Subject: How many lads with 7/1/93 date?

From: [email-masked] (Mi Mi)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 19:18:52 CST

Date:         Thu, 24 Mar 94 18:04:03 EST
   From: [email-masked]

   ACCORDIN TO WORLD JOURNAL REPORT ON3/24/94 INS ALREADY ISSUED 2700 EB3 NUMBER I
   N MARCH, 1994. IF THE NUMBER 3000 IS TRUE ,ALL REMAINING LADS WILL BE HOPEFUL T
   O GET APPROVAL IN OCTOBER,1994. THIS IS NOT BAD.

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From: "Q.Zhu from NYU at Fermilab (708)840-8383" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 22:05:36 CST

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I don't understand the number 2700. My understanding is that the annual quota 
for EB3 is 2500. How could INS issue 2700 in March? Apparently INS has to use 
the quota of 1994 which is at most 2500. Besides, according to the information
about the Washington cable in this net, INS freezed issuing visa for July 1,1993
proiority date. But they can still issue visa number for people with ealier
priority date. That suggests that the quota for 1994 fisical year HAS NOT been
used out. 
 
Can somebody provide more information about the World Journal, i.e. detail
words, phone number of World Journal? I think we should call them to see
if they can provide more information on it.
 
Best regards,
Qiang Zhu

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From: [email-masked] (Mi Mi)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 22:52:08 CST

I also read the WJ today. It says by the midle of March, 2,700 lads have been 
approved through EB-3. So State Department stops issuing visa numbers to
EB3 applicants. It says the visa number will retrogress in May.

I also do not understand why 2,700. I do not know if it includes the numbers
issued during fiscal 1993, remember last August to September it was 
current, and may lads applied at that time? If 2,700 is acumulative, then
it is OKAY, but........

Mi Mi Sr.

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From: [email-masked] (Yi Guo)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 23:00:01 CST

What is the total number available under EB-3 per year?
Any statistics how many LADs applied already?

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From: "Q.Zhu from NYU at Fermilab (708)840-8383" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 10:02:08 CST

>Mi Mi Sr.

There is certainly such a possibility. That is then good news for LADs. 
Could somebody call WJ to verify what they said: do they mean to be 'before
the middle of March 1994', or they really mean to say 'in March 1994'? 

If somebody provides WJ phone number(I don't have a copy of WJ at hand), I'll
certanly call them ---even if it's a waste of time ---they may not 
know or won't answer questions, etc. I think it's worth trying. 

I think the best channel to know how many LADs have got their green cards is 
directly through the State Department. It controls the visa. The difficulty
with LADs issue is that LOCAL INS offices handle applications. I talked
to IFCSS. They said they normally deal with INS headquarter. The LADs
application procedure defeats their method. If IFCSS can get information 
directly from the State Department for some reason --- it has to be good for 
the State Department, we can know this number exactly. We have to find a reason 
for IFCSS to ask the State Department for that number --- probably more than 
just curiosity. Does somebody have a brit ideal?

Did WJ say where it got that number, directly from the State Department?
If so, we can belive it. 

The popular estimate of total LAds is 8000. (I talked to somebody who IFCSS 
directed me to about the ratio of LADs to principals. They actually did a 
survey on 5000 applications to get that ratio. So I think the ratio is 
pretty realible.)

In my early survey, I concluded that 77% of LADs have July 1, 1993 priority
date. IFCSS claimed that, in one of its News Release,  only half are eligble 
for EB3 application because of the out-of-status issue. I'm not sure if we
can belive that --- especially because each INS office handles application
differently regarding to the out-of-status issue. In any case, the LADs
eligible for EB3 are between 4000 to 8000. It means that 3100 to 6200 LADs 
have July 1, 1993 priority date. Subtracting 2700 LADs, we know that only 
400 to 3500 LADs with July 1, 1993 are waiting. It is encouraging that the 
cutoff date will likely move forward --- July 3, 1994 or later, in October
( the beginning of 1995 fisical year.)

Of course, there is little hope that many LADs will get their green cards
before Sept. 30, 1994 --- implied by the Washington cable that there ARE
some quota for 1994 quota, but NOT many...

One more comment: it is likely that the cutoff date for EB3 will retrogress
in May as said in WJ. The Washinton calbe clearly says so. If the State 
Department could change the cutoff date immediately( in normally procedure, 
it predicts the cutoff date about one month advance. I suspect it's from 
some knid of law.), they hadn't have to issue a cable. They would change
the cutoff date immediately--if they could. But I doubt that there are many
people in EB3 queue with priority date earlier than July 1, 1993. Don't
worry too much even if the cutoff date retrogress in May.

Keep trying. 

Best regards,
Qiang Zhu

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From: [email-masked] (Mi Mi)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 10:42:24 CST

WJ's number: operator: (718)-746-9006 (English)
(718)-746-8889 (Chinese)
          
State Department operates on cutoff date, as far as I know, arbitrarily,
according to the demands. It should give one month in advance, by 10th the 
previous month. It must find out, the request was so heavy that after 3/10 
posting the cutoff date for April, there was not much left for the fiscal 
1994, and, it makes sense to cable locals to stop request the scarce visa 
numbers before April ends. In this light, the cutoff date will retrogress
for May. 

Just my speculations.

Mi Mi Sr.