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Mi Mi gave a phone number of Chinese Embassy in New York when she talked
about extending passport.  Does anyone still have that number?  Your help
is appreciated.


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Hi, Dear netters:

I have just received my wife's LAD interview notice from INS. Enclosed
there is a blank form  I-134 and the notice asks us to bring completed
I-134 at interview. Did  anybody have the similar case?
What does this mean exactly? Is it mean we have to find somebody with a
good financial ability to sign a I-134 for us or I could sign the I-134
for my wife? I'm a graduate student with research asistantship as most of
others. My wife has no job and is not a student right now. Anybody have any
information or suggetion please reply.
Thank you very much in advance.



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Dear friends:
  My friend is qualified for filing a form 1040, but her husband is still in
China. Can she file a "married filing joint reture" as her filing status?
  Since her husband dosen't have income in US, so she can only report her income
in the joint return form. Will that be fine?

  Any response will be great appreciated.

  Thank you very much!

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This is forwarded message.  Please refer to the original sender of this
message for more info.

Mi Mi 

======================================================================
                               Professionals for Spouse Reunification
                               478 W. Hamilton Ave., Suite 187
                               Campbell, CA 95008
                               <p2-talk@dopey.msd.anl.gov>

This post is addressed to those who in any way may be interested
in a problem that U.S. Permanent Residents face when they file
a petition for permanent residency for their spouses and children.

Under the current immigration law when a permanent resident wants
his/her spouse and children to join him/her to live in the United States
he/she has to file a petition for his family for permanent residency
and this petition is classified as Family Preference Category 2A.
The waiting period for this preference category is currently 2.5 years
and is getting longer as Immigration & Naturalization Service handles
2 weeks worth of cases in about 1 month.  This is due to the limit on
a number of visas that can be given in this preference category.
If a green card holder presently gets married abroad he/she will have to
wait for about 3.5 to 4 years before he/she can reunite with his/her
family (taking other factors into consideration).

If a spouse/children try to apply for any kind of temporary visa, they
are routinely denied those visas, as a non-immigrant intent is a required
to obtain a temporary visa.  The basis for the denial in such cases is
that the petition for permanent residency is considered a proof of
an intent to immigrate to the U.S.

These years of separation are very hard on often new families
and bring a lot of stress on still forming relationships.

Professionals for Spouse Reunification (PSR) is a non-profit organization
that lobbies the Congress to ease this unnecessary hardship.
Currently, there are two similar legislative initiatives - bill S.618
in the U.S. Senate and bill HR 3182 in the House of Representatives.
These bills would allow a family of a permanent resident to come to
the U.S. on a visitor (B-2) or student (F-1) visa.  They would explicitly
state that a petition for permanent residency cannot be considered as
a proof of an intent to immigrate in the visitor/student visa processing.
Neither bill would allow coming families to work, and would provide some
penalties for dropping out of the visa status.  However, it would remove
the largest source or hardship - separation.

A copy of either bill is available upon request at
<p2-talk-request@dopey.msd.anl.gov>.

     We, Professional for Spouse Reunification need your help,
                     no matter how small!
            Without your support nothing will change!

Here is what you can do:
(1) Spread the word about the problem and make others aware.
(2) Write letters to your ethnic newspapers/magazines, TV stations, and other
    organizations. We need ethnic media support.  Sample letter is provided
    in this posting. It is important that we reach as many people as possible.
(3) Write letters to senators and representatives in your district. Again,
    sample letters and instructions are provided later in this posting.
(4) Organize signature campaigns.  Collect signatures at your ethnic/religious
    centers.
(5) If you cannot send letters to ethnic newspapers/magazines/organizations
    yourself, provides us with addresses.
(6) Help us get cosponsors for the bills in Congress.
(7) Contribute more ideas to PSR.
(8) Find others who could help.

Here is how to get in touch with PSR:
(1) Join the family reunion discussion list  <p2-talk@dopey.msd.anl.gov>.
    To subscribe to the list send e-mail with your name and e-mail address
    to <p2-talk-request@dopey.msd.anl.gov>.
(2) Send e-mail to
      <vish@iceflo.enet.dec.com>
      <krzys@cims.nyu.edu> Krzysztof Wlodarski (can correspond in Polish)
(3) Write us at the following address:
    Professionals for Spouse Reunification
    478 W. Hamilton Ave., Suite 187
    Campbell, CA 95008

Following are the letters to editors, senators, representatives
along with hints/instructions on how to send them.

Letters to members of Committee on the Judiciary (dealing with immigration)
in senate or House of Representatives are also available (send e-mail to
<p2-talk-request@dopey.msd.anl.gov>).  People in these committees can help in
introducing the bills for discussion/voting in Congress, so they are important.

(1) Letter to the ethnic newspaper, magazine, or other organization.
Hints/instructions:
(a) before sending a letter translate and change it,
    as you consider appropriate.
(b) politely request that the newspaper/magazine print your letter.
(c) Provide copies of letters to senators/representatives, make
    others' action easier.

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                                                Your Name
                                                Your street address
                                                Town, state, zip code

                                                Date

         Dear Editor,

         I would like to bring to your attention a serious problem being
         faced by permanent residents that marry abroad.  These permanent
         have to wait for several years before the non-resident spouse is
         issued an immigrant visa under the family preference category F2A.
         According to the State Department Visa Bulletin the applications
         that are processed right now have been filed over 2.5 years ago.
         There is about 875,000 applicants waiting in this visa category
         and there is an annual limit of 135,000 visas this year, and
         90,000 beginning next year as provided by the Immigration and
         Nationality Act of 1990.  Thus, one may expect the waiting time to
         increase significantly.
         In this situation the spouses that are waiting for the immigrant
         visas are routinely denied visitor or student visas on the basis
         that the non-immigrant visas cannot be granted to someone that has
         an immigrant intent.  The forced separation is especially hard on
         newly married couples and entails meaningless suffering.
         There is a legislation S.618 in the U.S. Senate and analogous bill
         HR 3182 in the Congress that would alleviate this situation.  The
         legislation would allow admission to the U.S. to visit the
         resident spouse or to come to study in the United States. If
         somebody overstayed or fell out of status, for example, by working
         illegally then the processing of the immigrant application would
         be delayed.
         It is time to call or write Senators and Congressmen now.  Without
         the broad support the proposed bill will never become the law and
         the senseless separation will continue without an option for longer
         visits.

                                                Sincerely,

                                                Your Name

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(2) Letter to senator.
Hints/instructions:
(a) Find the names of 2 senators in your state from a telephone book
    on blue (federal government) pages under "Senator". If it is not there,
    try to find some page titled "Elected Government Officials" or similar
    in the near or on blue pages.  Check the phone book table of content.
    If everything fails call the local telephone directory.
(b) Use this name in the letter and address:
    The Honorable ______________ <- Senator's name
    United States Senate
    Washington, DC 20510
(c) Modify the letter as you feel appropriate.
(d) request a copy of the letter in LaTeX/PostScript format if you can print it.
(e) include your address in the letter and request a reply.

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                                                Your Name
                                                Your Street Address
                                                Town, State, Zip Code

                                                Today's Date

         Honorable (Senator's name)
         United States Senate
         Washington, DC. 20510


         Dear Senator:

         I would like to bring to your attention a serious problem being
         faced by all Permanent Residents of the U.S. who choose to marry
         abroad. According to the Visa Bulletin published by the State
         Department these Permanent Residents currently have to wait for
         over 2.5 years before the non-resident spouse is issued an
         immigrant visa and is allowed to join the U.S. resident spouse,
         here in the States. What makes this separation even more painful
         is the fact that the non-resident spouse is routinely denied
         visiting privileges.

         Please, be informed that a bill S.618 was introduced by Senator
         Don Reigle which would alleviate the situation.  A companion bill
         HR 3182 was also introduced in the House by Rep. Frank Pallone.
         The bill would allow a non-resident spouse to come to visit his or
         her resident spouse during the waiting period for the immigrant
         visa, penalizing those who dropped out of their non-immigrant
         status by delaying their immigrant visa processing.  The bill has
         several advantages:
         (1) It does NOT increase the number of immigrant visas;
         (2) It does NOT allow non-resident spouses to work or benefit from
         social and government programs;
         (3) It prevents prolonged and difficult family separation;
         (4) It provides means for those who want to visit their families
         legally;
         (5) It will help U.S. economy, as Permanent Residents will spend
         their money in the U.S. and not abroad.

         Please, support this humane legislation that would relieve the
         unnecessary stress and meaningless suffering put on families that
         are often in their formative stage.  This legislation is broadly
         supported in ethnic and business communities.

                                                Sincerely,


                                                Your Name

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(3) Letter to a Member of the House of Representatives (Congressman).

Hints/instructions:
(a) Find the name of a congressman in your district from a telephone book
    on blue (federal government) pages under "Congressman". If it is not there,
    try to find some page titled "Elected Government Officials" or similar
    in the near or on blue pages.  Check the phone book table of content.
    If everything fails call the local telephone directory.
(b) Use this name in the letter and address:
    The Honorable ______________ <- Congressman's name
    United States House of Representatives
    Washington, DC 20515
(c) Modify the letter as you feel appropriate.
(d) request a copy of the letter in LaTeX/PostScript format
    if you can print it.
(e) include your address in the letter and request a reply.

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                                                Your Name
                                                Your Street Address
                                                Town, State, Zip Code

                                                Today's Date

         Honorable (Congressman's name)
         US House of Representatives
         Washington, DC. 20515


         Dear Representative:

         I would like to bring to your attention a serious problem being
         faced by all Permanent Residents of the U.S. who choose to marry
         abroad. According to the Visa Bulletin published by the State
         Department these Permanent Residents currently have to wait for
         over 2.5 years before the non-resident spouse is issued an
         immigrant visa and is allowed to join the U.S. resident spouse,
         here in the States. What makes this separation even more painful
         is the fact that the non-resident spouse is routinely denied
         visiting privileges.

         Please, be informed that a bill HR 3182 was introduced by Rep.
         Frank Pallone which would alleviate the situation.  Analogous bill
         S.618  was also introduced in the House by Senator Don Reigle.
         The bill would allow a non-resident spouse to come to visit his or
         her resident spouse during the waiting period for the immigrant
         visa, penalizing those who dropped out of their non-immigrant
         status by delaying their immigrant visa processing.  The bill has
         several advantages:
         (1) It does NOT increase the number of immigrant visas;
         (2) It does NOT allow non-resident spouses to work or benefit from
         social and government programs;
         (3) It prevents prolonged and difficult family separation;
         (4) It provides means for those who want to visit their families
         legally;
         (5) It will help U.S. economy, as Permanent Residents will spend
         their money in the U.S. and not abroad.

         Please, support this humane legislation that would relieve the
         unnecessary stress and meaningless suffering put on families that
         are often in their formative stage.  This legislation is broadly
         supported in ethnic and business communities.

                                                Sincerely,


                                                Your Name

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chen@math.princeton.edu wrote:

   Mi Mi gave a phone number of Chinese Embassy in New York when she talked
                                        ^^^^^^^ Consulate        ^^^ He   
   about extending passport.  Does anyone still have that number?  Your help
   is appreciated.

Here you are:

(212)-502-0241


Mi Mi Sr.

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Dear friend:

I am a lads from New York. I filed the application on 08/12/93. I didn't get
any response yet. Where and how can I check my status? Thank your.

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Dear friend:
  Thank you so much for everyperson kindly answer. 
  I have another question about retirement. In 1040 form, for adjustment of 
income on line 24 a and b, how to file in if the person does not cover by any 
retirement program. 
  Appreciated in advance for any response.
  Thanks

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After having got GC, more and more people may be contemplating to buy
houses. My experience may raise a question of how to deal with the loan
issue.
After shopping around, I found a good mortgage interest rate from a loan
company and locked it in. When I was going through the application
process with a loan officer, my application was denied because I am not
an US citizen. The reason was that they couldn't sue me if I make no pay
ment in the future even I am a PR. After exchanging, they made a little
concession to offer a loan so long as I am willing to put 1/3 of home
value as down.
Their explanation doesn't make sense to me. I am wondering if they have
a right to do so or they were against the act of equal housing opportu-
naties.If the latter is the case, any legal action we can take? HUD does
not explain unless the complain is filed resulting in an investigation.
Any comments and suggestions are welcome.
ZQ


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Can anybody explain this?

We all were told that there are no visa numbers available. However, we are
receiving the information of further approvals as follows. What's going on?


