At 01:08 PM 4/5/03 +0530, you wrote: >Dear sri vaishnava perunthagaiyeer, > >In the 4000 dhivya prabhandham book published by >"varamangai nachchiyaar bhaktha sabhai" triplicane >-chennai malivu padhippu book [which I refer quite frequently] > >the meaning given for this word "aRaiyO" is > >"jaiththavargaL thORRavargaLai nOkkik kooRum vaarththai" > >to translate into English- this word aRaiyO is said by one who is successful to the defeated. > >The title of this 5-aam paththu [5th century] is > >"avanai adaivadharku idaiyooRugaLai pOkkubhavanum avanE enru solludhal" > > - telling or describing "for reaching Him the obstacle remover is also Himself only" > >the title for this first padhigam "kaiyaar chakkaraththu" > >- the title or explanation given is this ten songs speak on > >"uNmaiyaana bhakthi illaadhu irukkaiyilum poyyaagap pEsiya > >thamakkup pERu aLiththaan enRu emperumaanadhu pEr aruLaip pEsudhal" > >- "even though I talked lies without having real bhakthi on Him, He graced me" - a talk on this grace. > >In that first verse > > kaiyaar chakkaraththu en karu maaNikkamE ! enRenRu > > poyyE kaimmai sollip puRamE puRamEyaadi > > meyyE peRRu ozhindhEn vidhi vaaykkinRu kaappaar aar? > aiyo ! kaNNa piraan ! aRaiyO ! inip pOnaalE > >this word aiyO is - not the usual word expressing "amangalam" - bad omen or bad luck - but an exclamatory one >- like that "neelamEni aiyO niRai koNdathu en nenjinaiyE" in amalan - by thiru paaN perumaaL. > >kaNNapiraan aRaiyO - oh this krishna has successfully taken me into his fold - the successful person is krishna - I am the defeated - so kannapiraan aRaiyO - >- hereafter ini pOnaalE - where or when I go, why I must care - he is there to save me. > >In previous line mei is there. >mei - means truth, >mei also mean this body >mei peRRu ozhindhEn- means I got this body- then I have to suffer > >aRai has another meaning as room - kaNNa piraan aRaiyO - > >In that bad luck of getting this body, some good luck is also there > I got this room for kaNNa - my body is the resting plce for kaNNa > let any thing happen kaNNa stays here. > >Even just for argument sake if we take arai means slap >- previous line - kaappaar aar - kaNNa piraan aRaiyO >- who is going to save me - if kaNNa is going to slap me for I talked lies - so I got this > > what if - see next paasuram - avan ennaagi ozhinthaan - he has become >one with me. > What more I want? Even though he slapped me then he became one with me. > >Is it so easy to get him? What if even if I get a slap from directly from krishna > >- kidaikkuma avan kai sparsam - can I get his touch on my cheeks - is it so easy. > >So what - let it be also a slap, > >Please ponder over again > >Dhasan > >Vasudevan m.g. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: geetha_rangarajan2000 [SMTP:geetha_rangarajan@xxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 7:25 AM > To: Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [Oppiliappan] Re: Thiruvaimozhi > > Dear shri venkatesan swami > please accept my humble namaskarams. thanks for your note on the thiruvaimozhi pasuram. iam looking forward with intense anticipation to your post on this based on aacharya's upanyasam. thank you once again. > Adiyal geetha > > > > --- In Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, TCA Venkatesan <vtca@xxxx> wrote: > > Sri: > Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: > > > Dear bhAgavatas,> > This interpretation of the word "aRai" > in this pasuram > goes neither with the traditional vyakhyanams nor > with Azhvar's usual mindset/word usage. While Azhvar > has shown "piNakku" with the Lord, I doubt that he has > ever said that he would slap Him or anything like that. > > > > Here is the full pasuram: > > > > kaiyAr cakkaraththu en karumANikkamE ! enRenRu > > poyyE kaimmai sollip puRamE puRamEyAdi > > meyyE peRRozhindhEn vidhivAykkinRu kAppAr Ar? > > aiyo ! kaNNa pirAn ! aRaiyO ! inip pOnAlE > > > I will try to post a little bit about this pasuram > based > on acharya's vyakhyanam later, unless of > course, the learned bhAgavatas who can write with > true understanding of the pasuram post about it. > But a quick note about the word aRai used here. It > is used in the context of "aRai kUvudhal". That is, > Azhvar says that he will let the world know if He > > leaves (after giving him who spoke only lies the > true pERu). > > > adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan > > > > --- geetha_rangarajan2000 <geetha_rangarajan@xxxx> > > wrote: > > > Dear respected members > > > > > please accept my humble namaskarams. while going > through > > > > > > thiruvaimozhi pasurams, i came across 'kai aar > > > chakarathu' (5 the > > > hundred, 1st ten, 1st) which i found very > interesting. > > > This pasuram > > > has been roughly translated by a tamil vidwan in > the book > > > i read > > > as 'after showering your grace on me, if you decide > to > > > leave me i > > > will give you a slap' (araiyo arai). > > > > > > Is the above interpretation correct? How does our > > > sampradayam > > > aacharyas interpret this verse? Can any member > please > > > write more on > > > this interesting pasuram? > > > > > > adiyal > > > geetha > Dear Friends: Eedu vyaakyaanams may differ. Azhwar thiru-ullam will > shine even beyond eedu We have to remember up front that Azhwar paasurangal are for us and it should be in the back of our mind when dealing with these divine works. "naamam Paraankusamo Naaranamo"..Kurungudi Nambi incarnated as Azhwar. Manda buddies (like us) have to approach these blessings through eedu vyaakyaanams and without amplifying the differences between them (we are not qualified to do so) we can enjoy each approach. Following one such tradition we try to understand this paasuram. > My mind always is engaged in acts that will bring material happiness. > Even knowing that Perumal anubhavam is the amrudam I am unable to suppress my desires. Though I have no true bkakthi, I know the art of tricking not only others but Perumal Himself by pretending to be dear to Him. By comparing Him to KaruMaanikkam (Precious stone) and by praising the beautiful Chakrathu Azwar shining in His Hand I act like those Sadus who have real affection for Him. ( How aptly this applies to us! When we go to the temples how many of us are taken aback by the bhakthi exhibited by simple minded - other - people.). Thus believing me Perumal entered into me. He is a SuddhaSatvan. I am made of puncha buthaas..what a surprise that He is inside me. If this is the fate who can change it? Here "vidi"(fate) referes to His kaarunyam. We express our extreme happiness (in spite of my pretension He showered His blessings on me) by calling out "ayyo". By false act I got the real benefit (Poyye solli meyye petrane). The benefit is Bhagavath anubhavam (meyye). > In these 10 paasurams, Azhwar, by obtaining the strength because of His kaarunyam challenges His swaatantriyam. Kanna! realising my false act, are You running away from me? ..."araiyo".....This is an expression we use out of affection in our daily life. We tell our spouse or children that if you don't come back soon you will be punished "adi vizhum". > Dr. K. P. 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