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I want to sign off.  Thank you!

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Thank you very much for all your help. Please sign me off the list.

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Thank you very much for all your help. Please sign me off the list.

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Thank you very much for all your help. Please sign me off the list,please.
rong@utdallas.edu

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Mar  3 20:43:26 1994
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Dear Mi Mi Sr.

I am a CSPA-LAD and have been a student at University of California, Los Angelessince Fall, 1992. I got an approval notice for my application for PR on 3/1. But when I went to the Residence Deputy fot waiver of non resident tuition for this Spring quarter which starts on 3/30, they still said that I had to wait for a full year after the date that I had filed my application (8/11/93). That means I only can get the tuition waived since Fall, 94. They told me I could write an appeal to UC legal analyst.

I think this is a kind of unfair because I have already become PR and I have to start to pay tax as a PR since this March. How come I pay the non resident tuition fee at the same time?

Could you please give me some advice on what points I should state in the appeal? And do you have any information about waiving of non resident tuition for LAD in UC system and other public schools?

Thank you very much for your help!



Xinmin Chen

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CSPA PR's in-state-tuition status varies from state to state, even from
school to school. Your PR status, or even Citizenship can not grant you
in-state-tuition status. In short, while a US Citizen is required to pay
out-state-tuition, another Alien, even without a GreenCard, may be able
to pay in-state-tuition at the very same school. All you have to do is,
try to get a copy of your school's tuition regulations, and you state's
corresponding laws, and find out the right shoes for yourself, and then
to persuade your school authority that you are in fact the resident of the 
state. There are national guidlines. You may ftp those arguments from 
spike. 

Mi Mi Sr.

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Hi everyone,

    Does any body has some phone number for the immi. gration lawers 
in Chicago?  You answer is very appreciated!

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Some big bananas' address:
              BOWLES, KEATING, EPSTEEN, HERING & LOWE, CHARTERED   
                     135 South La Salle Street, Suite 1040 
                         Chicago, Illinois 60603-4295   
                                (Cook County)   
                            Telephone: 312-263-6300 
                               Fax: 312-263-0415 
 
PRACTICE: ...........  Immigration..................  
 
 
                         BURDITT & RADZIUS, CHARTERED   
                                   Suite 2600 
                             333 West Wacker Drive 
                         Chicago, Illinois 60606-1218   
                                (Cook County)   
                            Telephone: 312-781-6633 
                                       G3 
                               Fax: 312-781-6630 
 
PRACTICE:   ...........Immigration........
 
 
 
              BOWLES, KEATING, EPSTEEN, HERING & LOWE, CHARTERED   
                     135 South La Salle Street, Suite 1040 
                         Chicago, Illinois 60603-4295   
                                (Cook County)   
                            Telephone: 312-263-6300 
                               Fax: 312-263-0415 
 
RATING: AV 
 
PRACTICE:  ...............Immigration....................
 
PERSONNEL: Clyde O. Bowles, Robert G. Epsteen, Glenn Z. Hering (Of Counsel, 
Advokatgruppen i Stockholm AB, Stockholm, Sweden), Thomas M. Keating, Jung Y. 
Lowe 
  
Counsel: Malcolm A. Chandler (Also practicing individually) 
  
Of Counsel: Lynne R. Ostfeld, Arnold A. Silvestri 
 
FIRM-LANGUAGES:   Chinese,  Czech, English, French and German. 
 
                         BURDITT & RADZIUS, CHARTERED   
                                   Suite 2600 
                             333 West Wacker Drive 
                         Chicago, Illinois 60606-1218   
                                (Cook County)   
                            Telephone: 312-781-6633 
                                       G3 
                               Fax: 312-781-6630 
 
RATING: AV 
 
PRACTICE: ...................Immigration.............
 
FIRM-LANGUAGES:  Spanish, Greek,  Chinese,  German, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch,
 
French, Japanese and Ukrainian. 
 

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Messages forwarded by Mi Mi Sr.

Congrtulations! 


====================================================

Hi, LAD NETers

My wife received her Approval letter today(3/3) from INS in Grand Portage,
Minnesota. The approval date was March 1.

We filed the application on August 2 (the first day when the filing was
open) at the Minneapolis INS(not Grand Portage!). Every required document was
submitted, including the medical exam. Since then, we called the Mpls INS
several times, and was told no action will be taken untill cutoff date
move to July 2; and no interview might be needed.

The approval letter is not a I-797, just a piece of computer paper, asking
my wife to go to Mpls INS to have I-89 done, and should expect to receive the
card in six months.

Good luck to every one.


Dabin Zhu
U of Minn.





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Hi, LAD NETers

My wife received her Approval letter today(3/3) from INS in Grand Portage,
Minnesota. The approval date was March 1.

We filed the application on August 2 (the first day when the filing was
open) at the Minneapolis INS(not Grand Portage!). Every required document was
submitted, including the medical exam. Since then, we called the Mpls INS
several times, and was told no action will be taken untill cutoff date
move to July 2; and no interview might be needed.

The approval letter is not a I-797, just a piece of computer paper, asking
my wife to go to Mpls INS to have I-89 done, and should expect to receive the
card in six months.

Good luck to every one.


Dabin Zhu
U of Minn.

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	Houston INS is also procssing LAD's applications. My wife
received her approval notice yesterday, dated back to March 2nd.
Besically since she had interview in Housotn last Nov., the letter
is just a notice with a stamp similar to the one we had on our
passport. Since she has done I-89 last Nov., nothing needs to
be done now except setting back and wait for the real card I guess.

Jun

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Thank you very much for all your help. Please sign me off the list.


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Again and again, many netters send sign-off messages to me or the whole net.
Lads-l is a listserv, which has very limited volunteer manpower and resources.
Mi Mi Sr. has no power over the sign-off procedures, all the sign-off work
has to be done by the system manager, Jun Wu in particular, who is now no 
longer working/studying at the Rice University, in his precious spare time,
if all our leaving netters refuse to sign-off by themselves. Since the start
of the network, lads-l committee members have spent huge amount of time to
serve the whole community, voluntorily. It maybe impolite to say so, but, just
as you dinning out in the McDonalds, please clean up for yourselves when you 
finish eating, be respecteful to the volunteers who have served you for FREE,
to your fellow netters who are receiving your sign-off garbages spread all
over the network. Please follow the sign-off messages attached to this mail.

Mi Mi Sr.


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Does any one know visa # for March?  Specifically, is it open for
the EB3 with priority date July-1?
--Huirong Zhu
--hzg9064@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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Hi, there, we belong to Denver INS. Up to I know,
almost all lad got their approval letters around here,
but we don't get anything from INS. I wonder if there is
any LAD who don't get letters from INS either?

ping

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Hi, Has any LAD got approval in Chicago aera?

GH 3/7/94

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Hi, there:

The following is the content of a letter from the Atlanta INS.  Can someone
see what kind of letter it is?  Seems it is not an approval letter.  But 
then what status a lad is when he/she receives this letter.  Note that
the last sentence, which I put in paranthesis, was printed but crossed out.
Can anyone bring up an approval letter here?

Letter begins:

Form I-181b

The processing of the application for adjustment of status to that of 
permanent resident filed by the above named individual has been completed.
(A request has been forwarded for the allocation of a visa number.)

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I can see that it is a approval letter, just does not offer immediate visa
number and then the green card. After some early birdies have taken their
bites into the limited China's quota pot, the rest have to sit back and
wait for the next feeding turns!
Anyway, cards are flying to lads' hands! Cheers!

Mi Mi Sr.


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   Hi, there:

   The following is the content of a letter from the Atlanta INS.  Can someone
   see what kind of letter it is?  Seems it is not an approval letter.  But 
   then what status a lad is when he/she receives this letter.  Note that
   the last sentence, which I put in paranthesis, was printed but crossed out.
   Can anyone bring up an approval letter here?

   Letter begins:

   Form I-181b

   The processing of the application for adjustment of status to that of 
   permanent resident filed by the above named individual has been completed.
   (A request has been forwarded for the allocation of a visa number.)


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> Hi, there:
> 
> The following is the content of a letter from the Atlanta INS.  Can someone
> see what kind of letter it is?  Seems it is not an approval letter.  But 
> then what status a lad is when he/she receives this letter.  Note that
> the last sentence, which I put in paranthesis, was printed but crossed out.
> Can anyone bring up an approval letter here?
> 
> Letter begins:
> 
> Form I-181b
> 
> The processing of the application for adjustment of status to that of 
> permanent resident filed by the above named individual has been completed.
> (A request has been forwarded for the allocation of a visa number.)



The Charlotte INS sent out the exact same letter as above.

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Many mail about reciept. Can someone tell me that interview is needed
for lads?
Zhang       

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Hi,
    Besides of the monthly logs we have on the network, is there any way
we can download all the rules and cables related to CSPA and lads?  I
need the original documentations.
    Thank you in advance!!!

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   Hi, just want to share with you a piece of information. Since the tax 
   season begins, many CSPA PR and lads are preparing to file their 1993
   tax return. As a PR, we can not use 1040NR, or, at least we have to use
   dual status to file. But, filing as residents have some advantages. If
   the whole family's income is under some $23,000, you may claim EIC for 
   your minor kids (Earned Income Credits) up to $2,300. In other words,
   instead of paying federal tax, IRS will PAY you some for your kids. This
   is FYI. Ask your accountants for details. Mi Mi Sr. bears no reponsibilities
   of any kind for any information provided here.

   Cheers!


   Mi Mi Sr.



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Hi,
Does anybody from Buffalo area get any thing from INS about
LAD processing (interview, approval etc.)? I have filed for
my wife in August, since then we didn't get anything from INS.

Thanks in advance.

ZHM

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Hi,
Does anybody from Louisville, Kentucky area get any thing from INS about LAD
processing? Please post some information if you know anything.

Thank you.

JD

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Does LADS from INS Memphis, Tennessee get anything about LAD
processing? Please post the current information as you know.

Thank you.

SSX

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Got some responses and corrections:

JIA_Z@****.***.***.edu wrote:

> "$2,300" should be 1,434 for one child / $1,511 for two children.

Thanks for the correction. In order to claim it, you should use 1040 or 
1040A which includes EIC schedule. 1040EZ does not have EIC schedule.

$1,511 is for two or more children. Say, if you have ten kids, the amount
is still $1,511. You can have it added to your paycheck.

You can even have rental credits.

AXHC@****.***.edu wrote:

> IS THE EIC CONSIDER AS PUBLIC ASSISTANT?

I believe it is not. If it is, so what? There are lots of benefits
designated for low-income families, no matter if they are Citizens 
or PRs. If you qualify, take it. You will pay back much more when
you graduate and find a job.

Also instead of being subject to the in-state-status when we pay the 
tuition, we can also apply for the Federal Assistantship, loans, grants
for our study. Loans have no interest, grants are give away, and you do 
not have to pay back. They are not considered as PUBLIC ASSISTANT. Just
incentives for you to stay in school.

Cheers!


Mi Mi Sr.


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I just received the approval letter for green card application as a CSPA LAD.
The letter dated back Mar.2nd.

I filed the apllication early August last year with Detroit INS, and had an
interview and figerprinting in November.

Good luck to all LADs out there, especially in Detroit area.

from Michigan State University1

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Hi, 

To establish a "INS CSPA update log" is a very good idea. It will let
everyone have a weapon to fight for our right.

David Wang

According to Xi Qin:
>
>
> Hi,
>     Besides of the monthly logs we have on the network, is there any way
> we can download all the rules and cables related to CSPA and lads?  I
> need the original documentations.
>     Thank you in advance!!!
>

-- 

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To: lads@lucrene.rice.edu
Subject: lad approvel

I am lad in Baltimore area. I got my green card approvel notice at March 1 even without interview. Yesterday I went to Baltimore INS to do my I-89. The officer  told me I would receive my real green card in 2-4 month. I hope every lad will receive his approvel notice pretty soon. Good luck to every one.



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Hi, I came across a piece of ad in newspaper.  It goes like this:

DV-1 Greencard Program.  Sponsored by US Immigration.  Greencards provide
US permanent resident status.  Citizens of almost all countries are
allowed.  ... ...

Does anybody know what this is?  Thanks.

EU

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Mi Mi Sr.,

I am a PR now and I am filing 1040 this year. Is my tuition
tax-deductible or can I claim tax credit for it? If yes,
where should I claim it. I don't see any appropriate item
to fill in.

thanks a bundle.

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Xiaodong Song wrote:

/   Mi Mi Sr.,
/
/   I am a PR now and I am filing 1040 this year. Is my tuition
/   tax-deductible or can I claim tax credit for it? If yes,
/   where should I claim it. I don't see any appropriate item
/   to fill in.
/
/   thanks a bundle.

If you are a degree candidate, probably YES. See Instructions for Form
1040A, pp. 24, scholarships and fellowship grants.

Mi Mi Sr.



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I think it means the so called Green card lottery program. It was introduced 
for Irish years ago, and later expanded for most European countries. It is up 
dated in Capital Hill these days to include more countries and regions. I was 
told Taiwan is included now. I don't know if mainland China is or not. The 
program allow people in certain countries to get Green card by lottery method.
Just FYI, contact your lawyer for detail.

Hua
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
s3c100ue@cs.ukans.edu wrote:

>Hi, I came across a piece of ad in newspaper.  It goes like this:

>DV-1 Greencard Program.  Sponsored by US Immigration.  Greencards provide
>US permanent resident status.  Citizens of almost all countries are
>allowed.  ... ...

>Does anybody know what this is?  Thanks.

>EU

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There were some argument about CSPA filing as dual status.  Does anyone
has idea how it is settled?

The argument came out when Mi Mi Sr. said that we can file dual status.
Some one came out and said that we cannot file as dual status because
we have no intention to leave US.

Someone has new comment?

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Could anybody help me to answer the following questions?
1. Can a LAD still take $5000 tax deduction if the lad keeps student
status?
2. If a LAD can deduct thsi $5000, can they file 1040EZ or they have to
use 1040NR?
Thanks a lot,

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Somebody asked about the greencard lottory program, here is the answer:


The AA-1 Immigrant Visa Lottery Program

1. Who qualifies for to request or apply  for registration ?
                        ----------------
Natives of the following countries :
Albania, Algeria, Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Czechoslovakia,
Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Guadaloupe, New Caledonia, Germany,
Great Britain, Northern Ireland, Bermunda, Gibraltar, Hungary, Iceland,
Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania,
Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, San Marino, Sweden,
Switzerland, Tunisia.

2. How and when ?
The application period for registration for the visa to be issued during
fiscal year 1992 will begin at 12:01 a.m. Washington D.C. time on
Wednesday, July 29,1992 and will end at 12:00 p.m. midnight on Friday,
August 28,1992. Application must be mailed to the following address :

AA-1 Program
P.O. Box 1992
Dulles, VA 21301-1993
U.S.A.

Typed or clearly printed at the upper left hand corner of the front of the
envelope must be the applicant's native country or area (from the list above).
Below the country must be the name and mailing address of the applicant as
they are shown on the application.

example 


       --------------------------------------------------------------
       | Northern Ireland                                 postage   |
       | George Q. Public                                           |
       | 1234 Any Street, Apt 5                                     |
       | Genter City, NJ 10001                                      |
       |                                                            |
       |                                                            |
       |                   AA-1 Program                             |
       |                   P.O. Box 1993                            |
       |                   DULLES, VA 21301-1993                    |
       |                   U.S.A.                                   |
       |____________________________________________________________|


3. Only one application may be submitted by or for each applicant during 
this registration period. Applictions for registration will be selected in
a random order from among all of those received during the specidied period.

4. Applications must be sent to the address above by regular mail or air
mail, and may be mail from within the United States or from abroad. Any
mail requiring signed receipts such as registered mail, hand-delivered
applications, telegrams or applications sent by courier or any other means
will NOT be eligible for the visa lottery. Applications received at the
post office box before or after the application period or delivered to
any other address will NOT be considered for registration. Only one 
application may be included in each envelope.

5. Size of envelope in which each application is mailed must be between
6 inches and 9.5 inces in length and between 3.5 inches and 4.5 inches in
width.

6. What information must be included on the application for registration?
There is no special application form. Simply use a sheet of paper and 
type or clearly print in the roman alphabet the following format :

a. Applicant's full name
   Last name, First name and Middle Name
   Underline last Name                      example : Public, George Quincy
   -------------------                                ------

b. Applicant's Date and place of birth
   Date of Birth: Day, Month Year.          example : 15 November 1961
   Place of Birth: City/Town, District/County,Province, Country  
          example : Toronto, Ontario, Canada
c. Name and date and place of birth of applicant's spouse and children
   if any
   Spouse and child does not need to be born in the same country
   child must be under 21 years of age and unmarried
   DO NOT list parents as they are not entitled to derivative status
d. Applicant's mailing address
   a telephone number is optional
e. United States Consular Office to which visa registration should be sent

7. Person who claim alternate foreign state chargeability should also include
                    =====================================
   a statement to that effect on the application.   Alternate foreign state
   chargeability will be explained later.

8. It is not necessary to include an offer of employment with the request
   for registration right now, but chosen applicants who will register for
   the AA-1 status will need to present an offer of employment in the
   U.S. at the time of formal visa interview. There is no fee for submission
   of request for registration, but a winning applicants who will register
   will need to pay a $25 registration fee when they turn in their registration 

9. How is term NATIVE defined ?
   Native means both someone born within one of the countries listed and 
   someone entitled to be charged to such country under the provisions of
   seciont 202(b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act. An applicant for
   AA-1 registration may be charged to the country of birth of a spouse;
   a child can be charged to the country of birth of a parent; and an 
   applicant born in a country of which neither parent was a native or a
   resident at the time of his/her birth may be charged to the country of
   birth of either parent. An applicant who claims the benefit of alternate
   chargeability must include a statement to that effect on the application
   for registration, and must show the country of chargeability on the
   upper left hand corner of the envelope in which the registration request
   is mailed.

10. Changes of boundaries of qualifying country :
   for a person to be considered to have been born in a qualifying country,
   the place of birth must be within the boundaries currently recognized
   by the U.S.

11. Applicant may be in the U.S. or in another country, application may be
   mailed in the U.S. or abroad.

12. Each applicant is limited to only 1 application

13. husband and wife may each submit one application/request for registration,
    if either is registered (chosen), the other would be entitled to 
    derivative status.

14. Applicants may prepare and submit their own request for registration,or
    have someone act on their behalf. Regardless of who submit the application,
    1 registration is limited per person.  There is no requirement that an
    applicatn sign the registration request. Only one notification letter
    will be sent for each case registered to the address on the application

15. an offer of employment should not be submitted as part of the request
    for registration. Applicants who are successfully registered for AA-1
    status will need to present an employment offer at the time of visa
    issuance. Applicants must submit evidence of a commitment for FULL-time
    employment in the U.S. at the visa interview. Two or more part-time jobs
    will meet this requirement if taken together, tehy constitute full-time
    employement, as long as the applicant submits letters from each employer
    supporting the job offer. The offer may come from a business or any
    other institution or organization in the United Staes, or from a private
    individual. Evidence of existing self-employment in the United Staes can
    meet the offer of the employment requirment; a plan to create one's own
    business in the futre, even in the immediate future, would not qualify,
    however.

16. How will cases be registered ?
all mail received will be individually numbered. After the end of the 
application period, a computer will randomly select cases from among all the
mail received. The first letter randomly selected will be the first case
registered, the second letter second, etc. It makes no difference whether
an  application is received early or late in the application period. When a
case has been registered, the applicant will immediately be sent a
notification letter, which will provide appropriate visa application 
instructions. The registration will at the same time be forwarded to the
consular office which will process the case; all subsequent visa processing
information will be obtained by the applicant directly from that consular
office

17. Applicatns who are NOT registered (did not win the lottery) will receive
no response to their registration request. Anyone who does NOT receive a
letter within 3 months after the application period will know that his/her
application has not been registered.

18. How many will be registered ?
A total of about 50,000 persons, both principal applicants and their spouses
and children will be registered. It is likely that some of the first 40,000
persons who are registered will not pursue their cases to visa issuance, this
larger number should ensure use of all AA-1 number, but it also risks some
registrants being left out. The law specifies that at least 40% (16,000) of
each year aa-1 visa are to made availabe to natives of Ireland.

19. there is no minimum age requirment, but the employment commitment 
requirement will effectively disqualify anyone who is under the legal 
working age.

20. a 25$ fee per case registered will be collected by the consular office 
to which the case is sent for processing, when the applicant responds to
the registration notification letter.

21. The law states that , for AA-1 visa applicants, the INS shall waive
the ground of visa ineligibility based on misrepresentation on an 
application for a visa or for entry into the US, unless there is a finding
that such waiver is not in the national interest. In addition, the law
automatically waives the two year foreign residence requiremnt on certain
former exchange visitor (j) visa holders under INA 212(e). Also the
requirement for a labor certification does not apply. In all other respects,
persons registered under the AA-1 program must meet the standard eligibility
requirements before a visa can be issued.

22. applicants who are already registered for an immigrant visa in another
category may apply for this registration . 

23. persons registered are entitled to apply for visa issuance ONLY during
fiscal year 1993. There is no carry-over benefit into another year for persons
who are registered but who do not obtain visas during FY-1993.


disclaimer :Neither I or the company is  responsible for any typo errors. 
for further information consult your immigration lawyer or call the INS office.
This is posted solely for your information, and neither I or the company 
bears any legal interest or responsibility for it. 





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| Could anybody help me to answer the following questions?
| 1. Can a LAD still take $5000 tax deduction if the lad keeps student
| status?

  If the LAD was not a PR during the year 1993, he/she can still enjoy the
  $5,000 tready deduction.  The IRS helpline answered this to me lately.

| 2. If a LAD can deduct thsi $5000, can they file 1040EZ or they have to
| use 1040NR?