>>Today, my wife went to the INS office in San Jose. After presenting the
>>form I-181 which only tells her that the processing of the application has
>>been completed, she had her passport stamped. So, if anyone has received
>>form I-181 from INS, this is for your information. Good Luck!  Liu

March 30   
   

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JIANHUA.YANG@emcb.cc.utah.edu wrote:

/ Can anybody explain this?
/
/ We all were told that there are no visa numbers available. However, we are
/ receiving the information of further approvals as follows. What's going on?
/
/
/ >>Today, my wife went to the INS office in San Jose. After presenting the
/ >>form I-181 which only tells her that the processing of the application has
/ >>been completed, she had her passport stamped. So, if anyone has received
/ >>form I-181 from INS, this is for your information. Good Luck!  Liu
/
/ March 30   

Well, lads-l serves as an information exchange network, it is all operated
by volunteers to the best of their knowledge, willingness to share, and good
will. Therefore, all the services are provided as "it is", without any 
warranty. This is just a reminder.

Best Wishes,

Mi Mi Sr.



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Dear friends:

Thanks for everyone who kindly responds to my question.

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	Sorry to waste the band width.

	I have a freind who haven't received his green card since last fall
when he finished his interview with INS. He asked me for the phone number of
GC producer. I saw it was posted on the net several times before, however, I
didn't write it down.

	Could any of you still having this info kindly pass it to me ?

	Thanks in advance.

Song Wang

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Hi, the number I posted before is the number of the Immigration Card Facility.
Those who have not received GC can call the number to check the status
of your card production. Please have your A# ready before you call.
Once again, the # is: (214)655-1500



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Hi, everyone on this net:

Mi Mi Jr. has just received her I-485 Approval notice. She is accepted
as a CSPA-principal. No questions were asked about her non-casual, non-brief
absence from the USA.

Just curious to ask those who had minor as principals. Do minors have to
show up for the final process at INS office? Minors do not need signatures
and finger prints, right?

Mi Mi Sr.

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My wife as a LAD just received her approval notice from Detroit INS office
this afternoon. It says that she was adjusted to PR as of Mar. 15, 1994.

Good luck to every LAD.

Shiyaun Gou

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I just got the suggestion to go to INS and also somebody told me they
have the situation as mine. So I am still waiting.

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Dear Sir,

     Would you like to allow my friend to take part in lads' network?

     His e-mail address is  zxcst1@vms.pitt.edu

Thank you!

                              Sincerely,

                              Shao Cen

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Hi, I wpuld  like to sign off, Please, Jiandi

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I can't believe this kind of stuff
still comes out.

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Hi, I wpuld  like to sign off, Please, Jiandi


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This message is automatically sent out every week, in an attempt to reduce
the signoff requests posted on LADnet. Please read it and understand the
basic functions of this listserv. Please do not post signoff messages
to a public discussion list. Thank you.

Jun Wu -- listowner, LADS-L

=========================================================================
Dear friend,

	Welcome to the Late-Arrival-DependentS-List (LADS-L).

	LADS-L is a list dedicated to solve problems related to LADs of
Chinese-Students-Protection-Act (CSPA) principals. The list is maintained
by a group of voluntary Chinese Students, just like you. Netters who want
to express concerns or ask questions or provide answers to questions
should send mail to lads-l@spike.rice.edu.

	To sign off LADS-L, please send an email to "listserv@spike.rice.edu",
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	All backup issues for LADS-L can be retrieved via anonymous ftp from
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	This is an automatically generated message, please do not reply.


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Mi Mi Sr.,
   I asked two CSPA principals who have CSPA children (8-11 years
old).  They told me that they took their children to local INS to
process I-89.  Both said their children signed their names on I-89
even their writings were not beautiful.  One said his son also made
a one-finger print on I-89 but the other forget if finger print was
required or not.  The local INS is Arlington, Virginia.  They were
approved by INS Eastern Center.
   My daughter is 13 and she is LAD.  She processed I-89 (both one-
finger print and signature) when I submitted my approval notice to
Arlington INS to initiate her process.

  This is just for your reference.

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HI, Mi MI, Sr.:
I have a question about New York State tax form. My husband is H-1 now, so 
can he be exempted tax due to the Article 19 from treaty between us-china.

In the federal tax return, in line 22 other income I worte use-china tax-treaty
article 19, and on line write number of wagelike this(10751.00), then go to
the line total effectively connected income becomes zero. The form is 1040NR.

So in this case, in IT-203 New York state form, for nonresident,
in 16 line same as line 22 in federal. Then come to 19, got zero
federal adjusted gross income. 
I am sure if this correct. Can you take a minute to look this for me from
your previous experence. 
Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you in advance.
Hongkun Tian

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I have losted connection with LAD-NET for long time due to employment change.
I filed I-824 for my son in China to apply PR which was approved in Jan,1993.
My priority date is July 2,1993. I have got my GC. How long will it take for
my son in China to get his GC. I appreciate your response to my mail. My son
will be 21 yr. old in May/1995 that is why I worry about it. Thanks


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Hi!

I am a CSPA principal and have a 10 years old LAD-son with PR pending. A month 
ago, I applied for him for a social security card. The officer accepted the 
application form and told us that the card would come in two weeks. However, we
have got it in one month. Today, I went to the social security office. A lady 
told me that my son's F-2 status has expired according to the computer so that
they can not issue my son a SS#. Although I told her that my son's status is pending which is legal, she still refuse to issue him a SS#. I would be very 
grateful if you help answer the following questions:

1. What should I do to get SS# for my son?

2. If my son doesn't have a SS#, can I still claim him as a dependent and 
furth claim EIC? He has been here for three years.

3. Since the deadline for TAX return has drawn near, can I postpone the filing?
If yes, how do I do it?

Any advices and suggestions will be highly appreciated.

Zhen Zhang
Rutgers University

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	I am not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet. Do we need to
file 8833 in order to claim treaty benefit? The form 8843 is for
substantial presence test, not for claiming treaty benefit.
	Anyone can enlighten me on those 88xx forms? :-)

Jun
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Hi,

Does anyone has FORM 8833? We could not find it at several cities. If anyone
has the form 8833, would you please fax to me as soon as possible? My fax
number is (914)-644-2404. Your help will be greatly appreciated. If I can
get it, I will distribute it to friends in the several cities. 

>From instruction of 1040NR (page 17), you need to file Form 8833 if you
file 1040NR with treaty benefit.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Yuemin

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Is 8833 required by IRS this year? After some exchange of correspondences
with IRS examiner staff, It came out clearer to me all I have to do to claim
the treaty benefits is to write a letter, stating the purpose of my stay,
the nature of the income I have got, and the appropriate verses of the Treaty.
I provided the copy of the original treaty, and put them all on top of 
my 1040NR, and wrote zeros on the first page of 1040NR concerning the income
I have got (It happens that all the of my income are termed as "non-taxable"
by the treaty). Then put on the signature and so on.

It worked for the past several years after I was picked up by IRS for trying
to follow the general procedures of 1040NR yet wanting to claim treaty 
benefits.

It is only my personal experience, FYI ONLY.



Mi Mi Sr.



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>From:	IN%"snow@lucerne.rice.edu"  "Jun Wu" 12-APR-1994 13:33:38.15
To:	IN%"DLI@ecs.umass.edu"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: 8833?

===== DLI@ecs.umass.edu previously wrote: =====
> 
> 
> No, you don't have to file the form 8833 if your income comes under a student
> status. You can check the Publication 901 (the number may be wrong but I don't
> have this publication handy), the tax guide for aliens. There are four 
> exceptions to the requirement for this form. BTW, in most cases, you need to
> file the form 8843.
> 
> DLI
> 

Thanks. :-) I don't want to mess with 8833 if all possible. I will
check the pub, I think it is 519?

Jun

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You DO need to file 8833 if you claim treaty benefit. But there are some
exceptions to the rule. Please check Pub. 519 for the details.

I believe, however, you do NOT have to use Form 8833 to report the 
requested information. You can use your own format, as long as you give the 
information that is required by IRS. I think Pub. 519 has the details on
what you have to disclose when you claim treaty.

For international students, you must, with no exceptions, file Form 8843. 
But, again, you can use your own format if you do not have the form.


YSZ

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So, it seems to me both way works, either file 88XX something or write
a statement about the information required by IRS. As long as IRS is
satisfied with your claim, you should be okay.

A statement worked perfectly for me in the past years. Those who have
trouble getting all the 88xx forms, can consider this statement option.

Mi Mi 

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Since many netters have asked the statement I have used for the tax
purpose, and I think this maybeof the general interest, so  I just post
the statement to the net, with all the personal information deleted (sorry
for that, but it is understandable, right?). Hope this will help a little
bit. 

Mi Mi Sr.

My statement to the IRS follows.

						March 30, 1993

Internal Revenue Service Center
Philadelphia, PA 19255-0208

Dear Sirs and Madam:

I am writing to you in the purpose to file my income tax for 1992. I came to the United States to
pursue my Ph.D studies in the xxx since September 3, 19xx. My wife Ms. xxx came to join me in
19xx. My wife's SSN is 072-76-xxxx. My passport was issued on August 14, 19xx in xxxxxx,
People's Republic of China. The number is 10xxx. My F-1 visa was also issued on August 29,
19xx,  in xxx, and the number is 01xxxx.

I remained in the States continuously from 19xxx to 19xx. My incomes for the 1992 are listed as
follows:

1.	State Funded University Fellowship for Spring 1992, 		$xxxx
2.	University Tuition Scholarship for Spring 1992,     		$   xx
	See Attached Financial Aid Award Letter, 01/28/92; 	Subtotal$xxxxx
3.		Interest from xxxxx Bank 				$     xxxx
4.	Interest from xxxxxxx						$   xxx
		See Attached 1099 Forms
5.		Teaching Fellowship for Summer 1992,			$ xxxx
		See Attached W-2 Form from xxxxx
6.		Research Foundation for 1992				$xxxx		
7.		Graduate Fellowship B for Fall 1992,			$xxx
		See Attached W-2 Form from xxxxxx,Subtotal		$xxxx
8.		University Fellowship for Fall 1992,    			$  xxx
9.		University Tuition Scholarship for Fall 1992,     		$  xxx
	See Attached Financial Aid Award Letter, 07/02/92; 	Subtotal	$xxxx	
									Total  $ xxxxxx.

My total combined income was $ xxxx for the year of 1992.  Since I am a citizen of  the
People's Republic of China, and is a student present in the United States solely to obtain
education, I am exempted from U.S. income tax since my incomes were grants and rewards
from government, scientific, educational or other tax-exempt organizations.

						Yours,


						xxxxxxx (signed)
Following is the wording from the Publication 901(Rev. Nov. 1992), page 13:

A student, business apprentice or trainee who is a resident of the People's Republic of China on
the date of arrival in the United States and who is present in the United States solely for the
purpose of his education, training or obtaining special technical experience is exempt U.S.
income tax on the following amounts:
	(a) Payments received from abroad for the purpose of his maintenance, education,
study, research or training;
	(b) grants or rewards from a government, scientific, educational or other tax exempt
organization; and
	(c) Income from personal services performed in that Contracting State in an amount not
excess of 5,000 United States dollars or its equivalent in Chinese Yuan for each taxable year.
	The benefits under this Article shall extend only for such period of time as is reasonably
necessary to complete the education or training.


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Hi, everybody:

I have one question about filing dual-status return(perhaps it's already
discussed some point. But I missed it...) In the case for CSPAers, what is the
point to split between the non-resident and resident? There are two
choices: 
	(1). The filing date of form I-485,i.e. application date
		for green card. I guess it is June 30, 1993 for
		most people.
	(2). The date ones application is approved. For most people,		
		it's sometime in Sepetember. 
What is your choice? What is more likely the right choice from IRS's view?
Is there any official saying about it?

Best regards,
Q.Zhu

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As for the date defining non-resident and resident, one point I would 
like to offer: theoritical speaking, once you filed I-485, then your 
"only purpose of staying in US" is not for your study, then clearly
you can not cite Treaty anymore. But IRS may overlook this (?). 

Once your GC is approved, then definitely you are not "non-resident"
anymore. There are two definitions of residency, one for INS, the 
other for IRS. IRS' residency status covers both GC alien and non-GC
alien. CSPAers can be treated as non-resident as long as they meet
the treaty terms, which overrule IRS's general guideline in determining
your taxpayers residency status. Note again: taxpayer's residency status
IS NOT GC residency status.

Mi Mi Sr.


