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srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha
srImadh varavara munayE namaha

Dear Members,

A wonderful posting! Please read through Smt Geetha's posting completely. I
am happy that there are persons who can raise their voice when a sacrilege
is done. As Smt Geetha had said in her mail, even I was trying to gather
information and have sent a copy of this message from Sri Dileepan to Sri
Puttur Krishnaswamy Iyengar of Sri Vaishnava Sudarsanam fame. No one needs
an introduction of him as he is the present day doyen of our sampradhAyam
and the numerous articles and books published by him regarding the false
proclamations made are still to be answered convincingly.

While I could have refuted the postings regarding the prapatti and the
varNAsrama dharma, Sri Vacchana bhooshaNam and AchArya hrudhayam, very
clearly and deliberately misinterpreted, I wanted to take the opinion of a
scholarly person who has devoted his life to this. Again I am planning to
disturb two very busy persons, Sri Velukkudi swamy and Sri M.A
Venkatakrishnan swamy to get their advise also on this. I will post about
this shortly.

However, I would just like to add to what Smt Geetha had written based on
my limited knowledge.





=====Quote 1============
What is "Desika SampradAyam"?
(i) Why should MaNavALa mAmunigaL instruct people to follow the above
sampradAyam when there were so many great acharyas prior to desikan
esp RAmAnujA?


(ii)There is absolutely no logic in it(if GPP3000 says so!).

(iii)It's like saying: A man(fool)gives credit(for his existence) to
every damn soul on earth with the exception of his own mother from
whose womb he came. That mother is "RAmAnujA". WHere is the question
of "Desika sampradAyam"?

(iv)People with half(and less than half)baked knowledge will twist
and turn the story to suit their whims and fancies.
==========End Quote 1==========================

Very very valid questions. Add to it the following. If Swamy Desikan would
really have advocated this, then he should have done vyAkhyAnams only for
Swamy Desikan's Sri Sookthis and not for Sri Vachana BhooshaNam or AchArya
Hrudhayam, which clearly refutes the vadakalai view point. There is no way
one can say that he wrote all things and then realized that the Desika
SampradhAyam is the correct but due to non-availability of time he did not
do it, for, it is a well known fact that even during his "anthima" days, he
used to sit down and write the AchArya hrudhayam vyAkhyAnam and when
questioned by his sishyAs, as to why he was troubling himself, he said that
"I am writing this for your grandchildren to be benefitted not for me". So
it is clear that until his last breath he was only holding the views of Sri
Ramanuja and expounded by embAr, bhaTTar, nanjeeyar, nampiLLai,
periyavAcchAn piLLai, vadakkuth thiruveedhip piLLai, piLLai
lOkAchAryar/azhagiya maNavALa perumAL nAyanAr and thiruvAimozhippiLLai as
dearest to his heart.

Also in his upadEsaratthinamAlai, nowhere he has mentioned about Swamy
dEsikan. One may say that he had glorified only those AchAryAs who were
instrumental in propagation of ThiruvAimozhi, but I am sure a person would
have certainly included an AchAryA without any doubt, whether he has
commented on ThiruvAimozhi or not, if that person asks everybody to follow
the sampradhAyam of that AchAryA. Isn't it? Common sense and logic. Again
if according to those spurious accounts, if Sri maNavALa mAmuni would have
asked everyone to follow Sri Desikan's sampradhAyam, out of utmost respect,
then he would have composed atleast a "dEsika dasakam" if not "vimsathi".
All of you know that there is nothing like this. So how is it possible that
Sri maNavALa mAmuni would have advocated this.

Well these are all considering and accepting that Swami dEsikan followed a
completely different sampradhAyam other than the thennAchArya sampradhAyam.
But in one of the earlier postings I had clearly shown, how, Swamy dEsikan
supports only the thennAchArya sampradhAyam, through the slOka, "swAmin!,
swasEsham..." and the avatharikai for the "munivAhana bhOgam" where in he
clearly states that "kAraNa vasthu innadhendRu aRudhiyidamudiyAtha
krupaiyinAlE", speaking clearly about the nirhEtuka krupA of emberumAn.

Now if one accepts that swAmy dEsikan was advocating only thennAchAryA
sampradhAyam, then there is no wonder, Sri maNavALa mAmunigAL was asking
everyone to follow what Sri Desikan have said.

====Quote 2=======
These are all concocted(cooked up)stories. I will be very happy to
have a copy of GPP3000 and see what's in there! Infact in one site(I
don't remember the site,and I'm going to trace and get back to the
author)it said,Tirumalai Chakravarthy was a disciple of Swami
Desikan. I can swear that Tirumalai Nallan Chakravarthy was a
contemporary of Sri RAmAnujA.

Infact I will not at all be surprised if GPP3000(after some time)
claims that "RAmAnujA as a disciple of Swami Desikan". In the eyes of
Quantum Mechanics one can go backwards in Time to tackle
the "histories"(and also change the history). So there are people who
even manipulate the History(and re-write it to suit their own wild
imagination!).
=====End quote 2======

Very correct observation! Yes, Thirumalai Nallan Chakravarthy was a sishyA
of Ramanuja and is said to have converted even some hunters into Sri
Vaishnavaites. These hunters were the ones who helped our Sri Ramanuja when
he was in exile due to the atrocities commited by the KrimikanTa chOlan. On
seeing their bhakthi when Sri Ramanuja asked them as to who taught them all
these things, they replied that it was their AchArya by name Thirumalai
nallAn, for which Sri Ramanuja said "nallAn enRa kALamEgham ippadi
varshikkiradhE" (The dark cloud named 'nallAn' is pouring the grace and the
bhakthi in a great manner so that everyone is benefitted). So undoubtedly
Sri Thirumalai Nallan Chakravarthy is a sishyA of Sri Ramanujar and not Sri
Desikar.

Finally regarding Sri Ramanujar not commenting on Divya prabhandams are
indeed due to the fact that, through out his life he was only arguing
against the advaitis who are really masters of contradicting statements. I
have explained this in my earlier posting on the Sapthagiri magazine
blasphemy. Please read through that. However, Smt Geetha has echoed the
same thoughts that I had written there and I am sure there can be no second
thoughts to this.

Having said all the above I would also like to request all the members to
read through the postings of Sri Thirunarayanan Parthasarathy swamy who was
to have posted the first rebuttal to it in a very very diplomatic manner.
Read it in tandem with Smt Geetha's posting. Most of the "concoctions" will
come to light clearly. As said, once I get a response from Sri Puttur
Swamy, Sri Velukkudi swamy and Sri MAV swamy, I will post them too in the
list.

AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam
adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan
Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh















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