  I used 1040EZ to file joint return (I got my PR last year).  This way I can
  use the $5,000 from my wife. :-)

| Thanks a lot,
| 

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My wife has got her approval letter from INS, but I am 

not going to sign off. What I want to say is thinking twice
before your sign off. This LAD-net gives us LAD related people
a big help. If your LAD has got approved, please share your 

experience and knowledge with others. We can also exchange
a lot of information here.
Good luck to everybody!

ping 

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Hi, for those who haven't received Green Card, there is a number you
can call: (214)655-1500.

BTW, does anyone know what form I-181 is?

Jonathan

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Hi, the number I posted before is the number of the Immigration Card Facility.
Those who have not received GC can call the number to check the status
of your card production. Please have your A# ready before you call.
Once again, the # is: (214)655-1500
Jon

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Thanks Pal.  I really think your posting made the point.  Sorry I may have
dispersed wrong info to all of you folks out there.  Although I told you what I
was told by the IRS helpline lady, I really cannot stick to that with your more
authoritive source (the IRS helpline lady sounded to me not very much familiar
with the alien filings, maybe she made a mistake which was cherished by me).

For single returns, what Zhou Chen had said is correct and directly applicable.
For joint returns, just a bit more corrected thinking to augment the principle
outlined by Zhou:
For a PR with a spouse which was not a PR during the past year, they can elect
to:
	1) The LAD spouse file 1040NR to claim the treaty deduction and U.S.
   	   exemption. 
	   The PR file 1040NR and form 8xxx for dual status filing to claim
	   partial treaty deduction and partial U.S. exemption.  And file
	   1040EZ to claim partial standard deduction and U.S. exemption.
	   (I may be wrong in the detail of this).
	   This is what is called married couple filing separately.
        2) The couple file 1040EZ jointly, claiming the combined amount allowed
   	   for a couple (standard deduction and exemption).  The amount this
	   year is $10,900 allowed.
	   This way, the LAD spouse cannot use the $5,000 treaty deduction
	   towards his/her part of income; the PR cannot use partial treaty
	   deduction as is possible if filing dual status.
	   Joint filing is allowed in this case because the PR can drag along
	   the LAD spouse filing jointly (refer to Publication 519 for
	   details).

For those married folks with LAD spouse (whom I believe are the main
constituents of this group), you may do a bit calculation on which way to
choose: 
Suppose your income is X, and your LAD spouse' income is Y:
	The taxable income under choice 1) is:
           X - <partial treaty deduction> - <partial standard deduction> 
	   - exemption
           + max((Y - 5,000), 0) - exemption
	The taxable income under choice 2) is:
           X + Y - 10,900

Therefore if your LAD spouse' reported income is not significant compared with
$5,000, choice 2) maybe your pick since you can claim all of your LAD spouse'
standard deduction and exemption compared with the choice one that you can only
claim your part of the partial treaty deduction, partial standard deduction,
and exemption (which I believe will be less than 10,900).

Thanks again, Pal!

Zhou Chen wrote:
| Hi, pal, I think you made a mistake.
| Last month in a seminar held by IRS in our university, the IRS person said
| that you cannot use $5000 deduction in any of 1040EZ, 1040A and 1040 because these forms are for PR or citizens, while tax treaty is for non-residence aliens.
| If you want to use $5000 deduction, you have to use 1040NR. Even if you want to file a dual-state tax return, you have to file both 1040NR for the $5000 in the 
| first half year and 1040EZ or 1040A for the second half year. For Lad, I think they should file 1040NR because they were not PR in 1993 and they can use the $5000 deduction. For PR(single, under CSPA), dual-state is a good way to file tax
| return, but you have to file 1040EZ and 1040NR(and another form called 8xxx, I 
| forgot the exact name). 

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>From last week's (or the week before last week) U.S. News and World Report,
there is a section on tax tips for 1993 tax filing.  It said that you can claim
your parents, children as dependent even if they don't live with you.  

A question on this:
Do family members in China qualify for the dependent claim?  If so, I believe
many of us can write off some additional amounts in the tax returns.  What are
the provisions to claim someone as dependents?  What proof is needed to show
the claim (if a tax audit is performed)?

Thanks for any replies!

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As tax return 1993, we have three choices:

1) Resident, 2) Non-Resident, 3) Dual-Status.

I just read an article on WJ. He says 2) is tricky because INS may think
you do not intend to stay in this country, and revoke your GC. 3) is possible
and IRS may not question but there is no garantee that you will safely getaway
with it. In other words, there is no clear line on if you may or may not use
it, it is "grey". 3) is the safest way to do things. 

I am suggesting that, you should carefuly weigh the profit and the risk before
you file. If it is not worth taking the risk, you had better do 3) for safety 
reasons.

BTW, this is probably the very first year for us to file tax return as a 
resident. Start with a good record is important for us. Besides, for some of 
us, we may claim some benefits, up to $2360 if our income is lower than
$23050. (Kids EIC is $1511, I will explore where the rest come from. This 
info comes with my utility bill). 

If you have a mistake, INS will keep picking you up for many years!

Mi Mi


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Mi Mi wrote:
| As tax return 1993, we have three choices:
| 
| 1) Resident, 2) Non-Resident, 3) Dual-Status.
| 
| I just read an article on WJ. He says 2) is tricky because INS may think
| you do not intend to stay in this country, and revoke your GC. 3) is possible

  I heard such sayings too.  Better stay away from this scheme for immigration
  purposes.  You tax filing record may be used later.  Don't embarrass yourself
  when the heat comes.

| and IRS may not question but there is no garantee that you will safely getaway
| with it. In other words, there is no clear line on if you may or may not use
| it, it is "grey". 3) is the safest way to do things. 

  Do you mean 1) is the safest way to do things?

| 
| I am suggesting that, you should carefuly weigh the profit and the risk before
| you file. If it is not worth taking the risk, you had better do 3) for safety 
| reasons.
  
  Again, is it 1)?  

| 
| BTW, this is probably the very first year for us to file tax return as a 
| resident. Start with a good record is important for us. Besides, for some of 
| us, we may claim some benefits, up to $2360 if our income is lower than
| $23050. (Kids EIC is $1511, I will explore where the rest come from. This 
| info comes with my utility bill). 

  What is the $2360? And does the income mean taxable income after all
  write-offs?  Or just the w-2 taxable income?

| 
| If you have a mistake, INS will keep picking you up for many years!

  This is for sure.  Better safe filing.  As just started, you may not take any
  risk to invite endless audits.

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sorrry for the typo:

   it, it is "grey". 3) is the safest way to do things. 
 ____________________| ->1)
   I am suggesting that, you should carefuly weigh the profit and the risk before
   you file. If it is not worth taking the risk, you had better do 3) for safety 
   ----------------------------------------------------------------| ->1)
   reasons.

   BTW, this is probably the very first year for us to file tax return as a 
   resident. Start with a good record is important for us. Besides, for some of 
   us, we may claim some benefits, up to $2360 if our income is lower than
   $23050. (Kids EIC is $1511, I will explore where the rest come from. This 
   info comes with my utility bill). 

   If you have a mistake, INS will keep picking you up for many years!

   Mi Mi



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Thanks for your corrections! I really meant 1) as you questioned. Sorry for 
the typo. The $23,050 means the total income. Otherwise you income will be
well over $30,000 and to be considered as a middle class.

Mi Mi Sr.

===============   Yi Guo wrote:================================

   Mi Mi wrote:
   | As tax return 1993, we have three choices:
   | 
   | 1) Resident, 2) Non-Resident, 3) Dual-Status.
   | 
   | I just read an article on WJ. He says 2) is tricky because INS may think
   | you do not intend to stay in this country, and revoke your GC. 3) is possible

     I heard such sayings too.  Better stay away from this scheme for immigration
     purposes.  You tax filing record may be used later.  Don't embarrass yourself
     when the heat comes.

   | and IRS may not question but there is no garantee that you will safely getaway
   | with it. In other words, there is no clear line on if you may or may not use
   | it, it is "grey". 3) is the safest way to do things. 

     Do you mean 1) is the safest way to do things?

   | 
   | I am suggesting that, you should carefuly weigh the profit and the risk before
   | you file. If it is not worth taking the risk, you had better do 3) for safety 
   | reasons.

     Again, is it 1)?  

   | 
   | BTW, this is probably the very first year for us to file tax return as a 
   | resident. Start with a good record is important for us. Besides, for some of 
   | us, we may claim some benefits, up to $2360 if our income is lower than
   | $23050. (Kids EIC is $1511, I will explore where the rest come from. This 
   | info comes with my utility bill). 

     What is the $2360? And does the income mean taxable income after all
     write-offs?  Or just the w-2 taxable income?

   | 
   | If you have a mistake, INS will keep picking you up for many years!

     This is for sure.  Better safe filing.  As just started, you may not take any
     risk to invite endless audits.


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Some time the IRS officer is not familiar with your case, and may give you
wrong info. But YOU ARE the person who is responsible for filing 1040??
Remembered I consulted an IRS officer at a community center when I first came
here. Then I did all what he told me for years after that. I went on without
any trouble until one day, IRS began to question me. It was the first time I
went through the treaty carefuly and picked up verses to defend myself. Finally
IRS agreed with my new argument and let me go. That means what the officer
had told me was wrong. If I had evaded tax, the punishment would be MINE, not 
his.

Be careful on this. Look out, guys!

Cheers!

Mi Mi Sr.


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Hi, there:

Does anyone knows the address for Goergia Senetor Sam Nunn?
Thanks in advance.

XL

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Hi, there:

    Just like many others lads who got a letter from local INS after
    interview, I got mine too. If you keep reading mails from lads-l,
    you should have known what the letter says. Good news is... ...

    I checked with my local INS today. The official said the letter
    means you have been approved. So, you got it.

    Congratulation to those who got the letter and good luck to those
    who are still working on it!

--------

Yin Lin
"An Object-Oriented Paradigm for Requirement Specifications"
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On Wed, 9 Mar 1994, Xihui Liang wrote:

> Hi, there:
> 
> Does anyone knows the address for Goergia Senetor Sam Nunn?
> Thanks in advance.

Sam Nunn
	303 Dirksen Senate Building
	Washington, DC 20510-1001



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Hi, Guys,

      Is there anyone from Memphis INS received something for LADS. It
      seems that a lot of LADS got approved already. 

      Thank you for your information.

Debang

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I got I-824 (filled for LAD in China) approved.  Does any person can 
tell me what will happen after that.  Who know the address of the 
consulate in Guangzhou?  Thank you!  

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Many people had questions about whether a TAship or RAship from graduate 
program can be treated as non-taxable scholarship in full under Sino-U.S. 
treaty.

The Sino-U.S. treaty states that payment for "personal service" has only
the first 5000 deductible. 

Now, is TAship or RAship a qualified-full-tax-exempt income or a 
payment-for-personal-service income?

In Pub. 519, U.S. Tax Guide for Alien, it states that: "You cannot 
exclude from income the portion of any scholarship or fellowship, 
including any tution reduction, that represents payment for teaching, 
research, or other services which the grantor requires as a condition 
for recieving the scholarship or fellowship. This is true even if all 
candidates for a degree are required to perform the services as a 
condition for recieving the degree." (in section "Scholarships and 
fellowship Grants", subtitle "Payment for services")

Also it states: "The rules discussed here apply to both resident and 
nonresident aliens" (in Section "Scholarships and Fellowship Grants")

So, literally, the followings are explicitly considered as "payment 
for services" by IRS rules, not as qualified full-tax-exempt income.

1) the stipend of TAship and RAship. 
2) the amount of tuitions reduced in exchange of doing RA or TA, even 
though you did see it at all.
3) the amount of tuitions paid by professor for you in exchange of doing 
RA or TA.

Please note that labeling a payment as a Scholarship or Fellowship doesn't
guarantee it being exempt from tax. The criterion is that whether it is a 
payment for services or not, in other words, whether there is any form of 
personal service associated with the payment as a requirement. The above 
quoted rules implies that only the part of the Scholarship or Fellowship 
that DOES NOT require any form of service (e.g. teaching, researching, 
etc.) can be tax exempt.

I hate this too. But if you want to know what the rule says. I think 
this is it.

I am not familiar with the exact context of the relevant provisions in 
Sino-US treaty. I hope someone would be able to overrule the IRS rules 
using the Sino-US treaty. The point you need to prove is this: You can 
cite article 20(b) to deduct the amount in full as long as a payment 
is labelled as Scholarship or Fellowship. (The reason that you only 
need prove this is that IRS rules do treat assistantship the same 
catogary as Scholarship)


YSZ

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From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Mar 10 11:16:15 1994
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Here is a relative complete answer to the "Dual-status" questions 
raised recently in the net. The info sources are authentic but the 
interpretations are personal. Please let me know if you have different 
interpreations.

I believe the approaches presented here are very safe. Doesn't matter 
which of the following status you end up with to file :
1) resident; 2) nonresident; 3) dual status

1) Source of information
========================
First of all, the rules set forth in Pub. 519, U.S. Tax Guide for Aliens, 
Chatper 1, define very clearly when and how you use dual-status 
for tax purposes.  I strongly recommend everybody in concern to read 
through the chapter very carefully at least once, especially for 
those who never had chance to look at it before. 

While you reading it, I would like to draw your attention to the 
following subjects which I think are most relevant to CSPA students 
as well as first year H-holders: 
	i) Figure A. Nonresident Alien or Resident Alien?
	ii) Exempt individual (under "Substaintial Presence Test" section)
	iii) Residency starting date (subtitle of "First Year of Residency" 
				under "Dual Status" section)


2) Some oversimplified conclusions
===================================
I have seen some people in the net somewhat conclusively say that:
'if you had H-1 longer than 183 days, you should file as dual status,'
or
'if you were a resident for part of the 1993, you should use dual 
status.'

Please do not pass along these sayings without discrimination. They are 
not necessary correct in many cases. Better yet, just forget about these 
conclusions and go to Pub. 519 for the correct answers.


3) The key is the "Residency staring date"
==========================================
To settle whether you CAN or CANNOT use dual status for tax purposes, 
the key is to figure out the "Residency starting date."  Note that 
this term is only meaningful for those people who are in their first 
year of residency (that is, 1993 is the first year they meet the 
criteria of either "Green Card Test" or "Substantial Presence Test"
 or both). 

The rule states: "If you are a U.S. resident for any calendar year, 
but you were not a U.S. resident at any time during the preceding 
calendar year,  you are a U.S. resident only for the part of the 
calendear year that begins on the RESIDENCY STARTING DATE. Before 
that date, you are a non-resident alien." (from Pub. 519, Chapter 1,
 "Dual status" section)

Let me point out the important point implied by the above rule:

If your residency starting date is 1/1/93, then your nonresident 
alien period for 1993 is ZERO. This means that you practically 
become a resident alien for the entire year of 1993 for tax purposes, 
and CANNOT use dual status.


4) How to determine this 'residency staring date"
==================================================
So, how do you figure out your RESIDENCY STARTING DATE?? Here is the 
the rules defined by IRS: (for more complete definition and procedures, 
please see Pub. 519, Chapter 1, and "Dual status" section, 
subtitle "First Year of Residency")

i) If you meet the "Substantial Presence Test", the RESIDENCY STARTING DATE 
is the first date you are present in the States.

ii) If you meet the "Green Card Test," the RESIDENCY STARTING DATE is the
first date you become a lawful Permanent Resident. (see 5) for more)

iii) If you meet the "Green Card Test" AND the "Substantial Presence Test,"
the RESIDENCY STARTING DATE is the EARLIER date determined from i) and 
ii).


5) What date is your first day as PR?
=====================================
If you applied PR on 7/1/93, got the approval notice on 9/25/93, and 
received your green card on 12/5/93, what is your first date as PR?
It is printed on the back of your green card. For example, I have "EC6 
EAC 930927 245 32....", then the starting date for this is 9/27/93.
I confirmed this with INS officer recently.


6) My conclusions
=================
Now, no matter what situtation you have, first thing you have to do is 
find out what was your residency starting date in 1993. Then:
 
If your residency starting date turn out to be 1/1/93, then you 
CANNOT use dual status to file. You can only file as resident alien for 
the entire year of 1993.

If your residency starting date is other than 1/1/93, then you CAN file 
as dual status. For illustrations purposes, let us suppose your 
residency starting date was determined as 8/3/93. In this case, your 
file as a nonresident alien for the period before 8/3/93, and you file 
as a resident alien for the period after 8/3/93.

5) Case illustrations
=====================
 
Case 1:  
-------
Mr. Z was an F-1 student since 1/1/93, on 7/1/93, he applied PR under CSPA. 
He got green card with "XXX XXX 930901 XXX XXX..." printed on the back of 
the card. He didn't leave U.S. for any single day during 1993.

Analysis:
---------
Mr. Z met the "Green Card Test," no doubt about this. His residency 
starting date was then 9/1/93. He doesn't meet the "Substantial 
Presence Test," since there were less than 183 days (!!!) between 9/1/ 
and 12/31/93. (the days as an F, J, M student don't count, see 
"exempt individual", Chapter 1, in Pub. 519). This means he CAN file as 
dual satuts. 

Case 2:
-------
Mr. Y was an F-1 student since 1/1/93. He became H-1B starting 5/1/93. He
didn't leave U.S. for any single day during 1993.

Analysis:
---------
Mr. Y doesn't meet the "Green Card Test". But he met the "Substantial
Presence Test", since the days when he was an H-holder were more than 183
days. (The days as an F, J, M student don't count, see Pub. 519). So his 
residency starting date was 1/1/93, because he was in U.S. starting 1/1/93. 
He also has to fill as a resident alien for the entire 1993, not 
as dual status.

Thanks for sharing your time.

YSZ


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	It is a good question. None of LADs here have heard anything from 
Memphis. I am wondering how INS divides the visa quota allocations. Is this
just because they are slow or INS unevenly divides the quota by district ?

	Has anybody tryed to call INS, Memphis office yet ?

Wang
 
> Hi, Guys,
> 
>       Is there anyone from Memphis INS received something for LADS. It
>       seems that a lot of LADS got approved already. 
> 
>       Thank you for your information.
> 
> Debang
> 


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Mar 10 11:30:42 1994
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According to IRS regulation, the dependents you can claim for your tax 
deduction have to have social security number (unless he/she is a infant
less than 1 years old). And there is a citizenship requirement for dependents
other than spouse and children, i.e. they have to be a US (include permanent 
resident), Mexican or Canadian citizen. But I know some fellow Chinese claimed 
their parents who were visiting them and have SSN as dependents for the tax
purpose and had no trouble yet. Take your own risk if you want go this way.
I don't think one can claim his parents in China as dependents for tax 
deduction at all. You can FTP tax infor package from IFCSS.ORG.

Just my nonprofessional opinion, for you information only, not serve as legal
advice.

Hua
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>From last week's (or the week before last week) U.S. News and World Report,
>there is a section on tax tips for 1993 tax filing.  It said that you can claim
>your parents, children as dependent even if they don't live with you.  

>A question on this:
>Do family members in China qualify for the dependent claim?  If so, I believe
>many of us can write off some additional amounts in the tax returns.  What are
>the provisions to claim someone as dependents?  What proof is needed to show
>the claim (if a tax audit is performed)?

>Thanks for any replies!

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anybody wants to make a LAD status list for various
local INS?

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Congratulations to those LADs who have already had approval or even G.C.!

My LADs passed interview last Nov. with Newark INS and were told to wait for 
visa number. We haven't heard anything since.

Yesterday I called INS Card Facility to see if people there had already get 
something about my LADs from the Newark INS. The automated system told me 
that my LADs' first copy (copy a)  of the Form I-181 had been received,  
but to start manufacture the G.C. they need to receive the approval copy 
(copy c) of the Form I-181 (copy c) and Form I-89 (finger print). My LADs' 
I-89s were done during the interview.

Could someone  shed some light on the functions of the each copy of the Form  
 I-181? Does LAD living in New Jersey get anything from Newark INS after interview?

Your information is highly appreciated!


Z. Zhang

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Hi there,

  My husband is a lad, and he got a letter from San Antonio INS
last week asking him to do the final processing for his card on Mar. 23.
He has already done fingerprints during his interview last Oct.
I guess INS wants him to do it again. I know there are other lads
in Austin, Texas who have not received the recent letter from INS.

 I accidentally deleted the mail that has the INS Card Facility number.
Could someone forward me a copy of that mail?

Thanks,

HHY

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Congratulations to all LADs who have had approval!
I ask lawyer to take care my LAD's I-485. Could you please send some suggestion that it is worth to ask lawyer to take care interview? it is $100.
Some questions are:
1. What documents I should prepare.
2. What questions the INS asks?
3. What problems may be faced with?
Your information is highly appreciated!
S.H.

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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information. If anyone thinks this
bothered you, please let me know and I will stop doing this.

ping


Denver,      Colorado  : most(?) LAD got approval letters
Newyork City           : no one (?) got letters   

San Antonio, Texas     : send approval letters to certain people

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	Hi, Everybody:

	Nowadays, everybody is talking about getting an approval notice
	for his/her LAD(s). However, it's only for those lucky guys with 
	priority date of July, 1. 

	Does anyone have any ideal what the distribution of priority date
	for all CSPAers with LADs looks like? Am I the only one with a 
	late priority date? 

	The distribution is extremely useful. It helps the unlucky people 
	here --- with late priority dates, to estimate when they might get 
	their approval notices.(How well the prediction goes depends on
	how much information we gather.) It can make a lot of people's 
	life easier --- Think about it: You know roughly when you are expecting 
	your Green card to come while you are waiting. 