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I have put 8833 and 8223 in ftp.hawaii.edu:/outgoing.  The file names
are 8833.ps and 8823.ps.  

I didn't find 8843.

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Hi, 

I heard that the priority date went back to 7/1, and all visas have
been used up for this year(?).  Any comments?

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Hi, there:

any recommendation for a good (?!) immigration lawyer in New York city
who is experienced with F1->H visa conversion?

nominations appreciated. (Efficiency and fees charged are important factors.)
Thank you for your attension.

Y.L.

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My Fujian friend told me many of his former employees who illegally entered
States have got their CSPA GCs, with false documentation, of course. To these
days, there are still many ads on WJ offering 6.4 GC opportunities, ways to
get Advanced Porales, etc. Although those newly added CSPAers and their LAD
amry will not make much difference for us, they do take tolls on the people
who are going to use EB3 category.

Some of them do fail to pass INS's close examination, but it is impossible
to guess how many do pass, given the endless Ad campaign on the WJ aiming
at undocumented Chinese population.

Mi Mi Sr.


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Apr 14 10:56:04 1994
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Hi, there is a very good service on Tax, Visa etc, at ifcss.org.

Mi Mi Sr.

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Dear Neters:  

I have a tax-question and wish someone can help.  

I am a CSPA PR and have one dependent (she has no income).  
If I file 1040 I can claim $6000 (? forgot the exact number) 
standard deduction.  
If I file dual status, I can claim $5000 deduction of Sini-US treaty, but 
I cannot claim also the $6000 standard deduction.  

Is my understanding correct?  

Thank you!  


HAO 



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Somebody talked about using the date on the back of GC as the cutoff
date of resident and nonresident periods over this date.  Anybody has
idea which date they refered to?  There is a 6-digit number (starting
with EAC) on mycard but it turns out to be receipt date of my
application.  There is another 4-digit number as 9310<<<<.  Can anyone
comment on that?

yuchi

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>From mxl@his.ssec.wisc.edu Thu Apr 14 15:16:04 1994
>From: mxl@his.ssec.wisc.edu
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Hi !
        I like to know the issue of 21-year children in the CSPA final
regulations. Are dependents over 21-year judged at the time of filing 
or approval? My son is a LAD. He was under 21 when application was sent.
He is over 21 now, his case is still pending. I went Milwaukee INS recently.
Their answer is what I don't expect. I will appreciate it if you can give
me confirmed infomation. Thank you very much.
                               
                           Xia Lin Ma


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Please don't send reply to me. Send it to original author. He sent mail
to me instead of lads-l so I forwarded it. Further replies will be kindly
ignored. Thank you for your help.

Jun Wu --- I am not Mr./Ms. Ma :-)

===== Tianyi Zhai previously wrote: =====
>From zhai@uabphy.phy.uab.edu Thu Apr 14 21:21:14 1994
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Mr./Ms. Ma:
	I happen to know several LAD over 21-year old. The procedure that
INS Atlanta took is that: 1) they are formally rejected to be adjusted status
due to the reason of 21-year; 2) they all receive a notice from the INS which
asked them to leave US in 30 days. 3) they all be granted DED status.
	That's what I know. The 21-year is judged at the time of visa being
avalable.


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Hi, everybody:
I just talked with my next door neighbor and I was amazied by what I was told
and what I saw. Put it simple: he has a prioprity date of AUGUST 1, 1993 and
his LAD wife has just received her approval notice.
(BTW, it was from the INS in Boston.)
Please tell me if that was just a GOOD mistake made by the INS in Boston or
that there are indeed some lads with priority date later than 7/2/93 who
have received the approval. 
My wife is a LAD and has a priority date of 7/6/93, but she has not heard
anything from the INS in Boston yet. Someone please sheds some light on
this issue. In particular, if you know someone with a later priority date
has received the approval for his (her) lad application from Boston, 
please let us know.
Thank you very much.
DL.

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Hi, there is a LCnet News-Release, with some infor on lads issue.

I forward it just in case your guys might be interested.


Mi Mi Sr.

--------------forwarded message below ------------------------


Subject: LCnet_News940415

                   
                  * * * * * LCnet * News * Release * * * * *

                                 # 940415 #



			     TABLE OF CONTENTS
	============================================================
        1. IFCSS Sent the Petition Letter to President Clinton
        2. CHINA Born Employment Third Preference Visa Availability
        3. Immigration Numbers for May, 1994
	============================================================


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1. IFCSS Sent the Petition Letter to President Clinton
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   According to the "IFCSS HQ WEEKLY JOURNAL", on April 5th, IFCSS HQ 
finally sent out the petition letter to President Clinton regarding the 
two year visa extension with a total of 68 signatures of local CSS 
organizations. The original text of this letter can be obtained through 
anonymous ftp at 'ifcss.org' under the directory of '/ifcss/NR/5th', 
the file name is '940311.LOG'. Mr. Liu, Chengyan, the Chair of IFCSS 
New Comers Working Committee, wrote a letter to the IFCSS HQ on April 
12th requesting the information of any follow-up actions the HQ will take 
and the information concerning with the reaction from the U.S government. 
Most new comers are hoping that the IFCSS should take the issue seriously 
instead of politically, and keep its effort on this matter continuously.

   We'll update you any new development and if you have any suggestions,
please also let us know. Remember that a new IFCSS leadership will be 
elected in the summer and please encourage your local CSS organization
to participate if you really want the IFCSS to represent us in this 
country.


LCnet editor

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2. CHINA Born Employment Third Preference Visa Availability
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The visa cut-off date for the CHINA-mainland born Employment Third
Preference category, which had been July 2, 1993, has retrogressed one 
day to July 1, 1993.  Only applicants with priority dates earlier than 
that cut-off are currently eligible for visa number allocation.

This retrogression results from the very heavy demand for numbers by
CHINA-mainland born applicants (primarily at INS offices) entitled to
derivative status as "following-to-join" spouses/children of principals 
who had adjusted status under the Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA).  
CSPA principals are exempt from the per-country visa limit set by INA 202 
and, therefore, are not subject to the CHINA-mainland born cut-off date.
Following-to-join derivative applicants do not benefit from such
per-country limit exemption, however.  Those who come within the
CHINA-mainland born chargeability must be allocated numbers under that
Employment Third Preference limit.  The most common priority date for 
CSPA applicants is July 1, 1993.  During the first two and a half weeks 
of March, about 3,100 CHINA-mainland born Employment Third Preference 
numbers were allocated to CSPA derivatives with July 1, 1993 priority 
dates, and the numbers available for allocation to such cases were 
temporarily exhausted. The result has been the retrogression of the 
cut-off date. It is expected that this cut-off date may move forward 
again toward the end of Fiscal Year 1994.  The heavy concentration of 
applicants with early July 1993 priority dates means that, for the 
foreseeable future, when advances do occur they will be in small 
increments.

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3. Immigration Numbers for May, 1994
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EMPLOYMENT-BASED PREFERENCES

First:	Priority Workers:  28.6% of the worldwide employment-based
preference level, plus any numbers not required for fourth and fifth
preferences.

Second:  Members of the Professions Holding Advanced Degrees or Persons of
Exceptional Ability:  28.6% of the worldwide employment-based preference
level, plus any numbers not required by first preference.

Third:  Skilled Workers, Professionals, and Other Workers:  28.6% of the
worldwide level, plus any numbers not required by first and second
preferences, not more than 10,000 of which to "Other Workers".

Fourth:  Certain Special Immigrants:  7.1%, not more than 5,000 of which to
the Religious Workers described in INA Section 101(a)(27)(C)(ii)(II) and
(III).

Fifth:  Employment Creation:  7.1% of the worldwide level, not less than
3,000 of which reserved for investors in a targetted rural or
high-unemployment area, and 300 set aside for investors in regional centers
by Sec. 610 of P.L. 102-395.

INA Section 203(e) provides that family-sponsored and employment-based
preference visas be issued to eligible immigrants in the order in which a
petition in behalf of each has been filed.  Section 203(d) provides that
spouses and children of preference immigrants are entitled to the same
status, and the same order of consideration, if accompanying or following
to join the principal.  The visa prorating provisions of Section 202(e)
apply to allocations for a foreign state or dependent area when visa demand
exceeds the per-country limit.  These provisions apply at present to the
following oversubscribed chargeability areas:  CHINA-mainland born,
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, INDIA, MEXICO, and PHILIPPINES.

SPOUSES AND CHILDREN OF LEGALIZATION BENEFICIARIES:  Section 112 of the
Immigration Act of 1990 (P.L. 101-649) provides 55,000 immigrant visas
during each of fiscal years 1992, 1993 and 1994 to spouses and children of
persons legalized under the three programs established by the Immigration
Reform and Control Act of 1986 (P.L. 99-603).  The total available for each
fiscal year must be reduced, however, by the extent to which immediate
relative immigration in the previous year exceeds 239,000.  The FY 1994
limit has been set under the law at 32,776.  (This category is indicated
below by the symbol "LB".)

On the chart below, the listing of a date for any class indicates that
the class is oversubscribed (see paragraph 1); "C" means current, i.e.,
numbers are available for all qualified applicants; and "U" means
unavailable, i.e., no numbers are available.  (NOTE:  Numbers are available
oEMPLOYMENT-BASED PREFERENCES


	     All Charge-
	     ability Areas   CHINA-
	     Except Those    mainland  DOMINICAN
	     Listed          born      REPUBLIC  INDIA   MEXICO  PHILIPPINES
Employment-
 Based

1st             C              C          C        C       C         C

2nd             C              C          C        C       C         C

3rd             C           01JUL93       C        C       C      22AUG92

  Other      15APR88       15APR88     15APR88  15APR88 15APR88   15APR88
    Workers

4th             C              C          C        C       C      22FEB93

Certain         C              C          C        C       C      22FEB93
  Religious
  Workers

5th             C              C          C        C       C         C

Targeted        C              C          C        C       C         C
  Employment Areas/
  Regional Centers

Chinese Student Protection Act:C  (Applications for adjustment of
status under this legislation may be filed regardless of visa number
availability.)

The Department of State has available a recorded message with visa
availability information which can be heard at:  (area code 202) 663-1541.
This recording will be updated in the middle of each month with information
on cut-off dates for the following month.


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I have a lad who's going to be 21 very soon, but the recent discussion about
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even asks these lads to leave the country after the rejection of the 
application, as said by a kind netter.  Is there anything that these lads
can do to prevent deportation?

Thanks.

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Hi, for those who might be interested in more useful information, please
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Dear Readers:

In the last two days, the IFCSS/Consultation Service Committee (CSC) has
received tremendous questions regarding to filling personal income tax-turn.
Since today is the last day for filling tax return, we encourage readers
check our back issues which are archived in IFCSS ftp site for more general
advices. There is an example for dual-status readers in JCS9402 for
interested readers.

So far, we have published a total of 9 issues of Journal of Consultation
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Hi everybody,

Following is the visa bulletin for May from the State Department.
Let's pray for luck.

Larry


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IMMIGRANT NUMBERS FOR MAY 1994


A.  STATUTORY NUMBERS

1.  This bulletin summarizes the availability of immigrant numbers during
May.  Consular officers are required to report to the Department of State
documentarily qualified applicants for numerically limited visas; the
Immigration and Naturalization Service reports applicants for adjustment of
status.  Allocations were made, to the extent possible under the numerical
limitations, for the demand received by April 7th in the chronological
order of the reported priority dates.  If the demand could not be satisfied
within the statutory or regulatory limits, the category or foreign state in
which demand was excessive was deemed oversubscribed.  The cut-off date for
an oversubscribed category is the priority date of the first applicant who
could not be reached within the numerical limits.  Only applicants who have
a priority date earlier than the cut-off date may be allotted a number.
Immediately that it becomes necessary during the monthly allocation process
to retrogress a cut-off date, supplemental requests for numbers will be
honored only if the priority date falls within the new cut-off date.

2.  The fiscal year 1994 limit for family-sponsored preference immigrants
determined in accordance with Section 201 of the Immigration and
Nationality Act (INA) is 226,000.  The fiscal year 1994 limit for
employment-based preference immigrants calculated under INA 201 is 143,213.
Section 202 prescribes that the per-country limit for preference immigrants
is set at 7% of the total annual family-sponsored and employment-based
preference limits, i.e., 27,845 for FY 1994.  The dependent area limit is
set at 2%, or 7,384.  Effective with FY-1994, the 7% per-country limit
applies to Hong Kong.

