligations. By opening the net,
we save more members to do the other tasks, but more noises are heard over the
net. 

Well, it has been very controvesial. Mi Mi Sr. realized that, while the net was
closed, he jumped up and down to send out lots of junk mails. And Mi Mi is
grateful to all our netters' tolerance towards his behavior.

Anyway, since we are a democratic network, why not drop a line, saying
open the net or close the net, together with your survey to us? If the majority
of our netters are in favor of close the net, we will certainly do this to
serve our netters better. 

Our first priority is your satisfaction.

Regards,

Mi Mi.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., An Old Mice Chasing Dog, with Mi Mi Jr.,    %
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@lucerne.rice.edu         %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log and 9309lads.log              %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    lads-sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:           %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep 30 10:30:11 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA07806); Thu, 30 Sep 93 10:30:11 CDT
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 10:30:11 CDT
Message-Id: <9309301527.AA07446@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: The survey address
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Some netters are sending survey results to the posting address instead
of survey address, that caused mails be posted the the whole net.

Please pay attention to the address of survey:

survey@spike.rice.edu

Your cooperation is highly appreciated.

Mi MI

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., An Old Mice Chasing Dog, with Mi Mi Jr.,    %
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@lucerne.rice.edu         %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log and 9309lads.log              %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    lads-sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:           %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep 30 10:59:13 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA07903); Thu, 30 Sep 93 10:59:13 CDT
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 10:59:13 CDT
Message-Id: <9309301556.AA07531@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Open or Close the network
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Please send your opinions to survey@spike.rice.edu, instead of sending
it back to me, otherwise my account will be flooded and no other work
can be done from this account, e.g., I will be shut up!

Thanks for your participation and cooperation!

Mi Mi


Net access issue:

a) Close the net:
   a1) Get rid of the noise,
   a2) Keep the privacy of the posters,
   a3) No of the above. Please specify:________________

b) Open the net:
   b1) For timely information access, do not care the noise,
   b2) For free posting, though I will suggest our netters to restrict 
       ourselves to post the only important messages, thus to save the 
       time and energy of the others.
   b3) I have enough space in my account, so I do not really care the 
       noise,
   b4) No of the above. Please specify:________________

Manpower Issue:
   c1) I am willing to contribute my time as a coordinator to serve the
       LADS-Net Community. Please tell me more how I can join you.
       My e-mail address is ___________________________ and I would
       accept assignment on regular basis. (specifiy, weekly, daily, etc)
   c2) I am not willing to accept assignment on regular basis, but I can
       inform you when I have some spare time.
   c3) Although I am sympathetic to your manpoewer crisis, I can not
       help, so please do whatever you guys think which can save your 
       time and energy while serving us well as better as you can.

Mi Mi



%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., An Old Mice Chasing Dog, with Mi Mi Jr.,    %
% To sign on/off Lads-Net News, pleas send an email to        %
%    listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:               %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
% To post, send your message to lads@lucerne.rice.edu         %
% To retrieve past packages, anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu  %
%    at file /lads/9308lads.log and 9309lads.log              %
% To sign our petition letter, please send your signatures to %
%    lads-sig@spike.rice.edu, the prefered form is:           %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
                                                                                                                  

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep 30 12:37:08 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA08333); Thu, 30 Sep 93 12:37:08 CDT
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 12:37:08 CDT
Message-Id: <9309281827.AA18023@kelb.cs.buffalo.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: lu@cs.buffalo.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: lu@cs.buffalo.edu (Naiqian Lu)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re: Lads Approved?
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


I don't think that is is so simple, if you did not receive the approve letter,
how can theyset your record? Remember, local officer can not approve you, it 
is decided by district office. If anyone get his/her GC by this way, he/she
is really the lucky one. Make sure you get your GC(not stamp on passport)
before you through your application file away.

Not all INS office accept approve notice, Buffalo office said you need wait
14 day, then come there (at least they told someone today) to do final 
processing. Maybe Albany has some quota left to let lad use?

Bye the way, a laywer told me that EC6 is special category for chinese student,
we still belong to EB3.

If anyone on legal side can tell us how to push lad's file go to processing, I
will deeply appriciate, the computer system is update slow, but open-window
will close by Friday(local INS may not know you are approved by Friday!!!)

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep 30 12:42:45 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA08377); Thu, 30 Sep 93 12:42:45 CDT
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 12:42:45 CDT
Message-Id: <9309301738.AA01763@aris.ss.uci.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: wlu@aris.ss.uci.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: wlu@aris.ss.uci.edu (Wei Lu)
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: I got it!
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 


Hi, folks! I am now becoming one of the luckiest guys who got thier GC under CSPA. The first thing occurred to my mind are those who died in 6.4. events. Let us remember those brave students forever. I thank all people who helped to pass CSPA and those wh

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep 30 14:24:03 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA08761); Thu, 30 Sep 93 14:24:03 CDT
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 14:24:03 CDT
Message-Id: <9309301923.AA14072@lucerne.rice.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: DZENG@ucs.indiana.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Daisy ZENG <DZENG@ucs.indiana.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: lads-net
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

I think the lads-net should be leaving open at the corrent time, since 
there are still a fewer problems for our lads-PR application need to be 
solved.
DZ

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep 30 14:28:55 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA08806); Thu, 30 Sep 93 14:28:55 CDT
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 14:28:55 CDT
Message-Id: <Pine.3.03.9309301429.B10656-9100000@plains>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: duan@plains.nodak.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: duan <duan@plains.nodak.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: what effects on lads?
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

By now I have not got the approval letter nor the information from the
north center though I mailed out my application on June 30 and got the
receipt note dated on July 6. I filed the application for my lads in
Auguest in local INS. Since today is the last day of the time window, I am
concerned if my lads will be affected by my situation. Does anyone have
any idea or suggestion about it? Thanks! 



From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep 30 19:05:42 1993
Received: from  (localhost.rice.edu) by spike.rice.edu (AA09434); Thu, 30 Sep 93 19:05:42 CDT
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 19:05:42 CDT
Message-Id: <9310010002.AA14266@skinner.cs.uoregon.edu>
Errors-To: lads-request@spike.rice.edu
Reply-To: leanne@skinner.cs.uoregon.edu
Originator: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Sender: lads-l@spike.rice.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: Lingyan Kong <leanne@skinner.cs.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <lads-l@spike.rice.edu>
Subject: Re:  what effects on lads?
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0a -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment:  Late-Arrival-DependentS-List 

I am in the Northen center and mailed my application on July 11. I called
the center today and there's a "Sorry..." message in that auto machine. I
waited on the line about 10 minutes and alked to an officer, who told me 
that I was approved today. If you just listened the information from machine,
you may still have the chance to be approved today. Wait about a couple of
days to see what'll happen. Always keep a hope. Sorry, I don't know any other
information beyond this.
LY.