	I'd certainly like to initiate the effort to make a distribution of
	priority dates for CSPAers who have LADs. Would you please help me
	on that? --- Since this net has been operated in such a friendly way,
	I'm counting on your helps. It's very improtant to have the people
	who have July 1 priority date to participate in. 
	For people with July 1 priority date: PLEASE HELP THE PEOPLE WITH
	LATER PRIORITY DATES BY LETTING ME KNOW YOU PRIORITY DATE.
	

	Could you ALL take 2 minutes to fill out the following lines and send 
	back to me? My e-mail address is:

			zhu@d0sf24.fnal.gov
	
	Thank you very much in advance.

	Best regards,
	Q.Zhu

----------Please fill in the following lines--------------------------------

************Survey of the priority dates of CSPAers with LADs**************
	Priority date:
	Number of LADs with you: 
	Home state:
	INS office with judiciary over your case:
***************************************************************************

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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information. If anyone thinks this
bothered you, please let me know and I will stop doing this.

ping



   Local INS	       : 	Status
================================================================
Denver,      Colorado  : most(?) LAD got approval letters
Detroit area           : 'many' LAD got approval letters
Honolulu, Hawaii       : no one (?) got letters
Los Angeles, California: someone has got approval letter
New York City          : no one (?) got letters   

San Antonio, Texas     : send approval letters to certain people


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I found this information by YSZ very clear and helpful.

I have some info and questions that I want to share with you




On March 8, a person representing IRS was invited by the CHINA CENTER at
the University of Minnesota to give a talk on Dual-Status filing
reguarding Chinese students. The main idea we got are:

(1) if 1993 is the 6th year that you are in US as a student(F,J,M),
    you have to file as US resident. (3rd year for non-student).

        I remember if you are a int'l student, you should always file
        1040NR no matter what. So where does this 5-year-only exampt 
        status come from?

(2) if you have GREEN CARD( or been a H-1, or both) for more than 183
    days in 1993, you have to file as resident for all 1993.

(3) only those who was in US later than 1/1/1989, have GREEN CARD for less
    than 183 days in 1993 can file dual-status.

===========================================
BUT there is one major confusion at the March 8th meeting, the IRS person
said repeatedly that the GREEN CARD test means you HAVE your GREEN CARD!
not just your I-485 approval notice. 

I am a CSPA priciple who has not received the CARD as of today, the IRS
person told me directly 3 time that I have to file 1040NR for 1993.

I think this is a big question mark. could anybody tell me where can I
clarify this? because some netters said filing as NR is risky.  



Dabin Zhu
U of Minn.


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>From:	MX%"liu@csgrad.cs.vt.edu" 10-MAR-1994 12:40:33.84
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> 
> Many people had questions about whether a TAship or RAship from graduate 
> program can be treated as non-taxable scholarship in full under Sino-U.S. 
> treaty.
> 
> The Sino-U.S. treaty states that payment for "personal service" has only
> the first 5000 deductible. 
> 
> Now, is TAship or RAship a qualified-full-tax-exempt income or a 
> payment-for-personal-service income?
> 
> In Pub. 519, U.S. Tax Guide for Alien, it states that: "You cannot 
> exclude from income the portion of any scholarship or fellowship, 
> including any tution reduction, that represents payment for teaching, 
> research, or other services which the grantor requires as a condition 
> for recieving the scholarship or fellowship. This is true even if all 
> candidates for a degree are required to perform the services as a 
> condition for recieving the degree." (in section "Scholarships and 
> fellowship Grants", subtitle "Payment for services")
> 
> Also it states: "The rules discussed here apply to both resident and 
> nonresident aliens" (in Section "Scholarships and Fellowship Grants")
> 
> So, literally, the followings are explicitly considered as "payment 
> for services" by IRS rules, not as qualified full-tax-exempt income.
> 
> 1) the stipend of TAship and RAship. 
> 2) the amount of tuitions reduced in exchange of doing RA or TA, even 
> though you did see it at all.
> 3) the amount of tuitions paid by professor for you in exchange of doing 
> RA or TA.
> 
> Please note that labeling a payment as a Scholarship or Fellowship doesn't
> guarantee it being exempt from tax. The criterion is that whether it is a 
> payment for services or not, in other words, whether there is any form of 
> personal service associated with the payment as a requirement. The above 
> quoted rules implies that only the part of the Scholarship or Fellowship 
> that DOES NOT require any form of service (e.g. teaching, researching, 
> etc.) can be tax exempt.
> 
> I hate this too. But if you want to know what the rule says. I think 
> this is it.
> 
> I am not familiar with the exact context of the relevant provisions in 
> Sino-US treaty. I hope someone would be able to overrule the IRS rules 
> using the Sino-US treaty. The point you need to prove is this: You can 
> cite article 20(b) to deduct the amount in full as long as a payment 
> is labelled as Scholarship or Fellowship. (The reason that you only 
> need prove this is that IRS rules do treat assistantship the same 
> catogary as Scholarship)
> 
> 
> YSZ
> 
The exact words used in Sino-US tax treaty article 20(b) are "grants and
awards".  Do you count TA/RA as awards?  Many offer letters do state that
you have been AWARDED so-and-so-assistantship.  So one can only conclude 
that it's yet another gray area subject to interpretation.  I remember
reading about the explanation given by a folk at Oregon State, who said
he/they contacted the people who participated in the treaty negotiation
and the participants considered TA/RA as awards though the treaty itself
used rather vague wording.
  


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When you finally determined that you CAN use dual status to file, you 
may ask:
1) How to file? and
2) Do I really want to do that? (because you have the option to file as 
resident alien for the whole year)


How to file
===========
Note: Since Form 1040A and 1040EZ are mere the simplified version of 
Form 1040, they do not present any crucial difference in many cases. 
I'll use only 1040 when refering to resident alien in the following 
text for illustration purposes.

a) forms
--------
Two major forms needed: Form 1040NR, Form1040.
Write "Dual-Status Return" across the top of the Form 1040, and
Write "Dual-Status Statement" across the top of the Form 1040NR. Notice 
the difference in two. (from section "Form To File", Chapter 6, Pub 
519).

b) Divide your gross income
--------------------------
Divide your income into two parts:

-the first is the amount you received during the time BEFORE the 
'residency starting date' (see my previous post, "Dual status 
or Resident alien"), this is your income as a non-resident alien, 
let's call it 'non-resident income' for convienece; 

-the second is the amount you got during the time AFTER 
the 'residency starting date,' let us call it 'resident income'. 

c) On 1040NR  form
------------------
Use the 'non-resident income' to file 1040NR.  Apply Sino-US tax treaty 
only to the 'non-resident income.' You CAN deduct up to 5000 in full if 
this part of income excesses 5000. (confirmed by IRS helpline) But if 
your 'non-resident income' is less than 5000, say only 3000, you CANNOT 
deduct another 2000 from the 'resident income' to make it up to 5000. 
This is right to say that this 2000 deduction is wasted in this case.

Do not calculate any tax on 1040NR, this is just a statement, remember?
It shows how much you are paid, how much you quoted from treaty, etc.

d) On 1040 form
---------------
add up you 'resident income' and the taxable income determined from 
1040NR and put use the sum to file 1040 form. Then you forget about form 
1040NR and go through all the precedures specified for 1040 filing.

Calculate the total tax on 1040.

e) Tax refund
-------------
If you got tax refund in 1993 form 1992 return, it may be taxable.
Here is how you judge it: if you itemized state and local tax withheld 
when you filed 1992 1040NR, then the refund is taxable, otherwise not.

If it is taxable, this amount goes to Form 1040NR (1993) IN FULL, 
because that was your income in 1992(!) as a non-resident alien. It may 
make a difference if your 'non-resident income' is slightly less than 
5000. 

f) Interest from bank
---------------------
Technically, you have to divide the interest from bank into two parts 
in the same way as you did for you gross income (see b) above). 
Put the part that you got in nonresident period on Form 1040NR and 
the rest on Form 1040. But if it will NOT reduce you tax when you 
put them ALL on 1040, you can do that and save some work.

g) Medical and dental expenses
------------------------------
The good thing about 1040 Form is that you have chance to itemize your 
medical and dental expenses on Schedule A. But you can only itemize the 
amount you paid (and charged to your credit card) during the part 
of 1993 you are a resident alien.

h) Exemptions
--------------
on 1040 form:
As a dual status taxpayer, "..., you can claim exepmtions for your 
spouse and dependents when you figure taxable income for the part of the 
year you are a resident alien." (from page 26, under "Exemptions", 
Chapter 6, Pub 519).

on 1040NR form:
No. (Pub. 519, Chapter 6, section "Illustration of Dual-Status Return)

i) Standard Deduction
---------------------
on 1040 form:
zero! see Form 1040.

j) itemize deduction
--------------------
on 1040 Form:
Yes!! (page. 26, "Restrictions for Dual-Status Taxpayers", Chapter 6, 
Pub. 519)

on 1040NR Form:
Yes!! (Pub. 519, Chapter 6, section "illustration of Dual-Status 
Return")

k) Restrictions
---------------
One fellow had a post earlier. He is correct. (also see Pub. 519, 
Chapter 6, "Restrictions for Dual-Status Taxpayers")



Do You Really Want To File as Dual Status?
==========================================

If your are a dual status taxpayer, you can elect to file as resident 
alien for the whole year. Do you want to do that?

No clear-cut answer here. The tax law allow you choose whatever is 
better for you when you have more than one LAWFUL options. So, do your 
own homework and figure out which way you will pay LESS tax.

YSZ

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Mr. Z was an F-1 student since 1/1/93, on 7/1/93, he applied PR under CSPA.
He got green card with "XXX XXX 930901 XXX XXX..." printed on the back of
the card. He didn't leave U.S. for any single day during 1993.

Analysis:
---------
Mr. Z met the "Green Card Test," no doubt about this. His residency
starting date was then 9/1/93. He doesn't meet the "Substantial
Presence Test," since there were less than 183 days (!!!) between 9/1/
and 12/31/93. (the days as an F, J, M student don't count, see
"exempt individual", Chapter 1, in Pub. 519). This means he CAN file as
dual satuts.

*************************************************************************
 	From the paragraph above, do you mean for all people who got PR
under the CSPA can file as dual status? As most of them got PR after Sept. 1,
1993, and are or were J, or F student before that time, they can meet the 
PR test, but do not meet the "substantial present test". Am I right?


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Dear Mi Mi Sir

I am trying to find ways to solve my lads problem. From previous
mail I find that there is a INS cable log called lads-l and you told 
some one to ftp that log from spike. I ftp into spike today and
could not find that file. Can you tell me how to find that file?

Your help is greatly appreciated

David Wang
dwang@iphase.com
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there is a list compiled by some phil at spike, you may ftp it and add
something to it!

Mi Mi Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 13:09:55 CST
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   This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
   I have time and get new information. If anyone thinks this
   bothered you, please let me know and I will stop doing this.

   ping


   Denver,      Colorado  : most(?) LAD got approval letters
   Newyork City           : no one (?) got letters   

   San Antonio, Texas     : send approval letters to certain people


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   You can ftp to 132.249.229.100 and go to directory

   pub/InfoBase/CSPA to get all files related with CSPA.


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A lot of discussions now on the lads-l, it seems it is going to be tax-l..

I had successfully persuaded IRS to believe all my income from school is
tax-exempt, because they were from governmental, scientific and educational
institutions, when IRS picked me up for my poorly filed, error overflooded
tax return.

I wrote to the IRS " Since I am a citizen of  the People's Republic of 
China, and is a student present in the United States solely to obtain 
education, I am exempted from U.S. income tax since my incomes were 
grants and rewards from government, scientific, educational or other 
tax-exempt organizations. "

I believe, RAship is from grants, although it is not granted directly to 
you(otherwise it is impoosible for you to get research grant), TA is a 
service, but it is through educational institution, so it is grey!

Also, US-Sino Tax-Treaty should be able to override IRS rules. Treaty is
signed by Federal Government, IRS is under the Federal Government. So the 
Treaty has the final say.

I believe that was why the IRS finally gave in on my case. Confrontation
sometimes is tricky and risky, but, if you have the law on your side, IRS
will understand!

Anyway I decide to file as resident, thanks for everybody who shared their
valuable information!

Mi Mi Sr.


Following is the wording from the Publication 901(Rev. Nov. 1992), page 13:

A student, business apprentice or trainee who is a resident of the 
People's Republic of China on the date of arrival in the United States 
and who is present in the United States solely for the purpose of his 
education, training or obtaining special technical experience is exempt 
U.S. income tax on the following amounts:
	(a) Payments received from abroad for the purpose of his 
maintenance, education, study, research or training; 
	(b) grants or rewards from a government, scientific, educational 
or other tax exempt organization; and
	(c) Income from personal services performed in that Contracting 
State in an amount not excess of 5,000 United States dollars or its 
equivalent in Chinese Yuan for each taxable year. 
	The benefits under this Article shall extend only for such 
period of time as is reasonably necessary to complete the education 
or training. 


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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information.

ping


   Local INS	       : Status (received approval letters or not)
================================================================
Chicago                : no   (no one?)
Denver, Colorado       : yes  (most people)
Detroit area           : yes  (many people)
Honolulu, Hawaii       : no   (no one?)
Houston, Texas         : yes  (some people)
Los Angeles, California: yes  (some people)
New York City          : no   (no one? some got interview letters)
San Antonio, Texas     : yes  (certain people)
St. Paul-Minneapolis   : yes  (some people)

   





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the files are logged as they come in. They are kept as whole months collection
files. The cable, I think, is around Oct. or so. Just ftp each one and do
word search, and you can get it!
Mi Mi 
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   Dear Mi Mi Sir

   I am trying to find ways to solve my lads problem. From previous
   mail I find that there is a INS cable log called lads-l and you told 
   some one to ftp that log from spike. I ftp into spike today and
   could not find that file. Can you tell me how to find that file?

   Your help is greatly appreciated

   David Wang
   dwang@iphase.com
   (214)919-9332

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There are three CSPA related sites: ifcss.org, cnd.org, as well as 
spike.rice.edu.

The later has much to do with lads.

Mi Mi Sr.



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The following is a message I have got. Just forwarded to the net
with the names deleted.


Mi Mi Sr.









For those who have children with low income, file as a resident
will benifit a lot if you file Form EIC (Earned Income Credit).
The condition of file EIC is:

1. You must have some earned income, that means you worked during
    1993.
2. You must have at least one child LIVE with you. (I don't think
   those people have child in China qualify for this).
3. If your income (the whole family) is lower than $23050.

You can get as much as about $2300 (I don't have the form with
me so I don't know the exact number) as eraned income credit.

The credit can come from 3 ways:
1. Basice credit: it can be as much as about $1400 if you have
   one child and $1511 if you have more than 2 children.
2. If you paid health insurance include at least one the children.
   I don't remember the exact credit you can get.
3. If your child was born in 1993, you will get extra credit. Again,
   since my son was not born in 1993, I did not pay any attention
   to how much you can get.

You must use 1040 or 1040A to file EIC. (One suggestion, althought
1040EZ is short and easy, you may not get as much benifit as the
the other forms).

In my case, I filed as resident and paid less tax than I filed as
student last year. (I cannot file as a student anyway).

I filed as the head of the household (my husband is in China), and
got $5650 (about that amount, again I don't remember exactly)
standard deduction. I also filed EIC and got $250 credit (my son
lived with me in 1993). This $250 is regarded as tax I paid to
IRS. In my case I have over $20,000 income in 1993. For those
who are students work part time (you must work legally), maybe
IRS will give you some money (can be more than the tax withheld).
If you are not sure about this, I suggest you go to tax office
to have some specialist file the tax reture for you. You pay
only about $20-30 and get much more back.

godd luck.




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Hi, the number I posted before is the number of the Immigration Card Facility.
Those who have not received GC can call the number to check the status
of your card production. Please have your A# ready before you call.
Once again, the # is: (214)655-1500
Jon


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It is the discussion regarding part of D.B. Zhu's question:

Why can international student be a non-resident alien taxpayer for only 
5 years?

This 5-year saying is from IRS rules. Every year you file tax return 
form, you ought to check your filing status by going through the so 
called "Green card test" and "Substantial Presence test." 

183 days
--------
When you do the "Substantial Presence Test", you count days of present 
in the States. You will be considered as a resident alien if your 
total days of present in the States are at least 183 days. (not complete 
definition, for accuracy, see Pub. 519)

Exempt individuals
------------------
The rules state that a student with "F,J, or M" visa is considered as 
"exempt individual" for this day-counting purposes. The days that you  
are in the States as an "exempt indiviual" are not counted when you do 
the "substantial presence test." 

That's why you can still be a non-resident alien taxpayer 
even though you actually domiciled in US for the entire year, because 
you do not meet the "Substantila Presence Test" after excluded the days as 
"exempt individual."

Limitation
----------
The 5-year limit comes from here. The rule says that "You will not be 
an exempt individual if you have been as a ..., or student for any part 
of more than 5 calendar years unless you establish to the satisfaction 
of the IRS district director that you ..." (from page 5, Pub. 519, 
Chapter 1)

If your stay as "exempt individual" are invalid, then you will certainly 
meet the "Substantial Presence Test" and become a resident alien. The 
result is that you cannot cite Sino-US treaty anymore.


Caution
-------
You will notice that there is a line on Form 8843 asking whether you 
have been a student for more than five years. Now you should know what 
IRS is looking for from this information. Be alert and don't be trapped.

YSZ


For Zhu's info: I found that the notice date printed on my approval 
letter is 9/28/93 and the starting date printed on my green card 
is XXX XXX 930927 XXX XXX... This indicates that the first day of PR is 
generally determined by the approval date. No comment about how you 
should file.

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 Is there anybody please to give me some idea about the e-mail adress of job    hunting when a student finish his/her Ph.D. programe and want to find a job here
Thank you in advance.
I am really appreciated for any response from you. 

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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information.

ping


   Local INS	       : Status (received approval letters or not)
================================================================
Baltimore              : yes  (some)
Boston, MA	       : no   (no one?)
Chicago                : yes  (at least one)
Denver, Colorado       : yes  (most people)
Detroit area           : yes  (many people)
Honolulu, Hawaii       : yes  (waiting for visa numbers)
Houston, Texas         : yes  (some people)
Los Angeles, California: yes  (some people)
New York City          : no   (no one? some got interview letters)
Pittsiburg	       : no   (no one?)
San Antonio, Texas     : yes  (certain people)
St. Albans, VT	       : no   (no one?)
St. Paul-Minneapolis   : yes  (some people)

   





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Gee, zhuxx012@maroon.tc.umn.edu wrote:
On March 8, a person representing IRS was invited by the CHINA CENTER at
the University of Minnesota to give a talk on Dual-Status filing
reguarding Chinese students. The main idea we got are:
(2) if you have GREEN CARD( or been a H-1, or both) for more than 183
    days in 1993, you have to file as resident for all 1993.
which CSPA can have GC for 183 days in 1993?

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>did you really mean 1) ?

Yes, sorry for the typo.

I believe, Sino-US treaty overrides the IRS rule. The treaty says "reasonable
time", which, overrides the so called the 5 year something. But it also states
"the sole purpose", which, once you applied PR, you are never covered any more.
When you are within the time span defined by Treaty "reasonable", your purpose
is "solely for your education (including trainning)", and your income is from 
the described sources, then you are tax-free, or otherwise have $5,000 
deduction. Treaty is a bilateral thing, it gives US counterparts the same 
rights to do so in China. Just imagine any US Students and Scholars are now
doing the same thing China!


Mi Mi 
======================
ych@*.***.EDU wrote


   Thanks Mi Mi about your info on tax return.  It is very helpful.

   You talked nothing about the difference of 1) Resident and 3) Dual-Status.
   When you said 3) is the safest, did you really mean 1) ?

   CH@ENH.NIST.GOV wrote:
   I read Publication 519 and it stated:
   You are a resident for tax purposes if you are a lawful permanent resident
   of the United States AT ANY TIME during the calender year.
   I also read this on 1040NR on the section of GC test.  When 1040NR talked
   about dual-status, it explicitly said that dual-status does not apply to
   those who pass the two test(see the begining of the section for dual-status).
   Don't you think that exclude CSPA from filing 1040NR?

   Do you know if scholarship is still nontaxable when filing 1040NR?

   Thanks again.




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Please wait for receiving  the letter from the Consulate in Guangzhou. After
that, you will know the address and return your letter to it. Please do not
worry about the future.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Mar 11 09:29:56 1994
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Hello,

While some lads have received approval and others talking about TAX,
I am still waiting for my Card.  I'm a CSPA principal.

Thanks to the person who posted the phone #.  I made a call and found
that there is a problem with my card.  The operator told me that
because the I-81 and I-89 forms are not match, the case was sent back
to the local INS on January 18.  But I have got nothing from local INS
-- Baltimore INS.

My question is (1) what are I-81 and I-89 forms?  (2) What should I do
now?  Simply wait or go ask the local INS?

Thank you.

P.S.  My LAD has got nothing up to now.
........................................................
.  Fenggang Yang, The Catholic University of America  ..
.  Internet: 54yang@cua.edu       BITNET: 54YANG@CUA  ..
.  FAX: (U.S.) 202-319-6267                           ..
........................................................

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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information.

ping


   Local INS	       : Status (received approval letters or not)
================================================================
Atlanta                : yes  (most people)
Baltimore              : yes  (some people)
Boston, MA	       : no   (no one?)
Chicago                : yes  (at least one)
Denver, Colorado       : yes  (most people)
Detroit area           : yes  (many people)
Philadelphia           : ?    (waiting for visa numbers)
Honolulu, Hawaii       : ?    (waiting for visa numbers)
Houston, Texas         : yes  (some people)
Los Angeles, California: yes  (some people)
Maryland               : yes  (most people)
Memphis                : no   (no one?)
New York City          : no   (no one? some got interview letters)
Pittsiburg	       : no   (no one?)
Sacramento, CA	       : no   (no one?)
San Antonio, Texas     : yes  (certain people)
St. Albans, VT	       : no   (no one?)
St. Paul-Minneapolis   : yes  (some people)

   

One question here:
If you have received your approval letter, does that 

mean you have got visa number?