3.  Section 203 of the INA prescribes preference classes for allotment of
immigrant visas as follows:

FAMILY-SPONSORED PREFERENCES

First:  Unmarried Sons and Daughters of Citizens:  23,400 plus any numbers
not required for fourth preference.

Second:  Spouses and Children, and Unmarried Sons and Daughters of
Permanent Residents:  114,200, plus the number (if any) by which the
worldwide family preference level exceeds 226,000, and any unused first
preference numbers:

A.  Spouses and Children:  77% of the overall second preference limitation,
of which 75% are exempt from the per-country limit;

B.  Unmarried Sons and Daughters (21 years of age or older):  23% of the
overall second preference limitation.

Third:  Married Sons and Daughters of Citizens:  23,400, plus any numbers
not required by first and second preferences.

Fourth:  Brothers and Sisters of Adult Citizens:  65,000, plus any numbers
not required by first three preferences.

EMPLOYMENT-BASED PREFERENCES

First:	Priority Workers:  28.6% of the worldwide employment-based
preference level, plus any numbers not required for fourth and fifth
preferences.

Second:  Members of the Professions Holding Advanced Degrees or Persons of
Exceptional Ability:  28.6% of the worldwide employment-based preference
level, plus any numbers not required by first preference.

Third:  Skilled Workers, Professionals, and Other Workers:  28.6% of the
worldwide level, plus any numbers not required by first and second
preferences, not more than 10,000 of which to "Other Workers".

Fourth:  Certain Special Immigrants:  7.1%, not more than 5,000 of which to
the Religious Workers described in INA Section 101(a)(27)(C)(ii)(II) and
(III).

Fifth:  Employment Creation:  7.1% of the worldwide level, not less than
3,000 of which reserved for investors in a targetted rural or
high-unemployment area, and 300 set aside for investors in regional centers
by Sec. 610 of P.L. 102-395.

4.  INA Section 203(e) provides that family-sponsored and employment-based
preference visas be issued to eligible immigrants in the order in which a
petition in behalf of each has been filed.  Section 203(d) provides that
spouses and children of preference immigrants are entitled to the same
status, and the same order of consideration, if accompanying or following
to join the principal.  The visa prorating provisions of Section 202(e)
apply to allocations for a foreign state or dependent area when visa demand
exceeds the per-country limit.  These provisions apply at present to the
following oversubscribed chargeability areas:  CHINA-mainland born,
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, INDIA, MEXICO, and PHILIPPINES.

5.  SPOUSES AND CHILDREN OF LEGALIZATION BENEFICIARIES:  Section 112 of the
Immigration Act of 1990 (P.L. 101-649) provides 55,000 immigrant visas
during each of fiscal years 1992, 1993 and 1994 to spouses and children of
persons legalized under the three programs established by the Immigration
Reform and Control Act of 1986 (P.L. 99-603).  The total available for each
fiscal year must be reduced, however, by the extent to which immediate
relative immigration in the previous year exceeds 239,000.  The FY 1994
limit has been set under the law at 32,776.  (This category is indicated
below by the symbol "LB".)

6.  On the chart below, the listing of a date for any class indicates that
the class is oversubscribed (see paragraph 1); "C" means current, i.e.,
numbers are available for all qualified applicants; and "U" means
unavailable, i.e., no numbers are available.  (NOTE:  Numbers are available
only for applicants whose priority date is earlier than the cut-off date
listed below.)

PREFERENCES
         All Charge-
         ability Areas  CHINA-
         Except Those   mainland   DOMINICAN
         Listed         born       REPUBLIC   INDIA    MEXICO   PHILIPPINES
Family

1st          C            C           C         C      01MAY93    12SEP85

2A*       01AUG91      01AUG91     01AUG91   01AUG91   24JUL91    01AUG91

LB*       01AUG91      01AUG91     01AUG91   01AUG91   01AUG91    01AUG91

2B        22NOV89      22NOV89     22AUG89   22NOV89   22NOV89    22OCT87

3rd       15MAR92      15MAR92     15MAR92   15MAR92   15JAN86    01JUN83

4th       22NOV84      22NOV84     22NOV84   17MAR83   01NOV82    20JUN77

*NOTE:  For MAY, 2A numbers EXEMPT from per-country limit are available to
applicants from all countries with priority dates earlier than 24JUL91.  2A
numbers SUBJECT to per-country limit are available to applicants chargeable
to all countries EXCEPT MEXICO with priority dates beginning 24JUL91 and
earlier than 01AUG91.  (2A numbers subject to per-country limit are
"unavailable" for applican ts chargeable to MEXICO.)  Applicants qualified
for the "LB" (Spouse/Child of Legalization Beneficiary) category whose
priority date does not permit allocation of a "2A" number under the 2A
cut-off dates above are eligible for an "LB" number as long as their
priority date is earlier than 01AUG91.

	     All Charge-
	     ability Areas   CHINA-
	     Except Those    mainland  DOMINICAN
	     Listed          born      REPUBLIC  INDIA   MEXICO  PHILIPPINES
Employment-
 Based

1st             C              C          C        C       C         C

2nd             C              C          C        C       C         C

3rd             C           01JUL93       C        C       C      22AUG92

  Other      15APR88       15APR88     15APR88  15APR88 15APR88   15APR88
    Workers

4th             C              C          C        C       C      22FEB93

Certain         C              C          C        C       C      22FEB93
  Religious
  Workers

5th             C              C          C        C       C         C

Targeted        C              C          C        C       C         C
  Employment Areas/
  Regional Centers

Chinese Student Protection Act:C  (Applications for adjustment of
status under this legislation may be filed regardless of visa number
availability.)


The Department of State has available a recorded message with visa
availability information which can be heard at:  (area code 202) 663-1541.
This recording will be updated in the middle of each month with information
on cut-off dates for the following month.


B.  TRANSITION IMMIGRANT (AA-1) CATEGORY FOR NATIVES OF CERTAIN "ADVERSELY
    AFFECTED" FOREIGN STATES

Section 132 of the Immigration Act of 1990 (P.L. 101-649) provides 40,000
immigrant visas during each of fiscal years 1992, 1993 and 1994 for natives
of certain countries which had been identified as "adversely affected" for
purposes of the "NP-5" immigrant program established under Section 314 of
the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (P.L. 99-603).  At least 40
percent of AA-1 numbers are designated for natives of the country which
received the greatest number of visas under the NP-5 program (i.e.,
Ireland).  Any numbers unused in fiscal year 1993 will be added to the
fiscal year 1994 limitation.

For May, immigrant numbers in the AA-1 category are available to qualified
applicants chargeable to IRELAND on a "CURRENT" basis.

For May, AA-1 numbers for ALL OTHER qualifying countries have been made
available to applicants with lottery rank numbers lower than:

                                16,000

AA-1 allocations for countries OTHER THAN Ireland may be "current" for June
and/or July.  It is very possible that all such AA-1 numbers could be used
as early as July, however.  If that happens, non-Ireland AA-1 numbers would
be "unavailable" for August and September.  Allocations for Ireland are
expected to remain "current" for the foreseeable future, but applicants
cannot take for granted that they will remain so through the end of
FY-1994.  Future AA-1 visa availability will depend entirely on the amount
of documentarily qualified applicants ready for visa numbers in each
particular month.  The AA-1 program expires on September 30, 1994, but AA-1
visa issuance could end even before that date if all numbers are used
sooner.  Registered applicants who do not obtain visas while numbers are
available will lose the benefit of their AA-1 registration.

All AA-1 cases should be brought to final action as expeditiously as
possible.  Applicants cannot assume that AA-1 numbers will be available
through the end of September.

C.  CHINA-mainland born Employment Third Preference Visa Availability

The visa cut-off date for the CHINA-mainland born Employment Third
Preference category, which had been July 2, 1993, has retrogressed one day
to July 1, 1993.  Only applicants with priority dates earlier than that
cut-off are currently eligible for visa number allocation.

This retrogression results from the very heavy demand for numbers by
CHINA-mainland born applicants (primarily at INS offices) entitled to
derivative status as "following-to-join" spouses/children of principals who
had adjusted status under the Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA).  CSPA
principals are exempt from the per-country visa limit set by INA 202 and,
therefore, are not subject to the CHINA-mainland born cut-off date.
Following-to-join derivative applicants do not benefit from such
per-country limit exemption, however.  Those who come within the
CHINA-mainland born chargeability must be allocated numbers under that
Employment Third Preference limit.  The most common priority date for CSPA
applicants is July 1, 1993.  During the first two and a half weeks of
March, about 3,100 CHINA-mainland born Employment Third Preference numbers
were allocated to CSPA derivatives with July 1, 1993 priority dates, and
the numbers available for allocation to such cases were temporarily
exhausted.  The result has been the retrogression of the cut-off date.  It
is expected that this cut-off date may move forward again toward the end of
Fiscal Year 1994.  The heavy concentration of applicants with early July
1993 priority dates means that, for the foreseeable future, when advances
do occur they will be in small increments.

VISA BULLETIN SUBSCRIPTION AND CHANGE OF ADDRESS INFORMATION:  Additions or
changes to the mailing list should be sent to:  Visa Bulletin, Visa Office,
Department of State, Washington, D.C. 20522-0113.  Only addresses within
the U.S. postal system may be placed on the mailing list.  Please include a
recent mailing label when reporting changes or corrections of address; the
Postal Service does NOT automatically notify the Visa Office of address
changes.

Department of State Publication 9514
CA/VO:  April 7, 1994


IMMIGRANT VISA WAITING LIST IN THE FAMILY-SPONSORED AND EMPLOYMENT-BASED
PREFERENCES AS OF JANUARY l994

Most prospective immigrant visa applicants qualify for status under the law
on the basis of family relationships or employer sponsorship.  Entitlement
to visa processing in these classes is established ordinarily through
approval by the Immigration and Naturalization Service of a petition filed
on the applicant's behalf.  When such petitions are forwarded by INS to the
Department of State, applicants in categories subject to numerical limit
are registered on the visa waiting list by the office which is processing
the case.  Each case is assigned a priority (i.e., registration) date based
on the filing date accorded to the petition.  Visa issuance within each
numerically limited category is possible only if the applicant's place on
the waiting list has been reached, i.e., the case priority date is within
the visa availability dates published each month by the Department of
State.  Family and employment preference applicants compete for visa
numbers within their respective categories on a worldwide basis according
to priority date; a per-country limit on such preference immigrants set by
INA 202 places a maximum on the amount of visas which may be issued in a
single year to applicants from any one country, however.

The Department of State periodically asks consular offices at which
immigrant visa cases are registered (as well as the immigrant visa
processing center at Rosslyn, Virginia) to report the totals of applicants
on the waiting list in the various numerically-limited immigrant
categories.  Ordinarily such reports are submitted annually in January.
(Visa Bulletin No. 23B, Vol. VII, contained a summary of last year's
waiting list count.)

The figures below have been compiled from the reports submitted to the
Department in January 1994 and show the number of immigrant visa applicants
on the waiting list in the various preferences and sub- categories
established under the Immigration Act of 1990.  Provided for comparison are
totals prepared following the January 1993 tabulation.  All figures reflect
persons registered under each respective numerical limitation, i.e., the
totals represent not only principal applicants or petition beneficiaries,
but their spouses and children entitled to derivative status under INA
203(d) as well.

