THE DIALOGUE BETWEN
EMPERUMAN AND THIURMANGAI AZVAR
mAtRam vuLa-SETRAm vuLa -Agilum
solluvan
Azvar when comparing himself with examples
which indiate his precarious predicament, commences this final thirumozhi as
mATRamuLa and again the
second pAsuram
SeTramuLa
and
suffixes this by
Agilum
solluvan.
mATRam
vuLa
What does AzAr says
The Atman is a joyous one at paramapadham
being inetertwined with the Lord. Notwithstanding this, this Atman is immersed
in this samsAram.
EmperumAn: This is due to two basic
factors
one, the indifferent attitude of the
Atman. LIke, i will not see or think of Him.
Two, the effects of kArmam and cumulative
results of the pApam and puNyam.
AGilum
solluvan
AzvAr: The indifferent attitude is linked
with the mind. This mind can be cleansed by the Grace of the Lord -maruvith
thozhum manamEa thandhAi.
The second factor being kArmic effects is
based on the actions of Atman.These actions indeed moot these effects.However,
does not YOur grace capable of obliterating these effects? EmperumAn is
the owner of this ATman and logically is it not His look out to see that the
Atman does not devitate from His path?
EmpeurmAn then questions the need for
giving the physiques and knowledge? and AzvaR replies with the same logic. This
goes on and that is why kaliyan mentions
mATRamuLa Agilum solluvan
11-8-1;
Sri Periya vAchAn
piLLai's analysis: On what basis both argued.
EmperumAn based His arguments on karmam.AzvAr disproved it by talking of
Brahmam.
EmperumAn based His arguments on vEDham. AzvAr aruged based on vEDhAntha
thAthparyam.
EmperumAn based His arguments on Atma svarUpam.AzvAr dissipated this by argument based
on
svarUpayAthAthmayam.
EmperumAn based His
arguments parathanthryam and sAthYopAyam.
AzvAr destroyed this
with sithOpAya arguement.
IDHU KANUM UPASAKARIL KATTIL PRABANNANUKKU
YEatRam.
SETRamuLa: EmperumAn points out that the various
mistakes of jEvan and this has resulted in
sustained presence in this world. Ignoring
this should AZvAr bring forth the arguing as if
keeping the Atman-s in this world is
EmperumAn's mistake.
Agilum
solluvan: No.The regret for having still being kept in this world is
not because of
not admitting the blunders but because of
non-pardoning these blunders.
What can be the blunders which can make
even the kAruNayanA sarvEsvaran angry
bhagath-bhAgavatha
apachAram.
That is why kaliyan
mentions
SETRam vuLa -Agilum
seppuvan
Does this not sound similar
to
the dialogue of SvAmi nam
azvaR
'inRennai poruL Akki thannadhu ennuL vaithAi' 10-8
ThiruvAimozhi avathArikai Edu.
dasan
vanamamalai
padmanabhan
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