From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Mar 11 10:01:38 1994
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Dear Friends:

I got about twenty messages shortly after I sent out a message about 
accumulating the priority date distribution for Lads. I'd like to thank the
people who responded quickly and encourage those people who haven't replied 
to take a few minutes to send me a message. Please send me the following 
information:
(If you have sent me your information, please sit back and relax. You don't
need to send me again. Thanks.)

************Survey of the priority dates of CSPAers with LADs**************
        Priority date:
        Number of LADs with you:
        Home state:
        INS office with judiciary over your case:
***************************************************************************

The first round result is appended at the end of this message. It is quite 
amazing that the priority date is so sharply peaked at July 1, 1993. About
80% LADs have July 1 priority date. This sharp peak indicates that the 
distribution is important not only to people with priority date later than 
July 1, 1993, but also to people with July 1, 1993 priority date. We all 
know that the annual quota for EB3 is 2500. Assuming there are 8000 LADs, 
there are more than 6000 LADs with July 1, 1993 priority date. It takes more 
than two years to cover these people first. 

Since the statistics is quite low, the result has very large error --- I even
didn't bother to work it out.  I need YOUR help to provide more accurate 
information to you. Please participate in this survey. You may also collect 
information for the people who don't have computer access to me. 

To ensure there there is no bias on the distribution, it's very improtant
for EVERYBODY whos has LADS to participate in this survey. 

For the Lads who already got approval notice: You are very luck. Please give
others a little bit help while you are enjoy your new status.  


Best regards,
Q.Zhu
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

	-----------------------------------------------
	*****Priority Date distribution for  LADs*****
	-----------------------------------------------
	Priority Date	Total # of LADS	    Percentage
	-----------------------------------------------
	July 1, 1993		18		78%			
	July 2, 1993		3		13%
	July 3, 1993		1		4%
	July 16,1993		1		4%
	-----------------------------------------------
	  Total:		23		
	-----------------------------------------------

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>   CH@ENH.NIST.GOV wrote:
>   I read Publication 519 and it stated:
>   You are a resident for tax purposes if you are a lawful permanent resident
>   of the United States AT ANY TIME during the calender year.
>   I also read this on 1040NR on the section of GC test.  When 1040NR talked
>   about dual-status, it explicitly said that dual-status does not apply to
>   those who pass the two test(see the begining of the section for dual-status).

	This may not be true, it is conflicting with what Pub. 519
has defined. You may have to double check the exact wording in 
both place carefully.

YSZ

>   Don't you think that exclude CSPA from filing 1040NR?

	CSPA STUDENTS (not others) should only meet GC test, but not the 
substantial presence test. (see earlier post "dual status or resident alien")	

>  Do you know if scholarship is still nontaxable when filing 1040NR?

	As has been discused in the lads net, it is a risk business. Take
your own responsibilty. BUT, if you claim RA as nontaxable SCH on 1040NR, 
be sure you report the rest as scholarship too on 1040.
	It is just a self-consistent issue, not a safe-shelter. Risk is still
yours.

YSZ


	


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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information. Thanks for everyone's help!

ping


   Local INS	       : Status (received approval letters or not)
================================================================
Atlanta                : yes  (most people)
Baltimore              : yes  (some people)
Boston, MA	       : no   (no one?)
Chicago                : yes  (at least one)
Denver, Colorado       : yes  (most people)
Detroit area           : yes  (many people)
Honolulu, Hawaii       : ?    (waiting for visa numbers)
Houston, Texas         : yes  (some people)
Los Angeles, California: yes  (some people)
Maryland               : yes  (most people)
Memphis                : no   (no one?)
New York City          : no   (no one? some got interview letters)
Norfolk, VA            : yes
Pittsiburg	       : no   (no one?)
Philadelphia           : ?    (waiting for visa numbers)
Sacramento, CA	       : no   (no one?)
San Antonio, Texas     : yes  (certain people)
St. Albans, VT	       : no   (no one?)
St. Paul-Minneapolis   : yes  (some people)
Wichita, Kansas        : yes  (almost half)

   

One question here:
If you have received your approval letter, does that 

mean you have got visa number?

Somebody has given the positive answer!

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Begin forwarded message:

Date:         Fri, 11 Mar 94 13:54:08 EST
>From: cao <CAXHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
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To: ping@summit.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu
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GOOD NEWS FOR EVERYBODY. THE CUTTING OFF DATE OF APRIL IS STILL  JULU  
2,1993!


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As my previous experience and understanding, when you receive the approval
notice of Form 824 application from INS, the Consulate in Guangzhou will
receive it from INS, too. After some time, the Consulate will send you a
contacting letter and ask some information about your relative in China. At
that time, you can find and use the mail address on the letter (i. e. via the
 Dept. of State in USA) to answer it. And then the Consulate will contact and
 write to your relative in China and tell to do everything in the future. In
my understanding, they do not like to talk with your relative without
informing him or her (your relative). So last time I said please wait for
receiving letter from the Consulate in Guangzhou. That is all.

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I just send "Re address of the Consulate in China" to lads-l this morning. If
 you need to know my name, I am Shizhang Shang. At this afternoon, I send the
 same topic and detailed answer to the asker "LYAO@gems.vcu.edu" and "lads-l@
spike.rice.edu". I am glad to share my understanding and information with all
chinese here if that is right. If that's not, please correct it. Thanks.

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I just send a letter "Re address of the Consulate in China" to lads-l@spike.
rice.edu this morning. I know you want to know my name. I think you can
contact me in the following my name and address: sshang01@gumedlib.dml.
georgetown.edu. At this afternoon, I send the same topic and detailed letter
to the asker "LYAO@gems.vcu.edu" and "lads-l@spike.rice.edu"
again. If that is useful for some friends that is my pleasure. If that is not
 right please correct it. Thanks.

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	I read your E-mail about Form 824. May I ask you a question?
	
  When you received your Approval Letter, which Consulate was on the form?
Beijing or Guangzhou?  My approval letter has Beijing on it. I am afraid whether
Beijing Consulate will forward information to Guangzhou. Thank you for your respo    
response.


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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information. Thanks for everyone's help!
Your help is important to somebody else.

ping


   Local INS	       : Status (received approval letters or not)
================================================================
Atlanta                : yes  (most people)
Baltimore              : yes  (some people)
Boston, MA	       : no   (no one?)
Chicago                : yes  (at least one)
Cincinnati             : Yes
Dallas, Texas          : no   (at least someone didn't)
Denver, Colorado       : yes  (most people)
Detroit area           : yes  (many people)
Honolulu, Hawaii       : yes  (at least one)
Houston, Texas         : yes  (some people)
Jacksonville, Florida  : yes  

Los Angeles, California: yes  (some people)
Maryland               : yes  (most people)
Memphis                : no   (no one?)
Newark, New Jersey     : yes
New York City          : no   (no one? some got interview letters)
Norfolk, VA            : yes
Omaha INS	       : no   (no one?)
Pittsiburg	       : no   (no one?)
Providence,Rhode Island: yes
Philadelphia           : ?    (waiting for visa numbers)
Sacramento, CA	       : no   (no one?)
San Antonio, Texas     : yes  (certain people)
Seattle, Washington    : no   (no one?)
St. Albans, VT	       : no   (no one?)
St. Paul-Minneapolis   : yes  (some people)
Wichita, Kansas        : yes  (almost half)

   


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>Date: 11-Mar-94 10:02
>From: QfromNY @ SMTP (Q.Zhu from NYU at Fermilab) {lads-l@spike.rice.edu}
>To: QIAN@admin (Shunning Qian)
>Subject: Preliminary result of the distribution of prirority dates for L

>************Survey of the priority dates of CSPAers with LADs**************
>        Priority date:07/09/93
>        Number of LADs with you:1
>        Home state:Florida
>        INS office with judiciary over your case:Orlando
>***************************************************************************


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	As Sino-American tax treaty, it should be a counterpart treaty 
 for Americans who work as kind of TA, whether their income is taxed
 by chinese government? If not, at least we have one word to argue.
 Anybody has this info?

	One thing to be clarified, I mean Americans who work in China.
	HZ

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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information. Thanks for everyone's help!
Your help is important to somebody else.

ping


   Local INS	       : Status (received approval letters or not)
================================================================
Atlanta                : yes  (most people)
Baltimore              : yes  (some people)
Boston, MA	       : no   (no one?)
Buffalo                : yes
Chicago                : yes  (some people)
Cincinnati             : Yes
Dallas, Texas          : no   (at least someone didn't)
Denver, Colorado       : yes  (most people)
Detroit area           : yes  (many people)
Honolulu, Hawaii       : yes  (at least one)
Houston, Texas         : yes  (some people)
Indianaplois, IN       :  ?   (some got interview letters)
Jacksonville, Florida  : yes                                         

Los Angeles, California: yes  (some people)
Maryland               : yes  (most people)
Memphis                : no   (no one?)
Newark, New Jersey     : yes
New York City          : yes  (some got approved)
Norfolk, VA            : yes
Omaha INS	       : no   (no one?)
Pittsiburg	       : no   (no one?)
Providence,Rhode Island: yes
Philadelphia           : ?    (waiting for visa numbers)
Sacramento, CA	       : no   (no one?)
San Antonio, Texas     : yes  (certain people)
Seattle, Washington    : no   (no one?)
St. Albans, VT	       : no   (no one?)
St. Paul-Minneapolis   : yes  (some people)
Wichita, Kansas        : yes  (almost half)



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"XXFU@ccmail.monsanto.com" wrote on March 11, 1994 regarding to the Preliminary
result of the distribution of priority date for LADs:

>There is potentially significant bias regarding this survey.  Those LADs whose 
>priority date is July 1 are likely the ones who care this matter most because 
>it is so close to the final results.

I think he/she only pointed out one side of the story. On the other hand, 
a lot of LADs with priority date later than July 1, 1993 are also anxiously 
watching the Visa bulletin board to see if the cutoff date is moving forward 
or backward. They'd like to know when their chances are coming. Those LADs
who have plans to go aboard worry even more. 

I belive the people who worry most are the LADs with priority date late than
July 1, 1993 and haven't filed their applications. (I haven't received any
reply who claims in this situation. It must be a very small group.) 

The real bias I'm concerning about is from the LADs who have 
already got their approval notices. In some sense, this survey has nothing 
to do with them ---their replies are purely from their kind nature of helping
other people. I think these people who have replied deserves our thanks first. 

It's almost impossible to assess the bias. The only way out is to get as many 
participator as we can. So far, I'm quite impressed with the warm replies---
some people send me not only their own information, but also their friends' 
information. I got this kind of message from both LADs with July 1 priority date
and later priority dates --- a sign of bias free.

So please bring this survey to as many LADS' attentions as you can. 

Best regards,
Qiang Zhu


------------------------originally message--------------------------------
Dear Friends:

I got about twenty messages shortly after I sent out a message about 
accumulating the priority date distribution for Lads. I'd like to thank the
people who responded quickly and encourage those people who haven't replied 
to take a few minutes to send me a message. Please send me the following 
information:
(If you have sent me your information, please sit back and relax. You don't
need to send me again. Thanks.)

************Survey of the priority dates of CSPAers with LADs**************
        Priority date:
        Number of LADs with you:
        Home state:
        INS office with judiciary over your case:
***************************************************************************

The first round result is appended at the end of this message. It is quite 
amazing that the priority date is so sharply peaked at July 1, 1993. About
80% LADs have July 1 priority date. This sharp peak indicates that the 
distribution is important not only to people with priority date later than 
July 1, 1993, but also to people with July 1, 1993 priority date. We all 
know that the annual quota for EB3 is 2500. Assuming there are 8000 LADs, 
there are more than 6000 LADs with July 1, 1993 priority date. It takes more 
than two years to cover these people first. 

Since the statistics is quite low, the result has very large error --- I even
didn't bother to work it out.  I need YOUR help to provide more accurate 
information to you. Please participate in this survey. You may also collect 
information for the people who don't have computer access to me. 

To ensure there there is no bias on the distribution, it's very improtant
for EVERYBODY whos has LADS to participate in this survey. 

For the Lads who already got approval notice: You are very luck. Please give
others a little bit help while you are enjoy your new status.  


Best regards,
Q.Zhu
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

 -----------------------------------------------
 *****Priority Date distribution for  LADs*****
 -----------------------------------------------
 Priority Date Total # of LADS     Percentage
 -----------------------------------------------
 July 1, 1993  18  78%   
 July 2, 1993  3  13%
 July 3, 1993  1  4%
 July 16,1993  1  4%
 -----------------------------------------------
   Total:  23  
 -----------------------------------------------


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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information. Thanks for everyone's help!
Your help is important to somebody else.

ping


   Local INS	       : Status (received approval letters or not)
================================================================
Atlanta                : yes  (most people)
Baltimore              : yes  (some people)
Boston, MA	       : no   (no one?)
Buffalo                : yes
Chicago                : yes  (some people)
Cincinnati             : Yes
Dallas, Texas          : no   (at least someone didn't)
Denver, Colorado       : yes  (most people)
Detroit area           : yes  (many people)
Honolulu, Hawaii       : yes  (at least one)
Houston, Texas         : yes  (some people)
Indianaplois, IN       :  ?   (some got interview letters)
Jacksonville, Florida  : yes                                         

Los Angeles, California: yes  (some people)
Maryland               : yes  (most people)
Memphis                : no   (no one?)
Newark, New Jersey     : yes
New York City          : yes  (some got approved)
Norfolk, VA            : yes
Omaha INS	       : no   (no one?)
Pittsiburg	       : no   (no one?)
Providence,Rhode Island: yes
Philadelphia           : ?    (waiting for visa numbers)
Sacramento, CA	       : no   (no one?)
San Antonio, Texas     : yes  (certain people)
Seattle, Washington    : no   (no one?)
St. Albans, VT	       : no   (no one?)
St. Paul-Minneapolis   : yes  (some people)
Wichita, Kansas        : yes  (almost half)



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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information. Thanks for everyone's help!
Your help is important to somebody else.

ping


   Local INS	       : Status (received approval letters or not)
================================================================
Atlanta                : yes  (most people)
Baltimore              : yes  (some people)
Boston, MA	       : no   (no one?)
Buffalo                : yes
Chicago                : yes  (some people)
Cincinnati             : Yes
Dallas, Texas          : no   (at least someone didn't)
Denver, Colorado       : yes  (most people)
Detroit area           : yes  (many people)
Honolulu, Hawaii       : yes  (at least one)
Houston, Texas         : yes  (some people)
Indianaplois, IN       :  ?   (some got interview letters)
Jacksonville, Florida  : yes
Kansas City            : no  (some people got interview)                                         

Los Angeles, California: yes  (some people)
Louisville INS         : No
Maryland               : yes  (most people)
Memphis                : no   (no one?)
Newark, New Jersey     : yes
New York City          : yes  (some got approved)
Norfolk, VA            : yes
Omaha INS	       : no   (no one?)
Pittsiburg	       : no   (no one?)
Providence,Rhode Island: yes
Philadelphia           : ?    (waiting for visa numbers)
Sacramento, CA	       : no   (no one?)
San Antonio, Texas     : yes  (certain people)
Seattle, Washington    : no   (no one?)
St. Albans, VT	       : no   (no one?)
St. Paul-Minneapolis   : yes  (some people)
Wichita, Kansas        : yes  (almost half)


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Mar 13 23:27:25 1994
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Hi everyone,

I have a question. I am a LAD and My husband is a CSPA principal.
We just found that my A# is the same as my husband's, except that
my one has an additional zero followed by these eight digits. Does 
anyone have any idea what happens here, and what can we do?

Any information is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Yao

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Does anyone have the enthusiasm to give me the information on how the 
immigration visa number in each catagory is for this month?

You can give me a mail at "chpyz@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu" or you might want to share
over the net.  Thanks a lot.


						shenzhang Ge

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Hi, friends:

I am a lad and I just got my approval notice.  Recently, I got an offer
from a large American company.   They will send me to Japan and I will 
stay there at least three years.  I heard that I should stay in America 
at least six months / each year if I want to keep my GC.  Does someone
know anything about how to keep GC for those who work on abroad?

Your response will be greatly appreciated.

zhang@uceng.uc.edu

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One question puzzled me.  The instruction of 1040NR read:
You are consider US resident for tax purpose if you meet either of following
tests ...
what does that exactly mean?                    
Does it mean you have to file 1040 (not 1040NR, not dual status)?
or it means you can not file 1040NR (but you can file dual status)?
Can a US resident file as dual-status (for a particular year)?

Can someone comment which of these questions has right answer?

Thank you in advance.

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Hi,
Here is a piece of good news I'd like to share with you. Omaha INS has 
issued an approve letter to one of the LAD in Iowa State. They sent application
on early August and got interview last month.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Mar 14 11:19:53 1994
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>From: "yuchi chen" <ychen@math.princeton.edu>

>One question puzzled me.  The instruction of 1040NR read:
>You are consider US resident for tax purpose if you meet either of following
>tests ...
>what does that exactly mean?                    
>Does it mean you have to file 1040 (not 1040NR, not dual status)?
>or it means you can not file 1040NR (but you can file dual status)?
>Can a US resident file as dual-status (for a particular year)?

>Can someone comment which of these questions has right answer?

>Thank you in advance.


The key this puzzle is the subtle difference between 'resident alien' and
'dual-status'. One has to realize that you can be a resident alien and still
qualify to file as dual status.

The logic follows like this: (for more see earlier post "dual status or
resident alien", for complete, see Pub. 519, Chapter 1)

First, you check to see if you are a resident for tax purposes using the 
two tests.

Second, if you are conseidered as a resident alien, and this is your first
year of residency (means it's your first year passed the tests), you may 
qualify to file as dual status.

Third, whether you CAN actually file as dual status is determined by your
so called "residency starting date". If the date turn out to be 1/1/93, then
CANNOT do it. If the date turn out to later than 1/1/93, then you CAN.

YSZ


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I believe, as a matter of fact, Sino-US Tax Treaty overrides Pub 519, whenever
it is applicable. Treaties are signied by Federal Governments, not by IRS. IRS
is a sub-division of the Federal Government, it should obey the provisions 
signed by theFederal Government. So, I believe that you guys who want to 
utilize the Treaty benefits should go to the Treaty first, to see if you
fit there. If yes, just cite the Treaty. If you can not cite the Sino-US 
Tax Treaty, then you should go to the pub 519, 1040NR for your tax status,
not the vise versu. Sino-US Tax Treaty provides benefits by overriding
certain Tax codes. If it can not override the Tax Code, what is the Treaty
for? It is simply the mathematical logic.

The above is my own opinions, arised by the all discussions on the lads-l.
Mi Mi Sr. refuses to take any responsibilities of this mail. Anyone wants
to use the arguments presented here are at their own riskes!

Mi Mi 

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I read your email letter "Re: My name". When I received the Approval Letter,
the INS Eastern Service Center was on the form. After some days I received
the contacting letter (but not Approval Letter) from the Consulate of
Guangzhou in China but not from Beijing. From that letter it asked me about
information for my relative in China. I am sorry that I do not know how to
answer your question about whether Beijing Consulate will forward your
information to Guangzhou.

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I called the Immigration Card Facility (ICF) at (214) 655-1500, and the message
on the status of my wife is:
   The I-181 (b) is on file
   Need I-181 (c) / the approval copy, and I-89 to start making the card.

Question:
	When is an applicant's file ( I-181 (b) ) forwarded to ICF?
	Does the above message mean the I-485 processing is complete?

	The reason I care so much about this message is that I used to have
	dispute with the INS examiner about my wife's status before I-485
	submission, and I haven't heard from the examiner for around 4 months
	since last encounter (although I wrote her again in late December).
	
	Hackers, experts, wishful thinkings welcome.

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I read your letter "Re: My name". When I received the Approval letter, the
INS Eastern Service Cenetr was on the form. After some days I received the
contacting letter (but not Approval Letter) from the Consulate of Guangzhou
in China but not from Beijing. From that letter it asked me some information
about my relative in China. I am sorry that I do not know how to answer your
question about whether Beijing Consulate will forward your information to
Beijing. I think if Beijing Consulate can treat your application they do not
need to transfer your information to Guangzhou or if Beijing Consulate does
not treat this application they will transfer. This is only for your
reference and goodgye.

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Following is mere a example of filing CSPA Tax. No responsibilities is 
assumed by me. Consult your accountant before file your return.

Suppose Mr. A came to the States in 1982 with F-1 status. He took four years
to earn his B.S. Then he went on to earn his M.S in 3 years. Then he took
another M.S. in 3 years. He then took a Ph.D program in 1992. His income
came as fellowships, library assistant, etc. He kept his F-1 until July 1,
1993, when he filed as CSPA principal. Then, let us look at his tax status.
He solely purpose to stay in the U.S. was to pursuit his education, upto 
july 1, 1993, when he sought PR status. The time spent was reasonable, 4
years for B.S., 3 years each for M.S.s', and years for Ph.D. Then his 
income as fellowship is from educational, governmental and scientific
institutions, thus is tax exempt. His income from library assistantship
is service based, so the amount which exceeds $5000 is taxable. After
further deduction of the personal allowance, his taxable income should
be (library assistantship - $5000 -$2350)/year. After the approval, all 
of his income is taxable, including the fellowships. For the rest of the 
year, the Treaty does not apply.

Mr. B. entered practice training 1/1/93. He applied CSPA later on. His
income should have $5,000/year deduction before he applied CSPA.

