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 SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA;
APPAN THIRUVADIGALE SARANAM.

Dear Sri.Rushikesa Madhava and Srivaishnavas,
Accept my pranams.

Sri RM has raised some questions and doubts on sensitive issue. Adiyen 
will try to explain to the extent possible as far as my knowledge guides me.



1. Questions regarding GuruParampara 6000 and 3000.
========================================================================================================
 
It is a well known fact that GPP 6000 is followed by Thenacharya Sampradhyam 
and GPP 3000 by Desika sampradhayam. Adiyen belong to Thenacharya sampradhyam 
and have not gone through GPP 3000. So, Adiyen will refrain from commenting
upon GPP 3000. Still, as the questions relate to Acharya Sri Manavala 
mamunigal, Adiyen venture to enter into this diffficult task. It is pointedout 
in the question that Sri Manavala mamunigal has upheld the DEsika Sampradhaya 
as a sat one and has instructed his follwers to follow it. 

Is it not strange that Sri Manavala mamunigal who was ordered by his mentor
Thiruvaimozhi pillai to dwell on Baghavat vishyam alone should have issued such 
instructions to his followers? Again, let us see Upadesratnamalai,
his work, a concise GPP 6000.

Sloka35:
Azhvarkalaiyum, Arulicheyalkalaiyum, thazvaga ninaippavarkal tham, 
naragil veezhvarkal enre ninaithu Nenje, Eppozhuthum Nee yavarpal, 
chenranuka koosithiri.

Sloka38:
'EMPERMANAR DHARSANAMENRE ITHARKU, NAMPERUMAL PERITTU NATTIVAITHAR....."

>From Sloka 39 onwards he lists the line of Acharys who have 
nurtured Baghavat Vishyam as a treasure.

Sloka67: 
ACHARIYARKAL, ANAIVARUM MUNNACHARITHA, ACHARM THANNAI ARIYATHAR,
PESUKINRA VAARTHIAKALAI KETTU, MARULATHE, 
POORUVARKAL CHEERTHA NILAI THANNAI NENJEE CHER.

Sloka68: 
NATHIKARUM NARKALAIYIN, NANNERICHERTHIKARUM 
AATHIKANATHIKARUMAMIVARAI, 
OORTHU NENJE MUNNAVARUM PINNAVARUM, MOORKARENA VITTU, 
NADU CHONNAVARAI NAALUM THODAR.

Sloka71: 
MUNNOR MOZHINTHA, MURAI THPPAMAL KETTU, 
PINNORNTHU THAMATHANAIP PESATHE,
THANNENJIL THORRINATHE SOLLI, ITHU SUDDHA UPADESAVARAVARRETHENBER
MOORKAR AVVAAR.

Sriman Rushikeasa Madhava Swamin,Adiyen have done my job of pointingout the
instructions given by Sri Manavala mamunigal, as we believe. Now, it is upto
you to draw conclusions.


2. Doubts regarding Athivan Satagopa Jeeyar.
=======================================================================================This
 famous Jeeyar and his fore fathers belong to line of sishyas of 
Vadakku thiruveedhi pillai. Adiyen is not able to understand the logic
behind the argument " Thus Srimad Athivan satagopa jeeyar is the first acharya
to merge the two great branches into a single line of acharyas." since he 
studied Sri Bhashya and other rahasyas from GhatikaSATHAM aMMAL. Well, 
Sri Manavalamamunigal studied Sri Bhashyam from Kidamabi Nayanar of 
Sree Bhashaya paramparai. Why he should not be considered as the first Acharyan 
of bringing 2 branches into one? You yourself can ponder over this point. 

Sri Parthasarathy Dileepan has also rquested to refrain from initiating polemic 
arguments. This point also may be considered.

Regarding Sreevachanbhooshanam and AcharyaHrudhayam.
These two works of Thennacharya Sampradhya are difficult one to understandand 
to grasp by simple reading. A strong foundation of Srivaishnava knowledge and 
an able guidance by well learned Thennacharya are necessary. Otherwise,
stumbling over wrong conclusions are propable. They teach the essence of 
Srivaishanava sampradhya as seen by Thennacharyas. 
So, Adiyen do not want to enter into this area.

Let Adiyen conclude with a simple logic.
===============================================================================Emperuman,
 Sriman Narayanan, all powerful,no equal or no superior, needlessto 
say, has created all Chetanas, Achethanas. The purpose of his creation is a
Leela, recreation for him. All the chethanas shoud join him in Paramapadam and 
worship him just like Nityasuris. Unfortunately, Chethanas have fallen preyto 
worldly pleasures and are adamant in remaining in the world for ever. To attain 
material benefits, our effort is essential. Surely, we have to undergo the 
reactions. But, to reach HIM once for all, He is the ONE to decide. To redeem 
the chethanas, he has prescribed Sastras which are foot steps to understandHIM 
and to create a desire in Chetanas to attain him and to make IT still 
deeper... insuch a fashion, once for all to quit the world (samsara) and join 
him. HE is the creator and can do as he please. So, other means in any formare 
only some sort of help. BUT, HE ALONE CAN GRANT MOKSHA OR PARAMAPADA FOR those 
Who want ONLY HIM. ALL THOUGHTS, ACTIONS ARE FOR HIM, BY HIM ( AHAMANNAM 
AHAMNNAM ...AHAMNNATHO...). ( VARIKONDU UNNAI VIZHUNGUVAN KANILENRU AARVURRA 
ENNAI OZHIYA ENNIN MUNNAM PAARITHU ENNAI MURRA 
PARUGINAN,,,...Thirvaimozhi.9,6,9). The consciousness of self totally goes 
away and EMPERUMAN PERVADES THE CEHETHANA INTOTO. 

THIS IS THE CRUX OF THENNACHARYA SAMPRADHYA. 

Adiyen hopes to some extent, we have cleared the doubts of 
Sri Rushikesa Madhava.

Adiyen Ramanuja dasan T.Parthasarathy. 
On Wed, 15 May 2002 Rushikesa Madhava wrote :
>I would like to get the truth about these issues,
>Q1:
>Is it true that Manavalamamunigal asked all to follow
>desika sampradaya as is claimed in GPP3000 (as in this mail)
>
>Q2: Is it true that Lord of Srirangam order as:
>A: "we will not desire listening to anything else,
>but only Desika prabhandam"
>
>B: "no one after Vedanta desikan must be installed as
>'archa' and offered mariyadai in our sannidhi."
>
>Q3: Why is GPP3000 so different than GPP6000.
>Why are they very much against each other?
>
>There are so many issues in the mail, please read and clarify.
>If these are true, What is a devotee to accept.
>





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