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sRE:

I am just surprised to see the kind of exchanges here.

I had the chance to download bot P.B.A swAmi's commentry
on thiru_nedunthAndagam and also Puttur swAmi's explanation(vivaranam)
on parama karunikarAna periya vAchAn pillai commentry(vyAkyAnam) of
thiru_nedunthAndagam.

>From the vyAkyAnam and vivaranam one can see an aidhihyam(reference to
an incidence).. swami periya nambi did a thanda samarpanam once when
he saw sree bashyakarar going to cauveri for neeratam along with his
sishyas...
(Periya nambi sees the strength and number of  sishya goshti(sishya
smruddhi) of sri bashyakArar and is reminded of alavandar and his
sishya smrudhi instantaneoulsy..

sree bAshyakArA did not stop periya nambi when periya nambi did this
thanda samarpanam.. sre bashyakara did not stop because had he
attempted to stop it would have meant he indeed acknowledged periya
nambi's thanda samarpanam.

While one can analyse what could be the real reason for periya nambi
to do and why sri bashyakara did not stop him it could grow in to
another post(may be chain of posts)let me not do that.

BUT at the same time there is a very important thing to be mentioned
here KAY KOOPI VANAGINALAEY means merely with folded hands she(para
kAla nAyaki) and praised.

First point

Sri Madhava kannan says the following

Refer http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Oppiliappan/message/15907
>>
Kaikooppi ? folded her hands (as if this has helped her significantly)
reverently
vaNanginAL ? she paid her namaskaram.
yE- this is also a marvel? and wonder
>>

Also in the same post sri madhava kannan mentions
>>>
Here it can also be mentioned abot Swamy Desikan refrring himself to
the parrot that was groomed by his maternal uncle and acharyan Swami
appuLLAr. Perhaps Parakala naayaki sees Swamy Desikan here and pays
her obeisance to Vedantha acharyan
>>

While some/many people must be really feeling happy that sri madhava
kannan also mentions the vedantha-acharyan thirunamam for swamid
desikan there seems to some mis-understanding of the sri mAdhava
kannan's post.

when sri madhava kannan says "swamy Desikan here and pays her
obeisance to Vedantha acharyan" he merely means it is paraspara
acknowledgement of a sri-vaishnava and a respect to ones pAndithyam
sri-vaishnavathvam etc and not "sevikardhu" which can be taken as an
offense obviously.

But the reaction to sri madhava kannan's post is very natural and
justifiable because by following sri periya vachan pillais commentry
and the aidhihyam mentioned in that it means kay koopi vanangudhal
means kay koopi thandam samarpithal(falling at feet as in
sevikardhu)though the padha vyAkyAnam doesnt directly mention it.First
it says kay koopi vanaginal(anjaliyum seydhu namaskarithal)

However it further says vananginA"lay" stressing on "ley" (mudhalil
kay koopinal. kili athay poruthu kondavudan kAlil vizhundhAl)

(On a different note the same mindset can also be seen while
commenting on "paraspara hitaishinaam parisareshu maam varthaya" it
was interpreted as doing people doing "thandam samarpithal to each
other...".Though While all sri-vaishnavas do it but the word paraspara
hitaishinaam parisareshu maam varthaya" doesnt mean that)

Extrapolation and stretching of meanings and "adding more" is mere
anubhavam none of us have the right to question our pOrvAchAryas
intention or vyAkyAnam even though a direct meaning and the commentry
seem to be slightly different.

This is exactly called as "anubhavam". As sri aravindalochanan said as
long as the adnubhavam is not sAsthra virodham or poorvacharya
abavAdham it is okay to take them all with a pinch of salt. :)

>>

Second point

Sri madhava kannan said in the post that
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Oppiliappan/message/15918

>>
PoigaiAzhwAr was the first AzhwAr avathaaram (Aippasi ThiruvONam) >>
and Swami Desika was last AchArya avathaaram (Puraataasi ThiruvONam).

If we count from Aippasi, Purattaasi is the last month. This shows
that it is only good that is going to happen to all because of them
"eppaalaikkum SemaathhE"ThiruvONam).

>>

I also dont see any issues here because for some/many swami desikan is
an achArya ONLY in sri-bAshya paramparai.

But for others who donot fall in the above one portion of sri
bashyakarar's sampradhAyam swAmi desikan is a porvachArya for almost
everything and comes in both samAsrayanam and kalakshepa paramparai.

(for ahobila mutt sishyas swami desikan is not in samasrayana acharya
paramparai though).

So when sri madhava kannan says the first aazhwar is poigai and the
last acharya is swami desikan it is perfect because he considers the
fact that sri manavala mamunigal is not samasrayana or kalakshepa
acharya for him and people like him.(This is not an apachAram for
swami mana-vaala mamunigal)

When some says Swami manavala mamuni is one of the most revered
achArya of sri vaishnava sampradhaya like swami desikan it DOESNT mean
swami manavAla comes in achArya lineage/paramparai for samasrayanama
kalakshepam etc for all.

The same thing could be applied BUT only partially for swAmi desikan
as swAmi desikan falls in sree bashya kalakshepa achArya paramparai
FOR ALL sri-vaishnavas.

So whatever opposition we see for sri madhava kananns post.. I
sincerely hope is not is what I want to see as a reason.

dAsanu dAsan
venkatrAghava dAsan



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