Theoritically speaking, the "sole purpose is for the education" ends
when you apply PR, so the treaty does not apply once you applied CSPA.
Your status is then governed by the Pub. 519. 


Again, the above is only my opinion. Any one want to use it takes your
own riskes.


Happy Filing!

Mi Mi Sr.

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Does anyone have any idea about the EB 3 priority date July 2nd for this month
means include July 2nd or before July 2nd?

Thanks a lot!

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Some people in this net just send their mail to the net REPEATEDLY 
to ask the same question. I understand they are eager to get information 
from the others. But one mail is enough. If we could not answer, we would 
not answer. So why keep bothering the others ? At least, they should not
send the same mail twice a day !

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We have been seeing a lot discussion on CSPAs' tax return, but little on
lads' return. Since most of lads got their Employment Authorization cards
after they filed the PR application last Aug.-Oct. and probably started
to work before the end of 1993, they have to file tax return for 1993.
Then what visa status should they put on their tax return forms? F-2? J-2?
or 'pending for PR'? What forms should they use? 1040NR or 1040? Can they
still benefit from US-China tax treaty? Since the lads' case is so special,
you can't find very satisfactory answers for these questions from the 
tax Pub.519 or 901. I raise them here to start a new round of discussion
on tax return stuff. Any opinions, suggestions, comments will definitely
help everyone out. Thanks folks,

XJGUO

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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information. Thanks for everyone's help!
Your help is important to somebody else.

ping


   Local INS	       : Status (received approval letters or not)
================================================================
Atlanta                : yes  (most people)
Baltimore              : yes  (some people)
Boston, MA	       : no   (no one?)
Buffalo                : yes
Chicago                : yes  (some people)
Cincinnati             : Yes
Dallas, Texas          : no   (at least someone didn't)
Denver, Colorado       : yes  (most people)
Detroit area           : yes  (many people)
Honolulu, Hawaii       : yes  (at least one)
Houston, Texas         : yes  (some people)
Indianaplois, IN       :  ?   (some got interview letters)
Jacksonville, Florida  : yes
Kansas City            : no  (some people got interview)                                         

Los Angeles, California: yes  (some people)
Louisville INS         : No
Maryland               : yes  (most people)
Memphis                : no   (no one?)
Newark, New Jersey     : yes
New York City          : yes  (some got approved)
Norfolk, VA            : yes
Omaha INS	       : yes  (at least one)
Pittsiburg	       : no   (no one?)
Providence,Rhode Island: yes
Philadelphia           : ?    (waiting for visa numbers)
Sacramento, CA	       : no   (no one?)
San Antonio, Texas     : yes  (certain people)
Seattle, Washington    : no   (no one?)
St. Albans, VT	       : no   (no one?)
St. Paul-Minneapolis   : yes  (some people)
Wichita, Kansas        : yes  (almost half)


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Here we go. Lads tax returns. 

I try to put the question in more specific topics and give my 
comments wherever I have.


About residency
----------------
This is usually the first thing you have to think about. Do they qualify 
as a resident, non-resident alien or dual status? Again you go through the 
two tests. Any rules that apply to F, J, M, students or J teacher and 
scholars also apply to their immediate family members. (see Pub 519, 
Chapter 1). This means F-2 can be treated as an 'exempt indivdual' in the 
substantial presence test. 

So for most lads, who were not approved last year, they should qualify 
as non-resiedent alien.

 
About tax treaty
----------------
The treaty applies to those individuals who come temperory for the SOLELY 
purpose of his training, education or obtaining special technical 
training. (see complete definition in Article 20 of Sino-US treaty.) 

This looks exclude any J-2, F-2 benefiting from the treaty in any 
way. 


About status
------------
open for answers.


What to choose?
---------------
Now if they cannot be benefited from the treaty, do they still want to file 
as NR alien or they better off elect to file as resident?

The only criterion is that you should go whatever gives you the lowest tax 
legally. This could be quite a homework for many people. You should work 
it out very carefully for your own situation, with all the rules applied 
properly.

Further discussion on this topic will only be meanfull when we have a 
comlete information on certain case.

YSZ

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Hi, 

In my opinion, one good way to file LAD's tax return is filing with CSPA
principal (or say under principal) as married file combined (if it is
for a spouse) using form 1040. This is a very simple way and it can take fairly good standard deduction
and it doesn't need to bother to mention anything about LAD's visa status. 

Good luck.
hnchen

  
On Tue, 15 Mar 1994, Xinjian Guo -- Yale Astronomy Dept wrote:

> We have been seeing a lot discussion on CSPAs' tax return, but little on
> lads' return. Since most of lads got their Employment Authorization cards
> after they filed the PR application last Aug.-Oct. and probably started
> to work before the end of 1993, they have to file tax return for 1993.
> Then what visa status should they put on their tax return forms? F-2? J-2?
> or 'pending for PR'? What forms should they use? 1040NR or 1040? Can they
> still benefit from US-China tax treaty? Since the lads' case is so special,
> you can't find very satisfactory answers for these questions from the 
> tax Pub.519 or 901. I raise them here to start a new round of discussion
> on tax return stuff. Any opinions, suggestions, comments will definitely
> help everyone out. Thanks folks,
> 
> XJGUO




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Lads' tax status is not that much different from principal's. The "sole
purpose of stay is for his or her education" is in question when the lad's
visa type is other than J-1 M-1 or F-1, unless he/she changed to *-1s later
on, since *-2s purpose is "follow to join the spouse or parents". So, if
the lad did not switch to *-1 visa type, he/she then is not covered by 
the Tax Treaty, even he/she meets all the other definitions, as to the 
best of my understanding. The keyword in the Treaty is the "sole purpose 
of stay", assuming you guys all meet the residency requirment (holding 
Chinese Green Card or Citizenship)

For anybody, check for yourself the following:

1) You ARE a China National,
2) The SOLE purpose of YOUR stay is for YOUR education,
3) The time you spend is reasonable according to YOUR educational purposes,
4) The source of income is from: 
    a) govermental, educational, or scientific institution: fully deductable
    b) Income from overseas to maintain your study (not for buying stocks etc,
        of course) :fully deductable
    c) personal service: the portion exceeds $5,000
As a lad, I think the 2) is in question if your visa is not *-1, but you may
persuade IRS people to think the otherwsie at your own riskes.

Of course the final interpretation of the treaty and tax codes are IRS, 
not me, so I refuse to take any responsiblities of this posting.


Mi Mi Sr.


           

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To those of you who has already received something from INS,
   The post office left a certified mail pick up notice in my mail box lately
   which I believe is from the Dallas INS.  For some reason the post office
   messed up their stock that I cannot pick up my mail as hoped.
   Just to speculate what that might be, which leads me to the following
   question:
   Did your INS send you notice of completion or approval notice in certified
   mail?

   For the folks who keep the status list:
   Dallas INS is sending something now.  The nature of that depends on the
   great U.S. postal service' efficiency and success rate.  I will let you
   folks know ASAP.

   Thanks!

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Which form to use? It is up to you. If you cite Tax Treaty, it is 1040NR.
You may choose 1040, 1040A or 1040EZ even your are not PR. Resident Status
here is for the purpose of tax, NOT (repeatedly not) for INS. Filing as 
resindents seems to me has more benefits than non-resindents in many cases.
For example, we China Nationals can not claim exempt for ANY of our dependents
on 1040NR. With 1040NR, there is no EIC schedules. The deductable for 
a married couple on 1040,A,EZ is over $10,000, while on the 1040NR, you have 
to file separatedly with each one has $2,350, totaling $5,000~, that, is not 
so good. As poor students, many of us are eligible for EIC if we elect 1040
or 1040A, but did not want to because of the fearing that the "public charge"
will complicate the "GC process".

Again, you may have to your homework first, or, pay $20-40 for an accountant.


Mi Mi Sr.


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We are in the following situation, any help would be greatly appreciated.

My wife is a LAD who filed her I-485 last August in Spokane INS and
has not received anything from them yet. We recently moved to Long
Island, New York. We wrote to Spokane INS a month ago asking them
for the transfer of the file to the new local INS. No answer from anywhere
yet. Now my wife needs a social security number for the health insurance
card from the state. We went to the local SS office and were denied. They
need a proof from the INS to show the legal status. We know that a
working permit will do, but where shall we apply to as we don't know
where the I-485 material is at now? Any suggestions? 

Lin

p.s. Any information about the NYC INS office (location, office hours, 
     telephone, how long normally one needs to wait in the line...) would be 
     helpful to us too, 





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Hi, our dear lads fellows, it is time to call your Senators to give support
for the S618.

Please act ASAP!

Mi Mi Sr.

Lads-net Committee member

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>From:	IN%"ren@math.berkeley.edu" 14-MAR-1994 15:50:38.60
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>From: ren@math.berkeley.edu (Huan Ren)
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Hi, Fei, I got a message from p2-talk which I think is very important
and is mecessary to let everyoen know. Maybe you already have it, 
however for safe, I am sending you this message. 

Huan


> -------------------------
> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 09:06:42 -0500
> From: Mirajkar Srinath <srinath@srinath.is.ge.COM>
> Subject: Bill S618
> 
> Hi Everybody :
>         I just got off the Phone after I spoke with a spokesman at the
>  Capital. The Bill S618 ( Allowing spouses of PR to come on student/visitor )
>  is still pending with the IMMIGRATION SUB-COMMITTEE and the prospects are
>  NOT GOOD. There is simply NOT ENOUGH support for the bill !!!!!
> 
>         I think that more efforts need to be put by each person to raise
>  the awareness/importance of this bill among other fellow indians. This bill
>  will not only help for the folks "suffering" now, but will also alleivate
>  the problem for 1000's of fellow indians. Please urge people to call their
>  senators or write to them supporting Bill S618. The Green Card Wait is
>  right now 2 Yrs and 7 Months !! And from what I hear, this period is going
>  to INCREASE !!
> 
>        The time to take action is NOW as the bill has a long way to go -
>   from IMMIG. SUB-COMMITTEE to JUDICIARY COMMITTEE to FULL SENATE and friends
>   time is running out ... Also, If there is not enough support by close to
>   end of this year ... the bill will die ..!
> 
>         Due to space limitations, Iam not posting the Bill. Please send me
>   E-mail and I will be happy to send a copy to you. My address is :
>                         srinath@is.ge.com
> 
>   Thanks
>   With Best Wishes
>   -- Srinath
> 
> ------------------------------
> 


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Wed Mar 16 09:43:33 1994
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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information. Thanks for everyone's help!
Your help is important to somebody else.

ping


   Local INS	       : Status (received approval letters or not)
================================================================
Atlanta                : yes  (most people)
Baltimore              : yes  (some people)
Boston, MA	       : no   (no one?)
Buffalo                : yes
Charlotte INS          : yes
Chicago                : yes  (some people)
Cincinnati             : Yes
Dallas, Texas          : no   (at least someone didn't)
Denver, Colorado       : yes  (most people)
Detroit area           : yes  (many people)
Honolulu, Hawaii       : yes  

Houston, Texas         : yes  (some people)
Indianaplois, IN       :  ?   (some got interview letters)
Jacksonville, Florida  : yes
Kansas City            : no  (some people got interview)                                         

Los Angeles, California: yes  (some people)
Louisville INS         : yes
Maryland               : yes  (most people)
Memphis                : no   (no one?)
Newark, New Jersey     : yes
New Orlearn INS        : no 

New York City          : yes  (some got approved)
Norfolk, VA            : yes
Omaha INS	       : yes  (at least one)
Pittsiburg	       : no   (no one?)
Providence,Rhode Island: yes
Philadelphia           : ?    (waiting for visa numbers)
Sacramento, CA	       : no   (no one?)
San Antonio, Texas     : yes  (certain people)
Seattle, Washington    : no   (no one?)
St. Albans, VT	       : no   (no one?)
St. Paul-Minneapolis   : yes  (some people)
Wichita, Kansas        : yes  (almost half)



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Dear friend,
    I read your letter. In my opinion and understanding, the answers for your
questions and reference are: (No. is the No. of your questions)
    1) I do not know when will the Consulate contact with your son and issue
a visa to him. I think that it just needs for some weeks after the Consulate
approves your application and that the key thing for the approval is your
son's age under 21 years old. If under 21, he will get his visa within about
6 to 12 months because he can use your original priority date (July 1, 1993).
 If above 21, he will be not approved by the Consulate and you need to wait
for visa under I-130 application.
    2) You have different 2 priority dates for I-824 and I-130, of course. I
think the another priority date for I-130 means that you maybe need to wait
for Family-B visa for about more 4 years.
    3) I think your very inportant documents are your son's date of birth (e.
g. age) and your relationship between you and your son.

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hi Friends,
   My son recently got his approval letter. The letter did not ask him to do 
anything such as finger printing and signature. The INS did not ask him do 
those either when he was interviewed in December. He is 6 years old. I wonder 
if we should go to INS to ask if our procedure is complete. That is will he be 
able to receive the GC later, or is there anything he should do? We plan to go 
to China in May. If he does not get his real GC before that, is it enough if he
gets his passport stamped by the INS? Does anyone have a similar situation? We 
would apprecite your information and advice. Thanks.~

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Subject: need form 8833 or not?
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Hi netters and experts, I understand that a new(?) form 8833 has been
introduced starting from tax year 93 for claiming benefits under tax
treaties.  Yet, on page 44 of Pub. 519 a list of 6 exceptions are listed
for which form 8833 does not need to be filed.  Among them are

3) You claim a reduction or modification of the taxation of income from
dependent personal services, pensions, annuities, social security and
other public pensions, or income of artists, athletes, students,
trainees, or teachers.

6) The payments or items of income that are otherwise required to be
disclosed total no more than $10,000.

I guess most CSPA students did not earn more than $10000 in the first
half of 1993.  Do you think we can apply either exception 3) or 6)
not to file 8833?  

On the other hand, from Pub 519 and Instructions to 8833, it seems one
has to file 1040NR return if 8833 is to be used.  Any thoughts? 

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your son doesn't need a finger print until he is 14.

> 
> hi Friends,
>    My son recently got his approval letter. The letter did not ask him to do 
> anything such as finger printing and signature. The INS did not ask him do 
> those either when he was interviewed in December. He is 6 years old. I wonder 
> if we should go to INS to ask if our procedure is complete. That is will he be 
> able to receive the GC later, or is there anything he should do? We plan to go 
> to China in May. If he does not get his real GC before that, is it enough if he
> gets his passport stamped by the INS? Does anyone have a similar situation? We 
> would apprecite your information and advice. Thanks.~
> 


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Mar 17 09:26:18 1994
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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information. Thanks for everyone's help!
Your help is important to somebody else.

ping


   Local INS	       : Status (received approval letters or not)
================================================================
Atlanta                : yes  (most people)
Baltimore              : yes  (some people)
Boston, MA	       : no   (no one?)
Buffalo                : yes
Charlotte INS          : yes  (many people)
Chicago                : yes  (some people)
Cincinnati             : Yes
Dallas, Texas          : no   (at least someone didn't)
Denver, Colorado       : yes  (most people)
Detroit area           : yes  (many people)
Honolulu, Hawaii       : yes  

Houston, Texas         : yes  (some people)
Indianaplois, IN       :  ?   (some got interview letters)
Jacksonville, Florida  : yes
Kansas City            : no  (some people got interview)                                         

Los Angeles, California: yes  (some people)
Louivelle	       : no
Louisville INS         : yes
Maryland               : yes  (most people)
Memphis                : no   (no one?)
Newark, New Jersey     : yes
New Orlearn INS        : no 

New York City          : yes  (some got approved)
Norfolk, VA            : yes
Omaha INS	       : yes  (at least one)
Pittsiburg	       : no   (no one?)
Providence,Rhode Island: yes
Philadelphia           : ?    (waiting for visa numbers)
Sacramento, CA	       : no   (no one?)
San Antonio, Texas     : yes  (certain people)
Seattle, Washington    : no   (no one?)
St. Albans, VT	       : no   (no one?)
St. Paul-Minneapolis   : yes  (some people)
Wichita, Kansas        : yes  (almost half)



From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Mar 17 11:29:42 1994
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As a CSPA, if you choose dual-status for year 93, you have to use 1040 to 
fill return and and use 1040NR as a statement. In that case Form 8833 is 
still needed?

On Wed, 16 Mar 1994, Xiangdong Liu wrote:

> Hi netters and experts, I understand that a new(?) form 8833 has been
> introduced starting from tax year 93 for claiming benefits under tax
> treaties.  Yet, on page 44 of Pub. 519 a list of 6 exceptions are listed
> for which form 8833 does not need to be filed.  Among them are
> 
> 3) You claim a reduction or modification of the taxation of income from
> dependent personal services, pensions, annuities, social security and
> other public pensions, or income of artists, athletes, students,
> trainees, or teachers.
> 
> 6) The payments or items of income that are otherwise required to be
> disclosed total no more than $10,000.
> 
> I guess most CSPA students did not earn more than $10000 in the first
> half of 1993.  Do you think we can apply either exception 3) or 6)
> not to file 8833?  
> 
> On the other hand, from Pub 519 and Instructions to 8833, it seems one
> has to file 1040NR return if 8833 is to be used.  Any thoughts? 
> 



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Begin forwarded message:

Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 13:31:18 -0500
>From: ling@ecn.purdue.edu (Ling Chung)
To: ping@summit.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu
Subject: Re:  LAD status list

My wife (LAD) just finished her interview at Indianapolis INS. She  
also finished
her finger printed and PASSPORT STAMPED. Is this a temporary PR  
status? Since
the interviewer told her at the end that "If you stay in any walfare  
programe
such as MIDICAID or WIC, I can deny your PR!"

Does anyone know that this INS officer can do that even my wife's  
PASSPORT SED? Since my wife is in MEDICAID program.

Thank you.

Ling Chung
3/17/94
ling@ecn.purdue.edu


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From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
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The PR status is revokable. INS can deny your PR status if they have
enough reasons. 

Be careful of that consequences! 


Mi Mi Sr.


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Mar 17 15:08:17 1994
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Hi, 

Thank you for posting this message. I think this is an area deserve more
extensive discussion because there are quite a few fellow thinking about 
applying social walfare such as Medicaid (esp. for children). Can INS
legally interfere PR's walfare program even after permenant residency has been
granted (approved or real plastic card has arrived) by suspending
permenant residency status, etc?

Thanks.
 
On Thu, 17 Mar 1994, Ping Ding wrote:
 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 13:31:18 -0500
> From: ling@ecn.purdue.edu (Ling Chung)
> To: ping@summit.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu
> Subject: Re:  LAD status list
> 
> My wife (LAD) just finished her interview at Indianapolis INS. She  
> also finished
> her finger printed and PASSPORT STAMPED. Is this a temporary PR  
> status? Since
> the interviewer told her at the end that "If you stay in any walfare  
> programe
> such as MIDICAID or WIC, I can deny your PR!"
> 
> Does anyone know that this INS officer can do that even my wife's  
> PASSPORT SED? Since my wife is in MEDICAID program.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Ling Chung
> 3/17/94
> ling@ecn.purdue.edu
> 





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Some one asked earlier today about whether INS officer can suspend a PR's 
status, the answer is "yes", here are the laws about what kind of circumstance
a PR may lost his/her status:
US code title 8 has a big section about it:

CHAPTER 12.  IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY  
DEPORTATION; ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS
 
@ 1254.  Suspension of deportation; voluntary departure
 
   (a) Adjustment of status for permanent residence; contents. As hereinafter
prescribed in this section, the Attorney General may, in his discretion, suspend
deportation and adjust the status to that of an alien lawfully admitted for
permanent residence, in the case of an alien (other than an alien described in
section 241(a)(4)(D) [8 USCS @ 1251(a)(4)(D)] who applies to the Attorney
General for suspension of deportation and--
 ...........deleted...............
 
I. SUSPENSION OF DEPORTATION [8 USCS @ 1254(a)]
 ...........deleted.............
C. Administrative Discretion
38. Delegation of authority
39. Factors considered
40. Particular circumstances
41. -Communist affiliation
42. -Effect on family members
 43.  -Public burden
 ..........deleted...............
 
 43.  -Public burden
   Extent of burden upon public that would result from favorable exercise of
discretion is clearly relevant and proper consideration for immigration judge
presented with petition for suspension of deportation under 8 USCS @ 1254(a).
Nee Hao Wong v Immigration & Naturalization Service (1977, CA9) 550 F2d 521.
   Denial of suspension of deportation because of petitioner's charge on people
of State of California while he was hospitalized, his lack of close family ties,
contact or contribution to his care, his complete dependency on welfare
assistance which was anticipated to continue into indefinite future, and
distinct possibility that he would require further hospitalization did not
constitute abuse of discretion.  Nee Hao Wong v Immigration & Naturalization
Service (1977, CA9) 550 F2d 521.
   Although discretion given Service under 8 USCS @ 1254 is broad, it is
discretion to determine what does or does not constitute extreme hardship to
applicant, and consideration of state's interest in reducing welfare rolls is
not relevant to existence of extreme hardship; where it may have been factor in
Board's decision not to grant hardship relief, that INS believed petitioner to
have been burden on public purse, case will be remanded to Board for
reconsideration.  So Chun Chung v United States Immigration & Naturalization
Service (1979, CA3) 602 F2d 608.
   Board may properly refuse to deny suspension of deportation where alien is
completely dependent on public assistance and fails to seek work despite good
health.  Vaughn v Immigration & Naturalization Service (1981, CA1) 643 F2d 35.
   Neither immigration judge nor Bureau of Immigration Appeals abused discretion
in concluding that native of Guatemala is not entitled to discretionary
suspension of deportation under 8 USCS @ 1254(a)(1), based on his receipt of
welfare assistance, food stamps, and medical aid for one-year period during his
residency in United States, his inability to maintain job with same employer,
and illegal manner in which he brought 4 of his children into United States,
since consideration of such factors is proper in determining whether alien is
entitled to relief as matter of administrative discretion.  Ramirez-Gonzalez v
Immigration & Naturalization Service (1983, CA9) 695 F2d 1208 (disagreed with
Dolores v Immigration & Naturalization Service (CA6) 772 F2d 223).
 

