Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Dear TCA Venkatesh, What Sri TCA Srinivasa Ramanujan says is correct according to SVB 148 and 149. This, of course, is based on my understanding of SVB. SVB 148: krpaiyAlE varum pArathanthriyaththiR kAttil, swAthanthryath- thAlE varum pArathanthryam prabalam. SVB 149: ivvarththaththai vEdhapuruShan apEkshiththAn. SVB 148: Although one of Lord's traits is unlimited independence,He longs to serve His devotees and loves to be ruled by them. His dependence(pArathanthryam)on devotees,can arise out of two causes namely,His "compassion" for those who surrender to Him or His own free will(swAthanthryam),whereby He showers His unconditional grace on the subjects of His choice,whether "deserving or not". According to Sri PiLLai lOkAcAryAr,the latter is superior to the former. Because when "swAthanthryam" predominates the former "krpa" can get nullified! The Lord's dependence of the second variety(stems from swAthanthryam) however,goes on uniterruptedly with no counteracting influence. SVB 149: This is said in MuNdakOpaniShad and kaTOpaniShad: The paramAtmA is not attainable by the AtmA(individual soul) through mere meditation and deep learning;on the other hand He reveals Himself,in all His splendour,to the subjects of His choice. Did not SriRama court,on His own,guha without caring about the latter's solicitude? > It also appears that while He is independent in > general, He listens to Thayar in allowing His > grace to flow and give salvation to those whom She > recommends. Being this the case, our conduct should > be such that Thayar will plead to Him on our behalf. With respect to conduct I doubt your statements. Why? KAkAsuran/ Jayantha,gave physical pain to thAyAr,and when PerumAL used brahmAsthram,kAkAsuran went to everybody and finally got tired(I don't think kAkAsuran did prapatti!)of flying and fell,that too wrongly. KAkAsuran's head was facing thAyAr and feet was facing PerumAL. She,as the "daya" aspect of perumAL,considering that "fall as prapatti", changes the direction of kAkAsuran thereby telling Him,that the subject has surrendered to Him and this is the best time for the Lord to show His kalyANa guNAs. In both the variety of dependence there is a mediation of Sri but our conduct does not play any role here. Conduct in thAyAr's and PerumAL's defn is different from that of ours. This is my understanding and please correct if I'm wrong. > In either case, it appears that one cannot simply > sit around and do nothing saying that there is > nothing to do. ??? SVB 80.81.82 talks about Sita/pirAtti,draupadi and thirukkaNNa- mangai ANdAn. SVB 82: pirAtti svasakthiyai vittAL;dhraupadhi lajjaiyai vittAL; thirukkaNNamangai ANdAn svavyApAraththai vittAn. ThirukkaNNamangai ANdAn gave up all his personal activities,reduced himself to the abject position of the dog crouching in a kennel. This was after thirukkaNNamangai ANdAn witnessed the dog owner(a frail human being) giving up his own life for the sake of his pet dog and thirukkaNNamangai ANdAn realised how much the omni-potent Lord would do to save the jIvAtmA. He placed himslf in the position of the dog,and substituted the omni-potent Lord for the owner of the dog. AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam NC Nappinnai
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