sri: Dear Devotees: Please accept adiyEN's humble pranams. Sri Vikram, these days normally, adiyen stays away from discussions as there is so much to learn and experience by HIS grace, your mail got me going on my thought process. You Wrote: :> Lipner, also upholds the view that sudras will have to wait :> additional lifetimes to get moksham. Vedic knowledge is an ABSOLUTE THIS IS NOT TRUE, As PER SRI RAMANUJA and his works, please read Sri Saranagathy Gadya by Sri Ramanuja (with exaplnations) ALL LIVING BEINGS (NOT JUST HUMANS) are allowed moksha regardless their caste, creed or specie. :> Also, prapatti was a concept developed fully by later Vaishnavas--not :> Acarya Ramanuja himself. His Gita exegesis states nowhere that sudras :> can get moksham in this lifetime. The way out of it is (perhaps) to No No You got that wrong, Yes Acharya Ramanuja had the concept of Saranagahty foully documented and showed us how to, by HIS grace and sambhandam(relationship) only we are all able to go to moksha today. You are confusing, Bharanyasam as a seperate procedure, (apart from surrender, Samashreyanam) has not been detailed by ramanuja or practiced by his immediate disciples (This is not the same as surrender), Surrender (saranagathy) (is open to all beings, at any time that the being is ready, through a qualified acharyan) Sri Bhashya was written for the VEDIC educated elite, (are any of us in that category today to understand this fully as intended) ======================================================= All the above is my personal opinion only, learned scholars may want to add their points and correct adiyen where appropriate, adiyEN Ramanuja Dasan Mukundan V. Pattangi www.radioramanuja.com
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