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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information. Thanks for everyone's help!
Your help is important to somebody else.

ping


   Local INS	       : Status (received approval letters or not)
================================================================
Arlington, VA          : no   (no one?)
Atlanta                : yes  (most people)
Baltimore              : yes  (some people)
Boston, MA	       : no   (no one?)
Buffalo                : yes
Charlotte INS          : yes
Chicago                : yes  (some people)
Cincinnati             : Yes
Dallas, Texas          : no   (at least someone didn't)
Denver, Colorado       : yes  (most people)
Detroit area           : yes  (many people)
Helena, Montana        : yes 

Honolulu, Hawaii       : yes  

Houston, Texas         : yes  (some people)
Indianaplois, IN       :  ?   (some got interview letters)
Jacksonville, Florida  : yes
Kansas City            : no  (some people got interview)                                         

Los Angeles, California: yes  (some people)
Louivelle	       : no
Louisville INS         : yes
Maryland               : yes  (most people)
Memphis                : no   (no one?)
Newark, New Jersey     : yes
New Orlearn INS        : no 

New York City          : yes  (some got approved)
Norfolk, VA            : yes
Omaha INS	       : yes  (at least one)
Pittsiburg	       : no   (no one?)
Providence,Rhode Island: yes
Philadelphia           : yes  

Sacramento, CA	       : no   (no one?)
San Antonio, Texas     : yes  (certain people)
Seattle, Washington    : no   (no one?)
St. Albans, VT	       : no   (no one?)
St. Paul-Minneapolis   : yes  (some people)
Wichita, Kansas        : yes  (almost half)



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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information. Thanks for everyone's help!
Your help is important to somebody else.

ping


   Local INS	       : Status (received approval letters or not)
================================================================
Arlington, VA          : no   (no one?)
Atlanta                : yes  (most people)
Baltimore              : yes  (some people)
Boston, MA	       : no   (no one?)
Buffalo                : yes
Charlotte INS          : yes
Chicago                : yes  (some people)
Cincinnati             : Yes
Dallas, Texas          : no   (at least someone didn't)
Denver, Colorado       : yes  (most people)
Detroit area           : yes  (many people)
Helena, Montana        : yes 

Honolulu, Hawaii       : yes  

Houston, Texas         : yes  (some people)
Indianaplois, IN       :  ?   (some got interview letters)
Jacksonville, Florida  : yes
Kansas City            : no  (some people got interview)                                         

Los Angeles, California: yes  (some people)
Louivelle	       : no
Louisville INS         : yes
Maryland               : yes  (most people)
Memphis                : no   (no one?)
Newark, New Jersey     : yes
New Orlearn INS        : no 

New York City          : yes  (some got approved)
Norfolk, VA            : yes
Omaha INS	       : yes  (at least one)
Pittsiburg	       : no   (no one?)
Providence,Rhode Island: yes
Philadelphia           : yes  

Sacramento, CA	       : no   (no one?)
San Antonio, Texas     : yes  (certain people)
Seattle, Washington    : no   (no one?)
St. Albans, VT	       : no   (no one?)
St. Paul-Minneapolis   : yes  (some people)
Wichita, Kansas        : yes  (almost half)



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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information. Thanks for everyone's help!
Your help is important to somebody else.

ping


   Local INS	       : Status (received approval letters or not)
================================================================
Arlington, VA          : no   (no one?)
Atlanta                : yes  (most people)
Baltimore              : yes  (some people)
Boston, MA	       : no   (no one?)
Buffalo                : yes
Charlotte INS          : yes
Chicago                : yes  (some people)
Cincinnati             : Yes
Dallas, Texas          : no   (at least someone didn't)
Denver, Colorado       : yes  (most people)
Detroit area           : yes  (many people)
Helena, Montana        : yes 

Honolulu, Hawaii       : yes  

Houston, Texas         : yes  (some people)
Indianaplois, IN       :  ?   (some got interview letters)
Jacksonville, Florida  : yes
Kansas City            : no  (some people got interview)                                         

Los Angeles, California: yes  (some people)
Louivelle	       : no
Louisville INS         : yes
Maryland               : yes  (most people)
Memphis                : no   (no one?)
Newark, New Jersey     : yes
New Orlearn INS        : no 

New York City          : yes  (some got approved)
Norfolk, VA            : yes
Omaha INS	       : yes  (at least one)
Pittsiburg	       : no   (no one?)
Providence,Rhode Island: yes
Philadelphia           : yes  

Sacramento, CA	       : no   (no one?)
San Antonio, Texas     : yes  (certain people)
Seattle, Washington    : no   (no one?)
St. Albans, VT	       : no   (no one?)
St. Paul-Minneapolis   : yes  (some people)
Wichita, Kansas        : yes  (almost half)


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Dear friends:
I am a CSPA late arriving dependent and I have sent my application to
Philadelphia INS in Aug. 1993. Yestody, I received a letter from district
director that they asked me to send a copy of Notarial Certificate of
Birth issued at a notarial office in China with jurisdiction over my
country of previous residence as well as Marriage Certificate within 12
weeks. Otherwise, failed. I  to do so will result in the denial of my application.

Last year, I have tried for these documents but failed. I don's know what
shall I do. I like to know if we be allowed to use secondary evidence. I
hope to get your help. Thank you for your time.

Duan 



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Hi, anybody has any idea in this:

I just got a letter from Philadelphia INS which asks me to submit the
following documents:

For CSPAer's spouse:

    [X] Copy of Marriage Certificate issued at a notarial office with
        jurisdiction over your county of previous residence.

For CSPAer's child:

    [X] Copy of Notarial Certificate of Birth issued at a notarial office
        in China with jurisdiction over your county of previous residence.

For both spouse & child:

    [X] Evidence that you have maintained your immigration status since your
        first entry into the United States.  If your status is dependent upon
        a relative, provide evidence that that relative was in lawful
        immigration status on April 11, 1990.


When we filed the I-485, we submitted the copy & translation of the original
Marriage Certificate and Birth Certificate.  Also, all the I-20s (CSPAer's
and LAD's) should be good enough for the lawful status, right?  Thus, I
really do not understand why INS still asks for these documents.  What else
do we need to submit as evidence?  For the notarial Marriage & Birth
certificates, we were told that the notarial copies were not required,
and the copies of the original documents were OK as substitution.

Any help is great appreciated!  Also anybody know how long it will need
to get notarial certificates in China these days? (The original documents
are in USA!)

Thank you in advanced!

--Z. Yu

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SUB



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Thanks friends:
I recieved six replys after I sent E-mail for some questions about LAD interview. I have finished it this morning. It is a simple processing: doing finger print
 and signiture on I-89 and just asked 'how old are you?' Then stamp the temporar
y GC on passport. I saw other Chinese people did the samething. I would like sha
re this experience with those who have not finished this step. For my experience, It looks this aproval without interview at all.
S.H.

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Begin forwarded message:

Date:         Fri, 18 Mar 94 11:56:44 EST
>From: CAXHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
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To: ping@summit.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu
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TOO SUPID! IF YOUR WIFE STAY IN MADICAID PROGRAM ! HER PR DIFINITELY  
WILL BE DE
NEYED!


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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
On behalf of my friend, post this e-mail for help.

He is a CSPA principle and get his approval notice last year.   His wife and
son filed their I-485 last Aug.  He never realized he is in DED until his wife
and son got a interview, the INS officer told him that.  Obviously, his wife an
d son failed the interview and they withdrawed the applications (not denied).
Here are the questions:  1. Do his wife and son need to enter voluntary departu
re?  2. Is there time opening for them to apply for EB-3 (filing I-824) and doe
s anyone know which consulate of USA at Mexico   or canada take the application
?  3. Can they apply for advance parrol under voluntary departure for reentry U
SA in case they go to the third country and fail the interview?

Any infromation is highly apprecaited.
Dai-Shi Su (st000253@brownvm.edu)

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  Somebody mentioned the question of suspension of status due to public 
charge (Medicaid, WIC etc.). Since many Chinese students applied for some
social asisstance,  especially WIC when they have baby, I have some questions
regarding this matter and other during INS interview.  Hope someday can give 
share his/her experience with us on the network.

  Did the INS officials ask about public charge during interview?
  If you are or were on WIC, Medicaid etc, how did you answer?

  How about communist party member? What did you answer if you were a party
member before you came to the States?

  If your child is on Medicaid or WIC, did you need to mention it during
interview?

  Any comments and experience are appreciated.

  Thanks a lot.

  ZHM

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Hi, there.  Does someone know the definition of DED (deferred enforce departure
) by law?  Thanks in advance!
                            Dai-Shi Su (st000253@brownvm.brown.edu)

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> 
Because it is not a CSPA case, probably secondary evidence is not enough.
I know a friend obtained these kinds of documents by
(1)	write to Consulate General of China.  They will instruct you what
you should do.
(2)	send documents certified by Chinse Consulate to the local city/county
notary office in China.  They will do it.

Good luck.

XL

> Dear friends:
> I am a CSPA late arriving dependent and I have sent my application to
> Philadelphia INS in Aug. 1993. Yestody, I received a letter from district
> director that they asked me to send a copy of Notarial Certificate of
> Birth issued at a notarial office in China with jurisdiction over my
> country of previous residence as well as Marriage Certificate within 12
> weeks. Otherwise, failed. I  to do so will result in the denial of my application.
> 
> Last year, I have tried for these documents but failed. I don's know what
> shall I do. I like to know if we be allowed to use secondary evidence. I
> hope to get your help. Thank you for your time.
> 
> Duan 
> 
> 
> 


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Dear everybody:
  I have a friend who came to U.S. in 1988 as a F-1 student. She was still a 
F-1 student untill Apr.1993. She went to work from May 1993 till present. She 
got a PR as a CSPA from July 1993. Now the question are:
ed as a resident. 
   By this way, does my fiend file 1040 form?
2. Because my friend got PR in 1993, she should consider to file dule status 
form? I mean, she is in U.S. under F-1 already for six years( from 1988 to 1993)for the purpose of the education untill Apr.1993. Is she still treated as a non-resident and can be benifited from the tready?
3. What kind of form my friend should file? Is there any person with the same
situation as my friend?

Any response will be appreciated.
Thank you for everybody's concerning. 

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Dear Friends:

About 10 days ago, I initiated an effort to accumulate the distribution of 
priority dates for LADs. Up to now, I received 80 messages with 118 LADs in 
the survey. The table appended at the end of this message gives the second 
round result(If there are more data coming in, I'll post another result. 
Otherwise, this is the finial result.) 

About 77% LADs are with July 1, 1993 priority date. I'd like to remind you 
that it was 78% last time I posted (with 23 LADs in survey). The difference 
is within the statistical error. I received a few messages who had claimed
their LAD applications were approved ---- a sign of bias-free. 

>From this survey, I can draw the following conclusions:

	o Not all the LADs with July 1, 1993 priority date will get their
	  approval notices before September 30, 1994. 
	
	  The total number of visa for EB3 is 2500 within 1994 fiscal year.
	  It is hard to determine the total number of LADs. A wild guess
	  of 8000 is likely right. I belive that the number of  LADs who are 
	  still in China, who are not eligible for EB3 applications, is
	  fairly small. So there are more than 6000 LADs with July 1, 1993
	  priority date. Clearly there isn't  enough quota in EB3 for all
	  these people. Perhaps they can get visa from 1995 fiscal year quota
	  which starts from  Oct. 1, 1994. 

	o LADs with priority date later than July 1, 1993 are not likely
	  to get their approval notices before Sep. 30, 1994. It is not
	  clear to me if they can get their green cards before Sep. 30, 1995. 
	  (I tend to say 'no'. We need more detail information to make
	   prediction that far away.)	

	o The cutoff date for EB3 is likely to remain on July 2, 1993 for 
	  the next half year to one and half year. 


Thank you very much for participating in this survey. I view this survey 
a success. The result certainly makes me worry. With more information
we can understand this subject better. We can then plan our personal life 
accordingly. The questions in mind are:

	o How many LADs are there at all? The number '8000' has been floated
	  around for a while. Where is it from? How much confidence do 
	  we have with it? What is this number if you were to make a guess
	  besed on the information you know? Is there any better way to get 
	  this number? 

	o How many LADs have their LADs in China? What is the projected
	  time for them to get green cards?

	o How many LADs have already got their green cards(or approval 
	  notices)? (Ji-Cheng Liu"liu@hut4.pha.jhu.edu" asked me to include 
	  it in the survey.) Preassumablely the answer is changing from day 
	  to day. 

	o I got an indirect answer from some knowledgeable/high rank INS office 
	  about how the cutoff date for EB3 progresses or retrogresses. It 
	  surprised me it has a very strong connection with the climate 
	  between Washington D.C and Beijing. I'm not if I belive it. Does 
	  anybody know if it is simply a quota issue? 

	o Is waiting the only thing we can do? Is there anything we can
	  do help the situation? 
	
Good luck to everybody! Hope we can spend more time to look into these
issues although it's hard. Any suggestions, guesses, and insight are welcome.

Best regards,
Qiang Zhu


        -----------------------------------------------
        *****Priority Date distribution for  LADs*****
        -----------------------------------------------
        Priority Date   Total # of LADS     Percentage
        -----------------------------------------------
        July 1, 1993            91		77%
        July 2, 1993            11		9%
        July 3, 1993            1		
        July 6, 1993            4
        July 7, 1993		1            
        July 9, 1993            1
        July 12,1993            1
        July 16,1993            3
        July 19,1993            3
        July 21,1993            1
        July 30,1993            1
        -----------------------------------------------
          Total:                118
        -----------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: Neither the author, nor his employer assumes any legal liability or
	    responsibility for the accuracy of the information and suggestions
	    provided here.

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Re:Q.Zhu's Survey result of the priority day distribution for LADS

1) 8,000 lads estimation came from IFCSS CSPA Service Center. They found that
approximate 1/8 lads/principal ratio among those who registered at the Center.
When the the principal number reported at four Regional Centers soared to 
48,000 last August or September, it was believed that the total lads number
will go beyond 6-8,000. With more undocumented Chinese are added to the pool
of principals, the total number of lads will surely go even larger, but that 
is not the major concern of our internet lads-community.

2) Nothing to do but waiting? To speak the truth, yes. We launched world-wide
quota compaign in order to speed up the lads processing. No achievement 
significant is achieved so far. 

3) How long have we to wait? At most 5 years! We have 4.5 years left, and so 
far so good. INS is a huge slowboat, you got to be very patient with it.
Stupid? Yes! I submited all the documents, along with the statements of
CSPA time window to ESC. And they asked me to submit again! It is okay for
Mi Mi Jr. Because she does not have lads, so the priority date has no
impact on her!

Thans for those who compiled the Status List and the Survey!

Mi Mi Sr.

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Hi, there:

Could you kindly post again the address for signing off the net?

Thanks!


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Dear everybody:
   Thank you very much for your answer. I would like to tell more clear about myfriend status.
   She went to U.S. as F-1 student in 1988. She was F-1 student untill Apr.1993.In May 1993 she went to work with working permit ( still F-1 visa ) and she was
DED (Defered enforced departure). She got PR in July 1993. She is working now.
   My question is what kind form she should file. Does she still get benifit 
from tready between two coutries? In the tready, is there any rule about only 
in first five years the foreigner has the benifit, after five years she/he has 
to file form as a resident(1040 form)?

   Thank you again for your kind answer.
   Appreciate for any response.

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	Hi, there,
	There is INS cable from Washington on March 16, 1994. Effective 
 from March 17, 1994, no visa number is available to LAD for this year.
	My wife got interview and approval on March 17, surely she did
 not got visa number, no stamped. She was told that she has to wait till
 October of 94.
	Good luck everybody!

	H. LIU

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Sorry I have to post a local question here (don't have the guy's address)

To the one who compiled the LAd status list:

Could you please tell me how many lads in chicago get approved as far as you
know? All people I know haven't seen anything. Thank you very much.

Regards,

Xiangdong

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HONGZHI LIU "V099SJKB@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu" wrote:

>	Hi, there,
>	There is INS cable from Washington on March 16, 1994. Effective 
> from March 17, 1994, no visa number is available to LAD for this year.
>	My wife got interview and approval on March 17, surely she did
> not got visa number, no stamped. She was told that she has to wait till
> October of 94.
>	Good luck everybody!
>
>	H. LIU

This was 'predicted' by the survey result on the distribution of priority
date for LADs, which I sent out yesterday. Does anybody else have similar
experience at different INS office? Does anybody have the exactly content
of the 'INS cable from Washington on March 16, 1994'?

Accoding to the 'LAD status list' done by "ping@summit.atmos.colostate.edu", 
there are about 20 INS offices who had issued approval notices. Assuming 
2500 visa are used for LADs in 1994, each office should issue about 125 visa. 
Considering this is done within 21 days(am I right? They only started to 
issue visa on March 1, 1994), it's very likely that not all visa of EB3 for 
1994 are used on LADs.  The fact that processing July 1, 1993 LADs is only 
started on March 1, 1994 might be more convincing. It sounds like the waiting 
period for most people will be quite long --- it is possible that even the 
EB3 quota of 1995 fisical year will not be enough for the people with 
July 1, 1993 priority date. (Recall the survey result: about 6000 LADs have
July 1, 1993 priority date.)

We should try to collect more accurate information.

Best regards,
Qinag Zhu

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Mi Mi Sr"hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu" wrote:
>Re:Q.Zhu's Survey result of the priority day distribution for LADS

>1) 8,000 lads estimation came from IFCSS CSPA Service Center. They found that
>approximate 1/8 lads/principal ratio among those who registered at the Center.
>When the the principal number reported at four Regional Centers soared to 
>48,000 last August or September, it was believed that the total lads number
>will go beyond 6-8,000. With more undocumented Chinese are added to the pool
>of principals, the total number of lads will surely go even larger, but that 
>is not the major concern of our internet lads-community.

I called IFCSS headquarter. I hoped to get more detail information about
how reliable the '8000' number or '1/8 lads/principal ratio'. A person who
didn't worked in 'IFCSS CSPA Service Center' answered my called. All he
could say about it is :'likely', 'probably', 'not clear', etc. I don't
think he belives the number that much. At the end I was able to get Mr.
Shi heping's phone number who worked on it. The number is (703)243-7157.
I called and only reached his anwsering machine. 

I think the information is of interest to a lot of anxious LADs. We should 
try to nail it down. Since the 'IFCSS CSPA Service Center' dealt with 
a lot of applications on CSPA, IF we can make use of those information
to get the '1/8 ratio' (or whatever it is), it should be very reliable. 
--- I haven't seen other better ways to obtain it. 

The IFCSS person told me that the 'IFCSS CSPA Service Center' information 
is there. But they don't have the manpower to look at it. I suspect there exists
some statistics on the applications. We may be able to get that information
from the right person. Does anybody have any 'connection' to obatin that? 
I'll certainly try Mr Shi again --- if somebody knows him, please do so.

If we belives the 1/8 ratio. Then we need the total number of CSPA principals
APPROVED so far. I remeber I saw that number sometime ago. Does anybody
have the most recent update from IFCSS or INS headquarter?  Thanks.


Best regards,
Qiang Zhu

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HONGZHI LIU <V099SJKB@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>	Hi, there,
>	There is INS cable from Washington on March 16, 1994. Effective 
> from March 17, 1994, no visa number is available to LAD for this year.
>	My wife got interview and approval on March 17, surely she did
> not got visa number, no stamped. She was told that she has to wait till
> October of 94.
>	Good luck everybody!
>
>	H. LIU

Unfortunately, I got a confirmation from Chicago INS office from some 
indirect sources. 

Best regards,
Qiang Zhu

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This is a LAD status list. I will update it as soon as
I have time and get new information. Thanks for everyone's help!
Your help is important to somebody else.

ping


   Local INS	       : Status (received approval letters or not)
================================================================
Arlington, VA          : no   (no one?)
Atlanta                : yes  (most people)
Baltimore              : yes  (some people)
Boston, MA	       : no   (no one?)
Buffalo                : yes
Charlotte INS          : yes
Chicago                : yes  (some people)
Cincinnati             : Yes
Dallas, Texas          : no   (at least someone didn't)
Denver, Colorado       : yes  (most people)
Detroit area           : yes  (many people)
Helena, Montana        : yes 

Honolulu, Hawaii       : yes  

Houston, Texas         : yes  (some people)
Indianaplois, IN       : yes  (some got passports stamped)
Jacksonville, Florida  : yes
Kansas City            : no  (some people got interview)                                         

Los Angeles, California: yes  (some people)
Louivelle	       : no
Louisville INS         : yes
Maryland               : yes  (most people)
Memphis                : no   (no one?)
Newark, New Jersey     : yes
New Orlearn INS        : no 

New York City          : yes  (some got approved)
Norfolk, VA            : yes
Omaha INS	       : yes  (at least one)
Pittsiburg	       : no   (no one?)
Portland INS 	       : yes  (interview letters)
Providence,Rhode Island: yes
Philadelphia           : yes  

Sacramento, CA	       : no   (no one?)
San Antonio, Texas     : yes  (certain people)
Seattle, Washington    : no   (no one?)
St. Albans, VT	       : no   (no one?)
St. Paul-Minneapolis   : yes  (some people)
Wichita, Kansas        : yes  (almost half)


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Hi netters
I called ins for filing status, as a PR from last Aug. (my wife was not pr last
year). it is to my advantage to use 1040a only instead of dual status (i have 
a kid and by doing so i can have earned income credit). but a lady, by 
consulting pub. 519, said i must file dual status.
i know that some chose to file l040 only. can we do that?
Any info about this? thanks

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>> HONGZHI LIU "V099SJKB@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu" wrote:

>>       There is INS cable from Washington on March 16, 1994. Effective
>> from March 17, 1994, no visa number is available to LAD for this year.
>>       My wife got interview and approval on March 17, surely she did
>> not got visa number, no stamped. She was told that she has to wait till
>> October of 94.

