From: [email-masked] (Mi Mi)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 93 09:50:19 CST

Hi, Zhang, the trouble was that you gave a copy of your PR approval letter,
which, certainly excludes your daughter from getting a non-immigrat visa.

While you can not cheat (it is serious!), sometimes you can avoid your PR
status. Since you have revealed it, maybe you should try to write a letter
explaining your situation, and get a copy of the cable sent by State 
Department to the oversea posts (you can ftp from spike, lads-l document
depository), and present your case again to the consular. He does not refuse
to let your daughter in. But the the procedure requires that she wait for
immigrant visa. 

Non-immigration and immigration visas are totally different. While there
is a cap on top of the annual immigration numbers, there is no such cap
on the non-immigration visa issuance. However, U.S. INA discourages any
one to bypass the immigration procedure to take the advantage of 
non-immigration visa issuance. It is even stated explicitely in the CSPA. So,
if you present a copy of your PR evidence, you are making sure that your 
direct family dependents are denied for non-immigration visa issuance. 

Just remember that our petition letter addressed this problem, "immigration
intent" explicitely to the INS. And the answer from INS is NO NO NO.
You can also ftp the petition letter, and the INS's reply from the spike.
The CSPA implementation rules, can be retrieved from CND.ORG.

Before anyone tries to bring his/her dependents from overseas, please read
those documents carefully. You do not have many chances to take. One wrong
step is enough.

It is a wrong impression that "immigration intent" is a curse. Immigration
Intent classifies which category should you apply. It does not reject
your visa application, but redirects you to the immigration categories.
While as we applied to schools here, such "immigration intent" meant
we had to go through immigration procedure, thus disqualify us for F/J
visas. For you who have PR and want to bring your dependents here, 
"immigration intent" means you have to wait in line. 

There is no blanket solution to oversea dependents. Each one has to be
dealt case by case. And each one is guaranteed a visa, either EB-3 or 
FB-2. Probably that is why no body takes it seriously, since the problem
is the time. To solve this problem needs legislative procedures (INS HQ's
replying letter), and probably will take as much as several years to pass
the congress. By that time, many have gotten their quota already. So, to
pass something in the congress, even if it is possible, is actually 
meaningless.

Good luck!

Mi Mi Sr.

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   Dear Sirs,

   The documents I sent to my daughter for nonimmigration visa application
   included a copy of approval note on my permanent residency, I134 form,
   an employment verification letter from my company and my bank statement
   After the American consul reviewed these documents he told my mother '
   your granddaughter should  apply an immigration visa. We can give you a
   nonimmigration visa right away, but we just can't give her, because her
   father is PR now.' He did not have any idea how long the process which
   my daughter applies the immigration visa will take, just advised them
   to go to American consulate in Guang Zhou. Here is the whole story I
   heard from my mother. There is any suggestion and solution about this
   problem please let me know. I will appreciate.

   Thank you

   Zhenhan Zhang