Dear Sri Vishnu, It is true that ahankAram in general, has to be given up. But the concept of sAtvika ahankAram is totally different. For instance, we have 'aham' in "aham brahmOsmi (sOham)" and in "dAsOham" there is a wide difference between the two. //When you are attributing something to PerumAL's krpA, that cannot be termed ahankAram.// Anything we achieve is due to bhagavat krupai. But the realisation obtained by the Srivaishnavas (again due to his nirheduka krupai only) gives them a pride of being a Srivaishnava close to emperuman's heart. We have to cherish the relationship with the lord else even the lord will get bored with his leelas. So infront of Non-Srivaishnavas we have to lift our heads and be proud to be a SriVaishnava. //The very purpose of the concept of nirhEtuka krpA is to root out any trace of ahankAram from the heart of the devotee as said in "nIr numadhennivai... " pASuram (ThiruvAimozhi 1.2.3).// "Neer numadhu endrivai vErmudal mAiththu" is a beautiful paasuram that indicates that our ahankAram and mamakaram has to be shed in case of lowkika affairs. It has no connection with bhagavan or bhagavat vishayam. Else we will not call periya perumal as 'Nam-perumal', Azhvar as 'Nam- Azhvar', 'Nam-Jeeyer' and 'Nam-pillai'. Don't we all cherish calling nam swamy udaiyavar as "em-perumAnAr". Why have our poorvacharyas preferred these thirunAmams? Madurakavi azhvar says, "ten kurugoor nambi endrakkAl annikkum amudoorum en nAvukkE" Madurakavi azhvar doesnt just say nAvukkE instead he says en nAvukkE Why because he feels proud to possess such a tongue which cherishes reciting thiruvaimozhi. Though azhvars and acharyas do not claim that they have done anything great or they are superior they do possess the pride of being a Srivaishnavite being close to emperuman and his devotees. That pride is only termed as "sAtvika ahankAram". This will never affect anyone. When it comes to other Srivaishnavas they show their nAichyam/humility but in front of non-Srivaishnavas they never bow their heads ("marandhum puram thozhA mAndhar") The pride does not lie in Azhvar being able to visualise emperuman since that has been possible only due to his unconditional grace but surely there is a pride in being choosen by emperuman to bless him with his divine darshan. If even then one remains like a stone or wood then it means that he hasn't understood the greatness of what he has achieved. When embar says, "ethirAjar vadivazhaghu en edhayaththuladAl ellai enakkedir ellai ennakedir ellai ennakedirE!" He shows his pride of possessing swamy emperumAnAr inside his heart. EMperumAnAr has all the divya desa emperumAns inside his heart. Let us get to our memory the words of thiruvarangaththamudhanar at this point, "eruppidam vaikundam vEnkadam mAlirunchOlai ennum poruppidam mAyanukkenbar nallOr avaithannodum vandiruppidam mAyan erAmAnusan manaththu endravan vandhiruppidam endhan edhayaththullE thanakkinbhuravE" Again the same amudhanAr says, "ennaruvinaiyin tiram seRRiravum pagalum vidAdhu enthan sindhaiyullE niraindhopparavirundhAn 'enakkArum nigarillaiyE' what does amudhanar show by saying no one is equal to me? This is only called as sAtvika ahankaram in our sampradayam. The pride has not arised due to any of amudhanAr's greatness but it has arised due to the existance of swamy emperumAnAr inside his mind always. So this pride is harmless and welcomed by Srivaishnavas. Being filled with sAtvika ahankAram will never shatter our humbleness. Only a true Srivaishnava who knows the greatness of bhagavan and bhagavatas will be proud to be one among the Srivaishnava community. So he will be atmost humble to all bhagavatas and will never dare to do a bhagavat/bhAgavata apacharam. Only when one feels esteemed to be a Srivaishnava will he try to get all others struggling in this world of samsAram to this fold. While doing a kainkaryam we should not think that we are doing it or it is for our pleasure. But we should realise that the kainkaryam has been blessed to us by the supreme lord though we are not eligible for the same ("porulallAdha ennai porulAkki adimai kondAi"). A Srivaishnava cherishes doing more and more of kainkaryams to the lord and bhAgavatas. The very thought of he being a Srivaishnava instigates him to do more and more of Kainkaryam. Since the pride of Srivaishnava lies in doing kainkaryam and making the lord and the bhagavatas happy. A true Srivaishnava, considers all the jeevatmas to be part of emperuman and hence if he sees anyone (even an animal) in sorrow he feels for them and tries to help them in some manner. A Srivaishnavite never enjoys emperuman and bhagavat vishayam in solace but cherishes enjoying along with everyone "koodiyirundhu kulirindhElOr" All these feelings arise in him only