> This was 'predicted' by the survey result on the distribution of priority
> date for LADs, which I sent out yesterday. Does anybody else have similar
> experience at different INS office? Does anybody have the exactly content
> of the 'INS cable from Washington on March 16, 1994'?

A friend of mine went to INS at Cincinatti for the LAD interview on March 18.
He was told that all the visa numbers were used up. He will have to wait at
least till early April, as the officer asid. But the officer didn't tell him
when the visa number is going to be available. Someone else got her passport
stamped right after her LAD interview from the same office one week before...

Luping


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Pub 519, pp 2, 1 Nonresident Alien or Resident Alien:
You are a resident alien of the United States for tax purposes if you meet 
either the greencard test or the substantial presence test for the calendar 
year ... Even if you do not meet either of these tests, you MAY be able to 
choose to be treated as a U.S. resident for the part of the year.

My accountant helped me file 1040 today. 

According to him, I got some $500 EIC back. 

Mi Mi Sr.

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The 1/8 ratio was carried by IFCSS NR, and should be ftpable from both CND
and IFCSS.org. Any kindly soul will try to sort it out to share with us?

It is pitty we could not push lads into the world pool. Otherwise we should
not have such a problem. Not only lads, but all the LC applying through EB3
will suffer .........


Mi Mi Sr.

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Dear friends,
    My six-years-old son is still in China. The application for his PR has been
approved (form I-130) by INS, and the approval has been sent to US consulate
  in Guangzhou. My priority date is July 1, 1993. What I anxiously want to know
 is, under such circomstance, if there is any way for my son to come to the Sta
tes sooner and what I can do to make that happen. I wonder if any one has simil
ar situation.
    Any informations or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
                                                            Liu

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The visa number for lads is FREEZING. But information from different 
INS reported here are not consistent. For example, some say no visa 
number 'till next year, some say 'till this April, and some others. 

It is very clear that INS's have no visa number NOW as of March 17. 
The question we want to know now should be: 

    	How long will we wait until the next visa number available?

We have to find out WHY INS do not have visa number available for lads now. 
The answers could be:

1) all the china EB3 quota have gone for the year 1993.
2) they have a percentage for the visa number that they can use in each 
   month at each local INS location and they've used up March's allowable 
   visa nubmers for lads.
3) some other reasons.

The clue could be in what the INS officers had told those lads who got 
interviewed on March 17, 18.  The more cases we have, the better we can 
guess.

I happen to have a copy of INS cable of March 16. This is a xerox copy 
of the cable that Buffalo, NY, INS officer gave a lad after the interview 
on March 17. (she did not get a visa number on that day neither, by the 
way.) The full text is at the end of this message. I'm calling for 
further discussion. From the cable, it looks like the current number 
freeze applies at least to both March and April.

Since the INS cable was issued on March 16, it should not be suprised 
that those lads who had interviewed week(s) before March 16 got 
approval stamps. 

It is a general pratice that INS will issue interview letters only when 
they know or at least are anticipating any available visa numbers. I 
would say that no interview letters will be issued to lads for a while 
from now on, because there are no visa numbers for lads now. So if there 
are any interview letters in April or May or even later month would be 
good sign of lifting. Please keep each other informed on this matter. 

One thing to remind: You should considered yourself being a PR ONLY
if you got the stamps or the approval letter. Passing the interview 
itself only means they CAN give your a visa nubmer (which is a PR). 
But when there is no visa number available after the interview, you are 
still not a PR yet. (It IS confusion because it usually doesn't work that 
way.) This is important for those who currently have a job on working 
permission and with F,J-2 etc. visa. 

Full text of INS cable of March 16 follows. Please note that the letter 
format, and ALL the capitals and underlines are original.
=========================================================================
        
    	             IMPORTANT CHINA E3 NEWS FLASH

    					United States Department of State

    					Washington, D.C. 20520

    					March 16, 1994



TO:		INS SECTION 245 ADJUDICTIONS UNITS

FROM:		Visa Office -  IMMIGRATION VISA CONTROL

SUBJECT:	CHINA-mainland born EMPLOYMENT THIRD PREFERENCE
    		VISA NUMBER AVAILABILITY

REF:		VO'S Notice of March 14, 1994



Notwithstanding the cut-off dates in the March and April visa Bulletins, 

as of opening of business on Thursday, March 17, CHINA E3 NUMBERS MAY ONLY 
                                                 ------------------------
BE ALLOCATED TO APPLICANTS WITH PRIORITY DATES EARLIER THAN JULY 1, 1993.
------------------------------------------------------------------------


Please note that the information above concerns CHINA E39 and E30 

applicants; it does not concern CSPA principals being adjudicated in the 
                    ---
EC6 category.


CHINA E3 applicants with a priority date earlier than July 1, 1993 may 
                                         -------
be alllocated numbers.



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Seems to me the visa number is not available ONLY to those who's
priority date is later than July 1. Virtualy it excludes all the lads
since the earliest priority date for lads is July 1.

For those who have lads in China, please please pay attention to the
lobby effort which will enact laws to allow dependents to come to US
with a new type of visa category.




Mi Mi Sr.

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I can think of 5 possibilities (best -> worst scenario):

1) INS is considering allocating visa numbers for LADs from world pool. (highly
   unlikely).

2) INS feels the continuing flux of EB3 visa numbers is getting out of control
   (it might be eaten up quickly before they realize).  So they need a little
   time to have a systematic approach.

3) INS believes those with priority dates before 7/1 (those who are not LADs)
   should have a higher priority, but the large number (uncommon to their
   normal processes) of 7/1/93 dated LADs may deprive those before 7/1 of the
   entitled visa number for this year.  This cable is just one to allow INS to
   complete the processing of those before 7/1/93.

4) INS is setting up limits under China EB3 for LADs so other applicants can
   have a chance also.  (highly unlikely, this is not according to the law
   which entitles LADs the normal EB3 eligibility).

5) this year's China EB3 is already used up.  (ALARM ALARM ALARM)
   We need IFCSS or Dr. Haiqing Zhao's organization to work with us:  make
   official contacts with high level INS and/or state department officials
   about the visa numbers alrady allocated for China EB3 this year.

Seems like the more we speculate, the more likely we are making up our "David
Letterman's Top 10 list" :-)  

I hope this matter can be cleared up with a clear answer from INS for the
reason why the number is freezed up.

- Jimmy

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>From the cable text provided by yangsheng@bigvax.alfred.edu, I belive that 
the EB3 quota for 1994 fisical year isn't used up yet. After the cut-off date 
was moved to July 2, 1993, the demand for visa numbers soars to skies. 
Due the following reasons: (1) not many visa numbers are left; and (2) there
is still 6 months to go for 1994 fisical year, not need to rush for INS, 
the State Department feels there is a need to make a restriction. ----
my version of explaination.

I don't there are many people with priority date earlier than July 1, 1993 in
EB3. So I think sooner or later, some LADs with July 1,1993 priority date
will still get their green card before Sept. 30, 1994. 

Good luck!

Best regards,
Qiang Zhu

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Just received a letter from the Justice Department, which concerns the
petition drive letter we had sent to the White House. Nothing is new.
Only this time it is not a form letter, which we got identical copies.

1,500 signatures just made White House to forward our petition letter
to the Justice Department, and no Bill Clinton's attention is gotten.
(He is occupied fully by White Water, poor man!).

I will keep you informed of this matter.

It seems lads' visa number is frozen indefinitely for the time being.
It is good for those non-lads applicants, whose priority date is before
CSPA.

One of my LC friends is trying to avoid EB3, since his lawyer had told him
EB3 would be extremely slow. But to qualify for EB2 is much much difficult
than EB3.

Mi Mi Sr.


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Dear Netters:  I appreciate very much for your suggestions, information, experi
ences, and your kind sympathy.  Now we face new problems and need your kind
advice.  I am a CSPA. My spouse is a J-1 holder LAD. His PR application was
rejected due to no 2-year waiver. Now the Chinese consulate in Chicago informed
us that they can help my spouse to apply the 2-year waiver because they receive
d the "no objection" letter from my spouse's workimg unit in China. My spouse
was told to prepare all needed documents including a letter from America that
he is accepted to change visa status ( that means he is hired, and the J-1
status can be changed). However, we have no way to get a this kind of letter,
because his J-1 visa expired on Feb.14,1994, that means he can not apply any
jobs due to out of status. My questions are: 1) Is it still possible to apply
2-year waiver when out of status? ( the consulate does not know). 2) We don't
know exactly what kind of letter should we get from America?  3) Is it possible
 to get a employment letter after visa expiration?  Any advice will be apprecia
te.     3/22/94  12:30pm

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Dear Netters:


The following is exerpted for CND(US).  I am wondering what is "notification
of the visa approval" and what it means by "fails to apply for permanent 
residence".  Does it refer to the process of application?  If one submits 
an petition, then the process is up to the local INS.  Once he/she obtains
an approval, I think he/she will get an GC.  I am a little confused.

Thanks for any comment.

XL
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(1) I-140 Expiration Answer
_From: Natalia WALTER, 03/13/94

Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about whether an I-140
approval could be lost if the individual did not complete the last step in
permanent residence processing by a certain time.  After doing a little
research I think I found the answer in Fragomen & Bell's Immigration
Fundamentals: A Guide to Law and Practice. (Practising Law Institute, 1992)
pp. 2-63, 2-64. And the answer is YES, if the "alien" fails to apply for
permanent residence following notification of the visa approval, after ONE
YEAR, the petition will be "automatically revoked when the Department of State
terminates the registration of an alien eligible to apply for an immigrant
visa.  Sec. 203(g) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. sec. 1153(g)."

I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has experience to the contrary.
                                ___ ___ ___

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Hi, everyone,

1/8 was mentioned in net as the ratio for LADs to CSPA principals.
It seems it should be 1:5.  Please read the followed news release
from IFCSS last year.

======================the included message =======================
Date:         Thu, 19 Aug 1993 10:51:20 -0400
Reply-To:     IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
>From:         IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Current Status of CSPA and Visa Numbers for China
(IFCSS HQ NR 5038)

**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarter News Release No. 5038            Aug 18, 1993
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu



       Current Status of CSPA and Visa Numbers for China
       =================================================
.......

          We have no way to find out how many late-arriving
dependents have applied, since their applications are filed with
local offices and got mixed up with other applications. However,
according to our survey, the ratio between late-arriving dependents
and principals plus early-arriving dependents are 1:5. Therefore,
the total number of late-arriving dependents should be around
8,000. About half of these dependents are not eligible to file
under the employment-based 3rd preference, because the current
regulations provide that only those who have continuously
maintained lawful status are eligible to apply. So the actual
number of late-arriving dependents who apply should be around
4,000. It is true that applications are still coming in under CSPA,
and yet we should be aware that not all those who have filed will
be approved.
.....
===============================================================

I have a question to the following sentences:
     " About half of these dependents are not eligible to file
under the employment-based 3rd preference, because the current
regulations provide that only those who have continuously
maintained lawful status are eligible to apply.  So the actual
number of late-arriving dependents who apply should be around
4,000".
Are there so many LADs who are not eligible to apply ?  What is the
meaning of "have continuously maintained Lawful status"?   We Know
DED may have problems.  What about the F1 students who did not take
fully time courses in the middle of their programs (for example,
take only 6 credits in one semester) ?  Is it possible that he or
she was referred to as "failed to continuously maintain Lawful
status" by INS, even though they continuously had F1 visa?  Some
LADs were asked to show transcripts in interview.  does that means
the INS officer would check their credits for each semester?   Any
answer will be very appreciated.

H. Wang

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H. wang wrote:
| I have a question to the following sentences:
|      " About half of these dependents are not eligible to file
| under the employment-based 3rd preference, because the current
| regulations provide that only those who have continuously
| maintained lawful status are eligible to apply.  So the actual
| number of late-arriving dependents who apply should be around
| 4,000".
| Are there so many LADs who are not eligible to apply ?  What is the
| meaning of "have continuously maintained Lawful status"?   We Know
| DED may have problems.  What about the F1 students who did not take
| fully time courses in the middle of their programs (for example,
| take only 6 credits in one semester) ?  Is it possible that he or

  The above statement you quoted may not be correct.  Out-of-status LADs, as
  the group is called, can apply under EB-3 by using I-824 (getting an
  immigration visa out of U.S. instead of adjusting status within U.S.).

| she was referred to as "failed to continuously maintain Lawful
| status" by INS, even though they continuously had F1 visa?  Some
| LADs were asked to show transcripts in interview.  does that means
| the INS officer would check their credits for each semester?   Any
| answer will be very appreciated.

  It all depends on if the F-1 LAD would be considered out-of-status during the
  period he/she didn't take a full-time study load.  Some may and some may not,
  at the mercy of different INS examiners and also supporting evidence
  (International Office's agreement, special circumstances during the semester,
  etc.)  Once considered out-of-status, the way to get PR is by submitting
  I-824 for consulate processing.  The LAD still retains the priority date of
  the principle, and theoretically they stay in the same queue as those
  adjusting status (I-485 application).  The disadvantage is the expense for
  travelling outside of the country for a Visa.  Some may choose a consulate
  near U.S. (e.g. Juarez, Mexico), some may choose a consulate in China.  

  Email me privately if you have more problems / questions.

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Here is a hard case to answer. Any comments from any of our 1000 netters?

Mi Mi Sr.

========forwarded message bellow======================
   Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 11:03:47 -0600
   From: "Dawning S. Liu" <liu@farml1.agecon.uiuc.edu>

   Dear Mi Mi Sr.: 

	   A friend of mine asks me to post this to seek your advice and

   suggestions. The situation is like this. He is a CSPA principal and got

   a green card last December. His wife is a LAD. My friend filed I-485

   for his wife last September and his wife had an interview last November.

   Currently, her PR application is pending. Unfortunately, they decided to 

   divorce (for reasons hard to tell). My questions is if they divorced, is the 

   PR application still approvable. If the answer is NO, what can they do. 

   Your reply will be very much appreciated. If you have no answer to this,

   can you post this to the lads-l network. 

   Thank you very much. 

   Zhang


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According to the NR, there were estimated 8,000 lads, and half of them 
are out-of-status, so they may not be able to compete. 

Out-status includes: dependent visa (F-2, J-2, etc) with an out-of-status
principal, who was no longer a F-1, J-1 holder; dependent but with 
independent visa (F-1, J-1, etc), those would not be considered out-of-status
just because their spouse or parents were out-of-status, but would be if
they lost their own F-1, J-1 status.

We have cases that lads with dependent visa from out-of-status principals
got interviewed and approved right here in the States. So, the competing 
lads includes the DED lads. That means 4,000 estimation is the minimum. 
Even so, there are not enough visa numbers to accommandate 4,000 lads
this year.


Mi Mi Sr.




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F-1 holder MUST take full time program to keep F-1 status. If he/she
fails to maintain as a full time student for JUST ONE semester, then
he/she IS NOT an F-1 student anymore. 

There are many occasions that one can keep his/her F-1 status while
not taking full time courses. Leave on sick, special programs, no more
course to take, etc. It MUST be approved by your academic advisors,
and your foreign student advisors. If they give you a break, you are 
okay. If they do not, then you are in trouble. Speak to your advisors
before confronting the INS examiner. It is much easier doing this way.

Good luck everybody


Mi Mi Sr.



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There are publications on how to file Dual-Status tax return. You can get
the booklets from your foreign student advisor. To file 1040, 1040A only or
both 1040NR and 1040 or 1040A realy dependes on your own situation. Try to 
figure out which one saves your money, and less harmful. Many suggest
that filing 1040NR only will show that you do not intend to live in this 
country permanently, so your GC maybe in trouble.

For me, I thought of Dual-Status first, then settled down with 1040 only.

I found out, in my case, 1040 saves more. 


Mi Mi Sr.


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According to the August IFCSS NR, there are at least 4,000 lads who are
qualified to apply EB-3, because their principals were in-status upon 
July 1. Another estimation made by a netter through the survey, there
are 77% lads with 7/1/93 date. So, there are 3,000 qualifying lads, both
in status and on time, live out there! It is ONE YEAR worth of the China's
EB-3 quota, isn't it?

So, July 1 will probaby stay for a while!

Mi Mi

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We have a friend. Her husband still holds J-1 student visa.
She had income last year. She thought she passed 183 day test
for resident. So she is going to fill 1040 form and let her
husband follow her. In this way, she can include her son and her
mother as her dependents. And she can apply EIC for her son.
Is there any thing wrong for her? Otherwise this is a way to save
money for many chinese with green card.

ping

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Hi,

My wife a LAD received her approval letter yesterday. The letter
was sent out from Baltimore INS dated on March 20, 1994. Her
application was filed last August. One of my friends, also a LAD
received the approval letter at the same time. They are asked to
go to the INS office to have their passports stamped. This
Information me be relevant to the widely speculated INS March 16
cable. For your reference ONLY.

Good Luke people there.

ZW

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Begin forwarded message:


We have a friend. Her husband still holds J-1 student visa.
She had income last year. She thought she passed 183 day test
for resident. So she is going to fill 1040 form and let her
husband follow her. In this way, she can include her son and her
mother as her dependents. And she can apply EIC for her son.
Is there any thing wrong for her? Otherwise this is a way to save
money for many chinese with green card.
                       *****
I mean without green card!
ping


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You are right. Thanks. But you mean she can fill 1040 form without
claiming depedents, right?

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>From: Xinjian Guo -- Yale Astronomy Dept <GUO@halo.astro.yale.edu>
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Read 1040 instruction on claiming dependents carefully, I don't think  
your
friend can claim any non-resident alien (her mom, even her son) as
dependent for the tax purpose.

Guo


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Does Pub. 519 specify J-2/F-2 must fill 1040NR?

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>From the Pub. 519, J-1/J-2 and F-1/F-2 holders are not RESIDENT even  
though
they have been in the US for more than 183 days.  The only form they  
can fill
out is 1040NR and benifit from the treaty beteen US and China.


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Dear netters: 
	Here is the information I would like to share with you. I have
just come back from Charlston INS (SC) where my lad's interview was conducted.
The officer tald me that the priority date for lad was principal's notice date
instead of principal's priority date. He also wrote down the priority date on
the I-181(a). My guess is INS has determined to use this approach to line up 
the visa number issuing for EB3-lad. Obviously, this was the followup of the
Cable of march 16 since the earlier interviewer didn't get the priority date 
on I-181(a) as I have checked.
	Is this against the Regulation of CSPA. Please comment!

	CZ


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> Dear netters: 
> 	Here is the information I would like to share with you. I have
> just come back from Charlston INS (SC) where my lad's interview was conducted.
> The officer tald me that the priority date for lad was principal's notice date
> instead of principal's priority date. He also wrote down the priority date on
> the I-181(a). My guess is INS has determined to use this approach to line up 
> the visa number issuing for EB3-lad. Obviously, this was the followup of the
> Cable of march 16 since the earlier interviewer didn't get the priority date 
> on I-181(a) as I have checked.
> 	Is this against the Regulation of CSPA. Please comment!

	Yes, I think so.  It was made clear that the LADS priority
	date will be the CSPA principal's priority date.

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Sino-US Tax treaty DOES NOT apply to F-2/J-2 holders. Please read the articles
carefully. 

Mi Mi Sr.


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   Date:         Thu, 24 Mar 94 18:24:11 EST
   From: CAXHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

   DON'T DIVORCE UNTILL THE PR APPLICATION GET APPROVED. THAT MEANS YOU MAY HAVE T
   O WAIT AT LEAST 6 MONTH.


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   Date:         Thu, 24 Mar 94 18:04:03 EST
   From: CAXHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

   ACCORDIN TO WORLD JOURNAL REPORT ON3/24/94 INS ALREADY ISSUED 2700 EB3 NUMBER I
   N MARCH, 1994. IF THE NUMBER 3000 IS TRUE ,ALL REMAINING LADS WILL BE HOPEFUL T
   O GET APPROVAL IN OCTOBER,1994. THIS IS NOT BAD.


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>From:	SMTP%"hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu" 24-MAR-1994 19:17:31.96
>To:	ZHU
>CC:	
>Subj:	How many lads with 7/1/93 date?
 >  Date:         Thu, 24 Mar 94 18:04:03 EST
  > From: CAXHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
 >  ACCORDIN TO WORLD JOURNAL REPORT ON3/24/94 INS ALREADY ISSUED 2700 EB3 NUMBER I
  > N MARCH, 1994. IF THE NUMBER 3000 IS TRUE ,ALL REMAINING LADS WILL BE HOPEFUL T
   >O GET APPROVAL IN OCTOBER,1994. THIS IS NOT BAD.

I don't understand the number 2700. My understanding is that the annual quota 
for EB3 is 2500. How could INS issue 2700 in March? Apparently INS has to use 
the quota of 1994 which is at most 2500. Besides, according to the information
about the Washington cable in this net, INS freezed issuing visa for July 1,1993
proiority date. But they can still issue visa number for people with ealier
priority date. That suggests that the quota for 1994 fisical year HAS NOT been
used out. 
 
Can somebody provide more information about the World Journal, i.e. detail
words, phone number of World Journal? I think we should call them to see
if they can provide more information on it.
 
Best regards,
Qiang Zhu

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I also read the WJ today. It says by the midle of March, 2,700 lads have been 
approved through EB-3. So State Department stops issuing visa numbers to
EB3 applicants. It says the visa number will retrogress in May.