                 January l994 Totals                Increase/Decrease
                   (and % of total    January l993   From 1993 Totals
Category            registrants)         Totals     (and % of change)

Family Prefs.:

FAMILY FIRST          63,499 ( 1.8%)      54,779      +8,720 (+15.9%)
FAMILY SECOND
 Spouses/Children: 1,047,496 (29.0%)*    958,839*    +88,657 (+ 9.2%)
 Adult Sons/
  Daughters:         450,579 (12.5%)     391,816     +58,763 (+15.0%)
 Pref. Total       1,498,075 (41.5%)   1,350,655    +147,420 (+10.9%)
FAMILY THIRD         257,110 ( 7.1%)     218,121     +38,989 (+17.9%)
FAMILY FOURTH      1,643,463 (45.5%)   1,611,715     +31,748 (+ 2.0%)

FAMILY TOTAL       3,462,147 (95.9%)   3,235,270    +226,877 (+ 7.0%)


Employment Prefs.:

EMPL.  FIRST           8,315 ( 0.2%)       6,882      +1,433 (+20.8%)
EMPL.  SECOND         11,159 ( 0.3%)      18,682      -7,523 (-40.3%)
EMPL. THIRD
 Skilled Workers/
  Baccalaureate
  Degree Holders:     30,735 ( 0.9%)      32,813      -2,078 (- 6.3%)
 Other (i.e.,
  Unskilled)
  Workers:            94,348 ( 2.6%)      95,362      -1,014 (- 1.1%)
 Pref. Total         125,083 ( 3.5%)     128,175      -3,092 (- 2.4%)
EMPL. FOURTH           5,241 ( 0.1%)**     4,045**    +1,196 (+29.6%)
EMPL. FIFTH              176 (minimal)***    139***      +37 (+26.6%)

EMPL. TOTAL          149,974 ( 4.1%)     157,923      -7,949 (- 5.0%)

GRAND
TOTAL              3,612,121 (100.%)   3,393,193    +218,928 (+ 6.5%)


*of which, spouses/children of legalization beneficiaries:
 1994:  853,382 (81.5% of Family 2A total); 1993:  739,774 (77.2%
 of Family 2A total); increase over 1992 total: +113,608 (+15.4%)

**of which, certain religious workers in the classes established
  under the Immigration Act of 1990:  1994:  1,823; 1993:  1,510

***of which, investors in targetted employment areas:  1994:  76;
   1993:  17

Since the 1993 count, all of the family-sponsored preference totals have
increased, with the greatest addition in the second preference.  The growth
in registrations last year has been less than half the nearly half a
million increase between the 1992 and 1993 counts, however.  The single
greatest element in that increase was petition filing for spouses and
children by beneficiaries of the 1986 legalization programs, who had become
permanent residents of the United States by the early 1990s and were then
able to file second preference petitions.  Such petition filings seem to
have peaked in 1992, however.  The total family preference waiting list
this year is more than double what it was eight years ago.

The employment-sponsored preferences as a group show a decrease.  This is
not surprising, since the Labor Department has indicated that labor
certification filings have dropped over the past few years.  Further, with
visas now immediately available in most employment preference categories
(the "other worker" category being the one notable exception), qualified
applicants are able to proceed to prompt final acton on their cases and do
not need to spend an extended period on the waiting list.

Immigrant visa issuances during fiscal year 1994 are limited by the terms
of INA 201 to 226,000 in the family-sponsored preferences and to 143,213 in
the employment-based preferences.

It should by no means be assumed that once an applicant is registered on
the waiting list, the registration is then continually included in the
waiting list totals unless and until a visa is issued.  The consular
procedures mandate a regular culling of visa cases to remove from the count
those unlikely to see further action, so that totals are not unreasonably
inflated.  If, for example, a consular post receives no response within one
year from an applicant to whom the visa application instruction letter
(i.e., the consular "Packet 3" letter) is sent when the movement of the
visa availability cut-off date indicates a visa may become available within
a reasonable time frame, the case is considered "inactive" under the
consular procedures and is no longer included in waiting list totals.

The sixteen countries/areas with the highest number of waiting list
registrants are listed below; together these represent 82.1% of the total.
This list includes all countries with at least 40,000 persons on the
waiting list.  Last year the same sixteen were also at the top of the
listing by largest number of applicants, although the country order was a
bit different.  (The per-country limit in INA 202 sets an annual maximum on
the amount of preference visas which may be issued to applicants from any
one country; the 1994 per-country limit is 25,845.)

                                         1994 TOTAL     1993 TOTAL

                  MEXICO                   983,966        856,228
                  PHILIPPINES              568,552        494,580
                  INDIA                    260,188        258,646
                  CHINA-mainland born      192,291        188,533
                  VIETNAM                  158,493        101,085
                  CHINA-Taiwan born        113,388        117,838
                  KOREA                    108,869        124,355
                  DOMINICAN REPUBLIC       103,139         98,696
                  EL SALVADOR               91,799         95,093
                  HAITI                     68,563         64,816
                  JAMAICA                   64,352         67,992
                  HONG KONG                 62,638         65,342
                  PAKISTAN                  56,946         63,332
                  GUYANA                    46,640         45,504
                  POLAND                    43,023         42,661
                  GUATEMALA                 42,450         47,319

                  All Others               646,824        661,173

                  Worldwide Total        3,612,121      3,393,193

The greatest country increases in this year's count are reflected in the
figures for Mexico (where the additional registrations are primarily close
family members of legalization beneficiaries), Philippines (where several
family preferences show higher figures) and Vietnam (where an increase is
concentrated among siblings of U.S. citizens).  The totals for many
countries actually show a small decline.  Mexico registrations alone
account for about 57% of the net increase in this year's worldwide waiting
list total.

A breakdown of the worldwide waiting list by region is:

Fam. Prefs.       (% of   Empl. Prefs.    (% of   Total      (% of Total
                        Family               Empl.            Waiting
                        Total)               Total)            List)
Africa               63,606 ( 1.8%)      4,064 ( 2.7%)      67,670 ( 1.9%)
Asia              1,656,221 (47.8%)     63,685 (42.5%)   1,719,906 (47.6%)
Europe              122,713 ( 3.6%)     13,127 ( 8.7%)     135,840 ( 3.8%)
N. America*       1,450,492 (41.9%)     53,400 (35.6%)   1,503,892 (41.6%)
Oceania              16,035 ( 0.5%)        741 ( 0.5%)      16,776 ( 0.5%)
S. America          153,080 ( 4.4%)     14,957 (10.0%)     168,037 ( 4.6%)

Total             3,462,147 (100.%)    149,974 (100.%)   3,612,121 (100.%)

*North America includes Canada, Mexico, Central America and the
Caribbean.

FAMILY-SPONSORED PREFERENCES

Family FIRST Preference:

The worldwide Family FIRST preference numerical limitation is 23,400.
Visas are immediately available at present for applicants from all but two
countries (Philippines and Mexico) which are oversubscribed on account of
their heavy applicant demand.  Waiting list details are:

                         Fam. First      Percent of
		         Preference      Category
        Country/Area 	 Total           Waiting List

        PHILIPPINES       49,381           77.8%
        MEXICO	           3,980            6.3%
        Other Countries   10,138           15.9%

        Total	          63,499          100.0%

Under the terms of INA 202(e), immigrant numbers for oversubscribed
countries are prorated among the various preferences.  During FY 1994,
there will be 1,638 Family FIRST preference numbers for Philippines.  (This
compares to 4,000 numbers annually under the former terms of INA 202(e).)
For Philippines applicants, the cut-off date in this preference has
advanced only about two and a half months during the past year, and the
considerable visa demand in excess of the limit will permit very slow
movement as far as can be foreseen.  Philippines oversubscription has,
moreover, become considerably greater during the past year, with the
country total nearly 10,000 higher than a year ago.  (Cases are added to
the waiting list in this category not only by the approval of new FIRST
preference petitions, but also through automatic conversion of pending 2B
cases into FIRST preference upon the naturalization of the petitioner.)
For Mexico, where more FIRST preference visas are available because of the
fall-across to the category of unused Mexico employment preference numbers,
the oversubscription of this category is at present less severe.  For other
countries, the preference should remain "current" for the near term, but
the prospect of future oversubscription exists, particularly if large
quantities of Family 2B cases move into the category following
naturalization of petitioners.

Family SECOND Preference:

The total Family SECOND preference waiting list figure is 1,498,075.  Of
these, 1,047,496 (70%) are spouses and children of permanent residents of
the United States (the 2A class), and 450,579 (30%) are adult
sons/daughters of permanent residents (the 2B class).  The Family SECOND
preference waiting list has increased by 147,420 applicants in the past
year.  This is the greatest preference increase in terms of absolute
numbers, and represents 65% of the entire worldwide family preference
waiting list growth during the year.

The worldwide Family SECOND preference limit for FY 1994 is 114,200 plus
unused FIRST preference numbers; 77% of this total are provided to "2A"
spouses and children of permanent residents, while the remaining 23% go to
"2B" adult sons and daughters of permanent residents.

2A:  About 95,000 visa numbers are expected to be available to this
applicant class during FY 1994.  The countries with the highest 2A waiting
list totals are:

		         Family 2A       Percent of
		         Preference      Category
       Country/Area      Total           Waiting List

       MEXICO     	 717,085           68.5%
       EL SALVADOR	  40,359            3.8%
       HAITI         	  37,804            3.6%
       DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 31,637            3.0%
       INDIA              20,021            1.9%
       GUATEMALA	  18,785            1.8%
       PHILIPPINES	  16,988            1.6%
       PAKISTAN	          13,196            1.3%
       Other Countries   151,621           14.5%

       Total           1,047,496          100.0%

The 1990 Act has significantly added to the number of visas for the 2A
class (issuances during FY 1994 will be close to 50% more than would have
been possible under the former provisions of law), and has now virtually
equalized the visa waiting period for applicants from all countries.
(Previously, there had been substantially earlier cut-off dates for Mexico,
Philippines and Dominican Republic applicants.)  It is apparent, however,
that even with the greater visa availability, the large and rapidly growing
waiting list assures continued oversub- scription in the foreseeable
future, and the prospect of a lengthening delay between the filing of a
petition and the applicant's turn for visa issuance being reached.  Over
the past year, the visa availability cut-off date for this applicant class
advanced six months, and in view of the heavy concentration of applicants
with 1991 and 1992 priority dates, even slower movement in the months ahead
is likely.

As is clear from the section below, the major factor contributing to the
greatly increased Family 2A visa demand is the filing of petitions for
immediate family members by persons legalized under the terms of the
Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, who began to be admitted to
permanent residence in large numbers during 1989.  (Leaving aside petitions
filed by legalization beneficiaries, the Family 2A waiting list total is
actually lower than a year ago.)  Mexico cases represent 60% of Family 2A
applicants with 1991 priority dates, 75% of 1992 registrations, and 71% of
1993 cases.)

Over the next few years, as the petitioners in 2A cases become eligible to
apply for naturalization, some may become citizens and thus pending 2A
petitions for their spouses and children would be converted automatically
into the immediate relative visa category, which is not subject to
numerical limit and for which, therefore, there is no waiting period.
There is potential for a possible, indeed probable, major increase in
immediate relative visas in coming years, therefore, with a corresponding
drop in the Family 2A waiting list.  It is not possible at present to
quantify this prospect, however.

Spouses and Children of Legalization Beneficiaries:  Separate and in
addition to the Family 2A preference limit, the Immigration Act of 1990
includes a transition provision which authorizes up to 55,000 visas in each
of FYs 1992, 1993 and 1994 for spouses and children of those permanent
residents who acquired status through the legalization programs established
under the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.  The 1994 numerical
limit calculated for this category is actually 32,776, under the offset
provision which factors last year's immediate relative immigration into the
determination.

Of the 1,047,496 applicants registered in the 2A category, 853,382 (81.5%)
have been identified as spouses and children of legalization beneficiaries,
and as such they are entitled to status this year under both the Family 2A
classification and this "LB" transition provision, with visa issuance
determined by the category in which a visa first becomes available for
their priority date.  Countries with the highest number of applicants
entitled to status under the transition provision are:

                           "LB" Cat.      Percent of
                           Applicant      Category
       Country/Area        Total          Waiting List

        MEXICO              675,626        79.2%
        EL SALVADOR          34,293         4.0%
        HAITI                26,277         3.1%
        GUATEMALA            15,689         1.8%
        INDIA                13,052         1.5%
        DOMINICAN REPUBLIC   10,645         1.3%
	Other Countries      77,800         9.1%

        Total               853,382       100.0%

Since persons from Mexico comprised about three-quarters of the
legalization beneficiaries, it is not surprising to find that most of the
spouses/children for whom such beneficiaries subsequently filed immigration
preference petitions are from that country.

Since 1992, the transition provision has helped to reduce the pressure on
the Family 2A category by providing additional visas for this major
applicant component.  The phase-out of the transition provision within a
few months will in effect reduce the annual visa issuance to spouses and
children of permanent residents, with the inevitable result an even slower
rate of advance in the Family 2A cut-off date.

2B:  Visa numbers for this class of adult sons and daughters are expected
to total about 28,500 during FY 1994, about one-third fewer than might have
been available under the former terms of the law.  The waiting list far
exceeds the annual limit.  Applicant totals are:

                          Family 2B          Percent of
                          Preference         Category
        Country/Area      Total              Waiting List

        MEXICO              84,067         18.7%
        DOMINICAN REPUBLIC  48,671         10.8%
        PHILIPPINES	    43,887          9.8%
        CHINA-mainland born 21,701          4.8%
        EL SALVADOR         20,429          4.5%
        JAMAICA             20,179          4.5%
        HAITI               18,489          4.1%
        INDIA               15,898          3.5%
        GUYANA              14,450          3.2%
        CHINA-Taiwan born   10,482          2.3%
        KOREA               10,457          2.3%
        Other Countries    141,869         31.5%

        Total              450,579        100.0%


The combination of the reduced numerical limit for this visa category under
the terms of the Immigration Act of 1990, and the growing applicant demand
indicated by the substantially greater waiting list (up more than 58,000 in
the past year) means slow movement of this visa cut-off date and an
increasingly long wait for a 2B visa.  The worldwide Family 2B cut-off date
has advanced only about six weeks during the past year and the pace of
movement is unlikely to increase very significantly in the foreseeable
future.