because he has the feeling of being a Srivaishnavite. Thirumazhisai azhvar declares, "tErunkAl dEvan oruvanE endruraippar Arum ariyAr avan perumai" that no one knows the greatness of emperuman like azhvar does but does this pride in azhvar stop him from reaching common folks like us through his sweet paasurams? Does this sAtvikka ahankaram in any way stop azhvar from doing his kainkaryam to bhagavan and bhagavatas? As you have said humility is different from inferiority complex and similarly there is a lot of difference between sAtvikka ahankaram and superiority complex (or common ego and pride) Azhvar emperumAnAr Jeeyer thiruvadigalE sharaNam Adiyen ramanuja dAsee Sumithra Varadarajan ----- Original Message ----- From: Vishnu To: ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 10:16 PM Subject: [ramanuja] Re: Digest Number 856 --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Sumithra Varadarajan" <Sumivaradan@xxxx> wrote: > Srimathe ramanujaya Namaha > > Dear Smt Sumithra, The word sAttvika ahankAram is self-contradicting. Similarly ahankAram and nirhEtuka krpA are mutually exclusive. ahankAram is something due to which you attribute something great to yourself in terms of your qualities, achievements etc. > Sure. our poorvacharyas have strongly said sAtvika ahankaram is a >welcoming factor for any Sri Vaishnava. Refer Nanmugan >thiruvandhAdhi paasuram-3 where thirumazhisai azhvar says, "pAlil >kidandhadhuvum pandarangam mEyadhuvum Alil tuyindradhuvum ArarivAr- >jnAlath oru porulai vAnavar tham mei porulai appilai aruporulai yAn >arindha vAru" These are the words of azhvar that arised out of >sAtvika ahankaram(There are many such paasurams to quote). He says >that no one knows about the emperuman like him. Is it right on >azhvar's part? Sri periavachan pillai answers, "avan kAttak kaNda >nAnaRindha padi svayathnaththAl kANbArkku ariyappOgAdhu" So it is >due to his grace that azhvar has come to know about the paratva >sowlabhya gunas of emperuman whereas the rest on trying with their >own effort to know the same. So is there not a difference in the >two? Also AzhwArs and other AchAryas do not intend to say something great about themselves. AzhwArs have sung only to share their anubhavams with others and give them confidence (thoNdarkkamudhuNNacchonmAlaihaL SonnEn - ThiruvAimozhi). They do not claim they have sung on their own since they are conceptually against jIva swAtantryam (thannaitthAn pAdi thennAvennnum ennammAn - ThiruvAimozhi). >(kAttavE kanda pAda kamalam nallAdai undi tEttarum vudharabhandam >thiru mArbu kandam sevvAi vAttamil kaNgal mEni muniyEri tanikidandhu >pAttinAl vAzhum pAnar thAl paravinOmE) So being proud having seen >emperuman due to his nirheduka krupai is acceptable to any >Srivaishnava. > > Another type of Satvika ahankaram, is that pride which arises due >to being a disciple of our acharya. See embar >declaring, "eppozhudum ethirAjar vadivazhagu en >edhayaththuladAl >ellai enakkedir ellai enakkedir ellai >ennakkedirE!" See Mamunigal >while talking about the great >vadivazhagu of thirumangai mannan in >thiruvali-thirunagari finally >completes saying, "nindra endha >nilamai en kannai vittu agandridAdu >kaliyan Anai AnaiyE!" This is being discussed in a parallel mail. What do the AchAryas convey? > > So we Srivaishnavas should surely be filled with pride that we >are "His devotees" shisyas of our "revered acharya" and "close to >all our azhvars and acharyas and all Srivaishnavas" What other >wealth can we all possess more than the srivaishnava sri/Kainkarya >Sri? One can be humble and confident but certainly not proud. One cannot be simultaneously proud and close to all Srivaishnavas. Our humility only will make us close to them. The very thought that I am doing this kainkaryam (ahankAram) and such a kainkarya SrI is my wealth (mamakAram) are the worst enemies to our nature says SrI Bhattar (prabalatara virOdhi). The kainkaryam shall be performed with the thought that He has ordained it and out of love for Him. Ultimately, it is bhAgavata kanikaryam which we have to do in the material world. What kainkaryam can be expected from an ahambhAvI? Also how a person proud of being a Srivaishnava can reach out to those who are not? >Shouldnt we be proud of the same else it is like being born to >a >king and considering ourselves to be paupers. It is not an insult >to us but to our leader, Sriman Narayanan. there is a difference between humility and inferiority complex. In our vEdic culture, vinayam (humility) has to grow with vidyA. One need not be a SrIvaishNava to know this. > > Azhvar emperumAnAr Jeeyer thiruvadigalE sharaNam > Adiyen ramanuja dAsan Vishnu azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 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