I also do not understand why 2,700. I do not know if it includes the numbers
issued during fiscal 1993, remember last August to September it was 
current, and may lads applied at that time? If 2,700 is acumulative, then
it is OKAY, but........

Mi Mi Sr.

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What is the total number available under EB-3 per year?
Any statistics how many LADs applied already?

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Mi Mi Sr"hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu" wrote:
>I also read the WJ today. It says by the midle of March, 2,700 lads have been 
>approved through EB-3. So State Department stops issuing visa numbers to
>EB3 applicants. It says the visa number will retrogress in May.

>I also do not understand why 2,700. I do not know if it includes the numbers
>issued during fiscal 1993, remember last August to September it was 
>current, and may lads applied at that time? If 2,700 is acumulative, then
>it is OKAY, but........

>Mi Mi Sr.

There is certainly such a possibility. That is then good news for LADs. 
Could somebody call WJ to verify what they said: do they mean to be 'before
the middle of March 1994', or they really mean to say 'in March 1994'? 

If somebody provides WJ phone number(I don't have a copy of WJ at hand), I'll
certanly call them ---even if it's a waste of time ---they may not 
know or won't answer questions, etc. I think it's worth trying. 

I think the best channel to know how many LADs have got their green cards is 
directly through the State Department. It controls the visa. The difficulty
with LADs issue is that LOCAL INS offices handle applications. I talked
to IFCSS. They said they normally deal with INS headquarter. The LADs
application procedure defeats their method. If IFCSS can get information 
directly from the State Department for some reason --- it has to be good for 
the State Department, we can know this number exactly. We have to find a reason 
for IFCSS to ask the State Department for that number --- probably more than 
just curiosity. Does somebody have a brit ideal?

Did WJ say where it got that number, directly from the State Department?
If so, we can belive it. 

The popular estimate of total LAds is 8000. (I talked to somebody who IFCSS 
directed me to about the ratio of LADs to principals. They actually did a 
survey on 5000 applications to get that ratio. So I think the ratio is 
pretty realible.)

In my early survey, I concluded that 77% of LADs have July 1, 1993 priority
date. IFCSS claimed that, in one of its News Release,  only half are eligble 
for EB3 application because of the out-of-status issue. I'm not sure if we
can belive that --- especially because each INS office handles application
differently regarding to the out-of-status issue. In any case, the LADs
eligible for EB3 are between 4000 to 8000. It means that 3100 to 6200 LADs 
have July 1, 1993 priority date. Subtracting 2700 LADs, we know that only 
400 to 3500 LADs with July 1, 1993 are waiting. It is encouraging that the 
cutoff date will likely move forward --- July 3, 1994 or later, in October
( the beginning of 1995 fisical year.)

Of course, there is little hope that many LADs will get their green cards
before Sept. 30, 1994 --- implied by the Washington cable that there ARE
some quota for 1994 quota, but NOT many...

One more comment: it is likely that the cutoff date for EB3 will retrogress
in May as said in WJ. The Washinton calbe clearly says so. If the State 
Department could change the cutoff date immediately( in normally procedure, 
it predicts the cutoff date about one month advance. I suspect it's from 
some knid of law.), they hadn't have to issue a cable. They would change
the cutoff date immediately--if they could. But I doubt that there are many
people in EB3 queue with priority date earlier than July 1, 1993. Don't
worry too much even if the cutoff date retrogress in May.

Keep trying. 

Best regards,
Qiang Zhu


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Mar 25 10:22:19 1994
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Reply-To: czhu@ENG.CLEMSON.EDU
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>From: czhu@ENG.CLEMSON.EDU(chaoying zhu)
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Subject: priority date

Dear netters:
	Here is the information I would like to share with you. I have
just come back from Charleston INS (SC) where my lad's interview was
conducted.
The officer tald me that the priority date for lad was principal's notice
date
instead of principal's priority date. He also wrote down the priority date on
the I-181(a). My guess is INS has determined to use this approach to line up
the visa number issuing for EB3-lad. Obviously, this was the followup of the
Cable of march 16 since the earlier interviewer didn't get the priority date
on I-181(a) as I have checked.
	Is this against the Regulation of CSPA. Please comment!

	CZ

===============================================

We had the same result on the same day for lads interview there too
although we all questioned about this change in priority date for lads
was different from what stated in CSPA regulation.  Finally he said that
we need to write to the District Office in Atlanta if we still think
that was wrong.  We have checked with lads in this area who interviewed
in Charleston early last month they were all interviewed by the same
officer and got the same priority date as their principal's.  Now we have
a question which need your info and comments:

What's the priority date for those lads interviewed recently( after the 3/16
cable ?) within the INS Atlanta District Office area (Alabama, Georgia, South
Carolina, ...) and outside this area?  Is that your principal's priority date
or notice date.  Normally it is written on the bottom of your I-181(a) when
your interview finished by the interviewer.

Thanks advance.

XXU


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WJ's number: operator: (718)-746-9006 (English)
(718)-746-8889 (Chinese)
          
State Department operates on cutoff date, as far as I know, arbitrarily,
according to the demands. It should give one month in advance, by 10th the 
previous month. It must find out, the request was so heavy that after 3/10 
posting the cutoff date for April, there was not much left for the fiscal 
1994, and, it makes sense to cable locals to stop request the scarce visa 
numbers before April ends. In this light, the cutoff date will retrogress
for May. 

Just my speculations.

Mi Mi Sr.



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Hi, Dear Netter:

	I heard that a lad in China got herself an interview notice.

	Her husband got his PR through CSPA and filed I-824 for his wife last Nov. It seems like that visas are being issured both here and in China. Good luck to all the lads in China. 

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Hi, Dear Netter:

        I heard that a lad in China got herself an interview notice from US Consulate in Guangzhou.
        Her husband got his PR through CSPA and filed I-824 for his wife last Nov. It seems like that visas are being issured both here and in China. Good luck to all the lads in China. 

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Mar 25 14:33:38 1994
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Dear Mr. Mi Mi,  I had two jobs in 1993 and every boss paid social security
tax (S.S.Tax) to IRS for me. I think one S.S.Tax is enough for my 4 poinds in
 1993. My question is that can I ask deduct more my one another S.S.Tax money
 to me on Form 1040? If I can, what another Form can I submit (claim) for
that in order to company with my Form 1040? And if I can not do that, can I
use that tax money to pay my owed (un-withheld) Federal and local taxes in
1993 in stead of deducting it to me directly? Thank you very much for your
help.

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   Those who have not received GC can call the number to check the status
   of your card production. Please have your A# ready before you call.
   Once again, the # is: (214)655-1500
   Jon


Mi Mi Sr.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Mar 25 15:39:36 1994
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Can anyone clarify me the difference btwn 1040 and 1040A?

Thanks in advance.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Mar 25 21:31:55 1994
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Dear Friends:

I wonder whether the final CSPA Regulation has been
out. 
We had INS Regulation called "interim rule". Now
almost one year has gone since the "interim rule"
was out.
I never heard about Final INS Regulation on the
Implementation of CSPA.
There are still many people who are either waiting or
whose applications
are still pending because of various reasons such as
90-day problem,
illegal entry problems, ... etc. 
I appreciate if anyone keeps us informed. Thanks.


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please change my email address from "zhengjie@uclink.berkeley.edu" to 
"henryzhu@ocf.berkeley.edu".

Thanks.



ZH

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Hello, Iwould like to sign off the network od LAD. Thank you very much for
your help. J> Zhang

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Forwarded Message:



   Date:         Sat, 26 Mar 94 00:31:01 EST
   From: 207687%UMDD.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU


   Dear Mi Mi,
     I'm replying to your message as a way to reach out the whole list.
     I'm not sure if it only gets back to you or automatically to our
     LAD network.  If the former    , please help forward the following
     for me. Thanks.
     Just a piece of good news to share. My wife as LAD got  her
     approval letter from Baltimore INS today. It was dated March 21.
     So, the story of INS cable seems over. What it is needed now is
     a bit more patience. Good luck to you all. Best wishes, Jay.



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Dallas INS sends notice of I-824 approval (approval date 3-22-94).

- Jimmy

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I am wondering whether those idiots who want to sign off have been in 
this list or not.  There have been so many warn messages telling them
that they HAVE TO SIGN OFF from the listserv.  They are deaf or blind?
I just can't understand how those MSs and PhDs can be studying in U.S
where computers are played around by 5-year-old kids in many ordinary
families.  Can some one give me a clue?

Geping




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Strongly agree.  But I am not sure if it's because of their intellectual
defficiencies or not.  I have one guy sending me twice the message that 
he don't want to receive my message to the lads net.  I believe he configured
his mail handler that way.  If one is capable of doing this, he/she should 
not lack the ability to find out how to withdraw from the net.  Yet, after 
the first time I pointed out that to him, I received the same message for 
annother posting I made.
All I can do is sign, and dito his message back to him.


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Mar 26 14:19:08 1994
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===== Yi Guo previously wrote: =====
> 
> Strongly agree.  But I am not sure if it's because of their intellectual
> defficiencies or not.  I have one guy sending me twice the message that 
> 

Well, all I am doing now is to ignore it. It is the netters responsibility
to know how to signoff. The greeting message sent by listserv clearly
states how to use the listserv. Well, if someone is lazy enough not to
read the message, then he is bound to continue receive "junk" mails.

As I said before, I won't help anyone to sign off if s/he post such
request to lads-l listserv, that would just encourage people to flood
the net with real junk mails. Unless they lost the original account and
can't sign off from the net, in which case they should send me a
personal email asking for signoff help. In any case, it is still one's
responsibility to signoff before s/he lost the original email account.


Jun
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From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Mar 26 17:14:37 1994
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Subject: EIC for lads
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The CSPA tax stuff has been floating around on this net for days. Honestly
speaking, no body can give a clear cut view for how to cut taxes. That is
why there are so many professionals out there reaping the cash during tax
season. 

Which way is better realy dependes on your situations. As CSPAer, you 
can not use 1040NR, or at least use both 1040NR and 1040, as dual status.
Pub 519 containes the instructions on how to file dual status. Pub. 901
gives the treaty text. All of those can be found at your foreign student
advisor's office. Basically, the main point is to calculate under your 
situation, which approach gives you the most non-taxable amount. Remember,
scholarships and fellowships is taxable when you file 1040, only the portion
spent for the tuition and course-related expenses are nontaxable. Read the 
1040 carefully. If you file 1040, you get $3,100 + $2,350 standard deduction
each pereson, if you file 1040NR, that is $5,000+$2,350 for yourself only. 

I found an accountant even for myself. That is impossible for me to answer
everyone's questions. Ask you for your patience and time.

For those signoffs, please keep my signature for your future use. When
netters come all over the country to join this net, that means somebody
IS GIVING SOMETHING here. Please respect the others. Please clean up
after yourselves when you finished being served. If you really have 
difficulties signoff by yourselves, send a message to snow@spike.rice.edu
for help, and please say "Thank You!" At least we DESERVE this, your stay
with us for so long is the proof. Thank you for being with us.

Mi Mi Sr.



%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%   
% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., Member of Lads-Net Committee                %
%                 & In-State-Tuition Task Force               %       
% Sign on/off at listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:   %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
%    sub tuition-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff tuition-l   %
% Post at lads-l@spike.rice.edu, or tuition-l@spike.rice.edu  %
% Anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu, in /lads/ or /tuition/     %
% Sign our petition letter at lads-sig@spike.rice.edu.        %
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% Mr. Mi Mi, Sr., Member of Lads-Net Committee                %
%                 & In-State-Tuition Task Force               %       
% Sign on/off at listserv@spike.rice.edu, with mailbody as:   %
%    sub lads-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff lads-l         %
%    sub tuition-l Firstname Lastname, or signoff tuition-l   %
% Post at lads-l@spike.rice.edu, or tuition-l@spike.rice.edu  %
% Anonymous ftp at spike.rice.edu, in /lads/ or /tuition/     %
% Sign our petition letter at lads-sig@spike.rice.edu.        %
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From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Mar 28 12:12:45 1994
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This message is automatically sent out every week, in an attempt to reduce
the signoff request posted on LADnet. Please read it and understand the
basic functions of this listserv. Please do not post signoff messages
to a public discussion list. Thank you.

Jun Wu -- listowner, LADS-L

=========================================================================
Dear friend,

	Welcome to the Late-Arrival-DependentS-List (LADS-L).

	LADS-L is a list dedicated to solve problems related to LADs of
Chinese-Students-Protection-Act (CSPA) principals. The list is maintained
by a group of voluntary Chinese Students, just like you. Netters who want
to express concerns or ask questions or provide answers to questions
should send mail to lads-l@spike.rice.edu.

	To sign off LADS-L, please send an email to "listserv@spike.rice.edu",
with mailbody as   "signoff LADS-L", from the account where you subscribed
to the list. If you have real problem signoff after the above attempt, please
drop a note to snow@spike.rice.edu.

	All backup issues for LADS-L can retrieved via anonymous ftp from
spike.rice.edu (128.42.4.157), directory /pub/lads

	This is an automatically generated message, please do not reply.


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Mar 28 19:33:03 1994
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This is for your information.

Today, I went to Immigration Salt Lake City office. The officer there told me
that today they received a cable from headquarter saying that the visa
numbers for the near future are used up. The priority date has been therefore
rolled back one day: from July 1, 1993 to June 30, 1993. Those who get
interviewed from today on can't get the approval notice until visa numbers
are available again. Please check visa availability by mid-April. Good luck. 
Yang   

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Thanks for the help and please sign me off.

ZH

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From: liuy0813@mstr.hgc.edu (yinghui liu)
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Hi friends, any one knows how to renew private passport, especially for
out-of-status dependants? I heard that passports can be renewed for 5 years.
But I wonder if they require you to have legal statuses and how they count the
5 years periods. Anybody can help? Please!
Thanks a lot,
liu
.ak

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If you are out-of-status, you may need reapply passport instead of renew.
it's not difficult than renew. the 5 year period is from the date issuing
your passport.

xiaomin hu

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I do not think there is any problem to renew your passport, if it is a
private one. Nobody cares your status, at the consulate. Even illegaly entered
can get a passport issued. Please call (212)-502-0241 for info.

Mi Mi Sr.

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   Hi friends, any one knows how to renew private passport, especially for
   out-of-status dependants? I heard that passports can be renewed for 5 years.
   But I wonder if they require you to have legal statuses and how they count the
   5 years periods. Anybody can help? Please!
   Thanks a lot,
   liu
   .ak


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There is the problem for the definition of "out-of status", Chinese or
American, which one? Liu says "for out-of-staus dependent", so it is for 
a lad, some the paasport is still valid considering the 5 year valid period.

If the only American status is "out", your passport maybe is  still good. 
If the passport expires, American status maybe is  still good.


Just call (212)-502-0241, China Consulate General in New York City 
for information. 

Mi Mi  Sr.

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Dear Mi Mi, I have a question about tax filling. I am a principal of CSPA. I
was approved to become PR on Sep. 27, 1993 on the Approval Notice but the
time I received and knew about it on Oct. 7, 1993. My question is that, when
I fill as dual status, can I get credit (income tax exemption) from Jan. up
to Sep., 1993? Or just up to Aug., 1993? Thank you very much for help.

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I have the following questions regarding lad application:

1)  Can second evidence (such as affidavits from parents) be used 
    when birth certificate is not available?

2)  If one didn't apply for work permit when he/she applied for greencard,
    can he/she apply for work permit now (when the only evidents of having
    applied for greencard is a returned check and cash receipt from INS,
    ie, no formal receipt or any response from INS)?

3)  What should we do if we move when the lad application is still pending?
    Should we write INS or go to their office to inform them the new address?

Thanks in advance.

LC

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In pub 519, there are very detailed examples on how to file dual-status
income tax. As I have stressed many times, you can elect either dual-status
or resident-status filing your tax. Which way is better? It dependes on
your own situation, and calculations. You have to try both, to see which
one saves you MORE money, and settle down with that option. I decided, by
mere calculation, to file as a resident. In that case, I can't claim treaty
benefits, but the resident standard deduction plus EIC gives me more. Then
I tried to locat an accountant, since I am not sure about the local taxes,
and the new status. But, after paying the accountant, when I had straightened
must of the items on the 1040 form, I found the accountant was right only 
on the most general situations. He told my scholarship & fellowship are
taxable, and my tuition expenses are not deductable. That are generally true
but, on 1040 instructions page 16, the amount of  scholarship & fellowship
spent on tuition and course-related amount ARE not taxable. By writing off
that amount (after checking all the documents I have, and put them together
in case there will be an auditing later on), I got $253 back as the result
of my study. So, my conclusion is, you have to do some research, if you 
want to save the maximum amount of your money. If you are not sure at the 
beginning, find an accountant, pay him some $20-40 to save you some 
sleepless nights, and get the most common things straight. Then you may
sit down to check if there is anything particular which saves you money.

As an scientist, you have to break the complex thing down to the simplest.

Sorry for the fact I can not answer all the inquiries on the tax matter.

Mi Mi Sr.

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Anybody knows that $5000 deduction from Sino-US tax treaty (Article 20c) can
apply to income other than wages, such as bank interest, income from bonds
or compensation from a contract?  The treaty states that income FROM PERSONAL
SERVICE can have $5000 deduction.  I think compensation from a contract should
be counted as income from personal service.  Thank you in advance.

Cheng


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Dear Netters,

I have some problems and need your help.  I am a CSPAer, and I have a 5-year-
old son in China now.  I plan to apply a GC for him.  I went to a local INS
office and was told that I just need to fill in I-824 form and send it to INS
East Service Center where I filed my CSPA case.

It seems to me too simple to believe since I-824 is only one sheet form and 
just require name, date of birth, and country of birth of my son.  I'd like
to
bring follow questions if and experenced people and answer:

1) What the form(s) I should file for my son?
2) What other documents ( such as birth certificate of my son, financial suppor[[rt
   statement, an so on) I should submit with the form(s)?
3) Where I should file, local INS or Service Center?
4) Is that correct that only U.S. Consulate at Guang-Zhou can be notified for 
   lads in China, or I can choose Consulate at Shanghai?

If you can provide me any answers, sugestion, and information, I'll greatly
appreciate.

Thank you in advance.

Z. XI

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>From lads-l@spike.rice.edu Wed Mar 30 12:42:02 1994
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Status: R


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This is for your information:
Baltimore INS is continuously issuing approvals for LADs. There seems no 
visa quota problem. Moreover, LADs may be approved without notice. Just 
check your status with Baltimore INS, they will tell you if have been 
approved. If you have, they will stamp your passport with the 'temporary 
permanent residence'. My wife got her passport stamped this way, and she 
was told that her application actually had been approved early in March. 
The official also told her to expect her rigistration card in 6 to 8 
weeks. 
Good luck to all of the netters!


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F.Y.I.:
My wife and a friend's wife (Lads) have their passport stamped this morning. They
recevied the approval notice after March 16 from Memphis INS.
Good luck to all of the netters!

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	Hi, netter,

	There are some confusing around visa number for lads after March 17.
 Several netter had posted that their lads still got approval after March 17.
 My analysises are
	(1) there are no visa number for E3 for lads right now. Washington
 cabel clearly instruct local INS to cut back to 6/30/93.
	(2) some lads still receive approval notice and had passport stamped,
 simply because they were approved before March 17 and got visa number before
 March 17, even though they got the notic after.
	(3) some lads might get approval notice but have to wait for visa number till visa number reopen for 7/1/93.
	The visa problem still there, especially for lads whose priority date
 after 7/1/93.
	Please keep informed.

	H. Liu

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Hi, Netters.  I posted "questions about lad in China" this morning and received
several responces so far.  I greatly apprecite all the information and suggestion[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[Csugges-
ion you provied.  All the responces comformed that filing I-824 is the first
step for lads in China.  

But I was told by my friend this afternoon that I should file I-130 for lad in
China.  He went to Baltimore INS with his lads this mornoing for his lads' 
final processing.  He asked a officer about that question.  The answer was
I-130 form (Petition for alien relative).

Do I really need file I-130 form now?  Does anyone can explain this?  I need
whole picture (procrdure) about applying GC for lad in China.  Your 
valuable comments are greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your help.

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I just got a question about the lads in the Federal tax return:

I want to file 1040A.  I wonder if my daughter is eligible as my dependent
for tax purpose.  My daughter is a lad who has not been granted the GC.
In the 1040A instruction,  there are 5 tests for the dependents.  One of
them is (3) the person must be the citizen or resident of USA, Canada....
Obviously my daughter is not PR yet, does she qualify to be a dependent?
anyone has any idea about this?

A further question: if my daughter is qualified, how about my mother
who held a b-2 visa and lived with us last year?

Thanks!

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My wife is a lad and her PR is pending (no stamp yet). Does anyone
know if she could get an advanced parole back to US if she goes to
an European country for a short vacation? Any information will be
greatly appreciated.

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An IRS specialist on international student affire came to our school today for a workshop.  I got some information on my tax return which I want to share with
you.  I am married and my husband is a lad case pending. He is workingfor a 
company.  In our case, we were suggested to file separately.  I could file dual
status since I got my PR under CSPA in last sept.  While by using 1040NR I
could claim $5000 exemption under treaty at the same time I could take the 
standard $2350 deduction. My husband could file 1040NR and claim the same 
amount of deduction. This is good if you don't have any dependents.  If your
case is more complicated, you have to do the calculation one by one to get 
the maximum return.  
FYI
Good luck!

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Subject:      form I-181
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Today, my wife went to the INS office in San Jose. After presenting the form
I-181 which only tells her that the processing of the application has been comp
leted, she had her passport stamped. So, if anyone has received form I-181 from
INS, this is for your information. Good Luck!  Liu