Family THIRD Preference:

The annual visa limit is 23,400 compared with 27,000 under the former
provisions of law.  Two oversubscribed countries (Philippines and Mexico)
have sufficiently heavy demand in this preference to require a cut-off date
earlier than the worldwide date.  Countries with highest registrations are:

                           Fam. Third	 Percent of
                           Preference    Category
        Country/Area 	   Total         Waiting List

        PHILIPPINES          143,987        56.0%
        MEXICO                35,373        13.8%
        POLAND                13,943         5.4%
        Other Countries       63,807        24.8%

        Total                257,110       100.0%

The Family THIRD preference waiting list grow by almost 39,000 (nearly 18%)
during the past year.  More than three-quarters of the increase was in the
Philippines; under the visa prorating provisions of INA 202(e), annual
issuances for that country are limited to 1,638, however.  The greater
applicant demand in this category makes likely a gradually lengthening wait
for a visa in the years ahead.

Family FOURTH Preference:

Applicants registered in the Family FOURTH preference total 1,643,463,
which is the largest single element of the waiting list.  Annual visa
issuances are limited to 65,000.  Because of the very heavy demand
concentrated in this preference, the wait for a visa is longer than in any
other category.  The countries listed below have the largest number of
FOURTH preference applicants:

                               Fam. Fourth        Percent of
                               Preference         Category
        Country/Area           Total              Waiting List

        PHILIPPINES              292,693           17.8%
        INDIA                    213,593           13.0%
        CHINA-mainland born      148,909            9.1%
        MEXICO                   136,592            8.3%
        VIETNAM                  130,760            7.9%
        CHINA-Taiwan born         95,119            5.8%
        KOREA                     77,247            4.7%
        HONG KONG                 52,648            3.2%
        PAKISTAN                  35,819            2.2%
        Other Countries          460,083           28.0%

        Total                   1,643,463         100.0%

Philippines and Vietnam had the most significant increases in this visa
category during the past year.  Many countries in fact showed a drop in
total Family FOURTH preference applicants.  Perhaps the steadily growing
waiting period, now approaching ten years for countries of most favorable
visa availability and even longer for some oversubscribed countries, is
discouraging new petition filing.  The huge waiting list assures that the
cut-off dates in this preference are likely to continue to move slowly.
Estimated FY 1994 Family FOURTH preference visa issuances under the
per-country limit for the three countries with the earliest cut-off dates
are:  Philippines 4,550; India 9,000; Mexico 6,500.  A comparison of these
figures with their waiting list totals illustrates the extent of
oversubscription and the inevitable very slow progress expected in the
cut-off dates.

EMPLOYMENT-BASED PREFERENCES

The employment-based categories were extensively revised by the 1990 Act
and the numerical limits were considerably increased, from a total of
54,000 for the former third and sixth preferences to at least 140,000 for
the entire new series of employment preferences.  Before the provisions of
the 1990 Act took effect, the former third and sixth preferences had been
oversubscribed; for most countries, the Employment FIRST and SECOND
preferences and the skilled worker/professional segment of THIRD preference
became "current" in October 1991 and remain so.  With Employment preference
visas readily available for most qualified applicants (except for those in
the Other (i.e., Unskilled) Worker category) and with new labor
certification filings down in recent years, it is not surprising that the
Employment waiting list total has in fact declined since last year's count.
It is important to note that more than half of all Employment preference
immigrants are adjustment of status cases at INS offices.  Cases pending
with INS are not counted in the consular waiting list tally.  Thus, in
several Employment preference categories the waiting list understates the
actual immigrant demand.

Employment FIRST Preference:

As of January, registrations in this category were 8,315 against a FY 1994
limit of 40,959 (28.6% of 143,213), plus any unused numbers from the
Employment FOURTH and FIFTH preferences, which fall "up" to FIRST.  Visa
availability is "current" for all countries.  During FY 1993, 21,632
numbers were used in this preference; FY 1994 number use is likely to be
close to that figure, with about half of Employment FIRST preference
numbers falling to the SECOND preference.  The country with the largest
number of applicants currently on the FIRST preference waiting list is
Canada, with 1,152 (13.9% of the worldwide total).

Employment SECOND Preference:

The FY 1994 visa limit is 40,959 plus unused numbers from the FIRST
preference.  The waiting list as of January 1994 is down 40% from the
18,682 counted last year, and 66% from the 32,452 of January 1992.  The
totals in those years consisted primarily of former third preference cases
automatically carried into this category when the 1990 Act took effect.
The preference has been "current" for most countries since October 1991
and, with more visas issued than new petitions approved, the size of the
waiting list has diminished.  Consular registration figures show only three
countries with more than 1,000 applicants on the SECOND preference waiting
list:

                                Empl. Second      Percent of
                                Preference        Category
        Country/Area            Total             Waiting List

        PHILIPPINES               2,839              25.5%
        INDIA                     1,674	             15.0%
        CHINA-mainland born       1,020	              9.1%
        Other Countries           5,626              50.4%

        Total                    11,159             100.0%

This category is "current" at present for all chargeabilities.  The
preference is likely to remain "current" in the foreseeable future, with
total FY 1994 number use expected to be perhaps slightly more than half the
29,415 numbers used in FY 1993.

Employment THIRD Preference:

The preference is entitled to 28.6% of the 143,213 FY 1994 Employment
numbers, i.e., 40,959, plus the unused numbers from the category above.
INA 203(b)(3)(B) specifies that no more than 10,000 of these numbers may be
provided to applicants in the "Other (i.e., Unskilled) Worker" subcategory,
however.

The Employment THIRD preference waiting list components for "Skilled
Workers" (i.e., at least two years of training or experience required for
labor certification) and "Professionals with Baccalaureate Degree" total
30,735 (25% of all registrations in the preference), down by about 2,000
(6.3%) from last year's total.  Again, this is not surprising since the
category is "current" for all but two chargeabilities at the present time.
Countries with the highest number of such applicants are:

                               Empl. Third
                               Preference:        Percent of
                               Skilled Wkr/       Waiting List
                               Professional       in These
        Country/Area           Components         Classes

        PHILIPPINES               10,679           34.7%
        KOREA                      1,913            6.2%
        CHINA-mainland born        1,709            5.6%
        INDIA                      1,359            4.4%
        CHINA-Taiwan born          1,155            3.8%
        IRAN                         883            2.9%
        MEXICO                       831            2.7%
        CANADA                       758            2.5%
        Other Countries           11,448           37.2%

        Total                     30,735          100.0%

While the figures for most countries are lower this year than last, the
Philippines total has increased by more than 5,000.

Other Workers:  Applicants within this segment of the Employment THIRD
preference amount to 94,348, i.e., 63% of the entire Employment preference
waiting list, and about 75% of the THIRD preference total.  The figure
includes not just the workers themselves, but (as in all other preference
categories) derivative spouses and children as well, who are entitled to
the same status and order of consideration as the principal under INA
203(d).  As noted above, the annual limit set by law for issuances to this
component of THIRD preference is 10,000.  It is the one element within the
Employment preferences which has been consistently oversubscribed.  The
Other Worker applicant total has dropped by about 1,000 (1%) over the past
year, perhaps in part because the long wait for a visa in the category has
helped to discourage new cases.  Countries with the most registrations are:

                               Empl. Third        Percent of
                               Preference:        Waiting List
                               Other Worker       in This
        Country/Area           Component          Class

        EL SALVADOR             15,530             16.5%
        KOREA                   11,018             11.7%
        TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO      7,599              8.0%
        PHILIPPINES              6,332              6.7%
        GUATEMALA                5,679              6.0%
        MEXICO                   5,655              6.0%
        JAMAICA                  3,602              3.8%
        CHINA-mainland born      2,622              2.8%
        Other Countries         36,311             38.5%

        Total                   94,348            100.0%

The estimated total number use in the Employment THIRD preference during FY
1994 will probably be about 62,000.  (This includes about 12,000
adjustments of status for beneficiaries of the Chinese Student Protection
Act; the application period for benefits under the CSPA began on July 1,
1993 and will end on June 30, 1994.  CSPA cases, even though placed by law
within the worldwide Employment THIRD preference numerical limitation, are
processed by INS under special rules of entitlement, and are not reflected
in the waiting list figures.)  In view of the anticipated fall into this
preference of many thousands of numbers from above, visas can be expected
to remain "current" in the immediate future for most applicants within the
"Skilled Worker" and "Professional" components.

The notable exceptions are allocations for Philippines and China.
Philippines registrations are considerably in excess of the visas available
annually under the country limit; a slow-moving visa cut-off date is in
prospect for the foreseeable future.  In the China-mainland born
chargeability, several thousand spouses and children of Chinese Student
Protection Act beneficiaries are likely to "follow-to-join" the principals
in the year ahead; the added visa demand (not reflected in the waiting list
total above) is likely to assure continued oversubscription of China
Employment THIRD preference numbers for the immediate future.

In the "Other Worker" subcategory, where visa demand is already so much in
excess of the annual limit, slow forward movement of the cut-off date is
expected.

Employment FOURTH Preference:

The worldwide FY 1994 visa limit (7.1% of 143,213) is 10,168 in this
preference.  Only 5,241 applicants were counted in the January 1994 waiting
list tally, 1,823 of whom in the classes for "certain religious workers"
established under INA 101(a)(27)(C)(ii)(II) and (III).  Perhaps 6,400
immigrant numbers within this preference are expected to be used during FY
1994, about 2,300 of which for "certain religious workers".  (Note that
under the current terms of the INA, the visa provisions for "certain
religious workers" are due to expire as of September 30, 1994.)

The preference should remain "current" for applicants from all countries
other than Philippines.  Under prorating, the Philippines Employment FOURTH
preference is entitled to 712 numbers for FY 1994 and visa demand,
particularly from former U.S. government employees, is likely to remain in
excess of that limit.  The Philippines waiting list for this preference is
1,620 (30% of the worldwide total).  Any unused FOURTH preference numbers
fall up to Employment FIRST preference.

Employment FIFTH Preference:

The FY 1994 limit is 10,168.  There are 176 applicants currently registered
on the visa waiting list, 76 of whom are investors in "targetted areas".
The three chargeabilities with the greatest number of registrants
(China-Taiwan born:  62; China-mainland born:  33; and Hong Kong:  27)
together represent 69% of registrants.  (As noted above, cases being
processed by INS for adjustment of status are not included in the consular
waiting list count.)

During FY 1993, 596 Employment FIFTH preference numbers were used.  Visas
are available at present for all applicants; the current estimate is that
about 500 numbers will be used this year.  Any unused numbers from this
annual limit fall up to Employment FIRST preference.

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Hi, everybody:

The number of visa granded to LADs is clear stated as 3100 by the State 
Department visa bulletin  as posted by 
Larry <H6WL%PSUORVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu>.

Although the cutoff date has retrogress to July 1,1993 from July 2, 1994,
we don't have to be pessimistic.

As it was estimated by IFCSS that there are about 8000 principales with LADs.
And it also said that about half of the LADs have 'out-of-status' problem.
Some applications with this  problem  were accepted and even got green cards
already  which depends on luck.
            
According to my earlier survey on the priority date distribution of LADs,
I concluded that 77% of LADS are with July 1, 1993 priority date.  So there
are 6200 LADs(with  July 1, 1993 priority date)  waiting for EB3 visa.
Subtractng the 3100 visa already granted, we know there are only about 3100
LADs are waiting for visa with July 1, 1993  priority date. Some of them may
not be eligible because of their 'out-of-status' problem. So it is very likely
that all the qualified LADs with July 1, 1993  priority date will get their
green card shortly after October, 1994 which is the beginning of 1995
fisical year. It isn't very clear if the LADs  with priority date later than
July 1, 1993 will get their green cards before October, 1995.  It depends on
how each INS office handles the 'out-of-status' problem. If most INS offices
are aware of this problem, most LADs with 'out-of-status' problem will be
rejected. Then it's likely that some LADs  with priority date later than 
July 1, 1993 will get their green cards also. Otherwise, they may have
to wait for the quota from 1996 Fisical year ---about one and half year 
from now.

