Subject: [[email-masked]: CSPA and tuition status]

From: [email-masked] (Mi Mi)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 08:14:09 CST

Hi, guys, as my understanding of the following message, we, CSPAers, will
not only be eligible for the tuition difference of THIS SEMESTER, but also 
for the difference FROM April 11, 93, when we were granted temperory status
by then Presindent Bush! Since from then our stay here has a very particular
meaning, other than "only for the purpose of education." Even though many of
us principals may keep quite on this subject since such a claim will be 
contradictory to the claim of "solely for the purposr of education" in order
to reap the Sino-U.S. tax treaty benefits (anyone will probe this 
possibility?), our derivative dependents are FULLY ELIGIBLE for that 
tuition difference!

What is your suggestions? Interested? That may be something we can really
get excited!

Mi Mi Sr.

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>From:   IN%"[email-masked]"  "David Zhang"  2-NOV-1993 18:03:03.97
Subject: Rush,Rush,Please post as info for in state tuition

I am very greatful for your posting my suggestions on the net,  Please add
The following technical suggestions into the net now.  Please rush:
 1) Because the Chinese people were from a police country,  some of us may
 not dare to sue the college.  Maybe it takes a year.   I hoped that someone wo
uld sue and benefit us all.   In order to sharing the winning price,  every chi
nese student who was rejected by their college after they treatened to sue,
Please write" I accept the tuition bill with reservation" on your costly
out-of-state tuition bill.   That would make you be able recover the money they
charged more after the court's furture ruling, which should be on our side.
2) Please do not show this letter to any school official, because they would
 decide to wait for the court ruling as the first opition, while safly chargin
g you the out-of-state tuition.    Let's hope one of us would standing up to su
e.
3) Please note, the working rights we CSPAer got 4 years ago is the key factor
  to estapblish our status other that students.
Please post now, please post.

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>From:   IN%"[email-masked]"  "David Zhang"  3-NOV-1993 01:09:59.80
Subject: RE: Rush,Rush,Please post as info for in state tuition
In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 02 Nov 1993 18:37:04 -0500 (EST)
To: [email-masked]
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1) "Charged more" , the extra money you have to pay for out-of-stat tuition.
    When your public college refused to offer you the in-state tuition,  you
    should be smart enough to pay the whole bill, the out-of state tuition.
    So the words "charged more" means the defference between out of state tuiti
on and the in-stat tuition.ou wrIn the Business Law, when we   put the words
   like "with reservation" or "under protest" into the bill before paying for
   it,  we reserved the rights to sue in the future.    When one of our hero wo
n the battle with the college in court, everyone could bring their paid tuition
  bill with "with reservation" on it , to their own college, and ask for a
  refund, then refund shold be the difference between the out-state tuition
 we paid and the in-stat price we won.  That refund is the "Charged more".

2) "this letter", means the bottom line we hold: write "with reservation" on ou
r bills.      We can not let the school know that we may not seriously want to
 sue them in each particular case.   Otherwise, every college may not take your
 treat seriously.

3) CSPAer's unique status,  the status the CSPAers holding BEFORE the green
   card were so unique that eables CSPAer to be in his own statse as:
   A STUDENT OR A BUSINESSMAN IN THAT STATE,   ===>to be in the state other
   than educational purpose.  That meets the guildline set up by the court
   in Vlandis v. Kline, a state should grant in-state status to student if
   his stay in the state is other than for educational purpose.

   In 1982's case Toll v. Moreno (Moreno is the name for the college president)
   the court ruled a class of aliens(G-4) could be treaded as in-state because
   the unique status which enables them to stay other than educational purpose.

   Attention: the approval of in-state for the aliens by the court does not mea
n give in-state tuition to every aliens.   ===>  Every alien in that unique
  class has the rights to treated equally like their American citizen classmate
s.   They have to prove that every one of them did staied in that state other
 than going to college.   Such as working off-campus, paying the local tax and
 starting his own business,  every proof should treated equally by the school
 just like American citizens.                       e

a) The court ruling are very complexed.  They could be found in "the Supreme
   court report" in your college liberary.

b) Possibility:  The unique statusof CSPAer is much stronger than G-4.
                 The supreme court ruled in 1983(?) that kids of the illegal
                 aliens should be educated free in high school and below.
         One hero will be eventuly a winner.      Our chance is good.

ATTENTION: IFCSS
   I had great respect to your IFCSS.  I recommend IFCSS take it into a fight.
   IFCSS may have a lot of lawyerfriends, and ask one of them to take a civial
   case.   The loser will pay the fee, and that would be the losing college.
   If IFCSS did so, those of us, the chinese from a police country will find
   the equal rights in this country, will find honor from IFCSS.

   Yesterday IFCSS got CSPAers the green card.   Today CSPAer shall get their
   honor.  Tomorrow CSPAer will get their money.  ck

   Please take this into a fight, IFCSS is really for the CSS.

CND: please make any corrections and comments as you wish.
   Thank you for your attention.