Good luck to everybody!

Best regards,
Q.Zhu

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As for the out-of-status lads, they just can not adjust their status
in US. All the other benefits are just the same as those who are
in-status, such as the priority date. So, they are required to file 
I-824 to the regional centers, and get their GC from GuangZhou, and 
they are getting GC from GuangZhou NOW. 

Just a reminder,

Mi Mi Sr.



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Mi Mi Jr. has made great achievements since her arrival last December.
The first Report Card, covering December to January, showed almost
all the categories except math as "Fair", or "Need improvements". The 
second Report Card, covering then up to  March, has shown only in 
oral language and physical education as "satisfactory", all the others
are either "excellent" or "good". She has been nominated and put on 
the "Honor Roll" now. 

Mi Mi Sr.


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Hi, forwarded is an e-mail sent to my personal account, regarding the lads
issue. Some one might be interested in it, so I just post it to the whole net.



Mi Mi Sr.


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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 18:56:20 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "j.   he" <jhe@julian.uwo.ca>
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GO NORTH! YOUNG MEN!

Dear Later-arrived Dissident Students In USA:

	I am a lads myself, who can not go back while rejected by the Canadian
government as a legitimete political asylem seeker. But recently I became 
a PR through independent immigration application. It seems fairly clear 
that Bill Clinton is not willing to solve the problem of lads because of 
the strong anti-immigration sentiment in USA, just like in Canada, the 
government refused to intervene despite of the support of the course of 
lads from several MPs. I would like to suggest that you on the one hand 
continue the just course of lads, while on the other hand find another 
way out. Canada right now opens its door to people with skills and higher 
education, to me immigration to Canada is not too bad a idea. Here I 
would like to share some background information about independent 
immigration to Canada to everyone who is interested. 

	Ms. Sophie Boutzis is my lawyer who handled all my applicaiton 
procedure, I find that she is very dedicated to the job, and cares about 
her reputation a lot. The address of Scot & Associates is as follows:

	Ms. Sophie Boutzis
	Scot & Associates
	1531 Bayview Ave.
	P.O.Box.43501
	Toronto, Ont.
	M4G 4G8
	Tel.:(416)461-9385
	     (416)200-7333(cellular phone)
	Fax: (416)461-9346



Dear Chinese Students and Scholars:

I would like to express my support for Ms.Sophie Boutzis of Scot & Associates
for the work they have successfully accomplished with my and other colleagues
'immigration applications. Scot Associates are known for their thoroughness
and promptness in handling the affairs of Chinese students and scholars in 
major centres across Canada.  Their strength is in making possible the success 
of applications because of the quality of their service.

Relative to the level of service and success, their fees are very 
reasonable. Services have included assisting with all facets of the 
application process including accompanying clients to their interviews.

The selection of an immigration consultant when applying to immigrate 
to Canada can be one of the most important decisions in our lives.  With 
this gravity in mind, I recommend the services of Scot & Associates.  If 
you have further questions, please feel free to contact me.


Your sincerely,

John He

Department of Biochemistry
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
Canada N6A 5C1

Tel.: (519)679-2111-ext.6854(office)
      (519)675-0599(home)
E-mail: jhe@julian.uwo.ca

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The following is a message from Ms.Sophie Boutzis

	Exceptional Service on Your Immigration Planning

Immigrating to Canada

Historically, Canada is a country of immigrants.  In the several hundred
years since its founding, Canada has opened up its arms to immigrants from
all over the world in an effort to build a strong nation.  Immigrants have
quickly established themselves here, many owning their own land in a
growing and vibrant country, far away from war, famine, and social and
political unrest. Indeed one of our major exports has been the sending
peace keepers to 20 countries around the world. 

Canada is one of the most prosperous nations in the world, despite its 
commitment to help all levels of its society.  All levels of government 
(city, provincial and federal) are democratically elected.  Our national
government is modelled on the best aspects of the British Parliament and is
very responsive to the needs of its citizens.  Our social policies, such as
our Health Care system, are admired by the rest of the world.  It is an 
active member of the Group of Seven most industrialized countries and was one
of the first western countries to give official recognition to China.

More than 50% of Canadians are connected to an immigrant family member who
arrived here less than 100 years ago.  Canada constantly supports the fact
that it would not have reached its position today without the constant 
renewing of the immigrants.  Canada knows that its new immigrants bring 
the virtues of hard work and appreciation for freedom that we sometimes 
take for granted.  Unlike many other countries in the world, Canadian 
governments praise and encourage new immigrants among us and their 
contribution.

Canada's official policy is to attract immigrants who will contribute their
skills and expertise to foster economical and social development.  As a 
result, we have consistently opened the doors to those immigrants who have 
the knowledge and skills we need for our continued prosperity.  Canada's policy
is best understood in the so-called " Points System". 

The Points System sets out the criteria for admission into Canada based 
on the following attributes: education, work experience, age , language 
ability, employment suitability, and demographics.  Each attribute is given
certain points, and these are totalled to determine whether a candidate's
skills match the skills needed by Canada.

Key to the Points System is the employability criteria.  Canada wants immi-
grants who are not only qualified in their own fields, but whose occupations
are also clearly in demand.  The Points System is regularly updated to ensure
that it reflects Canada's changing economical realities.

Scot & Associates has proven its dedication to maintaining the Canadian 
tradition of open and fair access to immigration to Canada.  We believe that
immigrants make our country stronger.  Canada celebrates the diversity of
its people and encourage them to maintain their inherited cultures.  Scot &
Associates supports this policy and provides personalized service to make 
immigration to Canada a reality.

Scot & Associates has a team of experienced professionals who have excellent 
track records. We have been fortunate enough to assist individuals from all
over the world to secure landed status in Canada.  We have built a 
reputation for treating our clients with respect and fairness.  Clients 
have told us how much they appreciate the counselling and advice given through
all phases of the immigration application process.  It is important to 
simplify and explain the complex legal guidelines and requirements.  We take 
responsibility to leave no stone unturned in ensuring that our clients 
understand the process - we adapt to you and your needs.  This is an 
auspicious year for many nations, we look forward to celebrating your 
successful arrival in Canada.


Your sincerely,

Sophie Boutzis

Scot & Associates 
Toronto, Ontario 
Canada




 
      





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dwang@iphase.com (David Wang) wrote:

   Dear Mi Mi Sr.

   Do you know is there any way the lads can go to Canada or Mexico for
   interview and get GC ? 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you can go to Mexico or GuangZhou for that,

   How out-of-status lads can get work permit ? Apply Voluntary Departure
   can general solve the problem ? Can if be rejected ?  
^^^^^^^^^^^you are entitled to work permit, advanced porale. There is no
limit and no fee.

   Did the final INS regulation come out ?  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Oh, you got me.... I never hear that.....

   Thank you for care about those unlucky lads 



   According to Mi Mi:
   > 
   > 
   > As for the out-of-status lads, they just can not adjust their status
   > in US. All the other benefits are just the same as those who are
   > in-status, such as the priority date. So, they are required to file 
   > I-824 to the regional centers, and get their GC from GuangZhou, and 
   > they are getting GC from GuangZhou NOW. 
   > 
   > Just a reminder,
   > 
   > Mi Mi Sr.
   > 
   > 
   > 


   -- 


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Hi, the procedures are listed in the CSPA document, please refer to
the interim rule of CSPA. You can find it in your library, ifcss.org,
and CND. 

1) Only one city in Mexico handles your case, and I do not think why
you can not go to GuangZhou for it. You request the city of your 
interview choice in I-824 form. ONLY GuangZhou handles it. 

2) You can get work permit from local INS.

3) "Advanced parole" means you can use it to leave and return to USA.


Mi Mi Sr.

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   Dear Mi Mi Sr.

   Would be so kind as to give me a little guidance on HOW to do the following.

    1. How I can request for interview in Mexico ? 
    2. How my lads can get the work permit they are entitled ? 
    3. What "Advanced parole" means ? 

   If the question is kind of complicated. You can just point to the right 
   document for me and I will read them. 

   Thanks for your help.


   According to Mi Mi:
   > 
   > 
   > dwang@iphase.com (David Wang) wrote:
   > 
   >    Dear Mi Mi Sr.
   > 
   >    Do you know is there any way the lads can go to Canada or Mexico for
   >    interview and get GC ? 
   >     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you can go to Mexico or GuangZhou for that,
   > 
   >    How out-of-status lads can get work permit ? Apply Voluntary Departure
   >    can general solve the problem ? Can if be rejected ?  
   > ^^^^^^^^^^^you are entitled to work permit, advanced porale. There is no
   > limit and no fee.
   > 
   >    Did the final INS regulation come out ?  
   > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Oh, you got me.... I never hear that.....
   > 
   >    Thank you for care about those unlucky lads 
   > 
   > 
   > 
   >    According to Mi Mi:
   >    > 
   >    > 
   >    > As for the out-of-status lads, they just can not adjust their status
   >    > in US. All the other benefits are just the same as those who are
   >    > in-status, such as the priority date. So, they are required to file 
   >    > I-824 to the regional centers, and get their GC from GuangZhou, and 
   >    > they are getting GC from GuangZhou NOW. 
   >    > 
   >    > Just a reminder,
   >    > 
   >    > Mi Mi Sr.
   >    > 
   >    > 
   >    > 
   > 
   > 
   >    -- 
   > 
   > 

   David Wang
   dwang@iphase.com 
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Mi Mi wrote:
| 1) Only one city in Mexico handles your case, and I do not think why
| you can not go to GuangZhou for it. You request the city of your 
| interview choice in I-824 form. ONLY GuangZhou handles it. 

  Maybe I confused myself with the logic here.  If you mean one CAN go to 
  Mexico for the final processing, I think you are right (not "ONLY GuanZhou 
  handles it").  Actually, Juarez Mexico has advantages over GuangZhou for 
  folks in Texas (and New Mexico).  It's just opposite the El Paso, and it's 
  near the national parks.  Compared with spending > 1,000 airfare to go back 
  to China for a visa (if visiting China is not another reason), why not use 
  the Mexican border town?
  BTW, I chose Juarez, Mexico and I was notified the consul there has started 
  the final processing.

- Jimmy

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Hi there,
I field I-824 two weeks ago for my 5-year-old son who is in China and received
the Receipt Notice (Form I-797C) from East INS Service Center today.  In this
form, my name is on both boxes of PETITIONER and BENEFICIARY, also my A# is on 
both boxes of FILE NUMBER corresponding to Petitioner and Beneficiary 
respectively.  No my son's name on this notice at all.  I was confused because think that my son is the beneficiary of this petition (I-824) nd he should get his own FILE NUMBER (A#).
Are there any experenced people who can tell wherther my thoughts correct or not?  Any responces and comments are greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
,

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Whichever city is the best  choice dependes on your needs.  If Mexico is
better, then  go to Mexico. We lads have two choices ONLY.

Mi Mi Jr. has done her final processing this afternoon. She was not requested 
for fingerpring and signature, and the INS retained her approval notice,
and I do not know why. As her visa type, there is a handwriting on her
passport, which I think looks very like e29, but her approval notice was
very clearly EC6. Anyway, her case is settled by now.

Mi Mi Sr.

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INS will process your I-824, find out what you are up to. When they know you
are elligible to bring your son here, they will ask you further questions,
about your son, if you did not give enough; then notify GuangZhou to process
your son's case, i.e. medical examine, I-485, etc. Until then will your son
get an A# and interview, visa. He will get a temperory GC stamp on his
passport, have photo taken at the entry airport. Two monthes later, the real
GC will arrive for him. Just be patient! 


Mi Mi Sr.

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   Hi there,
   I field I-824 two weeks ago for my 5-year-old son who is in China and received
   the Receipt Notice (Form I-797C) from East INS Service Center today.  In this
   form, my name is on both boxes of PETITIONER and BENEFICIARY, also my A# is on 
   both boxes of FILE NUMBER corresponding to Petitioner and Beneficiary 
   respectively.  No my son's name on this notice at all.  I was confused because think that my son is the beneficiary of this petition (I-824) nd he should get his own FILE NUMBER (A#).
   Are there any experenced people who can tell wherther my thoughts correct or not?  Any responces and comments are greatly appreciated.
   Thanks.
   ,


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Dear Netters:
   Sometime ago, I posted a message asking a question on whether a
lad can apply for advance parole to a third country for a vacation.
Thanks to those who responded to my questions. I now summerize what
I have learned.
   The bottom line is that you can apply for it, but most likely the
INS will deny your advance parole application.
   Some netters said yes and some said no. But none of them has actually
tried to obtain it. We went to a nearby INS office and asked them 
about it. The officer told me that we can apply but it's unlikely that
they will approve it. We decided not to apply because there is no sense
of giving them $65 and being rejected.

   Z. Huang


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One friend who can not approach this net ask me to post the
following questions here:
When he submitted his LADs (F2 and then H4) applications to INS,
He did not enclosed the copies of his own visa documents (F1,
practical training, and H1).  Now he is worrying about that INS
might think his LADs were out of status during the time when he was
actually in practical training, because there was no visa documents
in his LADs files in INS for that period.  So far he did not
receive any message from INS.

The questions are:
     (1) Should he mail the copies of his visa documents to INS
now, or just wait until INS wants them ?
     (2) If waiting, is it possible that INS directively rejects
his LADs applications without interview or asking further documents
(because INS might think his LADs were DED) ?

Any suggestions would be fully appreciate.

H. Wang

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Apr 21 14:56:20 1994
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Take care, my dear lads-l friends! This is my signoff message. Just
want to say goodbye to everyone. I have enjoyed staying with you,
and I did have good time. 

I will forward any information from INS regarding our petition letter
to you once I get it.

Goodbye,

Mi Mi Sr.



From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Apr 21 15:03:15 1994
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Last year we lads-l conducted a petition letter drive. We had collected
1500+ signatures with our letters to INS, White House, Congress and 
other concerned US oOfficials. (to read the petition letter, please 
ftp from spike.rice.edu). Last month, Department of Justice replied to me
on the behalf of President. This month, INS promised to take a look into
our case. Should we get any positive response, our lads problem will be
no more. As I am leaving this net, who ever is interested in taking my
place please contact me. As ussual, I use Mi Mi Sr. in posting this letter,
instead of my own identity in the petition letter sent to the government.
Here it is.

                                   U.S. Department of Justice
                                   Immigration and Naturalization Service

                                   425 Eye Street N.W. 
                                   Washinton, D.C. 20536
                                   CO 893.1-C
                                   Apr. 5, 1994

Lads Network Committee
c/o Mr. Mi Mi Sr.

Dear Mr. Mi Mi Sr.:

This is in further reference to your communication to President Clinton,
which was forwarded to the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS)
Headquarters Office in Washinton, DC, for review and action. Please be 
assured that we are continuing to investigate all matters of concern 
expressed in your communication to the President.

As soon as we complete our review concerning the matters referred to
in your communication, we will then provide you with a complete and 
final response.

Sincerely.

DeWana J. Tate

Acting Chief
Information Operations Unit


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Apr 21 15:59:20 1994
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Mi Mi Sr. wrote:

>Take care, my dear lads-l friends! This is my signoff message. Just
>want to say goodbye to everyone. I have enjoyed staying with you,
>and I did have good time.
>
>I will forward any information from INS regarding our petition letter
>to you once I get it.
>
>Goodbye,
>
>Mi Mi Sr.

Dear Mi Mi Sr.:

I hope you still on the lad net for one or two days to check the
response to your good-bye message.

All I want to say is, THANK YOU and the LAD committee for your excellent
work, very valuable information and time.  I believe everybody on this net
has the same feeling.  I really appreciate your effort.

Take care yourselves.

LX



From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Apr 21 17:13:45 1994
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Mi Mi Sr. did excellent job to the lads. Let's appreciate his work 
and say goodbye to him.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Apr 21 18:28:05 1994
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Mi Mi Sr. has done an excellent job for us. Let us express our great 
appreciation to him and wish he good luck

Thank you Mi Mi Sr. 

-- 

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Apr 21 19:27:26 1994
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At  6:30 PM 4/21/94 -0500, David Wang wrote:
>Mi Mi Sr. has done an excellent job for us. Let us express our great 
>appreciation to him and wish he good luck
>
>Thank you Mi Mi Sr. 
>
>-- 
There have been couple of message expressed their appreciation for Mi Mi Sr.'s 
excellent job in this net.  I am so sorry to see that he is leaving us, and I
would like to join that team to express my own appreciation to him for what he
did for all of us.

Thanks for the excellent job and wish you a bright future, Mi Mi Sr.  


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Apr 21 19:48:42 1994
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I would like to express my sincere gratitute for Mi Mi Jr. as well.
Yeung

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Apr 21 20:32:07 1994
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Thank you, Mi Mi Sr.!  

Whis you have good life, private life!

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Apr 21 21:07:02 1994
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This is a forward for Mi Mi Sr. Please do NOT reply to this email.
Send mail to Mi Mi Sr. if you want to reply, do NOT reply to me.
Since Mi Mi Sr. has already signoff, he can NOT post to LADS-L. So
he asked me to forward this message to netters.


Jun Wu


>From hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu Thu Apr 21 20:47:42 1994
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 94 21:47:36 -0400
>From: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Mi Mi)
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Subject: my signoff responses 

Hi, Jun Wu: Since I posted my signoff message to the net, my mailbox
is flooded with mails responding to my signoff message. Please forward
my sincere thanks to those who expressed their appreciation and good wills.
I do feel it was worth my time and effort to stay with lads-l friends.

Mi Mi Sr.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Apr 22 12:20:19 1994
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I'm sad to see Mi Mi Sr's leaving this net.  I'm sure we'll be missing
him and remember his great efforts made to our lads.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Apr 22 15:37:02 1994
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Hi, there, could somebody tell me the right place to go in order to 
pick up Application Forms (SF 171,etc.) for Federal Employment? 
I am trying to apply for a position in a federal lab., the deadline is
26th of this month. I have tried several places and but failed to 
find the correct places. Any recommendation is greatly appreciated.
thanks a lot. 

M. Jin

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Hi,
    Should anyone has the address of GuangZhou consulate or know where to
 find it, please contact me directly at_GR340429@sjsuvm1.sjsu_.
    Your help will be greatly appreciated.   Y. Liu

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sat Apr 23 23:30:01 1994
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Dear Friends:
	Please take a minute to read this and your help are highly 
appreciated. 
	A friend of mine, a PR under CSPA, has received a notice from INS
office that requests his daughter (a applicant of PR as LAD) to depart
from U.S. because of out of status. In fact, the problem was that during
his J/H visa conversion period, his daughter came to U.S. with J-2 visa.
The INS said that when his daughter got in this country, he already became
the H-1 holder, so that his daughter should not be a J-2 holder since that
time point. 
	The notice states that there is no appearance with this decision 
of the departure request. 
	Instead of my friend who is on a biological meeting now, I would
like to post this help-asking message to forward to hearing from you about
any helpful suggestion.  Thank you a lot.
	Guohua	


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Apr 24 00:00:43 1994
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This message is automatically sent out every week, in an attempt to reduce
the signoff requests posted on LADnet. Please read it and understand the
basic functions of this listserv. Please do not post signoff messages
to a public discussion list. Thank you.

Jun Wu -- listowner, LADS-L

=========================================================================
Dear friend,

	Welcome to the Late-Arrival-DependentS-List (LADS-L).

	LADS-L is a list dedicated to solve problems related to LADs of
Chinese-Students-Protection-Act (CSPA) principals. The list is maintained
by a group of voluntary Chinese Students, just like you. Netters who want
to express concerns or ask questions or provide answers to questions
should send mail to lads-l@spike.rice.edu.

	To sign off LADS-L, please send an email to "listserv@spike.rice.edu",
with mailbody as   "signoff LADS-L", from the account where you subscribed
to the list. If you have real problem signoff after the above attempt, please
drop a note to snow@spike.rice.edu.

	All backup issues for LADS-L can be retrieved via anonymous ftp from
spike.rice.edu (128.42.4.157), directory /pub/lads

	This is an automatically generated message, please do not reply.


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Sun Apr 24 09:16:53 1994
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Dear Netters:  Some of my friends are later comers, they need to know how to
sign on the later comers net.  Also, if anyone know Dr ZHAO HaiQing's 
post/email address, please tell me.  Please send emails directly  to my
account..    Thanks A Lot!

Fangpu GAO

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Dear Friend:

As more and more people get their GC, many of us would consider to invite
their parents to U.S. for a short visit. Does anyone know what kind of
documents are required for applying passport and visa? What the situation for
visa? It is said that it is very difficult to invite both parents to come
together, is there any way to make it easier? Thanks in advance.





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From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Mon Apr 25 08:03:47 1994
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> Dear Friend:
> 
> As more and more people get their GC, many of us would consider to invite
> their parents to U.S. for a short visit. Does anyone know what kind of
> documents are required for applying passport and visa? What the situation for
> visa? It is said that it is very difficult to invite both parents to come
> together, is there any way to make it easier? Thanks in advance.


I am planning to invite my parent too. Please pass whatever information you
get to me. Thank you very much.

Yucheng

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Apr 26 14:43:56 1994
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Hello all wonderful netters. I have a serious question that needs answer. I am 
a CSPA principal and was approved on Sep 30, 1993 by the Western center. However
I have not received my green card yet. I called the factory in Texas, a recog message said that they have received copy 2 of form I-181, but need copy 3
of form I-81 and a form I-89 in order to produce my green card. Has anyone ever
encountered the same kind of situation? Or does any one know what is going on
or what to do? All answers are highly appreciated.

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Apr 26 15:17:25 1994
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Dear Netters:

	I got the same problem with the printing of my green card.  I called
and got the same message which Mr. Wong of Arizona heard (I live in Texas).
According to my knowledge, another person besides us also met the same case.
I don't know how many people in all got such kind of a problem.  How and 
when is this problem to be solved?  Any kind of adequate reply will be highly
appreciated. Thanks.
							Samuel

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Apr 26 23:08:02 1994
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From: yanghh@cs.utexas.edu (Honghua Yang)
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Hi,

  I appologize first since this post is not related to lads issues.
But I would like to reach some kind friends on this net who are currently
living near Rutgers for some help on housing information for the summer.

  My husband (a lad in fact) is going to work in the AT&T Bell Labs at Holmdel
NJ from May 15 to Aug. 6. We (I will visit him briefly) are interested in
inexpensive housing info within half an hour driving distance from the
Holmdel lab. We are particularly interested in renting a room in a house
or getting a sublet for the summer. 

  Please send me a mail if you have such info.

Many thanks,

Honghua

yanghh@cs.utexas.edu

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Dear Netters:

	I am writing to ask your help about a problem in lad interview. I am a
CSPA principal. Recently we received an interview notice from local INS office
for my six-year-old daughter, who is a lad. One of the items we have to bring 
to the interview is "You MUST prove that you continuously maintained a lawful
status for all periods in the U.S." My daughter came to the U.S. on F-2. But
since My wife and I applied for PR, she is technically considered
out-of-status. I remember in last August or September there was an INS 
headquarters cable concerning this matter for out-of-status lads. I had
searched the lads-l archives for all postings in last August and September, but
I could nor find it. Could somebody let me know where I could get a copy of 
this cable?  Or if you had similiar situation, did you encounter any problems
in the interview? I appreciate any information or comments about this matter.

H. Liu

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From: "Tityik Wong" <wong@math.arizona.edu>
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Since I posted my question yesterday (about the case that I had not got my
GC yet), I have received a lot of warm responses. I sent thank-you 
message to each one who gave advice yesterday, but found it impossible
to continue doing so today. So this is a THANK YOU to all the caring 
people. I will keep you informed when there are new developments.

Wong

Univ of Ariz
Tucson

From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Apr 29 20:52:45 1994
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Hi there:

Somebody posed a mail today and asked for the INS cable on LAD.
I do remember this cable which said "The lads' status will not 
be considered illegal if his/her spouse's lose the F, J or H
visa only because he/she applied PR". Something like this.
If somebody has this cable, please also send me one.

Thank you in advance.

LX

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At  8:56 PM 4/29/94 -0500, HXYUE@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu wrote:
>Hi there:
>
>Somebody posed a mail today and asked for the INS cable on LAD.
>I do remember this cable which said "The lads' status will not 
>be considered illegal if his/her spouse's lose the F, J or H
>visa only because he/she applied PR". Something like this.
>If somebody has this cable, please also send me one.
>
>Thank you in advance.
>
>LX

You can find the text of the INS cable in IFCSS's "News Letter" nl0503 at
cnd.org/ifcss/NL. I was trying to transfer the text into my E-mail system
so that I can post it, but unfortunately failed.  

CL


